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Speaker 1: Welcome to another addition of Big Blue Kickoff live right

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Speaker 1: here on Giants dot Com. I'm back schmilk Meadow with

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Speaker 1: a week since we've chatted, and a lot going on

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Speaker 1: to an amazing Giants Prizes. Welcome. How are your Lands,

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Speaker 1: I'm doing all right. How it takes with you? I'm good.

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Speaker 1: And a lot of news dropping yesterday in the National

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Speaker 1: Football League. Obviously the playoffs going on. We could touch

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Speaker 1: on that if you want, but the most recent development

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Speaker 1: is a lot of the head coaching vacancies, and there

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Speaker 1: were plenty are being filled and I feel like Lands,

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Speaker 1: if you're an NFL coach, when you show up to

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Speaker 1: your interview, the first thing you should do is find

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Speaker 1: some type of photographic evidence that you once interacted with

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Speaker 1: Sean McVeigh and if you did that, you have a

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Speaker 1: good chance at getting a job. I couldn't believe it.

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Speaker 1: And the highers that happened yesterday, I'm not sure after

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Speaker 1: Bruce Arians to the Tam Bay Buccaneers, which is McVeigh related.

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Speaker 1: Matt Lafleur going to the Packers that is McVeigh related,

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Speaker 1: and then you have Cliff Kingsbury going to the Cardinals,

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Speaker 1: which on the surface does not appear to be McVeigh

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Speaker 1: in the press release, Kingsbury COMMA, who is friends? What

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Speaker 1: I mean if if you're really skilled at photo shot,

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Speaker 1: like watching film, and you can become a quarterbacks coach

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Speaker 1: somewhere your thoughts, Yeah, I gotta chuckle out of that too.

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Speaker 1: I'm actually surprised instead of going that route. And in fairness,

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Speaker 1: McVeigh did offer Kingsbury a gig with the Rams after

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Speaker 1: he was let go by Texas Tech, but that doesn't

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Speaker 1: necessarily mean much of anything. They work together, so I

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Speaker 1: understand that. But if I'm the Cardinals John, why not

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Speaker 1: sell the fact forget McVeigh, Why not sell the fact

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Speaker 1: that Kingsbury played a year with the Patriots in two

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Speaker 1: Why not do that that's the route that I would

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Speaker 1: have went. Isn't at a stronger selling point that Sean

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Speaker 1: McVeigh or being friends with him or having a phone

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Speaker 1: and the fact, frankly that the Rams offense has come

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Speaker 1: the Cowboys have been really good against playoff offenses if

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Speaker 1: Sean McVeigh has done a great job with the Rams,

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Speaker 1: all that, and I'm a percent in favor of all

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Speaker 1: And you know, we talked about this last year when

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Speaker 1: across the board. But a big part of coaching is

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Speaker 1: It's about overseeing a team, motivating. There's so many other

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Speaker 1: I'm always concerned about what is he gonna do from

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Speaker 1: So let's kind of go through the hires. We talked

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Speaker 1: people say, well, he didn't win a Texas Texa, why

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Speaker 1: I think again, offensively that works. The la fleur thing

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Speaker 1: Here's to me, the selling point from Matt Lafleur. The

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Speaker 1: are good, buddy, Dave Dominic. Two reports just coming in,

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Speaker 1: I think that's a good higher and I got to

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Speaker 1: at the line of scrimmage seventeen times. So that to

428
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Speaker 1: me probably is why he finds this extremely attractive. Now,

429
00:19:47,040 --> 00:19:48,600
Speaker 1: the other thing that I wanted to bring up on

430
00:19:48,680 --> 00:19:51,440
Speaker 1: Mike McCarthy, and this goes back to the media narrative

431
00:19:51,920 --> 00:19:56,000
Speaker 1: and people jumping to conclusions. Notice how when the Browns

432
00:19:56,320 --> 00:19:59,440
Speaker 1: got rid of you Jackson, the narrative became Mike McCarthy's

433
00:19:59,480 --> 00:20:01,920
Speaker 1: going to the England Browns because Dorsey was in Green Bay.

434
00:20:02,119 --> 00:20:04,399
Speaker 1: It just goes to show you, regardless of what is

435
00:20:04,440 --> 00:20:08,280
Speaker 1: reported and what everybody thinks is tied in, doesn't necessarily

436
00:20:08,320 --> 00:20:10,359
Speaker 1: always work out to a t. So that was a

437
00:20:10,440 --> 00:20:13,359
Speaker 1: huge story. McCarthy was immediately tied to the Browns opening

438
00:20:13,440 --> 00:20:16,480
Speaker 1: John once Hugh Jackson was let go, and now they

439
00:20:16,480 --> 00:20:18,959
Speaker 1: wind up promoting Freddie Kitchens. And you didn't really hear

440
00:20:19,040 --> 00:20:21,280
Speaker 1: much about McCarthy, And I don't think I've ever interviewed

441
00:20:21,280 --> 00:20:23,480
Speaker 1: there right then they delay or canceled the interview, and

442
00:20:23,480 --> 00:20:25,320
Speaker 1: I'm not sure the interview ever happened, to be honest

443
00:20:25,359 --> 00:20:27,480
Speaker 1: with you. And I think one thing that's been underrated

444
00:20:27,520 --> 00:20:29,920
Speaker 1: about that Brown's job, and obviously it is very attractive

445
00:20:29,920 --> 00:20:34,119
Speaker 1: because of Baker Mayfield. I think the way ownership has

446
00:20:34,119 --> 00:20:37,159
Speaker 1: cycled through a lot of people in the front office

447
00:20:37,240 --> 00:20:39,680
Speaker 1: leading to some level of instability lands. I think that's

448
00:20:39,760 --> 00:20:43,240
Speaker 1: kind of been something that worries coaches a little bit

449
00:20:43,640 --> 00:20:46,520
Speaker 1: when they go to a place, and I think, uh,

450
00:20:46,560 --> 00:20:49,919
Speaker 1: the Jets, for all the issues they have had, they

451
00:20:49,960 --> 00:20:53,239
Speaker 1: have stable ownership in the Johnson so um so it's

452
00:20:53,240 --> 00:20:55,200
Speaker 1: something to throw out there real quick. By the way,

453
00:20:55,200 --> 00:20:58,240
Speaker 1: the Bears were plus two were in that game and

454
00:20:58,280 --> 00:21:00,480
Speaker 1: it still didn't win, but they capital, they did not

455
00:21:00,560 --> 00:21:03,280
Speaker 1: have a defensive score, and their offense didn't do much

456
00:21:03,359 --> 00:21:06,800
Speaker 1: until Dubitsky got going there in the in the fourth quarter.

457
00:21:06,840 --> 00:21:10,320
Speaker 1: Anyway to three, anything you want to talk about in

458
00:21:10,520 --> 00:21:13,280
Speaker 1: the NFL, or of course everything your giants were here.

459
00:21:13,520 --> 00:21:16,280
Speaker 1: Let's get to the calls and start with Lennon Columbia Marylands.

460
00:21:16,280 --> 00:21:18,720
Speaker 1: Who will lead us off today? Lenn is rarely the

461
00:21:18,800 --> 00:21:22,320
Speaker 1: lead off hitter. What's going on, buddy? How you doing? Guys?

462
00:21:22,359 --> 00:21:25,679
Speaker 1: How are you? Yeah, first time I talked to you

463
00:21:25,760 --> 00:21:29,320
Speaker 1: since the season ended. Yeah, yeah, it took a little

464
00:21:29,359 --> 00:21:32,800
Speaker 1: while to get over that. Uh, those less three games,

465
00:21:32,840 --> 00:21:39,600
Speaker 1: that was pretty frustrating, demoralizing. I thought we you know,

466
00:21:40,040 --> 00:21:42,879
Speaker 1: I thought we'd get one to all three of those games.

467
00:21:43,320 --> 00:21:45,080
Speaker 1: I thought we were playing well enough to do that.

468
00:21:45,160 --> 00:21:47,640
Speaker 1: Two games at home lend. The bottom line, the defense,

469
00:21:47,760 --> 00:21:50,040
Speaker 1: I couldn't find progress. I can't find them. I'm looking.

470
00:21:50,119 --> 00:21:51,679
Speaker 1: We don't have to discuss it now. I had some

471
00:21:51,720 --> 00:21:53,399
Speaker 1: other things I'd like to talk to you about, but

472
00:21:53,720 --> 00:21:57,680
Speaker 1: I couldn't. Really, I couldn't find any progress from seventeen

473
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Speaker 1: to eighteen. No, I think that's fair. I think you

474
00:22:01,240 --> 00:22:03,399
Speaker 1: saw a lot of progress offensively in the second half

475
00:22:03,440 --> 00:22:05,520
Speaker 1: of the year. They randomble more consistent of the average

476
00:22:05,520 --> 00:22:08,080
Speaker 1: twenty seven points per game, which is ten points more

477
00:22:08,119 --> 00:22:10,399
Speaker 1: per game than they did the previous year. So I

478
00:22:10,440 --> 00:22:13,240
Speaker 1: think that's big progress. The big problem you have right now,

479
00:22:13,400 --> 00:22:16,040
Speaker 1: you gotta find playmakers on defense that can get after

480
00:22:16,040 --> 00:22:18,280
Speaker 1: the quarterback and get stops when you need them. That's

481
00:22:18,320 --> 00:22:20,560
Speaker 1: the next step in the progress that this team needs,

482
00:22:20,560 --> 00:22:22,240
Speaker 1: and and you gotta solidify the right side of the

483
00:22:22,320 --> 00:22:25,480
Speaker 1: offensive line. If you do those things, you'll be okay, Okay,

484
00:22:25,600 --> 00:22:28,320
Speaker 1: I always you know, I always respect your opinion. I

485
00:22:28,680 --> 00:22:31,280
Speaker 1: had trouble doing it. Um, you know, three and thirteen,

486
00:22:31,800 --> 00:22:35,320
Speaker 1: uh five and eleven back to back. Let me let

487
00:22:35,320 --> 00:22:38,000
Speaker 1: me let me give you a number. Sure, um, although

488
00:22:38,000 --> 00:22:42,919
Speaker 1: it may not relate specifically to the progress point, but

489
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Speaker 1: let me just lay this out on you. Forty two

490
00:22:45,640 --> 00:22:48,800
Speaker 1: years you got to go back to the fourteen game

491
00:22:48,840 --> 00:22:52,680
Speaker 1: schedule to find back to back seasons with as few

492
00:22:52,720 --> 00:22:59,600
Speaker 1: as eight winch Well, the seventies were a rough decade. Yeah,

493
00:22:59,600 --> 00:23:04,160
Speaker 1: I mean that's um, you know, that's going back pretty far. Um, Yeah,

494
00:23:04,240 --> 00:23:08,080
Speaker 1: I I you know, I guess there's some semblance of

495
00:23:08,080 --> 00:23:11,080
Speaker 1: of progress those It was pretty desperate there at the end,

496
00:23:12,200 --> 00:23:15,280
Speaker 1: you know, tennis Tennessee fans in the stadium on a

497
00:23:15,400 --> 00:23:19,280
Speaker 1: rainy day, the players jumping up, jumping up and down

498
00:23:19,320 --> 00:23:21,080
Speaker 1: on our end zone when the ball game was over.

499
00:23:21,160 --> 00:23:22,520
Speaker 1: That was a bad day. That was a bad day

500
00:23:22,840 --> 00:23:25,879
Speaker 1: all around the weather. The result of all surrounded by

501
00:23:25,960 --> 00:23:28,840
Speaker 1: Dallas fans and losing that game to Dallas, which which

502
00:23:28,840 --> 00:23:30,960
Speaker 1: I think we should have won. And I mean it

503
00:23:31,040 --> 00:23:35,000
Speaker 1: was pretty I don't know. I'm sure Mr Marafields the

504
00:23:35,040 --> 00:23:38,400
Speaker 1: same way. All right, onward and upward. I got them.

505
00:23:38,440 --> 00:23:41,119
Speaker 1: I'm working my way through it, and I'm back to it.

506
00:23:41,200 --> 00:23:42,560
Speaker 1: Let me let me make a you know, a couple

507
00:23:42,600 --> 00:23:47,640
Speaker 1: of couple of comments on the coaching changes, and um,

508
00:23:47,680 --> 00:23:50,320
Speaker 1: I sure like to have a transcript of the conversation

509
00:23:50,400 --> 00:23:53,840
Speaker 1: between Dorsey and Williams when he told Williams he was

510
00:23:53,920 --> 00:23:56,480
Speaker 1: hiring Kitchens as a head coach. I'm sure Greg Williams

511
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Speaker 1: was not happy. And then the only other thing, I guess, John,

512
00:24:02,400 --> 00:24:04,760
Speaker 1: I'm in your camp, although Lance wasn't far behind on

513
00:24:04,800 --> 00:24:10,680
Speaker 1: this either. Um, the sooner Greg Williams gets out of

514
00:24:10,720 --> 00:24:12,960
Speaker 1: the league, the better for me. I mean, I don't

515
00:24:12,960 --> 00:24:14,679
Speaker 1: want I don't want to see that guy in the league.

516
00:24:15,040 --> 00:24:18,120
Speaker 1: He's just he's just a bad guy. Just a bad guy.

517
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Speaker 1: And um, you know McCarthy may be interested in the

518
00:24:22,240 --> 00:24:26,480
Speaker 1: Jets job because that may be the only job he's

519
00:24:26,520 --> 00:24:30,359
Speaker 1: got a shot at. Well what we're seeing the respect

520
00:24:30,480 --> 00:24:33,080
Speaker 1: the market. No, you're you're right, Len, I mean, and

521
00:24:33,119 --> 00:24:35,280
Speaker 1: then you look at the fact that two more vacancies

522
00:24:35,320 --> 00:24:37,760
Speaker 1: now got filled today, so you take that into consideration.

523
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Speaker 1: You're right, I think he's honing in on the Jets gig.

524
00:24:40,359 --> 00:24:42,440
Speaker 1: I think he finds that to be the most attractive gig.

525
00:24:42,840 --> 00:24:45,600
Speaker 1: And he also has said that he's willing to sit

526
00:24:45,640 --> 00:24:48,720
Speaker 1: out the season if nothing comes to fruition. So I

527
00:24:48,720 --> 00:24:52,520
Speaker 1: don't think he's just I just wonder how much there is,

528
00:24:52,800 --> 00:24:57,560
Speaker 1: how much interest there has been other than in the media, um,

529
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Speaker 1: for Mike McCarthy that got a head coaching job they year,

530
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Speaker 1: And he may be just reaching out saying, uh, you know,

531
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Speaker 1: that's the one I really want, but I'll sit out

532
00:25:06,280 --> 00:25:08,280
Speaker 1: if I don't get that one. But all right, well

533
00:25:08,280 --> 00:25:13,200
Speaker 1: we'll see and and John an apology. Um, a month

534
00:25:13,240 --> 00:25:15,800
Speaker 1: ago you said to me after when we were having

535
00:25:15,800 --> 00:25:18,720
Speaker 1: a conversation after the Redskin game, and you said to me,

536
00:25:18,760 --> 00:25:22,240
Speaker 1: what do you think the chances are the Gluten stays around?

