1 00:00:02,080 --> 00:00:12,799 Speaker 1: This is a headgun podcast. Celebrity book Club. Who's that 2 00:00:12,960 --> 00:00:16,120 Speaker 1: knocking at the door. It's all your friends, your filthy horror. 3 00:00:16,239 --> 00:00:18,760 Speaker 1: Your husband's gone and you've got books and a bottle 4 00:00:18,800 --> 00:00:23,680 Speaker 1: of wine to kill. It's books, it's gossip. I'm shook. 5 00:00:24,040 --> 00:00:30,600 Speaker 1: It's memoir. It's Marteenie Clebriy book Club. Come read it 6 00:00:30,640 --> 00:00:34,760 Speaker 1: while it's hot. Celebrity book Club, tell your secrets. We 7 00:00:34,800 --> 00:00:40,960 Speaker 1: won't talk celebrity books. No boys are allowed. Celebrity Book Club, 8 00:00:41,920 --> 00:00:46,360 Speaker 1: say it loud and cloud. Celebrity book Club. Buzz Man, 9 00:00:46,400 --> 00:00:53,000 Speaker 1: I brought the queer Foe spangle vibes. Wow, hey friend, 10 00:00:53,440 --> 00:00:56,560 Speaker 1: I am so glad to see you again. I am 11 00:00:56,640 --> 00:00:59,600 Speaker 1: so glad, truly, actually so glad to see you. Yeah, 12 00:00:59,640 --> 00:01:04,640 Speaker 1: it's so glad. We're potting today and sort of ironically 13 00:01:04,640 --> 00:01:07,080 Speaker 1: in the evening, even though we'll be talking about a 14 00:01:07,160 --> 00:01:13,320 Speaker 1: queen of daytime television but who started as a nightlife act. Yes, 15 00:01:13,480 --> 00:01:15,759 Speaker 1: and so we're actually kind of being full circle containing 16 00:01:15,760 --> 00:01:19,240 Speaker 1: her multitudes. We are talking that none other than the 17 00:01:19,280 --> 00:01:27,640 Speaker 1: Grand Dum of top lesbian Yeah on television. She's kind 18 00:01:27,640 --> 00:01:31,560 Speaker 1: of not the grand dam anymore. She is not allen degenerous. 19 00:01:31,600 --> 00:01:39,360 Speaker 1: She is the first Alan degenerous roo Donald insert coush here, 20 00:01:39,520 --> 00:01:44,280 Speaker 1: Oh yeah, kush, okay, picture me pulling on my chinny 21 00:01:44,400 --> 00:01:49,680 Speaker 1: chin hairs. Do you remember that? She would have on 22 00:01:49,760 --> 00:01:52,280 Speaker 1: her daytime talk show that I was okay, I was 23 00:01:52,320 --> 00:01:54,680 Speaker 1: obsessed with I was obsessed with I was completely obsessed 24 00:01:54,720 --> 00:01:57,720 Speaker 1: with her. But how are you watching it? I realized 25 00:01:57,760 --> 00:02:01,600 Speaker 1: on the television sea that's clear. So for a while 26 00:02:01,600 --> 00:02:03,520 Speaker 1: on our childhood, it was on at eleven am, and 27 00:02:03,560 --> 00:02:08,079 Speaker 1: then they moved it to four against Oprah. I would say, 28 00:02:08,160 --> 00:02:10,240 Speaker 1: I wouldn't fake sick. Oh my god, no, wait, this 29 00:02:10,240 --> 00:02:12,239 Speaker 1: is my entire time. No. I would just be like, oh, 30 00:02:12,360 --> 00:02:15,000 Speaker 1: I'm not feeling good. So literally I could watch Rosie 31 00:02:15,040 --> 00:02:16,959 Speaker 1: because it was on like ten am. Yeah, would do 32 00:02:17,000 --> 00:02:19,480 Speaker 1: the exact same thing. I honestly, I was fake six 33 00:02:19,560 --> 00:02:22,520 Speaker 1: so much. I was literally homeschooled and my teacher was 34 00:02:23,040 --> 00:02:25,480 Speaker 1: Rosie Donald Prices right in days of our lives, like 35 00:02:25,680 --> 00:02:28,360 Speaker 1: Rosie was so obviously. I think it was this early 36 00:02:28,400 --> 00:02:30,640 Speaker 1: thing within us that we, you know, we knew we 37 00:02:30,639 --> 00:02:33,760 Speaker 1: were gay, and she had this and she knew she 38 00:02:33,880 --> 00:02:35,560 Speaker 1: was gay deep down, but she wasn't out yet. She 39 00:02:35,639 --> 00:02:38,440 Speaker 1: wasn't out yet, but she was wearing Rosie would wear 40 00:02:38,880 --> 00:02:41,760 Speaker 1: in her daytime talk show. It was like a pant suit, 41 00:02:41,919 --> 00:02:45,880 Speaker 1: but like with like a silken baby blue like button up. 42 00:02:45,919 --> 00:02:49,440 Speaker 1: I remember, very like over the lapels, very Paula Poundstone 43 00:02:49,480 --> 00:02:52,040 Speaker 1: what you're describing. Well, she originally did have really paul 44 00:02:52,040 --> 00:02:55,440 Speaker 1: A Poundstone style like that, like insane eighties, like full 45 00:02:55,480 --> 00:02:59,000 Speaker 1: clown like she was like mullet, huge suit. But this 46 00:02:59,120 --> 00:03:01,320 Speaker 1: was a little more like I'm trying to be like, 47 00:03:02,400 --> 00:03:07,480 Speaker 1: it was a little more Christine Quinn. Yes, I was 48 00:03:07,520 --> 00:03:09,960 Speaker 1: going to say the style of like suddenly sus lesbian 49 00:03:10,000 --> 00:03:12,320 Speaker 1: city council speaker Christine Quinn. For those of you don't know, 50 00:03:12,639 --> 00:03:15,320 Speaker 1: I'm sure they're friends. They must be, because Dannie O'Donnell 51 00:03:15,400 --> 00:03:17,679 Speaker 1: is an assembly member and or started a council member 52 00:03:17,720 --> 00:03:20,560 Speaker 1: in New York. Her brother, her brother, her brother is 53 00:03:20,600 --> 00:03:23,880 Speaker 1: a I think he's also. Okay, Oh, it makes sense. 54 00:03:24,120 --> 00:03:27,360 Speaker 1: Usually she's from a large Irish family, big Irish family, 55 00:03:27,440 --> 00:03:29,720 Speaker 1: but trying to get a couple of fag It's yeah, 56 00:03:29,760 --> 00:03:33,440 Speaker 1: from Long from Long Island, though not Boston, but I 57 00:03:33,440 --> 00:03:36,640 Speaker 1: mean the large Irish family, Long Island, Greater Boston. It's 58 00:03:36,680 --> 00:03:40,520 Speaker 1: not you're finding similarities. Yeah, there's a lot of cultural 59 00:03:40,560 --> 00:03:42,880 Speaker 1: overlap first, but I feel like her suits that she 60 00:03:42,920 --> 00:03:46,200 Speaker 1: would wear, she probably thought it's like lesson plapon was 61 00:03:46,240 --> 00:03:48,760 Speaker 1: like more full clown and hers were a little more 62 00:03:48,800 --> 00:03:53,560 Speaker 1: like I'm being like a she quote unquote like power 63 00:03:53,760 --> 00:03:58,600 Speaker 1: nineties businesswoman at that time. It's that silk collar over 64 00:03:58,680 --> 00:04:01,560 Speaker 1: the lapel. You're really focusing on this silk lap palel 65 00:04:01,600 --> 00:04:04,400 Speaker 1: because it's also so big, big voodoo daddy. It's so 66 00:04:04,520 --> 00:04:07,600 Speaker 1: the swing revival, so that it sounds like this was 67 00:04:07,640 --> 00:04:12,080 Speaker 1: maybe formative for yours style, and I mean her free 68 00:04:12,080 --> 00:04:14,320 Speaker 1: swing revival. It was a pre swing revival, which you 69 00:04:14,480 --> 00:04:17,240 Speaker 1: kind of had a hand in. I feel I started 70 00:04:17,240 --> 00:04:21,839 Speaker 1: the swing revival at age eleven. I actually wrote zoot Suit. Riot. 71 00:04:22,000 --> 00:04:25,960 Speaker 1: You wrote Riot you you you reintroduced the jitterbug to 72 00:04:26,240 --> 00:04:30,320 Speaker 1: a generation of youngsters in Gambridge, Massachusetts. I signed the 73 00:04:30,360 --> 00:04:34,560 Speaker 1: squirrel Nut Zimbers the Middle East for Chocolate Milk. I 74 00:04:34,600 --> 00:04:37,480 Speaker 1: remember when my mom bought my brother six Ska CDs 75 00:04:37,640 --> 00:04:40,080 Speaker 1: because It's a Dream, because he said he liked Ska 76 00:04:40,279 --> 00:04:42,560 Speaker 1: and he was going to really like it. After that, 77 00:04:42,800 --> 00:04:46,039 Speaker 1: you think she went to HMV Strawberries. I think she 78 00:04:46,080 --> 00:04:49,400 Speaker 1: went to Tower, Yeah, Towers, very mom it's very mom 79 00:04:49,440 --> 00:04:50,960 Speaker 1: and like I remember the day when she bought me 80 00:04:51,400 --> 00:04:54,159 Speaker 1: the fifty cent CD and the cold Play CD, and 81 00:04:54,200 --> 00:04:56,160 Speaker 1: she was like, here's two CDs for you that I bought, 82 00:04:56,320 --> 00:04:59,080 Speaker 1: which still define your music taste because you're so global 83 00:04:59,200 --> 00:05:02,240 Speaker 1: top fifty You're like, I don't have a genre like 84 00:05:03,400 --> 00:05:10,120 Speaker 1: pop rocks everything. Donna's summer hip hop dance music. Okay, 85 00:05:10,480 --> 00:05:14,320 Speaker 1: we before we get even too deep, So Rosie has 86 00:05:14,320 --> 00:05:18,839 Speaker 1: a few books, probably like what book are we talking about? Wait? Well, yeah, yeah, 87 00:05:18,839 --> 00:05:26,360 Speaker 1: I'm sure that our listeners are very familiar with the bibiography. Okay, 88 00:05:26,480 --> 00:05:29,279 Speaker 1: so Rosie o'donnal Just to back up for a time, 89 00:05:30,080 --> 00:05:32,120 Speaker 1: she has a lesbian talk shows, and so she's most 90 00:05:32,120 --> 00:05:34,400 Speaker 1: known for having this daytime talk show, which was kind 91 00:05:34,400 --> 00:05:39,680 Speaker 1: of like super funny. Ellen. I would say, like she 92 00:05:39,960 --> 00:05:42,800 Speaker 1: Oprah and Ellen. I would have Sarah like the big 93 00:05:42,880 --> 00:05:46,359 Speaker 1: maybe only kind of like daytime talk people of the 94 00:05:46,400 --> 00:05:49,480 Speaker 1: past forty years like who like everyone else is just 95 00:05:49,560 --> 00:05:54,400 Speaker 1: at such a like a seless level, Like Rosie ruled daytime. 96 00:05:54,600 --> 00:05:57,040 Speaker 1: She absolutely ruled. And I remember it was such a 97 00:05:57,080 --> 00:05:58,440 Speaker 1: big deal when they moved at four to go up 98 00:05:58,440 --> 00:06:02,400 Speaker 1: because Oprah and remember my name, any Heather at the time, Heather. 99 00:06:02,680 --> 00:06:04,560 Speaker 1: I'm sure we've talked about her in other episodes, but 100 00:06:04,880 --> 00:06:09,760 Speaker 1: yees adult aspiring firing adult film star, Florida ceiling Tory 101 00:06:09,760 --> 00:06:11,880 Speaker 1: Amost poster her friends with Marilyn Manson would call him 102 00:06:11,880 --> 00:06:17,320 Speaker 1: Brian plus yes and absolutely and that's not I'm I'm 103 00:06:17,400 --> 00:06:21,240 Speaker 1: kurfy as well. You are a body positive activist. And 104 00:06:22,320 --> 00:06:24,159 Speaker 1: but I remember her just being like, well, you know what, 105 00:06:24,200 --> 00:06:26,320 Speaker 1: they're gonna put her up against Oprah because they wanted 106 00:06:26,360 --> 00:06:27,479 Speaker 1: to be in the big leagues, and you know what, 107 00:06:27,480 --> 00:06:29,160 Speaker 1: they're both going to lose a little bit of their audience, 108 00:06:30,400 --> 00:06:32,080 Speaker 1: you know, And she was she kind of thought it 109 00:06:32,120 --> 00:06:34,040 Speaker 1: was a bad idea because as someone who wanted to 110 00:06:34,080 --> 00:06:35,760 Speaker 1: watch both shows, she was going to have to choose, 111 00:06:35,760 --> 00:06:39,320 Speaker 1: and other people would too. And you're flipping back and forth, 112 00:06:39,320 --> 00:06:41,160 Speaker 1: and I just like, the person who was watching at 113 00:06:41,160 --> 00:06:44,960 Speaker 1: ten isn't so different from the person watching it four. 114 00:06:45,120 --> 00:06:48,520 Speaker 1: You may get like nurses at four who are off 115 00:06:48,600 --> 00:06:53,400 Speaker 1: their shift. I love this, Like we're in the conference 116 00:06:53,480 --> 00:06:59,479 Speaker 1: room basically ninety eight, and you're just right, and drivers were, okay, 117 00:06:59,480 --> 00:07:03,479 Speaker 1: we got a getting nurses into the fault. I'm wearing 118 00:07:03,520 --> 00:07:09,479 Speaker 1: my silkic collar silk collar over sued huge suit. Honestly, 119 00:07:09,720 --> 00:07:13,040 Speaker 1: we all have cappuccinos. I don't think there's anything that 120 00:07:13,080 --> 00:07:18,080 Speaker 1: either of us want to be more than eight. Yeah. No, 121 00:07:18,600 --> 00:07:25,480 Speaker 1: that issing down the hallways being like Latta Jonathan's statch 122 00:07:27,760 --> 00:07:30,360 Speaker 1: and we're screaming. I'm just like I would like to 123 00:07:30,680 --> 00:07:34,680 Speaker 1: renew suddenly, Susan, just like for another six months. Absolutely, 124 00:07:34,720 --> 00:07:37,520 Speaker 1: we're breaking Rosie and people love the cushies Markushies Mark. 125 00:07:38,640 --> 00:07:40,320 Speaker 1: She would do this thing where she would launch the 126 00:07:40,360 --> 00:07:43,480 Speaker 1: coushies at the camera as a pant commercial, which I'll 127 00:07:43,520 --> 00:07:48,040 Speaker 1: take any day over, just like Ellen dancing to Robin thing. 