1 00:00:07,240 --> 00:00:10,240 Speaker 1: Hello everybody, and welcome to a brand new edition of 2 00:00:10,400 --> 00:00:15,600 Speaker 1: Cardinal Territory Jim Hayes alongside Lance Lynn and Kyle Gibson. 3 00:00:16,160 --> 00:00:19,560 Speaker 1: Before we get started, I'd like to ask for your 4 00:00:19,640 --> 00:00:22,640 Speaker 1: help you at home. See we're trying to get to 5 00:00:22,800 --> 00:00:26,720 Speaker 1: seven thousand subscribers and we want to grow the program. 6 00:00:26,800 --> 00:00:30,560 Speaker 1: So please reach out and hit that subscribe button because 7 00:00:30,880 --> 00:00:33,159 Speaker 1: we want to help or we want to grow, and 8 00:00:33,320 --> 00:00:36,960 Speaker 1: you guys can certainly help us do that. All right, gentlemen, 9 00:00:38,840 --> 00:00:41,800 Speaker 1: the Cardinals are in a rebuild. We've talked about it, 10 00:00:41,960 --> 00:00:46,239 Speaker 1: oh two three dozen times on this program, but now 11 00:00:46,280 --> 00:00:50,920 Speaker 1: the experts at ESPN have weighed in on their top 12 00:00:51,840 --> 00:00:57,680 Speaker 1: one hundred MLB players. The experts top one hundred MLB players, 13 00:00:58,240 --> 00:01:01,400 Speaker 1: and there is not one Cardinal on the lift. The 14 00:01:01,400 --> 00:01:06,080 Speaker 1: Cardinals joined the Marlins, the Rockies, and the White Sox 15 00:01:06,280 --> 00:01:10,160 Speaker 1: as teams that have no one in the ESPN Top 16 00:01:10,240 --> 00:01:13,800 Speaker 1: one hundred. So I will start with you, Kyle Gibson. 17 00:01:14,880 --> 00:01:18,160 Speaker 1: Is that just the sign of a rebuild or are 18 00:01:18,360 --> 00:01:21,080 Speaker 1: the experts at ESPN wrong, wrong, wrong? 19 00:01:25,160 --> 00:01:28,600 Speaker 2: I honestly I don't know that it matters, Jim. I 20 00:01:28,600 --> 00:01:31,120 Speaker 2: don't want to just completely throw you off the topic. Here, 21 00:01:31,160 --> 00:01:36,160 Speaker 2: But I mean, I think it's just a ranking system. Obviously, 22 00:01:36,200 --> 00:01:38,959 Speaker 2: they trade away a few pretty good players this offseason. 23 00:01:40,120 --> 00:01:42,640 Speaker 2: I would say Mason Winn is a you know, he's 24 00:01:42,680 --> 00:01:46,920 Speaker 2: a top tier shortstop defensively for sure. I know offensively, 25 00:01:46,959 --> 00:01:48,600 Speaker 2: there's some guys with some thump in the league that 26 00:01:48,720 --> 00:01:52,520 Speaker 2: you know, probably outdo them offensively, But I don't know. 27 00:01:52,680 --> 00:01:54,240 Speaker 2: I mean, i'd have to look at the list and 28 00:01:54,720 --> 00:01:57,680 Speaker 2: kind of see maybe where Alec Burlison fits in, where 29 00:01:58,160 --> 00:02:01,920 Speaker 2: some of these guys might fit in. But I mean, 30 00:02:03,360 --> 00:02:04,880 Speaker 2: is that wrong for me to say it doesn't matter? 31 00:02:05,040 --> 00:02:07,000 Speaker 2: Is that an okay opinion? Jim? 32 00:02:07,680 --> 00:02:11,200 Speaker 1: That's fine, It's perfectly fine. But I am trying to 33 00:02:11,240 --> 00:02:14,400 Speaker 1: get some back and forth going. And I would say, 34 00:02:15,400 --> 00:02:18,920 Speaker 1: when is a guy you would think might crack somewhere 35 00:02:18,919 --> 00:02:22,560 Speaker 1: in the top one hundred, maybe Burlison, how about Horrero? 36 00:02:22,800 --> 00:02:23,640 Speaker 1: Especially with his. 37 00:02:24,639 --> 00:02:25,400 Speaker 2: One hundred players? 38 00:02:25,440 --> 00:02:25,919 Speaker 1: Is not a lot? 39 00:02:26,000 --> 00:02:29,000 Speaker 2: Jim? Like, that's not a lot? Right? We're talking thirty 40 00:02:29,000 --> 00:02:32,200 Speaker 2: teams at twenty six players. You know, we're talking seven 41 00:02:32,280 --> 00:02:35,359 Speaker 2: hundred and eighty players, right, Like in the entire league. 42 00:02:36,720 --> 00:02:38,880 Speaker 2: That's you know, one hundred is not a lot of them. 43 00:02:39,240 --> 00:02:40,600 Speaker 2: You're looking at what. 44 00:02:41,360 --> 00:02:44,160 Speaker 3: Twenty six of the Dodgers are already on there. Said 45 00:02:44,720 --> 00:02:47,200 Speaker 3: they're taking up twenty six of the top one hundred. 46 00:02:47,800 --> 00:02:50,600 Speaker 1: You know they have a three eight for the record, 47 00:02:51,160 --> 00:02:53,520 Speaker 1: the three from me to the ranking system. 48 00:02:53,560 --> 00:02:55,840 Speaker 3: Screw now we know the ranking system ship. 49 00:02:56,960 --> 00:03:00,320 Speaker 1: Okay, so we got our first, our first cust I 50 00:03:00,360 --> 00:03:02,160 Speaker 1: like that. But let's let me let me put another 51 00:03:02,240 --> 00:03:04,480 Speaker 1: way to you, because I think, Kyle, what you're saying 52 00:03:04,560 --> 00:03:07,240 Speaker 1: is fair. It really doesn't matter in the big scheme 53 00:03:07,280 --> 00:03:10,800 Speaker 1: of things. But as I try to tap into the 54 00:03:10,840 --> 00:03:15,600 Speaker 1: frustration of Cardinal Nation, should it matter? And do you 55 00:03:15,680 --> 00:03:18,800 Speaker 1: think one of those guys that I mentioned should. 56 00:03:18,560 --> 00:03:22,320 Speaker 2: Be No, don't don't tap in. Do not tap into 57 00:03:22,360 --> 00:03:24,880 Speaker 2: the frustration of Cardinal nation. Don't do that, Jim. We 58 00:03:24,919 --> 00:03:28,119 Speaker 2: already went over this yesterday on social media. We had 59 00:03:28,160 --> 00:03:29,800 Speaker 2: a little bit. I just let you know, there's no 60 00:03:29,840 --> 00:03:32,280 Speaker 2: need for Cardinals fans to get upset with what Colin 61 00:03:32,400 --> 00:03:35,720 Speaker 2: Cowhurt said. It's gonna be okay, all right, There's no 62 00:03:35,720 --> 00:03:39,880 Speaker 2: need to tap into frustration here. These young players that 63 00:03:39,920 --> 00:03:43,840 Speaker 2: they have in two years, if four of them are 64 00:03:43,840 --> 00:03:46,760 Speaker 2: in the top one hundred, nobody's gonna remember that none 65 00:03:46,800 --> 00:03:49,200 Speaker 2: of them were in the top one hundred two years prior. 