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Calm 18 00:00:58,880 --> 00:01:00,560 Speaker 1: your Mind, Change your life. 19 00:01:01,040 --> 00:01:03,640 Speaker 2: My whole life now revolves around what I've achieved on 20 00:01:03,680 --> 00:01:05,320 Speaker 2: the court. But then if I could do it again, 21 00:01:05,319 --> 00:01:07,479 Speaker 2: I wouldn't ever want to pick up a racket it's one. 22 00:01:07,400 --> 00:01:09,559 Speaker 1: Of the greatest players in the world, winner of seven 23 00:01:09,640 --> 00:01:11,720 Speaker 1: Tour singles title they carry us. 24 00:01:11,760 --> 00:01:14,040 Speaker 2: I literally wanted to end my life and now I'm 25 00:01:14,040 --> 00:01:18,679 Speaker 2: just here and enjoying it, so everything is just it's 26 00:01:18,680 --> 00:01:23,040 Speaker 2: all a bonus. 27 00:01:25,720 --> 00:01:28,400 Speaker 1: Before we jump into this episode, I'd like to invite 28 00:01:28,400 --> 00:01:31,520 Speaker 1: you to join this community to hear more interviews that 29 00:01:31,600 --> 00:01:35,399 Speaker 1: will help you become happier, healthier, and more healed. 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I am so grateful 40 00:02:02,560 --> 00:02:04,160 Speaker 1: to each and every one of you that come back 41 00:02:04,240 --> 00:02:07,440 Speaker 1: every week to listen, learn and grow. And you know 42 00:02:07,480 --> 00:02:10,640 Speaker 1: that ever since I was a teenager, I've been captivated 43 00:02:11,000 --> 00:02:16,400 Speaker 1: by people's stories and journeys. I'm fascinated by decisions people make, 44 00:02:16,760 --> 00:02:20,760 Speaker 1: their personalities, their psychology, and today's guest is someone that 45 00:02:20,800 --> 00:02:24,120 Speaker 1: I've been admiring from Afar for such a long time, 46 00:02:24,160 --> 00:02:26,520 Speaker 1: and so to have him in the studio today is 47 00:02:26,560 --> 00:02:29,560 Speaker 1: a true honor and true joy. I love diving into 48 00:02:29,600 --> 00:02:33,880 Speaker 1: the minds of people that define culture, divide culture, direct 49 00:02:33,960 --> 00:02:37,880 Speaker 1: us in different ways, surprise us, and give us the unexpected, 50 00:02:38,120 --> 00:02:40,680 Speaker 1: and today's guest has been doing that ever since his 51 00:02:40,800 --> 00:02:44,480 Speaker 1: career began. I'm talking about the one and only Nick Currios, 52 00:02:44,520 --> 00:02:47,640 Speaker 1: who burst onto the pro tennis scene in twenty twelve 53 00:02:47,880 --> 00:02:51,880 Speaker 1: after a prolific junior tennis career. Since Nick's start, he 54 00:02:51,960 --> 00:02:56,200 Speaker 1: has captivated fans with a larger than life personality, passion 55 00:02:56,240 --> 00:03:00,720 Speaker 1: for the game, and unpredictability. Nick electrifies a tour with 56 00:03:00,880 --> 00:03:05,760 Speaker 1: his near unstoppable serve and powerful forehand. Nick has won 57 00:03:05,919 --> 00:03:09,519 Speaker 1: seven singles titles and four doubles titles in his career, 58 00:03:09,880 --> 00:03:12,799 Speaker 1: but twenty twenty two mark the first time Nick displayed 59 00:03:12,840 --> 00:03:16,320 Speaker 1: his dominance, making it to his first Grand Slam final, 60 00:03:16,600 --> 00:03:20,480 Speaker 1: winning three singles titles and three doubles titles. Welcome to 61 00:03:20,520 --> 00:03:21,840 Speaker 1: the show, Nick, krrious. 62 00:03:21,919 --> 00:03:22,880 Speaker 2: Nick, what an intro. 63 00:03:23,240 --> 00:03:24,920 Speaker 1: So you had to live it, man, you had to 64 00:03:24,960 --> 00:03:26,639 Speaker 1: do it. I like that. I like, that's probably the 65 00:03:26,639 --> 00:03:29,120 Speaker 1: best intro I've ever had. Really, Oh, that means the 66 00:03:29,120 --> 00:03:31,200 Speaker 1: world to me, Like that, I appreciate that you. 67 00:03:31,960 --> 00:03:33,000 Speaker 2: I'm really glad to be here. 68 00:03:33,040 --> 00:03:34,800 Speaker 1: I was excited. I appreciate them, And when we were 69 00:03:34,800 --> 00:03:37,400 Speaker 1: messaging back and forth for the past couple of weeks, 70 00:03:38,000 --> 00:03:40,080 Speaker 1: I was really looking forward to this because, as I 71 00:03:40,120 --> 00:03:44,480 Speaker 1: was saying to you earlier, I don't love rules myself, 72 00:03:44,560 --> 00:03:46,280 Speaker 1: and people don't often see me as that. I think 73 00:03:46,320 --> 00:03:48,800 Speaker 1: people see me as someone who follows the rules and 74 00:03:48,960 --> 00:03:52,440 Speaker 1: is thoughtful and mindful, and I actually feel that my 75 00:03:52,640 --> 00:03:54,760 Speaker 1: entire career I've had to go against the trend and 76 00:03:54,800 --> 00:03:57,760 Speaker 1: against the grain, and watching you do it has been 77 00:03:57,760 --> 00:04:01,680 Speaker 1: really exciting and fascinating and sometimes it can be uncomfortable 78 00:04:01,720 --> 00:04:04,040 Speaker 1: to what's that as well? But today we get to 79 00:04:04,600 --> 00:04:07,080 Speaker 1: pull back, we get yeah, we get to dive in. 80 00:04:07,240 --> 00:04:09,360 Speaker 1: So I wanted to start off There's so many things 81 00:04:09,360 --> 00:04:10,880 Speaker 1: I want to talk about. What I'll start off with 82 00:04:11,160 --> 00:04:15,600 Speaker 1: is externally, You've had what looks like a love hate 83 00:04:15,640 --> 00:04:19,640 Speaker 1: relationship with tennis, and at this point you're injured, you've 84 00:04:19,640 --> 00:04:24,159 Speaker 1: been away from the game. I'm intrigued to understand. How 85 00:04:24,279 --> 00:04:27,240 Speaker 1: is your relationship with the game changed when you haven't 86 00:04:27,240 --> 00:04:28,239 Speaker 1: been able to play yet. 87 00:04:28,279 --> 00:04:29,560 Speaker 2: This is a tough one for me because when I 88 00:04:29,560 --> 00:04:31,720 Speaker 2: step away from the sport for so long, I actually 89 00:04:31,760 --> 00:04:33,680 Speaker 2: don't miss it. So that's scary for me. You know, 90 00:04:33,839 --> 00:04:35,880 Speaker 2: most athletes when they get pulled away from their sport 91 00:04:35,920 --> 00:04:38,200 Speaker 2: injury or take time off, they're like really hungry to 92 00:04:38,240 --> 00:04:40,880 Speaker 2: get back. With me. It's like, I've always kind of 93 00:04:40,920 --> 00:04:43,640 Speaker 2: known that life has so many, so many cool things 94 00:04:43,680 --> 00:04:46,440 Speaker 2: about it, you know, and tennis. When we're traveling seven 95 00:04:46,520 --> 00:04:48,719 Speaker 2: eight months a year, I barely see my family, my friends, 96 00:04:48,760 --> 00:04:50,680 Speaker 2: and during this time it's like I get to see you, 97 00:04:50,680 --> 00:04:53,840 Speaker 2: spend time on my partner more, my family, do all 98 00:04:53,839 --> 00:04:55,560 Speaker 2: these things that I've been missing out on, and it's like, wow, 99 00:04:55,600 --> 00:04:58,440 Speaker 2: this my life's amazing now. But you know, I do 100 00:04:58,520 --> 00:05:01,120 Speaker 2: miss playing tennis obedi ever known since I was seven 101 00:05:01,200 --> 00:05:04,120 Speaker 2: years old. My family loves it, you know, all my 102 00:05:04,200 --> 00:05:06,480 Speaker 2: friends you know know me as Nick Kurios tennis player. 103 00:05:06,560 --> 00:05:08,320 Speaker 2: So I do miss it a little bit. But at 104 00:05:08,320 --> 00:05:10,680 Speaker 2: the same time, I've I've really enjoyed the time off. 105 00:05:10,960 --> 00:05:12,919 Speaker 1: Yeah, I'm glad to hear that. It's good. Good for 106 00:05:12,960 --> 00:05:16,600 Speaker 1: the honesty, you know, like people people forget that we're human. 107 00:05:17,240 --> 00:05:21,000 Speaker 1: We need to break sometimes. What's your earliest childhood memory 108 00:05:21,040 --> 00:05:23,839 Speaker 1: that you think has defined who you are today. 109 00:05:24,960 --> 00:05:27,520 Speaker 2: Well, I hated tennis when I was young, so you know, 110 00:05:27,560 --> 00:05:29,680 Speaker 2: I was very chubby, overweight as a kid, and my 111 00:05:29,760 --> 00:05:32,240 Speaker 2: mom kind of she was like, Okay, we got to 112 00:05:32,240 --> 00:05:34,320 Speaker 2: get you doing some some some sport or be active. 113 00:05:34,360 --> 00:05:36,240 Speaker 2: So she dragged me down to the local tennis courts 114 00:05:36,279 --> 00:05:38,159 Speaker 2: and I remember I was crying all day, hated it, 115 00:05:38,160 --> 00:05:39,000 Speaker 2: didn't want to be there. 116 00:05:39,839 --> 00:05:40,640 Speaker 1: Anyway, I gave it. 117 00:05:40,600 --> 00:05:42,080 Speaker 2: A chance for like, you know, a couple of weeks, 118 00:05:42,120 --> 00:05:43,560 Speaker 2: a couple of months, and the coach was like, he's 119 00:05:43,560 --> 00:05:46,000 Speaker 2: picking it up pretty quickly. And then that was I 120 00:05:46,000 --> 00:05:48,200 Speaker 2: guess that was a defining moment because ever since that 121 00:05:48,320 --> 00:05:50,719 Speaker 2: coach said that, it's like my father and my mom 122 00:05:50,800 --> 00:05:54,480 Speaker 2: put everything into tennis, you know, sacrificed. You know, my 123 00:05:54,560 --> 00:05:56,560 Speaker 2: dad and my mom had nothing growing up, and I 124 00:05:56,600 --> 00:05:59,080 Speaker 2: guess they kind of saw me as the person in 125 00:05:59,080 --> 00:06:01,919 Speaker 2: the family to eventually, you know, try and make it 126 00:06:02,080 --> 00:06:04,160 Speaker 2: and help and help them out and help the family out. 127 00:06:04,200 --> 00:06:08,560 Speaker 2: So look, tennis was it was such an interesting journey. 128 00:06:08,600 --> 00:06:10,720 Speaker 2: You know, I never thought I was seventeen eighteen, still 129 00:06:10,720 --> 00:06:13,000 Speaker 2: in school and people were telling me you could really 130 00:06:13,040 --> 00:06:15,720 Speaker 2: do something. I never took myself seriously enough to one 131 00:06:15,800 --> 00:06:18,000 Speaker 2: day be on the tour beating people like Djokovic, a 132 00:06:18,080 --> 00:06:20,240 Speaker 2: dull feder. It was just never in my mind and 133 00:06:20,320 --> 00:06:22,600 Speaker 2: all of a sudden it just happened and my life changed. 134 00:06:22,880 --> 00:06:25,960 Speaker 2: It's like I have big imposter syndrome. Like I'm sitting here, 135 00:06:25,960 --> 00:06:27,840 Speaker 2: I watch you in my bed in my house in Canberra. 136 00:06:28,279 --> 00:06:29,960 Speaker 2: I'm watching you, and then now all of a sudden, 137 00:06:29,960 --> 00:06:31,520 Speaker 2: I'm here having a conversation like that's. 138 00:06:31,400 --> 00:06:33,280 Speaker 1: Just for me. It's crazy or dude, I feel the 139 00:06:33,320 --> 00:06:36,480 Speaker 1: same with you. I'm watching you play all the major 140 00:06:36,520 --> 00:06:39,159 Speaker 1: tournaments and watching you on breakpoint and I still have 141 00:06:39,200 --> 00:06:40,920 Speaker 1: to pinch myself that I get to do this. So 142 00:06:41,240 --> 00:06:43,120 Speaker 1: the feeling is very mutual, and I wanted you to 143 00:06:43,160 --> 00:06:45,360 Speaker 1: know that too, Like and you know a big part 144 00:06:45,400 --> 00:06:48,919 Speaker 1: of that for me watching you is I think, and 145 00:06:49,000 --> 00:06:52,039 Speaker 1: I chose not to introduce you this way, but I 146 00:06:52,080 --> 00:06:54,520 Speaker 1: think a lot of people would introduce you as the 147 00:06:54,600 --> 00:06:58,440 Speaker 1: bad boy of tennis. How does that title make you 148 00:06:58,480 --> 00:06:59,120 Speaker 1: feel today? 149 00:06:59,320 --> 00:07:01,279 Speaker 2: Yeah, it's been high. That's one thing the media has done. 150 00:07:01,279 --> 00:07:05,720 Speaker 2: They've branded me as you know, I don't know, like 151 00:07:06,040 --> 00:07:08,640 Speaker 2: I'm crazy, I'm a bad boy, but my family and 152 00:07:08,680 --> 00:07:12,160 Speaker 2: my closest people know that I'm quite generous, I'm quite caring. 153 00:07:12,600 --> 00:07:14,080 Speaker 1: I'm intellectually switched on. 154 00:07:14,160 --> 00:07:16,400 Speaker 2: I like having deep conversations, and I've I try my 155 00:07:16,440 --> 00:07:19,440 Speaker 2: best to make other people feel comfortable, like I know 156 00:07:19,480 --> 00:07:23,240 Speaker 2: what it's like to be overweight, insecure. Like I love 157 00:07:23,400 --> 00:07:25,720 Speaker 2: when I see kids that are a bit like I 158 00:07:25,720 --> 00:07:27,720 Speaker 2: guess myself at a younger age. I love that I 159 00:07:27,760 --> 00:07:29,680 Speaker 2: go up to them and make them feel Look, if 160 00:07:29,720 --> 00:07:30,960 Speaker 2: I can do it, you can do it. So that's 161 00:07:31,000 --> 00:07:32,600 Speaker 2: been one of the hardest things in my career is 162 00:07:32,640 --> 00:07:36,160 Speaker 2: like everyone I meet thinks that I'm just a bad person. 163 00:07:36,280 --> 00:07:38,760 Speaker 2: I've got crazy temper, but then off the court, it's 164 00:07:38,800 --> 00:07:42,520 Speaker 2: like a complete opposite person. And it's been really really 165 00:07:42,600 --> 00:07:44,840 Speaker 2: hard to shake that, and it's taken years. Like only 166 00:07:44,880 --> 00:07:46,760 Speaker 2: now I feel like people can't understand how I am 167 00:07:46,880 --> 00:07:48,240 Speaker 2: on the court and how I am off the court. 168 00:07:48,280 --> 00:07:49,600 Speaker 2: But it's it's been hard. 169 00:07:50,040 --> 00:07:53,880 Speaker 1: How early did that title set in, Like that idea 170 00:07:53,960 --> 00:07:58,160 Speaker 1: of Nick Curios meltdown again, Nick Curios break breaks a 171 00:07:58,240 --> 00:08:01,800 Speaker 1: racket like whatever, Like how did that set in and 172 00:08:01,840 --> 00:08:03,000 Speaker 1: how did that impact it? 173 00:08:03,520 --> 00:08:06,160 Speaker 2: Probably the first couple of years was on tour and 174 00:08:06,200 --> 00:08:08,960 Speaker 2: that was almost eleven years ago, and it's been an 175 00:08:09,040 --> 00:08:11,920 Speaker 2: uphill battle ever since. You know, everyone thinks that I'm 176 00:08:12,320 --> 00:08:14,360 Speaker 2: that type of person. But it's like I've gone through 177 00:08:14,360 --> 00:08:16,200 Speaker 2: a whole life trying to prove to people that that's 178 00:08:16,240 --> 00:08:19,600 Speaker 2: not me, and it's been really hard, like all the 179 00:08:19,720 --> 00:08:23,200 Speaker 2: media backlash and negativity, all the negativity of my family, 180 00:08:23,280 --> 00:08:25,720 Speaker 2: my partner, Like it's not it hasn't been so easy 181 00:08:25,760 --> 00:08:29,040 Speaker 2: to navigate. But I think getting older and growing through 182 00:08:29,080 --> 00:08:31,960 Speaker 2: it and getting thick skin, I've kind of given up 183 00:08:31,960 --> 00:08:35,200 Speaker 2: trying to, you know, make everyone understand who I am 184 00:08:35,240 --> 00:08:37,440 Speaker 2: because it's exhausting and I don't think it's possible. Everyone's 185 00:08:37,440 --> 00:08:40,040 Speaker 2: going to have their opinions, but it's taken a toll, 186 00:08:40,120 --> 00:08:42,680 Speaker 2: Like I'm definitely a bit tired of being branded that 187 00:08:43,080 --> 00:08:45,360 Speaker 2: And it's sad in a way because people only really 188 00:08:45,400 --> 00:08:47,520 Speaker 2: want to get to meet me, to meet that side 189 00:08:47,520 --> 00:08:49,960 Speaker 2: of me, which is not how I actually am as 190 00:08:49,960 --> 00:08:50,319 Speaker 2: a person. 191 00:08:50,600 --> 00:08:53,959 Speaker 1: How much of it early on was self inflicted versus 192 00:08:54,600 --> 00:08:58,440 Speaker 1: was that just you trying to deal with the pressure 193 00:08:58,520 --> 00:09:01,160 Speaker 1: and the stress, Like why did that? So I've met 194 00:09:01,200 --> 00:09:04,360 Speaker 1: you just now you're smiling You're easy to be around, 195 00:09:04,440 --> 00:09:07,120 Speaker 1: You're chill, You're cool. When we were messaging, I was 196 00:09:07,120 --> 00:09:08,439 Speaker 1: telling my team, I was, so, this guy seems like 197 00:09:08,480 --> 00:09:11,959 Speaker 1: one of the nicest guys. Everything you just said. But 198 00:09:12,240 --> 00:09:14,480 Speaker 1: then when someone watches you on the court or watches 199 00:09:14,520 --> 00:09:18,720 Speaker 1: you in air press interview, you could be intimidating. How 200 00:09:18,800 --> 00:09:21,440 Speaker 1: much of that became a persona you felt you ended 201 00:09:21,520 --> 00:09:24,560 Speaker 1: up playing versus Where did it actually start? Was it 202 00:09:24,600 --> 00:09:26,559 Speaker 1: that you were stressed and there was pressure. 203 00:09:26,280 --> 00:09:28,200 Speaker 2: Or well, I guess yeah, when I'm on court, I 204 00:09:28,280 --> 00:09:30,600 Speaker 2: turned to a different person, like I love competing and 205 00:09:30,640 --> 00:09:33,840 Speaker 2: it's like I hate losing. And I guess even when 206 00:09:33,880 --> 00:09:36,000 Speaker 2: I was a younger kind of kid on the court, 207 00:09:36,000 --> 00:09:38,200 Speaker 2: I always carried my emotions. I would cry on court, 208 00:09:38,240 --> 00:09:40,880 Speaker 2: I would scream, I would just I'd love to compete 209 00:09:40,880 --> 00:09:43,280 Speaker 2: and hate to lose. And I guess I never changed, 210 00:09:43,440 --> 00:09:45,640 Speaker 2: Like whether it's me now, I don't cry on court now, 211 00:09:45,679 --> 00:09:48,600 Speaker 2: but I still am very emotional, and I just it 212 00:09:48,679 --> 00:09:50,800 Speaker 2: just shows how much I care. I feel like it 213 00:09:50,960 --> 00:09:53,280 Speaker 2: was a way for me to outlet the pressure, you know, 214 00:09:53,360 --> 00:09:55,520 Speaker 2: get angry or smash a racket. But the thing is 215 00:09:55,559 --> 00:09:56,319 Speaker 2: tennis can go for. 216 00:09:56,240 --> 00:09:57,559 Speaker 1: Four or five hours. I much to go for four 217 00:09:57,640 --> 00:09:58,840 Speaker 1: five hours and. 218 00:09:58,760 --> 00:10:01,040 Speaker 2: Then for that small snip bit of time twenty seconds, 219 00:10:01,040 --> 00:10:03,599 Speaker 2: thirty seconds, I'm losing my losing my mind. 220 00:10:03,679 --> 00:10:04,720 Speaker 1: And that's all they're showing. 221 00:10:04,760 --> 00:10:06,520 Speaker 2: Like, if you just show thirty minutes of a four 222 00:10:06,520 --> 00:10:08,520 Speaker 2: hour match, then everyone's gonna shoot. That's how he's carrying 223 00:10:08,520 --> 00:10:10,600 Speaker 2: on for four hours. Like the majority of the time, 224 00:10:10,640 --> 00:10:14,559 Speaker 2: I'm well behaved, great competitor, respecting my opponent, and then 225 00:10:15,080 --> 00:10:16,800 Speaker 2: I look, I turn on, you know, say the TV. 226 00:10:16,840 --> 00:10:18,520 Speaker 2: It's just me smashing the rack, and I'm like, I 227 00:10:18,559 --> 00:10:21,400 Speaker 2: can't control that. And it's been it's been hard, Like 228 00:10:21,480 --> 00:10:23,000 Speaker 2: most of the time, I am how I am now, 229 00:10:23,040 --> 00:10:25,640 Speaker 2: but it's been a tough one. 230 00:10:25,920 --> 00:10:28,520 Speaker 1: Yeah, you were saying, I've watched how you talked about 231 00:10:28,520 --> 00:10:31,720 Speaker 1: how it's impacted you. It's impacted how people communicate with 232 00:10:31,760 --> 00:10:35,560 Speaker 1: your girlfriend, like the kind of backlash that you receive. Ye, 233 00:10:36,360 --> 00:10:39,800 Speaker 1: what has been the darkest, hardest period of dealing with that, 234 00:10:39,920 --> 00:10:44,000 Speaker 1: whether it may be a media narrative or fans reaching out, 235 00:10:44,000 --> 00:10:44,760 Speaker 1: whatever it may be. 236 00:10:45,040 --> 00:10:47,560 Speaker 2: Yeah, in twenty nineteen was I've opened up about some 237 00:10:47,559 --> 00:10:49,280 Speaker 2: of the darkest periods of my life, and I just 238 00:10:49,679 --> 00:10:52,079 Speaker 2: it was so assessible all these negative comments. You know, 239 00:10:52,120 --> 00:10:54,880 Speaker 2: you go on your phone now, you open up social media, Instagram, Twitter, 240 00:10:54,960 --> 00:10:57,800 Speaker 2: all this, and I just see millions of messages that 241 00:10:57,880 --> 00:11:02,360 Speaker 2: were negative, negative about life, family, like just things that 242 00:11:02,600 --> 00:11:04,440 Speaker 2: I feel like I didn't never really listen to listen to, 243 00:11:04,480 --> 00:11:05,920 Speaker 2: but they just went into the back of my mind 244 00:11:06,240 --> 00:11:10,840 Speaker 2: and subconsciously they're just there. And then when things start happening, 245 00:11:10,840 --> 00:11:12,719 Speaker 2: you're like, maybe they're right. You start doubting yourself, and 246 00:11:12,760 --> 00:11:14,679 Speaker 2: I feel like that's what I fell into. It was like, oh, 247 00:11:14,720 --> 00:11:16,960 Speaker 2: maybe they are right. And then I started feeling really 248 00:11:16,960 --> 00:11:21,120 Speaker 2: negatively about myself, and I started all these bad habits happening, 249 00:11:21,160 --> 00:11:23,520 Speaker 2: and it was impossible for me to deal with. I 250 00:11:23,559 --> 00:11:25,760 Speaker 2: was nineteen at the time when this all started happening, 251 00:11:25,800 --> 00:11:29,680 Speaker 2: and I wasn't prepared for such a I guess, such 252 00:11:29,679 --> 00:11:32,280 Speaker 2: a hard time. Like I was just enjoying myself. I 253 00:11:32,280 --> 00:11:34,199 Speaker 2: had normal friends, and then I went from being in 254 00:11:34,200 --> 00:11:36,600 Speaker 2: school to now being on the global stage in the spotlight, 255 00:11:36,679 --> 00:11:38,480 Speaker 2: and it was just impossible for me to deal with. 256 00:11:38,720 --> 00:11:41,520 Speaker 2: I never really dealt with it in a healthy way 257 00:11:41,520 --> 00:11:41,800 Speaker 2: at all. 258 00:11:42,559 --> 00:11:49,800 Speaker 1: Yeah, you talked about in Breakpoint about drugs, alcohol, isolating yourself. 259 00:11:50,240 --> 00:11:55,280 Speaker 1: You talk about even considering attempting suicide yep. And then 260 00:11:55,480 --> 00:11:59,000 Speaker 1: we hear that you locked into a psych wood, but 261 00:11:59,000 --> 00:12:01,840 Speaker 1: we don't really realize what you went through. They walk 262 00:12:01,960 --> 00:12:05,240 Speaker 1: us through what it felt like to be Nick Kirios 263 00:12:05,240 --> 00:12:06,160 Speaker 1: in twenty nineteen. 264 00:12:06,840 --> 00:12:08,960 Speaker 2: It's just a I think about those times and I 265 00:12:08,960 --> 00:12:11,240 Speaker 2: don't necessarily feel sad about him or happy about him. 266 00:12:11,240 --> 00:12:12,960 Speaker 2: It's just that that part of my life is over, 267 00:12:13,040 --> 00:12:15,480 Speaker 2: and it's just a mess. Like I think about that time, 268 00:12:15,520 --> 00:12:19,520 Speaker 2: I just was not thinking clearly. I was drinking every night, 269 00:12:20,000 --> 00:12:22,520 Speaker 2: you know, just at the time, I thought it was 270 00:12:22,559 --> 00:12:24,960 Speaker 2: just fun. But it wasn't fun. It was just self 271 00:12:25,000 --> 00:12:27,520 Speaker 2: inflicted pain. And I had friends around me telling me 272 00:12:27,520 --> 00:12:30,040 Speaker 2: it wasn't healthy, and I ignored them. And then I 273 00:12:30,120 --> 00:12:33,080 Speaker 2: found myself going to a psychiatric ward in London and 274 00:12:33,120 --> 00:12:34,960 Speaker 2: I had to play an adult the next day. And 275 00:12:35,000 --> 00:12:37,200 Speaker 2: these are the things, like everyone would assume that I 276 00:12:37,240 --> 00:12:39,959 Speaker 2: was doing fine. I was answering questions and they told 277 00:12:40,000 --> 00:12:41,760 Speaker 2: me that I should stay in this psychiatric ward for 278 00:12:41,800 --> 00:12:45,400 Speaker 2: two weeks and be reassessed, and I was playing adultin 279 00:12:45,440 --> 00:12:47,640 Speaker 2: next day. It's like I looked at myself. I was like, 280 00:12:48,280 --> 00:12:50,800 Speaker 2: I can't do this. I have to somehow change these 281 00:12:50,800 --> 00:12:54,000 Speaker 2: habits so and I had self harm everywhere. I had 282 00:12:54,000 --> 00:12:56,000 Speaker 2: to wear an arm sleeve on center cord to Wimbledon, 283 00:12:56,200 --> 00:12:58,280 Speaker 2: and no one knew any of these problems. And it 284 00:12:58,800 --> 00:13:01,599 Speaker 2: was hard lock and I just don't know how I 285 00:13:01,760 --> 00:13:04,440 Speaker 2: nack like got out of it, to be honest, I 286 00:13:04,559 --> 00:13:08,040 Speaker 2: was such a mess. And the worst thing was the media. 287 00:13:08,120 --> 00:13:10,800 Speaker 2: I was having decent results during that time, and the 288 00:13:10,840 --> 00:13:12,920 Speaker 2: media was like, Okay, is this a new Nicuros? Is 289 00:13:12,920 --> 00:13:14,240 Speaker 2: this the new Curos? And I was like, this is 290 00:13:14,320 --> 00:13:15,479 Speaker 2: the darkest period. 