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Speaker 2: Let's get to the show. Good morning, everybody, Happy Thursday.

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Speaker 2: We have an amazing show for everybody today. What do

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Speaker 2: we have, Krystal?

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Speaker 1: Indeed, we do so. Ryan and Emilin yesterday hosted a

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Speaker 1: big old debate on Israel, Palestine, campus protests, free speech

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Speaker 1: and all the rest. It was Omar Badar and Destiny

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Speaker 1: or Stephen Banell or mister.

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Speaker 3: Barelli Itelli Binell, Okay Banell, all right.

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Speaker 4: We'll go with that.

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Speaker 1: I hope I'm not screwing that up anyway. I watched

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Speaker 1: the rough cut of it last night. We're gonna have

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Speaker 1: it for premium subscribers tonight for everybody else tomorrow, and

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Speaker 1: Ryan and Amla are going to join us to break

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Speaker 1: down some of the highlights from that debate and give

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Speaker 1: us a little sneak peek, so definitely want to tune

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Speaker 1: in for that. At the same time, we have some

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Speaker 1: absolutely unhinged media reaction to the campus protests and the

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Speaker 1: also unhinged crackdown on those protests. You are not going

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Speaker 1: to believe some of the things that were said, some

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Speaker 1: unhinged congressional reaction to all of this, by the way,

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Speaker 1: as well, as they seek to codify and ban certain

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Speaker 1: criticisms of Israel. Foreign government not allowed to criticize that,

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Speaker 1: so insanity all the way around. The White House handling

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Speaker 1: this in the worst possible way, of course, So break

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Speaker 1: all of that down for you. At the same time,

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Speaker 1: we have a lot of news coming out of Israel

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Speaker 1: as ces fire talks continue, more screw us from bb

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Speaker 1: towards Biden as his humiliation toward continues. So we've got

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Speaker 1: that for you. We also have Trump World panicking over

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Speaker 1: have Marjorie Taylor Green apparently still looking to follow through

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Speaker 1: as Democrats say that they will save the speakers since

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Speaker 1: And that's all kumbaya apparently with the bipartist and war machine.

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Speaker 1: And then finally we had to add this in last night.

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Speaker 1: I can't even believe I'm saying these words. Another Boeing

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Speaker 1: whistleblower is now dead.

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Speaker 2: He's a forty five year old healthy man. We'll tell

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Speaker 2: it was a forty five year old healthy man.

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Speaker 1: Some illness. We'll tell a two weeks later he's dead.

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Speaker 1: So there you go. But let's go ahead and start

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Speaker 1: with this big debate with Ryan and Emily. We've pulled

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Speaker 1: it last night. It really was extraordinary. I'm super excited

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Speaker 1: as we just mentioned, Ryan and Emily hosted kind of

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Speaker 1: a major debate yesterday between streamer Destiny real name Stephen

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Speaker 1: Banel and Omar Batter, who is a fantastic expert on

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Speaker 1: the least in Israel Palastine specifically, I got to watch

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Speaker 1: the whole rough cut last night. First of all, kudos

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Speaker 1: to both of you, because it's not easy. It's almost

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Speaker 1: It's a difficult balance to keep things on the rails

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Speaker 1: the audience. But before I do that, I mean, what

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Speaker 5: Questions, FIBs were good, vibes were goodactly what you would expect. Yeah,

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Speaker 5: that conversation, Now I hadn't watched previously they did a debate.

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Speaker 5: It just kind of yeah, yeah, but we also wanted

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Speaker 6: I learned in October about this issue.

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Speaker 3: I didn't care about it before.

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Speaker 6: But he is an extremely sharp guy, and he makes

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Speaker 6: Okay, so I think it's useful to see how those

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Speaker 1: It's useful to have the actual position laid out because

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Speaker 1: when you actually like, just say it. Just say that

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Speaker 3: In the debated one.

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Speaker 1: Let's take a listen to how that went down.

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Speaker 7: Look, they've destroyed eighty percent of the building, they've displayed it,

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Speaker 4: Through they've displaced ninety percent of the population.

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Speaker 7: Can you name any other conflict in which you displaced

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Speaker 8: Nation, because usually they just destroyed them. Do you think

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Speaker 8: it dressden they told the civilians to flee? Do you

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Speaker 8: think in the Tokyo fire bombs Saki Hairoshima and we

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Speaker 8: what he just was incredibly fucking stupid that, No, they

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Speaker 3: Normally they just kill.

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Speaker 7: Because because he thinks, because he thinks that that's a

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Speaker 4: He's not going to I'm going to acknowledge.

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Speaker 7: I'm going to acknowledge that, yes, they told civilians to

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Speaker 4: That they told the civilians.

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Speaker 7: There have been countless incidents of them dropping.

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Speaker 4: Now you're just lying.

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Speaker 8: I looked it up, like all the data on all

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Speaker 8: Guarantee Travels investigation that attackers.

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Speaker 7: A New York Times investigation, and there's an NBC investigation.

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Speaker 7: Both of them document the fact that Israel is bombing

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Speaker 7: safe zones where they tell civilians to flee.

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Speaker 3: And real investigations hold on it.

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Speaker 5: It's really admitted at CNN that intelligence indication that these

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Speaker 3: Evacuation routes are not safe zones.

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Speaker 8: There's been one official declared they shouldn't Hams not operate

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Speaker 3: I mean, we're talking again, that's a good question question.

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Speaker 1: Okay, So they're talking about Al Malassie. Is what he

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Speaker 5: I asked him if that's what he was referring to.

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Speaker 1: But he's kind of getting this technicality of like, well,

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Speaker 6: And I think this was I think why it's useful

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Speaker 6: for people to see this. This was the most kind

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Speaker 6: else was a little bit calmer and more reason might

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Speaker 6: not be the word, but reason like that that was the.

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Speaker 1: Kind of it was. I mean, you were kind of bad.

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Speaker 1: There wasn't a bitchiness, which I don't mind.

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Speaker 3: Right, I thought this was the height of it.

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Speaker 1: This was one of the more like tense you know,

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Speaker 3: It wasn't that bad.

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Speaker 2: I've seen it, you know, ten times worse, and it

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Speaker 2: is more you know, a shout out to your guys's moderation.

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Speaker 2: How was it with Omar as well, Like, in terms

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Speaker 2: of the challenging questions, did you throw it to him?

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Speaker 9: More?

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Speaker 3: Was Destiny throwing things to him? How is it handling that?

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Speaker 10: Uh?

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Speaker 6: Destiny was actually I thought respectful in this of Omar's time,

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Speaker 6: and in a way that I was worried he might

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Speaker 6: not be like when we would come in and be like, look,

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Speaker 6: just look enough, let him respond, he would actually he

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Speaker 6: would actually let him respond. Omar was very good at

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Speaker 6: not taking the bait. There he called him what effing stupid? Yeah,

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Speaker 6: that's right. At another time he said, I think you're

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Speaker 6: probably more anti Semitic than than we even know, or

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Speaker 6: because I think he understood that Destiny was going to

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Speaker 6: Kind of meta identifying what Destiny was doing, yes, saying

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Speaker 3: To get me to chase this right so that you

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Speaker 8: Towards the end of the Great Marshal Return, there were

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Speaker 7: Actually, just to characterize it, just you know, get an

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Speaker 4: Sure.

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Speaker 7: Israeli policy is people in Gaza have no right to

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Speaker 4: If this is something that more than If this is something.

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Speaker 6: According to the un quote unquote, more than six thousand

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Speaker 4: There's no denying that.

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Speaker 7: Yes, some people try to open up, and some people

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Speaker 4: So Israeli soldiers open fire on.

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Speaker 3: They analyzed that as a policing event.

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Speaker 8: And when you analyze things internationally as a policing event,

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Speaker 6: Why would why would they analyzed as an armed conflict

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Speaker 8: Because Hamas was present, it doesn't matter if they were shooting.

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Speaker 8: If you've got an enemy. If you've got an enemy

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Speaker 3: And if you've got people that are participating and you.

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Speaker 7: Don't have guns not of course nothing to do with

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Speaker 4: You can't somebody, absolutely not.

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Speaker 3: You do not become yster combat You do not.

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Speaker 8: You not do you not all of a sudden gain

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Speaker 4: If you drop your guns and raise your arms, you

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Speaker 3: That's different than running away.

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Speaker 8: You can't drop your guns and just run away, and

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Speaker 1: Okay, that exchanged my meal and saying Ryan was your

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Speaker 6: Thought the whole March of Return conversation was was interesting

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Speaker 3: It is the violence by.

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Speaker 6: The Israelis towards the Palestinians that actually supports the ideology

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Speaker 1: Because that was really important. I thought that you brought

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Speaker 1: That's one support predictably, and also when your mom and

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Speaker 6: And Destiny understands that on the other side, because he's

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Speaker 3: Why doesn't it work.

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Speaker 1: The other way?

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Speaker 3: Well, of course it does.

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Speaker 1: I also thought that exchange, though, was very illustrative of

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Speaker 3: It's like international did you and whether it was a.

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Speaker 1: Police action or military action. It takes you away from

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Speaker 6: There's a strategic and moral question of whether it is

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Speaker 3: Any last thoughts, simile, Well.

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Speaker 5: You know, I think to the extent that you can

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Speaker 5: then he said, but you know, we're talking about peace

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Speaker 5: from a Western perspective. What both sides really want is justice,

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Speaker 5: and that is again like coming to that later in

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Speaker 3: Like, you know, and then he dips into weird oriental stuff.

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Speaker 2: Okay, well so as we as we already it's a

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Speaker 1: It was actually hard to wrap.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, I've been there.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, no, we were getting the messages in real time

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Speaker 1: And then it goes into the whole conversation about human shields,

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Speaker 5: Yes, and it's also I just wanted it's not a

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Speaker 1: I think, so I think people, I think people who

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Speaker 1: Destiny's view, if you share Omar's view, I think you're

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Speaker 3: I mean, and that's all we can ask for.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, that's absolutely right. You guys did a really effective job,

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Speaker 1: so much better. It's so then when you have the

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Speaker 1: panel for four people andever you try, it's so much

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Speaker 1: better to have had Omar and Destiny have it well moderated.

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Speaker 1: That to me is like the best model. I think

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Speaker 1: that's why you were able to get to so much,

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Speaker 1: so many interesting substantive conversations I'm very excited for people

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Speaker 1: to watch that. I'm really excited about you guys doing

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Speaker 1: the Friday show because I think this is just a

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Speaker 1: great preview of things to come.

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Speaker 3: This is an awesome proof of cons.

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Speaker 1: Ryan's getting fashion tips from Don, Ryan's getting better.

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Speaker 3: Just what else could we have?

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Speaker 6: The record I had this last spring, which that's all.

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Speaker 3: That's right, Don's ready describe to breaking points.

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Speaker 2: If you want to watch it early drop tonight for

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Speaker 2: our premium subscribers, we publicly available tomorrow. Support us there

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Speaker 2: if you want to be able to support Friday shows

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Speaker 2: like this. It's a great proof of concept for what

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Speaker 2: we're all about. And I guess with that, let's get

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Speaker 2: to the show.

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Speaker 1: So, as you guys likely know, and Ryan and nominally

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Speaker 1: covered very ably yesterday there was a massive police crackdown

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Speaker 1: across New York City colleges, including at Columbia University, and

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Speaker 1: the next day morning, Joe, of course, ready to manufacture consent,

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Speaker 1: they brought on the Deputy Commissioner of Police to make

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Speaker 1: some extraordinary claims about some of the tools that these

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Speaker 1: protesters were using at what Hamilton Hall, what they named

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Speaker 1: Hins Hall. Let's take a listen, tell us about this change.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, so when we will.

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Speaker 11: This is not what students bring to school, okayshals bring

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Speaker 11: to campuses and universities. These are heavy industrial chains that

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Speaker 11: were locked with Bilock bike locks. And this is what

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Speaker 11: we encountered on every door inside a Hamilton hall and

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Speaker 11: so in order for our emergency services group to into

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Speaker 11: the building, they had to first cut through these chains.

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Speaker 1: Heavy industrial chains. This saga is what professionals bring. This

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Speaker 1: isn't what students would have access to, which plays into

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Speaker 1: this whole trope that was being pushed relentlessly on CNN

477
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Speaker 1: and other places that oh it was actually this isn't

478
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Speaker 1: even students. This is outside agitators to make this like

479
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Speaker 1: super extra scary. It didn't take long for people to

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Speaker 1: pull up. This is literally a bikelock that is sold

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Speaker 1: by Columbia University.

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Speaker 2: At the Columbia University gift shop, literally the exact same one,

483
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Speaker 2: which is very likely where they bought it from. It

484
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Speaker 2: is really hilarious and it's also one of those where

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Speaker 2: just this morning, Crystal mayor Eric Adams actually was asked

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Speaker 2: on MSNBC how many people who were not Columbia University

487
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Speaker 2: students were arrested. Approximately three hundred of the people who

488
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Speaker 2: were arrested, he's only able to name two so far

489
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Speaker 2: that we're there, which is actually far below the average

490
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Speaker 2: at University of Texas, Austin and others where you actually

491
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Speaker 2: saw a majority of the people at some of those

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Speaker 2: protests which were arrested, which were not students. But in

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Speaker 2: this particular case, it does seem that the absolute vast

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Speaker 2: majority two hundred and ninety eight out of three hundred

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Speaker 2: so far confirmed to have been students at Columbia University.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, and I mean, just how you understand why this

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Speaker 1: was like an important propaganda point, and Anderson Cooper was

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Speaker 1: pushing this, the police department was pushing this whole narrative

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Speaker 1: of like, we don't even think this is students. We

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Speaker 1: think this is outside agitators. Is because outside agitator sounds

501
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Speaker 1: like crazy, scary, violent radicals, whereas college kids, you're like,

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Speaker 1: these are college students who've been camping out, who are

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Speaker 1: engaging in the sort of protest techniques that we've seen,

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Speaker 1: you know, for decades that are sort of tried and true.