66 00:03:49,920 --> 00:03:52,800 Speaker 2: This is part of going younger, part of bringing up 67 00:03:52,800 --> 00:03:56,560 Speaker 2: guys that haven't quite established themselves as a top tier 68 00:03:56,560 --> 00:03:59,040 Speaker 2: player or you know, a top player at their position, 69 00:03:59,720 --> 00:04:02,560 Speaker 2: as part of it. I don't think Cardinals fans should 70 00:04:02,560 --> 00:04:06,440 Speaker 2: be frustrated at all because Cardinals fans in general wanted 71 00:04:06,480 --> 00:04:10,000 Speaker 2: this thing to change and to look different. So with 72 00:04:10,240 --> 00:04:14,040 Speaker 2: it looking different, it's going to look different, That's what 73 00:04:14,320 --> 00:04:16,200 Speaker 2: That's how I would put it, So. 74 00:04:16,279 --> 00:04:19,120 Speaker 1: Lance, I don't know if you're aware. Colin Cowhard, who 75 00:04:19,200 --> 00:04:26,240 Speaker 1: does a sports talk show, called the Cardinals cruddy. He 76 00:04:26,360 --> 00:04:29,320 Speaker 1: said they were cruddy, and I was wondering because my 77 00:04:29,400 --> 00:04:32,520 Speaker 1: dog is a Cardinal fan, Stella, and she saw this 78 00:04:32,640 --> 00:04:34,400 Speaker 1: and wanted to take a piece at him. She's a 79 00:04:34,480 --> 00:04:39,480 Speaker 1: mini bull terrier, but is kindle onto something here though 80 00:04:39,520 --> 00:04:44,440 Speaker 1: that Look, it's a rebuild. It was necessary, and if 81 00:04:44,960 --> 00:04:47,680 Speaker 1: our feelings get hurt as Cardinal fans, so be it. 82 00:04:49,800 --> 00:04:51,919 Speaker 3: In a sense, yes, because if you look at the 83 00:04:51,960 --> 00:04:55,240 Speaker 3: way that the roster has been put together, it's, hey, 84 00:04:55,320 --> 00:04:58,719 Speaker 3: let's figure out which young kid can actually be or 85 00:04:58,800 --> 00:05:01,600 Speaker 3: hopefully multiple young kids can actually be a top you know, 86 00:05:01,800 --> 00:05:03,600 Speaker 3: one hundred player. And if you look at the one 87 00:05:03,680 --> 00:05:07,840 Speaker 3: hundred player list. There's not one All Star on the 88 00:05:07,839 --> 00:05:11,880 Speaker 3: Cardinals roster, so there's not one person that probably consider 89 00:05:11,960 --> 00:05:14,479 Speaker 3: and say, hey, I should be on that list. Do 90 00:05:15,080 --> 00:05:18,360 Speaker 3: are there talent enough players on the list? Mason for sure, 91 00:05:18,520 --> 00:05:21,080 Speaker 3: gold Glover, you know, I'm wondering if he's the only 92 00:05:21,080 --> 00:05:23,160 Speaker 3: gold Glover not on the top one hundred list, then 93 00:05:23,200 --> 00:05:25,600 Speaker 3: that could be a slight you know, it just kind 94 00:05:25,600 --> 00:05:28,400 Speaker 3: of depends. But you're looking at young players that haven't 95 00:05:28,400 --> 00:05:33,080 Speaker 3: been All Stars, haven't, you know, kind of taking over 96 00:05:33,360 --> 00:05:38,240 Speaker 3: a spot in the game maybe besides Mason, So you know, 97 00:05:38,279 --> 00:05:40,720 Speaker 3: and the offense comes along this year. You know, if 98 00:05:40,760 --> 00:05:42,600 Speaker 3: he does the twenty home run thing, like you said, 99 00:05:42,680 --> 00:05:46,120 Speaker 3: it's two eighty five to three hundred and still's thirty bags, 100 00:05:46,160 --> 00:05:49,560 Speaker 3: then yeah he's there. But we all know he's capable 101 00:05:49,560 --> 00:05:52,720 Speaker 3: of that. When he does it, he'll be on the list. Yeah. 102 00:05:52,760 --> 00:05:55,839 Speaker 3: The feeling is around the world that I see everything. 103 00:05:55,839 --> 00:05:57,800 Speaker 3: I'm looking at the win loss record, right, was it 104 00:05:57,920 --> 00:06:01,520 Speaker 3: sixty something that they got the ore under at, So yeah, 105 00:06:01,560 --> 00:06:04,599 Speaker 3: people are very down on them. But I think that 106 00:06:04,640 --> 00:06:07,200 Speaker 3: you're looking at a group of players that have been 107 00:06:07,520 --> 00:06:10,920 Speaker 3: on top prospect list and this and that. But they 108 00:06:10,920 --> 00:06:13,040 Speaker 3: haven't shown it at the big league level. But when 109 00:06:13,040 --> 00:06:15,360 Speaker 3: you have no payroll after this year and all that, 110 00:06:15,440 --> 00:06:18,520 Speaker 3: you have to see what you have that's not or 111 00:06:18,560 --> 00:06:21,000 Speaker 3: that's cost controlled, and then you've built around it with 112 00:06:21,120 --> 00:06:23,760 Speaker 3: money and players in free agency and this and that. 113 00:06:23,920 --> 00:06:26,960 Speaker 3: So yeah, it gets say the old you know, darkest 114 00:06:27,000 --> 00:06:29,800 Speaker 3: before the dawn and all that crap that people say, 115 00:06:30,000 --> 00:06:32,480 Speaker 3: But that's kind of where we're at right now. It's like, hey, 116 00:06:32,600 --> 00:06:35,119 Speaker 3: let's see who's going to be who, and let's stop 117 00:06:35,160 --> 00:06:38,640 Speaker 3: bandiating it, take the band aid off, let's see you 118 00:06:38,720 --> 00:06:40,640 Speaker 3: see who could stop the bleeding, and then we build 119 00:06:40,680 --> 00:06:43,160 Speaker 3: around them. And I think that's not a bad approach, 120 00:06:43,560 --> 00:06:45,880 Speaker 3: especially with the state of baseball as it is right now, 121 00:06:46,600 --> 00:06:48,479 Speaker 3: and then you can go from there. But there was 122 00:06:48,480 --> 00:06:50,880 Speaker 3: some stuff that had to be cleaned up. I'm dealt 123 00:06:50,880 --> 00:06:53,240 Speaker 3: with cleaning it up. Now, it's where to see, Hey, 124 00:06:53,279 --> 00:06:55,880 Speaker 3: where we build from here? Because farm system's pretty deep. 125 00:06:56,160 --> 00:06:59,360 Speaker 3: We've got young positioned players, young pitchers. Now which ones 126 00:06:59,360 --> 00:07:01,320 Speaker 3: are going to stick? Which ones can you build around 127 00:07:01,560 --> 00:07:04,480 Speaker 3: and then bring the right free agents that you can 128 00:07:04,480 --> 00:07:06,039 Speaker 3: build around them. And you're gonna have a lot of 129 00:07:06,040 --> 00:07:08,839 Speaker 3: money to do that with come next offseason. So it's 130 00:07:08,880 --> 00:07:12,080 Speaker 3: a it's a wait and see approach, but it's where 131 00:07:12,120 --> 00:07:13,440 Speaker 3: you're at right now, and you just got to kind 132 00:07:13,440 --> 00:07:15,600 Speaker 3: of deal with it. And you're gonna have talent on 133 00:07:15,640 --> 00:07:17,360 Speaker 3: the field. The question is is it going to be 134 00:07:17,360 --> 00:07:20,840 Speaker 3: able to translate into wins? Most likely at times yes, 135 00:07:20,880 --> 00:07:22,720 Speaker 3: and at times it's there's going to be some ugly 136 00:07:22,880 --> 00:07:25,120 Speaker 3: stretches and you've got to deal with that as a 137 00:07:25,120 --> 00:07:26,640 Speaker 3: as a learning thing. But all the is not going 138 00:07:26,680 --> 00:07:28,600 Speaker 3: to let things slide. So it's not going to be 139 00:07:28,720 --> 00:07:33,680 Speaker 3: ugly baseball. It might be youthful baseball with some youthful mistakes, 140 