WEBVTT - Feed Drop: Hype Women with Emily Tisch Sussman 0:00:05.400 --> 0:00:08.840 Welcome back to She Pivots. I'm your host, Emily Tish Sussman. 0:00:09.680 --> 0:00:13.080 This week, we're doing things a little differently. It's spring 0:00:13.160 --> 0:00:15.720 break for many of us parents, so as I'm currently 0:00:15.800 --> 0:00:19.360 juggling entertaining three children, I wanted to share my episode 0:00:19.360 --> 0:00:23.040 on a hype Woman, a podcast hosted by the magnificent 0:00:23.120 --> 0:00:26.520 original hype Woman Aaron Gallagher. I'm dropping in the full 0:00:26.560 --> 0:00:29.040 episode here, but you can also listen to it over 0:00:29.080 --> 0:00:31.840 on her Hype Woman podcast feed, where you can listen 0:00:31.880 --> 0:00:35.440 to more inspiring women like White House Press Secretary Karine 0:00:35.479 --> 0:00:39.159 John Pierre and of course she Pivots Daves Daisy London. 0:00:39.960 --> 0:00:42.800 In full transparency, I'm both a little excited and a 0:00:42.840 --> 0:00:46.400 little nervous to share this episode. I've become so comfortable 0:00:46.440 --> 0:00:48.360 on the other side of the aisle as the interviewer, 0:00:48.800 --> 0:00:52.080 it feels vulnerable to share me as the guest. But 0:00:52.159 --> 0:00:54.840 I hope you truly enjoyed this episode as much as 0:00:54.880 --> 0:00:58.240 I enjoyed doing it. Aarin has an amazing ability to 0:00:58.320 --> 0:01:02.120 allow her guests to speak honestly and truly hypes them up. 0:01:02.640 --> 0:01:05.760 Be sure to follow Aaron at we Underscore Hype Women 0:01:05.800 --> 0:01:21.160 on Instagram and check out her prolific LinkedIn enjoy. I 0:01:21.200 --> 0:01:25.440 think that one of the real framing mindsets for me 0:01:25.560 --> 0:01:27.920 and why I go so hard into everything that I do, 0:01:28.920 --> 0:01:30.640 It's because I do still always feel like I have 0:01:30.680 --> 0:01:32.039 to prove myself. I feel like I had to prove 0:01:32.080 --> 0:01:33.800 myself for a long time. I come from a very 0:01:33.800 --> 0:01:35.640 prominent New York family, and so people had a lot 0:01:35.640 --> 0:01:38.280 of presumptions about me. Now, I think we'd call it 0:01:38.319 --> 0:01:43.760 nepo babies, but they presumed that I didn't earn what 0:01:43.920 --> 0:01:46.880 I achieved, and for a long time, I didn't feel 0:01:46.880 --> 0:01:49.400 like I deserved most of it. That you know, I 0:01:49.400 --> 0:01:52.400 had a hard time in school. I had very little 0:01:52.960 --> 0:01:57.200 impulse control in talking in particular what was a big surprise, 0:01:57.640 --> 0:01:59.440 But so I didn't do that well, Like I didn't 0:01:59.480 --> 0:02:01.840 fit in, and so therefore I felt like I wasn't 0:02:01.880 --> 0:02:04.520 living up to the expectations of my family. I wasn't 0:02:04.560 --> 0:02:08.000 living up to the expectations of the city around me 0:02:08.040 --> 0:02:10.320 and everyone I came in contact with, and so I 0:02:10.360 --> 0:02:12.800 was really rebellious because if I couldn't fit in, then 0:02:12.800 --> 0:02:14.040 I had to rebel against it. 0:02:15.520 --> 0:02:20.560 Well, well, well, here we are episode number Lucky thirteen, 0:02:21.360 --> 0:02:25.280 and this one My Friends is a real gem. I 0:02:25.320 --> 0:02:28.640 always listen to our episodes three or more times before 0:02:28.680 --> 0:02:32.760 I write the intros, and on this one, I was 0:02:33.280 --> 0:02:38.000 cackling out loud each and every time I listened. There 0:02:38.200 --> 0:02:43.880 is no one like Emily Tish Sussman, no one. She 0:02:44.040 --> 0:02:49.200 is brilliant in all the ways street smart, book smart, style, smart, 0:02:49.800 --> 0:02:53.280 whip smart. Every time I'm in her presence, I learn 0:02:53.400 --> 0:02:57.320 more about the world and about myself, and I hope 0:02:57.400 --> 0:03:01.680 you experience the same as you listen to this conversation today. 0:03:02.280 --> 0:03:05.000 Emm and I talk a lot about her journey navigating 0:03:05.000 --> 0:03:08.919 her identity as a woman, as a political commentator, as 0:03:08.919 --> 0:03:12.600 a lawyer, as a mother of three, as a podcast host, 0:03:13.680 --> 0:03:17.600 a media mogul, an owner of professional women's soccer team, 0:03:17.760 --> 0:03:21.280 the New York New Jersey Gotham FC, as a member 0:03:21.400 --> 0:03:24.880 of a prominent New York family have you heard of 0:03:24.880 --> 0:03:28.680 the New York Giants. Emma has been underestimated at different 0:03:28.720 --> 0:03:33.800 points throughout her life, and her response to this she 0:03:33.919 --> 0:03:40.760 committed herself to being serious and taken seriously. So I 0:03:40.760 --> 0:03:43.800 want to talk about the definition of serious. It's defined 0:03:43.960 --> 0:03:51.760 in multiple ways. First, it's demanding careful consideration or application next, 0:03:52.360 --> 0:03:56.560 acting or speaking sincerely and in earnest rather than in 0:03:56.600 --> 0:04:02.320 a joking or half hearted manner, Significant or worrying because 0:04:02.400 --> 0:04:07.400 of possible danger or risk. And lastly, substantial in terms 0:04:07.400 --> 0:04:09.040 of size, number, and quality. 0:04:10.400 --> 0:04:12.160 But when you think about how. 0:04:12.000 --> 0:04:15.800 So many of us shapeshift to fit inside of a serious. 0:04:15.320 --> 0:04:18.640 Box, it's limiting. 0:04:19.360 --> 0:04:23.400 And for em that box could not contain her light. 0:04:24.000 --> 0:04:28.159 So as she made herself smaller, more serious, and took 0:04:28.200 --> 0:04:34.280 away the beauty that is who Emma is, she began 0:04:34.320 --> 0:04:38.559 to lose herself. And it got me thinking, are being 0:04:38.839 --> 0:04:43.320 serious and being taken seriously the same thing? 0:04:45.000 --> 0:04:50.640 Let's find out. I mean, it's gonna be It's gonna 0:04:50.640 --> 0:04:53.760 be one for the books today, Isn't that right? Isn't 0:04:53.760 --> 0:04:56.960 that right? Miss Emily Tish Susman. 0:04:57.120 --> 0:04:59.920 I can I feel like I have no idea where 0:05:00.000 --> 0:05:01.640 this is going to go, but it's we're going to 0:05:01.720 --> 0:05:02.880 make magic, that is. 0:05:03.040 --> 0:05:05.840 I think that's kind of the story of our friendship 0:05:06.320 --> 0:05:09.000 is we don't know what's going to happen. Neither one 0:05:09.000 --> 0:05:13.080 of us have the gene of embarrassment or overthinking behavior 0:05:13.160 --> 0:05:17.600 before doing it, and so it is always entertaining. Sometimes 0:05:17.960 --> 0:05:22.479 a cleanup that needs to happen. But like, but if 0:05:22.480 --> 0:05:25.120 nothing else, the most authentic and vulnerable. 0:05:24.880 --> 0:05:27.840 Right, one hundred percent. Like I feel like it didn't 0:05:27.880 --> 0:05:31.080 necessarily serve me that well early in life, but now 0:05:31.520 --> 0:05:32.200 I'm thriving. 0:05:32.600 --> 0:05:35.279 I mean, and I think that's this is the journey 0:05:35.320 --> 0:05:37.800 that we really want to we want to uncover and 0:05:38.120 --> 0:05:40.920 sort of go on with you today. And I'm just 0:05:41.000 --> 0:05:44.560 I'm deeply grateful that we're here together. And as em 0:05:44.560 --> 0:05:47.040 and I just said before we started, we wanted to 0:05:47.080 --> 0:05:50.240 just get going because we would probably shoot the shit 0:05:50.279 --> 0:05:52.839 for too long and we would maybe miss some of 0:05:53.160 --> 0:05:56.159 what the hilarity that will ensue over the course of 0:05:56.160 --> 0:05:57.360 this conversation. 0:05:57.360 --> 0:05:59.520 Like we could literally never stop talking between the two 0:05:59.520 --> 0:06:00.880 of us week, we could. 0:06:00.760 --> 0:06:03.080 Luckily never stop talking, right. And you know, we have 0:06:03.200 --> 0:06:04.240 this really. 0:06:04.000 --> 0:06:09.719 Interesting background that we didn't know was in common until 0:06:09.720 --> 0:06:12.720 we were on a panel together for International Women's Day 0:06:12.920 --> 0:06:16.919 last year, where afterwards you came up to me and said, 0:06:17.200 --> 0:06:19.159 you know, my team pulled together the bios of the 0:06:19.200 --> 0:06:20.919 other panelists just so I could have a little bit 0:06:20.960 --> 0:06:22.960 of framework of what they were all about. And I 0:06:23.160 --> 0:06:27.080 thought they had incorrectly copied my bio into yours. 0:06:27.880 --> 0:06:29.640 And the reason for that is one. 0:06:30.440 --> 0:06:33.880 And I was like, I was like, pull it together, ladies, sloppy, 0:06:34.080 --> 0:06:38.040 you put my bio in for the game. Clappy, sloppy ladies. 0:06:37.800 --> 0:06:41.479 Because never ever have I ever come across another person 0:06:42.240 --> 0:06:45.159 without it being at an event or at our former 0:06:45.200 --> 0:06:49.640 workplace that has also worked at SLDN. And for anyone 0:06:49.640 --> 0:06:52.119 who doesn't know what SLDN is, it is Service Members 0:06:52.200 --> 0:06:55.080 Legal Defense Network. Entire mission was to lift the ban 0:06:55.160 --> 0:06:58.320 on gays in the military, which we ultimately did, and 0:06:58.400 --> 0:07:00.720 EM and I were both there at different times but 0:07:01.040 --> 0:07:03.599 truly formative years of our career. 0:07:04.520 --> 0:07:06.960 Yeah. Absolutely, I mean it was my first job after 0:07:07.040 --> 0:07:09.880 law school. It was my first job after the Obama campaign. 0:07:09.920 --> 0:07:12.560 It was my first job in Washington working in policy advocacy. 0:07:12.880 --> 0:07:14.240 And I knew at the time like I'd never have 0:07:14.280 --> 0:07:15.840 a better job, and I still feel that way that, 0:07:15.920 --> 0:07:17.840 like I'll never have a better job, like to be able. 0:07:18.280 --> 0:07:21.600 Rarely can you be both the direct services, like the 0:07:21.640 --> 0:07:27.240 actual attorneys of people who are impacted, and also be 0:07:27.320 --> 0:07:29.840 working on policy change, like it often doesn't happen in 0:07:29.920 --> 0:07:33.440 the same organization, just the way that organizations are set up. 0:07:33.680 --> 0:07:35.400 And we really did it there, like we were so 0:07:35.480 --> 0:07:37.960 close to the service members who were discharged, and we 0:07:38.040 --> 0:07:40.280 really made impact in the law. So I like for 0:07:40.360 --> 0:07:42.640 that reason, like I could have never had a better 0:07:42.720 --> 0:07:44.160 job and never had a better experience. 0:07:44.720 --> 0:07:45.720 It is so true. 0:07:46.080 --> 0:07:49.720 Is it is such a small, scrappy organization that did 0:07:49.760 --> 0:07:53.520 it all. And you know, you came in past law school. 0:07:53.520 --> 0:07:57.240 And so we're serving as legal aid for service members 0:07:57.240 --> 0:08:01.560 who are either currently still inside of the military and 0:08:01.640 --> 0:08:04.720 were seeking counsel because they were worried about their safety, 0:08:04.760 --> 0:08:07.720 they were worried about their career, or they had already. 0:08:07.360 --> 0:08:09.520 Exited and they needed to get some counsel on what was. 0:08:09.480 --> 0:08:12.320 Best, the best way forward. I this was my first 0:08:12.400 --> 0:08:14.840 job after college. I thought I wanted to be a lawyer, 0:08:15.360 --> 0:08:17.080 and all of my friends there were a year ahead 0:08:17.280 --> 0:08:19.560 said work at a law firm for at least a 0:08:19.640 --> 0:08:21.320 year instead of going straight to law school. 