1 00:00:02,600 --> 00:00:06,200 Speaker 1: Hey, everybody, it's Bill Courtney with an army of normal folks. 2 00:00:06,320 --> 00:00:09,560 Speaker 1: And we continue now with part two of our conversation 3 00:00:10,160 --> 00:00:14,040 Speaker 1: with Pastor Lee Robbins. Right after these brief messages from 4 00:00:14,160 --> 00:00:27,760 Speaker 1: ours and her sponsors, we now return to our conversation 5 00:00:27,880 --> 00:00:35,560 Speaker 1: about Pastor ly serving his fellow prisoners. So that's phenomenal, 6 00:00:36,440 --> 00:00:39,680 Speaker 1: but that ends when your time ends. 7 00:00:39,680 --> 00:00:43,920 Speaker 2: Right, and so my time now it's time for me 8 00:00:43,960 --> 00:00:47,040 Speaker 2: to go. So I have to build up some people. 9 00:00:47,120 --> 00:00:48,960 Speaker 2: Three and a half years, three and a half years? 10 00:00:49,000 --> 00:00:50,280 Speaker 1: Did you do all three and a half? No? 11 00:00:50,400 --> 00:00:53,080 Speaker 2: I actually got the benefit of the Second Chance Act. 12 00:00:53,280 --> 00:00:53,600 Speaker 1: Good. 13 00:00:54,040 --> 00:00:56,560 Speaker 2: That was two of thousands of us that got the 14 00:00:56,560 --> 00:00:59,320 Speaker 2: benefit of getting going home six months early in case. 15 00:00:59,360 --> 00:00:59,960 Speaker 1: You did three. 16 00:01:00,080 --> 00:01:01,760 Speaker 2: So I did three and then six and a half 17 00:01:01,800 --> 00:01:02,160 Speaker 2: way house. 18 00:01:02,200 --> 00:01:04,800 Speaker 1: I got to ask you something, Yeah, how long does 19 00:01:04,840 --> 00:01:07,319 Speaker 1: three years feel like when you've found a wife and 20 00:01:07,400 --> 00:01:11,160 Speaker 1: children outside waiting on you? How long does that feel like? 21 00:01:11,240 --> 00:01:13,440 Speaker 1: My life? What does a day feel like? 22 00:01:14,400 --> 00:01:17,520 Speaker 2: A day? It's first of all, you are active, and 23 00:01:17,520 --> 00:01:19,839 Speaker 2: you're working in there, and you're just like anybody else. 24 00:01:19,880 --> 00:01:24,119 Speaker 2: You're working. But I can remember coming home and I'm 25 00:01:24,120 --> 00:01:27,280 Speaker 2: making twenty five dollars a month, twelve cents an hour 26 00:01:28,120 --> 00:01:33,360 Speaker 2: working full time and inside the prison, and I would 27 00:01:33,480 --> 00:01:38,840 Speaker 2: use fifteen of those dollars to call home to talk 28 00:01:38,880 --> 00:01:42,200 Speaker 2: to my wife, to talk to my children. She would 29 00:01:42,240 --> 00:01:44,840 Speaker 2: bring up some disciplinary issues to the children, and I 30 00:01:45,560 --> 00:01:50,640 Speaker 2: couldn't find it in my heart to really get on them. 31 00:01:51,200 --> 00:01:53,240 Speaker 1: Yeah, how do you get on your children? 32 00:01:53,320 --> 00:01:56,200 Speaker 2: Yeah, you ain't got number two minutes and you're getting 33 00:01:56,200 --> 00:01:58,040 Speaker 2: on them, and you don't want that to be. And 34 00:01:58,120 --> 00:02:01,400 Speaker 2: so I was easy going there, you know, and just 35 00:02:01,680 --> 00:02:04,280 Speaker 2: you know, just speaking love to them, you know, speaking 36 00:02:04,320 --> 00:02:06,840 Speaker 2: life to them, and and then you get a few minutes. 37 00:02:06,880 --> 00:02:09,399 Speaker 2: Mom was so unselfish, so she like spend the time 38 00:02:09,400 --> 00:02:11,520 Speaker 2: with the kids, you know. So I would do that, 39 00:02:11,960 --> 00:02:14,760 Speaker 2: and uh, you know, in times of visitations were like 40 00:02:15,440 --> 00:02:18,920 Speaker 2: crazy week she would bring them up every week, and uh, 41 00:02:19,000 --> 00:02:21,200 Speaker 2: they love that because they get a chance to get 42 00:02:21,200 --> 00:02:23,680 Speaker 2: to the vending machines and act crazy and. 43 00:02:24,120 --> 00:02:27,280 Speaker 1: Type of stuff. Ocean and the wife spark. She stuck 44 00:02:27,320 --> 00:02:28,920 Speaker 1: by you. 45 00:02:29,360 --> 00:02:34,720 Speaker 2: Absolutely absolutely every single week. Every single week she bought. 46 00:02:35,000 --> 00:02:38,400 Speaker 2: There was one week that she didn't. And it really, 47 00:02:38,520 --> 00:02:42,240 Speaker 2: Uh that bothered me because that because you can't call out, 48 00:02:42,639 --> 00:02:44,920 Speaker 2: so you don't know why, I don't know why. You know, 49 00:02:45,200 --> 00:02:47,520 Speaker 2: things maybe they got into an accident on their way over. 50 00:02:49,240 --> 00:02:51,480 Speaker 2: And you know, you know, in prison they got phones 51 00:02:51,520 --> 00:02:53,680 Speaker 2: and stuff like that, and I never used the phone. 52 00:02:53,880 --> 00:02:56,520 Speaker 2: I'm the pastor in the compound. You know, I'm trying 53 00:02:56,520 --> 00:02:59,560 Speaker 2: to set an example. Man, I'm gonna tell you I 54 00:02:59,560 --> 00:03:02,880 Speaker 2: got ten to use that phone this time. Like give me, hey, man, 55 00:03:02,960 --> 00:03:03,760 Speaker 2: y'all give me a phone. 56 00:03:03,800 --> 00:03:07,680 Speaker 1: And somebody's got a contraband phone. They got a contraband phone, 57 00:03:07,760 --> 00:03:09,919 Speaker 1: and you won't use it because I'm trying to do right. 58 00:03:09,960 --> 00:03:11,960 Speaker 2: I'm trying to do right and trying to show them 59 00:03:12,000 --> 00:03:15,359 Speaker 2: how to do right, and they will offer it to me. Man, 60 00:03:15,400 --> 00:03:17,320 Speaker 2: you know you need to check on your wife. Man, 61 00:03:17,400 --> 00:03:20,400 Speaker 2: here's the phone. Man go in like, I can't do it. 62 00:03:20,480 --> 00:03:25,320 Speaker 2: I can't do it, and you know, and I did. 63 00:03:25,440 --> 00:03:28,720 Speaker 2: It was hard. It was hard. Then. I had a 64 00:03:28,720 --> 00:03:32,160 Speaker 2: lot of favorite in prison too, and so the officers 65 00:03:32,200 --> 00:03:35,280 Speaker 2: favored me. I worked in r D. That's receiving I 66 00:03:35,320 --> 00:03:38,040 Speaker 2: call it. It's called receiving discharge. So when the people 67 00:03:38,080 --> 00:03:40,280 Speaker 2: first come into prison, I thought it was research and development. 68 00:03:42,280 --> 00:03:44,400 Speaker 2: I changed it to redeem and delivered. 69 00:03:45,480 --> 00:03:46,680 Speaker 1: Means a lot of things. 70 00:03:46,840 --> 00:03:50,200 Speaker 2: Yeah, I changed it into that, and so so I 71 00:03:50,240 --> 00:03:51,920 Speaker 2: would see them come in and going out. And so 72 00:03:52,000 --> 00:03:54,960 Speaker 2: the officers there favorite me. And even though they say 73 00:03:54,960 --> 00:03:57,560 Speaker 2: you weren' gonna get any favor, they heard my story 74 00:03:57,560 --> 00:03:59,760 Speaker 2: and they kind of favored me in that sense. And 75 00:03:59,800 --> 00:04:04,360 Speaker 2: so the officer called for me, school, call home for 76 00:04:04,520 --> 00:04:07,200 Speaker 2: me and found out that you know, she just didn't 77 00:04:07,200 --> 00:04:11,520 Speaker 2: have no gas money to get there, she just she just. 78 00:04:11,560 --> 00:04:13,880 Speaker 1: Which which brings on a whole another set of emotions. 79 00:04:13,880 --> 00:04:16,760 Speaker 1: Because there's a husband, you haven't been able to provide 80 00:04:17,360 --> 00:04:18,440 Speaker 1: gas money, just. 81 00:04:18,640 --> 00:04:22,520 Speaker 2: Money, gas money when I was the sole provider for 82 00:04:22,600 --> 00:04:23,680 Speaker 2: the family for years. 83 00:04:24,000 --> 00:04:25,159 Speaker 1: That makes you feel like a loser. 84 00:04:25,240 --> 00:04:28,640 Speaker 2: Oh yeah, for real, I mean with a capital hell. 85 00:04:28,760 --> 00:04:31,080 Speaker 2: I mean it's just you go in and you're like, 86 00:04:31,279 --> 00:04:33,320 Speaker 2: don't ever worry about coming, you know, if you don't 87 00:04:33,320 --> 00:04:37,119 Speaker 2: have any gas money, don't let the option be gas money, 88 00:04:37,120 --> 00:04:40,240 Speaker 2: food come to see me. No, you take that money 89 00:04:40,880 --> 00:04:43,880 Speaker 2: and help your help the kids out and bless And 90 00:04:43,960 --> 00:04:45,920 Speaker 2: she never worked those three and a half years, never 91 00:04:45,960 --> 00:04:48,400 Speaker 2: had to work outside the home. You know what happened. 92 00:04:48,440 --> 00:04:50,480 Speaker 2: Our mailbox became a money box. 93 00:04:50,760 --> 00:04:51,000 Speaker 1: Wow. 94 00:04:51,520 --> 00:04:56,599 Speaker 2: People started donating to her to pay our bills, you know, 95 00:04:56,760 --> 00:04:59,120 Speaker 2: for three and a half years. With three years and 96 00:04:59,120 --> 00:05:01,240 Speaker 2: then the six months. I was in the halfway house. 