00:07:33,720 --> 00:07:35,560 Speaker 3: but those will be corrected as the year goes on, 141 00:07:35,600 --> 00:07:37,080 Speaker 3: and that's going to be fun to watch as a 142 00:07:37,080 --> 00:07:37,680 Speaker 3: baseball fan. 143 00:07:38,600 --> 00:07:41,640 Speaker 1: And the band aid is off. Okay, we stipulate that 144 00:07:41,720 --> 00:07:44,440 Speaker 1: the band aid is off and sometimes it hurts. So 145 00:07:45,320 --> 00:07:49,200 Speaker 1: still fans want to win as many games as the 146 00:07:49,280 --> 00:07:51,720 Speaker 1: Cardinals can possibly win. So, Kyle, I'm gonna ask you 147 00:07:51,760 --> 00:07:54,920 Speaker 1: this when you're looking at the team, not in terms 148 00:07:55,000 --> 00:07:57,320 Speaker 1: of development, which is kind of what this year is 149 00:07:57,320 --> 00:08:01,800 Speaker 1: all about. We understand that what do you think we'll 150 00:08:01,840 --> 00:08:05,400 Speaker 1: be more concerning? Do you have more concerns about and 151 00:08:05,440 --> 00:08:07,920 Speaker 1: I'm talking about success rate as they go through the 152 00:08:07,960 --> 00:08:11,120 Speaker 1: growth process starting rotation or offense? 153 00:08:11,200 --> 00:08:17,720 Speaker 2: Which one which am I more concerned about? And when 154 00:08:17,760 --> 00:08:19,440 Speaker 2: you say concerned, like, do I think they're going to 155 00:08:19,480 --> 00:08:21,440 Speaker 2: struggle more or do at the end of the year 156 00:08:21,640 --> 00:08:24,280 Speaker 2: what I put more importance on this part getting better? 157 00:08:24,440 --> 00:08:25,600 Speaker 2: Which one is that, Jim. 158 00:08:26,040 --> 00:08:30,800 Speaker 1: Let's say, just for wins, losses or eras or batting 159 00:08:30,840 --> 00:08:31,520 Speaker 1: average total. 160 00:08:31,840 --> 00:08:34,280 Speaker 2: I'm not concerned about either of them. Honestly, not concerned 161 00:08:34,320 --> 00:08:37,120 Speaker 2: about either of them. I think that if this year 162 00:08:37,200 --> 00:08:40,720 Speaker 2: is the development year, both for pitching and for offense, 163 00:08:40,800 --> 00:08:43,640 Speaker 2: which it is. You know, we've already heard Ali Anheim 164 00:08:43,679 --> 00:08:46,439 Speaker 2: both talking about Jordan Walker and the work that he's 165 00:08:46,440 --> 00:08:48,920 Speaker 2: put in this offseason. If Jordan Walker goes out there 166 00:08:48,960 --> 00:08:51,680 Speaker 2: and struggles in his first hundred of bats, nobody should 167 00:08:51,720 --> 00:08:54,000 Speaker 2: be calling for him to go to Triple A. Everybody 168 00:08:54,000 --> 00:08:56,160 Speaker 2: should be saying, it's been one hundred of bats and 169 00:08:56,200 --> 00:08:59,679 Speaker 2: it's one sixth of a season. If you have Quinn 170 00:08:59,679 --> 00:09:02,360 Speaker 2: Matthew has come up and he struggles a little bit, 171 00:09:02,880 --> 00:09:05,520 Speaker 2: nobody should be saying that we can't develop pictures. You've 172 00:09:05,520 --> 00:09:07,599 Speaker 2: got to give him a chance to establish himself and 173 00:09:07,880 --> 00:09:14,360 Speaker 2: figure out where he's at. If this is a true rebuild, 174 00:09:15,440 --> 00:09:18,839 Speaker 2: whatever they want to call it, then the over under 175 00:09:18,960 --> 00:09:21,680 Speaker 2: win loss doesn't matter. And you're going out there and 176 00:09:21,720 --> 00:09:24,280 Speaker 2: you're just playing good baseball and you're trying to figure 177 00:09:24,280 --> 00:09:26,120 Speaker 2: out the big league level what kind of player you are? 178 00:09:27,040 --> 00:09:29,559 Speaker 2: How can you repeat that and how can you get 179 00:09:29,600 --> 00:09:32,520 Speaker 2: the best out of yourself each and every day? And 180 00:09:32,600 --> 00:09:35,320 Speaker 2: I know, figure out who you are. It's kind of cliche, right, 181 00:09:35,559 --> 00:09:38,240 Speaker 2: but all of us if you think back to any 182 00:09:38,280 --> 00:09:41,200 Speaker 2: point in your life when you go through adversity, no 183 00:09:41,240 --> 00:09:43,439 Speaker 2: matter what job, no matter what part of life you're in, 184 00:09:43,920 --> 00:09:46,920 Speaker 2: you revert back to your identity in those moments, and 185 00:09:46,960 --> 00:09:49,480 Speaker 2: that's how you get through the hard times. Okay, So 186 00:09:49,600 --> 00:09:51,960 Speaker 2: now translate that to a big league player. If a 187 00:09:52,000 --> 00:09:54,079 Speaker 2: pitcher has no idea what his strengths are at the 188 00:09:54,080 --> 00:09:56,280 Speaker 2: big league level, when he goes through a struggle, he's 189 00:09:56,320 --> 00:09:58,480 Speaker 2: going to flounder and have no idea. If a hitter 190 00:09:58,600 --> 00:10:01,680 Speaker 2: goes over fifteen or over twenty and doesn't understand what 191 00:10:01,720 --> 00:10:03,480 Speaker 2: his strengths are, he has no way to get back. 192 00:10:03,760 --> 00:10:05,560 Speaker 2: So that's what I mean by figure out who you are. 193 00:10:05,679 --> 00:10:07,800 Speaker 2: That's what these young kids need to do. Figure out 194 00:10:07,800 --> 00:10:10,120 Speaker 2: your strengths figure out who you are at the big leagues, 195 00:10:10,600 --> 00:10:13,200 Speaker 2: work through you through your hard times with Dusty or 196 00:10:13,320 --> 00:10:16,559 Speaker 2: hitting coaches, whoever might be, and figure out your identity 197 00:10:16,559 --> 00:10:17,720 Speaker 2: and what it's going to be on the field. 198 00:10:18,960 --> 00:10:23,000 Speaker 1: Soles, let me ask you this. If we understand all 199 00:10:23,080 --> 00:10:25,760 Speaker 1: what Kyle is saying, and he brings up some valid points, 200 00:10:26,240 --> 00:10:29,280 Speaker 1: but I still am hoping for some of these guys 201 00:10:29,320 --> 00:10:32,360 Speaker 1: to pop. I know Kyle is too. So you're you're 202 00:10:32,360 --> 00:10:35,480 Speaker 1: a former pitcher. Look at the rotation, the guys who 203 00:10:35,480 --> 00:10:38,320 Speaker 1: are in the mix. I want you to give the 204 00:10:38,400 --> 00:10:41,960 Speaker 1: guy you think well, and it might not matter, I 205 00:10:42,040 --> 00:10:46,320 Speaker 1: understand that, but it's fun anyway. Give me the starting 206 00:10:46,360 --> 00:10:48,240 Speaker 1: pitcher you think will end up the season with the 207 00:10:48,240 --> 00:10:50,119 Speaker 1: most wins. 208 00:10:51,880 --> 00:10:54,800 Speaker 3: The I would say are they have to start the 209 00:10:54,880 --> 00:10:57,320 Speaker 3: year on the Cardinals, that end the year on the Cardinals. 