1 00:00:00,920 --> 00:00:01,120 Speaker 1: Walk. 2 00:00:01,200 --> 00:00:03,680 Speaker 2: So I definitely see myself as like a storyteller first 3 00:00:03,680 --> 00:00:06,199 Speaker 2: and foremost, Like I feel like I've always been a storyteller. 4 00:00:06,680 --> 00:00:09,479 Speaker 2: I face a very very traumatic upringing, experienced a lot 5 00:00:09,520 --> 00:00:13,920 Speaker 2: of trauma. I was facing trauma, addiction, just lots of 6 00:00:14,240 --> 00:00:17,400 Speaker 2: really really bad things, like bad circumstances that weren't gonna 7 00:00:17,400 --> 00:00:20,680 Speaker 2: go anywhere fast. When I feel like goofing around or like, 8 00:00:20,720 --> 00:00:23,160 Speaker 2: you know, messing around, or you know, not taking things 9 00:00:23,160 --> 00:00:25,200 Speaker 2: as seriously as should be, I really do remember that 10 00:00:25,280 --> 00:00:27,280 Speaker 2: this is this means so much more than just the 11 00:00:27,360 --> 00:00:27,800 Speaker 2: music to me. 12 00:00:28,160 --> 00:00:31,360 Speaker 1: Welcome to this episode of the Taking a Walk podcast, 13 00:00:31,600 --> 00:00:35,559 Speaker 1: where Buzz Night speaks with musicians from emerging artists to 14 00:00:35,680 --> 00:00:39,440 Speaker 1: Hall of famers. This episode is no exception with Glass 15 00:00:39,440 --> 00:00:43,479 Speaker 1: Notes Records recording artists Dylan Cartilage. Dylan is a multi 16 00:00:43,560 --> 00:00:48,920 Speaker 1: talented multi instrumentalist that mixes hip hop, soul, gospel, rock, 17 00:00:49,320 --> 00:00:51,519 Speaker 1: and R and B. You may have caught him on 18 00:00:51,560 --> 00:00:54,840 Speaker 1: the BBC documentary The Mighty Red Car, where he was 19 00:00:54,960 --> 00:00:59,320 Speaker 1: chasing a record deal. Dylan's a fascinating and talented artist 20 00:00:59,480 --> 00:01:02,440 Speaker 1: and we're delighted to have him join Buzz Night on 21 00:01:02,600 --> 00:01:04,720 Speaker 1: this episode of Taking a Walk. 22 00:01:06,640 --> 00:01:08,920 Speaker 3: Well, Dylan, Thanks for being on taking a Walk. I'm 23 00:01:08,959 --> 00:01:11,240 Speaker 3: so excited to be talking to you. One of the 24 00:01:11,360 --> 00:01:15,160 Speaker 3: joys for me of taking a Walk is music discovery 25 00:01:15,680 --> 00:01:18,920 Speaker 3: and discovering your new music, which we'll talk about the 26 00:01:19,000 --> 00:01:22,400 Speaker 3: song New Day. When I first heard it, I had 27 00:01:22,440 --> 00:01:24,120 Speaker 3: to listen to it again, and I had to listen 28 00:01:24,200 --> 00:01:27,320 Speaker 3: to it again and again and again. It's fantastic. 29 00:01:27,760 --> 00:01:30,280 Speaker 2: Thank you, thank you. I love that buzz. Thank you 30 00:01:30,319 --> 00:01:32,080 Speaker 2: so much for not only the intro but also the 31 00:01:32,160 --> 00:01:34,160 Speaker 2: law and the music. I really had a blast making it, 32 00:01:34,200 --> 00:01:37,080 Speaker 2: and so yeah, for you to listen and to get 33 00:01:37,080 --> 00:01:38,280 Speaker 2: something from that, really appreciate that. 34 00:01:38,880 --> 00:01:42,000 Speaker 3: So tell us about your musical journey from rapping at 35 00:01:42,040 --> 00:01:49,160 Speaker 3: age thirteen to incorporating live instruments and diverse genres into 36 00:01:49,200 --> 00:01:51,720 Speaker 3: your sound. Talk about the beginnings. 37 00:01:52,600 --> 00:01:57,120 Speaker 2: Man, it wasn't an easy transition at all. I began, 38 00:01:57,200 --> 00:02:00,480 Speaker 2: like I said, I began wrapping at thirteen, and you know, 39 00:02:00,560 --> 00:02:01,800 Speaker 2: kind of faced a you know, a bit of a 40 00:02:01,840 --> 00:02:04,720 Speaker 2: traumatic upbringing and began, you know, putting my art and 41 00:02:04,720 --> 00:02:08,799 Speaker 2: my music into into my craft. And then I went 42 00:02:08,800 --> 00:02:12,919 Speaker 2: to college. I ended up exclusively only listening to rap 43 00:02:13,000 --> 00:02:14,760 Speaker 2: music and pop music. I was like anything that had 44 00:02:14,760 --> 00:02:17,560 Speaker 2: a live instrument or anything that sounded remotely kind of live. 45 00:02:17,600 --> 00:02:18,840 Speaker 2: I was like, Oh, that's not for me, you know, 46 00:02:18,880 --> 00:02:20,919 Speaker 2: that's for the metal heads, you know, keep it away. 47 00:02:20,960 --> 00:02:23,320 Speaker 2: I don't want it, you know. I was really closed minded. 48 00:02:23,360 --> 00:02:25,960 Speaker 2: And then I ended up joining like a college band, 49 00:02:26,600 --> 00:02:29,400 Speaker 2: and in that band, I met two guys who are 50 00:02:29,440 --> 00:02:32,720 Speaker 2: these sort of almost like telepic sort of like Cypriot 51 00:02:32,720 --> 00:02:36,200 Speaker 2: brothers who loved you know, Jimi Hendrix and John Frishanty. 52 00:02:36,280 --> 00:02:39,359 Speaker 2: One was a drummer, one was a guitarist, and they 53 00:02:39,400 --> 00:02:42,200 Speaker 2: had this kind of they had the leather jackets and 54 00:02:42,240 --> 00:02:44,040 Speaker 2: Chelsea boots and they sort of you know, we joined 55 00:02:44,080 --> 00:02:46,120 Speaker 2: this college band and I never looked back. Really opened 56 00:02:46,160 --> 00:02:47,960 Speaker 2: my mind to so much music. They showed me the 57 00:02:47,960 --> 00:02:51,360 Speaker 2: black the Black Keys, the White Stripes, Chili Pepper's just 58 00:02:51,360 --> 00:02:53,679 Speaker 2: a whole bunch of music I've never ever ever had 59 00:02:53,760 --> 00:02:57,240 Speaker 2: any exposure to or even wanted, frankly wanted exposure to 60 00:02:57,280 --> 00:02:59,960 Speaker 2: at that time, you know, and it totally changed thee 61 00:03:00,200 --> 00:03:02,359 Speaker 2: for me. You know, being in a band and being 62 00:03:02,440 --> 00:03:04,760 Speaker 2: a DIY band for like three or four years and 63 00:03:04,880 --> 00:03:07,120 Speaker 2: being on the road or squashing into cars and you know, 64 00:03:07,760 --> 00:03:10,320 Speaker 2: punching holes in ceilings and ripping T shirts at gigs. 65 00:03:10,320 --> 00:03:12,240 Speaker 2: It was very different from the music that I make now. 66 00:03:12,280 --> 00:03:14,800 Speaker 2: You know, it's very like, you know, my angsty teenage phase. 67 00:03:14,840 --> 00:03:16,519 Speaker 2: I feel like I was cutting my teeth and it 68 00:03:16,600 --> 00:03:19,639 Speaker 2: taught me so much about songwriting, so much about composition 69 00:03:20,080 --> 00:03:22,680 Speaker 2: and just really about the music industry and the music business. 