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Speaker 1: Now your hosts, Barry Church, Danny McCrae, and Newey Scrugs.
Speaker 1: Here we are a Friday. Everybody ready to talk Dallas
Speaker 1: Cowboys football with you for one full hour. I am
Speaker 1: Newi Scrugs, longtime Cowboys reporter, and I'm joined by two
Speaker 1: former Cowboys players. Danny McCray and Barry Church. Were broadcasting
Speaker 1: from our homes doing things in this new COVID nineteen
Speaker 1: that we've been dealing with here. So let's kick this
Speaker 1: thing off. Barry and Danny talking about the Cowboys and
Speaker 1: the fact that they're practicing. We had nineteen in the
Speaker 1: National Football League yesterday decide not to practice and hold
Speaker 1: conversations dealing with social injustice. I was watching the Los
Speaker 1: Angeles Chargers from so Far Stadium and they ended up
Speaker 1: really going on the NFL networking several players just talking
Speaker 1: about what they were discussing as a team and what's
Speaker 1: been going on in the world. Here. The Cowboys practice yesterday.
Speaker 1: Mike McCarthy spoke about these guys wanting to practice today.
Speaker 1: So I'll start with you, Danny mccraig, your thoughts on
Speaker 1: the Cowboys and the fact that right now they're practicing
Speaker 1: and no, by the way, the multiple Ravens did not
Speaker 1: practice today. Yeah, I'm absolutely not surprised. I guess the
Speaker 1: grace didn't reach that far to let these guys sit
Speaker 1: out of practice and really get this discussion started in
Speaker 1: the locker room and kind of change the culture of
Speaker 1: the team and how we kind of think about protests
Speaker 1: and social injustice. So I'm not really surprised. I wish
Speaker 1: it would have went the other way. And of course,
Speaker 1: you know, coach is going to say the players wanted
Speaker 1: to practice, so so, you know, just to kind of
Speaker 1: save them in the public eye. But I'm sure it
Speaker 1: was some guys in the locker room who felt like
Speaker 1: they didn't want to go out there in practice and
Speaker 1: they would rather do what the other teams were doing
Speaker 1: around the NFL, but they just didn't get the chance too.
Speaker 1: So hopefully sometimes in their future were able to change
Speaker 1: the outlook of the Cowboys and this social injustice and
Speaker 1: protesting process. But as of today, I'm definitely not surprised
Speaker 1: that we are a team that's practice a church. Yeah.
Speaker 1: Like like McCray said, I'm not surprised. We all kind
Speaker 1: of figured that this was going to happen. I mean,
Speaker 1: the Cowboys have been kind of quiet throughout this social
Speaker 1: injustice programming. But listening to what the coach said, Coach McCarthy,
Speaker 1: I think you know, when they had to sit down
Speaker 1: discussion with the players and discussing social injustice, the players
Speaker 1: as a whole decided that they would rather go forward
Speaker 1: with practice. I mean that's from what you know Coach
Speaker 1: McCarthy had said. So as a coach, I mean, you
Speaker 1: can't force your team to sit out of practice. And
Speaker 1: even though we all well I know myself I can
Speaker 1: just speak for myself. I wish they would have stayed
Speaker 1: set out of practice just to kind of had a
Speaker 1: symbol there. But if your players want to go forward
Speaker 1: with practice and they want to continue doing what they
Speaker 1: have to do to get ready for the season, then
Speaker 1: you can't play the coach and staff or anything like
Speaker 1: that for going to continue with practice. If the players
Speaker 1: want that, that's what the players do, and that's and
Speaker 1: that's their team. So they decided to keep it moving
Speaker 1: hopefully they can continue to talk about social injustice within
Speaker 1: the team and get a better, better solution to it
Speaker 1: going forward. But I'm not surprised at all by the
Speaker 1: staying in practice. Wait, Church, tell me this. Do you
Speaker 1: think that the players are comfortable enough and feel like
Speaker 1: they like they can voice their opinion to not want
Speaker 1: to practice because of social justice at this point? Or
Speaker 1: is it like we know where certain people stand, and
Speaker 1: we know and we feel like if we speak out
Speaker 1: opposite of that, then you know, we'll probably be fired
Speaker 1: or we'll be looked at a certain way. We have
Speaker 1: to worry about getting released just just based on comments
Speaker 1: that were made in the past. Oh, I can guarantee
Speaker 1: you that there's a lot of players who felt uncomfortable
Speaker 1: going forward with practice is um. But like you said,
Speaker 1: there's you know, there's kind of a hierarchy to this,
Speaker 1: and if the players and the leaders in place of
Speaker 1: those players decide that, you know, we need to go
Speaker 1: ahead with practice, UM, then that's what the team is
Speaker 1: going to decide to. I mean, I know it's not
Speaker 1: a it's kind of a it's not a majority rules
Speaker 1: type situation. It's more of a what are the leaders
Speaker 1: of the team decide to do and then that's what
Speaker 1: they do going forward. So, um, like like you said earlier,
Speaker 1: I'm not surprised, but I wish they would have had
Speaker 1: a better solution for this. All right, let's hear from
Speaker 1: head coach Mike McCarthy. He spoke at seven fifteen to
Speaker 1: the media today. The Cowboys ended up practicing from eight
Speaker 1: o'clock to ten o'clock am this morning. So here's coach McCarthy. Well,
Speaker 1: I mean when you talk about conversations, I think it's
Speaker 1: the obvious is you're having multiple individual conversations throughout the day.
Speaker 1: We had a chance to address it as a team. Uh,
Speaker 1: you know, just just our directions as far as you know,
Speaker 1: making sure that everybody has the opportunity to be heard.
Speaker 1: That was that was right after after practice and and
Speaker 1: then we took you know, we had we had a
Speaker 1: team meeting there two forty five. We had an open form.
Speaker 1: You know, a number of people spoke and I feel
Speaker 1: like we have very good dialogue going on. And uh,
Speaker 1: as you know, as far as the direction, you know,
Speaker 1: we're we're going to continue to to work. Um, I
Speaker 1: you know, just talking to the couple of the players
Speaker 1: one on one. UM, you know, they they want to
Speaker 1: practice and UM, so we'll just continue to talk through
Speaker 1: this and UM, once again, it's a it's about supporting everybody,
Speaker 1: you know, particularly from my focus in the football operation,
Speaker 1: and right now my high focuses on the players. All right.
Speaker 1: So that's coach McCarthy. And he kept talking about conversations.
Speaker 1: And here's the question that I didn't get to ask him,
Speaker 1: but I will at some point in time, is when
Speaker 1: do the conversations lead to actions? Verry? That's that's the
Speaker 1: question that I think we're all asking ourselves and asking
Speaker 1: of the Cowboys. Um. You know, when I wish he
Speaker 1: would have had more context to this. I mean he's saying,
Speaker 1: you know, we have conversations, and I've talked to a
Speaker 1: couple of the players individually. I wish he would have said,
Speaker 1: you know, I talked to the leaders, or I talked
Speaker 1: to Dak Prescott, or I talked to you know, Jalen
Speaker 1: Smith or those guys to see how to pick their brain.
Speaker 1: But UM, I wish she just had a little bit
Speaker 1: more context. What are the conversations you're having, what are
Speaker 1: the questions that you're asking, or what are the questions
Speaker 1: your players are asking of the Cowboys to do. So
Speaker 1: I just wish he had a little bit more context
Speaker 1: to this so we could see a little bit more
Speaker 1: action from the Dallas Cowboys, but so far we haven't
Speaker 1: seen much. Now, let me understand, Danny, I was on
Speaker 1: the call, and so Mike said he didn't want to
Speaker 1: discuss that of what the players said, and he told
Speaker 1: us and our conversations with the players to ask them.
Speaker 1: So he was trying to make sure that he didn't
Speaker 1: step out of bounds with what they were saying. So
Speaker 1: he wanted them to say. And so I give him
Speaker 1: credit on that aspect of saying, hey, look, let the
Speaker 1: players tell you exactly what they want to tell you,
Speaker 1: and I'll make sure I lay back. And I also
Speaker 1: asked McCarthy about Rob Davis, who's the Cowboys assistant head coach,
Speaker 1: and I said, how much do you lean on him? Uh?
Speaker 1: You know, African American, a guy's he's been with for
Speaker 1: a lot of years who grew up in DC. And
Speaker 1: he said he talks to Rob a lot. So I
Speaker 1: get the feeling that Mike is really trying to give
Speaker 1: his players the opportunity to do a little bit kind
Speaker 1: of what they wanted. You to let them lead him
Speaker 1: where they want to go with this. Mccraig, go ahead,
Speaker 1: I mean back to the action part before you before
Speaker 1: you know, you get from from addressing and then to action.
Speaker 1: I'm still waiting on acknowledgement, right, Like I just want
Speaker 1: to hear, just like any like the Packers coach, like
Speaker 1: La Fleur, hey man, this is wrong. This stuff is happening.
