WEBVTT - Liberties w/ Jon Patrick Walker 0:00:00.160 --> 0:00:03.960 Of the law and order franchises. SVU is considered especially watchable. 0:00:04.200 --> 0:00:06.760 We are the amateur detectives who kind of investigate the 0:00:06.840 --> 0:00:10.240 vicious felonies. These episodes are based on. These are our stories. 0:00:10.600 --> 0:00:31.240 Done done, Yay, that's messed up. An SVU podcast Coming 0:00:31.320 --> 0:00:34.920 at you live JK. I am Liza Traeger and. 0:00:34.920 --> 0:00:39.559 I'm Kara Klank and pre recorded to you, pre recorded, 0:00:39.600 --> 0:00:41.960 but I'm coming to you from New York. We're actually 0:00:42.000 --> 0:00:44.680 in the same place right now, not in the same room, 0:00:44.720 --> 0:00:45.600 but same city. 0:00:46.920 --> 0:00:49.879 No, people truly ask me all the time. They're like, oh, 0:00:49.960 --> 0:00:52.239 how did you record post the move? I'm like, did 0:00:52.280 --> 0:00:54.120 you not live through the same pandemic as us? Like, 0:00:54.240 --> 0:00:55.800 I know, I don't even know how this is even 0:00:55.840 --> 0:00:57.640 a shocking question to you. How we do it in 0:00:57.680 --> 0:00:58.280 separate places? 0:00:58.360 --> 0:01:01.080 And we also used to post like more little video 0:01:01.080 --> 0:01:03.560 clips where it's like we're clearly in different rooms, you know, 0:01:03.720 --> 0:01:04.920 like the clips that we used to do. 0:01:05.160 --> 0:01:07.640 Yeah, I know, for you know reason, not that ever, 0:01:07.920 --> 0:01:10.080 It's just like it seems like a silly question. 0:01:10.280 --> 0:01:12.840 So many people are like, wait, Lisa moved, how do 0:01:12.880 --> 0:01:13.479 you do the pod? 0:01:13.520 --> 0:01:15.880 I'm like, the same way we've always done it. 0:01:16.240 --> 0:01:21.160 When we lived three blocks away over Zoom zooming baby, tell. 0:01:21.040 --> 0:01:25.319 Us, Okay, you know in New York, the concrete jungle. Yeah, 0:01:25.360 --> 0:01:28.200 I'm in the concrete Johnny. It's hot as fucking hell. 0:01:28.440 --> 0:01:32.320 I mean, listen, I've been back here a million times 0:01:32.319 --> 0:01:35.280 since I left. I loved living here everything. I haven't 0:01:35.360 --> 0:01:38.840 really been back here with my two kids, like living 0:01:38.920 --> 0:01:39.480 day to day. 0:01:39.560 --> 0:01:40.040 I've come back. 0:01:40.080 --> 0:01:41.760 You know, I did a little spring break with Rosy 0:01:41.840 --> 0:01:46.760 Ones for like four days, both kids all day every day. 0:01:46.840 --> 0:01:49.200 In this city, it's a little, it's a little. I 0:01:49.240 --> 0:01:51.760 have like a lot of respect for the NYC parents. 0:01:51.800 --> 0:01:53.720 Like I always knew it was gonna be harder than 0:01:53.760 --> 0:01:56.440 like La for sure. But like, I just took Oscar 0:01:56.480 --> 0:01:59.320 to a grocery store yesterday, smallest grocery store. 0:01:59.360 --> 0:02:00.920 Everybody's going, excuse me, excuse me. 0:02:00.960 --> 0:02:02.880 I'm like, because I've got him in a stroller, just 0:02:02.880 --> 0:02:04.720 because he was too lazy to walk the whole distance 0:02:04.760 --> 0:02:07.040 to the thing. And everyone's like, other people are in 0:02:07.080 --> 0:02:09.280 there with strollers. But everyone's like, excuse me, pardon me, 0:02:09.320 --> 0:02:11.079 And I'm like, oh my god, I just kept getting 0:02:11.080 --> 0:02:12.919 so stressed. I couldn't look at any of the groceries 0:02:12.960 --> 0:02:15.920 because I was blocking someone everywhere I went. Yea, and 0:02:16.040 --> 0:02:19.400 then just like and just like, it's hot and they're 0:02:19.440 --> 0:02:21.359 not as used to walk, but they've gone on the 0:02:21.400 --> 0:02:23.880 subway already. They're loving it. We went to a public 0:02:23.919 --> 0:02:27.240 pool today in the one that Allison goes to in Brooklyn, 0:02:27.320 --> 0:02:31.240 and why maybe the new Central Park one. I want 0:02:31.280 --> 0:02:33.840 to when we're in Manhattan, I'll go, what is that? 0:02:34.720 --> 0:02:37.359 There's like a new one. Yeah, there's a new pool. 0:02:37.360 --> 0:02:39.640 It just opened on like June twenty seventh, like a 0:02:39.680 --> 0:02:41.600 giants supposed to be the biggest pool in New York. 0:02:41.639 --> 0:02:44.160 But it's in Central Park. It's a giant circle. I've 0:02:44.160 --> 0:02:46.400 only seen photos. I've only sit in photos. But I 0:02:46.440 --> 0:02:50.119 did fit angle my way to a pool on Sunday, exciting. 0:02:50.560 --> 0:02:54.040 Yes I did. Yeah, I used a person. I did, 0:02:54.680 --> 0:02:56.760 but I like them a lot, so it's fine. But 0:02:57.160 --> 0:02:59.560 I did, I did get, I did dunk, and I'm 0:02:59.600 --> 0:03:01.280 going back. I'm going in two days. You know, I'm 0:03:01.280 --> 0:03:04.680 always chasing a body of water. Yeah, yeah, I just like, 0:03:04.760 --> 0:03:07.200 how did you feel with the rules they watch you shower? 0:03:07.280 --> 0:03:09.119 You really got a lock up and nothing's a lot. 0:03:09.280 --> 0:03:10.880 Actually I did the lock up. 0:03:10.880 --> 0:03:12.360 They lent me a lock because I was on my 0:03:12.400 --> 0:03:13.480 way there and I didn't have a lock and I 0:03:13.480 --> 0:03:15.360 couldn't find a place, and so they lent me a lock, 0:03:15.400 --> 0:03:16.240 which was really nice. 0:03:16.280 --> 0:03:19.880 And then the water was really cool. Did you remember 0:03:19.880 --> 0:03:23.360 a new code? What do you mean? I wouldn't remember. 0:03:23.360 --> 0:03:25.000 I wouldn't be able to remember a new lock. No, 0:03:25.320 --> 0:03:27.560 they lent me a lock with a key. Amazing. 0:03:27.639 --> 0:03:29.000 Yeah, they let me a little lock with a key. 0:03:29.000 --> 0:03:31.400 It was really nice cause they were like, you can't 0:03:31.400 --> 0:03:33.200 come in without a lock. I thought it was like optional, 0:03:33.360 --> 0:03:35.080 like you could get robbed and you just like kind 0:03:35.080 --> 0:03:35.920 of take that on yourself. 0:03:35.960 --> 0:03:37.520 It's not optional. You have to lock. 0:03:38.000 --> 0:03:40.640 So I was like, all right, uh, what do I do? 0:03:40.720 --> 0:03:42.000 Is there a place near here? And they were like 0:03:42.040 --> 0:03:43.480 hold on, and they were nice and they give me one. 0:03:43.520 --> 0:03:44.920 And who says New Yorkers are not nice? 0:03:44.960 --> 0:03:47.120 They are. And then we got in the pool. 0:03:47.280 --> 0:03:50.160 I met a fucking kid that goes to school with 0:03:50.240 --> 0:03:53.360 the kid that I'm staying with whose apartment I'm staying in. 0:03:53.680 --> 0:03:55.360 They knew each other like they know each other. It 0:03:55.440 --> 0:03:58.040 was like crazy, so such a small world. And then 0:03:58.600 --> 0:04:00.240 this guy works in restaurants. I was like, tell me 0:04:00.240 --> 0:04:02.320 where to eat around here? It was great, but the 0:04:02.360 --> 0:04:04.640 water was so cool and I loved it. It's fucking 0:04:04.640 --> 0:04:06.800 hot as hell here, and my kids were being babies 0:04:06.800 --> 0:04:08.720 about how cold it was. Oscar got into it after 0:04:08.760 --> 0:04:11.000 a few minutes, but Rosie was really she's really a 0:04:11.000 --> 0:04:12.600 baby about like heated pools now that. 0:04:12.760 --> 0:04:15.280 Yeah, how do they feel being in the city, Like 0:04:15.400 --> 0:04:18.599 what is Yeah? What are their thoughts? Because I think 0:04:18.640 --> 0:04:20.880 a lot of stereotypes do come true in the summer, 0:04:21.240 --> 0:04:23.560 and it does smell like piss more than it doesn't. 0:04:23.880 --> 0:04:25.640 Yeah, like Oscar a couple of times has been like, 0:04:25.760 --> 0:04:26.880 what's that smell? 0:04:26.920 --> 0:04:29.080 And I'm like, listen, New York's full of tons of smells. 0:04:29.160 --> 0:04:31.320 Keep walking, like you'll be it'll be a different it'll 0:04:31.320 --> 0:04:33.320 be a delicious smell in about one block, you know. 0:04:33.560 --> 0:04:37.240 Like, So they've been liking it though, like it's just uh, 0:04:37.480 --> 0:04:40.320 the walking. They love it at first, and then eventually 0:04:40.360 --> 0:04:42.880 they're like, h you know, but they're but they've they're 0:04:42.960 --> 0:04:45.800 they're doing great. I mean, they love this apartment that 0:04:45.800 --> 0:04:48.919 we're in because my friend has two kids their exact ages, 0:04:49.080 --> 0:04:50.840 so they're just playing with all new toys they've never 0:04:50.839 --> 0:04:54.320 seen before. So they're like pumped. But yeah, but it's 0:04:54.320 --> 0:04:56.320 been it's been good so far. I mean, getting here 0:04:56.400 --> 0:04:59.599 almost broke my body and spirit, but everything else was 0:05:00.120 --> 0:05:03.560 everything else in terms of packing, in terms of like 0:05:03.600 --> 0:05:05.960 I've never had to, I'm like, I rented my house 0:05:06.000 --> 0:05:09.200 out to somebody and getting my house like in order, 0:05:09.320 --> 0:05:11.279 like moving all of our crap out of the way 0:05:11.320 --> 0:05:13.840 and like putting it in the garage and like having 0:05:13.920 --> 0:05:16.520 it look really really good, and then getting the kids 0:05:16.640 --> 0:05:18.080 to a hotel and then to. 0:05:18.000 --> 0:05:20.080 The airport and then on the plane. 0:05:20.120 --> 0:05:22.040 And Rosie was feeling queasy on the plane and would 0:05:22.080 --> 0:05:24.960 stop whining. And then my mom picked us up and 0:05:25.080 --> 0:05:27.800 is like crazy driving in Brooklyn, Like it was just 0:05:27.880 --> 0:05:30.159 like a lot. I was like, I'm gonna die. And 0:05:30.200 --> 0:05:32.200 then I tried to go to sleep the first night. 0:05:32.200 --> 0:05:33.560 I was going to get some sleep for the first 0:05:33.600 --> 0:05:35.719 time in like forty eight hours, and Oscar woke up 0:05:35.720 --> 0:05:38.000 at eleven pm and was like it's morning, and I. 0:05:37.960 --> 0:05:41.480 Was like, I'm gonna kill somebody. So like it was 0:05:41.560 --> 0:05:42.359 just like a lot. 0:05:42.400 --> 0:05:44.000 But it's been a couple of days since we've been 0:05:44.040 --> 0:05:45.159 here and I'm feeling good. 0:05:45.240 --> 0:05:47.720 It's all good. Wait, what did you say it at 0:05:47.760 --> 0:05:48.960 a hotel by the airport. 0:05:49.520 --> 0:05:52.320 Yes, because I had my house deep cleaned on Friday, 0:05:52.400 --> 0:05:53.960 and of course I'm not gonna let my kids set 0:05:54.000 --> 0:05:56.000 foot back in that fucking house after they get out 0:05:56.000 --> 0:05:58.560 of their dirty hiking camp. So I booked us a 0:05:58.600 --> 0:06:01.120 hotel by Lax and was like, let's just state, we'll 0:06:01.200 --> 0:06:04.160 just go from We went to a friend's house after 0:06:05.360 --> 0:06:08.440 camp for like a little wine and pizza, wine for me, not. 0:06:08.440 --> 0:06:08.919 For the kids. 0:06:09.240 --> 0:06:12.320 And then and then we went to this Lax like 0:06:12.880 --> 0:06:14.920 highatt and then went straight to the air but from there, 0:06:14.920 --> 0:06:17.440 which was like great too, because you know it's a 0:06:17.520 --> 0:06:19.279 five minute drive to the Delta terminal. 0:06:19.440 --> 0:06:22.920 So yeah, damn yeah it was. It was a lot. 0:06:22.960 --> 0:06:24.160 It was a lot of moving pieces. 0:06:24.200 --> 0:06:27.040 And I have so many bags, like I have three 0:06:27.040 --> 0:06:29.560 massive suitcases and a little carry on with all these 0:06:29.640 --> 0:06:32.520 kids plus their little backpacks. My backpack, everything weighs twenty 0:06:32.560 --> 0:06:35.400 five thousand pounds. Like it's it's like I thought I 0:06:35.480 --> 0:06:37.160 was gonna like I was, like, my body. 0:06:36.960 --> 0:06:39.880 Can't handle anymore, like I'm dead. But I made it. 0:06:40.080 --> 0:06:43.279 I made it. You made it. I mean I love 0:06:43.279 --> 0:06:47.000 it here. And like the Empire State Building was gay 0:06:47.360 --> 0:06:50.560 for Pride, and it just looks so cute with the rainbow, 0:06:50.720 --> 0:06:53.840 like I love the rainbow nice. And then when I 0:06:54.000 --> 0:06:56.359 was go with my friend's pool who I used in 0:06:56.400 --> 0:06:59.640 Brooklyn Heights, it's like you're passing the bridge, you just 0:06:59.680 --> 0:07:02.720 see the boats and the jet skis and the views 0:07:02.920 --> 0:07:05.039 and then my glass little you know they have a 0:07:05.040 --> 0:07:08.159 second glass water tower. I don't know, it's just like 0:07:08.240 --> 0:07:10.640 too much to handle. I know my friend's here. I 0:07:10.640 --> 0:07:12.080 don't even when it's hot. I'm like, I'm in a 0:07:12.080 --> 0:07:13.960 Spike Lee movie. What are you gonna do? Like yeah, 0:07:14.000 --> 0:07:16.160 no matter, or like I'll get down to the train 0:07:16.200 --> 0:07:18.440 and then someone's just playing a tuba. I go, great, 0:07:18.680 --> 0:07:18.960 you know. 0:07:19.000 --> 0:07:22.040 Yeah, I love the city in the summer. 0:07:22.080 --> 0:07:23.640 I know a lot of people don't. I love it. 0:07:23.720 --> 0:07:25.880 Like I and my friend that I'm staying with here 0:07:26.000 --> 0:07:29.320 has a sick view of Manhattan from Brooklyn, Like it's 0:07:29.360 --> 0:07:31.280 really like overwhelming how awesome it is. 0:07:31.320 --> 0:07:33.160 And I'm like showing my kids and. 0:07:33.040 --> 0:07:34.840 Like Jared has this joke that he does where he's 0:07:34.840 --> 0:07:36.880 like you're lucky for there. He goes, You're welcome for 0:07:36.920 --> 0:07:39.800 the amazing life we're giving you, and like this is 0:07:39.880 --> 0:07:41.760 like I was just showing them the New York City 0:07:41.760 --> 0:07:44.880 skyline and was like, do not complain for one second. 0:07:45.000 --> 0:07:47.920 Look how great this is? You know, Like so it's 0:07:47.960 --> 0:07:51.800 been it's been cool though, but now and then I'm out. 0:07:52.440 --> 0:07:54.760 So I'm doing the reverse. But I'm just one person. 0:07:54.840 --> 0:07:58.640 But packing to do kill my spirits. Like once I 0:07:58.680 --> 0:08:00.720 go for three weeks, it's like it's just not a 0:08:00.800 --> 0:08:03.720 simple game. When I do a pop off weekend, even 0:08:03.720 --> 0:08:06.160 two weekends in a row, that's that's nothing. But when 0:08:06.200 --> 0:08:09.520 we're talking, I'm going to winter, you know what I mean. 0:08:09.640 --> 0:08:13.400 Oh that's right. You guys tell your trey is an 0:08:13.440 --> 0:08:15.560 Australian winter. How wintry is it? 0:08:15.600 --> 0:08:17.640 I mean, people are dramatic it'll be like thirty the 0:08:17.760 --> 0:08:20.640 coldest in Melbourne and Auckland, but like forty to thirty 0:08:20.760 --> 0:08:23.120 is the coldest it will get. So I don't think 0:08:23.160 --> 0:08:25.880 I'm bringing. Someone that I know from Australia said better 0:08:25.960 --> 0:08:27.680 to layer, So I don't think I'm gonna bring my big, 0:08:27.720 --> 0:08:30.840 big winter. But like I don't know if that leather 0:08:30.880 --> 0:08:33.680 I can layer this. Yeah, it's just that's what I Yeah, 0:08:33.720 --> 0:08:35.960 that's what I'm going through at the moment. A lot, 0:08:37.000 --> 0:08:39.960 it's a lot of shit. Yeah, you want to show 0:08:40.240 --> 0:08:43.400 outfit you want chill outfits, you want a lounging outfit, 0:08:43.520 --> 0:08:47.400 and then I will be back in. It's just like, yeah, packings. 0:08:47.640 --> 0:08:49.880 And then I went the rich person's house I went 0:08:49.920 --> 0:08:53.040 to had a lot of plants, and I go, are 0:08:53.040 --> 0:08:55.840 you watering these plants? And he goes, I have an assistant, 0:08:55.880 --> 0:08:57.760 and I go, that's how you get things you need 0:08:57.760 --> 0:08:59.880 and this is yeah, it's like the chase to try 0:08:59.880 --> 0:09:06.640 to get an assistant. Yeah, yeah I didn't. If I 0:09:06.679 --> 0:09:08.199 didn't have to water the plants, I would have a 0:09:08.280 --> 0:09:11.560 jumbatio full of gorgeous plants. Here, I go, who's doing this? 0:09:11.679 --> 0:09:13.760 My friend's like, that's all my husband. It's like his thing. 0:09:13.800 --> 0:09:14.600 He likes the plants. 0:09:14.640 --> 0:09:17.120 I'm like, I I can't keep plants, but I'm watering 0:09:17.160 --> 0:09:17.920 their plants a little bit. 0:09:17.960 --> 0:09:19.640 Because sometimes you can't just water them where they are. 0:09:19.640 --> 0:09:21.280 They have like a hole in the bottom with the soil. 0:09:21.400 --> 0:09:23.240 You got to put him and it's like, what are you? 0:09:23.280 --> 0:09:26.080 What are we doing here? Suddenly I'm a botanist. No, 0:09:26.200 --> 0:09:32.360 I can't do all that. No. Well, speaking of New York, 0:09:33.400 --> 0:09:37.680 I saw Margaret Joseph's Who's a Jersey Housewife? But okay, wait, 0:09:37.840 --> 0:09:42.160 I saw this wait, I was set. So I was like, 0:09:42.240 --> 0:09:45.560 so we're at a hotel lobby and then me and 0:09:45.600 --> 0:09:48.199 my friend Shocks, we go downstairs to use the bathroom, 0:09:48.679 --> 0:09:51.800 and you know what I'm gonna this. Okay, So it's 0:09:51.800 --> 0:09:54.000 one of the it's a hip bathroom. It's the one hotel, 0:09:54.120 --> 0:09:58.880 so it's like, you know, gender neutral and like a 0:09:58.920 --> 0:10:00.920 bunch of stalls, and then the you share. You know, 0:10:00.920 --> 0:10:04.240 there's no urinouls or anything like that, but all these 0:10:04.240 --> 0:10:07.319 are Orthodox Jews, and I'm like, you can't even pray 0:10:07.360 --> 0:10:09.640 next to a woman, and you're here pissing next to me. 0:10:09.840 --> 0:10:12.400 Get the fuck out of here. You won't shake a 0:10:12.400 --> 0:10:14.560 woman's hand, but we're all pissing in here together. It 0:10:14.640 --> 0:10:17.040 bothered me, and they all they were all like trying 0:10:17.040 --> 0:10:18.600 to cut in line. When person's like are you in line, 0:10:18.640 --> 0:10:20.520 It's like no, we're in a row, just chilling in 0:10:20.520 --> 0:10:25.240 the toilet. Get behind us. But I just whatever. So 0:10:25.320 --> 0:10:28.679 we go to the bathroom and then what happened I 0:10:28.720 --> 0:10:31.679 think with Margaret and her friend Lexi is they went 0:10:31.679 --> 0:10:33.719 into an elevator that was coming down, thinking they were 0:10:33.720 --> 0:10:35.560 going up, so they didn't want to come down there. 0:10:35.920 --> 0:10:38.560 And I walked into the elevator, and I lost all 0:10:38.720 --> 0:10:42.280 tether to like reality and how to behave I really did. 0:10:42.400 --> 0:10:46.160 I went Margaret Joseph's like, I lost it fully And 0:10:46.200 --> 0:10:47.160 then but you were. 0:10:47.000 --> 0:10:51.360 In the same elevator with her, Yes, okay, I saw 0:10:51.440 --> 0:10:53.199 our Wait do you want to not talk about how 0:10:53.200 --> 0:10:54.600 your friend got married or do you want to talk 0:10:54.600 --> 0:10:55.280 about I don't care. 0:10:55.280 --> 0:10:56.520 But they were in the love That's what I said. 0:10:56.600 --> 0:10:59.480 People were in the lobby. I went to the bathroom 0:10:59.600 --> 0:11:01.840 and then so just me and my friend, the elevator 0:11:01.880 --> 0:11:06.160 doors open and Margaret's in there. No one else experienced that. 0:11:06.720 --> 0:11:09.600 Yeah, I did not know anybody saw her in full 0:11:10.000 --> 0:11:12.080 view because I saw somebody post a photo of her 0:11:12.080 --> 0:11:14.280 from a far and was like, oh, neat, that's a 0:11:14.280 --> 0:11:16.560 good omen. You're getting a Margaret on your wedding day. 0:11:16.600 --> 0:11:20.320 That's exciting. But then you were in an enclosed space. 0:11:20.320 --> 0:11:21.600 So what happened? How did she react? 0:11:21.720 --> 0:11:25.160 She was like, oh, yeah, you look incredible. But then 0:11:25.200 --> 0:11:27.640 I didn't realize that they had seen her through the lobby, 0:11:27.720 --> 0:11:30.280 you know, like this was my own experience, and so 0:11:30.400 --> 0:11:32.520 I try to get her out of the I go, 0:11:32.760 --> 0:11:35.040 my friend just got married, you gotta come out. I 0:11:35.080 --> 0:11:37.040 go you gotta say hi to my friend. And she 0:11:37.280 --> 0:11:40.640 was clearly like, well, congrats to your friend, like of 0:11:40.640 --> 0:11:42.600 course she's not gonna come out of the YELP things. 0:11:42.880 --> 0:11:45.000 I got it, what am I thinking? But I lost, 0:11:45.160 --> 0:11:48.520 like I also should have been like anything, but I said, 0:11:48.520 --> 0:11:50.520 she looked great, and then and then I just kept going, 0:11:50.520 --> 0:11:52.040 I can't believe you're here. What are you doing here? 0:11:52.040 --> 0:11:53.440 Are you going to the wedding? Because there was like 0:11:53.480 --> 0:11:56.520 another there was like eight weddings in that hotel, and 0:11:56.600 --> 0:12:00.160 so so she goes, oh, there's a GLAD event on 0:12:00.240 --> 0:12:03.360 the second floor, so that they got the photos through 0:12:03.360 --> 0:12:05.760 the window at the step and repeat of this Glad event. 0:12:06.240 --> 0:12:09.800 And then Harvey Gillian, who I worked with this last summer, 0:12:10.800 --> 0:12:13.239 he had a post with that I've had it podcast 0:12:13.320 --> 0:12:16.000 Women at a GLAD event and I DMed him and 0:12:16.040 --> 0:12:17.800 it was the same one and he saw Margaret there 0:12:17.840 --> 0:12:22.800 as well. But she looked fantastic. It was it was exciting. 0:12:22.880 --> 0:12:24.760 It was through ye, Margaret's had some good work done. 0:12:24.760 --> 0:12:26.760 I feel like she looks great. Yeah, but I wish 0:12:26.800 --> 0:12:27.600 I composed. 0:12:27.760 --> 0:12:32.079 I truly screamed, like chose like I couldn't. 0:12:32.120 --> 0:12:33.760 But was this like the end of the night. Was 0:12:33.760 --> 0:12:36.040 this towards the end of the night or no, Like 0:12:36.080 --> 0:12:38.400 where was this, Like there was a few drinks in 0:12:38.600 --> 0:12:39.480 and like having. 0:12:39.280 --> 0:12:41.000 A great time at my friend's wedding. I would definitely 0:12:41.040 --> 0:12:43.520 know there wasn't a wedding. My friends got married for 0:12:43.600 --> 0:12:47.000 health insurance, and then we went to the courthouse, but 0:12:47.040 --> 0:12:50.160 they got a hotel room. So we after dinner stopped 0:12:50.160 --> 0:12:51.920 at the hotel room. We were gonna have drinks on 0:12:51.920 --> 0:12:54.560 the roof, but it was closed for a wedding. Like 0:12:54.679 --> 0:12:56.880 there were just like a lot of events happening at 0:12:56.920 --> 0:13:00.160 the There was just like a lot. Oh. I did 0:13:00.240 --> 0:13:02.680 go to one bride party that was exciting. I danced, 0:13:04.080 --> 0:13:05.960 but it was so and then we just went to 0:13:06.000 --> 0:13:08.800 a bar, right, yeah that's great. Yeah we didn't know. 0:13:09.080 --> 0:13:11.480 The pictures all looked really fun. But it is the 0:13:11.559 --> 0:13:15.440 omen of me and my friend. Like anytime her and 0:13:15.080 --> 0:13:18.760 her dude, or we like book a hotel pool or 0:13:18.760 --> 0:13:21.960 any it's raining, it's cloudy, it's closed, Like there's always 0:13:22.120 --> 0:13:24.440 something running amuck. 0:13:24.640 --> 0:13:26.280 But I was gonna say, every time you and that 0:13:26.360 --> 0:13:29.040 friend book a hotel, you see bravo people, because. 0:13:28.840 --> 0:13:29.640 You do sometimes. 0:13:29.760 --> 0:13:31.199 I mean, there was like the time from the other 0:13:31.280 --> 0:13:33.439 hotel I saw. 0:13:34.720 --> 0:13:36.839 But we were also with someone where we're like, it's 0:13:36.840 --> 0:13:39.240 a good because someone else got married and there was 0:13:39.240 --> 0:13:43.520 a house. Oh Bennett who was with us, Julia's friend 0:13:44.000 --> 0:13:46.400 when he got married Ebony was on the same rooftop 0:13:46.440 --> 0:13:50.000 as them, oh New York. So it was like, it 0:13:50.360 --> 0:13:51.760 is an omen, it's a good one. 0:13:52.160 --> 0:13:56.400 Someone sent me a screenshot of something that I don't 0:13:56.440 --> 0:13:58.120 know if it's real or not that says we might 0:13:58.160 --> 0:13:59.160 get to see Morocco. 0:13:59.480 --> 0:14:01.400 That Morocco, oh might come out. Did you see this? 0:14:01.880 --> 0:14:03.880 I didn't, and I don't want you to get my hopeset. 0:14:04.120 --> 0:14:05.360 I really don't. 0:14:05.920 --> 0:14:07.679 Somebody said to me and was like, we might get 0:14:07.679 --> 0:14:09.120 and I was like, I was thinking the same thing, 0:14:09.200 --> 0:14:09.440 kind of. 0:14:09.440 --> 0:14:10.959 I was like, I don't know. I'll believe it when 0:14:11.000 --> 0:14:13.600 I see it, you know. Yeah, did you see Andy 0:14:13.720 --> 0:14:18.880 Cohen moved, uh moved building after twenty two years. Yeah. 0:14:19.200 --> 0:14:22.480 I saw his beautiful homage to his like like staff 0:14:22.480 --> 0:14:24.160 at his building. It was so nice. Oh my god. 0:14:24.200 --> 0:14:25.720 So I went to dinner at a friend's house. They 0:14:25.720 --> 0:14:27.280 have one seven year old daughter, and she's like an 0:14:27.320 --> 0:14:28.920 Upper West Side girl, Like, what are you gonna say? 0:14:28.920 --> 0:14:30.360 You know what I mean? She walks to school and 0:14:30.360 --> 0:14:34.240 she's very hip, and so I'm talking and she goes, 0:14:34.680 --> 0:14:37.080 you don't have a doorman. I go, no, she goes, 0:14:37.360 --> 0:14:40.360 so people could just walk into your apartment. I was like, no, 0:14:40.440 --> 0:14:44.040 there's two buzzers. But she's just it's so funny, Like 0:14:44.080 --> 0:14:46.120 I've told you my sister and all her friends, I'll 0:14:46.120 --> 0:14:46.640 have dorman. 0:14:47.280 --> 0:14:49.400 My sister when she taught fifth grade on the Upper 0:14:49.440 --> 0:14:51.680 East Side, Like they were like, you don't have a 0:14:51.720 --> 0:14:54.640 country house, Miss Caitlin. Like they couldn't believe she didn't 0:14:54.640 --> 0:14:56.520 have a country house. You're like, what do you like 0:14:56.720 --> 0:14:59.080 do on the weekend? Like they you know, it's like 0:14:59.560 --> 0:15:01.440 they don't. Oh, I don't know, but I had such 0:15:01.440 --> 0:15:02.000 a nice city. 0:15:02.040 --> 0:15:04.800 I forget. It's it is easy to cook. They like 0:15:04.880 --> 0:15:06.520 put some salmon in the air fryer, and I have 0:15:06.680 --> 0:15:08.960 like a delicious moist piece of fit. I mean, I 0:15:08.960 --> 0:15:11.680 don't know. I want an air fryer. I think you 0:15:11.720 --> 0:15:13.400 would love an air fryer. 0:15:13.520 --> 0:15:16.000 I need an air frier company to sponsor our pod 0:15:16.000 --> 0:15:16.520 and give me one. 0:15:16.560 --> 0:15:18.040 Come on, like one hundred and thirty. 