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Speaker 1: Welcome back to She Pivots. I'm your host, Emily Tish Sussman.

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Speaker 1: This week, we're doing things a little differently. It's spring

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Speaker 1: break for many of us parents, so as I'm currently

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Speaker 1: juggling entertaining three children, I wanted to share my episode

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Speaker 1: on a hype Woman, a podcast hosted by the magnificent

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Speaker 1: original hype Woman Aaron Gallagher. I'm dropping in the full

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Speaker 1: episode here, but you can also listen to it over

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Speaker 1: on her Hype Woman podcast feed, where you can listen

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Speaker 1: to more inspiring women like White House Press Secretary Karine

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Speaker 1: John Pierre and of course she Pivots Daves Daisy London.

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Speaker 1: In full transparency, I'm both a little excited and a

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Speaker 1: little nervous to share this episode. I've become so comfortable

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Speaker 1: on the other side of the aisle as the interviewer,

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Speaker 1: it feels vulnerable to share me as the guest. But

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Speaker 1: I hope you truly enjoyed this episode as much as

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Speaker 1: I enjoyed doing it. Aarin has an amazing ability to

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Speaker 1: allow her guests to speak honestly and truly hypes them up.

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Speaker 1: Be sure to follow Aaron at we Underscore Hype Women

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Speaker 1: on Instagram and check out her prolific LinkedIn enjoy. I

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Speaker 1: think that one of the real framing mindsets for me

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Speaker 1: and why I go so hard into everything that I do,

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Speaker 1: It's because I do still always feel like I have

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Speaker 1: to prove myself. I feel like I had to prove

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Speaker 1: myself for a long time. I come from a very

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Speaker 1: prominent New York family, and so people had a lot

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Speaker 1: of presumptions about me. Now, I think we'd call it

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Speaker 1: nepo babies, but they presumed that I didn't earn what

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Speaker 1: I achieved, and for a long time, I didn't feel

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Speaker 1: like I deserved most of it. That you know, I

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Speaker 1: had a hard time in school. I had very little

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Speaker 1: impulse control in talking in particular what was a big surprise,

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Speaker 1: But so I didn't do that well, Like I didn't

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Speaker 1: fit in, and so therefore I felt like I wasn't

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Speaker 1: living up to the expectations of my family. I wasn't

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Speaker 1: living up to the expectations of the city around me

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Speaker 1: and everyone I came in contact with, and so I

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Speaker 1: was really rebellious because if I couldn't fit in, then

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Speaker 2: Well, well, well, here we are episode number Lucky thirteen,

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Speaker 2: and this one My Friends is a real gem. I

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Speaker 2: always listen to our episodes three or more times before

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Speaker 2: I write the intros, and on this one, I was

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Speaker 2: cackling out loud each and every time I listened. There

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Speaker 2: is no one like Emily Tish Sussman, no one. She

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Speaker 2: is brilliant in all the ways street smart, book smart, style, smart,

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Speaker 2: whip smart. Every time I'm in her presence, I learn

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Speaker 2: more about the world and about myself, and I hope

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Speaker 2: you experience the same as you listen to this conversation today.

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Speaker 2: Emm and I talk a lot about her journey navigating

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Speaker 2: her identity as a woman, as a political commentator, as

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Speaker 2: a lawyer, as a mother of three, as a podcast host,

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Speaker 2: a media mogul, an owner of professional women's soccer team,

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Speaker 2: the New York New Jersey Gotham FC, as a member

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Speaker 2: of a prominent New York family have you heard of

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Speaker 2: the New York Giants. Emma has been underestimated at different

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Speaker 2: points throughout her life, and her response to this she

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Speaker 2: committed herself to being serious and taken seriously. So I

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Speaker 2: want to talk about the definition of serious. It's defined

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Speaker 2: in multiple ways. First, it's demanding careful consideration or application next,

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Speaker 2: acting or speaking sincerely and in earnest rather than in

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Speaker 2: a joking or half hearted manner, Significant or worrying because

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Speaker 2: of possible danger or risk. And lastly, substantial in terms

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Speaker 3: But when you think about how.

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Speaker 2: So many of us shapeshift to fit inside of a serious.

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Speaker 3: Box, it's limiting.

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Speaker 2: And for em that box could not contain her light.

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Speaker 2: So as she made herself smaller, more serious, and took

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Speaker 2: away the beauty that is who Emma is, she began

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Speaker 2: to lose herself. And it got me thinking, are being

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Speaker 3: Let's find out. I mean, it's gonna be It's gonna

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Speaker 3: be one for the books today, Isn't that right? Isn't

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Speaker 3: that right? Miss Emily Tish Susman.

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Speaker 1: I can I feel like I have no idea where

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Speaker 1: this is going to go, but it's we're going to

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Speaker 4: I think that's kind of the story of our friendship

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Speaker 4: is we don't know what's going to happen. Neither one

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Speaker 4: of us have the gene of embarrassment or overthinking behavior

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Speaker 4: before doing it, and so it is always entertaining. Sometimes

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Speaker 4: a cleanup that needs to happen. But like, but if

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Speaker 4: nothing else, the most authentic and vulnerable.

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Speaker 1: Right, one hundred percent. Like I feel like it didn't

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Speaker 4: I mean, and I think that's this is the journey

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Speaker 4: that we really want to we want to uncover and

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Speaker 4: I'm deeply grateful that we're here together. And as em

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Speaker 4: and I just said before we started, we wanted to

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Speaker 4: what the hilarity that will ensue over the course of

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Speaker 1: Like we could literally never stop talking between the two

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Speaker 3: Luckily never stop talking, right. And you know, we have

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Speaker 4: Interesting background that we didn't know was in common until

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Speaker 4: we were on a panel together for International Women's Day

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Speaker 4: last year, where afterwards you came up to me and said,

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Speaker 4: you know, my team pulled together the bios of the

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Speaker 4: other panelists just so I could have a little bit

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Speaker 3: And the reason for that is one.

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Speaker 1: And I was like, I was like, pull it together, ladies, sloppy,

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Speaker 4: Because never ever have I ever come across another person

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Speaker 4: who doesn't know what SLDN is, it is Service Members

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Speaker 4: Legal Defense Network. Entire mission was to lift the ban

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Speaker 4: on gays in the military, which we ultimately did, and

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Speaker 4: EM and I were both there at different times but

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Speaker 1: Yeah. Absolutely, I mean it was my first job after

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Speaker 1: It was my first job in Washington working in policy advocacy.

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Speaker 1: And I knew at the time like I'd never have

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Speaker 1: Rarely can you be both the direct services, like the

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Speaker 1: working on policy change, like it often doesn't happen in

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Speaker 1: And we really did it there, like we were so

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Speaker 3: It is so true.

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Speaker 4: Is it is such a small, scrappy organization that did

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Speaker 4: And so we're serving as legal aid for service members

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Speaker 4: Best, the best way forward. I this was my first

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Speaker 3: So I was so lucky to land this gig.

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Speaker 4: A connection because my mom was in the Coast Guard

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Speaker 3: They gave me a shot.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, it was so scrappy. I feel like I didn't

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Speaker 1: I don't. Do you remember the conference room? This was

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Speaker 4: Right, and it's like and and it was so big

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Speaker 4: And this is my attempt to synopsize in two sentences,

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Speaker 4: which is really difficult because of the impact that you've

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Speaker 4: it's really difficult when you are a person like you are,

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Speaker 4: who is ambitious, You're constantly moving, You're constantly onto the

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Speaker 4: next thing. I want you to really use the thirty

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Speaker 4: to take it in, and then we're going to talk

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Speaker 3: Okay, okay, all right, here we go.

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Speaker 4: Emily Tish Susman is a purple haired unicorn, the creator

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Speaker 4: and host of the award winning podcast She Pivots. A

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Speaker 4: Tony nominated producer, a Marie Claire contributor, a Democratic political strategist,

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Speaker 4: End of Sentence one, Sentence two. A mother of three,

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Speaker 4: and former VP of Campaigns at the largest Democratic think

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Speaker 4: tank in Washington, d C. Emily has produced Broadway hits,

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Speaker 4: founding member of her local Mom's Demand Action Chapter. Has

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Speaker 3: And the Director Circle at the Church.

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Speaker 2: Yeah.

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Speaker 4: If I looked at this, I would have been like,

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Speaker 4: why'd you put six people's bios into one?

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Speaker 3: And is like, no, no, no, that's all accurate. M

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Speaker 3: What is happening here? What's happening here?

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Speaker 1: Yeah, when you read all like that, it does feel

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Speaker 4: then when did you say, I'm going to let this

439
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Speaker 4: other part of me out.

440
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Speaker 1: I had to hit a real bottom, Like I really

441
00:22:26,280 --> 00:22:28,439
Speaker 1: had to hit a low. And it was when it

442
00:22:28,520 --> 00:22:30,399
Speaker 1: was during the pandemic, when I was locked in with

443
00:22:30,440 --> 00:22:32,760
Speaker 1: these three kids and my whole career had evaporated, and

444
00:22:32,920 --> 00:22:34,760
Speaker 1: I like, I mean, I couldn't work, I couldn't work

445
00:22:34,760 --> 00:22:37,240
Speaker 1: in my field, and I didn't know if I could

446
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Speaker 1: do anything else, Like I didn't know not only I

447
00:22:39,560 --> 00:22:41,400
Speaker 1: didn't know if anyone would hire me for anything else,

448
00:22:41,440 --> 00:22:43,760
Speaker 1: Like I actually didn't know if I was capable of

449
00:22:43,800 --> 00:22:47,040
Speaker 1: doing anything else because I had doubled down so hard

450
00:22:47,440 --> 00:22:50,439
Speaker 1: in political strategy and I didn't know who I was

451
00:22:50,600 --> 00:22:53,080
Speaker 1: without it, and that was really hard for me because

452
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Speaker 1: I had taken that as my identity to replace being

453
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Speaker 1: part of my prominent family, right, right, it was.

454
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Speaker 3: Like, yeah, you were, you were like this.

455
00:23:03,480 --> 00:23:09,480
Speaker 4: It's not that you necessarily fixed that need, you just

456
00:23:09,600 --> 00:23:10,239
Speaker 4: replaced it.

457
00:23:10,840 --> 00:23:11,040
Speaker 1: Right.

458
00:23:11,080 --> 00:23:13,320
Speaker 4: So it's like the same idea as like addiction, where

459
00:23:13,320 --> 00:23:14,679
Speaker 4: it's like, well, I'm not a smoke er.

460
00:23:14,640 --> 00:23:16,240
Speaker 3: Anymore, but man, I'm an alcoholic.

461
00:23:16,280 --> 00:23:18,240
Speaker 4: And I'm not saying that this is exactly like addiction,

462
00:23:18,280 --> 00:23:19,600
Speaker 4: but it's I probably.

463
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Speaker 1: Have a personality of an addict. That's a fair assessment.