97 00:05:01,320 --> 00:05:01,840 Speaker 2: I was able to. 98 00:05:02,440 --> 00:05:08,799 Speaker 1: Right, So you're now you're out. Business is gone. Church 99 00:05:08,960 --> 00:05:11,760 Speaker 1: that you started may not be gone, but you're not 100 00:05:12,120 --> 00:05:13,160 Speaker 1: pastoring it anymore. 101 00:05:13,360 --> 00:05:13,480 Speaker 2: Right. 102 00:05:13,560 --> 00:05:15,359 Speaker 1: I mean they had to move on, not that it 103 00:05:15,440 --> 00:05:19,080 Speaker 1: aided you, but it hadn't move on. And you've had 104 00:05:19,120 --> 00:05:24,800 Speaker 1: this experience about mentoring folks in prison and seeing them 105 00:05:24,839 --> 00:05:31,200 Speaker 1: getting redemption from it. So yeah, what happens. Yeah, I'm 106 00:05:31,240 --> 00:05:35,640 Speaker 1: out at this point. So I'm having this passion that 107 00:05:35,760 --> 00:05:40,920 Speaker 1: was ignited in prison. Never thought. I can remember driving around. 108 00:05:40,680 --> 00:05:42,960 Speaker 2: A prison in my neighborhood and I thought, one day 109 00:05:42,960 --> 00:05:44,560 Speaker 2: I'm gonna go in there and I'm going to minister. 110 00:05:45,200 --> 00:05:47,640 Speaker 2: But you know, I was planning on coming home, you know, 111 00:05:48,080 --> 00:05:51,560 Speaker 2: I didn't want to spend a night. So that happened, actually, 112 00:05:51,600 --> 00:05:56,360 Speaker 2: and I thought, so my passion was ignited in prison, 113 00:05:56,880 --> 00:06:00,480 Speaker 2: my new call, my new purpose. Now, oh I got 114 00:06:00,480 --> 00:06:03,120 Speaker 2: to do this. This is a problem. And that's like 115 00:06:03,279 --> 00:06:05,440 Speaker 2: a lot of entrepreneurs think. They think, Okay, if I 116 00:06:05,440 --> 00:06:08,240 Speaker 2: can find a problem, I could be a solution and 117 00:06:08,279 --> 00:06:10,520 Speaker 2: then there can be a difference there. They think money 118 00:06:10,800 --> 00:06:14,680 Speaker 2: in that term. I'm thinking like relationship capital. Now I've 119 00:06:14,760 --> 00:06:18,680 Speaker 2: really got my heart changed, and if money comes, so 120 00:06:18,880 --> 00:06:21,279 Speaker 2: be it. Then I'm going to focus on helping people 121 00:06:21,360 --> 00:06:25,920 Speaker 2: right now. So I volunteer for this organization called GGR, 122 00:06:25,960 --> 00:06:29,440 Speaker 2: a Greater Grenet re Entry Alliance. Help to start that organization. 123 00:06:29,480 --> 00:06:33,200 Speaker 2: I'm sorry say it again, Greater Grenette re Entry Alliance. 124 00:06:32,760 --> 00:06:36,800 Speaker 1: Re Entry Alliance, which is again a huge problem in 125 00:06:36,839 --> 00:06:41,279 Speaker 1: our country about how do we get folks out of 126 00:06:41,360 --> 00:06:47,720 Speaker 1: prison to re enter society and acclimate and not go 127 00:06:47,880 --> 00:06:51,560 Speaker 1: right back into prison exactly the dreaded vision that we 128 00:06:52,000 --> 00:06:52,880 Speaker 1: all have heard about it. 129 00:06:52,960 --> 00:06:57,359 Speaker 2: Yeah, seventy people go right back after three years, you 130 00:06:57,440 --> 00:06:58,560 Speaker 2: got eight million. 131 00:06:58,279 --> 00:07:03,080 Speaker 1: Caught up in the system, which is five hundred percent 132 00:07:03,279 --> 00:07:06,080 Speaker 1: higher than the numbers that were in the system in 133 00:07:06,160 --> 00:07:10,800 Speaker 1: nineteen forty exactly five hundred percent, one hundred percent, which 134 00:07:10,840 --> 00:07:15,200 Speaker 1: is a whole another conversation. But the point is there's 135 00:07:15,240 --> 00:07:19,080 Speaker 1: a whole lot of folks coming in the prison system 136 00:07:19,440 --> 00:07:23,120 Speaker 1: leaving back in the prison system. And what's what I 137 00:07:23,160 --> 00:07:25,000 Speaker 1: call and I don't know what the word is, but 138 00:07:25,080 --> 00:07:28,840 Speaker 1: I call it being institutionalized. I call it where a 139 00:07:28,920 --> 00:07:34,800 Speaker 1: human being just becomes part of the institutions that house 140 00:07:34,880 --> 00:07:38,400 Speaker 1: him and they just rotate in and out. 141 00:07:38,680 --> 00:07:41,800 Speaker 2: Yeah, they do they do. And it's also a society 142 00:07:41,920 --> 00:07:47,680 Speaker 2: issue because I can remember, you know, I'll talk about 143 00:07:47,680 --> 00:07:51,280 Speaker 2: that story when I started working for Probation in Parole. 144 00:07:51,880 --> 00:07:54,480 Speaker 2: Now I'm trying to figure out, first of all, how 145 00:07:54,560 --> 00:07:58,680 Speaker 2: I get a job working for the state Probation in 146 00:07:58,720 --> 00:07:59,920 Speaker 2: Parole in anything? 147 00:08:00,120 --> 00:08:00,360 Speaker 1: I mean? 148 00:08:01,400 --> 00:08:03,800 Speaker 2: And uh? And so I told him, I said, with 149 00:08:04,120 --> 00:08:08,160 Speaker 2: no money, with no money much, you're desperate for a job. Yeah, well, 150 00:08:08,200 --> 00:08:10,960 Speaker 2: this just desperate for job. This is a this is 151 00:08:11,000 --> 00:08:15,200 Speaker 2: a good paying job with benefits. Right, I got a record. 152 00:08:15,880 --> 00:08:18,520 Speaker 2: How do you get a job like that? And so 153 00:08:18,920 --> 00:08:23,480 Speaker 2: that's part of the problem. Yeah, And so I'm there, 154 00:08:23,680 --> 00:08:28,720 Speaker 2: you know, and they actually hired me. And I'm like 155 00:08:28,840 --> 00:08:32,640 Speaker 2: why they being Probation in Parole, which is the state, 156 00:08:32,840 --> 00:08:35,240 Speaker 2: the state, so it's a state job, state job. 157 00:08:35,480 --> 00:08:37,400 Speaker 1: So they hire an expelling. 158 00:08:38,520 --> 00:08:40,920 Speaker 2: I'm trying to figure out, how did you hire expeller? 159 00:08:41,120 --> 00:08:41,400 Speaker 1: Right? 160 00:08:42,520 --> 00:08:45,480 Speaker 2: Well, they had a stack of applications like this for 161 00:08:45,520 --> 00:08:49,400 Speaker 2: a community coordinator for one of the second largest counties 162 00:08:49,559 --> 00:08:50,520 Speaker 2: in Georgia. 163 00:08:50,720 --> 00:08:50,920 Speaker 1: Right. 164 00:08:51,120 --> 00:08:56,120 Speaker 2: Governor Deal is known for re entry. He's a Republican governor, 165 00:08:56,200 --> 00:09:00,640 Speaker 2: and he's known for re entry. That's his that's his 166 00:09:00,720 --> 00:09:03,080 Speaker 2: brain child here in Georgia. And so he started this 167 00:09:03,240 --> 00:09:07,800 Speaker 2: position with a federal grant six million dollars of a 168 00:09:07,840 --> 00:09:10,720 Speaker 2: community coordinator. What is my job? My job is to 169 00:09:10,880 --> 00:09:15,120 Speaker 2: go out and build resource capacities for returning citizens. Those 170 00:09:15,720 --> 00:09:22,640 Speaker 2: returning citizens exofels, right. I got to build resources like jobs, housing, transportation, 171 00:09:22,720 --> 00:09:27,160 Speaker 2: things of that nature, and then connect the community, so relationships. 172 00:09:28,320 --> 00:09:31,080 Speaker 2: That was my job. That's what I love doing. Perfect, 173 00:09:31,200 --> 00:09:33,880 Speaker 2: perfect job. How did I get it? So I'm like, 174 00:09:34,679 --> 00:09:38,280 Speaker 2: so when they offered me the job, I'm thinking, do 175 00:09:38,360 --> 00:09:42,720 Speaker 2: they normally I have a record? Should I tell them? 176 00:09:44,240 --> 00:09:47,920 Speaker 2: Ain't gonna mess this all up? So the Lord tells me, 177 00:09:48,000 --> 00:09:49,800 Speaker 2: he said, you got to be honest with him. Tell them. 178 00:09:50,160 --> 00:09:52,760 Speaker 2: And so I tell the chief, the guy that said, hey, 179 00:09:52,760 --> 00:09:54,960 Speaker 2: we're going to give you this job. I said, you 180 00:09:55,000 --> 00:09:57,560 Speaker 2: know I got a background, right. They said, no, you 181 00:09:57,559 --> 00:10:00,640 Speaker 2: don't have a background. I said. I said, oh, you 182 00:10:00,800 --> 00:10:05,120 Speaker 2: to open your mouth up there, and he said, he said, no, 183 00:10:05,200 --> 00:10:07,920 Speaker 2: we got the best background checking system in the world. 184 00:10:08,080 --> 00:10:11,960 Speaker 2: This is probation in parole. I said, well, this is 185 00:10:12,000 --> 00:10:14,480 Speaker 2: not April Food's day. And I'm telling you I got 186 00:10:14,480 --> 00:10:17,880 Speaker 2: a record, man, and I and I'm going to tell 187 00:10:17,920 --> 00:10:21,679 Speaker 2: my testimony. I'm not going to be ashamed of my testimony. 