0:15:19.560 --> 0:15:22.040 There's a specific one I want. There's a specific one 0:15:22.040 --> 0:15:25.320 I want. Yeah, there's one I've looked because I like 0:15:25.400 --> 0:15:27.520 that it's like a toaster, oven and an air fry. 0:15:27.600 --> 0:15:29.160 It does like a bunch of different things, and that's 0:15:29.160 --> 0:15:31.160 the one I want. It's like a Breville one. I 0:15:31.160 --> 0:15:32.960 don't know, it's it's it's a hoop dream for them 0:15:33.000 --> 0:15:33.800 to sponsor the pod. 0:15:34.320 --> 0:15:35.960 But well, I was about to say, what else are 0:15:36.000 --> 0:15:37.360 you going to do in New York? When am I 0:15:37.400 --> 0:15:42.240 going to see you? But we also huge announcement you're 0:15:42.240 --> 0:15:44.640 in New York or the Tri state area down to 0:15:44.680 --> 0:15:47.320 do a trip in August to New York. Who wouldn't 0:15:47.320 --> 0:15:49.640 want to do that? Who wouldn't want to be in 0:15:49.680 --> 0:15:52.800 New York in August? Every therapist and person with a 0:15:52.840 --> 0:15:56.080 country house, that's they leave. They and the art world 0:15:56.160 --> 0:15:57.000 they shut down too. 0:15:57.560 --> 0:16:01.040 But if you are in New York City on August fourteenth, 0:16:01.080 --> 0:16:03.520 that's a Thursday, We're gonna be doing a That's Messed 0:16:03.560 --> 0:16:07.040 Up live at the Bellhouse in Brooklyn, baby so and 0:16:07.080 --> 0:16:09.720 it's a lot of smaller venue than we've performed at 0:16:09.760 --> 0:16:10.920 before in one show. 0:16:11.040 --> 0:16:13.880 So I get I would get your tickets. 0:16:13.560 --> 0:16:16.000 Get tickets, get tickets, And I mean the nice thing 0:16:16.000 --> 0:16:17.880 about the Bellhouse is it's like it's a little different 0:16:17.920 --> 0:16:19.240 than some of the other venues we've done. There's no 0:16:19.280 --> 0:16:21.240 drink minimums or anything like that, so you could just 0:16:21.280 --> 0:16:23.080 come watch us sang out hard to drink. 0:16:23.120 --> 0:16:25.160 You know, it's more cash. They do want you, they 0:16:25.200 --> 0:16:27.840 want you. They'll yeah fond. You don't bring your knives 0:16:27.920 --> 0:16:29.760 or guns. Don't bring a knife for a gun to 0:16:30.120 --> 0:16:31.160 the SVU podcast. 0:16:31.400 --> 0:16:33.960 If it's like your cause playing as us, which people 0:16:34.000 --> 0:16:36.040 have done before, you know, you can bring fake cuffs 0:16:36.080 --> 0:16:36.400 or whatever. 0:16:36.400 --> 0:16:38.080 I'm sure that'll be okay with the wand people. 0:16:38.640 --> 0:16:41.040 But yeah, go to That's messed Up live dot com. 0:16:41.080 --> 0:16:44.440 We'll have the link up there to buy tickets, and yeah, 0:16:44.640 --> 0:16:45.320 come see us. 0:16:45.360 --> 0:16:47.880 We're gonna do We'll do an episode we've never done in. 0:16:47.840 --> 0:16:50.880 New York, so obviously you're gonna get something new and 0:16:50.920 --> 0:16:53.600 fun and yeah, I'm excited. We haven't done a live 0:16:53.600 --> 0:16:56.760 show since Febbs, so come and come hang down. 0:16:57.200 --> 0:17:00.200 It's so many the Melinda Warner Rollins who dress up 0:17:00.200 --> 0:17:02.800 in North Carolina for our Halloween shows. They came to 0:17:02.840 --> 0:17:05.159 my stand up show, but the shows before the one 0:17:05.200 --> 0:17:07.800 they came to, they go remember the girls who dressed up, 0:17:08.160 --> 0:17:10.919 they were like the talk of the town. Truly really, 0:17:11.440 --> 0:17:13.920 it really does stay with us forever. Yeah. 0:17:14.080 --> 0:17:17.560 Well last when we did like a tiny tour last 0:17:17.640 --> 0:17:19.760 year too, we got a lot of Halloween. Were so 0:17:19.760 --> 0:17:21.560 close to Halloweens, we were getting a lot of Halloween 0:17:21.560 --> 0:17:22.480 and those people. 0:17:22.240 --> 0:17:24.800 Really turned it out. That was really fun. Well, yeah, 0:17:24.840 --> 0:17:28.160 this is what I was talking about. Yeah, yeah, like Denver, Pa, 0:17:28.240 --> 0:17:30.080 you don't have to do it in August, but we. 0:17:30.119 --> 0:17:32.640 Yeah, yeah, please please, you do not have to wear 0:17:32.640 --> 0:17:34.960 a leather and dresses rollins on in the mid August 0:17:35.000 --> 0:17:39.520 to New York City too much. And then if you're going, 0:17:39.680 --> 0:17:42.520 if you are in Australia, go to when You're at 0:17:42.600 --> 0:17:45.720 That's Messed Up Live. You could also go there. Scroll 0:17:45.760 --> 0:17:48.199 down to Liza's website that has all the tickets to 0:17:48.240 --> 0:17:49.800 her Australia and. 0:17:49.800 --> 0:17:52.480 New Zealand shows. I do feel like we're letting everyone down. 0:17:52.520 --> 0:17:56.280 I have not watched My mom is Jane. I know. 0:17:56.320 --> 0:17:58.760 I'm sorry. I want Jania. I'm going to. But I've 0:17:58.800 --> 0:18:02.119 been getting text and from people and they're loving it. 0:18:02.280 --> 0:18:04.480 Someone's like, I didn't really think about Marishka. Now I'm 0:18:04.520 --> 0:18:07.359 obsessed with her like that. It's so well done and emotional, 0:18:07.440 --> 0:18:08.440 so it gets. 0:18:08.359 --> 0:18:11.880 Wild to me because I oh, I wanted to mention 0:18:11.960 --> 0:18:14.560 this to you, like, you know, the other podcast I 0:18:14.600 --> 0:18:17.679 listened to is called who Weekly, right, yeah, and so 0:18:17.800 --> 0:18:21.800 who Weekly basically I love it. They divide celebrities into 0:18:21.840 --> 0:18:24.360 who's in thems and then there's actually nas, which are 0:18:24.400 --> 0:18:26.200 like that's like kind of insulting. It's like no one 0:18:26.200 --> 0:18:27.960 even know you're not even on the register if you're 0:18:28.040 --> 0:18:30.760 like a nah, But like who's are Like they might 0:18:30.800 --> 0:18:33.320 be famous on TikTok or they might be famous like 0:18:33.480 --> 0:18:35.720 in a one movie or something like that, but they're 0:18:35.760 --> 0:18:38.720 not necessarily them is like Tom Hanks, Julia Roberts, like 0:18:38.880 --> 0:18:42.480 Scarlett Johansson. So they were talking about whether Mariushka Hargita 0:18:42.720 --> 0:18:44.960 is a who or them on a recent episode. 0:18:45.000 --> 0:18:47.160 That's the dumbest thing ever. And I was like, definitely 0:18:47.160 --> 0:18:47.520 of them. 0:18:47.600 --> 0:18:51.640 And they were like they were arguing that Olivia Benson 0:18:51.920 --> 0:18:54.320 is a bigger them than Marishka Rteah. 0:18:54.320 --> 0:18:57.600 Sure, but there is no Olivia without Marishka. True. But 0:18:57.680 --> 0:19:00.480 they see the people at her premiere, I mean, share 0:19:00.640 --> 0:19:04.840 was there, Like, I know, the the A list people 0:19:04.920 --> 0:19:08.080 that were at the car that at the premiere was 0:19:08.080 --> 0:19:10.359 was insane, went really deep yes. 0:19:10.520 --> 0:19:12.600 I think though that if you don't listen to like 0:19:12.720 --> 0:19:16.119 our podcasts or you don't like super follow like, you 0:19:16.200 --> 0:19:18.520 might not know that she is like truly one of 0:19:18.520 --> 0:19:21.360 the most connected people I think in the business. 0:19:21.400 --> 0:19:24.479 I think she knows everybody, and I think even at 0:19:24.480 --> 0:19:27.080 the Knicks games like the other like Ben Skiller and 0:19:27.080 --> 0:19:30.760 all those people are like like like, she gets hugs 0:19:30.760 --> 0:19:33.520 from players that won't even hug their family, Like, yeah, 0:19:33.560 --> 0:19:37.159 people are obsessed with her and everyone watches us to 0:19:37.160 --> 0:19:38.840 be It's just a show that's been on the air 0:19:38.920 --> 0:19:42.840 for twenty six years. It would be psychotic to say 0:19:42.880 --> 0:19:47.359 it's not them. Yeah, Jamie Lee Curtis was at this premiere. 0:19:48.320 --> 0:19:51.639 No, I obviously she's my biggest them in my life. 0:19:51.920 --> 0:19:55.360 Like obviously I think she's them. You know their vanes 0:19:55.920 --> 0:19:59.800 or shields. Well, we have friends fully star studded b 0:20:00.000 --> 0:20:04.080 but Liam Neeson's there. What they would even. 0:20:03.920 --> 0:20:09.000 Think of other examples of people where their character is 0:20:09.080 --> 0:20:11.880 like as famous as they are or more famous. Oh, 0:20:11.960 --> 0:20:14.080 that's a lot of thinking, Like yeah, I was like 0:20:14.160 --> 0:20:17.000 John Snow is probably one of them. 0:20:17.600 --> 0:20:19.399 You know what. A lot of clips from Game of 0:20:19.400 --> 0:20:21.840 Thrones are showing up in my YouTube shorts and this 0:20:21.960 --> 0:20:25.040 might be a little slow to the game, but looks good. 0:20:25.240 --> 0:20:28.119 I think I might want to watch somebody might be 0:20:28.160 --> 0:20:31.360 getting in. The only thing about Game of Thrones. 0:20:31.080 --> 0:20:34.000 Is like you have to actively watch so hardcore because 0:20:34.040 --> 0:20:36.719 there's so many fucking plot lines going on. That's why 0:20:36.760 --> 0:20:39.080 I kind of like House of the Dragon, how so 0:20:39.160 --> 0:20:41.440 the Dragons the new one, and it's really just like 0:20:41.600 --> 0:20:43.880 one or two plot lines going on at all times. 0:20:44.200 --> 0:20:47.320 It's like a light Game of Thrones because Game of 0:20:47.320 --> 0:20:49.040 Thrones have a fucking story raging. 0:20:49.160 --> 0:20:51.120 Yeah, you've got it. I'm like sitting with my Olivia 0:20:51.200 --> 0:20:54.800 Lighter being like, how dare you call her a? Who? Yeah? 0:20:54.880 --> 0:20:57.520 I mean everyone from the Office I think, like even 0:20:57.600 --> 0:21:00.400 Steve Corral I don't think his oh'm I mean he's 0:21:00.440 --> 0:21:03.520 really famous and beloved, but I bet people call him 0:21:03.520 --> 0:21:07.000 Michael Scott all the time. Yeah, yeah, that's true, Michael Scott. Yeah, 0:21:07.040 --> 0:21:08.879 am I wrong? Yeah? But like Rain Wilson, it like 0:21:08.960 --> 0:21:11.239 drives him crazy and it's I don't know, every time 0:21:11.240 --> 0:21:13.320 I see him in an interview, I'm like, you're so unlikable, 0:21:13.440 --> 0:21:14.639 Like I can't believe it. 0:21:15.080 --> 0:21:17.040 Yeah, I mean, look at Kevin from the Office, who 0:21:17.080 --> 0:21:18.879 was on an SVU that we covered recently, and I 0:21:18.920 --> 0:21:21.000 was like, I can't believe that that's this guy's real name. 0:21:21.040 --> 0:21:23.240 I did not know it, like I've always he's always 0:21:23.280 --> 0:21:24.640 Kevin from the office to me. 0:21:25.440 --> 0:21:27.679 I don't know. I watch yeah, but like the Rain, he 0:21:27.800 --> 0:21:31.480 was on last Meals and he was trying to be condescending, like, whoa, 0:21:31.840 --> 0:21:33.480 how do you know about Persian food? And he goes 0:21:33.760 --> 0:21:35.960 my co host is, I'm like a professor. I don't know. 0:21:36.000 --> 0:21:39.480 It was just it was uncomfortable to watch Rain Wilson. Yeah, 0:21:39.480 --> 0:21:44.760 he's uncomfortable. Oh he's yeah, I didn't let Yeah he's 0:21:44.800 --> 0:21:47.320 in an SVU. Yeah he is. He's like a janitor. 0:21:47.880 --> 0:21:49.680 I forget about that one. Yeah. 0:21:49.800 --> 0:21:52.960 Yeah, I'm like for having a hard time remembering. Anyway, 0:21:53.040 --> 0:21:55.720 we are gonna watch My mom My Mom Jane. 0:21:56.000 --> 0:21:58.520 Yeah, I'm going to watch well. I also, I have 0:21:58.560 --> 0:22:01.000 a quick thing. I just want to say. I tried 0:22:01.000 --> 0:22:03.960 to horse readdish cream cheese, not good, would not recommend. 0:22:04.200 --> 0:22:06.480 Just want to look out for my friends that'll listen, 0:22:07.359 --> 0:22:12.520 that might be lured, don't do it, okay, And then 0:22:12.560 --> 0:22:15.520 I have terrible news for you. I did start watching 0:22:15.600 --> 0:22:20.400 season two of Queer Ultimatum so oh my. 0:22:20.359 --> 0:22:22.880 God, it's gonna be all I hear about all right, 0:22:23.080 --> 0:22:24.120 all right, so bad. 0:22:24.320 --> 0:22:27.239 It's like they take out everything, like everything fun from 0:22:27.320 --> 0:22:29.560 reality and they just they all want to be challenged. 0:22:29.600 --> 0:22:31.359 I'm like, why do you all want to be challenged 0:22:31.440 --> 0:22:34.639 so badly? It's like, yeah, I think she's gonna challenge me. 0:22:34.920 --> 0:22:37.080 It's like, okay, I don't. I don't understand why you 0:22:37.240 --> 0:22:38.160 get Also. 0:22:38.040 --> 0:22:42.159 Life could be easy, yeah. 0:22:40.680 --> 0:22:43.679 But also like the flip to then just pretend to 0:22:43.720 --> 0:22:45.760 be married with a stranger for three weeks to then 0:22:45.840 --> 0:22:48.120 flop back, but you have to sleep in the same bed, 0:22:48.160 --> 0:22:50.640 but then everyone's getting mad if they cuddle with anyone else. 0:22:51.440 --> 0:22:54.520 It's it's so psychotic. If anyone's watching DM ME, I 0:22:54.680 --> 0:22:59.920 just yeah, I would Also why is the host straight? 0:23:00.960 --> 0:23:04.040 Why is the host a straight woman? It makes no sense. 0:23:05.160 --> 0:23:07.400 It makes no sense. And she's like, just because I'm 0:23:07.400 --> 0:23:10.320 straight doesn't mean I don't understand about life. It's like, yeah, 0:23:10.320 --> 0:23:12.600 but you don't understand queer. Get out of here. 0:23:13.160 --> 0:23:17.080 They couldn't get Krishelle or somebody, like, come on, that's crazy. 0:23:17.160 --> 0:23:19.439 I think it's fair. But I would say better than 0:23:19.480 --> 0:23:22.040 all the other dating shows, Like everyone looks different and 0:23:22.040 --> 0:23:25.800 it's from different plates, like they all like it's really 0:23:25.840 --> 0:23:28.160 that's the only uh that's like a cool thing. 0:23:28.600 --> 0:23:30.840 Yeah, because Love Island is a little bit more homogeneous. 0:23:30.840 --> 0:23:32.440 I feel like everybody's talking to me about Love Island. 0:23:32.480 --> 0:23:34.320 I mean, I'm never gonna watch Love Island, but people 0:23:34.400 --> 0:23:35.840 are talking to me about it. 0:23:35.920 --> 0:23:38.240 Yeah. It's wild what you do fight off because you're 0:23:38.359 --> 0:23:40.760 usually ravenous about keeping up with the culture. 0:23:41.119 --> 0:23:43.280 Yeah, but I can't. I can't, Like I don't really 0:23:43.320 --> 0:23:46.240 do fuck life. I don't, like I've talked about this before, right, Like, 0:23:46.280 --> 0:23:47.440 I don't really do fuck life. 0:23:47.480 --> 0:23:51.760 I just do Housewives. But and vander Pump. 0:23:51.520 --> 0:23:52.960 Was as close to fuck life as I got. And 0:23:53.000 --> 0:23:55.040 I'm not even really still in it anymore. But I 0:23:55.040 --> 0:23:56.639 do want to watch Next Gen. I do want to 0:23:56.640 --> 0:23:59.400 watch Next Gen. I'm watching that. But wait, one other 0:23:59.440 --> 0:24:01.439 thing I was gonnay is people are asking us to 0:24:01.480 --> 0:24:03.160 react to the Call Her Daddy interview. 0:24:03.359 --> 0:24:06.240 Obviously I haven't listened to it. I don't want to 0:24:06.320 --> 0:24:09.520 Spotify are serious now, Like, I don't watch it. The 0:24:09.600 --> 0:24:12.200 one clip I saw it's a little cringey. It's hard 0:24:12.240 --> 0:24:14.560 for me. I mean, we obviously love Marshika it's hard 0:24:14.600 --> 0:24:17.399 for me to watch her try to be funny and personable. Mm. 0:24:17.680 --> 0:24:22.480 It's like cringey to me. It makes me uncomfortable. Yeah yeah, 0:24:22.680 --> 0:24:24.840 I mean it's so mad. Yeah, I'm like so cool 0:24:24.880 --> 0:24:27.320 and fun and I'm hysterical, and I'm like, I don't 0:24:27.359 --> 0:24:28.360 think I could I do. I can't. 0:24:28.560 --> 0:24:31.720 This is a woman that uses like hashtags as full sentences, 0:24:31.800 --> 0:24:32.440 you know what I mean. 0:24:32.640 --> 0:24:34.480 Like, this is a woman that. 0:24:35.080 --> 0:24:37.240 Like uses a hashtag like let me introduce you to 0:24:37.280 --> 0:24:39.240 my best friend Brooke. Like you know that's'll be like 0:24:39.280 --> 0:24:42.239 the hashtag. You're like, that's not how they work. But 0:24:42.359 --> 0:24:46.520 I love her, But I did like one clip I 0:24:46.560 --> 0:24:48.560 saw where she said like in her twenties she wasn't 0:24:48.560 --> 0:24:50.040 really getting a lot of work. And I was like, 0:24:50.080 --> 0:24:54.080 that's wild, because like you're a nepo and gorgeous and 0:24:54.160 --> 0:24:56.280 like she is like an example of somebody. She did 0:24:56.359 --> 0:24:58.320 not get this show until she was in her thirties, 0:24:58.960 --> 0:24:59.240 you know. 0:24:59.520 --> 0:25:02.720 Yeah, and she thought she was gonna do comedy, you know. Yeah, 0:25:02.800 --> 0:25:05.400 So that's the clip I saw. There was just like psychic. Yeah, 0:25:05.400 --> 0:25:08.359 there's just this thing of like it just was hard 0:25:08.400 --> 0:25:10.600 to watch. I would say, yeah, just the one little thing. 0:25:10.600 --> 0:25:12.480 But I'm gonna after I watch the movie, I'm gonna 0:25:12.480 --> 0:25:13.520 listen to the mark Maren. 0:25:14.359 --> 0:25:17.639 Oh yeah, I'm I'm more interested to see how she 0:25:17.800 --> 0:25:22.800 was different on Maren versus on uh, on Alex Cooper 0:25:22.880 --> 0:25:25.840 or whatever. But all right, we've got a lot of 0:25:25.920 --> 0:25:27.800 Marishka catching up to do. We'll get on it as 0:25:27.800 --> 0:25:30.040 soon as possible. It's a busy summer. I've been traveling. 0:25:30.119 --> 0:25:35.840 Jesus about travel what So the Sharman Bear the commercials, 0:25:35.920 --> 0:25:39.120 the new Sharman Bear has a Tiffany's Heart necklace on it. 0:25:39.240 --> 0:25:41.199 She's like a red bear and she has like a 0:25:41.240 --> 0:25:44.200 Tiffany's necklace. I took photo, but I'll get in trouble 0:25:44.240 --> 0:25:47.840 if my phone is next door recorder. So but the 0:25:47.880 --> 0:25:51.359 Sharman Bear is wearing a Tiffany's necklace. So I send 0:25:51.359 --> 0:25:54.680 it to a friend who's a fellow Tiffany's Heart girl, 0:25:55.359 --> 0:25:57.479 and then I just send it to her being like lol, 0:25:58.040 --> 0:26:01.800 go on Instagram. She just posted maybe ten minutes earlier 0:26:01.800 --> 0:26:05.320 that her father had died, and I went, wow, I'm 0:26:05.440 --> 0:26:10.240 the timing, so sorry, back, Like, I'm sorry, I just 0:26:10.240 --> 0:26:13.760 went on Instagram. I apologize for the timing. She goes 0:26:13.800 --> 0:26:16.000 well it did make me laugh. I cook, Well, that's good, 0:26:16.040 --> 0:26:19.760 but like the timing could not have been sillier. 0:26:19.840 --> 0:26:22.960 Yeah, and that's like I yeah, I mean not the 0:26:22.960 --> 0:26:25.879 same level of severity. But I did keep texting my 0:26:26.600 --> 0:26:29.400 old babysitter asking when her boyfriend could do a bird 0:26:29.400 --> 0:26:31.280 show for my kids, and it was always right after 0:26:31.320 --> 0:26:32.040 they had just broken up. 0:26:32.080 --> 0:26:33.840 I did it twice. Yeah, I did it two times, 0:26:33.840 --> 0:26:36.880 and then I was like sorry, like I just it's 0:26:36.880 --> 0:26:40.040 so awkward. But now we can legit start, we can legit. 0:26:40.200 --> 0:26:41.840 I like when you're like, wait, I have to say 0:26:41.880 --> 0:26:45.359 one more thing. The Sharman bear wears a Tiffany's Like, 0:26:45.440 --> 0:26:47.560 it was like this must be I thought you were 0:26:47.640 --> 0:26:49.840 just going to talk about the Tiffany secause I was like, yeah, 0:26:49.880 --> 0:26:54.480 this was we had to keep this in important information. 0:26:55.160 --> 0:26:57.480 Uh but yeah, we're going to start the episode. We've 0:26:57.480 --> 0:26:59.480 got a good one for you. But go to That's 0:26:59.520 --> 0:27:02.359 messed Up dot com for LESA tickets for tickets to 0:27:02.359 --> 0:27:06.520 our show in New York on August fourteenth, and uh yeah, 0:27:06.600 --> 0:27:07.240 let's kick it. 0:27:07.240 --> 0:27:15.360 With this awesome episode. Here we go, all right today 0:27:15.640 --> 0:27:19.200 for our two hundred and fortieth episode. If you scramble those. 0:27:19.400 --> 0:27:24.160 It's four twenty so pretty thrilling, huge milestone. Yeah, we're 0:27:24.160 --> 0:27:29.320 doing Liberties season ten, episode twenty one. Let's get into it. 0:27:29.400 --> 0:27:33.040 Another one I sort of forgot about. I remember it. 0:27:33.040 --> 0:27:36.800 It's just so convoluted and insane. It's an insane episode. 0:27:36.520 --> 0:27:39.040 And in insane episode, I'm glad you said it before 0:27:39.080 --> 0:27:39.560 I had to. 0:27:39.880 --> 0:27:43.720 It's like, all, like, what is it when you go 0:27:43.760 --> 0:27:46.240 to a play? What do you suspend your disbelief or whatnot? 0:27:46.400 --> 0:27:48.639 You really gotta separate my. 0:27:48.720 --> 0:27:51.240 Break belief is hanging from a piece of floss on 0:27:51.320 --> 0:27:57.120 the ceiling by a thread, Like it is like crazy, yeah. 0:27:57.119 --> 0:28:02.880 Thread floss situation, but you know it is it starts 0:28:02.920 --> 0:28:05.760 grounded and then whatever, We're gonna get into it. And 0:28:05.800 --> 0:28:09.920 if you are someone that you know knows this episode 0:28:09.960 --> 0:28:13.840 and isn't one of our non watching freaks, is that 0:28:13.880 --> 0:28:17.320 a good merch? I'm an I'm not matching freaks. Yeah, 0:28:17.359 --> 0:28:20.760 I'm a that's messed up non watching freak listener. Is 0:28:20.800 --> 0:28:24.320 that a cool shirt? Is that a shirt people to wear? 0:28:24.400 --> 0:28:27.840 Chopped tank? Would you guys do that? How did I pack? I? 0:28:28.320 --> 0:28:29.920 You know, I have my new tank top that says 0:28:29.920 --> 0:28:32.479 I hope your abuser dies. Maybe I'll wear it tonight. 0:28:32.640 --> 0:28:36.159 I love that. Yeah, that's good. But then someone was like, 0:28:36.240 --> 0:28:39.320 I wonder who in They're like, I wonder what little 0:28:39.400 --> 0:28:41.520 kid in a sweatshop made that? And I'm like, touche 0:28:42.160 --> 0:28:44.640 cause it is definitely a fast passion. It's not like 0:28:44.640 --> 0:28:47.520 I'm buying it from like a charity that goes to abuse, 0:28:47.840 --> 0:28:51.720 you know, abuse victims. It's a seventy five dollars T shirt. Yeah, no, 0:28:51.800 --> 0:28:55.520 it's Cherrycale. Baby, it's twelve ninety nine. I don't think 0:28:55.520 --> 0:28:58.920 it's gonna survive a wash. But anyways, two thousand and nine. 0:28:59.160 --> 0:29:01.840 I so this came out May two thousand and nine, 0:29:01.840 --> 0:29:03.960 which means I was two months into stand up comedy 0:29:04.200 --> 0:29:10.680 around this time. Wow, well baby Lisa at open mics. 0:29:10.960 --> 0:29:13.160 I know, I was twenty one. That's kind of insane, 0:29:13.440 --> 0:29:16.200 so young. I didn't start till I was twenty seven. Yeah, 0:29:16.240 --> 0:29:18.400 I was like, oh, is everyone in a dark bar? 0:29:19.040 --> 0:29:21.560 I like this. I guess this will be my new hobby. 0:29:21.800 --> 0:29:26.760 This is my new thing. Yeah, really paid off by gamble. 0:29:27.040 --> 0:29:30.080 I know, it's really crazy to think about though the time. 0:29:30.600 --> 0:29:33.880 But anyways, now we're in the present time. I'm in 0:29:34.120 --> 0:29:44.080 alphabeta at Atlanta, Georgia Alpharetta Alfaretta. It's crazy, but we're starting. 0:29:44.160 --> 0:29:46.760 It sucks crimes. We're back, We're back. So uh oh. 0:29:47.160 --> 0:29:50.280 It's a woman breathing hard, she's getting dressed fast, she's crying. 0:29:50.720 --> 0:29:53.920 It's really shaking. Wild camera work, and she uses a 0:29:53.960 --> 0:29:57.440 cordless phone to call nine one one. She says a 0:29:57.440 --> 0:29:59.800 man broke into her apartment and raped her and they asked, 0:29:59.800 --> 0:30:02.240 you know, in an ambulance and she says no, but 0:30:02.360 --> 0:30:06.760 he does love that. That is a badass moment. And 0:30:06.760 --> 0:30:09.600 then the camera slowly pans to a bloody, unconscious man 0:30:10.120 --> 0:30:12.440 and Benson of course on the scene and she's snapping 0:30:12.480 --> 0:30:16.240 a latex glove on. Immediately there was a leaky skylight 0:30:16.520 --> 0:30:18.600 and she kept telling her landlord, it's not safe, it's 0:30:18.640 --> 0:30:21.120 not safe, and he did nothing about it. And so 0:30:21.160 --> 0:30:23.160 like a guy did climb in through there. But it's like, 0:30:23.200 --> 0:30:25.200 are you spider man, what are you talking about? You're 0:30:25.240 --> 0:30:28.000 climbing from roof to roof looking for a shaky little window. 0:30:28.480 --> 0:30:31.600 It does seem like a wild way to get into 0:30:31.680 --> 0:30:32.160 a home. 0:30:32.560 --> 0:30:35.200 And then like lowering your body into it and dropping 0:30:35.280 --> 0:30:35.960 to the ground. 0:30:36.040 --> 0:30:40.400 Yeah, it's very, very spidy. Yeah, so she says the 0:30:40.440 --> 0:30:42.880 self defense class at the Y was finally put to 0:30:42.920 --> 0:30:46.240 good use. So that's, you know, a shout out for 0:30:46.280 --> 0:30:48.760 the why. And the guy is alive and he's laying 0:30:48.800 --> 0:30:51.920 in a hospital bed and a classically suited Stabler is 0:30:51.960 --> 0:30:55.480 standing over him. He awakes, he's groaning. He goes, oh, 0:30:55.680 --> 0:30:58.480 it feels like somebody put my balls in a wood chipper. 0:30:59.080 --> 0:31:01.240 And he asked, what how, and it's like, oh, well, 0:31:01.280 --> 0:31:03.880 that woman you attacked wasn't as defenseless as you thought 0:31:04.000 --> 0:31:06.920 she would be. And it cuts back to Benson and 0:31:06.960 --> 0:31:09.080 the woman's like, yeah, I was terrified. I woke up. 0:31:09.480 --> 0:31:11.480 He was on top of me and I started screaming, 0:31:12.000 --> 0:31:14.200 and then we cut back to him and he's cuffed 0:31:14.280 --> 0:31:16.840 up and he doesn't get what's happening, and Stabler goes, 0:31:16.840 --> 0:31:19.600 you'll figure it out in five to ten. And Stablor's 0:31:19.640 --> 0:31:22.480 being extra cocky. He's having fun. It's kind of like 0:31:22.480 --> 0:31:24.920 an orca with a seal, you know, just bouncing it 0:31:24.960 --> 0:31:28.200 around until he takes a chomp. Stabler says, what you 0:31:28.200 --> 0:31:33.840 don't remember raping Pam Galliano And he says, I remember that, Okay, 0:31:33.960 --> 0:31:35.959 that's a can feel like what's going on. So then 0:31:36.000 --> 0:31:38.840 it goes back to the woman and you know, Pam 0:31:38.880 --> 0:31:42.120 continues he slapped her and then put his hand over 0:31:42.160 --> 0:31:44.880 her mouth and he said, don't be loud. You don't 0:31:44.880 --> 0:31:48.440 want someone to call the police. And then she remembers, 0:31:48.520 --> 0:31:51.480 you know, from her class ies, throat testicles are always close, 0:31:51.560 --> 0:31:54.560 and that's something to remember ies throat testicles. Eyed. Is 0:31:54.560 --> 0:31:57.680 that a shirt? I throat testicles? That is a shirt 0:31:58.200 --> 0:32:00.520 head shirt? Yeah? Eyes, Yeah, we have a merch in 0:32:00.600 --> 0:32:10.080 a while. We're really we're really reaching here throws. And 0:32:10.120 --> 0:32:12.760 now we're back with the dudes and Stabler. You know, 0:32:12.840 --> 0:32:15.440 this guy who's chained up is like, I want her 0:32:15.800 --> 0:32:19.600 arrested for assaulting meat, and that pisses Stabler off and 0:32:19.640 --> 0:32:23.000 he leers and goes, are you kidding me? You fucking rapist? 