464
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Speaker 4: Well, but what I think it is is like when

465
00:23:24,200 --> 00:23:29,119
Speaker 4: we have when we have these expectations of us, especially

466
00:23:29,280 --> 00:23:33,639
Speaker 4: that are about our lineage, which is truly our identity,

467
00:23:34,160 --> 00:23:38,040
Speaker 4: and we are trying to figure our way through them.

468
00:23:38,320 --> 00:23:42,040
Speaker 4: Relevance is always the top sort of need, right. The

469
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Speaker 4: desire is like am I relevant?

470
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Speaker 3: Am I relevant? Do people care?

471
00:23:45,480 --> 00:23:45,720
Speaker 1: Right?

472
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Speaker 4: And so so much of your work up until that

473
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Speaker 4: point had been about being relevant to whatever you were

474
00:23:52,000 --> 00:23:55,200
Speaker 4: throwing yourself into. Being behind the scenes feels real scary

475
00:23:55,240 --> 00:23:57,119
Speaker 4: because it's like everyone's going to forget about me.

476
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Speaker 3: What happens then.

477
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Speaker 1: So so, And I couldn't even work behind the scenes.

478
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Speaker 1: Like the way that I worked meant that I had

479
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Speaker 1: to be up on, like have the latest information at

480
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Speaker 1: all the time, at all times. And I couldn't get

481
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Speaker 1: the latest information because I wasn't working in a way

482
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Speaker 1: that would give me access to it.

483
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Speaker 3: No.

484
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Speaker 4: No, And I think when we think about what it

485
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Speaker 4: was to be a parent of small children in a pandemic,

486
00:24:20,440 --> 00:24:24,200
Speaker 4: and you have a really almost amplified example of having

487
00:24:24,400 --> 00:24:27,280
Speaker 4: three children under the age of three during that time,

488
00:24:27,800 --> 00:24:31,679
Speaker 4: you can't function. There is no functioning that occurs for

489
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Speaker 4: a parent that is living at home without childcare with

490
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Speaker 4: three small, very needy people.

491
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Speaker 3: How the hell did you get through that time?

492
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Speaker 1: A lot of crying, a lot of jumping in mud puddles.

493
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Speaker 1: We did that about twice a day. We buried a

494
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Speaker 1: dead bird for a little while. That was one activity.

495
00:24:49,800 --> 00:24:52,639
Speaker 1: But I just, you know, I just kind of like

496
00:24:52,760 --> 00:24:55,840
Speaker 1: kept one piece, Like for a little while, I kept

497
00:24:55,840 --> 00:24:58,399
Speaker 1: my political podcast going, even though it was like I

498
00:24:58,440 --> 00:25:00,680
Speaker 1: was doing a really shady job of it. No cared anymore,

499
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Speaker 1: Like I just kind of like kept one piece, just

500
00:25:03,160 --> 00:25:05,800
Speaker 1: to keep my brain involved. And then I actually gave

501
00:25:05,800 --> 00:25:09,120
Speaker 1: myself a pause. I gave myself six months, and I said,

502
00:25:09,160 --> 00:25:13,040
Speaker 1: I'm going to take this six months to just I

503
00:25:13,080 --> 00:25:15,159
Speaker 1: had been keeping myself busy, like I've been keeping the

504
00:25:15,600 --> 00:25:18,720
Speaker 1: political podpast, going to like give me something to hold on.

505
00:25:18,760 --> 00:25:23,040
Speaker 4: To, yeah, keep you tethered, right, yeah, right, Like keep

506
00:25:23,040 --> 00:25:25,720
Speaker 4: me the teathered to myself that was outside of child's care.

507
00:25:25,760 --> 00:25:27,280
Speaker 1: Yeah, taking care of my children and figuring out I

508
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Speaker 1: mean we moved eight times in eighteen months, Like where

509
00:25:29,640 --> 00:25:32,639
Speaker 1: do they go to school? You know, like give me

510
00:25:32,680 --> 00:25:36,399
Speaker 1: something that still felt like myself. And then I actually

511
00:25:36,440 --> 00:25:39,040
Speaker 1: gave myself a really dedicated time to say, let's just

512
00:25:39,359 --> 00:25:41,639
Speaker 1: do a lot of coffees. And they're probably virtual at

513
00:25:41,640 --> 00:25:43,840
Speaker 1: that point, but like, let me just have a lot

514
00:25:43,840 --> 00:25:46,760
Speaker 1: of conversations because I actually don't know who I am anymore.

515
00:25:46,840 --> 00:25:48,359
Speaker 1: Like I'm not ready to go out and say I'm

516
00:25:48,400 --> 00:25:50,680
Speaker 1: looking for this kind of job or I want to

517
00:25:50,720 --> 00:25:52,600
Speaker 1: create this kind of thing or be part of this

518
00:25:52,720 --> 00:25:54,560
Speaker 1: kind of system because I actually don't know what I

519
00:25:54,560 --> 00:25:57,800
Speaker 1: have to offer and I don't know who I am anymore. Yeah,

520
00:25:57,840 --> 00:25:59,840
Speaker 1: it was a big so it let.

521
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Speaker 4: Me like yes, like you like yes, I mean that

522
00:26:03,760 --> 00:26:06,800
Speaker 4: is I think that so many women felt that during

523
00:26:06,800 --> 00:26:07,200
Speaker 4: that time.

524
00:26:08,440 --> 00:26:11,080
Speaker 1: I really do and and I just started to like

525
00:26:11,440 --> 00:26:15,200
Speaker 1: make like build roots where we were and just start

526
00:26:15,240 --> 00:26:16,680
Speaker 1: one thing at a time, Like what do I want

527
00:26:16,680 --> 00:26:18,879
Speaker 1: to do? Well? I need advice, Like I need to

528
00:26:18,920 --> 00:26:21,840
Speaker 1: know that like I'm not dead, Like there's no parenting

529
00:26:21,880 --> 00:26:24,160
Speaker 1: advice out there that resonates with me right now, there's

530
00:26:24,200 --> 00:26:26,760
Speaker 1: no work advice that resonates for me, because everything was

531
00:26:26,760 --> 00:26:29,600
Speaker 1: about work life balance, which implied that you chose and

532
00:26:29,680 --> 00:26:31,760
Speaker 1: I was like, well, believe me, I would have never

533
00:26:31,880 --> 00:26:37,120
Speaker 1: chose this. Nope. So I needed to know that I

534
00:26:37,200 --> 00:26:40,280
Speaker 1: did it. I did create such high expectations for myself

535
00:26:40,280 --> 00:26:42,760
Speaker 1: and everything that I did that like if it can't

536
00:26:42,800 --> 00:26:46,919
Speaker 1: be this political career that I've spent fifteen years working

537
00:26:46,960 --> 00:26:48,359
Speaker 1: my ass off, Like I'm not going to have the

538
00:26:48,359 --> 00:26:51,040
Speaker 1: bandwidth to work in that way towards something else right now?

539
00:26:51,119 --> 00:26:54,520
Speaker 1: I just don't. Yeah, So, like, am I gonna be okay?

540
00:26:54,760 --> 00:26:57,080
Speaker 1: And is everything that I'm going to have done not

541
00:26:57,240 --> 00:27:00,719
Speaker 1: just have been a total waste? And so I started

542
00:27:00,760 --> 00:27:03,120
Speaker 1: thinking about who can give me advice in this way

543
00:27:03,160 --> 00:27:05,000
Speaker 1: and in the most selfish way possible. I was like

544
00:27:05,200 --> 00:27:07,200
Speaker 1: I want to talk to my idols, and I want

545
00:27:07,240 --> 00:27:09,160
Speaker 1: to talk to women who have gone through the shittiest

546
00:27:09,160 --> 00:27:11,520
Speaker 1: thing I can possibly imagine, and that makes my things

547
00:27:11,520 --> 00:27:12,280
Speaker 1: seem not that bad.

548
00:27:12,880 --> 00:27:17,120
Speaker 4: I mean, listen, it's there's perspective there. There's huge perspective there.

549
00:27:18,440 --> 00:27:21,840
Speaker 4: And so how did you embark on that? What was

550
00:27:21,880 --> 00:27:23,680
Speaker 4: sort of like what was the beginning like? And then

551
00:27:23,760 --> 00:27:27,080
Speaker 4: let's talk about how that evolved into something really powerful.

552
00:27:27,760 --> 00:27:29,760
Speaker 1: Well, I put a structure together of what I wanted

553
00:27:29,760 --> 00:27:32,120
Speaker 1: the content to be like, and the structure has even

554
00:27:32,160 --> 00:27:34,320
Speaker 1: evolved that. At the beginning, I was like, ten episodes,

555
00:27:34,359 --> 00:27:36,800
Speaker 1: feels like something I can manage. Let me see if

556
00:27:36,800 --> 00:27:38,679
Speaker 1: I can create it. I had worked with a production

557
00:27:38,800 --> 00:27:41,480
Speaker 1: company when I'd done the political podcast and had a

558
00:27:41,560 --> 00:27:43,800
Speaker 1: not good ending with them, so I was like, if

559
00:27:43,800 --> 00:27:45,639
Speaker 1: I build something, I'm building it from scratch.

560
00:27:46,040 --> 00:27:46,200
Speaker 4: Yeah.

561
00:27:46,280 --> 00:27:48,879
Speaker 1: But hello, I'm just sitting at the desk in my bedroom, like,

562
00:27:49,320 --> 00:27:50,840
Speaker 1: you know, like this is all new for me. So

563
00:27:51,080 --> 00:27:53,440
Speaker 1: you know, it was a lot of just like walking

564
00:27:53,480 --> 00:27:57,719
Speaker 1: around and like making notes on my note app figuring

565
00:27:57,760 --> 00:27:59,720
Speaker 1: it out, and the structure did change, you know. At

566
00:27:59,720 --> 00:28:02,200
Speaker 1: one point I met someone who was used to doing

567
00:28:02,720 --> 00:28:05,800
Speaker 1: or who had had an experience doing sales for big events,

568
00:28:05,840 --> 00:28:07,159
Speaker 1: you know, sort of like Women of the World's kind

569
00:28:07,200 --> 00:28:09,960
Speaker 1: of events. So I partnered with her to make it

570
00:28:10,000 --> 00:28:12,679
Speaker 1: an in person award and the podcast would be the

571
00:28:12,760 --> 00:28:16,040
Speaker 1: side side offering. And then she told me that she's

572
00:28:16,040 --> 00:28:17,800
Speaker 1: going to grad school full time and I had to

573
00:28:17,840 --> 00:28:21,439
Speaker 1: rethink it. At that point when I was ready to launch,

574
00:28:21,520 --> 00:28:24,000
Speaker 1: I was like, I came up with this thing. Oh,

575
00:28:24,000 --> 00:28:25,800
Speaker 1: I pitched every media company I could think of. My

576
00:28:25,800 --> 00:28:28,479
Speaker 1: friend Michelle Juwanda said, Emily, you are the media company.

