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Speaker 3: Oh here we go.

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Speaker 1: It'll be a rambunctious Wednesday show.

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Speaker 3: We are live in Chicago. It's the Herd.

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Speaker 1: Wherever you may be, however you may be listening. Joel

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Speaker 1: cladd in one hour two try to unravel the twenty

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Speaker 1: twenty five latest edition of the College Football Playoff.

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Speaker 3: The twelve team Playoff. Now again.

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Speaker 1: You have an ACC championship game, an SEC championship game,

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Speaker 1: a big twelve championship game to be played. But I

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Speaker 1: just want to talk about this for a second. It's

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Speaker 1: so confusing. March Madness has sixty eight teams easier to

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Speaker 1: explain than this. I can explain over the next five

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Speaker 1: minutes the blockchain easier than I can The College Football Playoff.

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Speaker 1: Miami is ten and two, has beaten Notre Dame head

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Speaker 1: to head and they're not in the ACC title game.

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Speaker 1: You know who is seven and five, Duke, And if

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Speaker 1: Duke wins the ACC title game over Virginia, it blows

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Speaker 1: up the ACC and nobody gets.

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Speaker 3: In from the conference.

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Speaker 1: How do you how do you make a conference championship game?

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Speaker 3: And if you win it a heroic seven and five.

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Speaker 1: Teams in the ACC championship ten and two, Miami's not

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Speaker 1: and if Duke wins, nobody gets in from the ACC.

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Speaker 1: Basically what we learned yesterday. The committee said, Yeah, I know,

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Speaker 1: Miami that you beat Notre Dame, and I know that

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Speaker 1: you're ten and two and have impressive wins. You're not

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Speaker 3: That didn't impress us either.

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Speaker 1: Okay, this is a perfect time to go back to

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Speaker 1: my ten to twenty year rant on the ridiculousness of

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Speaker 1: college football. Eight billion dollar industry, no centralized figure, no ceo,

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Speaker 1: no Dana White is ridiculous. And whenever anybody says college

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Speaker 1: football is better than the NFL, no it's not. You

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Speaker 1: can't have a great movie with a bad ending. You

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Speaker 1: can't have a great movie with a bad ending. Once again,

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Speaker 1: we're left with this nebulous cloud trying to decipher what matters.

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Speaker 1: I thought scheduling big, tough road games matters. Yeah, Texas

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Speaker 1: Texas beat Oklahoma. That was a pretty big game. Texas

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Speaker 1: That doesn't matter because they lost to Ohio State. I

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Speaker 1: thought bad losses pun a well. Last year Notre Dame

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Speaker 1: made the Natty, they lost a Northern Illinois at home.

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Speaker 3: I mean, it's unbelievable. It's just unbelievable.

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Speaker 1: I mean, ask yourself, have you ever watched the NFL

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Speaker 1: playoffs and said, I like it, but I can't quite

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Speaker 3: We don't have to like it, but we know why.

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Speaker 1: Because they want a division and they're playing a team

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Speaker 1: But the simplest way to explain what happened last night,

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Speaker 1: and again we still have championship games to be played.

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Speaker 1: The simplest way to explain last night is Notre Dame

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Speaker 1: Texas and Miami have you know. I mean, Texas has

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Speaker 3: They just haven't. So it's funny.

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Speaker 1: In the last thirty years in college football, first we

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Speaker 1: arbitrary committee where it's math meets selective feelings. Again, whenever

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Speaker 1: Even the Lane Kiffinsaga they can't even get their calendar right.

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Speaker 1: I think Texas deserves a shot. I don't have a

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Speaker 1: That's why urban Meyer came on my show earlier this

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Speaker 3: I think the committee's got to go away.

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Speaker 4: You have Chris Fhlik, you got the Bear, you got

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Speaker 4: There's a bunch of national titles. Heisman's a bunch of

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Speaker 4: football guys. That's what they do. I mean, weird gam

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Speaker 4: go on Big Noon because everybody's.

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Speaker 3: Got and we can't agree. So how in the world are.

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Speaker 4: Athletic Director's Conference committe How are they coming up with

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Speaker 4: the conferences take care of it.

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Speaker 1: Uh, the ACC is this weird, convoluted Ponzi scheme. I'm

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Speaker 1: then everybody has to sit down and go this is ridiculous.

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Speaker 1: I mean it's been ridiculous forever. It used to be computers.

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Speaker 1: Now it's math and selective feelings. Take a deep breath.

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Speaker 1: We still have championship games coming up. Maybe it'll get better.

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Speaker 1: So Ben Roethlisberger, who carries a lot of weight with

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Speaker 1: the fans and the media and privately there is a discussion.

