Speaker 1: Welcome back to another episode of the new rory and
Speaker 1: maul podcast i am maul i'm rory rory today we
Speaker 1: are joined by we don't use this word icon and
Speaker 1: legend loosely that's true i'm very serious when it comes
Speaker 1: to that word but today we are joined by a
Speaker 1: legend in every sense of the word Somebody that I've
Speaker 1: always wanted the pleasure of meeting, and today he is
Speaker 1: here with us. We are joined by the legendary, the
Speaker 1: iconic E-40 is in the.
Speaker 2: Building, ladies and gentlemen. E-40. Yes. Say now. Album out
Speaker 2: this week. Yes, sir. Album out. Listen, the quadruple. The quadruple.
Speaker 2: First time ever, four albums, man, by a rap recording artist.
Speaker 2: You know what I'm saying?
Speaker 1: What was the, obviously... The 40, to play on the 40, E40,
Speaker 1: I get that part. But what was the motivation behind
Speaker 1: wanting to record so much music at this point? Because everything,
Speaker 1: you're a legacy at this point. So everything now is
Speaker 1: just like you having fun. But what was the motivation
Speaker 1: to want to, first of all, sit down and take
Speaker 1: the time to record 40 tracks? But what was the
Speaker 1: inspiration behind just even having the idea of doing that?
Speaker 2: So my track record has been putting out double CDs.
Speaker 3: Right.
Speaker 2: In the 90s, bro, 30-something years ago, I was putting
Speaker 2: out double CDs, you know. Then in the 2000s, like
Speaker 2: 2010 and up, I put out multiple, two albums at
Speaker 2: the same time. revenue retrieving day shift night shift graveyard
Speaker 2: shift overtime shift I went to the block brochure one
Speaker 2: two three and four the block brochure welcome to the
Speaker 2: soil one two three and four the block brochure welcome
Speaker 2: to the soil four five six you know what I'm
Speaker 2: saying I've been doing them they all charted and all
Speaker 2: that stuff you know what I'm saying and I just
Speaker 2: been doing it for many moons you know I was
Speaker 2: on even some of the bigger records like Tupac All
Speaker 2: Eyes On Me I was on his double album I
Speaker 2: was on 8 Ball Lost Triple album I was on
Speaker 2: a Crazy Bones double album. And so I just been,
Speaker 2: I put a lot of music out all my life
Speaker 2: and I felt like all these, I missed out on
Speaker 2: two or three, two or three years recently. Cause I
Speaker 2: got multiple, you know, revenue streams and stuff. So I
Speaker 2: got multiple businesses. And so I just kind of like,
Speaker 2: you know, took a break off music, but I've been
Speaker 2: doing features and everything all the way through. So I
Speaker 2: kept myself relevant, staying in a mix like Bisquick's. And
Speaker 2: then I was like, you know, I got to satisfy
Speaker 2: my fan base's time. Cause I was going, I was,
Speaker 2: I pivoted from, um, What was I finna do? I
Speaker 2: was finna do Rule of Thumb, because I did that
Speaker 2: in 2000. When was that? 2023? Yeah, so I did
Speaker 2: Rule of Thumb. But that was November of 2023, right?
Speaker 2: So it kind of been like two years, two or something. Yeah.
Speaker 2: And so anyway, make a long story short, and a
Speaker 2: short story long, I knew that my fans hadn't got
Speaker 2: no albums from me in a couple of years, and
Speaker 2: that's not like me. You know what I mean? Since 88,
Speaker 2: I've been consistent. And so I was like, you know what?
Speaker 2: I got hella songs. That's all I do. I got
Speaker 2: so many damn rap records, bro. Yeah? Yeah, I can
Speaker 2: stop right now.
Speaker 1: How often do you record, though? Even if you don't
Speaker 1: have an album, you want to get in there and
Speaker 1: lay something down?
Speaker 2: At least four times a week. Yeah, at least four
Speaker 2: times a week and at least five songs a day
Speaker 2: I do it, whether it's just a verse and then
Speaker 2: I'll get a feature or just a verse and then
Speaker 2: I revisit it later on and finish that up. You know,
Speaker 2: two verses is all you need nowadays. A hook or
Speaker 2: a bridge. You know what I'm saying? A hook and
Speaker 2: a bridge. You feel me? Yeah. So I was like,
Speaker 2: you know what, let me change the title from Rule
Speaker 2: of Thumb 2 and 3 because I was going to
Speaker 2: do a double. Okay. Because I just did Rule of
Speaker 2: Thumb in 2023. Right. And so I was like, you
Speaker 2: know what, let me change it. And so I was
Speaker 2: like turning my money over. So I found the old
Speaker 2: picture of me 40 years ago. You know, I was 18.
Speaker 2: And I was like, you know what, let me make
Speaker 2: this the album cover. This kind of fly because it's
Speaker 2: the 80s and whatnot. You feel me? Right. And so then,
Speaker 2: so that's 40 years ago. So we playing all fours, right? Right.
Speaker 2: Then I say, let me put 40 songs on this
Speaker 2: quadruple album. Let me do, let me do a four,
Speaker 2: make it four disc. Okay. You feel me? And put
Speaker 2: that thing out with all brand new blappers. They all blaps.
Speaker 2: They all brand new. The whole woo-wop. I got a
Speaker 2: song on there called the woo-wop. The woo-wop. How'd you
Speaker 2: decide which records went on which disc? Well, I kind
Speaker 2: of tried to even it out because I got my
Speaker 2: favorite producer in the world working with us, Rick Rock. OK.
Speaker 2: You know, he produced for Jay-Z and Busta Rhymes and
Speaker 2: Rock Here, all kind of people. Right. And so I
Speaker 2: was like, I have I got like six or seven
Speaker 2: of his blaps. So I want to spread them out. So,
Speaker 2: you know, I don't want them to all be Rick Rock,
Speaker 2: Rick Rock, Rick Rock. I want to mix it up
Speaker 2: because so many producers on there, you know what I mean?
Speaker 2: And so I just like, you know, make sure I
Speaker 2: made each one. Where it's like, I don't just put
Speaker 2: all the blaps, blapper, blappers on one of the discs.
Speaker 2: I want every one of them to have something super slaps.
Speaker 2: You feel me? That's how I did it. Have you
Speaker 2: ever connected with Mustard before? Yeah, man. Mustard produced the
Speaker 2: biggest record I ever been on in my life. You
Speaker 2: know what that is? Which one? That one right there. Also,
Speaker 2: he produced the one. that I'm on with Ty Dolla
Speaker 2: Sign called Saved. And that went platinum. I was on
Speaker 2: that with Ty Dolla Sign. He produced one more. What
Speaker 2: else must've produced? One more that was one of them ones, too.
Speaker 2: It'll come to me. But nah, Mustard, I haven't had
Speaker 2: him produce one for me personally, but I tapped in
Speaker 2: with him the other day on the DM because, you know,
Speaker 2: he'll send me some music. I fuck with Mustard real heavy.
Speaker 2: I like Mustard. He got blaps.
Speaker 3: Because I mean, of course, Mustard is L.A., has an L.A. sound,
Speaker 3: but I've always felt like his sound did kind of
Speaker 3: derive from the Bay and from you specifically. I always
Speaker 3: felt like when Mustard, even his biggest records to me
Speaker 3: feel like Bay Area.
Speaker 2: I feel like Game Recognize Game. And if he did
Speaker 2: get a dose of it, I mean, he is West Coast.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 2: And he did a he did a better job than
Speaker 2: Bay Area people, you know, me producers. So he did
Speaker 2: his thing. And there's no disrespect to the Bay Area.
Speaker 2: You know, I mean, he he said 10 summers he
Speaker 2: was going to do it for 10 summers. He gained
Speaker 2: 20 summers now. You know what I'm saying? So I
Speaker 2: can't be mad at him, man. I told him, man,
Speaker 2: I ain't with all that hate shit, man. I don't
Speaker 2: like that shit, man. You know, so we all won.
