1 00:00:00,080 --> 00:00:15,840 Speaker 1: Hello, and welcome back to The K Factor Everything k 2 00:00:15,960 --> 00:00:17,120 Speaker 1: Pop hosted by Bomhan. 3 00:00:17,640 --> 00:00:20,240 Speaker 2: Today, we have another exciting episode for you guys today 4 00:00:20,320 --> 00:00:23,639 Speaker 2: with our expert Nina Orn talking about the intersections of 5 00:00:23,960 --> 00:00:27,080 Speaker 2: art and K pop. So little boring, but this is 6 00:00:27,120 --> 00:00:29,400 Speaker 2: something that I'm very passionate about and I'm very excited 7 00:00:29,440 --> 00:00:31,800 Speaker 2: to bring to the people, which is also her mission. 8 00:00:31,880 --> 00:00:34,639 Speaker 3: So uh, this will be a great episode to kick 9 00:00:34,720 --> 00:00:35,000 Speaker 3: us off. 10 00:00:35,000 --> 00:00:37,920 Speaker 2: Though, we always have the latest news and updates that's 11 00:00:37,920 --> 00:00:41,440 Speaker 2: happening in K pop today. So something that has been 12 00:00:41,440 --> 00:00:44,599 Speaker 2: happening lately is Juan Kouk. He's made his return from 13 00:00:44,640 --> 00:00:48,960 Speaker 2: the military very recently and he wore a make Japan 14 00:00:49,159 --> 00:00:52,680 Speaker 2: Great Again hats during one of his pre concert rehearsals 15 00:00:53,000 --> 00:00:56,680 Speaker 2: and it immediately sparked controversy online and it turned out 16 00:00:56,680 --> 00:00:59,960 Speaker 2: to be this huge, crazy storm, but he immediately apologized 17 00:01:00,440 --> 00:01:03,480 Speaker 2: and through his own words, said that he discarded the 18 00:01:03,560 --> 00:01:06,920 Speaker 2: hat immediately. Through his words, it turned from this huge, 19 00:01:07,000 --> 00:01:09,760 Speaker 2: kind of controversial storm to kind of an endearing moment 20 00:01:09,800 --> 00:01:12,919 Speaker 2: where you realize this is sincerity and how he actually 21 00:01:12,920 --> 00:01:14,880 Speaker 2: cares about his fans and his feedback and everything. So 22 00:01:16,240 --> 00:01:19,080 Speaker 2: that's what happening with junkuk and that's something that happened 23 00:01:19,080 --> 00:01:23,240 Speaker 2: and is now passed. Straight Kids releases their first Japanese 24 00:01:23,280 --> 00:01:26,040 Speaker 2: EP in three years, named Hollow, with the last one 25 00:01:26,080 --> 00:01:31,039 Speaker 2: being Circus in twenty and twenty two. Kapop Idols releasing 26 00:01:31,120 --> 00:01:34,399 Speaker 2: music in Japanese has been like this old trending thing 27 00:01:34,400 --> 00:01:36,480 Speaker 2: that's been happening for like ten plus years, and it 28 00:01:36,520 --> 00:01:38,520 Speaker 2: kind of reminds me of like American artists kind of 29 00:01:38,520 --> 00:01:41,679 Speaker 2: doing like songs in Spanish, you know, and trying to 30 00:01:41,680 --> 00:01:43,160 Speaker 2: like cross over to like their neighbors. 31 00:01:43,520 --> 00:01:45,880 Speaker 3: This this kind of like Korea's equivalent. They make a. 32 00:01:45,840 --> 00:01:48,800 Speaker 2: Japanese album, if it does like well enough, then they'll 33 00:01:48,840 --> 00:01:51,960 Speaker 2: make a Chinese album. And a lot of times they 34 00:01:51,960 --> 00:01:55,640 Speaker 2: don't speak Japanese. They also don't speak Chinese. So I'm 35 00:01:55,680 --> 00:01:59,920 Speaker 2: excited to hear that, and good Luxury Kids. Rose a Pot, 36 00:02:00,840 --> 00:02:03,760 Speaker 2: my seven year old neph my seven year old nephew's 37 00:02:03,760 --> 00:02:07,240 Speaker 2: favorite song ever is still in Billboards top one hundred 38 00:02:07,320 --> 00:02:08,600 Speaker 2: for thirty five weeks. 39 00:02:08,600 --> 00:02:08,799 Speaker 3: Now. 40 00:02:09,240 --> 00:02:12,799 Speaker 2: That is a record breaking longest run in kpeof history ever, 41 00:02:13,160 --> 00:02:17,400 Speaker 2: So congratulations to Rose and brutal Mars and Rose. 42 00:02:17,840 --> 00:02:18,200 Speaker 3: With that. 43 00:02:19,160 --> 00:02:22,000 Speaker 2: As we talking about Rose, there's also news happening with 44 00:02:22,080 --> 00:02:27,240 Speaker 2: Black Pink, Rose will join her former bandmates Jenny, Gisu 45 00:02:27,400 --> 00:02:30,560 Speaker 2: and Lisa for a tour named Deadline. People are kind 46 00:02:30,600 --> 00:02:32,560 Speaker 2: of naming the name because they think it's a little 47 00:02:32,560 --> 00:02:34,000 Speaker 2: bit too soon for them to have a world tour. 48 00:02:34,240 --> 00:02:36,600 Speaker 2: They're all kind of coming off of their solo projects 49 00:02:36,639 --> 00:02:37,919 Speaker 2: right now, so they're like, all, how are they gonna 50 00:02:37,919 --> 00:02:40,760 Speaker 2: fit this in their schedule? And they're saying it's called Deadline, 51 00:02:40,840 --> 00:02:42,960 Speaker 2: you know the other I'm not you're gonna make fun 52 00:02:43,000 --> 00:02:45,360 Speaker 2: of them. I support I support them, and I hope 53 00:02:45,360 --> 00:02:46,480 Speaker 2: that they will do great. 54 00:02:47,120 --> 00:02:48,760 Speaker 3: I'm very excited to see how it will turn out. 55 00:02:49,200 --> 00:02:54,080 Speaker 2: And with Black Pink coming back, BTS Coming Back BTS, 56 00:02:54,240 --> 00:02:57,359 Speaker 2: the final Infinity stone in BTS, Suga is coming out 57 00:02:57,400 --> 00:03:01,639 Speaker 2: of the military finally. So this is an exciting exciting 58 00:03:01,680 --> 00:03:04,000 Speaker 2: time for kpop right now. We have Voye Plant two 59 00:03:04,480 --> 00:03:07,000 Speaker 2: coming out. My group that I was talking about two 60 00:03:07,040 --> 00:03:10,880 Speaker 2: weeks ago, All Day Project, also made their debut last week. 61 00:03:10,919 --> 00:03:13,200 Speaker 2: We took a little bit of a vacation from the 62 00:03:13,200 --> 00:03:15,240 Speaker 2: podcast to kind of focus on all the preparations for 63 00:03:15,240 --> 00:03:17,280 Speaker 2: the music video and all this stuff. As we approach 64 00:03:17,400 --> 00:03:20,720 Speaker 2: LA and the release of dum So Thank you guys 65 00:03:20,760 --> 00:03:23,600 Speaker 2: for understanding your patients for kind of like the week 66 00:03:23,639 --> 00:03:26,280 Speaker 2: without the episode, and yeah, that's what's happening. 67 00:03:26,560 --> 00:03:29,600 Speaker 3: That's what's happening in K pop today and these are 68 00:03:29,680 --> 00:03:30,720 Speaker 3: the exciting news. 69 00:03:31,080 --> 00:03:34,120 Speaker 2: And we're gonna move on to another segment that we 70 00:03:34,200 --> 00:03:39,840 Speaker 2: have on our Instagram K Factor podcast. We do fan engagements. 