70 00:03:22,720 --> 00:03:26,040 Speaker 2: And I really real and that is really something that 71 00:03:26,080 --> 00:03:29,119 Speaker 2: I take massive, you know, value from and from then 72 00:03:29,160 --> 00:03:31,680 Speaker 2: on after the band, I ended up taking those experiences 73 00:03:31,720 --> 00:03:33,520 Speaker 2: after leaving the band, b what do I do next? 74 00:03:33,560 --> 00:03:35,040 Speaker 2: And so I was like I was a rapper before, 75 00:03:35,320 --> 00:03:37,760 Speaker 2: I'll be a rapper afterwards. And I just incorporated lots 76 00:03:37,800 --> 00:03:39,840 Speaker 2: of the you know, the sort of musical element settlment 77 00:03:39,880 --> 00:03:41,520 Speaker 2: from the band and put it into what I'm doing now. 78 00:03:42,600 --> 00:03:48,200 Speaker 3: So any particular musical mentors that really impacted you early 79 00:03:48,240 --> 00:03:49,160 Speaker 3: on in your life? 80 00:03:49,760 --> 00:03:53,920 Speaker 2: Yeah, So I met I met two guitarists actually, so 81 00:03:55,080 --> 00:03:56,600 Speaker 2: like I said, one of them I joined a band with, 82 00:03:56,640 --> 00:03:59,600 Speaker 2: who was a guy called George, and again just just 83 00:03:59,640 --> 00:04:02,480 Speaker 2: seeing his passion for music and it's somebody who was 84 00:04:02,520 --> 00:04:04,600 Speaker 2: a student to the guitar student, and that just love, 85 00:04:04,680 --> 00:04:07,120 Speaker 2: like I say, loves Jamie Hendrix, John Frashanti and just 86 00:04:07,240 --> 00:04:10,040 Speaker 2: listening to him talk with passion about those artists and 87 00:04:10,040 --> 00:04:12,400 Speaker 2: seeing him play, and it was like, man, I was like, 88 00:04:12,440 --> 00:04:15,080 Speaker 2: this guy was possessed by the spirit of old blues 89 00:04:15,160 --> 00:04:17,839 Speaker 2: guys and you know, Blind Lemon, Jefferson and all these 90 00:04:18,080 --> 00:04:19,880 Speaker 2: dudes on the porch with the moonshine. I was like, 91 00:04:19,880 --> 00:04:22,320 Speaker 2: oh my god, this is crazy. Like it just gave 92 00:04:22,360 --> 00:04:24,000 Speaker 2: me such a vigor for it. I met another guy, 93 00:04:24,040 --> 00:04:26,640 Speaker 2: another guitar is called Tom, who was this kind of crazy, 94 00:04:26,720 --> 00:04:28,440 Speaker 2: you know, this kind of crazy guy who'd lived a 95 00:04:28,440 --> 00:04:29,240 Speaker 2: bit of a mad life. 96 00:04:29,279 --> 00:04:29,440 Speaker 4: You know. 97 00:04:29,520 --> 00:04:31,760 Speaker 2: He's a little bit older, and I used to go 98 00:04:31,839 --> 00:04:33,359 Speaker 2: over to his place and he had this kind of 99 00:04:34,000 --> 00:04:36,920 Speaker 2: little analog recording four track thing that we used to 100 00:04:36,920 --> 00:04:38,480 Speaker 2: go over to his house on a weekend. He lived 101 00:04:38,480 --> 00:04:41,280 Speaker 2: in this little attic apartment in his dad's place, and 102 00:04:41,440 --> 00:04:42,120 Speaker 2: we'd just sit and. 103 00:04:42,080 --> 00:04:43,440 Speaker 4: Record stuff for hours and hours. 104 00:04:43,480 --> 00:04:45,080 Speaker 2: And I think that was really my first kind of 105 00:04:45,120 --> 00:04:46,800 Speaker 2: like two people that I met that sort of like 106 00:04:47,160 --> 00:04:50,760 Speaker 2: I was completely utterly enamored with, and they really began 107 00:04:50,800 --> 00:04:52,880 Speaker 2: to show me music and the recording process. 108 00:04:53,480 --> 00:04:57,720 Speaker 3: So your song Yellow Brick Road has an interesting origin story. 109 00:04:57,760 --> 00:05:01,479 Speaker 3: Can you share how that track came together in how 110 00:05:01,560 --> 00:05:05,080 Speaker 3: that pivotal studio session occurred. 111 00:05:06,120 --> 00:05:09,200 Speaker 2: Oh man, that Yellow Road was kind of like, yeah, 112 00:05:09,240 --> 00:05:10,760 Speaker 2: So I was working in a bar at the time. 113 00:05:10,920 --> 00:05:13,360 Speaker 2: It's kind of like a you know, like a chain 114 00:05:13,400 --> 00:05:15,480 Speaker 2: here in the UK, like a you know, a kind 115 00:05:15,480 --> 00:05:17,080 Speaker 2: of chain of pubs. 116 00:05:17,720 --> 00:05:20,720 Speaker 4: And I basically was working in that bar. 117 00:05:20,839 --> 00:05:22,560 Speaker 2: I had to beg my manager on the day like 118 00:05:22,640 --> 00:05:24,320 Speaker 2: kind of please take this day off. I felt like 119 00:05:24,360 --> 00:05:26,960 Speaker 2: I had one foot still working in this bar and 120 00:05:27,000 --> 00:05:29,760 Speaker 2: another foot potentially and what could be a career in music. 121 00:05:30,000 --> 00:05:31,719 Speaker 2: And so I've got the opportunity to go down and 122 00:05:31,720 --> 00:05:34,560 Speaker 2: record in the studio with a producer called James Dring, 123 00:05:34,640 --> 00:05:36,799 Speaker 2: who was amazing. He's worked a lot with this artist 124 00:05:36,800 --> 00:05:38,919 Speaker 2: in the UK called Jamie t who's amazing and also 125 00:05:39,040 --> 00:05:41,359 Speaker 2: a he produced a lot on Demon Days by Guerrillas, 126 00:05:41,360 --> 00:05:43,200 Speaker 2: which is an album that I absolutely love. And so 127 00:05:43,240 --> 00:05:45,359 Speaker 2: I had this one studio session and it really felt 128 00:05:45,400 --> 00:05:47,800 Speaker 2: like whether this was the objective truth or not, if 129 00:05:47,839 --> 00:05:50,280 Speaker 2: there's such a thing, it really felt as though like 130 00:05:50,520 --> 00:05:52,280 Speaker 2: it was all riding on this session. It was like 131 00:05:52,520 --> 00:05:54,800 Speaker 2: if I can prove that I you know, could kind 132 00:05:54,800 --> 00:05:56,479 Speaker 2: of take like a fish to water and you know, 133 00:05:56,560 --> 00:05:59,360 Speaker 2: crank some really good songs out then you know, this 134 00:05:59,400 --> 00:06:01,480 Speaker 2: will lead to a career, and if not, then I'm 135 00:06:01,520 --> 00:06:03,200 Speaker 2: just gonna have to go back to the bar. So 136 00:06:03,240 --> 00:06:05,159 Speaker 2: I begged my manager to get this day off and 137 00:06:05,200 --> 00:06:07,800 Speaker 2: I went to the studio session. Everything was going really, 138 00:06:07,800 --> 00:06:09,640 Speaker 2: really well. It was my first time I'd ever done it. 139 00:06:09,680 --> 00:06:11,080 Speaker 2: I went to a studio that was wall to wall 140 00:06:11,120 --> 00:06:13,040 Speaker 2: with gear for the first time. Oh my god, it 141 00:06:13,120 --> 00:06:14,240 Speaker 2: was like a musical cave, you know. 142 00:06:14,640 --> 00:06:16,280 Speaker 4: And so then we were jamming. 143 00:06:16,400 --> 00:06:18,599 Speaker 2: You know, it got to about like a half past 144 00:06:18,640 --> 00:06:22,360 Speaker 2: five in the afternoon, and James had to leave at six, 145 00:06:22,480 --> 00:06:24,520 Speaker 2: And everything had gone so well up to then, like 146 00:06:24,560 --> 00:06:26,760 Speaker 2: if I could write like a you know, like a 147 00:06:26,800 --> 00:06:28,960 Speaker 2: Disney script up to that point, or you know, like 148 00:06:28,960 --> 00:06:30,839 Speaker 2: a Coen Brothers script or to that point, that was 149 00:06:30,880 --> 00:06:33,920 Speaker 2: like the precise moment about everything would run like that 150 00:06:33,960 --> 00:06:36,480 Speaker 2: would be it. But then the last half an hour 151 00:06:36,480 --> 00:06:39,039 Speaker 2: of the session, it was like everything fell apart. We 152 00:06:39,160 --> 00:06:41,479 Speaker 2: just didn't have a chorus, and I could feel the 153 00:06:41,480 --> 00:06:44,600 Speaker 2: window of opportunity closing. I could feel James, you know, saying, oh, 154 00:06:44,640 --> 00:06:46,200 Speaker 2: you know, sometimes it just doesn't work out. 155 00:06:46,200 --> 00:06:47,520 Speaker 4: Don't worry, There'll be opportunities. 