577
00:28:29,160 --> 00:28:32,000
Speaker 1: Do not give your idea away to them. So then

578
00:28:32,040 --> 00:28:34,800
Speaker 1: I created the media company and pitched it to existing

579
00:28:34,920 --> 00:28:38,160
Speaker 1: legacy brands to partner with me on and then I

580
00:28:38,240 --> 00:28:40,320
Speaker 1: launched it so like I had this email list it

581
00:28:40,360 --> 00:28:42,720
Speaker 1: was created made up of all of my contacts, and

582
00:28:42,760 --> 00:28:44,800
Speaker 1: I was like, this is really scary. I'm really scary

583
00:28:44,800 --> 00:28:48,480
Speaker 1: of launching that I'm going to launch this podcast talking

584
00:28:48,480 --> 00:28:50,480
Speaker 1: about things that are personal and the way that I feel.

585
00:28:50,480 --> 00:28:53,680
Speaker 1: And I actually don't think that anybody wants to hear

586
00:28:53,720 --> 00:28:55,400
Speaker 1: the way that I feel. And I'm not even sure

587
00:28:55,400 --> 00:28:56,760
Speaker 1: that I want to hear the way that I feel.

588
00:28:56,800 --> 00:28:59,520
Speaker 1: But I'm trying it, and I'm nervous that people aren't

589
00:28:59,520 --> 00:29:01,320
Speaker 1: going to see me serious anymore, and then I'm not

590
00:29:01,360 --> 00:29:03,040
Speaker 1: going to see myself a serious But I'm launching it.

591
00:29:03,960 --> 00:29:06,400
Speaker 1: So I sent out this email to every person i'd

592
00:29:06,440 --> 00:29:10,080
Speaker 1: ever emailed with that said, here's my new podcast. It's

593
00:29:10,080 --> 00:29:13,680
Speaker 1: called Pivot. And within about ten days I got a

594
00:29:13,720 --> 00:29:17,280
Speaker 1: cease and desist order from Vice Media. Oh said, you

595
00:29:17,480 --> 00:29:20,640
Speaker 1: have violated the trademark we hold on Pivot in the

596
00:29:20,680 --> 00:29:22,560
Speaker 1: podcast category.

597
00:29:22,800 --> 00:29:25,680
Speaker 3: You're like, I'm excellent. Well at least someone's paying attention.

598
00:29:27,080 --> 00:29:29,360
Speaker 1: That is literally how I kept trying to reframe it.

599
00:29:29,440 --> 00:29:32,920
Speaker 1: I was like, Okay, I'm totally fucked and I totally

600
00:29:32,960 --> 00:29:35,920
Speaker 1: botched this roll out like the new me. And they're like,

601
00:29:36,200 --> 00:29:38,000
Speaker 1: just kidding, it's not listen.

602
00:29:38,040 --> 00:29:41,160
Speaker 3: I think a season assists, like you aren't. You haven't

603
00:29:41,200 --> 00:29:43,440
Speaker 3: made it until you've gotten a season assist. So like

604
00:29:43,840 --> 00:29:46,120
Speaker 3: so like slow clap for you girl.

605
00:29:45,960 --> 00:29:49,160
Speaker 4: Okay, yeah so you So you were like, I got

606
00:29:49,160 --> 00:29:52,840
Speaker 4: a Pivot my name right now.

607
00:29:54,280 --> 00:29:57,240
Speaker 1: And and Edna, who worked for me at the time,

608
00:29:57,280 --> 00:29:59,760
Speaker 1: and the lawyers kept coming up with like fifty different

609
00:29:59,840 --> 00:30:01,040
Speaker 1: names that I could use, and I was like, but

610
00:30:01,120 --> 00:30:04,120
Speaker 1: here's the problem with that name. It's not Pivot.

611
00:30:04,400 --> 00:30:05,040
Speaker 3: It's not pivot.

612
00:30:05,520 --> 00:30:08,760
Speaker 1: Yeah, so that's the problem with it. Yeah, once again,

613
00:30:09,160 --> 00:30:11,160
Speaker 1: let me refer back to the season Asis daughter.

614
00:30:11,440 --> 00:30:11,640
Speaker 4: Yep.

615
00:30:12,040 --> 00:30:13,960
Speaker 1: And then my mom came up with she pivots. Actually,

616
00:30:14,200 --> 00:30:16,479
Speaker 1: I had initially wanted to keep it just as pivot,

617
00:30:16,840 --> 00:30:18,560
Speaker 1: which they wouldn't let me because I wanted to be

618
00:30:18,600 --> 00:30:20,760
Speaker 1: able to include men. And then and I thought that

619
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Speaker 1: she pivots just made it too narrow. And then when

620
00:30:24,240 --> 00:30:25,600
Speaker 1: I thought about who I wanted to interview, I was like,

621
00:30:25,640 --> 00:30:27,120
Speaker 1: I actually don't really care about interviewing men.

622
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Speaker 4: So it's fine, and it's like and again it's like, well,

623
00:30:30,320 --> 00:30:32,880
Speaker 4: turns out also fifty one percent of the population, half

624
00:30:32,920 --> 00:30:36,040
Speaker 4: of the labor force is not narrow, and there's going

625
00:30:36,120 --> 00:30:39,600
Speaker 4: to be tons and tons of opportunity here and.

626
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Speaker 3: I think a lot.

627
00:30:40,600 --> 00:30:44,360
Speaker 4: Listen, the corporate world wants us to be afraid to

628
00:30:44,480 --> 00:30:46,880
Speaker 4: say we're just focusing on women, right.

629
00:30:46,800 --> 00:30:49,320
Speaker 3: We are continue we continue to be told.

630
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Speaker 4: Wah, I don't know if that's a category we can

631
00:30:52,400 --> 00:30:55,480
Speaker 4: publicly state we are going all in on. And when

632
00:30:55,520 --> 00:30:57,360
Speaker 4: you look at the numbers, it just doesn't make any sense,

633
00:30:57,440 --> 00:30:59,240
Speaker 4: especially when we know that eighty five percent of consumer

634
00:30:59,280 --> 00:31:00,960
Speaker 4: buying power is in the hands of women.

635
00:31:01,560 --> 00:31:05,680
Speaker 3: So so I'm so thrilled. I'm I'm thrilled you got

636
00:31:05,720 --> 00:31:06,600
Speaker 3: that seasoned assist.

637
00:31:06,720 --> 00:31:10,360
Speaker 4: I'm thrilled you decided to focus I wouldn't even say

638
00:31:10,440 --> 00:31:14,600
Speaker 4: narrow in Yeah, to focus on women and to make

639
00:31:14,640 --> 00:31:17,680
Speaker 4: this about what you really were intending to do from

640
00:31:17,720 --> 00:31:21,520
Speaker 4: the get go, which is to explore and examine your

641
00:31:21,600 --> 00:31:25,400
Speaker 4: own journey through the journeys of other women who have

642
00:31:25,920 --> 00:31:28,040
Speaker 4: dealt with what any of us who have had a

643
00:31:28,080 --> 00:31:31,320
Speaker 4: career and children know to be, which is those two

644
00:31:31,440 --> 00:31:34,880
Speaker 4: things coming up against one another and forcing us to

645
00:31:34,960 --> 00:31:36,680
Speaker 4: make some kind of choice.

646
00:31:37,320 --> 00:31:41,240
Speaker 1: Yep, yeah, yes. And and the thing that was very

647
00:31:41,240 --> 00:31:43,640
Speaker 1: specific for me as I was putting together kind of

648
00:31:43,640 --> 00:31:47,800
Speaker 1: the thesis of the show is that my story was

649
00:31:47,840 --> 00:31:49,520
Speaker 1: that my kids killed my career. And by the way,

650
00:31:49,520 --> 00:31:51,320
Speaker 1: I have a tote bag because my kids killed my career,

651
00:31:51,360 --> 00:31:52,600
Speaker 1: and if I haven't sent it to yet, I'm going

652
00:31:52,600 --> 00:31:53,360
Speaker 1: to yep.

653
00:31:53,240 --> 00:31:54,160
Speaker 3: But need it, need it?

654
00:31:54,280 --> 00:31:56,560
Speaker 1: Yeah, Yeah, you're gonna need that one. But I actually

655
00:31:56,640 --> 00:31:59,600
Speaker 1: was really specific not to book other women with the

656
00:31:59,600 --> 00:32:03,920
Speaker 1: same story as me, because there's so many things that

657
00:32:04,000 --> 00:32:07,800
Speaker 1: happen outside of us that change our perspective that then

658
00:32:08,080 --> 00:32:11,840
Speaker 1: lead us to something different. And again, very selfishly, I

659
00:32:11,920 --> 00:32:14,280
Speaker 1: needed to know what they were, like, I needed to

660
00:32:14,280 --> 00:32:16,920
Speaker 1: know how people got through them. So in the first season,

661
00:32:17,400 --> 00:32:20,200
Speaker 1: we had someone who came out of trans and was

662
00:32:20,280 --> 00:32:23,640
Speaker 1: kicked out of the military. We had a Holocaust survivor. Like,

663
00:32:23,680 --> 00:32:27,000
Speaker 1: we had a huge variety of stories, and that maintains

664
00:32:27,560 --> 00:32:29,920
Speaker 1: the most important piece of it for me, is having

665
00:32:29,960 --> 00:32:33,960
Speaker 1: the biggest variety of stories possible because we're all working

666
00:32:34,040 --> 00:32:36,920
Speaker 1: within the same frame. Is that, like, I didn't anticipate

667
00:32:36,960 --> 00:32:38,720
Speaker 1: this thing. It was going to rock me so much.

668
00:32:39,440 --> 00:32:41,680
Speaker 1: I kind of got gutted out, and then I was

669
00:32:41,840 --> 00:32:45,480
Speaker 1: better because of it, not in spite of it. Because

670
00:32:45,520 --> 00:32:46,959
Speaker 1: of it, I was better.

671
00:32:47,600 --> 00:32:49,400
Speaker 3: Yes, do you.

672
00:32:49,440 --> 00:32:52,680
Speaker 4: Feel like your biggest pivot moment was what happened in

673
00:32:52,720 --> 00:32:54,560
Speaker 4: the pandemic or was it something else?

674
00:32:54,840 --> 00:32:58,080
Speaker 1: No, without question, it definitely was. But I think that

675
00:32:58,280 --> 00:33:00,600
Speaker 1: even in the three years that I've been doing this show,

676
00:33:01,480 --> 00:33:04,200
Speaker 1: I've broadened. You know, I went all in on building

677
00:33:04,240 --> 00:33:06,560
Speaker 1: the media company, went all in on building the show.

678
00:33:07,000 --> 00:33:11,200
Speaker 1: And as my team has gotten more efficient and they've

679
00:33:11,200 --> 00:33:14,920
Speaker 1: gotten and we've gotten professionalized and we've been able to grow,

680
00:33:15,680 --> 00:33:18,120
Speaker 1: it's opened me up to be able to say, well, actually,

681
00:33:18,200 --> 00:33:21,560
Speaker 1: I can do other things and I want to, and

682
00:33:21,680 --> 00:33:24,120
Speaker 1: I started investing in Broadway shows, which, by the way,

683
00:33:24,160 --> 00:33:25,240
Speaker 1: producing is just investing.