210 00:10:57,640 --> 00:10:59,640 Speaker 1: Whoever ends up at the end of the season in 211 00:10:59,679 --> 00:11:02,720 Speaker 1: the star arting rotation with the most ws. 212 00:11:03,280 --> 00:11:07,719 Speaker 3: I think that it will probably be Libby because I 213 00:11:07,760 --> 00:11:10,160 Speaker 3: think he'll start the year in the rotation and in 214 00:11:10,200 --> 00:11:12,839 Speaker 3: the year in the Cardinals rotation. I think Dustin May 215 00:11:12,880 --> 00:11:15,960 Speaker 3: will end the year in another rotation. I think they 216 00:11:15,960 --> 00:11:19,320 Speaker 3: will have a similar win lost record. So that will 217 00:11:19,400 --> 00:11:22,640 Speaker 3: be my answer to that one. And then you know 218 00:11:22,840 --> 00:11:25,480 Speaker 3: with that group that we're asking for them to kind 219 00:11:25,520 --> 00:11:27,439 Speaker 3: of figure out who they are. I think we really 220 00:11:27,520 --> 00:11:31,840 Speaker 3: got to see if McGreevy can with his stuff, make 221 00:11:31,960 --> 00:11:35,720 Speaker 3: his stuff with his command make us. Can his stuff 222 00:11:35,760 --> 00:11:38,880 Speaker 3: get better with this command? I think that's the main thing, 223 00:11:38,960 --> 00:11:41,440 Speaker 3: especially against lefties. So it's gonna be a big gear 224 00:11:41,480 --> 00:11:43,840 Speaker 3: for him because if he cannot figure out that side 225 00:11:43,880 --> 00:11:46,320 Speaker 3: of the plate and how to make his stuff play 226 00:11:46,320 --> 00:11:49,320 Speaker 3: better or do something to get lefties off of him, 227 00:11:49,679 --> 00:11:52,000 Speaker 3: it's gonna be a really hard fit for him to 228 00:11:52,000 --> 00:11:55,679 Speaker 3: stay in a rotation through a whole season. So it's 229 00:11:55,679 --> 00:11:57,760 Speaker 3: a big gear for him in my opinion, with what 230 00:11:57,800 --> 00:11:59,559 Speaker 3: he's done in the minor leagues and the step that 231 00:11:59,600 --> 00:12:03,280 Speaker 3: he's got to to be a you know, an every 232 00:12:03,320 --> 00:12:06,560 Speaker 3: day or you know, one out of every five rotation guy. 233 00:12:06,760 --> 00:12:09,439 Speaker 3: So he's probably my my guy there that's got a 234 00:12:09,480 --> 00:12:11,680 Speaker 3: lot of pressure on him because we know the commands there, 235 00:12:11,880 --> 00:12:14,480 Speaker 3: We know he has all the pitches, but maybe this 236 00:12:14,600 --> 00:12:17,640 Speaker 3: stuff doesn't jump off the table, so at times, you know, 237 00:12:17,679 --> 00:12:20,760 Speaker 3: he can't out stuff anyone. So what's his step or 238 00:12:20,760 --> 00:12:23,360 Speaker 3: what's his counter going to be to get left handers 239 00:12:23,360 --> 00:12:26,000 Speaker 3: out at a better clip so he doesn't get stacked 240 00:12:26,040 --> 00:12:28,760 Speaker 3: against and get ran out of the rotation and getting 241 00:12:28,800 --> 00:12:31,000 Speaker 3: himself plugged in a you know, bullpen roll where he's 242 00:12:31,040 --> 00:12:33,920 Speaker 3: got a face right he's So that's my my rotation 243 00:12:34,040 --> 00:12:34,800 Speaker 3: take at the moment. 244 00:12:35,320 --> 00:12:37,000 Speaker 1: I like it. Now, Kyle, let me ask you this. 245 00:12:37,080 --> 00:12:40,280 Speaker 1: I'm going to give you some some wiggle room on 246 00:12:40,320 --> 00:12:43,240 Speaker 1: this question because you have swatted down everything I've asked 247 00:12:43,280 --> 00:12:44,439 Speaker 1: you in a friendly way. 248 00:12:48,000 --> 00:12:50,160 Speaker 3: I'm not getting up against the rips in the corner. 249 00:12:50,160 --> 00:12:50,920 Speaker 3: He won't allow it. 250 00:12:51,040 --> 00:12:57,920 Speaker 1: Too slippery, he's too slippery. I like that. So, based 251 00:12:57,960 --> 00:12:59,559 Speaker 1: on the fact that we don't even know who it's 252 00:12:59,600 --> 00:13:00,640 Speaker 1: going to be in and it could be one of 253 00:13:00,640 --> 00:13:03,000 Speaker 1: these young guys comes out of nowhere, it gets a 254 00:13:03,040 --> 00:13:06,720 Speaker 1: lot of traction. Could be a may who ends up 255 00:13:06,720 --> 00:13:09,640 Speaker 1: being dealt before the trade that who knows. But I'm 256 00:13:09,760 --> 00:13:13,680 Speaker 1: asking you which guy not that it matters. Do you 257 00:13:13,760 --> 00:13:17,360 Speaker 1: think we'll have in the rotation the best season out 258 00:13:17,360 --> 00:13:19,640 Speaker 1: of all the starters? 259 00:13:21,480 --> 00:13:25,760 Speaker 2: Man, That's a tough one. I think. I think one 260 00:13:25,760 --> 00:13:29,080 Speaker 2: thing that helps a guy like Polante is that we've 261 00:13:29,080 --> 00:13:31,319 Speaker 2: put together a pretty good defense. I feel like that's 262 00:13:31,360 --> 00:13:34,240 Speaker 2: one thing that we should be good. That's side of 263 00:13:34,280 --> 00:13:36,120 Speaker 2: the ball we should be pretty good at, especially up 264 00:13:36,160 --> 00:13:40,600 Speaker 2: the middle, with some versatility around the infield. Ramon Urius 265 00:13:40,679 --> 00:13:44,920 Speaker 2: is an elite defender wherever he's playing. I really like 266 00:13:45,480 --> 00:13:47,760 Speaker 2: I like that ad for this group to give guys 267 00:13:47,800 --> 00:13:50,559 Speaker 2: breaks and to be a really quality defender wherever he's 268 00:13:50,600 --> 00:13:53,440 Speaker 2: playing outfield defense, I think we'll be fine there. So 269 00:13:54,760 --> 00:13:58,200 Speaker 2: I think Polonte could have a really surprising year to 270 00:13:58,280 --> 00:13:59,840 Speaker 2: some people. I think there's some people that have written 271 00:13:59,880 --> 00:14:03,040 Speaker 2: him because of a struggle last year, and that'd be 272 00:14:03,080 --> 00:14:04,440 Speaker 2: a guy that I would like to see take a 273 00:14:04,440 --> 00:14:07,240 Speaker 2: step forward for them because I think, you know, going 274 00:14:07,280 --> 00:14:09,720 Speaker 2: forward now, he could be somewhat of a veteran presence 275 00:14:11,040 --> 00:14:13,959 Speaker 2: if if he has a good year this year, plug 276 00:14:14,000 --> 00:14:16,560 Speaker 2: him into the rotation as a staple for next year, 277 00:14:16,920 --> 00:14:19,400 Speaker 2: and then maybe he kind of helps bridge a gap 278 00:14:19,440 --> 00:14:21,040 Speaker 2: here to where you don't have to add you know, 279 00:14:21,120 --> 00:14:22,640 Speaker 2: two starters, you just add one. 280 00:14:24,200 --> 00:14:26,760 Speaker 1: So I'm going to take your advice and when you 281 00:14:26,840 --> 00:14:30,440 Speaker 1: hit some sort of turbulence, you have to adapt as 282 00:14:30,440 --> 00:14:33,680 Speaker 1: a veteran. I'm a veteran broadcaster, so I'm going to 283 00:14:33,720 --> 00:14:37,360 Speaker 1: switch it up. Because we kind of talked about everyone 284 00:14:37,440 --> 00:14:41,240 Speaker 1: being on board with the wins and losses don't really matter. 