188 00:10:21,760 --> 00:10:24,400 Speaker 2: He said, oh no, we checked that all the way 189 00:10:24,440 --> 00:10:26,880 Speaker 2: up to the governor's office. We know that you don't 190 00:10:26,920 --> 00:10:32,240 Speaker 2: have a record. And so I walk away from the Yeah. 191 00:10:31,920 --> 00:10:34,280 Speaker 1: He said, you don't have a record. 192 00:10:34,280 --> 00:10:36,480 Speaker 2: He said, I don't have a record because they checked 193 00:10:36,480 --> 00:10:37,120 Speaker 2: that stuff. 194 00:10:37,679 --> 00:10:39,800 Speaker 1: Yeah, and we checked you all the way up. How 195 00:10:39,840 --> 00:10:41,760 Speaker 1: do you not if this one have a record when 196 00:10:41,840 --> 00:10:44,679 Speaker 1: you know you have a record. Well, I had to. 197 00:10:44,640 --> 00:10:47,840 Speaker 2: Find out why they couldn't find anything for real, And 198 00:10:47,920 --> 00:10:51,040 Speaker 2: I'm like, so I want to check my records myself. 199 00:10:51,840 --> 00:10:54,000 Speaker 2: Go all the way to the court documents. You know 200 00:10:54,080 --> 00:10:58,720 Speaker 2: that judge sealed all my records. Federal judge sealed everything. 201 00:10:59,000 --> 00:11:02,400 Speaker 1: Why we talked to about it earlier, they did what 202 00:11:02,880 --> 00:11:06,640 Speaker 1: he wasn't doing something nice. No, it's because the thing 203 00:11:06,760 --> 00:11:09,200 Speaker 1: was so screwed up. He didn't want anybody getting into it. 204 00:11:09,200 --> 00:11:09,679 Speaker 2: He got it. 205 00:11:10,200 --> 00:11:15,480 Speaker 1: So it worked to just day that whole proceedings feels. 206 00:11:15,280 --> 00:11:17,240 Speaker 2: It's like it's done away with. If I never say 207 00:11:17,240 --> 00:11:18,920 Speaker 2: anything about it, nobody would never know. 208 00:11:19,240 --> 00:11:22,160 Speaker 1: You're kidding me. And so when you were telling this 209 00:11:22,280 --> 00:11:25,880 Speaker 1: dude you had a record, Yeah, I thought you were saying. 210 00:11:26,559 --> 00:11:28,720 Speaker 1: He was like, yeah, but we don't consider that a 211 00:11:28,760 --> 00:11:31,960 Speaker 1: record because we like you and everything else. Wasn't that. No, 212 00:11:32,320 --> 00:11:35,960 Speaker 1: it's because they couldn't find that you had a record. 213 00:11:35,960 --> 00:11:39,400 Speaker 2: They couldn't. They could, They couldn't find it unless I 214 00:11:39,400 --> 00:11:41,520 Speaker 2: said something. And I was going to say something because 215 00:11:41,920 --> 00:11:45,560 Speaker 2: I'm using my life as a testimony to the to 216 00:11:45,600 --> 00:11:47,800 Speaker 2: the guy that's been to prison, that you can do 217 00:11:47,880 --> 00:11:50,000 Speaker 2: something with your life, right, And I don't need to 218 00:11:50,080 --> 00:11:52,599 Speaker 2: hide that, right, And I have no reason to hide that, 219 00:11:52,640 --> 00:11:53,960 Speaker 2: And I'm not ashamed the credit. 220 00:11:54,120 --> 00:11:59,280 Speaker 1: It gives you some credibility with former listeners, right. 221 00:11:59,520 --> 00:12:01,560 Speaker 2: Exactly, when I go and talk to people and I 222 00:12:01,559 --> 00:12:04,640 Speaker 2: tell them I've been where they are, instant credibility. Sure, 223 00:12:04,920 --> 00:12:06,079 Speaker 2: listen to everything I'm saying. 224 00:12:11,559 --> 00:12:18,800 Speaker 1: We'll be right back. M hm h. 225 00:12:22,160 --> 00:12:22,560 Speaker 2: M hmm. 226 00:12:24,720 --> 00:12:27,440 Speaker 1: All right. So you get this job, yeah, And. 227 00:12:28,240 --> 00:12:30,480 Speaker 2: So I get this job. I'm working in probation parole. 228 00:12:30,559 --> 00:12:33,959 Speaker 2: These guys with guns, right, girls and guys with guns, 229 00:12:34,559 --> 00:12:36,200 Speaker 2: they all around me. I got an office in the 230 00:12:36,200 --> 00:12:38,960 Speaker 2: middle of them. Right. They have to do what I 231 00:12:38,960 --> 00:12:42,040 Speaker 2: tell them to do. As a community coordinator. I'm setting 232 00:12:42,120 --> 00:12:44,160 Speaker 2: up all these events in the city. They have to 233 00:12:44,200 --> 00:12:47,080 Speaker 2: show up, do the parking, they have to do the security. 234 00:12:47,559 --> 00:12:50,240 Speaker 2: This dude went to prison. They know I've been to prison, 235 00:12:51,000 --> 00:12:55,800 Speaker 2: and the boss, I'm their boss. I'm over the chief 236 00:12:56,800 --> 00:13:00,280 Speaker 2: in the in the in the county. And because the 237 00:13:00,320 --> 00:13:04,760 Speaker 2: governor set this position up so I have governor, I 238 00:13:04,800 --> 00:13:07,440 Speaker 2: can go anywhere in the state, get the keys to 239 00:13:07,480 --> 00:13:10,520 Speaker 2: the state and say I'm a community coordinator from the 240 00:13:10,520 --> 00:13:14,720 Speaker 2: governor's office, and they're set a meeting with anybody with me. 241 00:13:15,760 --> 00:13:22,199 Speaker 2: I had to open doors to Georgia. And so when 242 00:13:22,240 --> 00:13:24,560 Speaker 2: you say second chances, I tell people, I don't believe 243 00:13:24,600 --> 00:13:27,680 Speaker 2: in second chances. And I paused, you don't believe in 244 00:13:27,679 --> 00:13:29,599 Speaker 2: second chances. What you're in this position for it, you 245 00:13:29,640 --> 00:13:34,000 Speaker 2: don't believe in second chances. I come to understand that 246 00:13:34,040 --> 00:13:38,360 Speaker 2: they need better chances. You can give them a second, third, fourth, 247 00:13:38,559 --> 00:13:43,080 Speaker 2: ninety times and they'll keep going to prison. Why because 248 00:13:43,160 --> 00:13:45,640 Speaker 2: some of them never had a first chance. So it 249 00:13:45,720 --> 00:13:48,800 Speaker 2: starts where you build what you've done with young people, 250 00:13:49,360 --> 00:13:52,400 Speaker 2: preventing them to go from the first place right, giving 251 00:13:52,440 --> 00:13:55,720 Speaker 2: them a hope in the first place right, because once 252 00:13:55,760 --> 00:13:59,079 Speaker 2: they get in the system, it's not broken. It's fixed. 253 00:14:00,120 --> 00:14:02,400 Speaker 2: That means it's going to do everything is supposed to do. 254 00:14:02,480 --> 00:14:05,000 Speaker 2: And this is a business. We got to get our 255 00:14:05,000 --> 00:14:09,319 Speaker 2: clients coming back and if they don't have a better chance, 256 00:14:09,400 --> 00:14:13,120 Speaker 2: where society changes our mind about how we work with 257 00:14:13,240 --> 00:14:15,520 Speaker 2: people come out of prison. Oh, we're not going to 258 00:14:15,559 --> 00:14:17,680 Speaker 2: give them a job because they've been to prison. We're 259 00:14:17,679 --> 00:14:20,400 Speaker 2: not going to give mousing. If somebody don't give me 260 00:14:20,440 --> 00:14:25,800 Speaker 2: a give me an opportunity to get housing, transportation. 261 00:14:25,480 --> 00:14:28,120 Speaker 1: Well then you're probably going to do whatever you've got 262 00:14:28,120 --> 00:14:28,960 Speaker 1: to do to survive. 263 00:14:29,600 --> 00:14:34,520 Speaker 2: That's first, that is what it becomes. And so that's 264 00:14:34,560 --> 00:14:37,680 Speaker 2: where I made it in my commitment my ministry that 265 00:14:37,760 --> 00:14:40,040 Speaker 2: I was going to stand in the gap and be 266 00:14:40,120 --> 00:14:44,120 Speaker 2: a bridge to change. I'm not going to know that 267 00:14:44,160 --> 00:14:48,040 Speaker 2: these things are happening and not create a job for them, 268 00:14:48,680 --> 00:14:52,640 Speaker 2: not create housing, not create you know, transportation. This is 269 00:14:52,680 --> 00:14:55,400 Speaker 2: all the things that we do life coaching. I knew 270 00:14:55,400 --> 00:14:57,680 Speaker 2: that they need that life coach because that helped a 271 00:14:57,680 --> 00:15:01,040 Speaker 2: lot in prison. So I started creating all these things 272 00:15:01,080 --> 00:15:03,840 Speaker 2: when I got out, you know, to help a return 273 00:15:04,240 --> 00:15:07,280 Speaker 2: citizen succeed. The program is six months to a year. 274 00:15:07,920 --> 00:15:11,120 Speaker 2: Once they come in, they get jobs, they. 275 00:15:10,960 --> 00:15:13,560 Speaker 1: Start, they get jobs. Do y'all help them find jobs? 276 00:15:13,600 --> 00:15:16,760 Speaker 2: Yeah, we help them find jobs. We have an agency 277 00:15:16,960 --> 00:15:21,440 Speaker 2: that's committed to going to ex offend their employers, friendly 278 00:15:21,480 --> 00:15:25,760 Speaker 2: employers and building relationships with them. We go before them 279 00:15:25,840 --> 00:15:29,680 Speaker 2: and say, hey, listen, there's some people behind us that 280 00:15:30,080 --> 00:15:34,240 Speaker 2: you should hire. Why should I hire them? Well, they 281 00:15:34,480 --> 00:15:38,280 Speaker 2: have drive, they I mean, their employment may make the 282 00:15:38,280 --> 00:15:41,160 Speaker 2: difference between their freedom and not. So they're gonna You're 283 00:15:41,160 --> 00:15:45,520 Speaker 2: gonna have a committed employee. Number two. We're helping to 284 00:15:46,160 --> 00:15:52,560 Speaker 2: have that social support for them, transportation, coaching, mentoring. So 285 00:15:52,600 --> 00:15:53,479 Speaker 2: we got relationships. 