537
00:25:22,600 --> 00:25:24,959
Speaker 1: And I said, oh, I think Gluten is done. And

538
00:25:25,000 --> 00:25:29,320
Speaker 1: I think, you know, Alan, the general manager, has also done.

539
00:25:29,680 --> 00:25:34,320
Speaker 1: But it looks like Snyder looked around and didn't see

540
00:25:34,320 --> 00:25:37,639
Speaker 1: anybody better than Gruden. You know, too many vacancies and

541
00:25:37,640 --> 00:25:40,760
Speaker 1: everybody's trying to get the same people, and so so

542
00:25:40,800 --> 00:25:42,880
Speaker 1: I think he just stayed with Gruden. Now, what he's

543
00:25:42,880 --> 00:25:45,840
Speaker 1: going to do with Allen. I don't know. Um, he's

544
00:25:45,840 --> 00:25:47,920
Speaker 1: got a problem on the business side that he needs

545
00:25:48,000 --> 00:25:49,720
Speaker 1: to take care of, and maybe that's where he's going

546
00:25:49,800 --> 00:25:52,600
Speaker 1: to move Alan. He has to bring in the general manage. Yes,

547
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Speaker 1: I'm sorry, you're fine. You're fine. He actually let go

548
00:25:55,200 --> 00:25:59,560
Speaker 1: of his top guy on the business side right this offseason. Yes, yeah, yeah,

549
00:25:59,600 --> 00:26:02,359
Speaker 1: we came. He was only with him for like six months,

550
00:26:03,359 --> 00:26:06,640
Speaker 1: and the guy had an interesting philosophy about dealing with

551
00:26:06,680 --> 00:26:10,040
Speaker 1: how to get people into that stadium. Uh, and you know,

552
00:26:10,080 --> 00:26:12,720
Speaker 1: he started announcing that we got tickets available, and I

553
00:26:12,760 --> 00:26:16,320
Speaker 1: don't think Mr Snyder liked the emphasis on tickets being available.

554
00:26:17,680 --> 00:26:19,600
Speaker 1: But the time, by the time the season was over,

555
00:26:19,680 --> 00:26:21,920
Speaker 1: I guess he kind of a guy. Wasn't with him

556
00:26:21,920 --> 00:26:24,160
Speaker 1: for like only like six months, and he brought other

557
00:26:24,240 --> 00:26:27,600
Speaker 1: people from the NFL office, you know, to help out

558
00:26:27,680 --> 00:26:30,600
Speaker 1: with running the business side of the organization. So maybe

559
00:26:30,640 --> 00:26:32,680
Speaker 1: he's going to move Allan over there and maybe try

560
00:26:32,720 --> 00:26:35,639
Speaker 1: to get a general manager or director of football operations.

561
00:26:35,680 --> 00:26:38,320
Speaker 1: Maybe he won't even call him a general manager, they'll

562
00:26:38,320 --> 00:26:42,200
Speaker 1: call him a director of football observations. But Allen's on

563
00:26:42,280 --> 00:26:47,359
Speaker 1: the forecast of gruten was getting fired, Was was wrong

564
00:26:47,560 --> 00:26:50,159
Speaker 1: and you know, good for good and he's an okay coach. Well,

565
00:26:50,200 --> 00:26:52,040
Speaker 1: but Len, why would you get rid of gruted? I

566
00:26:52,040 --> 00:26:54,600
Speaker 1: mean he was down to his fourth string quarterback, he

567
00:26:54,680 --> 00:26:59,720
Speaker 1: lost his entire offensive line. I mean, given the circumstances,

568
00:26:59,720 --> 00:27:02,360
Speaker 1: act Grooten did a hell of a job. Yeah, yeah, one.

569
00:27:02,680 --> 00:27:04,479
Speaker 1: You know, he had the trouble with the you know,

570
00:27:04,520 --> 00:27:09,639
Speaker 1: with the safety who was mouthin officer every game, and

571
00:27:09,720 --> 00:27:11,800
Speaker 1: you know he tried to try to, you know, try

572
00:27:11,840 --> 00:27:13,880
Speaker 1: to get that under control. I think I think you're

573
00:27:13,920 --> 00:27:17,120
Speaker 1: right last, I think he did okay on that. Hey, um,

574
00:27:17,240 --> 00:27:19,240
Speaker 1: let me throw some meat line numbers out at you.

575
00:27:19,880 --> 00:27:22,119
Speaker 1: I guess this is in the justification of where I

576
00:27:22,119 --> 00:27:24,880
Speaker 1: know you guys feel we should go at the quarterbacks

577
00:27:24,880 --> 00:27:27,920
Speaker 1: about two thousand nineteen. But some of this stuff looked

578
00:27:27,920 --> 00:27:29,680
Speaker 1: pretty good for me. Now, you can't hide the fact

579
00:27:29,760 --> 00:27:31,920
Speaker 1: that we were three and thirteen and five and eleven.

580
00:27:32,600 --> 00:27:36,119
Speaker 1: But you know, in completions, he was seventh in the

581
00:27:36,160 --> 00:27:40,240
Speaker 1: league with three eighty yards gained. He was ninth with

582
00:27:41,040 --> 00:27:45,800
Speaker 1: hundred I rounded up by the way from um yards

583
00:27:45,920 --> 00:27:50,800
Speaker 1: for game. He was fifteenth at seventeenth and touchdowns with

584
00:27:50,880 --> 00:27:57,200
Speaker 1: twenty one fifteen and interceptions with eleven. But his interception percentage,

585
00:27:57,640 --> 00:28:00,200
Speaker 1: and this is often overlooked, was less than two per cent,

586
00:28:00,359 --> 00:28:04,000
Speaker 1: and that's starting good. I couldn't get a number, but

587
00:28:04,119 --> 00:28:08,280
Speaker 1: it's his His UM interception percentage was less than two.

588
00:28:09,520 --> 00:28:13,879
Speaker 1: Sixth in sacks with forty seven eight and first downs

589
00:28:15,359 --> 00:28:21,600
Speaker 1: UM six in twenty plus yard completions fifty seven and

590
00:28:21,880 --> 00:28:25,800
Speaker 1: six in forty plus yards completions with ten. So, by

591
00:28:25,800 --> 00:28:28,280
Speaker 1: the way, in other words, that whole idea that he

592
00:28:28,359 --> 00:28:31,000
Speaker 1: was turned into captain checkdown at the start of the year,

593
00:28:31,000 --> 00:28:32,880
Speaker 1: that kind of went by the wayside there pretty quickly,

594
00:28:32,880 --> 00:28:35,480
Speaker 1: didn't it. Yeah, it sure did on those on those

595
00:28:35,520 --> 00:28:37,760
Speaker 1: twenty I was a little surprised by that. I didn't

596
00:28:37,800 --> 00:28:41,040
Speaker 1: think he was captain checkdown. But when you look at

597
00:28:41,040 --> 00:28:43,240
Speaker 1: these numbers, those are those are pretty good numbers. He

598
00:28:43,360 --> 00:28:47,480
Speaker 1: was eleventh in drops with nineteen drops officially, I guess

599
00:28:47,520 --> 00:28:49,880
Speaker 1: by I think it was Pro Football Focus that was

600
00:28:51,040 --> 00:28:55,360
Speaker 1: where I found these numbers, plus plus the NFL UH stats.

601
00:28:55,400 --> 00:28:59,800
Speaker 1: But those are pretty good numbers. Um, you know, I

602
00:29:00,120 --> 00:29:02,320
Speaker 1: you feel the same way. I mean, I think he's

603
00:29:02,760 --> 00:29:05,200
Speaker 1: the quarterback in nineteen and I wouldn't be surprised if

604
00:29:05,200 --> 00:29:08,640
Speaker 1: he gets If he gets an extension. He's challenging, and

605
00:29:08,880 --> 00:29:10,800
Speaker 1: I guess that's the way of saying I don't think

606
00:29:10,840 --> 00:29:16,440
Speaker 1: they should go quarterback at at six um. Well, it depends, listen.

607
00:29:16,520 --> 00:29:18,840
Speaker 1: Let it it comes down to what they think of

608
00:29:18,880 --> 00:29:21,400
Speaker 1: this class, which is not nearly as deep as last

609
00:29:21,480 --> 00:29:23,640
Speaker 1: year's class. And I brought this up on yesterday's show,

610
00:29:24,040 --> 00:29:25,960
Speaker 1: and I think this is an important conversation that the

611
00:29:26,000 --> 00:29:28,960
Speaker 1: Giants need to have and thanks, they need to appreciate

612
00:29:29,000 --> 00:29:31,640
Speaker 1: you weighing it. They need to ask themselves, where does

613
00:29:31,680 --> 00:29:36,880
Speaker 1: a guy like Haskin's rank in comparison to Mayfield and

614
00:29:37,080 --> 00:29:40,720
Speaker 1: Rosen and Alan and all of these other guys Donald

615
00:29:40,960 --> 00:29:43,360
Speaker 1: and last year's class and guys that might be coming

616
00:29:43,360 --> 00:29:45,520
Speaker 1: out in next year's class. Correct, But I think it

617
00:29:45,640 --> 00:29:47,920
Speaker 1: may be a little bit easier to do it from

618
00:29:47,920 --> 00:29:50,320
Speaker 1: the previous year's class as opposed to project because you

619
00:29:50,320 --> 00:29:52,720
Speaker 1: don't know truly who everyone that is gonna come out

620
00:29:52,760 --> 00:29:56,040
Speaker 1: though in two thousands, sometimes guys wait till it's very late.

621
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Speaker 1: Quite frankly, even if these quarterbacks and I don't know

622
00:29:59,800 --> 00:30:02,080
Speaker 1: how what they think about these quarterbacks. And Dwayne Haskins

623
00:30:02,120 --> 00:30:04,440
Speaker 1: declared two days ago, which is you know, he's probably

624
00:30:04,480 --> 00:30:06,240
Speaker 1: gonna be the first quarterback off the board, though a

625
00:30:06,280 --> 00:30:09,000
Speaker 1: lot of time to go. You know, how they compare

626
00:30:09,040 --> 00:30:12,080
Speaker 1: to those five guys is I'm not gonna say irrelevant,

627
00:30:12,120 --> 00:30:15,840
Speaker 1: but what if there's no se Quon there to pick either?

628
00:30:16,280 --> 00:30:17,680
Speaker 1: You know what I mean? It's not that they didn't

629
00:30:17,720 --> 00:30:20,040
Speaker 1: like the quarterbacks last year, they just like se kwon

630
00:30:20,160 --> 00:30:23,000
Speaker 1: that much better. You know what I mean? With you, John,

631
00:30:23,000 --> 00:30:24,920
Speaker 1: I guess what I'm bringing that point up is is

632
00:30:24,960 --> 00:30:29,280
Speaker 1: that you could be considered the top quarterback in your class,

633
00:30:29,320 --> 00:30:32,120
Speaker 1: but it may be a significant drop off from what

634
00:30:32,160 --> 00:30:34,880
Speaker 1: a number one or number two ranked quarterback is in

635
00:30:34,920 --> 00:30:37,760
Speaker 1: the previous year's class. So just because you're the top

636
00:30:37,840 --> 00:30:40,640
Speaker 1: five doesn't mean that you're the top guy by a

637
00:30:40,720 --> 00:30:43,560
Speaker 1: huge margin. Are you a franchise quarter exactly? So, so

638
00:30:43,640 --> 00:30:46,280
Speaker 1: you don't just settle on, Well, let's take the top

639
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Speaker 1: ranked quarterback simply because we're high in the draft. We

640
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Speaker 1: may need a future quarterback, and many considering the top guy, Well,

641
00:30:52,920 --> 00:30:55,080
Speaker 1: that doesn't mean that at the end of the day,

642
00:30:55,600 --> 00:30:58,800
Speaker 1: he's ten times better than the previous year's class, two

643
00:30:58,880 --> 00:31:01,280
Speaker 1: years classes. So if words, so, that's why I think

644
00:31:01,280 --> 00:31:03,720
Speaker 1: it's important for the Giants scounting department, the front office

645
00:31:03,760 --> 00:31:07,360
Speaker 1: to put things in perspective. Okay, this is what Haskins

646
00:31:07,400 --> 00:31:11,000
Speaker 1: does well, this is his upside, But is he above

647
00:31:11,040 --> 00:31:13,840
Speaker 1: in beyond what last year's classes? Is he a tad

648
00:31:13,880 --> 00:31:16,640
Speaker 1: lower than that? So that's why I think that conversation

649
00:31:16,760 --> 00:31:20,440
Speaker 1: is extremely important. Is he a quarterback that you think

650
00:31:20,480 --> 00:31:22,120
Speaker 1: can leads you to a super Bowl at some point?

651
00:31:22,240 --> 00:31:23,360
Speaker 1: Or is he a guy that's just going to be

652
00:31:23,400 --> 00:31:25,600
Speaker 1: a starter and be Okay, if he's the latter, you

653
00:31:25,600 --> 00:31:27,560
Speaker 1: don't pick him at six. If he is, then yeah,

654
00:31:27,600 --> 00:31:29,120
Speaker 1: you're sure as he'll think about it. And I even

655
00:31:29,160 --> 00:31:30,800
Speaker 1: looked at Haskins yet, so I don't have an opinion

656
00:31:30,840 --> 00:31:32,840
Speaker 1: on it. I'm gonna do that after the Senior Bowl.

657
00:31:32,840 --> 00:31:35,120
Speaker 1: I have about thirty guys on a look at before

658
00:31:35,120 --> 00:31:36,800
Speaker 1: I go to Mobile in a week, so I've got

659
00:31:36,800 --> 00:31:39,240
Speaker 1: to focus on those guys first. Well, and they're saying

660
00:31:39,280 --> 00:31:41,840
Speaker 1: that this is a pretty good Senior Bowl class compared

661
00:31:41,920 --> 00:31:45,240
Speaker 1: to previous years. Day the quarterback quarterback class is excellent.