0:08:21.480 --> 0:08:24.000 So I was so lucky to land this gig. 0:08:24.760 --> 0:08:26.360 A connection because my mom was in the Coast Guard 0:08:26.360 --> 0:08:28.280 for twenty five years and so we had a connection 0:08:28.440 --> 0:08:30.240 to a board member who was there, and. 0:08:30.120 --> 0:08:31.600 They gave me a shot. 0:08:32.080 --> 0:08:36.520 I was the intake person, so I was the first 0:08:36.559 --> 0:08:39.840 sort of line of receiving the call from the service 0:08:39.880 --> 0:08:42.400 member and getting an understanding of what was happening for them, 0:08:42.480 --> 0:08:44.880 and then I passed them off to your brilliance and 0:08:44.920 --> 0:08:47.640 the brilliance of other lawyers there who could really help 0:08:47.679 --> 0:08:48.800 them navigate the system. 0:08:49.480 --> 0:08:50.760 But you're right, it's. 0:08:50.800 --> 0:08:53.000 Never like I have up on my wall like the 0:08:54.000 --> 0:08:56.800 sort of going away note that they gave me and 0:08:57.640 --> 0:09:00.400 like never never a better job. So I just I 0:09:00.440 --> 0:09:01.800 love that we have that in common. 0:09:02.320 --> 0:09:04.839 Yeah, it was so scrappy. I feel like I didn't 0:09:04.880 --> 0:09:08.720 know that that organizations and offices could actually be that scrappy. 0:09:08.760 --> 0:09:11.280 And like all of our furniture had been donated, so 0:09:11.320 --> 0:09:13.520 I don't. Do you remember the conference room? This was 0:09:13.559 --> 0:09:15.960 my favorite thing that the conference The table in the 0:09:16.000 --> 0:09:18.320 conference room was as big that we said like one 0:09:18.360 --> 0:09:21.120 hundred times a day it had been sawed in half 0:09:21.200 --> 0:09:23.440 to get through the door. Yes, and so it was 0:09:23.480 --> 0:09:26.720 just like an open conference table with like a big 0:09:26.800 --> 0:09:30.319 saw in the middle and like from the bottom, yes. 0:09:30.600 --> 0:09:33.760 Right, and it's like and and it was so big 0:09:33.800 --> 0:09:35.880 that you almost like had to slide in to just 0:09:35.880 --> 0:09:38.480 get into the room. Because again, this wasn't this isn't 0:09:38.520 --> 0:09:40.160 like in a space where a designer comes in and 0:09:40.160 --> 0:09:43.480 goes okay, what's the ideal you know, size table for 0:09:43.559 --> 0:09:46.320 this room. It's like, no, no, here's the table and 0:09:46.360 --> 0:09:48.160 the room and they both have to work. And so 0:09:48.200 --> 0:09:50.200 if it means cutting it off in the middle, we 0:09:50.280 --> 0:09:53.079 do it. That is what it is to be an entrepreneur. 0:09:53.120 --> 0:09:54.679 It is what it is to be sort of scrappy 0:09:54.679 --> 0:09:57.840 and to have a mission that you don't let anything 0:09:57.840 --> 0:10:00.280 get in the way of. Yeah, so what I would 0:10:00.280 --> 0:10:03.400 love to do to start off is to read. 0:10:03.559 --> 0:10:05.439 Your Hype Women headline. 0:10:05.600 --> 0:10:09.520 And this is my attempt to synopsize in two sentences, 0:10:09.520 --> 0:10:11.960 which is really difficult because of the impact that you've 0:10:12.000 --> 0:10:14.680 had over the course of your career in life, who 0:10:14.720 --> 0:10:17.720 you are, what you're about, what the world knows you as, 0:10:18.080 --> 0:10:20.000 and what I want you to do, because I think 0:10:20.040 --> 0:10:22.360 it's really difficult when you are a person like you are, 0:10:22.480 --> 0:10:25.920 who is involved in so much, who cares so deeply, 0:10:26.040 --> 0:10:30.360 who is ambitious, You're constantly moving, You're constantly onto the 0:10:30.400 --> 0:10:33.240 next thing. I want you to really use the thirty 0:10:33.280 --> 0:10:38.120 seconds of me reading this to hear what you've done, 0:10:38.360 --> 0:10:40.960 to take it in, and then we're going to talk 0:10:41.040 --> 0:10:42.360 about the subtext. 0:10:43.160 --> 0:10:45.160 Okay, okay, all right, here we go. 0:10:46.120 --> 0:10:50.480 Emily Tish Susman is a purple haired unicorn, the creator 0:10:50.600 --> 0:10:54.120 and host of the award winning podcast She Pivots. A 0:10:54.200 --> 0:10:59.880 Tony nominated producer, a Marie Claire contributor, a Democratic political strategist, 0:11:00.240 --> 0:11:03.440 member of the New York Bar and co owner of 0:11:03.559 --> 0:11:07.760 Gotham FC, the twenty twenty three National Women's Soccer League champions. 0:11:08.240 --> 0:11:11.959 End of Sentence one, Sentence two. A mother of three, 0:11:12.320 --> 0:11:15.560 and former VP of Campaigns at the largest Democratic think 0:11:15.600 --> 0:11:19.240 tank in Washington, d C. Emily has produced Broadway hits, 0:11:19.240 --> 0:11:22.640 including Shucked and How To Dance in Ohio. Is a 0:11:22.640 --> 0:11:25.839 founding member of her local Mom's Demand Action Chapter. Has 0:11:25.880 --> 0:11:29.600 served on the board of the Ethical Culture Fieldstone School 0:11:29.720 --> 0:11:31.880 and the Raw School. Is a member of the Artist 0:11:31.960 --> 0:11:34.800 Council at the Whitney Museum of American Art. 0:11:35.120 --> 0:11:38.040 And the Director Circle at the Church. 0:11:39.280 --> 0:11:39.520 Yeah. 0:11:40.040 --> 0:11:41.560 If I looked at this, I would have been like, 0:11:41.600 --> 0:11:44.480 why'd you put six people's bios into one? 0:11:44.720 --> 0:11:49.360 And is like, no, no, no, that's all accurate. M 0:11:50.760 --> 0:11:53.000 What is happening here? What's happening here? 0:11:53.160 --> 0:11:55.400 Yeah, when you read all like that, it does feel 0:11:55.440 --> 0:12:00.360 overwhelming a little, Yeah, it does feel overwhelming, but yeah, 0:12:00.360 --> 0:12:01.680 I mean I think it's because I kind of go 0:12:01.800 --> 0:12:05.360 all in when I do something, like it's just I 0:12:05.440 --> 0:12:07.800 drink a lot of coffee, that is for sure, yep. 0:12:08.240 --> 0:12:11.120 But you know, when I do something, I go really 0:12:11.280 --> 0:12:14.520 really hard on it, and I feel like I can't 0:12:14.520 --> 0:12:17.200 do it halfway. So if we're going to do it 0:12:17.280 --> 0:12:21.600 like we're fucking doing it, We're fucking doing it. Yeah. 0:12:21.679 --> 0:12:26.200 It is such an interesting mix though, right that your interests, 0:12:26.400 --> 0:12:28.400 your skill set. 0:12:28.400 --> 0:12:31.199 Your true brilliance. 0:12:31.800 --> 0:12:35.480 It really spans very different sectors that most people would 0:12:35.559 --> 0:12:38.560 pick a lane and kind of stay in that one, 0:12:39.080 --> 0:12:41.520 whereas I, like I wrote down, I was like, maybe 0:12:41.520 --> 0:12:43.359 this is your memoir women. 0:12:43.320 --> 0:12:44.960 Aren't politics and purple hair? 0:12:45.280 --> 0:12:47.360 You know, because like, and the reason I'm talking about 0:12:47.360 --> 0:12:48.680 the purple hair is because you want do. 0:12:48.679 --> 0:12:50.840 You want to know what my Real Housewives tagline would be? 0:12:51.200 --> 0:12:52.240 Yeah? 0:12:52.720 --> 0:12:56.360 I do? Wait wait is it? Oh okay, I might 0:12:56.440 --> 0:12:58.960 be left, but I'm always right. 0:13:02.240 --> 0:13:05.040 Oh yeah, yeah, so good. 0:13:05.760 --> 0:13:06.840 That'll be my replacement. 0:13:06.920 --> 0:13:08.280 Now okay, that's good. 0:13:08.360 --> 0:13:10.439 And also I will make that sure and have it 0:13:10.520 --> 0:13:12.600 up by the end of day, so incredible. We can 0:13:12.679 --> 0:13:14.120 make sure, we can make sure that that is in 0:13:14.160 --> 0:13:16.760 the hands of people. No, that's that is that is 0:13:16.800 --> 0:13:20.120 so good and so right that but again, when you 0:13:20.160 --> 0:13:27.160 think about those categories, right, politics, women aren't just true 0:13:27.320 --> 0:13:29.760 media you are, You're crossing all of them and you're 0:13:29.840 --> 0:13:32.520 but you also continue to participate in them. How do 0:13:32.600 --> 0:13:36.720 you show up as m in each of those spaces 0:13:36.840 --> 0:13:39.400 that many times have a very specific way that they 0:13:39.440 --> 0:13:40.360 expect people to be. 0:13:41.400 --> 0:13:43.360 That's a I really like the way that you. I 0:13:43.360 --> 0:13:45.360 think it's a really good question. That's a really good question, 0:13:45.400 --> 0:13:47.000 and I think that it's been like a big evolution 0:13:47.120 --> 0:13:50.000 for me. I think that one of the real framing 0:13:51.160 --> 0:13:53.880 mindsets for me and why I go so hard into 0:13:53.880 --> 0:13:56.880 everything that I do, it's because I do still always 0:13:56.880 --> 0:13:58.319 feel like I have to prove myself. I feel like 0:13:58.360 --> 0:14:00.120 I had to prove myself for a long time. Come 0:14:00.120 --> 0:14:01.960 from a very prominent New York family, and so people 0:14:02.040 --> 0:14:04.559 had a lot of presumptions about me. Now, I think 0:14:04.559 --> 0:14:09.000 we'd call it nepo babies, but they presumed that I 0:14:09.080 --> 0:14:12.840 didn't earn what I achieved, and for a long time 0:14:12.920 --> 0:14:15.760 I didn't feel like I deserved most of it. That 0:14:15.800 --> 0:14:17.679 you know, I had a hard time in school. I 0:14:17.720 --> 0:14:23.120 had very little impulse control in talking. In particular, what 0:14:23.200 --> 0:14:25.400 was a big surprise. But so I didn't do that well, 0:14:25.400 --> 0:14:27.920 Like I didn't fit in, and so therefore I felt 0:14:27.960 --> 0:14:30.840 like I wasn't living up to the expectations of my family, 0:14:30.880 --> 0:14:34.120 I wasn't living up to the expectations of the city 0:14:34.200 --> 0:14:36.800 around me and everyone I came in contact with, and 0:14:36.840 --> 0:14:39.400 so I was really rebellious because if I couldn't fit in, 0:14:39.400 --> 0:14:42.200 then I had to rebel against it. And then that 0:14:42.320 --> 0:14:44.560 kind of got flipped when I worked on a political 0:14:44.560 --> 0:14:48.000 campaign right after college and I thought, oh my god, 0:14:48.000 --> 0:14:49.560 I'm really good at this. This is the first time 0:14:49.680 --> 0:14:52.800 ever in my life I've believed that I was good 0:14:52.840 --> 0:14:56.840 at anything, and I had to really prove every minute 0:14:56.840 --> 0:14:59.800 of every day that I earned the right to be there, 0:15:00.080 --> 0:15:02.680 earned the right to be in my position. And that 0:15:02.760 --> 0:15:04.440 led me to law school right after. Like I had 0:15:04.480 --> 0:15:07.400 my college advisor. My college degree was in social work, 0:15:07.400 --> 0:15:09.840 and my college advisor pulled me aside senior year and 0:15:09.880 --> 0:15:11.080 I said, you know, I was meeting with her and 0:15:11.080 --> 0:15:12.320 I said, you know, I'm thinking about going to law 0:15:12.320 --> 0:15:14.680 school and she said, well, that's really for the smart 0:15:14.680 --> 0:15:16.840 people like this girl, lindsay, like, you're really never going 0:15:16.840 --> 0:15:18.400 to amount to anything. You're always going to have to 0:15:18.400 --> 0:15:21.880 buy your way in and she she hit me where 0:15:21.880 --> 0:15:24.200 it hurt like she hit I'm looking to cry it 0:15:24.200 --> 0:15:26.880 out like it still sings, because so. 0:15:26.880 --> 0:15:28.160 Can we can we find her? 0:15:28.280 --> 0:15:30.960 Because I have something I would like to say to that, 0:15:31.640 --> 0:15:35.040 to the like that is a horrific I know that's 0:15:35.040 --> 0:15:37.560 a horrific thing to say to anyone. So I'm sorry 0:15:37.600 --> 0:15:39.120 that she said that, because you never deserved that. 0:15:39.200 --> 0:15:42.640 It's not true, but you know what she said what 0:15:42.760 --> 0:15:45.120 I was most afraid that people were saying about me, 0:15:45.760 --> 0:15:48.480 and so it really hurt, but it also gave me 0:15:48.560 --> 0:15:50.920 a real drive. I was like, you know, I'm I 0:15:51.080 --> 0:15:54.000 was on the next ten year, fifteen year drive. That 0:15:54.120 --> 0:15:56.360 was always in the back of my mind that people 0:15:56.440 --> 0:15:58.760 always thought that about me, and yet I had this 0:15:58.840 --> 0:16:01.440 passion to be changing the world. I felt like if 0:16:01.480 --> 0:16:03.720 I was given so much, then much was expected of me. 0:16:03.880 --> 0:16:06.720 And I felt a real burning passion for people who 0:16:06.800 --> 0:16:08.680 didn't have a seat at the table, people who didn't 0:16:08.760 --> 0:16:10.520 know how to have their voices heard, which is why 0:16:10.520 --> 0:16:13.560 I started my career at SLDN after working at Campaigns, 0:16:13.560 --> 0:16:15.560 and continued to do that at the Center for American 0:16:15.560 --> 0:16:19.920 Progress and other organizations. But it was always nagging, and 0:16:20.000 --> 0:16:23.280 so I felt that I needed to pick a lane 0:16:23.640 --> 0:16:25.760 when I was in politics because I had to prove 0:16:25.760 --> 0:16:28.240 that I was serious. Like that was a big thing 0:16:28.320 --> 0:16:30.280 for me, that I had to prove that I earned 0:16:30.280 --> 0:16:31.960 it and I was serious and I was smart enough 0:16:31.960 --> 0:16:35.240 to be in the room. And then it all kind 0:16:35.240 --> 0:16:38.120 of blew up for me after I had three kids 0:16:38.160 --> 0:16:40.560 in three and a half years. All three kids were mistakes. 