291 00:13:15,240 --> 00:13:15,720 Speaker 1: Of my life. 292 00:13:16,200 --> 00:13:19,240 Speaker 2: There was a tournament in Mexico Acapulco where I was 293 00:13:19,360 --> 00:13:21,679 Speaker 2: thinking about I was having suicidal thoughts and you know, 294 00:13:21,720 --> 00:13:23,720 Speaker 2: I was just on the balcony of my hotel and 295 00:13:23,800 --> 00:13:26,120 Speaker 2: I was genuinely thinking about it, and my team was like, 296 00:13:26,280 --> 00:13:28,199 Speaker 2: we got to play in ten minutes, ended up going 297 00:13:28,200 --> 00:13:31,160 Speaker 2: out on court, played amazing, won the tournament, and everyone 298 00:13:31,200 --> 00:13:33,319 Speaker 2: globally was thinking, Wow, is this the person that we've 299 00:13:33,360 --> 00:13:35,920 Speaker 2: all been waiting for? When I was really on the 300 00:13:35,960 --> 00:13:39,360 Speaker 2: brink of everything, and that's so scary because no one 301 00:13:39,360 --> 00:13:40,320 Speaker 2: else knew what was going on. 302 00:13:41,000 --> 00:13:46,240 Speaker 1: It was really hard. I mean, that paradox of feeling 303 00:13:46,240 --> 00:13:48,880 Speaker 1: that way and then having to play the biggest games 304 00:13:49,000 --> 00:13:51,920 Speaker 1: and then even winning some of them, but then feeling 305 00:13:51,920 --> 00:13:54,959 Speaker 1: that way when you're off court again. Yep, that sounds 306 00:13:55,000 --> 00:13:58,600 Speaker 1: like one of the most difficult Like just just listen 307 00:13:58,640 --> 00:14:01,600 Speaker 1: to you right now. I'm listening to that going. I 308 00:14:01,679 --> 00:14:03,559 Speaker 1: was just putting myself in that position thing you're sitting 309 00:14:03,559 --> 00:14:05,560 Speaker 1: and standing there at the balcony, like, I can't imagine 310 00:14:05,600 --> 00:14:09,200 Speaker 1: what's going through your mind? How did you break through that? Like? 311 00:14:09,240 --> 00:14:11,520 Speaker 1: How did how was that not the end? Because I 312 00:14:11,559 --> 00:14:14,520 Speaker 1: feel there's so many people listening right now who might 313 00:14:14,559 --> 00:14:17,200 Speaker 1: be feeling like you weren't then, and I want you 314 00:14:17,240 --> 00:14:18,680 Speaker 1: to talk to them. I want them to hear you 315 00:14:18,800 --> 00:14:21,600 Speaker 1: right now because I want this to be the mess 316 00:14:21,680 --> 00:14:25,080 Speaker 1: is that they say that got me through it? 317 00:14:25,240 --> 00:14:27,920 Speaker 2: Just everyone. I felt like I was very selfish at 318 00:14:27,920 --> 00:14:30,280 Speaker 2: that time. I was always giving into my feelings, which 319 00:14:30,320 --> 00:14:32,480 Speaker 2: were they were probably valid, but I felt like I 320 00:14:32,520 --> 00:14:35,360 Speaker 2: was playing just based on how I felt. And then 321 00:14:35,360 --> 00:14:37,560 Speaker 2: I looked back at millions of fans that I have 322 00:14:37,760 --> 00:14:40,440 Speaker 2: and that I you know, for instance, there was a 323 00:14:40,480 --> 00:14:41,800 Speaker 2: Make a Wish kid that I met up with a 324 00:14:41,800 --> 00:14:44,080 Speaker 2: week and a half ago. He's probably got six months 325 00:14:44,080 --> 00:14:46,240 Speaker 2: to live. And then I realized that those types of 326 00:14:46,280 --> 00:14:48,560 Speaker 2: people that look up to me and really want me 327 00:14:48,600 --> 00:14:50,800 Speaker 2: to succeed, that's who I started playing for. So family, 328 00:14:50,880 --> 00:14:55,240 Speaker 2: these like kids, the future generation. That's the reason why 329 00:14:55,240 --> 00:14:57,480 Speaker 2: I probably would have retired and probably stopped playing, you know, 330 00:14:57,480 --> 00:14:59,560 Speaker 2: a couple of years ago, if I just kept playing 331 00:14:59,560 --> 00:15:01,320 Speaker 2: on how it was feeling. But then I realized I've 332 00:15:01,320 --> 00:15:02,880 Speaker 2: got a whole contingent of fans on why they want 333 00:15:02,880 --> 00:15:05,280 Speaker 2: to see me succeed. So that's why I love playing 334 00:15:05,320 --> 00:15:07,640 Speaker 2: now like I play for them. But that's what got 335 00:15:07,680 --> 00:15:09,560 Speaker 2: me out of it. I started feeling like I've got 336 00:15:09,560 --> 00:15:12,040 Speaker 2: a lot more to give, not for me, like I've 337 00:15:12,040 --> 00:15:14,200 Speaker 2: already proved myself that I can play tennis, but for 338 00:15:14,360 --> 00:15:16,520 Speaker 2: all those people out there, like if I can do it, 339 00:15:16,960 --> 00:15:18,680 Speaker 2: like you look at Jokovic, Feta and a Dull, like 340 00:15:18,720 --> 00:15:22,120 Speaker 2: these people are gods in my eyes, like they're super professional. 341 00:15:22,160 --> 00:15:25,680 Speaker 2: Djokovic takes care of his diet daily. I was not 342 00:15:25,720 --> 00:15:28,120 Speaker 2: doing any of these things and still getting to that level. 343 00:15:28,160 --> 00:15:30,600 Speaker 2: So I think if just the inspiration for other people 344 00:15:30,600 --> 00:15:33,600 Speaker 2: got me out of that, But it was really those 345 00:15:33,680 --> 00:15:36,240 Speaker 2: times up in There are definitely times now where I 346 00:15:36,280 --> 00:15:39,440 Speaker 2: think about those moments, and I guess I still get 347 00:15:39,480 --> 00:15:44,120 Speaker 2: a bit emotional on it. Like Breakpoint obviously showed interviews 348 00:15:44,120 --> 00:15:47,360 Speaker 2: with my sister and my father, my best friend and 349 00:15:47,400 --> 00:15:50,680 Speaker 2: they break down into tears, and that just shows how 350 00:15:50,680 --> 00:15:52,320 Speaker 2: emotional that time was because they could just see me 351 00:15:52,320 --> 00:15:55,800 Speaker 2: spiraling out of control and I hadn't. I didn't think 352 00:15:55,800 --> 00:15:57,320 Speaker 2: it was okay to just step back and not play. 353 00:15:57,720 --> 00:15:59,800 Speaker 2: I kept thinking I had to force myself to get 354 00:15:59,840 --> 00:16:03,120 Speaker 2: out there. Yeah, definitely was traumatizing. 355 00:16:03,520 --> 00:16:05,280 Speaker 1: How much did it mean to you that they stood 356 00:16:05,280 --> 00:16:05,600 Speaker 1: by you? 357 00:16:06,280 --> 00:16:09,600 Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean I probably owen my life, to be honest, 358 00:16:09,680 --> 00:16:11,800 Speaker 2: you know, they were standing by me through. 359 00:16:13,200 --> 00:16:16,880 Speaker 1: Reckless behavior. And that's what I'm everything. That's what I mean. 360 00:16:16,920 --> 00:16:19,080 Speaker 2: Like people now I go on social media and they're like, oh, 361 00:16:19,080 --> 00:16:21,080 Speaker 2: you're a waste of talent, or why you're not playing 362 00:16:21,160 --> 00:16:23,120 Speaker 2: or why you're not doing this? And everything I'm doing 363 00:16:23,120 --> 00:16:24,800 Speaker 2: now is just a bonus, Like being here speaking to 364 00:16:24,880 --> 00:16:27,560 Speaker 2: Jay Shetty for me is just that's like a It's 365 00:16:27,560 --> 00:16:30,080 Speaker 2: like all a bonus. Like every day I just don't 366 00:16:30,080 --> 00:16:31,600 Speaker 2: think about the past, I don't think about the future. 367 00:16:31,640 --> 00:16:34,120 Speaker 2: I just live every day, day by day, and I 368 00:16:34,280 --> 00:16:36,200 Speaker 2: just everything I'm doing now is just a bonus. Like 369 00:16:36,240 --> 00:16:39,560 Speaker 2: because I was so so depressed and so sad and 370 00:16:39,760 --> 00:16:42,760 Speaker 2: like I literally wanted to end my life, and now 371 00:16:42,880 --> 00:16:47,040 Speaker 2: just I'm just here and enjoying it. So everything's just 372 00:16:47,800 --> 00:16:48,600 Speaker 2: it's all a bonus. 373 00:16:48,880 --> 00:16:50,400 Speaker 1: Yeah, that's a beautiful way to live. 374 00:16:50,560 --> 00:16:51,120 Speaker 2: Yeah it is. 375 00:16:51,640 --> 00:16:53,920 Speaker 1: Yeah, it's a beautiful mindset to live in. Just I 376 00:16:53,960 --> 00:16:54,680 Speaker 1: just stay on my feet. 377 00:16:54,800 --> 00:16:56,840 Speaker 2: I don't think about the past, or I don't I'm 378 00:16:56,880 --> 00:16:59,800 Speaker 2: not a big planner anymore because I just don't know 379 00:17:00,320 --> 00:17:02,040 Speaker 2: anything can be taken away just like that. 380 00:17:02,400 --> 00:17:05,800 Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean, I think listening to you, it's so 381 00:17:05,920 --> 00:17:10,400 Speaker 1: interesting right when we have views on athletes, especially where 382 00:17:10,400 --> 00:17:12,960 Speaker 1: we're like, oh, you could have been this, and you 383 00:17:13,000 --> 00:17:14,960 Speaker 1: could have been the next greatest, and you could have 384 00:17:14,960 --> 00:17:18,320 Speaker 1: been whatever it may be. And the challenges you have 385 00:17:18,359 --> 00:17:20,399 Speaker 1: no idea what that person's going through. You have no 386 00:17:20,520 --> 00:17:25,240 Speaker 1: idea what's worrying that person. And I think everyone almost 387 00:17:25,560 --> 00:17:30,000 Speaker 1: projects their own insecurities onto everyone else where. We also 388 00:17:30,080 --> 00:17:32,560 Speaker 1: feel like we have so much potential that never got seen, 389 00:17:33,040 --> 00:17:35,480 Speaker 1: that never got untapped, and to almost live in the 390 00:17:35,520 --> 00:17:38,080 Speaker 1: way you're living now, which is like I'm already living 391 00:17:38,080 --> 00:17:40,720 Speaker 1: in bonus land. I mean I feel like that in 392 00:17:40,760 --> 00:17:45,200 Speaker 1: so many ways in my life where I am able 393 00:17:45,240 --> 00:17:47,760 Speaker 1: to do things today that I couldn't even have imagined 394 00:17:47,800 --> 00:17:49,639 Speaker 1: as a kid. And we can. Actually we have a 395 00:17:49,640 --> 00:17:52,119 Speaker 1: lot in common growing up because I was and I 396 00:17:52,160 --> 00:17:53,800 Speaker 1: heard you say this, and I felt the same way. 397 00:17:53,840 --> 00:17:57,840 Speaker 1: I was a short, brown, fat kid growing up at school, 398 00:17:58,560 --> 00:18:01,240 Speaker 1: and so when you talk about that and breakpoint, I 399 00:18:01,280 --> 00:18:04,160 Speaker 1: felt exactly the same way. Where I was bullied for it, 400 00:18:04,480 --> 00:18:07,320 Speaker 1: I was beaten up for it, I was criticized for it. 401 00:18:08,240 --> 00:18:09,840 Speaker 1: And when I look at my life today, I'm like, 402 00:18:09,920 --> 00:18:12,520 Speaker 1: I get to do things that I didn't ever think 403 00:18:12,600 --> 00:18:15,440 Speaker 1: were possible. So I'm already living in bonus world. 404 00:18:15,520 --> 00:18:16,480 Speaker 2: And he's so grateful for. 405 00:18:16,440 --> 00:18:19,120 Speaker 1: It, so grateful for it, so grateful for it beyond 406 00:18:19,160 --> 00:18:22,119 Speaker 1: and whether I reached the potential what people think I 407 00:18:22,160 --> 00:18:25,080 Speaker 1: should do or whether I don't, I'm already living in 408 00:18:25,119 --> 00:18:29,960 Speaker 1: that gratitude with you. When you're playing at the top 409 00:18:30,040 --> 00:18:33,840 Speaker 1: level and there is that feeling. So when you find 410 00:18:33,880 --> 00:18:35,560 Speaker 1: out you're going to make it, you've made it through 411 00:18:35,600 --> 00:18:38,520 Speaker 1: to the final of Wimbledon, walk me through what the 412 00:18:38,560 --> 00:18:41,320 Speaker 1: feeling is when you know I've made it through to 413 00:18:41,480 --> 00:18:45,480 Speaker 1: the final of Wimbledon, which is the biggest stage, the 414 00:18:45,480 --> 00:18:48,399 Speaker 1: biggest moment, You've made it through. What does that feel like? 415 00:18:48,920 --> 00:18:51,480 Speaker 2: I was laughing inside, like I was. I had Novak 416 00:18:51,560 --> 00:18:54,879 Speaker 2: Jocovic behind me, the royal family watching me play, and 417 00:18:54,920 --> 00:18:57,240 Speaker 2: there's like guards there, and I'm just like thinking to myself, 418 00:18:57,280 --> 00:18:59,679 Speaker 2: I don't it shouldn't be me. Like the way that 419 00:19:00,240 --> 00:19:02,480 Speaker 2: everything had panned out, it was like I just thought 420 00:19:02,480 --> 00:19:04,840 Speaker 2: it was all a joke. I was like, this is incredible. 421 00:19:05,320 --> 00:19:08,800 Speaker 2: How am I here in this moment in time? And yeah, 422 00:19:08,800 --> 00:19:12,440 Speaker 2: I was walking out to the court and I just yeah, 423 00:19:12,760 --> 00:19:16,920 Speaker 2: it's like every single thing that I'd gone through, training, family, sacrifice, 424 00:19:16,960 --> 00:19:19,439 Speaker 2: it all. That's the one time my life where everything 425 00:19:19,440 --> 00:19:23,760 Speaker 2: made sense, everything made sense. Every gym session, conditioning session, 426 00:19:23,800 --> 00:19:26,600 Speaker 2: every good meal I decided to eat was all equal 427 00:19:26,600 --> 00:19:29,040 Speaker 2: to that moment in time. And it's like I didn't 428 00:19:29,040 --> 00:19:30,720 Speaker 2: sleep the night before, and then as soon as I 429 00:19:30,720 --> 00:19:31,240 Speaker 2: stepped on. 430 00:19:31,200 --> 00:19:32,639 Speaker 1: Court, all those feelings on a way. 431 00:19:32,640 --> 00:19:34,480 Speaker 2: It was like Okay, now I'm home. And then I 432 00:19:34,520 --> 00:19:36,760 Speaker 2: lost the match, but I played incredible. It was a 433 00:19:36,760 --> 00:19:40,320 Speaker 2: great final. But I just remember seeing the doors open 434 00:19:40,359 --> 00:19:42,439 Speaker 2: reals slowly, and I saw every blade of grass the 435 00:19:42,480 --> 00:19:44,040 Speaker 2: same length, and I just walked out there and it 436 00:19:44,080 --> 00:19:47,040 Speaker 2: was just like home. And then that was it. I 437 00:19:47,200 --> 00:19:50,400 Speaker 2: just I'm not disappointed that I lost the match. Obviously 438 00:19:50,400 --> 00:19:51,760 Speaker 2: I would love to have a wim Wood and crown, 439 00:19:51,840 --> 00:19:55,000 Speaker 2: but it was all bonus, like the fact that I 440 00:19:55,040 --> 00:19:57,760 Speaker 2: was just walking out, Novak's behind me, the royal Family's there, 441 00:19:57,800 --> 00:20:01,080 Speaker 2: like nik Kurios making it that far ridiculous. 442 00:20:01,280 --> 00:20:05,120 Speaker 1: When I hear you speak, you speak like every almost 443 00:20:05,160 --> 00:20:10,159 Speaker 1: like real. It's almost like that childlike feeling of like 444 00:20:10,200 --> 00:20:13,399 Speaker 1: you're still living in that childlike moment or childlike feeling 445 00:20:13,440 --> 00:20:15,840 Speaker 1: of what that would have felt like, where sometimes we 446 00:20:15,920 --> 00:20:19,240 Speaker 1: grow up too soon and we almost can't experience it 447 00:20:19,240 --> 00:20:21,960 Speaker 1: that way. When you just said you saw every blade 448 00:20:21,960 --> 00:20:25,359 Speaker 1: of grasping the same like even that mindfulness like watching 449 00:20:25,359 --> 00:20:27,800 Speaker 1: the doors, the fact that you can visualize it, it 450 00:20:27,880 --> 00:20:31,840 Speaker 1: means you are so present what goes through your mind 451 00:20:31,920 --> 00:20:34,399 Speaker 1: during the game when it's not going your way, like 452 00:20:34,520 --> 00:20:37,560 Speaker 1: what happens when you start losing a point, or when 453 00:20:37,560 --> 00:20:39,439 Speaker 1: you know you could have made something you didn't, like 454 00:20:39,640 --> 00:20:41,000 Speaker 1: what's going through your mind at. 455 00:20:40,880 --> 00:20:43,800 Speaker 2: That time, just competing, like just trying to get the 456 00:20:43,800 --> 00:20:45,679 Speaker 2: best out of myself, Like I guess people when they 457 00:20:45,720 --> 00:20:47,520 Speaker 2: watch me play, like why you get so angry. It's 458 00:20:47,560 --> 00:20:50,840 Speaker 2: like there's millions of dollars on the line, so many 459 00:20:50,880 --> 00:20:53,000 Speaker 2: hours of work put in, and I'm just trying to 460 00:20:53,040 --> 00:20:54,920 Speaker 2: like do the best I can in that moment of time. 461 00:20:54,960 --> 00:20:57,359 Speaker 2: Like people when they say me, I guess getting angry 462 00:20:57,480 --> 00:21:00,199 Speaker 2: or doing whatever, they're like, oh, he doesn't care, Like 463 00:21:00,280 --> 00:21:02,639 Speaker 2: I think I care too much at times on the result. 464 00:21:03,240 --> 00:21:05,440 Speaker 2: And coach has always told me, like, don't care about 465 00:21:05,480 --> 00:21:08,000 Speaker 2: the result too much. But in my life and my experience, 466 00:21:08,040 --> 00:21:09,600 Speaker 2: if you don't win at the end of the day, 467 00:21:10,040 --> 00:21:12,040 Speaker 2: I wouldn't be here. If I didn't win majority of 468 00:21:12,040 --> 00:21:13,720 Speaker 2: tennis matches, I wouldn't be sitting here. So I know 469 00:21:13,760 --> 00:21:15,920 Speaker 2: the importance of winning. But at the same time, I 470 00:21:16,000 --> 00:21:19,800 Speaker 2: guess I just I'm just so involved in every little 471 00:21:19,800 --> 00:21:22,639 Speaker 2: bit of efforts been. I know my family's effort, my 472 00:21:22,680 --> 00:21:26,400 Speaker 2: support crew. I want everyone in my team to feel 473 00:21:26,640 --> 00:21:28,600 Speaker 2: that I care the most. I want to like success 474 00:21:28,640 --> 00:21:30,399 Speaker 2: for all of us. I don't care about just me, 475 00:21:30,560 --> 00:21:33,200 Speaker 2: Like my physio is there, my partner's there, my best friend, 476 00:21:33,200 --> 00:21:35,520 Speaker 2: my agent, like we're all contingent, and that's why I 477 00:21:35,520 --> 00:21:36,560 Speaker 2: guess I love the. 478 00:21:36,520 --> 00:21:37,920 Speaker 1: Team environment a little bit more. 479 00:21:38,320 --> 00:21:40,840 Speaker 2: But tennis is people just think you're on your own 480 00:21:40,880 --> 00:21:42,800 Speaker 2: out there, but it's like there's so much more than 481 00:21:42,840 --> 00:21:44,960 Speaker 2: just me, Like everyone's put so much work in to. 482 00:21:44,920 --> 00:21:48,040 Speaker 1: Get here, So your anger is actually your care exactly. 483 00:21:48,320 --> 00:21:50,120 Speaker 2: I wanted to win Winmoledon, so then like my whole 484 00:21:50,160 --> 00:21:53,080 Speaker 2: team like can share that with me. I don't really care, 485 00:21:53,359 --> 00:21:56,159 Speaker 2: Like I actually don't really care, and I wanted to 486 00:21:56,200 --> 00:21:58,200 Speaker 2: win Winmledon so I could just shut everyone up and 487 00:21:58,240 --> 00:21:59,679 Speaker 2: so I could be just left alone. So if I'm 488 00:21:59,720 --> 00:22:02,120 Speaker 2: at home and I'm actually having a beer or I'm 489 00:22:02,160 --> 00:22:04,639 Speaker 2: just chilling people, just what are you doing, I'm like, 490 00:22:04,640 --> 00:22:06,639 Speaker 2: I want win with it, Like you can't tell me anything. 491 00:22:06,680 --> 00:22:09,399 Speaker 2: You're in like your immortal in that tennis world, you know, 492 00:22:10,240 --> 00:22:12,440 Speaker 2: Like I made the final and people still criticize me. 493 00:22:12,440 --> 00:22:14,280 Speaker 2: I feel like i'd one that maybe it would start. 494 00:22:14,760 --> 00:22:18,199 Speaker 1: So you feel like when you're playing, you're trying to 495 00:22:18,240 --> 00:22:21,080 Speaker 1: win because you feel so many people have invested in you, 496 00:22:21,600 --> 00:22:23,760 Speaker 1: and so many people believe in you, the people that 497 00:22:23,800 --> 00:22:27,880 Speaker 1: you care about, and that you almost want to win. 498 00:22:27,840 --> 00:22:31,399 Speaker 2: For them, Yes, and to shut everyone else up, that 499 00:22:31,400 --> 00:22:32,359 Speaker 2: would be nice. 500 00:22:32,760 --> 00:22:35,280 Speaker 1: I'm excited to see you go on and win a few, 501 00:22:35,640 --> 00:22:38,520 Speaker 1: Like I think you have the potential and the ability, 502 00:22:38,560 --> 00:22:40,680 Speaker 1: and you know the mindset to go and do it. 503 00:22:40,960 --> 00:22:43,280 Speaker 1: But when you go and win, you know as well 504 00:22:43,280 --> 00:22:45,160 Speaker 1: as I do that that still won't shut people out. 505 00:22:45,480 --> 00:22:48,480 Speaker 1: I know that you know that I just just false hope. 506 00:22:48,520 --> 00:22:50,680 Speaker 1: I guess what is that false? I walk me through 507 00:22:50,680 --> 00:22:53,160 Speaker 1: that because I think that's real. I think we all 508 00:22:53,240 --> 00:22:56,720 Speaker 1: feel right, this is this is this is the hypothesis. 509 00:22:58,000 --> 00:23:01,040 Speaker 1: We all feel that there's one thing we can do 510 00:23:02,000 --> 00:23:05,840 Speaker 1: that will finally convince people of who we are, and 511 00:23:05,840 --> 00:23:08,360 Speaker 1: we're all waiting in our own way to do that thing. 512 00:23:08,440 --> 00:23:10,639 Speaker 1: For you, it may be a game of tennis for 513 00:23:10,720 --> 00:23:13,399 Speaker 1: someone else, it might be a promotion for someone that 514 00:23:13,440 --> 00:23:17,440 Speaker 1: will be graduating with a particular degree. For me, it 515 00:23:17,440 --> 00:23:19,760 Speaker 1: will be interviewing someone whatever. Like, we all have that 516 00:23:19,760 --> 00:23:23,600 Speaker 1: thing where we think when I do this, then people 517 00:23:23,640 --> 00:23:26,160 Speaker 1: will say I made it. Yeah, why is that? 518 00:23:27,280 --> 00:23:29,800 Speaker 2: I don't know. I feel like if people really understood 519 00:23:29,840 --> 00:23:33,040 Speaker 2: my journey, then they wouldn't be so pushy. I think, 520 00:23:33,080 --> 00:23:35,480 Speaker 2: and like if I just sat down with all my 521 00:23:35,520 --> 00:23:37,280 Speaker 2: haters and we had like a nice meal together and 522 00:23:37,320 --> 00:23:38,760 Speaker 2: I gave it my side, sorry, I think they'd have 523 00:23:38,800 --> 00:23:40,919 Speaker 2: a better understanding and they wouldn't be so like, they 524 00:23:40,960 --> 00:23:44,480 Speaker 2: wouldn't criticize or be so like aggressive towards me on 525 00:23:44,480 --> 00:23:47,159 Speaker 2: social media or just in general. So I feel like 526 00:23:47,359 --> 00:23:50,639 Speaker 2: maybe if I do in Wimbledon, and like I was 527 00:23:50,680 --> 00:23:52,879 Speaker 2: so close, and I don't even really love the sport, 528 00:23:53,119 --> 00:23:56,080 Speaker 2: like I'm only doing this because I love taking care 529 00:23:56,119 --> 00:23:58,879 Speaker 2: of my family, my people, and I want to do 530 00:23:59,000 --> 00:24:02,200 Speaker 2: this so I can prove that no matter how much 531 00:24:02,240 --> 00:24:05,040 Speaker 2: more of an underdog you are, you can achieve something 532 00:24:05,280 --> 00:24:07,920 Speaker 2: like winning win. Would it like that's I never thought 533 00:24:07,920 --> 00:24:09,800 Speaker 2: in my mind that I would be capable of doing that, 534 00:24:10,560 --> 00:24:13,119 Speaker 2: And I look, maybe you are right. I know that 535 00:24:13,160 --> 00:24:14,359 Speaker 2: even if I did that, people are going to be like, 536 00:24:14,359 --> 00:24:16,119 Speaker 2: all right, now do it again. And it's just like 537 00:24:16,359 --> 00:24:18,760 Speaker 2: that's I guess that's the rat race of life. You know, 538 00:24:18,800 --> 00:24:21,680 Speaker 2: how much is enough? And I feel like I'm very 539 00:24:21,680 --> 00:24:23,360 Speaker 2: content with my love now. I have more than enough 540 00:24:23,400 --> 00:24:26,600 Speaker 2: to enjoy and so if it was up to me, 541 00:24:26,840 --> 00:24:28,960 Speaker 2: I probably wouldn't. I don't really want to play anymore, 542 00:24:29,040 --> 00:24:31,679 Speaker 2: to be honest, but I have to almost I've got 543 00:24:31,760 --> 00:24:32,280 Speaker 2: so much. 544 00:24:32,160 --> 00:24:32,680 Speaker 1: More to give. 545 00:24:33,040 --> 00:24:35,360 Speaker 2: But for me, I don't played anymore. 546 00:24:35,520 --> 00:24:37,159 Speaker 1: And that's not your way of taking the pressure. 547 00:24:37,240 --> 00:24:40,280 Speaker 2: No, it's not like I'm exhausted. I'm tired, and you know, 548 00:24:40,280 --> 00:24:43,480 Speaker 2: I have had three surgeries now that I'm only twenty 549 00:24:43,480 --> 00:24:45,199 Speaker 2: eight years old. I always wanted to be able to 550 00:24:45,240 --> 00:24:47,240 Speaker 2: have a family and not be in payment. When I 551 00:24:47,240 --> 00:24:50,800 Speaker 2: get up, I can't walk without pain. So it's it's 552 00:24:50,840 --> 00:24:52,280 Speaker 2: a tough gig. It's tough. 