286 00:15:53,480 --> 00:15:56,640 Speaker 1: That's part of the problem. I'll hire next fellows, yeah, 287 00:15:56,720 --> 00:15:59,320 Speaker 1: and I'll hire an next fellow tomorrow. In my business, 288 00:15:59,360 --> 00:16:03,520 Speaker 1: I have done it. Yeah, But when the next fella 289 00:16:03,720 --> 00:16:09,480 Speaker 1: has to go visitors pro officer, when the lights ain't on, 290 00:16:09,920 --> 00:16:12,600 Speaker 1: when they are living in a halfway house that they're 291 00:16:12,720 --> 00:16:15,760 Speaker 1: up till two, three, four o'clock at night, is hollering 292 00:16:15,800 --> 00:16:19,440 Speaker 1: and screaming down the hallway, I feel for them. Yeah, 293 00:16:19,880 --> 00:16:23,120 Speaker 1: But as an employer, I need folks to show up 294 00:16:23,160 --> 00:16:26,920 Speaker 1: every day with a good night's rest, with the ability 295 00:16:26,960 --> 00:16:30,560 Speaker 1: to feed themselves and a place to go at night. Transportation, 296 00:16:30,760 --> 00:16:32,640 Speaker 1: And I can't tell you how many times I end 297 00:16:32,760 --> 00:16:37,520 Speaker 1: up hiring a halfway homeless dude who has no training 298 00:16:38,160 --> 00:16:40,960 Speaker 1: and is only able to show up to work sixty 299 00:16:41,000 --> 00:16:45,440 Speaker 1: percent of the time, and unfortunately, my heart feels but 300 00:16:45,720 --> 00:16:48,800 Speaker 1: I got a business to run, and I folks. 301 00:16:48,520 --> 00:16:51,320 Speaker 2: Like, that's unfair to you, as. 302 00:16:50,200 --> 00:16:53,200 Speaker 1: So, how do you keep that from happening? 303 00:16:53,400 --> 00:16:55,600 Speaker 2: Well, you we bring them because then I think. 304 00:16:55,440 --> 00:16:57,920 Speaker 1: That leads to recidivision, because eventually that guy can keep a 305 00:16:58,000 --> 00:17:01,440 Speaker 1: job exactly, goes and still something that ends up back 306 00:17:01,440 --> 00:17:01,800 Speaker 1: in jail. 307 00:17:01,880 --> 00:17:04,360 Speaker 2: That's unfair to the employer, right, So you don't think 308 00:17:04,400 --> 00:17:05,679 Speaker 2: about two sides. 309 00:17:05,760 --> 00:17:11,840 Speaker 1: And the employer gets all this, the evil big employer. Yeah, no, you. 310 00:17:11,920 --> 00:17:16,080 Speaker 1: Profits are a necessary measure of any business's success, and 311 00:17:16,119 --> 00:17:18,320 Speaker 1: you can do all kinds of wonderful society things. But 312 00:17:18,359 --> 00:17:20,080 Speaker 1: if you ain't making money, you ain't gonna do nothing 313 00:17:20,080 --> 00:17:23,320 Speaker 1: for nobody exactly. And you can't make money without hard working, 314 00:17:23,400 --> 00:17:25,960 Speaker 1: on time, good time employees. And even though you want 315 00:17:25,960 --> 00:17:28,920 Speaker 1: to help these folks when they don't have the tools, 316 00:17:29,480 --> 00:17:31,000 Speaker 1: you can't keep them in your business. 317 00:17:31,040 --> 00:17:32,119 Speaker 2: You can't. You can. 318 00:17:32,200 --> 00:17:34,560 Speaker 1: That's just the reality of it. That is, So, how 319 00:17:34,600 --> 00:17:36,879 Speaker 1: do I keep your people in my business? Exactly? 320 00:17:36,920 --> 00:17:39,439 Speaker 2: How do I keep your I understand you better. I 321 00:17:39,480 --> 00:17:43,119 Speaker 2: started understanding what the employer need and what they're looking 322 00:17:43,160 --> 00:17:46,560 Speaker 2: for employers are in business to make money. 323 00:17:46,800 --> 00:17:47,399 Speaker 1: They have to be. 324 00:17:47,520 --> 00:17:49,360 Speaker 2: They have to be, they want to be in business. 325 00:17:49,440 --> 00:17:53,080 Speaker 1: People hearing us need to understand it's not greed. It's 326 00:17:53,160 --> 00:17:55,399 Speaker 1: we answer to the bank where we get our loans. 327 00:17:55,480 --> 00:17:57,479 Speaker 1: We answer to the board that's going to sit us 328 00:17:57,520 --> 00:18:00,080 Speaker 1: down and grill us about why we have or have 329 00:18:00,119 --> 00:18:01,080 Speaker 1: not made any money. 330 00:18:01,200 --> 00:18:01,520 Speaker 2: That's right. 331 00:18:01,600 --> 00:18:04,879 Speaker 1: We answer to the investors who expect to return on 332 00:18:04,920 --> 00:18:08,320 Speaker 1: their investments. We are not being evil, greedy people by 333 00:18:08,359 --> 00:18:11,280 Speaker 1: making money or businesses. We're required to and we all 334 00:18:11,320 --> 00:18:15,280 Speaker 1: answer to somebody absolutely, And that's and that's this dude 335 00:18:15,280 --> 00:18:17,320 Speaker 1: ain't gonna show up to work. They're gonna make that 336 00:18:17,359 --> 00:18:21,200 Speaker 1: impossible for me to do. Gone. Yeah, now that sounds cold, 337 00:18:21,200 --> 00:18:22,040 Speaker 1: but that's just real. 338 00:18:22,320 --> 00:18:24,720 Speaker 2: Well, the people that that we work with, the reason 339 00:18:24,720 --> 00:18:26,919 Speaker 2: why they're working with us is because we try to 340 00:18:26,920 --> 00:18:32,160 Speaker 2: eliminate those those obstacles right there. Right we first of all, okay, 341 00:18:32,160 --> 00:18:34,680 Speaker 2: I'm gonna bring you a dude. Let's say let's say 342 00:18:34,720 --> 00:18:38,800 Speaker 2: employee A and employee B. Potential employee A, potential employee B. 343 00:18:39,680 --> 00:18:42,359 Speaker 2: This potential employe A is one of our people. 344 00:18:42,720 --> 00:18:42,920 Speaker 1: Right. 345 00:18:43,400 --> 00:18:49,760 Speaker 2: They come with support system, a life coach, housing, transportation, guaranteed. 346 00:18:50,880 --> 00:18:54,399 Speaker 2: That's all big one. That's a big one. And and 347 00:18:54,560 --> 00:18:58,359 Speaker 2: support right with a drive to work. They I mean, 348 00:18:58,560 --> 00:19:02,040 Speaker 2: they have a passion and want to work. Plus they 349 00:19:02,040 --> 00:19:06,480 Speaker 2: have tax incentives. You know that. You if you hire them, 350 00:19:07,080 --> 00:19:12,200 Speaker 2: you get also liability insurance comes with them. Oh wow, right, 351 00:19:12,280 --> 00:19:16,760 Speaker 2: the federal government will pay them, pay the employer liability, 352 00:19:17,240 --> 00:19:21,040 Speaker 2: take care of their liability insurance and tax incentives, write offs. 353 00:19:21,400 --> 00:19:23,840 Speaker 2: With this guy, this person on him, none of that, 354 00:19:24,080 --> 00:19:26,200 Speaker 2: I mean, other than some of the stuff they provide 355 00:19:26,240 --> 00:19:31,240 Speaker 2: for themselves. It's a no brainer for this employer. Let 356 00:19:31,240 --> 00:19:34,520 Speaker 2: me give them a second chance. Okay, all right, longest, 357 00:19:34,560 --> 00:19:37,399 Speaker 2: but in our staff and we have a staff in company. 358 00:19:38,000 --> 00:19:40,720 Speaker 2: You keep them for six months and they come on 359 00:19:40,800 --> 00:19:43,679 Speaker 2: my job and work and if they do well for 360 00:19:43,760 --> 00:19:50,280 Speaker 2: six months, I'll hire you. Try it before you buy. 361 00:19:50,960 --> 00:19:51,560 Speaker 1: That's easy. 362 00:19:52,320 --> 00:19:55,440 Speaker 2: You didn't see, you know. Retention is a problem with employees. 363 00:19:55,520 --> 00:19:58,479 Speaker 2: Haven't finding good employees and things of that nature. And 364 00:19:58,520 --> 00:20:01,800 Speaker 2: this turnover what they don't like. It cost them money. 365 00:20:01,880 --> 00:20:05,360 Speaker 2: It costs a lot of money to constantly be training, training, 366 00:20:05,440 --> 00:20:07,960 Speaker 2: and over and over again. So we try to eliminate 367 00:20:08,040 --> 00:20:10,159 Speaker 2: that problem and at the same time we help in 368 00:20:10,200 --> 00:20:11,640 Speaker 2: the returning citizen. 