0:32:23.400 --> 0:32:25.640 And he goes, she wanted me to and then it 0:32:25.680 --> 0:32:28.000 does the classic where it keeps going back and forth. 0:32:28.040 --> 0:32:30.480 So then she's with Benson going I hit him with 0:32:30.520 --> 0:32:32.920 the lamp and he goes, oh, yeah, baby, fight me, 0:32:33.120 --> 0:32:36.080 but like, fight me, bitch, that's so hot, and then 0:32:36.680 --> 0:32:38.640 he like brought her to the ground and she saw 0:32:38.680 --> 0:32:41.320 a dumbbell under her bed, and so she pulled that 0:32:41.440 --> 0:32:44.120 and hit him in his head. And Stabler is with 0:32:44.240 --> 0:32:47.000 the dude and is like, bro, you broke in and 0:32:47.080 --> 0:32:50.080 forced her, and he screams, no, I met her on 0:32:50.120 --> 0:32:53.800 a fantasy rape site. She sent me detailed instructions on 0:32:53.880 --> 0:32:57.040 what to do, and he screams, she wanted me to 0:32:57.200 --> 0:33:00.920 rape her. Credits, but that makes ends with the skylight, 0:33:01.040 --> 0:33:03.640 like you probably knew it was shaky from whatever you 0:33:03.680 --> 0:33:08.560 know plan they did. Yeah, because I understand, like, oh, 0:33:08.600 --> 0:33:10.720 I'm gonna see what doors are locked or buzz into 0:33:10.760 --> 0:33:13.560 whatever building, but like to climb onto the ceiling. It's 0:33:13.600 --> 0:33:16.480 like so crazy, But we're in credits obviously this guy 0:33:17.000 --> 0:33:21.360 says she wanted it classic defense. So it's a mighty 0:33:21.400 --> 0:33:24.480 and I could say the end credits, it's like such 0:33:24.560 --> 0:33:30.920 a mighty group. Beady, Melinda, Stabler, Benson, Kragan, Munch and 0:33:30.960 --> 0:33:35.240 Finn and then gray Lick gray Lick, I forgot her name. 0:33:35.280 --> 0:33:38.480 I wrote, Is that an objection you're raising? I didn't 0:33:38.480 --> 0:33:41.040 even good moment, like that's what we should just call her. 0:33:41.120 --> 0:33:43.200 It's like her only good moment. I don't think that's 0:33:43.240 --> 0:33:46.560 an objection you're raising. With the boner guy, I don't 0:33:46.560 --> 0:33:50.200 even think we see her in this episode. No, no, 0:33:50.440 --> 0:33:54.600 but she's But anyways, it's a very powerful photo and 0:33:54.640 --> 0:33:56.680 I will bring up people sent it a bunch to us, 0:33:56.720 --> 0:33:58.880 But you saw that woman talking about how like she 0:33:59.000 --> 0:34:05.680 found like someone talking about the top five Sview characters. Yeah, yes, 0:34:05.800 --> 0:34:09.399 did you want that? And it was insane and she goes, 0:34:09.520 --> 0:34:12.200 oh bad, and she goes, okay, yeah, for sure, for sure, 0:34:12.239 --> 0:34:14.319 and then it's Melinda. She goes, of course, you get 0:34:14.360 --> 0:34:18.120 my Melinda in the top five. Benson's at three, and 0:34:18.160 --> 0:34:22.000 then it was Cabot and then Novak, who we love. 0:34:22.200 --> 0:34:26.000 But it's like, not even Stablers in the top five, Like, 0:34:26.120 --> 0:34:29.200 what are you talking about? And I think Munch would 0:34:29.200 --> 0:34:31.239 be in my top five. Munch is definitely in my 0:34:31.280 --> 0:34:34.040 top five. He's actually because to me, if we're talking 0:34:34.080 --> 0:34:37.319 top you know tops, it's like Benson, it's kind of 0:34:37.320 --> 0:34:39.120 a given, Like you don't have to bring up Benson. 0:34:39.239 --> 0:34:44.520 It's like she's just the show. But Munch is definitely 0:34:44.680 --> 0:34:50.160 my Yeah, what are you talking about? But and I 0:34:50.239 --> 0:34:53.120 get to have Cabot or Novak, but for Novak to 0:34:53.160 --> 0:34:57.640 be the number one character of Sview history is just 0:34:57.680 --> 0:34:59.960 inappropriate even though we love her. 0:35:00.640 --> 0:35:07.040 Wait, that is crazy that gray Lick is in the credits. 0:35:07.080 --> 0:35:09.520 But this is a cabin episode. I think gray Lick's 0:35:09.560 --> 0:35:10.400 gone by now. 0:35:10.719 --> 0:35:12.600 Oh that's so funny. So they kicked her out but 0:35:12.760 --> 0:35:14.759 they kept her in the credit. Yeah, I think she 0:35:14.800 --> 0:35:17.400 was episode twenty one. I think she leaves earlier in 0:35:17.440 --> 0:35:22.359 the season. Oh my god, amazing, amazing. So we're back. 0:35:22.480 --> 0:35:24.239 I just that list. I don't even know who made 0:35:24.239 --> 0:35:26.520 that list, was just like a random person or a magazine, 0:35:26.520 --> 0:35:28.200 like I don't know, but that woman was very funny 0:35:28.239 --> 0:35:30.719 on the TikTok. So thanks everyone that sent it to us. 0:35:31.400 --> 0:35:33.879 And Pam said, okay, So then now we're talking to Pam. 0:35:33.880 --> 0:35:37.040 We're back from this like magical credits moment, and Pam 0:35:37.160 --> 0:35:39.160 is like, that is not my screen name. That's not me, 0:35:39.400 --> 0:35:42.960 and Benson goes, no, no, I believe you do not get it, 0:35:42.960 --> 0:35:45.640 twisted girl, But we got to figure this out. Benson goes, 0:35:45.680 --> 0:35:47.919 this dude had your address and she's like, I didn't 0:35:47.920 --> 0:35:51.040 even know there were rape fantasy sites. So they're gonna 0:35:51.080 --> 0:35:52.879 check all the computers and she's like, well, you won't 0:35:52.880 --> 0:35:56.319 find anything online. And then stablers with a tech with 0:35:56.400 --> 0:35:59.799 a sexy haircut in frames and her name is Linda 0:35:59.840 --> 0:36:03.000 part the actress. Her name on the show is Taru Tech. 0:36:03.400 --> 0:36:05.800 But she's in twenty six episodes of BOSH, so I 0:36:05.800 --> 0:36:08.480 don't know if you remember her, but she's working. She's 0:36:08.520 --> 0:36:11.120 out there. But she was only a Tararu Tech once 0:36:12.000 --> 0:36:14.839 and okay, no name, no name in this. So then 0:36:14.920 --> 0:36:18.520 Stabler's like anyone else able to use this computer? And 0:36:18.640 --> 0:36:21.360 she goes, no why and Stabler waves are over and 0:36:21.400 --> 0:36:23.120 it's a bunch of naked photos of her and she goes, 0:36:23.160 --> 0:36:24.960 this is fake. This is fake, and she leaps at 0:36:24.960 --> 0:36:27.360 the keyboard and the tech is like, back off, bitch, 0:36:27.440 --> 0:36:30.480 this is evidence. And there's just like all this porn 0:36:30.760 --> 0:36:34.320 child abuse images, all these naked photos of her and videos, 0:36:34.360 --> 0:36:37.240 and so it's like it's really wild, and both parties 0:36:37.280 --> 0:36:39.719 are sticking to their story and Finn is leading the 0:36:39.760 --> 0:36:43.640 all hands on deck meeting at the precinct. Munch thinks 0:36:43.719 --> 0:36:48.440 Owen is suspicious because he does troll rape fantasy websites often, 0:36:49.040 --> 0:36:50.879 and is this something to discuss? Is this what you're 0:36:50.880 --> 0:36:56.000 talking about in the true crime Like is this good? Okay, yeah, 0:36:56.080 --> 0:36:58.719 I am clearly a rapist, but. 0:37:00.280 --> 0:37:03.000 I'm gonna talk about it a bit, Yes, And also, 0:37:03.960 --> 0:37:09.080 Linda Park in Bosh plays Lance Reddick's second wife, so 0:37:09.239 --> 0:37:13.200 his first wife is Jeffrey's aka Michelle Hurd. She was 0:37:13.280 --> 0:37:16.520 recast with another wife as the same wife. They get 0:37:16.560 --> 0:37:19.000 divorced and he's with Linda Park. She's wonderful, she's a 0:37:19.000 --> 0:37:20.840 great actor. She's in a lot of stuff. Anyway, just 0:37:20.880 --> 0:37:22.080 a little side note. I didn't want to know what 0:37:22.160 --> 0:37:22.319 to think. 0:37:22.360 --> 0:37:28.200 I was dropping my BOSH responsibilities and this fucking podcast. 0:37:28.800 --> 0:37:33.520 I know Jesus christ is Bosh coming forgot. If you 0:37:33.640 --> 0:37:36.920 guys know him email, I got his personal email. If 0:37:36.960 --> 0:37:39.319 you know him, please let him know that we are 0:37:39.920 --> 0:37:42.960 not doing his episode without him, and he better fucking 0:37:43.000 --> 0:37:45.759 get to it. We have a lot of questions, but 0:37:45.840 --> 0:37:51.200 I was gonna say, they've done so many episodes now 0:37:51.760 --> 0:37:56.360 about sort of this, Like it's really hard because I 0:37:56.400 --> 0:37:58.560 don't think there's a name for it. Like what is 0:37:58.600 --> 0:38:03.040 it called when you like sort of catfish someone into 0:38:03.080 --> 0:38:06.080 a rape scenario, you know what I mean? Like there was. 0:38:06.040 --> 0:38:09.480 Something called like, oh god, I was looking it up 0:38:09.520 --> 0:38:13.239 last sear well intent yes, but that was like, yes, 0:38:13.360 --> 0:38:18.000 that was it, but that wasn't necessarily like a rape. 0:38:18.000 --> 0:38:21.040 It was like he didn't know like, that's the same thing. 0:38:22.000 --> 0:38:24.720 Nobody thought she wanted a rape fantasy and they. 0:38:24.560 --> 0:38:27.319 Were both getting double catfished, right, It wasn't like one 0:38:27.320 --> 0:38:29.080 person was totally out of it. 0:38:29.000 --> 0:38:32.160 Like I think they were. Yeah, it is similar. It 0:38:32.280 --> 0:38:33.560 intent is totally similar. 0:38:33.840 --> 0:38:37.160 And then it's basically what happened in that second episode 0:38:37.200 --> 0:38:40.960 that Amy Landecker did where actually actually her third episode 0:38:41.200 --> 0:38:43.160 where she just came back in the most recent season 0:38:43.239 --> 0:38:46.200 where her husband set her up to be attacked, but 0:38:46.320 --> 0:38:47.359 that was based. 0:38:47.040 --> 0:38:50.720 On the Frenchwoman and then this one. 0:38:52.080 --> 0:38:54.720 I'll get into it later, but it's like I because 0:38:54.719 --> 0:38:59.360 there's rape by proxy, where an attacker makes another person 0:38:59.400 --> 0:39:02.400 attack someone, but that's kind of like the episode that 0:39:02.440 --> 0:39:06.560 we did where somebody called and said, I'm from the FBI, 0:39:06.760 --> 0:39:08.960 take that girl's clothes off. Do this start like oh 0:39:09.000 --> 0:39:12.919 the Robin Williams. Yes, that's like authority. That's like make 0:39:13.080 --> 0:39:15.279 rape by proxies a little bit different. I cannot find 0:39:15.280 --> 0:39:18.720 a name of what it is when you like set 0:39:18.840 --> 0:39:22.560 someone up to be raped, to be raped like a 0:39:22.680 --> 0:39:24.480 in a catfishing type scenario. 0:39:24.560 --> 0:39:28.799 That's one sided. But yeah, I'm also fine with it 0:39:28.880 --> 0:39:31.640 being someone's fantasy of wanting to be attacked in like 0:39:31.680 --> 0:39:35.640 a controlled way. I don't like someone trolling to do 0:39:35.800 --> 0:39:40.480 fake rape, like I don't like that. Yes, well we'll 0:39:40.480 --> 0:39:44.120 get into this more. Also when I but, yeah, all right, 0:39:44.160 --> 0:39:45.840 I assumed you were going to get into it. But 0:39:45.880 --> 0:39:50.040 obviously I have so many questions discussion. I mean, yeah, 0:39:50.120 --> 0:39:53.160 I have a lot of thoughts and but no thoughts 0:39:53.200 --> 0:39:56.840 at all. Truly, I'm uttering here. I have no thoughts. 0:39:56.880 --> 0:39:59.399 I'd like to be told what to think. Please tell 0:39:59.440 --> 0:40:01.879 me what's the thing. And while Finn is about to say, 0:40:01.920 --> 0:40:04.399 she denies it. But her computer has tons of all 0:40:04.520 --> 0:40:07.279 you know this stuff. So the tech runs in right 0:40:07.320 --> 0:40:11.520 as they're discussing, like the victim's computer, And so Linda 0:40:11.560 --> 0:40:15.239 Park runs in and she goes the computer lied. She 0:40:15.360 --> 0:40:18.440 found a trojan horse, which is a cyber back door, 0:40:18.800 --> 0:40:20.880 and she doesn't think it's Owen because he did not 0:40:21.000 --> 0:40:24.040 have any spyware on his computer. So what do we 0:40:24.120 --> 0:40:26.520 do now. Craigan's like, you know, rape is rape, so 0:40:26.640 --> 0:40:29.040 fuck Owen. Arrest him. And Munch's like, but it's a 0:40:29.040 --> 0:40:32.880 fantasy community. There's different lingo and rules. But also, if 0:40:32.880 --> 0:40:34.799 it's not this guy Owen, we need to find the 0:40:34.800 --> 0:40:37.880 mastermind who set her up to be raped. Benson and 0:40:37.920 --> 0:40:41.000 Stabler are with Pam at the park and I paused 0:40:41.040 --> 0:40:43.560 it to type and there's just like a yellow lab 0:40:43.760 --> 0:40:45.600 in a cage at the bottom right of the shot, 0:40:45.640 --> 0:40:47.840 and he looks pissed to be in there, but like 0:40:48.000 --> 0:40:51.240 so cute because it's the dog. And I'm like, okay, 0:40:51.320 --> 0:40:54.800 I guess there's a cage dog. And then the victim 0:40:55.040 --> 0:40:57.600 is in a classic, you know, trench and she says 0:40:57.640 --> 0:41:01.600 it must have been my crazy ex Tighl Brunson two 0:41:01.719 --> 0:41:03.680 years ago they broke up. And then now we see 0:41:03.719 --> 0:41:05.800 a lot of cages with dogs and it's an adoption 0:41:05.880 --> 0:41:09.840 event and she wants to adopt a dog for protection. 0:41:10.360 --> 0:41:13.040 And she's like, is this one ferocious enough? And it's 0:41:13.080 --> 0:41:18.160 truly a beagle. It's like it's like a chunky beagle. Yeah, 0:41:18.239 --> 0:41:20.880 she goes, is this one gonna protect me? But Benson, 0:41:21.600 --> 0:41:25.120 I actually learned something here, Benson says, most people are 0:41:25.160 --> 0:41:27.960 scared just by the bark. You don't need like a 0:41:29.000 --> 0:41:34.520 dog bite. Yeah, yeah, but but it's just like the 0:41:34.680 --> 0:41:38.480 floppy eared little guy. She's like, well, this protect me. 0:41:39.719 --> 0:41:43.560 So after he like after she dumped him, this guy 0:41:44.000 --> 0:41:46.200 he would email her text her twenty four to seven, 0:41:46.280 --> 0:41:48.120 she changed her number. He would get the new one, 0:41:48.120 --> 0:41:49.840 he would show up at her house, at her job. 0:41:50.120 --> 0:41:52.000 And then after a year and a half of stocking, 0:41:52.160 --> 0:41:55.240 she decided to leave Rhode Island and she left her friends, 0:41:55.239 --> 0:41:58.400 a good job, family, like fucking everything. And she is 0:41:58.480 --> 0:42:01.239 really upset. She's like, he fucking trucked me down. I 0:42:01.280 --> 0:42:04.080 can't afford to move again. She's spinning out, you know, 0:42:04.200 --> 0:42:07.200 is he here? And Benson says, don't worry, we'll find him. 0:42:07.400 --> 0:42:10.400 So Benson's back with Stabler and you know, everyone at 0:42:10.440 --> 0:42:13.279 the precinct and she's like, you know, this guy's an 0:42:13.360 --> 0:42:18.520 S for you, trifecta, stalking child porn, orchestrating a rape? 0:42:18.800 --> 0:42:24.399 Is that a merch? I don't know, S for you trifecta. 0:42:25.600 --> 0:42:28.000 And then for orchestrating a rape, we can turn one 0:42:28.000 --> 0:42:32.720 of the letters into like an orchestra instrument, oh a little, 0:42:33.800 --> 0:42:36.960 just some fun. You can't even fake it. Maybe the 0:42:37.040 --> 0:42:40.719 A can be a triangle? Yeah, I don't know. So 0:42:40.760 --> 0:42:42.440 they have to figure out, like, is it the X? 0:42:42.560 --> 0:42:44.960 Is it? Tyler? And Munch goes ding ding ding. He 0:42:45.160 --> 0:42:47.759 is here and we see him on the screen and 0:42:47.840 --> 0:42:51.960 it's an id, and it says Tyler Brunson, Rhode Island, 0:42:52.080 --> 0:42:55.280 but that's only three hours away. And then Munch is like, listen, 0:42:55.360 --> 0:42:57.399 I checked in with conn Edison. This dude just got 0:42:57.400 --> 0:43:00.479 his electricity turned on and his new digs in New York. 0:43:01.000 --> 0:43:03.400 And if you looked at this man's face and went wait, 0:43:03.840 --> 0:43:05.799 was he also in a sex in the city, you 0:43:05.880 --> 0:43:09.640 were right. He goes on a date with Charlotte when 0:43:09.680 --> 0:43:13.440 she decides to double like a double book, so she 0:43:13.480 --> 0:43:15.880 has an early dinner and a late dinner. He brings 0:43:15.880 --> 0:43:19.040 her the soup. He goes, well, you got the night shift. 0:43:19.120 --> 0:43:22.359 I brought you a soup. So that's him. So we're 0:43:22.360 --> 0:43:25.080 gonna see more of him, obviously. So the apartment where 0:43:25.120 --> 0:43:27.359 the connet is turned on right across the street from her, 0:43:27.719 --> 0:43:29.920 right across the street from Pam. But they still need 0:43:30.000 --> 0:43:32.919 a warrant and Benson's like, yeah, Cabit's on it. I'm 0:43:32.920 --> 0:43:35.920 gonna give Pam a heads up though, and she's so stressed. 0:43:35.920 --> 0:43:38.520 Her savings is gone, and Benson goes, we are going 0:43:38.560 --> 0:43:40.480 to get him, and she goes, no, you don't understand. 0:43:40.840 --> 0:43:44.320 Just getting a restraining order on him was so fucking hard, 0:43:44.640 --> 0:43:46.480 and she's like, I wish she would fucking hit me, 0:43:46.520 --> 0:43:49.320 because Benson goes, did he he's ever been physically abusive? 0:43:49.360 --> 0:43:51.960 She goes, I fucking wish it'd be easier to like 0:43:52.080 --> 0:43:55.080 get the courts or anyone. I mean, And that's like 0:43:55.120 --> 0:43:57.480 a fucked up society in world where you would rather 0:43:57.560 --> 0:44:01.200 someone hit you so someone will help you. I like 0:44:01.400 --> 0:44:04.520 hate it, okay, So anyways, she goes, yeah, I don't 0:44:04.560 --> 0:44:07.040 know what his problem is. He has daddy issues, control issues, 0:44:07.080 --> 0:44:10.360 abandonment issues, anger issues, it's everything. And every time he 0:44:10.400 --> 0:44:12.560 broke the order he was able to convince the judge 0:44:12.600 --> 0:44:15.160 it was a coincidence. And Benson keeps trying to make 0:44:15.160 --> 0:44:17.799 her feel optimistic, and she's like, shut up, he is 0:44:17.880 --> 0:44:20.360 never gonna leave me alone. And she did take the 0:44:20.400 --> 0:44:22.520 cute dog, so the cute dog is with her from 0:44:22.520 --> 0:44:25.200 the park adoption of ends, so that's really exciting. And 0:44:25.239 --> 0:44:28.040 Benson asks if the Rhode Island restraining order is still 0:44:28.080 --> 0:44:29.560 in effect, but she goes, I don't know, because I'm 0:44:29.560 --> 0:44:31.799 supposed to give them my address if I move, and 0:44:31.880 --> 0:44:34.239 I didn't do that. And that's what's crazy, because it's 0:44:34.239 --> 0:44:38.960 like your soccer needs to know where your new address. 0:44:39.000 --> 0:44:43.000 So then they don't come close to your address. What like, 0:44:43.160 --> 0:44:47.080 how is that? Okay, they've done that in other episodes. 0:44:47.120 --> 0:44:49.600 They're like, they have to know where you live so 0:44:49.640 --> 0:44:51.000 that they can stay away from it. 0:44:51.440 --> 0:44:57.880 Yeah, I'm telling you Castration needs to be back in 0:44:57.920 --> 0:45:01.640 the in the vibe, back in Stalking Castration. I bet 0:45:01.640 --> 0:45:04.320 people would behave I mean, I don't know, maybe obviously 0:45:04.360 --> 0:45:06.800 not Like the death penalty doesn't stop people from committing 0:45:06.800 --> 0:45:09.520 cris not a deterrent. Not a deterreent. That's the way. Okay. 0:45:09.960 --> 0:45:12.520 So then Benson says, we'll get you another one here. 0:45:12.920 --> 0:45:16.040 So Cabot is knocking on like a judge's chambers, and 0:45:16.080 --> 0:45:18.960 then like the judge Coohler, this other judge comes coming 0:45:19.000 --> 0:45:20.880 down the marble steps of the courthouse and he's like, 0:45:20.920 --> 0:45:24.080 what's up, babe, And he goes, I have fifteen minute recess. 0:45:24.080 --> 0:45:26.160 I'm happy to help if you need something, and she 0:45:26.360 --> 0:45:29.040 and then he asks what are you doing on Saturday? 0:45:29.400 --> 0:45:32.640 I ran a civics class at a juvenile detention center 0:45:32.920 --> 0:45:35.319 and we need a guest speaker. And she goes, absolutely, 0:45:35.440 --> 0:45:37.680 I'll be there Saturday. Can you sign this warrant? And 0:45:37.719 --> 0:45:41.080 he goes no. He goes that's illegal, like we can't 0:45:41.080 --> 0:45:43.400 do quid pro quo like shit like that. So we 0:45:43.480 --> 0:45:46.120 tricked her into agreeing to speak and now refuses to 0:45:46.120 --> 0:45:49.120 sign the thing, and Cabot's pleading and talks about Pam's 0:45:49.120 --> 0:45:52.840 safety and well being, and we find out in this 0:45:52.920 --> 0:45:55.480 conversation that he has a son that was murdered thirty 0:45:55.560 --> 0:46:01.040 years ago. So that's sad. And what also, I think 0:46:01.040 --> 0:46:06.040 that Cabot was looking for a different judge. She was yeah, right, okay, yeah, 0:46:06.080 --> 0:46:08.480 she was like at a door of some other guy 0:46:08.480 --> 0:46:11.000 and this guy just like walked down the stairs. Yeah. 0:46:11.080 --> 0:46:13.799 So then he can't require him to move, but he'll 0:46:13.800 --> 0:46:16.920 allow a temporary order of protection, which she has the 0:46:17.040 --> 0:46:19.840 right to appeal. And then he says see Saturday and 0:46:19.880 --> 0:46:22.000 walks off. So we get to this guy's house and 0:46:22.000 --> 0:46:23.880 Stable gives him the paper in his apartment and he 0:46:23.960 --> 0:46:27.360 acts stupid like no freaking idea, like, oh my god, 0:46:27.520 --> 0:46:30.720 Pam lives here, and Siburr goes, we know you're a freak, 0:46:30.840 --> 0:46:33.640 so please stop whatever you're doing. So and he's like, 0:46:33.719 --> 0:46:36.600 I don't know what Pam is saying, but I dumped her, 0:46:37.239 --> 0:46:38.680 and Finn goes, okay, then why does she have a 0:46:38.800 --> 0:46:41.560 restraining order, and he says, well, she couldn't take the 0:46:41.600 --> 0:46:44.680 rejection and it's revenge, and I didn't move for her. 0:46:44.719 --> 0:46:46.960 I followed a big job. I have a contract at 0:46:46.960 --> 0:46:49.759 the DoD. I do computer training and that's you know, 0:46:49.800 --> 0:46:53.319 Department of Defense. And it's revenge. Though she arranged for 0:46:53.400 --> 0:46:55.560 her own attack and to go to the hospital and 0:46:55.560 --> 0:46:57.840 get a rape kit and buy a dog and it 0:46:57.920 --> 0:47:01.239 was all for revenge. Yeah, undred percent. This is what 0:47:01.280 --> 0:47:09.200 women do. They're crazy, like so many of our like 0:47:09.800 --> 0:47:12.640 the way we view things is through such a fucked 0:47:12.719 --> 0:47:15.640 up lens, but we accept it. It's like none of 0:47:15.680 --> 0:47:18.000 it makes sense. She's doing it for attention, and it's like, 0:47:18.160 --> 0:47:22.080 how did this become like an actual thing that is used? 0:47:22.120 --> 0:47:24.880 Like that's what's so shocking to me. There's you know, 0:47:25.040 --> 0:47:27.799 men like to claim that they're so logical, but it's like, 0:47:27.920 --> 0:47:30.799 I don't know, none of these things are logical that 0:47:30.920 --> 0:47:35.160 you guys are claiming. Stabler is not buying any of this, obviously, 0:47:36.200 --> 0:47:38.799 but you know, stranger things have happened. Okay, So then 0:47:39.239 --> 0:47:41.440 they asked to see his computer. He goes for sure, 0:47:41.960 --> 0:47:43.960 but Finn notices his computer as a label that says 0:47:44.040 --> 0:47:46.439 unclassified and he has a classified one, so like, we're 0:47:46.440 --> 0:47:48.040 gonna need that one too, but he goes, no, I 0:47:48.040 --> 0:47:50.160 have top secret clearance and I know you guys, don't 0:47:50.239 --> 0:47:52.919 so stop, and Finn goes, yeah, we'll get it, don't 0:47:52.920 --> 0:47:56.640 you worry, and we'll see what's gonna happen. And then 0:47:56.719 --> 0:47:59.040 Tyler like walks over to the window and goes, wow, 0:47:59.120 --> 0:48:02.200 so she's on the third floor, freaky, you had to 0:48:02.200 --> 0:48:06.600 tell her the floor like, I don't understand why. Stabler 0:48:06.640 --> 0:48:08.919 gets in his face super close and says, I don't 0:48:08.920 --> 0:48:10.799 know what's going on here, but you need to get 0:48:10.840 --> 0:48:13.360 some help and move on and follow the order and 0:48:13.400 --> 0:48:16.080 don't bother her again. Munch is popping off on the 0:48:16.120 --> 0:48:18.799 phone back at home base, and he goes, fine, ah, 0:48:18.800 --> 0:48:22.239 I have my superiors call your superiors and bad news, guys, 0:48:22.280 --> 0:48:25.640 This DoD job is legit. And the computer doesn't leave 0:48:25.680 --> 0:48:28.120 the department and like we can't get into it. Benson 0:48:28.160 --> 0:48:30.400 answers her phone and we hear her ask what the 0:48:30.480 --> 0:48:34.360 name of the hospital is and its Tribeca Emergency Animal Hospital. 0:48:34.400 --> 0:48:36.920 Oh my god. Benson and Stabler are on the scene. 