WEBVTT - Unified Field Theory of Conspiracy 0:00:00.040 --> 0:00:03.559 People will say, just so you know, I'm not feeling suicidal. 0:00:04.000 --> 0:00:07.040 I love my life, and if you hear anything other 0:00:07.520 --> 0:00:10.360 about me, you'll know it's not the real deal. Because 0:00:10.440 --> 0:00:15.160 people have controversially died, and Forrestall is the first one 0:00:15.200 --> 0:00:18.639 when that happened in forty nine, and people think he 0:00:18.840 --> 0:00:22.360 was all over this UFO issue after Roswell, that he 0:00:22.560 --> 0:00:26.360 was tied into Roswell, and then later Kennedy was tied 0:00:26.400 --> 0:00:26.920 into him. 0:00:27.040 --> 0:00:30.360 Of course, don't even get me started on the twelve scientists. 0:00:30.360 --> 0:00:33.560 By the way, all of them are linked to classified 0:00:33.640 --> 0:00:37.760 nuclear and aerospace projects, who are all currently missing or dead, 0:00:38.280 --> 0:00:40.400 some by suicide allegedly. 0:01:00.920 --> 0:01:03.320 I'm bryce able. Have you ever wondered if there's a 0:01:03.440 --> 0:01:06.319 secret connection between Hollywood and UFOs. 0:01:06.800 --> 0:01:09.840 I'm Brent Friedman, and you are listening to sound, light 0:01:09.920 --> 0:01:10.679 and frequency. 0:01:11.000 --> 0:01:15.039 And in this episode, we're putting JFK and Roswell in 0:01:15.080 --> 0:01:17.520 an atom collider and we'll see what happens. 0:01:17.840 --> 0:01:20.399 Then we're going to a real atom collider on the 0:01:20.440 --> 0:01:23.240 Swiss Franco border and we're going to ask some very 0:01:23.240 --> 0:01:34.640 interesting questions. Last episode, we talked about some very interesting 0:01:34.760 --> 0:01:38.120 postcards that we were sent in the mail during the 0:01:38.160 --> 0:01:42.640 whole Dark Sky's experience, which, as we talked about, set 0:01:42.680 --> 0:01:46.640 off a whole series of questions and intrigue and frankly 0:01:47.160 --> 0:01:50.120 put us into a state of paranoia. And so today 0:01:50.200 --> 0:01:52.880 what we'd like to do is start to ask why 0:01:52.920 --> 0:01:56.120 did those postcards get sent to us? And was it 0:01:56.160 --> 0:01:59.840 at all connected to specifically what we did in the 0:02:00.040 --> 0:02:00.960 Dark Sky's pilot. 0:02:01.160 --> 0:02:04.160 Well, I'm joining you today, Brent, from my San Francisco 0:02:04.320 --> 0:02:09.160 office of the Vast Stellar Productions Holdings. Anyway, I take 0:02:09.200 --> 0:02:13.839 your point about those postcards, and the purpose of today's podcast, Brent, 0:02:14.040 --> 0:02:17.080 is to ask ourselves a question. We got those cards 0:02:17.080 --> 0:02:20.560 in the middle of the summer as we were starting 0:02:20.600 --> 0:02:22.839 to shoot Dark Sky, so all it was out there 0:02:22.919 --> 0:02:26.120 was a pilot script and a bible, and so that 0:02:26.200 --> 0:02:29.480 we've always asked ourselves what was in those things that 0:02:29.520 --> 0:02:34.120 would have made anybody say, let's send semi threatening postcards 0:02:34.120 --> 0:02:36.560 to this Zabele guy so he can show him to 0:02:36.639 --> 0:02:39.440 Freedman and they can freak out. Why would that happen? 0:02:39.760 --> 0:02:41.800 And I think what you and I have decided is 0:02:41.960 --> 0:02:45.160 at least one of the leading theories. It goes back 0:02:45.200 --> 0:02:48.320 to when we were working on creating darks guys, and 0:02:48.360 --> 0:02:52.760 we said, let's try the unified field theory of conspiracy. 0:02:52.960 --> 0:02:56.239 Let's take the two greatest conspiracies of the twentieth century 0:02:56.680 --> 0:03:00.880 Roswell nineteen forty seven, JFK nineteen sixty three. Let's put 0:03:00.880 --> 0:03:04.280 them in Adam Collider and see what happens. And that's 0:03:04.720 --> 0:03:08.040 what dark Skuys was. And as you said, that's one 0:03:08.040 --> 0:03:10.280 of the things JC first told us when he met 0:03:10.320 --> 0:03:13.400 us over a year later. You got a lot of things, right. 