Speaker 1: This is wrong. We're against it, and we want to
Speaker 1: do something to correct it, like we want to move
Speaker 1: forward to figure out a way to get this fixed.
Speaker 1: It's never anything that comes like that. Like that was like, yeah,
Speaker 1: the players, we talked about. It was open dialogue and
Speaker 1: I'm here for the players. Well, here for the players
Speaker 1: to me is hey man, this is wrong. We understand
Speaker 1: how y'all feel. We see the same thing that y'all see.
Speaker 1: Our eyes may have been closed, but now they're open
Speaker 1: and now we're with y'all and we want to figure
Speaker 1: out how to get this thing fixed and we're following,
Speaker 1: following your league. Like, I just want to hear some acknowledgement,
Speaker 1: and I think that comes before you're able to actually say, hey,
Speaker 1: we're about to put this plan into place and and
Speaker 1: really act on something. Michael Gelkett of the Dallas Warning
Speaker 1: News on the call today asked McCarthy, being a white man,
Speaker 1: knowing that you can't experience what your black players go through,
Speaker 1: you know, what do you do? And he said, quarter,
Speaker 1: I'm a white man and I'm trying to understand what's
Speaker 1: truly going on. So I thought when that Mike did
Speaker 1: acknowledge as much as he could in terms of, hey, look,
Speaker 1: I know I'm on the outside. That's where he talked
Speaker 1: about Rob Davis and having Rob Davis in the discussions
Speaker 1: as well here so that it might come out and
Speaker 1: tell you black lives matter the way Mike Gundy of
Speaker 1: v Oklahoma State didn't. No, he did not, not, not
Speaker 1: the way that Rick Carlisle or some other other NBA
Speaker 1: coaches did. No, he did not, but he did come.
Speaker 1: At least I felt the sense that the head coach
Speaker 1: understands that they got to have these conversations. They need
Speaker 1: to get together and try to figure out how they
Speaker 1: want to go about their business. But the players are
Speaker 1: telling him they want to practice and they want to
Speaker 1: go about their business. Tyrann Smith, we were trying to
Speaker 1: get the audio of tyr Tyrn Smith said that they
Speaker 1: needed to balance doing their jobs and also looking at
Speaker 1: societal and social justice issues. So I keep hearing from
Speaker 1: the players they want to go out here and practice
Speaker 1: and get ready for the season. So that's what I'm
Speaker 1: getting for the players. Well, yeah, this is the Cowboys,
Speaker 1: and they won't say anything opposite, So I don't expect
Speaker 1: to hear anything opposite of that from anyone, no matter everything.
Speaker 1: Feel feel that way or not. It's it's always been
Speaker 1: business as usual, even when JG was here, and it
Speaker 1: looks like that it's going forward the same way. I
Speaker 1: think we will be the outlining for the remainder of
Speaker 1: the season when it comes to these social injustice pushes,
Speaker 1: and the team will continue to say, hey, we're focused
Speaker 1: on the next game, we focused on this, we focused
Speaker 1: on that, and the acknowledgement of what we're talking about
Speaker 1: now is not coming out. And I feel kind of
Speaker 1: opposite of you knowing with McCarthy, kind of acknowledging what's
Speaker 1: going on out there, because you don't have to be
Speaker 1: black to see that this stuff is wrong and understand
Speaker 1: you understand that people getting killed in the streets, even
Speaker 1: if they're innocent or guilty, not being able to go
Speaker 1: to George the court and uh, you know, and be
Speaker 1: tried by jury or received true justice and just being killed.
Speaker 1: You don't have to be blacked to see that that's
Speaker 1: wrong or learn to understand that this has been going
Speaker 1: on for four years just an NFL with Colin Kaepernick.
Speaker 1: So understanding what's four years ago now is acknowledging and
Speaker 1: doing something about it. Cam cam Irving spoke to the
Speaker 1: media today and cam Irving said, let me quote, you
Speaker 1: feel angry, you feel frustration, you feel there's nothing that
Speaker 1: you can really do. He went on to say that
Speaker 1: the players and the team are still deciding what to
Speaker 1: do and quote further progress. We don't want to come
Speaker 1: out with a bunch of different opinions and views and quote,
Speaker 1: and he said that they want to be united. And
Speaker 1: I keep hearing that from Cowboy players, that we want
Speaker 1: to do something as a team. I don't know what
Speaker 1: that is, Danny, but that I keep I keep waiting
Speaker 1: on the action. I keep hearing as a conversation, we're meeting,
Speaker 1: we're talking. One day, We're gonna one day, one day
Speaker 1: we're gonna do something. And you got you gotta gonna
Speaker 1: see it. You're all gonna feel it so, so get ready.
Speaker 1: The last time they came out as a team, they
Speaker 1: came out and took a nap before the anthem for
Speaker 1: the Arizona Cardinals game, right, that was their team unity
Speaker 1: for a moment of prayers. So I'm not I'm not
Speaker 1: banking on any team unity message or are playing the
Speaker 1: actually coming out. I got to see it to believe it,
Speaker 1: as as I've always been and what I've seen, I'm
Speaker 1: not believing. I mean, and they can think about it,
Speaker 1: and the players that they've told you themselves, even Tyron Smith,
Speaker 1: he said, you know, we're focused on a balance and
Speaker 1: getting after practice and you know, getting ready for the season.
Speaker 1: So if that's one of your leaders of your team
Speaker 1: speaking that way, saying we're getting ready for the season,
Speaker 1: I mean, I just don't see any action or even
Speaker 1: conversations taking place in that locker room if that one
Speaker 1: of your leaders is focusing on getting ready for the
Speaker 1: season and practice and preparation. So I don't know if
Speaker 1: I believe that conversations are happening within that locker room now.
Speaker 1: Terry Polis Terry Poe is so I'm happy for him.
Speaker 1: I'm happy he's saying what he's saying, so I'm good
Speaker 1: with him, all right. I want to make sure we're
Speaker 1: being fair to tiring. Now he spoke about we are
Speaker 1: having conversations, we are talking, but we also are preparing
Speaker 1: as a team. So I want to make sure that
Speaker 1: I get that shure. That's why I'm trying to get
Speaker 1: the audio because because you know, we can can misconstrue
Speaker 1: this a little bit if you haven't heard what he's
Speaker 1: actually saying here. Now, Danny, when you go back to
Speaker 1: what we spoke, what you spoke about with Arizona. Jerry
Speaker 1: Jones was on one oh five three, the Fan of
Speaker 1: the Cowboys flagship radio station on Tuesday, and Jerry said,
Speaker 1: that's what he's hoping for. He's hoping to have another
Speaker 1: compromise where they make both sides somehow feel good. So
Speaker 1: Jerry's still trying to walk this line here in terms
Speaker 1: of how they go forward with their message or their
Speaker 1: unity as a team. So that's what Jerry's rooting for
Speaker 1: right now. But Nui, what do you mean by both sides?
Speaker 1: I was kind of confused, what do you mean by
Speaker 1: both appeasing both? Well, Jerry has consistently let you know
Speaker 1: that he is he and when he talked. Remember we
Speaker 1: talked about the whole Grace thing. What he was trying
Speaker 1: to get with grace. He wants to make sure that, Okay,
Speaker 1: I don't upset my fans that think that these protests
Speaker 1: are wrong. And oh, by the way, I don't want
Speaker 1: to upset my fans who were saying, you know, I
Speaker 1: with the players want to kneel and I want to
Speaker 1: support that. He's trying to have it both ways. He's
Speaker 1: trying to be a businessman that makes all of his
Speaker 1: customers happy, which you cannot do in this situation. You
Speaker 1: do have to choose a side here, and that's where
Speaker 1: Jerry's trying not to do. He's trying not to prove it.
Speaker 1: He's trying not to choose the side. And I feel
Speaker 1: like the players are also trying to do that same thing.
Speaker 1: We want to do something united, and we want to
Speaker 1: do something where we make everyone happy and nobody feels uncomfortable.
Speaker 1: Somebody's got feel uncomfortable. Okay, that's a bottom. You're going
Speaker 1: to make people feel uncomfortable. I'll tell you this. Listen
Speaker 1: at the rates going and what we're hearing from some
Speaker 1: of these NFL teams and players, the hand will be forced.
Speaker 1: Imagine playing the New York Giants and you go out
Speaker 1: there for warm ups, and you go out there for
Speaker 1: the game, and that team doesn't come out, and you
Speaker 1: out there with your helming on, you gass though ready
Speaker 1: running out there eleven personnel, and everybody else in the
Speaker 1: league it's not playing. You will be the outlier in
Speaker 1: your side will be chosen. That is a picture that
Speaker 1: I hope we don't see what the Cowboys, But like
Speaker 1: I said, I don't believe that we were going the
Speaker 1: other duration. But then we're focusing on the season while
Speaker 1: all these other people are focusing on human rights well
Speaker 1: having conversations though. So yeah, Danny, I come back to
Speaker 1: this of what you just spoke about the Giants, Um,
Speaker 1: what about the Orlando Magic who was they were put
Speaker 1: in that very situation this week where they're out there
Speaker 1: warming up and the Bucks don't come. How did you
Speaker 1: view Orlando in that situation? Yeah? I see, But I
Speaker 1: think that's a little different because that was the first.