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Speaker 1: Even if you don't like them or agree with them,

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Speaker 1: or disagree with them, whatever, it's a very different valence

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Speaker 1: when you're crafting this narrative about these Gary radical outside

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Speaker 1: agitators coming in with professional, industrial grade chains, then college

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Speaker 1: students who have bikelocks that they bought at the campus bookstore.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, it's just totally ridiculous what we've seen from a

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Speaker 2: lot of the NYPD, I.

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Speaker 3: Will say, the outside agitator.

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Speaker 2: Like I said, I initially I was skeptical but willing

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Speaker 2: to believe some of it because of the UT Austin

515
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Speaker 2: numbers that had previously come out. The other thing is

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Speaker 2: that Columbia University and the NYPD put together an entire

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Speaker 2: presentation before the raid somewhere around eight pm where they

518
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Speaker 2: specifically highlighted students or people who were wearing ski masks

519
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Speaker 2: and others that were entering the building, specifically saying that

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Speaker 2: these individuals were from outside of the university. And it's like, well, okay,

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Speaker 2: and again, if you'll remember when we were all talking

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Speaker 2: about this live, I said, this will be a great

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Speaker 2: claim to check after the arrests have been made, whether

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Speaker 2: they were telling the truth or not. And I think

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Speaker 2: people should also understand this is a key pretext for

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Speaker 2: the launch of the raid on Columbia University. Yes, there

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Speaker 2: was Hamilton Hall being keep hied, the property damage and

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Speaker 2: all of that, but the actual pretext, if you look

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Speaker 2: at the letter that was sent by Columbia University to

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Speaker 2: NYPD very specifically highlights that it claims that were non

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Speaker 2: students that were inside of the hall.

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Speaker 1: That's really important. And I also want to point out

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Speaker 1: because you know, the windows that were broken and the

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Speaker 1: occupation of Hamilton Hall was used as a pretext for this.

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Speaker 1: Like I mean, you saw how many police and riot

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Speaker 1: gear and the heavy yell artillery and all of this. Okay,

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Speaker 1: but it didn't just happen at Columbia University. You know,

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Speaker 1: at City College, which is just up the street about

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Speaker 1: twenty blocks that I actually used to live right there

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Speaker 1: in that neighborhood in Northern Manhattan. There were by all accounts,

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Speaker 1: entirely peaceful protests far as I know, there were no

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Speaker 1: was no even property damage, no buildings occupied or anything.

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Speaker 1: And they still had this overwhelming police crackdown of the

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Speaker 1: sort that we've seen, you know, on campuses across the country.

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Speaker 1: So and also obviously this is not the normal response

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Speaker 1: for broken windows and trespassing. I think we get all

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Speaker 1: see very clearly the reason for their response is because

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Speaker 1: They don't want the dissent. They want to make sure

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Speaker 1: this entire movement is completely crushed. It's all a method

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Speaker 1: of avoiding the conversation about what these students are actually

551
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Speaker 1: protesting and whether or not their cause is actually just.

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Speaker 1: But we've got more for you from the NYPD. This

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Speaker 1: is Rebecca Winer, head of the NYPD counter Terrorism Bureau,

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Speaker 1: talking about why this response was necessary. Take a lesson.

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Speaker 9: This is not about students expressing ideas. It is about

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Speaker 9: a change in tactics that presents a concern, and a

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Speaker 9: normalization and mainstreaming of rhetoric. And I'm not just talking

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Speaker 9: about language. I'm now talking about tactics and that's what

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Speaker 9: shifted our response yesterday. But a normalization and mainstreaming of

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Speaker 9: rhetoric associated with terrorism that has now become pretty common

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Speaker 9: on college campuses.

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Speaker 1: Right.

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Speaker 9: You see people wearing headbands associated with foreign terrorist organizations.

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Speaker 9: This happened in October when you had a viral TikTok

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Speaker 9: reissuing of Osama bin Laden's two thousand and two letter

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Speaker 9: to America.

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Speaker 3: So that's a larger concern.

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Speaker 9: It's separate from what happened yesterday, but they're related. We

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Speaker 9: do not want ideas. We do not want campuses, which

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Speaker 9: are where people are supposed to be learning and being

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Speaker 9: in a conducive environment for all of the things that

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Speaker 9: we do in schools being turned into places where people

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Speaker 9: are committing vandalism, property damage, and committing crimes.

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Speaker 1: I like the part where she says we don't want ideas.

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Speaker 1: That's very clear. I mean, this is Listen. You can

576
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Speaker 1: hate their cause, you can hate their speech, you can

577
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Speaker 1: think that it's, you know, the same thing that a terrorist.

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Speaker 1: It doesn't matter. There is no car mount in the

579
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Speaker 1: First Amendment for hate speech or ideas you don't like.

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Speaker 1: And that's what's so ridiculous about this and the whole

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Speaker 1: of government and whole of media effort to censor, crush,

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Speaker 1: and criminalize certain speech critical of Israel.

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Speaker 3: It's insane, and that's what's happening right now.

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Speaker 2: I mean, we're got to get to it in terms

585
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Speaker 2: of the House of Representative's passage of its anti semitism

586
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Speaker 2: while I mean, this is one of the biggest fringe

587
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Speaker 2: infringes upon the First Amendment since World War One. If

588
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Speaker 2: you go back and you look at some of the

589
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Speaker 2: anti war acts that were imposed at that time on

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Speaker 2: Americans who were trying to dissent from the war machine

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Speaker 2: of that time about one hundred years ago. So this

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Speaker 2: is an extraordinary moment. And it's not even for a

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Speaker 2: war where American troops are dying. Isn't that a little

594
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Speaker 2: interesting in terms of the war powers willing to basically

595
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Speaker 2: insert and totalitarianize our democracy on behalf of a foreign

596
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Speaker 2: power which is prosecuting a war. Similarly, Crystal, I think

597
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Speaker 2: it's very important. I realized we haven't even had a

598
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Speaker 2: chance to react to some of the things going on

599
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Speaker 2: at Columbia. And I think people can say, you know,

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Speaker 2: I'm not like a pro Kefia person or any of this,

601
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Speaker 2: but I did a lot of research and I have

602
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Speaker 2: to be honest so tact fact, when we looked previously

603
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Speaker 2: at Hamilton Hall and the occupation, I said, I think

604
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Speaker 2: the line because in property damage of vandalism and trespassing. However,

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Speaker 2: I do think and again, and this is kind of

606
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Speaker 2: where the discourse breaks apart.

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Speaker 3: People are like, well, what would you expect?

608
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Speaker 2: And I don't have any problem with arresting those individuals,

609
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Speaker 2: but we have to come back to some of the

610
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Speaker 2: original response to January sixth. So immediately in the aftermath

611
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Speaker 2: of January sixth, Crystal, you and I were sitting here

612
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Speaker 2: in our studio. I'll never forget, not here but over

613
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Speaker 2: at the hill, and I'll never forget, you know, having

614
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Speaker 2: to go through Bagdad like checkpoints, you know, to get

615
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Speaker 2: to our office. Yeah, a full federalization. So again we

616
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Speaker 2: were talking there about Okay, so the people should be prosecuted, certainly, right,

617
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Speaker 2: people who entered the capital unlawfully. But does it mean

618
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Speaker 2: that we should be prosecuting this domestic terrorists? Does it

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Speaker 2: mean that we should have spent half a billion dollars,

620
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Speaker 2: you know, locking down our entire capital, deploying the National Guard,

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Speaker 2: trying to institute a Patriot Act two point zero. And

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Speaker 2: that's where I would really urge people, where, even if

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Speaker 2: you are skeptical or even outright oppositional to some of

624
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Speaker 2: these protesters, I would urge proportionality in a response. And

625
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Speaker 2: watching one thousand and NYPD police officers basically walk into Colombia,

626
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Speaker 2: it's one of the most insane things I've ever seen.

627
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Speaker 2: You know, Again, we can arrest people, and we can

628
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Speaker 2: have the situation handled in a proportional manner relative to

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Speaker 2: the crime that is being committed. Another thing is and

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Speaker 2: I'll be honest, I didn't actually know this is I

631
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Speaker 2: went back and did some research. So back in nineteen

632
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Speaker 2: eighty five, I talked previously about how protesters had occupied

633
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Speaker 2: Hamilton Hall previously. Protesters actually occupied Hamilton Hall for three

634
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Speaker 2: weeks in nineteen eighty five, and actually it led to

635
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Speaker 2: a Columbia University vote of divestment from apartheid South Africa

636
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Speaker 2: at the time. So I have to be real, I

637
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Speaker 2: have a lot more sympathy now for the people who

638
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Speaker 2: did this, because the university itself has a long history

639
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Speaker 2: of both, you know, allowing these types of things to

640
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Speaker 2: happen and also even following through with their demands. I

641
00:29:52,680 --> 00:29:55,000
Speaker 2: don't even necessarily agree with the fact that you should

642
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Speaker 2: be able to trespass on a hall and then your

643
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Speaker 2: university three weeks later is going to you know, bout

644
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Speaker 2: your demands, but you did it already in the past.

645
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Speaker 2: So not only that, based upon all of their recruiting materials,

646
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Speaker 2: they have consistently said Columbia is a state of social

647
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Speaker 2: justice action. They brag about the Hamilton Hall occupation of

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Speaker 2: nineteen sixty eight and nineteen eighty five. They talk specifically

649
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Speaker 2: about how their student body is like highly socially engaged.

650
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Speaker 2: So it is very clear here that we are acting

651
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Speaker 2: in a different manner as opposed to Israel. So I

652
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Speaker 2: think then that and I want people to hear this

653
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Speaker 2: from somebody like me, who's not necessarily the most sympathetic person.

654
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Speaker 2: I want them to understand that, Look, a thousand people

655
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Speaker 2: coming in to a private university under these pretexts and basically,

656
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Speaker 2: you know, occupying this campus. Whenever you have a long

657
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Speaker 2: history of allowing such behavior in the past and bragging

658
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Speaker 2: about it, that is very, very different, you know, this

659
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Speaker 2: time around. So we can have law and order, and

660
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Speaker 2: we can have proportionality, and we can also understand, I

661
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Speaker 2: think where there is a clear exception being made now

662
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Speaker 2: here in the case of Israel, and in that you know,

663
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Speaker 2: I have to object as an American citizen for what's happening.

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Speaker 1: Amen to all of that, And I mean, listen, just

665
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Speaker 1: ask yourself, right, like I said before, what is the

666
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Speaker 1: normal response to a broken window and trespassing? Is it

667
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Speaker 1: a thousand police in rya gear. I'm pretty sure there's

668
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Speaker 1: some other criminal activities happening in New York City where

669
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Speaker 1: those cups might be useful. The smearing of these students

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Speaker 1: as actual terrorists by the NYPD, by you know, the

671
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Speaker 1: mourning Joe. It's so I really am losing my mind

672
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Speaker 1: over this because we're about to get into what happened

673
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Speaker 1: at UCLA as well. In terms of a protest movement,

674
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Speaker 1: like we can debate tactics, we've debated tactics. Even within

675
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Speaker 1: the movement. There's debates about what tactics work, and what's

676
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Speaker 1: going to win people over and what's not going to

677
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Speaker 1: be effective, et cetera. That's all fine and good, But

678
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Speaker 1: in terms of a protest movement, which is massive in

679
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Speaker 1: scale and size and nationwide, et cetera, they've been about

680
00:32:01,000 --> 00:32:03,640
Speaker 1: as perfect as you could get. There have been so

681
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Speaker 1: few instances of even property damage that it's actually incredible

682
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Speaker 1: when you have this many human beings, some of whom

683
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Speaker 1: are gonna be a loll out there that doesn't undermine

684
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Speaker 1: the justice of their cause in this particular instance. But

685
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Speaker 1: you're gonna have radicals, you're gonna have weirdos, you're gonna

686
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Speaker 1: have freed that's human beings. Okay. The fact that you've

687
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Speaker 1: had so few instances that are even colorably violent is

688
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Speaker 1: actually astonishing. And when you look at what happened at UCLA,

689
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Speaker 1: the one instance where we had genuine violence. It is

690
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Speaker 1: now very clear that it was nearly, if not entirely,

691
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Speaker 1: one sided pro Israel counterprotesters coming in, shooting fireworks at them,

692
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Speaker 1: busting down their encampment, assaulting them for hours, with the

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Speaker 1: police nowhere to be seen. So we're gonna talk about

694
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Speaker 1: student safety. Dozens of anti war protesters, some of whom

695
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Speaker 1: may well have been Jewish, since this is the concern

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Speaker 1: of the day, which listen, I think old people, including

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Speaker 1: Jewish people, should be safe. You had dozens of students

698
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Speaker 1: sent to the hospital. Where's a media concern about those students' safety. Clearly,

699
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Speaker 1: this risk to student safety has been in the crackdown

700
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Speaker 1: and has been from these counter protesters who are again

701
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Speaker 1: were allowed to assault them and run wild for hours.