0:03:13.480 --> 0:03:15.480 Do you think maybe he was talking about that. 0:03:15.960 --> 0:03:18.440 It's a good theory, and I think today what we 0:03:18.480 --> 0:03:20.960 need to do is put each one of those conspiracies 0:03:21.040 --> 0:03:23.919 under the microscope and examine them. And I just want 0:03:23.960 --> 0:03:26.200 to say, as a bit of a tease for later 0:03:26.240 --> 0:03:29.080 in the episode, we're going to look at a third conspiracy, 0:03:29.320 --> 0:03:33.240 or I should say a third emerging conspiracy set in 0:03:33.280 --> 0:03:35.240 the twenty first century around cern. 0:03:35.560 --> 0:03:37.360 That's a real album collider if I'm not. 0:03:37.360 --> 0:03:41.000 Mistaken, exactly, And we are going to be connecting some 0:03:41.120 --> 0:03:44.400 dots back to the formula as we move that subplot forward, 0:03:44.480 --> 0:03:47.520 So stay tuned for that. In the meantime, Bryce you 0:03:47.560 --> 0:03:50.360 had suggested, do we do a lightning round and start 0:03:50.400 --> 0:03:55.080 looking at the cultural footprint that Roswell has left since 0:03:55.160 --> 0:03:56.200 nineteen forty seven. 0:04:00.120 --> 0:04:03.520 It is interesting to look at Roswell. It is culture 0:04:03.720 --> 0:04:06.160 right now. If you say the word Roswell to people, 0:04:06.240 --> 0:04:08.520 it's sort of like a shorthand way to say the 0:04:08.560 --> 0:04:11.480 government's lying to you, because we know the government light 0:04:11.520 --> 0:04:15.320 about something. Back in nineteen forty seven. They basically said 0:04:15.400 --> 0:04:17.600 we have a flying disc and then the next day 0:04:17.640 --> 0:04:19.520 they said, no, we don't. It was a weatherbloon. So 0:04:19.760 --> 0:04:22.080 they were lying at the beginning or the end somewhere 0:04:22.160 --> 0:04:25.640 in there. And so movies and television always picked these 0:04:25.680 --> 0:04:28.640 things up. So let's do this. You go first, tell 0:04:28.680 --> 0:04:32.400 me something you remember that you've seen where Roswell is mentioned, 0:04:32.440 --> 0:04:34.400 and then I'll give you one, and let's see how 0:04:34.480 --> 0:04:35.760 how long we can keep this going. 0:04:35.880 --> 0:04:38.280 All right, Low Hanging Fruit, Dark Skies. 0:04:38.279 --> 0:04:40.719 That's true, we've already said what that one was. I've 0:04:40.760 --> 0:04:43.360 got one that came out the same year as Dark Skys, though, 0:04:43.400 --> 0:04:45.200 and I think it's a pretty good one. And that 0:04:45.360 --> 0:04:48.760 would be literally the Rock. You remember this movie. It 0:04:48.800 --> 0:04:52.720 takes place literally at Alcatraz, which is important because I'm 0:04:52.760 --> 0:04:56.719 in San Francisco right now, and Sean Connery's involved in it, 0:04:57.080 --> 0:05:00.520 and they invoke Roswell as one of the biggest governments secrets, 0:05:00.800 --> 0:05:04.040 and they literally pair it, Brent with quote the truth 0:05:04.080 --> 0:05:07.359 about JFK. So this is all purpose. It is a 0:05:07.400 --> 0:05:11.280 great example. That is the single passport to conspiracy. If 0:05:11.320 --> 0:05:14.640 you say it, the audience absolutely understands it has to 0:05:14.680 --> 0:05:17.719 do with deep state secrets. And it's not a big 0:05:17.720 --> 0:05:20.360 part of the movie. It's just so casually invoked in 0:05:20.440 --> 0:05:23.440 the Rock. But you have to mention it because it 0:05:23.600 --> 0:05:26.200 was one of the first times where you could just 0:05:26.680 --> 0:05:29.600 go wow, didn't expect to see or hear that. 0:05:29.800 --> 0:05:32.360 Well. It's nice too, because the movie wasn't about Roswell 0:05:32.480 --> 0:05:35.640 or JFK. That was just this tossed off little piece 0:05:35.640 --> 0:05:38.080 of dialogue. It was about this guy who supposedly knew 0:05:38.080 --> 0:05:40.120 all about it. Right, you give me one, I'm going 0:05:40.160 --> 0:05:42.880 to give you a two fer oh X Files and 0:05:43.000 --> 0:05:44.880 it's spin off The Lone Gunman. 