369 00:20:11,480 --> 00:20:13,399 Speaker 1: And they got a place to go home, got a 370 00:20:13,400 --> 00:20:16,520 Speaker 1: place to go home to. And so how long before 371 00:20:16,800 --> 00:20:21,959 Speaker 1: your your residents? I mean you can't. They can't. They 372 00:20:21,960 --> 00:20:25,000 Speaker 1: can't be residents in perpetuity. They got to move on 373 00:20:25,160 --> 00:20:28,160 Speaker 1: to their own life, right, So what's there? What's their 374 00:20:29,160 --> 00:20:31,880 Speaker 1: outside of our personal life plan? How do they get 375 00:20:31,920 --> 00:20:33,600 Speaker 1: put back into society for real? 376 00:20:33,920 --> 00:20:37,400 Speaker 2: Yeah? But we have a financial management plan with them. 377 00:20:37,720 --> 00:20:38,000 Speaker 1: Wow? 378 00:20:38,320 --> 00:20:40,360 Speaker 2: Right, So we control their finances. 379 00:20:40,440 --> 00:20:42,000 Speaker 1: You control them, control them. 380 00:20:42,080 --> 00:20:45,720 Speaker 2: They sign over for us to control their finances. They 381 00:20:45,760 --> 00:20:49,399 Speaker 2: budget the money is that they get. We give them 382 00:20:49,400 --> 00:20:52,840 Speaker 2: a like a fund's request for every week that they 383 00:20:53,000 --> 00:20:56,080 Speaker 2: spend on what they want to spend on. They budget, 384 00:20:56,160 --> 00:20:58,920 Speaker 2: they see a life coach every week. 385 00:20:59,040 --> 00:21:02,080 Speaker 1: So you're forcing them to learn how to actually budget 386 00:21:02,119 --> 00:21:04,280 Speaker 1: money and Zach at the liquor store. 387 00:21:04,400 --> 00:21:07,080 Speaker 2: At the liquor store, you follow the money, You control 388 00:21:07,119 --> 00:21:10,760 Speaker 2: the addiction issues. You follow the money. You can control 389 00:21:10,800 --> 00:21:12,120 Speaker 2: a lot of their bad habits. 390 00:21:12,119 --> 00:21:14,439 Speaker 1: So you mean, now they ain't getting a check and 391 00:21:14,560 --> 00:21:16,840 Speaker 1: getting full in the grip of a bag of weed 392 00:21:17,840 --> 00:21:21,440 Speaker 1: and other stuff. You're keeping that out of their reality. 393 00:21:21,480 --> 00:21:24,879 Speaker 2: Is while we're training them disciplines, while we're teaching them 394 00:21:25,080 --> 00:21:27,960 Speaker 2: budgeting because at the while, after they save a certain 395 00:21:28,000 --> 00:21:29,560 Speaker 2: amount of money, we give a little bit of money 396 00:21:29,560 --> 00:21:32,399 Speaker 2: more over to them, and then they then they have 397 00:21:32,440 --> 00:21:33,400 Speaker 2: to bring receipts back. 398 00:21:33,640 --> 00:21:38,360 Speaker 1: So but you're pyramidting their responsibility with money and freedom 399 00:21:38,640 --> 00:21:39,520 Speaker 1: right up. 400 00:21:39,840 --> 00:21:42,000 Speaker 2: Yeah, And they said that that creates a discimine. They 401 00:21:42,040 --> 00:21:44,160 Speaker 2: start liking it when they start seeing their account build 402 00:21:44,240 --> 00:21:47,520 Speaker 2: up thousands of dollars they never saved any kind of 403 00:21:47,520 --> 00:21:51,040 Speaker 2: money like that. I'm writing to check ten thousand, five 404 00:21:51,080 --> 00:21:54,080 Speaker 2: thousand when they leave our program. And then we've already 405 00:21:54,080 --> 00:21:57,719 Speaker 2: built a relationship with an employee complex, you know that 406 00:21:57,720 --> 00:22:01,680 Speaker 2: that will let them come in, they buy their own houses. 407 00:22:02,240 --> 00:22:06,879 Speaker 1: And you're telling me in a a in a community 408 00:22:06,920 --> 00:22:12,440 Speaker 1: of people who seventy percent end up in the national number, 409 00:22:12,560 --> 00:22:17,520 Speaker 1: seventy percent fellos return to present within two years, right. 410 00:22:17,400 --> 00:22:18,120 Speaker 2: Two to three years? 411 00:22:18,160 --> 00:22:21,560 Speaker 1: Yeah, it's three years, three years, right, So seventy percent 412 00:22:21,840 --> 00:22:26,480 Speaker 1: of felons return to prison within three years. You're telling 413 00:22:26,520 --> 00:22:29,320 Speaker 1: me that your data points are that ninety eight percent 414 00:22:29,320 --> 00:22:32,760 Speaker 1: of the people that come through your program don't return to. 415 00:22:32,720 --> 00:22:37,760 Speaker 2: Prison because it works. It works for them, it works 416 00:22:37,840 --> 00:22:41,840 Speaker 2: for us, it works for society. But most people are 417 00:22:41,840 --> 00:22:44,520 Speaker 2: not going to have all those wrap around services. Most 418 00:22:44,560 --> 00:22:45,520 Speaker 2: people are not where. 419 00:22:45,400 --> 00:22:48,199 Speaker 1: Do some money come from for these services? For the 420 00:22:48,720 --> 00:22:51,320 Speaker 1: for you to be able to house and do all this, 421 00:22:51,359 --> 00:22:52,920 Speaker 1: Where does the money come from? 422 00:22:53,280 --> 00:22:56,720 Speaker 2: They pay program fees. They pay program fees after whole 423 00:22:56,800 --> 00:23:00,159 Speaker 2: and like the first three months they don't have any money, right, 424 00:23:00,720 --> 00:23:02,720 Speaker 2: then they start building up their account. Then they have 425 00:23:02,720 --> 00:23:04,800 Speaker 2: to pay program fees and it goes back in. 426 00:23:04,920 --> 00:23:06,640 Speaker 1: So this thing is self sustaining. 427 00:23:06,880 --> 00:23:08,520 Speaker 2: Yes, I don't get grants. 428 00:23:09,640 --> 00:23:12,960 Speaker 1: Hold you're telling me this is I expected this to 429 00:23:13,000 --> 00:23:16,600 Speaker 1: be a windfall of money from the government or some 430 00:23:16,760 --> 00:23:18,520 Speaker 1: benefactor somewhere or something. 431 00:23:18,640 --> 00:23:19,600 Speaker 2: They don't receive it done. 432 00:23:19,760 --> 00:23:23,280 Speaker 1: Not only does this work, it's self sustaining. 433 00:23:22,920 --> 00:23:25,440 Speaker 2: Self sustaining, it pays for itself. 434 00:23:25,680 --> 00:23:29,840 Speaker 1: And how many residents do you have currently currently had? 435 00:23:30,320 --> 00:23:35,600 Speaker 2: I just lost the house because the owner repurposed a house, right, 436 00:23:35,680 --> 00:23:37,440 Speaker 2: And this is why we're in the process of getting 437 00:23:37,480 --> 00:23:41,280 Speaker 2: another one. We had ten in that house. We got 438 00:23:41,320 --> 00:23:43,600 Speaker 2: five in the house that we in now, right, and 439 00:23:43,640 --> 00:23:46,159 Speaker 2: we're going to get another house. It's going to be 440 00:23:46,359 --> 00:23:49,400 Speaker 2: we're looking at a duplex. We're praying that we can 441 00:23:49,440 --> 00:23:52,360 Speaker 2: get this duplex. It can be twenty people that can 442 00:23:52,400 --> 00:23:53,240 Speaker 2: go into that house. 443 00:23:53,359 --> 00:23:56,320 Speaker 1: So really the scale of it is just your ability 444 00:23:56,440 --> 00:23:58,760 Speaker 1: to house them because there's more that want to be 445 00:23:58,880 --> 00:24:00,720 Speaker 1: in this program than you have room. 446 00:24:01,240 --> 00:24:03,399 Speaker 2: If I can, yeah, if we can get a bigger 447 00:24:03,440 --> 00:24:07,520 Speaker 2: place that same success rate, we'll be there. Because the 448 00:24:07,560 --> 00:24:10,720 Speaker 2: program works, it's just got to get the housing. And 449 00:24:10,800 --> 00:24:13,840 Speaker 2: so that's it. I mean, we've had three houses in 450 00:24:13,880 --> 00:24:18,399 Speaker 2: the past where we've had twenty thirty people that we 451 00:24:18,760 --> 00:24:19,840 Speaker 2: were housed at a time. 452 00:24:19,960 --> 00:24:24,000 Speaker 1: So it's but it's definitely it's self sustaining and it 453 00:24:24,080 --> 00:24:27,600 Speaker 1: as in ninety eight percent. That's right. Yep, that is 454 00:24:27,640 --> 00:24:29,719 Speaker 1: an unbelievable story. 455 00:24:29,880 --> 00:24:31,919 Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, and it's working. 