553 00:24:52,680 --> 00:24:57,360 Speaker 1: I appreciate the realness because it's that, you know, there's 554 00:24:57,359 --> 00:24:58,920 Speaker 1: a couple of things that come to mind. The first 555 00:24:58,920 --> 00:25:01,440 Speaker 1: thing that comes to mind for me is always I'm 556 00:25:01,440 --> 00:25:04,679 Speaker 1: a Christiano Ronaldo fan through and through, Like if anyone 557 00:25:04,680 --> 00:25:07,000 Speaker 1: asks me see R seven or Messy, I'm see R 558 00:25:07,080 --> 00:25:09,879 Speaker 1: seven all the way. He's the example for me if 559 00:25:09,960 --> 00:25:13,879 Speaker 1: you can achieve everything and there'll still be fifty percent 560 00:25:13,960 --> 00:25:17,040 Speaker 1: of people who else better. Yeah, someone else is better, 561 00:25:17,040 --> 00:25:18,920 Speaker 1: and not even just better. They think you're not even 562 00:25:19,000 --> 00:25:22,280 Speaker 1: in the conversation, Like there's a fifty percent of people 563 00:25:22,280 --> 00:25:23,959 Speaker 1: who will be like, well, Cer seven doesn't even make 564 00:25:24,000 --> 00:25:27,760 Speaker 1: it into the top two conversation. And it's bizarre that 565 00:25:27,920 --> 00:25:29,720 Speaker 1: you can even feel that way, And so that I 566 00:25:29,760 --> 00:25:31,840 Speaker 1: look at it through that perspective where I'm like, this 567 00:25:31,960 --> 00:25:36,760 Speaker 1: guy's won everything. He's inspired pretty much every next generation 568 00:25:36,880 --> 00:25:40,040 Speaker 1: of football players in the world. Yet there are people 569 00:25:40,080 --> 00:25:44,320 Speaker 1: who have an issue with him and blows my mind. 570 00:25:44,520 --> 00:25:46,560 Speaker 1: And then at the same time what you're talking about 571 00:25:46,640 --> 00:25:49,200 Speaker 1: the reality. I appreciate you saying I'm exhausted. It's hard, 572 00:25:50,080 --> 00:25:53,840 Speaker 1: you know. I remember an interview that Vanessa Bryant did 573 00:25:53,960 --> 00:25:58,480 Speaker 1: Kobe Bryant's wife, and she talked about how the only 574 00:25:58,600 --> 00:26:01,680 Speaker 1: thing that got Kobe to play when he was injured 575 00:26:02,359 --> 00:26:04,720 Speaker 1: or having an injury during a game was his love 576 00:26:04,720 --> 00:26:07,880 Speaker 1: for the fans, and he would say that this fan 577 00:26:08,200 --> 00:26:11,240 Speaker 1: paid to see me play, and if I don't play today, 578 00:26:12,080 --> 00:26:14,639 Speaker 1: then that fan may never be able to afford to 579 00:26:14,640 --> 00:26:17,080 Speaker 1: play again, and so I have to play. And so 580 00:26:17,160 --> 00:26:19,760 Speaker 1: he was playing for beyond him. It wasn't I've got 581 00:26:19,760 --> 00:26:21,960 Speaker 1: to play because I've got to win another ring. It's 582 00:26:22,000 --> 00:26:24,520 Speaker 1: really interesting to hear an athlete say I'm tired. It's 583 00:26:24,560 --> 00:26:29,000 Speaker 1: a tough gig. It's hard because I think we almost 584 00:26:29,080 --> 00:26:32,399 Speaker 1: want to believe that the best athletes don't feel that. 585 00:26:33,160 --> 00:26:35,480 Speaker 1: But that's not true. No, it's not true. 586 00:26:35,640 --> 00:26:38,199 Speaker 2: And I guess that period in twenty nineteen kind of 587 00:26:38,240 --> 00:26:41,240 Speaker 2: accelerated my exhort. Like if I had a bit of 588 00:26:41,240 --> 00:26:43,000 Speaker 2: a normal career and I flew under the radar, I 589 00:26:43,000 --> 00:26:45,080 Speaker 2: don't feel i'd feel this way, but those couple of 590 00:26:45,119 --> 00:26:47,480 Speaker 2: years really I think put a lot on my age. 591 00:26:47,520 --> 00:26:49,760 Speaker 2: Like I'm twenty eight, but I feel like I've traveled 592 00:26:49,760 --> 00:26:52,760 Speaker 2: to pretty much every country. I've seen cultures. You know, 593 00:26:52,800 --> 00:26:55,280 Speaker 2: I was traveling to countries when I was thirteen and 594 00:26:55,320 --> 00:26:58,000 Speaker 2: I saw what, you know, poverty was like it really 595 00:26:58,080 --> 00:27:01,000 Speaker 2: opened my eyes. And I guess those couple years accelerated 596 00:27:01,040 --> 00:27:03,640 Speaker 2: my almost pushed me to the end of my career 597 00:27:03,680 --> 00:27:06,439 Speaker 2: a bit earlier because I was just I felt that 598 00:27:06,480 --> 00:27:09,400 Speaker 2: way and I was so eternally hurting that I had 599 00:27:09,440 --> 00:27:11,639 Speaker 2: to play for more than myself. And that's why now 600 00:27:12,320 --> 00:27:14,399 Speaker 2: I do. I'm exhausted. When I train, I'm like, I 601 00:27:14,520 --> 00:27:16,920 Speaker 2: just I don't want people to watch this and say, okay, 602 00:27:17,000 --> 00:27:19,560 Speaker 2: soft or whatever, but it's just like it's just hard. 603 00:27:19,640 --> 00:27:20,240 Speaker 1: Like I am tired. 604 00:27:20,440 --> 00:27:23,400 Speaker 2: I'm tired of playing tennis, like it's more than going out. 605 00:27:23,480 --> 00:27:25,000 Speaker 2: Last year, I had the best year of my career 606 00:27:25,040 --> 00:27:27,679 Speaker 2: and I'm playing in front of millions of people. Stadium 607 00:27:27,720 --> 00:27:30,480 Speaker 2: has packed out, everyone's eyes on me. I don't know 608 00:27:30,520 --> 00:27:33,120 Speaker 2: if I'm an athlete loves that, but I'm a bit 609 00:27:33,359 --> 00:27:35,600 Speaker 2: to that. I feel like a circus animal a little bit. 610 00:27:35,640 --> 00:27:37,320 Speaker 2: I walk out there and like, oh, we just want 611 00:27:37,359 --> 00:27:39,600 Speaker 2: to see curiously something crazy, Like I'm sick of kind 612 00:27:39,640 --> 00:27:41,680 Speaker 2: of playing that role. I'm sick of playing like I 613 00:27:41,920 --> 00:27:43,760 Speaker 2: have to turn to completely different person and I don't 614 00:27:43,800 --> 00:27:44,120 Speaker 2: like that. 615 00:27:44,520 --> 00:27:48,600 Speaker 1: It's exhausting. Do you think when you come back, how 616 00:27:48,600 --> 00:27:51,040 Speaker 1: are you trying to figure out how you'll approach it differently? 617 00:27:51,080 --> 00:27:52,399 Speaker 1: Have you thought about that? Well? 618 00:27:52,400 --> 00:27:54,760 Speaker 2: I think now I've kind of come to peace with 619 00:27:54,840 --> 00:27:56,320 Speaker 2: I only want to play for about another one to 620 00:27:56,359 --> 00:27:59,160 Speaker 2: two years and be at the top and go down 621 00:27:59,160 --> 00:28:00,760 Speaker 2: my own terms, like I would hate to have another 622 00:28:00,800 --> 00:28:03,760 Speaker 2: surgery or anything like that. So I think I've still 623 00:28:03,800 --> 00:28:05,640 Speaker 2: got the ability to have a good one to two 624 00:28:05,720 --> 00:28:07,560 Speaker 2: years and then that's it. I think I'll be at 625 00:28:07,560 --> 00:28:11,320 Speaker 2: peace with everything I've achieved. And you're right, I'm gonna 626 00:28:11,320 --> 00:28:13,000 Speaker 2: have to just say, look to everyone out there who 627 00:28:13,000 --> 00:28:14,639 Speaker 2: wants me to play more, you're just gonna. 628 00:28:14,400 --> 00:28:18,560 Speaker 1: Have to be okay with me not playing anymore. Yeah, well, 629 00:28:18,600 --> 00:28:20,280 Speaker 1: people are trying to figure out whether you'll be playing 630 00:28:20,280 --> 00:28:23,359 Speaker 1: in December. Yeah, you're obviously, like you said, you're in 631 00:28:23,400 --> 00:28:26,399 Speaker 1: pain even when you stand up, Like, how do you 632 00:28:26,480 --> 00:28:29,240 Speaker 1: deal with that anxiety of like people want me to 633 00:28:29,240 --> 00:28:31,000 Speaker 1: play in December. I don't even know if I'll be better. 634 00:28:31,080 --> 00:28:33,000 Speaker 1: Yeat do I enter? How do you? 635 00:28:33,520 --> 00:28:35,920 Speaker 2: It's hard because you know I'm going to the gym, 636 00:28:36,000 --> 00:28:38,720 Speaker 2: I'm doing my rehab. You know, you might have something 637 00:28:38,920 --> 00:28:40,800 Speaker 2: seriously wrong with your body, and it takes time. Like 638 00:28:41,080 --> 00:28:43,040 Speaker 2: I'm only human. I'd love to be like a Novak 639 00:28:43,120 --> 00:28:45,760 Speaker 2: or someone that just is always healthy almost it seems 640 00:28:45,760 --> 00:28:50,680 Speaker 2: that way, but it takes months and months of you know, strength, consistency, 641 00:28:50,720 --> 00:28:53,120 Speaker 2: dealncy to get back to playing tennis at that high 642 00:28:53,240 --> 00:28:55,000 Speaker 2: level again. Like I don't want to get back on 643 00:28:55,040 --> 00:28:59,080 Speaker 2: tour and just play decent. I was competing for Grand Slams, 644 00:28:59,080 --> 00:29:01,200 Speaker 2: so I want to get back to that level, so 645 00:29:01,360 --> 00:29:03,520 Speaker 2: it might take you know, a bit more time. 646 00:29:03,760 --> 00:29:05,800 Speaker 1: Yeah, I want to go back a few things when 647 00:29:05,840 --> 00:29:08,160 Speaker 1: you were saying, like if you could take all your 648 00:29:08,200 --> 00:29:11,720 Speaker 1: haters out for dinner and hang with them. So imagine 649 00:29:11,880 --> 00:29:15,000 Speaker 1: we were at dinner, yeap, and all the haters are 650 00:29:15,000 --> 00:29:18,160 Speaker 1: here right now. What do you want them to know 651 00:29:18,280 --> 00:29:21,080 Speaker 1: about you? To understand you deeply? If you could say 652 00:29:21,320 --> 00:29:25,720 Speaker 1: three things to them to understand you more deeply and intently, 653 00:29:25,960 --> 00:29:28,880 Speaker 1: what would you genuinely at the heart want them to 654 00:29:28,920 --> 00:29:31,600 Speaker 1: know If if we had the flaw with them right now. 655 00:29:31,440 --> 00:29:32,840 Speaker 2: I guess I would. I would want to listen to 656 00:29:32,880 --> 00:29:34,640 Speaker 2: them more. I'd be like, why do you dislike me 657 00:29:34,680 --> 00:29:36,720 Speaker 2: so much? Because I feel like, when I'm reading all 658 00:29:36,720 --> 00:29:39,400 Speaker 2: these comments, they really truly don't like me, And I 659 00:29:39,400 --> 00:29:41,920 Speaker 2: feel like I don't dislike anyone that I don't know, 660 00:29:42,120 --> 00:29:45,560 Speaker 2: Like I just think it's ridiculous to have an opinion 661 00:29:45,680 --> 00:29:48,240 Speaker 2: or that person this one. I have no idea who 662 00:29:48,240 --> 00:29:50,520 Speaker 2: they are or how they are, So I would just 663 00:29:50,600 --> 00:29:52,200 Speaker 2: ask them like, why do you dislike me so much? 664 00:29:52,240 --> 00:29:54,200 Speaker 2: And then I would make them open up, and then 665 00:29:54,240 --> 00:29:56,920 Speaker 2: I guess because I think, for instance, I use my 666 00:29:56,920 --> 00:29:59,440 Speaker 2: girlfriend as an example, so my reputation in Australia is 667 00:29:59,480 --> 00:30:04,800 Speaker 2: like Eric, he's crazy, he's volatile, and having those three things. 668 00:30:04,840 --> 00:30:07,040 Speaker 2: When you're meeting a person for the first time, they've 669 00:30:07,040 --> 00:30:10,320 Speaker 2: probably three pretty rough things to like already assume if someone. 670 00:30:10,880 --> 00:30:13,040 Speaker 2: So I had to prove every time I meet someone new, 671 00:30:13,040 --> 00:30:15,480 Speaker 2: I have to kind of prove to them that's not me. 672 00:30:16,160 --> 00:30:18,800 Speaker 2: And so I asked them what was the first three 673 00:30:18,800 --> 00:30:21,000 Speaker 2: things you came to mind? And then she told me 674 00:30:21,040 --> 00:30:24,240 Speaker 2: those three things. And so that's how everyone in the 675 00:30:24,240 --> 00:30:26,520 Speaker 2: world that hasn't met me before assumes I am. And 676 00:30:26,560 --> 00:30:29,520 Speaker 2: that's that's pretty brutal, like how those three things are. 677 00:30:29,800 --> 00:30:30,440 Speaker 1: They're terrible. 678 00:30:30,720 --> 00:30:33,000 Speaker 2: I don't hang around with one person that is arrogant 679 00:30:33,360 --> 00:30:37,840 Speaker 2: or volatile or crazy, so I think, and she just 680 00:30:37,880 --> 00:30:39,720 Speaker 2: spent time, like two times with me, and then she's like, 681 00:30:39,720 --> 00:30:42,320 Speaker 2: you're like completely different to how the media paints you 682 00:30:42,360 --> 00:30:44,680 Speaker 2: out to be. So I guess every hater just thinks 683 00:30:44,720 --> 00:30:47,320 Speaker 2: something like that. I'm assuming, so I would just try 684 00:30:47,320 --> 00:30:50,120 Speaker 2: and prove that I'm not like that, but it's it's 685 00:30:50,320 --> 00:30:51,440 Speaker 2: it's so hard. 686 00:30:53,240 --> 00:30:56,200 Speaker 1: This segment about inspiring creativity is brought to you by 687 00:30:56,280 --> 00:31:00,200 Speaker 1: AT and T. AT and T believes connecting changes everything. 688 00:31:00,600 --> 00:31:02,920 Speaker 1: When we talk about innovation in the workplace. There is 689 00:31:02,960 --> 00:31:07,400 Speaker 1: this misconception that notifications and the constant stimulation from technology 690 00:31:07,760 --> 00:31:11,840 Speaker 1: hinder creativity, but research suggests that being connected digitally in 691 00:31:11,880 --> 00:31:16,120 Speaker 1: fact enhances your creativity and productivity at work. Personally, I'm 692 00:31:16,160 --> 00:31:19,840 Speaker 1: a big believer in having various modalities of communication. 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These tools faster an environment 711 00:32:17,480 --> 00:32:22,560 Speaker 1: where ideas flow freely, facilitating diverse perspectives and innovative solutions. 712 00:32:23,160 --> 00:32:25,640 Speaker 1: You have immediate access to information when you need a 713 00:32:25,640 --> 00:32:29,000 Speaker 1: problem solve. It means you can tackle challenges super quickly, 714 00:32:29,240 --> 00:32:32,000 Speaker 1: helping your team sort things out fast and without any hassle. 715 00:32:32,080 --> 00:32:34,239 Speaker 1: I love googling, Hey, what did this company do to 716 00:32:34,240 --> 00:32:37,160 Speaker 1: solve this problem? How did this company invent this idea? 717 00:32:37,200 --> 00:32:39,760 Speaker 1: And being able to learn about it immediately. You can 718 00:32:39,840 --> 00:32:45,200 Speaker 1: use a variety of tools to spark creativity, tools like chat, GPT, Coggle, Poplar, 719 00:32:45,320 --> 00:32:47,840 Speaker 1: and mind mysterff. 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They're 726 00:33:10,480 --> 00:33:13,080 Speaker 1: like the glue that holds our communication together at work. 727 00:33:13,360 --> 00:33:16,360 Speaker 1: These apps keep us in sync, making team work smooth 728 00:33:16,560 --> 00:33:19,080 Speaker 1: and giving us quick solutions when we need the most. 729 00:33:19,520 --> 00:33:21,360 Speaker 1: This has been brought to you by AT and T. 730 00:33:21,840 --> 00:33:26,160 Speaker 1: AT and T believes connecting inspires, unites heels, and helps 731 00:33:26,200 --> 00:33:29,600 Speaker 1: us grow. Connecting changes how we live our lives for 732 00:33:29,680 --> 00:33:33,000 Speaker 1: the better. How did she give you the time of 733 00:33:33,120 --> 00:33:36,320 Speaker 1: day to make you believe that? Because, like you said, 734 00:33:36,320 --> 00:33:38,440 Speaker 1: for a lot of people and you've been together for 735 00:33:38,480 --> 00:33:38,920 Speaker 1: a bit now. 736 00:33:38,920 --> 00:33:40,360 Speaker 2: Yeah, two years now coming up. 737 00:33:40,400 --> 00:33:41,920 Speaker 1: But you know, I just bought a mirror off a 738 00:33:41,920 --> 00:33:42,440 Speaker 1: small company. 739 00:33:42,440 --> 00:33:44,600 Speaker 2: It was just excuses, you know, just an excuse of 740 00:33:44,600 --> 00:33:46,320 Speaker 2: how am I going to get her to just give 741 00:33:46,360 --> 00:33:48,960 Speaker 2: me the chance. And I feel like these people that 742 00:33:49,040 --> 00:33:51,360 Speaker 2: hate me or don't like how I go about things, 743 00:33:51,440 --> 00:33:52,800 Speaker 2: they just they won't even give me a chance. They 744 00:33:52,800 --> 00:33:56,000 Speaker 2: won't even listen because they think that I'm crazy. 745 00:33:57,080 --> 00:33:59,520 Speaker 1: And do you think you just you just started playing 746 00:33:59,520 --> 00:34:01,800 Speaker 1: the character at one point like that, Yeah. 747 00:34:01,640 --> 00:34:03,360 Speaker 2: Well that's you know, at the end of the day, 748 00:34:04,520 --> 00:34:06,440 Speaker 2: you know, money is important. So I knew that that 749 00:34:06,600 --> 00:34:09,600 Speaker 2: Nick could that's the one that everyone wanted. They didn't 750 00:34:09,600 --> 00:34:11,759 Speaker 2: give they didn't care about how I actually was. They 751 00:34:11,800 --> 00:34:13,799 Speaker 2: just wanted that one. Like brands just wanted to work 752 00:34:13,840 --> 00:34:16,200 Speaker 2: with that one. Wow, And that was hard. Like I 753 00:34:16,239 --> 00:34:19,040 Speaker 2: was like every time I do something brand wise earlier 754 00:34:19,080 --> 00:34:20,160 Speaker 2: in my career, I was exhausted. 755 00:34:20,160 --> 00:34:20,560 Speaker 1: I got home. 756 00:34:20,560 --> 00:34:22,319 Speaker 2: I was like, thank God, that's over so I could 757 00:34:22,320 --> 00:34:25,440 Speaker 2: just be myself again, and I'd meet people and they 758 00:34:25,480 --> 00:34:26,120 Speaker 2: would just want that. 759 00:34:26,960 --> 00:34:28,719 Speaker 1: And how did you know that? Were there people in 760 00:34:28,760 --> 00:34:32,400 Speaker 1: your like vicinity like telling you that or like because 761 00:34:32,400 --> 00:34:38,760 Speaker 1: that's fascinating, right, Like the construction of talent is something 762 00:34:38,800 --> 00:34:41,880 Speaker 1: that I think the average person is so separated from. 763 00:34:41,880 --> 00:34:44,960 Speaker 1: Like when I moved to LA five years ago, and 764 00:34:45,200 --> 00:34:47,520 Speaker 1: I coach and work with so many different people in 765 00:34:47,560 --> 00:34:51,480 Speaker 1: different parts of whether it's music, acting, athletes, and you 766 00:34:51,520 --> 00:34:55,480 Speaker 1: start recognizing how their management and their teams want them 767 00:34:55,520 --> 00:34:58,040 Speaker 1: to be a certain persona. Whether it's like you've got 768 00:34:58,080 --> 00:35:01,319 Speaker 1: to show that you're single because otherwise people, you know, 769 00:35:01,400 --> 00:35:03,160 Speaker 1: people won't be into you if if you have a 770 00:35:03,480 --> 00:35:06,560 Speaker 1: long term relationship, or you've got to be this way 771 00:35:06,680 --> 00:35:08,400 Speaker 1: so that this brand will want to work with you. 772 00:35:08,440 --> 00:35:10,719 Speaker 1: How much of that was in your ear? Were you 773 00:35:10,760 --> 00:35:12,759 Speaker 1: hearing things like that or was it more in your 774 00:35:12,760 --> 00:35:13,240 Speaker 1: own mind? 775 00:35:13,400 --> 00:35:15,640 Speaker 2: It was more in my own mind. I think, you know, 776 00:35:15,840 --> 00:35:18,040 Speaker 2: my team now have only ever wanted me to be 777 00:35:18,040 --> 00:35:21,239 Speaker 2: happy and be myself, And I know that that's why 778 00:35:21,280 --> 00:35:23,040 Speaker 2: I keep them around. I have a really small circle. 779 00:35:23,080 --> 00:35:26,000 Speaker 2: But I knew that brands just that I knew that 780 00:35:26,040 --> 00:35:29,480 Speaker 2: they wanted that nick And that's it's sad in a 781 00:35:29,480 --> 00:35:32,360 Speaker 2: way because they don't even want to get to know me, 782 00:35:32,600 --> 00:35:34,719 Speaker 2: like as me as a person, Like we wouldn't even 783 00:35:34,880 --> 00:35:37,120 Speaker 2: sit down and have this conversation with They just wanted 784 00:35:37,120 --> 00:35:38,520 Speaker 2: me to be that the one they see on the 785 00:35:38,520 --> 00:35:40,480 Speaker 2: court like be the entertaining one. And it's like, I'm 786 00:35:40,480 --> 00:35:40,880 Speaker 2: not like that. 787 00:35:41,239 --> 00:35:42,080 Speaker 1: I'm very chilled out. 788 00:35:42,840 --> 00:35:45,680 Speaker 2: And yeah, I just I feel like most people just 789 00:35:45,680 --> 00:35:46,439 Speaker 2: want to make that one. 790 00:35:46,880 --> 00:35:49,520 Speaker 1: Yeah, because it sells tickets. Of course, gets attention, it 791 00:35:49,600 --> 00:35:52,360 Speaker 1: gets the headlines, it makes a moment out of it. 792 00:35:53,080 --> 00:35:55,279 Speaker 1: When was when was the day where you felt you 793 00:35:55,360 --> 00:35:58,600 Speaker 1: played that character really well? Like when would you say, 794 00:35:58,640 --> 00:36:00,600 Speaker 1: You're like, you know what, that was the best acting 795 00:36:00,640 --> 00:36:02,640 Speaker 1: gig I ever did? Where last year at the US 796 00:36:02,719 --> 00:36:03,359 Speaker 1: Open was good? 797 00:36:03,440 --> 00:36:05,760 Speaker 2: Like Arthur ash Stadium in New York is the biggest 798 00:36:05,960 --> 00:36:08,320 Speaker 2: stadium that we have, and it's crazy. You go in, 799 00:36:08,840 --> 00:36:10,319 Speaker 2: you go to the back and you look up as 800 00:36:10,360 --> 00:36:11,920 Speaker 2: on the plane, it's just like a wall of people 801 00:36:12,040 --> 00:36:13,719 Speaker 2: just like glaring down at you. And that's the cool 802 00:36:13,760 --> 00:36:16,239 Speaker 2: thing about tennis. There's no where to hide, like if 803 00:36:16,239 --> 00:36:17,640 Speaker 2: you're playing it, if having a bad day, you can't 804 00:36:17,640 --> 00:36:20,400 Speaker 2: stub out. There's no one to play your position, so 805 00:36:20,480 --> 00:36:22,680 Speaker 2: you're just there. And I just feel like New York 806 00:36:22,719 --> 00:36:24,680 Speaker 2: and the Americans, I feel extremely at homie. I feel 807 00:36:24,680 --> 00:36:26,920 Speaker 2: like they really do enjoy when you put on a 808 00:36:26,920 --> 00:36:29,040 Speaker 2: show and you do some crazy stuff out there. So 809 00:36:29,880 --> 00:36:31,640 Speaker 2: every time I was stepping out on that court, it 810 00:36:31,719 --> 00:36:34,040 Speaker 2: was like in like five minutes before I was in 811 00:36:34,040 --> 00:36:36,680 Speaker 2: the locker room. I was like, Okay, I gotta be 812 00:36:36,880 --> 00:36:39,279 Speaker 2: more of that nick tonight because I do appreciate the 813 00:36:39,280 --> 00:36:41,759 Speaker 2: love that the American fans do give me. But yeah, 814 00:36:41,800 --> 00:36:43,560 Speaker 2: every match was a bit of a was a bit 815 00:36:43,600 --> 00:36:44,000 Speaker 2: of a show. 816 00:36:44,400 --> 00:36:46,719 Speaker 1: Do you feel differently about different places around the world 817 00:36:46,760 --> 00:36:49,200 Speaker 1: you've traveled? Of course, as a tennis player you travel everywhere. 818 00:36:49,600 --> 00:36:52,520 Speaker 1: How do you feel like when you're in Australia versus 819 00:36:52,560 --> 00:36:54,960 Speaker 1: when you're in the UK versus when you're in the US, Like, 820 00:36:55,440 --> 00:36:58,680 Speaker 1: walk me through the differences you experience as a player 821 00:36:58,719 --> 00:37:01,600 Speaker 1: in the media and everything else. Australia, I hate playing 822 00:37:01,640 --> 00:37:02,319 Speaker 1: in Australia. 823 00:37:02,440 --> 00:37:04,960 Speaker 2: Like that's gonna if you're going to air this, obviously, 824 00:37:05,040 --> 00:37:08,040 Speaker 2: that's gonna people think that. Like most Australians love playing 825 00:37:08,040 --> 00:37:10,719 Speaker 2: in Australia. But there was one kind of moment that 826 00:37:10,840 --> 00:37:14,400 Speaker 2: ruined it for me. I was playing second round of 827 00:37:14,440 --> 00:37:16,440 Speaker 2: the Australian Open. I had some match points, was like 828 00:37:16,440 --> 00:37:18,680 Speaker 2: a four and a half hour match and I'd lost. 829 00:37:18,760 --> 00:37:19,560 Speaker 1: I lost second round. 830 00:37:19,560 --> 00:37:22,120 Speaker 2: I remember getting booed off the court in Melbourne and 831 00:37:22,600 --> 00:37:24,160 Speaker 2: that was one of the worst feelings for me because 832 00:37:24,160 --> 00:37:27,400 Speaker 2: I remember after that match, I was I locked myself 833 00:37:27,440 --> 00:37:30,160 Speaker 2: in the physio room with my physio and there were 834 00:37:30,200 --> 00:37:31,799 Speaker 2: just people knocking it on the door, like I had 835 00:37:31,840 --> 00:37:33,200 Speaker 2: to do media, I had to do this, and I 836 00:37:33,239 --> 00:37:34,600 Speaker 2: was just I turn the lights off, and I was 837 00:37:34,640 --> 00:37:37,759 Speaker 2: just so overwhelmed, like I'd given my absolute all in 838 00:37:37,760 --> 00:37:40,719 Speaker 2: front of my fans for four hours and I lost 839 00:37:40,719 --> 00:37:42,440 Speaker 2: the match and I just got boot off the court. 840 00:37:43,239 --> 00:37:45,520 Speaker 2: And for me, that really ruined. That put a sour 841 00:37:45,600 --> 00:37:47,080 Speaker 2: taste in my mouth playing in Australia. And I know 842 00:37:47,200 --> 00:37:49,560 Speaker 2: now like I've had some great results in Australia and 843 00:37:49,560 --> 00:37:51,479 Speaker 2: they have been behind me, but I don't forget things 844 00:37:51,520 --> 00:37:54,000 Speaker 2: like that. I feel like if I loved someone and 845 00:37:54,080 --> 00:37:56,360 Speaker 2: I understood the effort and the hours I put in, 846 00:37:56,360 --> 00:37:58,399 Speaker 2: I would never do that. I'd never go off one 847 00:37:58,400 --> 00:38:01,960 Speaker 2: of my hometown heroes. So and that's why I guess 848 00:38:02,040 --> 00:38:04,400 Speaker 2: it's affected my relationship with Australia, you know, playing for 849 00:38:04,440 --> 00:38:08,000 Speaker 2: the country. It's because I've been battered in the media there, 850 00:38:08,040 --> 00:38:10,920 Speaker 2: like they've said some horrible things, like there are some 851 00:38:11,000 --> 00:38:12,960 Speaker 2: Australian legends that have told me and my family to 852 00:38:13,000 --> 00:38:15,440 Speaker 2: go back to where we come from, and I just 853 00:38:15,440 --> 00:38:17,480 Speaker 2: don't forget things like that. I've had Layton Hewett call 854 00:38:17,560 --> 00:38:18,879 Speaker 2: me on my phone and say, why don't you want 855 00:38:18,880 --> 00:38:21,719 Speaker 2: to play for the country? Everyone here once you're here, 856 00:38:21,719 --> 00:38:24,480 Speaker 2: and it's like, yeah, but I No other player in 857 00:38:24,520 --> 00:38:27,040 Speaker 2: the in the country has dealt with the backlash or 858 00:38:27,040 --> 00:38:29,960 Speaker 2: the negativity towards their family. Their girlf like me, like 859 00:38:30,000 --> 00:38:32,960 Speaker 2: that that hurt. So I guess playing in Australia for me, 860 00:38:33,000 --> 00:38:35,319 Speaker 2: I don't. I don't really like London. I just don't 861 00:38:35,320 --> 00:38:38,480 Speaker 2: fit it there at all. Like Wimbledon, it's a crazy feeling. 862 00:38:38,480 --> 00:38:41,200 Speaker 2: It's like the documentary said, it's like a snowman in 863 00:38:41,200 --> 00:38:41,560 Speaker 2: the desert. 864 00:38:41,640 --> 00:38:42,279 Speaker 1: It literally is. 865 00:38:42,320 --> 00:38:44,680 Speaker 2: I walk around there, everyone's like, oh my god, he's 866 00:38:44,680 --> 00:38:46,680 Speaker 2: wearing like a I could be wearing like an anime shirt. 