0:05:45.320 --> 0:05:48.919 Yeah, all right. What was their take on Roswell? 0:05:49.000 --> 0:05:52.279 Their take, if I remember correctly, was it was basically 0:05:52.279 --> 0:05:55.440 a variation on a theme. It did happen, but they 0:05:55.440 --> 0:05:59.120 had a much more kind of interesting twist on the 0:05:59.160 --> 0:06:00.680 actual conspirac itself. 0:06:00.720 --> 0:06:03.640 If I recall, the best way to describe X Files 0:06:03.880 --> 0:06:09.360 with Roswell is it's some mythic cornerstone inside their larger mythology, right, 0:06:09.480 --> 0:06:12.680 It's a mythology inside of mythology. And they had one 0:06:12.720 --> 0:06:17.599 episode called EBE, which we know stands for extraterrestrial biological entity. 0:06:17.800 --> 0:06:20.800 But what's strange about it is, if I'm remembering this correctly, 0:06:20.880 --> 0:06:24.240 their deep throat tells Molder that after Roswell, he says, 0:06:24.440 --> 0:06:29.360 governments made a pack that any live extraterrestrial EBE would 0:06:29.400 --> 0:06:33.200 be killed, which sort of adds to the Roswell cosmology 0:06:33.200 --> 0:06:35.400 in a very dark way. And then in a later 0:06:35.440 --> 0:06:38.480 one they did something called The Unnatural that literally takes 0:06:38.520 --> 0:06:41.880 place at Roswell in nineteen forty seven and involves baseball. 0:06:42.240 --> 0:06:45.880 So they've literally in X Files made it serious conspiracy 0:06:45.880 --> 0:06:49.200 canon and American folklore at the same time, which I 0:06:49.200 --> 0:06:52.159 thought was interesting. I enjoyed it. The Lone Gunman. To 0:06:52.200 --> 0:06:54.719 the best of my knowledge, I don't think they ever 0:06:54.880 --> 0:06:57.360 invoke it by name. They live in a world where 0:06:57.440 --> 0:07:00.920 Roswell happened. Okay, here's another one now, eighteen ninety six. 0:07:01.160 --> 0:07:03.440 There's a lot going in the nineties. You got dark 0:07:03.440 --> 0:07:05.760 skys You Got the Rock, You Got X Files is on. 0:07:06.120 --> 0:07:08.400 And here's another big one, which we covered in a 0:07:08.560 --> 0:07:10.600 previous episode, Independence Day. 0:07:10.880 --> 0:07:13.720 Yep, No, that's a big one. I'm going to take Actually, 0:07:13.720 --> 0:07:15.000 a project you worked. 0:07:14.760 --> 0:07:18.480 On, Taken, is a great example because what happens in 0:07:18.680 --> 0:07:23.240 Taken is it is the inciting incident. I'm talking about Roswell. Now. 0:07:23.360 --> 0:07:26.520 In Taken, Roswell is the inciting incident of the entire 0:07:26.600 --> 0:07:30.520 mini series, and it launches the government conspiracy. There are 0:07:30.560 --> 0:07:32.880 ten episodes to take in and they all deal with that. 0:07:33.240 --> 0:07:34.760 I guess this is the way you would say it. 0:07:35.120 --> 0:07:39.600 In Taken. It is a multi generational launch point, right, 0:07:40.120 --> 0:07:43.560 Roswell happens, and these families are involved in it, and 0:07:43.600 --> 0:07:47.680 it goes across generations. When you hear Roswell in that series, 0:07:47.880 --> 0:07:51.760 you're invoking abduction and hybrids. But of course state power. 0:07:51.920 --> 0:07:55.360 Another one that we shouldn't miss here is Project Blue Book, 0:07:55.520 --> 0:07:58.880 which was on History Channel not long ago. They did 0:07:58.880 --> 0:08:02.720 two seasons. It's a buried origin story. They don't make 0:08:02.840 --> 0:08:06.480 tons about it. They do say it's a real extraterrestrial 0:08:06.520 --> 0:08:09.679 event that was hidden by military authority. So it's invoked 0:08:09.680 --> 0:08:12.360 a lot. But so is JFK. Frankly, in season two 0:08:12.720 --> 0:08:16.040 of Project Bluebook. JFK is a character. I mean he's 0:08:16.080 --> 0:08:19.040 literally a character. So there's that anything else. 0:08:19.360 --> 0:08:22.160 I'm going to maybe finish this up with a last 0:08:22.280 --> 0:08:26.480 unlikely one, but from our old friend Steven Spielberg once again, 0:08:26.600 --> 0:08:29.200 