0:48:37.000 --> 0:48:40.000 What happened Basically, she ran home on her lunch break 0:48:40.040 --> 0:48:42.480 to walk the dog. She ran right into him. He 0:48:42.560 --> 0:48:45.800 tried hugging her, and she tried walking away. He grabbed 0:48:45.840 --> 0:48:49.000 her throat and said, don't you dare ignore me. If 0:48:49.000 --> 0:48:52.719 you think rape is bad, you haven't seen anything. She 0:48:52.880 --> 0:48:55.719 tried to scream, but he was squeezing too tight, and 0:48:55.760 --> 0:48:58.040 then the dog did do what she wanted. Like the 0:48:58.080 --> 0:49:01.120 dog kept barking and barking, and then Tyler's pant leg 0:49:01.200 --> 0:49:03.840 and did not let go until he let go of Pam, 0:49:04.680 --> 0:49:06.719 and he broke three ribs of the dog, but he 0:49:06.719 --> 0:49:09.960 wouldn't let go no matter how hard. Tyler kicked this dog. 0:49:10.120 --> 0:49:13.840 So she picked the right dog, and but poor baby 0:49:13.880 --> 0:49:17.080 has some broken ribs. So we're obviously in cement room bars. 0:49:17.640 --> 0:49:20.799 Stabler's playing with his watch to assert dominance because both 0:49:20.840 --> 0:49:23.040 of his shirt sleeves are already folded up, but he 0:49:23.120 --> 0:49:27.879 has to like force casualness, and he goes, what didn't 0:49:27.880 --> 0:49:30.759 you understand? And Benson's sitting there as well, and he's 0:49:30.800 --> 0:49:34.879 like so mad about the bite marks, and like it's 0:49:34.960 --> 0:49:37.319 crazy that both him and Owen, like all these men 0:49:37.400 --> 0:49:40.200 need more attention for their physical injuries than the woman 0:49:40.239 --> 0:49:42.880 that is fully being attacked you know, yeah, and he 0:49:42.920 --> 0:49:46.000 cries about rabies and Benson goes, oh, I don't think 0:49:46.000 --> 0:49:48.440 you gave the dog Rabi's don't worry haha. 0:49:49.400 --> 0:49:52.239 It's also like hilarious that with all of Stabler's experience, 0:49:52.320 --> 0:49:54.759 he's like, if I just tell this guy to move 0:49:54.760 --> 0:49:56.879 on and leave this girl alone, he'll do it. 0:49:57.000 --> 0:49:58.720 Like that's not how psychomen are. 0:49:58.760 --> 0:50:01.080 They keep doing it until they kill her, Like that's 0:50:01.120 --> 0:50:03.200 how it is, Like, Oh, I just gave him a 0:50:03.200 --> 0:50:04.600 stern talking to you and told him it was time 0:50:04.640 --> 0:50:06.120 to move on from Pam. 0:50:05.960 --> 0:50:09.000 And it worked. It has happened never on this show. 0:50:09.560 --> 0:50:12.320 And then but then Tyler goes, I was defending myself 0:50:12.360 --> 0:50:15.239 from both of those bitches. And Stabler is like, oh, 0:50:15.239 --> 0:50:17.160 so she's a bitch because you ran into her on 0:50:17.200 --> 0:50:20.000 a sidewalk and lost it. And he says, I don't 0:50:20.000 --> 0:50:22.839 lose control, and he's like wagging his head around, he's 0:50:22.880 --> 0:50:25.400 putting his foot on the table. He's very animated, and 0:50:25.440 --> 0:50:28.360 he's acting a fool, and Benson goes, no, you have 0:50:28.400 --> 0:50:32.400 a lot of problems with control. Your former employer, Immersed Enterprises, 0:50:32.520 --> 0:50:34.520 wasn't going to renew your contract a few years back, 0:50:34.800 --> 0:50:37.200 so you had a slip and fall one like a 0:50:37.239 --> 0:50:41.279 big workers comp settlement, But like, I don't know why 0:50:41.320 --> 0:50:44.120 that like proves anything, like fuck corporations get money. I 0:50:44.120 --> 0:50:46.600 don't care, like if you were injured. I just think 0:50:47.000 --> 0:50:50.200 Benson lost us here for me at least. But she 0:50:50.280 --> 0:50:52.040 does have a good point, like you go nuts anytime 0:50:52.080 --> 0:50:54.359 someone rejects you, and that is her point. She goes, 0:50:54.400 --> 0:50:57.560 you need payback, and Stabler's like, you took that photo 0:50:57.600 --> 0:51:00.640 of Pam photoshopped it to be nude because we had 0:51:00.640 --> 0:51:03.719 it enhanced and Pam recognized your bedroom and we sent 0:51:03.800 --> 0:51:07.520 it to the Providence PD to verify. And he's starting 0:51:07.560 --> 0:51:09.760 to look nervous in the face and a little craze 0:51:10.120 --> 0:51:12.960 and then tense music plays and Cabot and Craigan are 0:51:13.000 --> 0:51:14.799 spying and she's like, hey, you didn't tell me we 0:51:14.880 --> 0:51:17.200 have something off the enhancement, and Craigan goes, we don't. 0:51:17.920 --> 0:51:21.120 Then he finally like kind of caves and says, she 0:51:21.239 --> 0:51:23.920 conned me into believing that she loved me. I was 0:51:23.960 --> 0:51:26.640 going to marry her. Well this time I'm done. I 0:51:26.800 --> 0:51:29.759 swear we're even now, and Cabin goes not by a 0:51:29.800 --> 0:51:33.000 long shot. Buddy and Craigan goes, I love the dumb ones. 0:51:33.239 --> 0:51:35.239 And so now we're back with the judge and it's 0:51:35.239 --> 0:51:39.839 Cabot and Hashi Horowitz and they're arguing and so like 0:51:40.320 --> 0:51:42.960 it's but police are allowed to lie. But he wants 0:51:42.960 --> 0:51:45.480 the confession thrown out. You know, it's all the stuff, 0:51:45.640 --> 0:51:49.160 the same stuff, and Cabot has under eyeliner and I 0:51:49.200 --> 0:51:52.520 love it, YadA YadA. They're fighting, throw it out, keep 0:51:52.560 --> 0:51:55.239 it in. And so now we're going to actually do 0:51:55.280 --> 0:51:57.640 the huntly hearing and it is granted, and it's to 0:51:57.680 --> 0:52:00.000 see if the questioning was legit and should be left 0:52:00.080 --> 0:52:03.040 in or not. So we're in court and Stabler's on 0:52:03.040 --> 0:52:05.640 the stand for this hearing and haw, she's like, my 0:52:05.719 --> 0:52:08.600 client asks for medical attention, yes, and Stanborg goes yeah 0:52:08.600 --> 0:52:11.480 for the scratch on his leg l ol, and haw, 0:52:11.520 --> 0:52:14.279 she's overdoing it about the wound and now they should 0:52:14.320 --> 0:52:17.000 have helped him, and Stabler goes, his pants were ripped. 0:52:17.040 --> 0:52:19.440 Should I have gotten him a tailor as well. The 0:52:19.520 --> 0:52:21.920 judge doesn't like it and he goes save the jokes 0:52:21.960 --> 0:52:27.880 for open Mic Night. Okay, relatable, uh cav It's like 0:52:27.920 --> 0:52:31.040 the defendant never got help for his wound ever, so 0:52:31.120 --> 0:52:33.879 why is this being brought up now? You know there's 0:52:33.920 --> 0:52:36.920 been like no treatment of this even after bail. So 0:52:37.440 --> 0:52:40.080 he's so injured the cops should have gotten him medical 0:52:40.080 --> 0:52:44.000 attention that he's never once since gotten help for he 0:52:44.040 --> 0:52:46.440 did not go to the doctor. The judge is addressing 0:52:46.480 --> 0:52:48.359 him and asks if he got medical care, and he's 0:52:48.400 --> 0:52:51.600 acting like a powdy child arms crossed adult bowl Cut 0:52:52.680 --> 0:52:55.640 and he says he has no intention in participating in 0:52:55.680 --> 0:52:59.439 this travesty, and the judge goes, well, that's a shame 0:52:59.480 --> 0:53:02.000 because in this country, well not anymore, but you had 0:53:02.040 --> 0:53:06.160 a presumption of innocence guaranteed, And the lawyer says, don't worry, 0:53:06.160 --> 0:53:09.160 I'm moving on anyways. So then Hash's talking to Stabler 0:53:09.160 --> 0:53:11.760 and goes, did you say that, like this guy's wasted 0:53:11.960 --> 0:53:15.040 enough of his life on PAM And he goes, yeah, 0:53:15.040 --> 0:53:17.640 I said that, but like that's not my fault that 0:53:17.680 --> 0:53:20.120 mister Bowlcut thought that that meant not all the charges 0:53:20.120 --> 0:53:24.239 would be dropped. It's like a crazy leap. I just 0:53:24.760 --> 0:53:27.000 Stabler breaks the law all the time and is crazy, 0:53:27.040 --> 0:53:31.040 But in this capacity, Tyler is the one that like misinterpreted. 0:53:31.200 --> 0:53:33.680 I thought what was going on? They just did classic lies, 0:53:34.120 --> 0:53:37.040 but saying you're wasted enough of your life, get over 0:53:37.120 --> 0:53:39.040 it does not mean we're not going to charge you 0:53:39.080 --> 0:53:41.600 for orchestrating a rape against your eggs and breaking a 0:53:41.640 --> 0:53:45.279 restraining order. Tyler stands up. He's obviously not well, and 0:53:45.320 --> 0:53:47.840 he starts grand standing right, and you know it, calls 0:53:47.880 --> 0:53:51.040 the court a joke. Benson sees him running away and 0:53:51.080 --> 0:53:54.160 down the stairs, and finally two uniform cops grab him, 0:53:54.200 --> 0:53:56.920 and we're back in court at the bench. So it's Cabot, 0:53:56.960 --> 0:54:01.320 Hashi and angry boy, and Cabot wants remand since Brunson 0:54:01.440 --> 0:54:05.360 obviously violated his bail agreement and fled the courtroom, and 0:54:05.400 --> 0:54:07.440 the defense is like, oh, come on, he's new to 0:54:07.480 --> 0:54:10.040 the criminal justice system. How is he to know you 0:54:10.080 --> 0:54:12.959 can't run out of court whenever you want mid trial. 0:54:14.680 --> 0:54:18.040 And with all the people screaming stop, stop now, and 0:54:18.080 --> 0:54:20.760 Cabot's like, he has restraining orders and orders of protection, 0:54:20.960 --> 0:54:24.360 like he has criminal activities, so like stop whatever, whatever 0:54:24.400 --> 0:54:25.760 you're trying to do is not working. 0:54:26.120 --> 0:54:28.960 The judge reprimands both lawyers for talking over each other, 0:54:29.080 --> 0:54:31.959 and they apologize, like scold the little children as well, 0:54:32.440 --> 0:54:35.120 and the judge talks and says, obviously, we can't trust 0:54:35.120 --> 0:54:37.800 this man to come back to court on his own volition, 0:54:38.400 --> 0:54:40.960 so I'm revoking the bail and he is gonna be 0:54:41.000 --> 0:54:45.240 held in remand Tyler starts flipping out, screaming I have rights. 0:54:45.320 --> 0:54:48.680 Cabot says, you can have a toothbrush. He screams at him, 0:54:48.719 --> 0:54:51.640 you're a corrupt piece of garbage. And the judge is like, 0:54:51.680 --> 0:54:54.200 go do some soul searching in jail and think about 0:54:54.200 --> 0:54:56.360 how you're gonna, you know, like, how your conduct is 0:54:56.360 --> 0:55:00.480 actually gonna affect the jury. And he responds, considering yours. 0:55:00.960 --> 0:55:03.640 While the bailiff tries to get him away, he says 0:55:03.719 --> 0:55:06.840 a tyrant will always find a pretext for his tyranny. 0:55:07.400 --> 0:55:10.040 I love that quote, and I feel like we're seeing 0:55:10.040 --> 0:55:13.480 it constantly all the time, and not even like tyrant. 0:55:14.160 --> 0:55:16.640 We're living it. But it's not even just the tyrant, 0:55:16.800 --> 0:55:21.319 like the tyrants. Fans are constantly finding pretext for this 0:55:21.400 --> 0:55:24.319 and none of it makes sense. Yeah, you know, it's 0:55:24.400 --> 0:55:27.279 just like such a relevant quote. I'm like very into 0:55:27.320 --> 0:55:29.360 it because it was well, they didn't come here legally, 0:55:29.480 --> 0:55:31.640 and now it's people in courts that are legal, and 0:55:31.680 --> 0:55:34.799 then it's like, oh, well, this and that they'll come 0:55:34.840 --> 0:55:39.920 up with whatever, whatever, they don't care yepugh, So that 0:55:40.040 --> 0:55:43.560 confuses the judge. She says, excuse me, and Tyler is 0:55:43.640 --> 0:55:45.920 yelling like, did Pam pay you to do this? To 0:55:45.960 --> 0:55:49.400 mek So this guy out of his mind. Yeah. Yeah, Pam, 0:55:49.440 --> 0:55:52.040 who doesn't have a savings anymore, paid the courts. Yeah, 0:55:52.040 --> 0:55:56.000 that's what happened. He's deranged, he's getting dragged out and 0:55:56.040 --> 0:56:00.239 he's like, how was the cheap whore? Huh okay, Yeah, 0:56:00.280 --> 0:56:05.680 the judge's fucking Pam. So now at home base, Munch 0:56:05.760 --> 0:56:08.200 asks to leave early and get a jump on traffic 0:56:08.239 --> 0:56:12.440 because he's leaving with his girl for the weekend. I'm shook. 0:56:13.000 --> 0:56:13.879 I am sure. 0:56:13.920 --> 0:56:16.920 Where do we think Munch is going for the weekend? 0:56:17.520 --> 0:56:21.440 Do we think Hampton Poconos? Yep, He's going to the 0:56:21.440 --> 0:56:24.720 Pocono Poconos. But that's such a long drive, Like maybe 0:56:24.719 --> 0:56:30.560 he is just going to the Rockaways, Like where is 0:56:30.560 --> 0:56:31.240 he going to merit? 0:56:31.239 --> 0:56:35.160 Like what? Because he's leaving with his girl? And who 0:56:35.239 --> 0:56:37.839 is this girl? Not his wife, not one of his wife? 0:56:37.880 --> 0:56:40.200 Who is it? Who do you think he's dating? Where 0:56:40.200 --> 0:56:42.160 are they going? Beat? But I don't think he would beach, Like, 0:56:42.239 --> 0:56:45.160 I can't imagine Munch at the beach. Did he when 0:56:45.239 --> 0:56:46.560 is the Carol Caine episode? 0:56:46.680 --> 0:56:49.320 I feel like maybe he reconnected with like that Zebrus 0:56:49.480 --> 0:56:52.040 she got back off her meds sebs. 0:56:52.120 --> 0:56:58.520 Yeah yeah, I'm like so interested. Maybe upstate, maybe one 0:56:58.520 --> 0:57:01.360 of those hippie towns like Beacon or something, or what's 0:57:01.360 --> 0:57:05.360 suck like to you know, she likes the vintage shop, 0:57:05.440 --> 0:57:07.520 and then we'll lead a you know, a farm to 0:57:07.560 --> 0:57:10.640 table born. I just can't imagine him on vacation or 0:57:10.640 --> 0:57:12.800 taking off his shades or his suit, Like, I really 0:57:12.840 --> 0:57:16.640 can't the liberty Zebrasus. The next episode, oh whoa? 0:57:17.200 --> 0:57:19.440 And the next episode he does like run into his 0:57:19.520 --> 0:57:21.160 old girlfriend Gwen. 0:57:22.160 --> 0:57:23.760 Wonder this girlfriends it's funny. 0:57:23.760 --> 0:57:26.440 I wonder if multiple episodes in a row that involved 0:57:26.440 --> 0:57:27.480 Bunch's love life. 0:57:27.560 --> 0:57:29.880 But I wonder if Munch's girlfriend's like, what the fuck 0:57:29.920 --> 0:57:31.760 are you doing with Carol Kane and he's like, it's 0:57:31.800 --> 0:57:35.440 for a case. I'm telling you, she's ill. She slapped 0:57:35.480 --> 0:57:42.080 me today, she's my eggs. I am assassination for him. 0:57:42.320 --> 0:57:44.400 That's actually what they're fucking doing. I bet they're going 0:57:44.400 --> 0:57:48.120 to the Holocaust Museum Info Festival. Or something. Yeah, they're 0:57:48.120 --> 0:57:53.080 gonna go look at military boats. It's like, yeah, all right, 0:57:53.240 --> 0:57:57.960 Craigan hates to stand in the way of young love. No, 0:57:58.040 --> 0:58:00.840 but but he said, we're shorthanded and need you and 0:58:01.400 --> 0:58:03.720 fucking bellser is annoyed. And do you think he already 0:58:03.720 --> 0:58:05.840 booked the hotel? Is he gonna get cashed back? Is 0:58:05.880 --> 0:58:10.280 his girl gonna take a friend? He's gonna work all weekend? Like, 0:58:10.360 --> 0:58:12.040 is he gonna call out to break up? He's about 0:58:12.080 --> 0:58:12.680 to lose the girl. 0:58:12.760 --> 0:58:14.959 I mean like he's like, she if you're not taking 0:58:14.960 --> 0:58:16.400 me to the Poconos, as you said, this is the 0:58:16.480 --> 0:58:17.480 last chance, monk. 0:58:19.640 --> 0:58:21.760 But Benson and Saylor need to be in court and 0:58:21.840 --> 0:58:24.560 so you know, rapes never stop, so we need you 0:58:24.760 --> 0:58:27.680 and Benson. Okay, So then Bunch really wants to go 0:58:27.760 --> 0:58:30.080 on this vacation. So he goes to Benson goes, any 0:58:30.160 --> 0:58:32.439 chance will be a last minute and minute like plead out, 0:58:33.240 --> 0:58:37.120 And Benson looks horrified and goes, well, I hope not, Munch. 0:58:37.880 --> 0:58:41.880 It's but I don't know if he pleads guilty, why not? 0:58:42.240 --> 0:58:45.520 I mean, I don't know, Let Munch fuck is that merch? 0:58:45.880 --> 0:58:50.400 Let munch fuck? Rest in peace, Staylor's on the phone 0:58:50.400 --> 0:58:52.840 while Benson and Munch banter, and he stands up while 0:58:52.880 --> 0:58:55.240 gripping the phone and says, I'll be right over, sir. No, 0:58:55.320 --> 0:58:57.880 not a problem at all. He hangs up, and he's like, 0:58:57.920 --> 0:59:01.120 what do I do now? Judge Kohler, not even his clerk, 0:59:01.200 --> 0:59:03.800 wants me to stop by. So Stabler goes to the 0:59:03.920 --> 0:59:06.360 judge and he's really scared he's in trouble. And the 0:59:06.440 --> 0:59:09.880 judge does confirm that, you know, like, hey, I looked 0:59:09.880 --> 0:59:12.600 at your file after court, and he's like, listen, my 0:59:12.640 --> 0:59:15.040 investigation was clean. And the judge goes, yeah, yeah, no, 0:59:15.160 --> 0:59:17.080 I know, but I've seen you've crossed the line in 0:59:17.120 --> 0:59:20.080 the past a lot. Silba goes, yeah, those are hard situations, 0:59:20.120 --> 0:59:22.080 and I had to make the decisions, and I made them. 0:59:22.400 --> 0:59:24.680 The judge closes the file. He gets up and says, 0:59:24.920 --> 0:59:27.240 when wiser men, I mean, this motherfucker has a quote 0:59:27.280 --> 0:59:30.560 for everything. So this judge goes, when wiser men than 0:59:30.600 --> 0:59:33.320 you or I set up our system of rights and protections. 0:59:33.360 --> 0:59:36.120 They gave them to all men, not just by on 0:59:36.240 --> 0:59:40.360 case by case basis. Okay, Silbia goes, are you trying 0:59:40.360 --> 0:59:42.920 to say a liability to the Brunson trial, Like what 0:59:42.960 --> 0:59:44.840 do you want and he goes, no, no, no, no. Stabler's 0:59:44.880 --> 0:59:47.320 so confused. The judge goes, I'm trying to hire you. 0:59:48.200 --> 0:59:50.320 And then when he hears that, like everyone takes a seat, 0:59:50.320 --> 0:59:52.360 like what is happening? He goes, thirty years ago, my 0:59:52.400 --> 0:59:54.160 wife and I took our three year old son, Marshall 0:59:54.160 --> 0:59:57.120 and a picnic while Shawna was helping me edit my 0:59:57.200 --> 0:59:59.440 law book. The kid went to play with other children 0:59:59.480 --> 1:00:02.800 and we've never seen him again, and he's really upset. 1:00:03.000 --> 1:00:05.880 And Stabler remembers when they caught the killer and judge goes, yeah, 1:00:06.040 --> 1:00:09.680 seven years later, when he was disposing of his twelfth victim. 1:00:10.080 --> 1:00:14.280 My son was his fourth. But like this was before DNA, 1:00:14.720 --> 1:00:17.600 nobody made a pattern, and this guy was a trucker 1:00:17.720 --> 1:00:20.560 and he was just like ready to pop. So once 1:00:20.600 --> 1:00:25.320 he got arrested, this this killer, this pedophile, kid snatching murder, 1:00:25.600 --> 1:00:28.760 he gave tons of details, gruesome details, every depraved act, 1:00:28.800 --> 1:00:33.080 except he never gave up their locations. But every few years, 1:00:33.080 --> 1:00:35.640 one lucky couple would be led to their child's remains 1:00:36.120 --> 1:00:39.440 in exchange for a few creature comforts, the judge says. 1:00:40.120 --> 1:00:42.000 But the judge is still waiting for his turn, and 1:00:42.040 --> 1:00:44.680 he's the last one. And this guy has twelve life 1:00:44.720 --> 1:00:48.800 sentences and so he really hates judges and Stabler size 1:00:48.840 --> 1:00:50.880 and Stabler goes, I'll get it out of him, and 1:00:50.920 --> 1:00:53.200 the judge goes, I'm not asking you to break the 1:00:53.280 --> 1:00:56.840 rule of law. But you know, Stabler's gone. Stabler's ready, 1:00:58.520 --> 1:01:02.480 and this killer is dying Fazima, and like the judge 1:01:02.520 --> 1:01:05.840 just cannot die without burying his son. Okay, so the 1:01:05.880 --> 1:01:08.040 killer's dying of him Phyzima, And then the judges thinking 1:01:08.040 --> 1:01:09.960 about his own mortality and is like, I have to 1:01:10.000 --> 1:01:11.720 bury my son before I die. But I love how 1:01:11.760 --> 1:01:14.680 the judge goes, you know, the Constitution was created for 1:01:14.800 --> 1:01:17.200 all men. Everybody has to act the same. But I 1:01:17.240 --> 1:01:18.720 love that you break the rules all the time, and 1:01:18.760 --> 1:01:20.280 I need you to do a little dirty work for me. 1:01:20.320 --> 1:01:23.560 And I'm a judge with extra extra privilege, so help 1:01:23.640 --> 1:01:26.439 me out. Like it's just hilarious, Like this guy's trying 1:01:26.440 --> 1:01:28.760 to be so moral, and then he's like, now I 1:01:28.760 --> 1:01:31.280 found the most loose cannon cop I could who's not 1:01:31.320 --> 1:01:32.440 gonna get too messy. 1:01:32.640 --> 1:01:34.440 You know, I also don't even think he knows. He 1:01:34.520 --> 1:01:36.680 just loves a quote. He I bet his instagram is 1:01:36.680 --> 1:01:38.160 all quotes, his pinterriss I. 1:01:38.160 --> 1:01:41.360 Also love a guy who's murdered, like twelve fucking kids 1:01:41.400 --> 1:01:42.840 disposed of their bodies, horrible thing. 1:01:42.880 --> 1:01:44.360 And he's like, I just hate judges. 1:01:44.880 --> 1:01:47.240 They're just giving me too long of a sentence from 1:01:47.280 --> 1:01:49.960 my twelve horrible crimes. 1:01:51.040 --> 1:01:53.240 Like, come on, it's not fair. I should be able 1:01:53.280 --> 1:01:56.440 to murder any kid I want. So we're back in 1:01:56.480 --> 1:01:58.480 court and the judge has coins on his desk and 1:01:58.520 --> 1:02:02.840 he's playing with these coins and talking more quotes. It's 1:02:02.840 --> 1:02:05.600 a very poetic judge. So he's organizing the coins and 1:02:05.640 --> 1:02:08.560 he's talking about Thomas Jefferson, who I think has not 1:02:08.640 --> 1:02:15.120 aged well his legacy. We don't love the guy. Okay, Soart, 1:02:15.240 --> 1:02:17.600 it's time to start this fucking trial though, But the 1:02:17.600 --> 1:02:20.160 defense wants a sidebar and Cabot, with a pop of 1:02:20.160 --> 1:02:22.680 green under her black suit, they approached the bench and 1:02:22.720 --> 1:02:26.040 he's like, mister Horois, really already a problem this soon, 1:02:26.120 --> 1:02:28.760 and he goes, listen, I'm concerned for my client's health. 1:02:28.800 --> 1:02:30.920 He's been on a hunger strike. And Cabot's like, okay, 1:02:30.960 --> 1:02:34.320 Gandhi get a grip and the judge says the law 1:02:34.440 --> 1:02:36.960 requires that he be fit to participate in his own defense, 1:02:37.400 --> 1:02:39.440 and he doesn't want him passing out in open court. 1:02:39.680 --> 1:02:41.600 He's like, listen, I'll talk to him on his lunch break. 1:02:41.680 --> 1:02:44.720 So step back, let's get started opening statements. But then 1:02:44.800 --> 1:02:48.560 instead he grabs his phone and then goes actually a 1:02:48.600 --> 1:02:52.080 fifteen minute break. Never mind, so he stops court to 1:02:52.120 --> 1:02:54.360 make a call. It's not like Stabler's even calling him. 1:02:54.960 --> 1:02:58.480 He stops opening statements for a fifteen minute recess, like 1:02:58.600 --> 1:03:01.760 this is where you've truly a text. 1:03:01.520 --> 1:03:03.480 But he doesn't have a text. They zoom in on 1:03:03.520 --> 1:03:05.840 his like very old ass phone and he doesn't have 1:03:05.880 --> 1:03:06.280 a text. 1:03:06.840 --> 1:03:09.640 And okay, so now we're with an old man with 1:03:09.720 --> 1:03:11.960 tubes in a cement room double window, you know, we're 1:03:11.960 --> 1:03:15.760 in prison. And the guy goes, ah, yeah, nice, try 1:03:15.840 --> 1:03:18.720 to Stabler, but stable like flips his phone shut on 1:03:18.760 --> 1:03:22.360 the judge. And the evil guy goes, that's Marshall's daddy, 1:03:22.520 --> 1:03:25.040 wasn't it, And you should let me talk to him. 1:03:25.080 --> 1:03:26.880 I would have told him I was sweet. This his 1:03:27.000 --> 1:03:32.320 boy was pudgy little thing like making love to a big, squishy, 1:03:32.400 --> 1:03:36.040 squeaky toy. I mean, this guy's gross and then he laughs, 1:03:36.080 --> 1:03:37.680 but then it turns into a gross m you can 1:03:37.720 --> 1:03:41.360 see like spit cough, like it's really gross, and he's like, oh, wow, 1:03:41.400 --> 1:03:43.760 you're tough. That usually gets a rise out of people. 1:03:43.800 --> 1:03:45.400 He goes, yeah, I've had my fair share of kitty 1:03:45.480 --> 1:03:48.480 diddlers like Stabler's unfazed and goes, you're a member of 1:03:48.560 --> 1:03:52.040 NAMBLA and the guy goes, I'm no homo. I like 1:03:52.120 --> 1:03:54.360 boys and girls. They're the same at that age. No 1:03:54.480 --> 1:03:59.480 grass on the field. So just you know, they're really 1:03:59.520 --> 1:04:03.000 painting the guy out to be a monster. Obviously. Steeler 1:04:03.040 --> 1:04:04.600 sits on the table and says, you're two feet in 1:04:04.640 --> 1:04:06.800 the grave. How about you make you know, make it 1:04:06.880 --> 1:04:09.200 right for everyone. And he says, Oh, what you don't 1:04:09.280 --> 1:04:12.240 understand is I'm not afraid of hell. I'm actually looking 1:04:12.320 --> 1:04:15.560 forward to it. And so then we jump back to 1:04:15.640 --> 1:04:19.680 court and Owen from like the rapists from the beginning 1:04:19.680 --> 1:04:22.320 of the episode, he's so annoying. He like hates it. 1:04:22.320 --> 1:04:24.640 He goes, I'm I'm as much of a victim as 1:04:24.680 --> 1:04:29.280 Pam is she dated the pig. I'm just an innocent 1:04:29.360 --> 1:04:31.840 third party. And the judges like broke. Miss Cabot has 1:04:31.840 --> 1:04:34.480 asked you numerous times to confine your answers to the question. 1:04:34.840 --> 1:04:38.160 You were not even on trial here, but the judges 1:04:38.280 --> 1:04:41.880 like distracted. He keeps staring at Tyler. He can't stop 1:04:42.000 --> 1:04:45.160 staring at Tyler. And Cabot and the rapists talk about 1:04:45.160 --> 1:04:47.560 photos and the chats and they talk for two weeks. 1:04:47.560 --> 1:04:50.000 He thought it was a woman. They read the transcript 1:04:50.040 --> 1:04:52.160 from the chat. You know, it's like full court is happening. 1:04:52.480 --> 1:04:54.880 It's describing what she wants. I want this tap and 1:04:54.880 --> 1:04:56.520 I want that to happen middle of the night. I'm 1:04:56.560 --> 1:04:58.360 gonna fight you off with all my might. You need 1:04:58.400 --> 1:05:01.600 to overpower me. And the judge keeps checking his phone. 1:05:01.640 --> 1:05:04.480 It's eleven nineteen. Now we're back at the prison and 1:05:04.640 --> 1:05:07.520 Sailor starts playing with the guy's oxygen tank like the tubes, 1:05:07.840 --> 1:05:11.800 so he's squeezing. He's squeezing the tubes clothes cutting off 1:05:11.840 --> 1:05:14.120 his oxygen. And I wrote, Lol, but I guess it's 1:05:14.120 --> 1:05:17.880 not a laughing matter. It is a new It is 1:05:17.920 --> 1:05:23.600 a new low for Stabler. Just full oxygen shortens. Oh 1:05:23.600 --> 1:05:27.520 did he not do that to Brian Dennehy No, I 1:05:27.560 --> 1:05:28.120 don't think so. 1:05:28.240 --> 1:05:30.960 Brian Denney just kept passing out from morphine or whatever. 1:05:31.440 --> 1:05:35.360 He just like he he'll choke you physically, but if 1:05:35.400 --> 1:05:37.880 you're on oxygen, you're making it easy for him because 1:05:37.880 --> 1:05:38.720 he's just gonna. 1:05:38.440 --> 1:05:41.880 Binge off that little tube. So the guy obviously has 1:05:41.960 --> 1:05:44.480 labored breathing and goes, let go, I can't tell you 1:05:44.520 --> 1:05:46.760 if I'm dead, moron, and Sala goes, yeah, that's why 1:05:46.800 --> 1:05:49.760 you should tell me now. I mean, Staylor's stone cold 1:05:49.760 --> 1:05:51.720 in this. He's gonna kill those dudes. And this guy 1:05:51.760 --> 1:05:54.920 starts struggling hard, grabbing for the tubes, and Silber goes, 1:05:54.960 --> 1:05:57.600 I thought you weren't scared to die. And then the 1:05:57.640 --> 1:05:59.840 guy says I can't breathe, and Sailor says I'm not 1:06:00.440 --> 1:06:02.560 and the guy goes, fine, I'll tell you, and he 1:06:02.600 --> 1:06:05.320 gasps and he gets he gets his breath back, and 1:06:05.360 --> 1:06:07.960 Sabler wants the location, but he says I need my 1:06:08.000 --> 1:06:10.280 breath back, give me a second, and Saylor says, I 1:06:10.320 --> 1:06:13.200 don't think so, and squeezes it again. Wait, and who 1:06:13.280 --> 1:06:15.320 is this guy? Because he gives me the vibe of 1:06:15.400 --> 1:06:17.440 the Bell guy from Breaking Bad, even though I know 1:06:17.520 --> 1:06:20.720 it's not the Bell guy. Yeah, yeah, but I'm imagining 1:06:20.760 --> 1:06:22.240 it is similar vibe. 1:06:22.320 --> 1:06:26.520 He was an actor named Victor Arnold, playing Royally Dotson, 1:06:26.560 --> 1:06:28.960 and he he passed away in twenty twelve. 1:06:29.000 --> 1:06:33.200 But he was a. 1:06:31.800 --> 1:06:34.800 Actor in a lot of stuff. I guess a bunch 1:06:34.800 --> 1:06:41.120 of movies. Yeah, I don't know, forty movies from fifty 1:06:41.160 --> 1:06:43.439 six to twenty eleven, The Edge of Night, the Best 1:06:43.480 --> 1:06:44.040 of Everything. 