128 00:07:48,240 --> 00:07:50,040 Speaker 1: You know, it's interesting that two out of the three. 129 00:07:50,080 --> 00:07:54,440 Speaker 1: Why am I pitting them against them? Let's ask why 130 00:07:54,440 --> 00:07:57,080 Speaker 1: are women always campaigning? Why do we talk about their 131 00:07:57,120 --> 00:08:01,160 Speaker 1: clothes and we should be talking about their policy? I 132 00:08:01,200 --> 00:08:07,880 Speaker 1: am I not pitching jay Leno against Letterman right now? 133 00:08:08,200 --> 00:08:09,960 Speaker 1: She also anyway, she was saying she would do this 134 00:08:10,000 --> 00:08:11,800 Speaker 1: thing where she would pull on all of her hairs 135 00:08:12,200 --> 00:08:15,040 Speaker 1: and have also the camera's zoom into her neck and 136 00:08:15,120 --> 00:08:16,560 Speaker 1: be like look at this one, and she would like 137 00:08:16,640 --> 00:08:18,840 Speaker 1: name them. I feel like for a while she had 138 00:08:18,880 --> 00:08:22,679 Speaker 1: I am strange, like we're just reminiscing about our favorite 139 00:08:23,000 --> 00:08:26,400 Speaker 1: such a good time, our daytime mom raised us. But 140 00:08:26,480 --> 00:08:28,280 Speaker 1: it's interesting the two of the big three as I'm 141 00:08:28,280 --> 00:08:32,400 Speaker 1: not calling them, and Oprah is like, also, well, like 142 00:08:32,520 --> 00:08:39,440 Speaker 1: who else could I mean rule a daytime? Yeah, we 143 00:08:39,480 --> 00:08:43,520 Speaker 1: have well, I mean, you know, just be beside herself 144 00:08:44,360 --> 00:08:48,079 Speaker 1: a bundle of nerves. And of course Rosie's famous crush 145 00:08:48,160 --> 00:08:50,720 Speaker 1: on the show was Tom Cruise. We're all to believe, 146 00:08:51,000 --> 00:08:55,600 Speaker 1: which is ironic considering he is gay. He is also gay. God, 147 00:08:55,720 --> 00:09:00,120 Speaker 1: everyone's a fucking fagot. Yeah, glass closet man. Okay, we 148 00:09:00,200 --> 00:09:02,760 Speaker 1: have to tell to talk about this the book. The 149 00:09:02,840 --> 00:09:07,840 Speaker 1: book is called Find Me. The cover is a matte sheet, white, 150 00:09:08,480 --> 00:09:13,319 Speaker 1: little photo of hands holding a rock. No, babe, it's 151 00:09:13,320 --> 00:09:18,079 Speaker 1: a Robin's egg. That's like a key story in the book. 152 00:09:19,760 --> 00:09:23,559 Speaker 1: You'll think that's a rock. So just for our listeners, 153 00:09:23,760 --> 00:09:25,959 Speaker 1: this is amazing. The thing that Lily thinks is rock 154 00:09:26,080 --> 00:09:28,120 Speaker 1: is clearly the color blue. It's the only blue thing 155 00:09:28,120 --> 00:09:30,439 Speaker 1: in the whole cover, and it's very smooth and egg shape. 156 00:09:30,480 --> 00:09:33,120 Speaker 1: And I am wearing my glasses, so get ready for this. 157 00:09:33,320 --> 00:09:36,120 Speaker 1: It was published in two thousand and two. My favorite 158 00:09:36,120 --> 00:09:40,400 Speaker 1: part is who publishes it. Yeah, it seems early. It's 159 00:09:40,440 --> 00:09:45,560 Speaker 1: published by Warner Books, an AOL time Warner company, which 160 00:09:45,600 --> 00:09:49,959 Speaker 1: is just so funny that this is like an AOL book. Wow, okay, 161 00:09:49,960 --> 00:09:51,400 Speaker 1: well you mean that was like a very big corporate 162 00:09:51,480 --> 00:09:56,080 Speaker 1: merger that happened, And well, yeah, okay, this is so 163 00:09:56,240 --> 00:09:59,800 Speaker 1: you to be like Lily, don't you know that was 164 00:09:59,840 --> 00:10:06,680 Speaker 1: a massive mood Stewie. I'm just think it's funny retro 165 00:10:06,840 --> 00:10:10,120 Speaker 1: stuff because this book is so i'mac ay, Well yeah 166 00:10:10,160 --> 00:10:12,319 Speaker 1: it is. No, I mean a fair fair point. It's 167 00:10:12,360 --> 00:10:15,360 Speaker 1: it's a time capsule in many year retro stuff. So 168 00:10:15,480 --> 00:10:17,680 Speaker 1: this book is not a memoir by any means. It 169 00:10:17,760 --> 00:10:22,400 Speaker 1: is literally it's a part dream journal, part psychological thriller. 170 00:10:22,480 --> 00:10:24,719 Speaker 1: I would say this book is a full Law and 171 00:10:24,840 --> 00:10:29,080 Speaker 1: Order SVU episode. It's definitely a Lifetime movie. It's very 172 00:10:29,240 --> 00:10:32,760 Speaker 1: that show snapped on Oxygen. Yeah, it's no, it's it's 173 00:10:32,800 --> 00:10:35,360 Speaker 1: it's snapped in the way that it's like weirdly like 174 00:10:35,640 --> 00:10:38,600 Speaker 1: low quality and no one's watching it, but like it 175 00:10:38,679 --> 00:10:41,240 Speaker 1: is on all the time, all the time, and it's 176 00:10:41,280 --> 00:10:43,240 Speaker 1: like going back and forth, so the whole time, like 177 00:10:43,240 --> 00:10:45,720 Speaker 1: she'll she'll randomly tell anecdotes from her childhood that are 178 00:10:45,760 --> 00:10:48,679 Speaker 1: like really sad and dark. Then it'll like jump into 179 00:10:48,760 --> 00:10:51,160 Speaker 1: a poem and then it'll like go back to her 180 00:10:51,360 --> 00:10:54,559 Speaker 1: career as like a talk show host. But the overarching 181 00:10:54,640 --> 00:10:56,720 Speaker 1: story of the book is like she runs this adoption 182 00:10:56,760 --> 00:10:59,880 Speaker 1: agency randomly like in her spare time because she is 183 00:11:00,200 --> 00:11:02,800 Speaker 1: she adopts. She adopts, so that's like one of her 184 00:11:02,800 --> 00:11:06,640 Speaker 1: hobbies as adopting. She has these passions and we learned 185 00:11:06,679 --> 00:11:09,160 Speaker 1: that you know, she has this crazy savior instinct because 186 00:11:09,160 --> 00:11:11,920 Speaker 1: so also her mother died when she was very young. Yeah, 187 00:11:11,920 --> 00:11:13,920 Speaker 1: which is an essential theme of the book. So I 188 00:11:13,960 --> 00:11:17,839 Speaker 1: think she started this adoption agency to be the mother 189 00:11:17,880 --> 00:11:21,120 Speaker 1: that she never had. Yes, fair Kids, Yeah, that's yeah, 190 00:11:21,160 --> 00:11:26,679 Speaker 1: that's clar absolutely absolutely, And I would say we picked 191 00:11:26,679 --> 00:11:29,480 Speaker 1: this book up because we were like we love the nineties. 192 00:11:29,600 --> 00:11:30,920 Speaker 1: We kind of just like thought it was going to 193 00:11:31,000 --> 00:11:32,720 Speaker 1: be a memoir maybe like that it was me just 194 00:11:32,720 --> 00:11:36,000 Speaker 1: like poetry and ridiculously, I know Rosie has a crazy 195 00:11:36,040 --> 00:11:39,120 Speaker 1: dark poetry and is unhinged. Yeah, well because she also 196 00:11:39,160 --> 00:11:41,640 Speaker 1: because her post career has been really wacky and ran 197 00:11:41,800 --> 00:11:43,640 Speaker 1: with the view and post the view, It's like we 198 00:11:43,720 --> 00:11:46,000 Speaker 1: know she's a crazy blogger. So I think we were 199 00:11:46,040 --> 00:11:48,760 Speaker 1: just like, Okay, this book will be totally crazy, but 200 00:11:49,200 --> 00:11:53,200 Speaker 1: I don't think neither of us. So the central theme 201 00:11:53,240 --> 00:11:55,760 Speaker 1: of the book is her talking to this one woman 202 00:11:55,840 --> 00:11:57,960 Speaker 1: who like approaches the adoption agency. It says she like 203 00:11:58,000 --> 00:11:59,640 Speaker 1: it's pregnant and like wants to give the baby up 204 00:11:59,640 --> 00:12:02,600 Speaker 1: for adoption. And this woman has this great mother and 205 00:12:02,720 --> 00:12:06,760 Speaker 1: daughter pair Barbara mother and daughter pair. The mother brings 206 00:12:06,760 --> 00:12:08,920 Speaker 1: her fourteen year old daughter, Stacy, but she doesn't bring 207 00:12:08,920 --> 00:12:11,040 Speaker 1: her in. She like calls the adoptation. The woman is 208 00:12:11,040 --> 00:12:15,600 Speaker 1: based in Oregon. And then Rosie like for some reason 209 00:12:15,720 --> 00:12:19,520 Speaker 1: she takes it in has sick with it. Oh well, 210 00:12:19,559 --> 00:12:23,080 Speaker 1: she gets a single spangle which explaining let me just finish. 211 00:12:24,800 --> 00:12:27,880 Speaker 1: So this woman has this graz story. She was raped, 212 00:12:28,080 --> 00:12:32,600 Speaker 1: she loves in sync, she is a woman, she's fourteen. Sorry, yeah, 213 00:12:32,600 --> 00:12:34,760 Speaker 1: so this four girl sorry, it was like raped by 214 00:12:34,800 --> 00:12:38,880 Speaker 1: her past her pastor. It's yeah, it's like really really dark. 215 00:12:39,280 --> 00:12:42,160 Speaker 1: And Rosie is just like so interested in this person 216 00:12:42,280 --> 00:12:44,480 Speaker 1: and like calls her and it's just like, you know, 217 00:12:44,720 --> 00:12:46,600 Speaker 1: whatever you need, I'm like going to be here for you. 218 00:12:46,960 --> 00:12:50,120 Speaker 1: And she ends up getting to this crazy phone relationship 219 00:12:50,160 --> 00:12:52,400 Speaker 1: with this girl not and the mom ant but and 220 00:12:52,559 --> 00:12:55,360 Speaker 1: the mom where she's constantly having these late night phone 221 00:12:55,360 --> 00:12:57,280 Speaker 1: calls over the course of months with this woman she's 222 00:12:57,320 --> 00:13:00,920 Speaker 1: never met. She's like addicted to it. She isn't married 223 00:13:00,960 --> 00:13:03,400 Speaker 1: at the time to her first wife, Kelly, just want 224 00:13:03,440 --> 00:13:05,200 Speaker 1: to say that. And it's like who appears in the 225 00:13:05,200 --> 00:13:08,840 Speaker 1: book I don't know twice once twice, and she clearly says, 226 00:13:09,280 --> 00:13:13,520 Speaker 1: you know, this obsession with barbarn Stacy and this woman 227 00:13:13,559 --> 00:13:16,640 Speaker 1: who ends up having multiple personalities, like it took over 228 00:13:16,760 --> 00:13:19,160 Speaker 1: my life except and took like first place except for 229 00:13:19,200 --> 00:13:21,440 Speaker 1: my children in my marriage. And it's like, Okay, we 230 00:13:21,480 --> 00:13:24,760 Speaker 1: just gave away the big reveal. We could start over 231 00:13:24,800 --> 00:13:27,720 Speaker 1: at want to. I mean, I was gonna say, like 232 00:13:27,760 --> 00:13:29,920 Speaker 1: with it, because it does get to this point where 233 00:13:29,960 --> 00:13:32,520 Speaker 1: like you're reading this book and you're like, this is random. 234 00:13:32,600 --> 00:13:36,160 Speaker 1: She's like having these phone conversations with this person. She's 235 00:13:36,200 --> 00:13:39,120 Speaker 1: like then talking about her childhood and like her mom died, 236 00:13:39,160 --> 00:13:40,960 Speaker 1: and then she's writing at home and then she's just like, 237 00:13:41,360 --> 00:13:43,360 Speaker 1: I loved my show. I made all the money in 238 00:13:43,400 --> 00:13:47,160 Speaker 1: the world, but they didn't make me happy. But then 239 00:13:47,480 --> 00:13:51,040 Speaker 1: like halfway through, her friend Carolyn, who is totally dry 240 00:13:51,080 --> 00:13:53,320 Speaker 1: and calls her on her bullshit. We all have a 241 00:13:53,360 --> 00:13:56,520 Speaker 1: Carol okay. Carolyn comes over and she's like, you know, Rosie, 242 00:13:56,559 --> 00:13:59,200 Speaker 1: I think this relationship is a little weird. Have you 243 00:13:59,280 --> 00:14:02,480 Speaker 1: ever met this woman? And then Rosie's like, well, no, 244 00:14:02,520 --> 00:14:03,840 Speaker 1: I haven't met her. We talk all the time. And 245 00:14:03,880 --> 00:14:06,320 Speaker 1: she was just like, are you sure she is who 246 00:14:06,360 --> 00:14:08,720 Speaker 1: she says she is? And Ray's like, well, of course, 247 00:14:08,760 --> 00:14:13,880 Speaker 1: I'm sure. And then Carolyn listens to two voicemails and 248 00:14:13,960 --> 00:14:19,000 Speaker 1: she realizes the voices some sound no. So she listened 249 00:14:19,000 --> 00:14:20,560 Speaker 1: to voice well from Barbe and Cecy and the mom 250 00:14:20,640 --> 00:14:23,800 Speaker 1: and then and the daughter, and Carolyn goes, these sound 251 00:14:23,840 --> 00:14:26,200 Speaker 1: like the same person to me. I'm reading the book 252 00:14:26,200 --> 00:14:27,920 Speaker 1: and I'm like, this book is randombout her at that 253 00:14:28,280 --> 00:14:30,880 Speaker 1: the Carolyn, then then you were in that. I was like, 254 00:14:31,200 --> 00:14:34,800 Speaker 1: my heart having drupped, and I was paging through this book. 255 00:14:34,880 --> 00:14:36,920 Speaker 1: Then I just started tearing through the page. I sit 256 00:14:37,000 --> 00:14:40,760 Speaker 1: up till five thirty one morning. I mean, my boyfriend, 257 00:14:40,920 --> 00:14:43,440 Speaker 1: excuse me, is asleep. You're not gonna light on. I 258 00:14:43,480 --> 00:14:45,720 Speaker 1: don't care. So that's when I because that's what I 259 00:14:45,720 --> 00:14:47,960 Speaker 1: wanted to ask you, like, when did you think something 260 00:14:48,040 --> 00:14:51,120 Speaker 1: was up? And when Carolyn says well, I think this 261 00:14:51,240 --> 00:14:55,040 Speaker 1: is to the same person. Did you believe, Carolyn? Did 262 00:14:55,080 --> 00:14:58,680 Speaker 1: you have this hope that Barbe and Stacy were different. 