867 00:38:46,680 --> 00:38:48,600 Speaker 2: They're like, oh the good he's wearing. Everything I do 868 00:38:48,640 --> 00:38:51,480 Speaker 2: there is like under a microscope. And that's a that's 869 00:38:51,520 --> 00:38:53,720 Speaker 2: a cool feeling. I guess Novak would kind of understand 870 00:38:53,719 --> 00:38:55,480 Speaker 2: what that feels like too. Is like the villain, you know, 871 00:38:55,520 --> 00:38:57,200 Speaker 2: it's like no one wants to see you win, no 872 00:38:57,200 --> 00:38:59,720 Speaker 2: one's and you made the finals. Yeah, people like peers 873 00:38:59,760 --> 00:39:03,279 Speaker 2: more and just throwing absolute venom at you. And that's 874 00:39:03,280 --> 00:39:05,160 Speaker 2: why I feel I love playing the US so because 875 00:39:05,239 --> 00:39:07,160 Speaker 2: I feel, wow, this is at home. Like the energy 876 00:39:07,200 --> 00:39:10,560 Speaker 2: is amazing and they bring that energy that I have 877 00:39:10,680 --> 00:39:13,880 Speaker 2: and I love playing there. So Yeah, Australia and England 878 00:39:13,880 --> 00:39:16,839 Speaker 2: are a bit I don't like playing there, but US 879 00:39:16,880 --> 00:39:17,319 Speaker 2: I love it. 880 00:39:17,600 --> 00:39:19,279 Speaker 1: Yeah good, Yeah, I love Asia as well. 881 00:39:19,360 --> 00:39:20,400 Speaker 2: Asia is amazing Asia too. 882 00:39:20,480 --> 00:39:20,680 Speaker 1: Yeah. 883 00:39:20,800 --> 00:39:23,320 Speaker 2: They just think Asia just love entertainment. They love something 884 00:39:23,320 --> 00:39:25,960 Speaker 2: different and they're respectful, you know that. I think they 885 00:39:26,000 --> 00:39:28,399 Speaker 2: get to think that people are different there. But yeah, 886 00:39:28,440 --> 00:39:29,879 Speaker 2: I love I love playing Asia as well. 887 00:39:30,080 --> 00:39:31,680 Speaker 1: What would have changed if you were allowed to be 888 00:39:31,800 --> 00:39:36,960 Speaker 1: nice guy Nick from the beginning, like and people perceived 889 00:39:36,960 --> 00:39:38,879 Speaker 1: you as you actually are? Like, how do you think 890 00:39:38,880 --> 00:39:42,040 Speaker 1: that would have impacted your game, your career, the work. 891 00:39:42,360 --> 00:39:44,319 Speaker 2: Well, the first five years of my career, I was 892 00:39:44,320 --> 00:39:46,879 Speaker 2: almost impossible to get any sort of deal with anyone. 893 00:39:46,560 --> 00:39:48,640 Speaker 1: Because they just thought I was volatile, crazy. 894 00:39:48,440 --> 00:39:51,719 Speaker 2: Anyone representing their brand. Where I feel like if they 895 00:39:51,760 --> 00:39:55,319 Speaker 2: knew how I was and actually like a nice guy, 896 00:39:55,719 --> 00:39:57,520 Speaker 2: that would have helped, would have would have made a 897 00:39:57,560 --> 00:39:59,799 Speaker 2: lot more money. I probably would have been more at 898 00:39:59,800 --> 00:40:02,440 Speaker 2: peace with people actually knowing that I was a good guy, 899 00:40:02,520 --> 00:40:04,320 Speaker 2: because for a minute there, I thought the whole world 900 00:40:04,320 --> 00:40:06,839 Speaker 2: thought that I was just a terrible person. I feel 901 00:40:06,840 --> 00:40:08,640 Speaker 2: like it would have helped me. I definitely don't think 902 00:40:08,640 --> 00:40:10,239 Speaker 2: I would have fell into that dark period of my 903 00:40:10,280 --> 00:40:12,279 Speaker 2: life as well. But coversely, I don't want to that. 904 00:40:12,360 --> 00:40:15,520 Speaker 2: I don't want to change that because that makes me 905 00:40:15,520 --> 00:40:17,560 Speaker 2: who I am today. Obviously, I know everyone kind of 906 00:40:17,600 --> 00:40:19,960 Speaker 2: says that, but when I opened up on social media 907 00:40:19,960 --> 00:40:22,560 Speaker 2: about it, the amount of people that now open up 908 00:40:22,560 --> 00:40:24,880 Speaker 2: to me daily. I got people around the world that 909 00:40:25,120 --> 00:40:26,680 Speaker 2: you know, I give them my number, and I've had 910 00:40:26,719 --> 00:40:30,120 Speaker 2: phone calls with people and tried to articulate in a 911 00:40:30,120 --> 00:40:33,000 Speaker 2: way that it's okay, that's completely normal what you're going through, 912 00:40:33,440 --> 00:40:35,680 Speaker 2: but like, please keep reaching out to me, stay in 913 00:40:35,680 --> 00:40:36,319 Speaker 2: touch with me if you. 914 00:40:36,280 --> 00:40:36,919 Speaker 1: Need any help. 915 00:40:37,120 --> 00:40:38,839 Speaker 2: So that's been the most powerful thing in my career 916 00:40:38,840 --> 00:40:41,160 Speaker 2: at the end of the day, is helping others getting 917 00:40:41,200 --> 00:40:44,840 Speaker 2: through rough patches of their life. All the accomplishments, I 918 00:40:44,840 --> 00:40:46,040 Speaker 2: don't actually care about them. 919 00:40:46,080 --> 00:40:46,440 Speaker 1: I would. 920 00:40:46,560 --> 00:40:49,480 Speaker 2: I don't. All my people know. I don't ever sit 921 00:40:49,520 --> 00:40:51,120 Speaker 2: there and talk about what I've achieved, like I don't 922 00:40:51,120 --> 00:40:53,279 Speaker 2: really care about it. I think that's all a bit superficial. 923 00:40:53,320 --> 00:40:56,160 Speaker 2: But the platform that I have now is amazing what 924 00:40:56,200 --> 00:40:56,839 Speaker 2: I can do with it. 925 00:40:57,040 --> 00:41:01,360 Speaker 1: Yeah, it's interesting, isn't it. As a professional, we assume 926 00:41:01,520 --> 00:41:07,640 Speaker 1: that complete control is a demonstration of brilliance, when the 927 00:41:07,680 --> 00:41:11,200 Speaker 1: reality is that when you're playing something you love, it's 928 00:41:11,280 --> 00:41:14,960 Speaker 1: natural to be passionate. Yep, And like I think, I mean, 929 00:41:15,000 --> 00:41:17,120 Speaker 1: I'm not an athlete, but as in, even if I'm 930 00:41:17,120 --> 00:41:19,640 Speaker 1: playing football with my mates, if I missed a shot 931 00:41:20,160 --> 00:41:23,000 Speaker 1: or missus a penalty, I could take it very seriously. 932 00:41:23,840 --> 00:41:25,960 Speaker 1: And I don't see that's a sign of passion and 933 00:41:26,000 --> 00:41:28,520 Speaker 1: care and enthusiasm and energy. It's not a sign of 934 00:41:29,480 --> 00:41:31,879 Speaker 1: they're not caring or being angry at someone or being 935 00:41:31,920 --> 00:41:33,680 Speaker 1: mad at my mate. It's my mate. He's always going 936 00:41:33,719 --> 00:41:36,439 Speaker 1: to be my O. But in that moment, it's like, dude, 937 00:41:36,440 --> 00:41:38,080 Speaker 1: you should have put that penalty your way, right, And 938 00:41:38,719 --> 00:41:43,240 Speaker 1: but we've tried to make especially in tennis, it's almost 939 00:41:43,280 --> 00:41:48,400 Speaker 1: like there's no space for passion and personality, especially in tennis. 940 00:41:48,840 --> 00:41:50,719 Speaker 2: Yeah, it's a very look, it's a it's a white 941 00:41:50,760 --> 00:41:52,600 Speaker 2: privileged sport. So I was again, I was behind the 942 00:41:52,600 --> 00:41:54,239 Speaker 2: eight ball from the get go. You know, I was 943 00:41:54,840 --> 00:41:58,759 Speaker 2: colored had some you know, big personality war the emotion 944 00:41:58,840 --> 00:42:00,680 Speaker 2: of my slafe. So I was always trying to play 945 00:42:00,680 --> 00:42:02,839 Speaker 2: against so many more people than just so who was down. 946 00:42:03,040 --> 00:42:06,040 Speaker 2: Beating the best players in the world is already hard enough, 947 00:42:06,160 --> 00:42:08,960 Speaker 2: you know, the training every day, the diet, the discipline, 948 00:42:08,960 --> 00:42:11,120 Speaker 2: that was already hard. But me, it was like I 949 00:42:11,160 --> 00:42:14,239 Speaker 2: was playing against millions more people every. 950 00:42:14,000 --> 00:42:15,399 Speaker 1: Time I went out in the court. 951 00:42:15,440 --> 00:42:17,080 Speaker 2: And I think that's why I'm a bit more exhausted 952 00:42:17,080 --> 00:42:19,360 Speaker 2: than the average tennis player. Now, when someone goes out there, 953 00:42:20,120 --> 00:42:21,600 Speaker 2: they're not they're just playing against who's down on the 954 00:42:21,600 --> 00:42:21,880 Speaker 2: other end. 955 00:42:21,920 --> 00:42:23,080 Speaker 1: But I was playing against the media. 956 00:42:23,160 --> 00:42:25,520 Speaker 2: I was playing against because I knew that every little 957 00:42:25,560 --> 00:42:28,279 Speaker 2: thing I did was sunder such a microscope, and even 958 00:42:28,320 --> 00:42:29,920 Speaker 2: if I had a flawless match, was like, oh, that's 959 00:42:29,920 --> 00:42:31,719 Speaker 2: how it should be anyway. But then the minute I 960 00:42:31,760 --> 00:42:33,200 Speaker 2: did something bad, it was like, oh, here it is. 961 00:42:33,239 --> 00:42:35,640 Speaker 2: See that's his true colors. I was like, I couldn't win. 962 00:42:35,840 --> 00:42:39,200 Speaker 2: I actually couldn't win. And then if I was well 963 00:42:39,719 --> 00:42:42,840 Speaker 2: behaved and disciplined, it was like, oh no, I was boring. 964 00:42:43,239 --> 00:42:44,799 Speaker 1: So it's like, okay, which one do you want? 965 00:42:45,360 --> 00:42:47,760 Speaker 2: And That's how I've always felt like on the tennis 966 00:42:47,760 --> 00:42:50,439 Speaker 2: world that they did. They haven't embraced me, and that's 967 00:42:50,440 --> 00:42:52,440 Speaker 2: why I've got such a big chip on my shoulder 968 00:42:52,480 --> 00:42:54,840 Speaker 2: now with the tennis world, it's like I don't know 969 00:42:54,880 --> 00:42:58,920 Speaker 2: anyone anything anymore. So that's been the biggest It's just 970 00:42:58,960 --> 00:43:01,279 Speaker 2: been a whole contract like walking contradiction of my entire 971 00:43:01,440 --> 00:43:02,200 Speaker 2: my entire career. 972 00:43:02,360 --> 00:43:04,120 Speaker 1: It sounds like a lot to carry. 973 00:43:04,000 --> 00:43:05,960 Speaker 2: Yeah, it is, it is, And I think that's why 974 00:43:05,960 --> 00:43:08,040 Speaker 2: I fell into that dark space because I knew that 975 00:43:08,080 --> 00:43:09,600 Speaker 2: I couldn't win no matter what I did. 976 00:43:11,160 --> 00:43:15,719 Speaker 1: I wanted to show you this, Yeah, this one. Take 977 00:43:15,760 --> 00:43:20,200 Speaker 1: a look at that. It's from the Boss Open Still 978 00:43:20,239 --> 00:43:22,600 Speaker 1: Got June twenty twenty three. I believe. 979 00:43:24,960 --> 00:43:29,840 Speaker 2: Don't look happy. Yeah, And I was just oh, this 980 00:43:29,960 --> 00:43:32,040 Speaker 2: was when me coming off my knee injury and I 981 00:43:32,040 --> 00:43:35,799 Speaker 2: had a pretty pretty serious operation and I just knew 982 00:43:35,840 --> 00:43:41,640 Speaker 2: that physically I probably wasn't ready to go. And it's 983 00:43:41,640 --> 00:43:43,600 Speaker 2: hard because even when I don't play or you know, 984 00:43:43,640 --> 00:43:46,440 Speaker 2: even during COVID, the tennis world used me as a 985 00:43:46,560 --> 00:43:48,759 Speaker 2: kind of one of the key marketing points to keep 986 00:43:48,880 --> 00:43:51,120 Speaker 2: I guess the sport afloat whilst during that period, and 987 00:43:51,600 --> 00:43:53,279 Speaker 2: that's been one of the hardest things as well. It's 988 00:43:53,360 --> 00:43:56,680 Speaker 2: like from a sport that's given me so much negativity 989 00:43:56,719 --> 00:43:59,279 Speaker 2: and you know, kind of treated me like an outcast. 990 00:43:59,440 --> 00:44:01,799 Speaker 2: They still as you know, someone that they want to 991 00:44:02,280 --> 00:44:05,200 Speaker 2: you know, put on the front cover for you know, tickets, 992 00:44:05,239 --> 00:44:07,000 Speaker 2: so getting people to be there. So it's like, I 993 00:44:07,040 --> 00:44:08,680 Speaker 2: know that I just get traded so poorly in the 994 00:44:08,680 --> 00:44:11,080 Speaker 2: tennis world. It's like it just honestly, I look at 995 00:44:11,080 --> 00:44:13,400 Speaker 2: that phono, I just look like I'm just spent, like 996 00:44:13,440 --> 00:44:17,480 Speaker 2: I just so must there's just no energy there. And 997 00:44:17,520 --> 00:44:19,160 Speaker 2: it's sad because I'm just in front of a camera 998 00:44:19,239 --> 00:44:22,640 Speaker 2: doing another interview because the tournament needs it. Yet I 999 00:44:22,680 --> 00:44:24,480 Speaker 2: know that if I which I did, go on to 1000 00:44:24,560 --> 00:44:27,399 Speaker 2: lose that match, got got hate for it. 1001 00:44:27,480 --> 00:44:32,680 Speaker 1: So yeah, it's hard. It's hard, It really is. Are 1002 00:44:32,680 --> 00:44:35,920 Speaker 1: you trying to heal your relationship with tennis and the 1003 00:44:35,920 --> 00:44:40,080 Speaker 1: industry like for yourself in the sense of it almost 1004 00:44:40,080 --> 00:44:43,279 Speaker 1: feels like you have you carry there's validity to this 1005 00:44:43,360 --> 00:44:45,319 Speaker 1: of course, like you carry like a sense of like 1006 00:44:46,040 --> 00:44:51,080 Speaker 1: pain and stress and victimhood to the industry because there's 1007 00:44:51,120 --> 00:44:53,600 Speaker 1: been so much pain cause to you, is there any 1008 00:44:53,600 --> 00:44:55,239 Speaker 1: part of you that's trying to heal that so that 1009 00:44:55,280 --> 00:44:58,560 Speaker 1: you're not carrying that bitterness towards the industry. 1010 00:44:58,880 --> 00:45:01,680 Speaker 2: I think so much damage been done from I guess 1011 00:45:01,719 --> 00:45:03,239 Speaker 2: because when people ask me, like, if you had your 1012 00:45:03,239 --> 00:45:04,960 Speaker 2: time again, would you ever pick up a racket? And 1013 00:45:05,000 --> 00:45:07,440 Speaker 2: I genuinely have thought about it, and I don't think 1014 00:45:07,480 --> 00:45:09,279 Speaker 2: i'd ever play the sport, like I don't think i'd 1015 00:45:09,280 --> 00:45:10,719 Speaker 2: ever pick up a tennis rack. And that's such a 1016 00:45:10,719 --> 00:45:13,399 Speaker 2: scary thing because it's like my whole life has been 1017 00:45:13,400 --> 00:45:17,680 Speaker 2: built off tennis, and if I had this again, like 1018 00:45:17,760 --> 00:45:20,480 Speaker 2: to go again, I wouldn't play tennis. And I think 1019 00:45:20,520 --> 00:45:24,640 Speaker 2: that's that's so hard and it's so dark, like my 1020 00:45:24,719 --> 00:45:27,520 Speaker 2: whole life now revolves around what I've achieved on the court. 1021 00:45:27,560 --> 00:45:29,480 Speaker 2: But then if I could do it again, I wouldn't 1022 00:45:29,520 --> 00:45:31,799 Speaker 2: ever want to pick up a racket. And that is like, 1023 00:45:33,040 --> 00:45:35,759 Speaker 2: and I'm genuinely being honest, like I've had conversations with 1024 00:45:35,800 --> 00:45:38,560 Speaker 2: myself about it, but I don't think I can repair 1025 00:45:38,600 --> 00:45:42,520 Speaker 2: the damage that I guess the sports brought upon me 1026 00:45:42,760 --> 00:45:45,319 Speaker 2: and just anyone, like the amount of stress that has 1027 00:45:45,360 --> 00:45:47,880 Speaker 2: put on my family has you can't heal that, Like 1028 00:45:48,680 --> 00:45:50,759 Speaker 2: you know, about six months ago, someone came to my 1029 00:45:50,800 --> 00:45:53,759 Speaker 2: house with a gun and pointed at my mum to 1030 00:45:53,800 --> 00:45:56,719 Speaker 2: steal my car. And I never thought that i'd bring 1031 00:45:56,760 --> 00:45:59,000 Speaker 2: that up. Like I live in Australia, in a nice neighborhood, 1032 00:45:59,080 --> 00:46:02,200 Speaker 2: like where things like that don't happen, and it's just 1033 00:46:02,239 --> 00:46:04,120 Speaker 2: been hard, Like I never thought i'd deal with things 1034 00:46:04,120 --> 00:46:05,719 Speaker 2: like that, and like a trauma that my mum has 1035 00:46:05,760 --> 00:46:08,239 Speaker 2: now gone through, And yeah, I don't think I can 1036 00:46:08,320 --> 00:46:10,040 Speaker 2: repair my relationship with Tennis at all. 1037 00:46:10,719 --> 00:46:15,839 Speaker 1: Wow, I mean that's yeah, it's amazing that you've been 1038 00:46:15,880 --> 00:46:18,080 Speaker 1: able to kind of take care of yourself and your 1039 00:46:18,080 --> 00:46:21,080 Speaker 1: family and figure it out. Because a few years going 1040 00:46:21,080 --> 00:46:26,000 Speaker 1: intoview Dennis Rodman, and it was one of the toughest 1041 00:46:26,000 --> 00:46:29,480 Speaker 1: interviews I've ever done because he was in a really 1042 00:46:29,520 --> 00:46:33,160 Speaker 1: bad place at the time. I don't know him personally, 1043 00:46:33,200 --> 00:46:35,840 Speaker 1: so I don't know if he's better now or you know, 1044 00:46:35,880 --> 00:46:39,040 Speaker 1: where he's at. But all I remember was that in 1045 00:46:39,040 --> 00:46:42,560 Speaker 1: that interview he was like I asked him what his 1046 00:46:42,560 --> 00:46:46,239 Speaker 1: purpose in life was and he said, to survive another day. 1047 00:46:47,080 --> 00:46:49,040 Speaker 1: That's where he was at, And a lot of it 1048 00:46:49,080 --> 00:46:51,880 Speaker 1: was because of how he'd felt treated by the media, 1049 00:46:52,560 --> 00:46:56,200 Speaker 1: because he was like, you know, Dennis Rodman was everywhere 1050 00:46:56,280 --> 00:46:59,160 Speaker 1: when you know, not only was he successful on the court, 1051 00:46:59,200 --> 00:47:02,279 Speaker 1: but off the court, his whole life was documented in 1052 00:47:02,320 --> 00:47:05,640 Speaker 1: so many ways and he was the wild card too, 1053 00:47:05,719 --> 00:47:09,440 Speaker 1: like in his persona. And it's just fascinating to me, 1054 00:47:09,520 --> 00:47:13,760 Speaker 1: Like it's almost like until someone crashes or until someone burns, 1055 00:47:13,840 --> 00:47:19,040 Speaker 1: we don't realize how heavy media and like, I don't 1056 00:47:19,040 --> 00:47:23,279 Speaker 1: think our brains are wired for millions of opinions to 1057 00:47:23,400 --> 00:47:27,200 Speaker 1: write about us and our performance and our families and 1058 00:47:27,239 --> 00:47:30,400 Speaker 1: our life. And I think the amount of people that 1059 00:47:30,440 --> 00:47:33,040 Speaker 1: are now dealing with that today, who are in the 1060 00:47:33,080 --> 00:47:36,640 Speaker 1: spotlight constantly has only increased. There are more people in 1061 00:47:36,640 --> 00:47:41,040 Speaker 1: the spotlight, and there are more people criticizing people in 1062 00:47:41,080 --> 00:47:45,080 Speaker 1: the spotlight. And I don't think we've ever stopped to 1063 00:47:45,120 --> 00:47:50,240 Speaker 1: think about and when someone is as honest as you, 1064 00:47:50,239 --> 00:47:52,920 Speaker 1: you can only empathize to think, yeah, we don't realize 1065 00:47:52,920 --> 00:47:56,279 Speaker 1: the damage we're doing to people, because I don't think 1066 00:47:56,280 --> 00:47:59,759 Speaker 1: it's tennis that you're mad at as a sport, the activity, 1067 00:48:00,200 --> 00:48:02,560 Speaker 1: it's what comes with it, because what it sounds like 1068 00:48:02,600 --> 00:48:05,600 Speaker 1: to me, Yeah, it's not playing tennis, no, because I 1069 00:48:06,000 --> 00:48:06,319 Speaker 1: enjoy it. 1070 00:48:06,320 --> 00:48:07,880 Speaker 2: I think tennis is a great sport and everyone who 1071 00:48:07,920 --> 00:48:10,120 Speaker 2: plays it, I'm like it's I can see how it's enjoyable, 1072 00:48:10,160 --> 00:48:11,239 Speaker 2: and it's it's great for you. 1073 00:48:11,400 --> 00:48:12,080 Speaker 1: Yeah, it's more so. 1074 00:48:12,239 --> 00:48:15,520 Speaker 2: I think Kyrie Irving, you know, I love some of 1075 00:48:15,560 --> 00:48:17,160 Speaker 2: his stuff because he says, like I don't think people 1076 00:48:17,239 --> 00:48:21,399 Speaker 2: understand words can actually hurt someone a lot. And I've 1077 00:48:21,440 --> 00:48:23,360 Speaker 2: told I had I've said the exact same thing, like 1078 00:48:24,280 --> 00:48:27,520 Speaker 2: fame and social media, it's all man made, like it's 1079 00:48:28,120 --> 00:48:30,640 Speaker 2: someone's not supposed to deal, like supposed to wake up 1080 00:48:30,760 --> 00:48:34,359 Speaker 2: and then see such negativity feed into their brain constantly 1081 00:48:34,840 --> 00:48:38,760 Speaker 2: every day, and like, how how do you expect someone 1082 00:48:38,800 --> 00:48:43,920 Speaker 2: to just perform or just survive with that much negativity? 1083 00:48:43,960 --> 00:48:47,040 Speaker 2: And I have conversations Obviously you wouldn't understand, but I 1084 00:48:47,080 --> 00:48:49,400 Speaker 2: have conversations with some of my friends about it. No 1085 00:48:49,400 --> 00:48:53,200 Speaker 2: one can understand that because it's like it's not normal, 1086 00:48:53,280 --> 00:48:55,520 Speaker 2: like you're not supposed to see all that negativity, you're 1087 00:48:55,520 --> 00:48:56,600 Speaker 2: not supposed to deal with it. 1088 00:48:56,640 --> 00:48:58,560 Speaker 1: And I don't know. I guess I've kind of run 1089 00:48:58,600 --> 00:49:01,799 Speaker 1: out of answers or solutions as to how do you 1090 00:49:01,840 --> 00:49:02,279 Speaker 1: deal with that? 1091 00:49:02,320 --> 00:49:03,840 Speaker 2: Like, yeah, you can speak to people about it, but 1092 00:49:04,440 --> 00:49:07,560 Speaker 2: it's so overwhelming, and how do you stop it? And 1093 00:49:07,600 --> 00:49:10,360 Speaker 2: you're right, until someone really crashes and burns. Then you're like, 1094 00:49:10,520 --> 00:49:12,800 Speaker 2: I think we push it too far, but that's human nature. 1095 00:49:12,840 --> 00:49:16,120 Speaker 2: We all take things for granted and we all don't 1096 00:49:16,320 --> 00:49:20,279 Speaker 2: understand our actions until you know there's a reaction. But yeah, 1097 00:49:20,280 --> 00:49:22,320 Speaker 2: I mean, I don't like to word it in this 1098 00:49:22,600 --> 00:49:25,840 Speaker 2: sense that I'm just surviving. Every day, I'm just surviving, 1099 00:49:25,920 --> 00:49:28,120 Speaker 2: but it does feel like that for me, Like that's 1100 00:49:28,120 --> 00:49:30,320 Speaker 2: why everything's a bonus. Like if I'm here tomorrow and 1101 00:49:30,320 --> 00:49:32,560 Speaker 2: I'm enjoying it, I'm eating Chipotle and I'm going to 1102 00:49:32,560 --> 00:49:35,520 Speaker 2: watch a Lakers game or a Clippers game, like that's amazing, 1103 00:49:35,680 --> 00:49:37,440 Speaker 2: Like that's awesome. I never thought that I'd still be 1104 00:49:37,480 --> 00:49:41,600 Speaker 2: here doing those things. But obviously Dennis just couldn't obviously 1105 00:49:41,719 --> 00:49:44,000 Speaker 2: articulate any other way, Like that's how it is. That's 1106 00:49:44,000 --> 00:49:46,480 Speaker 2: how it feels like at times, and just a bit 1107 00:49:46,560 --> 00:49:49,680 Speaker 2: dark to say it like that, but yeah, but I 1108 00:49:49,680 --> 00:49:51,640 Speaker 2: guess that's just what it feels like for me half 1109 00:49:51,680 --> 00:49:52,400 Speaker 2: the time as well. 1110 00:49:52,640 --> 00:49:54,680 Speaker 1: What I'm saying is amazing that you've been able to 1111 00:49:54,840 --> 00:49:59,000 Speaker 1: be more upbeat and kind of positive, and I hope 1112 00:49:59,040 --> 00:50:03,160 Speaker 1: you keep finding that because just from the few moments 1113 00:50:03,200 --> 00:50:05,200 Speaker 1: we spent it, I could tell you like having a 1114 00:50:05,239 --> 00:50:07,759 Speaker 1: good time. You're like smiling, you're like laughing, you like, 1115 00:50:07,840 --> 00:50:10,719 Speaker 1: you know, like there's a positive energy that surrounds you 1116 00:50:10,760 --> 00:50:13,520 Speaker 1: from the moment you walked into my home today. And 1117 00:50:13,560 --> 00:50:16,520 Speaker 1: I hope you always hold on to that because you 1118 00:50:16,680 --> 00:50:19,719 Speaker 1: have that natural ability to make people feel good and 1119 00:50:20,280 --> 00:50:22,200 Speaker 1: have a positive energy. And I hope you never lose 1120 00:50:22,280 --> 00:50:25,279 Speaker 1: that because it is seems to be who naturally who 1121 00:50:25,320 --> 00:50:28,440 Speaker 1: you are. It's so easy to go down the other track. 1122 00:50:28,719 --> 00:50:30,840 Speaker 1: How have you managed though with your relationship too, Like, 1123 00:50:30,840 --> 00:50:33,319 Speaker 1: obviously quite public about your relationship, Like, how have you 1124 00:50:33,360 --> 00:50:36,000 Speaker 1: managed to maintain that in a positive way as well? 1125 00:50:36,520 --> 00:50:39,000 Speaker 1: Because that seems to be a positive part of your life, 1126 00:50:39,040 --> 00:50:41,359 Speaker 1: a part of your life. You like sharing a lot 1127 00:50:41,400 --> 00:50:42,920 Speaker 1: of part of your life that you're talking about earlier, 1128 00:50:43,400 --> 00:50:46,160 Speaker 1: But having a relationship in the spotlight is very challenging. 1129 00:50:46,719 --> 00:50:48,040 Speaker 1: So how have you managed to keep that in the 1130 00:50:48,080 --> 00:50:49,760 Speaker 1: spotlight but then also keep it positive? 1131 00:50:50,080 --> 00:50:52,839 Speaker 2: Well, it's very like that just comes from experience as well. 1132 00:50:52,880 --> 00:50:56,120 Speaker 2: I've had relationships prior that you know, were toxic and 1133 00:50:56,120 --> 00:50:58,600 Speaker 2: they didn't ended up going well. And I think the 1134 00:50:58,640 --> 00:51:00,680 Speaker 2: thing I love about my relationship now have such strong 1135 00:51:00,719 --> 00:51:03,799 Speaker 2: boundaries and respect for each other like we don't, and 1136 00:51:04,239 --> 00:51:07,880 Speaker 2: with social media and relationships in general, like boundaries can 1137 00:51:07,920 --> 00:51:10,000 Speaker 2: be a bit soft. And I think, you know, I 1138 00:51:10,080 --> 00:51:11,840 Speaker 2: come from a background where my parents have been together 1139 00:51:11,880 --> 00:51:15,240 Speaker 2: for nearly forty years and they're you know, they're still 1140 00:51:15,480 --> 00:51:17,680 Speaker 2: they argue and they joke with each other. They get 1141 00:51:17,680 --> 00:51:19,120 Speaker 2: each other's nerves, and you know, I spoke to my 1142 00:51:19,200 --> 00:51:21,680 Speaker 2: mom about her she goes, patience is the biggest thing 1143 00:51:21,680 --> 00:51:24,600 Speaker 2: in a relationship where communication and patience, And I think, 1144 00:51:25,560 --> 00:51:27,799 Speaker 2: like my girlfriend's a bit more, a bit younger than 1145 00:51:27,840 --> 00:51:30,399 Speaker 2: I am, but we've we've sat down, we've we've set 1146 00:51:30,400 --> 00:51:32,319 Speaker 2: our boundaries and respect for each other. And I think 1147 00:51:32,320 --> 00:51:35,160 Speaker 2: that's why it works, because we understand that I being 1148 00:51:35,239 --> 00:51:37,960 Speaker 2: in the spotlight's brutal. Like for relationships, there's always when 1149 00:51:38,000 --> 00:51:40,359 Speaker 2: people trying to tear you down, send a message here 1150 00:51:40,440 --> 00:51:42,680 Speaker 2: or there, like even liking a folk, like these types 1151 00:51:42,719 --> 00:51:44,960 Speaker 2: of things, and I've now realized that I have to 1152 00:51:45,000 --> 00:51:48,200 Speaker 2: be diligent with these things because it's a respect thing. 