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Speaker 1: Where were the riot cops then, in their gear with

703
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Speaker 1: their heavy artillery to protect students when they actually were needed.

704
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Speaker 1: They were nowhere to be found. And the UCLA rent

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Speaker 1: a cop, security guards or whatever they had. They were

706
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Speaker 1: treated in hidden and building and were such cowards they

707
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Speaker 1: locked out the student journalists who had been given agreement

708
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Speaker 1: that they could retreat into that building if their safety

709
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Speaker 1: was under threat, and by the way, their safety was

710
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Speaker 1: under threat. Four of them were assaulted, according to the

711
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Speaker 1: LA Time this morning, were assaulted by those pro Israel counterprotesters.

712
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Speaker 1: Where's the media outrage about that? Where's the concern about

713
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Speaker 1: Jewish student safety about any of that? Instead you get

714
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Speaker 1: this completely insane commentary from Dana Bash. She Dana or Dana,

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Speaker 1: We'll go with both. Whoever. Dana Bash, who is supposedly

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Speaker 1: first of all, she's a congression christ but she's not

717
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Speaker 1: foreign affairs, she's not opinion, and yet she had the

718
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Speaker 1: most insane take on this whole situation. I can scarcely

719
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Speaker 1: even believe it. Take a listen to what this lady

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Speaker 1: had to say.

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Speaker 12: Many of these protests started peacefully with legitimate questions about

722
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Speaker 12: the war, but in many cases they lost the plot.

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Speaker 12: They're calling for a ceasefire, Well there was a ceasefire

724
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Speaker 12: on October sixth, the day before Hamas terrorists brutally murdered

725
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Speaker 12: more than one thousand people inside Israel and took hundreds

726
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Speaker 12: more as hostages. Making Jewish students I feel unsafe at

727
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Speaker 12: their own schools is unacceptable and it is happening way

728
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Speaker 12: too much right now.

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Speaker 4: I'm a Ucile A student.

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Speaker 3: I deserve to go here.

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Speaker 4: We pay tuition, this is our school, and they're not

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Speaker 4: letting me walk in my classes over there. I want

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Speaker 4: to use that entrance.

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Speaker 3: Why can't Will you let me go in? This could

735
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Speaker 3: be over in a second.

736
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Speaker 4: Just let me and my friends go in.

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Speaker 1: Again.

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Speaker 12: What you just saw is twenty twenty four in Los Angeles.

739
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Speaker 12: Hearkening back to the nineteen thirties in Europe. And I

740
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Speaker 12: do not say that lightly. The fear among Jews in

741
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Speaker 12: this country is palpable right now.

742
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Speaker 1: So one video of someone claiming, which how many of

743
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Speaker 1: these freaking hoaxes have we seen at this point? That

744
00:35:43,280 --> 00:35:46,160
Speaker 1: they're being blocked from going to class, and it's nineteen

745
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Speaker 1: thirties in Europe. It's the equivalent to the Holocaust and

746
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Speaker 1: millions of Jews being being murdered on an industrial scale.

747
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Speaker 1: This is so completely insane, especially Saga, given the fact

748
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Speaker 1: that we know the bulk of the violence. Violence has

749
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Speaker 1: been perpetrated against the anti war protesters.

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Speaker 2: And this is a look, I believe very strongly an

751
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Speaker 2: equal application of the law. And I think that those

752
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Speaker 2: protesters you know, who were having it took four hours

753
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Speaker 2: for the LAPD to come in.

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Speaker 3: I think it's outrageous.

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Speaker 2: It's very clearly that they just didn't feel like getting involved.

756
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Speaker 2: Their excuse was that what that they didn't have enough

757
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Speaker 2: troops or something like that, which I just simply don't

758
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Speaker 2: believe honestly, because they had campus security there as well.

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Speaker 2: The other thing is, you know, time for a little

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Speaker 2: history lesson there, Dana. I believe it is Dana, by

761
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Speaker 2: the way, I just looked it up. So for the

762
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Speaker 2: nineteen thirties Germany, do people really want to know what happened?

763
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Speaker 2: There were thousands of actual street brawls in the street

764
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Speaker 2: between the Nazis, between the center right parties, the socialists,

765
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Speaker 2: the communists. I mean, it was an absolute bloodbath. Thousands,

766
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Speaker 2: tens of thousands of people were killed in street violence.

767
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Speaker 2: There wasn't an actually state violence necessarily, and in fact,

768
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Speaker 2: the vacuum of power and all of that at the

769
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Speaker 2: time the chaos is eventually what led to some of

770
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Speaker 2: the rise of the Nazi Party. And that's exactly why

771
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Speaker 2: so many of our brain dead comparisons to the nineteen

772
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Speaker 2: thirties are frankly insulting, you know, to people who lived

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Speaker 2: through the period of wy Mar Germany and saw what

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Speaker 2: happened at that time of violence perpetrated against Jews. I mean,

775
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Speaker 2: every once in a while I'll see somebody, for example,

776
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Speaker 2: you know, I said here, I said, I think it

777
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Speaker 2: crosses the line to break into Hamilton Hall. And then

778
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Speaker 2: I go online and people are like, this is Christalnacht

779
00:37:30,719 --> 00:37:35,240
Speaker 2: because there's some broken glass, and I'm like, oh again again, Okay,

780
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Speaker 2: it is deeply insulting to these survivors of Christalnacht to

781
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Speaker 2: compare the occupation and the breaking into Hamilton Hall to

782
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Speaker 2: what happened in nineteen thirties Germany.

783
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Speaker 3: But this is in a.

784
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Speaker 1: Consistent Holocaust denial, honestly acts as being anything like the

785
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Speaker 1: acts that led.

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Speaker 4: Up to that.

787
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Speaker 2: Of course, I mean, it'd be like saying that any

788
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Speaker 2: time that you detain some that they're like slaves, or

789
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Speaker 2: you know, any time that you have you know, even

790
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Speaker 2: if you have a I don't know, Like it's like

791
00:38:06,520 --> 00:38:09,000
Speaker 2: comparing affirmative action to Jim Crow or something. Right, you

792
00:38:09,000 --> 00:38:12,319
Speaker 2: could say it is a policy like Jim Crow, or

793
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Speaker 2: like a policy that has the echoes of something, But

794
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Speaker 2: even then I think it's outrageous and frankly insulting. So

795
00:38:18,600 --> 00:38:22,200
Speaker 2: here again, like everybody, calm down. You know, I even

796
00:38:22,280 --> 00:38:25,160
Speaker 2: pulled the numbers and went back Hamilton Hall this time

797
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Speaker 2: around was roughly half the number, actually less than half

798
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Speaker 2: of the number of people who were arrested in nineteen

799
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Speaker 2: sixty eight. There were over seven hundred people were arrested

800
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Speaker 2: and had a lot.

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Speaker 1: Of other buildings.

802
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Speaker 2: They occupied quite a lot of other buildings. There was

803
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Speaker 2: actually a shitload more violence than also at the time,

804
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Speaker 2: And that's part of why I'm just like, look, guys, everybody,

805
00:38:42,480 --> 00:38:45,920
Speaker 2: just take a chill pill. It is not nineteen thirties Germany.

806
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Speaker 2: We've gotten through ten times worse in our country, not

807
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Speaker 2: even you know, a lot that long ago. It's everybody's fine.

808
00:38:53,760 --> 00:38:56,480
Speaker 2: And yet for some reason, you know, everything is just

809
00:38:56,520 --> 00:38:59,880
Speaker 2: getting ratcheted up. Where these you know, a CNN anchor

810
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Speaker 2: who that let's be honest, he probably has personal security

811
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Speaker 2: or something like that. You know, mal time millionaire, longtime

812
00:39:05,239 --> 00:39:08,520
Speaker 2: denizen of Washington. You're not unsafe, your kids aren't unsafe.

813
00:39:08,600 --> 00:39:11,160
Speaker 2: Everybody's fine. If you are unsafe, it's because there's what

814
00:39:11,480 --> 00:39:14,040
Speaker 2: shitload of crime here in DC. Four people got shot

815
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Speaker 2: yesterday here in our city. I don't hear them complaining

816
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Speaker 2: about that. That's not nineteen thirties Germany.

817
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Speaker 1: It's not because it's like protesters and GW twos.

818
00:39:21,840 --> 00:39:25,960
Speaker 2: Because of protesters at GWA, exactly right. It's that's the

819
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Speaker 2: big problem that we have.

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Speaker 1: I would love to take a shill pill Soccer, because

821
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Speaker 1: I'm losing my mind over this.

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Speaker 3: Point, over the media reaction.

823
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Speaker 2: I'm saying, you're not saying, like I am physically unsafe

824
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Speaker 2: now at this moment, and that's what I'm talking.

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Speaker 1: No, I know, I know, I just yeah, I can't

826
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Speaker 1: believe what a bunch of liars these people are. Like

827
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Speaker 1: I can't believe how fake this all is. I can't

828
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Speaker 1: believe how manufactured it is that now you have. I mean,

829
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Speaker 1: we just showed you a little slice of a completely

830
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Speaker 1: insane media reaction. Now College, they're Nazis, they're terrorists, they're hummus,

831
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Speaker 1: they deserve or you know, the equivalent to nineteen thirties Germany,

832
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Speaker 1: when again, the one violent protest, it was entirely because

833
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Speaker 1: and caused by and perpetrated by pro Israel protesters assaulting

834
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Speaker 1: anti war protesters. And it is so clear what the

835
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Speaker 1: game is. It's so clear what the game is. Look

836
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Speaker 1: at our poll, look at any polling out there. These

837
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Speaker 1: college kids and other members of this protest movement have

838
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Speaker 1: won the debate. The numbers in favor of a ceasefire

839
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Speaker 1: are overwhelming. Among people who voted for Joe Biden, the

840
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Speaker 1: numbers are even more overwhelming, and so to distract from

841
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Speaker 1: the clear righteousness of their cause, which, by the way,

842
00:40:45,360 --> 00:40:47,000
Speaker 1: all of these people ten years from now will be

843
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Speaker 1: pretending that they were on their side, or they'll be

844
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Speaker 1: covering their ass about why it was understandable at the

845
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Speaker 1: time that they compared them to Nazis and all this crap. Okay,

846
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Speaker 1: it's all to distract from what the kids are actually

847
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Speaker 1: protesting about and the clear justice of their cause. When

848
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Speaker 1: they say I don't want my tax dollars going to

849
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Speaker 1: bomb babies. I also think it's important, and Sager brought

850
00:41:11,320 --> 00:41:13,680
Speaker 1: this up a number of times and other segments as well,

851
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Speaker 1: to keep in mind their specific asks and to make

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Speaker 1: the comparison. So at Brown University, they had protests, they

853
00:41:18,600 --> 00:41:21,439
Speaker 1: had an encampment, and the administration met with them said,

854
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Speaker 1: you know what, we're not going to commit to divesting,

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Speaker 1: which is the specific ass from like Lockey Martin or

856
00:41:26,880 --> 00:41:30,560
Speaker 1: whoever they invest in. We're but we are going to

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Speaker 1: schedule a vote and it's going to be taken up

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Speaker 1: and we're taking your concerns seriously. Guess what they the

859
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Speaker 1: protests Okay, we're going to disband the encampment were also

860
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Speaker 1: all fine.

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Speaker 2: It also then if they rejected that, then they would

862
00:41:41,400 --> 00:41:43,440
Speaker 2: look a lot worse if they were like if they

863
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Speaker 2: were like, okay, we'll have a vote and you can

864
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Speaker 2: what Brown agreed to, like you said, is not just

865
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Speaker 2: a vote, but they said that you can come and

866
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Speaker 2: you can present your case to the Board of Governors,

867
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Speaker 2: which I think I'm actually totally fine with because that

868
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Speaker 2: means that the Bord of Governors will ultimately make an independentency.

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Speaker 1: It still gets to, I mean, some of the critique

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Speaker 1: that you have sometimes with these institutions, which is like

871
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Speaker 1: why is why are your investments so dear to you,

872
00:42:03,680 --> 00:42:07,759
Speaker 1: like your particular investments, But you're right right exactly, Well, yeah,

873
00:42:07,880 --> 00:42:10,319
Speaker 1: and we see too, you know, Robert Kraft and these

874
00:42:10,360 --> 00:42:12,879
Speaker 1: other large donors in the way they're willing to say, hey,

875
00:42:12,920 --> 00:42:15,360
Speaker 1: we're not going to play goodball if you deal with

876
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Speaker 1: these if you don't crack down on these protesters. So

877
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Speaker 1: then that's how you end up in this utterly absurd situation.