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Speaker 1: There's tension between Tomlin and the ownership. Here's Big Ben

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Speaker 5: It's being talked about around here a lot. Maybe it's time,

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Speaker 5: Maybe it's a clean house time. Maybe it is Maybe

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Speaker 5: it's time. And I like coach Tomlin. I have a

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Speaker 5: lot of respect coach Tomlin. But maybe it's best for

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Speaker 3: This is what I agree with. Big Ben's right.

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Speaker 1: Ask yourself this Sometimes people, I would include myself in this.

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Speaker 1: I like fresh starts. Some people have to be pushed

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Speaker 3: You need a fresh start.

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Speaker 1: You're kind of getting tired, you've lost your energy, and

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Speaker 1: It ends up being the greatest movie of your career.

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Speaker 1: I think that's what Mike Tomlin needs. Think about this.

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Speaker 1: Since Mike Tomlin's last playoff win, his last playoff win,

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Speaker 1: O Taani was still playing baseball in Japan. Sam Darnold

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Speaker 1: It was his first sea with the Warriors. Sean McVay

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Speaker 3: I mean, come on, it's time.

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Speaker 1: And I've said in my career I'm not out the

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Speaker 3: It's time.

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Speaker 1: I mean, this has been like a seven year leaky

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Speaker 1: ten for years. Aaron Rodgers, he'll save the day. Arthur Smith,

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Speaker 1: running through great receivers. NFL coach is not a Supreme

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Speaker 1: Court justice. It's not a lifetime appointment. Mike Tomlin is

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Speaker 1: not a college professor. He's not tenured. Whatever is happening

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Speaker 1: But what I know right now is this is a

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Speaker 1: seven to eight year leaky roof. Fix the roof. Stop

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Speaker 1: Steelers once again feel out of touch with the league

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Speaker 1: offensively and kind of outdated Defensively, old defensive coaches Belichick,

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Speaker 1: Lovey Smith. Those defensive coaches do not age as well

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Speaker 1: be more curious. They're play designers where you have to be.

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Speaker 1: Current defensive coaches tend to be about brute strength and aggressive,

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Speaker 1: Age well, but if Big Ben entered the fray, you

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Speaker 1: gotta take it seriously. J Mac, Joel kladd In one hour,

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Speaker 1: Albert Breer, Alexi Lawless. We're gonna have the World Cup

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Speaker 1: draw on Friday, which is gonna be unbelievable.

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Speaker 3: Can't wait for that? He can. I ask you real.

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Speaker 6: Quick about this Tomlin stuff, because I'm kind of on

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Speaker 6: the other side, Colin. I've seen some of these franchises.

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Speaker 6: You move off a good coach and it may take

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Speaker 6: we've seen this for quarterbacks. I mean, I hope you

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Speaker 7: We're done. You need a game plan. Who you got?

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Speaker 6: Give me five names you think we could realistically get

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Speaker 1: They would all be offensive. You know, Brian Dabele is

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Speaker 3: I mean to remember.

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Speaker 6: Firing Domlin to hire a guy who couldn't get his

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Speaker 1: Yeah, but New York's got worse ownership New York's front office.

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Speaker 1: Has Ben Wonky contextualize it. The Giants have run through everybody.

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Speaker 1: The Steelers generally aren't chaotic. They underperform, but they haven't

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Speaker 1: had a lose season in twenty one years. When's the

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Speaker 1: last time the Giants had a winning season. So Brian

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Speaker 1: Dabele would be I mean, Brian Dables won a playoff

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Speaker 1: Indiana or the Indianapolis Colts may regret now with the

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Speaker 1: Sauce Gardner move. So I Brian Dabele would be at

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Speaker 1: I Brian Daboles the obvious one to me that just

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Speaker 6: And do you think Tomlin goes back into coaching, because, yeah,

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Speaker 6: the Titans have an opening, the Jets could have an opening,

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Speaker 7: I think people would be really interested.

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Speaker 6: Tomlin's not quite in the Verbel Harbaugh boat, is he

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Speaker 6: of like that guy's gonna work? Remember those guys when

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Speaker 1: Let me throw this one out. Mike McCarthy, all he

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Speaker 1: Joel Klatt, who called Ohio State Michigan, he'll be calling

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Speaker 1: I don't know if that's how she we should measure greatness.

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Speaker 3: Like it's subjective.

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Speaker 9: And there's no way that you can rank the criteria,

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Speaker 9: The first one is head to head always, always, And

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Speaker 9: Wouldn't BYU almost assuredly just fall maybe one spot or

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Speaker 1: I listen, I you know me, I like big brands.