263 00:15:00,000 --> 00:15:02,600 Speaker 1: I didn't know what the hoax was. I didn't necessarily 264 00:15:02,600 --> 00:15:05,640 Speaker 1: think it was this same person, but I thought she 265 00:15:05,680 --> 00:15:07,600 Speaker 1: was right to be suspicious, and then I knew. I mean, 266 00:15:07,640 --> 00:15:10,920 Speaker 1: I assumed it was more HOAXI than when you thought 267 00:15:10,960 --> 00:15:14,000 Speaker 1: maybe they it was like a money I thought it 268 00:15:14,040 --> 00:15:16,720 Speaker 1: was a money thing. I assumed there would be some 269 00:15:16,920 --> 00:15:20,080 Speaker 1: scam ultimately where she was just like the hospital bill 270 00:15:20,240 --> 00:15:23,360 Speaker 1: for my you know, miscarriage or whatever is going to 271 00:15:23,480 --> 00:15:28,360 Speaker 1: be six grand. I didn't feel which Rosie totally would 272 00:15:28,360 --> 00:15:30,280 Speaker 1: have sent her. Well, that's because in the whole book, 273 00:15:30,320 --> 00:15:34,480 Speaker 1: like Rosie is very ready to give money to these 274 00:15:34,520 --> 00:15:36,800 Speaker 1: people and they keep on denying. Wait, so what did 275 00:15:36,800 --> 00:15:39,520 Speaker 1: you think when that happened. I was definitely edging my seat. 276 00:15:39,680 --> 00:15:43,440 Speaker 1: I thought Carolyn or team Row. I was definitely team Carolyn, 277 00:15:44,280 --> 00:15:48,840 Speaker 1: but like a five percent of me was team Row. 278 00:15:49,720 --> 00:15:52,960 Speaker 1: You wanted to believe. I wanted to believe, but I 279 00:15:53,000 --> 00:15:55,680 Speaker 1: really didn't want to believe. I was like, Rosie is 280 00:15:55,680 --> 00:15:59,000 Speaker 1: spending too much time talking to this well is random? Like, 281 00:15:59,240 --> 00:16:01,680 Speaker 1: so what's I wasn't team Row and the fact that 282 00:16:01,720 --> 00:16:04,800 Speaker 1: I wanted her to keep on going with this crazy 283 00:16:04,880 --> 00:16:07,200 Speaker 1: and it's just like I wanted Rosie to stop because 284 00:16:07,480 --> 00:16:10,920 Speaker 1: it becomes like selfish on Rosie's part, which is what 285 00:16:11,040 --> 00:16:14,120 Speaker 1: her friends tell her. They're just like, I don't know 286 00:16:14,200 --> 00:16:17,040 Speaker 1: if you're like even helping this person, Like you're like 287 00:16:17,560 --> 00:16:22,000 Speaker 1: continuing this like crazy cycle. You think Rosie's an absolutely narcissist. 288 00:16:22,000 --> 00:16:25,920 Speaker 1: I mean, well, yeah, it's just like savior complex and 289 00:16:25,960 --> 00:16:28,720 Speaker 1: it's just like the only way I don't know who 290 00:16:28,760 --> 00:16:32,360 Speaker 1: you'll be a daytime talk show TV with narcist. The 291 00:16:32,400 --> 00:16:35,359 Speaker 1: best part is also of just like all these amazing 292 00:16:35,480 --> 00:16:37,480 Speaker 1: and again back to our fantasy of like being in 293 00:16:37,480 --> 00:16:41,200 Speaker 1: an NBC like boardroom, of like them trying begging her 294 00:16:41,240 --> 00:16:44,440 Speaker 1: with like she wants to millions. This is all happening 295 00:16:44,480 --> 00:16:47,760 Speaker 1: at like the height of Rosie's career. She couldn't be 296 00:16:47,800 --> 00:16:50,680 Speaker 1: doing better. No, she's literally the most popular person in America. 297 00:16:50,920 --> 00:16:54,000 Speaker 1: And meanwhile, it's like we're there, We're nine years old, 298 00:16:54,280 --> 00:16:57,560 Speaker 1: We're watching Rosie, We're loving it. We're like, m I'm 299 00:16:57,640 --> 00:17:01,480 Speaker 1: a cold And then the moment show goes off, she's 300 00:17:01,640 --> 00:17:06,840 Speaker 1: running to her as she describes it tunetown styled office. 301 00:17:07,680 --> 00:17:10,040 Speaker 1: And this is a point I want to bring up 302 00:17:10,040 --> 00:17:13,639 Speaker 1: to you. Why are all lesbians like obsessed with the 303 00:17:13,760 --> 00:17:18,800 Speaker 1: loony tunes? Well esthetic, the childhood thing, I think is 304 00:17:18,840 --> 00:17:21,760 Speaker 1: what's happening there. I think it's Peter Pan syndrome. Okay, 305 00:17:21,960 --> 00:17:25,320 Speaker 1: more than also just like the eighties, it's both. I 306 00:17:25,320 --> 00:17:27,159 Speaker 1: think it's both. I think it's but I think it 307 00:17:27,240 --> 00:17:29,399 Speaker 1: really is. Yeah, because like lesbians love like you know, 308 00:17:29,440 --> 00:17:37,480 Speaker 1: like backpacks, superhero underwear, dog wall paper. You know, it's 309 00:17:37,640 --> 00:17:40,840 Speaker 1: infantilizing stuff. And even the color schemes, you know, like 310 00:17:40,840 --> 00:17:42,680 Speaker 1: the bright call. I mean, the Kush is right, it's 311 00:17:42,680 --> 00:17:45,359 Speaker 1: the cous so busy. Her office was like so like 312 00:17:45,640 --> 00:17:48,119 Speaker 1: neon and like full of denim. I just want to 313 00:17:48,160 --> 00:17:51,000 Speaker 1: read this page of what. Yeah, I mean that that's 314 00:17:51,040 --> 00:17:53,600 Speaker 1: an interesting thing. I'm not there's there's a Fridian thing 315 00:17:53,600 --> 00:17:55,440 Speaker 1: in there somewhere, but yeah, I do think that there's 316 00:17:55,440 --> 00:17:57,280 Speaker 1: a Peter Pan thing going on there because it's like 317 00:17:57,359 --> 00:18:00,280 Speaker 1: reclaiming the childhood. I mean, I think I'm sure like 318 00:18:00,400 --> 00:18:03,600 Speaker 1: I did that in my like teen style by like 319 00:18:03,840 --> 00:18:07,000 Speaker 1: being so like tazz and eighties because you're like, but 320 00:18:07,040 --> 00:18:09,200 Speaker 1: I think that's just more you been retro and eighties 321 00:18:09,280 --> 00:18:11,080 Speaker 1: and like that was like the style for indie kids 322 00:18:11,119 --> 00:18:13,000 Speaker 1: to do. At that point, when you are doing that, 323 00:18:13,320 --> 00:18:15,480 Speaker 1: it's like you haven't maintained that. And even color, I 324 00:18:15,520 --> 00:18:18,119 Speaker 1: wouldn't say that you favor a brightly colored I'm not 325 00:18:18,400 --> 00:18:21,840 Speaker 1: jontown like you know, old men from the forties and 326 00:18:22,760 --> 00:18:29,560 Speaker 1: old watches from that's sort of where you have. But yeah, 327 00:18:29,560 --> 00:18:31,880 Speaker 1: I would say that most a lot of lesbians are 328 00:18:31,960 --> 00:18:35,560 Speaker 1: like a crazy new balance and like a crazy sneaker 329 00:18:35,600 --> 00:18:38,760 Speaker 1: and just like bright colors and just like unicorn stuff. Um, 330 00:18:39,119 --> 00:18:41,800 Speaker 1: just for a sycles over office. She goes. My office 331 00:18:41,800 --> 00:18:44,920 Speaker 1: has painted a cherry yellow with shabby sheet couches done 332 00:18:44,920 --> 00:18:49,240 Speaker 1: in soft denim and stripe pillows. Is my assistant. Mary 333 00:18:49,400 --> 00:18:51,879 Speaker 1: has curly long hair she wears pulled back with the 334 00:18:51,960 --> 00:18:56,120 Speaker 1: butterfly beret. There are cooler stock with Perris slim Fast 335 00:18:56,119 --> 00:18:59,520 Speaker 1: shakes and sneakers bars in my studio. It feels like 336 00:18:59,640 --> 00:19:02,199 Speaker 1: nothing can go wrong. Yeah, nothing can go wrong in 337 00:19:02,240 --> 00:19:05,080 Speaker 1: my slim Fast palace. I also love that idea of 338 00:19:05,080 --> 00:19:08,600 Speaker 1: like the Kardashian fridge is like also vitamin water from 339 00:19:08,600 --> 00:19:11,760 Speaker 1: Boucha and like Essentia, you love the idea of the 340 00:19:11,840 --> 00:19:14,480 Speaker 1: Kardashian fridge. It's one of my favorite things. And when 341 00:19:14,600 --> 00:19:17,520 Speaker 1: when I make it, I'm going to have a fridge fridge. 342 00:19:17,760 --> 00:19:19,800 Speaker 1: I mean you can you know how I am very 343 00:19:19,840 --> 00:19:22,160 Speaker 1: like always having thirty seltzers in the fridge. I mean, 344 00:19:22,440 --> 00:19:24,199 Speaker 1: I know, I do, like well I have, I have 345 00:19:24,200 --> 00:19:28,800 Speaker 1: a stream. So I'm not gonna lie. No, sore doesn't, 346 00:19:29,080 --> 00:19:33,000 Speaker 1: it doesn't, hair, it doesn't. This is good. I'm with you. 347 00:19:33,080 --> 00:19:35,720 Speaker 1: But I'm also like the amount of selzer I drink. 348 00:19:36,400 --> 00:19:39,720 Speaker 1: I'm wanting to cut down on my plastic. No, I 349 00:19:39,760 --> 00:19:45,320 Speaker 1: feel bad about the appscene obscene ob scene obscene about 350 00:19:45,400 --> 00:19:50,280 Speaker 1: recycling you're pounding from like aluminium and aluminium can be recycled, Yeah, 351 00:19:50,359 --> 00:19:52,040 Speaker 1: but then you're carrying it, you know what I mean, 352 00:19:52,119 --> 00:19:54,080 Speaker 1: I pop it in the fridge. I've cold seltzer any time. 353 00:19:54,119 --> 00:19:56,480 Speaker 1: I war. Oh, I know what you mean, sister. I 354 00:19:56,480 --> 00:20:01,920 Speaker 1: am lugging those those twelve facts from said the stairs 355 00:20:01,960 --> 00:20:03,840 Speaker 1: and you know you mean you're on the third floor. 356 00:20:03,840 --> 00:20:06,399 Speaker 1: I'm the fourth floor. Yeah, I mean, but your stairs 357 00:20:06,440 --> 00:20:09,640 Speaker 1: are much more like eight floors. It feels like it's 358 00:20:09,680 --> 00:20:13,359 Speaker 1: absolutely averest getting into your partner. Oh, that's just a 359 00:20:13,440 --> 00:20:15,800 Speaker 1: cyber anyway, and it's just like this nineties version of 360 00:20:15,800 --> 00:20:20,560 Speaker 1: this fridge stocked whistling fast. So she has nineties Kardashian fridge. Yeah, 361 00:20:20,600 --> 00:20:22,760 Speaker 1: you know the Kardashians. I'm sure, and I'm sure Chris 362 00:20:22,840 --> 00:20:25,120 Speaker 1: was keeping the house stocked with slim Fast in nanny sto. 363 00:20:25,200 --> 00:20:27,680 Speaker 1: I was also I remember so many other like Nanni's 364 00:20:27,720 --> 00:20:29,880 Speaker 1: of my friends. This is before we met. I had 365 00:20:29,920 --> 00:20:32,800 Speaker 1: this friend who had this nanny who was you're cheating 366 00:20:32,840 --> 00:20:35,560 Speaker 1: I mean with other nannies. This like big Minneapolis chick 367 00:20:35,600 --> 00:20:38,439 Speaker 1: who like also very similar like love third I blind 368 00:20:38,600 --> 00:20:40,639 Speaker 1: and like was always going to like rock clubs and 369 00:20:40,760 --> 00:20:44,520 Speaker 1: left in the middle of the night. She was your Heather. Yeah, 370 00:20:44,560 --> 00:20:47,000 Speaker 1: she was kind of a Heather, Like literally broke up 371 00:20:47,040 --> 00:20:49,000 Speaker 1: with your family in the middle of my family. This 372 00:20:49,080 --> 00:20:51,720 Speaker 1: was my best friend Merediths family, And it was like 373 00:20:51,760 --> 00:20:54,840 Speaker 1: this huge shock, like they woke up and there was 374 00:20:54,880 --> 00:20:58,119 Speaker 1: just like a note being like sorry it's cold, and 375 00:20:58,200 --> 00:21:03,760 Speaker 1: she fucking burgered that. Yeah, like didn't oh burgers. And 376 00:21:03,840 --> 00:21:06,479 Speaker 1: she also like lived with them and just like it 377 00:21:06,520 --> 00:21:09,480 Speaker 1: was so like crim tear. I mean, never trust a 378 00:21:09,520 --> 00:21:13,800 Speaker 1: girl with crim tear. They will walk out on your family, 379 00:21:15,400 --> 00:21:17,679 Speaker 1: leaving you high and dry. I mean, I'm sorry, but 380 00:21:17,720 --> 00:21:21,040 Speaker 1: she left those parents without childcare. She did that is wrong. 