0:16:40.600 --> 0:16:42.280 I'm sorry, what's happening. What's happening right now? 0:16:43.360 --> 0:16:45.480 I am like the most fertile person on the planet. Like, 0:16:45.720 --> 0:16:48.720 literally all three kids were mistakes. I cried every time 0:16:48.720 --> 0:16:51.320 I found I was pregnant, and I was like, not. 0:16:51.520 --> 0:16:54.400 Again, again, not again, No. 0:16:54.720 --> 0:16:57.320 We can't go back here. And part of it was 0:16:57.320 --> 0:16:59.280 that I didn't really feel any connection to my kids, 0:16:59.440 --> 0:17:02.640 because I didn't feel connections to babies. I do now 0:17:02.680 --> 0:17:05.280 that they're a little bit older. But the biggest part 0:17:05.320 --> 0:17:07.000 is that I felt like I really, I had really 0:17:07.040 --> 0:17:09.760 earned my career, like I really had felt for the 0:17:09.760 --> 0:17:12.879 first time that I had sacrificed a lot for it, 0:17:12.880 --> 0:17:16.400 like I had sacrificed physically, emotionally, time wise. I had 0:17:16.440 --> 0:17:17.800 moved out of New York because I felt like I 0:17:17.800 --> 0:17:21.119 couldn't prove myself as an individual in New York and 0:17:21.920 --> 0:17:23.240 it was and I was going to lose it. Like 0:17:23.280 --> 0:17:25.760 I knew that working at the intersection of politics and media, 0:17:26.119 --> 0:17:29.719 it's always about like the last thing you were relevant for, Yeah, 0:17:29.760 --> 0:17:32.600 and I couldn't be relevant and I couldn't do it. 0:17:33.000 --> 0:17:35.560 And then three weeks after I had my third baby, 0:17:35.640 --> 0:17:38.600 we went into a lockdown for the pandemic and I 0:17:38.640 --> 0:17:41.679 was like, well, now now I'm truly fucked, truly, Like 0:17:41.760 --> 0:17:45.000 now there's no like I have no child's care. There's 0:17:45.119 --> 0:17:48.080 just like babies crying everywhere, so. 0:17:47.960 --> 0:17:50.240 Many babies, so many babies crying. 0:17:50.920 --> 0:17:53.359 Just like everywhere, and I can't use my brain. And 0:17:53.400 --> 0:17:55.639 that is the one way that I have defined myself 0:17:55.760 --> 0:17:57.840 that made me feel confident, and that made me feel 0:17:57.880 --> 0:18:00.360 like I was my own person and not necessarily part 0:18:00.400 --> 0:18:02.880 of my family, and like I love my family. It's 0:18:02.920 --> 0:18:07.600 not a bad thing, but but it's it's hard to 0:18:07.840 --> 0:18:12.080 feel like your feelings are legitimate and like your feelings 0:18:12.080 --> 0:18:17.720 are valid when everything external says well, really nobody's interested 0:18:17.760 --> 0:18:20.440 in the things that you're feeling. And that is something 0:18:20.480 --> 0:18:22.359 that I still feel like I have to balance, like 0:18:22.400 --> 0:18:25.360 putting out there, like, you know, I have a lot 0:18:25.359 --> 0:18:30.720 of advantages for sure, and only as I've become more 0:18:30.720 --> 0:18:34.560 confident I can say and I still feel these things 0:18:34.800 --> 0:18:36.560 and it's okay for me to talk about them. 0:18:37.240 --> 0:18:39.879 That's exactly right, you know, I think this piece of 0:18:39.960 --> 0:18:44.359 coming from a prominent family. Everyone has their idea of 0:18:44.960 --> 0:18:48.000 what that is then, and everyone thinks they know you, 0:18:48.080 --> 0:18:50.399 which means that no one actually knows you because they 0:18:50.400 --> 0:18:52.960 haven't given you an opportunity and a chance to show 0:18:53.040 --> 0:18:55.320 up because they're like, no, no, no, we already get it. 0:18:55.440 --> 0:18:56.720 We know what you're about. 0:18:57.280 --> 0:18:59.520 And so you know when you I mean the amount 0:18:59.560 --> 0:19:01.480 of people over my lifetime that have come up to 0:19:01.480 --> 0:19:03.720 me and said, oh, I'm very close with the Tishes, 0:19:03.880 --> 0:19:06.320 and I'm like, well, I literally don't, like this is 0:19:06.359 --> 0:19:09.240 our first head meeting. Oh like, am I close to you? 0:19:09.280 --> 0:19:09.359 Do? 0:19:09.440 --> 0:19:10.119 I feel close? 0:19:10.200 --> 0:19:13.159 Like I don't write feel right exactly. It's that's it's 0:19:13.200 --> 0:19:15.400 a good point. It's sort of like how we define 0:19:15.400 --> 0:19:18.760 different words and what they mean. Sometimes it is based 0:19:18.840 --> 0:19:22.000 on what our ambition is, what we're really there for. 0:19:22.359 --> 0:19:25.080 So when you talk about this idea of being smart, 0:19:25.160 --> 0:19:27.840 right and what that counselor told you and that struggle 0:19:27.920 --> 0:19:30.399 that you had with feeling that you know, I think 0:19:31.280 --> 0:19:34.719 I think we are in a really complicated time with 0:19:34.800 --> 0:19:37.080 our kids who are growing up in a very old 0:19:37.080 --> 0:19:41.000 school system of schooling and teaching that has expectations that 0:19:41.280 --> 0:19:43.760 just don't meet the moment where it is. And we 0:19:43.960 --> 0:19:47.320 keep saying, if you don't do these three things, then 0:19:47.320 --> 0:19:49.959 we're putting you in this lane and you're never going 0:19:50.040 --> 0:19:52.960 to be like someone who can get yourself out of it. 0:19:53.520 --> 0:19:56.240 And so it's it's a dangerous time where we assume 0:19:56.320 --> 0:19:58.680 that traditional schooling and going straight to college and all 0:19:58.680 --> 0:20:01.359 these things are the way, and anything else outside of 0:20:01.400 --> 0:20:05.800 that means that you're worthless. So utally, you know, like 0:20:05.840 --> 0:20:09.159 you say that politics gave you a chance to feel 0:20:09.240 --> 0:20:11.320 serious and to be taken seriously. 0:20:12.400 --> 0:20:14.399 Who were you proving yourself to with that? 0:20:16.520 --> 0:20:21.280 Everyone? Like I really did care about that. My colleagues 0:20:21.440 --> 0:20:23.440 felt that I had earned the right to be in 0:20:23.480 --> 0:20:26.879 the room. I cared that, you know, politics is like 0:20:26.920 --> 0:20:28.760 it's not really about money, it's about like access to 0:20:28.800 --> 0:20:31.240 power and if people think that you deserve to be 0:20:31.280 --> 0:20:34.560 in a conversation and in a decision making capacity, and 0:20:34.600 --> 0:20:36.720 everyone around me, I was trying to prove that I 0:20:36.760 --> 0:20:40.280 was serious too, Like I didn't totally feel serious myself, 0:20:40.560 --> 0:20:42.960 but in parts of me knew that I did. Like 0:20:42.359 --> 0:20:45.760 I did exceptionally well in law school. I graduated in 0:20:45.800 --> 0:20:47.879 the top of my class, and that was the first 0:20:47.880 --> 0:20:51.760 time that I had felt smart, and so I was 0:20:51.840 --> 0:20:54.440 constantly trying to prove to everyone that, like I did 0:20:54.520 --> 0:20:57.080 deserve to be there. But then I also knew there 0:20:57.080 --> 0:21:02.240 were these very silly, whimsical, theater loving parts of me 0:21:02.680 --> 0:21:06.200 that don't really fit into a culture of politics where 0:21:06.200 --> 0:21:08.080 everyone is trying to be the smartest in the room. 0:21:08.480 --> 0:21:10.080 And so I was afraid that if I let that 0:21:10.240 --> 0:21:12.800 out to the extent to which I feel it, then 0:21:12.840 --> 0:21:17.080 I would be like cutting against everything else I'd proven 0:21:17.200 --> 0:21:20.560 about being serious. So I did kind of pick a lane, 0:21:20.560 --> 0:21:22.080 and I was like, this is my serious lane. And 0:21:22.080 --> 0:21:24.440 so I started going on TV as a political commentator 0:21:24.480 --> 0:21:27.720 in twenty twelve for Obama's reelection, and I did Fox 0:21:27.800 --> 0:21:30.159 News like almost every day, like all the time. I 0:21:30.200 --> 0:21:34.399 did Fox News, CNN, MSNBCCB as across the board, And 0:21:34.920 --> 0:21:39.280 so much of that for me was that nobody could 0:21:39.359 --> 0:21:41.480 say that somebody else got me in the room like 0:21:41.520 --> 0:21:44.200 I was on live TV doing the hardest thing somebody 0:21:44.240 --> 0:21:46.399 in my job could be doing, like I was on 0:21:46.440 --> 0:21:50.000 like Bill O'Reilly, you know, like right, or I'm. 0:21:49.880 --> 0:21:51.720 Like sweating as you're saying that because we know that 0:21:51.720 --> 0:21:53.240 that's a hot seat, right. 0:21:53.520 --> 0:21:55.960 Yeah, totally. And so that was a big piece of 0:21:55.960 --> 0:21:58.320 it for me that like I didn't need everybody to 0:21:58.359 --> 0:22:01.400 watch every segment I had ever done, but I knew 0:22:01.440 --> 0:22:03.600 I had gotten through it, and I had this external 0:22:03.760 --> 0:22:07.439 validator to show that I had the right to be 0:22:07.520 --> 0:22:08.119 in my job. 0:22:08.720 --> 0:22:12.600 So like you had this period of time where you 0:22:12.640 --> 0:22:18.640 were so publicly visible your skill set, your expertise, and 0:22:18.680 --> 0:22:21.480 then when did you say, I'm going to let this 0:22:21.560 --> 0:22:22.560 other part of me out. 0:22:24.080 --> 0:22:26.240 I had to hit a real bottom, Like I really 0:22:26.280 --> 0:22:28.439 had to hit a low. And it was when it 0:22:28.520 --> 0:22:30.399 was during the pandemic, when I was locked in with 0:22:30.440 --> 0:22:32.760 these three kids and my whole career had evaporated, and 0:22:32.920 --> 0:22:34.760 I like, I mean, I couldn't work, I couldn't work 0:22:34.760 --> 0:22:37.240 in my field, and I didn't know if I could 0:22:37.320 --> 0:22:39.560 do anything else, Like I didn't know not only I 0:22:39.560 --> 0:22:41.400 didn't know if anyone would hire me for anything else, 0:22:41.440 --> 0:22:43.760 Like I actually didn't know if I was capable of 0:22:43.800 --> 0:22:47.040 doing anything else because I had doubled down so hard 0:22:47.440 --> 0:22:50.439 in political strategy and I didn't know who I was 0:22:50.600 --> 0:22:53.080 without it, and that was really hard for me because 0:22:53.080 --> 0:22:57.200 I had taken that as my identity to replace being 0:22:57.240 --> 0:23:01.080 part of my prominent family, right, right, it was. 0:23:01.080 --> 0:23:03.280 Like, yeah, you were, you were like this. 0:23:03.480 --> 0:23:09.480 It's not that you necessarily fixed that need, you just 0:23:09.600 --> 0:23:10.239 replaced it. 0:23:10.840 --> 0:23:11.040 Right. 0:23:11.080 --> 0:23:13.320 So it's like the same idea as like addiction, where 0:23:13.320 --> 0:23:14.679 it's like, well, I'm not a smoke er. 0:23:14.640 --> 0:23:16.240 Anymore, but man, I'm an alcoholic. 0:23:16.280 --> 0:23:18.240 And I'm not saying that this is exactly like addiction, 0:23:18.280 --> 0:23:19.600 but it's I probably. 0:23:19.359 --> 0:23:22.280 Have a personality of an addict. That's a fair assessment. 