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Speaker 9: I think Texas is cooked. I don't see the way

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Speaker 1: Beat Oklahoma like a drum dominated, bandy dominated and they

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Speaker 9: These games are being devalued. There's no reason to protect those.

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Speaker 9: I think that we need to start talking about defining

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Speaker 9: Go play a football game for sixty minutes, and if

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Speaker 3: That's what I.

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Speaker 1: If I was commissioner, I would say head to head

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Speaker 9: I don't like this idea that we're just like selecting teams. Now,

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Speaker 9: certainly help. I would just rather put it on the field.

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Speaker 9: I would rather have a play in weekend. A play

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Speaker 3: Be two buys.

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Speaker 9: So you're really creating a top end incentive for those

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Speaker 1: going to get a really flat, uninspired Buckeye team this weekend?

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Speaker 9: I don't think so, because they've been business like the

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Speaker 9: entire year. It didn't matter if we saw them at

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Speaker 9: you know, I saw him play Rutgers, I saw him

440
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Speaker 9: play Illinois, and they were the same every single week.

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Speaker 9: And I feel like we're going to get the same

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Speaker 9: business like approach from the Buckeyes. Let's also keep in

443
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Speaker 9: mind this is a program. None of these players have

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Speaker 9: won a Big Ten title. This is not like old

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Speaker 9: hat for Ohio State. We might feel like that because

446
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Speaker 9: we've seen Ohio State of recent vintage, but this program

447
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Speaker 9: hasn't won a Big Ten title since twenty twenty. They're

448
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Speaker 9: gonna want to go out there and put their best

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Speaker 9: foot forward. There's also more on the line when you

450
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Speaker 9: think about the Heisman Trophy. Julian sayin is going to

451
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Speaker 9: have to play well in order to win the game,

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Speaker 9: in order to win the Heisman Trophy. So I still

453
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Speaker 9: think that there's a lot on the line. The number

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Speaker 9: one seed overall in the playoff is going to be beneficial.

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Speaker 9: You'd rather play the number four team in the country

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Speaker 9: in the semi final than the number two or three

457
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Speaker 9: team in the semi final. So all of those things

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Speaker 9: I think will be incentive for them to go put

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Speaker 9: their best foot forward.

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Speaker 3: Okay, let's get to Kiffin.

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Speaker 1: Listen, I've said, don't marry the rock star and be

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Speaker 1: shocked when he says, I got to go on tour

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Speaker 1: for a couple of months. Yeah, Ole Miss would have

464
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Speaker 1: signed up for where they're at today five years ago. Sure,

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Speaker 1: number one offense in the country eleven wins, but he's

466
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Speaker 1: going to burn you on the way out. Ole Miss

467
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Speaker 1: would have signed up for that. So I don't have

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Speaker 1: When you go into business or you go into a relationship,

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Speaker 1: as long as you get full disclosure, and there was

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Speaker 1: on Lane Kiffin, I don't have a lot of sympathy

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Speaker 1: for all Miss. They benefited just like everybody that hires

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Speaker 1: Lane does. Your offense gets better, you get talked about

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Speaker 1: there's controversy and social media. I mean, I guess the

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Speaker 1: whole thing doesn't bother me as much as it probably

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Speaker 1: bothers everybody else, does it? Well?

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Speaker 6: You, I just.

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Speaker 9: Everything that you said is correct, nothing you said is

478
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Speaker 9: wrong there. Yeah, I mean he's got the five messiest

479
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Speaker 9: exits in maybe football history. I mean, think about it,

480
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Speaker 9: Al Davis with the overhead projector you got the Tennessee debacle.

481
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Speaker 9: He's left on the tarmac and usc Saban told him

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Speaker 9: to chick Rocks before the National Championship game. And now

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Speaker 9: here at Old Miss. So everything that you're saying, yes,

484
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Speaker 9: if you're Old Miss again, Ole Miss, the program, the administration,

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Speaker 9: I'm sure that this is kind of like, yeah, maybe

486
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Speaker 9: this was always in the cards, or certainly we could

487
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Speaker 9: expect this. But I think of it not from the

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Speaker 9: Old Miss perspective, and I think of it from the

489
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Speaker 9: player's perspective. If you're one of those players and you're

490
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Speaker 9: sitting in the meetings in August in early September and

491
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Speaker 9: they're talking about team tea first and committing and let's

492
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Speaker 9: go achieve something and here are our team goals, well

493
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Speaker 9: he just left that team and they are going to

494
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Speaker 9: field spurred and trust me, Like you're seeing articles out

495
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Speaker 9: there where some of these players are are pushing back