662
00:31:45,560 --> 00:31:49,200
Speaker 1: You've got greer Lock the Jones kids. Since he graduated

663
00:31:49,240 --> 00:31:52,600
Speaker 1: after his junior year, He's gonna be there. He Locking

664
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Speaker 1: Jones right now, from what I'm reading the Tea leaves

665
00:31:56,160 --> 00:31:58,720
Speaker 1: and talking to people around the league, they are both

666
00:31:58,760 --> 00:32:01,080
Speaker 1: probably going to sneak into the first round. And I

667
00:32:01,120 --> 00:32:03,920
Speaker 1: think Drew Locks the guy this year that because he

668
00:32:04,040 --> 00:32:07,080
Speaker 1: is such a big arm and physically is impressive, he's

669
00:32:07,080 --> 00:32:10,200
Speaker 1: gonna blow away all these like you know, Pro Day's

670
00:32:10,240 --> 00:32:14,360
Speaker 1: workouts and that sort of thing. So that's where I'm

671
00:32:14,400 --> 00:32:17,080
Speaker 1: at in terms of the quarterbacks. But we'll see. It'll

672
00:32:17,080 --> 00:32:19,320
Speaker 1: be interesting. But they got a couple of Sweats gonna

673
00:32:19,320 --> 00:32:21,480
Speaker 1: be there as a pass rusher. The Kentucky Kid's gonna

674
00:32:21,480 --> 00:32:23,240
Speaker 1: be there as a pass rusher. You've got a couple

675
00:32:23,240 --> 00:32:25,840
Speaker 1: of good offensive lineman, especially inside. So yeah, it's gonna

676
00:32:25,840 --> 00:32:28,760
Speaker 1: be a pretty strong Senior Bowl group. And usually, and

677
00:32:28,760 --> 00:32:31,120
Speaker 1: we talked about this during the draft, the second and

678
00:32:31,200 --> 00:32:34,240
Speaker 1: third round is full of guys that were at the

679
00:32:34,280 --> 00:32:38,120
Speaker 1: Senior Bowl. So the Giant Secon round pick, it could

680
00:32:38,280 --> 00:32:40,800
Speaker 1: very much like last year with Hernandez, it could be

681
00:32:40,840 --> 00:32:43,120
Speaker 1: someone that was astandable. Also just as a means of

682
00:32:43,160 --> 00:32:46,800
Speaker 1: comparison Indianapolis, which is having a hell of the run

683
00:32:46,880 --> 00:32:50,000
Speaker 1: here and is dangerous team and turn things around there

684
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Speaker 1: after one in five start. They were picking right around

685
00:32:52,280 --> 00:32:54,720
Speaker 1: the Giants John and they got Braydon Smith and they

686
00:32:54,760 --> 00:32:57,080
Speaker 1: got Darius Leonard, So I mean, look at the impact

687
00:32:57,080 --> 00:32:59,280
Speaker 1: that those two second round players played in. The reason

688
00:32:59,360 --> 00:33:02,280
Speaker 1: I bring that up is everybody emphasizes the sixth overall pick,

689
00:33:02,600 --> 00:33:04,720
Speaker 1: but as we mentioned, it's the meat and potatoes of

690
00:33:04,800 --> 00:33:06,760
Speaker 1: the draft, not just who you take in the first round. Yeah,

691
00:33:06,760 --> 00:33:09,680
Speaker 1: Bradon Smith's impact on that team has been way underrated.

692
00:33:09,680 --> 00:33:11,320
Speaker 1: And when Nelson there's all the credit in the world.

693
00:33:11,360 --> 00:33:13,640
Speaker 1: So does Darius Leonard. But Brandon Smiths stepped in and

694
00:33:13,720 --> 00:33:16,120
Speaker 1: been a good right tackle for them. Yeah, considering all

695
00:33:16,120 --> 00:33:19,520
Speaker 1: the injuries. People forget they lost Matt Slawson, their starting center,

696
00:33:19,560 --> 00:33:21,720
Speaker 1: and then Joe Haig, who they were moving around. Both

697
00:33:21,720 --> 00:33:23,360
Speaker 1: of those guys were lost very early in the season,

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00:33:23,440 --> 00:33:25,880
Speaker 1: so their plan was not to put Bradon Smith in

699
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Speaker 1: from day one, but they had to as a result

700
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Speaker 1: of the injuries. Has done a great job. We lost

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Speaker 1: internet here, folks, so I'm not gonna look anything up

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Speaker 1: Antonio in Philadelphia is up next. What's up Antonio? Hey, guys,

706
00:33:44,680 --> 00:33:48,920
Speaker 1: how are you doing much? Um? I just want to

707
00:33:48,960 --> 00:33:53,360
Speaker 1: talk about the upcoming draft. I believe the next two

708
00:33:53,440 --> 00:33:55,960
Speaker 1: drafts for the drafts and it's going to be very critical.

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00:33:56,400 --> 00:33:59,280
Speaker 1: Every draft critical, Yeah, every grass is critical, but I

710
00:33:59,280 --> 00:34:03,520
Speaker 1: believe that in the twenty nineteen and the draft is

711
00:34:03,520 --> 00:34:07,400
Speaker 1: going to be very critical. Right now, let's just say

712
00:34:08,000 --> 00:34:12,120
Speaker 1: the Giants don't like any of these quarterbacks in this

713
00:34:12,600 --> 00:34:15,200
Speaker 1: in this draft, and the pass on draft and quarterback

714
00:34:15,239 --> 00:34:19,640
Speaker 1: in now, let's just say in twenty nine, in twenty

715
00:34:19,719 --> 00:34:24,399
Speaker 1: nineties season, the Giants go, let's just say Tennis six

716
00:34:26,360 --> 00:34:30,200
Speaker 1: and they make it to the playoffs, and right now

717
00:34:30,280 --> 00:34:34,640
Speaker 1: they after that they probably drafting probably and in the twenties.

718
00:34:35,560 --> 00:34:39,839
Speaker 1: So therefore they're probably going to screw themselves out of

719
00:34:40,160 --> 00:34:44,600
Speaker 1: getting one of these guys in the drafts. And Antonio,

720
00:34:44,719 --> 00:34:47,120
Speaker 1: that's the real trick, and that's what we talked about

721
00:34:47,200 --> 00:34:49,719
Speaker 1: last year, where when you're in the position to get

722
00:34:49,760 --> 00:34:52,480
Speaker 1: a quarterback and you don't have to do anything to

723
00:34:52,560 --> 00:34:54,719
Speaker 1: get them, that's what it makes the most sense to

724
00:34:54,800 --> 00:34:56,359
Speaker 1: do it. Now, they thought Barkley was a better player,

725
00:34:56,400 --> 00:34:57,880
Speaker 1: it's hard to argue with them based on what we

726
00:34:57,920 --> 00:35:00,560
Speaker 1: saw this year. But you're right, and that's why one

727
00:35:00,560 --> 00:35:03,160
Speaker 1: thing the Giants could try to do again if they

728
00:35:03,200 --> 00:35:05,520
Speaker 1: decide that one of these quarterbacks this year isn't for them,

729
00:35:05,560 --> 00:35:07,240
Speaker 1: and I don't know what they're thinking in that regard,

730
00:35:07,560 --> 00:35:09,439
Speaker 1: and they know they have to find one next year,

731
00:35:09,719 --> 00:35:11,560
Speaker 1: what they could try to do in this year's draft

732
00:35:11,680 --> 00:35:15,480
Speaker 1: or with veteran players is move guys. Try to acquire

733
00:35:15,520 --> 00:35:18,839
Speaker 1: as much draft capital and as possible so you have

734
00:35:18,960 --> 00:35:21,400
Speaker 1: multiple picks where if you want to go do what

735
00:35:21,480 --> 00:35:23,839
Speaker 1: the Rams did to get golf or the Eagles did

736
00:35:23,880 --> 00:35:26,359
Speaker 1: to go get wins, you can do something like that.

737
00:35:26,400 --> 00:35:28,960
Speaker 1: So trading three or four picks to get into the

738
00:35:28,960 --> 00:35:32,640
Speaker 1: top five isn't going to kill you. So you're right,

739
00:35:32,680 --> 00:35:34,680
Speaker 1: that could be a problem. But that's why you have

740
00:35:34,760 --> 00:35:37,120
Speaker 1: to prepare in advance. And that's why maybe you trade

741
00:35:37,160 --> 00:35:39,360
Speaker 1: down and pick up extra picks, maybe you trade a

742
00:35:39,440 --> 00:35:42,560
Speaker 1: veteran player for however you want to do it. That's

743
00:35:42,560 --> 00:35:46,520
Speaker 1: how you accumulate the capital so that you control the draft.

744
00:35:46,800 --> 00:35:48,839
Speaker 1: For people use that expression before with the Browns when

745
00:35:48,880 --> 00:35:52,279
Speaker 1: they when under um uh Sashi Brown, they acquired all

746
00:35:52,320 --> 00:35:55,759
Speaker 1: those draft picks lands that they control the draft. That's

747
00:35:55,840 --> 00:35:57,960
Speaker 1: kind of what the Giants might have to do to

748
00:35:57,960 --> 00:36:01,320
Speaker 1: put themselves in position in if they decide one of

749
00:36:01,360 --> 00:36:04,040
Speaker 1: those guys, it is the next great thing. You collect

750
00:36:04,160 --> 00:36:07,200
Speaker 1: assets to then make a move later on. Correct, That's

751
00:36:07,200 --> 00:36:09,880
Speaker 1: exactly what Cleveland did, accumulated a boatload of picks and

752
00:36:09,920 --> 00:36:12,880
Speaker 1: then try to package it together to make some maneuvers

753
00:36:12,920 --> 00:36:14,799
Speaker 1: here and there is never an Antonio. If you're getting

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00:36:14,800 --> 00:36:17,200
Speaker 1: a franchise quarterback, there is never too big of a

755
00:36:17,280 --> 00:36:21,040
Speaker 1: price to pay. That's how important that position is. Right, Um,

756
00:36:21,239 --> 00:36:24,560
Speaker 1: Christ question this guy hasking some Ohio State's he a

757
00:36:24,640 --> 00:36:29,040
Speaker 1: first year starter, two year starter, first year starter? Okay, Um,

758
00:36:29,960 --> 00:36:33,480
Speaker 1: I guess that's not good enough. I don't know if

759
00:36:33,560 --> 00:36:37,440
Speaker 1: that yeah, and Antonio I wouldn't write him off just

760
00:36:37,480 --> 00:36:40,120
Speaker 1: because of that. I'm with Lance, look at his tape.

761
00:36:40,280 --> 00:36:41,880
Speaker 1: If you think he has the tape to be a

762
00:36:41,920 --> 00:36:44,600
Speaker 1: franchise quarterback, you pick him. If you don't, you don't

763
00:36:44,800 --> 00:36:47,120
Speaker 1: at six. You have to get a great player. And

764
00:36:47,160 --> 00:36:49,120
Speaker 1: if they don't think Haskins is a great player, they're

765
00:36:49,120 --> 00:36:51,200
Speaker 1: not gonna pick him. There. I mean, there's been there's

766
00:36:51,239 --> 00:36:55,160
Speaker 1: been to use a sports parallel. There are basketball players

767
00:36:55,160 --> 00:36:59,319
Speaker 1: that are in the NBA that started playing basketball in

768
00:36:59,400 --> 00:37:01,840
Speaker 1: high school or at the latter stages of high school

769
00:37:01,840 --> 00:37:03,600
Speaker 1: and then just developed later on in life. Had the

770
00:37:03,600 --> 00:37:06,120
Speaker 1: skill set, just never will put in a position to thrive.

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00:37:06,239 --> 00:37:09,000
Speaker 1: So I wouldn't read too much into how many years

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00:37:09,000 --> 00:37:12,120
Speaker 1: they were a starter and so forth. Okay, well, hopefully

773
00:37:12,160 --> 00:37:15,160
Speaker 1: the draft, because like I don't know, probably se backing

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Speaker 1: to the first round and then probably not drafting someone

775
00:37:19,160 --> 00:37:24,359
Speaker 1: like Dan Hills or Halfskins department in the lake first round. Well,

776
00:37:24,400 --> 00:37:26,240
Speaker 1: I don't know. If he's gonna fall, then look, here's

777
00:37:26,239 --> 00:37:28,759
Speaker 1: the thing. There will be a quarterback picked in the

778
00:37:28,800 --> 00:37:31,400
Speaker 1: top ten in this draft, because they're always is usually

779
00:37:31,800 --> 00:37:34,200
Speaker 1: whether or not two quarterbacks go in the top fifteen

780
00:37:34,280 --> 00:37:36,720
Speaker 1: or top twenty, I don't know. And here's the problem.

781
00:37:36,760 --> 00:37:39,160
Speaker 1: And this is something that Tatino has brought up a lot,

782
00:37:39,200 --> 00:37:41,040
Speaker 1: and I actually argue with him off the air about it,

783
00:37:41,040 --> 00:37:42,239
Speaker 1: but that was not here, so I could say whatever

784
00:37:42,280 --> 00:37:45,279
Speaker 1: I want. I know, people made a big deal about

785
00:37:45,320 --> 00:37:49,880
Speaker 1: the Giants accumulating all these draft picks. Yeah, it's great.

786
00:37:50,040 --> 00:37:51,880
Speaker 1: What do they have eleven picks? I think, and they're

787
00:37:51,920 --> 00:37:54,680
Speaker 1: projected to have a left basically have nine right based

788
00:37:54,680 --> 00:37:57,719
Speaker 1: on the compensatory correct Great, nine of them are on

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Speaker 1: Day three. You know, if you're sitting there with an

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Speaker 1: early third round pick or to trade down in the

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00:38:03,520 --> 00:38:07,040
Speaker 1: first round, I don't want to sound crash teams don't

792
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Speaker 1: give a darn about fifth round draft picks when you're

793
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Speaker 1: talking about moving up into the first round or early

794
00:38:11,640 --> 00:38:14,080
Speaker 1: third round picks. No, no no, you gotta trade twos and

795
00:38:14,160 --> 00:38:18,279
Speaker 1: threes and and early fours. That's your only chance. Yeah,

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00:38:18,320 --> 00:38:21,560
Speaker 1: they might be able to move up within the fifth, six,

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00:38:21,600 --> 00:38:24,399
Speaker 1: and seventh rounds. Like if you're picking let's say, let's

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Speaker 1: say you're picking in the compensatory part of the of

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Speaker 1: the fifth round, which is like the thirty five pick

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Speaker 1: in the round. Let's say, and you want to move

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Speaker 1: up to the fifteenth pick in the round, then yeah,

802
00:38:33,719 --> 00:38:35,640
Speaker 1: you can move fifth round picks or sixth round picks

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00:38:35,680 --> 00:38:38,160
Speaker 1: or seventh round picks to do that. Absolutely, But you're

804
00:38:38,160 --> 00:38:42,319
Speaker 1: not like, if you're picking six in the second round, right,

805
00:38:42,360 --> 00:38:44,480
Speaker 1: and you want to move up to the twenty second

806
00:38:44,520 --> 00:38:46,840
Speaker 1: pick in the first round, you could offer a team

807
00:38:47,160 --> 00:38:49,560
Speaker 1: all nine of your Day three picks. They're gonna tell

808
00:38:49,560 --> 00:38:51,799
Speaker 1: you to kick rocks. They don't care about that. They

809
00:38:51,840 --> 00:38:54,319
Speaker 1: want picks in the first two days of the draft.

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Speaker 1: The only way that I see the Giants making a

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Speaker 1: move like that in the first round is if you

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00:38:59,000 --> 00:39:02,080
Speaker 1: combine draft picks a player. John. That's that's really the

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00:39:02,120 --> 00:39:04,719
Speaker 1: only realistic way that they probably could do that. Or

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00:39:04,840 --> 00:39:06,239
Speaker 1: you know, I can see that maybe moving up even

815
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Speaker 1: in the fourth round with some of the assets they have.

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00:39:09,040 --> 00:39:12,680
Speaker 1: But yeah, the three, Yeah, and that to happen earlier.

817
00:39:12,760 --> 00:39:15,040
Speaker 1: Maybe you can move into the end of the third round.