1153 00:51:48,280 --> 00:51:50,560 Speaker 2: Like on social media, I guess that's like who you 1154 00:51:50,640 --> 00:51:52,480 Speaker 2: are in today's n age is who you are? Who 1155 00:51:52,520 --> 00:51:54,600 Speaker 2: are you on Instagram? Who are you on Twitter? So 1156 00:51:54,640 --> 00:51:56,680 Speaker 2: you have to make sure that you're ticking every box 1157 00:51:56,680 --> 00:51:57,839 Speaker 2: on those sort of platforms. 1158 00:51:58,400 --> 00:52:00,680 Speaker 1: But yeah, like and my girlfriend gets it. She listens 1159 00:52:00,719 --> 00:52:00,920 Speaker 1: to me. 1160 00:52:01,040 --> 00:52:04,640 Speaker 2: If I hadn't have all these experiences, she wouldn't listen. 1161 00:52:04,760 --> 00:52:06,320 Speaker 2: So she knows that I've been through a lot, and 1162 00:52:06,680 --> 00:52:10,080 Speaker 2: she trusts me as well, so she's very she does listen, 1163 00:52:10,080 --> 00:52:11,560 Speaker 2: and we have a great relationship. 1164 00:52:11,719 --> 00:52:15,120 Speaker 1: Yeah. Yeah, the boundaries part is so important. It's so important. 1165 00:52:15,239 --> 00:52:17,720 Speaker 2: Yeah, you know, like if I always have this example, 1166 00:52:17,840 --> 00:52:23,240 Speaker 2: like you know, like if if she was like pregnant 1167 00:52:23,280 --> 00:52:24,960 Speaker 2: with my kid and my phone just popped up with 1168 00:52:25,080 --> 00:52:27,440 Speaker 2: like you know, girls just like laking my photo and 1169 00:52:27,440 --> 00:52:29,440 Speaker 2: stuff like that plays a path and that builds up, 1170 00:52:29,560 --> 00:52:33,319 Speaker 2: you know, tension, and then it just explodes. So you know, 1171 00:52:33,320 --> 00:52:35,040 Speaker 2: I try and tick every box and make her feel 1172 00:52:35,040 --> 00:52:39,160 Speaker 2: comfortable and respected, and especially it's heightened because we're in 1173 00:52:39,160 --> 00:52:41,279 Speaker 2: the spotlight so much, so I try and I try 1174 00:52:41,320 --> 00:52:43,080 Speaker 2: and do everything I can to make her feel comfortable. 1175 00:52:43,440 --> 00:52:46,600 Speaker 1: Yeah, no, it's uh, you know, I think it was. 1176 00:52:47,360 --> 00:52:49,360 Speaker 1: I remember my wife and I had been together for 1177 00:52:49,480 --> 00:52:54,520 Speaker 1: like three years before. No, we've been together for we'd 1178 00:52:54,560 --> 00:52:58,440 Speaker 1: been married for three years and together for six years 1179 00:52:59,080 --> 00:53:03,560 Speaker 1: before we did something together publicly on social media. And 1180 00:53:05,080 --> 00:53:07,520 Speaker 1: I felt that that was so important for us because 1181 00:53:08,160 --> 00:53:10,120 Speaker 1: we'd been together for a while. But then when social 1182 00:53:10,160 --> 00:53:13,280 Speaker 1: media started to take off for me and the content 1183 00:53:13,280 --> 00:53:16,560 Speaker 1: that I was making, we were just still like finding 1184 00:53:16,560 --> 00:53:20,160 Speaker 1: our foundations and like figuring it out. And I can't 1185 00:53:20,200 --> 00:53:23,640 Speaker 1: imagine if we would have been active on social media 1186 00:53:23,719 --> 00:53:28,440 Speaker 1: together in any way earlier than that for us, because 1187 00:53:29,600 --> 00:53:31,399 Speaker 1: I think I was just figuring out what it meant 1188 00:53:31,400 --> 00:53:33,040 Speaker 1: for me, then she was figuring out what it meant 1189 00:53:33,040 --> 00:53:35,240 Speaker 1: for her. And I feel like a lot of people, 1190 00:53:35,239 --> 00:53:36,920 Speaker 1: it doesn't matter whether you have a platform or not. 1191 00:53:37,000 --> 00:53:39,680 Speaker 1: We're not having those conversations and figuring that out with 1192 00:53:39,719 --> 00:53:42,879 Speaker 1: another human being. And even now, even till this day, 1193 00:53:43,000 --> 00:53:46,120 Speaker 1: my wife has different priorities on social media and what 1194 00:53:46,200 --> 00:53:49,240 Speaker 1: she wants to share than I do, and it comes 1195 00:53:49,280 --> 00:53:53,360 Speaker 1: with so many interesting question marks. We had someone asking 1196 00:53:53,440 --> 00:53:55,640 Speaker 1: us a question of like, oh, like, well you post 1197 00:53:55,680 --> 00:53:57,960 Speaker 1: about your relationship, but she doesn't, like does that mean 1198 00:53:58,000 --> 00:54:01,040 Speaker 1: there's an issue? And I was like, no, it's just 1199 00:54:01,120 --> 00:54:04,239 Speaker 1: we have different ways, Like I love sharing about relationship, 1200 00:54:04,480 --> 00:54:07,160 Speaker 1: she likes keeping it a bit more private. Like that 1201 00:54:07,200 --> 00:54:10,240 Speaker 1: doesn't mean that there's an issue. But it's so fascinating. 1202 00:54:10,480 --> 00:54:12,680 Speaker 1: Everything gets taken out of context. 1203 00:54:12,760 --> 00:54:17,360 Speaker 2: Yeah, I think most relationships the problems stem from social media. 1204 00:54:17,800 --> 00:54:20,360 Speaker 2: And you know, I've got friends that have very healthy 1205 00:54:20,400 --> 00:54:23,040 Speaker 2: relationships with different standards on social media, like you said, 1206 00:54:23,120 --> 00:54:26,200 Speaker 2: but I feel like to give the relationship the best 1207 00:54:26,280 --> 00:54:28,720 Speaker 2: chance of working, you need to see eye to eye 1208 00:54:28,960 --> 00:54:33,760 Speaker 2: on those things. Because in my prei relationships, the standards 1209 00:54:33,800 --> 00:54:36,160 Speaker 2: on social media weren't the same, and they weren't as 1210 00:54:36,200 --> 00:54:38,799 Speaker 2: respective of both sides and it didn't go well. But 1211 00:54:38,880 --> 00:54:41,000 Speaker 2: here we see eye to eye, and I think it's 1212 00:54:41,040 --> 00:54:43,640 Speaker 2: a crucial part of it because again, social media, what 1213 00:54:44,000 --> 00:54:46,719 Speaker 2: is it Like. I didn't grow up with social I 1214 00:54:46,719 --> 00:54:48,759 Speaker 2: had a flip phone, and I remember the first time 1215 00:54:48,800 --> 00:54:51,160 Speaker 2: when Instagram became a thing, and it was like used 1216 00:54:51,160 --> 00:54:53,080 Speaker 2: to share a picture of a flower and stuff. Now 1217 00:54:53,120 --> 00:54:55,480 Speaker 2: it's like a whole business. It's like it's just evolving 1218 00:54:55,480 --> 00:54:57,839 Speaker 2: and it's changing. So I think you need to have 1219 00:54:58,040 --> 00:55:01,400 Speaker 2: It's so important to have these conversations because they Unfortunately, 1220 00:55:01,440 --> 00:55:04,239 Speaker 2: it plays a huge part in relationships. It does. 1221 00:55:04,640 --> 00:55:07,000 Speaker 1: Yeah. Another thing that came up on social media was 1222 00:55:07,000 --> 00:55:09,440 Speaker 1: your interaction with Drake. Oh yay, you boosted. Did you 1223 00:55:09,440 --> 00:55:10,120 Speaker 1: ever get together? 1224 00:55:10,719 --> 00:55:14,160 Speaker 2: Well, the thing is we didn't our beef was. 1225 00:55:14,120 --> 00:55:16,399 Speaker 1: So so ridiculous. 1226 00:55:15,840 --> 00:55:18,759 Speaker 2: Like I was nineteen, and I just said, I came 1227 00:55:18,760 --> 00:55:20,239 Speaker 2: out slow, so I'm not gonna listen to Drake. I 1228 00:55:20,239 --> 00:55:22,120 Speaker 2: said it jokingly. And then he came out and said, oh, 1229 00:55:22,120 --> 00:55:24,440 Speaker 2: who is this guy? I'll chop him down. And I 1230 00:55:24,480 --> 00:55:26,440 Speaker 2: was like, all right, you're five, You're like five nine. 1231 00:55:26,480 --> 00:55:27,399 Speaker 1: I'm six foot four. 1232 00:55:28,000 --> 00:55:31,040 Speaker 2: And then he reached out after Wim Wooden and then 1233 00:55:31,080 --> 00:55:33,120 Speaker 2: I went back and I would love to I mean, 1234 00:55:33,120 --> 00:55:35,279 Speaker 2: I would love to get him on my stuff, but 1235 00:55:35,760 --> 00:55:38,160 Speaker 2: I mean I also respect these guys have so much 1236 00:55:38,200 --> 00:55:40,640 Speaker 2: going on, you know, in their life, and if they 1237 00:55:40,680 --> 00:55:43,000 Speaker 2: speak to me or send me a message, that's a bonus. Yeah, 1238 00:55:43,600 --> 00:55:45,279 Speaker 2: it comes back to all that being a bonus. So 1239 00:55:45,880 --> 00:55:47,520 Speaker 2: I do love his music. I'm just gonna say that. 1240 00:55:47,640 --> 00:55:51,319 Speaker 1: Yeah, so do I. Yeah, but no, it's funny, but 1241 00:55:51,360 --> 00:55:54,360 Speaker 1: that was so that was an old conversation conversation. Yeah, 1242 00:55:54,400 --> 00:55:57,160 Speaker 1: that's funny. That's funny. No, I mean I think I 1243 00:55:57,200 --> 00:55:59,000 Speaker 1: mean watch it. I think you guys did a podcast. 1244 00:55:59,120 --> 00:56:01,200 Speaker 1: There would be dope cool. I think it'd be really good. 1245 00:56:01,400 --> 00:56:03,279 Speaker 1: Let's put it out there. Yeah, I think that'd be cool. 1246 00:56:03,520 --> 00:56:07,400 Speaker 1: That'd be awesome to watch. No, it's I love what 1247 00:56:07,440 --> 00:56:09,960 Speaker 1: you keep going back to. Man, I think it's you know, 1248 00:56:10,239 --> 00:56:14,360 Speaker 1: I've met so many people who have achieved incredible things, 1249 00:56:14,400 --> 00:56:18,200 Speaker 1: but they've lost that childlike view of it. They've lost 1250 00:56:18,239 --> 00:56:21,879 Speaker 1: that not that they've lost gratitude, but they've lost that 1251 00:56:22,440 --> 00:56:24,799 Speaker 1: feeling of like, oh my gosh, I can't believe this, 1252 00:56:25,000 --> 00:56:27,759 Speaker 1: like that feeling of magic. And it feels like you've 1253 00:56:27,800 --> 00:56:28,960 Speaker 1: held on to that. 1254 00:56:29,000 --> 00:56:31,360 Speaker 2: I think that's the only thing I like. Even just 1255 00:56:31,440 --> 00:56:33,080 Speaker 2: driving to your house today, like I was like, this 1256 00:56:33,200 --> 00:56:36,520 Speaker 2: is insane, Like I just I love, Yeah, I just love, 1257 00:56:36,840 --> 00:56:39,560 Speaker 2: Like I have utmost respect for everything you've created, Like 1258 00:56:39,640 --> 00:56:41,319 Speaker 2: you must just look back at your journey and be 1259 00:56:41,400 --> 00:56:44,920 Speaker 2: like wow, like this is sick. And I love reminding 1260 00:56:44,960 --> 00:56:47,560 Speaker 2: people of like not that they need it, but like 1261 00:56:47,640 --> 00:56:49,680 Speaker 2: it feels good when someone comes into you and actually 1262 00:56:49,920 --> 00:56:52,360 Speaker 2: is like dude, well done, Like good stuff, because I 1263 00:56:52,400 --> 00:56:54,719 Speaker 2: can only imagine how hard you've worked for everything here, 1264 00:56:55,320 --> 00:56:58,600 Speaker 2: And like, I feel like the normal person doesn't really 1265 00:56:58,640 --> 00:57:01,160 Speaker 2: realize how hard someone has the work to achieve all this. 1266 00:57:01,640 --> 00:57:03,080 Speaker 2: You didn't just put your hand into a raffle and 1267 00:57:03,080 --> 00:57:05,120 Speaker 2: pull it out and be like Okay, I'm Jay shedding 1268 00:57:05,160 --> 00:57:07,480 Speaker 2: out with all this, like and I just love making 1269 00:57:07,480 --> 00:57:10,320 Speaker 2: people feel that way. And it's because it's you know, 1270 00:57:10,360 --> 00:57:14,399 Speaker 2: we all started from something so small, and I think 1271 00:57:14,400 --> 00:57:16,320 Speaker 2: that's so cool and you. 1272 00:57:16,320 --> 00:57:19,280 Speaker 1: Still and how you find a way to still let 1273 00:57:19,320 --> 00:57:20,400 Speaker 1: yourself feel that way. 1274 00:57:20,600 --> 00:57:24,840 Speaker 2: Yeah, sometimes I like making myself feel good. And it's 1275 00:57:24,840 --> 00:57:27,600 Speaker 2: not in an arrogant way. It's like, I just think 1276 00:57:27,640 --> 00:57:30,120 Speaker 2: I've done some pretty cool things, like you know, whether 1277 00:57:30,160 --> 00:57:33,120 Speaker 2: it be on the tennis court or collaborations with people, 1278 00:57:33,160 --> 00:57:35,440 Speaker 2: like it's a it's cool. And I think for the 1279 00:57:35,520 --> 00:57:37,720 Speaker 2: viewers that are going to watch this, like it's not 1280 00:57:37,760 --> 00:57:40,880 Speaker 2: like you just we just started in this position, like 1281 00:57:40,920 --> 00:57:44,160 Speaker 2: we were just normal people and we didn't really ask 1282 00:57:44,200 --> 00:57:46,520 Speaker 2: for everything that came with it. We're all trying to 1283 00:57:46,520 --> 00:57:47,200 Speaker 2: figure it all out. 1284 00:57:47,640 --> 00:57:49,880 Speaker 1: What's been your proudest moment off the course. 1285 00:57:50,280 --> 00:57:52,680 Speaker 2: I guess anytime I'm with my family and you know 1286 00:57:52,760 --> 00:57:55,120 Speaker 2: where having a good dinner together. We might be eating 1287 00:57:55,120 --> 00:57:57,440 Speaker 2: at a restaurant and just all together. Just any moment 1288 00:57:57,480 --> 00:58:00,320 Speaker 2: like that for me now is the best. I just 1289 00:58:00,360 --> 00:58:02,800 Speaker 2: feel like we were because during that period when I 1290 00:58:02,840 --> 00:58:07,040 Speaker 2: was really unwell, I didn't talk to my family at all. 1291 00:58:07,080 --> 00:58:08,960 Speaker 2: I didn't you know, speak to them. They I gave 1292 00:58:09,000 --> 00:58:11,720 Speaker 2: them I've put so much stress on my family and 1293 00:58:11,760 --> 00:58:13,600 Speaker 2: now when we meet up and we have a gathering 1294 00:58:13,640 --> 00:58:16,920 Speaker 2: and we're all there and we're just having some good laughs. 1295 00:58:16,960 --> 00:58:19,520 Speaker 2: Like those are my favorite moments now, Like the simplest 1296 00:58:19,520 --> 00:58:21,880 Speaker 2: of things are so make me so happy. 1297 00:58:21,920 --> 00:58:24,280 Speaker 1: Now, Yeah, do you do a lot together? You're in 1298 00:58:24,320 --> 00:58:25,200 Speaker 1: the holidays coming up. 1299 00:58:25,360 --> 00:58:27,200 Speaker 2: Yeah, We've got there's so many you know, we have 1300 00:58:27,240 --> 00:58:29,360 Speaker 2: the annual Curios Christmas party, like things like this. 1301 00:58:29,480 --> 00:58:31,800 Speaker 1: Tell me about that. Tell me about the Annual Curious Christmas. 1302 00:58:32,080 --> 00:58:34,760 Speaker 2: So every year there's like in camera, like three to 1303 00:58:34,760 --> 00:58:36,680 Speaker 2: four hundred people come through our house during the night 1304 00:58:37,920 --> 00:58:39,800 Speaker 2: and then they're coming and going. There's always a theme, 1305 00:58:39,880 --> 00:58:41,600 Speaker 2: like this year it's Gatsby, so everyone's going to be 1306 00:58:41,640 --> 00:58:42,960 Speaker 2: in suits, cigars and stuff. 1307 00:58:43,000 --> 00:58:45,880 Speaker 1: So it's good. Last year was like superheroes and villains. 1308 00:58:45,880 --> 00:58:47,800 Speaker 2: Like those types of things now are amazing, Like I 1309 00:58:47,800 --> 00:58:49,680 Speaker 2: can't wait to just see all my loved ones, family 1310 00:58:49,680 --> 00:58:51,919 Speaker 2: and friends, and that's what I look forward to now. 1311 00:58:52,200 --> 00:58:55,040 Speaker 2: And yeah, I guess everything that I achieve is And 1312 00:58:55,040 --> 00:58:57,000 Speaker 2: then people like ask me that, they're like, no, you're 1313 00:58:57,040 --> 00:58:59,400 Speaker 2: just being humble. It's like now, I genuinely just love 1314 00:58:59,480 --> 00:59:00,520 Speaker 2: simple moments like that. 1315 00:59:00,800 --> 00:59:03,880 Speaker 1: So good. Yeah, yeah, what you were talking about, you've 1316 00:59:03,920 --> 00:59:08,440 Speaker 1: been inspired by the next generation. Walk me through a 1317 00:59:08,480 --> 00:59:11,640 Speaker 1: moment you've had with like a young fan or one 1318 00:59:11,680 --> 00:59:14,640 Speaker 1: of those moments that you feel like that stays with 1319 00:59:14,680 --> 00:59:16,479 Speaker 1: you and that keeps you motivate and keep going. 1320 00:59:16,880 --> 00:59:19,400 Speaker 2: Well, I guess my game style is, you know, unorthodox, 1321 00:59:19,640 --> 00:59:22,240 Speaker 2: and you know, I'm playing crazy shots in crazy moments. 1322 00:59:22,240 --> 00:59:24,520 Speaker 2: And when people send me videos of like their young 1323 00:59:24,600 --> 00:59:26,560 Speaker 2: kids playing they're trying to hit a tweener or they're 1324 00:59:26,560 --> 00:59:29,080 Speaker 2: trying to serve like me, that's cool. I think someone 1325 00:59:29,080 --> 00:59:30,880 Speaker 2: that I kind of look up to is like Alan Iverson. 1326 00:59:30,920 --> 00:59:33,160 Speaker 2: You look at his basketball game and you look at 1327 00:59:33,200 --> 00:59:35,360 Speaker 2: the cultury left. You know, the way he dressed, and 1328 00:59:35,360 --> 00:59:38,080 Speaker 2: he's some of his press conferences are hilarious, and I 1329 00:59:38,120 --> 00:59:40,680 Speaker 2: think he had his own style and people wanted to 1330 00:59:40,720 --> 00:59:42,560 Speaker 2: be him. And I think I'm when it's all said 1331 00:59:42,560 --> 00:59:44,400 Speaker 2: and done, there's going to be so many people around 1332 00:59:44,440 --> 00:59:46,280 Speaker 2: the world trying to play like me and play the 1333 00:59:46,320 --> 00:59:48,440 Speaker 2: shot that they're not supposed to play and because it 1334 00:59:48,440 --> 00:59:51,120 Speaker 2: gives him that thrill. So I think I if that 1335 00:59:51,160 --> 00:59:53,120 Speaker 2: carries on at the end of my career, that's that's 1336 00:59:53,120 --> 00:59:54,000 Speaker 2: something pretty special. 1337 00:59:54,160 --> 00:59:56,800 Speaker 1: Yeah, it's very cool. I remember I still remember the 1338 00:59:57,440 --> 01:00:00,240 Speaker 1: Alan Iverson reebok I am what I am ad So 1339 01:00:00,280 --> 01:00:02,440 Speaker 1: I don't know if you had reb back in Australia 1340 01:00:02,480 --> 01:00:04,600 Speaker 1: about them, but in the UK we had these ads 1341 01:00:04,960 --> 01:00:06,240 Speaker 1: and it used to just say I am what I 1342 01:00:06,320 --> 01:00:08,840 Speaker 1: am and Alan Iverson kicked it off and it stayed 1343 01:00:08,840 --> 01:00:11,320 Speaker 1: with me ever since that day, even though you know, 1344 01:00:11,600 --> 01:00:14,680 Speaker 1: I maybe never didn't even follow the brand of the 1345 01:00:14,680 --> 01:00:17,440 Speaker 1: sport that much, but still it stayed with me. 1346 01:00:17,520 --> 01:00:20,040 Speaker 2: Yeah, he's like the definition of that, Like, yeah, I 1347 01:00:20,280 --> 01:00:23,160 Speaker 2: just love his press conference so good because he was 1348 01:00:23,200 --> 01:00:25,040 Speaker 2: just like a human. He said, like I cried just 1349 01:00:25,080 --> 01:00:27,120 Speaker 2: like you guys. You know, I'm not the best every day. 1350 01:00:27,160 --> 01:00:29,160 Speaker 2: I don't feel like working, I don't feel like showing up, 1351 01:00:29,760 --> 01:00:31,560 Speaker 2: and you expect me to do all these things and 1352 01:00:31,640 --> 01:00:32,200 Speaker 2: I think. 1353 01:00:32,720 --> 01:00:34,000 Speaker 1: Yeah, we're just normal people. 1354 01:00:34,000 --> 01:00:36,840 Speaker 2: Towards athletes or people that you know have a lot 1355 01:00:36,840 --> 01:00:39,440 Speaker 2: of things going on, like they just lose a bit 1356 01:00:39,480 --> 01:00:40,680 Speaker 2: of compassion towards those people. 1357 01:00:40,760 --> 01:00:43,600 Speaker 1: I think, Yeah, you've mentioned crying a few times. I 1358 01:00:43,640 --> 01:00:46,600 Speaker 1: was wondering, when was the last time that you, like, 1359 01:00:47,120 --> 01:00:49,280 Speaker 1: really cry to something that really made you grow. 1360 01:00:49,960 --> 01:00:51,600 Speaker 2: I probably could have broken down a couple of times 1361 01:00:51,680 --> 01:00:53,760 Speaker 2: during some of this conversation, but I tried not to. 1362 01:00:56,360 --> 01:00:58,440 Speaker 2: I try to control it a little bit more these days. 1363 01:00:58,520 --> 01:01:01,400 Speaker 2: I just feel like I used to cry a lot. 1364 01:01:01,600 --> 01:01:07,760 Speaker 2: You know, I've had conversations with my you know, my mom. 1365 01:01:06,480 --> 01:01:07,120 Speaker 1: Heaps of people. 1366 01:01:07,120 --> 01:01:09,280 Speaker 2: I feel like I can break down so often just 1367 01:01:09,320 --> 01:01:11,880 Speaker 2: because things are just so raw and they just have 1368 01:01:12,000 --> 01:01:13,960 Speaker 2: It's like a if you pull the wrong string. I 1369 01:01:13,960 --> 01:01:16,000 Speaker 2: feel like at any moment in time, I probably could 1370 01:01:17,040 --> 01:01:20,400 Speaker 2: get really emotional. But I think we do need to 1371 01:01:20,400 --> 01:01:22,919 Speaker 2: be a bit stronger than that at times. But yeah, 1372 01:01:22,960 --> 01:01:24,920 Speaker 2: I my dad. I draw a lot of strength from 1373 01:01:24,920 --> 01:01:26,960 Speaker 2: my dad. You know, he's he never cries and he's 1374 01:01:26,960 --> 01:01:29,440 Speaker 2: always he's like a strong person in our family. So 1375 01:01:29,520 --> 01:01:31,200 Speaker 2: I try and look. I looked up to him a 1376 01:01:31,240 --> 01:01:32,240 Speaker 2: lot with that type of stuff. 1377 01:01:32,280 --> 01:01:33,960 Speaker 1: So yeah, I. 1378 01:01:33,880 --> 01:01:34,960 Speaker 2: Mean I used to cry a lot. 1379 01:01:35,040 --> 01:01:37,800 Speaker 1: Yeah, But do you see do you still see crying 1380 01:01:37,840 --> 01:01:39,959 Speaker 1: as a weakness or you've seen it as a good 1381 01:01:39,960 --> 01:01:40,800 Speaker 1: outlet as well. 1382 01:01:41,400 --> 01:01:43,600 Speaker 2: I mean you're obviously feeling that way for some reason. 1383 01:01:43,640 --> 01:01:45,200 Speaker 2: I think it's not good to let it in. It's 1384 01:01:45,200 --> 01:01:47,560 Speaker 2: not good to bottle it up. During this conversation, and 1385 01:01:47,760 --> 01:01:50,680 Speaker 2: I felt like crying, and because you've touched on things 1386 01:01:50,680 --> 01:01:53,720 Speaker 2: that are so emotional, and I think that if I 1387 01:01:53,800 --> 01:01:57,840 Speaker 2: don't try and be stronger, then I'm always gonna you know, 1388 01:01:57,960 --> 01:01:59,960 Speaker 2: someone's going to watch this, like I don't want them 1389 01:02:00,120 --> 01:02:02,480 Speaker 2: to think it's like the only way is to open 1390 01:02:02,560 --> 01:02:04,320 Speaker 2: up and cry out that you can be strong about things. 1391 01:02:04,360 --> 01:02:06,440 Speaker 2: And I still feel like crying, of course I do, 1392 01:02:06,600 --> 01:02:08,360 Speaker 2: but I feel like I need to be a bit 1393 01:02:08,360 --> 01:02:08,920 Speaker 2: stronger than that. 1394 01:02:09,160 --> 01:02:13,040 Speaker 1: Yeah, that's an interesting I like that kind of nuance because, 1395 01:02:13,880 --> 01:02:15,880 Speaker 1: of course I believe it's healthy to cry. I think 1396 01:02:15,920 --> 01:02:18,760 Speaker 1: it's necessary to cry sometimes when you feel a certain way. 1397 01:02:18,800 --> 01:02:20,640 Speaker 1: But at the same time, I agree with you that 1398 01:02:21,480 --> 01:02:26,400 Speaker 1: the ability to know you feel like crying, but keeping 1399 01:02:26,400 --> 01:02:29,479 Speaker 1: it together not for performance or not for the sake 1400 01:02:29,520 --> 01:02:32,320 Speaker 1: of how other people feel, but you're almost strengthening your 1401 01:02:32,360 --> 01:02:35,800 Speaker 1: ability to deal with an emotion is an interesting nuance 1402 01:02:35,840 --> 01:02:38,120 Speaker 1: because I feel like the world used to tell men 1403 01:02:38,200 --> 01:02:40,680 Speaker 1: like you can't cry, and then it became like you 1404 01:02:40,720 --> 01:02:43,360 Speaker 1: should cry, yeah, and then and then there's like this 1405 01:02:43,520 --> 01:02:45,680 Speaker 1: in between, which is the reality of like I can 1406 01:02:45,720 --> 01:02:47,920 Speaker 1: relate to what you just said, right, I'm like, I 1407 01:02:48,040 --> 01:02:50,600 Speaker 1: like crying sometimes I think is important, but then there's 1408 01:02:50,600 --> 01:02:53,040 Speaker 1: sometimes where I'm like, no, Actually, I want to be 1409 01:02:53,080 --> 01:02:57,800 Speaker 1: able to hold myself, like I just gave a It 1410 01:02:57,840 --> 01:03:02,240 Speaker 1: was my sister's wedding like two months go, and I 1411 01:03:02,360 --> 01:03:05,160 Speaker 1: didn't anticipate how emotional it was going to be. So 1412 01:03:05,200 --> 01:03:07,560 Speaker 1: my sister's like five years younger than me. She's been 1413 01:03:07,600 --> 01:03:09,160 Speaker 1: my baby ever since you grew up. She was a 1414 01:03:09,200 --> 01:03:11,880 Speaker 1: little kid for me. She's short as well. She's short 1415 01:03:11,920 --> 01:03:14,480 Speaker 1: on me, so it's like she's literally like a child. 