496
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Speaker 9: on this narrative that Lane, you know, wanted to coach

497
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Speaker 9: and they wanted him to coach, and they're like, no,

498
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Speaker 9: you know, we feel pretty betrayed by Lane Kiffen and

499
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Speaker 9: rightly so, Listen, I don't begrudge this man his movement,

500
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Speaker 9: and he's going to go, and he thought LSU was

501
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Speaker 9: going to be a better opportunity for he and his family,

502
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Speaker 9: you know, more power to him, but that doesn't mean

503
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Speaker 9: that there are not consequences to those decisions. And he

504
00:25:35,280 --> 00:25:37,600
Speaker 9: did leave a team high and dry, and he left

505
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Speaker 9: those players high and dry. That's going to hurt his

506
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Speaker 9: credibility moving forward. And he also went to a place that,

507
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Speaker 9: let's face it is not as sound foundationally. They might

508
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Speaker 9: have more resources, but it's certainly a lot more crazy

509
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Speaker 9: at LSU. It's like, listen, you know, you can go

510
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Speaker 9: with a six to prom and that six is going

511
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Speaker 9: to be committed to you. You take the nine, she

512
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Speaker 9: might be great, all right, that's a good way to

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Speaker 9: put it.

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Speaker 1: Okay, you and I did not like Penn State. They

515
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Speaker 1: did not like you and I didn't like Penn State

516
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Speaker 1: abruptly canning James Franklin. Well, now what's happened is the

517
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Speaker 1: power brokers who run this sport, the agents are freezing

518
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Speaker 1: out Penn State and they have like the recruiting class

519
00:26:23,040 --> 00:26:26,960
Speaker 1: I'm surprised they haven't called me. They are not recruiting

520
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Speaker 1: anybody like like there, Montana is gonna have a better

521
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Speaker 1: recruiting classy than Penn State. So I what do you

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Speaker 1: think happens?

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Speaker 3: It's a good job.

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Speaker 9: It's a good job, but unfortunately for them, and then

525
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Speaker 9: I know that people involved it has been mismanaged. I

526
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Speaker 9: think that they had a plan when they fired James Franklin,

527
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Speaker 9: and I think that that plan involved Kurt Signetti, and

528
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Speaker 9: Kurt Signetty was like, Nope, that ain't that ain't my bag.

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Speaker 9: And once that happened, then they were behind the eight ball.

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Speaker 9: And now they've been gotten passed up by these other programs.

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Speaker 9: So I think here's the thing. I think that Penn

532
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Speaker 9: State went after Kloni Sataki pretty hard, and Crumble Cookie

533
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Speaker 9: came in and said, our cookies are delicious and they're

534
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Speaker 9: making a lot of money. And no, and if you

535
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Speaker 9: don't know that, the Crumble Cookie guy is a BYU guy,

536
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Speaker 9: and he came in with a lot of it. It's

537
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Speaker 9: a big meme and it's fantastic. So now I think

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Speaker 9: that there's probably a couple of guys that they're still

539
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Speaker 9: in talks with and trying to get. I think Brian

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Speaker 9: dave Ball is still in play. I think Jeff Brahm

541
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Speaker 9: at Louisville is still in play. And the fact that

542
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Speaker 9: it hasn't happened yet. And today, by the way, is

543
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Speaker 9: National Signing Day, Early signing day. Players can recruits can

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Speaker 9: sign to your school today. And Penn State doesn't have

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Speaker 9: a coach, which is wild. It speaks to the possible

546
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Speaker 9: mismanagement of what's going on, or at least it's going

547
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Speaker 9: off the rails, and they don't have a coach, which

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Speaker 9: also leads me to believe that something is up their sleeve. Colin,

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Speaker 9: I think that they are targeting a coach that is

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Speaker 9: still playing this week.

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Speaker 3: And if you just.

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Speaker 9: Go process of elimination, this is not information that I've

553
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Speaker 9: heard from anybody. If process of elimination, think, well, Kirby's

554
00:28:00,920 --> 00:28:03,960
Speaker 9: not going anywhere. Sotaki told him, no, Joey Maguire's not

555
00:28:04,040 --> 00:28:06,760
Speaker 9: going anywhere. Both guys in the American at two Lane

556
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Speaker 9: in North Texas. Some are all and Eric Morris they

557
00:28:09,520 --> 00:28:11,760
Speaker 9: already have a place to go. Is it Tony Elliott

558
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Speaker 9: at Virginia possibly, Manny Diaz at at Duke possibly? Or

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Speaker 9: is it Kaylin de Boor at Alabama? I think that

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Speaker 9: they might be going after a guy that is coaching

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Speaker 9: this week, which is why it's bleeding into the signing day.