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Speaker 1: If you trade your pick at the top of the

819
00:39:16,640 --> 00:39:19,040
Speaker 1: fourth round and add assets to that, you could do

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00:39:19,120 --> 00:39:22,480
Speaker 1: something like that. But moving back into getting a second

821
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Speaker 1: second round pick or moving into the top five in

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Speaker 1: the third round, I think that would be very, very

823
00:39:26,400 --> 00:39:29,680
Speaker 1: difficult given the fact um, given the draft picks the

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Speaker 1: Giants have at their disposals. That's just my opinion. Maybe

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00:39:31,960 --> 00:39:34,080
Speaker 1: I'll be wrong, but generally you don't see a lot

826
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Speaker 1: of Day three picks moved to move up on Day

827
00:39:36,440 --> 00:39:38,040
Speaker 1: one or two of the draft. You gotta trade real

828
00:39:38,080 --> 00:39:40,520
Speaker 1: assets for that. Yeah, I mean, that's basically it will

829
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Speaker 1: take two third round ers, a fourth round and a

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Speaker 1: fifth rounder. Just give us volume as opposed to substance.

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Speaker 1: Most teams are not gonna fall down, usually not Okay,

832
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Speaker 1: thank you guys. You got Antonio. That's been one thing.

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00:39:52,719 --> 00:39:54,799
Speaker 1: That's what've been I haven't been on in like more

834
00:39:54,800 --> 00:39:56,080
Speaker 1: than a week, so I've all these things that have

835
00:39:56,160 --> 00:39:58,000
Speaker 1: been boiling inside of me that I've been dying to

836
00:39:58,040 --> 00:39:59,760
Speaker 1: get out, and that was one of them. So thank you, Antonio.

837
00:39:59,760 --> 00:40:02,400
Speaker 1: I ship and I think that's a realistic take in

838
00:40:02,520 --> 00:40:05,040
Speaker 1: terms of listen, volume of picks is good, but also

839
00:40:05,080 --> 00:40:08,040
Speaker 1: in Cleveland's regard, which we were bringing up earlier, Cleveland

840
00:40:08,040 --> 00:40:10,200
Speaker 1: had much higher picks. Though they had a bunch of

841
00:40:10,200 --> 00:40:11,960
Speaker 1: picks in the first two days of the draft, they

842
00:40:12,200 --> 00:40:14,680
Speaker 1: didn't have a bunch of sixth and seventh rounders. And said,

843
00:40:14,719 --> 00:40:16,880
Speaker 1: you know, hey, let's put together a package of five picks,

844
00:40:16,960 --> 00:40:19,440
Speaker 1: John and try to convince the team five picks is

845
00:40:19,440 --> 00:40:21,000
Speaker 1: a lot so we'll be able to move up in

846
00:40:21,000 --> 00:40:23,279
Speaker 1: the first round as a result of that. It doesn't work.

847
00:40:23,400 --> 00:40:25,000
Speaker 1: A lot of gms have been around the block. They

848
00:40:25,000 --> 00:40:26,880
Speaker 1: don't fall for that. And the end, if you're at

849
00:40:26,960 --> 00:40:30,520
Speaker 1: pick ninety in the draft and your fifteen picks away

850
00:40:30,560 --> 00:40:33,040
Speaker 1: with your first fourth round pick, or however however the

851
00:40:33,040 --> 00:40:35,640
Speaker 1: math works out, then yeah, you can package your two

852
00:40:35,680 --> 00:40:37,600
Speaker 1: fours and a five to move back up into the

853
00:40:37,600 --> 00:40:40,440
Speaker 1: third shot that you can do, absolutely, but you're not

854
00:40:40,719 --> 00:40:42,839
Speaker 1: moving from the second round to the first round by

855
00:40:42,880 --> 00:40:45,839
Speaker 1: trading fourth and fifth round picks. It's not gonna happen

856
00:40:46,000 --> 00:40:49,600
Speaker 1: to five, one, three. And if anything, again, I would

857
00:40:49,640 --> 00:40:51,600
Speaker 1: consider trading down in this draft if you want to

858
00:40:51,600 --> 00:40:54,239
Speaker 1: try to acquire more future assets. I think that would

859
00:40:54,239 --> 00:40:56,399
Speaker 1: be really something to think about. Jeff and royd Island

860
00:40:56,400 --> 00:41:01,479
Speaker 1: is up next. Hey, Jeff? Great? What's right? Jeff? Good? Yeah?

861
00:41:01,520 --> 00:41:03,480
Speaker 1: You kind of I had a couple of questions for you,

862
00:41:03,640 --> 00:41:07,880
Speaker 1: kind of we're already answering one and we got to Haskins.

863
00:41:07,920 --> 00:41:13,200
Speaker 1: All right, Well, it was good talking. Presumed presumably this

864
00:41:13,280 --> 00:41:16,600
Speaker 1: is gonna be Eli's last year with the Giants, And

865
00:41:16,800 --> 00:41:20,399
Speaker 1: to me, I don't see Haskins as being having enough

866
00:41:20,520 --> 00:41:24,040
Speaker 1: value to be the sixth pick overall in the draft.

867
00:41:24,080 --> 00:41:26,160
Speaker 1: That's just the way I'm looking at it right now.

868
00:41:27,000 --> 00:41:29,880
Speaker 1: Uh So, probably one of my questions was, Okay, we

869
00:41:30,000 --> 00:41:33,319
Speaker 1: keep Eli is a starter of this year, which is

870
00:41:33,360 --> 00:41:36,560
Speaker 1: probably gonna happen. So where will we go next year

871
00:41:36,600 --> 00:41:41,680
Speaker 1: to get a quarterback? And number two? I was curious

872
00:41:41,760 --> 00:41:45,560
Speaker 1: as to what position you guys think that the Giants

873
00:41:45,560 --> 00:41:49,720
Speaker 1: should draft with their first pick in this coming draft,

874
00:41:49,920 --> 00:41:54,200
Speaker 1: not a player, just a position. Wise, if Jeff, if

875
00:41:54,239 --> 00:41:56,239
Speaker 1: they think one of those quarterbacks is worthy of that

876
00:41:56,280 --> 00:41:58,359
Speaker 1: pick in the franchise quarterback, go for it. I'm all

877
00:41:58,400 --> 00:42:00,680
Speaker 1: for it. But if you go by strange to the draft,

878
00:42:00,719 --> 00:42:02,400
Speaker 1: I think you're looking at a pass rusher or a

879
00:42:02,480 --> 00:42:05,520
Speaker 1: defensive lineman, and then maybe an offensive tackle. If you

880
00:42:05,600 --> 00:42:08,200
Speaker 1: realize Jonah Williams out of Kentucky or or a little

881
00:42:08,200 --> 00:42:10,560
Speaker 1: out of NC State, I think those are the pics

882
00:42:10,600 --> 00:42:12,759
Speaker 1: based on the depth of the draft lance that that

883
00:42:13,000 --> 00:42:14,560
Speaker 1: you would be looking at in that first round. Yeah.

884
00:42:14,560 --> 00:42:16,759
Speaker 1: I think the lack of sack production, the lack of

885
00:42:16,800 --> 00:42:19,680
Speaker 1: pressure throughout this season certainly calls for the Giants to

886
00:42:19,719 --> 00:42:23,080
Speaker 1: go after a pass rusher, whether it be an outside

887
00:42:23,080 --> 00:42:25,319
Speaker 1: linebacker or whether it be somebody on the defensive line.

888
00:42:25,360 --> 00:42:27,400
Speaker 1: If James Betcher wants to mix and match and the

889
00:42:27,520 --> 00:42:29,800
Speaker 1: right side of the offensive line, I still think is

890
00:42:29,800 --> 00:42:31,880
Speaker 1: an area that they can improve. So if there's a

891
00:42:31,960 --> 00:42:34,960
Speaker 1: right tackle that's worthy of taking, then I think that

892
00:42:35,000 --> 00:42:37,560
Speaker 1: makes sense. Also, you know, versatility to me is important,

893
00:42:37,560 --> 00:42:39,040
Speaker 1: So if it's a right tackle that has the ability

894
00:42:39,080 --> 00:42:40,880
Speaker 1: to move over to left and the pinch, you know

895
00:42:40,920 --> 00:42:43,120
Speaker 1: that makes that player even more attractive. Those to me

896
00:42:43,160 --> 00:42:46,719
Speaker 1: are the top priorities from a positional standpoint, Jeff, as

897
00:42:46,760 --> 00:42:49,680
Speaker 1: you ask, and I think that's the director to do that.

898
00:42:49,840 --> 00:42:51,960
Speaker 1: But as it stands right now, it seems to me

899
00:42:52,040 --> 00:42:54,160
Speaker 1: that the defense needs a little more work than your

900
00:42:54,200 --> 00:42:57,319
Speaker 1: offense does. And I agree with right now, Right now,

901
00:42:57,360 --> 00:43:01,960
Speaker 1: I'd be gone with the pest. You know the best? Well, Da,

902
00:43:02,360 --> 00:43:06,279
Speaker 1: thank you, Jeff, appreciate. Dave Gentleman YouTube. Dave Gentleman's gonna

903
00:43:06,320 --> 00:43:09,359
Speaker 1: go with the best player available. He reiterated that um again,

904
00:43:09,400 --> 00:43:12,600
Speaker 1: he thinks position value is hogwash. He wants great football players.

905
00:43:12,640 --> 00:43:14,520
Speaker 1: He doesn't care where they play. You can agree or

906
00:43:14,560 --> 00:43:16,000
Speaker 1: disagree with him, but that's how we think, and that's

907
00:43:16,040 --> 00:43:17,680
Speaker 1: what the Giants are gonna do. But if you get

908
00:43:17,719 --> 00:43:20,760
Speaker 1: his draft history, you could tell he likes picking defensive lineman.

909
00:43:20,920 --> 00:43:23,520
Speaker 1: And this is a defensive line draft. Now. They already

910
00:43:23,520 --> 00:43:26,520
Speaker 1: have b. J. Hill and Dalvin Thominson inside, so I

911
00:43:26,520 --> 00:43:28,120
Speaker 1: don't think they'll go out of their way to drafting

912
00:43:28,160 --> 00:43:30,640
Speaker 1: that the defensive tackle. Though. Dave gave the example of

913
00:43:30,640 --> 00:43:32,799
Speaker 1: in Caroline when he drafted like three defensive tackles in

914
00:43:32,800 --> 00:43:34,360
Speaker 1: a row one year. Yeah, he did that. I wouldn't

915
00:43:34,360 --> 00:43:36,320
Speaker 1: take anything out of at a possibility there, but I

916
00:43:36,360 --> 00:43:38,359
Speaker 1: think they'll have an opportunity to draft a very good

917
00:43:38,400 --> 00:43:40,920
Speaker 1: pass rusher when they pick six. Well, because one of

918
00:43:40,960 --> 00:43:43,200
Speaker 1: the things Dave Getleman brought up, and you know, we've

919
00:43:43,200 --> 00:43:45,560
Speaker 1: seen that within the division, you just never know when

920
00:43:45,560 --> 00:43:48,239
Speaker 1: injuries are gonna strike john. So that's why you can

921
00:43:48,280 --> 00:43:51,200
Speaker 1: never have enough stock and substance at a specific position

922
00:43:51,280 --> 00:43:53,360
Speaker 1: because you go into a season thinking, hey, these are

923
00:43:53,360 --> 00:43:55,480
Speaker 1: gonna be the eleven guys are gonna play all sixteen games.

924
00:43:55,480 --> 00:43:57,959
Speaker 1: It's just not gonna happen. It's an unrealistic game plan.

925
00:43:58,040 --> 00:44:00,560
Speaker 1: And the Giants they lost the number of keep playmakers.

926
00:44:00,719 --> 00:44:03,480
Speaker 1: You lost Landon Collins Agaend, you lost Odell Beckham. If

927
00:44:03,560 --> 00:44:05,640
Speaker 1: you don't have another good safety, you don't have another

928
00:44:05,680 --> 00:44:08,479
Speaker 1: reliable wide receiver, there's gonna be a downgrade in terms

929
00:44:08,520 --> 00:44:11,680
Speaker 1: of the production. So the teams that have depth are

930
00:44:11,760 --> 00:44:13,680
Speaker 1: the teams that go the furthest in this league and

931
00:44:13,680 --> 00:44:15,480
Speaker 1: the teams that get to the playoffs. I just talked

932
00:44:15,480 --> 00:44:18,560
Speaker 1: about the Colts and the offensive line injuries they had, Well,

933
00:44:19,040 --> 00:44:20,760
Speaker 1: that's why they were able to put in the rookies

934
00:44:20,760 --> 00:44:23,799
Speaker 1: who they drafted high and those guys produced. And you

935
00:44:23,800 --> 00:44:25,640
Speaker 1: could pick out a few other teams. How about the

936
00:44:25,640 --> 00:44:28,239
Speaker 1: Philadelphi Eagles within the NFC East Division. This is the

937
00:44:28,280 --> 00:44:31,200
Speaker 1: second straight year John everybody talked about last year, how

938
00:44:31,200 --> 00:44:33,600
Speaker 1: they overcame so many injuries, and think about the guys

939
00:44:33,640 --> 00:44:35,400
Speaker 1: they lost this year to in the secondary. I mean,

940
00:44:35,440 --> 00:44:38,840
Speaker 1: they're bringing in Cravon LeBlanc, who is John's favorite player.

941
00:44:38,840 --> 00:44:41,399
Speaker 1: He's not not willing to admit it on the air here.

942
00:44:41,560 --> 00:44:44,120
Speaker 1: You know, he's now the starting cornerback. And you know

943
00:44:44,280 --> 00:44:48,240
Speaker 1: Vante Maddox, who's a safety in a corner. Young, unproven guys.

944
00:44:48,280 --> 00:44:50,240
Speaker 1: I know le Blanc is more of a veteran Douglas,

945
00:44:51,800 --> 00:44:54,000
Speaker 1: you know, but these guys are producing when they need

946
00:44:54,000 --> 00:44:56,000
Speaker 1: them to. Le Blanc made a number of plays against

947
00:44:56,000 --> 00:44:58,439
Speaker 1: his former team, the Bears. You need that or else

948
00:44:59,000 --> 00:45:00,719
Speaker 1: you're not getting to the play else or it's gonna

949
00:45:00,719 --> 00:45:02,600
Speaker 1: be one and done in the postseason. We've seen that

950
00:45:02,680 --> 00:45:04,680
Speaker 1: time and time again. If you're a good player, you'll

951
00:45:04,719 --> 00:45:06,520
Speaker 1: find the way to get on the field no matter

952
00:45:06,560 --> 00:45:08,359
Speaker 1: where they pick him. So I think that's how Dave

953
00:45:08,400 --> 00:45:10,279
Speaker 1: get him and looks at it. He also asked about

954
00:45:10,320 --> 00:45:12,600
Speaker 1: the quarterback deal. I'm sure you and Paul talked about

955
00:45:12,600 --> 00:45:14,000
Speaker 1: that a lot of that nausey in the last couple

956
00:45:14,000 --> 00:45:15,400
Speaker 1: of days. So I'll just don't my thing out there

957
00:45:15,440 --> 00:45:18,160
Speaker 1: real quick again. The Eli Manning decision is not one

958
00:45:18,640 --> 00:45:21,920
Speaker 1: that's made in a vacuum. Okay, that's the problem. A

959
00:45:21,960 --> 00:45:23,640
Speaker 1: lot of people just want to say, oh, I'm done

960
00:45:23,640 --> 00:45:25,600
Speaker 1: with Eli, let's get rid of him. Well, who's next?