684
00:33:25,520 --> 00:33:29,600
Speaker 4: I don't like lead produce, But guess what synonyms are

685
00:33:29,600 --> 00:33:31,760
Speaker 4: there for a reason, and so producing.

686
00:33:31,360 --> 00:33:32,040
Speaker 1: Is what we say.

687
00:33:32,400 --> 00:33:32,600
Speaker 4: I know.

688
00:33:32,640 --> 00:33:34,640
Speaker 1: I still have like a real insecurity about that too.

689
00:33:34,680 --> 00:33:36,880
Speaker 1: I'm like, I'm not like creatively putting a show together.

690
00:33:37,240 --> 00:33:38,920
Speaker 4: But you know what, you know, it's funny. I don't

691
00:33:38,960 --> 00:33:41,800
Speaker 4: agree with that, because here's what you do. By investing,

692
00:33:42,320 --> 00:33:45,880
Speaker 4: you are creating the space for creativity. You are creating

693
00:33:46,040 --> 00:33:50,960
Speaker 4: room for those on stage and writing behind the scenes

694
00:33:51,440 --> 00:33:55,040
Speaker 4: to go there. So it is a different form of

695
00:33:55,360 --> 00:33:59,520
Speaker 4: that idea of being a creative influence, and it matters.

696
00:33:59,800 --> 00:34:00,880
Speaker 3: So I own that shit.

697
00:34:01,560 --> 00:34:03,200
Speaker 1: You're right, I will own it. Well, So I've done

698
00:34:03,240 --> 00:34:07,000
Speaker 1: two shows now, and is there a thesis to why

699
00:34:07,040 --> 00:34:07,560
Speaker 1: I do it?

700
00:34:07,760 --> 00:34:07,880
Speaker 4: No?

701
00:34:08,040 --> 00:34:10,440
Speaker 1: I love it like I love it. That's that's that's

702
00:34:10,520 --> 00:34:12,080
Speaker 1: the answer, is that I love it. And I've seen

703
00:34:12,080 --> 00:34:13,359
Speaker 1: a lot of theater in my life, and I think

704
00:34:13,400 --> 00:34:16,040
Speaker 1: that I maybe have an opinion about it. So a

705
00:34:16,080 --> 00:34:18,719
Speaker 1: friend of mine presented this opportunity to invest in the

706
00:34:18,760 --> 00:34:20,880
Speaker 1: first show to me, for us to do it together,

707
00:34:21,160 --> 00:34:22,560
Speaker 1: and I said, well, I feel like if I go

708
00:34:22,600 --> 00:34:24,560
Speaker 1: into a new category, it needs to be on brand,

709
00:34:24,560 --> 00:34:25,960
Speaker 1: like is there a female director?

710
00:34:26,200 --> 00:34:26,279
Speaker 2: No?

711
00:34:26,760 --> 00:34:29,240
Speaker 1: Is there a female writer? No? Is there a female

712
00:34:29,280 --> 00:34:32,400
Speaker 1: lead producer? No? I was like, does it know women?

713
00:34:32,840 --> 00:34:33,200
Speaker 1: I don't like.

714
00:34:34,960 --> 00:34:37,320
Speaker 3: You're like, You're like, is there a woman bringing people water?

715
00:34:37,600 --> 00:34:38,920
Speaker 3: Like anything?

716
00:34:39,640 --> 00:34:41,880
Speaker 1: Just please give me something that I can hold on to,

717
00:34:42,520 --> 00:34:44,640
Speaker 1: and it ended up it ended up. It did end

718
00:34:44,719 --> 00:34:47,120
Speaker 1: up being groundbreaking in the sense that Alex Knew a

719
00:34:47,239 --> 00:34:49,680
Speaker 1: one best supporting actress for the first time as a

720
00:34:49,719 --> 00:34:54,400
Speaker 1: non binary actor, which is very exciting. But I felt like,

721
00:34:54,520 --> 00:34:57,000
Speaker 1: even going into this category of theater that it had

722
00:34:57,040 --> 00:34:59,560
Speaker 1: to be so on brand for me. And then I

723
00:34:59,600 --> 00:35:03,480
Speaker 1: was like, actually I like it, and also I think

724
00:35:03,520 --> 00:35:07,120
Speaker 1: it's going to be profitable, so that's good enough. So

725
00:35:07,280 --> 00:35:10,040
Speaker 1: I feel that's good enough. But I say, oh, this

726
00:35:10,120 --> 00:35:11,480
Speaker 1: is the example, like how did I get to this

727
00:35:11,520 --> 00:35:13,080
Speaker 1: point where I just like, give no Fox and do

728
00:35:13,120 --> 00:35:15,440
Speaker 1: exactly what I want to do. I think it's evolving,

729
00:35:16,000 --> 00:35:18,480
Speaker 1: and I think it also feels to me like I

730
00:35:18,560 --> 00:35:22,759
Speaker 1: have to establish myself, like this is my own insecurities

731
00:35:22,800 --> 00:35:24,560
Speaker 1: and I'm not going to project this on anybody else.

732
00:35:24,880 --> 00:35:27,799
Speaker 1: But I still hold this insecurity that if I do something,

733
00:35:27,840 --> 00:35:30,799
Speaker 1: I have to do at ten thousand percent. And so

734
00:35:30,920 --> 00:35:33,640
Speaker 1: I have to be established enough in the thing that

735
00:35:33,680 --> 00:35:35,520
Speaker 1: I am doing to be able to add.

736
00:35:37,280 --> 00:35:39,879
Speaker 4: That is so interesting, right, because that what that will

737
00:35:39,880 --> 00:35:41,520
Speaker 4: do is it will stop you in a lot of

738
00:35:41,560 --> 00:35:43,920
Speaker 4: cases from being a part of something that you deserve

739
00:35:44,000 --> 00:35:45,520
Speaker 4: to be a part of and that they deserve to

740
00:35:45,520 --> 00:35:49,920
Speaker 4: have you involved in. And it also means that we

741
00:35:50,080 --> 00:35:54,040
Speaker 4: have to fight this notion that we're not learners and

742
00:35:54,120 --> 00:35:56,440
Speaker 4: that we have to be experts in the field of

743
00:35:56,480 --> 00:35:59,440
Speaker 4: everything that we are participating in. You will get to

744
00:35:59,480 --> 00:36:02,000
Speaker 4: a point in some of these spaces that you are

745
00:36:02,160 --> 00:36:04,760
Speaker 4: entering and you are learning about where you do become

746
00:36:04,880 --> 00:36:08,719
Speaker 4: more established and have more expertise, but you're sure as

747
00:36:08,719 --> 00:36:12,120
Speaker 4: hell can't get there on day one. Yea, And so right,

748
00:36:12,160 --> 00:36:14,440
Speaker 4: And so like, I think there is so much merit

749
00:36:14,600 --> 00:36:18,280
Speaker 4: to women in particular saying when they're involved in something,

750
00:36:18,600 --> 00:36:21,040
Speaker 4: I'm here to learn and to be an observer and

751
00:36:21,080 --> 00:36:23,799
Speaker 4: to witness this as much as I'm here to contribute,

752
00:36:23,840 --> 00:36:27,840
Speaker 4: because my inherent value is not just in my service

753
00:36:27,880 --> 00:36:31,120
Speaker 4: to others. And if I view it that way, I

754
00:36:31,160 --> 00:36:33,160
Speaker 4: won't do things just because I love them. I'll do

755
00:36:33,200 --> 00:36:37,080
Speaker 4: them because I feel like I'm serving and like extricating

756
00:36:37,080 --> 00:36:41,520
Speaker 4: ourselves from that definition is confusing because it's all about

757
00:36:41,560 --> 00:36:43,200
Speaker 4: our value and our worth and our own mind.

758
00:36:43,920 --> 00:36:47,040
Speaker 1: Yeah, totally. I mean even you know, I served on

759
00:36:47,160 --> 00:36:49,360
Speaker 1: you know, we mentioned that I've been on school boards before.

760
00:36:49,719 --> 00:36:52,600
Speaker 1: I served on one board as an alum when I

761
00:36:52,640 --> 00:36:55,520
Speaker 1: was on it, and it wasn't a very gratifying experience

762
00:36:55,520 --> 00:36:57,319
Speaker 1: for me, Like I lived in a different city, it

763
00:36:57,360 --> 00:36:59,680
Speaker 1: was hard for me to really participate. I felt like

764
00:36:59,719 --> 00:37:01,360
Speaker 1: I was they are, quite frankly, as a stand in

765
00:37:01,400 --> 00:37:03,239
Speaker 1: for my family, so they could keep a connection to

766
00:37:03,239 --> 00:37:05,000
Speaker 1: my family, which I think is probably why I was there,

767
00:37:05,920 --> 00:37:07,879
Speaker 1: And I still did the full term, like I did

768
00:37:08,080 --> 00:37:11,800
Speaker 1: nine years. Sometimes I was than other I did it.

769
00:37:11,880 --> 00:37:14,000
Speaker 1: I did it for a long time. But then when

770
00:37:14,040 --> 00:37:16,800
Speaker 1: it came time for me to enter into a school

771
00:37:16,800 --> 00:37:20,160
Speaker 1: for my kids, I did have nine years of experience.

772
00:37:20,360 --> 00:37:23,640
Speaker 1: And so even though the first school board was it

773
00:37:23,719 --> 00:37:25,319
Speaker 1: kind of made me feel shitty, like it didn't really

774
00:37:25,360 --> 00:37:28,600
Speaker 1: feel like I was there for my own expertise. It's

775
00:37:28,600 --> 00:37:30,600
Speaker 1: made me feel a hell of a lot better about

776
00:37:30,600 --> 00:37:34,040
Speaker 1: my engagement on my kids' school board. Yeah, because I

777
00:37:34,040 --> 00:37:36,040
Speaker 1: have a point of comparison and I have experience that

778
00:37:36,120 --> 00:37:37,399
Speaker 1: quite frankly, nobody else has.

779
00:37:38,120 --> 00:37:39,040
Speaker 3: It's true. It's true.

780
00:37:39,040 --> 00:37:42,520
Speaker 4: And so sometimes like these these initial experiences that we

781
00:37:42,560 --> 00:37:45,160
Speaker 4: are sort of judging about whether or not we should

782
00:37:45,160 --> 00:37:47,680
Speaker 4: be doing them, it's actually it's a it's a stepping

783
00:37:47,719 --> 00:37:48,880
Speaker 4: stone to the other thing.

784
00:37:49,040 --> 00:37:50,440
Speaker 3: The thing that's really going to matter.