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Speaker 3: Caitlin de Boor, by the way, is a Midwest guy, isn't.

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Speaker 9: He got has started in South Dakota. How about that again?

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Speaker 3: I haven't.

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Speaker 9: No one's told me that officially, but I if you

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Speaker 9: just play that out, like why do you not have

567
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Speaker 9: a coach yet? He's got to still be coaching? That's

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Speaker 9: that's pretty good closure right there. You just went Mariano

569
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Speaker 9: Rivera on us. That was a pretty good clothes right.

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Speaker 3: Cut her in on the hands.

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Speaker 1: Just okay, Well, I'm gonna enjoy the games you have Indiana,

572
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Speaker 1: Ohio State. I like Ohio State. Man.

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Speaker 3: You're getting good games. You love it.

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Speaker 1: Did you get a job promotion here at the company

575
00:29:11,960 --> 00:29:12,840
Speaker 1: they're giving you a good games?

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Speaker 3: No?

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Speaker 9: No, they said that I've been I've been doing a

578
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Speaker 9: good job on these hits. So this is its reward

579
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Speaker 9: for doing a good job here, Joe Clatt, good thing,

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Speaker 9: see you, brother.

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Speaker 2: Be sure to catch live editions of The Herd weekdays

582
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Speaker 2: and noon Eastern not a em Pacific.

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Speaker 6: It's a great time to be a soccer fan. On Friday,

584
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Speaker 6: it all kicks off with the FIFA World Cup Final

585
00:29:36,480 --> 00:29:40,680
Speaker 6: draw at eleven thirty am Eastern on Fox. Then on Saturday,

586
00:29:41,080 --> 00:29:45,120
Speaker 6: Messy and inter Miami square off against Vancouver for the

587
00:29:45,240 --> 00:29:49,240
Speaker 6: MLS Cup at two thirty pm Eastern, also on Fox.

588
00:29:50,640 --> 00:29:55,720
Speaker 3: Fired up for that Fired up for that draw. I

589
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Speaker 3: know you are well.

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Speaker 1: It's time for the Honorable Judge Cowhard presiding in the

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Speaker 1: court of my opinion today. You give me all the quarterbacks,

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Speaker 1: all the young quarterbacks in the league twenty twenty four class.

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Speaker 1: I am ready. Let's make judgments fire away, all.

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Speaker 6: Right, Do you accept the case that Caleb Williams is

595
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Speaker 6: a franchise quarterback?

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Speaker 4: Yes?

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Speaker 1: Let me direct your attention to Caleb's star witnesses, head

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Speaker 1: coach Ben Johnson. One of the best passers on third

599
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Speaker 1: down Thanks to Ben Johnson fourth highest touchdown interception ratio

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Speaker 1: thirty seven touchdown to eleven picks since he entered the league.

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Speaker 7: Yes, okay, Oh boy, what a lenient judge.

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Speaker 6: Do you accept the case that Jaden Daniels.

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Speaker 7: Is a franchise quarterback?

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Speaker 1: Now, everyone rise and raise your right hand for Jaden's

605
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Speaker 1: left elbow. Yes, listen, highest completion percentage by any rookie

606
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Speaker 1: quarterback ever. He is a highly mobile, highly accurate, highly coachable,

607
00:31:09,480 --> 00:31:12,920
Speaker 1: really bright kid who's injury prone.

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Speaker 3: The verdict is yes, he's a franchise guy.

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Speaker 6: I like how they got a photo of you smiling.

610
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Speaker 6: Judges should be serious. Do you accept the case that

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Speaker 6: Drake May is a franchise quarterback?

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Speaker 1: I would like to state for the record that Drake

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Speaker 1: May is arguably the best quarterback out of the twenty

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Speaker 1: twenty four draft class. Yes, on pace to be the

615
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Speaker 1: second youngest quarterback to lead the NFL in passer rating.

616
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Speaker 1: Who's number one, Dan Marino. Greatness in a league of

617
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Speaker 1: mediocrity is easy to spot.

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Speaker 3: Drake May is great.

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Speaker 7: Right now we get to the hard ones.

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Speaker 6: Colin, do you accept the case that Michael Pennix is

621
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Speaker 6: a franchise quarterback?

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Speaker 1: As your judge, you are instructed to disregard what you

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Speaker 1: saw at the University of War Washington. He just had

624
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Speaker 1: his third major knee surgery in his young career. No

625
00:32:06,080 --> 00:32:11,000
Speaker 1: is the answer. He is a pure pocket passer, I

626
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Speaker 1: said when he came out early injury would scare me

627
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Speaker 1: right now as wins are over. JJ McCarthy, Marcus Mariota,

628
00:32:17,720 --> 00:32:22,480
Speaker 1: and Drew Locke so far, No, not a franchise court.