1:06:44.480 --> 1:06:47.880 He was in soap operas. Oh, it was in Serproco, 1:06:47.960 --> 1:06:51.240 the TV series I Go Wow Surproco. I just needed 1:06:51.280 --> 1:06:52.840 to confirm it wasn't the Bell guy, even though I 1:06:52.920 --> 1:06:55.480 knew in all my deep, darkest soul it's not. They're 1:06:55.480 --> 1:06:57.920 different faces, they are different men, you know. It's just 1:06:58.000 --> 1:07:02.280 like yes, So anyways, we're back. The judge will not 1:07:02.320 --> 1:07:04.360 stop looking at Tyler, like you can see Tyler is 1:07:04.400 --> 1:07:07.400 even like what the fuck? And then now we have 1:07:07.480 --> 1:07:09.680 Stabler rushing to his car on the phone with Live 1:07:09.760 --> 1:07:11.720 telling her to grab Warner and meet at the pool 1:07:11.720 --> 1:07:14.600 outside the Bedford Rec Center. So the judge gets a 1:07:14.640 --> 1:07:18.360 text from Stabler, and the Judge does apologize he's so distracted, 1:07:18.360 --> 1:07:21.480 and Cabot's noticing him be distracted and gives an objection 1:07:21.600 --> 1:07:23.520 and like he's not even paying attention. Cabot has to 1:07:23.560 --> 1:07:28.200 be like, excuse me, objection, and he just goes, oh uh, overruled, 1:07:28.720 --> 1:07:30.080 and then he goes, you know what, we have to 1:07:30.120 --> 1:07:33.320 stop core. It's adjourned till Monday. And then the judge 1:07:33.400 --> 1:07:35.320 runs to the pool and live is there, going I'm 1:07:35.360 --> 1:07:38.800 so sorry, judge, Roy lied. Marshall's not here, and the 1:07:38.880 --> 1:07:41.880 judge says, of course not. One should always be wary 1:07:41.960 --> 1:07:45.400 by information obtained by force. But Benson says, we did 1:07:45.400 --> 1:07:47.440 find something, and she tries to stop him, but he 1:07:47.480 --> 1:07:51.000 pushes through. So Warner's in there, and basically she says, 1:07:51.000 --> 1:07:53.400 you lost your boy in nineteen seventy nine, and I 1:07:53.440 --> 1:07:55.680 believe Roy left his remains here for a few months, 1:07:55.720 --> 1:07:58.240 but then moved them before the pool opened that summer. 1:07:59.000 --> 1:08:04.560 But post body fats break down into whatever a chemical 1:08:04.920 --> 1:08:07.800 and when that combines with acid based cleansers, it leaves 1:08:07.840 --> 1:08:10.960 a distinctive white stain and the judge is confused. But 1:08:11.000 --> 1:08:13.640 then we look down on the cement and there's like 1:08:13.760 --> 1:08:16.840 a white stain of a little child, and the judge goes, 1:08:16.880 --> 1:08:20.760 looks like an angel. Benson is at work flipping through 1:08:20.760 --> 1:08:23.439 files when Pam rushes in and says something is wrong. 1:08:23.920 --> 1:08:26.240 She says, I don't know. Cabot called and said, I'm 1:08:26.280 --> 1:08:28.559 being pushed from today and the trial is behind and 1:08:28.600 --> 1:08:30.760 I just can't do this anymore. Is it a trick 1:08:30.800 --> 1:08:33.720 by Tyler? What is happening? And Benson goes to court 1:08:33.720 --> 1:08:35.920 to meet up with Cabin and Cabbot goes, yeah, I 1:08:35.920 --> 1:08:39.520 know Cohler isn't here, and he's a stickler for punctuality, 1:08:40.000 --> 1:08:43.840 and nobody has seen him since Friday. Nobody's talked to him, 1:08:43.880 --> 1:08:46.439 not his clerk, nobody. Finn is on the case and 1:08:46.479 --> 1:08:49.439 he calls live and says that there's no log of 1:08:49.520 --> 1:08:53.040 him at Sing Sing to like visit Roy, but Stabler 1:08:53.080 --> 1:08:55.439 went there, which is strange because Tyler is not at 1:08:55.439 --> 1:08:58.320 Sing Sing, So what the fuck is like, you know, 1:08:58.479 --> 1:09:02.439 Stabler doing with this? So right now? And then Tyler 1:09:02.520 --> 1:09:04.639 right now is actually in holding waiting for the trial. 1:09:05.000 --> 1:09:07.320 So Cabot and Benson go to meet him and his 1:09:07.400 --> 1:09:10.080 lawyer and find out like, if the judge visited him, 1:09:10.080 --> 1:09:13.200 what's going on? Was he at Rikers? So Tyler does 1:09:13.240 --> 1:09:15.960 say that the judge visited him at Riker's Sunday morning, 1:09:16.080 --> 1:09:18.240 and Horowitz is like, this is the first time hearing 1:09:18.240 --> 1:09:20.960 of this. I had no idea this was happening, and 1:09:21.040 --> 1:09:23.240 so they did think that Tyler did something to the 1:09:23.320 --> 1:09:25.200 judge and horro Wist is like, no, no, they just 1:09:25.240 --> 1:09:27.920 talked about the case. If anybody did anything wrong, it's 1:09:28.000 --> 1:09:30.559 Kohler like the judge shouldn't have gone to chat with 1:09:30.760 --> 1:09:34.000 Tyler about the case, and Tyler says, no, the judge 1:09:34.040 --> 1:09:37.320 just wanted to hear my life story. Benson asks why, 1:09:37.400 --> 1:09:39.439 and Horowitz was like, well maybe it was, like you know, 1:09:39.640 --> 1:09:41.680 started as a hunger strike chat, Like I know they 1:09:41.680 --> 1:09:45.519 wanted to talk about the hunger strike. But Tyler's acting 1:09:45.560 --> 1:09:47.920 coy and annoying and like, I don't really, it's very 1:09:47.960 --> 1:09:51.599 confusing what is going on. So the judge did say 1:09:51.640 --> 1:09:54.160 that he refused to leave until he ate something, and 1:09:54.200 --> 1:09:56.839 Benson and Cabot are as confused as we are as viewers. 1:09:56.880 --> 1:09:59.920 It makes no sense. Why would this judge jeopardize the case, 1:10:00.200 --> 1:10:03.120 not show and then not show up. Benson's like, well, 1:10:03.120 --> 1:10:05.280 maybe he's losing it, and Kebbit goes, well, that makes sense. 1:10:05.280 --> 1:10:08.200 He's like taking calls in court. He's so distracted, and 1:10:08.240 --> 1:10:11.360 Benson is scared that maybe he harmed himself or something. 1:10:11.439 --> 1:10:13.960 So Finn goes to check at his residence. Finn and 1:10:14.000 --> 1:10:16.640 Munch breaks into the judge's home and he's covered in 1:10:16.680 --> 1:10:19.720 blood and they're like, is the attacker still here? And 1:10:19.760 --> 1:10:22.639 he goes, oh, I wasn't attacked, and they're like, okay, 1:10:22.640 --> 1:10:24.760 what happened to you? Are you okay? He goes, no, 1:10:24.800 --> 1:10:26.599 you need to get in here. And there's a man 1:10:26.640 --> 1:10:29.040 tied to a chair and he's bloody as fuck, but 1:10:29.120 --> 1:10:31.680 with a pulse. And then Munch asks who is he 1:10:31.960 --> 1:10:35.240 and he goes the Scourge of the Earth. Finn checks 1:10:35.240 --> 1:10:38.360 his idea and says his name is Gregory Brunson, so 1:10:38.479 --> 1:10:42.040 the same last name as Tyler who's on trial. So 1:10:42.120 --> 1:10:44.880 now we cut to Tyler who's like, oh, that's my father, 1:10:44.960 --> 1:10:46.720 but I haven't spoken to him since I left home 1:10:46.760 --> 1:10:49.680 at sixteen, and Benson goes, what did you tell the 1:10:49.760 --> 1:10:52.040 judge about him? And he really doesn't want to talk 1:10:52.080 --> 1:10:54.920 about it. He's stammering, but Benson pushes him and asks 1:10:54.960 --> 1:10:57.760 if his father sexually abused him and he's like, yeah, 1:10:57.800 --> 1:11:00.320 that's what the judge kept asking me, And Ben like 1:11:00.520 --> 1:11:02.240 what did you tell him? And Tyler's like, well, he 1:11:02.320 --> 1:11:06.400 had my entire childhood. He doesn't know why Cohler got 1:11:06.439 --> 1:11:09.679 so emotional since he was the one that it was abused, 1:11:09.800 --> 1:11:12.599 not this judge. So now we cut to Cohler. Guess 1:11:12.680 --> 1:11:14.760 what the DNA at the pool is? Not Cohler sign 1:11:14.960 --> 1:11:17.639 Roy is like truly a little like a villain obviously, 1:11:18.560 --> 1:11:22.120 and it's someone but like, the DNA matched a different 1:11:22.160 --> 1:11:25.759 one of his victims and that body was found before 1:11:26.400 --> 1:11:29.320 and like the person is buried, but this was where 1:11:30.280 --> 1:11:34.479 the body was first stored, and so yeah, this sucks. 1:11:34.560 --> 1:11:36.960 And then Munch goes, wow, Roy played Elliott like a 1:11:37.000 --> 1:11:41.160 game boy. But Munch is in a bad mood. He 1:11:41.160 --> 1:11:44.040 didn't get to go on his fuckfest trip. So Werner 1:11:44.080 --> 1:11:47.360 told the judge this information on Saturday. So on Saturday, 1:11:47.400 --> 1:11:49.960 the judge finds out that the DNA is from a 1:11:49.960 --> 1:11:52.439 different victim that was buried somewhere else. And then Finn 1:11:52.479 --> 1:11:55.040 asks why she didn't tell them, and she says, besides 1:11:55.040 --> 1:11:58.200 a tour bus massacre that kept her busy, she also 1:11:58.280 --> 1:12:00.479 felt uncomfortable with what the judge was at asking her 1:12:00.520 --> 1:12:04.519 to do. The judge asked of Tyler Brunson's DNA was 1:12:04.560 --> 1:12:06.840 taken at the time of arrest, and then gave a 1:12:06.880 --> 1:12:09.280 lock of hair for her to test. So now we 1:12:09.320 --> 1:12:11.760 have Stabler with the bag of this hair and asked 1:12:11.760 --> 1:12:13.960 the judge why he asked Warner to run the DNA 1:12:14.040 --> 1:12:17.400 test on Tyler's hair, And he's skirting the issue and 1:12:17.439 --> 1:12:20.240 trying to light to Benson and Stabler and then drops 1:12:20.240 --> 1:12:24.000 a bomb and goes, that hair is from Marshall's baby book. 1:12:25.080 --> 1:12:32.680 Tyler is Marshall. Marshall is Tyler in it together? How why? Uh? 1:12:33.040 --> 1:12:37.439 Yeah, it's crazy. It's one of the craziest twists of 1:12:37.479 --> 1:12:42.599 all time. Like he Cabot was looking for a different judge. 1:12:42.640 --> 1:12:46.000 This guy just happened to walk up and this is 1:12:46.040 --> 1:12:49.639 the judge that's presiding over his own child's case. 1:12:50.240 --> 1:12:54.360 Who's it's just too crazy and Tyler's the judge's son 1:12:54.640 --> 1:12:57.840 and asks to recuse himself obviously, like even though he's 1:12:57.880 --> 1:13:01.480 broken every rule and nothing's mattered, but like now yourself, 1:13:01.560 --> 1:13:06.960 like aren't you going to jail for assault? Like Stahla goes, 1:13:07.000 --> 1:13:10.639 but wow, and Roy never let any of his victims live, 1:13:10.720 --> 1:13:12.840 And the judge says this has nothing to do with Roy. 1:13:13.640 --> 1:13:16.720 He but he got decades of pleasure out of tormenting 1:13:16.960 --> 1:13:20.439 this judge. But Gregory Brunson is actually the one who 1:13:20.479 --> 1:13:22.880 took his son from the park, and so they could 1:13:22.920 --> 1:13:25.320 have been looking for Tyler this whole time if they 1:13:25.320 --> 1:13:28.200 hadn't like assumed it was Roy. Like I wonder how 1:13:28.240 --> 1:13:32.120 the evidence and investigation happened, and like that they focused 1:13:32.160 --> 1:13:36.040 so much on the wrong thing. It probably just matched them. 1:13:36.280 --> 1:13:38.280 The kids the same age as this guy who took 1:13:38.320 --> 1:13:39.599 all these kids and from the. 1:13:39.520 --> 1:13:44.120 Said he did it. Yeah, yeah, yeah, but it sucks that, 1:13:44.280 --> 1:13:47.880 like this judge's son was just being tormented by this 1:13:48.000 --> 1:13:51.200 man in the same city, you know, like they stayed 1:13:51.200 --> 1:13:54.600 in New York or no, Rhode Island, whatever. Okay, but 1:13:54.640 --> 1:13:55.000 it's like. 1:13:54.960 --> 1:13:58.920 Also, if everybody's looking for one looking at one massive crime, 1:13:59.040 --> 1:14:01.400 it is going to be other people take advantage of that. 1:14:01.439 --> 1:14:03.719 It's like what's happening in La right now with these 1:14:03.720 --> 1:14:05.479 guys just taking people off the street. You think that's 1:14:05.479 --> 1:14:07.559 not a good opportunity for somebody to just go buy 1:14:07.760 --> 1:14:10.680 a police badge at an army surplus store and grabs. 1:14:10.320 --> 1:14:16.120 Anyone they want. It could happen easily. You know, Tyler 1:14:16.200 --> 1:14:18.240 is not the man he would have been if him 1:14:18.240 --> 1:14:21.840 and Shanna raised him, and he knows they preach personal responsibility, 1:14:21.880 --> 1:14:25.280 but it's not Tyler's fault. He was tortured, and that 1:14:25.400 --> 1:14:27.360 like the judge feels bad because he should have kept 1:14:27.360 --> 1:14:29.639 looking for him and set him free and saved him. 1:14:29.960 --> 1:14:31.960 And Benson says, well, how could you have known? And 1:14:32.000 --> 1:14:34.200 he goes, well, he was so smart. He used to 1:14:34.280 --> 1:14:36.840 count the change in my pocket and he was only 1:14:36.880 --> 1:14:39.240 three years old. And that's like the coins he plays with. 1:14:39.280 --> 1:14:42.080 So he keeps the exact amount of coins the day 1:14:42.280 --> 1:14:44.880 his son went missing, and he keeps that many coins 1:14:44.920 --> 1:14:47.880 in his pocket at all times. Stabler asks when did 1:14:47.880 --> 1:14:50.880 he start to suspect that Tyler was his son? And 1:14:50.920 --> 1:14:53.639 he says at the bail, hearing a quote, a tyrant 1:14:53.640 --> 1:14:56.479 will always find a pretext for his tyranny, and it's 1:14:56.520 --> 1:14:59.080 from an Aesop fable. He used to read to him 1:14:59.360 --> 1:15:04.599 The Wolf and a Lamb, and he remembered. And but 1:15:04.720 --> 1:15:07.519 for three to remember that is like so wild, and 1:15:07.560 --> 1:15:09.559 it's like what you said. The judge can't even believe it, 1:15:09.600 --> 1:15:11.960 Like Habit wanted a different judge, but he walked by, 1:15:12.000 --> 1:15:14.040 And if he did walk by, he wouldn't have taken this. 1:15:14.160 --> 1:15:17.000 And you know, if Marshall didn't remember this one fable, 1:15:17.080 --> 1:15:19.320 like the trial would have happened normally, and that's that 1:15:19.800 --> 1:15:22.800 fate brought us back together. The judge said, well almost, 1:15:23.200 --> 1:15:25.320 and then Staber leans in and is like, well, maybe 1:15:25.640 --> 1:15:29.559 you can get temporary insanity or during nullification, and he goes, no, 1:15:29.640 --> 1:15:31.920 there won't be a trial. I went against everything I've 1:15:31.920 --> 1:15:34.200 ever stood for. I've admitted my guilt, and we'll take 1:15:34.200 --> 1:15:37.679 whatever punishment the judge sees fit, which hopefully he'll get 1:15:37.720 --> 1:15:42.760 a a deal. Yeah, that's his friends. Benson's like, no, 1:15:43.120 --> 1:15:45.240 you have dedicated your life to the law, like let 1:15:45.280 --> 1:15:49.040 it work for you. And here comes another quote, chase 1:15:49.080 --> 1:15:52.240 after the truth, like hell, you'll free yourself even though 1:15:52.280 --> 1:15:57.320 you never touch its coattails. Okay, well he found the 1:15:57.360 --> 1:16:00.639 truth and he feels free. He just says one request. 1:16:00.760 --> 1:16:03.040 So now we cut to Benson and Stabler and they're 1:16:03.240 --> 1:16:05.760 holding a t like Tyler in an orange jumpsuit, and 1:16:05.800 --> 1:16:07.600 he's pissed off, like what the fuck? What do you 1:16:07.600 --> 1:16:10.920 want from me? And we have the judge behind bars 1:16:10.960 --> 1:16:13.679 and Tyler is so confused by this. So they say 1:16:13.680 --> 1:16:16.920 hello to each other and then like Tyler's pissed because 1:16:16.960 --> 1:16:18.919 he goes, well, you went crazy, and now there's a mistrial. 1:16:18.960 --> 1:16:20.519 And I have to do this whole fucking trial all 1:16:20.560 --> 1:16:23.519 over again. And the judge goes, I'm sorry that what 1:16:23.560 --> 1:16:25.880 that man turns you into, it's not who you are, 1:16:26.320 --> 1:16:29.920 and Tyler goes me, what about you? Like? Why why 1:16:29.960 --> 1:16:32.719 did you attack my father? And the music gets stringy 1:16:33.080 --> 1:16:35.840 and then he goes the Tyranny quote and Tyler is 1:16:35.880 --> 1:16:39.240 a flash of recognition and like shock, and he goes, 1:16:39.280 --> 1:16:41.439 it's something I looked up recently from a fable I 1:16:41.479 --> 1:16:44.000 remembered as a kid my dad read to me. But like, 1:16:44.040 --> 1:16:46.439 it doesn't seem like my dad at all. I can't 1:16:46.479 --> 1:16:51.000 remember him doing anything nice for me ever, And the 1:16:51.080 --> 1:16:55.040 judge goes, think, try to remember the voice, and still nothing, 1:16:55.080 --> 1:16:57.439 But then tears start welling up in the judge's eyes, 1:16:57.520 --> 1:17:00.000 and then Tyler keeps thinking and it finally hits him 1:17:00.160 --> 1:17:03.040 and they both look at each other, crying, and Tyler's 1:17:03.040 --> 1:17:05.560 in shock. He goes, it's not possible, and he's stammering, 1:17:05.880 --> 1:17:08.040 and he goes, it was you, and then the judge 1:17:08.040 --> 1:17:13.280 cries more, cradles Tyler's face. Taylor Tyler now cry. Tyler's crying. 1:17:13.760 --> 1:17:16.639 He leans his head into his hand. They're both crying 1:17:16.720 --> 1:17:19.080 now I've said crying like five hundred times. I can't 1:17:19.080 --> 1:17:22.040 say it again. They are tearing up, uh whatever, there's 1:17:22.120 --> 1:17:24.960 bars in between them, and he's just like holding his 1:17:25.040 --> 1:17:27.639 son's face as they cry, and we wish them both 1:17:27.680 --> 1:17:30.519 the best on their journeys, honestly, Like he is a 1:17:30.520 --> 1:17:32.559 bad guy, and I think they're both going to jail, 1:17:32.760 --> 1:17:36.559 but maybe they'll be in the same unit and they 1:17:36.560 --> 1:17:40.160 can work on the relationship. But that is dick Well 1:17:40.280 --> 1:17:47.879 baby crazy episode. It's crazy. It's such a crazy episode. Yeah, 1:17:48.200 --> 1:17:50.240 Like and then it's followed up by Zebras. 1:17:50.240 --> 1:17:51.639 I feel like ten might be one of the most 1:17:51.680 --> 1:17:55.040 unhinged seasons, but they're really just like swinging for it, 1:17:55.200 --> 1:18:09.040 like doing crazy episodes. Okay, let's get in to the cases. 1:18:09.240 --> 1:18:10.599 Yeah, just everything. 1:18:11.080 --> 1:18:13.760 There's a bunch of stuff like on the wiki and 1:18:13.800 --> 1:18:15.960 online about cases. This might be based off of that 1:18:16.000 --> 1:18:18.360 I really don't agree with. It's just kind of about 1:18:18.400 --> 1:18:22.240 like child killers, like that Dotson could be based on. Yeah, 1:18:22.240 --> 1:18:23.680 there's like a ton of child killers that I guess 1:18:23.720 --> 1:18:25.840 Dotson could be based on, but he's not the. 1:18:25.520 --> 1:18:28.439 Focus of the episode. So two parts. 1:18:28.800 --> 1:18:32.440 The first part of this episode is obviously this like catfishing, 1:18:33.320 --> 1:18:35.360 rape setup, which again I don't I don't have a 1:18:35.439 --> 1:18:38.599 name for it. Everywhere I looked, I could not find 1:18:38.640 --> 1:18:43.560 one that happened before this episode took place. But wildly 1:18:43.880 --> 1:18:47.679 I found one that happened six months after this episode aired, 1:18:48.080 --> 1:18:51.960 and it's extremely similar. Like in September of two thousand 1:18:51.960 --> 1:18:56.040 and eight, a woman named Sarah Kostovni of Casper, Wyoming, 1:18:56.360 --> 1:19:01.040 she met a marine named Jebediah James Stipe. 1:19:00.080 --> 1:19:03.519 Ye oh yeah, don't don't go on a date with 1:19:03.520 --> 1:19:07.280 a Jebediah. They grew up in a religious bad home. 1:19:07.560 --> 1:19:09.880 Like that's not a well kept person. If you know 1:19:09.920 --> 1:19:12.280 a normal Jebediah, let us know, I think our dms 1:19:12.280 --> 1:19:18.120 will be empty. Well, jebedi is twenty seven, he's from Carbon, Wyoming. 1:19:19.160 --> 1:19:22.720 He's like on leave from the Marines. She meets him, 1:19:22.840 --> 1:19:25.200 they spend a few days together. This is in September. 1:19:25.600 --> 1:19:28.280 Then she goes and visits him in California. He's stationed 1:19:28.320 --> 1:19:31.360 at twenty nine Palms, which is kind of near Palm Springs, 1:19:31.840 --> 1:19:33.479 and she goes to visit him for a few days 1:19:33.520 --> 1:19:34.200 over New Years. 1:19:34.680 --> 1:19:36.160 Spent a few days there. She was like, he was 1:19:36.160 --> 1:19:38.559 different in California. I knew I was probably never going 1:19:38.600 --> 1:19:40.960 to see him ever again. Okay, So I just want 1:19:40.960 --> 1:19:43.439 to recap that she spent a total of seven days 1:19:43.439 --> 1:19:46.599 with this man, with maybe some texting in between. 1:19:46.640 --> 1:19:47.400 It was two thousand and eight. 1:19:47.439 --> 1:19:48.840 I don't even know what kind of phones they had, 1:19:49.200 --> 1:19:53.160 but some texting in between. In July two thousand and nine, 1:19:53.200 --> 1:19:56.680 she meets a man and they become engaged, and she 1:19:56.800 --> 1:19:58.960 texts everybody in her address book on her phone, I 1:19:58.960 --> 1:20:04.040 guess and says I'm getting engaged. Stipe calls her Jebediah 1:20:04.080 --> 1:20:06.040 and asks for her address he can send her an 1:20:06.040 --> 1:20:10.280 engagement gift, and unfortunately, the stemless wine glasses never arrived 1:20:10.880 --> 1:20:14.880 because this guy was an absolute psychopath. On December fifth, 1:20:14.920 --> 1:20:17.800 two thousand and nine, he posts on Craigslist. 1:20:18.400 --> 1:20:20.559 But this is so of the time, Like thank god 1:20:20.560 --> 1:20:22.479 we have websites now, Like I would never just like 1:20:23.200 --> 1:20:26.559 everyone in my phone book, I have people saved as 1:20:26.640 --> 1:20:29.679 like Jim the bar, Like what are you talking about? 1:20:30.439 --> 1:20:33.160 People pay saved us don't pick up? Yeah, Like you're 1:20:33.280 --> 1:20:36.439 just why blanking. I'm not blaming the victim here. It's 1:20:36.479 --> 1:20:39.160 just like the change of times, Like I just I 1:20:39.200 --> 1:20:42.040 can't imagine just being like I'm gonna let everyone because 1:20:42.040 --> 1:20:43.519 we would post on social media. 1:20:43.680 --> 1:20:46.120 Yeah yeah, And she was just like, I'm engaged, and 1:20:46.120 --> 1:20:49.280 so he asked her for her address. Then in two 1:20:49.360 --> 1:20:53.400 thousand and nine, December two thousand and nine, he so again. 1:20:53.640 --> 1:20:55.800 This episode came out in May of two thousand and nine, 1:20:55.840 --> 1:21:00.040 and this is like happening exactly six months later in 1:21:00.360 --> 1:21:01.040 December of death. 1:21:01.200 --> 1:21:02.920 I don't like when this happens, though. I don't like 1:21:02.960 --> 1:21:05.559 when things are like immediately right after an episode, I'm like, 1:21:05.600 --> 1:21:06.439 what is going on. 1:21:06.560 --> 1:21:08.800 Because You're like, did they get it from that or 1:21:08.880 --> 1:21:10.720 is it parallel? Think like, is it just like a 1:21:10.880 --> 1:21:14.240 thing that a coincidence. It's just too I am sure 1:21:14.320 --> 1:21:16.920 this happened before two thousand and nine. I am sure, 1:21:17.240 --> 1:21:19.360 but this is the only case I can find. 1:21:19.400 --> 1:21:20.840 I'm literally looking up everything. 1:21:20.920 --> 1:21:26.000 I'm looking up rape fantasy website, like posting as the 1:21:26.080 --> 1:21:28.640 other person, like, I mean, I was googling everything, and 1:21:28.680 --> 1:21:30.719 this is the only case that pops up. It's also 1:21:30.760 --> 1:21:33.600 possible that this happened. I mean, this is kind of 1:21:33.600 --> 1:21:37.560 the golden age of posting and websites and personals and 1:21:37.600 --> 1:21:41.320 stuff like that that wasn't like as big before. I'm 1:21:41.360 --> 1:21:43.519 sure it has happened before and that that's where these 1:21:43.560 --> 1:21:46.600 writers got the idea, but I cannot find it so 1:21:47.080 --> 1:21:50.280 but this one is very close. He put her photo 1:21:50.560 --> 1:21:53.360 with the listing, and in the listing he posed as 1:21:53.400 --> 1:21:56.480 Sarah and said I'm looking for quote a real aggressive 1:21:56.520 --> 1:21:58.600 man with no concern for women. 1:21:59.760 --> 1:21:59.840 And. 1:22:01.400 --> 1:22:03.400 Yeah, he was a marine. He was stationed at twenty 1:22:03.479 --> 1:22:10.000 nine Palms and somehow the girl Sarah spotted the ad 1:22:10.360 --> 1:22:13.120 after it was up for two days and called the 1:22:13.160 --> 1:22:16.719 cops and it was removed, but not before one hundred 1:22:16.720 --> 1:22:20.760 and sixty people responded to the ad. One hundred and 1:22:20.800 --> 1:22:22.760 sixty people were like, I have no concern for women. 1:22:22.840 --> 1:22:26.400 I'll do it in two days on Craigslist. Among them 1:22:26.800 --> 1:22:30.160 was a twenty six year old named ty Oliver McDowell. 1:22:30.640 --> 1:22:33.599 He messaged the poster and exchanged ims with them. 1:22:34.000 --> 1:22:34.599 The person he. 1:22:34.560 --> 1:22:37.720 Thought was Sarah, and quote unquote, Sarah told him all 1:22:37.720 --> 1:22:42.760 her fantasies, including quote humiliation, physical abuse, sexual abuse, and 1:22:42.800 --> 1:22:48.680 then Stipe gave McDowell Sarah's address and on December eleventh, 1:22:49.120 --> 1:22:52.120 McDowell broke into her home, tied her up, bound and 1:22:52.160 --> 1:22:55.160 gagged her, held a knife on her, and raped her. 1:22:55.520 --> 1:22:58.160 And he later told detectives. He thought he was helping 1:22:58.160 --> 1:23:00.879 her live out this rape fantasy she had. He was arrested. 1:23:00.960 --> 1:23:03.200 It had to have been some sort of safe word, 1:23:03.240 --> 1:23:04.400 Like what do you mean you just bring out a 1:23:04.479 --> 1:23:05.920 knife and tie a woman to a chair? 1:23:06.439 --> 1:23:08.680 I mean, a safe word is such a thing that 1:23:08.720 --> 1:23:10.920 a woman would have to suggest, And there was no 1:23:10.920 --> 1:23:14.439 woman involved in this at all, you know, like these 1:23:14.479 --> 1:23:19.720 men are yeah, no, stupid, you know, And yeah, he 1:23:19.760 --> 1:23:21.960 was arrested. He was charged with first degree sexual assault, 1:23:21.960 --> 1:23:26.160 aggravated kidnapping, and aggravated burglary. And then Stipe was arrested 1:23:26.240 --> 1:23:28.360 and charged with They obviously did be boot bops and 1:23:28.400 --> 1:23:30.280 figured out that Stipe was the one that was messaging 1:23:30.280 --> 1:23:33.360 with this guy and charge he was charged with conspiracy 1:23:33.520 --> 1:23:37.439 to commit first degree sexual assaults. In twenty ten, after 1:23:37.479 --> 1:23:41.639 pleading guilty to sexual assault, aggravated kidnapping, and aggravated burglary, 1:23:41.800 --> 1:23:45.280 Stipe was sentenced to sixty years. Oh good years, which 1:23:45.320 --> 1:23:48.240 is really really good considering what you hear about some 1:23:48.479 --> 1:23:50.840 of these crimes. I mean, by then, it's the late, 1:23:50.880 --> 1:23:53.280 it's the it's the we're at the twenty tens now, 1:23:53.320 --> 1:23:55.479 so hopefully we're giving out the correct sentences and not 1:23:55.600 --> 1:23:59.080 like five years for a full rape, you know what 1:23:59.080 --> 1:24:02.800 I mean, Like that that is actually going to be 1:24:02.840 --> 1:24:04.400 involved in the next crap I'm going to talk about. 