Speaker 1: This is this is the first that has happened. I
Speaker 1: believe that that they followed suit and they were kind
Speaker 1: of caught off guard. I don't think the Cowboys would
Speaker 1: be caught off guard. I think it will be. It
Speaker 1: will be known that the other football team will not
Speaker 1: be coming out if they're if they're not going to
Speaker 1: show up and they're gonna boycott and not play, and
Speaker 1: then the Cowboys will be forced to make the decision
Speaker 1: to either go out there and play or say we're
Speaker 1: standing with the rest of the league or the rest
Speaker 1: of the players who aren't going out there in boycott.
Speaker 1: And then you will have to make that decision. And
Speaker 1: we'll see and that will be the picture. Are we
Speaker 1: out the eleven person they're going against ourselves, or are
Speaker 1: we saying we're boycotting as well because we see what's
Speaker 1: going on is wrong. Game one is against the Los
Speaker 1: Angeles Rams on NBC Sunday Night Football, Sunday Night Football.
Speaker 1: That's it. Everybody else's played that day. That means you
Speaker 1: are the last and final game. That game will be
Speaker 1: in Inglewood, California, at the brand new SOFI Stadium. And
Speaker 1: I'm gonna be honest with you, Danny, I don't see
Speaker 1: either squad having fifty three guys all say I'm not
Speaker 1: gonna play today. I just don't see that from NFL players.
Speaker 1: I don't see them doing that. I don't see their
Speaker 1: them having enough guys and all say yeah, I'll go
Speaker 1: along with this. I don't either. I don't see yeah,
Speaker 1: I don't either. I don't see this both teams. Like
Speaker 1: you said on Sunday Night Football on one of the
Speaker 1: prime time stages of the NFL as Week one kicks off,
Speaker 1: you know, I'm sorry, I just don't see either of
Speaker 1: those teams I'm taking a knee or taking any type
Speaker 1: of protest towards this situation. Okay, look at it from
Speaker 1: this point of view, right, So I don't see it
Speaker 1: happened in Week one unless another black man or black
Speaker 1: person gets killed right before the game in Week one.
Speaker 1: History shows us that sometimes throughout the season there will
Speaker 1: possibly be another racial injustice or police brutality incident that happens,
Speaker 1: and then the NFL and the players will have to
Speaker 1: react to it. So I see it happening if we
Speaker 1: have another incident like just happened, and if it doesn't,
Speaker 1: then yeah, all the teams, everybody will play. But I think,
Speaker 1: you know, this will be a kind of kind of
Speaker 1: died down and emotions would be not as high as
Speaker 1: they work come Week one. But if we have another
Speaker 1: one of these issues, then I can see that happened.
Speaker 1: I can see teams not showing all fifty three guys saying, hey,
Speaker 1: we're not going out there to play. Okay, we're cray,
Speaker 1: I'm gonna throw this check, all right, anybody is thinking
Speaker 1: about not playing an NFL game. We all know dudes
Speaker 1: are paid week to week. So you're talking about being
Speaker 1: up a check. And most of these guys, unless you
Speaker 1: got you a huge roster bonus, or you got yourself
Speaker 1: when you signed your contract, you got a nice fat
Speaker 1: salary of some salary up front here guarantee you're making
Speaker 1: your money week to week. How many guys were really
Speaker 1: willing to go out here sacrifice a check. That's something
Speaker 1: I don't really see happening. I don't see that happening.
Speaker 1: I really don't. I really don't. When you're talking about
Speaker 1: sixteen weeks and then that, and we don't know how
Speaker 1: many weeks they're gonna actually get in because of COVID.
Speaker 1: So so let's see this. So the NBA games were postponed,
Speaker 1: not canceled, So I don't see them giving up checks.
Speaker 1: And I don't see the NFL straight up cancel in
Speaker 1: the game. I see them if this happens, they will
Speaker 1: postpone or they will make their money on that game.
Speaker 1: So don't I don't see it happening like that. And
Speaker 1: we've seen some of the players willing to set out
Speaker 1: of mischecks based on COVID, so it's not impossible. And
Speaker 1: how many guys that you need to sit out before
Speaker 1: you can't play a game. I'm sure somebody had figured
Speaker 1: out out to do the numbers, and they'll get a
Speaker 1: group of guys who say, hey, we're not getting it,
Speaker 1: or you might get some guys to follow suit, just
Speaker 1: like they did and when they called out the commissioner
Speaker 1: in the NFL with Colin Kaepernick, and you get a
Speaker 1: group of leaders from each team and they speak up
Speaker 1: and then everybody follow suit. Let's not it's not impossible.
Speaker 1: Things are changing and we'll see how this thing pans
Speaker 1: out during the season. I pray that we don't have
Speaker 1: another issue like we did, but history is it's showing
Speaker 1: that this is starting to happen more frequently than not.
Speaker 1: All right, I want to go back to what I
Speaker 1: saw in the NBA where they said that the Clippers
Speaker 1: and Lakers had voted them amongst themselves to cancel the
Speaker 1: rest of the playoffs. Then the next day the players
Speaker 1: come out and say, no, we're not canceling the playoffs.
Speaker 1: And later on I read about how the NBA ownership said,
Speaker 1: if you guys end up saying it's over, we're going
Speaker 1: to be reducing salaries twenty five to It's amazing howbody
Speaker 1: decided not, but we're gonna play. When you talk about
Speaker 1: reducing salaries twenty five because this is a pandemic, Okay,
Speaker 1: I mean so, so once again, I go back to this, Danny.
Speaker 1: It's idealism. Hey, look, you know we're not gonna play,
Speaker 1: but the realism is you're not gonna get paid. And
Speaker 1: guys have bills and we know that they're guys on
Speaker 1: this football team, and across the league, some of the
Speaker 1: guys have not gotten paychecks since they last they played
Speaker 1: last year. Cut got here on fumes, man, But your
Speaker 1: comparison is off. You're talking about the NBA, who is
Speaker 1: in the first round of the playoffs, who essentially has
Speaker 1: another month to play, canceling the rest of their playoff season,
Speaker 1: versus the NFL protesting in boycotting one game. Like I don't,
Speaker 1: I don't think that comparison is equal. So yeah, of
Speaker 1: course they're gonna cut salaries put for the players is
Speaker 1: playing if they missed the second round, third round, and
Speaker 1: in the championship, Yeah, they're missing so much more time.
Speaker 1: We're comparing this to in the NFL. I mean the
Speaker 1: NBA who postponed the game they'll be playing again tomorrow,
Speaker 1: to the NFL players boycotting and possibly having to replay
Speaker 1: that game in January versus doing it in whatever week
Speaker 1: that they that they choose the boycott if if it happens.
Speaker 1: I'm just saying, it's not impossible for the NFL players
Speaker 1: to band together and say this is enough and we're boycotting.
Speaker 1: We started with practice and they're moving on up the ladder,
Speaker 1: and it can get into a game. Church. I mean,
Speaker 1: the day you gave people you put it well said.
Speaker 1: I mean, but I just don't think. I don't in
Speaker 1: my opinion, I just don't think the NFL players are
Speaker 1: gonna I just don't think the union as a players
Speaker 1: are strong enough to withstand, you know, boycotting one, two,
Speaker 1: three games. Like you said Newly, I think it all
Speaker 1: comes down. I think it all comes down to money. Um,
Speaker 1: and I think those guys who are undrafted free agents
Speaker 1: who are looking for that first paycheck that the NFL
Speaker 1: can provide for them. I don't think they're willing to
Speaker 1: step out in boycott for a pool, for a full
Speaker 1: season or for a couple of games. I think they
Speaker 1: want that paycheck and have that money. So I just
Speaker 1: think I just don't think they'd be able to do that. Barry,
Speaker 1: you know, we're still talking about we still talk about
Speaker 1: one game here. Okay, so now so now, but but
Speaker 1: what Church said here takes me back to what what
Speaker 1: are we talking about with the labor agreement here? Okay,
Speaker 1: we didn't have players who would even get together to say,
Speaker 1: you know what, we're gonna hold out withhold our services.
Speaker 1: We'll even miss some games here to get the deals
Speaker 1: we want because we are the show. So if they're
Speaker 1: not willing to do that when it comes to their
Speaker 1: own pay, we're not saying that they're gonna sit there
Speaker 1: here and miss a game. Check over social justice and
Speaker 1: you got certain guys on teams, you got a certain
Speaker 1: number of guys on teams. You're like, man, I ain't,
Speaker 1: I don't, I don't really believe in all this. It
Speaker 1: ain't happening, man, It's not happening. That's crazy. It's just
Speaker 1: too many players could team, too many personalities. In my opinion,
Speaker 1: it didn't happen in the NBA before the other night.