156 00:06:47,520 --> 00:06:49,040 Speaker 2: And I know that there wasn't going to be any 157 00:06:49,080 --> 00:06:51,599 Speaker 2: other opportunities, you know, and this was my shot, this 158 00:06:51,760 --> 00:06:54,960 Speaker 2: was my chance. And so James had a hard cut off. 159 00:06:55,040 --> 00:06:56,840 Speaker 2: You had to go pick up his kids from an 160 00:06:56,839 --> 00:06:59,000 Speaker 2: after school club, so you had to go. It got 161 00:06:59,000 --> 00:07:00,920 Speaker 2: to like, you know, free four minutes past six, and 162 00:07:01,000 --> 00:07:02,440 Speaker 2: James A Is saying, Dyl, I need to leave. I 163 00:07:02,480 --> 00:07:03,760 Speaker 2: have to leave, and I'm like, oh my god, I'm 164 00:07:03,800 --> 00:07:05,760 Speaker 2: freaking out. And I said, please just put the microphone 165 00:07:05,760 --> 00:07:06,440 Speaker 2: one more to please. 166 00:07:06,520 --> 00:07:07,840 Speaker 4: I know you got to go. Can you please turn 167 00:07:07,839 --> 00:07:08,400 Speaker 4: the microphone on? 168 00:07:08,600 --> 00:07:10,920 Speaker 2: And I run over to the microphone just like my 169 00:07:11,000 --> 00:07:13,240 Speaker 2: eyes all over the place, thinking about all the possibilities 170 00:07:13,240 --> 00:07:14,960 Speaker 2: in which where it's going to blow up. And I 171 00:07:15,000 --> 00:07:17,200 Speaker 2: just sang the chorus of the song and that was 172 00:07:17,200 --> 00:07:19,760 Speaker 2: the chorus. And we had this almost like crazy like 173 00:07:19,880 --> 00:07:22,480 Speaker 2: religious moment, like the ufar It moment where we were 174 00:07:22,560 --> 00:07:25,280 Speaker 2: dancing around and just like we just got it. It 175 00:07:25,320 --> 00:07:27,720 Speaker 2: was there and it was an eleventh hour the last minutes, 176 00:07:27,840 --> 00:07:28,480 Speaker 2: but it worked. 177 00:07:28,480 --> 00:07:28,680 Speaker 4: You know. 178 00:07:29,520 --> 00:07:33,880 Speaker 3: Wow, what a story, Holy smokes, Holy mackerel. 179 00:07:33,960 --> 00:07:35,840 Speaker 1: Wow Wow. 180 00:07:36,240 --> 00:07:36,560 Speaker 4: Dylan. 181 00:07:37,320 --> 00:07:41,200 Speaker 3: You did a great interview on our Companion podcast with 182 00:07:41,520 --> 00:07:45,280 Speaker 3: Lynn Hoffman called Music Save Me, and you talk about 183 00:07:45,480 --> 00:07:49,480 Speaker 3: how you overcame you know, significant adversity in your in 184 00:07:49,520 --> 00:07:53,040 Speaker 3: your life. So I urge our listeners to check out 185 00:07:53,040 --> 00:07:56,480 Speaker 3: that episode. But can you talk a bit how that 186 00:07:56,600 --> 00:08:00,720 Speaker 3: adversity has shaped your approach to music and the themes 187 00:08:01,120 --> 00:08:03,560 Speaker 3: that you explore in storytelling. 188 00:08:05,560 --> 00:08:08,000 Speaker 2: So I definitely see myself as like a storyteller first 189 00:08:08,000 --> 00:08:10,520 Speaker 2: and foremost, Like I feel like I've always been a storyteller, 190 00:08:11,120 --> 00:08:13,920 Speaker 2: even when you know, been around the campfire as a kid, 191 00:08:14,000 --> 00:08:16,240 Speaker 2: you know, going camping with friends, or just being a kid, 192 00:08:16,520 --> 00:08:18,920 Speaker 2: you know, in this sort of I guess it would 193 00:08:18,920 --> 00:08:20,920 Speaker 2: be the the UK equivalent would be like the projects 194 00:08:21,000 --> 00:08:23,160 Speaker 2: you know, or you know, the American equivalent would be 195 00:08:23,160 --> 00:08:24,960 Speaker 2: the projects to like this sort of state housing in 196 00:08:25,000 --> 00:08:26,760 Speaker 2: the UK, and just you know, being a kid with 197 00:08:26,840 --> 00:08:29,680 Speaker 2: nothing to do in telling stories, you know. But I 198 00:08:29,760 --> 00:08:32,400 Speaker 2: faced a very very traumatic upbringing. I experienced a lot 199 00:08:32,440 --> 00:08:36,240 Speaker 2: of trauma, you know, you know, unspeakable things that really 200 00:08:37,000 --> 00:08:39,120 Speaker 2: you know, I was living in and out since I 201 00:08:39,160 --> 00:08:40,719 Speaker 2: was six months old, you know, I was in and 202 00:08:40,800 --> 00:08:43,520 Speaker 2: out of foster care. I had, you know, tons and 203 00:08:43,520 --> 00:08:45,840 Speaker 2: tons of different foster placements. I had an adoption at 204 00:08:45,840 --> 00:08:47,680 Speaker 2: one point that didn't work out. I came back. It 205 00:08:47,720 --> 00:08:50,360 Speaker 2: was just a very turbul upbringing where I never really 206 00:08:50,400 --> 00:08:52,080 Speaker 2: felt like I had any roots, I never really felt 207 00:08:52,120 --> 00:08:53,560 Speaker 2: like I had any family. I never really felt like 208 00:08:53,559 --> 00:08:55,920 Speaker 2: i'd started, you know. I felt like every point to 209 00:08:55,960 --> 00:08:58,240 Speaker 2: where by I don't know, there was a new start, 210 00:08:58,360 --> 00:08:59,679 Speaker 2: or like hey this is where you live now, this 211 00:08:59,720 --> 00:09:01,240 Speaker 2: is where you go to school. It was just like 212 00:09:01,240 --> 00:09:02,640 Speaker 2: I never it never really got there, you know, And 213 00:09:02,960 --> 00:09:07,640 Speaker 2: I faced a lot of challenges, you know, and I 214 00:09:07,679 --> 00:09:12,160 Speaker 2: made the decision around fifteen years old, where you know, 215 00:09:12,200 --> 00:09:14,160 Speaker 2: I had kind of got the opportunity to move away 216 00:09:14,160 --> 00:09:16,920 Speaker 2: with a foster family and leave behind everything I knew. 217 00:09:17,480 --> 00:09:21,480 Speaker 2: I was facing trauma, addiction, just lots of really really 218 00:09:21,720 --> 00:09:24,160 Speaker 2: bad things, like bad circumstances that weren't going to go 219 00:09:24,200 --> 00:09:27,160 Speaker 2: anywhere fast. And the statistics were not good around people 220 00:09:27,160 --> 00:09:29,440 Speaker 2: that looked like me, not good around people that were 221 00:09:29,440 --> 00:09:31,559 Speaker 2: from the areas that I was from the experience some 222 00:09:31,559 --> 00:09:34,920 Speaker 2: of the things I'd experienced. So this really, this opportunity 223 00:09:34,920 --> 00:09:36,440 Speaker 2: felt like a hail Mary. You know, it felt like 224 00:09:37,040 --> 00:09:40,240 Speaker 2: a chance to turn things around. But I imagine, as 225 00:09:40,280 --> 00:09:42,920 Speaker 2: your listeners can relate to, like