878
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Speaker 1: Just so you know too, Washington Posts had a great

879
00:42:25,000 --> 00:42:28,120
Speaker 1: graphic of the way that these protests have spread like

880
00:42:28,480 --> 00:42:33,920
Speaker 1: wildfire since that initial Columbia University crackdown, which you'll recall

881
00:42:34,520 --> 00:42:37,960
Speaker 1: President of Columbia University gets summoned Capitol Hill to talk

882
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Speaker 1: about anti Semitism on campus and basically she pledges to

883
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Speaker 1: quote unquote do more. In the very next day, the

884
00:42:45,600 --> 00:42:48,400
Speaker 1: cops are brought in and you know, there's a massive

885
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Speaker 1: crackdown and that has sparked a huge uptick in terms

886
00:42:53,600 --> 00:42:56,160
Speaker 1: of the number of these protests across college campuses and

887
00:42:56,280 --> 00:42:59,839
Speaker 1: kids are getting arrested to coast to coast in you know, universities,

888
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Speaker 1: small schools, like I said before, the Ivy League and

889
00:43:02,880 --> 00:43:06,240
Speaker 1: the elite institutions get a lot of the attention Columbia

890
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Speaker 1: does because they're in New York City, but any manner

891
00:43:10,520 --> 00:43:14,160
Speaker 1: and variety small, large, more working class, more upscale of

892
00:43:14,360 --> 00:43:17,320
Speaker 1: schools across the country now are seeing these protest movements

893
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Speaker 1: and attendant crackdowns and arrests. Let's take a look at

894
00:43:20,680 --> 00:43:24,839
Speaker 1: these graphics that the Washington Posts pulled together, so you

895
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Speaker 1: can see there on the left they have the protests

896
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Speaker 1: that amror protests, the size of the protests at the

897
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Speaker 1: week beginning April tenth. Then you have the crackdown at

898
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Speaker 1: Columbia that was on April twenty third, you can see

899
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Speaker 1: how they grew, and then after that you can see

900
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Speaker 1: how it really just explodes. And that's when you're talking

901
00:43:47,040 --> 00:43:50,880
Speaker 1: about you know, any number of schools, coast to coast,

902
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Speaker 1: types of schools, you know, elite, normal state institutions, and

903
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Speaker 1: everything in between. So if your goal was to actually

904
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Speaker 1: diminished the energy of this protest movement, congratulations, you've done

905
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Speaker 1: exactly exactly the opposite. And if you think these students

906
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Speaker 1: are going to stop now because of what they've seen,

907
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Speaker 1: I've got another thing coming for you. Let's go ahead

908
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Speaker 1: and move on to the White House response, which has

909
00:44:18,480 --> 00:44:23,399
Speaker 1: also been pissed. Poor Korean. John Pierre was asked specifically

910
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Speaker 1: about those UCLA counter protesters pro Israel counter protesters assaulting

911
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Speaker 1: the anti war activists. Didn't have a lot to say

912
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Speaker 1: about that. Let's take a listen.

913
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Speaker 10: I'm wondering if the White House has any response to

914
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Speaker 10: the reports of violent clashes on UCLA's campus last night

915
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Speaker 10: that there was a group of counter protesters that tried

916
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Speaker 10: to fortunately dismantle the pro Pala sign encampment and the

917
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Speaker 10: clash that resulted afterwards.

918
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Speaker 13: So, look what I can say more broadly, any form

919
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Speaker 13: of violence we are going to denounce. We're going to

920
00:44:54,680 --> 00:45:00,080
Speaker 13: call out violent rhetoric, any type of violence we have

921
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Speaker 13: to call out. That doesn't change anything.

922
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Speaker 14: We're going to continue to do that, and that could

923
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Speaker 14: quin on the communications with protests and people related to protests.

924
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Speaker 14: Has the President spoken to Mayor Adams since the NYPD

925
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Speaker 14: became involved in dealing.

926
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Speaker 13: With them, You know, understand the question. Don't have anything

927
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Speaker 13: to read out as far as a conversation with the

928
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Speaker 13: mayor from the President, but I think we've been very

929
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Speaker 13: very clear about what we're seeing on the ground. I've

930
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Speaker 13: been answering these questions for the past couple of days.

931
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Speaker 3: Go ahead, thanks.

932
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Speaker 1: So, I think it's really important to understand the role

933
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Speaker 1: that the Biden administration has played in green lighting these

934
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Speaker 1: unhinged crackdowns. And you know, Biden put out multiple statements

935
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Speaker 1: smearing the kids as these college students, as terrorists, effectively

936
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Speaker 1: anti Semitic, et cetera. And very soon after this, you know,

937
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Speaker 1: specifically with regards to Columbia, put down a statement and

938
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Speaker 1: that's when you see all the heavy artillery broad in

939
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Speaker 1: in one thousand member police response, and so funny how

940
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Speaker 1: when you get asked specifically about actual violence that happened,

941
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Speaker 1: the language is very well, in general, we condemn violence,

942
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Speaker 1: but you're not going to have this specific violence. You

943
00:46:08,880 --> 00:46:12,080
Speaker 1: don't actually have anything to say about this specifically at all.

944
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Speaker 1: You're just vaguely Yeah, of course we theoretically condemn violence

945
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Speaker 1: if that happened. It's just it's so clear the bias

946
00:46:21,760 --> 00:46:24,520
Speaker 1: here and how differently these two groups are treated.

947
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Speaker 2: I would like to live in a world with White

948
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Speaker 2: House doesn't have an opinion on all this stuff.

949
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Speaker 3: I've said this before.

950
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Speaker 2: I don't think they really should be weighing in on

951
00:46:30,239 --> 00:46:33,399
Speaker 2: local matters at UCLA and everywhere else. But if we're

952
00:46:33,400 --> 00:46:34,800
Speaker 2: going to live in a world where we're going to

953
00:46:34,880 --> 00:46:38,360
Speaker 2: take you a single transperson or whatever is like allegedly

954
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Speaker 2: assaulted somewhere and that's a national demanding of a white

955
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Speaker 2: House statement, or here in the Columbia case, it's like

956
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Speaker 2: anti semitism is deplorable. But then we're going to ignore

957
00:46:48,120 --> 00:46:51,280
Speaker 2: like violence over here on this side and just issue

958
00:46:51,360 --> 00:46:54,200
Speaker 2: like no statement, then yeah, you look like an idiot

959
00:46:54,239 --> 00:46:56,480
Speaker 2: and a hypocrite, and I think it is very obvious

960
00:46:56,920 --> 00:46:58,880
Speaker 2: what is happening here now, and that's part of the

961
00:46:58,960 --> 00:47:03,040
Speaker 2: dishonesty in this is honestly driving me really crazy because

962
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Speaker 2: what we're watching again is that we basically have a

963
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Speaker 2: fake moral panic which is being used to construct the

964
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Speaker 2: biggest expansion of the DEI regime in let's say, since

965
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Speaker 2: the nineteen sixty four Civil Rights Act. What we are

966
00:47:19,320 --> 00:47:23,080
Speaker 2: watching today is our Congress past a piece of legislation

967
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Speaker 2: that declares and expands the definition of anti semitism to

968
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Speaker 2: opposition of the State of Israel, codifying that into the

969
00:47:30,880 --> 00:47:33,880
Speaker 2: Civil Rights Act, and then empowering the Office of the

970
00:47:33,920 --> 00:47:37,040
Speaker 2: Civil Rights Act in the Department of Justice to prosecute

971
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Speaker 2: universities and potentially Christal even you or I as commentators,

972
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Speaker 2: as American citizens. And I can tell you this, like,

973
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Speaker 2: maybe they won't come after us, but they very well

974
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Speaker 2: could under the text of that legislation. And I've warned

975
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Speaker 2: about this from the very beginning against Bill Ackman and

976
00:47:52,080 --> 00:47:54,719
Speaker 2: all these other folks, is that they don't want Jews

977
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Speaker 2: to be considered like everybody else. They want them included

978
00:47:59,160 --> 00:48:03,520
Speaker 2: as marginal a bipoc, LGBTQ and all this other stuff.

979
00:48:03,560 --> 00:48:07,719
Speaker 2: This is a liberal expansion of the regime being used

980
00:48:07,719 --> 00:48:10,920
Speaker 2: to try and crush speech in the future, and you know,

981
00:48:11,000 --> 00:48:11,960
Speaker 2: we have to speak out.

982
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Speaker 3: We have to stand against.

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Speaker 1: This absolutely, absolutely, and listen. It's another thing that drives

984
00:48:19,560 --> 00:48:23,120
Speaker 1: me insane is it's really not about protecting Jewish students.

985
00:48:23,280 --> 00:48:26,200
Speaker 1: That's bullshit, because there are so many Jewish students who

986
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Speaker 1: are you know, being assaulted and arrested and you know,

987
00:48:30,200 --> 00:48:34,040
Speaker 1: assaulted by pro Israel protesters. In fact, you mentioned Bill Acne.

988
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Speaker 1: Can put this next piece up on the screen. He

989
00:48:36,360 --> 00:48:37,799
Speaker 1: helped to fund. I think it was one of the

990
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Speaker 1: top funders, if not the top funder of that violent

991
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Speaker 1: pro Israel counter protest that assaulted many students at UCLA,

992
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Speaker 1: included among them, probably since so many Jewish students are

993
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Speaker 1: involved in the anti war protest Jewish students, so they

994
00:48:54,880 --> 00:48:58,360
Speaker 1: don't actually care about Jewish students safety. And Jessica Seinfeld,

995
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Speaker 1: by the way, Jerry Seinfeld's wife also so kicked in

996
00:49:00,800 --> 00:49:03,960
Speaker 1: a number of thousands of dollars to these violent thugs

997
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Speaker 1: who rampaged and shot rockets and assaulted anti word demonstrators

998
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Speaker 1: for hours before the cops showed up. So it's nonsense

999
00:49:12,560 --> 00:49:14,960
Speaker 1: that they even care about Jewish student safety. No, they

1000
00:49:15,000 --> 00:49:18,120
Speaker 1: care about this ideology of Zionism. That's what they care about,

1001
00:49:18,120 --> 00:49:20,840
Speaker 1: and that's fine. They're allowed to care about that. That's fine.

1002
00:49:21,000 --> 00:49:24,320
Speaker 1: But don't conflate it like this is a religious sectarian conflict.

1003
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Speaker 1: It's not. And certainly do not go and ban Americans

1004
00:49:30,280 --> 00:49:34,400
Speaker 1: from having a critique of a foreign government. You know,

1005
00:49:34,480 --> 00:49:36,880
Speaker 1: I a couple things cyber and response to what you

1006
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Speaker 1: were saying. I was actually talking to Kyle about this

1007
00:49:38,680 --> 00:49:41,320
Speaker 1: last night. I remember how when Trump was first elected,

1008
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Speaker 1: there was like some resistance lived journalist who would post

1009
00:49:44,440 --> 00:49:47,440
Speaker 1: every day like it's day number whatever. And I'm still afraid,

1010
00:49:47,560 --> 00:49:49,320
Speaker 1: like they thought they were going to be like rounded

1011
00:49:49,360 --> 00:49:52,000
Speaker 1: up and arrested by Trump, which, listening as his own

1012
00:49:52,040 --> 00:49:56,080
Speaker 1: authoritarian in stings, I'm not gonna like whatever is certainly

1013
00:49:56,120 --> 00:49:59,880
Speaker 1: the case. We have never been more actually a danger

1014
00:50:00,160 --> 00:50:03,359
Speaker 1: of being arrested, criminalized whatever for our views.

1015
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Speaker 2: Then right now, oh, absolutely, especially here on the show

1016
00:50:06,120 --> 00:50:07,320
Speaker 2: that you're absolutely right.

1017
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Speaker 1: And it's because it's because of the bipartisan consensus around this.

1018
00:50:11,000 --> 00:50:12,680
Speaker 1: I mean, this is we've talked about this a lot

1019
00:50:12,680 --> 00:50:14,719
Speaker 1: in other context, like the times when you should really

1020
00:50:14,760 --> 00:50:17,160
Speaker 1: be scared are when you have the elites of both

1021
00:50:17,200 --> 00:50:22,840
Speaker 1: parties agreeing on a pro censorship regime or a security

1022
00:50:22,880 --> 00:50:25,279
Speaker 1: state expansion. We've seen this many times. We saw it

1023
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Speaker 1: during the Iraq War. The other thing that I've been

1024
00:50:27,680 --> 00:50:30,880
Speaker 1: thinking about is like, you know, obviously it's easiest for

1025
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Speaker 1: me to compare to my own historical experience because we

1026
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Speaker 1: live through it and I have a very fine grasp

1027
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Speaker 1: on what the climate was like. There was a lot

1028
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Speaker 1: of hysteria around the anti war movement during the Iraq

1029
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Speaker 1: War and build up to the Iraq War as well,

1030
00:50:46,320 --> 00:50:49,760
Speaker 1: but people were smeared as being traders and how you stand,

1031
00:50:49,840 --> 00:50:52,360
Speaker 1: You got to stand with the president, blah blah blah.

1032
00:50:52,520 --> 00:50:56,719
Speaker 1: But there was never any effort to actually like criminalize

1033
00:50:56,840 --> 00:51:00,680
Speaker 1: or say you can't even say these things in that way.

1034
00:51:00,719 --> 00:51:04,400
Speaker 1: This is it really is extraordinary different. And it also

1035
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Speaker 1: harkens back to I mean, we've had laws on the

1036
00:51:06,520 --> 00:51:09,840
Speaker 1: books in many states now for years that's anti BDS

1037
00:51:09,960 --> 00:51:12,960
Speaker 1: laws that's codify exactly the same thing of like you

1038
00:51:13,000 --> 00:51:16,920
Speaker 1: are not allowed to boycott or divest, or you're not

1039
00:51:16,960 --> 00:51:19,800
Speaker 1: allowed to participate in this boycott movement against a foreign government.

1040
00:51:19,800 --> 00:51:22,200
Speaker 1: You can boycott our own government, but you can boycott

1041
00:51:22,200 --> 00:51:26,640
Speaker 1: this random foreign government. It's complete infringement on our rights.