0:23:22.520 --> 0:23:24.160 Well, but what I think it is is like when 0:23:24.200 --> 0:23:29.119 we have when we have these expectations of us, especially 0:23:29.280 --> 0:23:33.639 that are about our lineage, which is truly our identity, 0:23:34.160 --> 0:23:38.040 and we are trying to figure our way through them. 0:23:38.320 --> 0:23:42.040 Relevance is always the top sort of need, right. The 0:23:42.080 --> 0:23:43.439 desire is like am I relevant? 0:23:43.440 --> 0:23:44.800 Am I relevant? Do people care? 0:23:45.480 --> 0:23:45.720 Right? 0:23:45.760 --> 0:23:48.199 And so so much of your work up until that 0:23:48.200 --> 0:23:52.000 point had been about being relevant to whatever you were 0:23:52.000 --> 0:23:55.200 throwing yourself into. Being behind the scenes feels real scary 0:23:55.240 --> 0:23:57.119 because it's like everyone's going to forget about me. 0:23:58.040 --> 0:23:59.120 What happens then. 0:23:59.800 --> 0:24:03.000 So so, And I couldn't even work behind the scenes. 0:24:03.400 --> 0:24:06.040 Like the way that I worked meant that I had 0:24:06.040 --> 0:24:08.560 to be up on, like have the latest information at 0:24:08.560 --> 0:24:11.480 all the time, at all times. And I couldn't get 0:24:11.480 --> 0:24:14.320 the latest information because I wasn't working in a way 0:24:14.320 --> 0:24:15.600 that would give me access to it. 0:24:15.920 --> 0:24:16.160 No. 0:24:16.240 --> 0:24:18.320 No, And I think when we think about what it 0:24:18.359 --> 0:24:20.360 was to be a parent of small children in a pandemic, 0:24:20.440 --> 0:24:24.200 and you have a really almost amplified example of having 0:24:24.400 --> 0:24:27.280 three children under the age of three during that time, 0:24:27.800 --> 0:24:31.679 you can't function. There is no functioning that occurs for 0:24:32.080 --> 0:24:35.119 a parent that is living at home without childcare with 0:24:35.200 --> 0:24:37.520 three small, very needy people. 0:24:38.320 --> 0:24:39.960 How the hell did you get through that time? 0:24:40.320 --> 0:24:43.520 A lot of crying, a lot of jumping in mud puddles. 0:24:43.520 --> 0:24:45.280 We did that about twice a day. We buried a 0:24:45.280 --> 0:24:48.120 dead bird for a little while. That was one activity. 0:24:49.800 --> 0:24:52.639 But I just, you know, I just kind of like 0:24:52.760 --> 0:24:55.840 kept one piece, Like for a little while, I kept 0:24:55.840 --> 0:24:58.399 my political podcast going, even though it was like I 0:24:58.440 --> 0:25:00.680 was doing a really shady job of it. No cared anymore, 0:25:00.960 --> 0:25:03.119 Like I just kind of like kept one piece, just 0:25:03.160 --> 0:25:05.800 to keep my brain involved. And then I actually gave 0:25:05.800 --> 0:25:09.120 myself a pause. I gave myself six months, and I said, 0:25:09.160 --> 0:25:13.040 I'm going to take this six months to just I 0:25:13.080 --> 0:25:15.159 had been keeping myself busy, like I've been keeping the 0:25:15.600 --> 0:25:18.720 political podpast, going to like give me something to hold on. 0:25:18.760 --> 0:25:23.040 To, yeah, keep you tethered, right, yeah, right, Like keep 0:25:23.040 --> 0:25:25.720 me the teathered to myself that was outside of child's care. 0:25:25.760 --> 0:25:27.280 Yeah, taking care of my children and figuring out I 0:25:27.280 --> 0:25:29.640 mean we moved eight times in eighteen months, Like where 0:25:29.640 --> 0:25:32.639 do they go to school? You know, like give me 0:25:32.680 --> 0:25:36.399 something that still felt like myself. And then I actually 0:25:36.440 --> 0:25:39.040 gave myself a really dedicated time to say, let's just 0:25:39.359 --> 0:25:41.639 do a lot of coffees. And they're probably virtual at 0:25:41.640 --> 0:25:43.840 that point, but like, let me just have a lot 0:25:43.840 --> 0:25:46.760 of conversations because I actually don't know who I am anymore. 0:25:46.840 --> 0:25:48.359 Like I'm not ready to go out and say I'm 0:25:48.400 --> 0:25:50.680 looking for this kind of job or I want to 0:25:50.720 --> 0:25:52.600 create this kind of thing or be part of this 0:25:52.720 --> 0:25:54.560 kind of system because I actually don't know what I 0:25:54.560 --> 0:25:57.800 have to offer and I don't know who I am anymore. Yeah, 0:25:57.840 --> 0:25:59.840 it was a big so it let. 0:25:59.720 --> 0:26:03.640 Me like yes, like you like yes, I mean that 0:26:03.760 --> 0:26:06.800 is I think that so many women felt that during 0:26:06.800 --> 0:26:07.200 that time. 0:26:08.440 --> 0:26:11.080 I really do and and I just started to like 0:26:11.440 --> 0:26:15.200 make like build roots where we were and just start 0:26:15.240 --> 0:26:16.680 one thing at a time, Like what do I want 0:26:16.680 --> 0:26:18.879 to do? Well? I need advice, Like I need to 0:26:18.920 --> 0:26:21.840 know that like I'm not dead, Like there's no parenting 0:26:21.880 --> 0:26:24.160 advice out there that resonates with me right now, there's 0:26:24.200 --> 0:26:26.760 no work advice that resonates for me, because everything was 0:26:26.760 --> 0:26:29.600 about work life balance, which implied that you chose and 0:26:29.680 --> 0:26:31.760 I was like, well, believe me, I would have never 0:26:31.880 --> 0:26:37.120 chose this. Nope. So I needed to know that I 0:26:37.200 --> 0:26:40.280 did it. I did create such high expectations for myself 0:26:40.280 --> 0:26:42.760 and everything that I did that like if it can't 0:26:42.800 --> 0:26:46.919 be this political career that I've spent fifteen years working 0:26:46.960 --> 0:26:48.359 my ass off, Like I'm not going to have the 0:26:48.359 --> 0:26:51.040 bandwidth to work in that way towards something else right now? 0:26:51.119 --> 0:26:54.520 I just don't. Yeah, So, like, am I gonna be okay? 0:26:54.760 --> 0:26:57.080 And is everything that I'm going to have done not 0:26:57.240 --> 0:27:00.719 just have been a total waste? And so I started 0:27:00.760 --> 0:27:03.120 thinking about who can give me advice in this way 0:27:03.160 --> 0:27:05.000 and in the most selfish way possible. I was like 0:27:05.200 --> 0:27:07.200 I want to talk to my idols, and I want 0:27:07.240 --> 0:27:09.160 to talk to women who have gone through the shittiest 0:27:09.160 --> 0:27:11.520 thing I can possibly imagine, and that makes my things 0:27:11.520 --> 0:27:12.280 seem not that bad. 0:27:12.880 --> 0:27:17.120 I mean, listen, it's there's perspective there. There's huge perspective there. 0:27:18.440 --> 0:27:21.840 And so how did you embark on that? What was 0:27:21.880 --> 0:27:23.680 sort of like what was the beginning like? And then 0:27:23.760 --> 0:27:27.080 let's talk about how that evolved into something really powerful. 0:27:27.760 --> 0:27:29.760 Well, I put a structure together of what I wanted 0:27:29.760 --> 0:27:32.120 the content to be like, and the structure has even 0:27:32.160 --> 0:27:34.320 evolved that. At the beginning, I was like, ten episodes, 0:27:34.359 --> 0:27:36.800 feels like something I can manage. Let me see if 0:27:36.800 --> 0:27:38.679 I can create it. I had worked with a production 0:27:38.800 --> 0:27:41.480 company when I'd done the political podcast and had a 0:27:41.560 --> 0:27:43.800 not good ending with them, so I was like, if 0:27:43.800 --> 0:27:45.639 I build something, I'm building it from scratch. 0:27:46.040 --> 0:27:46.200 Yeah. 0:27:46.280 --> 0:27:48.879 But hello, I'm just sitting at the desk in my bedroom, like, 0:27:49.320 --> 0:27:50.840 you know, like this is all new for me. So 0:27:51.080 --> 0:27:53.440 you know, it was a lot of just like walking 0:27:53.480 --> 0:27:57.719 around and like making notes on my note app figuring 0:27:57.760 --> 0:27:59.720 it out, and the structure did change, you know. At 0:27:59.720 --> 0:28:02.200 one point I met someone who was used to doing 0:28:02.720 --> 0:28:05.800 or who had had an experience doing sales for big events, 0:28:05.840 --> 0:28:07.159 you know, sort of like Women of the World's kind 0:28:07.200 --> 0:28:09.960 of events. So I partnered with her to make it 0:28:10.000 --> 0:28:12.679 an in person award and the podcast would be the 0:28:12.760 --> 0:28:16.040 side side offering. And then she told me that she's 0:28:16.040 --> 0:28:17.800 going to grad school full time and I had to 0:28:17.840 --> 0:28:21.439 rethink it. At that point when I was ready to launch, 0:28:21.520 --> 0:28:24.000 I was like, I came up with this thing. Oh, 0:28:24.000 --> 0:28:25.800 I pitched every media company I could think of. My 0:28:25.800 --> 0:28:28.479 friend Michelle Juwanda said, Emily, you are the media company. 0:28:29.160 --> 0:28:32.000 Do not give your idea away to them. So then 0:28:32.040 --> 0:28:34.800 I created the media company and pitched it to existing 0:28:34.920 --> 0:28:38.160 legacy brands to partner with me on and then I 0:28:38.240 --> 0:28:40.320 launched it so like I had this email list it 0:28:40.360 --> 0:28:42.720 was created made up of all of my contacts, and 0:28:42.760 --> 0:28:44.800 I was like, this is really scary. I'm really scary 0:28:44.800 --> 0:28:48.480 of launching that I'm going to launch this podcast talking 0:28:48.480 --> 0:28:50.480 about things that are personal and the way that I feel. 0:28:50.480 --> 0:28:53.680 And I actually don't think that anybody wants to hear 0:28:53.720 --> 0:28:55.400 the way that I feel. And I'm not even sure 0:28:55.400 --> 0:28:56.760 that I want to hear the way that I feel. 0:28:56.800 --> 0:28:59.520 But I'm trying it, and I'm nervous that people aren't 0:28:59.520 --> 0:29:01.320 going to see me serious anymore, and then I'm not 0:29:01.360 --> 0:29:03.040 going to see myself a serious But I'm launching it. 0:29:03.960 --> 0:29:06.400 So I sent out this email to every person i'd 0:29:06.440 --> 0:29:10.080 ever emailed with that said, here's my new podcast. It's 0:29:10.080 --> 0:29:13.680 called Pivot. And within about ten days I got a 0:29:13.720 --> 0:29:17.280 cease and desist order from Vice Media. Oh said, you 0:29:17.480 --> 0:29:20.640 have violated the trademark we hold on Pivot in the 0:29:20.680 --> 0:29:22.560 podcast category. 0:29:22.800 --> 0:29:25.680 You're like, I'm excellent. Well at least someone's paying attention. 0:29:27.080 --> 0:29:29.360 That is literally how I kept trying to reframe it. 0:29:29.440 --> 0:29:32.920 I was like, Okay, I'm totally fucked and I totally 0:29:32.960 --> 0:29:35.920 botched this roll out like the new me. And they're like, 0:29:36.200 --> 0:29:38.000 just kidding, it's not listen. 0:29:38.040 --> 0:29:41.160 I think a season assists, like you aren't. You haven't 0:29:41.200 --> 0:29:43.440 made it until you've gotten a season assist. So like 0:29:43.840 --> 0:29:46.120 so like slow clap for you girl. 0:29:45.960 --> 0:29:49.160 Okay, yeah so you So you were like, I got 0:29:49.160 --> 0:29:52.840 a Pivot my name right now. 0:29:54.280 --> 0:29:57.240 And and Edna, who worked for me at the time, 0:29:57.280 --> 0:29:59.760 and the lawyers kept coming up with like fifty different 0:29:59.840 --> 0:30:01.040 names that I could use, and I was like, but 0:30:01.120 --> 0:30:04.120 here's the problem with that name. It's not Pivot. 0:30:04.400 --> 0:30:05.040 It's not pivot. 0:30:05.520 --> 0:30:08.760 Yeah, so that's the problem with it. Yeah, once again, 0:30:09.160 --> 0:30:11.160 let me refer back to the season Asis daughter. 