381 00:21:21,119 --> 00:21:23,800 Speaker 1: I just really want to know why. May if you're 382 00:21:23,800 --> 00:21:26,040 Speaker 1: out there, call in, call in. She was chugging some 383 00:21:26,160 --> 00:21:32,399 Speaker 1: fust shakes at that point. Always it's so like nineties nineties, 384 00:21:32,880 --> 00:21:36,399 Speaker 1: like it did not work. Okay, So sorry, I do 385 00:21:36,480 --> 00:21:41,080 Speaker 1: think that's true. So rosy, this tune town esthetic couche thing. 386 00:21:41,119 --> 00:21:44,120 Speaker 1: It's like, you know, a lot of people say, like, 387 00:21:44,960 --> 00:21:46,560 Speaker 1: I don't know, is that a theory like when your 388 00:21:46,560 --> 00:21:48,760 Speaker 1: mother dies or if you have this experience as a 389 00:21:48,800 --> 00:21:51,760 Speaker 1: tragedy as a child, like it stunts your stunts your 390 00:21:51,760 --> 00:21:54,679 Speaker 1: maturity or something or something or yeah, or it's something 391 00:21:54,720 --> 00:21:57,680 Speaker 1: tragic happens, and so it's like you are like replaying 392 00:21:57,720 --> 00:21:59,320 Speaker 1: it or something, or you kind of like want to 393 00:21:59,359 --> 00:22:03,000 Speaker 1: stay in that space because you haven't like resolved it. 394 00:22:03,040 --> 00:22:07,600 Speaker 1: And obviously this book is very like a lot of 395 00:22:07,600 --> 00:22:10,560 Speaker 1: stuff and being like, let me be the mother that 396 00:22:10,560 --> 00:22:12,439 Speaker 1: that was taken from me, that was taken from me 397 00:22:12,560 --> 00:22:17,119 Speaker 1: by father, time ball, by cancer, by cancers. So anyway, 398 00:22:17,200 --> 00:22:19,400 Speaker 1: so Carolyn kind of like gets wise to the fact 399 00:22:19,440 --> 00:22:22,600 Speaker 1: this woman is crazy and down the line, this woman 400 00:22:22,680 --> 00:22:24,639 Speaker 1: like she's supposed to have this baby, and then she 401 00:22:24,680 --> 00:22:27,400 Speaker 1: calls and she's like, oh no, like I'm having a miscarriage. 402 00:22:27,520 --> 00:22:29,320 Speaker 1: And then the mom is like she's in the hospital. 403 00:22:29,320 --> 00:22:33,760 Speaker 1: Everything's like horrible, and she's having this horrible miscarriage. And meanwhile, 404 00:22:33,880 --> 00:22:38,240 Speaker 1: Rosie is like she's so not suspicious, like at all, 405 00:22:38,280 --> 00:22:41,800 Speaker 1: after many warnings because like like there's like no way 406 00:22:41,840 --> 00:22:45,280 Speaker 1: to check things, yeah, because she's like calling the hospital yeah, 407 00:22:45,320 --> 00:22:47,639 Speaker 1: and they're like, there's no record of this woman. And 408 00:22:47,680 --> 00:22:49,639 Speaker 1: then she finally talked to this social worker in the 409 00:22:49,680 --> 00:22:54,600 Speaker 1: town and she's just like, oh, this is someone that yeah, 410 00:22:54,640 --> 00:22:57,080 Speaker 1: we're very aware. And of course they're being like it's 411 00:22:57,160 --> 00:22:59,560 Speaker 1: very confidential out as she calls. It's like not even 412 00:22:59,640 --> 00:23:01,600 Speaker 1: like a off or something like that, and they're like 413 00:23:01,640 --> 00:23:03,880 Speaker 1: all we can tell you is that we're like very 414 00:23:03,880 --> 00:23:06,720 Speaker 1: aware of this name. Oh right. It's also insane because 415 00:23:06,760 --> 00:23:11,520 Speaker 1: it's literally Rosie's adoption agency and she only checks in 416 00:23:11,600 --> 00:23:14,920 Speaker 1: with her own adoption agency like months later, and they're like, oh, yeah, 417 00:23:15,040 --> 00:23:18,040 Speaker 1: this case is like invalid. You know. She finds the 418 00:23:18,040 --> 00:23:20,600 Speaker 1: woman has multipersonalities and they start emailing, and so then 419 00:23:20,680 --> 00:23:22,480 Speaker 1: later in the book, it's just like all these texts 420 00:23:22,480 --> 00:23:24,840 Speaker 1: of these emails and the woman will email in her 421 00:23:24,880 --> 00:23:29,080 Speaker 1: different personalities and there back up though she finds out 422 00:23:29,119 --> 00:23:35,800 Speaker 1: she's multiple personalities through finding out this woman's therapist Tina Tina, 423 00:23:36,000 --> 00:23:40,320 Speaker 1: and the woman like I basically gets permission from Barb 424 00:23:40,440 --> 00:23:44,879 Speaker 1: Stacy Melissa. These are roles and the identities being like, 425 00:23:45,000 --> 00:23:47,560 Speaker 1: yes you can talk to Rosie, I guess, and Tina's like, yes, 426 00:23:47,640 --> 00:23:50,600 Speaker 1: she has multiples, like horrible things happened to her in 427 00:23:50,600 --> 00:23:56,240 Speaker 1: her childhood. Do you know anyone who's who's multiple? No? Same, 428 00:23:56,440 --> 00:23:59,639 Speaker 1: do you? I don't know anyone who's multiple? About I 429 00:23:59,680 --> 00:24:03,040 Speaker 1: ama Emine anyway, And also in this book they say 430 00:24:03,040 --> 00:24:05,320 Speaker 1: it's like not a diagnosis anthing. Oh my god. But 431 00:24:05,359 --> 00:24:08,080 Speaker 1: I did meet that guy. Remember when I interviewed that 432 00:24:08,080 --> 00:24:12,680 Speaker 1: guy for the magazine that I founded it, and when 433 00:24:12,680 --> 00:24:15,480 Speaker 1: I took making a magazine class and we started a 434 00:24:15,520 --> 00:24:18,600 Speaker 1: magazine called Volume. Yeah, I remember that, which I have 435 00:24:18,640 --> 00:24:21,880 Speaker 1: successful used to get into fashion shows before by saying 436 00:24:21,920 --> 00:24:25,720 Speaker 1: I'm with Volume magazine. Very cool. And I wrote an 437 00:24:25,840 --> 00:24:27,439 Speaker 1: article because I was like, well, if the magazine has 438 00:24:27,480 --> 00:24:29,879 Speaker 1: to have articles about this guy who was running for 439 00:24:29,920 --> 00:24:33,200 Speaker 1: Saturn in New Jersey, Jeff Boss and he has multiple 440 00:24:33,240 --> 00:24:36,520 Speaker 1: personalities for her, well, he was. Yeah, he was schizophrenic, 441 00:24:37,160 --> 00:24:40,879 Speaker 1: which is different. 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Her mother died like very sadly breast cancer, 482 00:27:24,040 --> 00:27:26,480 Speaker 1: like when she was a ten, which of course later 483 00:27:26,520 --> 00:27:29,440 Speaker 1: became one of Rosie's biggest causes. Yeah, I remember when 484 00:27:29,440 --> 00:27:32,400 Speaker 1: she was always she was getting women to go get 485 00:27:32,480 --> 00:27:34,840 Speaker 1: mamograms and she had this whole campaign get squished and 486 00:27:34,880 --> 00:27:37,080 Speaker 1: she would have like, which I literally need to go 487 00:27:37,119 --> 00:27:39,840 Speaker 1: do And this podcast is a reminder for me to 488 00:27:39,880 --> 00:27:42,520 Speaker 1: get my first ever memogram. So this is just a 489 00:27:42,560 --> 00:27:46,320 Speaker 1: shout out PSA. Yeah, actually, like ladies, if you're over thirty, 490 00:27:46,359 --> 00:27:49,600 Speaker 1: get a mamogram. See a guy in a college thirty. 491 00:27:51,800 --> 00:27:55,760 Speaker 1: So after that, Rosie is like very sad. She's always 492 00:27:55,800 --> 00:27:58,520 Speaker 1: like running from school and like it's having so many 493 00:27:58,560 --> 00:28:01,560 Speaker 1: like crazy days. Are moments I'm like, oh yeah, like 494 00:28:01,560 --> 00:28:03,840 Speaker 1: when the teacher doesn't know that her mom's dad and 495 00:28:03,960 --> 00:28:06,200 Speaker 1: he was like, go call your mom, and she runs 496 00:28:06,200 --> 00:28:08,720 Speaker 1: out of the school and goes hide under a pool 497 00:28:08,760 --> 00:28:12,080 Speaker 1: table and her neighbor's house, sneaks into the window, hides 498 00:28:12,080 --> 00:28:14,080 Speaker 1: into the pool table, and then her brother has to 499 00:28:14,119 --> 00:28:18,479 Speaker 1: go driving around the calling Rosie Where are you, Rosie? 500 00:28:18,480 --> 00:28:21,040 Speaker 1: Where are Rosy? Where are you? Anyway? And she and 501 00:28:21,080 --> 00:28:23,600 Speaker 1: I think the dad was sounds like doing the best 502 00:28:23,680 --> 00:28:26,160 Speaker 1: he could, but was you know, but he was also 503 00:28:26,240 --> 00:28:29,280 Speaker 1: like a distant dad, as many more are in the seventies. Yes, 504 00:28:29,359 --> 00:28:32,800 Speaker 1: and you know the Irish the Great Storytellers. Was weird 505 00:28:32,840 --> 00:28:35,240 Speaker 1: about her dad is that he was a defense contractor 506 00:28:35,280 --> 00:28:38,280 Speaker 1: and worked for Northrop Grumman and was like designing spy 507 00:28:38,320 --> 00:28:40,880 Speaker 1: satellites in the Cold War and was like so anti 508 00:28:40,960 --> 00:28:45,320 Speaker 1: Russian and was just like so suspicious that scene where 509 00:28:45,320 --> 00:28:47,400 Speaker 1: he's like she was like, he would always be saying, 510 00:28:47,400 --> 00:28:51,200 Speaker 1: they're watching us, They're watching Russians, license plates, they're watching us. 511 00:28:51,600 --> 00:28:53,640 Speaker 1: So he was this just like absolutely paranoid. He was 512 00:28:53,640 --> 00:28:55,360 Speaker 1: a spook. He was literally a spook. Cool and he 513 00:28:55,360 --> 00:28:57,200 Speaker 1: probably got I bet he got more and more paranoid 514 00:28:57,280 --> 00:28:59,560 Speaker 1: after the mom died. Yeah, but also the job. But 515 00:28:59,560 --> 00:29:03,720 Speaker 1: that also influences I feel like Rosie's vibe, Yeah, like 516 00:29:03,800 --> 00:29:07,080 Speaker 1: all of her poetry about Trump. Yeah, I mean she 517 00:29:07,280 --> 00:29:11,920 Speaker 1: is she's very hashtag resistant. Yeah, she knows ultimate woman 518 00:29:11,960 --> 00:29:15,160 Speaker 1: who's fifty seven with a resist tattoo. Yeah, she's got 519 00:29:15,160 --> 00:29:17,960 Speaker 1: to resistitoo. Well, as she also you were just mentioning earlier. 520 00:29:18,000 --> 00:29:20,320 Speaker 1: She's friends with Kathy Griffin, who's like the most resistance 521 00:29:20,360 --> 00:29:22,080 Speaker 1: person ever, and it was just like everyone is a 522 00:29:22,120 --> 00:29:24,600 Speaker 1: Russian bought to her. So they came up together, as 523 00:29:24,600 --> 00:29:27,800 Speaker 1: will say in Mark Marin terms as comedian. So there's 524 00:29:27,840 --> 00:29:31,000 Speaker 1: definitely not in this book like any thing about like 525 00:29:31,080 --> 00:29:33,880 Speaker 1: how she became comedian. It's very like childhood when I 526 00:29:33,920 --> 00:29:35,920 Speaker 1: was eleven and sad and kind of dirty. And she 527 00:29:36,000 --> 00:29:40,760 Speaker 1: refers to herself as a swamp person, which I think 528 00:29:40,880 --> 00:29:43,640 Speaker 1: means like you're kind of like dirty or like don't 529 00:29:43,680 --> 00:29:45,600 Speaker 1: shower a lot or grow up with a bad childhood, 530 00:29:45,600 --> 00:29:48,760 Speaker 1: because then she'll be like there was another Irish family 531 00:29:48,760 --> 00:29:51,920 Speaker 1: who were super swamp people, who are like really even dirtier. 532 00:29:52,160 --> 00:29:54,800 Speaker 1: But then she refers to her assistant Alto as a swamp. 533 00:29:55,240 --> 00:29:58,000 Speaker 1: She's like, Jeanie, my fellow swamp person, got me my 534 00:29:58,040 --> 00:30:02,600 Speaker 1: ice coffee. It's like that kind of rude, okay, but 535 00:30:02,720 --> 00:30:04,480 Speaker 1: I get that. I guess, like we always call me 536 00:30:04,600 --> 00:30:08,000 Speaker 1: like the swamp stress. That's one different reason, right, that's 537 00:30:08,040 --> 00:30:11,200 Speaker 1: for me, Kinder's being like, that's for you being like 538 00:30:11,760 --> 00:30:14,239 Speaker 1: liking to stay in bathtubs. You can eat all day 539 00:30:14,280 --> 00:30:22,560 Speaker 1: without overheating. Um anyway, um so, and then it's just 540 00:30:22,600 --> 00:30:24,080 Speaker 1: like I went to be you. And then there's just 541 00:30:24,160 --> 00:30:26,280 Speaker 1: one line where she's just like, and someone told me 542 00:30:26,360 --> 00:30:30,000 Speaker 1: which is a Jesuit school, Catholic family. She's like, he 543 00:30:30,120 --> 00:30:32,360 Speaker 1: told me, I'm a mountain nothing. What does it mean 544 00:30:32,360 --> 00:30:35,440 Speaker 1: when a school is a Jesuit school? Like, what it's like, 545 00:30:35,800 --> 00:30:41,040 Speaker 1: is your teacher like a pastor or just generally Catholic. 