1042
00:51:27,160 --> 00:51:31,680
Speaker 1: It is absolutely a gateway to if you're cool with

1043
00:51:31,719 --> 00:51:34,520
Speaker 1: this particular expansion, what you think it's going to stop there?

1044
00:51:35,000 --> 00:51:38,600
Speaker 1: Give me a break. This the expansion of the censorship

1045
00:51:38,640 --> 00:51:41,880
Speaker 1: regime here is truly astonishing. And I can't not that

1046
00:51:42,120 --> 00:51:45,759
Speaker 1: anyone you know, changes their mind because they're called a hypocrite.

1047
00:51:46,000 --> 00:51:48,240
Speaker 1: But we had a whole movement of people who claimed

1048
00:51:48,239 --> 00:51:50,719
Speaker 1: that campus free speech was like the biggest issue of

1049
00:51:50,760 --> 00:51:53,360
Speaker 1: their time and that they really deeply cared about it.

1050
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Speaker 1: And now you have an actual House vote to codify

1051
00:51:59,239 --> 00:52:03,919
Speaker 1: censorship and ban criticism of a foreign government. And they're

1052
00:52:03,960 --> 00:52:05,480
Speaker 1: on board with it. It's not even that you don't

1053
00:52:05,480 --> 00:52:08,080
Speaker 1: hear about you just they're by and large they're on

1054
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Speaker 1: board with it.

1055
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Speaker 4: Yeah.

1056
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Speaker 3: No, you are absolutely right, Crystal, And let's get to

1057
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Speaker 3: some of that.

1058
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Speaker 2: Let's go ahead and put this up there on the

1059
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Speaker 2: screen as well, because this is what stage is that

1060
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Speaker 2: quote unquote democrats enter panic mode as the Gaza protests erupt.

1061
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Speaker 3: So you basically have two options. Whenever you're in panic mode.

1062
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Speaker 2: You can continue to go after or you can pull back,

1063
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Speaker 2: and you can try to understand what is going on.

1064
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Speaker 3: Well, what do we think all happened.

1065
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Speaker 2: Well, we had the introduction and now the passage of

1066
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Speaker 2: a quote unquote anti semitism piece of legislation now through

1067
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Speaker 2: our Congress.

1068
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Speaker 3: Let's go and put this up there on the screen.

1069
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Speaker 2: Shout out to Representative Thomas Massey, a genuine hero on

1070
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Speaker 2: this subject, who says, today the House will vote on

1071
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Speaker 2: a bill to define anti Semitism with the intent to

1072
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Speaker 2: increase prosecutions of activity on campus. This bill has a

1073
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Speaker 2: problem beyond violating the First Amendment. The definition of anti

1074
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Speaker 2: Semitism appears nowhere in the bill. What they see is

1075
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Speaker 2: that they are going to codify into law definition of

1076
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Speaker 2: anti Semitism that was introduced by the International Holocaust Museum

1077
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Speaker 2: and Remembrance Organization.

1078
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Speaker 3: Now it's very clear, because.

1079
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Speaker 2: I want to read examples of what we'll be called

1080
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Speaker 2: anti Semitic quote unquote making accusing Jews as people being

1081
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Speaker 2: responsible for real or imagined wrongdoing committed by a single

1082
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Speaker 2: Jewish person or group, or even acts were committed by

1083
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Speaker 2: non Jews, denying the fact, scope, mechanisms, or intentionality of

1084
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Speaker 2: the genocide of the Jewish people at the hands of

1085
00:53:25,520 --> 00:53:29,160
Speaker 2: the Nazi Party. So basically, Holocaust denile is now illegal

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00:53:29,640 --> 00:53:30,520
Speaker 2: under US law.

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00:53:30,560 --> 00:53:31,319
Speaker 3: If this is where to.

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00:53:31,280 --> 00:53:34,120
Speaker 1: Pass, Dana Bass, I don't sorry about you downplaying the

1089
00:53:34,160 --> 00:53:35,960
Speaker 1: events leading up to I.

1090
00:53:36,000 --> 00:53:39,239
Speaker 2: Do not support Holocaust denile, obviously, but I think people

1091
00:53:39,280 --> 00:53:40,359
Speaker 2: should have the right to say it.

1092
00:53:40,400 --> 00:53:42,239
Speaker 3: And if you don't disagree. If you disagree with me,

1093
00:53:42,520 --> 00:53:42,960
Speaker 3: you can.

1094
00:53:42,920 --> 00:53:45,759
Speaker 2: Go and look at the speech of Mark Zuckerberg in

1095
00:53:45,800 --> 00:53:49,480
Speaker 2: twenty eighteen where he specifically defended holocaust de isle on

1096
00:53:49,480 --> 00:53:53,560
Speaker 2: the Facebook platform under well established First Amendment law. For

1097
00:53:53,800 --> 00:53:56,840
Speaker 2: this is my other personal favorite. Accusing Jewish citizens of

1098
00:53:56,880 --> 00:53:59,800
Speaker 2: being more loyal to Israel or to the alleged priorities

1099
00:53:59,840 --> 00:54:03,760
Speaker 2: of use worldwide to the interests of their own nation. Again,

1100
00:54:04,000 --> 00:54:08,439
Speaker 2: once again dual loyalty accusations. They can be tricky. I'll

1101
00:54:08,440 --> 00:54:10,839
Speaker 2: be honest, This conflict has actually convinced me. It's more

1102
00:54:10,880 --> 00:54:13,319
Speaker 2: of a real problem than I ever thought before, and

1103
00:54:13,680 --> 00:54:15,800
Speaker 2: I believe it is my right as an American citizen

1104
00:54:16,040 --> 00:54:20,680
Speaker 2: to accuse somebody of having dual loyalty if I suspect so. Similarly,

1105
00:54:21,080 --> 00:54:24,920
Speaker 2: it says applying double standards by requiring a behavior not

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00:54:25,000 --> 00:54:28,600
Speaker 2: expected or demanded of any other democratic nation, so that

1107
00:54:28,760 --> 00:54:32,800
Speaker 2: means directly criticizing the standards of the State of Israel

1108
00:54:32,800 --> 00:54:36,160
Speaker 2: and their prosecution of this war would then be considered

1109
00:54:36,239 --> 00:54:40,480
Speaker 2: anti Semitic under US law. And who wants to guess

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00:54:40,719 --> 00:54:44,000
Speaker 2: that this law passed the House of Representatives with over

1111
00:54:44,120 --> 00:54:48,759
Speaker 2: three hundred votes just last night. It is stunning, it's astounding.

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00:54:48,800 --> 00:54:51,399
Speaker 2: Put this up there, please, just to show everybody look

1113
00:54:51,400 --> 00:54:54,799
Speaker 2: at this. I mean, one hundred and eighty seven Republicans

1114
00:54:54,960 --> 00:54:58,319
Speaker 2: voted yes, one hundred and three Democrats, only twenty one

1115
00:54:58,360 --> 00:55:01,640
Speaker 2: Republicans and seventy Democrats voted No. Crystal three one hundred

1116
00:55:01,680 --> 00:55:05,560
Speaker 2: and twenty to ninety one to mandate that the Education

1117
00:55:05,760 --> 00:55:12,080
Speaker 2: Department use this definition when enforcing federal anti discrimination law,

1118
00:55:12,320 --> 00:55:16,000
Speaker 2: meaning that campus is any organization subject to the Civil

1119
00:55:16,080 --> 00:55:18,680
Speaker 2: Rights Act which all of us are, either as employers,

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00:55:18,800 --> 00:55:22,440
Speaker 2: as educations, and others, will then be liable to prosecution

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Speaker 2: under this. It's just insane, it's outrageous.

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Speaker 1: And you know what another item in this definition of

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00:55:28,760 --> 00:55:31,920
Speaker 1: anti semitism says you're not allowed to draw comparisons of

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00:55:31,920 --> 00:55:35,480
Speaker 1: contemporary Israeli policy to that of the Nazis. And again

1125
00:55:35,880 --> 00:55:41,440
Speaker 1: it's not like like no matter what they do, like

1126
00:55:41,520 --> 00:55:44,960
Speaker 1: they can actually do a full on genocide, and you're

1127
00:55:45,000 --> 00:55:47,480
Speaker 1: not allowed to say the word Nazi in comparison because

1128
00:55:47,480 --> 00:55:50,480
Speaker 1: some of the ideology is very reminiscent. Sorry it is,

1129
00:55:51,000 --> 00:55:53,799
Speaker 1: and that what I just said is now apparently that's

1130
00:55:53,960 --> 00:55:57,000
Speaker 1: that's criminal as illegal according to this vote in the House.

1131
00:55:57,320 --> 00:55:59,920
Speaker 1: And the other one, which is ironic to me is

1132
00:56:00,320 --> 00:56:03,680
Speaker 1: quote holding Jews collectively responsible for actions of the State

1133
00:56:03,800 --> 00:56:07,040
Speaker 1: of Israel. Well, actually it's these Zionists who I see

1134
00:56:07,080 --> 00:56:09,799
Speaker 1: doing that by and large, who I see making an

1135
00:56:09,840 --> 00:56:15,520
Speaker 1: aggressive attempt to conflate Judaism and all Jewish people with

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00:56:15,680 --> 00:56:18,640
Speaker 1: the actions of the State of Israel. That happens almost

1137
00:56:18,719 --> 00:56:22,560
Speaker 1: exclusively on that side of the Ledger. But you know

1138
00:56:22,600 --> 00:56:25,480
Speaker 1: when they do it, when they say, you know, we

1139
00:56:25,560 --> 00:56:27,600
Speaker 1: want the Jews of the future to be able to

1140
00:56:27,680 --> 00:56:29,600
Speaker 1: look back and say that's what we did in our

1141
00:56:29,640 --> 00:56:31,880
Speaker 1: destruction of Goz or whatever the quote was from some

1142
00:56:32,000 --> 00:56:35,920
Speaker 1: Israeli minister, then that's not anti Semitic. When they demand

1143
00:56:36,600 --> 00:56:40,640
Speaker 1: that every single Jew in the world be conflated and

1144
00:56:40,719 --> 00:56:43,399
Speaker 1: associated with the State of Israel, when Joe Biden says

1145
00:56:43,480 --> 00:56:45,680
Speaker 1: no Jews will be safe without the State of Israel.

1146
00:56:46,040 --> 00:56:48,520
Speaker 1: When they do it, oh, that's not anti Semitic, but

1147
00:56:48,960 --> 00:56:52,160
Speaker 1: I don't even hear. In fact, the overwhelming number of

1148
00:56:52,200 --> 00:56:55,560
Speaker 1: people on the anti war side are at pains to

1149
00:56:55,600 --> 00:56:58,920
Speaker 1: say Judaism and Zionism are not the same thing. And

1150
00:56:58,960 --> 00:57:01,520
Speaker 1: that's so clear because you you have so many Zionists

1151
00:57:01,520 --> 00:57:03,880
Speaker 1: who are not Jewish, and we have very clearly in

1152
00:57:03,920 --> 00:57:06,799
Speaker 1: this movement so many anti Zionists who are Jewish, So

1153
00:57:06,840 --> 00:57:10,279
Speaker 1: they're not two the same things. Zionism is a political ideology.

1154
00:57:10,560 --> 00:57:12,600
Speaker 1: Israel is a nation state that, by the way, doesn't

1155
00:57:12,600 --> 00:57:17,880
Speaker 1: only contain Jewish people. So it's just if you look

1156
00:57:17,920 --> 00:57:21,360
Speaker 1: at this, it's very clearly an effort to make it

1157
00:57:21,480 --> 00:57:26,400
Speaker 1: so that you cannot criticize the State of Israel without

1158
00:57:26,400 --> 00:57:29,439
Speaker 1: being tarred as an officially by the government, tarred as

1159
00:57:29,440 --> 00:57:32,560
Speaker 1: an anti semi. This is the fondest wish of you know,

1160
00:57:32,640 --> 00:57:35,840
Speaker 1: the ADL, the State of Israel. They were pushing this

1161
00:57:36,040 --> 00:57:39,360
Speaker 1: view for years and years and years, and now you

1162
00:57:39,480 --> 00:57:45,080
Speaker 1: have overwhelming majorities in the House voting in favor. You

1163
00:57:45,120 --> 00:57:48,120
Speaker 1: can bet there will be similarly overwhelming margins of the Senate,

1164
00:57:48,120 --> 00:57:50,840
Speaker 1: if not more so. You can bet Joe Biden will

1165
00:57:50,840 --> 00:57:55,600
Speaker 1: certainly sign this into law. And it's it's complete insanity,

1166
00:57:55,680 --> 00:57:57,320
Speaker 1: and it doesn't end here. By the way, it doesn't

1167
00:57:57,400 --> 00:57:59,080
Speaker 1: end here. Once you open the door to hey, we

1168
00:57:59,120 --> 00:58:01,680
Speaker 1: can codify what is hate speech. We can you know,

1169
00:58:02,000 --> 00:58:04,120
Speaker 1: make it official at the Department of Education, and your

1170
00:58:04,120 --> 00:58:06,600
Speaker 1: federal funding can be revoked if we feel that you're

1171
00:58:06,920 --> 00:58:09,240
Speaker 1: you know, questioning the state of Israel in a way

1172
00:58:09,240 --> 00:58:12,720
Speaker 1: that we don't like. It does not stop there. It's

1173
00:58:12,840 --> 00:58:13,680
Speaker 1: so outrageous.

