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Speaker 1: Now here's a highlight from Coast to Coast am on iHeartRadio.

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Speaker 2: And welcome back to Coast to Coast George Nori with you.

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Speaker 2: Ruben Langdon with us, a ufologist, filmmaker, and stuntman as

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Speaker 2: well as a researcher of alien agenda and the alien phenomenon.

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Speaker 2: Rubin co produced the twenty thirteen Citizen Hearing on Disclosure,

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Speaker 2: which was an incredible five day event at the National

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Speaker 2: Press Club in Washington.

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Speaker 3: D C.

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Speaker 2: Featuring more than forty witnesses testifying before six former members

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Speaker 2: of Congress. Rubin, Welcome back to the program. Have you

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Speaker 2: been good, George, Good to talk to you.

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Speaker 3: It's been a while.

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Speaker 2: You worked with Stephen Greer on that event, didn't you.

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Speaker 4: Green was there, Stephen Bassett was there, and many others,

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Speaker 4: the great Linnamllnow and many many others, the late great

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Speaker 4: Stan Freeman Dolan, the whole gang.

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Speaker 2: Those are They're the best in the business, aren't they?

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Speaker 3: Absolutely? Absolutely? It was quite the event still today, holding up.

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Speaker 2: It sure is. Reuben. How'd you get interested in UFOs.

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Speaker 4: Oh man, I think I've always been interested, but really

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Speaker 4: it piqued my interest in two thousand and seven. I

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Speaker 4: had a crazy sighting out in Burbank, and that changed

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Speaker 4: the whole course of everything for me.

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Speaker 3: I was working on Avatar, the.

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Speaker 4: Film Avatar, Yeah, double doing the stunt double for Jake

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Speaker 4: Sully and so playing an alien. I say, I was

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Speaker 4: playing an alien when I saw the Aliens and I

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Speaker 4: saw a bunch of objects in the sky that I

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Speaker 4: couldn't I didn't know what they were. They were unidentified,

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Speaker 4: and I wanted to know more. My curiosity got the

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Speaker 4: best of me and I started down the rabbit hole

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Speaker 4: of ufology and going down that path which has led

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Speaker 4: me to a crazy world now.

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Speaker 3: But yeah, I think it all really kicked off for

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Speaker 3: me in two thousand and seven.

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Speaker 2: How did that lead to your work with the interview

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Speaker 2: with the.

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Speaker 4: Ed So, Yeah, I was following that path, trying to

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Speaker 4: get clues, really focused on the nuts and bolts aspects

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Speaker 4: of uphology, and that led to the citizen hearing. It

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Speaker 4: led to meeting the great researchers we just mentioned, and

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Speaker 4: I was talking with contact Ease and doing my own

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Speaker 4: sort of research, interviewing a lot of different people in

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Speaker 4: the field, and I was getting a pretty good picture

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Speaker 4: of what was going on. And then we were holding

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Speaker 4: these back.

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Speaker 3: At my old office.

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Speaker 4: I had a motion capture studio doing visual effects and

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Speaker 4: game work for video games, and I had a big

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Speaker 4: space in the Marina Marina del Rey, California. This was

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Speaker 4: back in before we even started the Citizen Hearing, so

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Speaker 4: back I want to say twenty ten, we were holding

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Speaker 4: a weekly or monthly et media meetup groups where people

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Speaker 4: would come in and share their stories. And we started

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Speaker 4: with just a small humble group of maybe about ten people,

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Speaker 4: and then it quickly grew. Word got out and it

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Speaker 4: grew to over one hundred people I think, and sometimes

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Speaker 4: and in that group there were well known channelers like

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Speaker 4: Darryl Anka who channels Bashar, Wendy Kennedy who channels the Palladians,

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Speaker 4: Nora Harold, and others would come to be part of

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Speaker 4: other contact ease and.

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Speaker 3: Whatnot.

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Speaker 4: And it was in that time that I discovered the channeling,

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Speaker 4: you know, from Darryl and Wendy, and Wendy was sort

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Speaker 4: of telling me about her experiences and what channeling was,

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Speaker 4: and and for me it really fit right over like

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Speaker 4: a glove with all of the evidence based research that

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Speaker 4: I was doing all the kind of missing pieces that

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Speaker 4: I was not getting from the evidence baseduff. The channeling

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Speaker 4: filled in the gaps for me. So I became even

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Speaker 4: more curious and I started pursuing. I thought, well, nobody

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Speaker 4: else is going down this road. I think I should

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Speaker 4: do it. So in twenty fourteen I started interviewing. My

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Speaker 4: first interview was with Wendy Kennedy and then that's when

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Speaker 4: then eventually I think it was twenty seventeen or eighteen

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Speaker 2: Good for you. You and I met at Big Bear, didn't we.

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Speaker 3: That's right. Yeah, I had a great time Alien Snowfest.