546 00:30:41,080 --> 00:30:43,800 Speaker 1: I feel like it's just Catholic. Yeah, it's not like 547 00:30:43,880 --> 00:30:49,640 Speaker 1: there are nuns, right again, don't quote me. Actually, every 548 00:30:49,680 --> 00:30:52,320 Speaker 1: Jesuit school does have a nun. It has to be 549 00:30:52,360 --> 00:30:55,320 Speaker 1: a nun on staff because they're always like Lowell Loyals 550 00:30:55,520 --> 00:30:59,680 Speaker 1: Jesuit school. They do always say that, wait, it's BC, 551 00:31:00,160 --> 00:31:03,360 Speaker 1: is not BU. I guess is? I feel like BC 552 00:31:03,600 --> 00:31:05,720 Speaker 1: growing up in Newton where BC as I'm always driving 553 00:31:05,720 --> 00:31:10,040 Speaker 1: by it and it's always being like it's looking way 554 00:31:10,080 --> 00:31:13,080 Speaker 1: more like church monastery. Like, oh, it will be a 555 00:31:13,080 --> 00:31:15,360 Speaker 1: fun little project for us, Yeah, to sort of look 556 00:31:15,360 --> 00:31:18,600 Speaker 1: into Jesuit and its meaning and kind of connotations. Later, 557 00:31:19,000 --> 00:31:21,720 Speaker 1: it's so crazy to read this book when and like 558 00:31:21,760 --> 00:31:25,040 Speaker 1: we're only hearing hardly again about Kelly and this is 559 00:31:25,080 --> 00:31:29,040 Speaker 1: a clue because Rosie's romantic life has been so completely 560 00:31:29,040 --> 00:31:32,560 Speaker 1: insane she ben't marry it like six times, like seventy 561 00:31:32,720 --> 00:31:35,680 Speaker 1: like literally seventy times and like and the most recent 562 00:31:35,760 --> 00:31:39,280 Speaker 1: one was a Boston cop who are good friend Mickey 563 00:31:39,280 --> 00:31:43,400 Speaker 1: Blunko met at the Glad Awards this coast here, right, 564 00:31:43,600 --> 00:31:46,800 Speaker 1: and my question was always like, how are they splitting 565 00:31:46,880 --> 00:31:51,160 Speaker 1: their time? You mean between Boston and Boston coppery and 566 00:31:51,280 --> 00:31:53,440 Speaker 1: just like her and her like New Jersey as well. 567 00:31:53,440 --> 00:31:55,520 Speaker 1: I feel like when a rich person marries a cop, 568 00:31:55,560 --> 00:31:57,880 Speaker 1: the cop stops being a cop, like Miranda and her 569 00:31:58,000 --> 00:32:00,760 Speaker 1: little cop boyfriend exactly, and they're still just like I'm 570 00:32:00,800 --> 00:32:02,360 Speaker 1: a cop, and it's like no, no, no, you're not 571 00:32:02,400 --> 00:32:05,200 Speaker 1: your former cop. Now you're a house husban. And I'm 572 00:32:05,200 --> 00:32:07,280 Speaker 1: sure Rosie is making her new cop wife just like 573 00:32:07,360 --> 00:32:09,560 Speaker 1: do so much. No they broke up, Oh, they already 574 00:32:09,560 --> 00:32:13,360 Speaker 1: broke up. Yeah. And last year, like her youngest daughter 575 00:32:13,720 --> 00:32:17,120 Speaker 1: like went missing and was shacked up with like a 576 00:32:17,160 --> 00:32:19,960 Speaker 1: Tinder guy who was a meth dealer. She's like a 577 00:32:20,000 --> 00:32:22,600 Speaker 1: horrible influence. And when she even talks about her friends, 578 00:32:22,640 --> 00:32:24,400 Speaker 1: she has this like disdain for her friends, like her 579 00:32:24,400 --> 00:32:26,560 Speaker 1: friends are coming over and being like, you're crazy, you're 580 00:32:26,600 --> 00:32:28,160 Speaker 1: spending to what I'm talking you this person trying to 581 00:32:28,160 --> 00:32:31,360 Speaker 1: help you, and she's like, yeah, I have great friends, 582 00:32:31,880 --> 00:32:34,240 Speaker 1: and it's like, do you fucking bitch. And it's like 583 00:32:34,360 --> 00:32:37,040 Speaker 1: at the end of the book she's like, and I 584 00:32:37,120 --> 00:32:39,959 Speaker 1: do realize that, like only you can help yourself, and 585 00:32:40,000 --> 00:32:42,400 Speaker 1: this was like she kind of gets that, like she 586 00:32:42,480 --> 00:32:45,360 Speaker 1: was only doing this for herself at the end. Yeah, 587 00:32:45,400 --> 00:32:49,160 Speaker 1: but she does has no perspective at all. I do 588 00:32:49,280 --> 00:32:54,240 Speaker 1: love though, how she fucking drags the Make a Wish kids, 589 00:32:54,560 --> 00:32:56,760 Speaker 1: So let me, I'm gonna pull that up. She's like 590 00:32:56,800 --> 00:32:58,880 Speaker 1: talking about how like some of the Make a Wish kids, 591 00:32:58,960 --> 00:33:01,160 Speaker 1: like you know, they taken to this whatever. But there's 592 00:33:01,200 --> 00:33:03,880 Speaker 1: this one kid who like got better and then like 593 00:33:03,960 --> 00:33:06,960 Speaker 1: still wanted to come again and then and she was like, okay, fine, 594 00:33:06,960 --> 00:33:09,080 Speaker 1: but then he just like wanted to come a third 595 00:33:09,120 --> 00:33:11,640 Speaker 1: time and like get so many gifts, and she had 596 00:33:11,640 --> 00:33:13,280 Speaker 1: just was just like, okay, I have to cut you off, 597 00:33:13,280 --> 00:33:15,760 Speaker 1: like you're literally not even sick anymore, like get alife. 598 00:33:16,280 --> 00:33:19,160 Speaker 1: Let me just read a passage of actual conversation she 599 00:33:19,240 --> 00:33:22,360 Speaker 1: had with like a parent, are you insane? Do you 600 00:33:22,360 --> 00:33:24,520 Speaker 1: think your son is the only sick kid in the world. 601 00:33:24,880 --> 00:33:28,280 Speaker 1: You've been here three times already, enough with hell are 602 00:33:28,280 --> 00:33:30,800 Speaker 1: you teaching him anyway? Your request is totally out of 603 00:33:30,840 --> 00:33:33,800 Speaker 1: line and inappropriate. So was my rage at her. But 604 00:33:33,840 --> 00:33:36,240 Speaker 1: I was too concerned with me at the moment, Shocker, 605 00:33:36,640 --> 00:33:38,760 Speaker 1: I had done my part. I was expecting her to 606 00:33:38,840 --> 00:33:41,040 Speaker 1: do hers. Didn't she get the script? And this is 607 00:33:41,080 --> 00:33:44,400 Speaker 1: her imaginary script for how things should go between a 608 00:33:44,520 --> 00:33:47,440 Speaker 1: dying child and Rosie, the celebrity and the sick kid. 609 00:33:47,480 --> 00:33:51,080 Speaker 1: It's like, also, imagine this is Rosie had her big 610 00:33:51,080 --> 00:33:54,760 Speaker 1: old mac in her weird craft room composing this as 611 00:33:54,800 --> 00:33:59,800 Speaker 1: her wife and children are outside. Celeb, Hi, what's your name? Kid? 612 00:34:00,080 --> 00:34:02,720 Speaker 1: Give name? Celeb? Nice to meet you. How old are you? Kid? 613 00:34:02,880 --> 00:34:05,880 Speaker 1: Give age? Celeb? Here's some stuff I got for you, kid. Thanks? 614 00:34:05,880 --> 00:34:08,839 Speaker 1: I feel better already, Celeb. I'm glad you do. Kid. 615 00:34:08,920 --> 00:34:12,200 Speaker 1: Can I take a picture with you? Celeb? Sure? The end, 616 00:34:12,400 --> 00:34:15,080 Speaker 1: My giving is impulsive, driven by a demon who also 617 00:34:15,120 --> 00:34:18,920 Speaker 1: happens to have a huge heart. The contradiction exhaustion embarrasses me, 618 00:34:18,960 --> 00:34:21,920 Speaker 1: and it's like, yeah, a demon, does I really like you? 619 00:34:22,000 --> 00:34:25,600 Speaker 1: Just transition to horny voice. Wait, do you want to 620 00:34:25,640 --> 00:34:28,480 Speaker 1: read that dialogue? Back and forth. Yeah, that'd be fun. 621 00:34:28,480 --> 00:34:34,040 Speaker 1: It's a little confusing, Okay, all right, Steven and I 622 00:34:34,080 --> 00:34:37,600 Speaker 1: are about to read an imaginary script written by Rosie. 623 00:34:38,000 --> 00:34:40,920 Speaker 1: This is how she imagines all interact between celebrities and 624 00:34:41,000 --> 00:34:44,759 Speaker 1: dying children should go, should celebrity is behaving themselves and 625 00:34:44,880 --> 00:34:51,560 Speaker 1: the kid? Hi, what's your name? Steven? Nice to meet you. 626 00:34:51,680 --> 00:34:57,560 Speaker 1: How old are you? Here's some stuff I got you? Oh? Thanks, 627 00:34:57,760 --> 00:35:02,120 Speaker 1: I feel better already. I'm glad you do. Did I 628 00:35:02,200 --> 00:35:07,080 Speaker 1: take a picture with you? Sure? Kid? At the end? 629 00:35:08,000 --> 00:35:10,960 Speaker 1: And yeah, and then I don't die or I die 630 00:35:11,000 --> 00:35:13,360 Speaker 1: a couple of weeks later. Then you get better and 631 00:35:13,480 --> 00:35:16,680 Speaker 1: you ask me for more tickets, and I scream, mother, 632 00:35:16,840 --> 00:35:20,919 Speaker 1: scream at my mom for being a gold digger who's 633 00:35:20,960 --> 00:35:25,560 Speaker 1: only out after Rosie tickets. I mean, back in the 634 00:35:25,640 --> 00:35:29,239 Speaker 1: day Rosie tickets were gold, I would have loved to 635 00:35:29,280 --> 00:35:31,680 Speaker 1: see Rosie. I would have killed. Yeah, I've killed to 636 00:35:31,719 --> 00:35:34,080 Speaker 1: be in the killed a dying killed a dying child, 637 00:35:35,560 --> 00:35:38,160 Speaker 1: make a wish place. Um. I also want to just 638 00:35:38,239 --> 00:35:41,320 Speaker 1: little shift subject. I want to talk about maybe Rosie 639 00:35:41,360 --> 00:35:45,640 Speaker 1: celebrity crush in this book Angelina Jolie, Yes, her real 640 00:35:45,680 --> 00:35:51,720 Speaker 1: celebrity clash. Yeah, cush, real clush. Michael's your clush, so 641 00:35:52,280 --> 00:35:54,640 Speaker 1: blah blah blah. This book is about like her addiction 642 00:35:54,719 --> 00:35:59,000 Speaker 1: to the multiples blah blah blah, her childhood and then 643 00:35:59,120 --> 00:36:01,719 Speaker 1: she'll just be like dream I had and they're all 644 00:36:01,719 --> 00:36:06,799 Speaker 1: about Angelina Jelly. I wonder why. I mean, she has 645 00:36:06,880 --> 00:36:10,880 Speaker 1: good taste. Yeah, she's hot. The buye icon of the 646 00:36:11,000 --> 00:36:16,880 Speaker 1: nineties early two thousand, Tammy Lynn, Oh angel Tammylan Michaels 647 00:36:17,000 --> 00:36:21,520 Speaker 1: is also kind of a buy icon. Not wow, Okay, yeah, 648 00:36:21,560 --> 00:36:23,759 Speaker 1: take that back. I guess I just feel like she 649 00:36:23,880 --> 00:36:28,960 Speaker 1: did become killed mus go ahead and became for marrying 650 00:36:29,120 --> 00:36:31,880 Speaker 1: Melissa Etheridge. But I feel like not that many people 651 00:36:31,960 --> 00:36:35,040 Speaker 1: were like horny for Tammi Lynn. She's like, damn, I 652 00:36:35,040 --> 00:36:37,800 Speaker 1: could look at Angelia and Jolie and like we could adopt, 653 00:36:37,880 --> 00:36:42,360 Speaker 1: Like know that the world doesn't seen adopt four hundred kids, yeah, 654 00:36:42,360 --> 00:36:45,040 Speaker 1: from every country excuse me on Earth. No. I feel 655 00:36:45,080 --> 00:36:49,120 Speaker 1: like Rosie's very like I want my children. Yeah, She's like, 656 00:36:49,200 --> 00:36:51,560 Speaker 1: let's sort of keep it, keep it long island, Let's 657 00:36:52,560 --> 00:36:54,719 Speaker 1: let's keep it in house, you know what I mean. 658 00:36:55,840 --> 00:36:58,000 Speaker 1: I mean, I do remember watching her as a kid 659 00:36:58,120 --> 00:37:00,680 Speaker 1: on the show, and when Sandra Bernard's on the shower 660 00:37:00,719 --> 00:37:02,160 Speaker 1: or something, and she's like, and you know what I 661 00:37:02,200 --> 00:37:05,000 Speaker 1: told Parker. I said, you know what, sweetie, some babies 662 00:37:05,040 --> 00:37:07,719 Speaker 1: grow from the tummy and other babies grow from the heart. 663 00:37:07,800 --> 00:37:10,520 Speaker 1: And I remember thinking, oh, that's so sweet and and 664 00:37:10,640 --> 00:37:12,680 Speaker 1: that kind of like I do feel like she did 665 00:37:12,920 --> 00:37:17,160 Speaker 1: normalize because like, I don't know if you like how 666 00:37:17,320 --> 00:37:22,719 Speaker 1: kid like, I feel like it was always like she stopped. Know, 667 00:37:22,800 --> 00:37:27,560 Speaker 1: it literally was it was like actually and it was 668 00:37:27,640 --> 00:37:34,640 Speaker 1: Parah's oh well. But I think I would say Rosie 669 00:37:34,960 --> 00:37:36,759 Speaker 1: maybe is different in the way of like I think 670 00:37:36,760 --> 00:37:39,719 Speaker 1: Ellen is like so like dum dy dumb, like all 671 00:37:39,719 --> 00:37:42,840 Speaker 1: my jokes are so peg. Yeah. I think Rosie is 672 00:37:42,880 --> 00:37:44,880 Speaker 1: a little bit more like his friends with Kathy Griffriend. 