Speaker 2: you know, one coast, man, you know what I'm saying?
Speaker 2: The sound, the sound is, uh, founded by just, you know, talent,
Speaker 2: true talent, like, you know, uh, heavy bass lines, you
Speaker 2: know what I mean? I've always loved up temples. You
Speaker 2: can go to some of my slaps back in the
Speaker 2: nineties and everything. I have up temples and whatnot. and
Speaker 2: party music. We mix it up. We got, I'm one
Speaker 2: of the motherfuckers that created the word. I am the
Speaker 2: guy that created the word mob music. So my music
Speaker 2: is a whole nother thing besides hyphy and T-phone. You
Speaker 2: feel me? So too short. I feel like him and, Him, me,
Speaker 2: Studio Tone, Be Legit, D Shot to Click, Sugar T.
Speaker 2: I feel like as producers, I feel like it's Studio Tone,
Speaker 2: Too Short. I feel like it's Ant Banks. I feel
Speaker 2: like it's Rick Rock. I feel like it's Sam Buster
Speaker 2: and Mike Mosley. I feel like it's, as far as
Speaker 2: mob music, you know what I'm saying? It's other ones
Speaker 2: out there. Where does Shock fit into that? Shock G.
Speaker 2: Shock G. I said, oh, you said, I didn't say
Speaker 2: Shock G, but you talking about Shock G? Yeah, from... Okay,
Speaker 2: I thought you were talking about, because I said Shot,
Speaker 2: my brother D-Shot, so. Oh, okay. Yeah, no, I'm talking
Speaker 2: about Shock G. But Shock G, oh, man, he the funk. Yeah.
Speaker 2: He wasn't mob music, he was just funky. Like, Shock G,
Speaker 2: one of the greatest producers of all time. But he
Speaker 2: wasn't mob music, but he played, he did party music, though.
Speaker 3: Yeah.
Speaker 2: You know, he's a spirit animal. You know what I mean?
Speaker 1: A lot of people didn't know exactly how musically inclined
Speaker 1: Shock G.
Speaker 2: Man, he played hella different instruments and stuff, they say,
Speaker 2: you know what I'm saying? And, you know, just an
Speaker 2: incredible guy, man. Shit, I used to slap his shit
Speaker 2: in my cutlass. That vroom, vroom, vroom, vroom.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 2: Real life on everything. Yeah. You feel me?
Speaker 1: What's the difference between, because a lot of people, you know,
Speaker 1: we from the East Coast, but we obviously do the music.
Speaker 1: you kind of take us through, you know, where you from,
Speaker 1: but what is the difference growing up in Vallejo versus
Speaker 1: like San Francisco?
Speaker 2: Like what is the biggest difference? Um, San Francisco, like
Speaker 2: when we wearing something a little more, um, light, they
Speaker 2: might have, on a puff jacket or something. Okay. Because they,
Speaker 2: I'm talking about, we on the water too. We all
Speaker 2: Bay Area. We got Mary Island water. Yeah. But they
Speaker 2: right there. They Alcatraz. They right there. Like, it get
Speaker 2: a little colder. So they got more of a New
Speaker 2: York type of look. You know, they wear them puff
Speaker 2: jackets and stuff like that and all that. You know,
Speaker 2: beanie caps and whatnot. But San Francisco got their own swag.
Speaker 2: You know what I mean? They got their own swag.
Speaker 2: We got our, they player, you know what I mean?
Speaker 2: A lot of the cats out there, especially them Fimo cats,
Speaker 2: You know what I'm saying? And you know what I mean?
Speaker 2: And so we we a small little city, Vallejo, especially
Speaker 2: growing up. We only had it. It wasn't that populated.
Speaker 2: It was like six or seven exits. Now it's a
Speaker 2: few more, probably probably 11. But, you know, Vallejo is
Speaker 2: a small city with lots of talent, lots of talent. But,
Speaker 2: you know, just some recent talent is like the SOBs,
Speaker 2: like Forrest, you know, been been. making, you know, nationwide,
Speaker 2: you know, nationwide noise. But, you know, we got, you know,
Speaker 2: I don't want to miss out on it because a
Speaker 2: whole bunch of young rappers that go crazy. You feel me?
Speaker 2: You know, it's a lot of talent out there. So
Speaker 2: I say, you know, of course, the click. I would say,
Speaker 2: you know, E-40 Mac Dre. Right. I would say. The
Speaker 2: click is me, B-Legit, D-Shot, Sugar T. Selly Sell, he
Speaker 2: from my neighborhood. He from Hollywood, Magazine Street and Hollywood Street.
Speaker 2: We grew up together. He's a gold recording artist. His
Speaker 2: record just went gold. We got Baby Bash. He got
Speaker 2: Platinum Records and whatnot. Baby Bash. Baby Bash is the shit.
Speaker 2: People think he from Houston, but he made his bones
Speaker 2: out there, but he started in Vallejo. Okay. You know
Speaker 2: what I mean? Yeah. So baby, you know, we can
Speaker 2: go on and on forever. You feel me?
Speaker 3: I saw when LaRusso was working his I'm from the
Speaker 3: Bay record. I love that he went to like each
Speaker 3: high school and shot a video and everything. But I
Speaker 3: did see in the comments of everyone from the Bay
Speaker 3: arguing what is the Bay and what isn't the Bay.
Speaker 2: Uh, they can't argue with Vallejo though. Vallejo's in that thing.
Speaker 2: You know, I saw that too. I meant to say that.
Speaker 2: Neff DeFerro. Neff DeFerro. You feel me?
Speaker 3: Um, LaRusso was like purposely trying to go to high schools.
Speaker 3: I think that word outside what people would call the Bay.
Speaker 2: Yeah. He was doing that.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 2: He would go to, uh, like Antioch and stuff like that.
Speaker 2: And Pittsburgh. And, um, I mean, we so close with
Speaker 2: the whole, I mean the whole, the whole Northern California, um,
Speaker 2: I don't even think we the size of Houston.
Speaker 3: Yeah.
Speaker 2: You know what I mean? And that's one city. So but,
Speaker 2: you know, the Bay is the Bay and it is
Speaker 2: cities that that are not the Bay, too. But that
Speaker 2: don't mean that they ain't got Bay cousins or their family.
Speaker 2: You know what I mean? They might have just been
Speaker 2: raised in, you know, they might have been born in
Speaker 2: the Bay, moved to that when they was three or four,
Speaker 2: you know. I don't even be tripping on that shit, man.
Speaker 2: You know what I'm saying? It's like we all locked in. Exactly. Yeah.
Speaker 2: I don't care about none of that shit. I'm just
Speaker 2: telling all through that thing. What's going on with the
Speaker 2: 49ers owner right now? I don't know. We be having
Speaker 2: our little lumps and bumps and stuff, man. We be
Speaker 2: having our little turbulence, man. You feel me? Yeah. He
Speaker 2: did it outside of the Bay, at least. Oh, you
Speaker 2: say he? Yeah, the owner. I thought you said what's
Speaker 2: going on with the 49ers. Oh, I meant the owner.
Speaker 2: The 49ers owner. Oh, that's right. He was on his
Speaker 2: way to get some lumps and bumps. Shit, man. He's human.
Speaker 2: Ain't he a free man? I don't know. Is he
Speaker 2: a free man? That's his business. I agree.
Speaker 1: If I was worth $ 8 billion, I don't know if
Speaker 1: I would be caught in that type of situation.
Speaker 2: I'm going to have it back. I'm like you. You
Speaker 2: never know. I'm a Bang Bang Niner gang fan for life.
Speaker 2: For sure. I got to just have his back. You
Speaker 2: see what I'm Period. You know?