Indiana Jones and the Kingdom of the Crystal Skull. I 0:08:29.360 --> 0:08:32.120 just watched it two nights ago. Okay, maybe give us 0:08:32.160 --> 0:08:33.720 a recap on how that I didn't. 0:08:33.880 --> 0:08:37.439 Honestly, I do think Spielberg is a film genius, of course, 0:08:37.640 --> 0:08:40.679 but that's not his best film. But I will say this. 0:08:41.080 --> 0:08:44.600 It begins with Indiana Jones in nineteen forty seven being 0:08:44.640 --> 0:08:47.920 at Area fifty one and he gets taken by these 0:08:48.360 --> 0:08:52.480 Soviet spies, and these guys want him to help locate 0:08:52.559 --> 0:08:56.040 the preserved body of an alien recovered at the Roswell incident. 0:08:56.240 --> 0:08:59.160 One other quick one, though, would have to be American 0:08:59.200 --> 0:09:02.800 horror story because that's very recent, that's on TV, and 0:09:02.880 --> 0:09:06.400 of course they turned it into a campy, paranoid alt 0:09:06.559 --> 0:09:09.680 history nightmare. And what's interesting about it, I thought you 0:09:09.760 --> 0:09:12.800 and I took everything but the kitchen sink of conspiracy 0:09:13.080 --> 0:09:16.760 and threw it into a blender for dark skies. But 0:09:16.840 --> 0:09:20.400 these guys took everything anything that people have ever said 0:09:20.559 --> 0:09:23.400 about anything about Roswell. Boom, it's in there. You got 0:09:23.400 --> 0:09:26.520 the presidents and they're making deals with aliens and people 0:09:26.600 --> 0:09:29.880 are levitating, and it's crazy. I guess the point that 0:09:30.080 --> 0:09:32.160 we're making here by just going through all these this 0:09:32.360 --> 0:09:34.760 was not exhaustive. And in fact, if you want to 0:09:34.840 --> 0:09:37.800 laugh instead of get all bent out of shape, I 0:09:37.800 --> 0:09:42.200 would recommend Brent that people should watch Paul. They never 0:09:42.280 --> 0:09:44.200 quite say, and Paul, by the way, that he is 0:09:44.240 --> 0:09:47.920 the original Roswell alien, but for my money is implied, 0:09:48.280 --> 0:09:51.800 hears implied. Roswell has become a cultural thing. So it's 0:09:51.840 --> 0:09:53.880 in the movies and all that. Let's talk about what 0:09:53.960 --> 0:09:55.240 it really is. First time, I was. 0:09:55.280 --> 0:09:57.600 Going to say, we've done Hollywood at least a nice 0:09:57.600 --> 0:09:59.560 fly over. Now let's do history. 0:09:59.640 --> 0:10:02.040 Okay, people like you and me, we probably know enough 0:10:02.080 --> 0:10:04.080 about Roswell that we could talk for a couple of 0:10:04.120 --> 0:10:07.720 our episodes about it before we ran completely dry. But 0:10:08.080 --> 0:10:10.360 one of the people I know very well is a 0:10:10.360 --> 0:10:13.439 guy named Don Schmidt, who is one of the researchers 0:10:13.520 --> 0:10:17.440 of Roswell. Don has been researching since the late eighties 0:10:17.840 --> 0:10:21.440 he worked for Kufos JL and Heinik was his boss 0:10:21.440 --> 0:10:24.560 for a while. He has written multiple books about it, 0:10:24.720 --> 0:10:28.440 and he has been investigating it forever, literally all through 0:10:28.480 --> 0:10:32.080 the nineties, the two thousand's, the twenty tens and now, 0:10:32.440 --> 0:10:35.960 and he has been the guy that, as he put it, 0:10:36.200 --> 0:10:38.880 was racing the undertaker, and boy did he run a 0:10:38.920 --> 0:10:42.640 good race. Because between Don and his partners, they literally 0:10:42.679 --> 0:10:45.680 have turned up hundreds of witnesses to create what I 0:10:45.800 --> 0:10:48.480 call a mosaic that tells you what's really going on 0:10:48.720 --> 0:10:51.560 or what did go on and implied what's going on. 0:10:51.679 --> 0:10:55.080 So I interviewed Don late in twenty twenty five for 0:10:55.280 --> 0:10:57.760 Need to Know, and I asked him to tell the 0:10:57.800 --> 0:11:00.360 story in a minute, is what I said. Don give 0:11:00.400 --> 0:11:03.760 me Roswell in a minute. So I've got that queued 0:11:03.840 --> 0:11:05.440 up