673 00:37:44,960 --> 00:37:47,360 Speaker 1: She's a sassy in New York who have assassy New 674 00:37:47,440 --> 00:37:50,279 Speaker 1: York broad Yeah. Right, it's not like such a like 675 00:37:50,400 --> 00:37:53,960 Speaker 1: I'm completely lifting the mask. I mean, clearly she's very trouble. 676 00:37:54,160 --> 00:37:57,560 Speaker 1: Ellen is more two faced, yeah, and I think Rosie 677 00:37:57,560 --> 00:37:59,800 Speaker 1: more just probably has a more like she's kind of 678 00:37:59,800 --> 00:38:03,200 Speaker 1: a rassy she's just rassy broad. It felt like she 679 00:38:03,239 --> 00:38:05,720 Speaker 1: had a little heart, you know. Also, of course nineties 680 00:38:05,760 --> 00:38:07,000 Speaker 1: like it was not a question of just like it 681 00:38:07,040 --> 00:38:11,160 Speaker 1: was like she's adopting obviously not because she was a lesbian, right. 682 00:38:11,360 --> 00:38:13,719 Speaker 1: No one questioned why she didn't want to do it 683 00:38:13,760 --> 00:38:17,120 Speaker 1: the old fashioned way, exactly with her crush on dum Cruise. 684 00:38:17,920 --> 00:38:20,719 Speaker 1: I remember when he came on the show once, and 685 00:38:20,920 --> 00:38:24,360 Speaker 1: you know, I was watching as I did. Most sounds 686 00:38:24,360 --> 00:38:25,879 Speaker 1: like you got to watch it a little bit more 687 00:38:25,920 --> 00:38:31,479 Speaker 1: than so many specific scenes and she's in the show 688 00:38:31,480 --> 00:38:34,239 Speaker 1: and she was she was fake mopping off sweat as 689 00:38:34,480 --> 00:38:37,759 Speaker 1: she was so embarrassed and horny and just being like 690 00:38:37,880 --> 00:38:43,080 Speaker 1: who and he was just like mugging and stealing granning 691 00:38:43,239 --> 00:38:46,640 Speaker 1: and You're just like, what on earth is happening here? 692 00:38:46,840 --> 00:38:53,800 Speaker 1: So crazy? Yeah, two gay people pretending to straight for America. 693 00:38:54,239 --> 00:38:56,359 Speaker 1: And then there she was like, hey, want to cool 694 00:38:56,400 --> 00:39:03,480 Speaker 1: down with us them fast? Oh my god. Spingle spingles Okay, So, 695 00:39:03,480 --> 00:39:07,120 Speaker 1: so a spingle is a term she tells us early 696 00:39:07,160 --> 00:39:09,800 Speaker 1: on in the book and that she invented. A spingle 697 00:39:09,800 --> 00:39:13,680 Speaker 1: basically is a premonition. It is the feeling on your 698 00:39:13,680 --> 00:39:17,200 Speaker 1: back when you have that little tingle, a little tingle 699 00:39:17,280 --> 00:39:19,920 Speaker 1: and it goes all the way down your spine and 700 00:39:19,960 --> 00:39:23,040 Speaker 1: it's kind of a Samari but a spingle is truly 701 00:39:23,120 --> 00:39:26,160 Speaker 1: like being psychic. But the thing is like god full 702 00:39:26,440 --> 00:39:30,279 Speaker 1: being psychic when she psychically knows that her brother's daughter 703 00:39:31,440 --> 00:39:34,000 Speaker 1: rosis and it's like or it's born, and it's like 704 00:39:34,160 --> 00:39:38,080 Speaker 1: a lie, I don't think you knew that. But the 705 00:39:38,120 --> 00:39:40,239 Speaker 1: other times it's just a shiver. And it's just like 706 00:39:40,280 --> 00:39:42,880 Speaker 1: this is just a shiver, babe, Like you had a shiver. Okay, 707 00:39:43,040 --> 00:39:45,680 Speaker 1: you had a little feeling. Like it's not it's never 708 00:39:45,719 --> 00:39:48,359 Speaker 1: like she's wanting the reader to be so shocked by 709 00:39:48,360 --> 00:39:50,840 Speaker 1: her spingle. And then she'll tell us a spingle and 710 00:39:50,880 --> 00:39:54,799 Speaker 1: it's like, huh, Like the like central spingle of the 711 00:39:54,800 --> 00:39:57,600 Speaker 1: book is this Robin's egg where she finds like an 712 00:39:57,600 --> 00:39:59,400 Speaker 1: egg that fell out of a nest and she like 713 00:39:59,520 --> 00:40:02,560 Speaker 1: keeps it. Her son finds it, and then she's like 714 00:40:02,840 --> 00:40:05,560 Speaker 1: I got a spingle when I put the egg in 715 00:40:05,640 --> 00:40:08,520 Speaker 1: the box and then like it never hatched and that's 716 00:40:08,560 --> 00:40:11,279 Speaker 1: just the story and it's like okay, oh, but then no, no, 717 00:40:11,360 --> 00:40:13,799 Speaker 1: and then she like cracks it, oh right to see 718 00:40:13,800 --> 00:40:16,440 Speaker 1: what's inside, and like it was and it was like 719 00:40:17,600 --> 00:40:19,960 Speaker 1: it was like it was deformed, but it was departly formed, 720 00:40:19,960 --> 00:40:22,200 Speaker 1: and it's like, so you had a spingle that it 721 00:40:22,280 --> 00:40:24,840 Speaker 1: wasn't just an egg and like maybe it have formed 722 00:40:24,880 --> 00:40:26,840 Speaker 1: a little bit. It's kind of just like, isn't that 723 00:40:26,840 --> 00:40:29,520 Speaker 1: what happens with an egg? With like a wild robin 724 00:40:29,600 --> 00:40:33,359 Speaker 1: sick She's like, spangle, it had like a tiny beak 725 00:40:33,760 --> 00:40:36,239 Speaker 1: and you're like, hmmm, It's like, I don't know if 726 00:40:36,280 --> 00:40:39,920 Speaker 1: that is a that's just nature. She'll also right in 727 00:40:39,920 --> 00:40:43,279 Speaker 1: this way like for dramatic effect where it's like blah 728 00:40:43,280 --> 00:40:47,000 Speaker 1: blah blah, my brother had like a trial assistic fibrosis period. 729 00:40:47,320 --> 00:40:54,720 Speaker 1: New line spingle period. There's six chapters in this book everything, 730 00:40:54,800 --> 00:40:57,640 Speaker 1: and the book is literally how many chapters are there, 731 00:40:57,680 --> 00:41:02,360 Speaker 1: it's like seven hundred chapters and the pages, the font 732 00:41:02,560 --> 00:41:06,479 Speaker 1: is absolutely That was kind of fun, and I would 733 00:41:06,480 --> 00:41:09,080 Speaker 1: say because at first, Steve, you were like, what the 734 00:41:09,200 --> 00:41:13,240 Speaker 1: fuck is about this? And I was like, just keep 735 00:41:13,440 --> 00:41:16,960 Speaker 1: with it, And it gave me just a general sense 736 00:41:17,000 --> 00:41:20,200 Speaker 1: of accomplishment to burn through chapters. That's actually a co 737 00:41:20,360 --> 00:41:24,439 Speaker 1: tip number one. Yeah, Somebody's club. Yeah, if you want 738 00:41:24,440 --> 00:41:26,279 Speaker 1: to read a book and you want to feel like 739 00:41:26,280 --> 00:41:29,440 Speaker 1: you've done something, get a short book, tons of chapter, 740 00:41:29,480 --> 00:41:33,360 Speaker 1: tons of chapters, and boom, I'm on page one hundred, 741 00:41:33,400 --> 00:41:36,480 Speaker 1: it's chapter fifty. Yeah, no, you'll bang out like sixty 742 00:41:36,520 --> 00:41:40,640 Speaker 1: pages in twenty minutes and feel like a goddamn rock star. Anyways, 743 00:41:40,640 --> 00:41:42,239 Speaker 1: So I'm just like I do now want to read 744 00:41:42,360 --> 00:41:44,640 Speaker 1: Rosie's book about Leaving the View, which I think will 745 00:41:44,680 --> 00:41:46,800 Speaker 1: be like a lot crazier, Well not a lot crazier, 746 00:41:46,800 --> 00:41:49,080 Speaker 1: but you're in a different way. I think that'll be 747 00:41:49,120 --> 00:41:53,120 Speaker 1: sort of more of your classic Dish, crazy Dish Hollywood 748 00:41:53,160 --> 00:41:57,560 Speaker 1: TV memoir, not like this weird adopt wouldn't write this 749 00:41:57,680 --> 00:42:01,160 Speaker 1: adoption thriller today, like you couldn't, Like, I don't think 750 00:42:01,960 --> 00:42:04,640 Speaker 1: it sounds like she does what she won't. I don't. 751 00:42:04,640 --> 00:42:06,120 Speaker 1: I think if she went to Rendhouse with this book, 752 00:42:06,120 --> 00:42:08,080 Speaker 1: they would just be like, oh yeah, be like hmm, 753 00:42:08,160 --> 00:42:09,960 Speaker 1: I don't know about an adoption thriller. Why don't you 754 00:42:10,000 --> 00:42:12,840 Speaker 1: write about like your talk show and like the guests, 755 00:42:12,840 --> 00:42:15,840 Speaker 1: and like juicy backstage stories and like your career and 756 00:42:16,080 --> 00:42:18,960 Speaker 1: remember you know for sure because Gli this like after 757 00:42:19,400 --> 00:42:21,520 Speaker 1: they wouldn't let you put all these dreams and emails 758 00:42:21,520 --> 00:42:24,680 Speaker 1: and like there's so many dream segments in this well 759 00:42:24,840 --> 00:42:28,000 Speaker 1: was given a book to whoever? Yeah, they were thrown up? 760 00:42:28,000 --> 00:42:29,680 Speaker 1: How does they say, when she was so at this 761 00:42:29,760 --> 00:42:32,560 Speaker 1: like height of Stacy stuff. She was like, they were like, 762 00:42:32,760 --> 00:42:34,480 Speaker 1: do you want to renew the contract for just like 763 00:42:35,080 --> 00:42:38,200 Speaker 1: one million dollars? Well, this is so actually I think 764 00:42:38,200 --> 00:42:41,960 Speaker 1: I heard rumor once that the contract was maybe possibly 765 00:42:42,040 --> 00:42:44,680 Speaker 1: north of one hundred million, well like five years or something. 766 00:42:45,040 --> 00:42:47,439 Speaker 1: But like because I remember her talking about on Alec 767 00:42:47,480 --> 00:42:52,040 Speaker 1: Baldwin and he has that and here's the over and 768 00:42:52,080 --> 00:42:54,640 Speaker 1: here's the thing done that time, and she was like 769 00:42:55,040 --> 00:42:57,480 Speaker 1: she was talking about how she didn't renew the contract 770 00:42:57,480 --> 00:43:00,279 Speaker 1: and like how they were offering her like sick money 771 00:43:00,280 --> 00:43:03,080 Speaker 1: and she goes Oprah money and then Alabamo was just 772 00:43:03,160 --> 00:43:06,680 Speaker 1: like mega and she was like I don't want it 773 00:43:06,680 --> 00:43:10,200 Speaker 1: because the Stacey multiples thing was like I really need 774 00:43:10,239 --> 00:43:12,600 Speaker 1: to spend more time at home on my huge iMac. 775 00:43:12,840 --> 00:43:16,160 Speaker 1: Well you know it now, like the fact that we 776 00:43:16,160 --> 00:43:18,160 Speaker 1: were watching Missus Kids and she was running home and 777 00:43:18,239 --> 00:43:22,600 Speaker 1: emailing the person of multiple personality disorder and oregan very 778 00:43:22,840 --> 00:43:26,600 Speaker 1: laya remini oh Beyond King Queens and then going to 779 00:43:26,719 --> 00:43:31,160 Speaker 1: set going to clear Water to the Scientology headquarters and 780 00:43:31,239 --> 00:43:34,640 Speaker 1: Jenny ad for nine hours rooms and then being like 781 00:43:34,760 --> 00:43:36,440 Speaker 1: what is your name? What is your name? What is 782 00:43:36,480 --> 00:43:38,920 Speaker 1: your name? Yeah, and then like she goes back to 783 00:43:39,080 --> 00:43:42,040 Speaker 1: Diodes and Kevin James is like, how is your summer? 