1174
00:58:13,680 --> 00:58:15,360
Speaker 2: I could scarcely wrote my head it's crazy, and I

1175
00:58:15,440 --> 00:58:17,080
Speaker 2: just want to again flip it around. This is what

1176
00:58:17,160 --> 00:58:19,240
Speaker 2: drives me crazy, is you know, Okay, I'm Indian, so

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00:58:19,400 --> 00:58:21,480
Speaker 2: and we're by the way, we're the richest people in America.

1178
00:58:21,800 --> 00:58:23,760
Speaker 2: We could if we wanted to exert this amount of

1179
00:58:23,920 --> 00:58:27,440
Speaker 2: political power. What if we had a highly funded lobby

1180
00:58:27,680 --> 00:58:31,920
Speaker 2: to make the government pass a law disputing territorial claims

1181
00:58:31,920 --> 00:58:34,960
Speaker 2: on Kashmir and said that you could, you would be

1182
00:58:35,200 --> 00:58:38,720
Speaker 2: that basically would criminalize the speech, let's say, of Pakistani Americans.

1183
00:58:39,000 --> 00:58:41,240
Speaker 2: Do you think that would be acceptable or would you

1184
00:58:41,240 --> 00:58:44,480
Speaker 2: think that that's an outrageous abuse by a foreign power

1185
00:58:45,040 --> 00:58:48,080
Speaker 2: who has been, you know, propping up our diaspora community

1186
00:58:48,280 --> 00:58:52,440
Speaker 2: to enforce outside norms. Now, listen, I'm Indian but I

1187
00:58:52,440 --> 00:58:55,400
Speaker 2: would speak out against that. But why do they get

1188
00:58:55,440 --> 00:58:57,840
Speaker 2: a special carve out and why do they you know,

1189
00:58:58,280 --> 00:59:03,320
Speaker 2: they want the US government to enforce their territorial acquisitional

1190
00:59:03,840 --> 00:59:07,920
Speaker 2: dreams on the speech of US citizens on college campuses.

1191
00:59:07,960 --> 00:59:10,600
Speaker 2: But you're right, the ground for this was laid in

1192
00:59:10,640 --> 00:59:13,400
Speaker 2: the BDS laws. They've always been on. Our only hope

1193
00:59:13,400 --> 00:59:15,400
Speaker 2: in this case is the Supreme Court. I pray, I

1194
00:59:15,520 --> 00:59:17,800
Speaker 2: pray you know that something like this actually would make

1195
00:59:17,840 --> 00:59:19,920
Speaker 2: it up to SCOTUS. But to be honest, you know,

1196
00:59:19,960 --> 00:59:22,720
Speaker 2: with the current makeup, we don't know for sure.

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00:59:22,760 --> 00:59:27,920
Speaker 1: Typically in most instances where the ANTIBEDS laws have been challenged,

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Speaker 1: they've been struck down.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, that's it's a state court level. It's never made

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Speaker 2: it to SCOTUS.

1201
00:59:32,680 --> 00:59:36,440
Speaker 1: So I mean that is somewhat hopeful. But yeah, I

1202
00:59:36,520 --> 00:59:39,240
Speaker 1: mean that is our only hope because the bipartisan consensus

1203
00:59:39,280 --> 00:59:41,560
Speaker 1: is in favor of using the full force of the

1204
00:59:41,600 --> 00:59:45,920
Speaker 1: federal government to tell people how, how and when they

1205
00:59:45,920 --> 00:59:49,320
Speaker 1: are allowed to criticize the state of Israel, and every

1206
00:59:49,360 --> 00:59:51,760
Speaker 1: American who cares about their free speech rights, I don't

1207
00:59:51,760 --> 00:59:54,760
Speaker 1: care where you are on the you know, on the

1208
00:59:54,800 --> 00:59:58,000
Speaker 1: spectrum of opinion about this particular conflict. It really doesn't

1209
00:59:58,000 --> 01:00:01,440
Speaker 1: matter because it's about so it's about a core right

1210
01:00:01,960 --> 01:00:05,560
Speaker 1: as an American citizen, a cherished right. And if you

1211
01:00:05,680 --> 01:00:07,720
Speaker 1: happen to be on the right side of elite opinion

1212
01:00:07,760 --> 01:00:11,520
Speaker 1: on this one, okay, but it will come for you.

1213
01:00:12,080 --> 01:00:15,080
Speaker 1: There will be some opinion that you have that is

1214
01:00:15,080 --> 01:00:19,040
Speaker 1: deemed outside of acceptability, and now these same powers can

1215
01:00:19,080 --> 01:00:22,680
Speaker 1: be used against you as well. You know, free speech

1216
01:00:23,040 --> 01:00:26,760
Speaker 1: First Amendment rights are about protecting speech that is challenging

1217
01:00:27,160 --> 01:00:30,760
Speaker 1: to elite consensus, that is can be outright offensive at times.

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01:00:30,800 --> 01:00:32,880
Speaker 1: As I said before, there is no hate speech carve

1219
01:00:32,960 --> 01:00:36,240
Speaker 1: out in the First Amendment, you know. I mean the

1220
01:00:36,280 --> 01:00:39,439
Speaker 1: Skokie case. You had literal neo Nazis mark marching through

1221
01:00:39,600 --> 01:00:43,560
Speaker 1: a predominantly Jewish town. Okay, that's offensive as it could

1222
01:00:43,600 --> 01:00:47,120
Speaker 1: possibly be. We had literal neo Nazis marching through Charleston,

1223
01:00:47,160 --> 01:00:49,840
Speaker 1: West Virginia. I think they're disgusting, but I think they

1224
01:00:49,880 --> 01:00:51,320
Speaker 1: have a right to do it. You know, I was

1225
01:00:51,360 --> 01:00:55,720
Speaker 1: on the side of allowing the Charlottesville ultimately like neo

1226
01:00:55,800 --> 01:00:59,320
Speaker 1: Nazi rioters to have what should have been a piece.

1227
01:00:59,400 --> 01:01:01,560
Speaker 1: If they had just march piece, I would have supported

1228
01:01:01,600 --> 01:01:02,240
Speaker 1: their right to do it.

1229
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Speaker 2: I didn't know that they tried to block it. Oh

1230
01:01:04,640 --> 01:01:05,200
Speaker 2: that's crazy.

1231
01:01:05,240 --> 01:01:06,840
Speaker 1: There was. Actually it was a whole fall out of

1232
01:01:06,840 --> 01:01:10,000
Speaker 1: the ACLU because the ACL you backed their permit to

1233
01:01:10,080 --> 01:01:13,440
Speaker 1: have this march. And then this is part of what

1234
01:01:13,600 --> 01:01:15,680
Speaker 1: led to the ACL you get a little squishy and

1235
01:01:15,720 --> 01:01:19,000
Speaker 1: their free speech principles because they had raised a lot

1236
01:01:19,000 --> 01:01:21,800
Speaker 1: of money in the trump eras, like you know, resistance organization,

1237
01:01:21,920 --> 01:01:23,720
Speaker 1: So those are the types of people they had on board.

1238
01:01:23,760 --> 01:01:25,760
Speaker 1: So it caused big schism there. But in any case,

1239
01:01:25,920 --> 01:01:28,640
Speaker 1: this is all just to say, like offensive speech also

1240
01:01:28,760 --> 01:01:32,880
Speaker 1: is protected. Hate speech, sorry, it also is protected. I

1241
01:01:32,880 --> 01:01:35,680
Speaker 1: don't think that that's what these anti war protesters have

1242
01:01:35,760 --> 01:01:40,200
Speaker 1: been doing. I wildly disagree with the mischaracterization of like

1243
01:01:40,240 --> 01:01:43,160
Speaker 1: their rally chants and whatever. But listen, if you're offended

1244
01:01:43,200 --> 01:01:45,560
Speaker 1: by it, that's your right, you can be. That's okay.

1245
01:01:45,960 --> 01:01:48,240
Speaker 1: That doesn't mean that it should be criminalized. And that's

1246
01:01:48,280 --> 01:01:49,880
Speaker 1: exactly the path that we're moving towards.

1247
01:01:49,960 --> 01:01:50,880
Speaker 3: Agree one hundred percent.

1248
01:01:53,320 --> 01:01:55,400
Speaker 1: All right, guys, So have some updates for you coming

1249
01:01:55,440 --> 01:01:58,640
Speaker 1: out of Israel's specially with regards to these ongoing potential

1250
01:01:58,680 --> 01:02:01,320
Speaker 1: ceasefire negotiations, so we can put this up on the screen.

1251
01:02:01,360 --> 01:02:04,640
Speaker 1: Another big screw you from bib to the US. He

1252
01:02:04,720 --> 01:02:08,560
Speaker 1: told Secretary of State Anthony Blincoln he will not agree

1253
01:02:08,640 --> 01:02:11,320
Speaker 1: to end the war on Hamas as part of the

1254
01:02:11,360 --> 01:02:13,520
Speaker 1: hostage deal. Of course it's been we're on the entire

1255
01:02:13,560 --> 01:02:15,920
Speaker 1: Gaza strip, but put that aside for a moment. He

1256
01:02:16,000 --> 01:02:17,959
Speaker 1: told him he wouldn't accept an end to the war.

1257
01:02:18,600 --> 01:02:20,840
Speaker 1: He said, we are interested in reaching a deal and

1258
01:02:20,920 --> 01:02:25,040
Speaker 1: determined to topple Hamas. Israel conveys latest offerreed amaster Egyptian

1259
01:02:25,080 --> 01:02:28,280
Speaker 1: mediators late last week, expecting response Wednesday evening. We don't

1260
01:02:28,280 --> 01:02:30,480
Speaker 1: have an update for you this morning, and Israeli official

1261
01:02:30,560 --> 01:02:33,120
Speaker 1: told The Times of Israel. He also told Blincoln that

1262
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Speaker 1: a hostage deal with Hamas does not mean an invasion

1263
01:02:36,160 --> 01:02:40,120
Speaker 1: of Rafa would be avoided. Details of this deal, sager,

1264
01:02:40,200 --> 01:02:43,120
Speaker 1: such as we know them is that you know Israel

1265
01:02:43,240 --> 01:02:47,240
Speaker 1: wants just a forty day ceasefire is basically what they

1266
01:02:47,280 --> 01:02:51,600
Speaker 1: have floated. Hamas wants a permanent ceasefire. The way this

1267
01:02:51,680 --> 01:02:54,440
Speaker 1: has been painted in Western media is basically Hamas is

1268
01:02:54,480 --> 01:02:56,480
Speaker 1: the whole obstacle to any sort of a deal. But

1269
01:02:56,640 --> 01:03:01,040
Speaker 1: in reality, this is a negotiation and Israel's saying basically like, yeah,

1270
01:03:01,040 --> 01:03:03,040
Speaker 1: we'll pause for forty days, but then we promise we

1271
01:03:03,080 --> 01:03:06,000
Speaker 1: are going to still do our full on assault on Rafa,

1272
01:03:06,120 --> 01:03:09,600
Speaker 1: including the reporting that we provided earlier in the week,

1273
01:03:09,640 --> 01:03:11,480
Speaker 1: or that we shared with you earlier in the week

1274
01:03:11,520 --> 01:03:14,840
Speaker 1: about how the Israelis are setting up checkpoints to make

1275
01:03:14,880 --> 01:03:19,280
Speaker 1: sure that all military age men are stopped and kept

1276
01:03:19,320 --> 01:03:23,600
Speaker 1: in Rafa as that assault on that city, that planned

1277
01:03:23,640 --> 01:03:28,120
Speaker 1: assault and ground invasion on that city proceeds. And you know,

1278
01:03:28,200 --> 01:03:30,680
Speaker 1: one thing I realized after we talked about that saga,

1279
01:03:30,680 --> 01:03:36,040
Speaker 1: which is really incredibly sick, is the way that the

1280
01:03:36,080 --> 01:03:38,160
Speaker 1: death numbers have been reported in the media and the

1281
01:03:38,160 --> 01:03:40,960
Speaker 1: way that Israel has interpreted the death numbers is basically,

1282
01:03:41,200 --> 01:03:45,160
Speaker 1: any man is deemed and assumed to be a Hamas fighter.

1283
01:03:45,240 --> 01:03:45,720
Speaker 3: That's right.

1284
01:03:45,920 --> 01:03:49,360
Speaker 1: So if you want to improve what the media is

1285
01:03:49,440 --> 01:03:53,000
Speaker 1: claiming to be your ratio of civilian to militant deaths,

1286
01:03:53,480 --> 01:03:56,560
Speaker 1: you just murder a lot of men. Innocent men, non

1287
01:03:56,600 --> 01:03:59,960
Speaker 1: innocent men. Any men are just characterized as some ass militants.

1288
01:04:00,440 --> 01:04:05,080
Speaker 1: So it's a great way to improve your supposed proportional

1289
01:04:05,160 --> 01:04:07,120
Speaker 1: death rate and be able to say, oh, all these men,

1290
01:04:07,120 --> 01:04:11,520
Speaker 1: they're all Hamas fighters, if you just massively slaughter thousands

1291
01:04:11,560 --> 01:04:13,800
Speaker 1: and thousands of men. So I think that's part of

1292
01:04:13,880 --> 01:04:17,160
Speaker 1: the part of the strategy here in terms of what

1293
01:04:17,200 --> 01:04:18,160
Speaker 1: they're planning for Rafa.

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01:04:18,280 --> 01:04:19,560
Speaker 3: No, yeah, it's very possible.