Speaker 1: We just said the same thing about different animal before
Speaker 1: the other night. Man, they're not protesting, not Lebron James,
Speaker 1: that never not gonna play. I know it's a different animal,
Speaker 1: but that's what But you trying to compare like it's
Speaker 1: the same. I'm just saying that it's pop. Listen, Knuis,
Speaker 1: I'm too annoy against you, right, let's not. It's very
Speaker 1: possible that if another horrific and tragic event happens that
Speaker 1: to where the whole world sees it as racial and
Speaker 1: social injustice and police brutality, that the top will come
Speaker 1: off of this thing and people will do what they
Speaker 1: need to do to bring the right attention to it.
Speaker 1: I just think it's possible. I think that that the
Speaker 1: unity is getting stronger. I think we're seeing it, and
Speaker 1: I think the NBA has has has been a shining
Speaker 1: example of what can be done when the player standing together,
Speaker 1: as you've seen with the NHL following, MLB following Soccer
Speaker 1: following w NBA following, It's only one more organization who
Speaker 1: would have to do it, and that's us, So we'll see.
Speaker 1: I still think it's possible. Like I said, I say this,
Speaker 1: I say this, and I say, I hope not because
Speaker 1: for this to happen, something horrible would have to happen again.
Speaker 1: So I really pray that none of this happens. We're
Speaker 1: just speaking of ut the players stick together if they
Speaker 1: had to, and I believe that they can. He is
Speaker 1: Danny McCrae. That's Barry Church, former Cowboys players. I knew
Speaker 1: he scrugs, longtime Cowboys reporter. All right, let's take a
Speaker 1: break here on the players Lounge. Mike McCarthy. I asked
Speaker 1: him a question today at the press conference involving Earl Thomas. Okay,
Speaker 1: he's a free agent. He's been linked to the Cowboys,
Speaker 1: and so far we don't see a deal at all
Speaker 1: between these two parties. Do they want Earl Thomas? Should
Speaker 1: the Cowboys run away from Earl Thomas? Barry and Danny
Speaker 1: have some very interesting opinions on that. Let's dive into
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Speaker 1: right here on the players lads. Okay, that was a spirited,
Speaker 1: fun twenty plus minutes going back and forth talking about
Speaker 1: social justice and what players may or may not do
Speaker 1: in the NFL versus what's going on in the NBA,
Speaker 1: and also what the Dallas Cowboys are doing. Let's get
Speaker 1: into the actual Cowboy roster and what they're doing. Earl
Speaker 1: Thomas cut By the Baltimore Ravens for conduct detrimental to
Speaker 1: the organization and they want their ten million dollars back,
Speaker 1: So they are now engaged in a fight with Earl
Speaker 1: Thomas and obviously his agent. They go try and file
Speaker 1: agreements to get money back, but the Ravens leadership council
Speaker 1: ended up telling the team management, we don't want Earl
Speaker 1: Thomas here anymore. He is gone. The Cowboys were asked
Speaker 1: about Earl Thomas Jerry Jones, who specifically on Tuesday during
Speaker 1: his radio show in one to five three of the
Speaker 1: Fan and Jerry left that door open. I asked Mike
Speaker 1: McCarthy today if there's an update about Earl Thomas and
Speaker 1: the Cowboys, and listen to what the Cowboy head coach
Speaker 1: had to set. Yeah. I really don't have anything else
Speaker 1: to report on the roster. So yeah, I haven't been
Speaker 1: part of those any conversations. All right, let's get it
Speaker 1: going here on the players lounge about Earl Thomas. Danny mccraig,
Speaker 1: Barry Church, you guys are former NFL safeties. Do you
Speaker 1: want the Cowboys to sign Earl Thomas. Mccraig go, uh no, nah, man,
Speaker 1: I think I think the Cowboys are good with what
Speaker 1: they got. I think, you know, the story is coming
Speaker 1: out of there about Earl Thomas and the two teams
Speaker 1: letting go of this superstar player, letting him get out
Speaker 1: of there. I think he has a lot of baggage
Speaker 1: with him. Uh, he has plenty of time to go
Speaker 1: get his car watch now, man. So I would say,
Speaker 1: just let him stay, stay where he is, let another
Speaker 1: team pick up that baggage, and just keep keep the
Speaker 1: camaraderie that we have in the in the unity that
Speaker 1: we have on our defense right now. No, I don't
Speaker 1: think the Cowboys need to pick up Earl Thomas here
Speaker 1: on free agency. Yes, he's a transcendent safety. He's you know,
Speaker 1: more than likely he'll be in the Hall of Fame.
Speaker 1: He's a perennial pro bowler. He's one of those guys
Speaker 1: that can make a defense a heck of a lot better.
Speaker 1: But in speaking with my past teammates who have also
Speaker 1: been teammates of Earl Thomas in the past, he has
Speaker 1: all these great characteristics as far as he's talented, he's
Speaker 1: all this and all that. But the problem that a
Speaker 1: lot of them had was he didn't hold himself accountable
Speaker 1: and he held everybody else accountable. So for an example
Speaker 1: of that is, if on a play he's being and
Speaker 1: cover three, he's in the middle of the field, and
Speaker 1: that's what Cover three, the free safety is supposed to
Speaker 1: be in the middle of the field, he might go
Speaker 1: around and just blits off the edge thinking he can
Speaker 1: be he could make a play that way, and when
Speaker 1: it messes up, if another player would to talk to
Speaker 1: him about it and say, hey, man, you can't do that.
Speaker 1: That's you know, that's not a part of the defense.
Speaker 1: That doesn't fit this scheme, he would go off on
Speaker 1: them and chew them out. But if another player messed up,
Speaker 1: he would go and chew them out about that about
Speaker 1: being accountable. So I just don't think a lot of
Speaker 1: players like that. He didn't held his self accountable, but
Speaker 1: held other people to the fire, and I just don't
Speaker 1: think that'd be a good chemistry set With the Dallas Cowboys,
Speaker 1: do you know any coverages you gotta blows a superstar
Speaker 1: before your teammates to be like, man, hey, you can't
Speaker 1: get it done, bro, we gotta get you up about
Speaker 1: it here. You gotta be blowing. So the serious coverages
Speaker 1: are not picking up on no type of defense to
Speaker 1: be a superstar, and the guys are like none, Bro,
Speaker 1: we better without you. I mean, look at the Steelers
Speaker 1: back in the day. They had, you know, the Troy
Speaker 1: Polamala rule and that, and he was a guy that
Speaker 1: couldn't pretty much do whatever he wanted on the field,
Speaker 1: but the teammates involved. I mean, he was a great
Speaker 1: teammate and if he messed up, he took accountability for that.
Speaker 1: And I just think that's what rubs the other teammates
Speaker 1: wrong when they talk about Earl Thomas. But like you said, man,
Speaker 1: you gotta be messing up and blowing a lot of
Speaker 1: coverages if you're that talented. But teams are just like, man,
Speaker 1: we just can't deal with you. You gotta be a
Speaker 1: locker room menace. I think about Mike McCarthy and I'm
Speaker 1: trying to get to know him in terms of how
Speaker 1: he delivers his messages at press conference, because all coaches,
Speaker 1: if you listen to what they say, they'll give you
Speaker 1: clues about how they truly feel. And and that quick,
Speaker 1: short SoundBite about Earl Thomas, the way I took it
Speaker 1: from Mike McCarthy was yeah, I mean I want no
Speaker 1: parts of this guy. I'm good. I don't want any
Speaker 1: parts of Despite what his resume says, he is as
Speaker 1: a player that Mike McCarthy is running away from a
Speaker 1: guy that he doesn't think is a team guy, and
Speaker 1: I must make sure I restake this one more time.
Speaker 1: The players on the Baltimore Ravens, a team that with
Speaker 1: fourteen and two last year, all said, hey, man, get
Speaker 1: this guy out of here. We don't need this guy.
Speaker 1: We think we can win the super Bowl, but we'll
Speaker 1: be okay without this guy. On the bus and YouTube
Speaker 1: play guys will put up with a lot if a
Speaker 1: dude can help them win games. On Sundays, they all said,
Speaker 1: we don't want this guy, and I don't know why
Speaker 1: more fans and more specifically, more media are not talking
Speaker 1: about that very thing. The dudes who play in the
Speaker 1: room with them all said, get this guy out there,
Speaker 1: get him out of our trenches. Man, we will go
Speaker 1: to war with someone else. If we're interpreting what Mike
Speaker 1: McCarthy was trying to say, just I'm would just get
Speaker 1: us some shot. From my point of view, he was saying,
Speaker 1: I'm running away from Earl, but some other people in
Speaker 1: the building made me running toward him and I'm finally
Speaker 1: getting the taste of what I've been hearing in the media.