961
00:45:26,160 --> 00:45:28,239
Speaker 1: You know, it's not just get rid of Eli that

962
00:45:28,760 --> 00:45:31,800
Speaker 1: there's a then what to you know to the equation.

963
00:45:31,800 --> 00:45:34,640
Speaker 1: And I'm sure aside from looking at Eli's tape which

964
00:45:34,680 --> 00:45:37,040
Speaker 1: day givenment and said, I'm sure he's also evaluating what

965
00:45:37,080 --> 00:45:39,719
Speaker 1: their other options are. You know, you can't just say

966
00:45:39,719 --> 00:45:41,319
Speaker 1: get rid of Eli and then we'll figure it out.

967
00:45:41,600 --> 00:45:44,920
Speaker 1: That's it. That's irresponsible, and it's frankly, it's stupid. No one.

968
00:45:45,000 --> 00:45:48,240
Speaker 1: No one's gonna say that. So what are your options?

969
00:45:48,280 --> 00:45:49,680
Speaker 1: Do you like? One of these guys in the draft.

970
00:45:49,680 --> 00:45:52,400
Speaker 1: I'm sure he's gonna get reports from you know, Chris Pettit,

971
00:45:52,480 --> 00:45:54,200
Speaker 1: his director of college Scouting, and the rest of the

972
00:45:54,520 --> 00:45:57,520
Speaker 1: Giant Scouting department. Here on uh the kid out of

973
00:45:57,600 --> 00:46:04,759
Speaker 1: Duke Lock Paskins and one of these guys, yeah, you know,

974
00:46:04,880 --> 00:46:07,879
Speaker 1: go go through the names. Are one of those guys

975
00:46:07,920 --> 00:46:11,480
Speaker 1: a real option? Maybe? Okay, well then maybe maybe we

976
00:46:11,480 --> 00:46:13,759
Speaker 1: can make a move. Or are none of those guys

977
00:46:13,800 --> 00:46:15,400
Speaker 1: even ready to play right away? So even if you

978
00:46:15,400 --> 00:46:16,799
Speaker 1: want to draft one of those guys, do you want

979
00:46:16,800 --> 00:46:18,759
Speaker 1: to eli here to nurture them? That's another thing you

980
00:46:18,800 --> 00:46:21,480
Speaker 1: gotta consider. Or is there a veteran people like, what

981
00:46:21,520 --> 00:46:23,799
Speaker 1: are the Eagles going to do with their quarterback situation?

982
00:46:24,160 --> 00:46:26,600
Speaker 1: And the longer they go on the playoffs, the tougher

983
00:46:26,640 --> 00:46:28,120
Speaker 1: it's gonna be to figure out what they are going

984
00:46:28,160 --> 00:46:30,760
Speaker 1: to do. Are they gonna try to keep Nick Foles around?

985
00:46:31,080 --> 00:46:32,920
Speaker 1: They have a twenty million dollar option on him. Do

986
00:46:33,000 --> 00:46:36,080
Speaker 1: they try to trade Nick Foles? I imagine they'll try

987
00:46:36,080 --> 00:46:37,480
Speaker 1: to get something for the guy right then, just let

988
00:46:37,560 --> 00:46:40,799
Speaker 1: them go? Right? You gotta figure why would you or

989
00:46:40,840 --> 00:46:43,279
Speaker 1: do you do they? God forbid? Could you imagine if

990
00:46:43,280 --> 00:46:46,279
Speaker 1: they try to trade Carson Wentz? Well, I don't see

991
00:46:46,320 --> 00:46:49,160
Speaker 1: that happen. I think it's silly, but considering people are

992
00:46:49,160 --> 00:46:51,600
Speaker 1: calling Nick Foles the best big game quarterback in NFL history,

993
00:46:51,800 --> 00:46:54,120
Speaker 1: I throw anything out there as a and I'm with you,

994
00:46:54,160 --> 00:46:56,400
Speaker 1: and I know a lot of speculation. I actually I

995
00:46:56,440 --> 00:46:58,640
Speaker 1: did a show with Bill Polian last night on Serious.

996
00:46:58,640 --> 00:47:00,759
Speaker 1: We had a big conversation about this. John he he

997
00:47:00,800 --> 00:47:03,680
Speaker 1: put up with you for four hours. Unfortunate boy. The

998
00:47:03,719 --> 00:47:06,080
Speaker 1: decision making that goes on outside of the Giants organization

999
00:47:06,200 --> 00:47:08,279
Speaker 1: needs a lot to be desired. I'm with you, and

1000
00:47:08,440 --> 00:47:10,720
Speaker 1: I asked the point blanket. He said, from the people

1001
00:47:10,800 --> 00:47:14,200
Speaker 1: that he's spoken to in the Philadelphia organization, they are

1002
00:47:14,239 --> 00:47:16,760
Speaker 1: still very high on Carson Wentz. They he's the future

1003
00:47:16,800 --> 00:47:19,759
Speaker 1: of the organization. They just want to make sure that

1004
00:47:19,800 --> 00:47:23,440
Speaker 1: he's well rested and fully healthy, and they're confident that

1005
00:47:23,520 --> 00:47:25,480
Speaker 1: his back injury is not gonna linger with rest, it

1006
00:47:25,520 --> 00:47:27,319
Speaker 1: will take care of itself. He'll be ready to go

1007
00:47:27,360 --> 00:47:30,239
Speaker 1: week one. So all this speculation about them moving him,

1008
00:47:30,480 --> 00:47:32,839
Speaker 1: I don't think has much substance behind that. However, I

1009
00:47:32,880 --> 00:47:36,120
Speaker 1: did throw out what I've thrown out on this program,

1010
00:47:36,239 --> 00:47:40,520
Speaker 1: and you just hinted at it. What about Nick foles

1011
00:47:40,600 --> 00:47:44,000
Speaker 1: comfort in Philadelphia? Who's to say that he wants to

1012
00:47:44,080 --> 00:47:46,080
Speaker 1: pursue the free agent market? See that's where I don't

1013
00:47:46,080 --> 00:47:48,879
Speaker 1: think a lot of people are thinking Nick Foles has

1014
00:47:48,880 --> 00:47:51,239
Speaker 1: ties to Doug Peterson. Going back to Kansas City. He's

1015
00:47:51,360 --> 00:47:54,440
Speaker 1: basically thriving in Philadelphia as a result of the Wentz's injuries.

1016
00:47:54,640 --> 00:47:56,239
Speaker 1: He has an opportunity to maybe take this team to

1017
00:47:56,360 --> 00:47:58,919
Speaker 1: back to back deep postseason runs. Maybe at this point

1018
00:47:58,960 --> 00:48:01,280
Speaker 1: in his career. John he said, while the money's great,

1019
00:48:01,800 --> 00:48:04,880
Speaker 1: I also know where my bread is buttered, and I

1020
00:48:04,960 --> 00:48:08,120
Speaker 1: know that I'm thriving here. Maybe he's willing to stay.

1021
00:48:08,360 --> 00:48:11,239
Speaker 1: He hasn't made a ton of money though, and he

1022
00:48:11,320 --> 00:48:13,879
Speaker 1: can get a big pay day. I get where you're

1023
00:48:13,920 --> 00:48:18,359
Speaker 1: coming from, but boy, I mean, anyway, we don't want

1024
00:48:18,360 --> 00:48:21,040
Speaker 1: to spend time. But I think these are all things,

1025
00:48:22,280 --> 00:48:25,040
Speaker 1: certainly the players the team has to think about. But

1026
00:48:25,440 --> 00:48:27,879
Speaker 1: Wentz is not being traded in my mind, and neither

1027
00:48:28,120 --> 00:48:31,719
Speaker 1: neither though I was throwing out there just as um.

1028
00:48:31,800 --> 00:48:34,600
Speaker 1: That's the unknown though. You know, do they like Nick

1029
00:48:34,640 --> 00:48:37,160
Speaker 1: Foles even here? What is Pat Schremer's relationship with him

1030
00:48:37,160 --> 00:48:39,200
Speaker 1: from his time there in Philadelphia, from when he was

1031
00:48:39,239 --> 00:48:41,520
Speaker 1: there with Chip Kelly. You know, these are all questions,

1032
00:48:41,600 --> 00:48:43,920
Speaker 1: and before that, these are all questions I don't know

1033
00:48:43,960 --> 00:48:45,879
Speaker 1: the answer to. What do they What is Shermer think

1034
00:48:45,880 --> 00:48:48,040
Speaker 1: of Teddy Bridgewater or we had in Minnesota. I don't

1035
00:48:48,040 --> 00:48:50,720
Speaker 1: know the answer to that question. Obviously, he speaks highly

1036
00:48:50,719 --> 00:48:52,799
Speaker 1: of these guys, but Patremer's never going to go out

1037
00:48:52,840 --> 00:48:55,320
Speaker 1: there and say anything negative about a former player publicly,

1038
00:48:55,360 --> 00:48:57,640
Speaker 1: So I don't know how they think of these veterans

1039
00:48:57,640 --> 00:49:00,480
Speaker 1: that are out there so until they evaluate that market

1040
00:49:00,520 --> 00:49:02,960
Speaker 1: and decide if there's a better option. Look, Eli is

1041
00:49:02,960 --> 00:49:04,120
Speaker 1: what he is at this point. We know what he

1042
00:49:04,200 --> 00:49:06,120
Speaker 1: liken do, we know what he can't do, and we

1043
00:49:06,160 --> 00:49:07,680
Speaker 1: know what he's good at. We know what has to

1044
00:49:07,680 --> 00:49:10,160
Speaker 1: be around him for him to succeed. He's not a

1045
00:49:10,160 --> 00:49:13,120
Speaker 1: perfect player. But is there a better player out there

1046
00:49:13,440 --> 00:49:16,880
Speaker 1: that makes sense in the marketplace financially with how the

1047
00:49:16,960 --> 00:49:19,279
Speaker 1: roster is built to bring here to replace him? I

1048
00:49:19,280 --> 00:49:21,000
Speaker 1: don't know if there is. Yeah, you have to have

1049
00:49:21,080 --> 00:49:23,759
Speaker 1: plan be ready before you're ready to move on from

1050
00:49:23,880 --> 00:49:26,120
Speaker 1: option eight. But but here's the other thing that to

1051
00:49:26,239 --> 00:49:30,640
Speaker 1: me is interesting, and Gettleman says, listen, it's a collaborative effort.

1052
00:49:30,760 --> 00:49:33,200
Speaker 1: He always wants him put from his coaches. What I

1053
00:49:33,239 --> 00:49:35,960
Speaker 1: think is interesting about this year's potential free agent class

1054
00:49:36,040 --> 00:49:38,920
Speaker 1: Johnny's Pat Shermer has had experience with both of those

1055
00:49:38,960 --> 00:49:41,319
Speaker 1: quarterbacks we just threw out, and that's rare you know,

1056
00:49:41,400 --> 00:49:45,200
Speaker 1: normally you hear about a guy Shermer may have, you know,

1057
00:49:45,280 --> 00:49:48,439
Speaker 1: worked with the coach who worked with Folds. Sherman's got

1058
00:49:48,480 --> 00:49:52,480
Speaker 1: direct interaction with both Foles and Bridgewater as well as Eli,

1059
00:49:52,600 --> 00:49:55,520
Speaker 1: and he watched Bridgewater go through a horrific injury exactly.

1060
00:49:55,719 --> 00:49:58,879
Speaker 1: So when Gettleman sits down and talks to Shermer about

1061
00:49:58,920 --> 00:50:01,600
Speaker 1: their offseason plan, which I'm sure they're assessing now, and

1062
00:50:02,280 --> 00:50:04,200
Speaker 1: you know he'll ask him, Listen, you were with Teddy,

1063
00:50:04,239 --> 00:50:06,160
Speaker 1: you were with Nick. What do you think of them?

1064
00:50:06,360 --> 00:50:08,520
Speaker 1: What do you think they're upside is based on the

1065
00:50:08,560 --> 00:50:11,359
Speaker 1: offense that you guys have implemented. Do you think that

1066
00:50:11,400 --> 00:50:14,160
Speaker 1: they can thrive with the personnel so that I think

1067
00:50:14,480 --> 00:50:17,800
Speaker 1: brings even more in depth analysis to the table. John,

1068
00:50:18,000 --> 00:50:20,560
Speaker 1: then maybe if you don't have nearly as much experience

1069
00:50:20,600 --> 00:50:22,719
Speaker 1: with those guys. Yeah, And look, I think the other

1070
00:50:22,719 --> 00:50:28,000
Speaker 1: thing I look at too, We've seen Philly structure their

1071
00:50:28,120 --> 00:50:31,600
Speaker 1: whole system and change their offense to help Nick Foles

1072
00:50:31,640 --> 00:50:35,040
Speaker 1: succeed the way Pat chumber On somewhere on his offense.

1073
00:50:35,040 --> 00:50:37,560
Speaker 1: Does Nick Foles fit into that? Can he succeed in

1074
00:50:37,560 --> 00:50:40,520
Speaker 1: that situation? What does he think about that? I don't know,

1075
00:50:41,200 --> 00:50:42,560
Speaker 1: and that's something that they're gonna have to talk about

1076
00:50:42,560 --> 00:50:44,600
Speaker 1: and figure out well. And that's why before we move on,

1077
00:50:44,680 --> 00:50:47,919
Speaker 1: That's why if I'm Folds, I'm thinking hard. Am I

1078
00:50:48,000 --> 00:50:50,719
Speaker 1: thriving because of what Philadelphia has done for me and

1079
00:50:50,760 --> 00:50:53,719
Speaker 1: the system John? Whereas if I leave, remember he went

1080
00:50:53,760 --> 00:50:56,880
Speaker 1: to the Rams, he wasn't doing anything as effective as

1081
00:50:56,920 --> 00:50:59,120
Speaker 1: what he did in his first thing did Philadelphia. So

1082
00:50:59,200 --> 00:51:00,680
Speaker 1: you know, those are the things that I've got to

1083
00:51:00,719 --> 00:51:02,640
Speaker 1: think about with Folds. And I granted you you bring

1084
00:51:02,719 --> 00:51:05,280
Speaker 1: up a great point. The money is unbelievable and maybe

1085
00:51:05,280 --> 00:51:07,760
Speaker 1: more than he's ever made. But at the same time,

1086
00:51:08,080 --> 00:51:10,360
Speaker 1: do you have an opportunity to continue your career, have

1087
00:51:10,440 --> 00:51:14,560
Speaker 1: it long lasting and a legitimate start opportunity? In case

1088
00:51:14,640 --> 00:51:16,359
Speaker 1: Went says, let's say not ready to go week one,

1089
00:51:16,400 --> 00:51:18,360
Speaker 1: And he's only twenty nine too, so he know he

1090
00:51:18,360 --> 00:51:20,520
Speaker 1: can still put roots down somewhere and spend a long

1091
00:51:20,520 --> 00:51:22,759
Speaker 1: time there. But it'll be an interesting decision for all

1092
00:51:22,800 --> 00:51:24,800
Speaker 1: parties involved. Back to the phones, Mel and d C

1093
00:51:25,040 --> 00:51:28,520
Speaker 1: online too. What's up Mel? How you going doing great? Mail?