right now. Let's just take a look at that 0:11:05.720 --> 0:11:08.560 and then see if there's anything that we need to add. 0:11:11.160 --> 0:11:13.760 I need to quickly point out what was so important 0:11:13.760 --> 0:11:16.880 about New Mexico at the end of World War Two, 0:11:17.200 --> 0:11:21.240 and within just years thereafter first atomic bomb was detonated 0:11:21.360 --> 0:11:24.160 just two hours west of Roswell, you had all the 0:11:24.240 --> 0:11:27.199 testing that captured German Vy two rockets at the White 0:11:27.240 --> 0:11:30.520 Sands Proving Grounds just to the south of that area, 0:11:30.920 --> 0:11:35.120 had ongoing atomic research at Los Alamos, and in Roswell 0:11:35.120 --> 0:11:38.480 itself you had the Roso Army Airfield, which was the 0:11:38.520 --> 0:11:42.400 headquarters of the first atomic bomb squadron in the world. 0:11:43.040 --> 0:11:48.120 So it was the hotbed of military activity research testing 0:11:48.400 --> 0:11:51.839 in the world bar none at that time. According to 0:11:51.880 --> 0:11:55.079 Project Bluebook, there were more UFO sidings in New Mexico 0:11:55.120 --> 0:11:57.640 at that time than anywhere else in the world. And 0:11:57.720 --> 0:12:01.000 wouldn't you know that, on the late evening of July second, 0:12:01.320 --> 0:12:04.640 nineteen forty seven, something crashed in the high desert just 0:12:04.720 --> 0:12:10.880 sixty five miles northwest of Roswell. Rancher would notify the base. 0:12:11.320 --> 0:12:14.719 It was the colonel based Commander William Blanchard, who woul 0:12:14.720 --> 0:12:18.920 dispatched his two intel officers to check it out. Within days, 0:12:18.960 --> 0:12:20.920 they put out a press release that they had actually 0:12:20.960 --> 0:12:25.600 captured a flying saucer within five hours. Blanchard's boss, General 0:12:25.720 --> 0:12:30.120 Roger Rainey, explained it all away as just a conventional 0:12:30.360 --> 0:12:33.839 off the show weather balloon with the radar reflector kite. 0:12:34.000 --> 0:12:37.520 And it wasn't until thirty years later that the very 0:12:37.679 --> 0:12:41.640 intelligence officer who led the investigation who was first to 0:12:41.679 --> 0:12:46.679 go investigate the crash site. He was diagnosed with terminal episima, 0:12:47.040 --> 0:12:50.640 and he broke his security oath. He went public and said, quote, 0:12:51.000 --> 0:12:56.680 being familiar with all materials, both foreign and domestic, this 0:12:56.880 --> 0:13:00.400 was nothing made on this earth end quote. 0:13:00.800 --> 0:13:03.000 I'd love that. It's so unfair. It is not fair 0:13:03.080 --> 0:13:05.920 for me to say, hey, Don, you've been studying something 0:13:05.960 --> 0:13:09.679 for many, many decades, and you've interviewed six hundred witnesses 0:13:09.800 --> 0:13:12.640 or whatever, and now just boil it down to one minute. 0:13:12.679 --> 0:13:14.160 But I thought he did a pretty good job. 0:13:14.559 --> 0:13:17.880 That's a great recap, and hopefully anyone that hadn't heard 0:13:17.880 --> 0:13:20.640 about Roswell now has the primmer on which we can 0:13:20.640 --> 0:13:22.679 build the rest of this episode. 0:13:22.720 --> 0:13:24.800 I have a book of Don's under option. It's called 0:13:24.840 --> 0:13:27.800 Witness to Roswell, and I would urge people who would 0:13:27.840 --> 0:13:29.960 like to go a little deeper and say, I really 0:13:29.960 --> 0:13:32.240 want to know some of the details here that they 0:13:32.280 --> 0:13:35.320 probably do want to read Witness to Roswell by Don 0:13:35.360 --> 0:13:38.200 Schmidt and his partner Tom Carey, who did a really 0:13:38.200 --> 0:13:40.960 good job with it. Just one thing to add to that, 0:13:41.240 --> 0:13:44.320 because there's not a lot again, there are many more details. 