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Speaker 7: Yeah, all right, I kind of agree. Do you accept

630
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Speaker 7: the case that J.

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Speaker 6: J McCarthy, after like seven starts is a franchise quarterback?

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Speaker 1: As I stated earlier, the evidence does not support any

633
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Speaker 1: argument that JJ is ready to start a franchise. That

634
00:32:38,040 --> 00:32:42,920
Speaker 1: my Kings have averaged seventeen points a game when he starts.

635
00:32:43,040 --> 00:32:48,080
Speaker 1: His completion percentage is rough fifty four percent. Passer rating

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Speaker 1: minimum hundred attempts, minimum one hundred and tenths fifty eight.

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Speaker 1: There's no evidence to support, as your judge, there is

638
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Speaker 1: no evidence to support he's a franchise quartervent.

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Speaker 5: All right?

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Speaker 6: Do you accept the case that bo Nicks is a

641
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Speaker 6: franchise quarterback?

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Speaker 1: Remember, J mac, we are all under oath to solemnly

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Speaker 1: swear that bow Nicks is ready to lead a franchise. Listen,

644
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Speaker 1: he leaves the NFL the last two years with eight

645
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Speaker 1: game winning drive There is an it quality to being

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Speaker 1: a franchise guy in this league. You can be great early,

647
00:33:21,640 --> 00:33:25,120
Speaker 1: but if you shrink late, No thanks. He can struggle early.

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Speaker 1: He and Caleb both can they rise late. That's a

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Speaker 1: franchise quarterback.

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Speaker 6: And finally, do you accept the case that Spencer Rattler

651
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Speaker 6: is a franchise quarterback?

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Speaker 1: Stating his full name for the record, Spencer Benson Rattler. No,

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Speaker 1: he is a backup quarterback. I mean, come on, he's

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Speaker 1: one in thirteen, twelve touchdowns, fifteen giveaways, and a passer

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Speaker 1: rating under Rady. He's talented. He reminds me of Drew Lock.

656
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Speaker 1: I can see the talent. I know he's got a

657
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Speaker 1: good arm. I know he moves. Okay, you gotta games,

658
00:34:00,720 --> 00:34:03,320
Speaker 1: got to make good decisions. You see who the Saints

659
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Speaker 1: replaced him with last week a couple of weeks ago.

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Speaker 6: Yeah, Tyler. Yeah, I forgot about Spencer Ratler honestly. But listen,

661
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Speaker 6: you're a lenient judge, Colin.

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Speaker 7: Let's be real.

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Speaker 6: It's a little early on Pennix and McCarthy given the injuries.

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Speaker 7: I mean, Pennis barely started last year.

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Speaker 1: I will say, of all these, I feel very strongly,

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Speaker 1: what's really the Michael Pennock's injury his third ye is.

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Speaker 1: So I think if you're Atlanta now you've got to

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Speaker 1: start drafting a backup quarterback because he has him an

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Speaker 1: elite and he can't stay healthy. I've said this with

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Speaker 1: JJ McCarthy. You would know if he could stay healthy,

671
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Speaker 1: if he was the guy by now. That's the worst part.

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00:34:45,320 --> 00:34:47,359
Speaker 1: You don't think he is, but you don't really know

673
00:34:47,440 --> 00:34:53,520
Speaker 1: because he's not available to start. Bonix and Caleb Williams

674
00:34:55,719 --> 00:34:59,040
Speaker 1: Boenix doesn't get sacked and he's durable. Caleb doesn't throw

675
00:34:59,120 --> 00:35:02,120
Speaker 1: picks and they're durable, and they're both great late. So

676
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Speaker 1: I don't expect everybody to be Drake May. I will say,

677
00:35:04,560 --> 00:35:06,200
Speaker 1: we talked about this yesterday. If you go back to

678
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Speaker 1: the last and I don't top of my head, thirty drafts,

679
00:35:10,800 --> 00:35:14,399
Speaker 1: you get one franchise quarterback, no doubt about it. Good

680
00:35:14,480 --> 00:35:16,640
Speaker 1: guy can make a Pro Bowl or two or three

681
00:35:16,760 --> 00:35:19,600
Speaker 1: or four. You get one franchise quarterback every draft. I

682
00:35:19,640 --> 00:35:22,359
Speaker 1: think quarterback plays better now in college you may get

683
00:35:22,360 --> 00:35:26,040
Speaker 1: two now, but you get a star about every four

684
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Speaker 1: to five years. You get a Drake may or you

685
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Speaker 1: I mean, Drake May is a star. Drake May is a.