Speaker 1: If I might not have that much say so, and
Speaker 1: who's on this team and who's not so Earl Thomas
Speaker 1: could possibly be on the team. But ain't nobody talking
Speaker 1: to me about that? Oh, he definitely feels that way.
Speaker 1: I mean, wait, he just kind of responded so short,
Speaker 1: was just like, yeah, I mean, he wanted to see you,
Speaker 1: kind of he kind of shut it off quick, but
Speaker 1: he was kind of just like, man, yeah, I'm not
Speaker 1: privy to those conversation. Kind you can tell he kind
Speaker 1: of wanted to say that, but he kind of just
Speaker 1: left it at that. But yeah, you could tell he
Speaker 1: just doesn't want anything to do with him. And I
Speaker 1: don't blame him. I mean, I feel like they got
Speaker 1: something going right now chemistry wise, and they just don't
Speaker 1: want to mess anything up, especially this close to the
Speaker 1: regular season. Now, think about that or died more than
Speaker 1: what he said. I don't know about those conversations. You're
Speaker 1: the head coach of the team, and along the way
Speaker 1: so far he's been involved in a whole lot of
Speaker 1: conversations and now all of a sudden, here you decide
Speaker 1: I don't know nothing about this. Maybe they'ren't want that
Speaker 1: chatting about it, but I already told him, I'm good.
Speaker 1: We're good. I already told him good. So I don't
Speaker 1: know if they're still chatting about it, but I gave
Speaker 1: my opinion, said nah Man. Mike Nolan, my defensive coordinator,
Speaker 1: who used to be the defensive coordinator, He's already called
Speaker 1: people up in Baltimore and said, nah Man, we're good.
Speaker 1: So let's further this conversation. Is Darian Thompson going to
Speaker 1: take out Haha, Clinton Dix and become the starting safety
Speaker 1: next to Antoine? She said, Xavier Woods out there in
Speaker 1: the defensive back room, I mean, yeah, yeah. From from
Speaker 1: all the conversations we're having from camp, I mean, Darian
Speaker 1: Thompson is playing phenomenal right now. I mean he's playing
Speaker 1: great in coverage. He's kind of being that quarterback of
Speaker 1: the defense, which is great for the defense that's learning
Speaker 1: a totally new scheme. So if you got a guy
Speaker 1: that's confident enough to bark out commands to the defense
Speaker 1: and it's the right commands, then he's already had a
Speaker 1: leg up on the competition. But like mcrai said, I've
Speaker 1: been in these battles pretty much my whole career with
Speaker 1: the Dallas Guy Boys. I mean, ever since I started
Speaker 1: in my third season. I mean, they've been bringing guys
Speaker 1: in to kind of replace me. So if I'm if
Speaker 1: I'm Xavier Woods and I'm hearing all this, you know,
Speaker 1: Earl Thomas talk, or if I'm Hot Clinton Dick's hearing
Speaker 1: all this, you know, Dari and Thompson talk, I just gotta,
Speaker 1: you know, kind of focusing on what I know I
Speaker 1: can do and then excel at what I can play,
Speaker 1: because you're gonna hear that. I know, all the NFL
Speaker 1: players sit there and say, oh, I don't hear any
Speaker 1: of that talk. I don't see any of those posts,
Speaker 1: or I don't hear any media or anything like that.
Speaker 1: They're lying because everybody hears everything, and everybody listens to everything,
Speaker 1: especially when your name is added in a tweet or
Speaker 1: an Instagram post. You're looking at that. So just kind
Speaker 1: of if you can't, try your hardest to block it out,
Speaker 1: but we know it's there. So you just got to
Speaker 1: focus on what you can do and try to provide
Speaker 1: a great quality reps for this team. Yeah, like I said,
Speaker 1: I remember Church, they brought in the guy name of
Speaker 1: Brodney Pool when rob Ryan came in, he yeah, oh yeah,
Speaker 1: oh yeah, he's supposed to be the guy, right, he's
Speaker 1: supposed to be the guy in Church. Wasn't gonna be
Speaker 1: the starter in Churches? One out there and I'll play
Speaker 1: them and then I only think Brodney was on the
Speaker 1: team for very long. Um, So I think I think
Speaker 1: this one's just a little different, just because they don't
Speaker 1: have preseason games and you really can't really see, you know,
Speaker 1: how how somebody's gonna play. So I think they both
Speaker 1: will still get an opportunity in live action. Um but
Speaker 1: from what I'm hearing from from from BT, I think
Speaker 1: that that he has a real chance to keep how
Speaker 1: high off the venture off the team. But we'll see
Speaker 1: once they get to plan them in live games and
Speaker 1: those those real live bullets start coming at you because
Speaker 1: things changed, then Yeah, and that's a great point, Danny.
Speaker 1: We all know in practice, you know, there's there's such
Speaker 1: this is a real thing. You know, in practice, there's
Speaker 1: players that perform unbelievably. I mean they're out there looking
Speaker 1: like all pros. But when you get to the regular
Speaker 1: season and we get the real live bullets, flying at you.
Speaker 1: You know, they kind of you know, basically you know
Speaker 1: what hits the fans. So um, you know, he could
Speaker 1: play and perform all well in practice. It's just gonna
Speaker 1: have to see what happens in those regular season games.
Speaker 1: And too bad we don't have preseason games to really
Speaker 1: see what this competition can lead to. Baby, you talk
Speaker 1: about the the All Oxnard team. Oh yeah, you know
Speaker 1: what I'm talking about. New. But you go out there
Speaker 1: in your practice against the same guys all the time,
Speaker 1: and you go against the same office, and then you
Speaker 1: get into the regular season and you got three or
Speaker 1: four days to prepare for a whole new system, and
Speaker 1: all of a sudden you get out there and still
Speaker 1: start looking looking real crazy because because of coming in
Speaker 1: your fast, things change. Things change. Yeah, man, that that
Speaker 1: preseason game here, they looked so good. They were all Oxnard,
Speaker 1: looked so good. Ox Start all Star, get out there,
Speaker 1: go down there. I have to play the Chargers and
Speaker 1: the Niners and the Raiders and get it done. Man,
Speaker 1: that happened to Danny am Mondola. I remember all Danny
Speaker 1: every doing it looks so good. There was the Chargers
Speaker 1: dropped a punk, couldn't catch anything. And next thing, you know, man,
Speaker 1: he was gone, and then he was with the Rams
Speaker 1: for a minute, and then he went to Philadelphia and
Speaker 1: he finally ended up you know, obviously, you know, he
Speaker 1: ended up having a very nice career year and he's
Speaker 1: still playing and it was part of a super a
Speaker 1: Super Bowl or two with the Patriots. But but it happens. Man,
Speaker 1: guys are looking good and they can't do anything at all.
Speaker 1: Of the guys who were kickers. I keep seeing that
Speaker 1: through the years. Man, these kickers look so good it
Speaker 1: can't next thing. You know, you gotta get out here.
Speaker 1: He's a real crowd and then bam, they got nothing
Speaker 1: for you. So so based on that, do you believe
Speaker 1: Halin Dix makes this roster before they totally just turn
Speaker 1: it over and say, all right, Darren Thomson, we trust
Speaker 1: you as a starter. Yeah, I think that. I think
Speaker 1: ka Clinton Dix, I think we'll have a chance to
Speaker 1: be a starter on this team out even though Darren
Speaker 1: Thompson is playing well, I think they'll give that first
Speaker 1: crack to Clinton disk just because they have more invested
Speaker 1: in him. When it comes to money wise, Now, if
Speaker 1: if they were bringing in like an Earl Thomas or
Speaker 1: something like that. I feel as though they would let
Speaker 1: Hi High go. But if that doesn't happen, I think
Speaker 1: they'll let him get that first crack at it and
Speaker 1: he'll it's gonna be his responsibility to excel or lose
Speaker 1: that job. You notice, I was about to say, you
Speaker 1: noticed that Ha brought haha Clinton diship any of these
Speaker 1: media sessions lately. If we start seeing we start seeing
Speaker 1: Daniel Thompson on some on some media things and get
Speaker 1: ready to package stuff. Man, I feel so bad man,
Speaker 1: because somebody posted a picture on Twitter of how Ha
Speaker 1: sitting like ten or standing in ten yards behind behind
Speaker 1: the crowd, looking real sad, and it was like and
Speaker 1: then it was like Daria Thompson might might keep you know,
Speaker 1: on the bench or something like that. And I was like,
Speaker 1: come on, man, y'all, y'all doing the guard wrong. Y'all
Speaker 1: like two weeks in the practice, all right, have not
Speaker 1: come in there. Once you start real tackling, we'll see.