Speaker 3: Because Robert Kraft, he got caught at that really low-end
Speaker 3: one in Florida.
Speaker 2: Like, that's their shit. Hey. Yeah, when you up there, though,
Speaker 2: you got to come on, man. We got to move
Speaker 2: a little different.
Speaker 1: But I want to talk about just you, E-40, as
Speaker 1: being the ambassador of the Bay and the icon that
Speaker 1: you are.
Speaker 2: You've been... There's.
Speaker 1: Nothing we look at in the Bay where we don't
Speaker 1: see E-40's presence. Whether it's the Warriors game, whether it's
Speaker 1: the 49ers... whether it's the Giants, like how have you
Speaker 1: been able to maintain such just like a relevance in
Speaker 1: the city throughout the generations?
Speaker 2: Like because a lot of.
Speaker 1: Times our icons, they kind of like once they get older,
Speaker 1: they fall back. But the young guys have it. We
Speaker 1: see them every now and again. We can't turn on
Speaker 1: our television watching anything from the Bay and not see E-40.
Speaker 2: Righteous. I, um, it's all natural, like an Afro with me,
Speaker 2: you know what I'm saying? When you get my age,
Speaker 2: you know, as you get older, you get wiser, you
Speaker 2: kind of want to live a more relaxing life as well.
Speaker 2: And I've always loved sports. So, you know, going to
Speaker 2: sporting events, things like that. Going to an Earth, Wind &
Speaker 2: Fire concert or something like that. That's the type of
Speaker 2: shit at my age I want to do. You know
Speaker 2: what I'm saying? And I'm still locked in with the
Speaker 2: youth and whatnot. You know what I'm saying? I keep
Speaker 2: my eye on the ball. You know, I'm never late
Speaker 2: like Holiday Freight. I'm gamed up. Keep my ear to
Speaker 2: the turf like a soccer cleat. You feel me? I'm
Speaker 2: just a different. I'm a different OG. Yeah. I'm really different. Yeah.
Speaker 2: One of none. Right. No, that's a fact.
Speaker 1: We talked about, away from the camera, we talked about
Speaker 1: just guys from the Bay. And we was talking about
Speaker 1: MC Hammer not getting the respect that I feel like
Speaker 1: he deserves. Growing up, MC Hammer was one of the
Speaker 1: first superstars that I can remember from our culture. But
Speaker 1: I feel like as a culture, we don't salute Hammer enough.
Speaker 2: I think we don't either. And I think that My
Speaker 2: big bro, I be wanting him to, you know what
Speaker 2: I mean? He's living this life. He ain't broke. He
Speaker 2: a solid dude. You know what I'm saying? It's just,
Speaker 2: I be wanting him to go out there and collect
Speaker 2: his flowers. I know people be reaching out to him.
Speaker 2: I know he will get a lot of love if
Speaker 2: he just go out. He could headline a festival tomorrow.
Speaker 2: He's legendary. I mean, this man sold way more records
Speaker 2: than me in too short. Hammer is goat. Yes, without
Speaker 2: a doubt. You know what I'm saying? This man was
Speaker 2: one of the first motherfuckers with diamond records. You know
Speaker 2: what I mean? Albums and shit. You feel me?
Speaker 1: He's one of the ones that, you know, I just
Speaker 1: as a coach, I feel I don't understand how we
Speaker 1: don't salute him. And like I said, I would love
Speaker 1: to see him out more. Obviously, he wants to live a.
Speaker 2: More private life.
Speaker 1: But like his story and the things that he accomplished
Speaker 1: and saw and did is. I feel like as a culture,
Speaker 1: we need to sit down and give them.
Speaker 2: I think they'll embrace him every podcast, everybody. Without a doubt.
Speaker 2: Because a lot of youngsters don't even know nothing about him. Right, right. Shit,
Speaker 2: a lot of them don't even know nothing about me. Right.
Speaker 2: You know what I mean? I don't know how, but
Speaker 2: they don't. I'm everywhere like air, all over the place
Speaker 2: like space, man.
Speaker 3: With hip hop in an amazing way, embracing independence. Um,
Speaker 3: was that always a Bay area thing per se? Cause
Speaker 3: I feel like specifically the Bay with its rappers, even
Speaker 3: Massapeed being from New Orleans and going up to Richmond
Speaker 3: and everything he did independently.
Speaker 2: Is that something y'all are taught at a young age?
Speaker 3: Cause that was, it was kind of taboo to be
Speaker 3: independent at the time that you guys were independent. Whereas
Speaker 3: now it's the most embraced thing.
Speaker 2: Period. There you go. We was out of our time. So,
Speaker 2: so you ever heard of, uh, The phrase by force,
Speaker 2: not by choice. You know how you be in a
Speaker 2: hood by force? You got to live in a hood
Speaker 2: by force, not by choice. That was us. We had
Speaker 2: to be independent by force, not by choice. but it
Speaker 2: turned out to be a great choice. More yaper, the
Speaker 2: whole woo-wah. More control, you feel me? Taking that more yaper.
Speaker 2: I'm taking that. Take it. I've been putting the whys
Speaker 2: over whatever before any. I'm taking yaper. I've been screaming
Speaker 2: yaper and all that. You know what I'm saying? But
Speaker 2: what it is is that Hammer, I mean not Hammer,
Speaker 2: but Master P, He was in the Bay doing his thing. Him,
Speaker 2: Silk the Shocker, his brother C-Murder, like his whole family.
Speaker 2: Sonia C, all of them, you know. And he was
Speaker 2: making his ways. He was doing his thing. And we
Speaker 2: was doing our thing. We had a little more edge
Speaker 2: because we had talent like them and everything. P and
Speaker 2: them family, the Miller family, remind me of the Stevens family.
Speaker 2: And I'll tell you why. He has Silk, his brother,
Speaker 2: and he has C-Murder, his brother. You feel me? And then,
Speaker 2: and I believe, I don't know if he was married,
Speaker 2: but his baby mom was Sonia C. She was a rapper.
Speaker 2: I had, I had my, my, my, uh, my brother
Speaker 2: D shot. That's Danelle Stevens. Uh, my sister sugar tea
Speaker 2: that sings sprinkle me with me. That's Tanina Stevens. You
Speaker 2: got Earl Stevens. That's me. You had the line Stevens.
Speaker 2: That's my little bro. He, you know, gig and dance
Speaker 2: and all that. So he was hyphy before they even
Speaker 2: named the shit hyphy. You feel me? And then you
Speaker 2: have Be Legit, which is our cousin. That's Brent Jones.
Speaker 2: So it's like we family, they family. You know what
Speaker 2: I'm saying? And, you know, ASP seeing us doing our thing,
Speaker 2: you know, like really making it unfold, like really selling records.
Speaker 2: Like he hollered at St. Charles, my uncle St. Charles,
Speaker 2: my real uncle, my mama's brother. They come from a
Speaker 2: family of 11. They got the same mom and daddy, St. Charles,
Speaker 2: Charles Thurman. You know what I'm saying?
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 2: Um, so St. Charles had records in the seventies, like
Speaker 2: in the early seventies, he knew how to do the thing.
Speaker 2: So he taught us the independent hustle. Okay. He did
Speaker 2: the artwork for our first little EP called MVP. That
Speaker 2: was 88. And then I say, man, I want to
Speaker 2: change our name to the click. I want to be
Speaker 2: at first most valuable players. You know what I'm saying?
Speaker 2: And then I was like, I want to change our
Speaker 2: name to the click. So right away we turned it
Speaker 2: to the click. You know what I'm saying? He had
Speaker 2: sick with the records, you know, he taught me how
Speaker 2: to do my own label. He taught me everything as
Speaker 2: when I was young, because he was like, you know
Speaker 2: how uncle is always like a second dad. That's what
Speaker 2: he was to us. And so, and he's still living
Speaker 2: to this day. So what I'm saying is he came over,
Speaker 2: he hollered at him as well as P he put
Speaker 2: he gave P a lot of advice he worked with
Speaker 2: him it wasn't just advice they worked together made money
Speaker 2: together they made millions together you feel me and then
Speaker 2: JT the bigger figure came over okay you know JT
Speaker 2: came after P You know what I'm saying? Or vice versa.