1:24:04.439 --> 1:24:09.480 But he is serving that out in Wyoming Medium Correctional Institution. McDowell, 1:24:09.520 --> 1:24:11.760 the one who committed the act, admitted also to three 1:24:11.760 --> 1:24:14.400 counts of first degree sexual assault, although I I guess 1:24:14.400 --> 1:24:16.439 I sort of think his should be down to second 1:24:16.479 --> 1:24:18.920 degree or something since he didn't he should still go 1:24:18.960 --> 1:24:21.360 to jail. But it's like he didn't premeditate it because 1:24:21.600 --> 1:24:22.800 he thought she was in on it. 1:24:23.200 --> 1:24:25.000 But yeah, but I think not having a safe for 1:24:25.160 --> 1:24:27.600 the night, like there's all these things that like just 1:24:27.640 --> 1:24:32.439 go into Yeah, stupid. It's just it is like it 1:24:32.479 --> 1:24:34.400 is wild to me. He also gets sixty years. He 1:24:34.439 --> 1:24:36.040 gets the same amount of time as the guy who 1:24:36.080 --> 1:24:38.680 perpetrated the whole thing. I wonder why he pled, if 1:24:38.720 --> 1:24:40.759 he didn't even get a deal, why he would plead 1:24:40.760 --> 1:24:45.599 guilty or maybe he felt really bad. Yeah, I don't know, 1:24:46.280 --> 1:24:48.400 I don't know. You're right, it seems like you would 1:24:48.400 --> 1:24:51.639 try to say no, but maybe there was he thought 1:24:51.640 --> 1:24:52.479 there was. It was futile. 1:24:53.640 --> 1:24:56.240 McDowell admitted to the three counts of first degree sexual assault, 1:24:56.240 --> 1:24:58.759 one count of aggravated kidnapping, one count of aggrivatd burglary. 1:24:58.840 --> 1:25:04.440 He also got sixty sent serving that at Wyoming State Penitentiary, 1:25:05.000 --> 1:25:07.320 and both will not be up for parole until April 1:25:07.360 --> 1:25:11.920 thirtieth of twenty fifty, at which point I think. 1:25:11.800 --> 1:25:15.439 This like never happens on our podcast, where I'm like, wow, 1:25:16.000 --> 1:25:16.879 cool sentence. 1:25:17.439 --> 1:25:20.559 Yeah, they just got a lot of time. They'll be 1:25:20.560 --> 1:25:23.120 in their seventies, I think when they get out. I think, yeah, 1:25:23.160 --> 1:25:25.400 because it's forty years and they were like in their 1:25:25.479 --> 1:25:29.840 late twenties when it happened. Yeah, Craigslist faced no penalties 1:25:30.160 --> 1:25:33.360 as federal law protects Internet sites from liability for their 1:25:33.479 --> 1:25:36.400 user's actions, which is according to m Ryan Callo, who 1:25:36.439 --> 1:25:39.400 is a residential fellow at Stanford Law School's Center for 1:25:39.479 --> 1:25:43.000 Internet and Society. He told the La Times quote the 1:25:43.040 --> 1:25:46.519 idea was that these website platforms were truly communities assembled 1:25:46.520 --> 1:25:49.880 of random users with no editorial control over what users 1:25:49.880 --> 1:25:52.880 were doing. Craigslist is like a hotel with millions of rooms, 1:25:53.000 --> 1:25:54.760 but it doesn't have the ability to figure out what's 1:25:54.800 --> 1:25:57.760 happening in those rooms. And we've seen this a bunch 1:25:57.760 --> 1:25:59.920 of times like turn on the sun, Like, you know, 1:26:00.200 --> 1:26:03.720 things are happening in second life or whatever, different websites 1:26:03.720 --> 1:26:06.680 where people are committing crimes, and the websites like, we 1:26:06.720 --> 1:26:08.559 don't know what they're doing, We're just taking the money. 1:26:09.240 --> 1:26:12.080 So that's a wild one that happened six months later. 1:26:12.640 --> 1:26:14.880 I cannot find anything about something that happened before, but 1:26:14.920 --> 1:26:17.400 I know it's happened because also the show has talked 1:26:17.400 --> 1:26:21.320 about this kind of scenario multiple multiple times, but this 1:26:21.320 --> 1:26:23.120 one was close enough that I thought it would be 1:26:23.120 --> 1:26:26.639 interesting to talk about. The episode is truly based on 1:26:26.760 --> 1:26:31.680 the kidnapping of Stephen Stainer. Stephen Stainer was born in 1:26:31.760 --> 1:26:34.639 nineteen sixty five in Merced, California, which is a town 1:26:34.840 --> 1:26:38.719 between Fresno and Modesto. He was the third of five kids. 1:26:39.000 --> 1:26:41.240 His older brother was named Carrie, and then he had 1:26:41.280 --> 1:26:44.439 three sisters. Keep that in your keep that in your 1:26:44.439 --> 1:26:48.160 little memory bank for later, Okay. In December of nineteen 1:26:48.200 --> 1:26:51.559 seventy two, when Stephen was seven, he was walking home 1:26:51.560 --> 1:26:53.559 from school when he was approached by a man named 1:26:53.600 --> 1:26:57.439 Irvin Edward Murphy, who asked if hey, would your mom 1:26:57.520 --> 1:27:00.120 like to donate any items to church? Were gathering items 1:27:00.160 --> 1:27:02.519 for the church, and Stephen was like, yeah, but she would. 1:27:03.320 --> 1:27:05.840 But Murphy was just like a simpleton accomplice who had 1:27:05.840 --> 1:27:10.160 been enlisted for help from his coworker at Yosemite by 1:27:10.200 --> 1:27:15.839 a pedophile named Kenneth Parnell who helped him kidnap this boy. 1:27:16.200 --> 1:27:18.960 Murphy brought Stephen over to a car where forty year 1:27:18.960 --> 1:27:22.160 old Parnell, who was a drifter from Texas, was waiting 1:27:22.200 --> 1:27:24.040 for him. They're like, we're gonna give you a ride home. 1:27:24.160 --> 1:27:27.040 This is Reverend Parnell, he's a church leader, not trying. 1:27:27.240 --> 1:27:29.840 Is it a random kid or this guy like wanted 1:27:29.880 --> 1:27:34.320 this kid. I think it's a crime of opportunity because 1:27:35.320 --> 1:27:38.240 Murphy had tried to help him kidnap other kids and 1:27:38.280 --> 1:27:40.599 it had not worked out. So I think they were 1:27:40.640 --> 1:27:43.479 just probably cruising around seeing who's walking home from school, 1:27:43.479 --> 1:27:44.479 who's alone, who can. 1:27:44.400 --> 1:27:46.800 We get and this helper just like an idiot drifter 1:27:46.880 --> 1:27:48.880 who is down to do it, like didn't care. 1:27:49.320 --> 1:27:51.720 He literally has nothing to do with this stuff. Like 1:27:51.800 --> 1:27:53.439 after he gets the boy in the car, he's kind 1:27:53.439 --> 1:27:56.360 of like he's described as like a simpleton and like 1:27:56.439 --> 1:27:57.680 kind of low iq and you. 1:27:57.600 --> 1:28:00.680 Think he believe the church story. Did he know what 1:28:00.840 --> 1:28:02.080 was for the crime, like did. 1:28:02.040 --> 1:28:05.400 He the What I read was that Parnell told him 1:28:05.439 --> 1:28:08.360 he needed to help him get a boy for religious reasons, 1:28:09.000 --> 1:28:09.559 Like he told him. 1:28:09.600 --> 1:28:10.920 It's oh, it's like for religious reasons. 1:28:10.920 --> 1:28:13.200 I want to help turn this boy more Christian or 1:28:13.240 --> 1:28:15.600 so I have no idea, but like religious, you know, 1:28:15.720 --> 1:28:20.320 always under the blanket of religiosity. So he told this boy, 1:28:20.320 --> 1:28:22.040 we're going to give you a ride home. They're telling that, 1:28:22.040 --> 1:28:25.200 they're telling Stephen, Oh, this guy's Reverend Parnell, So he 1:28:25.200 --> 1:28:26.200 thinks he's a church leader. 1:28:26.400 --> 1:28:29.120 So for a couple of days, he keeps calling. 1:28:29.200 --> 1:28:30.960 He keeps going, oh, I'll just call your parents and 1:28:30.960 --> 1:28:32.639 see if you can stay another night, and going, oh, 1:28:32.640 --> 1:28:33.599 you can stay another night. 1:28:33.640 --> 1:28:36.120 So he's just staying and then the boy's like begging 1:28:36.160 --> 1:28:36.800 to go home. 1:28:37.360 --> 1:28:40.799 And then Parnell tells Stephen, oh, actually, your parents abandon 1:28:40.880 --> 1:28:43.760 you because they can't afford this many kids and they 1:28:43.800 --> 1:28:45.720 don't want you anymore. So I went to court and 1:28:45.720 --> 1:28:48.439 I got legal custody of you. So your mind, child now, 1:28:48.920 --> 1:28:52.160 and you're gonna call me dad. And he renamed him 1:28:52.160 --> 1:28:55.559 Dennis Gregory Parnell, which is the same middle name, but 1:28:55.600 --> 1:28:58.840 he changed his first and last name, and he spent 1:28:58.960 --> 1:29:02.040 the next seven years with this kid, moving the boy 1:29:02.120 --> 1:29:07.320 from to various remote cabins trailers in California, enrolling him 1:29:07.360 --> 1:29:10.200 in various schools under the name Dennis Parnell, and the 1:29:10.240 --> 1:29:14.080 whole time obviously psychologically and sexually abusing him. 1:29:13.840 --> 1:29:15.759 It's terrible. It's terrible. 1:29:15.840 --> 1:29:19.160 So from seven to fourteen, this kid, Stephen is with 1:29:19.360 --> 1:29:23.680 this kid, and as an adult, later Stephen goes, I 1:29:23.840 --> 1:29:27.360 probably could have fled because he gave me a lot 1:29:27.400 --> 1:29:29.719 of freedom. He let me drink, he let me smoke, 1:29:30.040 --> 1:29:33.320 he let me drive his car like around his property 1:29:33.760 --> 1:29:34.280 or whatever. 1:29:34.880 --> 1:29:37.839 And he's like, I could have fled. I just didn't 1:29:37.880 --> 1:29:38.720 know where to go. 1:29:38.800 --> 1:29:41.639 And I believed that adults don't lie, so I believe 1:29:41.680 --> 1:29:43.960 my parents had given me up, and like, where am 1:29:44.000 --> 1:29:44.519 I going to go? 1:29:44.760 --> 1:29:45.000 You know? 1:29:45.800 --> 1:29:48.120 So as an I mean, it's like we hear this 1:29:48.200 --> 1:29:51.439 with tons of people, the people the girl who was 1:29:51.479 --> 1:29:54.000 taken and told that there was something called the Company 1:29:54.080 --> 1:29:55.559 that was going to kill her whole family if she 1:29:55.600 --> 1:29:58.280 tried to leave her. Colleen Stan like, your family's not 1:29:58.320 --> 1:29:59.920 looking you know people that they say, your family's not 1:30:00.000 --> 1:30:01.439 looking for you. So it's like, where would I even 1:30:01.439 --> 1:30:05.480 go so for a while. Parnell also had a girlfriend 1:30:05.600 --> 1:30:10.280 named Barbara Mattius or Matthias, who Steven said also sexually 1:30:10.280 --> 1:30:13.320 assaulted him for a period of time, and she later 1:30:13.360 --> 1:30:16.320 said she had no idea that quote unquote Dennis was kidnapped, 1:30:16.400 --> 1:30:18.400 like she just assumed it was her boyfriend's son. So, 1:30:19.120 --> 1:30:22.920 as we see so often depicted on SVU, as Stephen 1:30:22.960 --> 1:30:26.320 got older into his teens, Parnell doesn't want him as much, 1:30:26.360 --> 1:30:28.080 so he's like, you need to help me recruit a 1:30:28.080 --> 1:30:31.320 younger boy. So he used Steven as a lure to 1:30:31.360 --> 1:30:33.920 help get a couple of other boys. But it didn't 1:30:33.920 --> 1:30:35.840 work out, Like a lot of the attempts didn't work, 1:30:36.080 --> 1:30:38.360 and Parnell was like, all, this kid's a bad accomplice. 1:30:38.360 --> 1:30:40.320 But Stephen later revealed no, I was like fucking it 1:30:40.400 --> 1:30:42.840 up on purpose. I didn't want these kids to get kidnapped, right, 1:30:43.439 --> 1:30:44.679 So on Mebruary Wow. 1:30:44.960 --> 1:30:45.240 Yeah. 1:30:46.080 --> 1:30:51.639 On February fourteenth, nineteen eighty, Parnell asks one of Steven's friends, 1:30:51.680 --> 1:30:56.200 who's a teenager named Randall Porman, to help him kidnap 1:30:56.240 --> 1:30:59.840 a five year old named Timothy White. And you see 1:30:59.840 --> 1:31:02.640 the little boy in a little bit of this documentary 1:31:02.640 --> 1:31:06.560 that I'm going to talk about later. And he's like blonde, 1:31:06.880 --> 1:31:09.760 fluffy hair, like a little angel, like Timothy White. Like 1:31:09.800 --> 1:31:12.679 he sounds like what he looks like, what somebody named 1:31:12.680 --> 1:31:15.200 Timothy White would be named like the whitest little white boy, 1:31:15.280 --> 1:31:18.320 blonde poster child for the milk carton. 1:31:18.400 --> 1:31:18.600 You know. 1:31:19.280 --> 1:31:24.200 He kidnaps him, and Steven sees how upset Timothy is, 1:31:24.280 --> 1:31:26.240 and he's like, I'm going to free this kid and 1:31:26.320 --> 1:31:29.240 I'm going to reunite him with his family. So two 1:31:29.240 --> 1:31:31.800 weeks after, he's kidnapped on March first of nineteen. 1:31:31.560 --> 1:31:33.160 Eighty, but he wasn't able to put it in his 1:31:33.160 --> 1:31:36.760 head that might have happened to him. Not yet, no, 1:31:36.920 --> 1:31:37.439 kay yeh. 1:31:38.479 --> 1:31:43.639 So two weeks later, March first, nineteen eighty, Parnell's at work, Stephen, 1:31:43.920 --> 1:31:48.040 who is fourteen, takes little Timothy and carries him on 1:31:48.120 --> 1:31:51.439 his back and they hitch hike forty miles to the 1:31:51.439 --> 1:31:56.559 little boy's hometown of Yukaya or Ukaya, California, but they 1:31:56.560 --> 1:31:58.719 can't find his house. So they go to a police 1:31:58.720 --> 1:32:02.640 station and blah blah blah, blah blah blah. Everyone's been 1:32:02.640 --> 1:32:04.960 looking for Timothy. He's been going for two weeks. The 1:32:05.000 --> 1:32:09.519 next morning, police pick up Parnell for kidnapping both boys. 1:32:09.280 --> 1:32:13.320 It's discovered that Parnell has a sodomy conviction from nineteen 1:32:13.400 --> 1:32:16.599 fifty one, which he was in jail for like four 1:32:16.680 --> 1:32:22.840 minutes for Stephen and Timothy are immediately reunited with their families. 1:32:23.200 --> 1:32:25.599 And he's like a hero, this kid. 1:32:25.680 --> 1:32:29.720 Yeah, and the following year, Parnell gets tried and convicted 1:32:30.080 --> 1:32:32.400 in nineteen eighty one of kidnapping the boys in two 1:32:32.439 --> 1:32:36.320 separate trials. Now, this is so fucked. He gets sentenced 1:32:36.360 --> 1:32:40.599 to seven years for kidnapping Timothy White. Okay, then he 1:32:40.640 --> 1:32:44.959 gets an additional seven years for kidnapping Steven, but because 1:32:45.120 --> 1:32:47.479 of some weird statute or. 1:32:47.400 --> 1:32:48.439 The way the law's written. 1:32:48.439 --> 1:32:50.519 I literally I watched the documentary like I could not 1:32:50.560 --> 1:32:53.160 figure out why this is happening. And it being his 1:32:53.320 --> 1:32:56.920 second defense, he only had to serve twenty months of that. 1:32:57.960 --> 1:33:02.040 So he gets like nine years total for this and 1:33:02.160 --> 1:33:05.479 don't worry, like, because the justice system rocks so hard 1:33:05.479 --> 1:33:08.920 in our country, he gets paroled after serving five years 1:33:08.960 --> 1:33:11.880 for good behavior. Like I just wrote in my notes, 1:33:11.920 --> 1:33:15.080 like what the fuck? Like I was going crazy. Stephen 1:33:15.280 --> 1:33:18.479 testified at the trial that he was regularly sexually abused, 1:33:18.880 --> 1:33:21.600 but he was not charged with any sexual assaults on 1:33:21.680 --> 1:33:25.080 Stephen or any of the other boys that he may 1:33:25.240 --> 1:33:28.479 have kidnapped because they occurred outside the jurisdiction of the 1:33:28.520 --> 1:33:32.800 Mercenne County prosecutor and were also outside the statute of limitations, 1:33:32.800 --> 1:33:35.600 which I think I read somewhere there was like three years. 1:33:36.080 --> 1:33:39.760 Mendocino County prosecutors also decided not to prosecute Parnell for 1:33:39.800 --> 1:33:41.439 the sexual assaults that took place there. 1:33:41.920 --> 1:33:42.960 I don't know why. 1:33:43.040 --> 1:33:46.960 The kids said on trial they found nude photos of 1:33:47.000 --> 1:33:49.720 Stephen M. Parnell's home when he was a child. I 1:33:49.760 --> 1:33:51.040 mean he was a child the whole time he was 1:33:51.040 --> 1:33:53.080 found at fourteen, but when he was younger as well, 1:33:53.479 --> 1:33:56.160 and his family did not want him to talk about 1:33:56.200 --> 1:33:59.160 the details of the molestation, like his that we get 1:33:59.160 --> 1:34:01.960 into it, like his father, like you know, they did 1:34:01.960 --> 1:34:05.240 not want him to talk about this. They're like, don't 1:34:05.400 --> 1:34:07.760 that's not your business, Like don't bring that stuff up 1:34:07.800 --> 1:34:10.880 in interviews or whatever. Some of the accomplices that worked 1:34:10.880 --> 1:34:13.360 with him, like the guy that first helped him take 1:34:13.400 --> 1:34:16.839 Stephen and this teen kid that helped him take Timothy. 1:34:16.960 --> 1:34:20.879 They got lesser charges and lower sentences, but his girlfriend, 1:34:20.960 --> 1:34:24.720 Barbara was never charged with anything and she cooperated with 1:34:24.760 --> 1:34:28.880 the police, even though according to Stephen, she was a 1:34:28.920 --> 1:34:29.920 perpetrator as well. 1:34:31.200 --> 1:34:32.559 So poor Stephen. 1:34:32.720 --> 1:34:35.160 Obviously, when he got home, his life was tough, like 1:34:35.560 --> 1:34:38.360 he had been allowed to smoke, to drink, to do 1:34:38.400 --> 1:34:42.160 whatever he wanted, and now his family expects their seven 1:34:42.240 --> 1:34:43.800 year old to come back to them. But he's like 1:34:43.840 --> 1:34:45.960 a fourteen year old and he's like kind of acting 1:34:46.000 --> 1:34:48.479 like a grown man because he's been treated like that. 1:34:49.160 --> 1:34:52.879 To some extent, his relationship with his father is very strained. 1:34:53.479 --> 1:34:57.320 He got some initial counseling and after that no additional 1:34:57.360 --> 1:35:00.360 treatment because his dad didn't believe in it, didn't say 1:35:00.400 --> 1:35:03.000 he didn't need it, didn't believe in therapy or psychologists. 1:35:03.120 --> 1:35:08.400 Very cool in this documentary. Even the mom who is 1:35:08.600 --> 1:35:10.840 freely talking in this documentary is like. 1:35:11.640 --> 1:35:13.799 Well, you know, I believe he had some good times 1:35:13.800 --> 1:35:15.639 with that guy. I think he had some good times. 1:35:15.680 --> 1:35:16.559 I mean also bad times. 1:35:16.600 --> 1:35:18.040 We don't want hm to remember the bad times, but 1:35:18.080 --> 1:35:20.000 there were you know, he had some good It's like, 1:35:20.160 --> 1:35:20.800 what the fuck. 1:35:20.840 --> 1:35:22.920 They're just like not comprehending trauma. 1:35:23.000 --> 1:35:27.360 In any way these people, and you know, this poor 1:35:27.400 --> 1:35:30.920 fucking kid, he's adorable. He's such a little heart throb. 1:35:31.040 --> 1:35:33.760 He comes back fourteen, he's so cute. He's going on 1:35:33.840 --> 1:35:37.439 all these talk shows, like Bravely talking about this ordeal. 1:35:37.479 --> 1:35:37.960 He went on. 1:35:38.360 --> 1:35:41.519 Everybody's asking him all these questions. He did get married 1:35:41.520 --> 1:35:43.639 in nineteen eighty five to a seventeen year old named 1:35:43.680 --> 1:35:47.040 Jody Edmondson. He sold his story for thirty thousand dollars, 1:35:47.280 --> 1:35:50.439 which eventually became the NBC mini series I Know my 1:35:50.479 --> 1:35:54.559 first name is Steven, which forty million people watched, which 1:35:54.600 --> 1:35:56.519 at the time, it's like we all had appointment. Tell 1:35:56.560 --> 1:36:00.840 everybody was watching stuff like this, like made for TV movies, miniseries, 1:36:00.920 --> 1:36:03.360 like we all watch the same stuff. So that's like 1:36:03.400 --> 1:36:05.320 Super Bowl numbers, like the number of people that watch 1:36:05.360 --> 1:36:07.960 this kid's story. So the story was quite huge. He 1:36:08.000 --> 1:36:10.759 was being interviewed everywhere. It got nominated for an Emmy. 1:36:11.280 --> 1:36:15.879 Stephen told this press outlet, the Santa Rosa Press Democrat, quote, 1:36:16.000 --> 1:36:18.040 my hope with the movie is that some kid sees 1:36:18.080 --> 1:36:20.280 it and gets up the nerve to tell someone and 1:36:20.360 --> 1:36:22.880 try to come home. And he didn't want his life 1:36:22.920 --> 1:36:27.200 depict it as a horror story. He says so ironically. 1:36:27.280 --> 1:36:30.000 The night before the Emmys in September of nineteen eighty nine, 1:36:30.200 --> 1:36:34.280 sadly Stephen, riding on his motorcycle coming home from a 1:36:34.360 --> 1:36:37.479 job as a pizza delivery driver to his wife and 1:36:37.520 --> 1:36:39.559 his two small kids, who were like three and two 1:36:39.600 --> 1:36:42.639 at the time, was killed in a hit and run accident. 1:36:42.920 --> 1:36:45.439 He was not wearing a helmet. He suffered head trauma, 1:36:45.800 --> 1:36:48.240 and at the age of twenty four, he passed. So 1:36:49.160 --> 1:36:54.360 super super horrible and sad, and Kenneth Parnell out of 1:36:54.439 --> 1:36:57.679 jail after five years. He got less time in jail 1:36:57.800 --> 1:37:01.440 than that kid got away from his family sexually abused constantly. 1:37:02.280 --> 1:37:05.920 I have in the in the documentary, people are screaming 1:37:05.960 --> 1:37:08.439 at the lawyers, going why is the sentence? 1:37:08.520 --> 1:37:10.360 Why? Why? Why is the sentence so little? 1:37:10.560 --> 1:37:12.439 And no one's answering, and no one answers it in 1:37:12.439 --> 1:37:15.040 the door like it's some kind of statutes or whatever 1:37:15.240 --> 1:37:17.600 like in the state that it makes no sense to me. 1:37:18.080 --> 1:37:22.320 But he just gets almost no time for seven years 1:37:22.320 --> 1:37:24.840 of forcible kidnapping. And I don't know why they didn't 1:37:24.840 --> 1:37:27.160 go after any sexual abuse charges. I thought maybe the 1:37:27.240 --> 1:37:31.120 kid wouldn't testify and then you kind of maybe can't 1:37:31.360 --> 1:37:35.080 do you can't have a without being able to confront 1:37:35.080 --> 1:37:40.280 your accuser or whatever. But they the kid said in trial, 1:37:40.439 --> 1:37:42.800 they asked him, were you sexual assaulted? And he like 1:37:43.520 --> 1:37:48.200 quietly like confirmed it, like through like being very upset 1:37:48.240 --> 1:37:50.719 and like embarrassed. He confirmed that he was sexually assaulted 1:37:50.760 --> 1:37:54.160 at trial under oath. So I don't fucking know. But 1:37:54.320 --> 1:37:58.559 the good news is Parnell was obviously back on his 1:37:58.600 --> 1:37:59.639 bullshit very quickly. 1:37:59.680 --> 1:38:00.240 Who knows. 1:38:00.280 --> 1:38:02.200 I mean, if he went to jail in eighty one, 1:38:02.240 --> 1:38:05.679 he served five years. From eighty six to two thousand 1:38:05.720 --> 1:38:07.800 and two, we hear nothing from him. That's a pretty 1:38:07.840 --> 1:38:13.000 fucking long time, almost, Like what is that that sixteen 1:38:13.080 --> 1:38:16.120 years where he's definitely out there fucking molesting kids, for sure, 1:38:16.680 --> 1:38:19.160 But in two thousand and two he's back on his bullshit. 1:38:19.200 --> 1:38:21.920 He tries to buy a child for five hundred dollars. 1:38:22.240 --> 1:38:23.040 He's seventy one. 1:38:23.120 --> 1:38:26.439 He's suffering from much like the killer in the episode Dotson, 1:38:26.800 --> 1:38:29.840 he's suffering from diabetes and emphysema. He'd had a stroke. 1:38:30.120 --> 1:38:33.440 He needed around the clock care. He solicited his caregiver's 1:38:33.520 --> 1:38:37.439 sister to help procure a child with quote a clean rectum, 1:38:38.240 --> 1:38:43.120 so obviously the intention for sexual abuse was clear. He 1:38:43.200 --> 1:38:46.120 had the cash ready to buy the birth certificate and 1:38:46.200 --> 1:38:48.960 pay for the child on him. So he was arrested 1:38:49.000 --> 1:38:51.320 and he was eventually convicted of kidnap, of attempting to 1:38:51.360 --> 1:38:55.040 purchase a child, and attempted child molestation. And even though 1:38:55.080 --> 1:38:58.800 no actual victim existed, the prosecution argued that he had 1:38:58.840 --> 1:38:59.679 criminal intentions. 1:38:59.760 --> 1:39:00.240 They one. 1:39:00.400 --> 1:39:03.679 He got twenty five to life under California's three strikes law. 1:39:04.560 --> 1:39:08.160 I don't know why his sodomy charge didn't count or 1:39:08.200 --> 1:39:11.920 whatever towards the three strikes, but he did barely got 1:39:11.960 --> 1:39:13.640 any time for what he did to Steven. But he 1:39:13.720 --> 1:39:18.960 eventually did die in prison at seventy six from natural causes, 1:39:19.160 --> 1:39:21.559 you know, five years later. So he spent a total 1:39:21.560 --> 1:39:24.840 of ten years in jail for probably ruining the lives 1:39:24.840 --> 1:39:27.200 of dozens of children. But we only know about a 1:39:27.200 --> 1:39:30.639 few victims. And if you thought this couldn't get more 1:39:30.680 --> 1:39:33.920 fucked up and sad, remember that older brother, Carrie that 1:39:33.960 --> 1:39:36.519 I mentioned at the beginning, the oldest of the five kids. 1:39:37.120 --> 1:39:41.520 He's a fucking serial killer. He became in the nineties. 1:39:41.680 --> 1:39:45.280 The Yosemite Park killer. He killed four victims in nineteen 1:39:45.320 --> 1:39:48.920 ninety nine, two women and two teens. FBI agents tracked 1:39:48.960 --> 1:39:51.800 Carrie Stainer to the Laguna del Soul nudist resort. I 1:39:51.920 --> 1:39:54.280 just wanted to point out that he was apprehended at 1:39:54.320 --> 1:39:55.080 a newdist resort. 1:39:55.400 --> 1:39:59.240 They brought him in. He confessed. Authorities believed that he 1:39:59.320 --> 1:40:00.639 might have many more victims. 1:40:00.640 --> 1:40:03.160 There's like a few victims that they've listed that all 1:40:03.200 --> 1:40:04.960 disappeared at the time that he was killing people in 1:40:05.000 --> 1:40:07.519 the area, and he was sentenced to life. He's currently 1:40:07.840 --> 1:40:11.719 sixty three years old serving life at Pelican Base State Prison. 1:40:12.320 --> 1:40:18.040 But some people wanted to posture that he was jealous 1:40:18.040 --> 1:40:21.040 of all the attention his brother was getting, like because 1:40:21.040 --> 1:40:23.040 when he came back, he was like a celebrity. 1:40:23.120 --> 1:40:25.679 He was like, but he was also bullied, like kids 1:40:25.680 --> 1:40:28.639 were calling him the F word, slur, kids were making 1:40:28.680 --> 1:40:30.920 fun of him for things that happened to him when 1:40:30.920 --> 1:40:33.160 he was kidnapped. But his older brother was like, oh, 1:40:33.240 --> 1:40:35.280 but he's on TV. He's getting all this attention this 1:40:35.320 --> 1:40:35.639 and that. 1:40:36.160 --> 1:40:39.040 But then people also say that Carrie had these fucked 1:40:39.080 --> 1:40:40.719 up tendencies even as like a child. 1:40:40.800 --> 1:40:46.360 Well, I'm also questioning the parents the original parents like 1:40:47.320 --> 1:40:50.200 we're not gonna get therapy. Our kids are k like, oh, 1:40:50.240 --> 1:40:54.480 he probably had good times, Like they're probably twisted fucks too. Yeah. 1:40:54.640 --> 1:40:57.280 Well, I'm gonna recommend the documentary for our what would 1:40:57.320 --> 1:41:01.160 Sister Peg Do? So I'll get to that. But that 1:41:01.280 --> 1:41:04.000 has a whole section about Carrie. So if people want 1:41:04.000 --> 1:41:07.040 to learn more about Carrie and like his crimes, that 1:41:07.200 --> 1:41:08.400 is in that doc as well. 1:41:08.720 --> 1:41:09.920 But I wanted to keep it. 1:41:10.000 --> 1:41:12.479 More to the crime focused in this episode, so I 1:41:12.479 --> 1:41:14.599 didn't get fully into all of Carrie's crimes. 