285 00:14:41,320 --> 00:14:45,600 Speaker 1: But I wonder, and I'll throw this out to Lance first, 286 00:14:46,000 --> 00:14:49,680 Speaker 1: with a guy like Ali who got the extension, where 287 00:14:49,720 --> 00:14:54,200 Speaker 1: managers typically are judged on wins and losses, he will 288 00:14:54,200 --> 00:14:57,240 Speaker 1: be judged not on wins and losses as much as 289 00:14:57,760 --> 00:15:01,800 Speaker 1: player development, because that's what this year is all about. So, Lence, 290 00:15:02,880 --> 00:15:05,400 Speaker 1: what does it look like for Ali in terms of 291 00:15:05,800 --> 00:15:09,560 Speaker 1: what is successful when you're judging how he did this year? 292 00:15:10,840 --> 00:15:12,920 Speaker 3: I think it's the process, right, How are these guys 293 00:15:12,960 --> 00:15:16,440 Speaker 3: day in and out fixing their mistakes from the game 294 00:15:16,480 --> 00:15:20,080 Speaker 3: before or as the season goes on. You're seeing quality 295 00:15:20,120 --> 00:15:24,960 Speaker 3: innings thrown, quality at bats taken, you know, just working counts, 296 00:15:25,000 --> 00:15:28,080 Speaker 3: working pictures and stuff like that. So that's the main thing, right, 297 00:15:28,640 --> 00:15:33,080 Speaker 3: is making sure these kids are staying on track pre game, 298 00:15:33,520 --> 00:15:35,480 Speaker 3: getting their work in, doing the things they need to 299 00:15:35,480 --> 00:15:37,680 Speaker 3: do to be prepared for the game. Because they're talented 300 00:15:37,800 --> 00:15:40,400 Speaker 3: enough to surprise people. They really are. I mean, they're 301 00:15:40,400 --> 00:15:42,560 Speaker 3: talented enough to be big leaguers. There's no one on 302 00:15:42,720 --> 00:15:46,200 Speaker 3: the roster that's like, hey, that's not a he's not 303 00:15:46,280 --> 00:15:49,360 Speaker 3: talented enough to be a major leaguer. Now is he ready, 304 00:15:49,960 --> 00:15:54,600 Speaker 3: maybe not, But the process of simplifying things daily to 305 00:15:54,680 --> 00:15:57,240 Speaker 3: help them grow and build one thing at a time, 306 00:15:57,840 --> 00:15:59,800 Speaker 3: that's the thing that you're going to look at this year, 307 00:16:00,040 --> 00:16:03,000 Speaker 3: and then seeing them kind of put those things together 308 00:16:03,040 --> 00:16:05,280 Speaker 3: as the year goes on and they'll start racking up wins. 309 00:16:05,520 --> 00:16:08,080 Speaker 3: I mean, there's everyone wants to talk about win loss. 310 00:16:08,080 --> 00:16:08,320 Speaker 1: You don't. 311 00:16:08,320 --> 00:16:10,560 Speaker 3: We're not worried about win loss. But when you're when 312 00:16:10,600 --> 00:16:14,200 Speaker 3: you're winning games and learning and doing these things, it's 313 00:16:14,240 --> 00:16:17,320 Speaker 3: better for everybody and it's a better vibe. So you know, 314 00:16:17,400 --> 00:16:19,920 Speaker 3: I hope they're able to, you know, win games add 315 00:16:19,920 --> 00:16:22,000 Speaker 3: a better clip than people think they're going to. Because 316 00:16:22,000 --> 00:16:24,280 Speaker 3: that will also make sure as they go on this 317 00:16:24,400 --> 00:16:27,720 Speaker 3: year that the product and the work will be they'll 318 00:16:27,760 --> 00:16:31,120 Speaker 3: be seeing that in wins and that will help the 319 00:16:31,200 --> 00:16:34,400 Speaker 3: process for everybody. And nobody wants to lose. This scroup 320 00:16:34,440 --> 00:16:36,200 Speaker 3: doesn't want to lose. They want to show everybody that 321 00:16:36,200 --> 00:16:39,000 Speaker 3: they're major lye talented players and they're ready to help 322 00:16:39,040 --> 00:16:42,520 Speaker 3: teams too. So but when you have young teams and 323 00:16:42,600 --> 00:16:45,400 Speaker 3: this and that, it's like, hey, every day there's a process. 324 00:16:45,480 --> 00:16:47,440 Speaker 3: You're playing the game hard, you're doing the right thing, 325 00:16:47,760 --> 00:16:50,240 Speaker 3: and hey, let them go and let them make mistakes, 326 00:16:50,240 --> 00:16:52,560 Speaker 3: but as long as you're correcting those mistakes, and it's 327 00:16:52,560 --> 00:16:55,200 Speaker 3: not like, oh, let's just make mistakes and they'll figure 328 00:16:55,200 --> 00:16:57,520 Speaker 3: it out. It's no. When you make mistakes, we're correcting it, 329 00:16:57,800 --> 00:16:59,520 Speaker 3: and then we're trying to figure out what makes you 330 00:16:59,560 --> 00:17:01,520 Speaker 3: good and we can keep that and then make you 331 00:17:01,600 --> 00:17:04,200 Speaker 3: better as year goes on. On the little things that 332 00:17:04,320 --> 00:17:08,000 Speaker 3: might be quote unquote your your your stuff that's not 333 00:17:08,119 --> 00:17:10,200 Speaker 3: quite up to par yet, how we make that a 334 00:17:10,240 --> 00:17:11,600 Speaker 3: little better as the year goes on too. 335 00:17:12,600 --> 00:17:15,480 Speaker 1: So we've talked about runway for players, but Ali has 336 00:17:15,520 --> 00:17:18,720 Speaker 1: some runway now that he's got the extension. And let's 337 00:17:18,760 --> 00:17:22,600 Speaker 1: face that, expectations aren't that high for this ball club. 338 00:17:22,960 --> 00:17:25,439 Speaker 1: But I would think Kyle that that's also sort of 339 00:17:25,440 --> 00:17:29,320 Speaker 1: a challenge for a manager where your players also understand 340 00:17:29,600 --> 00:17:32,119 Speaker 1: they have to produce, but they have to get better, 341 00:17:32,520 --> 00:17:34,720 Speaker 1: but it's not about wins and losses. So how do 342 00:17:34,760 --> 00:17:37,200 Speaker 1: you judge what Oli's doing in your view? 343 00:17:39,760 --> 00:17:42,280 Speaker 2: Well, I think I think we'll ask me a lot 344 00:17:42,280 --> 00:17:46,120 Speaker 2: of good points there, and I think you know, we're 345 00:17:46,160 --> 00:17:48,440 Speaker 2: everybody's looking for a prommer of success here, So I'm 346 00:17:48,440 --> 00:17:51,480 Speaker 2: gonna I'm gonna answer your question, Jim, very reluctantly, because 347 00:17:51,720 --> 00:17:54,760 Speaker 2: I think it's a loaded question that you've been doing 348 00:17:54,760 --> 00:17:57,159 Speaker 2: this all day to me. We've been doing it all 349 00:17:57,200 --> 00:17:58,800 Speaker 2: day to us, So I'm gonna keep I'll just keep 350 00:17:58,840 --> 00:18:02,200 Speaker 2: going here. We don't need to ruin this. I think 351 00:18:02,320 --> 00:18:08,679 Speaker 2: that the less four to five game losing streaks, I 352 00:18:08,680 --> 00:18:11,119 Speaker 2: think that's a good sign. I think if your players 353 00:18:11,119 --> 00:18:12,800 Speaker 2: can get over a couple of losses and move on 354 00:18:12,880 --> 00:18:14,680 Speaker 2: and win the next series, I think that's a good thing. 