Speaker 2: One of them can't. I was first. They know that, right?
Speaker 2: You know what I'm saying? So anyway, but they all,
Speaker 2: you know, the independent, that shit was born there, man. We,
Speaker 2: you know, we had a one, we had a small
Speaker 2: one shot, but I first started, we first started with
Speaker 2: selling tapes out the trunk of the car. Yeah. So
Speaker 2: I'm talking about what consignment sheets and shit. They used
Speaker 2: to call me business zero because I'll pull up at
Speaker 2: M & M Liquor, drop off like 15, 20 cassettes,
Speaker 2: 30 cassettes and something like that or CDs or whatever
Speaker 2: we had at that time. We even had vinyl. And so,
Speaker 2: you know what I'm saying? And I'll put it on
Speaker 2: consignment and drop it off. They call me and say, hey,
Speaker 2: we out of CDs or cassettes or whatever. And then
Speaker 2: I bring them 30, 40 more. You feel me? And
Speaker 2: then it went like that. And that's just one little store.
Speaker 2: So I did that all around the Bay Area and whatnot.
Speaker 2: Then we had a one-stop called Music People. Music People.
Speaker 2: And we had another one called City Hall Records. So
Speaker 2: City Hall Records was our main hub. So St. Charles
Speaker 2: created this system where you do a sales sheet. On
Speaker 2: that sales sheet, it was kind of like you put
Speaker 2: everything about yourself, who you've been in concert with, and
Speaker 2: all that stuff. And then you got the barcode on there.
Speaker 2: You got the album cover on it. And so you
Speaker 2: send that out with like five CDs to every mom
Speaker 2: and pop store or any... Yeah, any mom and pop
Speaker 2: star that dealt with rap music. Okay. So he had
Speaker 2: a big-ass book like this before the internet, a big-ass
Speaker 2: book just like that thick. I'm telling you right now.
Speaker 2: And that was his magical book because in that book,
Speaker 2: he just did his due diligence, called every state. Mm-hmm.
Speaker 2: You know, just deep south, midwest, everywhere. Anybody who dealt
Speaker 2: with rap music, and we'll send them out through Pitney Bowles,
Speaker 2: I believe. I think I'm saying it right. It's UPS. Okay. Ground.
Speaker 2: So it might get there two, three weeks later. But
Speaker 2: once they got it, the store owners will look at it.
Speaker 2: They'll put it in their thing, play that shit. They're
Speaker 2: looking at the cover because they know it's attractive because
Speaker 2: it got, you know, trues and vogues, zeniths and vogues. Right.
Speaker 2: We on there with cutlasses, and we look like... you know,
Speaker 2: you look like something, you look like something, right. You know,
Speaker 2: so all the cast is, um, you know, living that
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Speaker 2: the CD, um, and they are there here on planet
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Speaker 3: Because we had Juvie up here last week who actually
Speaker 3: even said that he thought Master P was from the Bay.
Speaker 3: Didn't even know they went to the same high school
Speaker 3: at some point. Like he was like, I thought he
Speaker 3: was from California. Um, how'd you go about picking these,
Speaker 3: these features?
Speaker 2: Juvie being one of them. Oh man, you don't understand
Speaker 2: how far I go backwards cash money. Hmm. I'm an
Speaker 2: old fossil, man. I'm, boy, boy, I've been doing this
Speaker 2: shit since Kermit the Frog was a Polly walker. You
Speaker 2: know what I mean? So, me and Birdman and Master P,
Speaker 2: all of us, we go way back. But, but, but Juvie,
Speaker 2: that's my partner. He just did the Visnidia with me
Speaker 2: in the year. You feel me? And, you know what
Speaker 2: I'm saying? That's my real friend. You feel me? We
Speaker 2: are family. And, you know, I feel like I'm, I'm a,
Speaker 2: I'm a, Louisiana motherfucker. I went to Graham state university.
Speaker 2: I went to school with Jubilee. You know, Jubilee is
Speaker 2: real new Orleans. Yeah. You know what I'm saying? I
Speaker 2: went to school with cats like that. And that's, they
Speaker 2: pilot too. You know, everybody, you know what I'm saying?
Speaker 2: No him. And, um, just me being out there, my
Speaker 2: granddaddy from Bernice, Louisiana, you understand me? Grandma from Homer, um,
Speaker 2: you know, and my daddy from Mississippi and just being,
Speaker 2: I feel like I'm a, a South city boy or something.
Speaker 2: I don't know. I don't know what to call it.
Speaker 2: You know, I just got this South in me, you
Speaker 2: know what I mean? Yeah. So when I first met, met, um, Birdman,
Speaker 2: it was 1996. I was on my Hall of Game, uh,
Speaker 2: tour for the Hall of Game, uh, album. Um, and, uh,
Speaker 2: I was at the radio station in New Orleans and,
Speaker 2: and I see, I see, uh, like a shorter dude
Speaker 2: and a super tall dude. Um, And the tall dude
Speaker 2: was his brother Slim. And then it was Birdman, Beatrice.
Speaker 2: And he was like, hey, man, I'm Beatrice, man. Just
Speaker 2: before he called himself Birdman. You know what I'm saying?
Speaker 2: And he was like, man, I'm, you know, hey, man,
Speaker 2: we salute you. We fuck with you. You know what
Speaker 2: I'm saying? Much love. I was just coming in. They
Speaker 2: was going out. And we, ever since then, we've been cool.
Speaker 2: And so... Um, I had got on their, uh, baller blocking, um,
Speaker 2: a song with them, uh, did the vision video. They
Speaker 2: flew me out, did the vision video, kicked it with
Speaker 2: them through the whole weekend. We went, we did, I
Speaker 2: was supposed to, I was so fucking drunk on the,
Speaker 2: on the tour bus. Juvenile attorney told the story too.
Speaker 2: With all of us on the bus, me, Cavio, Muggsy,
Speaker 2: all of us on the motherfucking bus, old Meesey, all
Speaker 2: of us on the bus with Cat, all the cats,
Speaker 2: money cats. We had a couple of buses and we doing,
Speaker 2: they did two visit videos that whole weekend while we
Speaker 2: was out. No, they did three. We did one and
Speaker 2: then they did two more out there. You feel me?
Speaker 2: Like they did back that ass up. I was so drunk.
Speaker 2: I had a hangover, bro. I was on the bus
Speaker 2: during the whole time. You know what I'm saying?
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 2: But one of the first cameos I did with them
Speaker 2: was BG, Cash Money is an Army, better yet than Navy.
Speaker 2: And I was on there popping my collar. Birdman was like, 40,
Speaker 2: do that thing you be doing with your collar. And
Speaker 2: I was like, it is right here, you feel me?
Speaker 2: So if you go look at that, visit Nitto, you'll
Speaker 2: see 40 water way back then. And that thing, you
Speaker 2: feel me? So we all locked in, you feel me? No, definitely.
Speaker 1: But do you feel like with the South in particular,
Speaker 1: I feel like because, like you said, Vallejo and the
Speaker 1: Order Bay, y'all had to do.
Speaker 2: Because it was always L.A.
Speaker 1: People talk about California, especially when it comes to hip-hop,
Speaker 1: it was always L.A. Do you feel like y'all kind
Speaker 1: of had to make y'all bones and let people know
Speaker 1: we got a story, too?
Speaker 2: Fucking right.
Speaker 1: I say that about the South, too, because it was
Speaker 1: kind of like that with the South. Not until you
Speaker 1: started really listening to Catch, you're like, oh, we all
Speaker 1: got kind of the same story. We all from the hood,
Speaker 1: but we just say it different. We got different slang.