71 00:03:39,880 --> 00:03:41,800 Speaker 2: We asked you guys to participate on the show. We 72 00:03:41,920 --> 00:03:44,880 Speaker 2: invite you guys to come on, and this week's segment 73 00:03:45,160 --> 00:03:47,840 Speaker 2: is you guys kind of submitting a question for us 74 00:03:47,840 --> 00:03:51,360 Speaker 2: to answer live on air. The first question that we 75 00:03:51,400 --> 00:03:57,560 Speaker 2: have is from fay Tans fay Tans Angel, and she asked, 76 00:03:57,560 --> 00:04:00,200 Speaker 2: what was the hardest part of training? I want to 77 00:04:00,200 --> 00:04:01,960 Speaker 2: audition for a company, but I don't know how it is. 78 00:04:02,120 --> 00:04:04,600 Speaker 2: She's talking about K pop and my time in Korea 79 00:04:04,640 --> 00:04:07,200 Speaker 2: when I was training there. The hardest part about training 80 00:04:07,560 --> 00:04:12,320 Speaker 2: is I think sleep every single day. I think I 81 00:04:12,320 --> 00:04:15,960 Speaker 2: slept like three hours if I was lucky, and then 82 00:04:16,279 --> 00:04:18,920 Speaker 2: it kind of like, is not that bad the first day, 83 00:04:19,279 --> 00:04:21,560 Speaker 2: and the it's not that bad the second day, and 84 00:04:21,600 --> 00:04:23,360 Speaker 2: then the third day you're kind of like, Okay, this 85 00:04:23,440 --> 00:04:26,440 Speaker 2: kind of stinks, and by like the like the second 86 00:04:26,520 --> 00:04:30,320 Speaker 2: year in a row, you kind of like the alarm 87 00:04:30,400 --> 00:04:32,400 Speaker 2: rings and you just gotta find a way to get up, 88 00:04:32,600 --> 00:04:34,120 Speaker 2: and you just gotta just gotta get them. 89 00:04:33,960 --> 00:04:34,520 Speaker 3: No matter what. 90 00:04:34,720 --> 00:04:37,599 Speaker 2: It never gets easier. And uh, you want to audition 91 00:04:37,680 --> 00:04:38,919 Speaker 2: for a company, but you don't know how it is. 92 00:04:38,960 --> 00:04:41,880 Speaker 2: We have a bunch of conversations about K pop on 93 00:04:41,880 --> 00:04:44,680 Speaker 2: our podcast. You can find us on iHeartRadio app. And 94 00:04:44,720 --> 00:04:47,320 Speaker 2: I talked to a former kpot trainee. I talked to 95 00:04:48,320 --> 00:04:50,480 Speaker 2: like idols and all these things, and I hope you 96 00:04:50,520 --> 00:04:53,200 Speaker 2: can find some inspiration about the experiences and kind of 97 00:04:53,200 --> 00:04:55,159 Speaker 2: like the insight on what that's like. 98 00:04:55,640 --> 00:04:58,120 Speaker 3: So thank you for your question Faetan's. And next we 99 00:04:58,279 --> 00:04:59,920 Speaker 3: have Molly k Dot. 100 00:05:00,440 --> 00:05:03,400 Speaker 2: She asked, can you give us some spoilers of the 101 00:05:03,480 --> 00:05:06,359 Speaker 2: concept of the album or music video? Okay, so we 102 00:05:06,440 --> 00:05:10,120 Speaker 2: have a song coming out called dum and a spoiler 103 00:05:10,160 --> 00:05:13,400 Speaker 2: of the concept. What can I say, Becauley, Yeah, that's 104 00:05:13,400 --> 00:05:16,080 Speaker 2: all you get. That's all you get, because yes, that's 105 00:05:16,080 --> 00:05:19,839 Speaker 2: all you get it sparkly there you go, all right. 106 00:05:19,960 --> 00:05:20,600 Speaker 3: Next we have. 107 00:05:22,440 --> 00:05:25,520 Speaker 2: Next we have Harper Wilson for four two. She asked, 108 00:05:25,640 --> 00:05:29,440 Speaker 2: what is your goal as an idol? My goal as 109 00:05:29,440 --> 00:05:31,480 Speaker 2: an idol? Actually, I'll be able to answer this a 110 00:05:31,520 --> 00:05:34,600 Speaker 2: little bit more in depth in today's episode, because it's 111 00:05:34,680 --> 00:05:36,640 Speaker 2: kind of about the nuances of art and like what 112 00:05:36,680 --> 00:05:39,680 Speaker 2: it is that we represent. But I want to be 113 00:05:39,800 --> 00:05:43,320 Speaker 2: there for people that the same way that art was 114 00:05:43,360 --> 00:05:45,360 Speaker 2: there for me when I was a kid, and it's 115 00:05:45,440 --> 00:05:47,960 Speaker 2: to have someone to look up to, have someone that 116 00:05:48,000 --> 00:05:52,719 Speaker 2: they see that's very similar to themselves. And yeah, I 117 00:05:52,760 --> 00:05:55,880 Speaker 2: want to inspire and I want to provide comfort for people. Yeah, 118 00:05:55,880 --> 00:05:58,080 Speaker 2: that's kind of it. And if it works out for 119 00:05:58,080 --> 00:06:03,200 Speaker 2: one person, then then everything was a success. Next, we 120 00:06:03,360 --> 00:06:07,240 Speaker 2: have BKM Entertainment. She asked, when can b KM have 121 00:06:07,640 --> 00:06:12,760 Speaker 2: a cameo on the podcast? Honestly, probably next week and 122 00:06:12,800 --> 00:06:14,719 Speaker 2: that goes for all of you guys. If you guys 123 00:06:14,720 --> 00:06:17,240 Speaker 2: follow us on social media at k Factor Podcast, you 124 00:06:17,279 --> 00:06:19,480 Speaker 2: guys can find resources where you can sign up to 125 00:06:19,560 --> 00:06:21,919 Speaker 2: be a guest on this podcast. This podcast is all 126 00:06:21,960 --> 00:06:23,880 Speaker 2: about the fans, So if you guys want to engage 127 00:06:23,880 --> 00:06:25,400 Speaker 2: and do all these things, just engage with us and 128 00:06:25,440 --> 00:06:27,040 Speaker 2: we engage back with you live on here. 129 00:06:27,440 --> 00:06:30,040 Speaker 3: So so probably soon be KM. 130 00:06:30,440 --> 00:06:32,599 Speaker 2: And they told me to address you specifically be Cam 131 00:06:32,680 --> 00:06:36,840 Speaker 2: because you guys are amazing fans, so thank you. Next 132 00:06:36,880 --> 00:06:40,039 Speaker 2: we have Matsy Barnier. She asks, what is a motivational 133 00:06:40,120 --> 00:06:41,920 Speaker 2: quote you go by that helps? 134 00:06:42,320 --> 00:06:42,839 Speaker 3: Wow? 135 00:06:43,160 --> 00:06:47,679 Speaker 2: Wow, motivational quote that you go by that helps? Hmmm, wow, 136 00:06:48,040 --> 00:06:50,880 Speaker 2: I picked this question. I didn't even I don't even know. 137 00:06:51,080 --> 00:06:52,599 Speaker 2: Maybe maybe i'll ask Nina later. 138 00:06:54,000 --> 00:06:57,159 Speaker 3: She could give me one. Sorry, matt Sorry, Mattie. 139 00:06:58,560 --> 00:06:58,760 Speaker 4: Thanks. 140 00:06:58,920 --> 00:07:02,440 Speaker 2: We have truly under school with Beaumont's girlfriend. Oh okay, 141 00:07:02,600 --> 00:07:05,400 Speaker 2: all right, that's news to me, ask K pop News. 142 00:07:06,200 --> 00:07:09,120 Speaker 2: Thank you, Julia. Okay, what are you doing now that 143 00:07:09,200 --> 00:07:11,640 Speaker 2: you couldn't do as an idol before? And I love you? 144 00:07:12,000 --> 00:07:13,160 Speaker 2: Oh what am I doing now? 145 00:07:13,560 --> 00:07:16,200 Speaker 3: I think see my family? That's pretty that's pretty cool. 146 00:07:16,600 --> 00:07:18,800 Speaker 2: I'm in New York right now, and I'm kind of 147 00:07:18,880 --> 00:07:22,280 Speaker 2: living with my mom while i'm here, and it's so amazing. 148 00:07:22,320 --> 00:07:23,680 Speaker 3: I have to wake up every day and see her. 149 00:07:23,760 --> 00:07:25,160 Speaker 2: And it's like you kind of like take these things 150 00:07:25,200 --> 00:07:26,640 Speaker 2: for granted, and like they're kind of like getting a 151 00:07:26,680 --> 00:07:29,120 Speaker 2: little bit older, and uh, when I spend like my 152 00:07:29,160 --> 00:07:30,880 Speaker 2: six years in career, I literally I talked to them 153 00:07:30,920 --> 00:07:32,400 Speaker 2: like once every like four or five months, and I 154 00:07:32,440 --> 00:07:34,600 Speaker 2: miss them so much. So that's something I'm doing now. 155 00:07:35,000 --> 00:07:37,400 Speaker 2: So yeah, thank you for asking Julia and that's it 156 00:07:37,440 --> 00:07:40,040 Speaker 2: for fan questions, and Maddie, we will get back to you. 157 00:07:40,160 --> 00:07:43,600 Speaker 2: I promise I need some inspiration these days. Maybe it 158 00:07:43,600 --> 00:07:47,800 Speaker 2: will help me all right, these this is our K 159 00:07:47,960 --> 00:07:52,040 Speaker 2: pop news, This is our fan questions and next coming up. 160 00:07:52,280 --> 00:07:56,760 Speaker 2: Today's guest is a visionary at the forefront of culture, capital, 161 00:07:56,880 --> 00:07:57,840 Speaker 2: and creative innovation. 162 00:07:58,080 --> 00:08:00,960 Speaker 3: Stay with me because I've tried this problem three times ready. 