0:30:11.440 --> 0:30:11.640 Yep. 0:30:12.040 --> 0:30:13.960 And then my mom came up with she pivots. Actually, 0:30:14.200 --> 0:30:16.479 I had initially wanted to keep it just as pivot, 0:30:16.840 --> 0:30:18.560 which they wouldn't let me because I wanted to be 0:30:18.600 --> 0:30:20.760 able to include men. And then and I thought that 0:30:20.800 --> 0:30:24.200 she pivots just made it too narrow. And then when 0:30:24.240 --> 0:30:25.600 I thought about who I wanted to interview, I was like, 0:30:25.640 --> 0:30:27.120 I actually don't really care about interviewing men. 0:30:27.440 --> 0:30:30.120 So it's fine, and it's like and again it's like, well, 0:30:30.320 --> 0:30:32.880 turns out also fifty one percent of the population, half 0:30:32.920 --> 0:30:36.040 of the labor force is not narrow, and there's going 0:30:36.120 --> 0:30:39.600 to be tons and tons of opportunity here and. 0:30:39.600 --> 0:30:40.280 I think a lot. 0:30:40.600 --> 0:30:44.360 Listen, the corporate world wants us to be afraid to 0:30:44.480 --> 0:30:46.880 say we're just focusing on women, right. 0:30:46.800 --> 0:30:49.320 We are continue we continue to be told. 0:30:49.760 --> 0:30:52.240 Wah, I don't know if that's a category we can 0:30:52.400 --> 0:30:55.480 publicly state we are going all in on. And when 0:30:55.520 --> 0:30:57.360 you look at the numbers, it just doesn't make any sense, 0:30:57.440 --> 0:30:59.240 especially when we know that eighty five percent of consumer 0:30:59.280 --> 0:31:00.960 buying power is in the hands of women. 0:31:01.560 --> 0:31:05.680 So so I'm so thrilled. I'm I'm thrilled you got 0:31:05.720 --> 0:31:06.600 that seasoned assist. 0:31:06.720 --> 0:31:10.360 I'm thrilled you decided to focus I wouldn't even say 0:31:10.440 --> 0:31:14.600 narrow in Yeah, to focus on women and to make 0:31:14.640 --> 0:31:17.680 this about what you really were intending to do from 0:31:17.720 --> 0:31:21.520 the get go, which is to explore and examine your 0:31:21.600 --> 0:31:25.400 own journey through the journeys of other women who have 0:31:25.920 --> 0:31:28.040 dealt with what any of us who have had a 0:31:28.080 --> 0:31:31.320 career and children know to be, which is those two 0:31:31.440 --> 0:31:34.880 things coming up against one another and forcing us to 0:31:34.960 --> 0:31:36.680 make some kind of choice. 0:31:37.320 --> 0:31:41.240 Yep, yeah, yes. And and the thing that was very 0:31:41.240 --> 0:31:43.640 specific for me as I was putting together kind of 0:31:43.640 --> 0:31:47.800 the thesis of the show is that my story was 0:31:47.840 --> 0:31:49.520 that my kids killed my career. And by the way, 0:31:49.520 --> 0:31:51.320 I have a tote bag because my kids killed my career, 0:31:51.360 --> 0:31:52.600 and if I haven't sent it to yet, I'm going 0:31:52.600 --> 0:31:53.360 to yep. 0:31:53.240 --> 0:31:54.160 But need it, need it? 0:31:54.280 --> 0:31:56.560 Yeah, Yeah, you're gonna need that one. But I actually 0:31:56.640 --> 0:31:59.600 was really specific not to book other women with the 0:31:59.600 --> 0:32:03.920 same story as me, because there's so many things that 0:32:04.000 --> 0:32:07.800 happen outside of us that change our perspective that then 0:32:08.080 --> 0:32:11.840 lead us to something different. And again, very selfishly, I 0:32:11.920 --> 0:32:14.280 needed to know what they were, like, I needed to 0:32:14.280 --> 0:32:16.920 know how people got through them. So in the first season, 0:32:17.400 --> 0:32:20.200 we had someone who came out of trans and was 0:32:20.280 --> 0:32:23.640 kicked out of the military. We had a Holocaust survivor. Like, 0:32:23.680 --> 0:32:27.000 we had a huge variety of stories, and that maintains 0:32:27.560 --> 0:32:29.920 the most important piece of it for me, is having 0:32:29.960 --> 0:32:33.960 the biggest variety of stories possible because we're all working 0:32:34.040 --> 0:32:36.920 within the same frame. Is that, like, I didn't anticipate 0:32:36.960 --> 0:32:38.720 this thing. It was going to rock me so much. 0:32:39.440 --> 0:32:41.680 I kind of got gutted out, and then I was 0:32:41.840 --> 0:32:45.480 better because of it, not in spite of it. Because 0:32:45.520 --> 0:32:46.959 of it, I was better. 0:32:47.600 --> 0:32:49.400 Yes, do you. 0:32:49.440 --> 0:32:52.680 Feel like your biggest pivot moment was what happened in 0:32:52.720 --> 0:32:54.560 the pandemic or was it something else? 0:32:54.840 --> 0:32:58.080 No, without question, it definitely was. But I think that 0:32:58.280 --> 0:33:00.600 even in the three years that I've been doing this show, 0:33:01.480 --> 0:33:04.200 I've broadened. You know, I went all in on building 0:33:04.240 --> 0:33:06.560 the media company, went all in on building the show. 0:33:07.000 --> 0:33:11.200 And as my team has gotten more efficient and they've 0:33:11.200 --> 0:33:14.920 gotten and we've gotten professionalized and we've been able to grow, 0:33:15.680 --> 0:33:18.120 it's opened me up to be able to say, well, actually, 0:33:18.200 --> 0:33:21.560 I can do other things and I want to, and 0:33:21.680 --> 0:33:24.120 I started investing in Broadway shows, which, by the way, 0:33:24.160 --> 0:33:25.240 producing is just investing. 0:33:25.520 --> 0:33:29.600 I don't like lead produce, But guess what synonyms are 0:33:29.600 --> 0:33:31.760 there for a reason, and so producing. 0:33:31.360 --> 0:33:32.040 Is what we say. 0:33:32.400 --> 0:33:32.600 I know. 0:33:32.640 --> 0:33:34.640 I still have like a real insecurity about that too. 0:33:34.680 --> 0:33:36.880 I'm like, I'm not like creatively putting a show together. 0:33:37.240 --> 0:33:38.920 But you know what, you know, it's funny. I don't 0:33:38.960 --> 0:33:41.800 agree with that, because here's what you do. By investing, 0:33:42.320 --> 0:33:45.880 you are creating the space for creativity. You are creating 0:33:46.040 --> 0:33:50.960 room for those on stage and writing behind the scenes 0:33:51.440 --> 0:33:55.040 to go there. So it is a different form of 0:33:55.360 --> 0:33:59.520 that idea of being a creative influence, and it matters. 0:33:59.800 --> 0:34:00.880 So I own that shit. 0:34:01.560 --> 0:34:03.200 You're right, I will own it. Well, So I've done 0:34:03.240 --> 0:34:07.000 two shows now, and is there a thesis to why 0:34:07.040 --> 0:34:07.560 I do it? 0:34:07.760 --> 0:34:07.880 No? 0:34:08.040 --> 0:34:10.440 I love it like I love it. That's that's that's 0:34:10.520 --> 0:34:12.080 the answer, is that I love it. And I've seen 0:34:12.080 --> 0:34:13.359 a lot of theater in my life, and I think 0:34:13.400 --> 0:34:16.040 that I maybe have an opinion about it. So a 0:34:16.080 --> 0:34:18.719 friend of mine presented this opportunity to invest in the 0:34:18.760 --> 0:34:20.880 first show to me, for us to do it together, 0:34:21.160 --> 0:34:22.560 and I said, well, I feel like if I go 0:34:22.600 --> 0:34:24.560 into a new category, it needs to be on brand, 0:34:24.560 --> 0:34:25.960 like is there a female director? 0:34:26.200 --> 0:34:26.279 No? 0:34:26.760 --> 0:34:29.240 Is there a female writer? No? Is there a female 0:34:29.280 --> 0:34:32.400 lead producer? No? I was like, does it know women? 0:34:32.840 --> 0:34:33.200 I don't like. 0:34:34.960 --> 0:34:37.320 You're like, You're like, is there a woman bringing people water? 0:34:37.600 --> 0:34:38.920 Like anything? 0:34:39.640 --> 0:34:41.880 Just please give me something that I can hold on to, 0:34:42.520 --> 0:34:44.640 and it ended up it ended up. It did end 0:34:44.719 --> 0:34:47.120 up being groundbreaking in the sense that Alex Knew a 0:34:47.239 --> 0:34:49.680 one best supporting actress for the first time as a 0:34:49.719 --> 0:34:54.400 non binary actor, which is very exciting. But I felt like, 0:34:54.520 --> 0:34:57.000 even going into this category of theater that it had 0:34:57.040 --> 0:34:59.560 to be so on brand for me. And then I 0:34:59.600 --> 0:35:03.480 was like, actually I like it, and also I think 0:35:03.520 --> 0:35:07.120 it's going to be profitable, so that's good enough. So 0:35:07.280 --> 0:35:10.040 I feel that's good enough. But I say, oh, this 0:35:10.120 --> 0:35:11.480 is the example, like how did I get to this 0:35:11.520 --> 0:35:13.080 point where I just like, give no Fox and do 0:35:13.120 --> 0:35:15.440 exactly what I want to do. I think it's evolving, 0:35:16.000 --> 0:35:18.480 and I think it also feels to me like I 0:35:18.560 --> 0:35:22.759 have to establish myself, like this is my own insecurities 0:35:22.800 --> 0:35:24.560 and I'm not going to project this on anybody else. 0:35:24.880 --> 0:35:27.799 But I still hold this insecurity that if I do something, 0:35:27.840 --> 0:35:30.799 I have to do at ten thousand percent. And so 0:35:30.920 --> 0:35:33.640 I have to be established enough in the thing that 0:35:33.680 --> 0:35:35.520 I am doing to be able to add. 0:35:37.280 --> 0:35:39.879 That is so interesting, right, because that what that will 0:35:39.880 --> 0:35:41.520 do is it will stop you in a lot of 0:35:41.560 --> 0:35:43.920 cases from being a part of something that you deserve 0:35:44.000 --> 0:35:45.520 to be a part of and that they deserve to 0:35:45.520 --> 0:35:49.920 have you involved in. And it also means that we 0:35:50.080 --> 0:35:54.040 have to fight this notion that we're not learners and 0:35:54.120 --> 0:35:56.440 that we have to be experts in the field of 0:35:56.480 --> 0:35:59.440 everything that we are participating in. You will get to 0:35:59.480 --> 0:36:02.000 a point in some of these spaces that you are 0:36:02.160 --> 0:36:04.760 entering and you are learning about where you do become 0:36:04.880 --> 0:36:08.719 more established and have more expertise, but you're sure as 0:36:08.719 --> 0:36:12.120 hell can't get there on day one. Yea, And so right, 0:36:12.160 --> 0:36:14.440 And so like, I think there is so much merit 0:36:14.600 --> 0:36:18.280 to women in particular saying when they're involved in something, 0:36:18.600 --> 0:36:21.040 I'm here to learn and to be an observer and 0:36:21.080 --> 0:36:23.799 to witness this as much as I'm here to contribute, 0:36:23.840 --> 0:36:27.840 because my inherent value is not just in my service 0:36:27.880 --> 0:36:31.120 to others. And if I view it that way, I 0:36:31.160 --> 0:36:33.160 won't do things just because I love them. I'll do 0:36:33.200 --> 0:36:37.080 them because I feel like I'm serving and like extricating 0:36:37.080 --> 0:36:41.520 ourselves from that definition is confusing because it's all about 0:36:41.560 --> 0:36:43.200 our value and our worth and our own mind. 0:36:43.920 --> 0:36:47.040 Yeah, totally. I mean even you know, I served on 0:36:47.160 --> 0:36:49.360 you know, we mentioned that I've been on school boards before. 0:36:49.719 --> 0:36:52.600 I served on one board as an alum when I 0:36:52.640 --> 0:36:55.520 was on it, and it wasn't a very gratifying experience 0:36:55.520 --> 0:36:57.319 for me, Like I lived in a different city, it 0:36:57.360 --> 0:36:59.680 was hard for me to really participate. I felt like 0:36:59.719 --> 0:37:01.360 I was they are, quite frankly, as a stand in 0:37:01.400 --> 0:37:03.239 for my family, so they could keep a connection to 0:37:03.239 --> 0:37:05.000 my family, which I think is probably why I was there, 0:37:05.920 --> 0:37:07.879 And I still did the full term, like I did 0:37:08.080 --> 0:37:11.800 nine years. Sometimes I was than other I did it. 0:37:11.880 --> 0:37:14.000 I did it for a long time. But then when 0:37:14.040 --> 0:37:16.800 it came time for me to enter into a school 0:37:16.800 --> 0:37:20.160 for my kids, I did have nine years of experience. 0:37:20.360 --> 0:37:23.640 And so even though the first school board was it 0:37:23.719 --> 0:37:25.319 kind of made me feel shitty, like it didn't really 0:37:25.360 --> 0:37:28.600 feel like I was there for my own expertise. It's 0:37:28.600 --> 0:37:30.600 made me feel a hell of a lot better about 0:37:30.600 --> 0:37:34.040 my engagement on my kids' school board. Yeah, because I 0:37:34.040 --> 0:37:36.040 have a point of comparison and I have experience that 0:37:36.120 --> 0:37:37.399 quite frankly, nobody else has. 0:37:38.120 --> 0:37:39.040 It's true. It's true. 0:37:39.040 --> 0:37:42.520 And so sometimes like these these initial experiences that we 0:37:42.560 --> 0:37:45.160 are sort of judging about whether or not we should 0:37:45.160 --> 0:37:47.680 be doing them, it's actually it's a it's a stepping 0:37:47.719 --> 0:37:48.880 stone to the other thing. 