355 00:18:15,160 --> 00:18:18,160 Speaker 2: I think it's very hard to create and maintain culture 356 00:18:18,640 --> 00:18:22,240 Speaker 2: if you're not consistent on the winning side. I think 357 00:18:22,280 --> 00:18:24,360 Speaker 2: Ali and his staff and the players in the locker 358 00:18:24,400 --> 00:18:27,680 Speaker 2: room have the ability to keep building a good culture. 359 00:18:29,119 --> 00:18:30,960 Speaker 2: You know, I went through it in Texas in twenty 360 00:18:31,000 --> 00:18:35,560 Speaker 2: twenty one, and very blunt with me as a veteran 361 00:18:35,600 --> 00:18:37,520 Speaker 2: going into the season, we're not going to be good 362 00:18:37,800 --> 00:18:41,440 Speaker 2: and we're developing guys. And I told him, I was like, listen, 363 00:18:41,440 --> 00:18:43,720 Speaker 2: that's fine, but we're gonna have fun, and we're gonna 364 00:18:43,760 --> 00:18:45,400 Speaker 2: go out here and we're gonna play hard and we're 365 00:18:45,400 --> 00:18:47,440 Speaker 2: gonna take our licks, but we're going to have fun. 366 00:18:48,000 --> 00:18:50,680 Speaker 2: And I think it's important for Ali to keep these 367 00:18:50,680 --> 00:18:54,119 Speaker 2: guys having fun, assuming they get in a rough patch 368 00:18:54,160 --> 00:18:57,320 Speaker 2: and they and they take some tough losses. I agree 369 00:18:57,320 --> 00:18:59,159 Speaker 2: with Lance. I think this is a talented team and 370 00:18:59,160 --> 00:19:00,920 Speaker 2: if they're pitching through well, then I think they'll be 371 00:19:00,960 --> 00:19:05,720 Speaker 2: in just about every ballgame. So to what does success 372 00:19:05,720 --> 00:19:10,520 Speaker 2: look like? Manage twenty six players and maintain your culture 373 00:19:10,520 --> 00:19:13,879 Speaker 2: and grow that culture so that you get the best 374 00:19:13,880 --> 00:19:16,040 Speaker 2: out of your players. And who knows what that looks like. 375 00:19:16,480 --> 00:19:19,399 Speaker 2: Who knows JJ Weatherhold's ceiling. Who knows what Mason Winn 376 00:19:19,720 --> 00:19:22,800 Speaker 2: can become offensively even better than he is. I think 377 00:19:22,800 --> 00:19:24,639 Speaker 2: there's a high ceiling for a lot of these guys. 378 00:19:24,720 --> 00:19:26,919 Speaker 2: And the goal is maybe after the All Star break, 379 00:19:27,119 --> 00:19:28,800 Speaker 2: let's see if those next couple of months to end 380 00:19:28,800 --> 00:19:30,439 Speaker 2: the year look like and see if these guys are 381 00:19:30,440 --> 00:19:31,720 Speaker 2: getting closer to that type of seal. 382 00:19:32,600 --> 00:19:36,040 Speaker 1: Fair enough, now, all of our World Baseball Classic coverage 383 00:19:36,480 --> 00:19:38,960 Speaker 1: is brought to you by our friends at Fox one, 384 00:19:39,560 --> 00:19:43,000 Speaker 1: which is live stream all of your Fox favorites in 385 00:19:43,000 --> 00:19:47,119 Speaker 1: one place, including all WBC games, and after that, the 386 00:19:47,160 --> 00:19:52,360 Speaker 1: best MLB action all season long, from the WBC through 387 00:19:52,400 --> 00:19:56,199 Speaker 1: the World Series to the World Cup, to NASCAR and 388 00:19:56,440 --> 00:20:00,960 Speaker 1: Indy or Indy Car I should say with Fox one, 389 00:20:01,040 --> 00:20:04,160 Speaker 1: you get it all live. Start your seven day free 390 00:20:04,200 --> 00:20:09,240 Speaker 1: trial today offers our subject to change. Download Fox one 391 00:20:09,320 --> 00:20:13,960 Speaker 1: today and stream the World Baseball Classic March sixth through 392 00:20:14,000 --> 00:20:18,160 Speaker 1: the fourteenth. Go to foxwe dot com for complete terms 393 00:20:18,240 --> 00:20:24,320 Speaker 1: and conditions. Fox one streaming right now. So, boys, let's 394 00:20:24,359 --> 00:20:27,320 Speaker 1: talk a little World Baseball Classic. Lance, I'll start with you. 395 00:20:27,400 --> 00:20:31,080 Speaker 1: First of all, our friend Matt Holliday is the hitting 396 00:20:31,119 --> 00:20:33,639 Speaker 1: coach and right now who's got a cool thing because 397 00:20:33,680 --> 00:20:36,840 Speaker 1: his kid Ethan is playing played in an exhibition game 398 00:20:37,240 --> 00:20:39,960 Speaker 1: and hanging out with a team USA. But Lance, you 399 00:20:40,400 --> 00:20:45,240 Speaker 1: were a player for team Usay, how much one do 400 00:20:45,280 --> 00:20:48,399 Speaker 1: you think Matt Holidays having not only wearing the USA 401 00:20:48,480 --> 00:20:50,600 Speaker 1: on his chest, but also having his kit along for 402 00:20:50,640 --> 00:20:51,680 Speaker 1: the ride. How cool is that? 403 00:20:52,840 --> 00:20:53,040 Speaker 2: You know? 404 00:20:53,160 --> 00:20:55,320 Speaker 3: Obviously that's one of the cooler things you can that 405 00:20:55,359 --> 00:20:57,920 Speaker 3: you can happen, you know, like we've all talked about, 406 00:20:57,920 --> 00:21:00,520 Speaker 3: when you get a chance to represent your country in 407 00:21:00,560 --> 00:21:03,080 Speaker 3: any shape or form, it's cool. But for him to 408 00:21:03,119 --> 00:21:05,400 Speaker 3: have the you know, his boy there and the dugout 409 00:21:05,400 --> 00:21:08,119 Speaker 3: as a you know, helping the expedition or exhibition like 410 00:21:08,200 --> 00:21:12,320 Speaker 3: that's that's huge, not only for the family but for USA, 411 00:21:12,400 --> 00:21:15,200 Speaker 3: and you see all these families coming together and doing 412 00:21:15,240 --> 00:21:17,840 Speaker 3: that thing, so you know, obviously they have a very 413 00:21:17,840 --> 00:21:20,640 Speaker 3: talented family being able to do the things that they're 414 00:21:20,640 --> 00:21:23,480 Speaker 3: able to do with the boys you know, being major 415 00:21:23,560 --> 00:21:25,439 Speaker 3: one being a Major leaguer and the other one, you know, 416 00:21:25,520 --> 00:21:27,679 Speaker 3: being the fourth overall pack and on his way hopefully 417 00:21:27,720 --> 00:21:30,480 Speaker 3: to be a major leaguer too. So it's kind of cool, 418 00:21:31,119 --> 00:21:33,680 Speaker 3: not only for them to see that, just because I've 419 00:21:33,680 --> 00:21:36,480 Speaker 3: known Matt for a long time, but also, uh, they 420 00:21:36,600 --> 00:21:38,679 Speaker 3: knew Ethan and Jackson when they were like five and 421 00:21:38,720 --> 00:21:41,880 Speaker 3: seven years old growing up to in the Cardinals clubhouse. 