163 00:08:01,640 --> 00:08:04,120 Speaker 2: Nino orm is the founder and general partner of the 164 00:08:04,160 --> 00:08:07,480 Speaker 2: Agora Fund, a venture capital fund investing in cultural innovation 165 00:08:07,560 --> 00:08:11,040 Speaker 2: through the creative economy. Her work lives at the intersection 166 00:08:11,120 --> 00:08:14,960 Speaker 2: of creativity, culture, and finance, with a mission to reimagine 167 00:08:15,000 --> 00:08:18,600 Speaker 2: how we fund, value, and sustain creative work in society. 168 00:08:18,600 --> 00:08:19,080 Speaker 3: Stay with me. 169 00:08:19,560 --> 00:08:22,560 Speaker 5: She's also the voice beats Beat. She's also the voice 170 00:08:22,600 --> 00:08:26,920 Speaker 5: behind Creativity Meets Capital, a newsletter exploring the business of 171 00:08:26,960 --> 00:08:30,320 Speaker 5: culture and the future of creative infrastructure from fashion to 172 00:08:30,440 --> 00:08:34,520 Speaker 5: film to fine art and maybe k pop. If you 173 00:08:34,640 --> 00:08:37,640 Speaker 5: care about how artists, how creative industry scale, or how 174 00:08:37,679 --> 00:08:41,120 Speaker 5: cultural movements shape global. 175 00:08:40,760 --> 00:08:43,480 Speaker 2: Power, this is a conversation that you don't want to miss. Everybody, 176 00:08:43,480 --> 00:08:48,559 Speaker 2: please welcome Nina or thank you for coming onto the show. 177 00:08:49,200 --> 00:08:51,640 Speaker 2: And I am very nervous about this conversation because, like 178 00:08:51,679 --> 00:08:54,080 Speaker 2: I told you earlier, I was scrolling through your content 179 00:08:54,160 --> 00:08:56,080 Speaker 2: and I was like, this is a lot of big words. 180 00:08:57,280 --> 00:09:01,880 Speaker 4: No, yep, don't be nervous. I'm nervous. You're nervous. I'm 181 00:09:01,880 --> 00:09:02,840 Speaker 4: feeling your energy. 182 00:09:03,080 --> 00:09:03,440 Speaker 3: Okay. 183 00:09:03,760 --> 00:09:05,280 Speaker 4: Oh okay, So we gotta be chilled. 184 00:09:05,280 --> 00:09:07,640 Speaker 2: Okay, this is chill. This is already me like kind 185 00:09:07,640 --> 00:09:09,760 Speaker 2: of chill. Like I wake up and I started my 186 00:09:09,800 --> 00:09:10,920 Speaker 2: day with like six coffees. 187 00:09:11,920 --> 00:09:12,280 Speaker 4: Damn. 188 00:09:12,440 --> 00:09:14,720 Speaker 2: Yeah, and like I take like pre workout before like 189 00:09:14,760 --> 00:09:16,240 Speaker 2: going to the gym and stuff, Like I'm like a 190 00:09:16,280 --> 00:09:16,920 Speaker 2: caffeine head. 191 00:09:17,160 --> 00:09:17,800 Speaker 3: It's really bad. 192 00:09:19,280 --> 00:09:19,720 Speaker 1: Yeah. 193 00:09:19,800 --> 00:09:20,880 Speaker 4: So you don't sleep much? 194 00:09:21,280 --> 00:09:23,000 Speaker 3: You just no, he do sleep a lot. 195 00:09:23,000 --> 00:09:24,559 Speaker 2: That's the problem. That's why I have so much energy. 196 00:09:24,679 --> 00:09:26,880 Speaker 2: Is Yeah, I'm kind of like shake it off at 197 00:09:26,880 --> 00:09:35,200 Speaker 2: all times. Whoo well, okay, I just sorry. So before 198 00:09:35,240 --> 00:09:37,280 Speaker 2: we invited her on, she was like, I'm kind of 199 00:09:37,280 --> 00:09:40,080 Speaker 2: like a yapper. Is that okay? I'm like, yeah, me too, 200 00:09:40,720 --> 00:09:44,040 Speaker 2: sonord to not go through like kind of us up 201 00:09:44,040 --> 00:09:46,520 Speaker 2: all the time that we have. Yeah, could you also 202 00:09:46,640 --> 00:09:50,680 Speaker 2: talk about yourself? Yeah, So just a little bit quick 203 00:09:50,760 --> 00:09:54,320 Speaker 2: hits about me. So I've always been a creative at heart. 204 00:09:54,520 --> 00:09:56,920 Speaker 2: My mom kind of always would talk about like Nina, 205 00:09:57,000 --> 00:10:00,920 Speaker 2: you're like my little renaissance child. And we were talking 206 00:10:00,920 --> 00:10:03,960 Speaker 2: about before, like how I'm also Cambodia and my mom 207 00:10:04,040 --> 00:10:07,800 Speaker 2: is from Cambodia. So when I pitched to her when 208 00:10:07,800 --> 00:10:10,120 Speaker 2: I was thinking about going off to college of like 209 00:10:10,240 --> 00:10:13,439 Speaker 2: what am I gonna do with my life creativity or 210 00:10:13,520 --> 00:10:15,440 Speaker 2: career in that was not an option. 211 00:10:15,640 --> 00:10:18,160 Speaker 4: She was like, can you get a real job? And 212 00:10:18,200 --> 00:10:21,160 Speaker 4: to her point, I was just like we only had 213 00:10:21,200 --> 00:10:24,760 Speaker 4: so much information. She's she's gone through so many things 214 00:10:24,920 --> 00:10:29,120 Speaker 4: in her life and especially escaping political violence in Cambodia, 215 00:10:29,360 --> 00:10:32,480 Speaker 4: So it was the focus was always like stability and 216 00:10:32,520 --> 00:10:35,079 Speaker 4: like financial security. So I went in and I worked 217 00:10:35,120 --> 00:10:38,559 Speaker 4: in politics. That's where I started my career, and eventually 218 00:10:38,600 --> 00:10:42,679 Speaker 4: I went into finance. But I'm an astro girly, I'm 219 00:10:42,679 --> 00:10:45,200 Speaker 4: a pisce. He's at heart, So I'm like I was 220 00:10:45,240 --> 00:10:48,160 Speaker 4: going through my stat in return, I'm like, what makes 221 00:10:48,200 --> 00:10:51,160 Speaker 4: me happy? Because finance, girl, it is not it not 222 00:10:51,200 --> 00:10:55,920 Speaker 4: in the traditional sense. So I was like, what makes me, 223 00:10:56,640 --> 00:10:59,480 Speaker 4: what brings me joy? What it's gonna like get me 224 00:10:59,679 --> 00:11:01,560 Speaker 4: to like get up in the morning on a one 225 00:11:01,679 --> 00:11:05,080 Speaker 4: hundred and ten percent, and I just thought the answer 226 00:11:05,120 --> 00:11:09,440 Speaker 4: lies in your childhood, and for me, it was, let's 227 00:11:09,480 --> 00:11:11,680 Speaker 4: go back to being a creative, but apply all the 228 00:11:11,720 --> 00:11:14,240 Speaker 4: skills we learn in politics, all the skills we learn 229 00:11:14,320 --> 00:11:18,240 Speaker 4: in finance, and create a world that my friends and 230 00:11:18,240 --> 00:11:21,199 Speaker 4: I can live in and you don't have to sacrifice 231 00:11:21,400 --> 00:11:24,600 Speaker 4: choosing between your passion and like financial stability. You can 232 00:11:24,640 --> 00:11:25,400 Speaker 4: actually have both. 233 00:11:25,520 --> 00:11:28,640 Speaker 2: And this led to the thing that I was most 234 00:11:28,679 --> 00:11:31,480 Speaker 2: excited for, the Agora Fund. 235 00:11:31,600 --> 00:11:34,680 Speaker 3: Correct, what is okay? What is the Agora Fund? 236 00:11:34,840 --> 00:11:37,880 Speaker 4: The Agora Fund is an investment fund. It's like the 237 00:11:37,880 --> 00:11:42,000 Speaker 4: first of its kind creative investment fund that backs visionaries 238 00:11:42,080 --> 00:11:46,880 Speaker 4: and film, fashion, are in sometimes media. And we're basically saying, 239 00:11:47,120 --> 00:11:51,120 Speaker 4: or I'm basically saying that creativity isn't just like a 240 00:11:51,160 --> 00:11:54,800 Speaker 4: side project. It isn't just something like a floating thought 241 00:11:55,040 --> 00:11:58,000 Speaker 4: or we just enjoy on our leisure time. And it's 242 00:11:58,040 --> 00:12:03,320 Speaker 4: actually a major asset and it's the very bedrock and 243 00:12:03,360 --> 00:12:08,520 Speaker 4: foundation of society and it drives innovation moving forward. And 244 00:12:08,679 --> 00:12:10,719 Speaker 4: I'm just redefining how we invest in it. 245 00:12:11,240 --> 00:12:14,960 Speaker 2: Wow, and you're telling me that, like what inspired this 246 00:12:15,000 --> 00:12:16,800 Speaker 2: whole thing was like growing up with such like a 247 00:12:16,800 --> 00:12:18,800 Speaker 2: passion for art, and then when you like dove into 248 00:12:18,840 --> 00:12:20,600 Speaker 2: the finance world, like you're like. 249 00:12:20,559 --> 00:12:22,320 Speaker 3: This is kind of like lifeless. 