784 00:43:42,200 --> 00:43:44,279 Speaker 1: She was like, fine, it's fine. We went we went 785 00:43:44,360 --> 00:43:46,760 Speaker 1: to Florida. You know what's behind the picket the Hollywood 786 00:43:46,800 --> 00:43:51,600 Speaker 1: picket fence. Oh my god, Literally, I'm obsessed. What's behind 787 00:43:51,640 --> 00:43:55,160 Speaker 1: the Hollywood picket fence. We never know? We never know. 788 00:43:55,280 --> 00:43:58,360 Speaker 1: We think, oh, they're so rich, they've been problems, right, No, 789 00:43:58,800 --> 00:44:04,480 Speaker 1: they are actually really abusive, Yes, extremely abusive and very 790 00:44:04,480 --> 00:44:08,000 Speaker 1: manipulate to the people in their life. So please be 791 00:44:08,160 --> 00:44:21,560 Speaker 1: my Carolyne if I ever get to this point. Segment vibes, 792 00:44:21,880 --> 00:44:25,400 Speaker 1: how does she live? What is she eating? Wear? Okay, 793 00:44:25,480 --> 00:44:27,960 Speaker 1: so what does she wear? We've kind of gotten into it, 794 00:44:28,000 --> 00:44:32,440 Speaker 1: but you know, bigod well her her blazers for the 795 00:44:32,480 --> 00:44:35,920 Speaker 1: show nineties style for just like her big blazers. I 796 00:44:35,920 --> 00:44:41,200 Speaker 1: think at home she is she loves a handkerchief, bandana 797 00:44:41,200 --> 00:44:45,919 Speaker 1: around her head. She a very bandanna. Well yeah, big tea, 798 00:44:46,080 --> 00:44:49,120 Speaker 1: I mean lesbian. So I think she's big, gray sweats 799 00:44:49,120 --> 00:44:52,000 Speaker 1: and she's big. I don't think she gets dressed in 800 00:44:52,239 --> 00:44:55,400 Speaker 1: anything presentable ever, know, And if she is going to 801 00:44:55,480 --> 00:44:58,680 Speaker 1: like an AIDS charity event or physical premiere. Yeah, she's 802 00:44:58,680 --> 00:45:03,080 Speaker 1: putting on like a big weird those are accurately the 803 00:45:03,160 --> 00:45:05,560 Speaker 1: two things whatever lever House for I needs charity event 804 00:45:05,640 --> 00:45:10,080 Speaker 1: or a susical premiere. But like she's obviously not like 805 00:45:10,200 --> 00:45:13,080 Speaker 1: bndling keeping at all. I feel like it's so no, 806 00:45:13,200 --> 00:45:16,440 Speaker 1: she's not getting some custom which was a custom lesbian 807 00:45:16,480 --> 00:45:21,160 Speaker 1: sudar rate. She's absolutely having some like big old Macy suit. Yeah, 808 00:45:21,160 --> 00:45:24,200 Speaker 1: but it's I feel like weirdly she's still throwing on 809 00:45:24,239 --> 00:45:26,759 Speaker 1: the makeup, like she fooches it up a little bit. 810 00:45:27,280 --> 00:45:31,359 Speaker 1: She'll foch up for what's it called for? Am I'm 811 00:45:31,400 --> 00:45:35,160 Speaker 1: talking about? We have if you watch Kathy Griffins, allegedly 812 00:45:36,080 --> 00:45:38,520 Speaker 1: she tells an amazing story about her and Kathy, I 813 00:45:38,560 --> 00:45:41,080 Speaker 1: mean her and Rosie and Nam farb event, all right, 814 00:45:41,080 --> 00:45:43,760 Speaker 1: because they're like they're friends. Yeah, and I think Rosie 815 00:45:43,800 --> 00:45:46,160 Speaker 1: is like one of the bigger people that like stood 816 00:45:46,160 --> 00:45:51,520 Speaker 1: by Kathy during her karlation. And you know who else did? 817 00:45:52,160 --> 00:45:56,759 Speaker 1: Kim Kardashian, her neighbor, Her neighbor, Kim Kardashian. How does 818 00:45:56,800 --> 00:46:01,160 Speaker 1: she eat? I mean I read the menu, Joe al Yeah, 819 00:46:01,600 --> 00:46:04,759 Speaker 1: chicken fucking arms. I mean, yeah, she's just like I 820 00:46:04,840 --> 00:46:06,719 Speaker 1: doubt she's really like I mean, maybe she's just like 821 00:46:06,800 --> 00:46:09,200 Speaker 1: kind of evolved in the way that you think. Now, yes, 822 00:46:09,480 --> 00:46:11,359 Speaker 1: I don't think she's chicken parm every night. I did 823 00:46:11,400 --> 00:46:13,920 Speaker 1: see a video from her Insta of her and her 824 00:46:13,920 --> 00:46:17,080 Speaker 1: now ex cop wife where she was having her cop 825 00:46:17,120 --> 00:46:20,760 Speaker 1: wife going to Panera to pick them up food. So okay, 826 00:46:20,800 --> 00:46:23,799 Speaker 1: so she involved that much. No, but I'm sure like 827 00:46:23,880 --> 00:46:28,319 Speaker 1: she's having a salad from the Panera pickup. That's it's 828 00:46:28,320 --> 00:46:31,239 Speaker 1: like a Panera salad. No, I mean salad on this. 829 00:46:31,400 --> 00:46:36,239 Speaker 1: I mean there's sea Panara is so like mix and match. Yeah, oh, 830 00:46:36,600 --> 00:46:38,760 Speaker 1: they're mix and match, right. I want a half soup 831 00:46:38,800 --> 00:46:41,600 Speaker 1: and a quarter sandwich and a side salad and like 832 00:46:41,640 --> 00:46:43,840 Speaker 1: a half a bread stick and everything was half and 833 00:46:43,840 --> 00:46:46,879 Speaker 1: it's always doing. But I hate Panera so the time 834 00:46:46,880 --> 00:46:48,279 Speaker 1: I feel like I've gone. I went to the one 835 00:46:48,320 --> 00:46:51,080 Speaker 1: by Jay Street MetroTech after I had my Rootnale and 836 00:46:51,120 --> 00:46:52,799 Speaker 1: I got like because they were like, you have to 837 00:46:52,800 --> 00:46:56,480 Speaker 1: eat like Blair food. So I got like a tomato soup. 838 00:46:56,560 --> 00:46:59,719 Speaker 1: I like like a cheddar tomato. So yeah, on the 839 00:46:59,760 --> 00:47:03,000 Speaker 1: side is a sad ass boring. Oh god, that's so depressed. 840 00:47:04,680 --> 00:47:07,560 Speaker 1: You with it like swollen mouth, having this sad tomato 841 00:47:07,640 --> 00:47:11,560 Speaker 1: soup a Panera on the second floor. Oh, it's always 842 00:47:11,560 --> 00:47:13,960 Speaker 1: so dark when you go to the like second level 843 00:47:14,160 --> 00:47:19,600 Speaker 1: and you're like so like like climbing up, You're like, no, no, no, 844 00:47:19,600 --> 00:47:22,239 Speaker 1: I'm gonna be here water, I'll settle it. Let me 845 00:47:22,280 --> 00:47:25,319 Speaker 1: get planet um. And I'm sure her fridge now has 846 00:47:25,360 --> 00:47:29,080 Speaker 1: also evolved into a multi beverage like weird, like do 847 00:47:29,120 --> 00:47:31,759 Speaker 1: you think she's drinking drinking mussel milk. She's also kind 848 00:47:31,760 --> 00:47:34,759 Speaker 1: of like behind the trends, it seems in the food, yeah, 849 00:47:34,840 --> 00:47:37,280 Speaker 1: because like this meal is like so eighties or whatever, 850 00:47:37,480 --> 00:47:40,040 Speaker 1: and like Panera is like kind of so ten years ago, 851 00:47:40,440 --> 00:47:42,279 Speaker 1: and so like she's probably still drinking it on a 852 00:47:42,320 --> 00:47:44,440 Speaker 1: vitamin water, which no one drinks anymore. She's like it's 853 00:47:44,480 --> 00:47:46,920 Speaker 1: good for you, right, and it's just like sixty grams 854 00:47:46,960 --> 00:47:50,040 Speaker 1: of right and water. So I think that, yeah, she 855 00:47:50,160 --> 00:47:52,399 Speaker 1: has a poor diet. Also, like I feel like Rosy 856 00:47:52,440 --> 00:47:54,480 Speaker 1: don't kind to say something. I'm sure the diet coke 857 00:47:54,600 --> 00:47:56,399 Speaker 1: is still going strong. I feel like I can tell 858 00:47:56,440 --> 00:47:58,880 Speaker 1: actually because she's never actually had really she's always had 859 00:47:58,960 --> 00:48:01,399 Speaker 1: kind of ruddy skin. That's like she's Irish or whatever. 860 00:48:01,800 --> 00:48:03,880 Speaker 1: But it's kind of like the pallor is like not 861 00:48:03,920 --> 00:48:05,960 Speaker 1: that healthy. Like you can tell that she has like 862 00:48:05,960 --> 00:48:08,239 Speaker 1: a bad diet from her, Like I feel like she 863 00:48:08,600 --> 00:48:12,759 Speaker 1: is like probably just like takeouting all the time. Yeah, 864 00:48:12,760 --> 00:48:14,239 Speaker 1: a lot of takeout because she kind of has like 865 00:48:14,280 --> 00:48:17,319 Speaker 1: adult acne. We're really fucking dragging her. I just like 866 00:48:17,360 --> 00:48:19,760 Speaker 1: I don't see your clearly, she's daycobasing for eight hours, 867 00:48:19,800 --> 00:48:22,600 Speaker 1: like she's definitely not. We gather around the table and like, 868 00:48:23,320 --> 00:48:25,640 Speaker 1: no gather. It's just like kids, what do you want? 869 00:48:25,680 --> 00:48:28,239 Speaker 1: Like what's it? What's it tonight? Chinese? Mexican? And they're 870 00:48:28,239 --> 00:48:30,400 Speaker 1: all playing video games on like separate TVs. Yeah, on 871 00:48:30,520 --> 00:48:34,560 Speaker 1: like huge rooms out and then okay, how did she lives? Also? Okay, 872 00:48:34,560 --> 00:48:37,000 Speaker 1: so her home. At one point she's like I live 873 00:48:37,040 --> 00:48:39,400 Speaker 1: in a big brownstone with pocket oh yeah, and like 874 00:48:39,440 --> 00:48:42,759 Speaker 1: the halcany floor. That part was also so fucking like 875 00:48:42,960 --> 00:48:47,399 Speaker 1: I'm doing this like saf where it's like she lives 876 00:48:47,400 --> 00:48:50,800 Speaker 1: in a trailer. I live in a brownstone with pocket doors, 877 00:48:51,000 --> 00:48:53,839 Speaker 1: and it's like, what's a pocket door? That's like when 878 00:48:53,840 --> 00:48:56,560 Speaker 1: it goes into the like while a lot of the 879 00:48:56,600 --> 00:49:01,080 Speaker 1: older like bedsty brownstones like oh, I see, So was 880 00:49:01,120 --> 00:49:04,440 Speaker 1: her brown stone that she's describing here, like it just 881 00:49:04,520 --> 00:49:07,279 Speaker 1: like East Midge or something in a weird way, Oh, 882 00:49:07,880 --> 00:49:11,200 Speaker 1: like a town house because now she lives in Nyack. Yeah, 883 00:49:11,239 --> 00:49:12,680 Speaker 1: I see. I was gonna say, I assume she lives 884 00:49:12,680 --> 00:49:15,080 Speaker 1: in New Jersey with all the other like celebrity houses, 885 00:49:15,160 --> 00:49:17,560 Speaker 1: and she's like so suberbant. She's the most New Jersey person. 886 00:49:17,960 --> 00:49:22,960 Speaker 1: Well I always just so weird, but yeah, I always 887 00:49:22,960 --> 00:49:27,000 Speaker 1: like think of it. And she has this huge house 888 00:49:27,040 --> 00:49:30,000 Speaker 1: with like a thousand rooms and just like she probably 889 00:49:30,000 --> 00:49:32,680 Speaker 1: has a weird craft room. And but I do think 890 00:49:32,719 --> 00:49:37,040 Speaker 1: that it's very I think it's heavy mahogany. Yeah, our 891 00:49:37,120 --> 00:49:42,400 Speaker 1: favorite words. Yeah, I am picturing they just big chessie 892 00:49:42,520 --> 00:49:46,920 Speaker 1: big dressers, a chest and everything. Is she also weirdly 893 00:49:46,960 --> 00:49:50,240 Speaker 1: because she is kind of this like fraghigy vibes tries 894 00:49:50,320 --> 00:49:53,799 Speaker 1: and like are their pockets of a white couch you 895 00:49:53,880 --> 00:49:57,640 Speaker 1: know what I mean? Like a hodgepod? Yeah, in a 896 00:49:57,680 --> 00:49:59,800 Speaker 1: way that does not like flow out. I feel like 897 00:49:59,800 --> 00:50:03,200 Speaker 1: they're is a random boa chair. She's like, how fun 898 00:50:03,280 --> 00:50:07,439 Speaker 1: is that? How fun is that? So that No, there's 899 00:50:07,440 --> 00:50:10,200 Speaker 1: a boa chair, there's like a high heel chair, right, 900 00:50:10,400 --> 00:50:13,480 Speaker 1: But then there's like Madonna. She's a frame poster of 901 00:50:13,560 --> 00:50:17,719 Speaker 1: Madonna somewhere marble table like heavy chest. Maybe there is 902 00:50:17,719 --> 00:50:21,160 Speaker 1: like a weird like cheesy Live Left love frame. But 903 00:50:21,239 --> 00:50:24,960 Speaker 1: then it's just like so like laundry hampers and like you, yeah, 904 00:50:24,960 --> 00:50:29,200 Speaker 1: I feel of Hamper and it's like it's constant washing 905 00:50:29,200 --> 00:50:32,399 Speaker 1: of the sweats. Yeah, Hamper Central. It's very like Long 906 00:50:32,440 --> 00:50:38,560 Speaker 1: Island GTL. I feel like she doesn't have pets, but 907 00:50:38,640 --> 00:50:40,960 Speaker 1: maybe she has a weird Marley and Me dog. I 908 00:50:40,960 --> 00:50:43,080 Speaker 1: feel like, okay, can I say something. I feel like 909 00:50:43,160 --> 00:50:45,400 Speaker 1: her all of her trail of wives are always the 910 00:50:45,400 --> 00:50:47,880 Speaker 1: ones with the dogs. Oh they come in with dogs 911 00:50:47,880 --> 00:50:50,360 Speaker 1: and maybe leave with the dog, or they buy a 912 00:50:50,400 --> 00:50:52,160 Speaker 1: dog during it to save the marriage like one and 913 00:50:52,200 --> 00:50:54,200 Speaker 1: a half years. So I feel like Rosie is very 914 00:50:54,239 --> 00:50:57,520 Speaker 1: leaded done in this way. We're like killing dogs. Yeah, yeah, 915 00:50:57,560 --> 00:51:00,480 Speaker 1: like they're savior complex. They're like, we adopted Fluffy and 916 00:51:00,520 --> 00:51:03,359 Speaker 1: then like you don't know where Fluffy went right, and 917 00:51:03,480 --> 00:51:06,040 Speaker 1: Dot has passed and they're like, oh yeah, we Actually 918 00:51:06,160 --> 00:51:08,840 Speaker 1: the pain was too hard getting over Dot, so we 919 00:51:09,000 --> 00:51:12,839 Speaker 1: broke up and it actually just really tore us apart 920 00:51:13,000 --> 00:51:15,560 Speaker 1: because I had to grief separately. Yeah, so I did 921 00:51:15,680 --> 00:51:20,440 Speaker 1: dumb heart yeah, and that grieving style. So I think 922 00:51:20,600 --> 00:51:23,879 Speaker 1: basically maybe the nineties when she was high rolling as 923 00:51:23,920 --> 00:51:28,080 Speaker 1: I spankled, she had a Midtown East like sloppy but 924 00:51:28,200 --> 00:51:31,480 Speaker 1: fabulous but heavy house. And now she lives in Nyack 925 00:51:31,560 --> 00:51:37,040 Speaker 1: And also just like the Midtown house sloppy, fabulous, heavy, 926 00:51:37,560 --> 00:51:39,600 Speaker 1: now there is a that's a description that's going to 927 00:51:39,640 --> 00:51:41,800 Speaker 1: get people in the door for an open house. Absolutely, 928 00:51:44,520 --> 00:51:48,479 Speaker 1: and now she has a bigger, sloppier, heavier, like more 929 00:51:49,080 --> 00:51:53,680 Speaker 1: mixed up decor, right, like a room of right, there's 930 00:51:53,680 --> 00:51:56,080 Speaker 1: a room with like so much Barbara Streis in and 931 00:51:56,120 --> 00:51:59,680 Speaker 1: then a room that's all hamper and yeah, no, there's 932 00:51:59,680 --> 00:52:03,080 Speaker 1: like there's a floor that's all hampers. She's also very 933 00:52:03,120 --> 00:52:06,440 Speaker 1: I'm sure there's a room that's like just like memorabilia 934 00:52:06,640 --> 00:52:09,160 Speaker 1: or something. Yeah, in like such a cribs way where 935 00:52:09,200 --> 00:52:13,600 Speaker 1: it's like her dolls and like so many Rosie frame things. 