456 00:24:38,200 --> 00:24:57,840 Speaker 1: We'll be right back. So, Lee, how long have you 457 00:24:57,880 --> 00:24:59,480 Speaker 1: been doing this from the beginning to now? 458 00:24:59,480 --> 00:25:04,760 Speaker 2: How many years it's been since two thousand and six. 459 00:25:04,880 --> 00:25:07,960 Speaker 1: Two thousand and six, wow, sixteen years. So, I mean 460 00:25:08,000 --> 00:25:12,720 Speaker 1: it's a it's a thing. Now you've got have you 461 00:25:12,720 --> 00:25:15,159 Speaker 1: got a favorite success story? You have you got the 462 00:25:15,280 --> 00:25:18,720 Speaker 1: story of that person that came into the program that 463 00:25:18,800 --> 00:25:20,959 Speaker 1: you actually wondered if they'd ever be able to make it. 464 00:25:21,040 --> 00:25:22,520 Speaker 1: You know, what's your favorite story? 465 00:25:23,480 --> 00:25:26,920 Speaker 2: My favorite story is actually has turned into a documentary. 466 00:25:27,200 --> 00:25:29,200 Speaker 1: Really, yeah, tell me about it. 467 00:25:30,200 --> 00:25:34,760 Speaker 2: Larry, Larry Williams. Larry is someone that came into our program. 468 00:25:34,800 --> 00:25:37,240 Speaker 2: He did forty two years in prison. 469 00:25:38,160 --> 00:25:39,680 Speaker 1: That sounds like a murder route. 470 00:25:39,720 --> 00:25:42,960 Speaker 2: That was a murder roun and he came into our program. 471 00:25:43,000 --> 00:25:45,280 Speaker 2: He's sixty sixty something years old. 472 00:25:45,320 --> 00:25:47,400 Speaker 1: Now when he comes how old was he when he came. 473 00:25:47,400 --> 00:25:52,080 Speaker 2: Out twenty two twenty one? Wow, he did forty something 474 00:25:52,200 --> 00:25:54,280 Speaker 2: years and forty two years, and so he comes into 475 00:25:54,280 --> 00:25:59,920 Speaker 2: our program vital science. This dude is institutional line. 476 00:26:01,119 --> 00:26:03,760 Speaker 1: He yeah, let's set that for a second, because a 477 00:26:03,760 --> 00:26:07,680 Speaker 1: lot of listeners they've seen movies whatever, and they hear 478 00:26:07,760 --> 00:26:10,480 Speaker 1: forty two years. And I think we get desensitized to 479 00:26:10,560 --> 00:26:15,840 Speaker 1: the fact that when you're in prison, you were disassociated 480 00:26:16,000 --> 00:26:21,520 Speaker 1: with culture. And so I've heard the stories of people 481 00:26:21,560 --> 00:26:24,560 Speaker 1: coming out of prison, and it just is crazy that 482 00:26:24,600 --> 00:26:26,520 Speaker 1: they don't even know what a cell phone is. Really, 483 00:26:27,359 --> 00:26:29,760 Speaker 1: they don't even know how to use one, don't even 484 00:26:29,800 --> 00:26:33,639 Speaker 1: know what that is. There are no payphones anymore that 485 00:26:34,040 --> 00:26:46,240 Speaker 1: the world is. I asked a group of sixty twenty 486 00:26:46,280 --> 00:26:49,320 Speaker 1: something year olds not long ago in a speech, who 487 00:26:49,359 --> 00:26:54,560 Speaker 1: could name me one member of the group of people 488 00:26:54,600 --> 00:26:58,000 Speaker 1: that bombed the World Trade Center and have been gone 489 00:26:58,560 --> 00:27:02,119 Speaker 1: one there wasn't a single twenty year old in the 490 00:27:02,240 --> 00:27:06,719 Speaker 1: room that could name one well, they could tell you 491 00:27:06,840 --> 00:27:10,719 Speaker 1: anything about it. And that was on the twentieth anniversary 492 00:27:10,720 --> 00:27:13,800 Speaker 1: of it. Wow. So if in twenty years, which is 493 00:27:14,119 --> 00:27:20,400 Speaker 1: a generation, we can have sixty college kids that can't 494 00:27:20,440 --> 00:27:23,640 Speaker 1: even tell you one thing about the most destructive thing 495 00:27:23,680 --> 00:27:26,600 Speaker 1: to happen to our country since Pearl Harbor, and that 496 00:27:27,240 --> 00:27:32,560 Speaker 1: collective consciousness evaporates in only twenty years, think of what 497 00:27:32,720 --> 00:27:37,040 Speaker 1: society changes in forty years when you're avoid is Wow. 498 00:27:37,640 --> 00:27:40,280 Speaker 1: So this cat. So what I'm saying to you is 499 00:27:40,280 --> 00:27:42,359 Speaker 1: is when you hear a person comes out of prison 500 00:27:42,480 --> 00:27:45,040 Speaker 1: forty two years, they're coming into a world that might 501 00:27:45,040 --> 00:27:45,879 Speaker 1: as well be Mars. 502 00:27:46,160 --> 00:27:49,639 Speaker 2: Absolutely, they really are. And he came into it, you 503 00:27:49,640 --> 00:27:51,920 Speaker 2: can see it in the documentary. But he came into 504 00:27:51,960 --> 00:27:55,520 Speaker 2: it not knowing what a computer, what a mouse is. 505 00:27:55,800 --> 00:27:58,879 Speaker 1: Yeah, he say's a perfect example everybody about this. He 506 00:27:58,960 --> 00:28:02,040 Speaker 1: thinks of mouse is a great thing out of the 507 00:28:02,119 --> 00:28:05,159 Speaker 1: hole in the wall. He really doesn't understand what I'm. 508 00:28:05,520 --> 00:28:09,879 Speaker 2: Yeah, and he got frustrated. We had a mentor coaching 509 00:28:09,960 --> 00:28:11,920 Speaker 2: him and showing him what a mouse is and trying 510 00:28:11,920 --> 00:28:14,199 Speaker 2: to get him his Facebook set up and all this 511 00:28:14,200 --> 00:28:17,600 Speaker 2: stuff on social media and getting him and he, uh, 512 00:28:17,720 --> 00:28:19,920 Speaker 2: he said, I'm frustrated. I clicked this click to the 513 00:28:20,000 --> 00:28:22,480 Speaker 2: right button and the left button. You know, He's like, 514 00:28:22,920 --> 00:28:26,440 Speaker 2: I want to go back to prison. You know, it's 515 00:28:26,480 --> 00:28:30,359 Speaker 2: it's easier. You know, I don't have to be rejected. 516 00:28:30,480 --> 00:28:34,439 Speaker 2: I don't have to you know, people thinking crazy about me. 517 00:28:35,240 --> 00:28:36,960 Speaker 2: I don't understand his technology. 518 00:28:37,359 --> 00:28:38,120 Speaker 1: I know where I am. 519 00:28:38,440 --> 00:28:40,760 Speaker 2: You know, you have a name in prison. They respect 520 00:28:40,840 --> 00:28:43,760 Speaker 2: you in prison. They're family members. And and so I've 521 00:28:43,960 --> 00:28:48,080 Speaker 2: you know, uh, him coming out. And the documentary is 522 00:28:48,120 --> 00:28:52,920 Speaker 2: called First week Out, First Week Out, and uh they 523 00:28:53,040 --> 00:28:56,680 Speaker 2: just uh Iron Light in that group, Uh did a 524 00:28:56,680 --> 00:29:00,800 Speaker 2: great job and putting together this documentary and uh it's 525 00:29:00,840 --> 00:29:04,880 Speaker 2: winning all kinds of festival awards and they just show 526 00:29:04,920 --> 00:29:09,200 Speaker 2: his first week Out. It's a job. He's got housing, 527 00:29:09,280 --> 00:29:13,320 Speaker 2: gets a job, he's got transportation to his job. He's 528 00:29:13,360 --> 00:29:14,360 Speaker 2: doing well. 529 00:29:16,040 --> 00:29:16,360 Speaker 1: Right now. 530 00:29:16,400 --> 00:29:18,960 Speaker 2: He's right now, he's graduated from the program. He's got 531 00:29:18,960 --> 00:29:23,000 Speaker 2: his own apartment, he's got his own car. You know, 532 00:29:23,080 --> 00:29:25,120 Speaker 2: he's got a nice car. He's got it. It's still 533 00:29:25,160 --> 00:29:30,000 Speaker 2: at the job, working, working on his retirement, playing you know, 534 00:29:30,280 --> 00:29:33,640 Speaker 2: benefits and all that. And so he's he's and now 535 00:29:33,680 --> 00:29:37,040 Speaker 2: he's in a documentary that's winning all kinds of awards. 536 00:29:38,080 --> 00:29:41,040 Speaker 2: He goes to our church and he's he's in church, 537 00:29:41,120 --> 00:29:44,080 Speaker 2: he's doing he's doing the right thing. He's mentoring young people. 