250 00:12:23,120 --> 00:12:25,800 Speaker 4: Yeah, like I always used to say that. I'm like, 251 00:12:25,800 --> 00:12:29,680 Speaker 4: they're kind of like spiritually bankrupt over there. They could 252 00:12:29,840 --> 00:12:32,600 Speaker 4: use a little creativity outlet. 253 00:12:33,400 --> 00:12:36,680 Speaker 2: And you mentioned art as an asset, which I which 254 00:12:36,679 --> 00:12:39,640 Speaker 2: I'm very interested in. And also like I think the 255 00:12:39,679 --> 00:12:43,079 Speaker 2: reason why like it's important for us to talk about 256 00:12:43,120 --> 00:12:46,080 Speaker 2: in terms of K pop too is because k pop 257 00:12:46,240 --> 00:12:47,920 Speaker 2: was one of Korea's biggest exports. 258 00:12:48,040 --> 00:12:50,439 Speaker 3: Yeah, like the country. 259 00:12:50,480 --> 00:12:53,600 Speaker 2: You know, So it's like this is proof that art 260 00:12:53,640 --> 00:12:55,800 Speaker 2: can be an asset and all these things. So like 261 00:12:56,120 --> 00:12:59,280 Speaker 2: how how where does that kind of notion come from? 262 00:12:59,840 --> 00:13:01,840 Speaker 2: Like the investors, like what is going on in their head? 263 00:13:01,840 --> 00:13:04,199 Speaker 2: Whenre We're like, oh, like I don't really see art 264 00:13:04,240 --> 00:13:04,520 Speaker 2: as this. 265 00:13:05,080 --> 00:13:05,280 Speaker 1: You know. 266 00:13:05,800 --> 00:13:08,640 Speaker 4: When I was starting the journey, I left my job 267 00:13:08,640 --> 00:13:11,200 Speaker 4: and I like actually didn't know exactly what I wanted 268 00:13:11,200 --> 00:13:12,880 Speaker 4: to do. I knew I wanted to help creatives, and 269 00:13:12,920 --> 00:13:15,280 Speaker 4: I knew I had the knowledge. So I worked at 270 00:13:15,320 --> 00:13:18,520 Speaker 4: an art investment firm in New York. There is one 271 00:13:18,800 --> 00:13:23,640 Speaker 4: fun fact, okay, and I took a sales job because 272 00:13:23,679 --> 00:13:25,480 Speaker 4: I'm like, you can't have a fund, your own investment 273 00:13:25,520 --> 00:13:28,160 Speaker 4: fund while you work at someone else's. So I was 274 00:13:28,200 --> 00:13:31,880 Speaker 4: working the sales job, and I would dial like eight 275 00:13:31,960 --> 00:13:34,920 Speaker 4: hundred people a day, and they would be like managing directors, 276 00:13:35,360 --> 00:13:39,760 Speaker 4: owners of hedge funds, like all these like finance heavy 277 00:13:39,880 --> 00:13:42,000 Speaker 4: or high net worth individuals, and they'd all say the 278 00:13:42,040 --> 00:13:45,160 Speaker 4: same thing, like I don't know much about art, and 279 00:13:45,280 --> 00:13:48,440 Speaker 4: like I don't understand this as an asset class. And 280 00:13:48,480 --> 00:13:51,600 Speaker 4: so I would say, because I just I do it 281 00:13:51,600 --> 00:13:54,360 Speaker 4: for the love of the game. So like I love 282 00:13:54,520 --> 00:13:57,720 Speaker 4: art so much that I've like, this is what I 283 00:13:57,720 --> 00:14:00,400 Speaker 4: think about on my free time, Okay, And so I'd 284 00:14:00,480 --> 00:14:02,720 Speaker 4: just be like, hey, from an investors standpoint, I'm like, 285 00:14:02,760 --> 00:14:05,080 Speaker 4: if you're strictly for the returns, it's a great head 286 00:14:05,120 --> 00:14:08,440 Speaker 4: for your portfolio. It outperforms the traditional market by like 287 00:14:08,840 --> 00:14:11,600 Speaker 4: the S and P by forty three percent for the 288 00:14:11,679 --> 00:14:16,280 Speaker 4: past thirty years. Yeah, yeah, now we're talking, okay. And 289 00:14:16,320 --> 00:14:19,120 Speaker 4: then there's something I think is even more valuable than 290 00:14:19,240 --> 00:14:23,800 Speaker 4: just the financial the cultural residence. And how when I 291 00:14:23,880 --> 00:14:26,320 Speaker 4: position the Agora Fund, when I talk about it too, 292 00:14:26,400 --> 00:14:31,160 Speaker 4: it's like I'm ushering in the modern renaissance. And you know, 293 00:14:31,200 --> 00:14:35,200 Speaker 4: the Renaissance happened back from the fourteen hundreds up until 294 00:14:35,240 --> 00:14:38,280 Speaker 4: like this sixteen seventeen hundreds. It's always a little mushy 295 00:14:38,360 --> 00:14:40,960 Speaker 4: there when we talk about the time period because it's 296 00:14:41,200 --> 00:14:47,320 Speaker 4: this period of like economic, technological, and cultural boom, so 297 00:14:47,440 --> 00:14:50,040 Speaker 4: much advancement happening, and I think it's very parallel to 298 00:14:50,080 --> 00:14:54,400 Speaker 4: what's happening now. Okay, you know, I'd say the world's 299 00:14:54,440 --> 00:14:57,640 Speaker 4: going through a transition period, whether it's through politics, whether 300 00:14:57,680 --> 00:15:01,880 Speaker 4: it's through culture, and even like just technology on its own. 301 00:15:03,120 --> 00:15:06,240 Speaker 4: And that was happening in the Renaissance. You had these 302 00:15:06,280 --> 00:15:10,040 Speaker 4: creatives that were bankrolled by these families to bring in 303 00:15:10,120 --> 00:15:13,920 Speaker 4: not just the art aspect, but like people like da Vinci, 304 00:15:14,040 --> 00:15:18,680 Speaker 4: where they actually he drew up these weapons for the 305 00:15:18,720 --> 00:15:22,320 Speaker 4: battles that they were fighting during that time period. So 306 00:15:22,400 --> 00:15:26,160 Speaker 4: it had it served multiple purposes. But back to the 307 00:15:26,200 --> 00:15:28,600 Speaker 4: Yugora fond with the Renaissance, I'm like, I'm just bringing 308 00:15:28,800 --> 00:15:31,960 Speaker 4: the Renaissance in modern times in terms of it's not 309 00:15:32,120 --> 00:15:35,920 Speaker 4: just a bunch of Italians with great Italians, Okay, it's 310 00:15:37,000 --> 00:15:40,280 Speaker 4: like everybody under the sun that's historically been left out 311 00:15:40,320 --> 00:15:44,440 Speaker 4: of the fold that people then see as backable. 312 00:15:45,480 --> 00:15:49,560 Speaker 2: Was there like a big financial supporter during the Renaissance. 313 00:15:49,680 --> 00:15:56,280 Speaker 4: Yes, oh okay, yeah, so yeah, the Minici family where yeah, 314 00:15:56,560 --> 00:16:01,120 Speaker 4: they were these powerful bankers in Europe. Okay, and they 315 00:16:01,200 --> 00:16:03,840 Speaker 4: were like, I have all this money, I have all 316 00:16:03,840 --> 00:16:08,800 Speaker 4: this influence, and I see these artists, these geniuses, these 317 00:16:08,960 --> 00:16:13,080 Speaker 4: cultural visionaries. I can use them to my advantage to 318 00:16:13,400 --> 00:16:16,440 Speaker 4: advance my own motives, but also leave something behind for 319 00:16:16,600 --> 00:16:20,080 Speaker 4: people who don't have many g money, right, And I 320 00:16:20,080 --> 00:16:22,640 Speaker 4: think we've lost the plot a bit with our billionaires 321 00:16:22,720 --> 00:16:26,520 Speaker 4: now in terms. Maybe I'm a little stated, but it's true. 322 00:16:26,560 --> 00:16:29,040 Speaker 4: I'm like, uh, something about the fact the ones that 323 00:16:29,080 --> 00:16:30,880 Speaker 4: we read about in the headlines all the time, they 324 00:16:31,000 --> 00:16:34,720 Speaker 4: just don't understand what was laid out before them by 325 00:16:35,160 --> 00:16:37,960 Speaker 4: I like to call them their colleagues where they would 326 00:16:38,000 --> 00:16:41,720 Speaker 4: give back to society, Like I think about the Vanderbilts 327 00:16:41,760 --> 00:16:46,680 Speaker 4: Grand Central, and they were a railroad family. But you 328 00:16:46,720 --> 00:16:48,640 Speaker 4: walk in Grand Central You're like, this is the most 329 00:16:48,680 --> 00:16:53,440 Speaker 4: beautiful building I've ever seen. Or libraries, the Mett Museum, 330 00:16:54,080 --> 00:16:56,680 Speaker 4: these places where you can just you don't have to 331 00:16:56,680 --> 00:16:58,880 Speaker 4: be a billionaire to appreciate the beauty of what was 332 00:16:58,960 --> 00:17:02,560 Speaker 4: laid before you mm hm and learn about the past. 333 00:17:02,920 --> 00:17:06,040 Speaker 4: So we can bring about amazing change in the future. 