1416 01:03:15,240 --> 01:03:18,120 Speaker 1: And I knew her wedding was coming up and all 1417 01:03:18,160 --> 01:03:18,840 Speaker 1: the rest of it. 1418 01:03:18,960 --> 01:03:20,080 Speaker 2: You prepped yourself for it. 1419 01:03:20,480 --> 01:03:22,960 Speaker 1: I kind of prepped myself, but I didn't realize how 1420 01:03:23,000 --> 01:03:26,560 Speaker 1: emotional was going to be. And Indian weddings are like huge. 1421 01:03:26,600 --> 01:03:28,240 Speaker 1: I got, I got, I got. I got a guy. 1422 01:03:28,400 --> 01:03:30,320 Speaker 2: He's gonna be watching this shore he told me about 1423 01:03:30,320 --> 01:03:31,200 Speaker 2: He sent me all the videos. 1424 01:03:31,280 --> 01:03:33,920 Speaker 1: Nuts. You guys are crazy. It's crazy. So it was 1425 01:03:34,080 --> 01:03:37,440 Speaker 1: five events over seven days, and every event has like 1426 01:03:37,480 --> 01:03:40,360 Speaker 1: three hundred people out and so we had there and 1427 01:03:40,560 --> 01:03:44,680 Speaker 1: I was more emotionally drained after that week than I 1428 01:03:44,680 --> 01:03:47,560 Speaker 1: am for my whole year of giving and helping and 1429 01:03:47,600 --> 01:03:51,400 Speaker 1: everything that I do. That was the most emotionally moving 1430 01:03:51,440 --> 01:03:54,200 Speaker 1: week in my entire life, and I walked my sister 1431 01:03:54,280 --> 01:03:56,800 Speaker 1: down the aisle, and if you watch the video, I'm 1432 01:03:56,880 --> 01:03:59,320 Speaker 1: literally trying and I'm doing what you just said you 1433 01:03:59,360 --> 01:04:01,520 Speaker 1: had to do. I just had to hold back because 1434 01:04:01,520 --> 01:04:03,880 Speaker 1: I knew if I cry and she sees me cry, 1435 01:04:03,920 --> 01:04:05,960 Speaker 1: then she's going to cry. Then her makeup's going to 1436 01:04:06,000 --> 01:04:08,040 Speaker 1: go mad. Then she's going to be mad at me 1437 01:04:08,160 --> 01:04:10,320 Speaker 1: later that I made her cry on her wedding day 1438 01:04:10,560 --> 01:04:12,440 Speaker 1: and so I'm holding it back. And then my wife 1439 01:04:12,640 --> 01:04:14,520 Speaker 1: thought about it. Had she told her, she goes, don't 1440 01:04:14,560 --> 01:04:17,600 Speaker 1: look at him during the wedding ceremony because he's going 1441 01:04:17,640 --> 01:04:20,320 Speaker 1: to be crying. And so my sister avoided eye contact 1442 01:04:20,320 --> 01:04:23,640 Speaker 1: with the whold ceremony because the whole time I was crying. 1443 01:04:24,160 --> 01:04:26,680 Speaker 1: And it was just fascinating to me because I've probably 1444 01:04:26,720 --> 01:04:29,680 Speaker 1: not cried that much ever in my life. But there 1445 01:04:29,680 --> 01:04:31,720 Speaker 1: were times when I had to hold back for her sake, 1446 01:04:31,920 --> 01:04:34,040 Speaker 1: and there were times when I let it out. And 1447 01:04:34,080 --> 01:04:36,840 Speaker 1: I like that you brought that up, because I do 1448 01:04:36,880 --> 01:04:38,920 Speaker 1: think that we've gone from one extreme to the other 1449 01:04:39,040 --> 01:04:42,360 Speaker 1: extreme of men never cried to men should cry all 1450 01:04:42,400 --> 01:04:44,960 Speaker 1: the time to figure out that healthy balance. 1451 01:04:45,360 --> 01:04:47,280 Speaker 2: Yeah, I think it's with anything like you get injured 1452 01:04:47,320 --> 01:04:49,560 Speaker 2: you break a bone, it heals, you get stronger. So 1453 01:04:49,920 --> 01:04:52,360 Speaker 2: it's not to say that you shouldn't acknowledge the pain 1454 01:04:52,520 --> 01:04:55,840 Speaker 2: or acknowledge crying, but trying to stay strong through those moments, 1455 01:04:55,880 --> 01:04:59,120 Speaker 2: I think is just as important of realizing, yeah, you're 1456 01:04:59,200 --> 01:05:01,800 Speaker 2: hurt and those it touchy topics. But how are you 1457 01:05:01,880 --> 01:05:03,360 Speaker 2: going to every time someone brings it up you're just 1458 01:05:03,400 --> 01:05:05,400 Speaker 2: going to cry, or you're going to be able to 1459 01:05:05,440 --> 01:05:07,560 Speaker 2: talk about and educate other people that are going through 1460 01:05:07,560 --> 01:05:09,160 Speaker 2: the same thing, you know, I think you've got to be. 1461 01:05:09,120 --> 01:05:12,120 Speaker 1: A beacon and just yeah, hold it together a little bit. 1462 01:05:12,240 --> 01:05:14,680 Speaker 1: What's your days looking like right now? Like now that 1463 01:05:14,760 --> 01:05:17,800 Speaker 1: you're in your element, you're having a good time, things 1464 01:05:17,840 --> 01:05:20,960 Speaker 1: are opening up, you're doing new creative endeavors. What does 1465 01:05:21,000 --> 01:05:22,560 Speaker 1: your day look like right now and what you're loving 1466 01:05:22,600 --> 01:05:23,000 Speaker 1: about it? 1467 01:05:23,080 --> 01:05:25,840 Speaker 2: Yeah, well, my team comes with me for these opportunities, 1468 01:05:25,840 --> 01:05:29,160 Speaker 2: and obviously, like you know, I kind of it's all 1469 01:05:29,560 --> 01:05:31,840 Speaker 2: insane the fact that I have these options now, and 1470 01:05:32,560 --> 01:05:34,760 Speaker 2: so obviously training is a big part of my day still, 1471 01:05:34,840 --> 01:05:38,880 Speaker 2: you know. Obviously rehabbing through you know, surgeries and just 1472 01:05:39,040 --> 01:05:41,480 Speaker 2: maintaining that strength whilst you're not playing is a big thing. 1473 01:05:41,520 --> 01:05:44,160 Speaker 2: You can get pretty, you know, relaxed with it, and 1474 01:05:44,200 --> 01:05:46,560 Speaker 2: you can lose years of work in a couple of months. 1475 01:05:46,600 --> 01:05:47,880 Speaker 1: So you know, I'm trying to stay on top of that. 1476 01:05:48,040 --> 01:05:50,080 Speaker 2: And then with doing all these things I've I just 1477 01:05:50,120 --> 01:05:52,680 Speaker 2: got a new passion because I love communicating with people, 1478 01:05:52,760 --> 01:05:55,440 Speaker 2: I love learning about people, and I love helping. I 1479 01:05:55,520 --> 01:05:58,120 Speaker 2: just love entertaining, giving the audience something different than what 1480 01:05:58,160 --> 01:06:00,880 Speaker 2: they've seen from me the last ten years. So just 1481 01:06:00,960 --> 01:06:04,040 Speaker 2: all these types of things, training, you know, seeing the 1482 01:06:04,080 --> 01:06:07,480 Speaker 2: world with my girlfriend is I know that we're extremely blessed. 1483 01:06:07,520 --> 01:06:10,200 Speaker 2: You know, ninety five percent of relationships you don't get 1484 01:06:10,200 --> 01:06:11,760 Speaker 2: to travel, you don't get to do the world like 1485 01:06:11,800 --> 01:06:13,280 Speaker 2: we get to do it. So I know that I'm 1486 01:06:13,320 --> 01:06:17,280 Speaker 2: extremely blessed in that department. And a little one percent 1487 01:06:17,280 --> 01:06:20,720 Speaker 2: of NBA games I love pass So yeah, I've been watching. Yeah, yeah, 1488 01:06:20,720 --> 01:06:23,040 Speaker 2: I'm watching. We might be going tonight at the game too, Oice, 1489 01:06:23,040 --> 01:06:25,920 Speaker 2: who's your tea? I'm a Boston Celtic fan. So being 1490 01:06:25,960 --> 01:06:26,800 Speaker 2: in la is tough. 1491 01:06:28,880 --> 01:06:30,800 Speaker 1: What's been the best country you visit to do? Your 1492 01:06:30,840 --> 01:06:33,560 Speaker 1: favorite place that you visited, maybe with your girlfriend, even 1493 01:06:33,560 --> 01:06:35,520 Speaker 1: on your own. That that's kind of like left to 1494 01:06:35,600 --> 01:06:36,080 Speaker 1: Mark Well. 1495 01:06:36,040 --> 01:06:37,520 Speaker 2: Austra is the best place in the world. I'm just 1496 01:06:37,520 --> 01:06:39,160 Speaker 2: going to say that it is. Every person that goes. 1497 01:06:39,240 --> 01:06:43,480 Speaker 1: I love going just I had the best time my 1498 01:06:43,560 --> 01:06:46,240 Speaker 1: whole tour. I had so much fun in Australia. It 1499 01:06:46,280 --> 01:06:48,560 Speaker 1: was amazing. Australi is the best place in the world. 1500 01:06:48,800 --> 01:06:50,919 Speaker 1: I love the States personally just because of the sport. 1501 01:06:51,120 --> 01:06:54,240 Speaker 1: You guys are sport here like nothing else. But my 1502 01:06:54,320 --> 01:06:56,680 Speaker 1: mum is half Malaysian. I'm a half Malayian. My mum's Malaysian. 1503 01:06:56,760 --> 01:06:59,360 Speaker 1: So every time I go to Malaysia or you know, 1504 01:06:59,520 --> 01:07:02,120 Speaker 1: any age country, I love the food. Like you know, 1505 01:07:02,240 --> 01:07:04,640 Speaker 1: my mom cooks. I'm not just saying this. My mom 1506 01:07:04,720 --> 01:07:06,640 Speaker 1: is honestly be one of the best cooks in the world. 1507 01:07:06,800 --> 01:07:09,320 Speaker 1: And I've grown up with such a good food background. 1508 01:07:09,320 --> 01:07:11,240 Speaker 1: So I love I could live in Asia hands down, 1509 01:07:12,360 --> 01:07:13,840 Speaker 1: but the state's probably someone there. 1510 01:07:13,840 --> 01:07:16,760 Speaker 2: I mean, I'm half Greek. Europe's nice, but Australia is 1511 01:07:16,800 --> 01:07:18,960 Speaker 2: the best place in the world. It's the best place. 1512 01:07:19,000 --> 01:07:21,520 Speaker 1: Where in Australia. If someone had to visit, where should 1513 01:07:21,520 --> 01:07:21,800 Speaker 1: they go? 1514 01:07:22,080 --> 01:07:25,880 Speaker 2: I mean, I come from Canberra and everyone from Australia, thanks. 1515 01:07:25,920 --> 01:07:27,800 Speaker 2: Camera is not a very good place, but I love 1516 01:07:27,880 --> 01:07:30,080 Speaker 2: the simplicity of camera like it's a very I love 1517 01:07:30,120 --> 01:07:32,520 Speaker 2: coffee like, I love the cafe scene. I love just chilling. 1518 01:07:32,600 --> 01:07:35,840 Speaker 2: But Sydney, Melbourne or even gold Coaches of that beautiful 1519 01:07:35,880 --> 01:07:39,240 Speaker 2: places just such a good lifestyle. They're so safe and 1520 01:07:39,360 --> 01:07:41,160 Speaker 2: you can just do whatever you need to do in Sydney, 1521 01:07:41,440 --> 01:07:42,880 Speaker 2: I mean Australia in general. 1522 01:07:42,960 --> 01:07:45,400 Speaker 1: So yeah, yeah, I need to go back. I went 1523 01:07:45,440 --> 01:07:47,480 Speaker 1: for work and I alway feel like when you go 1524 01:07:47,520 --> 01:07:49,920 Speaker 1: for work, it's different, definitely, of course. And so I 1525 01:07:50,000 --> 01:07:51,480 Speaker 1: was like I was telling my wife, I was like, 1526 01:07:51,520 --> 01:07:54,440 Speaker 1: we have to go back and just experience it, and 1527 01:07:54,560 --> 01:07:55,840 Speaker 1: I have to come to you for a. 1528 01:07:56,800 --> 01:07:58,560 Speaker 2: Yeah, I've got a couple of good spots. A couple 1529 01:07:58,560 --> 01:07:59,200 Speaker 2: of good spots. 1530 01:07:59,440 --> 01:08:01,840 Speaker 1: What would you say now, if there's anything keeps you 1531 01:08:01,920 --> 01:08:03,200 Speaker 1: up at nights to it? Yeah? 1532 01:08:03,280 --> 01:08:05,520 Speaker 2: So I lost my I lost my grandma when I 1533 01:08:05,720 --> 01:08:08,920 Speaker 2: was about nineteen, after I first broke onto the scene, 1534 01:08:08,960 --> 01:08:11,280 Speaker 2: and she was like my best friend through my childhood 1535 01:08:11,320 --> 01:08:13,360 Speaker 2: like my mom, and my mom was always working. I 1536 01:08:13,360 --> 01:08:14,640 Speaker 2: didn't get to see much of my mom. Like my 1537 01:08:14,640 --> 01:08:16,919 Speaker 2: grandma picked me up from school, dropped me into trainings, 1538 01:08:16,960 --> 01:08:18,920 Speaker 2: we slept in the same room together, We had bunk beds, 1539 01:08:18,920 --> 01:08:21,360 Speaker 2: like we were like best friends, and she kind of 1540 01:08:21,360 --> 01:08:23,680 Speaker 2: passed away when things started getting a bit crazy for 1541 01:08:23,720 --> 01:08:25,920 Speaker 2: me in my career, like media, and you know, I 1542 01:08:26,000 --> 01:08:29,000 Speaker 2: probably didn't spend as enough time with her that I 1543 01:08:29,000 --> 01:08:31,519 Speaker 2: would have liked. And I think back to when you know, 1544 01:08:31,600 --> 01:08:33,760 Speaker 2: we she was in a nursing home towards the end 1545 01:08:33,760 --> 01:08:36,040 Speaker 2: of her life, and I feel like that kind of 1546 01:08:36,280 --> 01:08:40,280 Speaker 2: really bothers me. I feel like tennis took time away, 1547 01:08:40,920 --> 01:08:43,400 Speaker 2: not tennis itself, like you said, the sport, just everything 1548 01:08:43,439 --> 01:08:46,800 Speaker 2: that came with it took special time away that I 1549 01:08:46,920 --> 01:08:49,080 Speaker 2: should have had with her. And I was so young, 1550 01:08:49,120 --> 01:08:50,960 Speaker 2: a naive to say to these people now, I don't 1551 01:08:50,960 --> 01:08:52,479 Speaker 2: want to do it. Like it was like the time 1552 01:08:52,479 --> 01:08:54,639 Speaker 2: where you know, money was coming in from my family, 1553 01:08:54,720 --> 01:08:56,559 Speaker 2: I was changing my entire family's life. 1554 01:08:56,600 --> 01:08:59,160 Speaker 1: So I felt like that that. 1555 01:08:59,200 --> 01:09:01,600 Speaker 2: Sits with me, and it's painful because she was my 1556 01:09:01,640 --> 01:09:04,280 Speaker 2: best friend and she I guess she maybe understood it, 1557 01:09:04,280 --> 01:09:06,439 Speaker 2: and maybe she didn't. So I feel like if I 1558 01:09:06,479 --> 01:09:08,719 Speaker 2: could spend some more time with her instead of doing 1559 01:09:08,760 --> 01:09:11,320 Speaker 2: media or on an interview or business or something like that, 1560 01:09:12,040 --> 01:09:13,639 Speaker 2: I guess I wish I could have more time with her. 1561 01:09:13,680 --> 01:09:16,040 Speaker 2: But hopefully she's up there watching and pro out of 1562 01:09:16,080 --> 01:09:18,720 Speaker 2: everything that I'm doing now. And yeah, I guess that 1563 01:09:18,800 --> 01:09:20,759 Speaker 2: I think about that, you know, all the time. 1564 01:09:22,080 --> 01:09:25,439 Speaker 1: That's that's a tough one when you can't do anything 1565 01:09:25,439 --> 01:09:27,680 Speaker 1: about it now, can't change it. Yeah, you can't change it. 1566 01:09:27,720 --> 01:09:31,240 Speaker 1: Those are the ones that are, like, you know, it's 1567 01:09:31,360 --> 01:09:33,800 Speaker 1: tough thinking you could have done one and you're so 1568 01:09:33,960 --> 01:09:36,439 Speaker 1: young too, and like your career is taking off, like 1569 01:09:36,880 --> 01:09:41,080 Speaker 1: it's so forgivable in that sense, Like you know, it's 1570 01:09:42,000 --> 01:09:44,720 Speaker 1: how would you know at nineteen what to prioritize and 1571 01:09:44,760 --> 01:09:47,200 Speaker 1: what to focus on? And you live in the dream 1572 01:09:47,240 --> 01:09:49,080 Speaker 1: in one sense, and like you said, you're changing your 1573 01:09:49,080 --> 01:09:52,160 Speaker 1: family's life. It's it's hard. It's hard to deal with that. 1574 01:09:52,280 --> 01:09:55,439 Speaker 1: And I guess would you say, it doesn't sound like 1575 01:09:55,479 --> 01:09:58,320 Speaker 1: that's a regret though it sounds like it's something that's 1576 01:09:58,400 --> 01:09:58,880 Speaker 1: kind of. 1577 01:09:59,160 --> 01:10:01,240 Speaker 2: Yeah, I think I used to think it was like 1578 01:10:01,320 --> 01:10:03,880 Speaker 2: I used to really be upset about it, and I 1579 01:10:03,960 --> 01:10:06,240 Speaker 2: was regretful of doing everything that came with it. I 1580 01:10:06,280 --> 01:10:08,080 Speaker 2: was like I hated Tennis, I hated everything that came 1581 01:10:08,080 --> 01:10:11,000 Speaker 2: around it because I was like I just kind of 1582 01:10:11,040 --> 01:10:12,920 Speaker 2: I didn't leave her, but I kind of just didn't 1583 01:10:12,960 --> 01:10:14,920 Speaker 2: spend as much time as I used to spend with her. 1584 01:10:15,520 --> 01:10:17,439 Speaker 1: So now I've come to understand it. 1585 01:10:17,479 --> 01:10:19,840 Speaker 2: Like I was young, I didn't I wasn't educated on 1586 01:10:20,920 --> 01:10:22,559 Speaker 2: you know, these things that I had to be doing. 1587 01:10:22,600 --> 01:10:24,839 Speaker 2: So I guess I've been a bit nicer to myself 1588 01:10:24,880 --> 01:10:27,120 Speaker 2: on that on that topic, but I still think about it, 1589 01:10:27,200 --> 01:10:29,639 Speaker 2: like I unfairly think about it at nighttime. 1590 01:10:30,080 --> 01:10:34,400 Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, it's yeah. It's amazing how the mind works, right, 1591 01:10:34,439 --> 01:10:37,080 Speaker 1: Like you can literally avoid something the whole day, yep, 1592 01:10:37,320 --> 01:10:40,680 Speaker 1: and somehow at times back it comes back and it 1593 01:10:40,840 --> 01:10:43,519 Speaker 1: just like almost like on clockwork, like on time. Yep. 1594 01:10:43,960 --> 01:10:46,840 Speaker 1: It's so fascinating. How you have you found a way 1595 01:10:46,880 --> 01:10:48,320 Speaker 1: of switching those talks off. 1596 01:10:48,760 --> 01:10:51,400 Speaker 2: I guess I just realized now that that's just more 1597 01:10:51,479 --> 01:10:53,200 Speaker 2: love and more time that I wanted with her. So 1598 01:10:53,200 --> 01:10:54,600 Speaker 2: I'll try and look at it as a positive. Like 1599 01:10:54,680 --> 01:10:56,840 Speaker 2: why am I always thinking about this moment? Why is 1600 01:10:56,840 --> 01:10:59,080 Speaker 2: it always coming up? It's just because she meant a 1601 01:10:59,120 --> 01:11:00,519 Speaker 2: lot to me, and that's you know, I have so 1602 01:11:00,640 --> 01:11:02,240 Speaker 2: much more stuff that I wish I could just sit 1603 01:11:02,240 --> 01:11:05,360 Speaker 2: down with her now and speak about everything that's been 1604 01:11:05,400 --> 01:11:07,120 Speaker 2: going on, and you know, she would love it. She 1605 01:11:07,320 --> 01:11:09,719 Speaker 2: was the ultimate jokes through in our family she had. 1606 01:11:10,320 --> 01:11:12,040 Speaker 2: She was just a free spirit, and I feel like 1607 01:11:12,400 --> 01:11:14,680 Speaker 2: that's where I get some of my personality from on 1608 01:11:14,720 --> 01:11:16,240 Speaker 2: the court. So if I could just sit down with 1609 01:11:16,240 --> 01:11:19,559 Speaker 2: her now and just chat about things would be amazing. 1610 01:11:19,600 --> 01:11:21,200 Speaker 2: And I guess that's what I just try and turn 1611 01:11:21,200 --> 01:11:23,080 Speaker 2: it into a positive. Like she I just got so much 1612 01:11:23,080 --> 01:11:25,280 Speaker 2: stuff that I want to talk to her about. And 1613 01:11:25,360 --> 01:11:28,000 Speaker 2: I feel like, yeah, if she was here during that 1614 01:11:28,080 --> 01:11:29,960 Speaker 2: dark time, I don't I think I would have got 1615 01:11:30,000 --> 01:11:32,120 Speaker 2: through it a lot easier. But yeah, I guess I 1616 01:11:32,200 --> 01:11:33,120 Speaker 2: just turned into a positive. 1617 01:11:33,960 --> 01:11:37,120 Speaker 1: Yeah. There's also you've said that, you know, after the 1618 01:11:37,800 --> 01:11:41,160 Speaker 1: Wimbledon game with Djokovic, you felt like you could have 1619 01:11:41,200 --> 01:11:44,000 Speaker 1: won it, and there was a feeling like, yep, you 1620 01:11:44,040 --> 01:11:46,240 Speaker 1: could have done that, that could have been it. How 1621 01:11:46,280 --> 01:11:48,280 Speaker 1: much does that play on your mind a lot? 1622 01:11:48,320 --> 01:11:51,040 Speaker 2: That I was two sets away from winning Wimwood and 1623 01:11:51,160 --> 01:11:53,479 Speaker 2: you know, if I've played anyone else on planet that day, 1624 01:11:53,479 --> 01:11:54,880 Speaker 2: I felt like I would have won. So yeah, I 1625 01:11:54,920 --> 01:11:56,519 Speaker 2: mean now I'm at peace with it. But for the 1626 01:11:57,200 --> 01:11:59,200 Speaker 2: three to four months after that was like an every 1627 01:11:59,240 --> 01:12:01,040 Speaker 2: day was like not a nighttime thing. It was like 1628 01:12:01,200 --> 01:12:03,320 Speaker 2: what could I have done differently? Every time I was 1629 01:12:03,320 --> 01:12:04,760 Speaker 2: in the gym, every time I was on court, Like, 1630 01:12:04,800 --> 01:12:07,320 Speaker 2: why didn't I you know, that was my opportunity, Why 1631 01:12:07,360 --> 01:12:09,720 Speaker 2: didn't I just grab it? But now I understand, Like 1632 01:12:09,800 --> 01:12:12,599 Speaker 2: the more he achieves now, the more I'm nice. I'm like, Okay, no, 1633 01:12:12,640 --> 01:12:16,439 Speaker 2: everyone's trying to still figure this out. But yeah, I mean, look, 1634 01:12:17,520 --> 01:12:19,439 Speaker 2: more than nine nine percent of the world hasn't figured 1635 01:12:19,479 --> 01:12:21,479 Speaker 2: out how to beat him on a consistent basis. 1636 01:12:21,520 --> 01:12:23,479 Speaker 1: So I can't be too angry about it. Yeah, I 1637 01:12:23,560 --> 01:12:28,880 Speaker 1: like that. That's a good mindset. Yeah, but it's so interesting, right, 1638 01:12:28,920 --> 01:12:32,200 Speaker 1: Like I can totally empathize with that idea of how 1639 01:12:32,280 --> 01:12:35,640 Speaker 1: you can be so harsh and heavy on yourself like 1640 01:12:35,680 --> 01:12:40,640 Speaker 1: three to four months because you can overanalyze. How have 1641 01:12:40,800 --> 01:12:47,080 Speaker 1: you mastered the art of limiting over analysis or what 1642 01:12:47,200 --> 01:12:51,240 Speaker 1: have you learned about stopping over analysis to the point 1643 01:12:51,240 --> 01:12:53,000 Speaker 1: that it becomes a weakness. 1644 01:12:53,680 --> 01:12:56,120 Speaker 2: Well, Tennis is a sport where you have to be 1645 01:12:56,160 --> 01:12:58,759 Speaker 2: a good loser because every week you're you're losing. Unless 1646 01:12:58,800 --> 01:13:01,400 Speaker 2: you're one of these top guys who is winning consecutive tournaments, 1647 01:13:01,439 --> 01:13:04,559 Speaker 2: you're experiencing a loss every week, and you just have 1648 01:13:04,600 --> 01:13:06,559 Speaker 2: to pick yourself up and go again. In a different country, 1649 01:13:06,600 --> 01:13:08,640 Speaker 2: different surface, different time zone, So you just have to 1650 01:13:08,760 --> 01:13:11,880 Speaker 2: just be really good at understanding what you've done wrong, 1651 01:13:11,960 --> 01:13:14,320 Speaker 2: moving on and just going again, because one week, one 1652 01:13:14,320 --> 01:13:16,120 Speaker 2: to two weeks in tennis can change your life. You 1653 01:13:16,160 --> 01:13:18,080 Speaker 2: can have thirty bad weeks in a row. The minute 1654 01:13:18,080 --> 01:13:20,680 Speaker 2: you have one really good result, things change for you. 1655 01:13:20,800 --> 01:13:22,840 Speaker 2: So you have to That's what I love about tennis. 1656 01:13:22,880 --> 01:13:24,479 Speaker 2: You have to learn to bounce back quickly, and I 1657 01:13:24,479 --> 01:13:26,280 Speaker 2: think it's that's a life lesson, Like you're going to 1658 01:13:26,320 --> 01:13:30,000 Speaker 2: experience ups and downs. Things are going to be horrific 1659 01:13:30,040 --> 01:13:31,559 Speaker 2: for a couple of months, they might be great, So 1660 01:13:31,600 --> 01:13:34,040 Speaker 2: it's like riding the wave and being kind of equal 1661 01:13:34,120 --> 01:13:37,560 Speaker 2: through everything and just backing up and going again. Consistencies. 1662 01:13:38,040 --> 01:13:40,479 Speaker 2: You learn that from tennis so early on, which is cool. 1663 01:13:40,520 --> 01:13:42,800 Speaker 1: I like that. Yeah, well, other sports. 1664 01:13:42,439 --> 01:13:44,240 Speaker 2: You have an off season, so you have like a 1665 01:13:44,240 --> 01:13:45,680 Speaker 2: period of time to say, well, what do I need 1666 01:13:45,680 --> 01:13:47,240 Speaker 2: to get better? I can get stronger. With tennis, there's 1667 01:13:47,280 --> 01:13:49,599 Speaker 2: no off seat. It's like every week there's a new tournament, 1668 01:13:49,680 --> 01:13:52,320 Speaker 2: so you can't be too down when you lose, and 1669 01:13:52,360 --> 01:13:54,360 Speaker 2: then when you win, it's like, but you're playing tomorrow, 1670 01:13:54,439 --> 01:13:56,000 Speaker 2: so you've got to just start again. 1671 01:13:56,479 --> 01:13:58,360 Speaker 1: What's something in life that you've had to learn the 1672 01:13:58,400 --> 01:14:05,960 Speaker 1: hard way? Mmmm? That's hard. Yeah, take your time. 1673 01:14:08,080 --> 01:14:09,559 Speaker 2: I don't know. Let me ask you that question. 1674 01:14:09,840 --> 01:14:13,240 Speaker 1: What's something I've had to learn the hard way? There's 1675 01:14:13,280 --> 01:14:15,200 Speaker 1: a hard question, So let me take a second. Two, 1676 01:14:22,560 --> 01:14:26,920 Speaker 1: That no one's coming to save me, That no one, 1677 01:14:27,640 --> 01:14:32,360 Speaker 1: no one magic person is going to discover my abilities, 1678 01:14:33,240 --> 01:14:37,040 Speaker 1: my qualities and help me become the best version of myself. 1679 01:14:37,120 --> 01:14:39,680 Speaker 1: That there's not going to be one person who just 1680 01:14:40,560 --> 01:14:44,000 Speaker 1: activates it all, activates it all and makes it easier 1681 01:14:44,040 --> 01:14:47,120 Speaker 1: and shows me the path and clears all that you know, 1682 01:14:47,479 --> 01:14:50,240 Speaker 1: clears all the obstacles and says, Jay, just walk this way. 1683 01:14:50,280 --> 01:14:52,760 Speaker 2: And like when you put something in iPhone maps and 1684 01:14:52,760 --> 01:14:53,519 Speaker 2: it tells you which. 