785
00:37:50,840 --> 00:37:53,520
Speaker 1: It definitely does, and it's actually given me a different

786
00:37:53,520 --> 00:37:55,759
Speaker 1: context to look back on that time that I spent

787
00:37:55,840 --> 00:37:58,600
Speaker 1: on that school board and think it really wasn't a waste,

788
00:37:58,600 --> 00:38:00,440
Speaker 1: that it built me up to this moment that now

789
00:38:00,480 --> 00:38:03,080
Speaker 1: I can be a much better contributing member because I

790
00:38:03,080 --> 00:38:04,920
Speaker 1: do care about you know, yes, I will enter a

791
00:38:04,920 --> 00:38:06,640
Speaker 1: space and say it's okay for me to learn, but

792
00:38:06,680 --> 00:38:10,520
Speaker 1: I do really care that I'm not just a placeholder.

793
00:38:10,600 --> 00:38:12,920
Speaker 1: Like I care that I actually contribute something and then

794
00:38:12,960 --> 00:38:14,920
Speaker 1: there it's the only way that I get something out

795
00:38:14,920 --> 00:38:16,600
Speaker 1: of it. It's how they get the best out of me,

796
00:38:17,440 --> 00:38:19,080
Speaker 1: and I do care about that. But I think a

797
00:38:19,120 --> 00:38:21,799
Speaker 1: lot of it just depends on like reframing the skills

798
00:38:22,320 --> 00:38:25,080
Speaker 1: as opposed to the specifics of something I've done before,

799
00:38:25,320 --> 00:38:27,400
Speaker 1: Like school board to school board is like a pretty

800
00:38:27,440 --> 00:38:31,680
Speaker 1: clear transferable set of skills, yes, but it could be

801
00:38:31,800 --> 00:38:35,120
Speaker 1: something different, you know, the school. The school board that

802
00:38:35,160 --> 00:38:37,360
Speaker 1: I'm on right now has spent the last ten years

803
00:38:37,719 --> 00:38:40,279
Speaker 1: trying to get a turning lane because it's dangerous to

804
00:38:40,280 --> 00:38:43,360
Speaker 1: take a left out of the school. And I basically

805
00:38:43,400 --> 00:38:46,000
Speaker 1: spent the fall running the school's government affairs getting this

806
00:38:46,080 --> 00:38:47,440
Speaker 1: turning lane in with a county.

807
00:38:47,840 --> 00:38:51,480
Speaker 4: Yeah, you're like, you're like, I have a background in this, right,

808
00:38:51,600 --> 00:38:53,640
Speaker 4: Like I can pull from some of that, you know,

809
00:38:53,640 --> 00:38:55,359
Speaker 4: And again, even even when you look at something that

810
00:38:55,440 --> 00:38:57,200
Speaker 4: is not as easy of a leap to make, where

811
00:38:57,200 --> 00:39:01,760
Speaker 4: it's like politics too broadway, Well, yeah, it's about community building,

812
00:39:01,800 --> 00:39:05,360
Speaker 4: it's about making people feel seen, it's about creating space

813
00:39:05,640 --> 00:39:06,640
Speaker 4: for diversity.

814
00:39:07,640 --> 00:39:09,600
Speaker 3: Then then we start to see the connection in the

815
00:39:09,600 --> 00:39:10,240
Speaker 3: through line.

816
00:39:10,600 --> 00:39:12,320
Speaker 1: Yeah, one hundred percent of Actually, there's a lot of

817
00:39:12,360 --> 00:39:15,360
Speaker 1: people similar to me that worked either in the Obama

818
00:39:15,400 --> 00:39:18,640
Speaker 1: administration or with the Obama administration where we felt like

819
00:39:18,680 --> 00:39:22,040
Speaker 1: we moved policy very quickly. Before we had moved hearts

820
00:39:22,040 --> 00:39:26,520
Speaker 1: and minds. And now we're in a storytelling space because

821
00:39:26,560 --> 00:39:29,680
Speaker 1: we're so committed to hearts and minds and feel like

822
00:39:30,280 --> 00:39:32,520
Speaker 1: other people can do the policy moving right now.

823
00:39:32,360 --> 00:39:33,879
Speaker 3: Other people can do the policy moving.

824
00:39:34,000 --> 00:39:35,600
Speaker 1: Yeah, but we moved it. We moved it too fast.

825
00:39:35,920 --> 00:39:36,240
Speaker 3: Yeah.

826
00:39:36,400 --> 00:39:38,399
Speaker 4: Now, I love that, I think And again, I think

827
00:39:38,480 --> 00:39:41,040
Speaker 4: so much of that is like when we feel like

828
00:39:41,320 --> 00:39:44,239
Speaker 4: everything has to have such incredible meaning, that's it's just

829
00:39:44,320 --> 00:39:45,120
Speaker 4: it's a lot of pressure.

830
00:39:45,200 --> 00:39:45,920
Speaker 3: It's a lot of pressure.

831
00:39:46,400 --> 00:39:48,520
Speaker 4: Sometimes we just have to to get up and go

832
00:39:48,600 --> 00:39:51,839
Speaker 4: and do it and see what happens with it and

833
00:39:51,880 --> 00:39:55,919
Speaker 4: not have always this end game in mind. And like again,

834
00:39:55,960 --> 00:39:58,040
Speaker 4: when you're a person who has the background that you've had,

835
00:39:58,600 --> 00:40:00,760
Speaker 4: it's it's always about like, am I going to package

836
00:40:00,760 --> 00:40:02,319
Speaker 4: this all up and sort of serve it up and

837
00:40:02,360 --> 00:40:04,879
Speaker 4: deliver it? And so that can get in the way

838
00:40:04,880 --> 00:40:06,600
Speaker 4: of actually being present in the process.

839
00:40:07,040 --> 00:40:09,920
Speaker 3: Yeah, because because we're just like, what's the output? What's

840
00:40:09,960 --> 00:40:10,759
Speaker 3: the output here?

841
00:40:11,280 --> 00:40:14,239
Speaker 1: Yeah, totally. And I try to reframe things to think

842
00:40:14,280 --> 00:40:18,160
Speaker 1: about that I'm here to be in this and at

843
00:40:18,160 --> 00:40:20,480
Speaker 1: the at the back end of it, I'll get out

844
00:40:20,520 --> 00:40:21,759
Speaker 1: of it what I get or guess the front end

845
00:40:21,760 --> 00:40:22,800
Speaker 1: of it, like, I'll get out of it when I

846
00:40:22,800 --> 00:40:24,400
Speaker 1: get out of it, like, and then I'll figure out

847
00:40:24,480 --> 00:40:27,000
Speaker 1: how what skills I get out of it. But not

848
00:40:27,160 --> 00:40:28,799
Speaker 1: to try to be framing it. And this is something

849
00:40:28,800 --> 00:40:30,640
Speaker 1: I've had to work on for myself. But not framing

850
00:40:30,640 --> 00:40:32,520
Speaker 1: it in that moment of like what am I getting

851
00:40:32,520 --> 00:40:34,280
Speaker 1: out of this? Is it a name? Is it a connection?

852
00:40:34,600 --> 00:40:37,520
Speaker 1: Is it like a bullet you know, resume bullet point,

853
00:40:37,600 --> 00:40:39,680
Speaker 1: But like to take take myself out of that kind

854
00:40:39,719 --> 00:40:43,120
Speaker 1: of mindset and go into I'm going to be here

855
00:40:43,200 --> 00:40:45,640
Speaker 1: and present with it, and I know that everything will

856
00:40:45,640 --> 00:40:48,000
Speaker 1: build to the next thing, but like I actually will

857
00:40:48,080 --> 00:40:50,239
Speaker 1: legitimately get the most out of it if I show

858
00:40:50,320 --> 00:40:53,440
Speaker 1: up very authentically with the skill set that I have

859
00:40:54,200 --> 00:40:56,799
Speaker 1: for better or worse, like whatever it is, with the

860
00:40:57,200 --> 00:40:58,960
Speaker 1: like I now can recognize. I think this is the

861
00:40:58,960 --> 00:41:00,960
Speaker 1: biggest thing that working on it campaign taught me right

862
00:41:00,960 --> 00:41:04,440
Speaker 1: after college is that I'm great for vibes, Like I'm

863
00:41:04,440 --> 00:41:08,000
Speaker 1: great for enthusiasm. You know you are you are?

864
00:41:08,239 --> 00:41:09,759
Speaker 3: You are you really?

865
00:41:10,920 --> 00:41:12,759
Speaker 1: You know, Like the first thing on a campaign, I

866
00:41:12,760 --> 00:41:14,279
Speaker 1: was like, oh my god, I'm not smart the way

867
00:41:14,320 --> 00:41:15,799
Speaker 1: that they are. I don't have the skills that they are.

868
00:41:15,840 --> 00:41:17,680
Speaker 1: And I was like, oh, but actually I can keep

869
00:41:17,719 --> 00:41:20,600
Speaker 1: my team working for long hours and like people want

870
00:41:20,600 --> 00:41:23,400
Speaker 1: to work with my team, and I can attract people

871
00:41:23,480 --> 00:41:24,640
Speaker 1: with honey or you know, like.

872
00:41:24,600 --> 00:41:27,160
Speaker 3: Whatever the phrase is, that's right, And so.

873
00:41:27,239 --> 00:41:29,920
Speaker 1: Just knowing that that can be enough, Like that can

874
00:41:29,960 --> 00:41:33,000
Speaker 1: be it. That's okay, I can I can live with that.

875
00:41:33,000 --> 00:41:33,680
Speaker 1: That's good for me.

876
00:41:33,760 --> 00:41:36,680
Speaker 4: Now, when did that shift happen for you, that you

877
00:41:37,360 --> 00:41:40,279
Speaker 4: that you felt that that was that was acceptable, that

878
00:41:40,280 --> 00:41:42,319
Speaker 4: that was actually what you were bringing to the table

879
00:41:42,320 --> 00:41:45,040
Speaker 4: in some of these environments where you didn't feel like

880
00:41:45,120 --> 00:41:46,600
Speaker 4: you were numero uno.

881
00:41:47,520 --> 00:41:49,839
Speaker 1: It really was on that first campaign that I worked

882
00:41:49,840 --> 00:41:52,520
Speaker 1: on after college, like everything I had gotten in college

883
00:41:52,520 --> 00:41:55,680
Speaker 1: had been so reinforcing to me that I was not

884
00:41:55,960 --> 00:41:59,080
Speaker 1: smart and that I would not be professionally successful, and

885
00:41:59,120 --> 00:42:01,360
Speaker 1: then I may have to try to nepo maybe myself

886
00:42:01,360 --> 00:42:03,640
Speaker 1: into the world if I was going to, you know,

887
00:42:03,680 --> 00:42:06,560
Speaker 1: be working in any serious capacity. You know, my advisor

888
00:42:06,560 --> 00:42:08,080
Speaker 1: told me I would never amount to anything, so like

889
00:42:08,080 --> 00:42:10,480
Speaker 1: it was actually told me quite directly. But it was

890
00:42:10,560 --> 00:42:14,319
Speaker 1: on that first campaign where I think campaigns are such

891
00:42:14,360 --> 00:42:17,319
Speaker 1: a good way to start in a career because it

892
00:42:17,400 --> 00:42:21,000
Speaker 1: really is a meritocracy. Like there's no time, there's no

893
00:42:21,120 --> 00:42:24,319
Speaker 1: time to consider, oh did they work hard? Like did

894
00:42:24,360 --> 00:42:27,640
Speaker 1: they make it into the room? Like right right, Like

895
00:42:27,719 --> 00:42:29,600
Speaker 1: by the time you have figured out who's sitting at

896
00:42:29,600 --> 00:42:31,920
Speaker 1: the table with you, you've moved on to the next thing, correct,

897
00:42:32,000 --> 00:42:34,840
Speaker 1: So you can work your way up very if you

898
00:42:35,000 --> 00:42:38,120
Speaker 1: work hard on a campaign, you will get that in return,

899
00:42:38,200 --> 00:42:40,520
Speaker 1: you will see that reflected. And so they gave me

900
00:42:40,560 --> 00:42:44,400
Speaker 1: a lot of responsibility very quickly on that campaign because

901
00:42:44,480 --> 00:42:46,759
Speaker 1: I could keep the enthusiasm up and I could keep

902
00:42:46,840 --> 00:42:50,120
Speaker 1: the trains moving because people wanted to work with me.