334 00:17:07,400 --> 00:17:08,600 Speaker 3: I think. I think it's cool. 335 00:17:08,760 --> 00:17:12,760 Speaker 2: How like these other things that are typically like invested in, right, 336 00:17:12,880 --> 00:17:15,399 Speaker 2: Like it's like it's a clear path, it's clearer for 337 00:17:15,440 --> 00:17:17,240 Speaker 2: the investor. It's like, oh, like I invest in like 338 00:17:17,280 --> 00:17:19,840 Speaker 2: science probably like cure cancer. I't you know, I invest 339 00:17:19,880 --> 00:17:21,480 Speaker 2: in like I invest in this and I will give 340 00:17:21,480 --> 00:17:22,520 Speaker 2: me this amount of returns. 341 00:17:22,880 --> 00:17:23,080 Speaker 3: Right. 342 00:17:23,119 --> 00:17:27,600 Speaker 2: But then there's significance in creativity, yes, and supporting creativity 343 00:17:27,760 --> 00:17:29,840 Speaker 2: and a lot of the times, like like you mentioned 344 00:17:30,080 --> 00:17:32,680 Speaker 2: when you were a little bit younger and you were like, hey, 345 00:17:34,040 --> 00:17:36,200 Speaker 2: I'm gonna go do something creative and they're like, oh, 346 00:17:36,240 --> 00:17:37,480 Speaker 2: so you're gonna be homeless. 347 00:17:37,920 --> 00:17:40,720 Speaker 4: Yeah yeah, I'm like, oh, like you know. 348 00:17:40,880 --> 00:17:43,679 Speaker 2: But the world is built by these creatives were so 349 00:17:44,119 --> 00:17:46,560 Speaker 2: pushed away by this. It's like, we need doctors in 350 00:17:46,600 --> 00:17:48,840 Speaker 2: the world, so we reward them with money, you know, 351 00:17:49,080 --> 00:17:51,200 Speaker 2: and we make it a promising thing. So I kind 352 00:17:51,200 --> 00:17:54,399 Speaker 2: of approach, and we also need artists, like even in 353 00:17:54,440 --> 00:17:56,560 Speaker 2: like the Google workspace and like all these things like 354 00:17:56,600 --> 00:17:58,760 Speaker 2: they have like all these bright vibrant colors like promote 355 00:17:58,760 --> 00:18:00,840 Speaker 2: like creativity and like all these things like it's an 356 00:18:00,840 --> 00:18:03,440 Speaker 2: important thing, right, But that people don't really see that. 357 00:18:03,600 --> 00:18:06,000 Speaker 4: Which is crazy because to your point, since we were 358 00:18:06,000 --> 00:18:08,680 Speaker 4: talking about K pop, right, I'm like, they're the This 359 00:18:08,880 --> 00:18:11,320 Speaker 4: industry is the best example I could think of in 360 00:18:11,400 --> 00:18:15,760 Speaker 4: terms of this is why you bankroll creatives. K pop 361 00:18:15,880 --> 00:18:18,440 Speaker 4: is It's not just music to me when I look 362 00:18:18,440 --> 00:18:20,840 Speaker 4: at it, I'm like, this is an empire, and a 363 00:18:20,960 --> 00:18:24,119 Speaker 4: very successful one at that. You have music, but you 364 00:18:24,119 --> 00:18:27,199 Speaker 4: also have fashion. You have like these cultural moments that 365 00:18:27,240 --> 00:18:30,720 Speaker 4: are known that outlive sometimes like even artists or their 366 00:18:30,760 --> 00:18:34,120 Speaker 4: moment in the sun that inspire and branch off into 367 00:18:34,160 --> 00:18:37,959 Speaker 4: other beautiful things. And we have like kpop and all 368 00:18:38,000 --> 00:18:39,960 Speaker 4: these groups. I'm like, I'm still thinking about BTS and 369 00:18:40,000 --> 00:18:43,920 Speaker 4: Butter with that, Megna Sta I was like Nega Salliad. 370 00:18:44,680 --> 00:18:47,840 Speaker 2: The first episode that we recorded, we interviewed the person 371 00:18:47,880 --> 00:18:50,359 Speaker 2: who wrote Butter, and they were talking about like like 372 00:18:50,400 --> 00:18:52,560 Speaker 2: how and it was so beautiful talking about like his 373 00:18:52,800 --> 00:18:57,199 Speaker 2: life work was kind of was seen finally by the 374 00:18:57,200 --> 00:19:00,240 Speaker 2: public through the vessel of K pop, you know. Was 375 00:19:00,280 --> 00:19:02,280 Speaker 2: like like I kind of wrote down earlier, It was 376 00:19:02,280 --> 00:19:06,000 Speaker 2: like K pop is is also an intersection of all 377 00:19:06,040 --> 00:19:11,080 Speaker 2: these things of finance and film and music and fashion 378 00:19:11,119 --> 00:19:15,040 Speaker 2: and all these things and most importantly also finance, because 379 00:19:14,840 --> 00:19:18,520 Speaker 2: these companies, like in Korea, the entertainment companies, they're backed 380 00:19:18,520 --> 00:19:22,320 Speaker 2: by like these Korean conglomerates. Yeah, who, like they already know, 381 00:19:22,359 --> 00:19:24,360 Speaker 2: they're like, yo, we invest in this, this is what's 382 00:19:24,359 --> 00:19:26,679 Speaker 2: going to take our country forward, you know, And then 383 00:19:26,720 --> 00:19:28,840 Speaker 2: it did and it paid off, and I don't really 384 00:19:28,880 --> 00:19:30,520 Speaker 2: see that here yet. 385 00:19:31,040 --> 00:19:31,240 Speaker 1: You know. 386 00:19:32,920 --> 00:19:36,800 Speaker 4: It's interesting because I know we were kind of talking 387 00:19:36,840 --> 00:19:40,159 Speaker 4: before online about like k pop in terms of AI, 388 00:19:40,280 --> 00:19:43,320 Speaker 4: which is a it's a dirty word in that creative industry, 389 00:19:44,119 --> 00:19:47,879 Speaker 4: especially in K pop, because I did a video on 390 00:19:48,280 --> 00:19:52,320 Speaker 4: how the K pop industry does a beautiful job of 391 00:19:53,760 --> 00:19:57,640 Speaker 4: kind of giving these language learning models or ll ms 392 00:19:57,760 --> 00:20:01,800 Speaker 4: and AI material to work with, knows how to generate 393 00:20:01,880 --> 00:20:05,560 Speaker 4: ideas with more cultural nuance, which a lot of technology 394 00:20:06,040 --> 00:20:08,080 Speaker 4: does not have a. 395 00:20:08,040 --> 00:20:09,760 Speaker 3: Lot of what do you mean by that? 396 00:20:10,119 --> 00:20:13,359 Speaker 4: So when these models are trained, they're trained through a 397 00:20:13,480 --> 00:20:18,560 Speaker 4: very specific lens of Silicon valley or just one monolith, 398 00:20:19,760 --> 00:20:24,200 Speaker 4: and what tends to happen is it doesn't capture everybody's 399 00:20:24,400 --> 00:20:28,000 Speaker 4: experience and lived experience and the beauty in that. So 400 00:20:28,560 --> 00:20:30,840 Speaker 4: you have all these cultures that get left off to 401 00:20:30,920 --> 00:20:34,959 Speaker 4: the side because there's a very distinct perspective that's training 402 00:20:35,000 --> 00:20:37,959 Speaker 4: the models, and then you don't get the best outcomes 403 00:20:38,000 --> 00:20:40,840 Speaker 4: because you're not capturing what the world looks like every 404 00:20:40,920 --> 00:20:43,720 Speaker 4: day when you walk outside, especially in New York City. 405 00:20:44,359 --> 00:20:46,560 Speaker 4: So when we come back to like K pop, I 406 00:20:46,560 --> 00:20:49,760 Speaker 4: think it's great that it sets the tone of like, oh, okay, 407 00:20:49,800 --> 00:20:52,160 Speaker 4: there's this one culture here. Yes, but then they have 408 00:20:52,200 --> 00:20:56,920 Speaker 4: a very beautiful formula of success tied to this culture. 