Speaker 1: Shout out to both of them. But like I said,
Speaker 1: this is a whole different season, and I believe that
Speaker 1: the first game will be it won't be played like
Speaker 1: the preseason game, but it'll be for where the coaches
Speaker 1: are able to see how these players really reactive in
Speaker 1: the results that they put up in a real live action. Okay,
Speaker 1: let's take another break. When we come back, let's dive
Speaker 1: into the starting projected secondary, what Danny and Barry think
Speaker 1: about that, and a practice note. If you're a Cowboy
Speaker 1: fan had to tickle you today to death to learn
Speaker 1: about today, I'll dive into that with Danny McCray Barry
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Speaker 1: joined by former Cowboys players Danny McCrae and Barry Church.
Speaker 1: All Right, Church, let's get into what you believe will
Speaker 1: be the Dallas Cowboys starting secondary. Oh, well, this is
Speaker 1: just that's a great question. It's going to be. It's
Speaker 1: a tough choice for me, So I'm saying their secondary.
Speaker 1: I'm going with nickels. So I'm adding the nickel back,
Speaker 1: which is that slot corner for those who don't know,
Speaker 1: I'm going to add that in there as a starting
Speaker 1: secondary piece. So for me, I'm gonna start with the safeties.
Speaker 1: I think Woods and Clinton ho Hot Dicks are going
Speaker 1: to be the entrenched starters. I think Woods is definitely
Speaker 1: penciledn locked in. If he can just you know, stay
Speaker 1: healthy and all that stuff, I think he'll have that
Speaker 1: spot for sure. How Hot Clinton Dicks right now is
Speaker 1: in the competition with Darian Thompson, but I do believe
Speaker 1: the Cowboys will let him get the nod during the
Speaker 1: first weekend. It'll be his job to lose. Now on
Speaker 1: the corner situation, that's gonna be a lot tougher because
Speaker 1: I mean, this is I think the biggest competition throughout
Speaker 1: all of training camp in all positions. I think corner
Speaker 1: is the biggest battle. But I have on the left side,
Speaker 1: I have Chito Woozier. I think he's gonna start the
Speaker 1: outside left corner, and I just think the Dallas Cowboys
Speaker 1: are gonna give him a chance to kind of get
Speaker 1: out of that rut that he had last season, and
Speaker 1: hopefully he'll be able to get out of that and
Speaker 1: with a new scheme and multiple looks, be able to
Speaker 1: play a lot better than he did last year on
Speaker 1: the right side, I think I got the young guy,
Speaker 1: the rookie coming in Tavon Digs. From what I've seen
Speaker 1: in practice, he's excelled in coverage, especially press man the man.
Speaker 1: He's aggressive when going after the ball, and he competes
Speaker 1: all the way to the end, even if the receiver
Speaker 1: has has, you know, his hands both on the ball.
Speaker 1: He's ripping and pulling and tugging at that ball to
Speaker 1: get it out. So I think the coaches would love
Speaker 1: that aggressive style and that ball mentality that he possesses.
Speaker 1: Now for the slot position, the nickel cornerback position, I
Speaker 1: think that's going to be the biggest competition within the
Speaker 1: secondary because I think you have two guys there that
Speaker 1: are perfectly suited to play nickel, and that's Jordan Lewis
Speaker 1: and Anthony Brown. They're both quick, instinctful players who are
Speaker 1: not afraid to stick their nose in there against the run.
Speaker 1: Because if you're doing a nickel package, the nickel is
Speaker 1: kind of like that extra linebacker who has the ability
Speaker 1: to cover wide receivers, So you're gonna have to be
Speaker 1: in there versus the run, and neither of those guys
Speaker 1: are scared to do that. They Like I said, they
Speaker 1: possess great quicks instincts and they're very sticky coverage. So
Speaker 1: I think those type of guys and also they blitz
Speaker 1: very well, and those are the type of corners that
Speaker 1: you need for a nickel position. So I think the
Speaker 1: biggest competition will be those two. But I think Jordan
Speaker 1: Lewis pulls it out at the end. I mean, he
Speaker 1: had a great not a great season, but a good
Speaker 1: season last year and the nickel and I think he's
Speaker 1: their best defensive back as a whole when it comes
Speaker 1: to the secondary, So I believe he edges Anthony Brown
Speaker 1: out and I think that'll be your starting secondary for
Speaker 1: the twenty twenty regular season. Man was perfectly, well, go
Speaker 1: ahead and do it. That was perfect. Here's my question, Well,
Speaker 1: Mike Nolan really want to trust a rookie that he
Speaker 1: hasn't seen in any preseason games to understand if he
Speaker 1: can can can you know, make the adjustments versus going
Speaker 1: with a veteran like Anthony Brown. And I bring that
Speaker 1: up because with the center position, they pretty much put
Speaker 1: Joe Looney there and they didn't even try to see
Speaker 1: if if Tyler beardest the rookie they drafted out of
Speaker 1: Wisconsin or Connor McGovern who's in the second year. They
Speaker 1: didn't even try those guys out there. I mean, it's
Speaker 1: basically but Joe Looney's you know, hey, we're gonna trust you.
Speaker 1: So that's kind of been my My take is, with
Speaker 1: no preseason action outside of C. D. Lamb, we really
Speaker 1: think we can see the Cowboy's top two draft picks
Speaker 1: being starters. I do, I honestly do. I just don't
Speaker 1: think there's someone out there Anthony Brown, like you mentioned,
Speaker 1: but I just don't think he has what it takes
Speaker 1: to kind of unseat unseat him as that starting cornerback
Speaker 1: out there. I think that guy Tavon Days. He's long,
Speaker 1: he's lean, he's what coaches look like look for in
Speaker 1: a corner. He can press well, they know they like
Speaker 1: to play man and man coverage, and he can run
Speaker 1: with anybody in this league. He's very athletic, and he
Speaker 1: has that kind of pedigree because he's come his brother
Speaker 1: Stefan Days, we works with constantly during the off season.
Speaker 1: I believe kind of pedigree kind of got him going
Speaker 1: in the right direction. So I feel like he's going
Speaker 1: to be that starter. I could be wrong. But those
Speaker 1: are my projections for the starting secondary this year. Yeah,
Speaker 1: and I see Diggs being the starter one because of
Speaker 1: what Church said. And then two, we know how these
Speaker 1: draft picks go, and they'll get more chances than anyone.
Speaker 1: And essentially Diggs was the first round pick. I believe
Speaker 1: the Cowboys would have picked him in the first round
Speaker 1: had they not had cde Lamb not fallen to him.
Speaker 1: So I'm still looking at him as a first round pick,
Speaker 1: so they're gonna give him all the opportunities that the
Speaker 1: first round pick would get. And adding on to George Lewis,
Speaker 1: you know, I think he's one of our top dvs
Speaker 1: and mainly because he turns the ball over. He's a
Speaker 1: playmaker every like, he can cover just like everybody else.
Speaker 1: And what separates him as being able to get those interceptions,
Speaker 1: and we all know for the last few years that
Speaker 1: has been a big point of emphasis for the Cowboy
Speaker 1: actually the last ten because when I was playing for
Speaker 1: the Cowboys, we had the same issues. So so I
Speaker 1: know that they're going to get as many people out
Speaker 1: there that could turn the ball over as possible, and
Speaker 1: he is the main guy, So I see him easily
Speaker 1: being a starter at that position. Well, see it. That's
Speaker 1: interesting me because I think about the first three games
Speaker 1: of the quarterbacks that go Jared Goff, Russell Wilson, Matt Ryan.
Speaker 1: I see these guys trying to go after Diggs if
Speaker 1: they see him. Look out there on the football field,
Speaker 1: they see a rookie. And you're talking about the Rams
Speaker 1: with Cooper Cup and Robert Woods. They got another fast
Speaker 1: kid that's over there now. And then you got Seattle
Speaker 1: with that that outstanding um speed of Tyler Lockett. Then
Speaker 1: they got that big, huge DK Metcalf and then of
Speaker 1: course you got the Falcons with the Hall of Fame
Speaker 1: credentialed Julio Jones and the speed Sir Calvin Ridley. I mean, yeah,
Speaker 1: who that's three games right there, man, that's a mente.
Speaker 1: That's but like you mentioned, coming out of rookie man.
Speaker 1: But like you mentioned, Nui, those receivers you you mentioned,
Speaker 1: you know, the Metcalfs and Julio Jones, those are big
Speaker 1: body receive Those are grown men out there. So if
Speaker 1: you you know, try Anthony Brown out there. Nothing against
Speaker 1: Anthony Brown, but he just doesn't have that size to
Speaker 1: go against. So there's no they they're gonna go at
Speaker 1: him as well. So I just feel like if you
Speaker 1: put Tabon Digs out there, a longer, leaner guy, I
Speaker 1: feel like he has a better opportunity um and a
Speaker 1: better chance of playing against those bigger, stronger, faster receivers
Speaker 1: because we've seen what Julio Jones and Metcalf can do
Speaker 1: to a smaller opponents out there. I'm gonna tell you
Speaker 1: like this, it doesn't matter based off last year. It
Speaker 1: doesn't matter who you roll out there. They are getting
Speaker 1: attacked like the quarterbacks looking at our secondary until not
Speaker 1: really until until we prove ourselves as being able to cover.