1:41:14.640 --> 1:41:19.280 But yeah, it's pretty leak. 1:41:19.479 --> 1:41:22.200 But the parents, the mom's interviewed all through the documentary 1:41:22.280 --> 1:41:24.800 and she's I would just. 1:41:24.760 --> 1:41:27.439 Say a little bit too Lucy goosey with like the. 1:41:27.400 --> 1:41:31.360 Way she's talking, like yeah, Steven had some good times 1:41:31.360 --> 1:41:34.240 there and like, yeah, my husband just didn't believe in therapy, 1:41:34.280 --> 1:41:35.280 so he didn't go to therapy. 1:41:35.360 --> 1:41:39.599 But you know, like she's just really I don't know. 1:41:40.200 --> 1:41:43.080 Yeah, And the sisters are interviewed in the doc as well. 1:41:43.200 --> 1:41:46.240 The sisters are interviewed and one of the sisters goes, 1:41:46.280 --> 1:41:46.840 I feel bad. 1:41:47.000 --> 1:41:50.040 I was such a nosy little sister that I kept 1:41:50.080 --> 1:41:52.559 asking Steven about all the things that happened to him, 1:41:53.000 --> 1:41:55.479 that this guy Parnell commit these crimes that he committed 1:41:55.479 --> 1:41:59.040 against him. And he eventually told me, and I wish 1:41:59.080 --> 1:42:01.439 I never asked because they were like, why do you 1:42:01.439 --> 1:42:04.880 wish you didn't ask because now you know? Or because 1:42:04.880 --> 1:42:05.559 he had to tell you? 1:42:05.600 --> 1:42:07.640 And she's like both, I mean, like now I know, 1:42:07.760 --> 1:42:11.840 like the horrific stuff he went through, and but you know, 1:42:11.880 --> 1:42:13.400 it seemed like he was really trying to turn his 1:42:13.439 --> 1:42:16.360 life around. Like there's cute pictures of his kids like 1:42:16.439 --> 1:42:18.600 playing with him and stuff, Steven Stainer, and it's just 1:42:18.640 --> 1:42:21.479 so sad he got to this accident, and you know, 1:42:21.560 --> 1:42:26.040 but he had such a like fucking tough life. Kidnapped 1:42:26.040 --> 1:42:30.480 at seven, returned at twenty four, a moment of minor celebrity. 1:42:30.760 --> 1:42:33.080 Your parents don't let you get any therapy for your trauma, 1:42:34.040 --> 1:42:36.800 married with two kids that are went by twenty four, 1:42:36.920 --> 1:42:38.920 you know, and trying to support them with like little 1:42:39.000 --> 1:42:41.200 jobs and stuff, and seemed like he was trying to 1:42:41.200 --> 1:42:42.000 get is get. 1:42:41.960 --> 1:42:42.559 It all together. 1:42:42.680 --> 1:42:45.799 But I think he had substance abuse issues also, probably 1:42:45.800 --> 1:42:48.479 from his trauma. But being allowed to start drinking when 1:42:48.520 --> 1:42:54.599 you're fourteen, you know, it's fucked but in this episode, 1:42:55.240 --> 1:42:59.679 it's thirty years that he's gone, so. 1:43:01.240 --> 1:43:04.559 It's less in real life, but still not great. It's 1:43:04.600 --> 1:43:07.559 so fucked up. It's like you need contingency play. You 1:43:07.560 --> 1:43:09.240 have to like tell your kid, I would I would 1:43:09.280 --> 1:43:15.240 never give you up. Yeah, I would never sign you away. Yeah. 1:43:15.520 --> 1:43:18.439 But I wonder, like, yeah, I wonder. I mean, not 1:43:18.560 --> 1:43:22.519 that they're always the same writers, but like this is 1:43:22.560 --> 1:43:25.720 a this is a dawn to noon episode, and she 1:43:25.880 --> 1:43:28.519 writes apparently a lot of the dark ones. But I 1:43:28.600 --> 1:43:33.759 wonder where she got the idea for the catfish thing, because, 1:43:33.800 --> 1:43:35.880 like I said, I couldn't find anything from before that. 1:43:36.040 --> 1:43:41.000 But maybe there were like thwarted attempts that they read about. 1:43:41.040 --> 1:43:41.840 You know, they were like. 1:43:42.479 --> 1:43:47.160 People posting stuff like cause it's not like revenge. What 1:43:47.200 --> 1:43:49.880 do you call revenge child's what do you call revenge? 1:43:49.920 --> 1:43:52.639 Sex of use images? Is that what they're called? No? 1:43:52.680 --> 1:43:55.040 Iways, there was some kind of thing, but we looked 1:43:55.040 --> 1:43:57.400 it up, but like it doesn't feel like that because 1:43:57.400 --> 1:43:59.680 you're instigating an actual attack, you know. 1:44:00.080 --> 1:44:03.639 Yeah, so it's cyber exploitation or non consensual porn. 1:44:04.240 --> 1:44:08.080 Yeah, okay, cyber exploitations. It's like it's it's like there's 1:44:08.080 --> 1:44:08.880 no name for it. 1:44:08.880 --> 1:44:12.760 It's kind of like a well, yeah, because. 1:44:12.360 --> 1:44:15.120 Catish, she seems a little bit too cute. Catfish she 1:44:15.280 --> 1:44:16.640 is like, oh, by the way, I told you I 1:44:16.720 --> 1:44:18.439 was like a hot twenty year old, but I'm actually 1:44:18.439 --> 1:44:21.719 a sixty year old woman living in Canada. Like you know, catfish, 1:44:21.720 --> 1:44:23.559 she seems a little bit too cute for like setting 1:44:23.640 --> 1:44:27.639 up a post to get someone attacked. So I don't 1:44:27.680 --> 1:44:29.240 know if there's a name for it, but we got 1:44:29.240 --> 1:44:31.960 to find out. But anyway, we have a we have 1:44:31.960 --> 1:44:35.519 an interview coming up, so God cleanse your palette, as 1:44:35.520 --> 1:44:38.160 we try to do from this horrible crime. 1:44:39.200 --> 1:44:44.040 But or image based sexual abuse, often laws use more 1:44:44.080 --> 1:44:48.080 precise language like intimate visual depiction whatever. We just shouldn't 1:44:48.080 --> 1:44:52.320 be calling it porn like fuck. Then it's easier to 1:44:52.320 --> 1:44:54.479 shame the person and be like, well, you shouldn't have 1:44:54.520 --> 1:44:57.000 even taken Why did you do that? Why'd you do that? 1:44:57.240 --> 1:45:00.280 And it's like yeah, yeah, yeah, all right, yeah, get 1:45:00.320 --> 1:45:01.920 us to the guest, Get us to the guest. 1:45:09.640 --> 1:45:12.640 Our guest today is a musician and actor who you 1:45:12.680 --> 1:45:15.919 may recognize from appearances on shows like Rubicon, Blue Bloods, 1:45:16.000 --> 1:45:18.439 and as the Double Booked Soup guy Eric from Sex 1:45:18.479 --> 1:45:20.320 and the City, but we know him best as the 1:45:20.360 --> 1:45:24.479 kidnapping victim turned malicious stalker ex boyfriend Tyler Brunson slash 1:45:24.720 --> 1:45:28.559 Marshall Kohler. Please enjoy our chat with the wonderful John 1:45:28.600 --> 1:45:29.360 Patrick Walker. 1:45:29.920 --> 1:45:33.320 We're very excited to have you a classic s VU. 1:45:33.720 --> 1:45:39.520 Yeah really truly, such an insane episode. 1:45:39.880 --> 1:45:40.799 Totally bonkers. 1:45:42.200 --> 1:45:43.960 I don't know a lot. You get to freak out 1:45:44.000 --> 1:45:44.920 in different rooms. 1:45:45.120 --> 1:45:47.799 I get to chew the scenery, man, I get to cry. 1:45:47.920 --> 1:45:49.960 I get to like run from the courtroom and get 1:45:49.960 --> 1:45:51.000 tackled by police. 1:45:51.320 --> 1:45:54.240 It's like when people ask me, like, if I can 1:45:54.320 --> 1:45:57.040 meet an s V you, what what I do? I say, 1:45:57.120 --> 1:45:58.599 I want to freak out in the courtroom. 1:45:59.120 --> 1:46:00.240 Yeah, that's total. 1:46:00.520 --> 1:46:02.760 But you also get a dog bite, which I liked 1:46:02.840 --> 1:46:03.160 as well. 1:46:03.240 --> 1:46:05.760 Dog bite, there were injuries. I mean I watched it 1:46:05.800 --> 1:46:08.519 this morning. I haven't seen that long. Oh yeah, oh 1:46:08.600 --> 1:46:08.960 my god. 1:46:09.120 --> 1:46:11.360 I just like our listeners aren't going to see you, 1:46:11.479 --> 1:46:13.120 but I do just want to let them know that 1:46:13.160 --> 1:46:16.960 your bowl cut is not happening anymore. That is a 1:46:17.520 --> 1:46:19.880 that was the character choice, I guess. Was that how 1:46:19.880 --> 1:46:21.080 you were wearing your hair at the time. 1:46:21.520 --> 1:46:24.000 No, no, no, that was a character choice. You know, 1:46:24.160 --> 1:46:27.479 I had learned the hard way being a guest actor 1:46:27.560 --> 1:46:29.600 on some shows in my you know, my early in 1:46:29.640 --> 1:46:32.200 my career, that you you got to show up with 1:46:32.240 --> 1:46:32.759 an idea. 1:46:32.880 --> 1:46:33.080 You know. 1:46:33.120 --> 1:46:35.240 I made the mistake early on of being like, well 1:46:35.280 --> 1:46:37.160 the director will tell me what to do, and like a, 1:46:37.360 --> 1:46:39.599 you know, they don't have time for that bullshit. They don't, 1:46:39.640 --> 1:46:42.719 they don't care. You got to come in with your character. 1:46:43.080 --> 1:46:45.720 And so with this particular gig, I knew. I was like, 1:46:45.960 --> 1:46:48.120 I'm and I put the hair down and I just 1:46:48.320 --> 1:46:50.360 was like, I'm going to make a choice, make a 1:46:50.360 --> 1:46:53.479 bold choice, and go for it. And you know, it 1:46:53.560 --> 1:46:53.920 was fun. 1:46:54.400 --> 1:46:56.320 What did you see for him? Like is he cutting 1:46:56.400 --> 1:46:59.800 his own hair? Is this some trauma? Is he going 1:46:59.840 --> 1:47:00.599 to the same barn? 1:47:01.439 --> 1:47:04.760 You know, it's probably cutting his own hair. He's not 1:47:05.040 --> 1:47:09.160 doing well, he's he's he's he's yeah, but but he. 1:47:09.160 --> 1:47:12.000 Does just a high job like clearance job at the 1:47:12.040 --> 1:47:15.559 Detarmament of Defense and living in Manhattan. It is like 1:47:15.760 --> 1:47:16.479 kind of crazy. 1:47:16.840 --> 1:47:18.640 Yeah, yeah, I know he was. I mean, he was 1:47:18.640 --> 1:47:21.760 probably making some money, but yeah, he had issues. The 1:47:21.800 --> 1:47:23.000 guy had some serious issues. 1:47:23.320 --> 1:47:26.400 And you get kidnapped, you buy a molester, it's going 1:47:26.439 --> 1:47:27.920 to affect your love life, You're. 1:47:27.800 --> 1:47:29.960 Going to be a stalker. You know, these things all 1:47:30.040 --> 1:47:30.800 lead to each other. 1:47:32.320 --> 1:47:35.040 But what are your thoughts when you watch it? So 1:47:35.520 --> 1:47:37.959 you know, this was like twelve years ago, maybe more. 1:47:38.760 --> 1:47:41.240 Like what did you feel two thousand and nine. 1:47:41.360 --> 1:47:44.759 Yeah, it was literally almost sixteen years ago. And again, 1:47:44.800 --> 1:47:47.200 we always appreciate people coming on our podcast to talk 1:47:47.240 --> 1:47:50.480 about something they did sixteen years ago, so thank you. 1:47:50.479 --> 1:47:53.880 You know, what I remember interestingly is, you know, I 1:47:54.120 --> 1:47:56.920 had auditioned for SCU a lot, as all like young 1:47:57.000 --> 1:47:58.840 actors in New York at that time had done, and 1:47:59.240 --> 1:48:01.519 was frustrated with the fact that I hadn't booked, you know, 1:48:01.720 --> 1:48:05.519 a gig on the show yet. And when this came along, 1:48:05.720 --> 1:48:07.800 it was the first one that really felt like kind 1:48:07.800 --> 1:48:10.479 of a meaty role, and I really worked hard on 1:48:10.520 --> 1:48:12.479 the audition and I remember I went in and I 1:48:12.520 --> 1:48:15.760 felt great, you know, they seemed to really respond and 1:48:15.840 --> 1:48:17.639 I was like, oh my god, I think this might happen. 1:48:18.080 --> 1:48:20.080 And a couple days later made it was like they 1:48:20.120 --> 1:48:22.880 went another way. So I didn't get the job right, 1:48:23.240 --> 1:48:25.240 So I was like, damn it. I really thought this 1:48:25.400 --> 1:48:29.200 was going to happen. So I don't remember the exact timeline. 1:48:29.200 --> 1:48:31.719 I don't remember if they started shooting immediately, but within 1:48:31.920 --> 1:48:34.400 a short amount of time, maybe it was just a 1:48:34.400 --> 1:48:36.799 couple of days. I got a call and they said, well, 1:48:37.360 --> 1:48:41.080 there had been apparently internal argument about who to cast. 1:48:41.439 --> 1:48:43.479 Some people really want to do some people really wanted 1:48:43.479 --> 1:48:45.280 this other guy. They went with the other guy, and 1:48:45.360 --> 1:48:48.879 after a day of shooting, they realized they'd made a mistake. 1:48:50.040 --> 1:48:52.280 And so I don't know if this guy wasn't giving 1:48:52.320 --> 1:48:53.920 them what they wanted or if he broke his leg. 1:48:54.000 --> 1:48:56.920 I really don't know. But they called me back and 1:48:56.920 --> 1:48:58.599 they were like, would you come and do the job? 1:48:59.240 --> 1:49:02.320 So I got, like, you know, a second chance to. 1:49:02.640 --> 1:49:05.360 Like and like tomorrow right because they were already shooting. 1:49:05.400 --> 1:49:08.360 You had to be like they were already shooting. So 1:49:08.479 --> 1:49:10.880 I'm like, Okay, the hair is getting combed forward. I 1:49:10.880 --> 1:49:12.880 gotta I gotta walk in there with my character. I 1:49:12.880 --> 1:49:16.280 gotta be ready to kick ass. And yeah, so it 1:49:16.360 --> 1:49:18.880 was like it was a really funny and exciting way 1:49:18.920 --> 1:49:20.519 to kind of book the gig. 1:49:20.560 --> 1:49:23.880 You really had all night, huh. Yeah. 1:49:23.920 --> 1:49:26.400 So when you book the when you get like an audition, 1:49:26.600 --> 1:49:29.639 obviously you only get like a scene, maybe two scenes, right, 1:49:29.680 --> 1:49:32.320 So you didn't know like the whole premise of this script. 1:49:32.640 --> 1:49:34.800 When you got the full script, were you like, what 1:49:34.840 --> 1:49:37.040 an actual hell is going on here? 1:49:37.200 --> 1:49:40.679 Like, no, this is so bunkers get like aud twist. 1:49:40.800 --> 1:49:42.160 It's so nuts. 1:49:42.520 --> 1:49:44.400 It's like a Darth Vader moment at the end, like 1:49:44.439 --> 1:49:46.400 oh my god, you're my father. Wow. 1:49:46.760 --> 1:49:50.040 And he likes your hand through the jail bars you. 1:49:50.000 --> 1:49:52.439 Know, yeah, we like embraced through the jail bars. Yeah, 1:49:52.520 --> 1:49:54.759 in my orange jumpsuit. I mean I got to do everything. 1:49:54.760 --> 1:49:55.400 I really got. 1:49:55.240 --> 1:49:56.799 To show everything. 1:49:56.960 --> 1:49:59.439 It was really you had a lot of face to 1:49:59.479 --> 1:50:03.080 face with Stabler kept going you gotta move on, as 1:50:03.160 --> 1:50:05.960 if like there's not some kind of heavy mental illness 1:50:05.960 --> 1:50:09.200 that's happening when someone is stalking and attacking their ex. 1:50:09.280 --> 1:50:11.760 He's like, come on, she's not worth it. Move on. 1:50:12.160 --> 1:50:13.679 It's totally guy talk. 1:50:14.840 --> 1:50:18.840 But like how was working with the with with Maloney, 1:50:18.880 --> 1:50:19.519 with the cast. 1:50:20.080 --> 1:50:22.760 They were totally nice. You know, these people were just 1:50:22.960 --> 1:50:26.479 total pros. They'd already done a bajillion episodes and you know, 1:50:26.479 --> 1:50:28.519 who knew they were going to do a bajillion more. 1:50:28.880 --> 1:50:30.960 I mean you figured they it would probably run forever. 1:50:31.320 --> 1:50:35.400 It did, but they were total pros, totally nice. Mariska 1:50:35.479 --> 1:50:38.320 especially was like very friendly and very sweet. 1:50:39.000 --> 1:50:39.200 You know. 1:50:39.320 --> 1:50:41.639 The other thing I learned technically when you're a guest 1:50:41.680 --> 1:50:45.280 on the show is that they always shoot your coverage first. 1:50:46.000 --> 1:50:48.480 So you're like the guy who's nervous and in the outsider, 1:50:48.520 --> 1:50:50.920 but they're shooting you first. Why so that it gives 1:50:50.920 --> 1:50:53.280 the stars of the show a chance to like do 1:50:53.360 --> 1:50:56.280 it a few times without having to be on camera 1:50:56.320 --> 1:50:59.320 because they're still like learning their lines. It's like episode 1:50:59.360 --> 1:51:01.960 one million, Okay, what am I doing in this scene? 1:51:02.000 --> 1:51:04.560 You know, not that they weren't professional and like what 1:51:04.600 --> 1:51:05.080 they were doing. 1:51:05.120 --> 1:51:07.960 I'm also wondering if it's because you the guest stars 1:51:08.040 --> 1:51:10.200 usually have the emotional hard ship to do. 1:51:11.520 --> 1:51:13.679 But really, if they were going to do a favor 1:51:13.760 --> 1:51:16.599 of the guests, they would shoot you last. In other words, yeah, 1:51:16.640 --> 1:51:18.200 because then it gives you a chance. You've done it 1:51:18.200 --> 1:51:20.680 now a few times where the camera's not on you, 1:51:20.720 --> 1:51:23.519 but you're like doing the scene, rehearsing, getting comfortable with it, 1:51:23.640 --> 1:51:26.920 and then they turned the camera around. Okay you but 1:51:27.160 --> 1:51:29.280 with guests, no, you're the bottom of the barrel. You 1:51:29.360 --> 1:51:31.760 gotta just you gotta be ready on the first I mean, 1:51:31.760 --> 1:51:33.880 they'll they'll do like a master with everybody, but then 1:51:34.120 --> 1:51:36.479 as far as the close ups, it's always like it's 1:51:36.479 --> 1:51:38.720 on you first. And that was another thing that I 1:51:38.760 --> 1:51:40.920 was prepared for this time, which I'd been not prepared 1:51:40.960 --> 1:51:43.600 for previously. So I kind of came in there like 1:51:44.240 --> 1:51:46.479 girded my loins and was like, all right, I'm going 1:51:46.560 --> 1:51:48.320 to be with all these sort of famous actors and 1:51:48.520 --> 1:51:51.360 iced tea and you know, everybody, and and it's kind 1:51:51.400 --> 1:51:54.320 of intense because you don't you know, you're nobody did that. 1:51:54.400 --> 1:51:56.240 You're just like some some guy. And they were all 1:51:56.280 --> 1:51:59.479 friendly and everything, but it was it was an experience, 1:51:59.720 --> 1:52:02.240 you know, having to bring all that kind of emotion 1:52:02.360 --> 1:52:03.360 and be the crazy guy. 1:52:03.400 --> 1:52:09.080 And it was fun. Yeah, freak, yeah, freak. But the quote, 1:52:09.720 --> 1:52:12.680 he has a quote that's so relevant today that a 1:52:12.760 --> 1:52:15.839 tyrant will always find a pretext for their tyranny. Like, dude, 1:52:16.439 --> 1:52:17.600 such a good quote. 1:52:17.880 --> 1:52:20.000 I got a little some goosebumps this morning when I 1:52:20.040 --> 1:52:23.080 was watching that. I was like, timely, no. 1:52:23.120 --> 1:52:26.599 That because I'm watching one about this guy who just 1:52:26.640 --> 1:52:30.040 did a rampage and is killing quote unquote anchor babies. 1:52:30.800 --> 1:52:32.880 And that was from season ten too. 1:52:33.040 --> 1:52:35.160 It's just like, yeah, yeah. 1:52:35.960 --> 1:52:39.200 It's sad how much it hasn't changed or gotten worse. 1:52:39.280 --> 1:52:42.040 I don't know, right right, right, No, I know it's back. 1:52:42.800 --> 1:52:44.719 We're living in strange times for sure. 1:52:44.960 --> 1:52:48.080 Yeah, now they are all right, well we mentioned it, 1:52:48.160 --> 1:52:51.439 we can move on. We've touched on it. 1:52:52.080 --> 1:52:55.760 We love to touch on fascism just we just yeah, 1:52:56.000 --> 1:53:01.000 touch sean of fascism of the fash. But well, like 1:53:01.160 --> 1:53:04.200 we we love a courtroom meltdown. But I'm struggling to 1:53:04.320 --> 1:53:06.840 think of another person who actually had to sprint out 1:53:06.840 --> 1:53:10.040 of the courtroom and be chased print that happened before, Lisa, 1:53:10.040 --> 1:53:11.600 that you could think of, Like, I can't think of 1:53:11.600 --> 1:53:14.360 something get tackled earlier, right, they get tackled quicker. You 1:53:14.400 --> 1:53:17.320 made it out, You're like in the hallway, Like did 1:53:17.360 --> 1:53:19.720 they they did all go on, Yeah, they did all 1:53:19.720 --> 1:53:21.760 the choreo with you for that, Like how much did 1:53:21.760 --> 1:53:22.920 you get to rehearse. 1:53:22.600 --> 1:53:25.320 That a little? You know? We had these guys dressed 1:53:25.360 --> 1:53:27.160 as cops and they had to wrestle me and they 1:53:27.160 --> 1:53:29.400 were like just really struggle against them and they won't 1:53:29.439 --> 1:53:32.080 hurt even just really you know, and I mean it 1:53:32.120 --> 1:53:33.680 was so much fun. It really was. It was like 1:53:33.720 --> 1:53:35.960 an actor's dream as far as like a guest role 1:53:36.000 --> 1:53:39.280 on SVU, because I ended up honestly, I don't remember 1:53:39.280 --> 1:53:41.880 if it happened before I did this episode or after, 1:53:41.960 --> 1:53:44.920 but I within a year or so on either side. 1:53:44.960 --> 1:53:47.040 I did a you know, I had three lines as 1:53:47.040 --> 1:53:49.519 a lawyer, like a young attorney, and it was just dry, 1:53:49.600 --> 1:53:51.280 you know, it was It wasn't an SVU. It was 1:53:51.280 --> 1:53:55.080 a It was a regular Law and Order episode where 1:53:55.120 --> 1:53:56.840 I just played like an attorney with a couple of 1:53:56.880 --> 1:53:59.960 lines like in an office, and so that would be 1:54:00.200 --> 1:54:02.439 you know, a more typical kind of like just not 1:54:02.439 --> 1:54:04.920 not a lot to sink your teeth into. But but honestly, 1:54:04.960 --> 1:54:07.200 with this, with with this role, it was just. 1:54:08.040 --> 1:54:12.479 Yeah and unusual because like the victim would have more 1:54:12.520 --> 1:54:15.800 of the freaking earth stuff after like you're you were 1:54:15.960 --> 1:54:17.960 the guy. 1:54:17.920 --> 1:54:20.000 Yeah, I was like the p and a victim in a. 1:54:20.040 --> 1:54:23.240 Sense, yes, which is something that the show does all 1:54:23.240 --> 1:54:24.000 the time. 1:54:24.240 --> 1:54:26.400 Right right, And we haven't mentioned that. I also got 1:54:26.400 --> 1:54:27.599 to go on hunger Strike. 1:54:27.800 --> 1:54:30.639 Oh yeah, you looked real rough then, and they. 1:54:30.640 --> 1:54:33.440 Put the circles under the eyes of you know. 1:54:33.840 --> 1:54:36.760 You looked rough. Yeah, that was good. That was good. 1:54:36.840 --> 1:54:41.760 Yeah, you got you were so dramatic strike like, but 1:54:41.800 --> 1:54:44.680 the hunger strike implies that you are innocent and you 1:54:44.760 --> 1:54:47.880 are not, like you know, like you're like I'm not 1:54:47.920 --> 1:54:51.640 eating until this tyranny fall, and it's like, but you 1:54:52.240 --> 1:54:56.240 did it, I know, I kind of yead No. 1:54:56.280 --> 1:54:57.640 I was just going to say, it's like, in a way, 1:54:57.720 --> 1:55:00.400 by the end of the show, we've forgotten a about 1:55:00.640 --> 1:55:03.680 the victim, the woman, I mean, she kind of it's 1:55:03.680 --> 1:55:06.280 not really about her for the last like, you know, 1:55:07.280 --> 1:55:09.360 a quarter of the show, it's about me and the dad. 1:55:09.880 --> 1:55:11.960 So it's very funny how it just feered away from 1:55:12.040 --> 1:55:14.960 the actual crime. I committed to this kind of emotional 1:55:15.600 --> 1:55:17.440 reunion with even. 1:55:17.200 --> 1:55:20.840 The guy who ended up physically assaulting her also is 1:55:20.840 --> 1:55:28.000 on the standing like I'm the victim here, like. 1:55:24.360 --> 1:55:28.560 I thought it was a rape fantasy whatever. 1:55:28.640 --> 1:55:31.760 But you're also trolling the sites. You're obviously a problem. 1:55:33.840 --> 1:55:36.640 So you like have done a bunch of TV stuff, 1:55:36.640 --> 1:55:38.720 But are you a theater person as well. 1:55:39.240 --> 1:55:42.760 I've had a very you know, strange and varied career. 1:55:42.760 --> 1:55:45.720 I've done a little bit of sort of everything. I'm 1:55:45.760 --> 1:55:49.600 currently working on the world premiere of The New Wrinkle 1:55:49.680 --> 1:55:53.920 in Time, musical which Inger's crossed. I don't want to, 1:55:54.280 --> 1:55:56.080 you know, jinx it, but I think there's a very 1:55:56.080 --> 1:55:59.720 good chance it'll be coming to New York. Okay, don't 1:55:59.760 --> 1:56:01.600 quote me on that, even though I just said it 1:56:01.680 --> 1:56:05.640 on your podcast. Nothing official at all. But we're currently 1:56:05.680 --> 1:56:08.720 at the Arena stage in Washington, d C. And we're 1:56:08.720 --> 1:56:11.520 in previews and the show is very, very exciting, and 1:56:11.560 --> 1:56:16.160 I love the show very much, So you know, we're 1:56:16.160 --> 1:56:17.920 doing that here and then we'll kind of see what 1:56:17.960 --> 1:56:19.920 the next what the next part of the journey is. 1:56:19.920 --> 1:56:22.240 But it's it's very good. It's very good. 1:56:22.280 --> 1:56:23.200 Oh that's awesome. 1:56:23.640 --> 1:56:27.520 Ringle and Time is like very Madeline Langele is the 1:56:27.560 --> 1:56:30.520 author of that. Yes, like that's like from my childhood. 1:56:31.080 --> 1:56:33.320 That's like a childhood. So I think like a lot 1:56:33.360 --> 1:56:35.800 of people that are into nostalgia are going to. 1:56:35.800 --> 1:56:38.200 Want to go. It's a beloved book. And the thing 1:56:38.280 --> 1:56:40.280 is young kids are still reading it and loving it. 1:56:40.360 --> 1:56:42.840 Like that's what's kind of it's a brilliant thing to 1:56:42.920 --> 1:56:45.760 adapt for the stage because you've got to You've got 1:56:45.760 --> 1:56:50.000 a built in fan base of young kids who love 1:56:50.080 --> 1:56:52.040 this book. And for good reason. It's a it's an 1:56:52.040 --> 1:56:52.680 amazing book. 1:56:53.040 --> 1:56:55.800 How are you enjoying? Are not your time in DC? 1:56:55.960 --> 1:56:57.520 But also finish what you're going to say. 1:56:57.400 --> 1:56:59.480 Well, I was just going to say, interestingly, my wife, 1:56:59.560 --> 1:57:00.560 the actor Hope. 1:57:00.440 --> 1:57:03.840 Davis familiar, We're going to talk to you about that. 1:57:04.000 --> 1:57:08.120 Okay, okay, she and this is obviously coincidence, but she 1:57:08.200 --> 1:57:12.480 did the fiftieth anniversary audiobook of A Wrinkling Time Crazy 1:57:12.840 --> 1:57:14.960 that came out, like I want to say, six seven, 1:57:15.000 --> 1:57:18.720 eight years ago, just coincidence. So it was funny because 1:57:18.720 --> 1:57:21.680 when I first got the workshop of this Wrinkling Time 1:57:21.760 --> 1:57:23.600 musical a year ago, we did we came down here 1:57:23.600 --> 1:57:25.960 to do a workshop for a couple of weeks. I 1:57:26.480 --> 1:57:28.560 had not had the chance to listen to her reading 1:57:28.600 --> 1:57:30.880 of the book. But I finally decided this was the 1:57:30.880 --> 1:57:33.800 perfect excuse to, you know, take the six hours or 1:57:33.800 --> 1:57:35.960 whatever it was and listen to my wife reading A 1:57:35.960 --> 1:57:38.120 Wrinkle in Time. So that was just a fun. 1:57:38.200 --> 1:57:38.320 Oh. 1:57:39.040 --> 1:57:42.680 Do you remember when your wife did her episode of 1:57:42.800 --> 1:57:46.760 Sview Born Psychopath where she plays the mother of a 1:57:46.880 --> 1:57:49.640 very very scary psychopath, scary path. 1:57:50.920 --> 1:57:54.040 It's scary. I know, I know she had a lot 1:57:54.080 --> 1:57:56.040 of fun doing that. I think that was more recently 1:57:56.080 --> 1:57:57.080 than mine if I recall that. 1:57:57.200 --> 1:58:00.360 Yes, yeah, hers was like season fifteen or something was 1:58:00.440 --> 1:58:01.680 season ten? 1:58:02.080 --> 1:58:02.840 Ten? Yeah? 1:58:03.000 --> 1:58:05.160 Ten? Yeah. So yeah, so she's. 1:58:05.080 --> 1:58:07.080 Are you like giving her tips? You're like, here's how 1:58:07.120 --> 1:58:08.920 you get in there and handle SVU. 1:58:09.280 --> 1:58:12.440 They're gonna do your coverage first, honey, So just be ready, ready, 1:58:12.680 --> 1:58:16.840 and comb the hair forward. I think that'll work. No, yeah, 1:58:16.880 --> 1:58:21.880 she's she's well versed with on screen acting, so she 1:58:21.920 --> 1:58:22.560 didn't really need to. 1:58:22.600 --> 1:58:24.120 Any You guys are a hip, cool couple. 