sometimes the most you know, 226 00:09:43,720 --> 00:09:46,880 Speaker 2: the hardest decisions to make or the hardest decisions for 227 00:09:46,880 --> 00:09:49,160 Speaker 2: a reason, you know, and particularly ones that you know, 228 00:09:49,280 --> 00:09:52,040 Speaker 2: sometimes things that seem easy, like in terms of like 229 00:09:52,120 --> 00:09:53,400 Speaker 2: is this a good or a bad thing for you, 230 00:09:53,440 --> 00:09:55,760 Speaker 2: aren't always the easy decision to make. And it meant 231 00:09:55,840 --> 00:09:58,240 Speaker 2: leaving behind, you know, my family, leaving behind a little 232 00:09:58,280 --> 00:10:02,040 Speaker 2: brother who had essentially raised, you know, and really starting 233 00:10:02,040 --> 00:10:03,719 Speaker 2: my life over. And I would feel, i'd say that 234 00:10:03,840 --> 00:10:07,280 Speaker 2: how that has impacted my, uh, you know, my songwriting 235 00:10:07,360 --> 00:10:09,599 Speaker 2: and my process is that I really do feel with 236 00:10:10,000 --> 00:10:11,880 Speaker 2: every new song I make and every new step I 237 00:10:11,920 --> 00:10:15,160 Speaker 2: take as a musician, or every accolade you know, I 238 00:10:15,200 --> 00:10:18,800 Speaker 2: get as an artist, whether that be you know, a 239 00:10:18,920 --> 00:10:21,960 Speaker 2: numerical accolade of some sort of stream or an award, 240 00:10:22,080 --> 00:10:24,400 Speaker 2: or whether it be fans or people at shows or 241 00:10:24,440 --> 00:10:27,440 Speaker 2: whatever it might be. That you know, that becomes a 242 00:10:27,440 --> 00:10:30,200 Speaker 2: real possibility for people that are from areas from and 243 00:10:30,320 --> 00:10:33,199 Speaker 2: also from experiences that I'm from. And so I really 244 00:10:33,200 --> 00:10:37,360 Speaker 2: do feel a very a big weight of responsibility, you know, 245 00:10:37,559 --> 00:10:40,080 Speaker 2: as as a kid, you know, from where I'm from 246 00:10:40,120 --> 00:10:42,440 Speaker 2: and from the experiences I've been to really get things right, 247 00:10:42,480 --> 00:10:44,400 Speaker 2: you know, And I really take that seriously. I feel like, 248 00:10:44,760 --> 00:10:48,480 Speaker 2: you know, sometimes you know, when I feel like goofing 249 00:10:48,480 --> 00:10:50,720 Speaker 2: around or like you know, messing around or you know, 250 00:10:50,880 --> 00:10:53,080 Speaker 2: not taking things as seriously others should be. I really 251 00:10:53,080 --> 00:10:55,480 Speaker 2: do remember that this is this means so much more 252 00:10:55,480 --> 00:10:56,360 Speaker 2: than just the music to me. 253 00:10:56,440 --> 00:11:00,959 Speaker 3: You know, your debut album is titled Hope above Adversity. Now, 254 00:11:01,040 --> 00:11:04,000 Speaker 3: what does that phrase mean to you? And how does 255 00:11:04,040 --> 00:11:07,480 Speaker 3: it reflect your amazing artistic vision. 256 00:11:09,200 --> 00:11:12,120 Speaker 2: It's a good, really good question. I would say, Hope 257 00:11:12,120 --> 00:11:16,440 Speaker 2: of adversity means to me really that, like you know, 258 00:11:17,040 --> 00:11:20,640 Speaker 2: that you make choices in life and live with the consequences. 259 00:11:20,640 --> 00:11:23,400 Speaker 2: You know, in my opinion, everybody has choices in life. Obviously, 260 00:11:23,400 --> 00:11:25,960 Speaker 2: some people's choices are impacted by, you know, factors outside 261 00:11:25,960 --> 00:11:28,720 Speaker 2: of the control. But you know, in terms of as 262 00:11:28,720 --> 00:11:32,679 Speaker 2: far as you know, outlook and happiness goes, you know, 263 00:11:32,720 --> 00:11:36,640 Speaker 2: obviously in my life, because that's what I'm you know, 264 00:11:36,720 --> 00:11:39,400 Speaker 2: probably most well versed on. Hopefully most well versed on, 265 00:11:40,280 --> 00:11:42,360 Speaker 2: is is a choice to be happy? 266 00:11:42,400 --> 00:11:42,560 Speaker 1: You know. 267 00:11:42,640 --> 00:11:45,240 Speaker 2: I feel like, obviously you know you can, you can 268 00:11:45,240 --> 00:11:47,120 Speaker 2: force it sometimes. But I really do think that hope 269 00:11:47,160 --> 00:11:49,280 Speaker 2: of adversity means to me that when you're going through 270 00:11:49,280 --> 00:11:52,200 Speaker 2: difficult times, yes, there's things that you can you can 271 00:11:52,240 --> 00:11:54,559 Speaker 2: get stuck on and there's things that are genuinely unjust 272 00:11:54,640 --> 00:11:57,160 Speaker 2: and hurtful that can stick around for a long time, 273 00:11:57,200 --> 00:11:59,400 Speaker 2: but it doesn't have to define you. Like that's really 274 00:11:59,400 --> 00:12:01,160 Speaker 2: what it means to me, is that it's that you 275 00:12:01,240 --> 00:12:04,600 Speaker 2: can be given really crappy cards, like you can be 276 00:12:04,640 --> 00:12:06,720 Speaker 2: given a really crappy hand in life in terms of 277 00:12:06,760 --> 00:12:09,320 Speaker 2: like being the cards you're dealt, but it doesn't have 278 00:12:09,360 --> 00:12:09,880 Speaker 2: to define you. 279 00:12:09,920 --> 00:12:13,280 Speaker 3: And I really believe that your single from your debut 280 00:12:13,320 --> 00:12:17,680 Speaker 3: album Molasses, walk the Walk and where on taking a Walk? 281 00:12:17,760 --> 00:12:22,040 Speaker 3: Isn't that something it deals with burnout and losing sight 282 00:12:22,120 --> 00:12:27,800 Speaker 3: of goals? How has music helped you overcome creative blocks? 283 00:12:29,320 --> 00:12:32,040 Speaker 2: I think that's definitely still an ongoing process for me, 284 00:12:32,080 --> 00:12:34,280 Speaker 2: you know, I think I you know, in so far 285 00:12:34,360 --> 00:12:36,560 Speaker 2: as anything, you know, I'm a big believer and I 286 00:12:36,600 --> 00:12:38,880 Speaker 2: do really talk about, you know, life a lot in 287 00:12:38,920 --> 00:12:40,640 Speaker 2: my music because I do feel like art is a 288 00:12:40,640 --> 00:12:44,080 Speaker 2: reflection of life in lots of ways, you know, And 289 00:12:44,760 --> 00:12:48,040 Speaker 2: you know, for me, you know, kind of having the 290 00:12:48,080 --> 00:12:50,000 Speaker 2: outlook that I have and you know, and kind of 291 00:12:50,040 --> 00:12:51,720 Speaker 2: like and I don't want it to just come across 292 00:12:51,720 --> 00:12:53,319 Speaker 2: as they're like, oh, I'm mister happy. You know, I've 293 00:12:53,360 --> 00:12:55,400 Speaker 2: gone through bad things and now everything's great, because that's 294 00:12:55,400 --> 00:12:57,480 Speaker 2: not true, you know, and you know, anybody knows that. 295 00:12:57,520 --> 00:12:59,360 Speaker 2: You know, life is rarely black and white. There's lots 296 00:12:59,360 --> 00:13:02,480 Speaker 2: of nuances of great and you know, as much as 297 00:13:02,520 --> 00:13:04,760 Speaker 2: there's lots of happy days, there's also lots of down days. 298 00:13:04,800 --> 