686
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Speaker 1: They don't even have a good old line or a

687
00:35:33,960 --> 00:35:36,440
Speaker 1: good run game, and they maybe the number one seed

688
00:35:36,680 --> 00:35:40,520
Speaker 1: with Denver. You have a stack from Denver's roster Chicago's roster.

689
00:35:40,680 --> 00:35:43,879
Speaker 1: There's no holes, right, I mean like New England's roster.

690
00:35:44,040 --> 00:35:45,960
Speaker 1: I don't like their own line or their run game,

691
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Speaker 1: and they have no number one receiver. Drake may is

692
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Speaker 1: what you get every every fourth draft, like a star.

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Speaker 6: So I don't like to throw around franchise quarterback tag.

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Speaker 6: So I'll ask you, like, is Baker Mayfield the franchise

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00:35:59,040 --> 00:36:01,320
Speaker 6: quarterback He's on like his sixth team? Okay, Sam Donald,

696
00:36:01,360 --> 00:36:03,560
Speaker 6: I'm assuming you think is a franchise yes, okay, Well

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00:36:03,600 --> 00:36:05,880
Speaker 6: if that's the case, then yes, I will agree with

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Speaker 6: some of these colins.

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Speaker 7: But let me ask you about Bryce Young because last year,

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Speaker 7: if you had asked franchise, go at hell nough right, this.

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Speaker 6: Year you're like, I can see him being my quarterback

702
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Speaker 6: for the next two or.

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Speaker 1: Three Okay, So this is good. So you and I

704
00:36:18,280 --> 00:36:23,600
Speaker 1: have talked about this. Put it in context. Sam Darnold's

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00:36:23,600 --> 00:36:27,120
Speaker 1: a franchise quarterback at thirty three million a year, right, Yes,

706
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Speaker 1: that's Baker who can be reckless? Is a franchise quarterback

707
00:36:30,880 --> 00:36:33,600
Speaker 1: at thirty five million year. I would keep Bryce Young

708
00:36:33,640 --> 00:36:36,480
Speaker 1: at thirty three. I'm letting him go if the demand

709
00:36:36,520 --> 00:36:39,880
Speaker 1: is forty six. He is small, he can get banged up.

710
00:36:39,880 --> 00:36:41,520
Speaker 1: They have a pretty good run game right now, so

711
00:36:41,560 --> 00:36:44,120
Speaker 1: he's got a very good offensive coach Dave Kanalis, and

712
00:36:44,239 --> 00:36:48,200
Speaker 1: the Panthers have two running backs, Chuba Hubbard and Rico Dawdle.

713
00:36:48,840 --> 00:36:52,160
Speaker 1: Those are good players, and they have upgraded their defense.

714
00:36:52,200 --> 00:36:54,800
Speaker 1: I think Dan Morgan's actually a really sharp former player,

715
00:36:54,880 --> 00:36:56,680
Speaker 1: really sharp GM. The guys in the league I know,

716
00:36:56,760 --> 00:36:59,080
Speaker 1: really like Dan Morgan. I think Canalis is good. Now,

717
00:36:59,120 --> 00:37:01,759
Speaker 1: I'm not blame. I'm not saying that Bryce Young's only

718
00:37:01,800 --> 00:37:04,160
Speaker 1: good because of them, because nobody's good with bad gms

719
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Speaker 1: and bad coaches. I think Bryce Young is one of

720
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Speaker 1: those guys like I like Bryce Young. I think he

721
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Speaker 1: has more talent than Daniel Jones. Daniel's bigger, OK. I

722
00:37:14,280 --> 00:37:16,160
Speaker 1: think Daniel's got a better arm and is bigger. I

723
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Speaker 1: think I think Bryce Young's more talented. I think he's

724
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Speaker 1: got I think he's just more efficient, more accurate. So

725
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Speaker 1: I think there's those guys like Daniel Jones and Bryce Young.

726
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Speaker 1: I think they're franchise quarterback. The number has to be

727
00:37:30,280 --> 00:37:32,279
Speaker 1: in the thirties. And then you have to be like,

728
00:37:32,719 --> 00:37:35,359
Speaker 1: you know, nine to twelve percent of the salary cap.

729
00:37:35,440 --> 00:37:36,800
Speaker 1: You can't be twenty six percent.

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Speaker 3: Colin, You're right.