Speaker 1: But do you feel like there was things that y'all
Speaker 1: had to do to kind of be recognized more because
Speaker 1: obviously being from the Bay, but then having to deal
Speaker 1: with the whole wave coming out of Los Angeles and
Speaker 1: then the South, they had to make their bones because
Speaker 1: it's like, we're not LA, we're not the West coast.
Speaker 1: We're not the East coast, but we also got something
Speaker 1: to say.
Speaker 2: Absolutely. You know, LA is the bigger place, the bigger name,
Speaker 2: you know? And so that's what they think off top.
Speaker 2: Cause I, I had partners hit me and just like 40, man,
Speaker 2: I'm out here. I'm out here. I'm out. No, they
Speaker 2: say 40, I'm out here in the Bay. And I'll
Speaker 2: be like, where you at? Um, off of Crenshaw. And
Speaker 2: I'm like, I say, man, family, y'all like seven hour drive,
Speaker 2: give or take with traffic, you know, uh, 55 minute flight.
Speaker 2: They don't know two different cultures, but we all fuck
Speaker 2: with each other. You know what I'm saying? Uh, you know,
Speaker 2: penitentiary wise and everything, you feel me? For sure. And
Speaker 2: so we ride, you know, but I was like, um, uh,
Speaker 2: you know, I always said that if it was an
Speaker 2: airplane that was just going around doing a tour and
Speaker 2: it was like, Yeah, they'll go L.A. right there, woo
Speaker 2: after woo. They'll go Compton. They'll go Watts. They'll go this.
Speaker 2: They'll go that. And then they go, and then they say,
Speaker 2: they'll go San Diego. No, I wouldn't even say San
Speaker 2: Diego because they get looked over, too. I'll say, and
Speaker 2: if they went by the bay, they'd be like, and
Speaker 2: there's some Alcatraz. Then they just keep going. They won't
Speaker 2: care about it. They don't care. Like, we did have
Speaker 2: to make our bones. We had to go hard. Like,
Speaker 2: we the most gamed up in the world. We got
Speaker 2: the most game than anybody in the world.
Speaker 3: Mm-hmm.
Speaker 2: At least back when I was coming up. Right. That's
Speaker 2: all we specialize in. Mm-hmm. You know what I mean? Yeah.
Speaker 2: Swag and pizzazz.
Speaker 3: Right.
Speaker 2: Being gamed up. Yeah. You feel me?
Speaker 1: That was definitely one of the first things being, you know,
Speaker 1: growing up in the East Coast when we started getting
Speaker 1: hip to who E-40 was. The first thing we recognized
Speaker 1: was it's a lot of style.
Speaker 3: Mm-hmm.
Speaker 1: A lot of like, just the slang and the way
Speaker 1: you talk. Then it was like the music.
Speaker 2: Right.
Speaker 1: But the music, when we first started hearing E-40, I
Speaker 1: remember first hearing your music, it was like, Oh, the.
Speaker 2: Way he talked, this is him.
Speaker 1: Like there's no separation from seeing an E-40, interviewing E-40 just.
Speaker 2: Chilling versus when the music come on. It's the same person.
Speaker 2: That's me. Have you ever been in a situation where.
Speaker 1: you know, coming up, somebody you wanted to work with
Speaker 1: and you finally got the opportunity to meet them and
Speaker 1: talk to them, was it ever something where it was like, damn,
Speaker 1: this guy wasn't the way I expected it to be? Like,
Speaker 1: just the interaction wasn't what you expected it to be?
Speaker 2: Because you coming back from, like you said, the 80s.
Speaker 1: So it's guys that we probably look at, we don't remember,
Speaker 1: but it was like, did you remember ever meeting somebody like, damn,
Speaker 1: I want to work with this dude? And then you
Speaker 1: meet him and it's like, damn, the feelings wasn't, it
Speaker 1: just wasn't a connection there.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I'll be doing some good interviews. Man, you know what?
Speaker 2: I definitely have met a couple of cats like that.
Speaker 2: They kind of hurt my heart.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 2: You know what I mean? Okay. But I don't even
Speaker 2: want to say their names. No, we ain't got to
Speaker 2: do that. But just you being a legend. I have.
Speaker 2: I have. We don't hear about the legends being disappointed.
Speaker 2: And guess what? You don't even hear about the motherfuckers
Speaker 2: like you hear about me, man. You feel me? Right. Yeah, man.
Speaker 2: I'll last with these niggas. You hear me? Yeah, man. Yeah.
Speaker 2: In real life. Yeah. I'm right here. 2,000 wild 26, though.
Speaker 2: Still here. You feel me? 2026 on they bitch ass
Speaker 2: quadruple album hello now dropping four of them things man
Speaker 2: how um how have you kept up with that longevity
Speaker 2: cause Maul and I are 10 years apart you've had
Speaker 2: hit records when he was in.
Speaker 3: High school when I was in high school when I
Speaker 3: went to college like you've stayed consistent. And it also
Speaker 3: didn't feel like you were forcing it. Like it's too
Speaker 3: old to be here type vibe, which we get, I
Speaker 3: think with people that started out in the eighties into
Speaker 3: this time, how, how have you stayed so relevant yet
Speaker 3: so much yourself and not even chasing the new sound
Speaker 3: in the Bay? Yeah. You didn't sound weird on, on
Speaker 3: the stupid dumb high fee when I was in high school,
Speaker 3: little B and everything going on.
Speaker 2: Absolutely. How do you maintain that type of longevity? So
Speaker 2: first and foremost, I got a lot of faith in God.
Speaker 2: My granddaddy, I was telling you about from Bernice, Louisiana,
Speaker 2: he's a preacher. We grew up in a church house
Speaker 2: and he always told me, stay prayed up, keep the faith.
Speaker 2: You know what I'm saying? God has always answered my prayers.
Speaker 2: It might not have been right on time, but he's
Speaker 2: always been there. I'm a true believer in the Lord.
Speaker 2: I'm a true believer because I've seen it. Out of
Speaker 2: all these years I've been on this planet. You know
Speaker 2: what I mean? So anyway, I grew a talent for
Speaker 2: playing drums. Back in the days, I played drums. I
Speaker 2: got in the band when I was in the fourth grade,
Speaker 2: played all the way to 12th grade. And, you know,
Speaker 2: at that time, it wasn't Pro Tools. It wasn't logic.
Speaker 2: So we had to do things manually. Drums, being in
Speaker 2: the music, that's how we did it. You know what
Speaker 2: I'm saying? So I really got a passion for rapping.
Speaker 2: When I first heard the Sugarhill Gang in 1979, I
Speaker 2: knew what I wanted to do. I knew I wanted
Speaker 2: to be in music, first and foremost, off top. But
Speaker 2: I knew I wanted to rap because there was some
Speaker 2: unique shit to me, man. Like, what the fuck is this?
Speaker 2: You know, that was my first rap I ever heard.
Speaker 2: The Sugarhill Gang, rappers delight.
Speaker 3: Yeah.
Speaker 2: 79 i think i was 11 years old same time
Speaker 2: and uh i was rapping but just fucking around with
Speaker 2: me and the homies you know what i'm saying but
Speaker 2: i wasn't putting out music yet my first my first
Speaker 2: uh ep came out in 1988 you know what i'm
Speaker 2: saying like in tower records and shit like that rainbow
Speaker 2: records and you know ty uzis and you know what
Speaker 2: i'm saying seventh heaventh and all these mom and pop
Speaker 2: stories across the nation we start getting it out there
Speaker 2: but anyway make a long story short um i i
Speaker 2: just so happen to be um you know, one of
Speaker 2: those dudes that have been, they've been relevant in every
Speaker 2: era of hip hop and I'm grateful for it. You know,
Speaker 2: the majority of every era of hip hop and, and
Speaker 2: that's by keeping my eye on the ball, um, you know, um,
Speaker 2: staying updated, not outdated, uh, being myself, having a foundation
Speaker 2: that a soil cause I'm from the trenches. I'm really
Speaker 2: from it. I, you know, I, I was a hustler
Speaker 2: BR before rap and, um, You know what I'm saying?