00:13:07,440 Speaker 2: There's also you know, days where I'm not feeling so 299 00:13:07,480 --> 00:13:09,680 Speaker 2: great or I'm burnt out or whatever, you know, And 300 00:13:09,760 --> 00:13:12,439 Speaker 2: in those moments, I really think that, you know, how 301 00:13:12,480 --> 00:13:15,000 Speaker 2: I deal with those moments or how I try to 302 00:13:15,480 --> 00:13:17,640 Speaker 2: kind of you know, bring that into my How deal 303 00:13:17,679 --> 00:13:19,320 Speaker 2: with that, I guess as an artist and deal with 304 00:13:19,320 --> 00:13:21,920 Speaker 2: those moments is to is to try my best to 305 00:13:22,080 --> 00:13:24,720 Speaker 2: sort of like when I'm feeling crap, I just will 306 00:13:24,760 --> 00:13:26,480 Speaker 2: try my best to just go over to the studio 307 00:13:26,760 --> 00:13:28,440 Speaker 2: and at least try and get something from it. You know, 308 00:13:28,480 --> 00:13:29,800 Speaker 2: I will feel like, oh, I can sit here and 309 00:13:29,800 --> 00:13:31,600 Speaker 2: feel like this and say, hey, this is wrong and 310 00:13:31,600 --> 00:13:33,440 Speaker 2: that's wrong, and I don't like this and I'm feeling 311 00:13:33,480 --> 00:13:36,199 Speaker 2: like this and that's good. But sometimes I allow myself 312 00:13:36,240 --> 00:13:38,040 Speaker 2: to feel that and I acknowledge that, but then I'm like, well, 313 00:13:38,040 --> 00:13:39,680 Speaker 2: why don't you go and record it and see what 314 00:13:39,720 --> 00:13:41,520 Speaker 2: comes from me? You know, at least then maybe you 315 00:13:41,600 --> 00:13:43,120 Speaker 2: will feel that way and it will pass and you'll 316 00:13:43,120 --> 00:13:44,640 Speaker 2: feel better, But then you'll be able to reflect on 317 00:13:44,640 --> 00:13:45,760 Speaker 2: it too, and maybe you've got something. 318 00:13:46,960 --> 00:13:48,200 Speaker 3: How do you stay so grounded? 319 00:13:49,080 --> 00:13:52,559 Speaker 4: Oh man, it's a hard question, you know what I think. 320 00:13:53,000 --> 00:13:56,240 Speaker 2: I think it's definitely my experience, in my experiences in 321 00:13:56,280 --> 00:13:59,920 Speaker 2: a band definitely grounded me, like very quickly. I I 322 00:14:00,320 --> 00:14:01,840 Speaker 2: thought that when I joined the band, it was going 323 00:14:01,920 --> 00:14:03,960 Speaker 2: to be like the rock and roll lifestyle. I thought 324 00:14:04,000 --> 00:14:06,200 Speaker 2: I was going to be, you know, I was full 325 00:14:06,240 --> 00:14:08,240 Speaker 2: on going to be you know, Keith Richards. It was 326 00:14:08,280 --> 00:14:11,000 Speaker 2: going to be like Ozzy Osbourne, like you know, a 327 00:14:11,120 --> 00:14:13,840 Speaker 2: rock and roll lifestyle, you know, and all that kind 328 00:14:13,880 --> 00:14:16,400 Speaker 2: of vibe. And it took some degree on a small level, 329 00:14:16,440 --> 00:14:18,000 Speaker 2: it was, you know, we got to the point where 330 00:14:18,000 --> 00:14:20,160 Speaker 2: we're be about to get recognized and everything else, and 331 00:14:20,200 --> 00:14:21,400 Speaker 2: it went straight to my head. 332 00:14:21,440 --> 00:14:22,560 Speaker 4: You know, it went so to my head. 333 00:14:22,600 --> 00:14:25,120 Speaker 2: I was twenty years old walking around you know, the 334 00:14:25,160 --> 00:14:26,960 Speaker 2: big city where you know, where we'd moved to to 335 00:14:27,320 --> 00:14:31,960 Speaker 2: go to university, and I was literally planning like what 336 00:14:32,080 --> 00:14:35,240 Speaker 2: I was going to say on you know, on Jules Holland, 337 00:14:35,280 --> 00:14:37,480 Speaker 2: which is like I guess, like the Jimmy Fallon equivalent, 338 00:14:37,480 --> 00:14:39,840 Speaker 2: which is like making music and we haven't got there 339 00:14:39,880 --> 00:14:41,440 Speaker 2: at all, but I'd already planned what I was going 340 00:14:41,520 --> 00:14:44,520 Speaker 2: to say. And every year in the UK they did 341 00:14:44,600 --> 00:14:46,520 Speaker 2: this thing called soccer Ade where it's basically a charity 342 00:14:46,520 --> 00:14:49,000 Speaker 2: event where they got big celebrities and you know, in 343 00:14:49,240 --> 00:14:51,640 Speaker 2: professional sports players to put on like a charity match, 344 00:14:51,720 --> 00:14:54,440 Speaker 2: like you know, kind of a televised event for charity, 345 00:14:54,480 --> 00:14:56,880 Speaker 2: and they get celebrities involved in stuff I already planned, 346 00:14:57,040 --> 00:14:59,320 Speaker 2: like what soccer moves I was going to do at 347 00:14:59,360 --> 00:15:01,120 Speaker 2: that event, even though I hadn't got there. It was 348 00:15:01,160 --> 00:15:02,440 Speaker 2: just my ego, you know. I was like, oh, you know, 349 00:15:02,440 --> 00:15:03,840 Speaker 2: when I'm on this talk show because I'm in this 350 00:15:03,840 --> 00:15:05,880 Speaker 2: big band now, and you know when I do this, 351 00:15:06,320 --> 00:15:07,880 Speaker 2: and it didn't work out like that, you know, the 352 00:15:07,920 --> 00:15:10,960 Speaker 2: band breaking up. And I went from you know, thinking 353 00:15:10,960 --> 00:15:12,600 Speaker 2: that in my head and walking around like missed the 354 00:15:12,600 --> 00:15:15,040 Speaker 2: big boots, to like working in a call center in 355 00:15:15,080 --> 00:15:17,520 Speaker 2: the UK where I had to log into a phone 356 00:15:17,520 --> 00:15:19,240 Speaker 2: every morning and press the button if I wanted to 357 00:15:19,280 --> 00:15:20,600 Speaker 2: go to the toilet, and I was only allowed to 358 00:15:20,640 --> 00:15:23,040 Speaker 2: go for three minutes a day, you know, and it 359 00:15:23,120 --> 00:15:26,520 Speaker 2: was a really humbling experience. So regardless of how things 360 00:15:26,520 --> 00:15:29,200 Speaker 2: have changed and regardless of how good you feel in 361 00:15:29,280 --> 00:15:32,600 Speaker 2: any moment, like you know, all good things come to 362 00:15:32,600 --> 00:15:34,360 Speaker 2: an end. And it's very much for me, I feel 363 00:15:34,400 --> 00:15:36,920 Speaker 2: like about the journey and not so much the destination. 364 00:15:37,840 --> 00:15:41,800 Speaker 3: You're with an amazing record label and Glass Note Records. 365 00:15:42,480 --> 00:15:45,520 Speaker 3: How did your journey take you to Glass Note? 366 00:15:45,840 --> 00:15:49,120 Speaker 2: So, yeah, one a Glass Note Records of the record 367 00:15:49,200 --> 00:15:52,840 Speaker 2: label that I'm with absolutely love Chris and Chris and Daniel, 368 00:15:52,920 --> 00:15:54,560 Speaker 2: Daniel Glass over a Glass Note Records. 