1094
00:51:28,560 --> 00:51:31,279
Speaker 1: What's going on? UM? I want to say one thing

1095
00:51:31,360 --> 00:51:33,000
Speaker 1: Number ten is gonna be on the center for two

1096
00:51:33,040 --> 00:51:36,719
Speaker 1: thousand nineteen. Let's get that out the way. Um. There's

1097
00:51:36,719 --> 00:51:38,399
Speaker 1: a lot of people out there talking to a bunch

1098
00:51:38,440 --> 00:51:41,080
Speaker 1: of nonsense about we need a running quarterback, we need this,

1099
00:51:41,239 --> 00:51:44,200
Speaker 1: we need that, We don't we need alive man in. Um,

1100
00:51:44,200 --> 00:51:46,080
Speaker 1: he's not a quarterback that's gonna go out there and

1101
00:51:46,080 --> 00:51:48,480
Speaker 1: put up fifty points. So they're looking at Pat Mahomes

1102
00:51:48,480 --> 00:51:51,799
Speaker 1: and all this. Let's just get that out um. And

1103
00:51:51,840 --> 00:51:53,279
Speaker 1: by the way, mal I want to throw this out

1104
00:51:53,320 --> 00:51:55,680
Speaker 1: there real quick. Look at the quarterbacks that one last week.

1105
00:51:55,760 --> 00:51:57,800
Speaker 1: They all have something in common and they're all pretty

1106
00:51:57,840 --> 00:52:01,120
Speaker 1: much poka passers, just putting out back. Yeah, like DeShawn

1107
00:52:01,160 --> 00:52:03,600
Speaker 1: Watson and Lamar Jackson both out of the players, Russe

1108
00:52:03,640 --> 00:52:05,319
Speaker 1: Wilson out of the playoffs. And by the way, he's

1109
00:52:05,520 --> 00:52:07,840
Speaker 1: also a good pockets roor Dak Prescott's the one exception

1110
00:52:07,880 --> 00:52:10,160
Speaker 1: to that role. But the other guys all guys that

1111
00:52:10,239 --> 00:52:12,080
Speaker 1: want to throw out of the pocket, and Watson and

1112
00:52:12,160 --> 00:52:17,160
Speaker 1: Jackson were sacked ten times combined in last weekend's games. Um,

1113
00:52:17,200 --> 00:52:19,600
Speaker 1: I want to talk about the draft. UM, I think

1114
00:52:19,640 --> 00:52:22,840
Speaker 1: that that the number six pick Josh Allen Um Alvin

1115
00:52:22,920 --> 00:52:28,400
Speaker 1: Adam Kentucky is our is our guy. UMM, he has that,

1116
00:52:28,520 --> 00:52:31,400
Speaker 1: he has the traits, he has it to turn around

1117
00:52:31,400 --> 00:52:34,799
Speaker 1: and be a great dynamic player. UM. Going on, I

1118
00:52:34,840 --> 00:52:36,640
Speaker 1: want to also, I think we need to take a

1119
00:52:36,680 --> 00:52:39,520
Speaker 1: good look at Dakota Allen out of Texas Tech. He's

1120
00:52:39,560 --> 00:52:42,879
Speaker 1: a great cover linebacker, UM, tight ends and running backs

1121
00:52:42,880 --> 00:52:44,840
Speaker 1: out the bout back to It has been our Achilles

1122
00:52:44,920 --> 00:52:47,480
Speaker 1: hill for too long. We need to really address that

1123
00:52:47,600 --> 00:52:50,480
Speaker 1: this year and hopefully going from there that it helped

1124
00:52:50,480 --> 00:52:52,399
Speaker 1: the defense will get some things on it. We can

1125
00:52:52,440 --> 00:52:55,560
Speaker 1: put that fifth Lombardi Trophy up in the closet. Awesome, Mel,

1126
00:52:55,719 --> 00:52:59,360
Speaker 1: thank you, buddy. Alright, Yeah, I gotta amit. I'm not

1127
00:52:59,440 --> 00:53:01,360
Speaker 1: that familiar with the code down. I'm not. I've not

1128
00:53:01,440 --> 00:53:03,160
Speaker 1: done my work on that yet and on any of

1129
00:53:03,160 --> 00:53:05,480
Speaker 1: my draft work. Really. That starts next week as we

1130
00:53:05,520 --> 00:53:07,400
Speaker 1: try to get all these inside the filming rooms, as

1131
00:53:07,400 --> 00:53:09,920
Speaker 1: we review the eighteen season out of the way. UM.

1132
00:53:09,960 --> 00:53:11,719
Speaker 1: I have my list of guys at the Senior Bowl,

1133
00:53:11,760 --> 00:53:13,839
Speaker 1: and Josh Allen is one of the guys that are

1134
00:53:13,840 --> 00:53:15,560
Speaker 1: going to be at the Senior Bowl, which is exciting.

1135
00:53:15,960 --> 00:53:18,719
Speaker 1: Montez sweats another guy to big time pass rushers that

1136
00:53:18,719 --> 00:53:20,200
Speaker 1: I'll get an up close look at I look forward

1137
00:53:20,239 --> 00:53:23,520
Speaker 1: to giving you and Paul the reports next week from

1138
00:53:23,520 --> 00:53:25,960
Speaker 1: Mobile on Tuesday, Wednesday, and Thursday will be a practice

1139
00:53:26,000 --> 00:53:27,680
Speaker 1: for all three guys that that should be fun. I'm

1140
00:53:27,680 --> 00:53:29,279
Speaker 1: looking forward to remember I found you guys well, hern

1141
00:53:29,360 --> 00:53:31,560
Speaker 1: Endez last year. I will try to find you somebody

1142
00:53:31,560 --> 00:53:34,000
Speaker 1: this year again. The unsung heroes of the Senior Bowl.

1143
00:53:34,440 --> 00:53:37,359
Speaker 1: Absolutely well, this is the time of the year where

1144
00:53:37,360 --> 00:53:39,920
Speaker 1: the Giants are gonna be focusing on who potentially to

1145
00:53:39,960 --> 00:53:41,920
Speaker 1: target in the draft. And Lance loves his draft talk,

1146
00:53:42,040 --> 00:53:44,399
Speaker 1: So I absolutely love this draft talk. Yes, can't get

1147
00:53:44,480 --> 00:53:46,680
Speaker 1: enough of it. Loved the speculation for the next four months,

1148
00:53:46,800 --> 00:53:49,120
Speaker 1: especially this early lay out, all the hypothetical as well.

1149
00:53:49,200 --> 00:53:51,760
Speaker 1: You know, it's just it's so early in the process

1150
00:53:52,480 --> 00:53:55,880
Speaker 1: that for people to come to conclusions about players and

1151
00:53:55,880 --> 00:53:58,919
Speaker 1: where they're gonna go, and the draft order is likely

1152
00:53:58,920 --> 00:54:00,800
Speaker 1: gonna change, John to is are gonna happen that we

1153
00:54:00,880 --> 00:54:05,120
Speaker 1: trades have never anticipated. It's one thing to me, it's

1154
00:54:05,160 --> 00:54:08,880
Speaker 1: better to focus on players and their potential than where

1155
00:54:08,920 --> 00:54:11,560
Speaker 1: they're going to eventually end up. That's how I like

1156
00:54:11,680 --> 00:54:13,920
Speaker 1: to go about the draft evaluation. So for example, where

1157
00:54:13,960 --> 00:54:15,879
Speaker 1: we're talking about quarterbacks, last year, it was a matter

1158
00:54:15,880 --> 00:54:17,839
Speaker 1: of who am I high on? Who do I think

1159
00:54:17,880 --> 00:54:20,440
Speaker 1: has the opportunity to succeed no matter what team they

1160
00:54:20,480 --> 00:54:23,320
Speaker 1: go to. That's how I look at players, as opposed

1161
00:54:23,360 --> 00:54:26,680
Speaker 1: to he's gotta go here or else, all hell is

1162
00:54:26,719 --> 00:54:28,680
Speaker 1: gonna break. Now you have to follow college football a

1163
00:54:28,680 --> 00:54:30,839
Speaker 1: lot more closely than I do for your serious gig

1164
00:54:30,880 --> 00:54:33,680
Speaker 1: when you do Mad Dog Radio. What what's your take

1165
00:54:33,719 --> 00:54:35,719
Speaker 1: on Haskins from watching him this year? Because I've I've

1166
00:54:35,719 --> 00:54:37,480
Speaker 1: watched him play like two quarters of football, so I

1167
00:54:37,600 --> 00:54:39,879
Speaker 1: literally don't have any opinion. What do you think? Well,

1168
00:54:39,920 --> 00:54:43,279
Speaker 1: I will say this about Haskins compared to some of

1169
00:54:43,280 --> 00:54:45,440
Speaker 1: the other quarterbacks in recent history that have been at

1170
00:54:45,440 --> 00:54:48,600
Speaker 1: Ohio State, and they've tended to be mobile guys that

1171
00:54:48,640 --> 00:54:52,400
Speaker 1: are not necessarily pure pocket passers. Haskins is the best

1172
00:54:53,040 --> 00:54:56,080
Speaker 1: resemblance of a pocket passer in my opinion, thank you.

1173
00:54:56,120 --> 00:54:58,160
Speaker 1: I've heard people call him a mobile quarterback, but I

1174
00:54:58,200 --> 00:55:00,480
Speaker 1: watched him play in the Roles Bond him like this

1175
00:55:00,600 --> 00:55:03,399
Speaker 1: kite isn't mobile at all. No, not well, And that's

1176
00:55:03,400 --> 00:55:05,719
Speaker 1: why I think that that's an important notation to make

1177
00:55:05,719 --> 00:55:09,200
Speaker 1: because like JT. Barrett, for example, who was Ohio State.

1178
00:55:09,280 --> 00:55:10,839
Speaker 1: J T. Barrett was a guy that I mean, they

1179
00:55:10,840 --> 00:55:12,919
Speaker 1: would unleash out of the pocket and the guy could

1180
00:55:13,000 --> 00:55:16,000
Speaker 1: run and run and run. Haskins is not like that.

1181
00:55:16,040 --> 00:55:18,080
Speaker 1: To me. Haskins, you put him in the pocket, guy's

1182
00:55:18,120 --> 00:55:21,759
Speaker 1: gonna serve. They feel he's gonna throw. So that's what's

1183
00:55:21,800 --> 00:55:23,600
Speaker 1: refreshing now. In fairness, I want to go back and

1184
00:55:23,600 --> 00:55:26,480
Speaker 1: watch a little bit more film on him and some highlights,

1185
00:55:26,560 --> 00:55:28,840
Speaker 1: because why I did follow Ohio State and didn't have

1186
00:55:28,840 --> 00:55:30,640
Speaker 1: an opportunity to watch, just like I don't have an

1187
00:55:30,640 --> 00:55:32,839
Speaker 1: opportunity watch every single college is closely as it would

1188
00:55:32,920 --> 00:55:34,560
Speaker 1: like you're looking at it more from a big picture,

1189
00:55:34,600 --> 00:55:38,440
Speaker 1: generic perspective. But that's what's intriguing to me about Haskins

1190
00:55:38,480 --> 00:55:41,680
Speaker 1: John compared to other Ohio State quarterbacks that I was like, Okay,

1191
00:55:41,719 --> 00:55:43,239
Speaker 1: you know they're putting points on the board, but I

1192
00:55:43,239 --> 00:55:46,480
Speaker 1: don't know necessarily if their franchise quarterbacks. He to me

1193
00:55:46,760 --> 00:55:50,520
Speaker 1: is at least worthy of having that conversation. However, is

1194
00:55:50,560 --> 00:55:53,960
Speaker 1: he as impressive to me as a Baker Mayfield or

1195
00:55:54,000 --> 00:55:57,000
Speaker 1: even a Kyler Murray out of Oklahoma? And there's no

1196
00:55:57,040 --> 00:55:59,680
Speaker 1: guarantee that Murray's gonna come out. I don't know if

1197
00:55:59,719 --> 00:56:02,680
Speaker 1: I go to that degree. Okay, okay, I would say

1198
00:56:02,800 --> 00:56:06,719
Speaker 1: a tad below, But dance Almo tells me he's the

1199
00:56:06,719 --> 00:56:09,359
Speaker 1: best quarterback in the history of college football. Well, that's

1200
00:56:09,400 --> 00:56:12,040
Speaker 1: coming from a true Buckeyes fan, So that we have

1201
00:56:12,160 --> 00:56:20,120
Speaker 1: to understand where the messenger resides from behind a well,

1202
00:56:20,360 --> 00:56:22,040
Speaker 1: if card del Jones is the top of his list,

1203
00:56:22,080 --> 00:56:24,880
Speaker 1: and I think we should reassess Dan's ability to evaluate

1204
00:56:24,920 --> 00:56:27,239
Speaker 1: quarterbacks only give him a hard time. But the one

1205
00:56:27,280 --> 00:56:30,040
Speaker 1: other thing that I wanted to throw out, Greer intrigues

1206
00:56:30,080 --> 00:56:32,080
Speaker 1: me a bit, John, and I want to see how

1207
00:56:32,239 --> 00:56:34,000
Speaker 1: the combine plays out. I want to see how the

1208
00:56:34,040 --> 00:56:35,800
Speaker 1: draft from and he'll be the Sunior Bowl too, and

1209
00:56:35,840 --> 00:56:37,279
Speaker 1: he'll be at the Senior But he's a name that

1210
00:56:37,320 --> 00:56:39,279
Speaker 1: I'm gonna keep close tabs on because I think he

1211
00:56:39,320 --> 00:56:41,680
Speaker 1: could potentially be on the rise. And he may not

1212
00:56:41,840 --> 00:56:44,080
Speaker 1: go as high as some of these other quarterbacks, but

1213
00:56:44,120 --> 00:56:46,760
Speaker 1: if you can get him late, I would be willing

1214
00:56:46,800 --> 00:56:48,560
Speaker 1: to maybe dangle my feet with him a little bit.

1215
00:56:49,040 --> 00:56:52,279
Speaker 1: Two five and three, two more calls will say it

1216
00:56:52,320 --> 00:56:58,839
Speaker 1: before we say goodbye, Joe, and Pennsylvania is up next. Hello, Joe, Hey, John,

1217
00:56:58,960 --> 00:57:02,920
Speaker 1: Happy New Year's you too. Uh it is It's like

1218
00:57:02,960 --> 00:57:06,280
Speaker 1: a soap oper. We don't want to what's what's gonna happen?

1219
00:57:06,360 --> 00:57:09,239
Speaker 1: You know? But the quarterback from Penn State, every time

1220
00:57:09,600 --> 00:57:15,400
Speaker 1: he played Ohio State, I forget his name, easteemed like

1221
00:57:15,520 --> 00:57:18,440
Speaker 1: he outplayed the guy from Ohio State. For me, he's

1222
00:57:19,920 --> 00:57:23,040
Speaker 1: a competitor, but he's small, so I'm not sure what

1223
00:57:23,080 --> 00:57:25,480
Speaker 1: to say there, Joe, here's Joe, Joe. Here's the funny thing.