1:58:24.320 --> 1:58:27.800 Yeah, we try, you know, we try to stay the. 1:58:27.760 --> 1:58:31.320 Red carpet photos are cool. You guys look you look great. 1:58:31.440 --> 1:58:33.160 Are you guys based in New York or LA? 1:58:33.400 --> 1:58:36.160 We're basically lived in LA for six years from twenty 1:58:36.160 --> 1:58:42.000 seventeen to twenty twenty three, but we've been before that 1:58:42.080 --> 1:58:43.800 and since then we've been back in New York. 1:58:43.920 --> 1:58:45.040 Okay, so we are. 1:58:45.200 --> 1:58:47.040 We are in Brooklyn. We have a house in Brooklyn. 1:58:47.200 --> 1:58:49.120 We talked to a lot of actors where their partner 1:58:49.200 --> 1:58:51.520 also acts, and we always ask. 1:58:51.520 --> 1:58:54.720 Like, oh, do you guys like run scenes together? Do 1:58:54.720 --> 1:58:57.000 you help each other with auditions or do you just 1:58:57.040 --> 1:58:58.320 like keep it separate with each other? 1:58:58.360 --> 1:59:01.240 Okay, no, we totally do. I mean you know, depending 1:59:01.320 --> 1:59:03.320 on what it is. I mean, my kids have helped 1:59:03.360 --> 1:59:06.879 me with auditions, yeah, because they're now like a college 1:59:06.880 --> 1:59:10.520 age and but my wife definitely has and vice versa. 1:59:11.360 --> 1:59:11.560 You know. 1:59:12.000 --> 1:59:13.880 I like that the kids are involved. 1:59:14.120 --> 1:59:15.120 Yeah, yeah, yeah. 1:59:15.240 --> 1:59:17.840 Are they doing the following in the family business or 1:59:17.840 --> 1:59:18.680 what you know. 1:59:18.760 --> 1:59:21.880 My eldest daughter just graduated college literally. 1:59:21.560 --> 1:59:23.760 Last weekends, coct and. 1:59:23.640 --> 1:59:26.320 For years, thank you. For years as a kid talked 1:59:26.320 --> 1:59:27.880 about wanting to be an actor. In fact, it was 1:59:27.880 --> 1:59:31.000 funny because there were several Christmases around the time Georgie 1:59:31.040 --> 1:59:35.640 was like a tween where she would give her Christmas 1:59:35.680 --> 1:59:38.080 wish list to mom, you know, to my wife, and 1:59:38.160 --> 1:59:40.600 it would be like whatever, you know, toys and whatever. 1:59:40.760 --> 1:59:42.680 And then I'd get a separate list that would always 1:59:42.680 --> 1:59:47.080 have an agent written on. I want an agent. And 1:59:47.120 --> 1:59:49.000 she kind of knew not to ask, Hope, but somehow 1:59:49.040 --> 1:59:51.560 she thought because I was like the softy that like 1:59:51.560 --> 1:59:53.360 I would, Yeah, I'm gonna get you. I'm gonna get 1:59:53.360 --> 1:59:55.600 you an agent for Christmas. You just you open up 1:59:55.600 --> 1:59:57.360 a giant box and they'll be an agent and there'll be. 1:59:57.360 --> 1:59:59.760 A guy in there with like uh yeah an eyes. 2:00:00.400 --> 2:00:02.720 Yeah you know, okay, rolling. 2:00:02.880 --> 2:00:06.960 Wearing a head piece, wearing like exactly microphone exactly. 2:00:07.480 --> 2:00:10.760 But but in recent years has has kind of decided 2:00:10.800 --> 2:00:13.320 maybe maybe not to pursue the acting. So we're like 2:00:13.480 --> 2:00:17.000 relieved enough anyway, and is now thinking of going to 2:00:17.080 --> 2:00:20.640 nursing school. So we're oh, yeah, yeah, wants to help 2:00:20.680 --> 2:00:22.400 people and one. 2:00:22.240 --> 2:00:24.480 Of the professions that I don't think AI will be 2:00:24.520 --> 2:00:25.840 able to take over as well. 2:00:26.320 --> 2:00:27.200 A great idea. 2:00:27.280 --> 2:00:28.400 Yeah, exactly. 2:00:28.440 --> 2:00:30.400 I have little kids, and I'm like, I don't know 2:00:30.400 --> 2:00:31.960 what they're going to do, Like by. 2:00:31.840 --> 2:00:36.400 The times, will there be jobs, maybe robot maintenance. I 2:00:36.440 --> 2:00:38.080 don't know what it's going to be. 2:00:38.760 --> 2:00:46.000 They'll be robot maintenance. So that's yeah, I don't know. Man, Yeah, 2:00:46.080 --> 2:00:48.400 maybe it'll just be universal basic income by then. 2:00:49.160 --> 2:00:52.760 We can dream, can't we. Yeah, well, I'll talk about 2:00:52.760 --> 2:00:56.920 another classic show. You were in Sex and the City. Hello, 2:00:57.240 --> 2:00:58.280 the guy who brings soup. 2:00:59.000 --> 2:01:00.000 They double booked us. 2:01:00.040 --> 2:01:02.200 It was all the double booking. 2:01:02.880 --> 2:01:06.000 Yeah, yeah, that's another classic episode. 2:01:06.120 --> 2:01:06.360 Yeah. 2:01:06.440 --> 2:01:09.080 That was also super fun, super fun. 2:01:08.880 --> 2:01:12.880 And that time period has a lot of overlap between 2:01:13.080 --> 2:01:16.280 SVU and Sex and the City Men. There's a lot 2:01:16.320 --> 2:01:17.920 of on the way. Yeah, there's just a lot. 2:01:17.960 --> 2:01:20.960 It's exciting totally. Yeah, that was like I think that 2:01:21.040 --> 2:01:23.280 was nineteen ninety nine that I shot that. That was 2:01:23.320 --> 2:01:26.600 episode season two of Sex and the City. It was 2:01:26.600 --> 2:01:28.360 still like a new show. It's so funny to think 2:01:28.400 --> 2:01:30.120 of it that way, but it was kind of like 2:01:30.160 --> 2:01:31.400 a new this new. 2:01:31.240 --> 2:01:33.280 Thing, Like I mean, besides the fact that you're doing 2:01:33.320 --> 2:01:36.000 this musical where I'm assuming you sing in the musical, 2:01:36.200 --> 2:01:39.040 you also are like doing music as a musician, Like. 2:01:39.640 --> 2:01:42.360 Yeah, I've been, I've been, you know, making records and 2:01:42.400 --> 2:01:47.040 putting out music, uh actively for like almost like thirteen 2:01:47.120 --> 2:01:50.320 fourteen years. I was always obsessed with music as a kid, 2:01:50.600 --> 2:01:52.720 was like writing songs when I was a little kid, 2:01:53.880 --> 2:01:56.760 was in bands like in high school and college. But 2:01:56.840 --> 2:01:59.400 as my career in my twenties, you know, got going 2:01:59.400 --> 2:02:00.880 and I got busy, I sort of put it to 2:02:00.920 --> 2:02:03.240 the side. But it was that funny thing where like 2:02:03.320 --> 2:02:07.200 in my early forties, I kind of rediscovered this this 2:02:07.640 --> 2:02:11.880 love of songwriting. And the thing that I found empowering 2:02:11.920 --> 2:02:15.880 about making music is that I could I could just 2:02:15.960 --> 2:02:17.680 choose to do it, you know. As an actor, so 2:02:17.720 --> 2:02:20.040 often you're sort of like pick me for the role, 2:02:20.240 --> 2:02:23.920 and you know, you're sort of disempowered by that, by 2:02:23.920 --> 2:02:26.240 that fact, unless you're creating your own content and like 2:02:26.480 --> 2:02:29.840 writing and producing your own work as an actor, you're 2:02:29.880 --> 2:02:32.360 really at the mercy of others. And so with music, 2:02:32.400 --> 2:02:35.480 I found it was just super kind of soul satisfying 2:02:35.560 --> 2:02:38.400 to make records because it's something I love to do 2:02:38.440 --> 2:02:40.000 that gives me a lot of joy and that I 2:02:40.080 --> 2:02:42.040 don't have to wait around for permission to do it, 2:02:42.120 --> 2:02:45.600 you know. And so it's been a very fulfilling little 2:02:45.760 --> 2:02:47.200 side journey that I've been on. 2:02:47.600 --> 2:02:51.280 Yeah, we talked to another actress like earlier that had 2:02:51.320 --> 2:02:53.680 similar thoughts that was doing music and was like, yeah, 2:02:53.680 --> 2:02:55.960 it's just like the acting is so much rejection, and 2:02:56.000 --> 2:02:58.280 with the music, I can just make my music, you know. 2:02:58.560 --> 2:02:58.800 Yeah. 2:02:59.000 --> 2:03:01.400 Yeah, and now is so easy to put like to 2:03:01.440 --> 2:03:04.120 share it with the world now, you know. Obviously getting 2:03:04.640 --> 2:03:06.960 large amounts of people to listen is another challenge, but 2:03:07.000 --> 2:03:09.040 I don't really that's not really why I do it. 2:03:09.080 --> 2:03:10.880 I do it because I need to. I have this 2:03:11.320 --> 2:03:13.640 need and just there's nothing I love more than being 2:03:13.680 --> 2:03:18.680 in a recording studio with musicians, making you know, recordings 2:03:18.680 --> 2:03:20.760 of music that I've written. It just gives me extreme, 2:03:21.320 --> 2:03:21.960 you know pleasure. 2:03:22.160 --> 2:03:23.760 How would you describe your music. 2:03:23.840 --> 2:03:25.800 I'm looking at the I'm I was looking at your 2:03:25.840 --> 2:03:27.840 Instagram and I was like, it was I was wondering 2:03:27.840 --> 2:03:30.040 if it was like a folky Americana type thing. 2:03:30.080 --> 2:03:31.760 But I could be totally incorrect. 2:03:32.160 --> 2:03:35.040 Some some of it is, but I mean it's I've 2:03:35.040 --> 2:03:37.440 always had a fairly eclectic just taste in music. So 2:03:37.480 --> 2:03:39.560 there's there's real like rock and roll kind of stuff. 2:03:39.560 --> 2:03:43.200 There's kind of more indie rock kind of stuff. There's 2:03:43.560 --> 2:03:46.040 you know, country ish. I mean, I've made a couple 2:03:46.080 --> 2:03:50.320 of records down in Nashville. My most recent recordings I 2:03:50.320 --> 2:03:53.440 made in Philadelphia with an incredible musician friend of mine 2:03:53.640 --> 2:03:57.440 named Kirby Cybert. So it runs the gamut. There's even 2:03:57.520 --> 2:04:00.480 kind of jazzy, some jazzy ish, you know kind of 2:04:00.520 --> 2:04:05.520 music that I've made. So you know, yeah, it's it's eclectic. 2:04:05.520 --> 2:04:10.280 All right. We'll love people's that's what's your instabio. The 2:04:10.440 --> 2:04:13.520 order is singer, songwriter, actor, father, husband. 2:04:14.240 --> 2:04:17.600 You know that is really when I when I rediscovered 2:04:17.720 --> 2:04:21.800 music in my forties, I really suddenly felt like almost 2:04:22.560 --> 2:04:25.240 that acting was like my day job in a funny way. 2:04:25.280 --> 2:04:26.600 I mean, and it's not to say that I don't 2:04:26.600 --> 2:04:31.520 take great pleasure from acting. But anyway, there's just something 2:04:31.520 --> 2:04:35.080 about the singer songwriter stuff that that kind of fills 2:04:35.120 --> 2:04:38.240 me in a deeper in a deeper way than you know, 2:04:38.240 --> 2:04:41.520 because it's it's expressing my own ideas and thoughts and 2:04:41.520 --> 2:04:43.880 feelings and stuff like that. It was really around the 2:04:43.920 --> 2:04:45.880 death of my mother. Actually I wasn't going to necessarily 2:04:45.920 --> 2:04:47.920 talk about this, but my mom died when I was 2:04:47.920 --> 2:04:51.320 forty three, and she loved music and and right around 2:04:51.360 --> 2:04:53.120 the time of her death is when I had written 2:04:53.160 --> 2:04:55.360 a new song that I hadn't written a song in years, 2:04:55.760 --> 2:04:57.920 and I ended up going to Nashville just to record 2:04:57.960 --> 2:04:59.520 this one song because I had a friend down there 2:04:59.520 --> 2:05:01.480 who was like, down and do it, and and it 2:05:01.600 --> 2:05:04.320 was so much fun. And then my mom passed away 2:05:04.360 --> 2:05:06.760 like six weeks later, and I spent the next year 2:05:07.120 --> 2:05:09.920 making trips down to Nashville with old you know, I 2:05:09.960 --> 2:05:13.880 found songs in desk drawers that I'd forgotten about, and 2:05:14.280 --> 2:05:16.360 wrote some new stuff and ended up making a whole record. 2:05:17.000 --> 2:05:19.080 And it was really the most incredible way to sort of, 2:05:19.640 --> 2:05:23.560 you know, channel my grief into something creative as a way, 2:05:23.640 --> 2:05:25.400 as like a tribute to my mom. And her love 2:05:25.400 --> 2:05:28.480 of music, and so really since then it's just been 2:05:28.520 --> 2:05:29.960 like the floodgates sort of open. 2:05:30.080 --> 2:05:33.760 Yeah, that's so beautiful. Yeah, how did you? And how 2:05:33.760 --> 2:05:35.280 did I was gonna ask how did you and your 2:05:35.320 --> 2:05:37.000 wife meet? Did you guys meet? Being on like a 2:05:37.040 --> 2:05:38.560 show together, like a project? 2:05:39.040 --> 2:05:42.320 We were set up by a mutual friend, a theater director, 2:05:42.720 --> 2:05:45.480 a guy named Nicholas Martin, and and so she and 2:05:45.520 --> 2:05:49.240 I had worked with him, but never together, and he 2:05:50.240 --> 2:05:52.120 kind of felt like we would make a great couple, 2:05:52.200 --> 2:05:54.960 so he set us up. We met at his sixtieth 2:05:55.040 --> 2:05:57.720 birthday party at Cafe Undoutois, which is a you know, 2:05:57.880 --> 2:06:03.240 sort of storied, you know, theater restaurant right in Times 2:06:03.240 --> 2:06:06.640 Square that's been there forever. And so we met at 2:06:06.680 --> 2:06:09.200 his sixtieth and it was kind of a bus We 2:06:09.200 --> 2:06:11.040 were both feeling really shy, so we just sort of 2:06:11.080 --> 2:06:12.560 said hello and then like at the end of the night, 2:06:12.560 --> 2:06:15.960 we said goodbye, just to meet you. But then subsequently 2:06:16.080 --> 2:06:18.760 she very fortunately went to dinner with some other friends 2:06:18.800 --> 2:06:20.800 like a night or two later, and mentioned told the 2:06:20.840 --> 2:06:23.280 story of how this kind of thing had not really 2:06:23.440 --> 2:06:25.760 panned out, and they knew me, and they were like, 2:06:25.800 --> 2:06:28.520 you should you should call, You should call. Yeah, he's 2:06:28.560 --> 2:06:31.120 a good guy. So she called me, she said, do 2:06:31.120 --> 2:06:33.360 you want to get a coffee? And we've been together. 2:06:33.400 --> 2:06:37.200 We just celebrated actually twenty seven years since our first date. Whoa, 2:06:38.320 --> 2:06:41.720 which was the twenty first of June was our first 2:06:41.760 --> 2:06:46.800 day anniversary and we went to see Into Thin Air, 2:06:47.400 --> 2:06:51.040 the documentary about climbing Mount Everest, at the sixty eighth 2:06:51.080 --> 2:06:55.440 and Broadway Lincoln Square Cinema, and then we went to 2:06:55.480 --> 2:06:56.040 dinner after. 2:06:56.080 --> 2:06:56.960 Wow, that's crazy. 2:06:57.120 --> 2:06:59.720 You guys have been around as long or a little 2:06:59.760 --> 2:07:01.240 long for then SVU as a. 2:07:01.200 --> 2:07:05.000 Show, a ninety ninety nine premiere date for both things. 2:07:05.000 --> 2:07:06.400 It feels like around. 2:07:06.560 --> 2:07:10.040 We've been around since ninety eight, ninety eight. Yeah, yeah, wow, 2:07:10.560 --> 2:07:13.080 So it's it's been a very good marriage. 2:07:13.280 --> 2:07:16.200 Very that's amazing. That's so lovely to hear. Thank you 2:07:16.280 --> 2:07:18.240 so much for taking the time to talk to us. 2:07:18.280 --> 2:07:21.200 This was really such a such a pleasure you guys, 2:07:21.240 --> 2:07:21.960 Thank you so much. 2:07:22.880 --> 2:07:24.280 Yeah, And this will come out in a couple of 2:07:24.320 --> 2:07:27.000 weeks and hopefully people will go see Wrinkle in time 2:07:27.040 --> 2:07:29.920 and I hope we see you in Wrinkling on Broadway soon. 2:07:30.520 --> 2:07:32.920 Fingers crossed, Fingers cross. 2:07:37.240 --> 2:07:39.640 You know, I've started now being addicted to bringing up 2:07:39.680 --> 2:07:43.800 every actor to Ted, and he loves this guy and 2:07:43.800 --> 2:07:45.800 he loves Hope. He loves them both. He's like, I 2:07:45.840 --> 2:07:48.840 haven't seen him in a while, like wonderful he's in DC. 2:07:49.240 --> 2:07:53.560 But yeah, Ted, I trust a lot, and we've according 2:07:53.600 --> 2:07:56.640 to his reviews of these people were killing it. 2:07:57.120 --> 2:08:01.480 Yeah, I mean, you're acting coach needs to listen. He 2:08:01.560 --> 2:08:02.720 does like he does. 2:08:02.800 --> 2:08:05.960 Okay. He also said he made his acting class watch 2:08:06.000 --> 2:08:11.360 my special. I'm like, now that's an ally. Wow. Wow. 2:08:16.800 --> 2:08:19.880 Well, you know, I hope that this Wrinkle and Time 2:08:19.960 --> 2:08:21.960 musical comes to New York and we can all see 2:08:21.960 --> 2:08:25.200 this guy on Broadway because he was delightful and he 2:08:25.240 --> 2:08:28.200 seems like he's in this wonderful power couple married to 2:08:28.200 --> 2:08:30.920 the mom from from real uh you know, born psychopaths. 2:08:31.000 --> 2:08:34.640 So yeah, he loves the craft. He loves the craft, 2:08:34.680 --> 2:08:37.880 he loves his children. It's fucking cute. Yeah, it's great, 2:08:38.000 --> 2:08:40.160 it's great crime. 2:08:41.080 --> 2:08:43.080 I mean, first of all, I loved him also talking 2:08:43.120 --> 2:08:45.920 about how he made a choice going into the audition, 2:08:45.960 --> 2:08:47.840 which I think was to have his hair look that 2:08:47.960 --> 2:08:50.800 awful and it probably got him the part in the end, 2:08:52.040 --> 2:08:55.800 And I just I don't know. 2:08:55.960 --> 2:08:59.640 This is one of those doing seriously, you shouldn't have 2:08:59.680 --> 2:09:02.760 to disc your address, like the burden of everything should 2:09:02.840 --> 2:09:05.600 not be on the person being stalked, and we I 2:09:05.640 --> 2:09:07.720 mean this is like a common thing. And talking about 2:09:07.800 --> 2:09:11.040 like violence against women, you know, it's like, yeah, they 2:09:11.040 --> 2:09:14.000 don't take it seriously. Most women are murdered when they 2:09:14.040 --> 2:09:17.640 try to leave. Restraining orders do not work, like there 2:09:17.680 --> 2:09:20.400 needs to be some sort of intervention. Oh my god, 2:09:20.440 --> 2:09:22.320 someone posted one of my clothes from one of our 2:09:22.480 --> 2:09:25.840 last episodes. I'm like, wait, is this something? What was it? 2:09:25.960 --> 2:09:28.280 That bear mace works on men and bears? I go, 2:09:28.800 --> 2:09:33.360 should I go with this? That's merch base we're reposting. 2:09:34.720 --> 2:09:39.160 Wait, I randomly in my feed speaking of like taking 2:09:39.320 --> 2:09:43.000 men's behavior seriously, and shit, this might be a reach 2:09:43.080 --> 2:09:45.720 because I'm not watching the valley, but like I have 2:09:45.920 --> 2:09:48.440 dipped into the valley. I saw this post about this 2:09:48.480 --> 2:09:51.480 woman saying that Jax is like a classic family annihilator. 2:09:51.720 --> 2:09:54.160 Yeah you saw that too, Oh yeah, no, I definitely. 2:09:54.200 --> 2:09:56.320 I think I think they that was for our feeds 2:09:56.320 --> 2:09:59.560 for sure. I think in terms of Instagram. 2:09:59.000 --> 2:10:02.640 Knowing what we were, like, you love family Annihilators because 2:10:02.680 --> 2:10:05.200 I am sort of weirdly obsessed with family annihilators. But 2:10:05.440 --> 2:10:08.440 I don't want Britney to get annihilated or her little baby. 2:10:08.600 --> 2:10:10.800 No, no, no, we don't want anyone annihilated. I hope 2:10:10.840 --> 2:10:14.960 that Bravo kicks him off, but that might anger him more. 2:10:15.000 --> 2:10:17.560 I mean, I hope she's protected and doing everything right. Yeah, 2:10:17.560 --> 2:10:19.400 that's the thing. But the video, you don't want him 2:10:19.400 --> 2:10:23.720 on TV. But rock bottom no responsibility, blaming everyone. I 2:10:23.760 --> 2:10:25.920 mean to get out of rehab and go I'm I 2:10:26.000 --> 2:10:27.720 just got out of rehab. I want to go out, 2:10:27.760 --> 2:10:29.760 and a woman should not have a five bedroom house. 2:10:30.240 --> 2:10:35.440 It's like it's just psycho. Yeah, he's yeah, he doesn't 2:10:35.440 --> 2:10:37.120 care about his kid. He went and got both to 2:10:37.240 --> 2:10:40.879 like he's a dangerous, dangerous person. He has been Bravo 2:10:41.080 --> 2:10:44.880 and most reality tea in the world protects bad men. Yeah, 2:10:45.480 --> 2:10:48.200 because I think Spencer Pratt was so abusive. Like everyone says, 2:10:48.200 --> 2:10:50.680 they're like, oh, it's this beautiful, loving relationship and they're 2:10:50.680 --> 2:10:52.440 meant for each other, and he's so doning and loves 2:10:52.440 --> 2:10:54.600 his wife. It's like, if you watch the Hills, he 2:10:54.720 --> 2:10:57.800 isolated her from everyone would show up at her jaw 2:10:58.040 --> 2:11:01.200 like he was very not it was not okay, and 2:11:01.240 --> 2:11:02.920 then all of a sudden you got ten surgeries in 2:11:02.960 --> 2:11:05.200 a day, like blast of ras. Like I was like, 2:11:05.240 --> 2:11:08.360 this is what I want. I love it. Yeah, it's 2:11:08.400 --> 2:11:11.240 it's tough. It's tough. Yeah. I mean. 2:11:12.360 --> 2:11:15.400 The thing about like the way that this comes back to, 2:11:15.480 --> 2:11:19.000 like this as view episode two is like, sure it sucks. 2:11:19.040 --> 2:11:23.080 This guy was kidnapped at a young age and has 2:11:23.200 --> 2:11:26.200 probably had a horrible life. But the woman that was 2:11:26.920 --> 2:11:31.520 like fully sexually assaulted his ex girlfriend, like is also 2:11:31.600 --> 2:11:33.760 going to be experiencing. 2:11:33.200 --> 2:11:35.760 A lot of trauma going forward. But also that's on 2:11:35.840 --> 2:11:38.520 the cops, Like why didn't they investigate more? Like you 2:11:38.640 --> 2:11:41.520 just assumed this other guy took this little boy, you 2:11:41.520 --> 2:11:43.840 know what I mean, Like they had a narrow view, 2:11:43.920 --> 2:11:45.880 Like that's the whole point about investigating, Like you can't 2:11:45.880 --> 2:11:47.760 have a specific point of well we see yeah, we 2:11:47.840 --> 2:11:49.480 see that all the time with the cops. 2:11:49.520 --> 2:11:51.040 They get an idea in their head and they're like 2:11:51.080 --> 2:11:52.840 this is what happened, and they don't even look at 2:11:52.880 --> 2:11:54.040 alternate theories. 2:11:54.200 --> 2:11:57.120 Oh you know, I'm always looking a little on YouTube shorts. 2:11:57.320 --> 2:12:01.760 But Denzel Washington was offered Brad Pitt's part in seven 2:12:02.280 --> 2:12:04.960 and he didn't want to. Yeah, he was like mad, 2:12:05.160 --> 2:12:06.760 too dark and weird, and he goes. When I saw it, 2:12:06.800 --> 2:12:09.960 I was like fuck. But then well yeah, and then 2:12:10.000 --> 2:12:13.000 I saw Brad Pitt say, when he started reading it, 2:12:13.040 --> 2:12:15.040 he called his agent. He's like, I'm not fucking doing this, 2:12:15.160 --> 2:12:18.040 like cop retirement bullshit, and they were like, keep reading, 2:12:18.560 --> 2:12:22.320 keep reading, Brad, And I thought those were like so funny. 2:12:22.400 --> 2:12:25.280 Yeah, because then Denzel was in The Bone Collector, which 2:12:25.360 --> 2:12:28.640 reminds me very much of seven, so but a very 2:12:28.640 --> 2:12:31.560 different Oh but you know that in Bone Collector and 2:12:31.560 --> 2:12:35.200 seven it is the same bad guy. I'm almost positive. No, no, 2:12:35.240 --> 2:12:37.080 it's not the same bad guy. The bad guy is 2:12:37.120 --> 2:12:39.840 the guy it's not Kevin Spacey. No, the bad guy 2:12:39.880 --> 2:12:42.280 in Bone Collector is the guy who has to wear 2:12:42.400 --> 2:12:47.400 the like knife dildo in seven, not but a guy 2:12:47.440 --> 2:12:50.360 who has to be a bad thing. Yeah yes, yeah, yeah, yeah, 2:12:51.720 --> 2:12:55.960 a poor, a poor, sad guy. But yeah, yeah, they're 2:12:56.040 --> 2:12:58.280 the same guy. And I was behind him one time 2:12:58.280 --> 2:13:00.360 at a comic book store and was like, I really 2:13:00.400 --> 2:13:01.880 wanted to be like, I love your work as a 2:13:01.920 --> 2:13:06.200 total creepy person every time I see you, but yeah, 2:13:06.280 --> 2:13:10.440 this the post mortem of this episode is like, I fuck, 2:13:10.760 --> 2:13:13.160 I don't know, Yeah, take fucking stocking seriously. 2:13:13.560 --> 2:13:17.480 And police, why don't you open up your scope of investigations? 2:13:17.560 --> 2:13:22.800 Like someone just snatched this boy like and you and 2:13:22.840 --> 2:13:27.280 you just assumed it was this other pedophile. I don't know. Sucks. Yeah. 2:13:27.360 --> 2:13:29.520 I just also like the idea of someone just getting 2:13:29.560 --> 2:13:31.320 molested their whole life, like what the hell? 2:13:31.320 --> 2:13:33.600 And also, if you're some guy that's gonna like do 2:13:33.680 --> 2:13:36.080 a rape fantasy, I think that you should like check 2:13:36.080 --> 2:13:38.000 in or something in ahead of time. There needs to 2:13:38.040 --> 2:13:40.120 be like a like a wor there needs to be 2:13:40.160 --> 2:13:43.160 some kind of like check in, like, you know, so 2:13:43.200 --> 2:13:47.440 that you're not doing it to somebody that did not 2:13:47.600 --> 2:13:50.400 actually sign up for it. That guy being like I'm 2:13:50.480 --> 2:13:52.480 just so much a victim as she is. He was 2:13:52.560 --> 2:13:55.480 so mad for himself, but I'm like, you're stupid, That's 2:13:55.480 --> 2:13:58.600 what I mean. Check like check, do your due diligence. 2:13:58.720 --> 2:13:59.880 I don't know how, but you got to. 2:14:01.360 --> 2:14:03.280 All right? Should we move into our what would Sister 2:14:03.320 --> 2:14:06.800 Peg do? This week? For what What's the ster peg Do? 2:14:06.920 --> 2:14:10.760 Which is our weekly segment where we direct you towards 2:14:11.280 --> 2:14:14.080 sometimes a book, a documentary, a website, an organization to 2:14:14.080 --> 2:14:17.280 give you more info about what we talked about today's episode. 2:14:17.320 --> 2:14:19.960 We wanted to point you today to the docuseriies Captive 2:14:20.040 --> 2:14:25.440 Audience Colon, a real American horror story, which details the kidnapping, abuse, 2:14:25.480 --> 2:14:28.040 and heroic escape of Steven Stainer, who I talked about 2:14:28.120 --> 2:14:29.240 that this is based on. 2:14:29.560 --> 2:14:32.760 It also covers his serial murderer brother, Carrie. 2:14:32.800 --> 2:14:34.520 So if you wanted more information on the fact that 2:14:34.840 --> 2:14:37.520 this poor kid that was kidnapped ended up being related 2:14:37.560 --> 2:14:42.000 to a serial killer later you can check that all out. 2:14:42.040 --> 2:14:42.800 It's on Hulu. 2:14:42.880 --> 2:14:46.320 We will link to it in our show notes and 2:14:46.480 --> 2:14:48.240 in a story that comes out the day this episode 2:14:48.240 --> 2:14:50.480 comes out. 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