903
00:42:50,920 --> 00:42:54,120
Speaker 1: And so I was like, oh, actually, is this a

904
00:42:54,160 --> 00:42:56,880
Speaker 1: workplace skill? Like I think this is I think this

905
00:42:56,920 --> 00:42:59,560
Speaker 1: is a skill. Perhaps it was not a skill in

906
00:42:59,600 --> 00:43:01,120
Speaker 1: law school, which was my.

907
00:43:01,120 --> 00:43:05,240
Speaker 4: Next right right, which is like very again so old school,

908
00:43:05,600 --> 00:43:08,520
Speaker 4: so so regimented, and it's like it's literally like by

909
00:43:08,520 --> 00:43:11,520
Speaker 4: the book where it doesn't exist. So you were you

910
00:43:11,560 --> 00:43:14,760
Speaker 4: were again coming in as like a hurricane sort of saying,

911
00:43:14,840 --> 00:43:16,000
Speaker 4: I don't know, why do we have.

912
00:43:15,960 --> 00:43:16,480
Speaker 2: To do it like this?

913
00:43:17,120 --> 00:43:19,000
Speaker 1: Well, well I didn't at all in law school, by

914
00:43:19,000 --> 00:43:21,080
Speaker 1: the way, I went like heads down. I was like,

915
00:43:21,200 --> 00:43:24,680
Speaker 1: I'm terrified. I cried every day of the first year,

916
00:43:24,840 --> 00:43:27,080
Speaker 1: for sure. I cried every day. And I was like,

917
00:43:27,160 --> 00:43:29,360
Speaker 1: I just need to buck up this part of me

918
00:43:29,400 --> 00:43:31,719
Speaker 1: that I'm insecure about. But I'm going to go headfirst

919
00:43:31,760 --> 00:43:34,120
Speaker 1: into it because I've had this little bit of confirmation

920
00:43:34,200 --> 00:43:36,360
Speaker 1: for working on a campaign that I think that I

921
00:43:36,400 --> 00:43:39,319
Speaker 1: might be smart enough to do this, and I had

922
00:43:39,360 --> 00:43:42,680
Speaker 1: that glimmer. So I need to overcompensate in the academic

923
00:43:42,719 --> 00:43:44,719
Speaker 1: part of it now to prove to myself that I'm

924
00:43:44,719 --> 00:43:46,440
Speaker 1: allowed to be here, to prove to everyone else that

925
00:43:46,480 --> 00:43:48,520
Speaker 1: I'm allowed to be here, Like I'm not I'm supposed

926
00:43:48,560 --> 00:43:51,440
Speaker 1: to be here. But so I had to really overcompensate

927
00:43:51,520 --> 00:43:54,120
Speaker 1: in that. It's the time that I felt the least

928
00:43:54,320 --> 00:43:58,279
Speaker 1: like myself, But I'm also incredibly happy that I did it.

929
00:43:58,280 --> 00:43:59,440
Speaker 1: Like my mom's always like, why are you going to

930
00:43:59,480 --> 00:44:00,839
Speaker 1: be a lawyer? And like that ship is sailed.

931
00:44:01,200 --> 00:44:03,920
Speaker 4: It's like it's like, listen, that was just background info

932
00:44:04,160 --> 00:44:06,160
Speaker 4: that just like helps me know when I should try

933
00:44:06,200 --> 00:44:06,959
Speaker 4: to maybe see someone.

934
00:44:07,000 --> 00:44:10,360
Speaker 1: That's it. I'm literally I like badly read my own contracts.

935
00:44:11,400 --> 00:44:13,799
Speaker 1: It's pretty much when it comes down to now, right,

936
00:44:13,920 --> 00:44:16,680
Speaker 1: But I do think it led me to be able

937
00:44:16,760 --> 00:44:19,719
Speaker 1: to have the confidence to be in a room where

938
00:44:19,800 --> 00:44:22,880
Speaker 1: serious things are being discussed and serious things are happening.

939
00:44:23,120 --> 00:44:26,840
Speaker 1: When we worked at SLDN, I had to represent their interests,

940
00:44:27,200 --> 00:44:29,720
Speaker 1: and when I was in that room representing our clients,

941
00:44:30,000 --> 00:44:32,799
Speaker 1: they didn't care if I was insecure in my childhood.

942
00:44:33,719 --> 00:44:35,960
Speaker 1: What mattered is that I showed up for our clients,

943
00:44:36,640 --> 00:44:38,680
Speaker 1: and so it was the law school training that gave

944
00:44:38,719 --> 00:44:41,360
Speaker 1: me the confidence to be able to do it. Yeah.

945
00:44:41,400 --> 00:44:45,319
Speaker 4: Absolutely, it was a framework for you, and like you said,

946
00:44:45,320 --> 00:44:47,080
Speaker 4: it was a confidence builder because you were like, it

947
00:44:47,160 --> 00:44:50,000
Speaker 4: turns out I can do this. It doesn't mean I

948
00:44:50,040 --> 00:44:53,440
Speaker 4: necessarily want to or that I'm enjoying it, but like

949
00:44:53,560 --> 00:44:55,880
Speaker 4: it was a flex that you needed to do for yourself.

950
00:44:55,920 --> 00:44:59,960
Speaker 4: That meant, Okay, that part of me has been exploring,

951
00:45:00,160 --> 00:45:02,600
Speaker 4: But now what am I really here to do?

952
00:45:02,600 --> 00:45:03,680
Speaker 1: Do you think.

953
00:45:05,120 --> 00:45:11,640
Speaker 4: That being serious and being taken seriously are the same thing?

954
00:45:13,520 --> 00:45:17,279
Speaker 1: Ooh, that's so deep. I mean, I guess I would

955
00:45:17,360 --> 00:45:21,399
Speaker 1: be case in point that it's not, because I do

956
00:45:21,560 --> 00:45:24,160
Speaker 1: like to think that I'm taken seriously at this point

957
00:45:24,280 --> 00:45:27,280
Speaker 1: in my life. But I definitely show up not serious,

958
00:45:27,520 --> 00:45:29,719
Speaker 1: Like I do have bright purple hair, I do dress

959
00:45:29,760 --> 00:45:31,960
Speaker 1: the way I want to dress, and I bring all

960
00:45:31,960 --> 00:45:34,160
Speaker 1: of it with me. I mean, you know, I'm on

961
00:45:34,200 --> 00:45:38,320
Speaker 1: the school board. And I also performed Poor Unfortunate Souls

962
00:45:38,840 --> 00:45:42,359
Speaker 1: in a drag outfit at the school talent show. So

963
00:45:42,520 --> 00:45:45,040
Speaker 1: with my children getting around, my children ran around me

964
00:45:45,080 --> 00:45:45,760
Speaker 1: as the eels.

965
00:45:46,200 --> 00:45:49,279
Speaker 4: Yeah, that feels exactly on brand. For what you would

966
00:45:49,280 --> 00:45:52,719
Speaker 4: be doing in January. I'm twenty twenty four, so no,

967
00:45:52,880 --> 00:45:56,000
Speaker 4: I think. I mean, my point of that question is

968
00:45:56,880 --> 00:46:02,399
Speaker 4: you are showing yourself, the world and other people that

969
00:46:02,480 --> 00:46:08,000
Speaker 4: you don't have to be stereotypically serious to be taken seriously,

970
00:46:09,160 --> 00:46:12,600
Speaker 4: and that we do actually have to push that definition

971
00:46:12,800 --> 00:46:16,520
Speaker 4: in those spaces that tend to be much more old

972
00:46:16,560 --> 00:46:20,760
Speaker 4: school and like historically a certain way because it's not working.

973
00:46:21,120 --> 00:46:21,920
Speaker 3: It's not working.

974
00:46:22,520 --> 00:46:25,759
Speaker 4: Yeah, So I am I just deeply admire that you

975
00:46:25,960 --> 00:46:28,360
Speaker 4: are showing up in the way that feels right to

976
00:46:28,440 --> 00:46:31,480
Speaker 4: you now because it is being taken fucking seriously.

977
00:46:32,560 --> 00:46:35,160
Speaker 1: Yeah, well, I appreciate that. I mean, I think that

978
00:46:36,400 --> 00:46:38,640
Speaker 1: I also think I had to let go a little

979
00:46:38,680 --> 00:46:42,319
Speaker 1: bit of meeting other people's expectations, even though like it's

980
00:46:42,440 --> 00:46:44,160
Speaker 1: very ingrained in me, it's hard for me not to.

981
00:46:45,239 --> 00:46:47,719
Speaker 1: But also the thing that took me to my lowest

982
00:46:48,040 --> 00:46:50,840
Speaker 1: during COVID and even a little bit preceding that, was

983
00:46:50,880 --> 00:46:54,800
Speaker 1: that my greatest fear was realized. Like my greatest fear

984
00:46:55,040 --> 00:46:57,840
Speaker 1: was that people would think that I had nepoed my

985
00:46:57,920 --> 00:47:00,760
Speaker 1: way into a room and that I hadn't earned it it. Yeah,

986
00:47:00,760 --> 00:47:02,319
Speaker 1: and when I found out that people were saying it

987
00:47:02,320 --> 00:47:04,640
Speaker 1: about me anyway, no matter how much I had sacrificed

988
00:47:04,640 --> 00:47:08,000
Speaker 1: and how hard I had worked, it was actually really freeing.

989
00:47:08,600 --> 00:47:11,520
Speaker 4: Yeah right, because it's like, well, guess what, it doesn't

990
00:47:11,520 --> 00:47:13,880
Speaker 4: actually matter what I do, because people are gonna have

991
00:47:13,920 --> 00:47:16,719
Speaker 4: their own narrative. So all we can decide is who

992
00:47:16,719 --> 00:47:19,560
Speaker 4: has access to us, who we give that attention and

993
00:47:19,640 --> 00:47:22,759
Speaker 4: time to, and and who we just walk the fuck

994
00:47:22,800 --> 00:47:23,799
Speaker 4: away from.