422 00:21:41,920 --> 00:21:44,399 Speaker 3: So seeing that all come together for the family is 423 00:21:44,440 --> 00:21:46,840 Speaker 3: a you know, you couldn't ask for a you know, 424 00:21:46,880 --> 00:21:50,640 Speaker 3: a better thing as a father too, So happy for him. 425 00:21:50,720 --> 00:21:53,640 Speaker 1: Pretty cool. And Kyle, I know you're a baseball fan. 426 00:21:54,720 --> 00:21:56,280 Speaker 1: I think a lot of people are pumped up with 427 00:21:56,320 --> 00:21:59,320 Speaker 1: the World Baseball Classic which has gotten underway. What do 428 00:21:59,359 --> 00:22:02,280 Speaker 1: you like about it? When as a fan watching the games? 429 00:22:02,440 --> 00:22:04,560 Speaker 1: What do you like about the World Baseball Classic? 430 00:22:06,520 --> 00:22:09,359 Speaker 2: I think the main thing to me that changes is 431 00:22:09,400 --> 00:22:15,000 Speaker 2: I think a little bit more not more more passion 432 00:22:15,080 --> 00:22:16,320 Speaker 2: is the wrong way to put it. I just think 433 00:22:16,320 --> 00:22:18,240 Speaker 2: it's a different kind of energy. You know, you're playing 434 00:22:19,200 --> 00:22:21,960 Speaker 2: a lower number of games. You know, each game probably 435 00:22:21,960 --> 00:22:25,200 Speaker 2: has a little bit more meaning, you know, a little 436 00:22:25,240 --> 00:22:28,879 Speaker 2: bit more hangs on each win, each loss. So I 437 00:22:28,880 --> 00:22:31,720 Speaker 2: think it's more of a playoff atmosphere and playoff baseball 438 00:22:31,720 --> 00:22:34,840 Speaker 2: to me, instead of the one sixty two grind. You know, 439 00:22:34,960 --> 00:22:37,639 Speaker 2: I don't think anybody's gonna say, oh, well, team you know, 440 00:22:37,720 --> 00:22:38,640 Speaker 2: say loses. 441 00:22:38,320 --> 00:22:39,919 Speaker 1: One game to Britain, It'll be fine. 442 00:22:40,840 --> 00:22:42,840 Speaker 2: You know, I don't think that's how they're looking at it, 443 00:22:42,840 --> 00:22:46,080 Speaker 2: because of the expectations for the team and how this 444 00:22:46,160 --> 00:22:49,159 Speaker 2: is all set up. So you know, each game is 445 00:22:49,960 --> 00:22:52,159 Speaker 2: basically like a swim game, a swing game in a 446 00:22:52,200 --> 00:22:54,120 Speaker 2: five game series. You know, you're trying to win Game 447 00:22:54,160 --> 00:22:56,720 Speaker 2: three and take the two to one advantage. And I 448 00:22:56,720 --> 00:22:58,560 Speaker 2: think that's why you see so much passion and so 449 00:22:58,640 --> 00:23:02,479 Speaker 2: much excitement at each moment in the game. And you know, well, 450 00:23:02,520 --> 00:23:05,320 Speaker 2: I think anybody who's seen highlights in the Dominican Republican 451 00:23:05,440 --> 00:23:10,320 Speaker 2: seeing how different countries celebrate baseball, yeah, I think you 452 00:23:10,359 --> 00:23:11,520 Speaker 2: can get excited about that. 453 00:23:12,280 --> 00:23:15,160 Speaker 1: It's really cool. Lace. I have a question, though you've 454 00:23:15,160 --> 00:23:20,160 Speaker 1: been through it, like when practice starts for Team USA, 455 00:23:20,280 --> 00:23:23,040 Speaker 1: or one of the other countries. Like you have players 456 00:23:23,400 --> 00:23:26,760 Speaker 1: from all over suddenly showing up and it's okay, now 457 00:23:26,800 --> 00:23:29,120 Speaker 1: you're a team. What's that process Like. 458 00:23:31,840 --> 00:23:33,920 Speaker 3: It's a little you feel yourself, You kind of feel 459 00:23:33,920 --> 00:23:36,600 Speaker 3: everybody out a real quick. So it's kind of it's 460 00:23:36,640 --> 00:23:39,440 Speaker 3: a fun process too, because you're so used to competing 461 00:23:39,440 --> 00:23:41,639 Speaker 3: against those guys and then you're gonna you know, if 462 00:23:41,680 --> 00:23:44,760 Speaker 3: you don't know them personally, which you know some of them, 463 00:23:44,760 --> 00:23:48,159 Speaker 3: you will, you'll have you know, past experiences, maybe you've 464 00:23:48,160 --> 00:23:50,560 Speaker 3: been teammates with them. But it's fun to get to know. 465 00:23:50,840 --> 00:23:53,480 Speaker 3: Like I got to know Kyle Schwarber in a way 466 00:23:53,640 --> 00:23:56,199 Speaker 3: that I've never really got a chance to talk to 467 00:23:56,280 --> 00:23:58,320 Speaker 3: him and all that before. And him and I have 468 00:23:58,400 --> 00:24:00,439 Speaker 3: a lot of similarities in the way we way we 469 00:24:00,480 --> 00:24:03,040 Speaker 3: go about our business and the way we uh you know, 470 00:24:03,119 --> 00:24:06,760 Speaker 3: keep clubhouses light and uh, you know, enjoy the game 471 00:24:07,240 --> 00:24:09,920 Speaker 3: in certain different ways. So that's the that's the fun. 472 00:24:09,960 --> 00:24:13,880 Speaker 3: You kind of see who it's like the Mighty Ducks, 473 00:24:13,920 --> 00:24:15,760 Speaker 3: right when everybody comes together, it's like, who's gonna be 474 00:24:15,800 --> 00:24:18,080 Speaker 3: the Bash Brothers, Who's going to be like your your 475 00:24:18,160 --> 00:24:21,000 Speaker 3: quiet group and stuff like that. So I liken it 476 00:24:21,040 --> 00:24:22,840 Speaker 3: to that movie. It's like, hey, we brought all these 477 00:24:22,840 --> 00:24:25,400 Speaker 3: guys together, we got new and it's like, let's see 478 00:24:25,640 --> 00:24:27,800 Speaker 3: see the bullies are gonna be, Let's see the funny 479 00:24:27,800 --> 00:24:29,960 Speaker 3: guys are gonna be. And that's always a fun time 480 00:24:30,080 --> 00:24:32,639 Speaker 3: to see that dynamic come together. And it's got to 481 00:24:32,680 --> 00:24:34,760 Speaker 3: come together quick and the good the best part about 482 00:24:35,359 --> 00:24:37,399 Speaker 3: UH coming together is you get sitting a dugout and 483 00:24:37,440 --> 00:24:39,359 Speaker 3: you get you get to compete right away, so it 484 00:24:39,480 --> 00:24:42,600 Speaker 3: just naturally comes out too. And that's it's not hard 485 00:24:42,720 --> 00:24:44,520 Speaker 3: to bring it out of us. When we start competing, 486 00:24:44,560 --> 00:24:47,399 Speaker 3: our natural instincts takeover and then everyone just kind of 487 00:24:47,440 --> 00:24:49,560 Speaker 3: falls in line, and it's it's usually pretty fun and 488 00:24:49,560 --> 00:24:50,520 Speaker 3: it happens quick. 