1685 01:14:53,360 --> 01:14:56,719 Speaker 1: Direction exactly, like someone who's going to come and show 1686 01:14:56,760 --> 01:15:01,280 Speaker 1: you the map of life. And no matter how much 1687 01:15:01,280 --> 01:15:04,280 Speaker 1: someone cares or doesn't care, it's that's not there. And 1688 01:15:04,320 --> 01:15:06,839 Speaker 1: I think i've I think I just had this inbuilt 1689 01:15:06,920 --> 01:15:11,400 Speaker 1: belief since I was young that someone else was going 1690 01:15:11,479 --> 01:15:15,040 Speaker 1: to discover me and help me. And it was only 1691 01:15:15,080 --> 01:15:19,120 Speaker 1: when I realized that that person was me that life 1692 01:15:19,160 --> 01:15:21,640 Speaker 1: became easier. But it took me a long time to 1693 01:15:21,760 --> 01:15:24,920 Speaker 1: learn that, and you know they talk about it in dating, 1694 01:15:25,439 --> 01:15:29,160 Speaker 1: especially for the way women were raised. But it's called 1695 01:15:29,160 --> 01:15:34,559 Speaker 1: the Disney Princess syndrome, this idea of like how Disney 1696 01:15:34,560 --> 01:15:37,720 Speaker 1: made young women believe that one day, your night in 1697 01:15:37,800 --> 01:15:40,760 Speaker 1: shining armor will come and save you and there'll be 1698 01:15:40,800 --> 01:15:43,439 Speaker 1: this perfect guy who has everything figured out, and you'll 1699 01:15:43,520 --> 01:15:45,360 Speaker 1: kiss a frog and he'll become a prince and all 1700 01:15:45,360 --> 01:15:48,280 Speaker 1: these ideas, and I think we all carry that in 1701 01:15:48,320 --> 01:15:50,800 Speaker 1: some ways. So I think that's been really hard for me. 1702 01:15:51,280 --> 01:15:52,840 Speaker 1: And I think the other one was what we were talking 1703 01:15:52,840 --> 01:15:58,320 Speaker 1: about earlier, Like, I think something I've had to learn 1704 01:15:58,360 --> 01:16:02,880 Speaker 1: the hard way is I deeply believed that when I 1705 01:16:02,960 --> 01:16:06,559 Speaker 1: achieve a certain level of success that everyone will like 1706 01:16:06,680 --> 01:16:09,760 Speaker 1: me yeap, Or that when I make it to this 1707 01:16:09,880 --> 01:16:14,479 Speaker 1: level that everyone will recognize my struggle and my pain 1708 01:16:14,960 --> 01:16:17,640 Speaker 1: and everyone will acknowledge how hard I've worked. Yeah, I 1709 01:16:17,640 --> 01:16:19,639 Speaker 1: guess that's probably been my biggest one. 1710 01:16:20,400 --> 01:16:23,000 Speaker 2: Like I wish people like when I meet new people 1711 01:16:23,360 --> 01:16:26,320 Speaker 2: that they just like how I am with people that 1712 01:16:26,360 --> 01:16:29,559 Speaker 2: have achieved things. I'm so grateful. I'm so like proud 1713 01:16:29,560 --> 01:16:30,640 Speaker 2: of them in a way, and I don't even know 1714 01:16:30,680 --> 01:16:32,200 Speaker 2: these people, but I'm like, Wow, you must have worked 1715 01:16:32,200 --> 01:16:34,400 Speaker 2: with hard Like if that for me is like I 1716 01:16:34,439 --> 01:16:36,320 Speaker 2: wish people would give me more, just made me a 1717 01:16:36,360 --> 01:16:38,320 Speaker 2: little bit more credit from time time, you know, just 1718 01:16:39,160 --> 01:16:41,559 Speaker 2: of some of the things that it's been hard. It 1719 01:16:41,560 --> 01:16:43,840 Speaker 2: hasn't been like an easy journey at all for me 1720 01:16:44,240 --> 01:16:48,760 Speaker 2: and for I'm sure anyone in a position of achieving things, 1721 01:16:48,800 --> 01:16:49,919 Speaker 2: it's been so hard. 1722 01:16:50,240 --> 01:16:52,599 Speaker 1: Yeah, And that could be anything, right, Like I think 1723 01:16:52,640 --> 01:16:56,240 Speaker 1: we're talking about every everyone, Like anyone. If you're someone 1724 01:16:56,280 --> 01:16:57,920 Speaker 1: who's just figuring out how to pay the bills for 1725 01:16:57,960 --> 01:16:59,400 Speaker 1: your family or you're taking. 1726 01:16:59,200 --> 01:17:00,880 Speaker 2: Care of you, you have a little pat on the back, 1727 01:17:00,920 --> 01:17:02,560 Speaker 2: you deserve to sit down and may be made to 1728 01:17:02,600 --> 01:17:04,160 Speaker 2: feel good a little bit about things, you know. 1729 01:17:04,400 --> 01:17:06,680 Speaker 1: Yeah. Yeah, And it's almost weird because we think of 1730 01:17:06,720 --> 01:17:09,000 Speaker 1: that as cheesy. Yeah, and we think of that as 1731 01:17:09,000 --> 01:17:11,559 Speaker 1: like I'll get over it, you know. Just but I 1732 01:17:11,600 --> 01:17:13,320 Speaker 1: feel like we all need. Me and my friend talk 1733 01:17:13,360 --> 01:17:15,880 Speaker 1: about my best man at my wedding though, my best mate. 1734 01:17:16,240 --> 01:17:18,040 Speaker 1: We talk about this a lot about how we all 1735 01:17:18,080 --> 01:17:22,320 Speaker 1: need a sense of acknowledgment and recognition for what we're doing. 1736 01:17:22,960 --> 01:17:24,680 Speaker 1: And a lot of the time that scene is like 1737 01:17:24,840 --> 01:17:27,960 Speaker 1: soft or it's scene as like, oh you shouldn't need that, like, 1738 01:17:28,040 --> 01:17:28,680 Speaker 1: get over it. 1739 01:17:28,800 --> 01:17:30,680 Speaker 2: I think it's motivating, Like, I think it makes you 1740 01:17:30,680 --> 01:17:33,240 Speaker 2: want to achieve more when people recognize, Okay, you're doing 1741 01:17:33,240 --> 01:17:36,000 Speaker 2: really well, you're on the right track, keep going. It's 1742 01:17:36,040 --> 01:17:38,760 Speaker 2: not like it's not arrogant. I think to just sit 1743 01:17:38,840 --> 01:17:41,080 Speaker 2: down and recognize that I've come a long way, I'm 1744 01:17:41,080 --> 01:17:43,559 Speaker 2: on the right track, and what I'm doing is very special. 1745 01:17:44,240 --> 01:17:46,439 Speaker 2: I think that could be motivating in a way rather 1746 01:17:46,479 --> 01:17:48,639 Speaker 2: than seen as like soft or why do you need 1747 01:17:48,680 --> 01:17:51,000 Speaker 2: credit for that? Like it's like you're not doing things 1748 01:17:51,040 --> 01:17:53,439 Speaker 2: that every single person is doing. Like that you're doing 1749 01:17:53,520 --> 01:17:57,439 Speaker 2: obviously something about you is special, your your you know 1750 01:17:57,520 --> 01:17:59,680 Speaker 2: your details, or you're ticking everything off the box, like 1751 01:17:59,720 --> 01:18:01,760 Speaker 2: that's you shouldn't need acknowledgment for that. 1752 01:18:03,040 --> 01:18:09,520 Speaker 1: What's is there? Is there a moment that you wish 1753 01:18:09,680 --> 01:18:12,160 Speaker 1: you'd act differently in a press conference or in a game, 1754 01:18:13,160 --> 01:18:15,080 Speaker 1: a moment where you look back and think, you know what, 1755 01:18:15,240 --> 01:18:18,519 Speaker 1: actually I'm better than that, and I'm such a I'm 1756 01:18:18,520 --> 01:18:21,519 Speaker 1: a nice guy. That's not me. That was so far 1757 01:18:21,640 --> 01:18:24,080 Speaker 1: from who I am that I actually don't feel good 1758 01:18:24,120 --> 01:18:24,360 Speaker 1: about it. 1759 01:18:24,400 --> 01:18:26,479 Speaker 2: Yeah, I've had so many moments like that. I mean 1760 01:18:26,520 --> 01:18:28,519 Speaker 2: I could go on YouTube now, and I guess the 1761 01:18:28,520 --> 01:18:30,280 Speaker 2: thing about tennis is when you finish a match, you 1762 01:18:30,400 --> 01:18:33,640 Speaker 2: only you have to do media like so soon to 1763 01:18:33,720 --> 01:18:36,400 Speaker 2: when finishing, so you haven't had time to digest any 1764 01:18:36,439 --> 01:18:39,320 Speaker 2: sort of emotions. So you go in there. And the 1765 01:18:39,360 --> 01:18:41,200 Speaker 2: thing about it now with me, I walk into a 1766 01:18:41,280 --> 01:18:43,880 Speaker 2: room with about fifty people already to attack me. They're 1767 01:18:43,920 --> 01:18:45,519 Speaker 2: not actually going to ask me about, oh, how did 1768 01:18:45,520 --> 01:18:47,240 Speaker 2: the match play out. They're going to just nitpick and 1769 01:18:47,600 --> 01:18:50,320 Speaker 2: come at me in an aggressive way. And I haven't 1770 01:18:50,320 --> 01:18:52,599 Speaker 2: had time to digest. I haven't even eaten after four 1771 01:18:52,640 --> 01:18:54,760 Speaker 2: hours sometimes and then when I did that time one 1772 01:18:54,760 --> 01:18:58,800 Speaker 2: Piers Morgan, he's like, this guy's so rude, he's such 1773 01:18:58,880 --> 01:19:00,800 Speaker 2: so disrespectable. I played for four and a half hours. 1774 01:19:00,840 --> 01:19:03,639 Speaker 2: I needed to eat some food because for my nutrition 1775 01:19:03,760 --> 01:19:06,920 Speaker 2: and my preparation. So it's like I walk in there 1776 01:19:06,920 --> 01:19:09,400 Speaker 2: and I have had no time to digest. I haven't 1777 01:19:09,680 --> 01:19:11,840 Speaker 2: and then these people are just going at me, and 1778 01:19:11,880 --> 01:19:15,040 Speaker 2: then I retaliate, and for me, oh, I'm not that 1779 01:19:15,200 --> 01:19:15,880 Speaker 2: that's fine. 1780 01:19:15,880 --> 01:19:17,360 Speaker 1: You should be able to retaliate. But then I look 1781 01:19:17,400 --> 01:19:20,080 Speaker 1: back at all the people that are watching this kids, 1782 01:19:20,120 --> 01:19:22,559 Speaker 1: and they see I could be disrespectful to someone that 1783 01:19:22,640 --> 01:19:24,839 Speaker 1: I don't even want to be that, but in that moment, 1784 01:19:25,920 --> 01:19:27,800 Speaker 1: I just haven't had any time to just reflect on 1785 01:19:27,840 --> 01:19:29,000 Speaker 1: what's just happened. 1786 01:19:29,320 --> 01:19:31,120 Speaker 2: And I feel like, yeah, I do. I do regret 1787 01:19:31,200 --> 01:19:33,080 Speaker 2: sometimes on how I've acted on the tennis cord and 1788 01:19:33,120 --> 01:19:36,760 Speaker 2: the press conference, because it's it's not that version of 1789 01:19:36,840 --> 01:19:39,360 Speaker 2: Nick Curios that I want people to, like millions of 1790 01:19:39,360 --> 01:19:40,720 Speaker 2: people to watch and say, oh, that's how he is. 1791 01:19:40,760 --> 01:19:42,160 Speaker 1: What a prick, you know what I mean. But that's 1792 01:19:42,200 --> 01:19:42,479 Speaker 1: not me. 1793 01:19:42,920 --> 01:19:44,760 Speaker 2: And Australians in general we have a bit of that 1794 01:19:44,920 --> 01:19:48,320 Speaker 2: like where if you come at us, we'll retaliate in 1795 01:19:48,360 --> 01:19:51,040 Speaker 2: a way of, you know, will make you feel it too. 1796 01:19:51,280 --> 01:19:54,200 Speaker 2: And I guess that my upbringing, where you know, the 1797 01:19:54,240 --> 01:19:56,519 Speaker 2: bullying and stuff, I've always had that chip or shoulder 1798 01:19:56,520 --> 01:19:57,840 Speaker 2: where I'm in that position to give it. 1799 01:19:57,880 --> 01:19:59,040 Speaker 1: I'll give it a little bit, you know. 1800 01:19:59,160 --> 01:20:02,479 Speaker 2: So I don't feel proud of making other people feel bad, 1801 01:20:02,720 --> 01:20:05,639 Speaker 2: and I think it's just more of a retaliation of 1802 01:20:06,280 --> 01:20:07,840 Speaker 2: I know how much it hurts, so now I'm going 1803 01:20:07,880 --> 01:20:08,800 Speaker 2: to give it back to you a little bit. And 1804 01:20:08,880 --> 01:20:11,240 Speaker 2: that's not that's not a good thing to do, especially after, 1805 01:20:11,640 --> 01:20:13,400 Speaker 2: you know, in a press conference where millions of people 1806 01:20:13,400 --> 01:20:13,960 Speaker 2: are going to see it. 1807 01:20:14,240 --> 01:20:16,519 Speaker 1: Ye see, I definitely have some regrets with that. Yeah, 1808 01:20:16,600 --> 01:20:18,679 Speaker 1: especially when it's not you, it's not me. I think 1809 01:20:18,680 --> 01:20:21,519 Speaker 1: that's I think that's the hardest part, right, Like, when 1810 01:20:21,560 --> 01:20:24,600 Speaker 1: something is you, there's a certain understanding that you have 1811 01:20:24,680 --> 01:20:26,400 Speaker 1: with it. But when you feel like that's not me, 1812 01:20:27,400 --> 01:20:30,519 Speaker 1: like I can empathize with that, Like if in any 1813 01:20:30,680 --> 01:20:34,439 Speaker 1: conversation or anything that I've done more offline where I've 1814 01:20:34,439 --> 01:20:36,800 Speaker 1: not acted like myself. It's almost the hardest thing in 1815 01:20:36,840 --> 01:20:39,599 Speaker 1: the world because I'm like, God, now I've shown someone 1816 01:20:39,720 --> 01:20:40,720 Speaker 1: aside of me that's not. 1817 01:20:40,720 --> 01:20:42,880 Speaker 2: Me exactly, and then they run with it. They're like, 1818 01:20:43,240 --> 01:20:45,479 Speaker 2: look how he is. Yeah, and I'm like, that was 1819 01:20:45,560 --> 01:20:48,800 Speaker 2: like a ten minute press conference, you know, it's not 1820 01:20:48,880 --> 01:20:52,479 Speaker 2: even at all of what I actually what's the kind 1821 01:20:52,479 --> 01:20:54,639 Speaker 2: of person I am at all? So, Yeah, that's been 1822 01:20:54,720 --> 01:20:55,519 Speaker 2: that's been hard. 1823 01:20:55,520 --> 01:20:57,600 Speaker 1: And it's interesting, by the way, it is interesting to 1824 01:20:57,680 --> 01:21:00,200 Speaker 1: understand the context of your playing for four and a 1825 01:21:00,200 --> 01:21:03,479 Speaker 1: half hours, you haven't eaten, Like it's good to know, well, 1826 01:21:03,560 --> 01:21:06,040 Speaker 1: you know, like the human side of like if you're 1827 01:21:06,040 --> 01:21:08,280 Speaker 1: watching a press conference, you're not thinking it through that deeply. 1828 01:21:08,400 --> 01:21:08,840 Speaker 2: No, you're not. 1829 01:21:08,960 --> 01:21:10,439 Speaker 1: You're just like, Oh, this guy's just come off the 1830 01:21:10,479 --> 01:21:13,360 Speaker 1: court like whatever. You know, it's what we do. And 1831 01:21:13,439 --> 01:21:15,160 Speaker 1: it's interesting because I'm like, yeah, if I was hungry 1832 01:21:15,200 --> 01:21:17,639 Speaker 1: for four and a half hours and I'm just played 1833 01:21:17,680 --> 01:21:19,920 Speaker 1: and I get asked a question that annoys me, I 1834 01:21:19,920 --> 01:21:22,800 Speaker 1: can imagine retaliating too and being defensive. 1835 01:21:22,400 --> 01:21:24,920 Speaker 2: Like exactly is if the player had you know, if 1836 01:21:24,960 --> 01:21:26,800 Speaker 2: you came back into the tennis courts next day and 1837 01:21:26,840 --> 01:21:29,920 Speaker 2: had a whole night to reflect on the match, moments 1838 01:21:29,920 --> 01:21:31,960 Speaker 2: where you were great, moments where you weren't, you could 1839 01:21:32,000 --> 01:21:35,679 Speaker 2: just speak calmer about situations like when couples have a fight. 1840 01:21:36,040 --> 01:21:38,880 Speaker 2: Sometimes having figuring it out then and there is not 1841 01:21:38,880 --> 01:21:40,799 Speaker 2: the best thing. You know, you need some time away, 1842 01:21:41,080 --> 01:21:42,919 Speaker 2: you need to reflect, you need to have a conversation 1843 01:21:42,960 --> 01:21:45,120 Speaker 2: and come back and when you're both karma like rather 1844 01:21:45,120 --> 01:21:47,080 Speaker 2: than when the emotions are high and he just turns 1845 01:21:47,080 --> 01:21:50,760 Speaker 2: into an absolute explosion. So yeah, I mean that's the 1846 01:21:50,760 --> 01:21:52,840 Speaker 2: same thing. Yeah, And you're not walking I'm not walking 1847 01:21:52,840 --> 01:21:54,760 Speaker 2: into a room where they're empathetic that I lost. 1848 01:21:54,800 --> 01:21:55,920 Speaker 1: They're like, oh why do you lose? For why? 1849 01:21:56,000 --> 01:21:56,200 Speaker 2: Jack? 1850 01:21:56,280 --> 01:21:58,360 Speaker 1: Like this, It's like, okay, you're attacking me. Now I'm 1851 01:21:58,360 --> 01:22:00,559 Speaker 1: going to go back at you and then yeah, so yeah, 1852 01:22:00,560 --> 01:22:03,720 Speaker 1: and it's the trap it is, that's the articles in 1853 01:22:03,760 --> 01:22:06,040 Speaker 1: the headlines they want, it's the game they want to Yeah, 1854 01:22:06,080 --> 01:22:08,400 Speaker 1: who is that? Who is the basketball player who had 1855 01:22:08,400 --> 01:22:10,960 Speaker 1: a really good response? Was it Yannis? Oh? Yeah? 1856 01:22:11,000 --> 01:22:12,439 Speaker 2: And he's like, do you you know if you don't 1857 01:22:12,479 --> 01:22:14,120 Speaker 2: get a promotion, do you see that as a bad year? 1858 01:22:14,560 --> 01:22:14,960 Speaker 1: Exactly? 1859 01:22:14,960 --> 01:22:18,479 Speaker 2: Everything is building? You know, losing is not always seen 1860 01:22:18,520 --> 01:22:20,280 Speaker 2: as a failure. Why is that? 1861 01:22:20,560 --> 01:22:24,040 Speaker 1: So? Yeah? I agree, No, it was. What is the joy? 1862 01:22:24,160 --> 01:22:27,320 Speaker 1: Tell me? Tell me how it feels to break a rackular? 1863 01:22:27,400 --> 01:22:29,519 Speaker 1: How how does that feel? It does feel good? It 1864 01:22:29,520 --> 01:22:32,559 Speaker 1: does feel good. It does feel good sometimes it feels good. 1865 01:22:32,640 --> 01:22:34,040 Speaker 1: When does it? When does it feel good? And when 1866 01:22:34,040 --> 01:22:34,800 Speaker 1: does it not feel good? 1867 01:22:34,880 --> 01:22:37,080 Speaker 2: I guess it doesn't feel good when I know it's 1868 01:22:37,080 --> 01:22:40,160 Speaker 2: detrimental to what's going on. If look, when I know 1869 01:22:40,200 --> 01:22:42,960 Speaker 2: when I get to that level of anger, I know 1870 01:22:43,040 --> 01:22:45,240 Speaker 2: that it's not helping me. But sometimes you know, if 1871 01:22:45,280 --> 01:22:48,000 Speaker 2: I've lost the match and you know that the match 1872 01:22:48,040 --> 01:22:49,320 Speaker 2: is over, and I go to my bag and I 1873 01:22:49,360 --> 01:22:51,000 Speaker 2: see it there, and I know that I've got all 1874 01:22:51,000 --> 01:22:52,599 Speaker 2: this anger built up, and I let loose. 1875 01:22:52,880 --> 01:22:53,760 Speaker 1: It does feel good. 1876 01:22:54,560 --> 01:22:57,600 Speaker 2: The timing of doing those things can help your performance 1877 01:22:57,840 --> 01:23:00,439 Speaker 2: or you know, because sometimes I've seen in my experience, 1878 01:23:00,479 --> 01:23:02,880 Speaker 2: but other athletes like Jokovic and Serena William all these 1879 01:23:03,080 --> 01:23:06,000 Speaker 2: legends of broken rackets. But the response after that's the 1880 01:23:06,080 --> 01:23:08,200 Speaker 2: key component. And sometimes you need to let off the 1881 01:23:08,240 --> 01:23:10,400 Speaker 2: steam because you're expecting. 1882 01:23:10,040 --> 01:23:10,839 Speaker 1: More from yourself. 1883 01:23:10,880 --> 01:23:13,040 Speaker 2: And I feel like the response if you're going to 1884 01:23:13,080 --> 01:23:15,360 Speaker 2: come back with energy and you know, say I did that, 1885 01:23:15,520 --> 01:23:18,280 Speaker 2: now it's time to reset, that it can actually help 1886 01:23:18,320 --> 01:23:18,880 Speaker 2: you in a way. 1887 01:23:19,080 --> 01:23:22,400 Speaker 1: Walk us through the balance of when anger is helpful 1888 01:23:22,720 --> 01:23:25,879 Speaker 1: versus when it becomes destructive where you found it, Because. 1889 01:23:25,640 --> 01:23:27,720 Speaker 2: I've been angry where I've broken rackets and then I 1890 01:23:27,880 --> 01:23:30,320 Speaker 2: become you know, smart us with the umpire and then 1891 01:23:30,479 --> 01:23:32,680 Speaker 2: I'm actually not concentrating on what I need to do 1892 01:23:32,800 --> 01:23:34,639 Speaker 2: to win the match. It's like I'm more pissed off 1893 01:23:34,640 --> 01:23:36,880 Speaker 2: at myself and more pissed off at the umpire. Where 1894 01:23:36,880 --> 01:23:39,439 Speaker 2: I've had times where if I break a racket and 1895 01:23:39,840 --> 01:23:41,240 Speaker 2: you know, I walk back to my bag and I'm like, 1896 01:23:41,280 --> 01:23:42,800 Speaker 2: all right, here we go. You've you've done that. Now 1897 01:23:42,880 --> 01:23:46,040 Speaker 2: you know it's time to reset. We're not playing well, 1898 01:23:46,200 --> 01:23:48,240 Speaker 2: But now how are we going to change that. So 1899 01:23:48,320 --> 01:23:50,719 Speaker 2: I feel like the discipline of doing and these great 1900 01:23:50,800 --> 01:23:53,880 Speaker 2: players have shown that and they start playing better and 1901 01:23:53,920 --> 01:23:54,800 Speaker 2: they end up winning the match. 1902 01:23:54,840 --> 01:23:57,920 Speaker 1: So it's hard because you don't want to make. 1903 01:23:57,760 --> 01:23:59,400 Speaker 2: It seem like a violent act because then kids are 1904 01:23:59,400 --> 01:24:01,479 Speaker 2: gonna be like, all, k to throw rackets, It's okay 1905 01:24:01,520 --> 01:24:03,840 Speaker 2: to But that's why I think the response after that's 1906 01:24:03,840 --> 01:24:05,760 Speaker 2: more important. It's like, he did that, but then he 1907 01:24:05,800 --> 01:24:08,640 Speaker 2: started playing unbelievable, so something must have clicked in his 1908 01:24:08,640 --> 01:24:11,320 Speaker 2: head after he did that. So I guess it can 1909 01:24:11,720 --> 01:24:13,240 Speaker 2: be positive, but you don't. I'm not going to sit 1910 01:24:13,240 --> 01:24:14,840 Speaker 2: here and say, yeah, smash all the rackets in the world. 1911 01:24:14,880 --> 01:24:18,160 Speaker 1: No, not at all. Yeah no, no, that that's a 1912 01:24:18,560 --> 01:24:21,120 Speaker 1: that's a thoughtful response, Like I I can appreciate that, 1913 01:24:21,240 --> 01:24:25,360 Speaker 1: Like I can definitely see how getting that kind of 1914 01:24:25,400 --> 01:24:31,679 Speaker 1: competitive spirit out in a physical act can be like helpful. 1915 01:24:32,160 --> 01:24:36,120 Speaker 1: I can recognize that and unless it hurts someone else, 1916 01:24:36,200 --> 01:24:40,160 Speaker 1: which it isn't exactly. And so it's it's interesting how 1917 01:24:40,320 --> 01:24:44,880 Speaker 1: like you're saying, like the greats do it often, but 1918 01:24:45,960 --> 01:24:48,800 Speaker 1: the response is like, how did how did that help 1919 01:24:48,840 --> 01:24:52,040 Speaker 1: you process things? Versus how did it lead down? 1920 01:24:52,120 --> 01:24:55,040 Speaker 2: It's like a complete reset almost so yeah, and I've 1921 01:24:55,080 --> 01:24:57,640 Speaker 2: seen it all the time, Like I've seen Djokovic, al 1922 01:24:57,720 --> 01:25:00,080 Speaker 2: choraz Serena do these things and it's like, Okay, I 1923 01:25:00,200 --> 01:25:02,559 Speaker 2: realize they're not playing up to their standard and they 1924 01:25:02,560 --> 01:25:04,240 Speaker 2: go back and you see them breathing, and then it's 1925 01:25:04,280 --> 01:25:07,840 Speaker 2: like they've done that. It's like they've reached the limit 1926 01:25:07,880 --> 01:25:10,160 Speaker 2: of playing really bad and now it's time to switch that. 1927 01:25:10,680 --> 01:25:12,360 Speaker 2: So it's good. I mean, it can be used as 1928 01:25:12,400 --> 01:25:13,280 Speaker 2: a research. 1929 01:25:13,160 --> 01:25:15,439 Speaker 1: How much is meditation and breathing or mindful it has 1930 01:25:15,479 --> 01:25:17,880 Speaker 1: been a part of your world or is that something 1931 01:25:17,880 --> 01:25:20,360 Speaker 1: you're discovering or you've been practicing for a while. 1932 01:25:20,560 --> 01:25:23,439 Speaker 2: I'm just I'm a complete work in progress. Like people 1933 01:25:23,520 --> 01:25:26,640 Speaker 2: think that I've got my stuff figured out, and you know, 1934 01:25:26,720 --> 01:25:28,920 Speaker 2: I have a nice routine. Like people don't realize that 1935 01:25:28,960 --> 01:25:32,519 Speaker 2: having a routine is harder than doing something different and 1936 01:25:32,600 --> 01:25:35,920 Speaker 2: having stimulation every day. That's easy, Like waking up and 1937 01:25:35,960 --> 01:25:38,000 Speaker 2: doing something different is so easy every day. But can 1938 01:25:38,040 --> 01:25:41,639 Speaker 2: you get up week in week out, monthly, yearly doing 1939 01:25:41,680 --> 01:25:44,880 Speaker 2: the same routine having the discipline like that's Having a 1940 01:25:44,960 --> 01:25:47,479 Speaker 2: routine for me is probably the hardest thing ever. And 1941 01:25:47,479 --> 01:25:50,320 Speaker 2: that's been my weakness in my career is consistency. Okay, 1942 01:25:50,360 --> 01:25:53,040 Speaker 2: played great that week with Kenny Shop, and I haven't proven. 1943 01:25:53,120 --> 01:25:56,080 Speaker 2: I guess that's what I haven't proven, is I've been 1944 01:25:56,080 --> 01:25:57,800 Speaker 2: because this is enough to make it this far. But 1945 01:25:57,840 --> 01:25:59,479 Speaker 2: am I consistent enough to be a champion? 1946 01:26:00,120 --> 01:26:01,040 Speaker 1: Not? And I know that. 1947 01:26:01,280 --> 01:26:04,639 Speaker 2: So I think I'm still working progress, whether it's meditation, 1948 01:26:04,680 --> 01:26:07,840 Speaker 2: whether it's breathing. Like I started pilates like two months ago. 1949 01:26:07,920 --> 01:26:09,640 Speaker 2: I never thought that i'd have stop for light. It's 1950 01:26:09,640 --> 01:26:11,360 Speaker 2: like when my girlfriend went to polart Is. I'm like, 1951 01:26:11,560 --> 01:26:13,000 Speaker 2: I was led laughing and I started doing it. I'm like, 1952 01:26:13,040 --> 01:26:16,120 Speaker 2: oh my god, this is I'm still trying to figure out. 1953 01:26:16,160 --> 01:26:17,559 Speaker 2: Like breathing for me is a big one. When I'm 1954 01:26:17,560 --> 01:26:21,200 Speaker 2: on court, I really am mindful of my breathing. But 1955 01:26:21,840 --> 01:26:23,840 Speaker 2: am I I don't even think I'm at that point 1956 01:26:23,840 --> 01:26:26,599 Speaker 2: of discipline or consistency yet to meditate. I can't even 1957 01:26:26,880 --> 01:26:29,479 Speaker 2: I hate being alone with my thoughts still, I still 1958 01:26:29,520 --> 01:26:32,679 Speaker 2: have extremely dark thoughts. So I think I just try 1959 01:26:32,760 --> 01:26:35,479 Speaker 2: with easy, you know, consistent habits. You know, go for 1960 01:26:35,520 --> 01:26:36,680 Speaker 2: a walk to get a coffe in the morning with 1961 01:26:36,720 --> 01:26:41,280 Speaker 2: my girlfriend or you know, just these lighter things. Having 1962 01:26:41,280 --> 01:26:44,200 Speaker 2: a routine for me is incredibly hard still, and people 1963 01:26:44,240 --> 01:26:45,519 Speaker 2: with routine think, oh they're boring. 