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Speaker 3: I think Tom just reminded.

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Speaker 2: Me gets cold out there, didn't it.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, especially at the time of the year. I think

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Speaker 4: we were there like January, so that was just.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, and it was it was chilly.

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Speaker 4: It was actually a mild winter that year compared to

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Speaker 4: what we had the past few years.

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Speaker 2: Well, tell us about the documentaries and the channeling.

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Speaker 4: So so what what I sought out to do was,

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Speaker 4: you know, the idea of the concept was, if you know,

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Speaker 4: there's the great researchers out there that are doing all

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Speaker 4: you know, what if let's just let's let's go along

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Speaker 4: with this channeling thing, as.

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Speaker 3: If if it was real, if you could just talk to.

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Speaker 4: An alien in a sense, what would that be like?

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Speaker 4: What questions would you ask? And I sort of started there,

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Speaker 4: as the people would go into their trans state and

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Speaker 4: bring through different consciousnesses, I just have casual conversations just

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Speaker 4: like you know you're you're having now with me, and

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Speaker 4: ask them big big concept stuff like you know, why

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Speaker 3: What's the purpose of life?

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Speaker 4: All of those kind of questions we've all wanted to know,

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Speaker 4: and surprisingly that the answers would would come out kind

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Speaker 4: in different languages, channelers in different languages, there seemed to

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Speaker 4: be a through line, a consensus with all of these

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Speaker 3: Tell me kind of the same thing about how life.

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Speaker 4: Works here on Earth and how were part of a

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Speaker 4: fractal of a greater whole, and yeah, really fascinating stuff.

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Speaker 2: Did the channeler pick the ets or how did that happen?

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Speaker 4: Yeah, most so most of the channelers that I started with,

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Speaker 4: But there were subtle differences between talking to say Windy

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Speaker 4: get into in the show. I'd get into like what

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Speaker 4: But yeah, it's the whole gamut of different consciousness. I

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Speaker 3: But and it was just fascinating with how.

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Speaker 4: These different types of consciousnesses would have similar but different

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Speaker 3: Explanations for some of my questions.

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Speaker 2: Ruman, how do you know that the channeler was authentic

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Speaker 4: Yeah, that's probably the biggest question that everybody hasn't myself included.

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Speaker 4: It's what I would do is I'd spend time with

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Speaker 4: Usually I would meet them at their home or someplace

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Speaker 4: So what I found is that people who tend to

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Speaker 4: I once I was around the phenomenon of channeling long enough,

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Speaker 4: So I had her put me in a hypnotic trance

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Speaker 4: And then she brought me out of the regression, and

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Speaker 4: So that gave me an idea and a concept of oh,

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Speaker 4: You know, my discernment in the best way and through

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Speaker 2: what kind of questions did you ask the channeler to

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Speaker 4: Well, actually, the channeler would really just go into their

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Speaker 4: right away. So it wasn't too much getting there or

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Speaker 4: You know, our evidence based uphology. I think some of

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Speaker 4: know they're here, you know, the evidence shows that there's

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Speaker 4: we've been having contact for for years and years. And

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Speaker 4: I think the biggest sort of conclusive answer from all

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Speaker 4: of the different beings is Earth is going through this

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Speaker 4: or transition or I don't know, there's all kinds of

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Speaker 4: numbers to assist assist us through this great transition, and

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Speaker 4: that's why we're seen so many lights in the sky,

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Speaker 2: You ask any of them, I'm curious if they believe

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Speaker 4: Oh yeah, yeah, yeah, they all they all believe in God.

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Speaker 4: They word it a little bit different. For example, Bashar

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Speaker 4: But then I would ask, well can you explain that?

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Speaker 4: And then they would say, you know, that would be

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Speaker 4: So they believe in a in an almighty creator, and

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Speaker 4: And and in a sense, I guess this idea of

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Speaker 4: But yeah, the you know, the consensus with with everyone.

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Speaker 3: Now they all believe.

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Speaker 2: That was there. Was there a message that seemed to

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Speaker 4: Let's see, the ascension message was probably the key, the

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Speaker 3: But others other messages.

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Speaker 4: Let me see, I think the main thing is that

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Speaker 4: we're never alone, even though it may seem like that

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Speaker 4: And many of us don't realize that, and that's part

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Speaker 2: Uh.

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Speaker 4: Many many of them associate associated our experience here in

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Speaker 4: But they kept reminding me that no matter what, we're

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Speaker 4: always connected and all we have to do is in

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Speaker 4: do that through prayer, through meditation and ask for help,

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Speaker 4: and usually they would, to the best of their ability,

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Speaker 4: try to assist. There are they did mention free will

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Speaker 4: they're not allowed to interfere in many things, very much

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Speaker 4: like Star Trek. I always referenced Star Trek because the

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