489 00:24:51,800 --> 00:24:54,119 Speaker 1: And kind of I know you're a big proponent of 490 00:24:54,359 --> 00:24:58,760 Speaker 1: UH of baseball in general, but isn't isn't the World 491 00:24:58,800 --> 00:25:04,080 Speaker 1: Baseball Classic a great advertisement for MLB? Isn't that? Like? 492 00:25:04,680 --> 00:25:07,959 Speaker 1: I mean, it gets fans excited because there's you know, 493 00:25:08,000 --> 00:25:10,480 Speaker 1: you're rooting for your team and your team has done 494 00:25:10,520 --> 00:25:12,399 Speaker 1: with spring training. Now it's time for the season. 495 00:25:13,960 --> 00:25:17,600 Speaker 2: Well, Jim, I think we can take from mister Colin Cowherd. 496 00:25:17,640 --> 00:25:19,960 Speaker 2: I know Stella was upset, but you know, sixty seven 497 00:25:20,400 --> 00:25:23,080 Speaker 2: and fourteen thousand baseball fans feel pretty encouraged about where 498 00:25:23,119 --> 00:25:25,160 Speaker 2: the state of the game is. So I think that's 499 00:25:25,160 --> 00:25:28,240 Speaker 2: a good thing we can hang around on. And I 500 00:25:28,240 --> 00:25:30,639 Speaker 2: think the World Baseball Classic highlights that. I think you 501 00:25:30,720 --> 00:25:34,040 Speaker 2: have all star teams from each country coming together playing 502 00:25:34,040 --> 00:25:37,280 Speaker 2: the game. This is an international game in my mind, 503 00:25:37,440 --> 00:25:42,400 Speaker 2: unlike any other major sport. You know, just about every continent, 504 00:25:42,440 --> 00:25:45,280 Speaker 2: if not every continent is represented. I mean, it's just 505 00:25:45,359 --> 00:25:49,680 Speaker 2: it's an international, world, global game, and I think it's 506 00:25:49,680 --> 00:25:52,360 Speaker 2: pretty cool to see all star teams from from each 507 00:25:52,400 --> 00:25:56,439 Speaker 2: country come together and show their best. And yeah, I 508 00:25:56,480 --> 00:25:59,800 Speaker 2: think I think you see the best of baseball in 509 00:25:59,840 --> 00:26:01,879 Speaker 2: the moments, and hopefully, you know it can carry some 510 00:26:01,880 --> 00:26:04,120 Speaker 2: momentum into Opening Day like I did a few years ago. 511 00:26:05,119 --> 00:26:07,520 Speaker 1: Well, I got to say that in spite of the 512 00:26:07,520 --> 00:26:10,119 Speaker 1: fact that Kyle was a little gruff and he was 513 00:26:10,200 --> 00:26:14,600 Speaker 1: okay with Colin Cowhart calling the Cardinals cruddy. 514 00:26:15,800 --> 00:26:18,440 Speaker 2: I just I don't understand why you why you're doing 515 00:26:18,440 --> 00:26:20,560 Speaker 2: this to me, you know, like you're holding this against me, when, 516 00:26:20,680 --> 00:26:23,400 Speaker 2: like I said, we agreed with Colin on ninety nine 517 00:26:23,440 --> 00:26:26,280 Speaker 2: percent of what he said. Lance, he totally agreed with 518 00:26:26,359 --> 00:26:29,120 Speaker 2: us on how it's not the Dodgers running baseball, it's 519 00:26:29,440 --> 00:26:32,200 Speaker 2: the kruddy Cardinals, which I don't even think the cruddy 520 00:26:32,240 --> 00:26:34,800 Speaker 2: Cardinals are running baseball, but it's he just lumped them 521 00:26:34,800 --> 00:26:37,680 Speaker 2: in because they're a team and a rebuild. Other than that, 522 00:26:38,160 --> 00:26:40,119 Speaker 2: we agreed with everything that he said, and I think 523 00:26:40,200 --> 00:26:42,720 Speaker 2: Lance would say the same thing. So Stella must have 524 00:26:42,800 --> 00:26:44,880 Speaker 2: got caught up in this social media. 525 00:26:45,760 --> 00:26:51,119 Speaker 1: Right, No, No, that's it. He through the adjective on 526 00:26:51,440 --> 00:26:52,679 Speaker 1: just the Cardinals. 527 00:26:52,920 --> 00:26:55,640 Speaker 2: Well it's no, it's it's not an adjective. Listen, I'm 528 00:26:55,640 --> 00:26:57,560 Speaker 2: not an English major, but it has something. It's a 529 00:26:58,400 --> 00:27:01,480 Speaker 2: you know, Cardinals c karate see you know, it just 530 00:27:01,520 --> 00:27:04,160 Speaker 2: it happened to work out that way. He's immedia personality, 531 00:27:04,160 --> 00:27:06,480 Speaker 2: you know. I just think Stella probably got caught up 532 00:27:06,520 --> 00:27:09,399 Speaker 2: in social media where she saw a six second clip 533 00:27:09,480 --> 00:27:13,480 Speaker 2: and didn't get any context and saw Colin Cowherd also 534 00:27:13,560 --> 00:27:16,440 Speaker 2: two more sees say kreddie Cardinals, and now she got mad. 535 00:27:16,680 --> 00:27:18,760 Speaker 2: You know, come on, come on, Stelly. 536 00:27:18,560 --> 00:27:19,080 Speaker 1: Gotta be better. 537 00:27:19,160 --> 00:27:23,080 Speaker 3: His only defense is in probably in its lifetime, the 538 00:27:23,119 --> 00:27:26,439 Speaker 3: Cardinals have never done this. So he's just he's just 539 00:27:26,560 --> 00:27:28,560 Speaker 3: that's where he's at on this and he sees that 540 00:27:28,760 --> 00:27:31,840 Speaker 3: them as an organization that's probably on the Mount Rushmore's 541 00:27:31,960 --> 00:27:35,119 Speaker 3: of organizations, and he was not expecting to see this, 542 00:27:35,280 --> 00:27:39,199 Speaker 3: So that's his that's his call. Was it the right word? 543 00:27:39,760 --> 00:27:43,639 Speaker 2: I don't know, jam You also had a lot of assumptions. 544 00:27:43,680 --> 00:27:45,400 Speaker 1: It's not we'll have to roll back. 545 00:27:45,520 --> 00:27:47,239 Speaker 2: What the rollback to take to that, Jim, you made 546 00:27:47,280 --> 00:27:49,560 Speaker 2: a lot of assumptions about me. I'm a big proponent 547 00:27:49,600 --> 00:27:51,119 Speaker 2: of baseball, whether it's sure or not. You just you 548 00:27:51,200 --> 00:27:52,800 Speaker 2: assumed a lot of things as you led me into 549 00:27:52,880 --> 00:27:55,000 Speaker 2: questions today, and it kind of kind of made me 550 00:27:55,000 --> 00:27:56,680 Speaker 2: push back across my arms a little bit. But we'll 551 00:27:56,680 --> 00:27:57,680 Speaker 2: see how next show goes. 552 00:27:58,119 --> 00:28:00,720 Speaker 1: You know what happens to you pretty well? I think 553 00:28:00,760 --> 00:28:03,160 Speaker 1: from spot on, that's gonna do it for this edition 554 00:28:03,520 --> 00:28:06,240 Speaker 1: of Cardinal Territory. We'll see you next time for the 555 00:28:06,280 --> 00:28:08,840 Speaker 1: next episode. Hopefully that one won't be crunny. 556 00:28:10,400 --> 00:28:10,440 Speaker 2: H