538 00:29:44,200 --> 00:29:52,440 Speaker 1: How does he? How does he? I should be asking 539 00:29:52,520 --> 00:29:56,560 Speaker 1: him this question, probably not you, but I'm searching for 540 00:29:56,600 --> 00:30:00,120 Speaker 1: the right words to ask this question in a in 541 00:30:00,160 --> 00:30:05,560 Speaker 1: a respectful way. He murdered somebody, Yeah, how does he 542 00:30:05,800 --> 00:30:11,760 Speaker 1: balance this right chance and this new opportunity and this 543 00:30:12,000 --> 00:30:15,040 Speaker 1: life he's starting to be able to live with the 544 00:30:15,080 --> 00:30:17,800 Speaker 1: fact that he took one from somebody who won't ever 545 00:30:17,880 --> 00:30:23,000 Speaker 1: have that chance? Does he do these guys once they 546 00:30:23,080 --> 00:30:26,360 Speaker 1: finally get off the grip of the drugs and the 547 00:30:26,480 --> 00:30:31,840 Speaker 1: life quotes and they go through a program because there's 548 00:30:31,840 --> 00:30:35,000 Speaker 1: a self awakening that happens in things like this, I believe, 549 00:30:35,080 --> 00:30:37,600 Speaker 1: and I think people start to look at themselves differently, 550 00:30:38,120 --> 00:30:40,120 Speaker 1: and they know what they're looking at when it's them 551 00:30:40,120 --> 00:30:42,680 Speaker 1: and them in the mirror. How does a guy like 552 00:30:42,760 --> 00:30:46,240 Speaker 1: that balance this amazing opportunity, even this late in life, 553 00:30:46,280 --> 00:30:48,600 Speaker 1: that he has, and the love he's been shown by 554 00:30:48,640 --> 00:30:53,520 Speaker 1: guys like you and mentors and teachers and everything. And 555 00:30:52,080 --> 00:30:56,760 Speaker 1: then he recognizes, you know, despite it all, I took 556 00:30:56,800 --> 00:30:59,160 Speaker 1: a lot. I mean, do guys still struggle with that? 557 00:30:59,240 --> 00:30:59,960 Speaker 1: I guess what I say. 558 00:31:00,200 --> 00:31:03,600 Speaker 2: Well, in the documentary, it addresses a lot of that 559 00:31:03,840 --> 00:31:08,920 Speaker 2: guilt and shame and remorse, and even he makes the 560 00:31:09,000 --> 00:31:12,280 Speaker 2: statement from all the stuff he goes through when he 561 00:31:12,320 --> 00:31:14,920 Speaker 2: comes out still after he'd done forty two years, what 562 00:31:15,080 --> 00:31:17,480 Speaker 2: society says he needs to pay his forty two years 563 00:31:17,480 --> 00:31:21,080 Speaker 2: of his life. He said, I wonder if I'm forgiving 564 00:31:21,880 --> 00:31:26,640 Speaker 2: by God. Wow, I'm not sure if I'm forgiven by him. 565 00:31:27,240 --> 00:31:30,160 Speaker 2: And so there's a sense forgive yourself. How could you 566 00:31:30,200 --> 00:31:34,280 Speaker 2: forgive yourself? So they still deal with these trauma. There's 567 00:31:34,280 --> 00:31:37,360 Speaker 2: so much trauma goes on and mental illness that takes 568 00:31:37,440 --> 00:31:39,400 Speaker 2: place by going through this time. In fact, I heard 569 00:31:39,400 --> 00:31:42,800 Speaker 2: a veteran say, you get more trauma going to prison 570 00:31:42,840 --> 00:31:45,880 Speaker 2: than you do fighting in the war, because there's a 571 00:31:45,920 --> 00:31:48,560 Speaker 2: war there. It's a war, you know, and they see 572 00:31:48,560 --> 00:31:52,240 Speaker 2: a lot of stuff that average people shouldn't see. 573 00:31:52,360 --> 00:31:54,840 Speaker 1: I mean, just nobody should see. 574 00:31:55,120 --> 00:32:00,800 Speaker 2: It's just it's traumatizing. And so he's learned to give himself. 575 00:32:01,880 --> 00:32:06,400 Speaker 2: When we attach him to a family, there's a Caucasian family, 576 00:32:06,400 --> 00:32:09,280 Speaker 2: this is an African American guy attached him to this 577 00:32:09,440 --> 00:32:12,480 Speaker 2: older Caucasian family that fell in love with him. 578 00:32:12,680 --> 00:32:13,000 Speaker 1: Wow. 579 00:32:13,800 --> 00:32:17,080 Speaker 2: I certified the father of this family as a coach, 580 00:32:17,680 --> 00:32:19,880 Speaker 2: and we try to attach them to families so they 581 00:32:19,880 --> 00:32:23,320 Speaker 2: can feel like they have family. This family has taken 582 00:32:23,360 --> 00:32:28,120 Speaker 2: him in, this white Caucasian family. This is an ex murderer. 583 00:32:29,120 --> 00:32:32,400 Speaker 2: They're older, no children, no young beauty, and they got 584 00:32:32,520 --> 00:32:36,120 Speaker 2: they got ability to help him. They take this guy 585 00:32:36,280 --> 00:32:38,440 Speaker 2: to go get his car fixed, They take this guy 586 00:32:38,520 --> 00:32:41,880 Speaker 2: to go get his trying to get his benefits. They're 587 00:32:42,040 --> 00:32:43,400 Speaker 2: they're walking alongside of it. 588 00:32:43,520 --> 00:32:45,840 Speaker 1: And I imagine they're happy to do that if as 589 00:32:45,840 --> 00:32:48,040 Speaker 1: long as he meets him halfway and keeps doing the. 590 00:32:48,040 --> 00:32:51,520 Speaker 2: Right thing exactly. And Larry is an independent kind of guy, 591 00:32:51,560 --> 00:32:54,400 Speaker 2: and he doesn't like people that try to help him 592 00:32:54,400 --> 00:32:57,840 Speaker 2: too much. Yeah, I get he's like, you know, that's okay. 593 00:32:57,880 --> 00:33:00,400 Speaker 2: That said they want to And I told the man, 594 00:33:00,520 --> 00:33:01,880 Speaker 2: Larry is not about you. 595 00:33:02,520 --> 00:33:05,160 Speaker 1: Yeah, you have to be as cheerful receivers. Yeah. 596 00:33:05,280 --> 00:33:09,360 Speaker 2: Yeah, you're helping other people, letting them help you. They 597 00:33:09,360 --> 00:33:10,520 Speaker 2: feel good about helping you. 598 00:33:10,560 --> 00:33:13,960 Speaker 1: A guy like that, I hear that, and my heart 599 00:33:13,960 --> 00:33:18,480 Speaker 1: breaks for anybody who wonders if God could forgive him. 600 00:33:18,520 --> 00:33:24,280 Speaker 1: And I always remind myself that, you know, David took 601 00:33:24,400 --> 00:33:31,600 Speaker 1: his most trusted lieutenant's wife and had an adulted her 602 00:33:31,880 --> 00:33:36,880 Speaker 1: and then to save face, killed her husband and was 603 00:33:36,960 --> 00:33:40,920 Speaker 1: still forgiven. And if you can do that, God can 604 00:33:40,960 --> 00:33:41,360 Speaker 1: forgive you. 605 00:33:41,440 --> 00:33:41,960 Speaker 2: Yeah. 606 00:33:42,000 --> 00:33:43,560 Speaker 1: And so Larry's gonna be fine. 607 00:33:43,800 --> 00:33:47,239 Speaker 2: He's learning, he's learning that God has forgiven him. 608 00:33:47,520 --> 00:33:51,440 Speaker 1: He's gonna be fine. But that's interesting that they I would, 609 00:33:51,480 --> 00:33:53,640 Speaker 1: I would carry that good with me. Yeah, I mean 610 00:33:53,800 --> 00:33:55,560 Speaker 1: I would, I would carry that good with me. But 611 00:33:55,600 --> 00:33:59,000 Speaker 1: the amazing thing is you take a guy who's been 612 00:33:59,040 --> 00:34:02,640 Speaker 1: in jail for forty two years, exits into our society 613 00:34:02,680 --> 00:34:06,440 Speaker 1: with him looks like Mars, right, and in only a 614 00:34:06,440 --> 00:34:09,719 Speaker 1: few years, he's got his own place, got his own car, 615 00:34:09,960 --> 00:34:13,839 Speaker 1: got a job, made friends, joined the church. Yeah, it's 616 00:34:13,840 --> 00:34:15,240 Speaker 1: an amazing story. 617 00:34:14,920 --> 00:34:16,239 Speaker 2: And they love him on his job. 618 00:34:16,920 --> 00:34:19,600 Speaker 1: And that can be done all over this country. 619 00:34:19,680 --> 00:34:22,719 Speaker 2: Yes, he could. And we can change the re entry 620 00:34:23,480 --> 00:34:29,440 Speaker 2: industry tremendously if we just knew how to do these things, 621 00:34:29,880 --> 00:34:32,000 Speaker 2: because I think most people just think lock them up, 622 00:34:32,320 --> 00:34:36,080 Speaker 2: but really they're coming back out. Ninety five percent of 623 00:34:36,080 --> 00:34:38,000 Speaker 2: them coming right back out and living right next door 624 00:34:38,040 --> 00:34:42,880 Speaker 2: to you, why not change that narrative and do something different. 625 00:34:42,920 --> 00:34:45,640 Speaker 2: And we do that, we're going to create a better society, 626 00:34:45,880 --> 00:34:48,520 Speaker 2: less victims. That's how I look at it. You got 627 00:34:48,600 --> 00:34:49,879 Speaker 2: less victims, you help the people. 628 00:34:49,880 --> 00:34:52,680 Speaker 1: That's commit less tax dollars going to support prisons instead 629 00:34:52,719 --> 00:34:54,440 Speaker 1: of social programs that can help us out. 630 00:34:54,480 --> 00:34:54,960 Speaker 2: You got it. 631 00:34:55,120 --> 00:34:55,799 Speaker 1: That's right, man. 632 00:34:56,560 --> 00:35:01,120 Speaker 2: Here's the thing. I got some being called ren estate, 633 00:35:01,239 --> 00:35:05,000 Speaker 2: my life coaches. I certify life coaches. They take the 634 00:35:05,080 --> 00:35:08,760 Speaker 2: same blueprint and they're doing it all over the country. 635 00:35:09,080 --> 00:35:12,320 Speaker 1: Yeah, that's my question. So this is an army of 636 00:35:12,360 --> 00:35:16,640 Speaker 1: normal folks. And the idea here is is to tell 637 00:35:17,120 --> 00:35:21,280 Speaker 1: really cool stories, not of people whose names you've heard 638 00:35:21,360 --> 00:35:25,000 Speaker 1: in the news and movies and TVs, but really cool 639 00:35:25,040 --> 00:35:27,120 Speaker 1: stories are just guys like you and me, just normal 640 00:35:27,120 --> 00:35:31,040 Speaker 1: folks who happen to be involved and been fortunate enough 641 00:35:31,400 --> 00:35:34,680 Speaker 1: to do some pretty extraordinary things. And the idea is 642 00:35:34,719 --> 00:35:38,680 Speaker 1: to share those stories, right because they're uplifting and interesting. 