995
00:47:24,200 --> 00:47:28,200
Speaker 1: Yeah, totally, Like once I had, I had done so much,

996
00:47:28,440 --> 00:47:30,960
Speaker 1: like such a personal sacrifice to myself to make sure

997
00:47:31,000 --> 00:47:34,640
Speaker 1: that other people thought that I had earned my place,

998
00:47:34,719 --> 00:47:37,160
Speaker 1: and they still didn't believe it. So then I just

999
00:47:37,200 --> 00:47:41,960
Speaker 1: started saying, well then fuck em, fuck em Like then

1000
00:47:42,040 --> 00:47:45,280
Speaker 1: I'm real, like for real, like I'm actually just gonna

1001
00:47:45,280 --> 00:47:48,360
Speaker 1: do what makes me happy, and people can think that

1002
00:47:48,400 --> 00:47:52,200
Speaker 1: it's serious or not serious, but I'll just keep showing

1003
00:47:52,280 --> 00:47:53,759
Speaker 1: up in the way that I want to show up,

1004
00:47:54,080 --> 00:47:58,160
Speaker 1: and you'll know to take me seriously by what I bring,

1005
00:47:59,440 --> 00:48:04,720
Speaker 1: and if you don't, it's your loss, honestly, because I'm happy.

1006
00:48:05,920 --> 00:48:07,480
Speaker 3: It is absolutely their loss.

1007
00:48:07,680 --> 00:48:11,080
Speaker 4: And it turns out that like your joy and happiness

1008
00:48:11,880 --> 00:48:14,880
Speaker 4: should be really from center in your life, right, that

1009
00:48:14,960 --> 00:48:17,520
Speaker 4: should be not something that you work really hard to earn,

1010
00:48:17,560 --> 00:48:19,680
Speaker 4: but it should be the way the way through.

1011
00:48:20,480 --> 00:48:22,240
Speaker 3: So keep doing that, sister.

1012
00:48:22,360 --> 00:48:26,480
Speaker 4: Okay, I want us to wrap with this little exercise

1013
00:48:26,520 --> 00:48:29,880
Speaker 4: that I do where I'm going to say three sentences

1014
00:48:30,400 --> 00:48:32,640
Speaker 4: and I want you to fill in the blank with

1015
00:48:33,040 --> 00:48:36,239
Speaker 4: what feels most right to you right now in describing

1016
00:48:36,360 --> 00:48:37,960
Speaker 4: kind of where you've been, where you are, and where

1017
00:48:37,960 --> 00:48:44,719
Speaker 4: you're going. So the three sentences are, I was, I am.

1018
00:48:44,760 --> 00:48:54,680
Speaker 1: I will be Okay, I was insecure, I am truly

1019
00:48:54,760 --> 00:49:01,359
Speaker 1: comfortable in my skin. I will be owner of the

1020
00:49:01,480 --> 00:49:06,359
Speaker 1: reigning championship team for a long time. Got them FC.

1021
00:49:07,600 --> 00:49:11,920
Speaker 4: Yeah you will, maybe, yes you will. I was so

1022
00:49:12,000 --> 00:49:14,120
Speaker 4: honored to be with you a few weeks ago in

1023
00:49:14,160 --> 00:49:17,800
Speaker 4: New York when you announced your four newest players, and

1024
00:49:18,120 --> 00:49:20,799
Speaker 4: it was such an incredible day for women's sports, for

1025
00:49:20,960 --> 00:49:24,239
Speaker 4: women in general, for where we're all headed and what

1026
00:49:24,280 --> 00:49:26,480
Speaker 4: you all are doing to shine a light on this

1027
00:49:27,200 --> 00:49:31,279
Speaker 4: important sort of just grounding experience that so many of

1028
00:49:31,360 --> 00:49:34,239
Speaker 4: us have had that have built our confidence and helped

1029
00:49:34,320 --> 00:49:37,160
Speaker 4: us see and feel who we are, and that you're

1030
00:49:37,200 --> 00:49:40,479
Speaker 4: also telling these stories across other mediums in your Sheep

1031
00:49:40,480 --> 00:49:45,279
Speaker 4: Pivots podcast, and am really in every room that you enter, and.

1032
00:49:45,239 --> 00:49:47,920
Speaker 1: So we will talk about Can I talk about got

1033
00:49:47,960 --> 00:49:50,440
Speaker 1: Them for a second? Is that okay? Okay, you can.

1034
00:49:50,960 --> 00:49:52,600
Speaker 1: I'm like, we haven't talked about got them yet? Know

1035
00:49:52,640 --> 00:49:53,080
Speaker 1: we here.

1036
00:49:53,120 --> 00:49:54,719
Speaker 3: We are here to hype you and everything that you

1037
00:49:54,760 --> 00:49:55,200
Speaker 3: care about.

1038
00:49:55,280 --> 00:49:56,960
Speaker 1: Okay, Well, first of all, thank you so much for

1039
00:49:56,960 --> 00:49:58,759
Speaker 1: coming to the announcement. I thought it was a great day.

1040
00:49:58,840 --> 00:49:59,719
Speaker 3: It was such a great day.

1041
00:49:59,760 --> 00:50:03,359
Speaker 4: I mean again, like I wrote about like my you know,

1042
00:50:03,400 --> 00:50:06,640
Speaker 4: twenty six soccer year playing heart like the little girl

1043
00:50:06,640 --> 00:50:09,319
Speaker 4: and me being like I can't believe I am near

1044
00:50:09,840 --> 00:50:12,160
Speaker 4: real live professional soccer players.

1045
00:50:12,160 --> 00:50:13,000
Speaker 3: This is insanity.

1046
00:50:13,080 --> 00:50:15,840
Speaker 1: So yeah, I like keep asking them questions. I'm like,

1047
00:50:16,000 --> 00:50:18,840
Speaker 1: what do you lift? Like like I just want to

1048
00:50:18,840 --> 00:50:21,880
Speaker 1: know how strong they are? Right, what do you lift?

1049
00:50:22,320 --> 00:50:23,719
Speaker 1: I'm like so impressed.

1050
00:50:23,760 --> 00:50:24,600
Speaker 3: It's so fun.

1051
00:50:24,760 --> 00:50:27,319
Speaker 1: I'm so psyched about it. So this came about. This

1052
00:50:27,400 --> 00:50:30,359
Speaker 1: is really, this is like really my sister's thing. So

1053
00:50:30,840 --> 00:50:32,759
Speaker 1: and I actually didn't play sports, like I was so

1054
00:50:33,480 --> 00:50:36,040
Speaker 1: admiring of your posts that you played sports forever. I didn't.

1055
00:50:36,080 --> 00:50:38,640
Speaker 1: I was like a nerdy theater kid who actually couldn't

1056
00:50:38,640 --> 00:50:39,960
Speaker 1: even make it onto the stage because I wasn't even

1057
00:50:39,960 --> 00:50:42,880
Speaker 1: talented enough to do that so I was a side player.

1058
00:50:43,680 --> 00:50:45,120
Speaker 1: But I love it because because.

1059
00:50:44,920 --> 00:50:47,719
Speaker 4: Your talent wasn't recognized. That's how I'd like to reframe that,

1060
00:50:47,760 --> 00:50:49,120
Speaker 4: because that's not fucking true.

1061
00:50:50,200 --> 00:50:51,080
Speaker 3: Well I don't.

1062
00:50:53,000 --> 00:50:55,520
Speaker 1: That is so wonderful and generous of you. But I

1063
00:50:55,600 --> 00:50:58,000
Speaker 1: also think we can know where our strengths and Okay,

1064
00:50:58,000 --> 00:51:00,240
Speaker 1: I like I like to say in karaoke, what I

1065
00:51:00,320 --> 00:51:02,799
Speaker 1: lack in talent, I make up for an enthusiasm.

1066
00:51:02,880 --> 00:51:03,680
Speaker 3: That's the damn truth.

1067
00:51:03,800 --> 00:51:06,040
Speaker 1: Okay, I keep going, We're reframing our Okay, So my

1068
00:51:06,080 --> 00:51:08,759
Speaker 1: sister has a background in sports. My family has been

1069
00:51:08,920 --> 00:51:11,439
Speaker 1: in sports for a long time, but my sister really

1070
00:51:11,480 --> 00:51:14,600
Speaker 1: has a substantive experience. She ran, She built the brand

1071
00:51:14,600 --> 00:51:17,839
Speaker 1: for Peloton in marketing, so she built the global brand. Yes,

1072
00:51:18,040 --> 00:51:20,480
Speaker 1: this opportunity came up to say. She started doing some

1073
00:51:20,520 --> 00:51:23,839
Speaker 1: sports investing on behalf of our family and seeing that

1074
00:51:24,080 --> 00:51:28,719
Speaker 1: women's soccer in particular is like the investment right now,

1075
00:51:28,719 --> 00:51:31,799
Speaker 1: like this is this is what is busting. Yep, this

1076
00:51:31,880 --> 00:51:34,239
Speaker 1: is what is bumping. And she started meeting with more

1077
00:51:34,280 --> 00:51:36,200
Speaker 1: people and they're like, you're in New York, Like you

1078
00:51:36,200 --> 00:51:38,400
Speaker 1: guys should be the New York team. And so it

1079
00:51:38,400 --> 00:51:40,080
Speaker 1: all came about in some ways kind of quickly and

1080
00:51:40,080 --> 00:51:41,719
Speaker 1: in some ways it didn't really intend to do it.

1081
00:51:42,120 --> 00:51:43,920
Speaker 1: But again, this is like my sister is leading an

1082
00:51:43,920 --> 00:51:47,480
Speaker 1: ownership group on behalf of our family, and so I'm

1083
00:51:47,520 --> 00:51:49,520
Speaker 1: just there to support her. I'm very excited about it.

1084
00:51:49,560 --> 00:51:51,080
Speaker 1: I kind of like the idea of women's soccer, but

1085
00:51:51,120 --> 00:51:52,279
Speaker 1: I don't know a ton and I'm kind of just

1086
00:51:52,280 --> 00:51:55,640
Speaker 1: there to support her. From the minute we hit the

1087
00:51:55,640 --> 00:51:57,520
Speaker 1: ground and I mean literally hit the ground because this

1088
00:51:57,680 --> 00:52:01,399
Speaker 1: never happens. That we signed the deal on Wednesday, our

1089
00:52:01,440 --> 00:52:05,000
Speaker 1: team was in the championship game. We landed on Friday

1090
00:52:05,040 --> 00:52:07,760
Speaker 1: and won the championship on Saturday. I can't.

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Speaker 3: I mean, like, what a week?

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Speaker 1: Like what a week?

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Speaker 4: Girl?

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Speaker 3: You're like, I am really glad I bought this bomber

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Speaker 3: jacket because I'm repping this.

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Speaker 1: Oh oh by the way, that bomber jacket came from

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Speaker 1: one of the staff members. I was like, I don't

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Speaker 1: have enough gear.