Speaker 2: Had my ups and downs. Wasn't always up. Right. That's life.
Speaker 3: Yeah.
Speaker 2: You know what I mean? I know how to make
Speaker 2: it look like I'm at my best when I'm at
Speaker 2: my worst. Right. You ain't gonna catch me out of
Speaker 2: pocket sweating. You know what I'm saying? You know what
Speaker 2: I'm saying? I'm gonna stay on my P's and toes, man. Right, right.
Speaker 2: Never get caught digging in my nose, you know what
Speaker 2: I mean? Right, right. Yeah, yeah.
Speaker 1: As somebody that has seen so many different transitions in
Speaker 1: the culture of hip hop, like you said, pretty much
Speaker 1: 40 years in the game, um, How do you feel
Speaker 1: about this whole new AI thing? Because we've seen Dr.
Speaker 1: Dre recently embrace it, Rick Rue embrace it. All of
Speaker 1: the legends that we kind of felt in talking to
Speaker 1: each other, we felt like, nah, they wouldn't be with that.
Speaker 2: But I love.
Speaker 1: The fact that DJ Quick came out and was like,
Speaker 1: I'm not with that. I'm not really into the AI thing.
Speaker 1: As somebody who has seen so many different transitions from
Speaker 1: the business side and technology and the way you even
Speaker 1: put out music, How does E-40 feel about the whole
Speaker 1: AI thing?
Speaker 2: I think it's the way, if you're going to use it,
Speaker 2: use it uniquely. I think you got to turn what
Speaker 2: the times are the times to turn on you. Right.
Speaker 2: Because this shit is too far ahead. It's locked in
Speaker 2: for life. I think it's not going anywhere. Right. Eventually,
Speaker 2: you're going to use it some type of way. Whether
Speaker 2: you're like, shit, hey, I need you to... Shit, I
Speaker 2: don't know how would I say this. Give me... give
Speaker 2: me a, uh, make somebody sound like he 40. I
Speaker 2: don't know. You know, how would you feel about that though?
Speaker 1: Like if somebody took your whole, the whole E 40
Speaker 1: style person persona and they put out a record and
Speaker 1: say it shoots to the top of the chart, how
Speaker 1: would you feel about that?
Speaker 2: I'm kind of like, we're quick to be honest with you,
Speaker 2: but I know producers use it in certain ways, you know,
Speaker 2: long as they really plan their music and stuff, you know, and, um,
Speaker 2: I really can't call it, bro. I don't know. I
Speaker 2: can't say I'm going to never use it. I won't
Speaker 2: use it to write my shit or nothing. Right, right.
Speaker 2: None of that shit. Right, right, right. You feel me?
Speaker 3: Yeah.
Speaker 2: None of that. Yeah. Yeah. Put it that way. That's that.
Speaker 3: Did that affect the music in the Bay when like
Speaker 3: that whole tech shit hit San Francisco and just the
Speaker 3: outer areas there? Yeah.
Speaker 2: What do you mean?
Speaker 3: I mean, I know it's a little open-ended, but I
Speaker 3: feel like San Francisco took on the brunt of every startup,
Speaker 3: every technology company moved there. And I'm sure the city
Speaker 3: changed drastically. Did that affect the music scene at all?
Speaker 2: Oh, hell no. I'll be seeing all them cats, all
Speaker 2: the startup company guys. I'll be seeing them when I'm
Speaker 2: courtside at the Warriors game and whatnot. I'll be seeing
Speaker 2: them cast. They made some good decisions in life. Absolutely.
Speaker 2: And that's why they so yapered up. You feel me? Right.
Speaker 2: But no, it ain't affect the music scene. The music scene, man,
Speaker 2: I just feel like I just want my Bay Area
Speaker 2: cast to go back to the Bay Area. We starting
Speaker 2: to say gang and yeah gang and I'm like I
Speaker 2: heard somebody saying it I'm like when we start talking
Speaker 2: like everybody else we always been trendsetters bro like what
Speaker 2: a trendsetter is that and then in a game that
Speaker 2: we still the game that we got left for you
Speaker 2: know what I'm saying the game that we got left
Speaker 2: it's really like recycle game from when I was coming
Speaker 2: up when I was a young mustache. It's like, you
Speaker 2: just recycling it. Y'all don't know. We say anything y'all saying,
Speaker 2: we already said that shit many moons ago. You feel me? Right.
Speaker 2: So I don't know. I mean, I just feel like
Speaker 2: I'm not bashing the new generation and then like, the
Speaker 2: youth but it's like we more creative debate we more
Speaker 2: creative than what we've been doing lately man you know
Speaker 2: what I'm saying we've never been followers we've always been.
Speaker 1: Leaders we say the same thing about artists from New
Speaker 1: York and just the way they create and make music
Speaker 1: and the things that they say we like that's not
Speaker 1: even that don't even feel like New York but I
Speaker 1: think social media because we've all been kind of put into.
Speaker 2: This That might have something to do with it.
Speaker 1: We can see how everybody else talk, how they dress,
Speaker 1: how they create. So you don't even realize it. You
Speaker 1: take it on that energy and now it comes out
Speaker 1: in your creation.
Speaker 2: Right. Subliminally, it can be self-subliminally. It can just, yeah,
Speaker 2: I see what you're saying.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 2: I try to be open-minded, man. I ain't bashing nobody.
Speaker 1: But one thing about it, you have not changed anything.
Speaker 2: Slang persona charisma.
Speaker 1: Style e40 is e40 like it's there's no changing who
Speaker 1: e40 is let's talk about um la russell and everything
Speaker 1: that he's been able to build and create um how
Speaker 1: special was that for you to watch what he's doing
Speaker 1: well um one of my guys that do security his
Speaker 1: name and he was like man i want to put
Speaker 1: you up on my boy la russell man he you
Speaker 1: know um he worked with my boy Juan and he
Speaker 1: was like, you know what I'm saying? He was like, man,
Speaker 1: he said, man, I want you to, uh, get a
Speaker 1: dose of him, man. I said, man, let me hear him.
Speaker 2: And he, and he sent me a social and everything.
Speaker 2: And I started following him. I said, start seeing how
Speaker 2: he do his thing. And then he put me together
Speaker 2: with him. We start talking and shit. And I just like,
Speaker 2: I like his vibe. I like everything he doing. Just
Speaker 2: a positive guy. You know what I'm saying? And, um,
Speaker 2: you know, I got nothing, especially being from Vallejo.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 2: He's from Northern, he's from North Vallejo.
Speaker 1: Mm-hmm.
Speaker 2: You know what I'm saying? And I was, I was
Speaker 2: just happy for him, man, you know, and, um, you know,
Speaker 2: it started getting bigger and bigger, making a lot of noise, and, um,
Speaker 2: You know, I rock with him, man. I really do.
Speaker 2: I love positive people. Right. The man ain't bothering nobody. Right.
Speaker 2: You know what I mean? There's people hating on him.
Speaker 2: You know, people, first and foremost, you know, he had
Speaker 2: went through his little, you know, backlash for the situation with,
Speaker 2: what was it again? The Heaven Sent. Yeah, that shit, right?
Speaker 3: Yeah.
Speaker 2: I was like, I kicked back because, you know, I'm
Speaker 2: real smart. As I get older, I get wiser. I'm like,
Speaker 2: I bet all these motherfuckers couldn't wait for him to
Speaker 2: do some type of hiccup. All these old hating ass
Speaker 2: motherfuckers on the sidelines.