Speaker 1: We got some new guys out there, We still got
Speaker 1: some young guys out there. They're going to try everyone
Speaker 1: no matter what. And I think this will be the
Speaker 1: year that we get out there and prove ourself because
Speaker 1: I think the pass rush will be able to help
Speaker 1: us out a little bit, and I think these guys
Speaker 1: will step up and prove that they're able to cover.
Speaker 1: There are some guys that are still gonna, you know,
Speaker 1: make their catches and get their hunting yard games, the
Speaker 1: Julio Joneses of the world. Some of those guys you
Speaker 1: just have to try to limit. But I think no
Speaker 1: matter what, for the first three games, we're gonna see
Speaker 1: a lot of passions thrown on our secondary until we're
Speaker 1: able to prove ourselves and then and then things will
Speaker 1: hopefully change. No, I will be surprised. I go ahead,
Speaker 1: go ahead and do it. I'm sorry, go ahead, no no, no, no, no. Hit.
Speaker 1: I was just gonna say, you know, I wouldn't be
Speaker 1: surprised if they if they came out with a kind
Speaker 1: of like a rotation, kind of like how the defensive
Speaker 1: line does. I mean, I'm against that, but I mean,
Speaker 1: I know what happened my last year the Cowboys. We
Speaker 1: kind of rotated the secondary a little bit. But I
Speaker 1: wouldn't be surprised if the coaches kind of kind of
Speaker 1: did like with a D line and had a rotation
Speaker 1: in the secondary. I'm against it, but I wouldn't be surprised.
Speaker 1: If you're going to trust the rookie, you want to
Speaker 1: trust a guy who is a national champion, who's played
Speaker 1: for an elite head coach, who understands defense like Nick Saban.
Speaker 1: So yes, you want to trust a roll tide type
Speaker 1: of corner out there, and I'm all for that if
Speaker 1: that's where they want to go. Wouldn't you agree, Danny
Speaker 1: mccret No, I mean I think we put up like Alabama.
Speaker 1: I rewatched the game. I've seen these getting caught on
Speaker 1: left and right, Jordan Jefferson, freshman Chase I've just seen
Speaker 1: it all over the place. So well, yo, Nick Saban
Speaker 1: was teaching them, but not that game. Yeah, yeah, yeah, okay, Um,
Speaker 1: Cowboy fans, great news about practice to Well Collins and
Speaker 1: Tyrann Smith. The practice, Okay, these guys came out here
Speaker 1: and they ended up Dak Prescott ended up having a
Speaker 1: good practice show. The starting left and right tackle making
Speaker 1: their debuts at training camp here. That's a good thing
Speaker 1: as they get ready to get close to that that
Speaker 1: opening days uh game against the Los Angeles Rams so
Speaker 1: Far Stadium and Inglood, California on NBC Sunday Night Football.
Speaker 1: So the offensive line is there, Joe Looney is going
Speaker 1: to be You're starting center at this point in time,
Speaker 1: and left left guard Carter Williams will be there, right
Speaker 1: right guard Zach Martin. I mean, this is this is
Speaker 1: good stuff if you're a Cowboy fan about what you're
Speaker 1: seeing and what what happened today at practice is that
Speaker 1: the gang was all back together it offered makes sense now,
Speaker 1: Louis Goodness. Of course, of course T Smith wanted to
Speaker 1: go practice. It was his first time. Let nobody stop
Speaker 1: her from doing that. It all makes sense. I feel you,
Speaker 1: T Smith Man. You want to get out there and
Speaker 1: show show that you still healthy. Understand man, If it
Speaker 1: makes sense, Louis, I see where he was coming from. Yes, um,
Speaker 1: still I wanted to talk about on Sunday. On Sunday,
Speaker 1: I got to go out to practice, and and it's
Speaker 1: one of those challenges where they only allow one person
Speaker 1: per media outlet, so I've got to really split reps
Speaker 1: with my folks who just really kind of hope that
Speaker 1: I can just you know, one of them doesn't want
Speaker 1: to go one day and I get in. But I
Speaker 1: wanted to go see what the tight end situation looked
Speaker 1: like here because we spent so much time talking about
Speaker 1: what they're gonna get out of Zeke Elliott and then
Speaker 1: the three wide receivers Michael Gallup, Mary Cooper and the
Speaker 1: rookie Ceedee Lamb said, so what about the tight ends,
Speaker 1: Blake Jarwin, I want to make sure I preference this right.
Speaker 1: He has Travis Kelsey like ability. I'm not saying he is,
Speaker 1: but what do you seem in the Chiefs and how
Speaker 1: they have him going down the middle and he's a mismatch.
Speaker 1: I'm seeing that out of Blake Jarwin should excite Cowboy fans.
Speaker 1: Dalton Schultz was a guy I was skeptical on and
Speaker 1: when I saw him at training camp, I said, Okay,
Speaker 1: you know, I could see this guy being a number
Speaker 1: two tight end. And then I'm looking at Sean mckinn
Speaker 1: out of Michigan who can block. They need to have
Speaker 1: a tight end who can block. Bell will probably make
Speaker 1: the team because they signed him, but I'm thinking a
Speaker 1: guy like Sean mckin could be a fourth tight end
Speaker 1: they keep. And I think they may not have a
Speaker 1: fullback on this roster, and when they decide to go
Speaker 1: in an eye back field that they'll put a guy
Speaker 1: like Sean mckin who blocked at Michigan playing for Jim Harbor.
Speaker 1: I could see him being that fullback and being that
Speaker 1: guy that they kind of have in two spots. There,
Speaker 1: give me your thoughts on the tight end position. Go ahead, Danny. Yeah,
Speaker 1: you know, the jury is out on Blake Jarwin. Like
Speaker 1: I said last year, I still think that he was
Speaker 1: he was held back just because he was playing behind
Speaker 1: with and I think he does have the ability to
Speaker 1: be one of those great tight ends, but that's only
Speaker 1: from a small Sampha size, So we have to see
Speaker 1: if the coaches staff really puts him in the in
Speaker 1: the position to make those plays like the Kilos and
Speaker 1: the Kelsey's of the world. I hope to see that.
Speaker 1: I'm not sure about the fullback position, you know, I
Speaker 1: really did McCarthy have a fullback in Green Bay? Oh? Yeah,
Speaker 1: he had John Cooon. I mean he used the fullback
Speaker 1: I meant for people. Yeah, So I'm not I'm not
Speaker 1: as sure about us keeping that many tight ends over fullback.
Speaker 1: I think I see the fullback being a very important position,
Speaker 1: you know, considering that we have seek one of the
Speaker 1: best banks in the league who can really change the game,
Speaker 1: So any help that we can get him coming out
Speaker 1: of the backfield would be much appreciated, I'm sure. So
Speaker 1: I can see us still going with a fullback. But
Speaker 1: I'm really high on Blake Jarwin. I think he can
Speaker 1: really make some big play, so my expectation for him
Speaker 1: it's really through the roof. For me, I see them
Speaker 1: keeping three tight ends here. Um I'm extremely high on
Speaker 1: Blake Jarwin. I've been streaming high on him since last year.
Speaker 1: I felt like he could have broke out last year,
Speaker 1: but you know, we all know that we had the
Speaker 1: future Hall of Famer went in front of him kind
Speaker 1: of slowing them down. But um, this year, I think
Speaker 1: he's he's prying for a breakout year. UM. I feel like,
Speaker 1: you know, with all the coverage and all the eyes
Speaker 1: going towards Amark Hooper, m Ceedee Lamb, and Michael Gallop,
Speaker 1: that's gonna leave him with a lot of single man
Speaker 1: and man coverage. And like you mentioned earlier, Nui, he's
Speaker 1: a mismatched nightmare, Like he can outrun linebackers and he
Speaker 1: can out physical safety. So I think he'll have a
Speaker 1: great season coming up this year. I think he'll break out. Um.
Speaker 1: I think they'll keep Dalton Schultz as that number two
Speaker 1: tight end. UM. I don't see him as being the
Speaker 1: Dallas Goddard to zach Ertz kind of deal with Blake Jarring.
Speaker 1: But I feel like, you know, just he'll be an
Speaker 1: added depth piece and he'll be a piece that can
Speaker 1: you know, help you know, if it's a max protection
Speaker 1: or something like that. But I don't see them keeping
Speaker 1: for but I do see them keeping the Bell Dozer
Speaker 1: and Big Blake Bell and he can, you know, get
Speaker 1: into that fullback role like you had mentioned about the
Speaker 1: kid from Michigan. So I seen them keeping those three.