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Speaker 3: Oh my god.

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Speaker 1: I was like, where's our box of these? Yes, I

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Speaker 1: mean I almost didn't even go to the championship game

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Speaker 1: because I just felt kind of disconnected from it, like

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Speaker 1: it was my I was. So I was there to

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Speaker 1: support my sister and from the minute we got there,

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Speaker 1: it was so clear that this league has just been

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Speaker 1: so underinvested in and the players deserve so much better.

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Speaker 1: Like I was emotionally invested from the second we got there.

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Speaker 1: We stayed in this like two star hotel with the players,

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Speaker 1: which I'm so glad that we did, yeah, because we

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Speaker 1: really got to see them and see how much they

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Speaker 1: love and support each other, how hard they work, like

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Speaker 1: they are world class athletes and our country has not

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Speaker 1: invested him in them in that way and the league

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Speaker 1: has not now. And so I was again like I

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Speaker 1: had no expectation of being involved in the team until

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Speaker 1: I arrived and they were like, oh, could you help

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Speaker 1: with this? Can you help with this? And I was

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Speaker 1: like sure, And it did make me realize that the

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Speaker 1: things that I had done, Like you look at my resume,

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Speaker 1: it would not say she'd be doing a great job

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Speaker 1: helping the championship team in their championship weekend, right, Like

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Speaker 1: I don't say I didn't play sports, but you know,

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Speaker 1: it's I do realize that everything in my background has

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Speaker 1: led me to where they are weak, and therefore I

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Speaker 1: can be of service to them. So like, for example,

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Speaker 1: this women's soccer league every single league when they're champion wins,

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Speaker 1: goes to the White House for a ceremony with the President,

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Speaker 1: including Little League. Do you know who's never been invited

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Speaker 1: women's soccer?

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Speaker 3: Are you kidding me?

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Speaker 1: Never? The US team went as part of the World Cup,

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Speaker 1: but the US Women's World Soccer has never been invited

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Speaker 1: to the White House for the championship.

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Speaker 4: You're like, You're like, hold on, let me text someone. No,

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Speaker 4: that's literally what I did.

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Speaker 3: Let me text the beep. Okay, Like excuse me.

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Speaker 1: For a minute. Like by the time we landed back

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Speaker 1: on Sunday evening, I had like eight parts of the

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Speaker 1: White House working on this. They were like, they're absolutely right,

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Speaker 1: this is an oversight. We will get it. Like I

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00:54:18,239 --> 00:54:21,560
Speaker 1: actually know now that the White House Political Meetings flags

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Speaker 1: this every week and it's like, do we have this

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00:54:24,239 --> 00:54:26,879
Speaker 1: on our schedule yet because we have to have it. Yes,

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Speaker 1: and they're going to fix it. But like, this is

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Speaker 1: this is just an example of how like these are

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Speaker 1: my friends who work in the White House. I've worked

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00:54:33,719 --> 00:54:36,200
Speaker 1: with them for twenty years. That's right. They know that

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Speaker 1: when I text them this, this is important, correct, and

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00:54:39,840 --> 00:54:42,120
Speaker 1: then I'm gonna And also they know I have credibility,

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00:54:42,320 --> 00:54:44,040
Speaker 1: Like they know that I'm not going to do something

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00:54:44,080 --> 00:54:48,000
Speaker 1: that is not aligned with them because I will tell

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00:54:48,040 --> 00:54:49,960
Speaker 1: the truth and I come from a place of credibility

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Speaker 1: and I don't take short term wins for long term detriment, correct.

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Speaker 1: So it was in this moment that I did feel like, Okay,

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Speaker 1: the things that I have done did build me to

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Speaker 1: be substantively be able to contribute here. So that's my

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Speaker 1: Gotham thing.

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Speaker 3: So girl, it's absolutely true.

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Speaker 4: And I think I think the lesson here and the

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00:55:09,960 --> 00:55:13,440
Speaker 4: lesson that you keep learning as you let your intuition

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00:55:13,520 --> 00:55:16,680
Speaker 4: guide you to sort of what's next, is that it's

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00:55:16,719 --> 00:55:20,040
Speaker 4: not always going to look like a very clear line

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00:55:20,400 --> 00:55:25,320
Speaker 4: connecting something. But who you are not what you've necessarily

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00:55:25,320 --> 00:55:27,520
Speaker 4: even done or what you are known for. Who you

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00:55:27,600 --> 00:55:32,440
Speaker 4: are is what you are bringing to that organization, that mission,

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Speaker 4: that group, that conference, that.

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Speaker 1: Event.

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Speaker 4: People follow will follow you through fire, right, and people

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00:55:42,920 --> 00:55:45,200
Speaker 4: trust you and they believe in what you're doing and

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Speaker 4: they want to be around you.

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Speaker 1: And by the way, that is true for every one

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Speaker 1: of your listeners, Like all of that is true, Like

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Speaker 1: be who you are and people will follow and work

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Speaker 1: with you.

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Speaker 4: Absolutely, And I think the thing to as we get older.

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Speaker 4: You know, I definitely had that pivot moment when I

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Speaker 4: turned forty, when I just there's this phrase that.

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Speaker 3: Kept coming into my head.

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Speaker 4: I will no longer abandon myself in service to others,

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Speaker 4: because I had spent my entire career and even my

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Speaker 4: personal life really feeling like my value, my worth came

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Speaker 4: for my service and whatever I had to do to

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Speaker 4: shape shift to meet that demand.

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Speaker 3: Is how I was supposed to live.

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Speaker 4: But when you figure out that that is not the truth,

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Speaker 4: all of the haters, just like you said that, like,

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00:56:28,239 --> 00:56:31,120
Speaker 4: regardless of what you do, will always have their view

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00:56:31,160 --> 00:56:35,600
Speaker 4: of what you are. Their voice is just fade away, right,

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Speaker 4: And so it is all about doing what you feel

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Speaker 4: is right, like living your truth and surrounding yourself with

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Speaker 4: people that are there for you.

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Speaker 3: And that is clearly what you're doing.

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Speaker 4: It's what you've done. It's why I was there, Listen.

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Speaker 4: I know Carolyn, but I wasn't there because of Carolyn.

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Speaker 4: I was there because of you, right, And so I

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Speaker 4: think that's what's important to note is that so many

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Speaker 4: of the people in that room were there because of you,

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Speaker 4: And it doesn't matter that you didn't fucking play soccer.

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Speaker 3: That's not what it's about, right, It's it's your.

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Speaker 4: It's your like, your enthusiasm, your light, and also your

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Speaker 4: perspective that is like, okay, we got to follow that.

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00:57:12,320 --> 00:57:14,479
Speaker 4: If em thinks this is important, something's up.

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Speaker 3: Something's up. And so I hope that you continue to

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00:57:17,920 --> 00:57:18,320
Speaker 3: feel that.

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Speaker 1: I love you, Erin, I love you too. I love you.

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Speaker 4: I'm so proud of you. I can't wait to be

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00:57:24,680 --> 00:57:27,960
Speaker 4: at a Gotham game. I can't wait to continue to listen,

1208
00:57:28,040 --> 00:57:31,080
Speaker 4: to support and hype your podcast and show up in

1209
00:57:31,080 --> 00:57:33,840
Speaker 4: all the spaces where you are because you are doing

1210
00:57:34,120 --> 00:57:37,840
Speaker 4: such incredibly important work, not because of the family that

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00:57:37,880 --> 00:57:42,040
Speaker 4: you were born into, but because of the human that

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00:57:42,080 --> 00:57:43,000
Speaker 4: you have become.

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Speaker 1: Well now I'm going to cry. Thank you.

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00:57:46,360 --> 00:57:49,160
Speaker 4: Crying is good, It's a it's a cathartic exercise.

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Speaker 1: Thank you. You are the best, and you truly are you.

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00:57:52,960 --> 00:57:55,640
Speaker 1: You truly are the hype woman that you put out

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00:57:55,640 --> 00:57:57,880
Speaker 1: into the world. Like I just I really feel that

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00:57:57,920 --> 00:57:59,840
Speaker 1: from you on so many levels. No. Remember you grabbed

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00:57:59,840 --> 00:58:02,200
Speaker 1: me middle of the podcast party and you said, are

1220
00:58:02,280 --> 00:58:06,720
Speaker 1: you feeling it? Are you feeling it? And I was like, okay, yes,

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00:58:06,760 --> 00:58:08,200
Speaker 1: I guess I'm feeling it right.

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Speaker 4: Right, It's like it's like, look around, everyone is here

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00:58:12,080 --> 00:58:14,800
Speaker 4: for you. Like it's so easy in those moments to

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00:58:14,880 --> 00:58:16,000
Speaker 4: just be like, oh, I got to take this picture,

1225
00:58:16,000 --> 00:58:18,160
Speaker 4: gotta do this thing. It's like no, no, no, you

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00:58:18,200 --> 00:58:22,560
Speaker 4: had an idea, you took the risk, you put your

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00:58:22,840 --> 00:58:26,000
Speaker 4: heart out into the world to be received and have

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00:58:26,080 --> 00:58:28,680
Speaker 4: commentary on, and then it led to this moment.

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Speaker 3: These are the things, right.

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Speaker 4: I say this all the time because I think it's

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00:58:31,200 --> 00:58:34,800
Speaker 4: really important, especially for people that dare to tell the

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00:58:34,840 --> 00:58:38,840
Speaker 4: world what they think. People with ideas are dreamers, right,

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00:58:38,920 --> 00:58:41,240
Speaker 4: and if they do People with ideas who do nothing

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00:58:41,280 --> 00:58:46,280
Speaker 4: are dreamers. People with ideas who do something are entrepreneurs. Right.

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00:58:46,360 --> 00:58:48,920
Speaker 4: They are founders, They are builders, they are creators.

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Speaker 1: That is a much.

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00:58:50,240 --> 00:58:51,480
Speaker 3: Harder place to play.

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00:58:51,920 --> 00:58:53,840
Speaker 4: We can think of amazing stuff all the time, and

1239
00:58:53,840 --> 00:58:55,680
Speaker 4: then we are super safe and telling no one and

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00:58:55,720 --> 00:58:59,439
Speaker 4: doing nothing. When you put it out there, that's when

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00:58:59,480 --> 00:59:00,520
Speaker 4: the rubber me the road.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, totally keep putting your shit out there, you too, lady,

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Speaker 1: put it out Thanks.

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Speaker 3: Am love you, thank you, love you.

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Speaker 2: Thank you for spending time with us today. We hope

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00:59:14,600 --> 00:59:18,200
Speaker 2: you feel motivated, inspired and fired up to take on

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00:59:18,600 --> 00:59:22,360
Speaker 2: and burn down that patriarchy. We can't wait to see

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00:59:22,400 --> 00:59:25,400
Speaker 2: you again next time. Until then, please do your part

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00:59:25,520 --> 00:59:28,920
Speaker 2: to Hype Women. The Hype Women podcast is produced by

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