409 00:20:57,280 --> 00:21:01,320 Speaker 4: That also strengthens the argument of creativity is a worthy investment. 410 00:21:01,480 --> 00:21:05,560 Speaker 4: It's also still driving innovation, right, and the K pop 411 00:21:05,640 --> 00:21:09,800 Speaker 4: world is the best example for this. And then I 412 00:21:09,840 --> 00:21:13,639 Speaker 4: can go on and on about our fashion Oh my gosh, 413 00:21:13,640 --> 00:21:18,080 Speaker 4: but K pop encapsulates everybody in terms of like especially influenced. 414 00:21:18,080 --> 00:21:21,199 Speaker 4: I'm still thinking about Lisa from when she was hit 415 00:21:21,280 --> 00:21:23,360 Speaker 4: whiteladust oh. 416 00:21:22,920 --> 00:21:28,000 Speaker 6: Okay, oh, I think as peopful of how it just 417 00:21:28,040 --> 00:21:31,320 Speaker 6: platforms all these things, yeah, right, as kind of like 418 00:21:31,440 --> 00:21:33,720 Speaker 6: the position, kind of from the position that you are 419 00:21:33,880 --> 00:21:36,440 Speaker 6: looking into k pop and like being like this is 420 00:21:36,520 --> 00:21:38,040 Speaker 6: kind of like what my work is about. 421 00:21:38,440 --> 00:21:40,159 Speaker 2: But then it's not really an area that I'm one 422 00:21:40,240 --> 00:21:43,159 Speaker 2: hundred percent familiar with. What what are the positives that 423 00:21:43,200 --> 00:21:46,639 Speaker 2: you see in like in K pop, and like in 424 00:21:46,680 --> 00:21:49,760 Speaker 2: the positive positives of K pop growing as industry and 425 00:21:49,800 --> 00:21:50,800 Speaker 2: being more widespread. 426 00:21:52,040 --> 00:21:55,240 Speaker 4: I think the positives of the K pop industry is 427 00:21:55,400 --> 00:21:58,280 Speaker 4: I always think about community and how important it is 428 00:21:58,440 --> 00:22:01,600 Speaker 4: in that we should be building it out a lot more. 429 00:22:02,200 --> 00:22:03,639 Speaker 4: And I think a lot of brands, at least in 430 00:22:03,640 --> 00:22:07,960 Speaker 4: the United States, like they're they kind of get it right. 431 00:22:08,240 --> 00:22:10,840 Speaker 4: I think they just like look for the very quick, 432 00:22:10,960 --> 00:22:13,760 Speaker 4: trendy things and they don't do a good job building 433 00:22:13,760 --> 00:22:18,000 Speaker 4: cultural infrastructure through community. And I think K pop does 434 00:22:18,040 --> 00:22:23,440 Speaker 4: an exceptional job. I mean, it extends beyond its home 435 00:22:23,520 --> 00:22:26,240 Speaker 4: roots and it's here like what it tackled in the 436 00:22:26,400 --> 00:22:30,600 Speaker 4: United States. I like, I remember my coworkers would tell 437 00:22:30,600 --> 00:22:32,560 Speaker 4: me about like, oh I love this K pop star 438 00:22:32,600 --> 00:22:34,720 Speaker 4: and I'm not one hundred percent immersed in it, but 439 00:22:34,840 --> 00:22:36,879 Speaker 4: it's the fact that it has that level of reach, 440 00:22:37,160 --> 00:22:40,320 Speaker 4: right to like this random girl she was from Queens. 441 00:22:40,560 --> 00:22:43,080 Speaker 4: It's random, like white girl from Queens. I'm like, girl, what? 442 00:22:43,320 --> 00:22:45,520 Speaker 2: And then it begins with K pop and it's like, 443 00:22:45,760 --> 00:22:47,959 Speaker 2: like you said, like a cultural product. So then now 444 00:22:48,000 --> 00:22:50,040 Speaker 2: I'm going to x smart and now I'm probably going 445 00:22:50,040 --> 00:22:51,200 Speaker 2: to like buy some soju. 446 00:22:51,560 --> 00:22:52,600 Speaker 3: I'm going to I'll try. 447 00:22:52,440 --> 00:22:55,240 Speaker 2: Some kimchi, you know, and they're like, well, what was 448 00:22:55,280 --> 00:22:57,440 Speaker 2: there a k drama on Netflix? I I was s 449 00:22:57,440 --> 00:22:59,439 Speaker 2: here for Love Island, but I'll watch this y you know. 450 00:23:00,080 --> 00:23:03,040 Speaker 2: So it's like it's like a cultural product that that 451 00:23:03,680 --> 00:23:05,840 Speaker 2: like that that cap I was able to bring. 452 00:23:06,160 --> 00:23:07,600 Speaker 3: I brought careers to the world a little bit. 453 00:23:07,680 --> 00:23:10,520 Speaker 4: Yeah, and I love that and I think people need 454 00:23:10,560 --> 00:23:11,240 Speaker 4: more of that. 455 00:23:11,760 --> 00:23:16,040 Speaker 2: Like and like maybe so many things were inspired like 456 00:23:16,200 --> 00:23:18,120 Speaker 2: from the seed of that too, you know, like oh, 457 00:23:18,160 --> 00:23:21,560 Speaker 2: like Korean fashion being like more prevalent and like being 458 00:23:21,600 --> 00:23:23,800 Speaker 2: bleeding into like other places, and like how people wear 459 00:23:23,840 --> 00:23:25,800 Speaker 2: their clothes, you know, all kind of from that seat 460 00:23:25,800 --> 00:23:26,240 Speaker 2: to cape out. 461 00:23:26,920 --> 00:23:30,720 Speaker 4: Yeah, because I had to say. I always love when 462 00:23:30,760 --> 00:23:33,320 Speaker 4: people are introduced to new things and cultures. But then 463 00:23:33,359 --> 00:23:35,080 Speaker 4: I get mad because I'm like, why can't I buy 464 00:23:35,119 --> 00:23:36,480 Speaker 4: anything that I want? 465 00:23:37,119 --> 00:23:40,480 Speaker 7: It's like it's too popular now, like cut the cameras, 466 00:23:40,680 --> 00:23:42,919 Speaker 7: like cut the brakes, right? 467 00:23:43,920 --> 00:23:46,119 Speaker 4: Were you alley ooping me to the next topic? 468 00:23:46,119 --> 00:23:46,879 Speaker 3: That was kind of crazy? 469 00:23:46,920 --> 00:23:47,160 Speaker 4: Wow? 470 00:23:47,600 --> 00:23:51,600 Speaker 2: Yeah, Speaking of which, one thing that we wanted to 471 00:23:51,640 --> 00:23:53,800 Speaker 2: talk about was the Labubo toys. 472 00:23:54,880 --> 00:23:56,240 Speaker 3: Have you heard about labu bus? 473 00:23:56,320 --> 00:23:57,120 Speaker 4: My god? Yeah? 474 00:23:57,280 --> 00:23:59,879 Speaker 3: Okay, for people who don't know what a labuou? 475 00:24:00,520 --> 00:24:03,280 Speaker 4: What do you know? What could you explain to them? 476 00:24:03,400 --> 00:24:07,040 Speaker 4: They're like these ugly little I'm such a hater. They're 477 00:24:07,080 --> 00:24:10,560 Speaker 4: like these little dolls with a mischievous smile that are 478 00:24:10,640 --> 00:24:14,560 Speaker 4: super popular over in Asia. It started from some company 479 00:24:14,600 --> 00:24:17,119 Speaker 4: in Hong Kong, right, but then they just took the 480 00:24:17,160 --> 00:24:19,640 Speaker 4: world by storm, these ugly little trolls. 481 00:24:20,160 --> 00:24:23,000 Speaker 3: Yeah, they're so ugly. I love it. I love how 482 00:24:23,080 --> 00:24:23,680 Speaker 3: ugly they are. 483 00:24:24,359 --> 00:24:26,160 Speaker 4: Like the Pete Davidson of toys. 484 00:24:26,680 --> 00:24:28,720 Speaker 3: Oh wow, I you. 485 00:24:28,680 --> 00:24:30,600 Speaker 2: Know, controversial take. I think he's a handsome I think 486 00:24:30,600 --> 00:24:35,159 Speaker 2: he's a handling guy, Preete Davison. Okay, all right, but 487 00:24:35,200 --> 00:24:38,200 Speaker 2: I also love La Boo boos what okay? 488 00:24:38,280 --> 00:24:38,639 Speaker 4: All right? 