Speaker 1: But I'm extremely, extremely high on Blake Jarring. I think
Speaker 1: he'll have a breakout year for the Dallas Cowboys this year.
Speaker 1: All right, remember the name Sha You picked him on
Speaker 1: your fantasy draft team. Oh yeah, you saw what happened.
Speaker 1: You saw he's coming, He's coming out. Hey, look, man,
Speaker 1: we know the last coaching the last the last coaching
Speaker 1: staff hell back, Blake Jarman. We know that they're gonna
Speaker 1: free Blake this year. So that's all good there, This
Speaker 1: is true. Let me address something that maybe Cowboy fans
Speaker 1: haven't paid a lot of attention to. But I think
Speaker 1: it's just a big time move that happened, I should say,
Speaker 1: injury thing to happen to the Philadelphia Eagles, and that's
Speaker 1: their offensive lunt. They lost their left tackle, Audrey Dillard,
Speaker 1: and they've also lost their right guard, Brandon Brooks. These
Speaker 1: guys are gonna miss the year. Dillard out with a
Speaker 1: biceps injury here. So Jason Peters who was they had
Speaker 1: him running at the guard position. Looks like they're gonna
Speaker 1: kick him back out to left tackle. He's dealt with
Speaker 1: a lot of injuries, and if it's one thing we've
Speaker 1: seen the past few seasons, we know Carson, Carson Wentz
Speaker 1: gets hurt and if you're out here with left tackle
Speaker 1: and guard issues, you're really now putting your quarterback in
Speaker 1: a tough position. And they talked about Miles Sanders and
Speaker 1: using him more this year, getting him a lot of
Speaker 1: run catching the football ode of the backfield. But I'm sorry, man,
Speaker 1: if you can't block in this league, and you got
Speaker 1: to face the Cowboys and their defensive ends right now,
Speaker 1: the Eagles suffered a tough blow. And I don't know
Speaker 1: if enough people are talking about that. With two injuries,
Speaker 1: major injuries to their offensive line. Church, Yeah, those are huge,
Speaker 1: huge blows to the Eagles. I mean, like you said,
Speaker 1: they struggled last year versus in protection for Carson Wentz,
Speaker 1: and we've seen if he gets hit too many times,
Speaker 1: he can go down for the injury. And like you said,
Speaker 1: they want to put Miles Sanders out of the backfield,
Speaker 1: let them catch passes out of the backfield. But you
Speaker 1: can't do that if you're if you're offensive line is suspect,
Speaker 1: I mean you can't. You have to have that back
Speaker 1: in there to help Max protect. So and all, I
Speaker 1: think these are two huge losses. And like you mentioned
Speaker 1: the Dallas Cowboys defensive line, I mean, they're gonna come
Speaker 1: hunting for Carson Wentz. That defensive line in Washington, with
Speaker 1: the addition of Chase Young yet Ryan Carrigan out there,
Speaker 1: they're gonna be hunting for Carson Wentz. So this isn't
Speaker 1: an easy division for a team with a weak offensive line.
Speaker 1: And I think these are huge injuries. And you know, hey,
Speaker 1: good for the Cowboys for us, so hopefully we can
Speaker 1: get after Carson Wentz when we see them down the road. Yeah,
Speaker 1: this is this is definitely huge. This is the worry
Speaker 1: I have for us. And thank goodness that both our
Speaker 1: love tackles came back. So they're in a position that
Speaker 1: I thought we were going to be in where we
Speaker 1: were we were missing some of some of our keypieces
Speaker 1: on the offensive line. So good for us, horrible for them.
Speaker 1: But this is another another case of those soft tissue
Speaker 1: injuries happening. Uh, you know with that time off and no, no,
Speaker 1: OTAs and no mini camping, no no real training camp
Speaker 1: and training. So you know, I still, like I said,
Speaker 1: I still expect to see some more of these injuries happen,
Speaker 1: but I'm glad that we're so far we've been able
Speaker 1: to avoid those those type of things, with the exception of, uh,
Speaker 1: you know the big guy Jerald McCoy. How about Xavier McKinney.
Speaker 1: Here's another players, Javon McKinney of the New York Giants
Speaker 1: and safety from Alabama that that that you know what,
Speaker 1: we had conversations about the Cowboys possibly drafted him. Uh,
Speaker 1: he's out. Grant Delpit, the outstanding safety from LSU, another
Speaker 1: player that the Cowboys. He's out for there. But right now,
Speaker 1: says Xavier McKinney, suffered a fractured left foot, So McKinney's
Speaker 1: going to be out there, saying maybe two to three
Speaker 1: months and then maybe they can bring him back here.
Speaker 1: But this is this is uh, this is bad news
Speaker 1: for the Giants because we know that they're that's a
Speaker 1: that was a suspect defensive backfield anyway. And if you're
Speaker 1: talking about the Cowboys with the ability to have Blake
Speaker 1: Jarwin out on the football fields, those three wide receivers. Um,
Speaker 1: whoof you know that that that's uh, that's bad man,
Speaker 1: That is bad for for for the g men. So
Speaker 1: injuries across this league. If you're a Cowboy fan, you
Speaker 1: know you really had to start paying attention to what
Speaker 1: else is going around the league. And that's what we
Speaker 1: try to bring you here on the Players Lounge about
Speaker 1: things to pay attention to because it matters. By the way,
Speaker 1: second round safety Grant delp It toward his achilles and
Speaker 1: three days ago, so delp It was slated to start
Speaker 1: at safety for the Browns, So that's not going to
Speaker 1: happen for him at all. That's him and Greedy Williams
Speaker 1: got got injured on the same day. But I think
Speaker 1: Greedy Greedy Williams to be back and delp It's out
Speaker 1: of the season. So it was a tough Sunday for
Speaker 1: the LSU LSU NFL players, man, But shout out to
Speaker 1: him and wishing must be the recovery. And same for
Speaker 1: Greedy Williams. Yeah, you hate to see that happen, especially
Speaker 1: in his rookie season for him to have such a
Speaker 1: huge injury as an achilles. You know, he's young and
Speaker 1: hopefully he'll be able to fight back from this. I
Speaker 1: was able to do that as well, so hopefully he'll
Speaker 1: be able to be back next year and better than ever.
Speaker 1: All right. September thirteenth, Rams Cowboys Sunday Night Football. Last
Speaker 1: question before we get out of here, and I'll start
Speaker 1: with you, mccraig, must win, yes or no? Listen for
Speaker 1: all the message you thought about McCarthy, Yes, this is
Speaker 1: this is a must win, all right, listen, you know
Speaker 1: what you know. Let me not take it that far.
Speaker 1: This is a must perform, perform up to standard. Right,
Speaker 1: So if it's a close game, fine, If you go
Speaker 1: out here and you look like total garbage, yeah, the
Speaker 1: perception of what's going on in Dallas is going to
Speaker 1: be really, really bad, especially if those New York Football
Speaker 1: giants go out there and just blow out whoever they playing.
Speaker 1: You know you're gonna hear from me, real, real loud
Speaker 1: Louis for me, without a question, this is a must win.
Speaker 1: I mean, this is a Rams team that came down
Speaker 1: to the Jerry World last year and got demolished. And
Speaker 1: this team lost Todd Gurley, they lost Brandon Cooks. They
Speaker 1: had a suspect offensive line to begin with. And so
Speaker 1: I mean the receivers out there, they're pretty good. They
Speaker 1: got Robert Woods and Cook the Cup. But there's no
Speaker 1: one out there that can just blow the top off
Speaker 1: off of your secondary. So if we went out there
Speaker 1: and blew them out last year and then to come
Speaker 1: into this season and take an l to the Rams, who,
Speaker 1: like I mentioned, they lost those players, I think it'll
Speaker 1: be It's not a do or die, but I think
Speaker 1: it'll be an extreme confidence deflator if we went out
Speaker 1: there and lost that team. I look at the Rams
Speaker 1: and I look at the Cowboys, and just roster wise,
Speaker 1: the Cowboys have more talent. The Cowboys have more talent,
Speaker 1: and now they've got better coaching with Mike Nolan's defensive
Speaker 1: coordinator and Mike McCarthy's coach. This is a game on
Speaker 1: Sunday Night football. And go ahead and make me look good. Okay,
Speaker 1: I want to look good as I'm sitting here saying,
Speaker 1: go ahead and handle handle handle your business. Handle your business.
Speaker 1: So now he stop stop postponing this bet, bro, So
Speaker 1: listen next week when you come on the show, we
Speaker 1: should start off with what what what bets you want
Speaker 1: to make? So we can go to two sisters Okay, okay,
Speaker 1: we'll do that. We'll do that, and that's the way
Speaker 1: we're gonna end the show today. Danny trying to figure
Speaker 1: out how he can extract more payments from me in bets.
Speaker 1: He's Danny mccraig. That's Barry Church. I'm new he scricts.
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