369 00:15:54,760 --> 00:15:55,400 Speaker 4: So I met. 370 00:15:56,040 --> 00:15:59,280 Speaker 2: How I met Glass Note is after putting out you know, 371 00:15:59,400 --> 00:16:01,680 Speaker 2: Yellower Crow, the story I just told about making that song. 372 00:16:01,720 --> 00:16:03,440 Speaker 2: I put that song out and there that's where things 373 00:16:03,440 --> 00:16:06,400 Speaker 2: really started to change for me. Within about six months 374 00:16:06,440 --> 00:16:09,000 Speaker 2: of releasing that song, I was, you know, working in 375 00:16:09,120 --> 00:16:12,240 Speaker 2: Electric Lady Studios in New York with Dangerouse and everything 376 00:16:12,280 --> 00:16:15,360 Speaker 2: went quite crazy very quickly. In the midst of all 377 00:16:15,400 --> 00:16:19,200 Speaker 2: this madness, I got invited to an afternoon sort of 378 00:16:19,200 --> 00:16:21,880 Speaker 2: dinner with Daniel, who was interested. There was a few labels, 379 00:16:21,920 --> 00:16:23,920 Speaker 2: you know, sort of fighting around about, you know, who 380 00:16:23,960 --> 00:16:25,480 Speaker 2: I was going to sign with, and so I went 381 00:16:25,520 --> 00:16:29,200 Speaker 2: and met Daniel, and what really struck me about Glass 382 00:16:29,240 --> 00:16:31,920 Speaker 2: note is that every other place I've been to they 383 00:16:31,920 --> 00:16:33,320 Speaker 2: were like, oh, we can do this, we can do that. 384 00:16:33,360 --> 00:16:36,640 Speaker 2: But you know, and for me, I'm a big you know, 385 00:16:36,920 --> 00:16:41,120 Speaker 2: I'm a big believer in in in in family values 386 00:16:41,160 --> 00:16:43,160 Speaker 2: and honesty and this sort of thing. And I remember 387 00:16:43,200 --> 00:16:45,480 Speaker 2: sitting down with Daniel and you know, he was with 388 00:16:45,560 --> 00:16:48,360 Speaker 2: his wife, and we just sat down and had a conversation. 389 00:16:48,440 --> 00:16:50,720 Speaker 2: And it wasn't like you know what artists, you're like, 390 00:16:50,800 --> 00:16:52,520 Speaker 2: we can get you on this stage, we can get 391 00:16:52,560 --> 00:16:54,720 Speaker 2: you here. It was very much just like Daniel wanted 392 00:16:54,760 --> 00:16:56,240 Speaker 2: to know about me as a person, and I wanted 393 00:16:56,280 --> 00:16:57,280 Speaker 2: to know about him as a person. 394 00:16:57,320 --> 00:16:58,520 Speaker 4: He said, listen, there's. 395 00:16:58,320 --> 00:17:00,680 Speaker 2: Probably other places you can go which which will offer 396 00:17:00,680 --> 00:17:03,120 Speaker 2: you more money, but we will be investing you for 397 00:17:03,200 --> 00:17:05,719 Speaker 2: the majority of your career. You know, we're investing in 398 00:17:05,720 --> 00:17:08,160 Speaker 2: you for the long term. You know, we're not expecting 399 00:17:08,240 --> 00:17:10,679 Speaker 2: instant success. The things don't work out in the first role. Like, 400 00:17:10,720 --> 00:17:12,280 Speaker 2: we believe in you, and we believe in your art. 401 00:17:12,320 --> 00:17:14,679 Speaker 2: We believe in the music you make. And you know, 402 00:17:14,760 --> 00:17:16,919 Speaker 2: for me, that's you know, very rare these days. And 403 00:17:16,960 --> 00:17:20,119 Speaker 2: I think that that's something that I just totally and 404 00:17:20,160 --> 00:17:23,600 Speaker 2: utterly resonated with and it's come into fruition like I 405 00:17:23,640 --> 00:17:26,760 Speaker 2: couldn't believe because it wasn't just false words that Daniel, 406 00:17:27,080 --> 00:17:29,120 Speaker 2: you know and Chris is said at the time. It's 407 00:17:29,160 --> 00:17:34,479 Speaker 2: been backed up with just absolute just faith support and 408 00:17:34,600 --> 00:17:38,960 Speaker 2: just yeah, just a really really yeah an ideal situation 409 00:17:39,080 --> 00:17:42,560 Speaker 2: in terms of like a creative and being supported in 410 00:17:42,600 --> 00:17:44,840 Speaker 2: that way and just having that experience and having somebody 411 00:17:44,920 --> 00:17:47,359 Speaker 2: that truly believes in you, because sometimes you don't always 412 00:17:47,359 --> 00:17:50,280 Speaker 2: believe in yourself, and having a team and having people 413 00:17:50,320 --> 00:17:51,919 Speaker 2: that you can speak to anytime and just pick up 414 00:17:51,920 --> 00:17:53,360 Speaker 2: the phone be like hey, I just wrote this song. 415 00:17:53,359 --> 00:17:56,440 Speaker 2: I'm not really sure about it, and people being like, hey, 416 00:17:56,520 --> 00:17:58,119 Speaker 2: you've got this, We've got you. 417 00:17:59,600 --> 00:18:02,679 Speaker 3: So then new project, New Day, let's talk about it 418 00:18:02,680 --> 00:18:05,600 Speaker 3: and your work with Neil H. Pogue known for his 419 00:18:05,720 --> 00:18:10,040 Speaker 3: work with The Outcast, and Steve Lacey and Doja cat 420 00:18:10,200 --> 00:18:14,760 Speaker 3: So talk about the creation of the amazing song new Day. 421 00:18:15,440 --> 00:18:16,040 Speaker 4: Oh Man. 422 00:18:16,160 --> 00:18:19,560 Speaker 2: So New Day, Yeah, it was. It was a crazy experience. 423 00:18:19,560 --> 00:18:21,639 Speaker 2: So actually New Day I worked on that with a 424 00:18:21,800 --> 00:18:22,760 Speaker 2: with a producer. 425 00:18:22,400 --> 00:18:23,040 Speaker 4: Called Egg White. 426 00:18:23,080 --> 00:18:25,600 Speaker 2: He's a really cool guy. He did a lot of 427 00:18:25,640 --> 00:18:27,680 Speaker 2: like he's one of these crazy people. In fact, the 428 00:18:27,720 --> 00:18:29,800 Speaker 2: first time I ever went to meet him. I don't 429 00:18:29,800 --> 00:18:31,560 Speaker 2: think it was a New Day recording session, but I 430 00:18:31,560 --> 00:18:33,520 Speaker 2: think it's the first time I ever met him. So 431 00:18:33,560 --> 00:18:36,359 Speaker 2: he's this kind of guy who's worked with like, you know, Kalimnou, 432 00:18:36,720 --> 00:18:39,359 Speaker 2: Kadi Minogue and Celine Dion like really big you know, Adele, 433 00:18:39,440 --> 00:18:43,199 Speaker 2: like really big you know, sort of ballad singers and like, 434 00:18:43,280 --> 00:18:45,520 Speaker 2: you know, big female kind of pop stars, and they's 435 00:18:45,560 --> 00:18:47,680 Speaker 2: kind of known for that. But then also is kind 436 00:18:47,680 --> 00:18:50,200 Speaker 2: of have you know, it's still trusted by artists today 437 00:18:50,280 --> 00:18:52,119 Speaker 2: to do you know, kind of do lots of stuff. 438 00:18:52,480 --> 00:18:56,359 Speaker 2: And he has this crazy sort of back cave music 439 00:18:56,400 --> 00:18:59,840 Speaker 2: studio that's like a thirty five foot excavated kind of 440 00:18:59,840 --> 00:19:02,199 Speaker 2: thing in the bottom of his house, you know. And 441 00:19:02,280 --> 00:19:04,160 Speaker 2: I remember the first time I went there and worked 442 00:19:04,160 --> 00:19:06,480 Speaker 2: with him. We were both crazy with both very adhd, 443 00:19:06,680 --> 00:19:08,680 Speaker 2: very mad, and Egg was running around with one sock 444 00:19:08,760 --> 00:19:11,760 Speaker 2: on with his old Puttnam preamps, like turning things around, 445 00:19:11,840 --> 00:19:14,440 Speaker 2: you know, fixing bits of equipment that I, you know, 446 00:19:13,920 --> 00:19:17,200 Speaker 2: didn't known it existed while he's playing the drums. 