0:37:49.040 --> 0:37:50.440 The thing that's really going to matter. 0:37:50.840 --> 0:37:53.520 It definitely does, and it's actually given me a different 0:37:53.520 --> 0:37:55.759 context to look back on that time that I spent 0:37:55.840 --> 0:37:58.600 on that school board and think it really wasn't a waste, 0:37:58.600 --> 0:38:00.440 that it built me up to this moment that now 0:38:00.480 --> 0:38:03.080 I can be a much better contributing member because I 0:38:03.080 --> 0:38:04.920 do care about you know, yes, I will enter a 0:38:04.920 --> 0:38:06.640 space and say it's okay for me to learn, but 0:38:06.680 --> 0:38:10.520 I do really care that I'm not just a placeholder. 0:38:10.600 --> 0:38:12.920 Like I care that I actually contribute something and then 0:38:12.960 --> 0:38:14.920 there it's the only way that I get something out 0:38:14.920 --> 0:38:16.600 of it. It's how they get the best out of me, 0:38:17.440 --> 0:38:19.080 and I do care about that. But I think a 0:38:19.120 --> 0:38:21.799 lot of it just depends on like reframing the skills 0:38:22.320 --> 0:38:25.080 as opposed to the specifics of something I've done before, 0:38:25.320 --> 0:38:27.400 Like school board to school board is like a pretty 0:38:27.440 --> 0:38:31.680 clear transferable set of skills, yes, but it could be 0:38:31.800 --> 0:38:35.120 something different, you know, the school. The school board that 0:38:35.160 --> 0:38:37.360 I'm on right now has spent the last ten years 0:38:37.719 --> 0:38:40.279 trying to get a turning lane because it's dangerous to 0:38:40.280 --> 0:38:43.360 take a left out of the school. And I basically 0:38:43.400 --> 0:38:46.000 spent the fall running the school's government affairs getting this 0:38:46.080 --> 0:38:47.440 turning lane in with a county. 0:38:47.840 --> 0:38:51.480 Yeah, you're like, you're like, I have a background in this, right, 0:38:51.600 --> 0:38:53.640 Like I can pull from some of that, you know, 0:38:53.640 --> 0:38:55.359 And again, even even when you look at something that 0:38:55.440 --> 0:38:57.200 is not as easy of a leap to make, where 0:38:57.200 --> 0:39:01.760 it's like politics too broadway, Well, yeah, it's about community building, 0:39:01.800 --> 0:39:05.360 it's about making people feel seen, it's about creating space 0:39:05.640 --> 0:39:06.640 for diversity. 0:39:07.640 --> 0:39:09.600 Then then we start to see the connection in the 0:39:09.600 --> 0:39:10.240 through line. 0:39:10.600 --> 0:39:12.320 Yeah, one hundred percent of Actually, there's a lot of 0:39:12.360 --> 0:39:15.360 people similar to me that worked either in the Obama 0:39:15.400 --> 0:39:18.640 administration or with the Obama administration where we felt like 0:39:18.680 --> 0:39:22.040 we moved policy very quickly. Before we had moved hearts 0:39:22.040 --> 0:39:26.520 and minds. And now we're in a storytelling space because 0:39:26.560 --> 0:39:29.680 we're so committed to hearts and minds and feel like 0:39:30.280 --> 0:39:32.520 other people can do the policy moving right now. 0:39:32.360 --> 0:39:33.879 Other people can do the policy moving. 0:39:34.000 --> 0:39:35.600 Yeah, but we moved it. We moved it too fast. 0:39:35.920 --> 0:39:36.240 Yeah. 0:39:36.400 --> 0:39:38.399 Now, I love that, I think And again, I think 0:39:38.480 --> 0:39:41.040 so much of that is like when we feel like 0:39:41.320 --> 0:39:44.239 everything has to have such incredible meaning, that's it's just 0:39:44.320 --> 0:39:45.120 it's a lot of pressure. 0:39:45.200 --> 0:39:45.920 It's a lot of pressure. 0:39:46.400 --> 0:39:48.520 Sometimes we just have to to get up and go 0:39:48.600 --> 0:39:51.839 and do it and see what happens with it and 0:39:51.880 --> 0:39:55.919 not have always this end game in mind. And like again, 0:39:55.960 --> 0:39:58.040 when you're a person who has the background that you've had, 0:39:58.600 --> 0:40:00.760 it's it's always about like, am I going to package 0:40:00.760 --> 0:40:02.319 this all up and sort of serve it up and 0:40:02.360 --> 0:40:04.879 deliver it? And so that can get in the way 0:40:04.880 --> 0:40:06.600 of actually being present in the process. 0:40:07.040 --> 0:40:09.920 Yeah, because because we're just like, what's the output? What's 0:40:09.960 --> 0:40:10.759 the output here? 0:40:11.280 --> 0:40:14.239 Yeah, totally. And I try to reframe things to think 0:40:14.280 --> 0:40:18.160 about that I'm here to be in this and at 0:40:18.160 --> 0:40:20.480 the at the back end of it, I'll get out 0:40:20.520 --> 0:40:21.759 of it what I get or guess the front end 0:40:21.760 --> 0:40:22.800 of it, like, I'll get out of it when I 0:40:22.800 --> 0:40:24.400 get out of it, like, and then I'll figure out 0:40:24.480 --> 0:40:27.000 how what skills I get out of it. But not 0:40:27.160 --> 0:40:28.799 to try to be framing it. And this is something 0:40:28.800 --> 0:40:30.640 I've had to work on for myself. But not framing 0:40:30.640 --> 0:40:32.520 it in that moment of like what am I getting 0:40:32.520 --> 0:40:34.280 out of this? Is it a name? Is it a connection? 0:40:34.600 --> 0:40:37.520 Is it like a bullet you know, resume bullet point, 0:40:37.600 --> 0:40:39.680 But like to take take myself out of that kind 0:40:39.719 --> 0:40:43.120 of mindset and go into I'm going to be here 0:40:43.200 --> 0:40:45.640 and present with it, and I know that everything will 0:40:45.640 --> 0:40:48.000 build to the next thing, but like I actually will 0:40:48.080 --> 0:40:50.239 legitimately get the most out of it if I show 0:40:50.320 --> 0:40:53.440 up very authentically with the skill set that I have 0:40:54.200 --> 0:40:56.799 for better or worse, like whatever it is, with the 0:40:57.200 --> 0:40:58.960 like I now can recognize. I think this is the 0:40:58.960 --> 0:41:00.960 biggest thing that working on it campaign taught me right 0:41:00.960 --> 0:41:04.440 after college is that I'm great for vibes, Like I'm 0:41:04.440 --> 0:41:08.000 great for enthusiasm. You know you are you are? 0:41:08.239 --> 0:41:09.759 You are you really? 0:41:10.920 --> 0:41:12.759 You know, Like the first thing on a campaign, I 0:41:12.760 --> 0:41:14.279 was like, oh my god, I'm not smart the way 0:41:14.320 --> 0:41:15.799 that they are. I don't have the skills that they are. 0:41:15.840 --> 0:41:17.680 And I was like, oh, but actually I can keep 0:41:17.719 --> 0:41:20.600 my team working for long hours and like people want 0:41:20.600 --> 0:41:23.400 to work with my team, and I can attract people 0:41:23.480 --> 0:41:24.640 with honey or you know, like. 0:41:24.600 --> 0:41:27.160 Whatever the phrase is, that's right, And so. 0:41:27.239 --> 0:41:29.920 Just knowing that that can be enough, Like that can 0:41:29.960 --> 0:41:33.000 be it. That's okay, I can I can live with that. 0:41:33.000 --> 0:41:33.680 That's good for me. 0:41:33.760 --> 0:41:36.680 Now, when did that shift happen for you, that you 0:41:37.360 --> 0:41:40.279 that you felt that that was that was acceptable, that 0:41:40.280 --> 0:41:42.319 that was actually what you were bringing to the table 0:41:42.320 --> 0:41:45.040 in some of these environments where you didn't feel like 0:41:45.120 --> 0:41:46.600 you were numero uno. 0:41:47.520 --> 0:41:49.839 It really was on that first campaign that I worked 0:41:49.840 --> 0:41:52.520 on after college, like everything I had gotten in college 0:41:52.520 --> 0:41:55.680 had been so reinforcing to me that I was not 0:41:55.960 --> 0:41:59.080 smart and that I would not be professionally successful, and 0:41:59.120 --> 0:42:01.360 then I may have to try to nepo maybe myself 0:42:01.360 --> 0:42:03.640 into the world if I was going to, you know, 0:42:03.680 --> 0:42:06.560 be working in any serious capacity. You know, my advisor 0:42:06.560 --> 0:42:08.080 told me I would never amount to anything, so like 0:42:08.080 --> 0:42:10.480 it was actually told me quite directly. But it was 0:42:10.560 --> 0:42:14.319 on that first campaign where I think campaigns are such 0:42:14.360 --> 0:42:17.319 a good way to start in a career because it 0:42:17.400 --> 0:42:21.000 really is a meritocracy. Like there's no time, there's no 0:42:21.120 --> 0:42:24.319 time to consider, oh did they work hard? Like did 0:42:24.360 --> 0:42:27.640 they make it into the room? Like right right, Like 0:42:27.719 --> 0:42:29.600 by the time you have figured out who's sitting at 0:42:29.600 --> 0:42:31.920 the table with you, you've moved on to the next thing, correct, 0:42:32.000 --> 0:42:34.840 So you can work your way up very if you 0:42:35.000 --> 0:42:38.120 work hard on a campaign, you will get that in return, 0:42:38.200 --> 0:42:40.520 you will see that reflected. And so they gave me 0:42:40.560 --> 0:42:44.400 a lot of responsibility very quickly on that campaign because 0:42:44.480 --> 0:42:46.759 I could keep the enthusiasm up and I could keep 0:42:46.840 --> 0:42:50.120 the trains moving because people wanted to work with me. 0:42:50.920 --> 0:42:54.120 And so I was like, oh, actually, is this a 0:42:54.160 --> 0:42:56.880 workplace skill? Like I think this is I think this 0:42:56.920 --> 0:42:59.560 is a skill. Perhaps it was not a skill in 0:42:59.600 --> 0:43:01.120 law school, which was my. 0:43:01.120 --> 0:43:05.240 Next right right, which is like very again so old school, 0:43:05.600 --> 0:43:08.520 so so regimented, and it's like it's literally like by 0:43:08.520 --> 0:43:11.520 the book where it doesn't exist. So you were you 0:43:11.560 --> 0:43:14.760 were again coming in as like a hurricane sort of saying, 0:43:14.840 --> 0:43:16.000 I don't know, why do we have. 0:43:15.960 --> 0:43:16.480 To do it like this? 0:43:17.120 --> 0:43:19.000 Well, well I didn't at all in law school, by 0:43:19.000 --> 0:43:21.080 the way, I went like heads down. I was like, 0:43:21.200 --> 0:43:24.680 I'm terrified. I cried every day of the first year, 0:43:24.840 --> 0:43:27.080 for sure. I cried every day. And I was like, 0:43:27.160 --> 0:43:29.360 I just need to buck up this part of me 0:43:29.400 --> 0:43:31.719 that I'm insecure about. But I'm going to go headfirst 0:43:31.760 --> 0:43:34.120 into it because I've had this little bit of confirmation 0:43:34.200 --> 0:43:36.360 for working on a campaign that I think that I 0:43:36.400 --> 0:43:39.319 might be smart enough to do this, and I had 0:43:39.360 --> 0:43:42.680 that glimmer. So I need to overcompensate in the academic 0:43:42.719 --> 0:43:44.719 part of it now to prove to myself that I'm 0:43:44.719 --> 0:43:46.440 allowed to be here, to prove to everyone else that 0:43:46.480 --> 0:43:48.520 I'm allowed to be here, Like I'm not I'm supposed 0:43:48.560 --> 0:43:51.440 to be here. But so I had to really overcompensate 0:43:51.520 --> 0:43:54.120 in that. It's the time that I felt the least 0:43:54.320 --> 0:43:58.279 like myself, But I'm also incredibly happy that I did it. 0:43:58.280 --> 0:43:59.440 Like my mom's always like, why are you going to 0:43:59.480 --> 0:44:00.839 be a lawyer? And like that ship is sailed. 0:44:01.200 --> 0:44:03.920 It's like it's like, listen, that was just background info 0:44:04.160 --> 0:44:06.160 that just like helps me know when I should try 0:44:06.200 --> 0:44:06.959 to maybe see someone. 0:44:07.000 --> 0:44:10.360 That's it. I'm literally I like badly read my own contracts. 