1295
01:04:19,600 --> 01:04:21,360
Speaker 2: And again this is why the death numbers can't really

1296
01:04:21,440 --> 01:04:23,920
Speaker 2: be trusted on all sides. We really have no idea

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Speaker 2: if unall likely, it's probably much higher than at whatever

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Speaker 2: it is, what the proportion is, maybe ten years from

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Speaker 2: now will be lucky if we ever find out. But

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Speaker 2: you flagged this crystal there. It was a development with

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Speaker 2: this Israeli minister smow Tritch.

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Speaker 3: I know you wanted to get to that.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, so you actually had an op ed in Haratz

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Speaker 1: even calling for Smotrich to step down. He's the Israeli

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Speaker 1: finance minister. So his word's a little bit more important

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Speaker 1: than what some random nineteen year old may or may

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Speaker 1: not have said on a college campus somewhere. That's just

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Speaker 1: my personal opinion. On the media doesn't seem to see

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Speaker 1: it that way. We can put some of his latest

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Speaker 1: comments here up on the screen. He says, moments before redemption,

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Speaker 1: we must not hesitate, we must just destroy Rafa. Nuserret

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Speaker 1: and dear al Balah wipe out the memory of Amelek.

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Speaker 1: There's no half measure Rafa dear al balas absolute destruction.

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Speaker 1: So just not even it's not even colorable. It's just

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Speaker 1: out and out genocidal rhetoric from a top and very

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Speaker 1: influential minister within the Netanyahu government. And you know why

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Speaker 1: these statements matter is not just because they say, you know,

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Speaker 1: this is what I always say. Oh, it's just you know,

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Speaker 1: it's heated rhetoric or it's populoust rhetoric or whatever. But

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Speaker 1: it's also consistent and commeasure it with the actions that

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Speaker 1: the government is actually taking. So it's not just that

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Speaker 1: it's words. As you know, if you don't like a

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Speaker 1: rally channel on a college campus, those are just words.

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Speaker 1: Those college students don't have any actual ability to effectuate

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Speaker 1: the policies that they want to see and acted. This man,

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Speaker 1: on the other hand, does, and so that's why it's

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Speaker 1: important to pay attention to things that he's saying and

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Speaker 1: the way that they match up with the reality of

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Speaker 1: the way that they are prosecuting this onslaught. Let's go

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Speaker 1: ahead onto the next one. So apparently Biden is really

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Speaker 1: pinning a lot on these ceasefire talks, which don't frankly,

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Speaker 1: seem to be going all that well because Israel is

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Speaker 1: so insistent on no, we want to continue bombing your

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Speaker 1: children after the ceasefire ends. Let us put this up

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Speaker 1: on the screen. This is Barack revied. He was just

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Speaker 1: honored at the White House Corresponds dinner. By the way,

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Speaker 1: Israel Hamas deal is the only hope for Biden's Middle

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Speaker 1: East strategy. So in this report, he says, President Biden's

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Speaker 1: been personally involved in intense efforts in recent days to

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Speaker 1: reach a hostage and ceasefire deal between Israel Jimas, which

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Speaker 1: he sees as a crucial element of a much wider

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Speaker 1: strategy at home and abroad. President's senior advisers say the

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Speaker 1: deal on the table right now is the only conceivable

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01:06:42,720 --> 01:06:45,400
Speaker 1: path to a ceasefire in Gaza, possibly ending a war

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Speaker 1: that has drawn sharp criticism of Biden among some of

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Speaker 1: his key supporters ahead of the presidential election. Even White

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Speaker 1: House spokesperson John Kirby admitted as much on Tuesday, saying

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Speaker 1: he Biden's putting all his focus on the hostage deal. Quote.

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Speaker 1: There just has to be a deal, he said when

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Speaker 1: asked about a Plan B. If negotiations aren't successful, temporary

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01:07:03,560 --> 01:07:06,280
Speaker 1: seaesfare could also turn into a permanent one, although Bobe's

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01:07:06,280 --> 01:07:08,320
Speaker 1: pretty clear he doesn't want that. That could allow the

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Speaker 1: Biden administration to return in negotiations for a consequential mega

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Speaker 1: deal with Saudi Arabia that the US was working on

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Speaker 1: before October seventh. I'd love to hear your thoughts on

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Speaker 1: this supposed Saudi Arabia mega deal. This has been like

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Speaker 1: the Biden Administration's fantasy from the beginning of this, and

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Speaker 1: I think it's utterly absurd. The Saudis have come out

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Speaker 1: multiple times and said there's no way we're doing this deal,

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Speaker 1: and that's there's actually for real a Palestinian state, and

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Speaker 1: yet the US keeps claiming that this is still like

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Speaker 1: somehow on the table. And the idea is that you'd

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Speaker 1: have a ceasefire, ultimately a permanent ceasefire, and then Saudi

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Speaker 1: would agree to normalization with Israel and exchange for a

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Speaker 1: pathway to two state solution. Problem is Bibi Netanyahu's whole

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Speaker 1: raison deetra is to prevent such a two state solution

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Speaker 1: number one, and the Saudis have been, like I said,

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Speaker 1: very clear that that's a non starter for them.

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Speaker 2: The other problem with that is that, yes, it's contingent

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Speaker 2: on it two state solutions, contingent on Saudi recognition of Israel.

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Speaker 2: Whenever nobody tells you, there's also contingent on a massive

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Speaker 2: weapons transfer from the United States to Saudi Arabia.

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Speaker 1: Like defense guarantee.

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Speaker 2: For defense guarantee from US as well, which would put

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Speaker 2: US even further into de facto war state if Iran

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Speaker 2: were to ever attack them. That's the other thing. Do

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Speaker 2: we all need another treaty alliance with Saudi Arabia? I

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01:08:23,240 --> 01:08:26,599
Speaker 2: don't think so, especially not you know, formalized in this manner,

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Speaker 2: So it would only be an expansion of the US

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Speaker 2: security umbrella. And even and here's the thing, I'm may

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Speaker 2: be willing to trade it if we were actually going

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Speaker 2: to get a two state solution, but I don't think

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Speaker 2: that that's on the table. So then what's the point

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Speaker 2: of this entire thing, And that most likely would lead

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Speaker 2: to the mega deal being instituted first prior to to state,

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Speaker 2: then the Israelis would just never do it, and now

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Speaker 2: we have to sell a bunch of arms in Saudi Arabia.

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Speaker 2: Israel continues to get to do what they want, we

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Speaker 2: continue to sell you know, all the weapons there.

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Speaker 3: So the whole thing is ridiculous.

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Speaker 1: Face, it's not hard to figure out what you would

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Speaker 1: have to do to get to force some sort of

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Speaker 1: a two state solution. Would have to completely withdraw their

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Speaker 1: support for Israel and the weapons I mean, because the

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Speaker 1: reason Israel acts with such insane like impunity and like

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Speaker 1: the bullies that they are, and like you know, going

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Speaker 1: around assassinating Iranian generals and embassies and doing whatever the

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01:09:15,040 --> 01:09:17,840
Speaker 1: hell they want to do is because they know we

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Speaker 1: where their backstop. If we weren't there enabling all of this,

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Speaker 1: Suddenly the power balance is a little different. Suddenly their

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01:09:27,720 --> 01:09:31,479
Speaker 1: behavior is a little constrained. Suddenly there is some incentive

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Speaker 1: to have to like, yeah, I guess we're going to

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01:09:33,080 --> 01:09:35,840
Speaker 1: have to figure this thing out and resolve it because

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01:09:35,880 --> 01:09:38,439
Speaker 1: we no longer have our you know, big buddies down

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01:09:38,479 --> 01:09:40,200
Speaker 1: the block to back us up and ship us our

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01:09:40,240 --> 01:09:42,680
Speaker 1: weapons and provide us with diplomatic cover and all of that.

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Speaker 1: Like it's so clear that's the only way that this

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Speaker 1: dynamic ultimately changes, not going to come through some like

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01:09:49,479 --> 01:09:52,160
Speaker 1: fantasy deal that's never going to happen. With Saudi Arabia,

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Speaker 1: and it's certainly not going to happen. By asking bb Nanya,

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Speaker 1: who pretty please will you change your mind about something

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01:09:57,600 --> 01:10:00,000
Speaker 1: you've been adamant about for literally decades at this point

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01:10:00,640 --> 01:10:03,679
Speaker 1: not going to happen. Something that could have an impact

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Speaker 1: in terms of maybe bringing this word and at some

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01:10:07,600 --> 01:10:12,280
Speaker 1: point in the future is Israeli domestic political opinion is

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Speaker 1: very much in favor of some sort of a ceasefire

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Speaker 1: hostage deal right now. To put this up on the screen,

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Speaker 1: this was a little surprising to me, Zagar. Over half

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01:10:21,120 --> 01:10:24,960
Speaker 1: of even right wing voters in Israel support a hostage deal,

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Speaker 1: even at risk of having elections, which you know, understanding

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Speaker 1: is bbe and that coalition could very much be at

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01:10:30,040 --> 01:10:32,880
Speaker 1: risk if they did have elections right now, So fifty

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Speaker 1: one percent of center right and right wing voter support

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Speaker 1: the signing of a deal to release the hostages being

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Speaker 1: held by Hamas, even at the risk of disbanding the

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Speaker 1: coalition and going to elections. Overall, sixty six percent of

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01:10:44,200 --> 01:10:47,840
Speaker 1: the Israeli public supports signing such a hostage deal even

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Speaker 1: if it leads to elections. Additionally, fifty seven percent of

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01:10:51,840 --> 01:10:55,400
Speaker 1: Israelis think that correctly. By the way, Mabe is the

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01:10:55,520 --> 01:10:57,760
Speaker 1: laying efforts to reach a hostage deal, with thirty eight

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01:10:57,760 --> 01:11:00,080
Speaker 1: percent of center right and right wing voters holding that

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01:11:00,200 --> 01:11:03,960
Speaker 1: same view. So even a sizable minority chunk of Bebe's

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Speaker 1: own voters believe he is blocking a hostage deal. And listen,

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Speaker 1: the hostages have been used by Bibe and by his

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01:11:14,400 --> 01:11:17,240
Speaker 1: allies throughout this conflict to say, you know, anytime there's

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01:11:17,280 --> 01:11:19,040
Speaker 1: a call for ceasefire or whatever, it's like, why don't

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01:11:19,080 --> 01:11:20,640
Speaker 1: you call on them to release the hostage. Well, by

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01:11:20,680 --> 01:11:22,719
Speaker 1: the way, I haven't, many other people have as well,

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01:11:22,960 --> 01:11:24,720
Speaker 1: but it's also very clear they don't give a shit

1440
01:11:24,720 --> 01:11:27,599
Speaker 1: about the hostages. Like they've killed more hostages than they've

1441
01:11:27,640 --> 01:11:30,360
Speaker 1: been able to rescue, so many of the hostages are

1442
01:11:30,600 --> 01:11:35,400
Speaker 1: probably dead now, which is unbelievably tragic because they've been

1443
01:11:35,400 --> 01:11:37,920
Speaker 1: in a war zone for seven months. They've been subject

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01:11:37,960 --> 01:11:41,639
Speaker 1: to the same starvation conditions. Now Israel's threatening to bomb

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01:11:41,640 --> 01:11:44,080
Speaker 1: the city where they claim their own hostages are likely

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01:11:44,120 --> 01:11:46,360
Speaker 1: held in Rafa, How do you think that is going

1447
01:11:46,439 --> 01:11:49,320
Speaker 1: to be for the safety and security of hostages. So

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01:11:49,439 --> 01:11:53,240
Speaker 1: these really public which actually does care about the hostages,

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01:11:53,520 --> 01:11:57,760
Speaker 1: is seeing very clearly through this attempt to claim that

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01:11:57,840 --> 01:12:02,480
Speaker 1: the hostages are their number one priority when obviously obviously

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01:12:02,920 --> 01:12:05,320
Speaker 1: they're not. The only time when there was a significant

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01:12:05,320 --> 01:12:07,800
Speaker 1: release of hostages was when there was a ceasefire deal.

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01:12:07,840 --> 01:12:10,360
Speaker 1: And yet we see Bebe delaying and dragging Speen and

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01:12:10,360 --> 01:12:13,759
Speaker 1: doing everything he can to avoid such a ceasefire deal

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01:12:13,800 --> 01:12:17,160
Speaker 1: because he is worried about his own political position of power.

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01:12:17,160 --> 01:12:19,320
Speaker 2: And that's very clear, right, and let's go put the

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Speaker 2: next one and please up there on the screen.

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Speaker 3: That's also very important.

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Speaker 1: This is incredible.

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Speaker 2: What the Israelis are basically saying is that if there

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Speaker 2: is an ICC warrant that is issued against them, they

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01:12:30,479 --> 01:12:35,560
Speaker 2: will then punish the Palestinian authority and basically make it inoperable,

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01:12:35,640 --> 01:12:38,559
Speaker 2: which would lead to basically a collapse of the West

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Speaker 2: Bank and any semblance of Palestinian governing authority which is

1465
01:12:43,040 --> 01:12:45,280
Speaker 2: already there and has remained shaky. And there's all this

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01:12:45,439 --> 01:12:48,000
Speaker 2: violence that continues there. So just to show you that

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01:12:48,120 --> 01:12:50,680
Speaker 2: they are willing to very much to flex their muscles,

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01:12:51,120 --> 01:12:54,200
Speaker 2: you know, on their behalf. And there's a last thing

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01:12:54,240 --> 01:12:56,479
Speaker 2: here that I wanted to get in because this is

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01:12:57,000 --> 01:13:02,360
Speaker 2: further evidence of the biden A ministry complete subservience to

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Speaker 2: the State of Israel, where they have now confirmed and

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Speaker 2: are now discussing plans to bring refugees from Gaza to

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Speaker 2: the United States.