447 00:19:17,320 --> 00:19:18,240 Speaker 4: And yeah, and I. 448 00:19:18,240 --> 00:19:20,359 Speaker 2: Remember I said, Tohigg, would you mind if I popped 449 00:19:20,359 --> 00:19:22,399 Speaker 2: out and use a toilet and egg. The whole the 450 00:19:22,440 --> 00:19:25,000 Speaker 2: whole door was like a wall, like a soundproof wall 451 00:19:25,040 --> 00:19:26,960 Speaker 2: that you had to get in and out with a screwdriver. 452 00:19:27,040 --> 00:19:29,119 Speaker 2: So if you need a toilet, you needed literally needed 453 00:19:29,200 --> 00:19:30,680 Speaker 2: a power drill to get in and out. 454 00:19:31,000 --> 00:19:33,160 Speaker 4: And so I was literally was stuck in. 455 00:19:33,080 --> 00:19:35,560 Speaker 2: This basement making music, and I needed to bo out 456 00:19:35,600 --> 00:19:37,040 Speaker 2: to the loo and had to use a power drill 457 00:19:37,080 --> 00:19:38,359 Speaker 2: to get out, but I didn't know how to use it. 458 00:19:38,359 --> 00:19:39,359 Speaker 4: So it was all very crazy. 459 00:19:39,359 --> 00:19:41,639 Speaker 2: But in the midst of that madness we ended up 460 00:19:41,680 --> 00:19:43,520 Speaker 2: making We ended up making New Day, which was a 461 00:19:43,560 --> 00:19:46,720 Speaker 2: really really dope song again which is informed by my experiences, 462 00:19:46,840 --> 00:19:49,560 Speaker 2: is about change, about new beginnings, about embracing the unknown. 463 00:19:50,080 --> 00:19:53,439 Speaker 2: And yeah, I absolutely the writing process was such a 464 00:19:53,640 --> 00:19:55,880 Speaker 2: such a cool thing. We have such a synergy between us. 465 00:19:56,000 --> 00:19:58,160 Speaker 2: We balance each other out and hopefully that comes across 466 00:19:58,160 --> 00:19:58,600 Speaker 2: in the music. 467 00:19:59,440 --> 00:20:03,520 Speaker 3: So you formed in major festivals like Glastonbury, south By Southwest. 468 00:20:03,600 --> 00:20:08,560 Speaker 3: What's the most memorable live performance so far in your career? 469 00:20:09,640 --> 00:20:11,840 Speaker 4: Oh, you know, it's a really good one. 470 00:20:11,960 --> 00:20:14,159 Speaker 2: I will say as much as you know, south By 471 00:20:14,280 --> 00:20:17,960 Speaker 2: Southwest in Glastonbury great to which they were unbelievable experiences. 472 00:20:18,080 --> 00:20:21,520 Speaker 2: I think the most memorable live show I've ever done 473 00:20:21,800 --> 00:20:24,760 Speaker 2: was a show I did in my hometown where I'm 474 00:20:24,760 --> 00:20:27,760 Speaker 2: originally from, which is still Contrent, I'd said. And it 475 00:20:27,800 --> 00:20:29,760 Speaker 2: was around the time I signed a Glass Note Records. 476 00:20:29,800 --> 00:20:33,080 Speaker 2: I said to my girlfriend at the time, Holly, I said, listen, 477 00:20:33,359 --> 00:20:35,720 Speaker 2: if I everet signed, I'm going to ask you to 478 00:20:35,760 --> 00:20:39,960 Speaker 2: marry me. And so anyway, I had the offer, you know, 479 00:20:40,000 --> 00:20:41,879 Speaker 2: from Glass Notes, and I hadn't told it yet, and 480 00:20:41,920 --> 00:20:45,119 Speaker 2: so I basically arranged this gig in my hometown and 481 00:20:45,160 --> 00:20:47,200 Speaker 2: I said to Holly, like, you know, you really want 482 00:20:47,200 --> 00:20:48,600 Speaker 2: to come down to the show. I've got the show 483 00:20:48,640 --> 00:20:51,199 Speaker 2: I'm doing, like you should come. And her response was like. 484 00:20:51,200 --> 00:20:53,320 Speaker 4: Oh, I can't just put my life on hold whenever 485 00:20:53,320 --> 00:20:55,280 Speaker 4: you've got a show, blah blah blah, and I no, no, no, 486 00:20:55,160 --> 00:20:55,720 Speaker 4: you really want to. 487 00:20:55,680 --> 00:20:56,879 Speaker 2: Come to this show, like it's going to be a 488 00:20:56,920 --> 00:20:59,000 Speaker 2: good show. And so then Holly came to the show. 489 00:20:59,480 --> 00:21:01,199 Speaker 2: We had like a camera is set up and everything 490 00:21:01,240 --> 00:21:02,880 Speaker 2: like that, and there's a part of the set where 491 00:21:03,000 --> 00:21:04,680 Speaker 2: I have like an interlude in the middle of the 492 00:21:04,720 --> 00:21:06,800 Speaker 2: set where I do a freestyle rap where I asked 493 00:21:06,840 --> 00:21:09,080 Speaker 2: the audience for words and improvise a rap with the 494 00:21:09,080 --> 00:21:10,840 Speaker 2: words that they give me. And at the end of 495 00:21:10,880 --> 00:21:13,240 Speaker 2: this freestyle, I've got on one knee and pulled out 496 00:21:13,240 --> 00:21:16,360 Speaker 2: the ring like the regal regal British gentleman. I am 497 00:21:16,440 --> 00:21:18,199 Speaker 2: and asked Holly to marry me and so and she 498 00:21:18,240 --> 00:21:21,320 Speaker 2: said yes luckily. So, yeah, that's definitely the most vulnerable. 499 00:21:20,920 --> 00:21:21,320 Speaker 4: One for me. 500 00:21:21,640 --> 00:21:22,959 Speaker 3: And is Holly a doctor? 501 00:21:23,080 --> 00:21:24,080 Speaker 4: Is that correct? 502 00:21:24,920 --> 00:21:25,160 Speaker 1: Yeah? 503 00:21:25,280 --> 00:21:28,000 Speaker 2: So Holly my wife is a doctor. And she's also 504 00:21:28,400 --> 00:21:30,720 Speaker 2: she comes on you know, she's my back and vocalist live. 505 00:21:30,920 --> 00:21:34,200 Speaker 2: So I did my first ever tour around Europe at 506 00:21:34,280 --> 00:21:37,320 Speaker 2: the end of the year before last, and basically Holly 507 00:21:37,600 --> 00:21:40,600 Speaker 2: took all of her holiday from work all you know, 508 00:21:40,720 --> 00:21:43,680 Speaker 2: every single holiday she had from work and literally came 509 00:21:43,720 --> 00:21:45,639 Speaker 2: to every show we did around Europe. And it was me, 510 00:21:45,960 --> 00:21:48,159 Speaker 2: Holly and a couple of other guys in a van 511 00:21:48,200 --> 00:21:50,000 Speaker 2: and we travel around Europe together and played shows. 512 00:21:50,000 --> 00:21:51,960 Speaker 4: You know, She's an amazing, amazing woman. I'm very lucky. 513 00:21:52,119 --> 00:21:54,560 Speaker 3: Oh congratulations, what a story that is. 514 00:21:54,640 --> 00:21:56,280 Speaker 4: My god, thank you, thank you. 515 00:21:56,320 --> 00:21:59,800 Speaker 3: Really appreciate that she's lucky and you're lucky. It sounds 516 00:21:59,840 --> 00:22:02,439 Speaker 3: like in that regard, right, thank you. 517 00:22:02,520 --> 00:22:04,000 Speaker 4: Yeah, hopefully that's the case. 518 00:22:04,280 --> 00:22:07,520 Speaker 2: Hopefully unless unless my football team loses, then she's not 519 00:22:07,560 --> 00:22:08,000 Speaker 2: so lucky. 