0:13:44.360 --> 0:13:46.600 There's a lot of testimony. When I first went to 0:13:46.720 --> 0:13:50.000 Roswell over a decade ago, Don had invited me and 0:13:50.280 --> 0:13:52.960 I was a speaker there, and Don introduced me to 0:13:53.320 --> 0:13:56.160 Frankie Rowe, who at the time was a woman I 0:13:56.200 --> 0:13:59.160 believe in her sixties. She had been thirteen years old 0:13:59.200 --> 0:14:02.600 Brent when her father, who was a local Roswell fireman, 0:14:02.679 --> 0:14:05.679 came home from having gone to the site and let 0:14:05.720 --> 0:14:08.400 her play with some of the memory medal, So she 0:14:08.760 --> 0:14:12.920 was folding stuff up and releasing it and then capturing 0:14:13.400 --> 0:14:14.240 it and doing that. 0:14:14.320 --> 0:14:17.040 Let me just interject for anyone that doesn't know. The 0:14:17.080 --> 0:14:20.120 memory metal is what is purported to have been the 0:14:20.160 --> 0:14:23.640 material that the craft was made out of that crashed 0:14:23.840 --> 0:14:27.080 that the government later said was tinfoil, But in fact 0:14:27.240 --> 0:14:30.360 everyone that dealt with it, including this girl and Jesse 0:14:30.480 --> 0:14:33.800 Marcel and several others, said that it actually had a 0:14:33.880 --> 0:14:36.080 memory to it, so that when you crunched it up, 0:14:36.160 --> 0:14:38.920 it would immediately snap back to its original form. 0:14:39.200 --> 0:14:41.480 Let me put it this way, fireman and even a 0:14:41.520 --> 0:14:44.440 thirteen year old girl know the difference between tinfoil and 0:14:44.520 --> 0:14:48.560 something that's extraordinary. And certainly Jesse Marcel, who you mentioned 0:14:48.880 --> 0:14:52.520 was the intelligence officer at Roswell, who also showed some 0:14:52.560 --> 0:14:55.600 of it to his own son that first night. And 0:14:55.680 --> 0:14:58.320 in order to believe the weather balloon as an aside, 0:14:58.440 --> 0:15:01.760 you'd have to believe that Roswell, which as Don Schmid 0:15:01.840 --> 0:15:05.240 pointed out, was the only nuclear bomber base in the 0:15:05.280 --> 0:15:08.320 freaking world at the time, that the people who were 0:15:08.360 --> 0:15:11.440 in charge of intelligence at that base, which is the 0:15:11.480 --> 0:15:15.600 most important base in the world, couldn't tell the difference 0:15:15.640 --> 0:15:20.880 between a crashed interplanetary vehicle and a weather balloon, of 0:15:20.960 --> 0:15:24.120 which they launched them regularly. But I digress back to 0:15:24.480 --> 0:15:27.440 Frankie Rowe. She told me to my face this story. 0:15:27.520 --> 0:15:30.640 She's thirteen years old. She'd been playing with this memory 0:15:30.680 --> 0:15:33.520 metal at the fire station and they were at home 0:15:33.560 --> 0:15:36.520 having dinner, and some men showed up. They drive up 0:15:36.560 --> 0:15:38.920 in the car. You've seen scenes like that before, and 0:15:39.040 --> 0:15:41.960 these people take her parents to separate parts of the 0:15:42.000 --> 0:15:45.280 house and talk to them. And then the scariest guy 0:15:45.360 --> 0:15:47.040 I believe, she said, he was a guy that always 0:15:47.040 --> 0:15:51.400 wore sunglasses right, and he had those military aviators right, 0:15:51.800 --> 0:15:54.200 and he takes her aside. And I'm not going to 0:15:54.280 --> 0:15:56.040 quote the exact quote because I don't have it in 0:15:56.040 --> 0:15:58.640 front of me. But the essence was he said, listen, 0:15:58.680 --> 0:16:01.960 little girl, you're not going to talk to anybody about 0:16:02.000 --> 0:16:04.960 what you saw and what you did, because if you do, 0:16:05.280 --> 0:16:07.840 your body will end up in the desert and Wi'll 0:16:07.920 --> 0:16:11.520 just be bones scattered to the wind, and nobody will 0:16:11.520 --> 0:16:14.560 ever know what happened to you, not even your parents. Ooh, 0:16:15.360 --> 0:16:15.760 this is a. 0:16:15.760 --> 0:16:19.560 Thirteen year old girl. This man gave this threat to listen. 0:16:19.680 --> 0:16:21.720 Let me put it this way. Why would people do 0:16:21.800 --> 0:16:24.040 that about a weather balloon, even if it was a 0:16:24.120 --> 0:16:26.600 classified weather balloon. It's hard to imagine. 