489 00:24:39,440 --> 00:24:40,000 Speaker 3: You know it? 490 00:24:40,040 --> 00:24:43,679 Speaker 2: Actually it actually started with Black Pink Lisa, one of 491 00:24:43,720 --> 00:24:46,040 Speaker 2: the girls who's gonna be touring soon, and she had 492 00:24:46,080 --> 00:24:49,119 Speaker 2: one and then boom, it just started going and it 493 00:24:49,200 --> 00:24:51,359 Speaker 2: started going in and going. It started with her, and 494 00:24:51,400 --> 00:24:54,960 Speaker 2: it's closing again with K pop with the K pop 495 00:24:54,960 --> 00:24:58,199 Speaker 2: group seventeen. They recently collaborated on a special edition La 496 00:24:58,240 --> 00:25:01,479 Speaker 2: Booo and uh it kind of released with a new 497 00:25:01,520 --> 00:25:04,680 Speaker 2: album and it's selling for record breaking thirty. 498 00:25:04,440 --> 00:25:05,879 Speaker 3: One thousand dollars. 499 00:25:06,160 --> 00:25:08,880 Speaker 2: That is a fully decked out twenty twenty five Toyota 500 00:25:08,920 --> 00:25:10,840 Speaker 2: Camri for l bubo. 501 00:25:12,400 --> 00:25:14,639 Speaker 4: Okay, now I understand why people would say to me, 502 00:25:14,760 --> 00:25:17,480 Speaker 4: why is a banana worth millions of dollars? I'm like, 503 00:25:17,560 --> 00:25:20,000 Speaker 4: why is that worth a used car? 504 00:25:20,359 --> 00:25:20,520 Speaker 3: Like? 505 00:25:20,720 --> 00:25:23,720 Speaker 4: What are we like? Maybe a used cars? Aggressive, but 506 00:25:23,760 --> 00:25:25,080 Speaker 4: why is that worth a Toyota? 507 00:25:25,200 --> 00:25:27,520 Speaker 3: Let's like, no, that's crazy. 508 00:25:27,720 --> 00:25:29,960 Speaker 2: But then like I see this, I see the same 509 00:25:30,000 --> 00:25:31,879 Speaker 2: thing for like when I go to like a museum, 510 00:25:31,960 --> 00:25:36,959 Speaker 2: I'm like two or three million, what you know? And like, 511 00:25:37,000 --> 00:25:39,680 Speaker 2: I also consume a lot of your content about the 512 00:25:40,240 --> 00:25:42,880 Speaker 2: safe space, Salon, Yes, and I love it. 513 00:25:43,240 --> 00:25:44,200 Speaker 3: I love it so much. 514 00:25:45,080 --> 00:25:49,320 Speaker 2: And and it's it's kind of like like helping you 515 00:25:49,440 --> 00:25:53,360 Speaker 2: understand that barrier because the people the reason why people 516 00:25:53,359 --> 00:25:57,159 Speaker 2: are asking why is because they don't they literally don't know, 517 00:25:57,720 --> 00:25:59,600 Speaker 2: you know. And then like once I watched videos, I 518 00:26:00,080 --> 00:26:02,520 Speaker 2: would pay two point three million dollars for this. 519 00:26:02,960 --> 00:26:07,000 Speaker 4: No, yeah, that's because people are like, why would I 520 00:26:07,040 --> 00:26:10,240 Speaker 4: fund creativity. I'm like, well, I gotta explain to them 521 00:26:10,280 --> 00:26:13,440 Speaker 4: what I'm looking at. And that's why bird saves to me, Salon, 522 00:26:13,560 --> 00:26:15,520 Speaker 4: I'm like, this is what I'm looking at This is 523 00:26:15,560 --> 00:26:19,200 Speaker 4: why I care. But until someone creates a series about 524 00:26:19,200 --> 00:26:22,120 Speaker 4: these damn little boo boos like I do not. They're 525 00:26:22,280 --> 00:26:25,719 Speaker 4: so ugly. Why do you have that? I've seen that 526 00:26:25,840 --> 00:26:29,000 Speaker 4: on Maybe this is my brokeass opinion of the day. Okay, 527 00:26:29,800 --> 00:26:32,679 Speaker 4: I've seen La boo boos on like those Ermez Burkin 528 00:26:32,800 --> 00:26:35,360 Speaker 4: and Kelly Bags, and I'm just like, I turn into 529 00:26:35,400 --> 00:26:37,919 Speaker 4: Miranda Priestley. I'm just like, this is no. 530 00:26:38,720 --> 00:26:39,280 Speaker 3: I love it. 531 00:26:39,680 --> 00:26:43,880 Speaker 4: This is crazy. At least Pete Pete Davidson. He's funny, 532 00:26:44,000 --> 00:26:47,960 Speaker 4: like that's hot, that's hot. These labuo boos can't talk. 533 00:26:48,000 --> 00:26:48,840 Speaker 4: They're just ugly. 534 00:26:49,320 --> 00:26:50,879 Speaker 3: Do you know? Do you know a lot about cars? 535 00:26:52,080 --> 00:26:55,320 Speaker 2: A bit the same The same reason I want a 536 00:26:55,359 --> 00:26:57,440 Speaker 2: La boobo is the same reason I want to drive 537 00:26:57,480 --> 00:26:58,240 Speaker 2: a Masarati. 538 00:26:58,640 --> 00:27:01,240 Speaker 3: Mazaratis are useless. There's terrible cars. 539 00:27:01,400 --> 00:27:04,199 Speaker 2: They're terrible cars, but it's a Maserati and it's kind 540 00:27:04,200 --> 00:27:05,840 Speaker 2: of like, yeah, they're like that's kind of cool. 541 00:27:05,800 --> 00:27:06,000 Speaker 1: You know. 542 00:27:06,640 --> 00:27:09,320 Speaker 4: Okay, But there's a distinct difference between these little booboos 543 00:27:09,359 --> 00:27:13,880 Speaker 4: and a Masera. Okay, what is one of them is beautiful? Yeah, 544 00:27:14,080 --> 00:27:16,080 Speaker 4: these little booboos are not beautiful. 545 00:27:17,320 --> 00:27:20,480 Speaker 7: They're beautiful and useless, like they're greedy. Oh okay, they're 546 00:27:20,520 --> 00:27:22,720 Speaker 7: both Okay, okay, they're like that. Great, Okay, they're ugly 547 00:27:22,800 --> 00:27:26,879 Speaker 7: and just less. Damn damn, you can only be one, 548 00:27:26,960 --> 00:27:35,600 Speaker 7: I can. Yeah, that's true, that's true. Okay, is there 549 00:27:35,600 --> 00:27:37,160 Speaker 7: anything else you wanted to add? 550 00:27:37,359 --> 00:27:39,240 Speaker 2: Because I wanted to move on to the next section, 551 00:27:39,440 --> 00:27:41,880 Speaker 2: but I feel like there's a lot, there's so much 552 00:27:41,920 --> 00:27:44,640 Speaker 2: more to explore here. 553 00:27:45,600 --> 00:27:48,400 Speaker 4: Oh, we can yap all day about this one thing. 554 00:27:49,680 --> 00:27:50,479 Speaker 3: In five minutes. 555 00:27:51,240 --> 00:27:52,959 Speaker 4: I have five fifteen minutes. 556 00:27:53,040 --> 00:27:57,600 Speaker 2: We have fifteen minutes. Yeah, okay, all right, understood. Okay, 557 00:27:57,640 --> 00:27:59,080 Speaker 2: so I have nothing to add, No, you can add, 558 00:27:59,119 --> 00:28:00,560 Speaker 2: you can add, sure. 559 00:28:00,160 --> 00:28:03,560 Speaker 4: Just I mean hot take is like if you have 560 00:28:03,760 --> 00:28:06,359 Speaker 4: a loom boo bou charm, I don't think you're flying. 561 00:28:07,160 --> 00:28:09,280 Speaker 4: You don't even have the juice. You don't have the sauce. 562 00:28:09,280 --> 00:28:10,719 Speaker 4: You don't have the juice because the juice is like 563 00:28:10,760 --> 00:28:14,359 Speaker 4: you have you're temporarily like chill and okay, the sauce 564 00:28:14,400 --> 00:28:19,120 Speaker 4: is like sauce never expires, it's forever. You don't have 565 00:28:19,560 --> 00:28:24,040 Speaker 4: either or everything expires. Like it's not even camp to me, 566 00:28:24,359 --> 00:28:28,119 Speaker 4: it's not even camp because sometimes I'm like, like some 567 00:28:28,200 --> 00:28:31,919 Speaker 4: things are not ugly, they're just camp. I'm like, this 568 00:28:32,000 --> 00:28:36,359 Speaker 4: isn't like Y two k ugly, this is just ugly ugly. 569 00:28:37,560 --> 00:28:40,400 Speaker 3: Okay, okay, then okay. 570 00:28:41,480 --> 00:28:44,240 Speaker 2: If this is your least favorite thing, it's yeah, it's 571 00:28:44,320 --> 00:28:45,360 Speaker 2: the opposite of timeless. 