0:44:11.400 --> 0:44:13.799 It's pretty much when it comes down to now, right, 0:44:13.920 --> 0:44:16.680 But I do think it led me to be able 0:44:16.760 --> 0:44:19.719 to have the confidence to be in a room where 0:44:19.800 --> 0:44:22.880 serious things are being discussed and serious things are happening. 0:44:23.120 --> 0:44:26.840 When we worked at SLDN, I had to represent their interests, 0:44:27.200 --> 0:44:29.720 and when I was in that room representing our clients, 0:44:30.000 --> 0:44:32.799 they didn't care if I was insecure in my childhood. 0:44:33.719 --> 0:44:35.960 What mattered is that I showed up for our clients, 0:44:36.640 --> 0:44:38.680 and so it was the law school training that gave 0:44:38.719 --> 0:44:41.360 me the confidence to be able to do it. Yeah. 0:44:41.400 --> 0:44:45.319 Absolutely, it was a framework for you, and like you said, 0:44:45.320 --> 0:44:47.080 it was a confidence builder because you were like, it 0:44:47.160 --> 0:44:50.000 turns out I can do this. It doesn't mean I 0:44:50.040 --> 0:44:53.440 necessarily want to or that I'm enjoying it, but like 0:44:53.560 --> 0:44:55.880 it was a flex that you needed to do for yourself. 0:44:55.920 --> 0:44:59.960 That meant, Okay, that part of me has been exploring, 0:45:00.160 --> 0:45:02.600 But now what am I really here to do? 0:45:02.600 --> 0:45:03.680 Do you think. 0:45:05.120 --> 0:45:11.640 That being serious and being taken seriously are the same thing? 0:45:13.520 --> 0:45:17.279 Ooh, that's so deep. I mean, I guess I would 0:45:17.360 --> 0:45:21.399 be case in point that it's not, because I do 0:45:21.560 --> 0:45:24.160 like to think that I'm taken seriously at this point 0:45:24.280 --> 0:45:27.280 in my life. But I definitely show up not serious, 0:45:27.520 --> 0:45:29.719 Like I do have bright purple hair, I do dress 0:45:29.760 --> 0:45:31.960 the way I want to dress, and I bring all 0:45:31.960 --> 0:45:34.160 of it with me. I mean, you know, I'm on 0:45:34.200 --> 0:45:38.320 the school board. And I also performed Poor Unfortunate Souls 0:45:38.840 --> 0:45:42.359 in a drag outfit at the school talent show. So 0:45:42.520 --> 0:45:45.040 with my children getting around, my children ran around me 0:45:45.080 --> 0:45:45.760 as the eels. 0:45:46.200 --> 0:45:49.279 Yeah, that feels exactly on brand. For what you would 0:45:49.280 --> 0:45:52.719 be doing in January. I'm twenty twenty four, so no, 0:45:52.880 --> 0:45:56.000 I think. I mean, my point of that question is 0:45:56.880 --> 0:46:02.399 you are showing yourself, the world and other people that 0:46:02.480 --> 0:46:08.000 you don't have to be stereotypically serious to be taken seriously, 0:46:09.160 --> 0:46:12.600 and that we do actually have to push that definition 0:46:12.800 --> 0:46:16.520 in those spaces that tend to be much more old 0:46:16.560 --> 0:46:20.760 school and like historically a certain way because it's not working. 0:46:21.120 --> 0:46:21.920 It's not working. 0:46:22.520 --> 0:46:25.759 Yeah, So I am I just deeply admire that you 0:46:25.960 --> 0:46:28.360 are showing up in the way that feels right to 0:46:28.440 --> 0:46:31.480 you now because it is being taken fucking seriously. 0:46:32.560 --> 0:46:35.160 Yeah, well, I appreciate that. I mean, I think that 0:46:36.400 --> 0:46:38.640 I also think I had to let go a little 0:46:38.680 --> 0:46:42.319 bit of meeting other people's expectations, even though like it's 0:46:42.440 --> 0:46:44.160 very ingrained in me, it's hard for me not to. 0:46:45.239 --> 0:46:47.719 But also the thing that took me to my lowest 0:46:48.040 --> 0:46:50.840 during COVID and even a little bit preceding that, was 0:46:50.880 --> 0:46:54.800 that my greatest fear was realized. Like my greatest fear 0:46:55.040 --> 0:46:57.840 was that people would think that I had nepoed my 0:46:57.920 --> 0:47:00.760 way into a room and that I hadn't earned it it. Yeah, 0:47:00.760 --> 0:47:02.319 and when I found out that people were saying it 0:47:02.320 --> 0:47:04.640 about me anyway, no matter how much I had sacrificed 0:47:04.640 --> 0:47:08.000 and how hard I had worked, it was actually really freeing. 0:47:08.600 --> 0:47:11.520 Yeah right, because it's like, well, guess what, it doesn't 0:47:11.520 --> 0:47:13.880 actually matter what I do, because people are gonna have 0:47:13.920 --> 0:47:16.719 their own narrative. So all we can decide is who 0:47:16.719 --> 0:47:19.560 has access to us, who we give that attention and 0:47:19.640 --> 0:47:22.759 time to, and and who we just walk the fuck 0:47:22.800 --> 0:47:23.799 away from. 0:47:24.200 --> 0:47:28.200 Yeah, totally, Like once I had, I had done so much, 0:47:28.440 --> 0:47:30.960 like such a personal sacrifice to myself to make sure 0:47:31.000 --> 0:47:34.640 that other people thought that I had earned my place, 0:47:34.719 --> 0:47:37.160 and they still didn't believe it. So then I just 0:47:37.200 --> 0:47:41.960 started saying, well then fuck em, fuck em Like then 0:47:42.040 --> 0:47:45.280 I'm real, like for real, like I'm actually just gonna 0:47:45.280 --> 0:47:48.360 do what makes me happy, and people can think that 0:47:48.400 --> 0:47:52.200 it's serious or not serious, but I'll just keep showing 0:47:52.280 --> 0:47:53.759 up in the way that I want to show up, 0:47:54.080 --> 0:47:58.160 and you'll know to take me seriously by what I bring, 0:47:59.440 --> 0:48:04.720 and if you don't, it's your loss, honestly, because I'm happy. 0:48:05.920 --> 0:48:07.480 It is absolutely their loss. 0:48:07.680 --> 0:48:11.080 And it turns out that like your joy and happiness 0:48:11.880 --> 0:48:14.880 should be really from center in your life, right, that 0:48:14.960 --> 0:48:17.520 should be not something that you work really hard to earn, 0:48:17.560 --> 0:48:19.680 but it should be the way the way through. 0:48:20.480 --> 0:48:22.240 So keep doing that, sister. 0:48:22.360 --> 0:48:26.480 Okay, I want us to wrap with this little exercise 0:48:26.520 --> 0:48:29.880 that I do where I'm going to say three sentences 0:48:30.400 --> 0:48:32.640 and I want you to fill in the blank with 0:48:33.040 --> 0:48:36.239 what feels most right to you right now in describing 0:48:36.360 --> 0:48:37.960 kind of where you've been, where you are, and where 0:48:37.960 --> 0:48:44.719 you're going. So the three sentences are, I was, I am. 0:48:44.760 --> 0:48:54.680 I will be Okay, I was insecure, I am truly 0:48:54.760 --> 0:49:01.359 comfortable in my skin. I will be owner of the 0:49:01.480 --> 0:49:06.359 reigning championship team for a long time. Got them FC. 0:49:07.600 --> 0:49:11.920 Yeah you will, maybe, yes you will. I was so 0:49:12.000 --> 0:49:14.120 honored to be with you a few weeks ago in 0:49:14.160 --> 0:49:17.800 New York when you announced your four newest players, and 0:49:18.120 --> 0:49:20.799 it was such an incredible day for women's sports, for 0:49:20.960 --> 0:49:24.239 women in general, for where we're all headed and what 0:49:24.280 --> 0:49:26.480 you all are doing to shine a light on this 0:49:27.200 --> 0:49:31.279 important sort of just grounding experience that so many of 0:49:31.360 --> 0:49:34.239 us have had that have built our confidence and helped 0:49:34.320 --> 0:49:37.160 us see and feel who we are, and that you're 0:49:37.200 --> 0:49:40.479 also telling these stories across other mediums in your Sheep 0:49:40.480 --> 0:49:45.279 Pivots podcast, and am really in every room that you enter, and. 0:49:45.239 --> 0:49:47.920 So we will talk about Can I talk about got 0:49:47.960 --> 0:49:50.440 Them for a second? Is that okay? Okay, you can. 0:49:50.960 --> 0:49:52.600 I'm like, we haven't talked about got them yet? Know 0:49:52.640 --> 0:49:53.080 we here. 0:49:53.120 --> 0:49:54.719 We are here to hype you and everything that you 0:49:54.760 --> 0:49:55.200 care about. 0:49:55.280 --> 0:49:56.960 Okay, Well, first of all, thank you so much for 0:49:56.960 --> 0:49:58.759 coming to the announcement. I thought it was a great day. 0:49:58.840 --> 0:49:59.719 It was such a great day. 0:49:59.760 --> 0:50:03.359 I mean again, like I wrote about like my you know, 0:50:03.400 --> 0:50:06.640 twenty six soccer year playing heart like the little girl 0:50:06.640 --> 0:50:09.319 and me being like I can't believe I am near 0:50:09.840 --> 0:50:12.160 real live professional soccer players. 0:50:12.160 --> 0:50:13.000 This is insanity. 0:50:13.080 --> 0:50:15.840 So yeah, I like keep asking them questions. I'm like, 0:50:16.000 --> 0:50:18.840 what do you lift? Like like I just want to 0:50:18.840 --> 0:50:21.880 know how strong they are? Right, what do you lift? 0:50:22.320 --> 0:50:23.719 I'm like so impressed. 0:50:23.760 --> 0:50:24.600 It's so fun. 0:50:24.760 --> 0:50:27.319 I'm so psyched about it. So this came about. This 0:50:27.400 --> 0:50:30.359 is really, this is like really my sister's thing. So 0:50:30.840 --> 0:50:32.759 and I actually didn't play sports, like I was so 0:50:33.480 --> 0:50:36.040 admiring of your posts that you played sports forever. I didn't. 0:50:36.080 --> 0:50:38.640 I was like a nerdy theater kid who actually couldn't 0:50:38.640 --> 0:50:39.960 even make it onto the stage because I wasn't even 0:50:39.960 --> 0:50:42.880 talented enough to do that so I was a side player. 0:50:43.680 --> 0:50:45.120 But I love it because because. 0:50:44.920 --> 0:50:47.719 Your talent wasn't recognized. That's how I'd like to reframe that, 0:50:47.760 --> 0:50:49.120 because that's not fucking true. 0:50:50.200 --> 0:50:51.080 Well I don't. 0:50:53.000 --> 0:50:55.520 That is so wonderful and generous of you. But I 0:50:55.600 --> 0:50:58.000 also think we can know where our strengths and Okay, 0:50:58.000 --> 0:51:00.240 I like I like to say in karaoke, what I 0:51:00.320 --> 0:51:02.799 lack in talent, I make up for an enthusiasm. 0:51:02.880 --> 0:51:03.680 That's the damn truth. 0:51:03.800 --> 0:51:06.040 Okay, I keep going, We're reframing our Okay, So my 0:51:06.080 --> 0:51:08.759 sister has a background in sports. My family has been 0:51:08.920 --> 0:51:11.439 in sports for a long time, but my sister really 0:51:11.480 --> 0:51:14.600 has a substantive experience. She ran, She built the brand 0:51:14.600 --> 0:51:17.839 for Peloton in marketing, so she built the global brand. Yes, 0:51:18.040 --> 0:51:20.480 this opportunity came up to say. She started doing some 0:51:20.520 --> 0:51:23.839 sports investing on behalf of our family and seeing that 0:51:24.080 --> 0:51:28.719 women's soccer in particular is like the investment right now, 0:51:28.719 --> 0:51:31.799 like this is this is what is busting. Yep, this 0:51:31.880 --> 0:51:34.239 is what is bumping. And she started meeting with more 0:51:34.280 --> 0:51:36.200 people and they're like, you're in New York, Like you 0:51:36.200 --> 0:51:38.400 guys should be the New York team. And so it 0:51:38.400 --> 0:51:40.080 all came about in some ways kind of quickly and 0:51:40.080 --> 0:51:41.719 in some ways it didn't really intend to do it. 0:51:42.120 --> 0:51:43.920 But again, this is like my sister is leading an 0:51:43.920 --> 0:51:47.480 ownership group on behalf of our family, and so I'm 0:51:47.520 --> 0:51:49.520 just there to support her. I'm very excited about it. 0:51:49.560 --> 0:51:51.080 I kind of like the idea of women's soccer, but 0:51:51.120 --> 0:51:52.279 I don't know a ton and I'm kind of just 0:51:52.280 --> 0:51:55.640 there to support her. From the minute we hit the 0:51:55.640 --> 0:51:57.520 ground and I mean literally hit the ground because this 0:51:57.680 --> 0:52:01.399 never happens. That we signed the deal on Wednesday, our 0:52:01.440 --> 0:52:05.000 team was in the championship game. We landed on Friday 0:52:05.040 --> 0:52:07.760 and won the championship on Saturday. I can't. 0:52:07.960 --> 0:52:10.000 I mean, like, what a week? 0:52:10.280 --> 0:52:11.000 Like what a week? 0:52:11.040 --> 0:52:11.239 Girl? 0:52:11.280 --> 0:52:13.520 You're like, I am really glad I bought this bomber 0:52:13.600 --> 0:52:16.640 jacket because I'm repping this. 0:52:16.800 --> 0:52:19.279 Oh oh by the way, that bomber jacket came from 0:52:19.320 --> 0:52:20.839 one of the staff members. I was like, I don't 0:52:20.840 --> 0:52:21.399 have enough gear. 0:52:21.480 --> 0:52:22.080 Oh my god. 0:52:22.880 --> 0:52:25.319 I was like, where's our box of these? Yes, I 0:52:25.320 --> 0:52:27.000 mean I almost didn't even go to the championship game 0:52:27.000 --> 0:52:28.799 because I just felt kind of disconnected from it, like 0:52:28.840 --> 0:52:30.040 it was my I was. So I was there to 0:52:30.080 --> 0:52:33.239 support my sister and from the minute we got there, 0:52:33.280 --> 0:52:35.359 it was so clear that this league has just been 0:52:35.480 --> 0:52:40.120 so underinvested in and the players deserve so much better. 