936 00:52:13,600 --> 00:52:17,520 Speaker 1: The susical poster of you know of you poster like 937 00:52:17,560 --> 00:52:21,839 Speaker 1: a League of their own poster signed. She was so wait. 938 00:52:22,280 --> 00:52:23,440 Speaker 1: I was just like we didn't even talk. So I 939 00:52:23,520 --> 00:52:27,759 Speaker 1: was like League of the room is huge, cry Like 940 00:52:27,920 --> 00:52:29,799 Speaker 1: I was like, we are not going to end this 941 00:52:29,920 --> 00:52:34,320 Speaker 1: up without me saying Rosie as a lesbian kind of movie. Yeah, 942 00:52:34,400 --> 00:52:37,640 Speaker 1: that's a canonical seminole. League of the Room was huge 943 00:52:37,680 --> 00:52:39,239 Speaker 1: for me. Did you know you were a game when 944 00:52:39,280 --> 00:52:43,359 Speaker 1: you watched that? Probably not, but probably inside I did. 945 00:52:43,400 --> 00:52:46,279 Speaker 1: I think I was like nine or ten, made you gay? 946 00:52:46,760 --> 00:52:49,040 Speaker 1: I think it was already there. It was there, It 947 00:52:49,080 --> 00:52:51,200 Speaker 1: was there. Yeah, that was like when you went to 948 00:52:51,200 --> 00:52:53,319 Speaker 1: the pool when you were four or something. Yeah, that 949 00:52:53,520 --> 00:53:00,799 Speaker 1: was more probably like seeing like caught like counselors. Yeah, yeah, 950 00:53:00,800 --> 00:53:03,120 Speaker 1: I know. Mine was like be like going into the 951 00:53:03,120 --> 00:53:06,640 Speaker 1: men's bathroom when I was like three and just like 952 00:53:06,760 --> 00:53:11,799 Speaker 1: being around the stension, that stension, yeah, DNB just being 953 00:53:11,840 --> 00:53:14,000 Speaker 1: like I can't wait till I'm an adult and I 954 00:53:14,000 --> 00:53:16,560 Speaker 1: can buy me on movie tickets, movie tickets, my own 955 00:53:16,680 --> 00:53:25,319 Speaker 1: charity movie tickets up. So okay, oh okay, So who 956 00:53:25,360 --> 00:53:30,280 Speaker 1: are you in the book? Okay, let me guess you first. Okay, 957 00:53:30,560 --> 00:53:33,520 Speaker 1: guess me guess my ass. I mean, I feel like 958 00:53:33,560 --> 00:53:36,560 Speaker 1: a little bit you're Danny O'Donnell. Okay, he's not in 959 00:53:36,600 --> 00:53:38,919 Speaker 1: the book, Like I do, feel like you're checking in. 960 00:53:39,239 --> 00:53:42,560 Speaker 1: I'm like riding in the cop car, being like, where 961 00:53:42,600 --> 00:53:46,440 Speaker 1: are you okay. I also feel like, out of the multiples, 962 00:53:47,120 --> 00:53:49,640 Speaker 1: am I Nancy the writer? The writer? Yeah, I was 963 00:53:49,640 --> 00:53:52,320 Speaker 1: gonna say her kind of long ass email, long ones 964 00:53:52,360 --> 00:53:54,080 Speaker 1: that are very little more where she's like she had 965 00:53:54,080 --> 00:53:56,279 Speaker 1: a way with words. Yeah, and it's like, well they're 966 00:53:56,360 --> 00:53:58,399 Speaker 1: kind of normal. It's more just like this is the 967 00:53:58,440 --> 00:54:01,719 Speaker 1: most normal email. So I feel like you're that I'm 968 00:54:01,760 --> 00:54:08,319 Speaker 1: a deeply normal emailer. Yes, almost, some might say too normal. No, 969 00:54:08,320 --> 00:54:12,719 Speaker 1: oh okay, I mean out well, I try to write 970 00:54:12,719 --> 00:54:16,640 Speaker 1: amazing emails. I've tried to. You taught me probably the best. 971 00:54:16,760 --> 00:54:20,600 Speaker 1: One of the best lessons. Oh, four lines, yeah for email, 972 00:54:20,719 --> 00:54:23,680 Speaker 1: just be succinct, scinct, the more did you say that 973 00:54:24,800 --> 00:54:33,920 Speaker 1: succinct st se sucks, succinct sex, Yes, more lines, less power. Yeah. 974 00:54:34,040 --> 00:54:36,879 Speaker 1: So now the shorter email has the more power you have. Um, 975 00:54:36,920 --> 00:54:39,799 Speaker 1: who do you think you are? Yeah? I mean, I 976 00:54:39,800 --> 00:54:44,200 Speaker 1: guess I identify with Nancy and her on her normal emails, 977 00:54:44,600 --> 00:54:46,840 Speaker 1: but maybe just because Rosie felt like they were working 978 00:54:46,840 --> 00:54:48,160 Speaker 1: on her, because it's like, I try to write an 979 00:54:48,160 --> 00:54:51,799 Speaker 1: email that is going to achieve the sort of its 980 00:54:51,840 --> 00:54:54,239 Speaker 1: intention if you will, you know, I'm like, what's what's 981 00:54:54,239 --> 00:54:57,120 Speaker 1: this email need to do? Right? I want to say 982 00:54:57,160 --> 00:55:00,479 Speaker 1: that you are. I mean, I'm looking at the menu 983 00:55:00,520 --> 00:55:03,680 Speaker 1: at Joe Allen's and I'm just like, I'm Rosy. Are 984 00:55:03,719 --> 00:55:07,799 Speaker 1: you Rosy? I think I'm Rosie. I don't think I'm 985 00:55:07,880 --> 00:55:10,239 Speaker 1: like I would have see like her at all. You're 986 00:55:10,280 --> 00:55:15,440 Speaker 1: not this like manipulative person, no, batically unmanipulative. Yeah, but 987 00:55:15,480 --> 00:55:18,160 Speaker 1: I think I could be maybe I'm oh, maybe I'm this. 988 00:55:18,200 --> 00:55:20,680 Speaker 1: Because Rosie always talked about how like Roe is her, 989 00:55:21,000 --> 00:55:24,240 Speaker 1: Rosie is TV her, I feel like maybe I'm actually 990 00:55:24,239 --> 00:55:28,480 Speaker 1: more TV Rosie, Like I'm You're couse, you're pretending to 991 00:55:28,560 --> 00:55:33,200 Speaker 1: have a crush from Tom Cruise. Yeah, yeah, Barbara Strand, Yeah, 992 00:55:33,200 --> 00:55:34,799 Speaker 1: well that was kind of me. With Matt Damon, I 993 00:55:34,840 --> 00:55:38,359 Speaker 1: was like, with all my Matt Damon pictures, Lily's high 994 00:55:38,400 --> 00:55:42,160 Speaker 1: school bedroom had all these like magazine cutouts of Matt 995 00:55:42,239 --> 00:55:45,400 Speaker 1: Damon on the wall of him looking hot, and that 996 00:55:45,480 --> 00:55:47,400 Speaker 1: was there was one it was like a Vanity Fair 997 00:55:47,680 --> 00:55:50,319 Speaker 1: photos shoot in a bathtub brushing his teeth or you are. 998 00:55:50,560 --> 00:55:51,960 Speaker 1: I mean that did something for me when I go 999 00:55:52,040 --> 00:55:53,600 Speaker 1: into your bed, it was, honestly it was for you. 1000 00:55:54,440 --> 00:55:57,000 Speaker 1: I was quite excited by that photo shop. So I'm like, 1001 00:55:57,040 --> 00:56:00,160 Speaker 1: I'm fun Rosie. I'm not like, You're not You're I'm 1002 00:56:00,239 --> 00:56:05,440 Speaker 1: not man, I'm not Row and four am no in 1003 00:56:05,440 --> 00:56:08,840 Speaker 1: that sense. I'm kind of the row, right, So okay, 1004 00:56:08,920 --> 00:56:12,879 Speaker 1: you're your Row. I'm for her evil Row. You're nice Row. 1005 00:56:16,200 --> 00:56:19,960 Speaker 1: Oh god, Stephen, I'm getting really hot. I think I 1006 00:56:20,000 --> 00:56:22,560 Speaker 1: need to take a break. I'm so steamy. I need 1007 00:56:22,600 --> 00:56:26,360 Speaker 1: to go to the beach for two weeks. Hey, club kids, Look, 1008 00:56:27,040 --> 00:56:29,080 Speaker 1: we got ahead to the beach. We all got to 1009 00:56:29,120 --> 00:56:30,960 Speaker 1: take a little vacation every now and then. I have 1010 00:56:30,960 --> 00:56:34,040 Speaker 1: a little opini of coladas. Okay, podcasting is hard work, 1011 00:56:34,360 --> 00:56:36,959 Speaker 1: so we're taking a two week break to go stare 1012 00:56:37,000 --> 00:56:41,840 Speaker 1: at the cabana. Boy mmmmmm, I like to sip something 1013 00:56:41,880 --> 00:56:45,359 Speaker 1: that they're serving. Honey, how far did that full scheme? 1014 00:56:45,480 --> 00:56:51,120 Speaker 1: Or go? And we will be returning for the school 1015 00:56:51,239 --> 00:56:56,719 Speaker 1: year with our favorite book ever, Terry Hatcher Burnt Toast, 1016 00:56:56,760 --> 00:56:59,880 Speaker 1: Burnt Toast Um, which really, I think to find my 1017 00:57:00,040 --> 00:57:02,880 Speaker 1: personality and certainly yours, and is the reason why we 1018 00:57:02,920 --> 00:57:05,480 Speaker 1: even do this podcast and a generation really so get 1019 00:57:05,480 --> 00:57:18,440 Speaker 1: excited literally do and or sunscreen boz Lerman, where sunscreen sip? Sip? Yeah? 1020 00:57:18,480 --> 00:57:22,040 Speaker 1: And where sunscreen? I remember they played that for us 1021 00:57:22,080 --> 00:57:26,000 Speaker 1: once at camp and it was like cool, Yeah, it 1022 00:57:26,040 --> 00:57:27,680 Speaker 1: was just like what do you remember from that song? 1023 00:57:27,840 --> 00:57:29,479 Speaker 1: Was like an important thing when we were like ten, 1024 00:57:29,600 --> 00:57:33,120 Speaker 1: and they were just like, anyway, this isn't that interesting? 1025 00:57:34,120 --> 00:57:37,600 Speaker 1: How fun in camp? I'm going to an adult summer 1026 00:57:37,800 --> 00:57:41,360 Speaker 1: a queer adult summer camp in my two week break. 1027 00:57:41,520 --> 00:57:44,960 Speaker 1: Oh yeah, I'm going to a sober morning rave with 1028 00:57:45,000 --> 00:57:48,440 Speaker 1: a bunch of my really amazing human friends. Um, and 1029 00:57:48,520 --> 00:57:51,440 Speaker 1: we're just gonna let loose. But I can't wait to 1030 00:57:51,440 --> 00:57:53,800 Speaker 1: get back to you guys read books. I'll be all 1031 00:57:53,920 --> 00:57:57,040 Speaker 1: revd up from my queer adult summer camp. We're gonna 1032 00:57:57,120 --> 00:58:00,760 Speaker 1: learn how to make bandannas and how to make super socks, 1033 00:58:01,200 --> 00:58:03,840 Speaker 1: and how to build fires and also just a lot 1034 00:58:03,880 --> 00:58:12,800 Speaker 1: about fire safety. This is kind of the end. M 1035 00:58:13,040 --> 00:58:15,920 Speaker 1: do go forth into your life and and if you 1036 00:58:15,960 --> 00:58:20,080 Speaker 1: get a spingle, feel it, feel it hard favorite know 1037 00:58:20,280 --> 00:58:38,880 Speaker 1: that something's coming. Oh the spingles. Um yeah, spinglet Hey, 1038 00:58:38,960 --> 00:58:42,680 Speaker 1: I'm Rosie. Celebrity Book Club is presented by Prolonged Projects 1039 00:58:42,680 --> 00:58:46,040 Speaker 1: and Headgum. The show is produced by Meg Burnane Good Chick, 1040 00:58:46,400 --> 00:58:50,360 Speaker 1: with editorial support from Hunk of Meat, Leon nay Fock, 1041 00:58:50,480 --> 00:58:54,800 Speaker 1: and Cutie Pie Andrew Persons and Madeline Kaplan. I don't 1042 00:58:54,880 --> 00:58:59,680 Speaker 1: think she's attractive in a sexual way at all. Abruption 1043 00:58:59,720 --> 00:59:03,320 Speaker 1: man's perceived for lid. Same goes with her good ship, 1044 00:59:03,520 --> 00:59:08,160 Speaker 1: great style, super funny broad I wouldn't like to make sweet, 1045 00:59:08,240 --> 00:59:12,720 Speaker 1: sweet love to her in a gorgeous hotel in midtown Manhattan. 1046 00:59:12,800 --> 00:59:15,440 Speaker 1: It's not a fantasy. I have not a fantasy. I 1047 00:59:15,480 --> 00:59:20,880 Speaker 1: will have engineering by Ferris Munchy Hubba hubba is he hot? 1048 00:59:21,480 --> 00:59:26,000 Speaker 1: Original themes on by Stephen Phillips horsed. I used to 1049 00:59:26,080 --> 00:59:28,880 Speaker 1: do the the Vegas Shows with him? All right by 1050 00:59:29,520 --> 00:59:34,320 Speaker 1: Teddy Mum mum, me a look at that butt blanks 1051 00:59:34,440 --> 00:59:37,960 Speaker 1: at chips and why follow us on Twitter at CPC 1052 00:59:38,160 --> 00:59:40,920 Speaker 1: the pod, So describe me your favorite podcast. I believe 1053 00:59:40,960 --> 00:59:43,440 Speaker 1: us for review YadA YadA. Don't forget to tell your 1054 00:59:43,440 --> 00:59:46,000 Speaker 1: friends about us. I don't get all this tech stuff. 1055 01:00:03,680 --> 01:00:05,120 Speaker 1: That was a headgun podcast.