1964 01:26:45,560 --> 01:26:47,720 Speaker 1: No, they're just they're really. 1965 01:26:47,520 --> 01:26:51,280 Speaker 2: Disciplined and consistent with their work. And that's that's really healthy. 1966 01:26:51,800 --> 01:26:56,040 Speaker 1: Routines and disciplines, I mean, yeah, they're so hard, so 1967 01:26:56,520 --> 01:26:59,640 Speaker 1: hard to build, easy to break, yeah, so easy to 1968 01:26:59,760 --> 01:27:04,320 Speaker 1: fall laugh, so hard to get back on, and so 1969 01:27:04,520 --> 01:27:08,040 Speaker 1: powerful when you get them right. And yeah, anyone who 1970 01:27:08,120 --> 01:27:12,000 Speaker 1: can keep a discipline together every day is it's a 1971 01:27:12,040 --> 01:27:17,840 Speaker 1: serious achievement. It is what's the most difficult emotional thought 1972 01:27:17,880 --> 01:27:20,599 Speaker 1: that you deal with regularly still, or an emotional thought 1973 01:27:20,680 --> 01:27:24,120 Speaker 1: you struggle to deal with still that I'm not enough. 1974 01:27:24,240 --> 01:27:27,479 Speaker 2: I think that was the biggest one I think I 1975 01:27:27,800 --> 01:27:31,479 Speaker 2: struggled with was I'm letting people down and I'm not enough. 1976 01:27:31,560 --> 01:27:35,160 Speaker 2: And that's from you know, millions and millions of opinions 1977 01:27:35,160 --> 01:27:37,639 Speaker 2: that have just built up over time. And I can see, 1978 01:27:38,280 --> 01:27:40,200 Speaker 2: you know, when I lose a tennis match or when 1979 01:27:40,200 --> 01:27:42,559 Speaker 2: I don't achieve things. I can see sometimes my even 1980 01:27:42,560 --> 01:27:45,880 Speaker 2: my family get disappointed. And that's just it just ate 1981 01:27:45,920 --> 01:27:48,360 Speaker 2: me up for so long, like going on social media 1982 01:27:48,400 --> 01:27:50,840 Speaker 2: saying because I was supposed to be the next after 1983 01:27:50,880 --> 01:27:52,800 Speaker 2: the Big Three, it was like, Okay, Curious is going 1984 01:27:52,880 --> 01:27:54,320 Speaker 2: to take over the mantle. He's going to be the 1985 01:27:54,320 --> 01:27:58,679 Speaker 2: one for fifteen years, you know, being professional winning Grand slams. 1986 01:27:58,680 --> 01:28:01,240 Speaker 2: And I think back on my career and I didn't 1987 01:28:01,280 --> 01:28:03,800 Speaker 2: even get close, not even a quarter of what people 1988 01:28:03,800 --> 01:28:06,519 Speaker 2: thought that I should have achieved with the talent that 1989 01:28:06,560 --> 01:28:08,680 Speaker 2: I have. And I still deal with it. 1990 01:28:08,680 --> 01:28:09,080 Speaker 1: It's like. 1991 01:28:11,040 --> 01:28:13,360 Speaker 2: I'm never going to achieve what all these people thought 1992 01:28:13,400 --> 01:28:15,400 Speaker 2: I was gonna achieve. But I've had tough conversations with 1993 01:28:15,400 --> 01:28:17,960 Speaker 2: myself in the mirror, saying like, am I okay with 1994 01:28:18,000 --> 01:28:19,720 Speaker 2: not maybe winning a Grand Slam? Am I okay with 1995 01:28:19,760 --> 01:28:23,320 Speaker 2: not achieving? And I am I'm okay with that, But 1996 01:28:23,360 --> 01:28:26,439 Speaker 2: it's still hard because it's like I know that my 1997 01:28:26,479 --> 01:28:28,920 Speaker 2: family would love that like they maybe would they they 1998 01:28:28,920 --> 01:28:32,240 Speaker 2: would prefer me being that type of champion or this person. 1999 01:28:32,320 --> 01:28:34,840 Speaker 2: And I really did struggle with that early on, Like 2000 01:28:36,040 --> 01:28:38,439 Speaker 2: it's hard. Everyone wants you to be something that you're not. 2001 01:28:39,360 --> 01:28:42,200 Speaker 2: But the one thing that they kind of understand more 2002 01:28:42,280 --> 01:28:44,679 Speaker 2: is that I'm happier being this this way. I'm happier 2003 01:28:45,439 --> 01:28:47,960 Speaker 2: just being myself and having some fun and just doing 2004 01:28:47,960 --> 01:28:51,200 Speaker 2: it my way. And I'm so thankful that the most 2005 01:28:51,240 --> 01:28:54,160 Speaker 2: important people are, they cannot just understand. I'm not saying 2006 01:28:54,160 --> 01:28:55,559 Speaker 2: that that's what they want, but the at least they 2007 01:28:55,560 --> 01:28:58,400 Speaker 2: can understand it now. But yeah, that's been. That was 2008 01:28:58,560 --> 01:28:59,080 Speaker 2: the hardest thing. 2009 01:28:59,080 --> 01:29:03,080 Speaker 1: I think for me, that makes sense. Nick, You've been incredible, man, 2010 01:29:03,120 --> 01:29:06,080 Speaker 1: this has been. What I really appreciate about you is 2011 01:29:06,160 --> 01:29:13,120 Speaker 1: the genuine, authentic, raw, real answers, Like I can tell 2012 01:29:13,160 --> 01:29:16,400 Speaker 1: what I'm sitting with you, I'm listening to someone who's not. 2013 01:29:18,000 --> 01:29:20,400 Speaker 1: It's interesting in a press conference it seems like you 2014 01:29:20,439 --> 01:29:24,960 Speaker 1: don't filter the combativeness, and today I'm like, you're not 2015 01:29:25,080 --> 01:29:30,880 Speaker 1: filtering to make yourself look a different way or a 2016 01:29:30,960 --> 01:29:32,760 Speaker 1: peer a different way. You just being who you are. 2017 01:29:32,800 --> 01:29:35,800 Speaker 1: And I really appreciate that because I think we all 2018 01:29:35,840 --> 01:29:38,640 Speaker 1: need to make sense of it. And I think a 2019 01:29:38,640 --> 01:29:41,519 Speaker 1: lot of us who are struggling with that feeling of 2020 01:29:41,800 --> 01:29:44,720 Speaker 1: not being enough, or not living up to the expectations 2021 01:29:44,720 --> 01:29:47,479 Speaker 1: of our family, or not having achieved the goals that 2022 01:29:47,520 --> 01:29:50,160 Speaker 1: everyone else thought we'd set out to. I think that's 2023 01:29:50,200 --> 01:29:52,560 Speaker 1: more of us in life than the people who go 2024 01:29:52,680 --> 01:29:55,320 Speaker 1: on to achieve everything. And the interesting thing is, even 2025 01:29:55,360 --> 01:29:57,320 Speaker 1: the people that go on to achieve everything that everyone 2026 01:29:57,360 --> 01:30:00,719 Speaker 1: wanted them to, they're not happy either, because they often 2027 01:30:00,760 --> 01:30:02,880 Speaker 1: find that they went in one at things that they 2028 01:30:02,880 --> 01:30:05,640 Speaker 1: didn't care about. They lost themselves and they lost themselves. 2029 01:30:05,680 --> 01:30:08,559 Speaker 1: And so I know that this is going to resonate 2030 01:30:08,600 --> 01:30:10,200 Speaker 1: with a lot of people. But as you know, we 2031 01:30:10,360 --> 01:30:13,679 Speaker 1: end every on Purpose episode with a final five. These 2032 01:30:13,800 --> 01:30:15,840 Speaker 1: questions have to be answered in one word to one 2033 01:30:15,920 --> 01:30:19,320 Speaker 1: sentence maximum okay, and so Nick curious, these are your 2034 01:30:19,320 --> 01:30:22,200 Speaker 1: final five. The first question is what is the best 2035 01:30:22,240 --> 01:30:25,560 Speaker 1: advice you've ever heard or received. 2036 01:30:27,040 --> 01:30:28,680 Speaker 2: It's never as good as it seems, and it's never 2037 01:30:28,680 --> 01:30:29,599 Speaker 2: as bad as it seems. 2038 01:30:30,680 --> 01:30:32,160 Speaker 1: Who said that? Where did you learn that? 2039 01:30:32,280 --> 01:30:35,880 Speaker 2: So he was one of my tennis coaches, and I 2040 01:30:35,920 --> 01:30:39,360 Speaker 2: feel like that was very tennis specific because when I 2041 01:30:39,400 --> 01:30:42,360 Speaker 2: was on court, I had the talent to like amaze 2042 01:30:42,400 --> 01:30:44,240 Speaker 2: millions of people, but I always went on court and 2043 01:30:44,320 --> 01:30:46,120 Speaker 2: tried to do that, where he was like, you don't 2044 01:30:46,280 --> 01:30:48,120 Speaker 2: have to do that. These people paid to come what 2045 01:30:48,200 --> 01:30:50,320 Speaker 2: you played just because of how you just are. 2046 01:30:50,880 --> 01:30:51,760 Speaker 1: So I always was. 2047 01:30:51,680 --> 01:30:53,280 Speaker 2: Like, Okay, maybe I don't have to try as hard. 2048 01:30:53,640 --> 01:30:56,920 Speaker 2: And then when I was playing bad, I used to 2049 01:30:56,920 --> 01:30:58,960 Speaker 2: think I was playing horrific, but then he was like, 2050 01:30:59,479 --> 01:31:02,800 Speaker 2: you're bad for most people. Is still amazing so it's 2051 01:31:02,840 --> 01:31:05,120 Speaker 2: not that bad. And then I started carrying that to 2052 01:31:05,160 --> 01:31:07,839 Speaker 2: everyday life, like when I was having some really bad moments, 2053 01:31:08,360 --> 01:31:10,479 Speaker 2: and everyone thinks when they're going through the struggle, like 2054 01:31:10,560 --> 01:31:12,200 Speaker 2: this is the worst part of my life, and I'm like, 2055 01:31:12,720 --> 01:31:14,439 Speaker 2: this is not the worst part of your life. It's 2056 01:31:14,479 --> 01:31:16,080 Speaker 2: just going through a bad phase. So that's why I'm 2057 01:31:16,080 --> 01:31:18,880 Speaker 2: never too high anymore. With some amazing achievements, like when 2058 01:31:18,880 --> 01:31:22,400 Speaker 2: I finals of Wimbledon, to most people is an amazing achievement, 2059 01:31:22,439 --> 01:31:25,120 Speaker 2: and it is, but I wasn't, like, so I carried 2060 01:31:25,120 --> 01:31:27,479 Speaker 2: my trophy with me and I'm like, you know, I'm 2061 01:31:27,479 --> 01:31:30,599 Speaker 2: a felt like I just you know, it's an amazing 2062 01:31:30,600 --> 01:31:33,679 Speaker 2: achievement and it's in the past now. So I think 2063 01:31:33,760 --> 01:31:35,880 Speaker 2: just being able to ride the highs and the lows 2064 01:31:35,920 --> 01:31:37,840 Speaker 2: the same. I think when you're able to do that, 2065 01:31:38,080 --> 01:31:40,960 Speaker 2: it's you can just navigate through life a little easier. 2066 01:31:41,560 --> 01:31:45,160 Speaker 2: And you know that's actually the quote above the Wimbledon 2067 01:31:45,240 --> 01:31:47,840 Speaker 2: court is when you can look at a victory in 2068 01:31:47,880 --> 01:31:50,800 Speaker 2: a loss the same way, that's when you've conquered life 2069 01:31:50,840 --> 01:31:53,000 Speaker 2: a little bit. So I think, yeah, that's like the 2070 01:31:53,000 --> 01:31:55,040 Speaker 2: final thing you see above the core as it's opening 2071 01:31:55,080 --> 01:31:56,439 Speaker 2: up I'm not sure that's the exact quote, but it's 2072 01:31:56,439 --> 01:31:59,479 Speaker 2: along those lines. So that quote there is very similar 2073 01:31:59,520 --> 01:32:01,160 Speaker 2: to that. It's never as bad as it seems, never 2074 01:32:01,160 --> 01:32:02,320 Speaker 2: as good as it seems. Nice. 2075 01:32:02,400 --> 01:32:05,479 Speaker 1: I love that second question, what is the worst advice 2076 01:32:05,520 --> 01:32:08,800 Speaker 1: you've ever heard or received? It's not that simple. I 2077 01:32:08,800 --> 01:32:09,280 Speaker 1: don't like. 2078 01:32:09,840 --> 01:32:12,840 Speaker 2: I think about when I've had my success. You know, 2079 01:32:12,880 --> 01:32:16,679 Speaker 2: I've eaten healthy, I've been active, and I've just worked hard. 2080 01:32:16,840 --> 01:32:19,320 Speaker 1: Those it's it really is simple for everyone. 2081 01:32:19,360 --> 01:32:20,880 Speaker 2: I think if you just break it down into nice, 2082 01:32:20,880 --> 01:32:23,640 Speaker 2: simple categories, you're going to get the best out of 2083 01:32:23,640 --> 01:32:26,320 Speaker 2: yourself and you're going to have success whatever whatever that is. 2084 01:32:26,360 --> 01:32:29,439 Speaker 2: Success is different for everyone. But it's not that simple. 2085 01:32:29,600 --> 01:32:32,320 Speaker 2: The amount of times I heard that in school, from 2086 01:32:32,400 --> 01:32:35,400 Speaker 2: tennis coaches, from everything, it really if they told me 2087 01:32:35,439 --> 01:32:37,800 Speaker 2: it's simple, like do these things and you'll probably get 2088 01:32:37,800 --> 01:32:40,479 Speaker 2: the best out yourself. So yeah, it's not that simple. 2089 01:32:40,640 --> 01:32:43,479 Speaker 2: I hated hearing it because it really was to get 2090 01:32:43,680 --> 01:32:47,120 Speaker 2: in my position, it is quite simple. Yeah, it's it's hard, 2091 01:32:47,600 --> 01:32:50,559 Speaker 2: but the steps to getting it it's it's actually very simple. 2092 01:32:50,600 --> 01:32:53,840 Speaker 1: Yeah, it's not easy, but it's simple. Yeah, yeah, I agree, 2093 01:32:53,920 --> 01:32:57,639 Speaker 1: I would agree. Question number three, what's something that you've 2094 01:32:57,640 --> 01:32:58,759 Speaker 1: been trying to unlearn. 2095 01:32:59,800 --> 01:33:02,880 Speaker 2: That's that's a hard one because I've had to unlearn 2096 01:33:02,920 --> 01:33:06,080 Speaker 2: nearly everything that I thought like, because you know, I 2097 01:33:06,120 --> 01:33:08,360 Speaker 2: meet so many people, I'm not really following your rules 2098 01:33:08,360 --> 01:33:09,360 Speaker 2: of keeping it short. 2099 01:33:09,520 --> 01:33:10,400 Speaker 1: That's cool, man, it's good. 2100 01:33:10,400 --> 01:33:13,639 Speaker 2: They're good answers, but a lot, you know, I've met 2101 01:33:13,680 --> 01:33:16,880 Speaker 2: so many people, and I thought that i'd meet a 2102 01:33:16,880 --> 01:33:18,479 Speaker 2: lot of I thought i'd meet a lot of cool 2103 01:33:18,479 --> 01:33:20,800 Speaker 2: people and good, genuine people on the way. But I've 2104 01:33:20,840 --> 01:33:23,920 Speaker 2: been really disappointed. I feel like I feel being in 2105 01:33:23,960 --> 01:33:25,840 Speaker 2: our position. It's hard every time you meet someone, you 2106 01:33:25,840 --> 01:33:28,439 Speaker 2: don't know if anyone genuinely wants to be your friend 2107 01:33:28,479 --> 01:33:30,680 Speaker 2: or hang out with you or you know, go to 2108 01:33:30,720 --> 01:33:33,120 Speaker 2: dinner with you because we're good people, or is just 2109 01:33:33,160 --> 01:33:34,720 Speaker 2: do you want to just be around us because of it? 2110 01:33:34,720 --> 01:33:36,680 Speaker 2: And that's just a common struggle I think that I 2111 01:33:36,760 --> 01:33:38,559 Speaker 2: deal with every day. I really do struggle with that 2112 01:33:38,760 --> 01:33:40,680 Speaker 2: because I'm a genuine person. I only want to hang 2113 01:33:40,720 --> 01:33:42,880 Speaker 2: out with you if I think you're cool and you're. 2114 01:33:43,160 --> 01:33:43,960 Speaker 1: You've got a good heart. 2115 01:33:44,080 --> 01:33:48,200 Speaker 2: So I think I I thought that a lot of people. 2116 01:33:48,479 --> 01:33:51,000 Speaker 2: I'm trying to unlearn that everyone has good intentions. I 2117 01:33:51,000 --> 01:33:55,080 Speaker 2: felt like everyone should have that and everyone doesn't. 2118 01:33:56,200 --> 01:33:58,559 Speaker 1: That's yeah, and that's a hard one. That's a really 2119 01:33:58,600 --> 01:34:00,479 Speaker 1: hard one. And I can resonate with that too. I 2120 01:34:00,479 --> 01:34:05,800 Speaker 1: think sometimes it's really interesting, right, like when you're I 2121 01:34:05,800 --> 01:34:08,240 Speaker 1: feel like sometimes if I get along with someone or 2122 01:34:08,280 --> 01:34:10,759 Speaker 1: I feel like a natural sense of chemistry with someone, 2123 01:34:11,479 --> 01:34:13,559 Speaker 1: I can come on quite strong. But I'm just being 2124 01:34:13,720 --> 01:34:15,760 Speaker 1: who I am and I'm okay with that. Like I'll 2125 01:34:15,800 --> 01:34:18,040 Speaker 1: be like someone, Hey, we should hang out or whatever, exactly. 2126 01:34:18,320 --> 01:34:21,120 Speaker 1: And I like living that way because to me, that's 2127 01:34:21,160 --> 01:34:22,960 Speaker 1: how I've made some of my best friends. If I 2128 01:34:23,080 --> 01:34:23,960 Speaker 1: wasn't like that. 2129 01:34:24,120 --> 01:34:26,640 Speaker 2: You try to sheltered, how you're going to experience like 2130 01:34:26,960 --> 01:34:27,920 Speaker 2: the good times. 2131 01:34:27,680 --> 01:34:30,200 Speaker 1: Totally, and I've opened myself up to then. Sometimes people 2132 01:34:30,200 --> 01:34:32,559 Speaker 1: are like, oh, well, maybe he has something that he wants. 2133 01:34:33,080 --> 01:34:36,000 Speaker 1: I'm like, no, not really, just that's just who I am. 2134 01:34:35,840 --> 01:34:39,000 Speaker 1: I just feel good, yeah, exactly, And so I can 2135 01:34:39,040 --> 01:34:42,280 Speaker 1: relate to that, all right. Question number four. A rule 2136 01:34:42,360 --> 01:34:44,960 Speaker 1: everyone should break and a rule everyone should follow. 2137 01:34:45,720 --> 01:34:51,720 Speaker 2: M I prefer the follow one. I think, God, I 2138 01:34:51,720 --> 01:34:53,080 Speaker 2: don't know, I'm going to give that to you. I'm 2139 01:34:53,120 --> 01:34:54,360 Speaker 2: going to give that to you. I can't answer rule 2140 01:34:54,400 --> 01:34:57,800 Speaker 2: everyone should break. Yeah. I actually I can't answer it. 2141 01:35:00,160 --> 01:35:01,920 Speaker 1: Asked it before. I just got inspired to ask it 2142 01:35:01,960 --> 01:35:04,519 Speaker 1: to your everyone should break. I'm just trying to think 2143 01:35:04,560 --> 01:35:07,160 Speaker 1: of rules that the world sets that we think everyone 2144 01:35:07,200 --> 01:35:09,719 Speaker 1: should break. And so let me think of a rule. 2145 01:35:09,800 --> 01:35:11,439 Speaker 1: The way I would think about it is, what are 2146 01:35:11,560 --> 01:35:14,679 Speaker 1: rules that we were all told, like even unwritten rules 2147 01:35:15,360 --> 01:35:18,719 Speaker 1: that we all heard since we were young that now 2148 01:35:18,760 --> 01:35:20,960 Speaker 1: I look at it and I go, yeah, we should. 2149 01:35:20,720 --> 01:35:26,320 Speaker 2: Break that rule, and you expected me to that's the question, and. 2150 01:35:26,240 --> 01:35:29,320 Speaker 1: You no, no, No, I want to give a genuine 2151 01:35:29,320 --> 01:35:35,160 Speaker 1: answer because the way you have answers to pretty much everything. Well, 2152 01:35:35,240 --> 01:35:37,320 Speaker 1: I like, I like to be thoughtful because it literally 2153 01:35:37,320 --> 01:35:39,280 Speaker 1: I came up with that question right now, just for you, 2154 01:35:39,320 --> 01:35:42,040 Speaker 1: Like it was a moment thing. It wasn't a the 2155 01:35:42,240 --> 01:35:45,000 Speaker 1: I would say that like an unwritten rule or like 2156 01:35:45,040 --> 01:35:47,120 Speaker 1: a rule that I think everyone was told to follow. 2157 01:35:47,280 --> 01:35:49,640 Speaker 1: Was like I feel like when you were growing up, 2158 01:35:50,280 --> 01:35:52,720 Speaker 1: you were told to fit in, yes, and then when 2159 01:35:52,720 --> 01:35:54,439 Speaker 1: you get older you're told to stand out. 2160 01:35:54,960 --> 01:35:55,160 Speaker 2: Yeah. 2161 01:35:55,400 --> 01:35:57,040 Speaker 1: Right. It's like if you want to be successful when 2162 01:35:57,080 --> 01:36:00,519 Speaker 1: you're a kid, fit in where the uniform, standing in line, 2163 01:36:01,000 --> 01:36:02,800 Speaker 1: do well in school. It's like everyone's told to fit 2164 01:36:02,880 --> 01:36:05,160 Speaker 1: in and then as you get older, if you want 2165 01:36:05,160 --> 01:36:08,120 Speaker 1: to win at whatever career part, you gotta be different. 2166 01:36:08,120 --> 01:36:10,519 Speaker 1: You gotta be authentic. It's like wait a minute. And 2167 01:36:10,560 --> 01:36:13,880 Speaker 1: so instead of fitting in or trying to stand out, 2168 01:36:15,040 --> 01:36:17,160 Speaker 1: the rule to break is to say, well, I'm not 2169 01:36:17,160 --> 01:36:18,880 Speaker 1: going to fit in or I'm not going to stand out. 2170 01:36:18,960 --> 01:36:21,559 Speaker 1: I Am just going to learn to discover myself. And 2171 01:36:21,600 --> 01:36:23,559 Speaker 1: I think it's not even about being you. I think 2172 01:36:23,560 --> 01:36:26,640 Speaker 1: that's the cheesy answer of like, just be yourself. I 2173 01:36:26,640 --> 01:36:28,479 Speaker 1: don't think it's about being yourself. I think it's about 2174 01:36:28,479 --> 01:36:31,519 Speaker 1: discovering yourself and getting to know yourself. And so the 2175 01:36:31,600 --> 01:36:34,160 Speaker 1: rule we need to break is stop trying to fit 2176 01:36:34,200 --> 01:36:38,160 Speaker 1: in or stand out. Just get to know yourself. I think, yeah, 2177 01:36:38,240 --> 01:36:40,719 Speaker 1: just figure it out is what comes to mind anyway. 2178 01:36:41,160 --> 01:36:42,040 Speaker 2: So I like it. 2179 01:36:42,160 --> 01:36:44,519 Speaker 1: Yeah, we'll go with that. You just keep flipping them 2180 01:36:44,520 --> 01:36:47,479 Speaker 1: back on. I like it. It's smart, it's good, it's 2181 01:36:47,520 --> 01:36:51,360 Speaker 1: good PR tradings. This is a masterclass in PR training. 2182 01:36:51,800 --> 01:36:54,759 Speaker 1: From the fifth and final question, if you could create 2183 01:36:54,800 --> 01:36:56,960 Speaker 1: one law. We asked this to every guest of all time. 2184 01:36:57,600 --> 01:37:00,080 Speaker 1: If you could create one law that everyone in the 2185 01:37:00,120 --> 01:37:02,840 Speaker 1: world had to follow, what would it be? 2186 01:37:02,840 --> 01:37:06,280 Speaker 2: Before you criticize someone, you have to do what they 2187 01:37:06,360 --> 01:37:09,439 Speaker 2: do for one day. So like if someone criticizes my 2188 01:37:09,520 --> 01:37:12,040 Speaker 2: tennis game, they need to get on the court and 2189 01:37:12,080 --> 01:37:14,760 Speaker 2: try and play. Or like if I was criticized someone 2190 01:37:14,760 --> 01:37:15,840 Speaker 2: that I had to go, I think that should be 2191 01:37:15,840 --> 01:37:18,320 Speaker 2: a law before you. If you're willing to criticize, then 2192 01:37:18,360 --> 01:37:19,920 Speaker 2: you're going to be that person for one day and 2193 01:37:20,000 --> 01:37:22,840 Speaker 2: deal with everything that that that person deals with. 2194 01:37:23,520 --> 01:37:26,120 Speaker 1: That is a brilliant answer. I love that we never 2195 01:37:26,160 --> 01:37:28,040 Speaker 1: had that on the show, and I love that that 2196 01:37:28,080 --> 01:37:31,640 Speaker 1: would be amazing if you actually became that person for 2197 01:37:31,680 --> 01:37:34,439 Speaker 1: a day, you had to swap lives. Anyone you judge 2198 01:37:34,479 --> 01:37:37,200 Speaker 1: do or criticized, you had to swap lives with them 2199 01:37:37,240 --> 01:37:40,360 Speaker 1: for one day. That would be phenomenal. And it's not 2200 01:37:40,400 --> 01:37:41,960 Speaker 1: like it's not like a holiday. 2201 01:37:42,080 --> 01:37:43,599 Speaker 2: It's like a business day. 2202 01:37:44,439 --> 01:37:46,400 Speaker 1: It's not like a party, like a Saturday night going 2203 01:37:46,479 --> 01:37:47,599 Speaker 1: and I know it's like. 2204 01:37:48,320 --> 01:37:51,600 Speaker 2: The working day. Yeah, Because then I would think I 2205 01:37:51,600 --> 01:37:55,679 Speaker 2: would think twice, Like I've criticized basketball players anyone, I'd 2206 01:37:55,680 --> 01:37:57,600 Speaker 2: be like, oh you are, and then it's like, all right, 2207 01:37:57,640 --> 01:38:00,240 Speaker 2: you don't do the day thing. I actually no, because 2208 01:38:00,240 --> 01:38:03,880 Speaker 2: I think a lot of people in my position would. 2209 01:38:03,960 --> 01:38:05,040 Speaker 1: Like they would freak out. 2210 01:38:05,240 --> 01:38:06,800 Speaker 2: I think if I had to go out and play 2211 01:38:06,840 --> 01:38:09,240 Speaker 2: a match in front of the stadiums, then do the 2212 01:38:09,280 --> 01:38:12,720 Speaker 2: press conference and then deal with the criticism and I 2213 01:38:12,800 --> 01:38:15,120 Speaker 2: had to real like feel the realness. 2214 01:38:14,760 --> 01:38:17,040 Speaker 1: Of it all, they wouldn't want to criticize again. 2215 01:38:17,439 --> 01:38:19,960 Speaker 2: Yeah, I like that, low man. Yeah, that's a good law. 2216 01:38:20,160 --> 01:38:22,880 Speaker 1: Here's a good law. It's a good low. Nick, curious, Nick, 2217 01:38:22,960 --> 01:38:25,280 Speaker 1: this has been such a joy and pleasure, man, appreciate it. 2218 01:38:25,360 --> 01:38:29,400 Speaker 1: You totally over delivered and for what it's worth, from 2219 01:38:29,439 --> 01:38:32,640 Speaker 1: the moment we started messaging to meeting you today to 2220 01:38:32,680 --> 01:38:35,639 Speaker 1: having this conversation, you're a genuinely nice guy. Man. 2221 01:38:35,680 --> 01:38:36,360 Speaker 2: I appreciate that. 2222 01:38:36,400 --> 01:38:39,240 Speaker 1: Thank you, and I've enjoyed every minute we've spent together 2223 01:38:39,320 --> 01:38:42,599 Speaker 1: and I look forward to many more. Thank you, genuinely. Yeah, 2224 01:38:42,600 --> 01:38:44,759 Speaker 1: it's been fun. Thank you, Thank you man. Of course, 2225 01:38:44,880 --> 01:38:48,320 Speaker 1: if you love this episode, you'll love my interview with 2226 01:38:48,439 --> 01:38:52,400 Speaker 1: Kobe Bryant on how to be strategic and obsessive to 2227 01:38:52,520 --> 01:38:56,719 Speaker 1: find your purpose. Our children have become less imaginative about 2228 01:38:56,720 --> 01:38:59,639 Speaker 1: how to problem solve imparents and coaches have become more 2229 01:38:59,720 --> 01:39:02,519 Speaker 1: direct and trying to tell them how the behaviorsus teaching 2230 01:39:02,520 --> 01:39:05,920 Speaker 1: them how to behavio. 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