Speaker 3: Especially when you build your presence online the way he did. Right.
Speaker 2: They can't wait for the day you say one wrong thing.
Speaker 2: They've been waiting. They've been waiting. They do that with me.
Speaker 2: Motherfuckers sit back and look at every little day observe
Speaker 2: every little thing bitch ass motherfuckers that's what they really
Speaker 2: do some hoe ass motherfuckers these days bro yeah for
Speaker 2: sure you know they overanalyze and shit and they try
Speaker 2: to put conspiracy shit together and shit like leave the
Speaker 2: rustle on man that man ain't bothering nobody man let
Speaker 2: that man do his thing.
Speaker 1: What he's been able to build i mean you know
Speaker 1: i've been a fan of the culture and hip-hop forever
Speaker 1: but we've never I've never seen something like I'm talking
Speaker 1: about at the crib yeah never build that what he
Speaker 1: built I mean I've never seen anything like that so
Speaker 1: we definitely support and salute him but the fact that
Speaker 1: he's from the town he's from the city where you
Speaker 1: from yeah I mean it has to be just something
Speaker 1: that you look at.
Speaker 2: I'm happy for him man I'm happy for him bro
Speaker 2: yeah you know what I mean positive guy you know,
Speaker 2: the youth look up to him, like the little youngsters,
Speaker 2: you know, be giving people opportunities, man. He's just a
Speaker 2: positive vibe, good spirit. You know what I'm saying? Like that.
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Speaker 2: You fuck with Simba? Yeah, I like Simba. Simba's one
Speaker 2: of the coldest motherfuckers born. Yeah. Simba's definitely one of
Speaker 2: my favorite rappers. I'm going to be honest with you.
Speaker 2: The dopest freestyler that I ever heard is like, I'm
Speaker 2: going to say Richie Rich. I'm going to say Mr.
Speaker 2: Fab and Simba. Mr. Fab. I'm going to keep it
Speaker 2: one thou wild. Freestyle? I don't know how to freestyle. Yeah.
Speaker 2: You don't know how to freestyle? I don't know how
Speaker 2: to freestyle. I'm just paystyle on mine, man. Paystyle. Paystyle.
Speaker 2: I don't know how to do it. I never knew
Speaker 2: how to do it. I probably could if I really started,
Speaker 2: you know, you know what I mean? I'm, you know,
Speaker 2: like that, but yeah.
Speaker 1: What do you think about the current, the current state
Speaker 1: though of just music overall? Um, especially hip hop.
Speaker 2: Lots of talent, but too many people that sound alike. Right.
Speaker 2: Lots of talent, too many people sound alike. I know it's,
Speaker 2: it's probably like easy for me to say, cause I
Speaker 2: know I got a unique voice and I'm one of none.
Speaker 2: And I, But you had to be that at some point.
Speaker 1: Right.
Speaker 2: That's what you were supposed to be.
Speaker 3: Right.
Speaker 1: You weren't supposed to sound like nobody, look like nobody.
Speaker 1: That was actually frowned upon.
Speaker 2: You peeped that, right? Back in the 90s and the
Speaker 2: 80s and all that. We all had to have our
Speaker 2: own identification. 100%. Busta Rhyme had his thing. Q-Tip had
Speaker 2: his thing. You understand me? Chuck D had his thing.
Speaker 2: You understand me? Snoopy Dogg had his thing. You feel me?
Speaker 2: Warren G had his thing. You're like, hey, it's too
Speaker 2: many motherfucking sound tools. DMX had his shit. You feel me? Right.
Speaker 2: Jay-Z had his thing. Now, like everybody had their own
Speaker 2: voice and name. I mean, voice and identification. And and
Speaker 2: it's everybody sounded like that.
Speaker 1: But that's why I can't get with the thing, because
Speaker 1: I feel like. It's literally stripping originality. Right.
Speaker 2: It is.
Speaker 1: It's like, let's pull from what we already have. Let's
Speaker 1: kind of emulate that and give that same vibe where
Speaker 1: it's like, that wasn't what this was at first, though.
Speaker 1: You were supposed to be unique, and we embraced originality
Speaker 1: in hip hop. Now it's, can you do that again?
Speaker 2: Right, right, right. I just can't. I can't get with that.
Speaker 2: I agree with you. Yeah, I can't get with that.
Speaker 2: I agree 100%.
Speaker 1: Quadruple album. Is there anybody... That you haven't worked with
Speaker 1: over the years, E-40, that you're looking forward to one
Speaker 1: day saying, I want to create, I want to get
Speaker 1: in the.
Speaker 2: Studio with this guy. It is some people. Let me think, though.
Speaker 2: And women in hip hop as well. OK.
Speaker 1: Because I think E-40, I think E-40, Meg Thee Stallion,
Speaker 1: I think that might that might the walls in the
Speaker 1: club might come down if E-40 and Meg.
Speaker 2: Get something together. I'm going to talk to T Ferris
Speaker 2: and my, my, my, my, my publicist over there. Yeah.
Speaker 2: I want to see the, I want to see the Viznitio.
Speaker 2: Put it together like the weather. Right. I want to
Speaker 2: see the Viznitio. Let me see the Viznitio. Viznitio. You know,
Speaker 2: put a Viznitio together. You hear me? Hello? Yeah. That'd
Speaker 2: be dope. Um, I want to work with Nas, man. Ooh.
Speaker 2: I'm going to do a song with Nas. Wow. And
Speaker 2: I want to do a Nas type of slap. I
Speaker 2: want him on one of my slaps. Yeah. Up-tempo. Okay.
Speaker 2: With hella bass line, like a hunting tempo with a
Speaker 2: bass line. I think he'll go crazy because that shorty. Yeah.
Speaker 2: Do what you like. Yeah, yeah, yeah. And back it up.
Speaker 2: That's my shit right there. That's one of them ones. Yeah.
Speaker 2: That's not like a Bay Area. Yeah, definitely. You feel me? Yeah, definitely.
Speaker 2: That's how I know. Wasn't that his record? Yeah. That's
Speaker 2: how I know we'll kill it. Yeah. Nas, let's do it.
Speaker 2: Is this your first time working with Havoc on this? Yeah,
Speaker 2: I always wanted to work with Mobb D, bro. That's fine.
Speaker 2: Havoc could make that connection, I'm sure. Yeah, I'm hollering
Speaker 2: at him. Yeah, Havoc on the album. I was happy
Speaker 2: to do a record with him, man. Is Havoc production
Speaker 2: and rapping? Nope, a dude by the name of Ted
Speaker 2: Digital did the slap. Okay. You know what I mean?
Speaker 2: But I wanted to pattern it to be in the
Speaker 2: same category as Havoc shit, as Win or Lose. Okay.
Speaker 2: Because that's one of my favorite songs in the world. Wow.
Speaker 2: Win or Lose by Mobb D? Yeah. Hell yeah. Come on, man.
Speaker 2: That's one of the ones.
Speaker 1: Who was the first East Coast rapper that you could
Speaker 1: remember hearing, like, yo, I like this dude?
Speaker 2: You really want to know? Yeah, I do. Hmm. Melly Mayle.
Speaker 2: That makes so much sense. Melly Mel. That makes so
Speaker 2: much sense. Grandmaster Flash and the Furious Five, Melly Mel, man.
Speaker 2: That makes so much sense. Goat. Yeah, absolutely. You know?
Speaker 2: I mean, he's been doing his shit since Moby Dick
Speaker 2: was a goldfish. Right, right. Spitting it from a New
Speaker 2: York point of view. Yeah, right. If you're gamed up,
Speaker 2: you can relate to it. A square won't be able
Speaker 2: to size it up. Right, that's a fact. You feel me?
Speaker 3: Yeah.