1224
00:57:25,520 --> 00:57:27,240
Speaker 1: Real quick, I watched I had. I watched a lot

1225
00:57:27,240 --> 00:57:29,360
Speaker 1: of trace McSorley last year when I was watching se

1226
00:57:29,520 --> 00:57:32,080
Speaker 1: Kwon Barkley. Do you know how many really good skill

1227
00:57:32,120 --> 00:57:34,200
Speaker 1: position player Penn State a coming out in that draft

1228
00:57:34,280 --> 00:57:36,640
Speaker 1: last year? And I looked at why they didn't win

1229
00:57:36,680 --> 00:57:38,919
Speaker 1: a lot of games, and you can do the math.

1230
00:57:40,960 --> 00:57:44,400
Speaker 1: Whatever do you think by any time, I want to

1231
00:57:44,440 --> 00:57:47,680
Speaker 1: put this a past them that Gettleman anyway would ask

1232
00:57:47,800 --> 00:57:51,160
Speaker 1: Eli and him to renew his contract. What do you

1233
00:57:51,200 --> 00:57:55,920
Speaker 1: mean by renew extending me in the contract to I

1234
00:57:55,960 --> 00:57:58,480
Speaker 1: guess they want to cut cut him down and and

1235
00:57:58,560 --> 00:58:00,960
Speaker 1: bring him back for a year too. So you're talking

1236
00:58:00,960 --> 00:58:06,040
Speaker 1: about restructuring the contract essentially. I think that's possible. Yes, okay, okay,

1237
00:58:06,080 --> 00:58:08,280
Speaker 1: So all right, I want to put that a pass

1238
00:58:08,360 --> 00:58:11,880
Speaker 1: that passed them. And I was just thinking all these quarterbacks.

1239
00:58:11,920 --> 00:58:14,640
Speaker 1: If I was the top quarterback in the next year

1240
00:58:14,800 --> 00:58:18,240
Speaker 1: twenties or so, all these other ones are coming out,

1241
00:58:18,320 --> 00:58:21,360
Speaker 1: I think I'd come out in nineteen. Want you two?

1242
00:58:21,520 --> 00:58:23,760
Speaker 1: I mean I really want to look at that, you know.

1243
00:58:23,920 --> 00:58:26,160
Speaker 1: I mean that you might go higher and get a

1244
00:58:26,160 --> 00:58:30,040
Speaker 1: better price, you know. So it's something that they should

1245
00:58:30,320 --> 00:58:32,560
Speaker 1: look at. What I want to bring up. You've had

1246
00:58:32,560 --> 00:58:34,800
Speaker 1: a scene a game because I get ticked off with

1247
00:58:34,840 --> 00:58:37,560
Speaker 1: these reffs. You want to see that play called in

1248
00:58:37,640 --> 00:58:40,439
Speaker 1: the Eagles Bear game where I knew he was going

1249
00:58:40,480 --> 00:58:44,320
Speaker 1: there right there? Well, did you see the play where

1250
00:58:44,400 --> 00:58:49,520
Speaker 1: it was a reception and depth but just because the

1251
00:58:49,600 --> 00:58:53,760
Speaker 1: reff picked up the ball, they said they can't well

1252
00:58:54,280 --> 00:58:56,360
Speaker 1: they can't get I mean they didn't you see that? Yeah, No,

1253
00:58:56,440 --> 00:58:58,240
Speaker 1: I know exactly what player you're talking about. First of all,

1254
00:58:58,280 --> 00:58:59,920
Speaker 1: I mean the NFL didn't make up that rule. That

1255
00:59:00,160 --> 00:59:03,280
Speaker 1: rule previously existed. It's just extremely rare. We haven't seen

1256
00:59:03,320 --> 00:59:06,440
Speaker 1: in the currents like this. It was in the case book. Yeah,

1257
00:59:06,480 --> 00:59:09,240
Speaker 1: but let me just say here now, it just don't

1258
00:59:09,320 --> 00:59:12,200
Speaker 1: make sense. He cut, he cut the ball, the receiver,

1259
00:59:12,240 --> 00:59:15,600
Speaker 1: he took three steps, yep. But because nobody picked up

1260
00:59:15,640 --> 00:59:22,880
Speaker 1: the ball, it goes back to it gets correct. You

1261
00:59:23,200 --> 00:59:26,840
Speaker 1: if you catch the ball and take three steps, it's

1262
00:59:26,840 --> 00:59:29,480
Speaker 1: a fine thing, and and drop the ball rolls out

1263
00:59:29,480 --> 00:59:33,080
Speaker 1: of bounds, it goes back to the team that had

1264
00:59:33,160 --> 00:59:35,680
Speaker 1: the ball, correct exactly. That's the position where they would

1265
00:59:35,680 --> 00:59:38,480
Speaker 1: take over. The rule don't make sense, and that's fairly.

1266
00:59:38,680 --> 00:59:41,720
Speaker 1: It is so stupid. I don't disagree with that, Joe.

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00:59:41,760 --> 00:59:43,720
Speaker 1: To see that, to me is completely different. It's one

1268
00:59:43,760 --> 00:59:45,720
Speaker 1: thing to say the rule doesn't make sense. It's another

1269
00:59:45,720 --> 00:59:47,160
Speaker 1: thing to say the NFL has no idea what the

1270
00:59:47,160 --> 00:59:49,920
Speaker 1: hell it's talking about. The NFL made that rule. They

1271
00:59:49,920 --> 00:59:52,439
Speaker 1: didn't make it up. What I have a problem with, Joe.

1272
00:59:52,480 --> 00:59:55,960
Speaker 1: But it was actually was called correct. And that's what's

1273
00:59:55,960 --> 00:59:58,360
Speaker 1: important to emphasize. And Joe, I don't disagree with your sentiments.

1274
00:59:58,400 --> 01:00:00,439
Speaker 1: But here's the other part that I'm irritate it about.

1275
01:00:00,880 --> 01:00:05,600
Speaker 1: It is common sense for players. It should be instinctual. John, Okay,

1276
01:00:05,760 --> 01:00:07,720
Speaker 1: the balls on the floor, I don't care whether you

1277
01:00:07,760 --> 01:00:09,520
Speaker 1: think you caught it. You don't know you caught it.

1278
01:00:09,640 --> 01:00:12,640
Speaker 1: You go after the football. There's was about three or

1279
01:00:12,680 --> 01:00:15,439
Speaker 1: four minutes. It seemed like I'm exaggerating that went by.

1280
01:00:15,520 --> 01:00:17,800
Speaker 1: It was like seconds. And then of course then the

1281
01:00:17,880 --> 01:00:20,400
Speaker 1: official picked up the football. But I mean he gotta

1282
01:00:20,480 --> 01:00:23,320
Speaker 1: not to go after the blow and he was waving

1283
01:00:23,400 --> 01:00:26,200
Speaker 1: his arms, so I mean that always pick up, always

1284
01:00:26,240 --> 01:00:29,760
Speaker 1: go after Joe. I can tell you in practice here

1285
01:00:29,960 --> 01:00:33,800
Speaker 1: under Perry Fuel, under Steve spag Nolo, under James Betcher

1286
01:00:34,400 --> 01:00:36,400
Speaker 1: scoop and score, pick up the ball if you're a

1287
01:00:36,400 --> 01:00:38,560
Speaker 1: defensive player when it's on the field during training camp,

1288
01:00:38,600 --> 01:00:41,160
Speaker 1: even after the whistle or something. They teach every single

1289
01:00:41,280 --> 01:00:45,160
Speaker 1: day here every day. All right, I'm just saying play

1290
01:00:45,240 --> 01:00:47,720
Speaker 1: through the whistle. But if you play to the whistle

1291
01:00:47,800 --> 01:00:50,480
Speaker 1: and you hit somebody, then they're throwing the flag. I'm

1292
01:00:50,520 --> 01:00:56,000
Speaker 1: not saying hit somebody to the ball, but they all

1293
01:00:56,440 --> 01:00:59,720
Speaker 1: that's all I could say on their calls rest when

1294
01:00:59,720 --> 01:01:10,680
Speaker 1: it themselves, you're happy to hear, appreciate. Whether he watches

1295
01:01:10,720 --> 01:01:12,640
Speaker 1: the cave or not. You can tell it's not even

1296
01:01:12,640 --> 01:01:16,680
Speaker 1: the Giants. He guess he's got the irritated he doesn't

1297
01:01:16,520 --> 01:01:18,200
Speaker 1: want to hear. And you know what, I'll be honest,

1298
01:01:18,240 --> 01:01:19,640
Speaker 1: I didn't know that was the role either. I had

1299
01:01:19,640 --> 01:01:21,480
Speaker 1: to go talk to the Giants rules guy and I'm

1300
01:01:21,480 --> 01:01:23,520
Speaker 1: like so, and he said, you know what, I wouldn't

1301
01:01:23,520 --> 01:01:25,000
Speaker 1: be surprised if that's something that they look at and

1302
01:01:25,280 --> 01:01:28,880
Speaker 1: change next year. The compensation committee goes back, Logically, it

1303
01:01:28,880 --> 01:01:30,400
Speaker 1: doesn't make sense to meet you. I don't know why

1304
01:01:30,440 --> 01:01:32,480
Speaker 1: that doesn't turn into a reception. If there was a

1305
01:01:32,480 --> 01:01:34,880
Speaker 1: clear recovery by the Eagles on the plane, then yeah, sure,

1306
01:01:35,280 --> 01:01:37,640
Speaker 1: But yeah, I don't know if I agree with the

1307
01:01:37,640 --> 01:01:39,480
Speaker 1: logic of the rule with Joe there. But look, the

1308
01:01:39,520 --> 01:01:42,080
Speaker 1: rules are the rules, and you got to apply them. Now.

1309
01:01:42,080 --> 01:01:43,720
Speaker 1: We'll see if they leave that rule the way it is.

1310
01:01:43,720 --> 01:01:45,040
Speaker 1: It's kind it's kind of like tuck rule and they

1311
01:01:45,040 --> 01:01:47,600
Speaker 1: had to tuck with. We got to change this thing, alright,

1312
01:01:47,640 --> 01:01:52,480
Speaker 1: final call or too there's another one different changes. Lance's

1313
01:01:52,520 --> 01:01:56,640
Speaker 1: best friend Charlie in Portland, Maine. Hi, Charlie, how we

1314
01:01:56,720 --> 01:02:02,120
Speaker 1: do with Charlie? Good? Hey, I gotta complaint? Why? Why?

1315
01:02:02,120 --> 01:02:05,480
Speaker 1: Why is all these head coaches think their God's gift

1316
01:02:05,520 --> 01:02:08,480
Speaker 1: to play calling. If you want to play call, then

1317
01:02:08,600 --> 01:02:12,479
Speaker 1: be an offensive coordinator. You shouldn't be able to call

1318
01:02:12,600 --> 01:02:16,800
Speaker 1: plays if you're a head coach. It's ridiculous. He's gonna

1319
01:02:16,840 --> 01:02:19,360
Speaker 1: want full control at the Jets. He's gonna want to

1320
01:02:19,400 --> 01:02:21,360
Speaker 1: call all the place because that's what he did in

1321
01:02:21,400 --> 01:02:23,240
Speaker 1: Green Bay and he had to give it up and

1322
01:02:23,280 --> 01:02:25,320
Speaker 1: he didn't like it, and he's going to come back

1323
01:02:25,360 --> 01:02:27,600
Speaker 1: and he's got to call all the place. I don't

1324
01:02:27,640 --> 01:02:30,560
Speaker 1: I think there should be a rule or a law

1325
01:02:30,840 --> 01:02:34,720
Speaker 1: saying that this is a good follow up. Can't pay Charlie,

1326
01:02:34,760 --> 01:02:37,920
Speaker 1: here's an offensive coordinat want to be an offensive coordinator?

1327
01:02:38,120 --> 01:02:40,840
Speaker 1: Then called the place. Charlie. Here's why I completely disagree

1328
01:02:40,880 --> 01:02:44,440
Speaker 1: with you. Okay, let's take a step back. Sean McVeigh. Okay,

1329
01:02:44,520 --> 01:02:47,960
Speaker 1: why do you think the Rams were attracted to Sean McVeigh.

1330
01:02:48,200 --> 01:02:49,960
Speaker 1: Why why do you think he was at the top

1331
01:02:50,000 --> 01:02:53,160
Speaker 1: of their list as a head coach in candidate? What

1332
01:02:53,560 --> 01:02:56,040
Speaker 1: was appealing about Sean McVeigh If you would look at

1333
01:02:56,040 --> 01:02:59,240
Speaker 1: his resume, what do you think two years old? Well, okay,

1334
01:02:59,280 --> 01:03:01,040
Speaker 1: of course you were going to own an opposite direction.

1335
01:03:01,040 --> 01:03:04,720
Speaker 1: I'm not surprised. I should have never asked you ensive coordinator.

1336
01:03:05,280 --> 01:03:07,120
Speaker 1: They know, but they couldn't have gotten them to be

1337
01:03:07,200 --> 01:03:09,960
Speaker 1: their offensive coordination. He's looking for a promotion, he's not

1338
01:03:10,040 --> 01:03:12,919
Speaker 1: looking for an equivalent job. He was already a guy

1339
01:03:13,000 --> 01:03:14,959
Speaker 1: that was labeled as an oc in a play caller,

1340
01:03:15,040 --> 01:03:17,960
Speaker 1: so you hire him because of his ability to call plays.

1341
01:03:18,040 --> 01:03:19,560
Speaker 1: So now you bring him in as your head coach

1342
01:03:19,600 --> 01:03:22,280
Speaker 1: and say, Sean, listen, we loved what you did in Washington,

1343
01:03:22,520 --> 01:03:24,160
Speaker 1: but you know what, you got to bring in another

1344
01:03:24,160 --> 01:03:27,520
Speaker 1: guy to all of a sudden designate those responsibilities. You

1345
01:03:27,560 --> 01:03:29,680
Speaker 1: stand on the sideline, you wear the headset, you look

1346
01:03:29,760 --> 01:03:32,640
Speaker 1: real good, You call time out, you decide went to challenge,

1347
01:03:32,680 --> 01:03:34,720
Speaker 1: and you have Joe Schmo called plays for you. I mean,

1348
01:03:34,760 --> 01:03:37,320
Speaker 1: that sounds like a great plant, Charlie, doesn't it. No, No,

1349
01:03:37,440 --> 01:03:40,240
Speaker 1: the plan is is you get good people around you.

1350
01:03:40,480 --> 01:03:43,640
Speaker 1: Head coach is supposed to be and that's a fair point.

1351
01:03:43,840 --> 01:03:47,080
Speaker 1: The overall situation. He has to be an eager he

1352
01:03:47,120 --> 01:03:49,840
Speaker 1: has to see far. He can't get into the minutia

1353
01:03:49,960 --> 01:03:56,680
Speaker 1: of every freeding play. Yeah, but they're looking at You're

1354
01:03:56,720 --> 01:03:59,640
Speaker 1: forgetting one important You're forgetting one important part of all this.

1355
01:04:00,200 --> 01:04:03,520
Speaker 1: What How much do you head coaches get paid as

1356
01:04:03,520 --> 01:04:06,360
Speaker 1: a post offensive coordinators? That's what I'm saying. You pay

1357
01:04:06,440 --> 01:04:09,800
Speaker 1: an officeive coordinator, if he's really good, you pay him

1358
01:04:09,840 --> 01:04:12,000
Speaker 1: close to what a head coach. But you're not gonna

1359
01:04:12,160 --> 01:04:17,000
Speaker 1: do that. You can't do that. It just financially doesn't work. Well.