643 00:35:38,760 --> 00:35:41,800 Speaker 1: And I think we all have conflict in our lives, 644 00:35:41,800 --> 00:35:45,680 Speaker 1: and the conflict of you with the guy in Tulsa, 645 00:35:45,760 --> 00:35:49,200 Speaker 1: and the things we learn about ourselves who those conflicts 646 00:35:49,200 --> 00:35:53,040 Speaker 1: are interesting. But the idea is that somebody's sitting in 647 00:35:55,000 --> 00:36:00,560 Speaker 1: for Collins right now, here's the story and says, I 648 00:36:00,560 --> 00:36:03,799 Speaker 1: could do that. You know that reaches my heart. I 649 00:36:03,800 --> 00:36:06,760 Speaker 1: could do that. And your story may reach some people. 650 00:36:06,760 --> 00:36:09,600 Speaker 1: Other people's story may reach others. But to me, this 651 00:36:09,640 --> 00:36:13,440 Speaker 1: one seems like a no brainer. It works, it's self sufficient, 652 00:36:13,920 --> 00:36:19,040 Speaker 1: and you can scale absolutely. And how does if somebody 653 00:36:19,080 --> 00:36:21,880 Speaker 1: hears that and wants to do that, how do they 654 00:36:21,920 --> 00:36:24,080 Speaker 1: do that? Who do they call? What do they do? 655 00:36:24,200 --> 00:36:27,720 Speaker 2: The portal to getting into this whole system is becoming 656 00:36:27,840 --> 00:36:29,840 Speaker 2: a certified life coach. 657 00:36:30,080 --> 00:36:30,520 Speaker 1: That's it. 658 00:36:30,640 --> 00:36:32,840 Speaker 2: That's it. If you want to do this kind of work, 659 00:36:33,400 --> 00:36:35,560 Speaker 2: you got to learn to practice, you got to learn. 660 00:36:35,840 --> 00:36:37,840 Speaker 2: And when you become a certified life coach, I have 661 00:36:37,920 --> 00:36:41,120 Speaker 2: something called culture preneur. That's the next level. Once you 662 00:36:41,200 --> 00:36:44,239 Speaker 2: learn the skill of coaching, learn the industry, learn what 663 00:36:44,280 --> 00:36:47,680 Speaker 2: we do, learn the best practices. Because I'm known as 664 00:36:47,719 --> 00:36:50,239 Speaker 2: a re entry expert throughout the country, I'm teaching them 665 00:36:50,280 --> 00:36:54,080 Speaker 2: all the stuff I do. I'm giving it away right literally, 666 00:36:54,440 --> 00:36:57,200 Speaker 2: they have to pay for the certification. It takes some 667 00:36:57,239 --> 00:37:01,560 Speaker 2: money to do that. But after that, I'm giving you 668 00:37:01,560 --> 00:37:06,279 Speaker 2: the blueprint to the housing, to the transportation, to the 669 00:37:06,320 --> 00:37:12,719 Speaker 2: staffing agency to how to build communities within your community. 670 00:37:12,840 --> 00:37:15,040 Speaker 1: And you're saying this is being done currently in other 671 00:37:15,080 --> 00:37:16,080 Speaker 1: places right now. 672 00:37:16,480 --> 00:37:19,480 Speaker 2: In Washington, d C, LA, Texas. 673 00:37:19,600 --> 00:37:22,480 Speaker 1: Are the people doing them all ex felons or are 674 00:37:22,480 --> 00:37:25,359 Speaker 1: they just some people that just want to both? Oh, 675 00:37:25,480 --> 00:37:27,120 Speaker 1: So you don't necessarily have to be an ex fellow 676 00:37:27,200 --> 00:37:29,160 Speaker 1: to do just somebody that cares about. 677 00:37:29,400 --> 00:37:31,680 Speaker 2: Just somebody that cares. And that's why I teach them 678 00:37:31,680 --> 00:37:34,120 Speaker 2: the coach approach because you don't have to be an 679 00:37:34,120 --> 00:37:36,920 Speaker 2: expert with somebody else's life to be a coach. A 680 00:37:37,040 --> 00:37:40,480 Speaker 2: mentor is different, right. A coach is somebody just ask 681 00:37:40,560 --> 00:37:43,160 Speaker 2: good questions. They're a good listener that goide the process. 682 00:37:43,640 --> 00:37:43,839 Speaker 1: Right. 683 00:37:43,880 --> 00:37:46,840 Speaker 2: You don't have to have had that experience because that 684 00:37:46,920 --> 00:37:48,439 Speaker 2: person is an expert with their life. 685 00:37:48,520 --> 00:37:48,759 Speaker 1: Right. 686 00:37:49,040 --> 00:37:50,759 Speaker 2: All you're doing is bringing it out and let them 687 00:37:50,760 --> 00:37:54,480 Speaker 2: see themselves and make better decisions, that's all. And so 688 00:37:54,520 --> 00:37:56,600 Speaker 2: they take all of that and take the whole blueprint 689 00:37:56,880 --> 00:38:01,000 Speaker 2: and duplicate it. That's all that. And it works throughout 690 00:38:01,040 --> 00:38:05,719 Speaker 2: the whole country that way. Vital signs. Vital Signs is 691 00:38:05,800 --> 00:38:06,920 Speaker 2: doing the work. 692 00:38:07,239 --> 00:38:13,040 Speaker 1: Vital signs. Yeah. So if I'm the guy in Little Rock, 693 00:38:13,160 --> 00:38:17,919 Speaker 1: Arkansas and I want to start a vital signs thing 694 00:38:18,760 --> 00:38:21,560 Speaker 1: in my community. You know, how do I reach out 695 00:38:21,680 --> 00:38:24,879 Speaker 1: to Lee to find out? Lee, how'd you do it? 696 00:38:24,960 --> 00:38:26,920 Speaker 1: And to get in touch with you? Can you share that? 697 00:38:27,120 --> 00:38:31,200 Speaker 2: Sure? Yeah, they can go to our website, Lee Robbins 698 00:38:31,520 --> 00:38:33,880 Speaker 2: dot com. You spell that L E E R O 699 00:38:34,040 --> 00:38:37,080 Speaker 2: B B I N S dot com. You go there. 700 00:38:37,239 --> 00:38:39,520 Speaker 2: That is the portal to it all. I mean, if 701 00:38:39,560 --> 00:38:42,960 Speaker 2: you want to know something about the staffing, the coaching, 702 00:38:43,440 --> 00:38:49,080 Speaker 2: the transportation called uplift which means uber plus lyft, will 703 00:38:49,120 --> 00:38:50,560 Speaker 2: you go to all of this? You go to that 704 00:38:50,640 --> 00:38:52,759 Speaker 2: one site and it'll take you to all the other sides. 705 00:38:52,960 --> 00:38:57,680 Speaker 1: Lee. Can you imagine if every community that had a 706 00:38:57,719 --> 00:39:03,080 Speaker 1: prison in it took five, let's just say it on 707 00:39:03,160 --> 00:39:10,120 Speaker 1: a small level, five prisoners, five former prisoners and put 708 00:39:10,160 --> 00:39:13,600 Speaker 1: them through the system, how we could change the entire 709 00:39:13,680 --> 00:39:19,719 Speaker 1: face of today's recidivision rate. It would be phenomenal. Lee Robbins, 710 00:39:20,440 --> 00:39:28,200 Speaker 1: it has been an absolute pleasure you And there's no 711 00:39:28,239 --> 00:39:32,839 Speaker 1: doubt you are a normal dude who's been through an 712 00:39:32,840 --> 00:39:38,640 Speaker 1: extraordinary life. And the work you're doing is it just 713 00:39:38,680 --> 00:39:42,000 Speaker 1: furthers to advance an army of normal folks trying to 714 00:39:42,000 --> 00:39:44,160 Speaker 1: do amazing things in our country and has been an 715 00:39:44,200 --> 00:39:46,000 Speaker 1: honor that's been some time with you today. 716 00:39:45,800 --> 00:39:48,440 Speaker 2: Thank you so much. Just likewise, here with you and 717 00:39:49,280 --> 00:39:52,319 Speaker 2: all the stuff that you've done, I'm amazed and just 718 00:39:52,560 --> 00:39:56,160 Speaker 2: blessed at seeing your work and your documentary and everything 719 00:39:56,160 --> 00:39:58,000 Speaker 2: you're doing for the inner City. Thank you so much. 720 00:39:58,239 --> 00:40:04,840 Speaker 1: I appreciate you, and I appreciate all of you for 721 00:40:05,000 --> 00:40:09,160 Speaker 1: joining us this week. Y'all. If Pastor Lee or another 722 00:40:09,280 --> 00:40:12,319 Speaker 1: guest has inspired you in general, or better yet, to 723 00:40:12,440 --> 00:40:15,840 Speaker 1: take action by starting of vital signs in your community 724 00:40:15,960 --> 00:40:20,759 Speaker 1: or something else entirely, please let me know. I'd love 725 00:40:20,840 --> 00:40:23,560 Speaker 1: to hear about it. You can write me anytime at 726 00:40:23,600 --> 00:40:27,640 Speaker 1: Bill at normalfolks dot us, and I'm telling you I 727 00:40:27,719 --> 00:40:31,560 Speaker 1: will respond. If you enjoyed this episode, please share it 728 00:40:31,600 --> 00:40:34,600 Speaker 1: with friends that are on social, subscribe to the podcast, 729 00:40:34,760 --> 00:40:38,879 Speaker 1: rate and review it, Become a premium member at normalfolks 730 00:40:38,880 --> 00:40:41,880 Speaker 1: dot us. All these things that will help us grow 731 00:40:42,320 --> 00:40:46,200 Speaker 1: an army of normal folks. I'm Bill Courtney. I'll see 732 00:40:46,239 --> 00:40:46,840 Speaker 1: you next week.