731
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Speaker 6: So maybe we need new a new label from franchise

732
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Speaker 6: quarterback well thirty five mil versus dak because if you

733
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Speaker 6: look at the AFC standings, college take look the playoff teams,

734
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Speaker 6: look at all the top teams. Tell me what you

735
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Speaker 6: one of those guys are franchise quarterback because Bo Nicks

736
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Speaker 6: and Drake may top two seeds rookie quarterback deal. They're

737
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Speaker 6: franchise quarterbacks on a rookie deal. Like Trevor Laura hasn't

738
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Speaker 6: totally kicked in. Lamar Jackson's barely in there. They're paying

739
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Speaker 6: Lamar Herbert rookie deal, Daniel Jones small deal. Look who's

740
00:38:07,719 --> 00:38:11,359
Speaker 6: on the outside, Patrick Mahomes, you got Pamela Joe Burrow.

741
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Speaker 6: I know he's been hurt, but franchise quarterback money matters.

742
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Speaker 7: I don't know how we re.

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Speaker 1: I think there's three kind of quarterbacks in the NFL

744
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Speaker 1: franchise bridge and backup.

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Speaker 3: On the bridge.

746
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Speaker 1: I think Bryce Young is a guy that you get

747
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Speaker 1: a favorable deal on and then you start drafting quarterbacks

748
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Speaker 1: from the third and fourth round because he's injury prone,

749
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Speaker 1: and you just every.

750
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Speaker 3: Other year, let's just draft a quarterback.

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Speaker 6: Now.

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Speaker 1: I used to think that about Dak and it takes

753
00:38:41,719 --> 00:38:43,600
Speaker 1: a while. Now Dak's in his tenth year and he's

754
00:38:43,640 --> 00:38:46,360
Speaker 1: literally as good as anybody in the league this year, consistently,

755
00:38:46,360 --> 00:38:49,440
Speaker 1: he and Stafford. So I think it's hard. Quarterback's the

756
00:38:49,480 --> 00:38:51,719
Speaker 1: hardest position. I mean, if you go look at the

757
00:38:51,760 --> 00:38:55,400
Speaker 1: thirty best offensive tackles in league history, twenty seven are

758
00:38:55,480 --> 00:38:58,600
Speaker 1: drafted in the first round. Most of your great edge

759
00:38:58,680 --> 00:39:01,960
Speaker 1: rushers and defensive tackles first round. But there are positions

760
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Speaker 1: like quarterback where Dak fourth round. I mean, just start

761
00:39:07,360 --> 00:39:10,600
Speaker 1: start looking around. Jalen Hurt, second round, Baker third or

762
00:39:10,640 --> 00:39:13,359
Speaker 1: fourth team. Sam Darnold the world gave up on him,

763
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Speaker 1: brought pretty seventh round.

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Speaker 3: So it's it's it's not easy.

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Speaker 1: Quarterback is leadership and toughness and guile and and pre snap.

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Speaker 1: It's a really hard position. There are three categories. You're

767
00:39:24,239 --> 00:39:29,560
Speaker 1: a franchise guy Justin Herbert, You're a bridge guy Jacoby Brissett,

768
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Speaker 1: and then you're a backup whoever you want to. You know,

769
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Speaker 1: Zach Wilson, You know, I think the tough one is

770
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Speaker 1: when you get a Bryce Young and you're like, all right,

771
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Speaker 1: we like him. He falls in the Baker class. I'm

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Speaker 1: not paying him forty nine fifty four million a year,

773
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Speaker 1: but I'll.

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Speaker 3: Be honest with three he's good.

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Speaker 6: Colin Drake may fifty mil. They're gonna be fine. Oh hell,

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Speaker 6: I'll be dead serious. I don't think you can pay

777
00:39:52,640 --> 00:39:55,400
Speaker 6: bo Nick's fifty million dollars a year. Let's get expect

778
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Speaker 6: Denver to compete. Yeah, I don't think you can.

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Speaker 1: Let's let's give him another ten to fifteen starts. Let's

780
00:39:59,760 --> 00:40:03,480
Speaker 1: give Caleb another ten to fifteen starts. I do think Caleb,

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Speaker 1: if you're talking, if you're telling me, he's going to

782
00:40:05,800 --> 00:40:08,960
Speaker 1: complete fifty eight percent of his throws at some point

783
00:40:09,680 --> 00:40:11,960
Speaker 1: if you pay him. I mean, if they paid Caleb

784
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Speaker 1: Williams this season. Could you keep Joe Tooney? Could you

785
00:40:15,000 --> 00:40:15,879
Speaker 1: keep DJ Moore?

786
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Speaker 6: Could you?

787
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Speaker 3: I mean you couldn't. Could you keep Jalen Johnson