1360
01:04:17,080 --> 01:04:19,680
Speaker 1: I just don't. I just don't think a head coach

1361
01:04:19,720 --> 01:04:21,840
Speaker 1: should be calling place. I don't think Schumer should be

1362
01:04:21,840 --> 01:04:24,400
Speaker 1: calling place. I hope he lets Julie do it next

1363
01:04:24,480 --> 01:04:27,400
Speaker 1: year or this year. Well listen, if Charles Schumer was

1364
01:04:27,480 --> 01:04:29,120
Speaker 1: running the Giants, I don't think he should be calling

1365
01:04:29,160 --> 01:04:31,480
Speaker 1: place too. I'm not disagreed with you, Charlie, but it's

1366
01:04:31,480 --> 01:04:37,560
Speaker 1: Pat Schumer that actually is called whatever. Whatever he should

1367
01:04:37,560 --> 01:04:42,800
Speaker 1: bring in an office, doesn't coaches have so much ego

1368
01:04:43,000 --> 01:04:48,760
Speaker 1: it's unbelievable. I'm glad you gotta run, but I'm glad

1369
01:04:48,800 --> 01:04:50,920
Speaker 1: you fit us in today. Charlie, thanks so much. Well,

1370
01:04:50,960 --> 01:04:55,440
Speaker 1: you know here, here's the thing. If if if Charlie

1371
01:04:55,760 --> 01:04:59,280
Speaker 1: created some kind of like Arnica Corporation where they like

1372
01:04:59,360 --> 01:05:02,400
Speaker 1: sold the honor right, which is like healing salve. Well,

1373
01:05:02,400 --> 01:05:05,000
Speaker 1: but he was responsible for developing it though too. But

1374
01:05:05,040 --> 01:05:07,760
Speaker 1: what would he want to like hire a c like

1375
01:05:07,840 --> 01:05:12,360
Speaker 1: a c O CEO to to to to move his Honica. No,

1376
01:05:12,440 --> 01:05:15,720
Speaker 1: he's gonna want to do it himself. He thinks, yeah,

1377
01:05:15,720 --> 01:05:17,360
Speaker 1: he thinks he's the best at it. He's the best

1378
01:05:17,440 --> 01:05:19,240
Speaker 1: honor I would you want to hire a different Hontica

1379
01:05:19,280 --> 01:05:21,760
Speaker 1: guy who's not gonna be as good making the salve.

1380
01:05:21,880 --> 01:05:24,640
Speaker 1: Now he's the number one salve guy, he wants to

1381
01:05:24,640 --> 01:05:27,960
Speaker 1: make the salve himself. No, I can see that playing

1382
01:05:27,960 --> 01:05:31,440
Speaker 1: out accordingly. But I think in all seriousness, why do

1383
01:05:31,480 --> 01:05:33,840
Speaker 1: you if you hire a coach for his play cool ability,

1384
01:05:33,840 --> 01:05:36,080
Speaker 1: which was also I'm sure a big appeal with Pat

1385
01:05:36,080 --> 01:05:38,800
Speaker 1: Shermer John and what he did with Minnesota, then you're

1386
01:05:38,800 --> 01:05:40,960
Speaker 1: gonna tell him to come in and that Listen, we

1387
01:05:41,040 --> 01:05:42,960
Speaker 1: love what you did, but here you're gonna run it

1388
01:05:43,000 --> 01:05:47,440
Speaker 1: completely differently. It's just not gonna work that way. If

1389
01:05:47,440 --> 01:05:49,680
Speaker 1: once he gets here and he grooms somebody underneath him

1390
01:05:49,800 --> 01:05:53,000
Speaker 1: and he who knows his system backwards and forwards right,

1391
01:05:53,520 --> 01:05:55,880
Speaker 1: then sure pass it on. And we've seen that happen

1392
01:05:55,920 --> 01:05:58,000
Speaker 1: in other places where he coaches do that. I think

1393
01:05:58,000 --> 01:06:00,480
Speaker 1: Sean Payton at some point did that in the World's Right.

1394
01:06:00,760 --> 01:06:02,840
Speaker 1: You mentioned Mike McCarthy did that in Green Bay when

1395
01:06:02,880 --> 01:06:05,240
Speaker 1: the guy came along underneath him. Jake Gruden did that

1396
01:06:05,280 --> 01:06:08,000
Speaker 1: when he was in Washington. Mcay is one of the

1397
01:06:08,040 --> 01:06:10,360
Speaker 1: guys he well, he started calling players. Then he passed

1398
01:06:10,400 --> 01:06:12,880
Speaker 1: on the Kyle Shanahan and then it went down the

1399
01:06:12,920 --> 01:06:14,680
Speaker 1: road and down the road and down the road. So

1400
01:06:15,000 --> 01:06:17,400
Speaker 1: that's kind of how it goes, and that's okay. But

1401
01:06:17,440 --> 01:06:19,600
Speaker 1: you're not gonna be paying your head coach seven million

1402
01:06:19,640 --> 01:06:21,240
Speaker 1: dollars a year in your offensive quarters six and a

1403
01:06:21,280 --> 01:06:23,400
Speaker 1: half million dollars a year. It doesn't work that way.

1404
01:06:23,800 --> 01:06:26,040
Speaker 1: And the other thing to take the consideration if you

1405
01:06:26,120 --> 01:06:27,800
Speaker 1: look at it, and Sherman has been asked about this

1406
01:06:27,880 --> 01:06:29,800
Speaker 1: multiple times. John he was asked about it actually at

1407
01:06:29,840 --> 01:06:31,240
Speaker 1: the end of the season, you know, how did the

1408
01:06:31,320 --> 01:06:34,000
Speaker 1: dynamics work between he and Mike Shula and Mike Shul

1409
01:06:34,120 --> 01:06:36,480
Speaker 1: is the offensive coordinator, and he said, Hey, there are

1410
01:06:36,520 --> 01:06:40,040
Speaker 1: times during games where I'll run ideas off of Mike

1411
01:06:40,120 --> 01:06:41,840
Speaker 1: and saying, Mike, you know, where do you think we

1412
01:06:41,840 --> 01:06:43,720
Speaker 1: should go in terms of the direction of the play calling,

1413
01:06:43,760 --> 01:06:45,880
Speaker 1: and Mike instantaneously because he was an o C at

1414
01:06:45,920 --> 01:06:49,120
Speaker 1: Carolina previous college football head coach. So it's good to

1415
01:06:49,160 --> 01:06:52,720
Speaker 1: have somebody else to bounce those ideas off of. It's

1416
01:06:52,720 --> 01:06:55,000
Speaker 1: not as if Mike Shula is standing or sitting throughout

1417
01:06:55,040 --> 01:06:58,680
Speaker 1: the game and he's just a figurehead. I mean, there

1418
01:06:58,760 --> 01:07:01,680
Speaker 1: is a back and forth. Station is just Shermer is

1419
01:07:01,760 --> 01:07:04,440
Speaker 1: making the end all be all decisions when it comes

1420
01:07:04,440 --> 01:07:06,880
Speaker 1: to what plays to relate to Elie Manning. Real quick,

1421
01:07:06,920 --> 01:07:08,120
Speaker 1: you're not on the rest of the week, give me

1422
01:07:08,160 --> 01:07:10,959
Speaker 1: your four picks for the games over the weekend. Wow, okay, Well,

1423
01:07:11,080 --> 01:07:14,560
Speaker 1: I'm with you. I think that if you're the Cowboys,

1424
01:07:15,280 --> 01:07:17,680
Speaker 1: the greatest thing that happened for them is the Eagles

1425
01:07:17,760 --> 01:07:20,760
Speaker 1: knocking off the Bears. Even though Dallas beat New Orleans,

1426
01:07:20,840 --> 01:07:22,400
Speaker 1: I think it's very difficult to ask them to do

1427
01:07:22,480 --> 01:07:27,160
Speaker 1: that twice. And when I think the Cowboys defense is underrated,

1428
01:07:27,400 --> 01:07:29,880
Speaker 1: I've said that time and time again. I actually like

1429
01:07:29,960 --> 01:07:32,520
Speaker 1: their chances going to l a knocking off the Rams.

1430
01:07:32,560 --> 01:07:34,680
Speaker 1: As far as the Eagles in the Saints, I think

1431
01:07:34,680 --> 01:07:36,360
Speaker 1: the game is gonna be a bit more competitive than

1432
01:07:36,400 --> 01:07:39,720
Speaker 1: that forty seven lopsided affair earlier this year. But New

1433
01:07:39,800 --> 01:07:42,280
Speaker 1: Orleans at home John a well oiled machine, a really

1434
01:07:42,320 --> 01:07:45,080
Speaker 1: good defense this year, I think Philadelphias luck is gonna

1435
01:07:45,160 --> 01:07:47,240
Speaker 1: run out. So I like New Orleans and Dallas. Moving on,

1436
01:07:47,280 --> 01:07:50,320
Speaker 1: I think in the NFC the a f C, I

1437
01:07:50,360 --> 01:07:53,360
Speaker 1: have picked the Chargers time and time again. I picked

1438
01:07:53,360 --> 01:07:55,560
Speaker 1: the Charges before the season. Is my surprise Super Bowl

1439
01:07:55,640 --> 01:07:58,360
Speaker 1: pick for me to go against them? Would make no sense.

1440
01:07:58,440 --> 01:08:00,440
Speaker 1: The one thing I'm worried about, though, John, is the

1441
01:08:00,480 --> 01:08:03,120
Speaker 1: rumors about the forecast do not make me feel warm

1442
01:08:03,120 --> 01:08:04,920
Speaker 1: and cozy. And the Patriots, by the way, eight and

1443
01:08:05,000 --> 01:08:07,720
Speaker 1: oh at home this year, and the Patriots have I

1444
01:08:07,760 --> 01:08:10,400
Speaker 1: believe in eight game postseason winning streak at home. It's

1445
01:08:10,400 --> 01:08:13,520
Speaker 1: been a while. With that being said, though, if Philip

1446
01:08:13,560 --> 01:08:15,800
Speaker 1: Rivers in the snow doesn't make me feel comfortable. With

1447
01:08:15,840 --> 01:08:17,479
Speaker 1: that being said, though, John, I think the other thing

1448
01:08:17,479 --> 01:08:19,439
Speaker 1: that people are overlooking is the Charges have been road

1449
01:08:19,439 --> 01:08:21,559
Speaker 1: warriors this season. They have not lost the game outside

1450
01:08:21,560 --> 01:08:23,360
Speaker 1: of California this year, and playing at home is pretty

1451
01:08:23,400 --> 01:08:24,680
Speaker 1: much a road game for him too. So they better

1452
01:08:24,680 --> 01:08:27,120
Speaker 1: because exactly what I'll say, every time, they've got it

1453
01:08:27,160 --> 01:08:29,240
Speaker 1: on an airplane this year and they've won, and and

1454
01:08:29,280 --> 01:08:32,040
Speaker 1: this is you know, we always talk about Elin Manning

1455
01:08:32,080 --> 01:08:34,320
Speaker 1: some years not having a great defense. I've talked about

1456
01:08:34,320 --> 01:08:37,400
Speaker 1: this with Tony Romo not having a good defense. Rivers finally,

1457
01:08:37,520 --> 01:08:40,160
Speaker 1: I think has some balance on these team. So that's

1458
01:08:40,160 --> 01:08:42,840
Speaker 1: what makes them dangerous. I'm gonna say Chargers going to

1459
01:08:42,920 --> 01:08:45,439
Speaker 1: New England, regardless of the weather, roll the Dice knock

1460
01:08:45,479 --> 01:08:48,240
Speaker 1: off the Patriots. I'm gonna stick with them. And I

1461
01:08:48,320 --> 01:08:50,160
Speaker 1: like the Colts going into Arrowhead and knocking off the

1462
01:08:50,200 --> 01:08:52,519
Speaker 1: Kansas City Chiefs. I'm very high on the Colts. I

1463
01:08:52,600 --> 01:08:55,439
Speaker 1: love what Frank Reich has done. I love their offensive line.

1464
01:08:55,880 --> 01:08:58,840
Speaker 1: I don't love Kansas City's defense. John Okay, you could

1465
01:08:58,840 --> 01:09:01,000
Speaker 1: tell me all you want about their two sacks. And

1466
01:09:01,120 --> 01:09:03,920
Speaker 1: Chris Jones has had a marvelous season. I actually think

1467
01:09:03,960 --> 01:09:06,400
Speaker 1: if this gets to be an offensive clinic, I think

1468
01:09:06,439 --> 01:09:09,479
Speaker 1: that favors Indianapolis much more so than Kansas City. I

1469
01:09:09,520 --> 01:09:11,519
Speaker 1: don't care if it's the minority opinion. I'm not afraid

1470
01:09:11,600 --> 01:09:14,920
Speaker 1: to say it. The Colts have a balanced attack. Go

1471
01:09:15,040 --> 01:09:17,160
Speaker 1: with the balanced attack of the postseason. I like both

1472
01:09:17,200 --> 01:09:19,720
Speaker 1: wild card teams facing off in the ANFC Championship game,

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Speaker 1: and I like Dallas New Orleans in a rematch from Thanksgiving.

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Speaker 1: Lands telling you like it is. Indeed, so you're gonna

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Speaker 1: now leave us all hanging, and you'll tell me off

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Speaker 1: the air and tell the Friday wait till Friday. Okay,

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Speaker 1: that's fair. I think we're online on some I think

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Speaker 1: I think you're a little don't seem to be an

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Speaker 1: agreement with me on the a f C side, and

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Speaker 1: that's fine. No, I'm I'm honestly haven't made my decision

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Speaker 1: on Chargers Patriots yet. I think it's gonna be a

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Speaker 1: hell of a game, okay, but I don't know where

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Speaker 1: I'm going there. I have a hard time picking against

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Speaker 1: Kansas City. In Kansas City, the Andy Reid Curson is

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Speaker 1: something that's in the back of my mind. Also went

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Speaker 1: into Arrowhead this year and knocked off the Chiefs. I

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Speaker 1: don't I don't think the Colts defense is that good either,

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Speaker 1: to be quite honest with you, they're very conservative. They

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Speaker 1: make Guy's extend drives. But I think the Chiefs canna

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Speaker 1: put up a thirty spot on them and the Clashers.

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Speaker 1: I love the Colts. I think Andy Lucks wonderful. I

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Speaker 1: told you I think he's the top three quarterback in

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Speaker 1: the league right now when the Giants faced him, so

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Speaker 1: I think he's great. Um, I think that's going to

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Speaker 1: be I think it's gonna be a good game. I

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Speaker 1: think it'll be high scoring, but I think that I

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Speaker 1: think the Chiefs will eventually win it. Anyway, good stuff,

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Speaker 1: enjoy the games this weekend. We'll see you tomorrow. It's

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Speaker 1: me and Datino on Big Book Back at our normal

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Speaker 1: off season time at noon for a lance medwhile John Schmilt,

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Speaker 1: we'll see you next time. Everybody, have a pleasant after Nude,

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Speaker 1: have a going