520 00:22:08,119 --> 00:22:08,840 Speaker 4: That's what I will say. 521 00:22:08,880 --> 00:22:12,919 Speaker 3: But there's a lot of musicians that often listen to 522 00:22:13,119 --> 00:22:18,719 Speaker 3: the podcast, and a lot of aspiring musicians. What advice 523 00:22:18,760 --> 00:22:22,520 Speaker 3: would you give to an aspiring musician who is working 524 00:22:22,600 --> 00:22:27,200 Speaker 3: hard with their craft and maybe hasn't broken through yet 525 00:22:27,240 --> 00:22:30,439 Speaker 3: at this point, maybe hasn't had a lucky break, What 526 00:22:30,560 --> 00:22:33,320 Speaker 3: advice would you give them? 527 00:22:33,640 --> 00:22:36,680 Speaker 2: I think, you know, for me, like obviously the knee 528 00:22:36,720 --> 00:22:38,560 Speaker 2: jit reaction is to say, like, don't give up or 529 00:22:38,640 --> 00:22:40,560 Speaker 2: keep going all things like this because you know, kind 530 00:22:40,560 --> 00:22:42,439 Speaker 2: of I guess that was you know, the kind of 531 00:22:43,200 --> 00:22:46,240 Speaker 2: the sort of like usual typical kind of advice that 532 00:22:46,240 --> 00:22:47,800 Speaker 2: you would give to somebody, which I think those things 533 00:22:47,840 --> 00:22:51,320 Speaker 2: are all valid and true. But for me, for me, 534 00:22:51,760 --> 00:22:54,760 Speaker 2: I would say advice that I would give to an 535 00:22:54,840 --> 00:22:57,600 Speaker 2: upcoming musician that maybe hasn't broken through yet, it's to 536 00:22:57,760 --> 00:23:01,560 Speaker 2: just it is to really hone their sound and their 537 00:23:01,560 --> 00:23:03,560 Speaker 2: craft and if they think something is cool, like keep 538 00:23:03,560 --> 00:23:05,560 Speaker 2: going with that, like you if you think that you're 539 00:23:05,560 --> 00:23:07,480 Speaker 2: working on something and you know you think it's really dope, 540 00:23:07,680 --> 00:23:10,280 Speaker 2: and also be creative, meet other people too, Like I 541 00:23:10,280 --> 00:23:12,520 Speaker 2: feel like for me, you know, I spent a long 542 00:23:12,560 --> 00:23:14,159 Speaker 2: time just trying to find my sound and trying to 543 00:23:14,200 --> 00:23:15,640 Speaker 2: find my thing. And if you feel like you've got 544 00:23:15,640 --> 00:23:17,600 Speaker 2: your sound and you've got your vibe, or even if 545 00:23:17,600 --> 00:23:19,480 Speaker 2: you haven't found that yet, I feel like it's always 546 00:23:19,520 --> 00:23:21,080 Speaker 2: a dope thing to go and meet other people. Like 547 00:23:21,119 --> 00:23:23,360 Speaker 2: I feel sometimes artists can be islands, you know, can 548 00:23:23,440 --> 00:23:25,560 Speaker 2: very much just like exist on their own being, their 549 00:23:25,560 --> 00:23:27,560 Speaker 2: own world and their own heads. And I feel like 550 00:23:27,560 --> 00:23:29,119 Speaker 2: that's a great thing to have, because that's how you 551 00:23:29,200 --> 00:23:32,160 Speaker 2: kind of create those artistic worlds. But never, ever, ever, ever, 552 00:23:32,240 --> 00:23:34,920 Speaker 2: in my personal opinion, you know, for whatever that's worth, 553 00:23:35,000 --> 00:23:38,040 Speaker 2: underestimate the value of finding other people and other creatives, 554 00:23:38,119 --> 00:23:40,080 Speaker 2: not only on a level to be able to be 555 00:23:40,119 --> 00:23:42,639 Speaker 2: inspired by and to say, hey, you know, here's this 556 00:23:42,720 --> 00:23:45,280 Speaker 2: massively cool, talented person that also hasn't had a lucky 557 00:23:45,280 --> 00:23:47,040 Speaker 2: break yet and so it isn't just me, you know, 558 00:23:47,040 --> 00:23:49,080 Speaker 2: because it can be quite easy to feel alone as 559 00:23:49,080 --> 00:23:51,360 Speaker 2: an artist. So I would say, you know, if you've 560 00:23:51,359 --> 00:23:53,480 Speaker 2: found your sound, you know, go and find some other 561 00:23:53,480 --> 00:23:55,800 Speaker 2: people who you dig, you respect, your love, and try 562 00:23:55,840 --> 00:23:58,640 Speaker 2: and come up together. And if you're still honing that sound, 563 00:23:58,680 --> 00:24:00,600 Speaker 2: like keep looking for it. Finding spray s go into 564 00:24:00,680 --> 00:24:03,000 Speaker 2: you know, frist stores and final crappy keyboards or whatever 565 00:24:03,000 --> 00:24:05,800 Speaker 2: you might do, or go down to local open mics 566 00:24:05,840 --> 00:24:07,200 Speaker 2: and meet other people who do stuff. 567 00:24:07,200 --> 00:24:08,320 Speaker 4: And how do you do that? How do you do 568 00:24:08,359 --> 00:24:10,080 Speaker 4: this and ingratiate yourself of it? 569 00:24:10,160 --> 00:24:14,440 Speaker 3: You know, Well, Dylan in closing, if you could collaborate 570 00:24:14,520 --> 00:24:20,119 Speaker 3: in the future with anybody past or present in the 571 00:24:20,240 --> 00:24:22,679 Speaker 3: music world, who would some of those people be? 572 00:24:24,080 --> 00:24:25,040 Speaker 4: Oh, you know what? 573 00:24:25,119 --> 00:24:29,879 Speaker 2: I absolutely one thing that absolutely devastated my heart of 574 00:24:30,000 --> 00:24:34,399 Speaker 2: hearts was when Charles Bradley passed away. He was such 575 00:24:34,480 --> 00:24:37,200 Speaker 2: an amazing artist and somebody that would absolutely have loved 576 00:24:37,200 --> 00:24:41,399 Speaker 2: to work with. Just somebody who you know, again just 577 00:24:41,480 --> 00:24:45,000 Speaker 2: epitomizes that resilience and that character of like, you know, 578 00:24:45,080 --> 00:24:46,840 Speaker 2: being a James Brown. I think it was James brown 579 00:24:46,880 --> 00:24:49,119 Speaker 2: tribute to act if I'm not mistaken for like so 580 00:24:49,200 --> 00:24:52,760 Speaker 2: many years and to have this you know, unbelievable sort 581 00:24:52,760 --> 00:24:56,040 Speaker 2: of quintessential soul voice that like was amazing until have 582 00:24:56,359 --> 00:24:59,760 Speaker 2: not been discovered until it's like late fifties, sixties. But 583 00:24:59,800 --> 00:25:01,399 Speaker 2: the and to kind of you know, finally get his 584 00:25:01,480 --> 00:25:03,200 Speaker 2: big break at that time and not to have given 585 00:25:03,280 --> 00:25:07,959 Speaker 2: up but just be this amazingly powerful talented voice. You know, 586 00:25:08,160 --> 00:25:11,120 Speaker 2: in one of the most powerful voices in this generation, 587 00:25:11,200 --> 00:25:13,760 Speaker 2: of any generation. In my opinion, that that's somebody that 588 00:25:13,800 --> 00:25:15,879 Speaker 2: I really would have loved to collaborate with. 589 00:25:17,320 --> 00:25:20,399 Speaker 3: Dylan, thank you so much for sharing your story. It 590 00:25:20,520 --> 00:25:24,840 Speaker 3: is wonderful to meet you. Your music is sensational. It 591 00:25:24,880 --> 00:25:27,960 Speaker 3: couldn't happen to a nicer person. We are all rooting 592 00:25:28,040 --> 00:25:31,199 Speaker 3: for you, and I'm so grateful that you took the 593 00:25:31,240 --> 00:25:33,160 Speaker 3: time to be on the Taking a Walk Podcast. 594 00:25:33,240 --> 00:25:36,080 Speaker 2: Dylan Cartilage Boys, thank you so much. 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