0:52:41.280 --> 0:52:44.600 Like I was emotionally invested from the second we got there. 0:52:44.640 --> 0:52:47.640 We stayed in this like two star hotel with the players, 0:52:47.640 --> 0:52:49.840 which I'm so glad that we did, yeah, because we 0:52:49.960 --> 0:52:52.239 really got to see them and see how much they 0:52:52.840 --> 0:52:56.239 love and support each other, how hard they work, like 0:52:56.320 --> 0:53:00.319 they are world class athletes and our country has not 0:53:00.360 --> 0:53:02.520 invested him in them in that way and the league 0:53:02.560 --> 0:53:05.520 has not now. And so I was again like I 0:53:05.560 --> 0:53:08.280 had no expectation of being involved in the team until 0:53:08.320 --> 0:53:10.160 I arrived and they were like, oh, could you help 0:53:10.160 --> 0:53:11.360 with this? Can you help with this? And I was 0:53:11.360 --> 0:53:14.080 like sure, And it did make me realize that the 0:53:14.080 --> 0:53:16.720 things that I had done, Like you look at my resume, 0:53:16.800 --> 0:53:18.960 it would not say she'd be doing a great job 0:53:19.000 --> 0:53:21.360 helping the championship team in their championship weekend, right, Like 0:53:21.360 --> 0:53:24.840 I don't say I didn't play sports, but you know, 0:53:24.920 --> 0:53:27.600 it's I do realize that everything in my background has 0:53:27.680 --> 0:53:31.440 led me to where they are weak, and therefore I 0:53:31.520 --> 0:53:34.480 can be of service to them. So like, for example, 0:53:35.360 --> 0:53:39.840 this women's soccer league every single league when they're champion wins, 0:53:40.120 --> 0:53:42.120 goes to the White House for a ceremony with the President, 0:53:42.239 --> 0:53:45.800 including Little League. Do you know who's never been invited 0:53:46.480 --> 0:53:47.240 women's soccer? 0:53:47.360 --> 0:53:48.279 Are you kidding me? 0:53:48.960 --> 0:53:53.640 Never? The US team went as part of the World Cup, 0:53:54.360 --> 0:53:58.400 but the US Women's World Soccer has never been invited 0:53:58.400 --> 0:54:00.480 to the White House for the championship. 0:54:00.800 --> 0:54:03.200 You're like, You're like, hold on, let me text someone. No, 0:54:03.239 --> 0:54:04.279 that's literally what I did. 0:54:05.320 --> 0:54:08.799 Let me text the beep. Okay, Like excuse me. 0:54:08.719 --> 0:54:11.719 For a minute. Like by the time we landed back 0:54:11.800 --> 0:54:13.800 on Sunday evening, I had like eight parts of the 0:54:13.800 --> 0:54:16.040 White House working on this. They were like, they're absolutely right, 0:54:16.120 --> 0:54:18.200 this is an oversight. We will get it. Like I 0:54:18.239 --> 0:54:21.560 actually know now that the White House Political Meetings flags 0:54:21.600 --> 0:54:24.160 this every week and it's like, do we have this 0:54:24.239 --> 0:54:26.879 on our schedule yet because we have to have it. Yes, 0:54:27.239 --> 0:54:29.719 and they're going to fix it. But like, this is 0:54:29.840 --> 0:54:32.000 this is just an example of how like these are 0:54:32.000 --> 0:54:33.680 my friends who work in the White House. I've worked 0:54:33.719 --> 0:54:36.200 with them for twenty years. That's right. They know that 0:54:36.239 --> 0:54:39.840 when I text them this, this is important, correct, and 0:54:39.840 --> 0:54:42.120 then I'm gonna And also they know I have credibility, 0:54:42.320 --> 0:54:44.040 Like they know that I'm not going to do something 0:54:44.080 --> 0:54:48.000 that is not aligned with them because I will tell 0:54:48.040 --> 0:54:49.960 the truth and I come from a place of credibility 0:54:50.000 --> 0:54:54.240 and I don't take short term wins for long term detriment, correct. 0:54:54.760 --> 0:54:58.040 So it was in this moment that I did feel like, Okay, 0:54:58.400 --> 0:55:01.040 the things that I have done did build me to 0:55:01.080 --> 0:55:04.319 be substantively be able to contribute here. So that's my 0:55:04.360 --> 0:55:04.839 Gotham thing. 0:55:04.920 --> 0:55:06.680 So girl, it's absolutely true. 0:55:06.680 --> 0:55:09.880 And I think I think the lesson here and the 0:55:09.960 --> 0:55:13.440 lesson that you keep learning as you let your intuition 0:55:13.520 --> 0:55:16.680 guide you to sort of what's next, is that it's 0:55:16.719 --> 0:55:20.040 not always going to look like a very clear line 0:55:20.400 --> 0:55:25.320 connecting something. But who you are not what you've necessarily 0:55:25.320 --> 0:55:27.520 even done or what you are known for. Who you 0:55:27.600 --> 0:55:32.440 are is what you are bringing to that organization, that mission, 0:55:32.640 --> 0:55:35.319 that group, that conference, that. 0:55:36.840 --> 0:55:37.160 Event. 0:55:38.280 --> 0:55:42.640 People follow will follow you through fire, right, and people 0:55:42.920 --> 0:55:45.200 trust you and they believe in what you're doing and 0:55:45.239 --> 0:55:46.560 they want to be around you. 0:55:47.280 --> 0:55:49.040 And by the way, that is true for every one 0:55:49.040 --> 0:55:51.080 of your listeners, Like all of that is true, Like 0:55:51.160 --> 0:55:55.439 be who you are and people will follow and work 0:55:55.480 --> 0:55:55.759 with you. 0:55:56.080 --> 0:55:59.720 Absolutely, And I think the thing to as we get older. 0:55:59.760 --> 0:56:02.319 You know, I definitely had that pivot moment when I 0:56:02.320 --> 0:56:04.759 turned forty, when I just there's this phrase that. 0:56:04.800 --> 0:56:05.879 Kept coming into my head. 0:56:06.680 --> 0:56:09.560 I will no longer abandon myself in service to others, 0:56:10.000 --> 0:56:12.040 because I had spent my entire career and even my 0:56:12.080 --> 0:56:15.839 personal life really feeling like my value, my worth came 0:56:15.840 --> 0:56:18.320 for my service and whatever I had to do to 0:56:18.360 --> 0:56:20.880 shape shift to meet that demand. 0:56:20.560 --> 0:56:21.879 Is how I was supposed to live. 0:56:22.600 --> 0:56:25.120 But when you figure out that that is not the truth, 0:56:26.120 --> 0:56:27.960 all of the haters, just like you said that, like, 0:56:28.239 --> 0:56:31.120 regardless of what you do, will always have their view 0:56:31.160 --> 0:56:35.600 of what you are. Their voice is just fade away, right, 0:56:35.640 --> 0:56:38.640 And so it is all about doing what you feel 0:56:38.680 --> 0:56:41.440 is right, like living your truth and surrounding yourself with 0:56:41.480 --> 0:56:42.480 people that are there for you. 0:56:43.120 --> 0:56:45.279 And that is clearly what you're doing. 0:56:45.280 --> 0:56:47.720 It's what you've done. It's why I was there, Listen. 0:56:47.760 --> 0:56:50.000 I know Carolyn, but I wasn't there because of Carolyn. 0:56:50.080 --> 0:56:52.200 I was there because of you, right, And so I 0:56:52.239 --> 0:56:54.440 think that's what's important to note is that so many 0:56:54.440 --> 0:56:56.960 of the people in that room were there because of you, 0:56:57.400 --> 0:56:59.360 And it doesn't matter that you didn't fucking play soccer. 0:56:59.520 --> 0:57:02.279 That's not what it's about, right, It's it's your. 0:57:02.800 --> 0:57:08.920 It's your like, your enthusiasm, your light, and also your 0:57:09.040 --> 0:57:12.160 perspective that is like, okay, we got to follow that. 0:57:12.320 --> 0:57:14.479 If em thinks this is important, something's up. 0:57:15.080 --> 0:57:17.880 Something's up. And so I hope that you continue to 0:57:17.920 --> 0:57:18.320 feel that. 0:57:19.080 --> 0:57:21.600 I love you, Erin, I love you too. I love you. 0:57:22.120 --> 0:57:24.640 I'm so proud of you. I can't wait to be 0:57:24.680 --> 0:57:27.960 at a Gotham game. I can't wait to continue to listen, 0:57:28.040 --> 0:57:31.080 to support and hype your podcast and show up in 0:57:31.080 --> 0:57:33.840 all the spaces where you are because you are doing 0:57:34.120 --> 0:57:37.840 such incredibly important work, not because of the family that 0:57:37.880 --> 0:57:42.040 you were born into, but because of the human that 0:57:42.080 --> 0:57:43.000 you have become. 0:57:44.400 --> 0:57:46.320 Well now I'm going to cry. Thank you. 0:57:46.360 --> 0:57:49.160 Crying is good, It's a it's a cathartic exercise. 0:57:50.120 --> 0:57:52.960 Thank you. You are the best, and you truly are you. 0:57:52.960 --> 0:57:55.640 You truly are the hype woman that you put out 0:57:55.640 --> 0:57:57.880 into the world. Like I just I really feel that 0:57:57.920 --> 0:57:59.840 from you on so many levels. No. Remember you grabbed 0:57:59.840 --> 0:58:02.200 me middle of the podcast party and you said, are 0:58:02.280 --> 0:58:06.720 you feeling it? Are you feeling it? And I was like, okay, yes, 0:58:06.760 --> 0:58:08.200 I guess I'm feeling it right. 0:58:08.200 --> 0:58:12.000 Right, It's like it's like, look around, everyone is here 0:58:12.080 --> 0:58:14.800 for you. Like it's so easy in those moments to 0:58:14.880 --> 0:58:16.000 just be like, oh, I got to take this picture, 0:58:16.000 --> 0:58:18.160 gotta do this thing. It's like no, no, no, you 0:58:18.200 --> 0:58:22.560 had an idea, you took the risk, you put your 0:58:22.840 --> 0:58:26.000 heart out into the world to be received and have 0:58:26.080 --> 0:58:28.680 commentary on, and then it led to this moment. 0:58:28.720 --> 0:58:29.560 These are the things, right. 0:58:29.720 --> 0:58:31.200 I say this all the time because I think it's 0:58:31.200 --> 0:58:34.800 really important, especially for people that dare to tell the 0:58:34.840 --> 0:58:38.840 world what they think. People with ideas are dreamers, right, 0:58:38.920 --> 0:58:41.240 and if they do People with ideas who do nothing 0:58:41.280 --> 0:58:46.280 are dreamers. People with ideas who do something are entrepreneurs. Right. 0:58:46.360 --> 0:58:48.920 They are founders, They are builders, they are creators. 0:58:49.320 --> 0:58:50.480 That is a much. 0:58:50.240 --> 0:58:51.480 Harder place to play. 0:58:51.920 --> 0:58:53.840 We can think of amazing stuff all the time, and 0:58:53.840 --> 0:58:55.680 then we are super safe and telling no one and 0:58:55.720 --> 0:58:59.439 doing nothing. When you put it out there, that's when 0:58:59.480 --> 0:59:00.520 the rubber me the road. 0:59:01.000 --> 0:59:06.080 Yeah, totally keep putting your shit out there, you too, lady, 0:59:06.560 --> 0:59:08.160 put it out Thanks. 0:59:07.880 --> 0:59:09.640 Am love you, thank you, love you. 0:59:12.160 --> 0:59:14.600 Thank you for spending time with us today. We hope 0:59:14.600 --> 0:59:18.200 you feel motivated, inspired and fired up to take on 0:59:18.600 --> 0:59:22.360 and burn down that patriarchy. We can't wait to see 0:59:22.400 --> 0:59:25.400 you again next time. 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