0:16:26.640 --> 0:16:29.800 I'm curious, though, Bryce, when you met her years later 0:16:29.880 --> 0:16:31.320 in Oswell, how old was she? 0:16:31.440 --> 0:16:33.840 I think, if you do the math, this is probably 0:16:33.880 --> 0:16:36.680 twenty ten and she was thirteen and forty seven. Now 0:16:36.680 --> 0:16:38.680 we're really going to test our math skills. 0:16:38.840 --> 0:16:41.920 I'm looking at you. She might have been in her seventies. Okay, 0:16:42.080 --> 0:16:43.880 here's my question. I don't know if you asked her this, 0:16:43.960 --> 0:16:47.200 But had she ever told anyone this before she told you? 0:16:47.760 --> 0:16:50.640 When did she start not worrying about being bones in 0:16:50.680 --> 0:16:51.080 the desert? 0:16:51.320 --> 0:16:54.120 Exactly? I can't claim that she told me first. I 0:16:54.240 --> 0:16:57.200 heard her story only because Don Schmid said, Bryce, come 0:16:57.200 --> 0:16:59.640 over here. You need to meet Frankie. Frankie, this is 0:16:59.680 --> 0:17:02.280 bryce she had started later in her life, as many 0:17:02.320 --> 0:17:04.600 of these people do, which is what Don Schmidt was 0:17:04.640 --> 0:17:08.199 saying in Racing the Entertaining People. You don't have to 0:17:08.280 --> 0:17:11.240 quite be on your deathbed to say, screw this. I 0:17:11.280 --> 0:17:14.560 am tired of living in fear and I'm going to 0:17:14.640 --> 0:17:17.600 get clear with my maker by telling the truth about 0:17:17.600 --> 0:17:20.959 this extraordinary thing that happened to me. And that seemed 0:17:20.960 --> 0:17:23.439 to be where she was. She was a fierce and 0:17:23.520 --> 0:17:26.640 tough woman. When I met her, I did say to her, 0:17:26.760 --> 0:17:29.199 are you concerned? So I did ask her kind of 0:17:29.240 --> 0:17:32.159 your question, and she said she basically said, no, I'm not. 0:17:32.320 --> 0:17:33.359 What are they going to do to me? 0:17:33.760 --> 0:17:36.560 Yeah? I share that feeling. You had some of those 0:17:36.560 --> 0:17:38.960 same qualms before we did this exactly. 0:17:39.160 --> 0:17:42.280 You do know that? And that is that a description 0:17:42.359 --> 0:17:45.200 that would match your own about your meeting with Harrington 0:17:45.240 --> 0:17:47.720 and how you had to keep that close for so 0:17:47.800 --> 0:17:49.159 many years. Yeah. 0:17:49.240 --> 0:17:51.840 I think there was always a fear that hung over 0:17:52.119 --> 0:17:56.040 ever going public. And it wasn't until I stopped worrying 0:17:56.080 --> 0:17:58.959 about death quite frankly, that I didn't care anymore, and 0:17:59.000 --> 0:18:02.040 I just felt that it is time to tell our stories. 0:18:02.200 --> 0:18:05.080 I'm glad they did. I'm glad all these witnesses have talked. 0:18:05.359 --> 0:18:08.520 And again, our podcast isn't about trying to prove Roswell 0:18:08.520 --> 0:18:10.800 to anybody. There's other podcasts that have tried to do that. 0:18:10.840 --> 0:18:13.400 We talk about film and TV and try to look 0:18:13.560 --> 0:18:16.800 into some of what has happened in the world like 0:18:16.840 --> 0:18:19.600 that and try to interpret it. We have to talk 0:18:19.840 --> 0:18:23.560 right now about what I think is the seminal film 0:18:23.640 --> 0:18:27.119 about Roswell that has been made to this point, and 0:18:27.160 --> 0:18:30.920 it's a movie that's called Oh wait, it's called Roswell. 0:18:31.200 --> 0:18:31.880 Yes it is. 0:18:32.160 --> 0:18:34.040 But one last thing I just want to put on 0:18:34.080 --> 0:18:36.439 the docket because I think it's going to inform some 0:18:36.520 --> 0:18:38.600 of what we're going to talk about with this movie, 0:18:38.680 --> 0:18:42.240 and that is that Roswell is generally considered ground zero 0:18:42.720 --> 0:18:46.199 for the UFO cover up, which is going on seventy 0:18:46.280 --> 0:18:48.760 nine years now. I think it's really interesting some of 0:18:48.800 --> 0:18:50.600 the things we're going to talk about, not just what's 0:18:50.640 --> 0:18:53.440 in the movie, but everything surrounding that movie as well. 0:18:53.720 --> 0:18:56.359 One of the great things about doing this podcast with you, Brent, 0:18:56.560 --> 0:18:59.600 is that we've said a general area we're going to 0:18:59.600 --> 0:19:02.840 talk about this, So in this case, we're saying, we're 0:19:02.840 --> 0:19:06.080 going to look into whether our JFK. Roswell connection actually 0:19:06.320 --> 0:19:08.480 could have been real, and it was out why they 0:19:08.480 --> 0:19:10.800 came to us, So you start to look into things. 