572 00:28:45,400 --> 00:28:48,560 Speaker 3: It's time, it's a trend, is a bad? 573 00:28:49,240 --> 00:28:53,960 Speaker 2: What is your favorite piece of timeless art? 574 00:28:54,760 --> 00:28:55,560 Speaker 3: What's the juice? 575 00:28:55,960 --> 00:28:58,080 Speaker 4: What's the more like? What's the sauce? 576 00:28:58,160 --> 00:28:59,320 Speaker 3: What's all that sauce? 577 00:28:59,520 --> 00:29:02,760 Speaker 4: This sauce juice is like, damn, you gotta like that, 578 00:29:02,800 --> 00:29:05,880 Speaker 4: but it juice expires, expires, expires. 579 00:29:07,200 --> 00:29:10,320 Speaker 3: Sausage forever. What's the sauce? 580 00:29:10,360 --> 00:29:18,000 Speaker 4: Then it's always a competition between a couple. But the 581 00:29:18,040 --> 00:29:20,600 Speaker 4: first one that always comes to mind is this school, 582 00:29:20,800 --> 00:29:25,640 Speaker 4: the School of Athens, which is a fresco and when 583 00:29:25,680 --> 00:29:29,040 Speaker 4: you type it in, everyone has seen it in a textbook. 584 00:29:29,160 --> 00:29:31,520 Speaker 4: And I've had the chance to fly to Italy and 585 00:29:31,600 --> 00:29:35,360 Speaker 4: see a lot of these works in person, which is amazing, 586 00:29:37,920 --> 00:29:40,280 Speaker 4: and I love it because it's just all these Greek 587 00:29:40,280 --> 00:29:45,000 Speaker 4: and Roman philosophers in this one agora, and they're talking 588 00:29:45,080 --> 00:29:50,560 Speaker 4: about their different ideas and their perspectives, and there's one 589 00:29:50,720 --> 00:29:55,520 Speaker 4: viewer that looks like directly at you who's viewing the work. 590 00:29:55,920 --> 00:29:58,320 Speaker 4: Everybody else is kind of talking to each other in 591 00:29:58,360 --> 00:30:03,640 Speaker 4: the fresco, and it's the woman and her name is Hypatia, 592 00:30:04,320 --> 00:30:07,360 Speaker 4: and everyone's like, who the hell is that? And Hypatia 593 00:30:07,800 --> 00:30:12,320 Speaker 4: is actually the og for everybody else in that setting. 594 00:30:12,480 --> 00:30:16,440 Speaker 4: All these philosophers, all these visionaries, she taught them. They 595 00:30:16,480 --> 00:30:19,480 Speaker 4: looked to her, and she lives. This woman who lived 596 00:30:19,480 --> 00:30:22,479 Speaker 4: an unconventional life. She just was the pioneer of, like, 597 00:30:22,600 --> 00:30:25,640 Speaker 4: I make my own money, I'm educated. 598 00:30:25,720 --> 00:30:27,280 Speaker 3: This was the girl boss. 599 00:30:27,680 --> 00:30:33,080 Speaker 4: Yeah, and everyone should know about Hypatia. I remember learning 600 00:30:33,080 --> 00:30:35,320 Speaker 4: about her, and I remember learning about that piece of 601 00:30:35,360 --> 00:30:37,120 Speaker 4: work and I was just like, I loved it. And 602 00:30:37,160 --> 00:30:40,000 Speaker 4: when I was thinking of the Agora Fund and how 603 00:30:40,920 --> 00:30:42,520 Speaker 4: am I going to market this thing? How am I 604 00:30:42,560 --> 00:30:44,720 Speaker 4: going to get people to care? What am I going 605 00:30:44,800 --> 00:30:47,640 Speaker 4: to anchor this in? And it came from me scrolling 606 00:30:47,680 --> 00:30:50,640 Speaker 4: my phone of my past vacation where I was just 607 00:30:50,640 --> 00:30:53,400 Speaker 4: taking pictures because I'm like this and it just like 608 00:30:53,440 --> 00:30:57,400 Speaker 4: collects like dust, digital dust in your phone. And I 609 00:30:57,440 --> 00:31:00,480 Speaker 4: was just scrolling and inspiration always hits when you least 610 00:31:00,480 --> 00:31:02,479 Speaker 4: expect it. So I saw it and I was like, 611 00:31:03,480 --> 00:31:05,440 Speaker 4: that's how I'm going to talk about this. That's how 612 00:31:05,440 --> 00:31:07,520 Speaker 4: I'm going to talk about how I'm going to redefine 613 00:31:07,920 --> 00:31:13,160 Speaker 4: investment in creativity through the renaissance through me being like 614 00:31:13,200 --> 00:31:14,640 Speaker 4: a modern day hypatia. 615 00:31:14,880 --> 00:31:21,040 Speaker 3: Wow. Wow, that's awesome. Yeah, thank you. I will digest 616 00:31:21,040 --> 00:31:23,680 Speaker 3: that a little bit. There was a lot of not 617 00:31:23,760 --> 00:31:24,280 Speaker 3: that smart. 618 00:31:25,160 --> 00:31:29,440 Speaker 4: What you can't say that? No, everybody smart, everybody smart. 619 00:31:29,480 --> 00:31:31,880 Speaker 4: Start asking me about nitty gritty K pop stuff. When 620 00:31:31,920 --> 00:31:34,640 Speaker 4: we get to the game, You're gonna be like at 621 00:31:34,680 --> 00:31:39,640 Speaker 4: also like I am savants, and I'm gonna be like, 622 00:31:40,560 --> 00:31:43,840 Speaker 4: put me in the remedial class because I love my 623 00:31:43,840 --> 00:31:46,760 Speaker 4: my butter. I love that because I love like the Stallion. 624 00:31:46,880 --> 00:31:48,000 Speaker 4: I love everything she does. 625 00:31:48,280 --> 00:31:51,840 Speaker 2: Okay, and thank you for the motivational quote for today 626 00:31:52,040 --> 00:31:53,320 Speaker 2: that see I told you I'll come. 627 00:31:53,200 --> 00:31:59,440 Speaker 3: Back to you. Juice expires by Sauceage forever period. Thank you. 628 00:31:59,640 --> 00:32:01,840 Speaker 3: All right, let's move on to the next session. Yeah, 629 00:32:01,840 --> 00:32:02,680 Speaker 3: and thank you. 630 00:32:02,680 --> 00:32:04,000 Speaker 2: You know, and a lot of the things that you 631 00:32:04,080 --> 00:32:09,360 Speaker 2: talk about you encapsulate perfectly and wholeheartedly and authentically on 632 00:32:09,400 --> 00:32:10,760 Speaker 2: your own social media pages. 633 00:32:11,160 --> 00:32:11,320 Speaker 1: Ok. 634 00:32:11,600 --> 00:32:13,160 Speaker 3: What is your TikTok for the audience? 635 00:32:13,360 --> 00:32:18,040 Speaker 4: Ooh, which do I look at the camera? So my 636 00:32:18,160 --> 00:32:22,760 Speaker 4: TikTok is at its nina Orm and then I'm also 637 00:32:23,000 --> 00:32:28,160 Speaker 4: on Instagram at nino orm, YouTube shorts that one's it's 638 00:32:28,200 --> 00:32:32,160 Speaker 4: at at its nino orm and sometimes LinkedIn. I'm doing 639 00:32:32,160 --> 00:32:35,640 Speaker 4: a little test there see what the professionals like. They 640 00:32:35,720 --> 00:32:38,520 Speaker 4: like to lurk on that platform, they do, they do, 641 00:32:39,640 --> 00:32:44,320 Speaker 4: And then subscribe to my newsletter Creativity Meets Capital on substack. 642 00:32:44,680 --> 00:32:49,400 Speaker 4: It's where I talk about how creatives get funded, what investors, 643 00:32:49,480 --> 00:32:53,560 Speaker 4: how they can learn about the creative markets, and just 644 00:32:53,600 --> 00:32:56,760 Speaker 4: some cool guides or foods for thoughts. Again, I love 645 00:32:56,800 --> 00:32:59,320 Speaker 4: to yap in person and online. 646 00:33:00,400 --> 00:33:04,000 Speaker 2: If you ever have an upcoming museum date that you 647 00:33:04,040 --> 00:33:06,200 Speaker 2: want to impress your date on, you can just go 648 00:33:06,320 --> 00:33:08,920 Speaker 2: straight to Safe Safe Space Salon. 649 00:33:09,080 --> 00:33:11,480 Speaker 3: Yeah, and you will. You will be the most sophisticated 650 00:33:11,480 --> 00:33:13,280 Speaker 3: person this person's ever talked to. 651 00:33:15,120 --> 00:33:18,400 Speaker 4: No, literally, I got you all right. 652 00:33:19,360 --> 00:33:21,440 Speaker 3: And that's a wrap on the episode. Thank you Nina, 653 00:33:21,680 --> 00:33:22,960 Speaker 3: and see you guys next week.