Speaker 2: So, Melly Mel, I would go with... uh what's the
Speaker 2: boy name schoolie g right uh i would go with
Speaker 2: um you talking about east coast right yeah shit just
Speaker 2: ice was my guy just ice he's been talking about
Speaker 2: cold get dumb him and the mantronics and all yeah
Speaker 2: yeah come on man but uh ice you feel me
Speaker 2: um who else uh uh um Man, KRS-One, bro, back
Speaker 2: in the days, he used to go crazy. So, are
Speaker 2: you a philosopher?
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 2: Yes. Yeah, I think very deeply. Yeah. What's the one... Um, um,
Speaker 2: now there's beans with my dad. Now there's beans with my,
Speaker 2: what is it? Now there's steak with my beans and rice.
Speaker 2: What song? Love's going to get you. Yeah. Love's going
Speaker 2: to get you. Love's going to get you. One of
Speaker 2: the greatest hip hop songs of all time. Yeah. But
Speaker 2: if you want to move forward to talk about some,
Speaker 2: some East coast, um, um, Jay-Z, when my boys started
Speaker 2: hearing Jay-Z, my partners, and they was like, man, he,
Speaker 2: because we, we, we so, in the Bay, we like,
Speaker 2: you know, you heard the terminology, game, recognize game, right?
Speaker 2: We recognize game. So hearing, hearing somebody from the East
Speaker 2: Coast spit some game about they self, it was Jay,
Speaker 2: it was Jay, and it was Biggie too. He asked
Speaker 2: the game about the self too. For sure. But, but,
Speaker 2: but Jay, when we heard he was, all my partners,
Speaker 2: they was like, That nigga got some game about himself.
Speaker 2: He might be from the game. You know what I'm saying?
Speaker 2: I'm telling you. And then I talked to a few
Speaker 2: of my partners from the pen. They call me collector
Speaker 2: where they, yeah, if we fuck with the nigga Jay-Z,
Speaker 2: my partner, some of my partners in here, they say
Speaker 2: he was really in that shit. You know what I'm saying?
Speaker 2: You feel me? To see him blossom from the streets
Speaker 2: to where he at now you can't do nothing but
Speaker 2: take your hat off man that's the fact you know what.
Speaker 3: I'm saying i know um you've talked about that biggie
Speaker 3: story before with the phone call that that you guys
Speaker 3: had when he was in sacramento legendary um.
Speaker 2: Mind you i'm so gamed up and so player and
Speaker 2: you know what i'm saying my my antics is my
Speaker 2: i'm not like a lot of I'm not like a
Speaker 2: lot of niggas, man. I never spoke on that. I
Speaker 2: never was going to say anything about it. His security
Speaker 2: is out of nowhere. You feel me? I don't want
Speaker 2: no brownie points from that shit.
Speaker 3: I don't even particularly care to talk about the side
Speaker 3: of what he was talking about.
Speaker 2: I just thought it was great that you guys could
Speaker 2: get on the phone.
Speaker 3: Because obviously he said something that was foul to begin with.
Speaker 3: And you found a way to just squash it and
Speaker 3: speak like men. So More so, I want to know
Speaker 3: what you guys talked about on that phone call. Not
Speaker 3: the rah-rah story and everything else, but just what the
Speaker 3: two of you guys spoke about on the phone.
Speaker 2: That story was said several times, but I can move
Speaker 2: forward and tell you when I seen him in Vegas,
Speaker 2: me and Wifey about maybe... Hey, when we seen him?
Speaker 2: About two months after him and Puffy? Yep. About two
Speaker 2: months later in Vegas in the lobby of MGM. We
Speaker 2: had already squashed, so, you know, we... you know, we
Speaker 2: took the picture. I don't know if you've seen the picture. Me,
Speaker 2: him and Puff and then me and Biggie, you feel me?
Speaker 2: My wife took that picture. So I posted it many
Speaker 2: years later after all the shit came out. Like, you
Speaker 2: know what I'm saying? And so, um, You know, people
Speaker 2: don't know that Puff reached out to me. He was like, man,
Speaker 2: I need you on the album. If you can, man,
Speaker 2: it'd be great. It'd be monumental. You know what I'm saying?
Speaker 2: I think at that time I was doing something and
Speaker 2: they had to turn it in quick or whatever. But
Speaker 2: in the inside, people don't know this. Go into the
Speaker 2: inside of a Life After Death album back in there.
Speaker 2: Go into the CD or you could probably Google it
Speaker 2: and it can show you um all the components inside
Speaker 2: the cd you know the images that show you how
Speaker 2: the physical copy was that shit say it in there
Speaker 2: say shout out to e40 it had me spice one
Speaker 2: and a few other people So just letting you know,
Speaker 2: we didn't end it on a bad note. I hate
Speaker 2: that him and Pac gone, and I want to move
Speaker 2: forward from that shit, man. Yeah, that's a fact. You
Speaker 2: know what I mean? That's a fact. Quadruple album, E-40. Yes. Listen,
Speaker 2: this has been a true pleasure and a true honor. Yeah.
Speaker 1: I wish we had more time. Anytime you're in New
Speaker 1: York City, if you want to pull up, drop some
Speaker 1: game on us.
Speaker 3: Yeah.
Speaker 2: Doors is wide open. Thank you. Is there anything left
Speaker 2: that E-40 feels like city official? Like I feel, I
Speaker 2: feel like you already are.
Speaker 1: I feel like you already are like the, the, the,
Speaker 1: the official mayor of the city. But like, do you
Speaker 1: ever look at policies of like, I want to get
Speaker 1: into that so I could really impact the community from
Speaker 1: behind those doors?
Speaker 2: The thing is I'm so, I'm not trying to be
Speaker 2: a me monster, but, and I'm not, and I'm not young.
Speaker 2: I might be youthful looking. I might be tapped in.
Speaker 2: I might, I'm going to have a young spirit. You
Speaker 2: know what I mean? But I don't know if motherfuckers
Speaker 2: still look at me like I'm, they don't look, I
Speaker 2: don't think, I think they be looking at me like
Speaker 2: I'm one of them and I'm not. Like I'm not,
Speaker 2: I'm not a YN. I'm not, I'm not in that category.
Speaker 2: You know what I mean? So I know I get
Speaker 2: hella flack back and shit like, man, foe, man, why
Speaker 2: you the man? Why you, you know, you need to
Speaker 2: do something about the crime in the city, my nigga.
Speaker 2: You know, and you know, first and foremost, these cracks
Speaker 2: in the street, man, we need to finish that and
Speaker 2: too many blowouts. Like, you know what I'm saying? Like,
Speaker 2: Too many potholes in the fucking street, man. They're complaining
Speaker 2: about hella shit. Like, they do me like that. Yeah.
Speaker 2: You know what I mean? I don't think I'm ready
Speaker 2: for that. And my nerves are bad these days. You
Speaker 2: know what I'm saying? I ain't got time for that shit, man.
Speaker 2: I'm trying to live my damn life. That ain't my category.
Speaker 2: Give him that album one more time, E-40. Check this out.
Speaker 2: First time ever. The quadruple album, turning my money over, E-40.
Speaker 2: First time ever. If you want a collector's item, I
Speaker 2: got physical copies. I got CDs and vinyl, man. And
Speaker 2: it's available on all streaming outlets and all platforms, man.
Speaker 2: Get that thing. Number blaps. Be open-minded. Just know this
Speaker 2: ain't just no West Coast shit. This is E-40 being him,
Speaker 2: my nigga. You feel me? I've been doing this shit
Speaker 2: for many moons, ever since Yogi Bear was a teddy bear.
Speaker 2: You understand? Yeah. Fuck with me, man. I'm interesting. Right. Yo,
Speaker 2: it's been nothing but an honor. We appreciate you, man.
Speaker 2: A pleasure. Thank you. I'm that nigga. He's just ginger.
Speaker 2: That's the legendary, iconic E-40.
Speaker 3: Yee!