0:19:10.880 --> 0:19:14.600 And I watched the Roswell movie back when it aired, 0:19:14.640 --> 0:19:17.160 and it was on Showtime back in nineteen ninety four, 0:19:17.400 --> 0:19:20.320 and I've seen it another time in between, and I 0:19:20.480 --> 0:19:23.520 watched it last week where I found a copy of 0:19:23.560 --> 0:19:26.920 it on YouTube. It's a powerful film and it has 0:19:26.960 --> 0:19:29.520 so many behind the scenes things. But just to give 0:19:29.520 --> 0:19:32.240 people what we say is the log line, there's many 0:19:32.280 --> 0:19:34.880 ways to describe the log line. Here's the shortest one 0:19:34.920 --> 0:19:38.040 I could figure out. In nineteen forty seven, Roswell, a 0:19:38.119 --> 0:19:43.360 military intelligence officer uncovers evidence of a crashed alien craft, 0:19:43.680 --> 0:19:46.760 only to be drawn into a sweeping government cover up 0:19:46.960 --> 0:19:48.920 that will haunt him for decades. 0:19:49.119 --> 0:19:53.200 That's a good description. We're talking about Jesse Marcel played 0:19:53.240 --> 0:19:55.000 by Kyle McLaughlin. 0:19:54.760 --> 0:19:58.240 Yes, of Twin Peaks, which, by the way, just before 0:19:58.280 --> 0:20:01.200 we get in and do the Roswell thing, we could 0:20:01.200 --> 0:20:04.679 have mentioned Twin Peaks when we were doing our lightning. 0:20:04.800 --> 0:20:07.960 That's kind of thing because Twin Peaks clearly has a 0:20:08.000 --> 0:20:11.879 lot to say about aliens or not even aliens, because 0:20:11.880 --> 0:20:14.680 in Twin Peaks, the mysterious force may not be alien 0:20:14.800 --> 0:20:15.200 at all. 0:20:15.400 --> 0:20:16.760 It's a non human intelligence. 0:20:16.840 --> 0:20:20.320 Yeah, it sounds like it's interdimensional. It's ancient, it's psychic, 0:20:20.640 --> 0:20:22.879 it's evil, and it's already here. And one thing I 0:20:22.920 --> 0:20:26.080 did find though, while we're researching it, they don't, specifically, 0:20:26.119 --> 0:20:30.000 the best of my knowledge, invoke Roswell in Twin Peaks. 0:20:30.160 --> 0:20:33.719 That's in the series. But Mark Frost, who I believe 0:20:33.800 --> 0:20:36.680 is the creator of co creator with co creator along 0:20:36.720 --> 0:20:40.439 with the peopleage, he wrote a book, The Secret History 0:20:40.440 --> 0:20:44.119 of Twin Peaks, and he does invoke it there. He 0:20:44.160 --> 0:20:48.919 does say that this Douglas Milford character was building a 0:20:48.960 --> 0:20:52.359 shadow blue book inside of Twin Peaks and it was 0:20:52.440 --> 0:20:55.320 based on Roswell. That kind of thing. So Roswell got 0:20:55.359 --> 0:20:59.200 its fair share of discussion then. But let's talk about 0:20:59.240 --> 0:21:02.600 that movie. You just saw it. Tell me your thoughts. 0:21:06.720 --> 0:21:09.520 I thought the recreation of the time period back in 0:21:09.520 --> 0:21:12.720 the forties was quite well done. I've always liked Kyle maclachan. 0:21:12.800 --> 0:21:15.119 I thought he was quite good overall. I really liked it. 0:21:15.160 --> 0:21:18.439 The writing, the direction, the production design, the acting. It 0:21:18.480 --> 0:21:21.720 was all top quality, and I think that what appealed 0:21:21.720 --> 0:21:24.600 to me most was that kind of emotional arc that 0:21:24.680 --> 0:21:27.760 Jesse Marcel had somebody who you know back in the 0:21:27.760 --> 0:21:32.080 forties was portrayed as a very solid and reliable intelligence 0:21:32.119 --> 0:21:35.399