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Speaker 3: Here's the White House talking about it as.

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Speaker 14: The administration considers bringing Palestinians here to the US as refugees.

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Speaker 14: Do you know how many people that the US hopes

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Speaker 14: to reocate? And secondly, given the challenges getting in and

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Speaker 14: out of Gaza, will the US assist in physically bringing Palestinians.

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Speaker 13: Here besides of course getting the hostages home, but also

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Speaker 13: creating an opportunity to get that more additional humanitarian aid

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01:13:41,520 --> 01:13:44,400
Speaker 13: in and would lead to a ceasefire. Now, in terms

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01:13:44,439 --> 01:13:46,840
Speaker 13: of the refugee admissions program, which is what I believe

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01:13:46,880 --> 01:13:50,960
Speaker 13: you're asking me about, we are constantly evaluating policy proposals

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01:13:50,960 --> 01:13:54,839
Speaker 13: to further support Palestinians who are family members of American

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01:13:54,880 --> 01:13:58,000
Speaker 13: citizens and may want to come to the United States.

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01:13:58,040 --> 01:14:00,880
Speaker 13: So we're evaluating it. I don't have anything to announces.

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Speaker 3: Here's why this is wrong, Cristel.

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Speaker 2: They just like the PEER, are assisting the Israelis in

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01:14:06,680 --> 01:14:09,519
Speaker 2: their project. What did the Israelis say whenever we built

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01:14:09,520 --> 01:14:12,160
Speaker 2: the Keer If any Peer, if anyone wants to leave,

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01:14:12,280 --> 01:14:15,200
Speaker 2: they can leave too, So we are building the peer

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01:14:15,439 --> 01:14:16,760
Speaker 2: and then they're like, oh, by the way, if they

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01:14:16,760 --> 01:14:18,639
Speaker 2: want to leave and get the hell out of this land,

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01:14:19,000 --> 01:14:23,679
Speaker 2: we're gonna want be the ones assisting and basically displacement from.

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01:14:23,560 --> 01:14:28,160
Speaker 3: Their land to our land. The whole thing is utterly insane.

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01:14:28,600 --> 01:14:32,719
Speaker 2: It only opens the door further to the Israelis being like, yeah.

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01:14:32,680 --> 01:14:34,760
Speaker 3: Please take them. They've already said it.

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01:14:35,120 --> 01:14:37,479
Speaker 2: Members of the Kanesset wrote in The Wall Street Journal

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01:14:37,479 --> 01:14:41,160
Speaker 2: November twenty twenty three, West should take all of the

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01:14:41,200 --> 01:14:43,840
Speaker 2: people from Gaza. Whenever they say what are you going

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01:14:43,880 --> 01:14:45,360
Speaker 2: to do the day after, they're like, we don't worry

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01:14:45,360 --> 01:14:48,679
Speaker 2: about that. That's America's problem. Us peacekeepers are the ones

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01:14:48,920 --> 01:14:52,080
Speaker 2: that should govern, So I think, listen to what they

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01:14:52,080 --> 01:14:55,080
Speaker 2: are trying to and we're assisting them. That's the most

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01:14:55,080 --> 01:14:58,720
Speaker 2: outrageous part of this. This is under active consideration. Who

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01:14:58,760 --> 01:15:00,439
Speaker 2: knows how many thousands of these peop people going to

1507
01:15:00,479 --> 01:15:02,120
Speaker 2: come here? If they do, we know you and I

1508
01:15:02,160 --> 01:15:03,920
Speaker 2: know they're never going to leave. And this is one

1509
01:15:03,960 --> 01:15:07,040
Speaker 2: of those where it is a clear it is a

1510
01:15:07,120 --> 01:15:10,080
Speaker 2: benefit to the Israelis. It is a direct you know,

1511
01:15:10,200 --> 01:15:13,120
Speaker 2: playing into their hands of what they want to happen

1512
01:15:13,520 --> 01:15:15,200
Speaker 2: in this case, and that's what just drives me so

1513
01:15:15,400 --> 01:15:16,680
Speaker 2: nuts about this entire thing.

1514
01:15:16,800 --> 01:15:19,880
Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean, this is where this Biden plan is

1515
01:15:19,960 --> 01:15:23,240
Speaker 1: guaranteed to piss off everyone across the political spectrum because

1516
01:15:23,320 --> 01:15:25,480
Speaker 1: on the you know, the right wing doesn't want refugees,

1517
01:15:26,280 --> 01:15:29,120
Speaker 1: doesn't want more brown refugees coming to the country.

1518
01:15:29,040 --> 01:15:31,200
Speaker 3: Just brown any refugees. Well, so I'll say that at

1519
01:15:31,320 --> 01:15:31,720
Speaker 3: least some.

1520
01:15:31,920 --> 01:15:35,559
Speaker 1: Yeah, some, it's very specifically brown refugees. The Ukrainian ones

1521
01:15:35,560 --> 01:15:38,599
Speaker 1: would be fine, but anyway, we'll go aside that debate

1522
01:15:38,640 --> 01:15:41,679
Speaker 1: for another day. The right doesn't want more refugees, and

1523
01:15:42,080 --> 01:15:44,000
Speaker 1: the left is like, oh, so you just are going

1524
01:15:44,080 --> 01:15:45,679
Speaker 1: to help Israel with their ethnic cleansing.

1525
01:15:45,520 --> 01:15:46,960
Speaker 3: Ya yo, Yeah, that's what's happened.

1526
01:15:46,960 --> 01:15:48,840
Speaker 1: Cool, Yeah, because I mean this is the same thing

1527
01:15:48,880 --> 01:15:51,240
Speaker 1: with you know, with regard to Egypt, there's always this

1528
01:15:51,280 --> 01:15:53,240
Speaker 1: put well, why doesn't Egypt just take people in? And

1529
01:15:53,240 --> 01:15:55,360
Speaker 1: it's like, well, okay, so first of all, they have, yeah,

1530
01:15:55,400 --> 01:15:57,760
Speaker 1: their own domestic concerns and their own economic at all

1531
01:15:57,760 --> 01:16:00,880
Speaker 1: that stuff, right, but also they don't want to help

1532
01:16:00,920 --> 01:16:03,960
Speaker 1: Israel with their ethnic cleansing plan. Listen, I'm happy to

1533
01:16:03,960 --> 01:16:06,720
Speaker 1: have Palestinians here, but that's not what Palestinians want. They

1534
01:16:06,800 --> 01:16:10,320
Speaker 1: want their own home. They want to live in their

1535
01:16:10,400 --> 01:16:14,640
Speaker 1: home and be free. That's what they want, Okay. So

1536
01:16:15,400 --> 01:16:20,000
Speaker 1: this floating of we're gonna actually our humanitarian plan is

1537
01:16:20,040 --> 01:16:24,080
Speaker 1: to do that ethnic cleansing is just it's just astonishing

1538
01:16:24,240 --> 01:16:26,920
Speaker 1: that they would think that this is okay, that they

1539
01:16:27,000 --> 01:16:29,160
Speaker 1: think that this is something that the American people would

1540
01:16:29,200 --> 01:16:33,800
Speaker 1: be like favorable towards. Its incredible tone deafness. And then

1541
01:16:34,080 --> 01:16:37,599
Speaker 1: I just have to reflect also on that ICC news briefly,

1542
01:16:37,640 --> 01:16:42,280
Speaker 1: which is also insane. If you if arresta warrants are issued,

1543
01:16:42,479 --> 01:16:46,120
Speaker 1: you're going to punish the Palestinian authority, which listen, I

1544
01:16:46,160 --> 01:16:48,640
Speaker 1: have no love for the Palestinian authority, and Palestinians have

1545
01:16:48,680 --> 01:16:51,000
Speaker 1: no love for the Palestinian authority because they're basically just

1546
01:16:51,120 --> 01:16:55,680
Speaker 1: like collaborators with the occupation regime. And you know, you

1547
01:16:55,720 --> 01:16:57,559
Speaker 1: can talk to Palestinis in West Bank about how they

1548
01:16:57,600 --> 01:17:01,400
Speaker 1: feel about that. But how are these things connected. The

1549
01:17:01,439 --> 01:17:03,800
Speaker 1: claim is that the PA is like using all of

1550
01:17:03,840 --> 01:17:06,920
Speaker 1: their incredible might to pressure the ICC to issue these

1551
01:17:07,000 --> 01:17:09,679
Speaker 1: arrest warrants and the other thing that you know, I mean,

1552
01:17:10,000 --> 01:17:11,960
Speaker 1: it does sort of serve a Pea's interest because the

1553
01:17:12,280 --> 01:17:16,240
Speaker 1: thought is that it would likely be both Israeli figures

1554
01:17:16,880 --> 01:17:21,599
Speaker 1: and Hamas leaders, which I support in both directions by

1555
01:17:21,640 --> 01:17:24,439
Speaker 1: the way, But you know, I've come to realize that

1556
01:17:24,920 --> 01:17:28,360
Speaker 1: it's not just the threat against like bb and Yoov

1557
01:17:28,439 --> 01:17:31,280
Speaker 1: Galant and whoever the other dude is that they floated

1558
01:17:31,320 --> 01:17:33,599
Speaker 1: that may be facing these arrest warrants that will constrain

1559
01:17:33,680 --> 01:17:36,599
Speaker 1: their international travel. I'm sure they don't like that idea,

1560
01:17:37,080 --> 01:17:39,720
Speaker 1: but it also raises the prospect of if you are

1561
01:17:39,760 --> 01:17:44,480
Speaker 1: an IDF soldier, anytime you travel abroad, which many Israelis hold,

1562
01:17:44,880 --> 01:17:48,479
Speaker 1: you know, dual citizenship, or travel you know frequently around

1563
01:17:48,479 --> 01:17:52,080
Speaker 1: the world, they may be getting asked when they're entering

1564
01:17:52,280 --> 01:17:54,519
Speaker 1: a country that signs onto the ICC, hey did you

1565
01:17:54,520 --> 01:17:58,320
Speaker 1: fight in Gaza. So it is hugely impactful and I

1566
01:17:58,320 --> 01:18:01,720
Speaker 1: think very psychologically impactful for Israelis if these arrests, these

1567
01:18:01,760 --> 01:18:04,080
Speaker 1: arrest warrants actually go through. Now I want to say,

1568
01:18:05,120 --> 01:18:08,639
Speaker 1: apparently there was some previous Net and Yahoo freaking out

1569
01:18:08,640 --> 01:18:10,920
Speaker 1: about potential arrest warrants I'm talking about years ago that

1570
01:18:10,960 --> 01:18:13,280
Speaker 1: never never came to fruition. There are some analysts who

1571
01:18:13,280 --> 01:18:15,400
Speaker 1: are saying Hey, these aren't as like imminent as it's

1572
01:18:15,400 --> 01:18:19,760
Speaker 1: being portrayed. I have no idea, but it is pretty

1573
01:18:20,040 --> 01:18:22,920
Speaker 1: it's a pretty stunning development, and it's also pretty wild.

1574
01:18:22,920 --> 01:18:25,880
Speaker 1: The way that is, it's not wild, it's it's sensical

1575
01:18:26,280 --> 01:18:29,679
Speaker 1: that the Israelis use everything they have in their toolkit

1576
01:18:30,000 --> 01:18:32,559
Speaker 1: and throw their weight around in every way possible and

1577
01:18:32,640 --> 01:18:36,960
Speaker 1: use whatever leverage they possibly can to get their way

1578
01:18:37,280 --> 01:18:40,280
Speaker 1: in a way that the US never ever ever does.

1579
01:18:40,360 --> 01:18:42,120
Speaker 1: And the reason that the PA is important in the

1580
01:18:42,160 --> 01:18:44,280
Speaker 1: US is because this is our fig leaf of like

1581
01:18:44,360 --> 01:18:46,360
Speaker 1: a plant a day after a plan is you know,

1582
01:18:46,400 --> 01:18:48,920
Speaker 1: supposedly the PA is going to ride in and be

1583
01:18:49,000 --> 01:18:52,040
Speaker 1: the leaders in Gaza, which also is you know, a

1584
01:18:52,240 --> 01:18:54,720
Speaker 1: sort of preposterous notion that they would have legitimacy in

1585
01:18:54,760 --> 01:18:55,439
Speaker 1: that context.

1586
01:18:55,560 --> 01:19:00,400
Speaker 2: No, you're absolutely right. Okay, let's move on to RFK

1587
01:19:00,560 --> 01:19:03,040
Speaker 2: Junior and some of the domestic news. There's been some

1588
01:19:03,200 --> 01:19:06,840
Speaker 2: major developments with Donald Trump and very clearly seeing RFK

1589
01:19:06,960 --> 01:19:08,960
Speaker 2: Junior as a major threat. Let's go and put this

1590
01:19:09,040 --> 01:19:12,000
Speaker 2: up there on the screen. This was leaked to Politico.

1591
01:19:12,400 --> 01:19:15,320
Speaker 2: They say that RFK junior quote is all over conservative

1592
01:19:15,360 --> 01:19:19,519
Speaker 2: media and Trump's camp is very concerned, increasingly his frequent

1593
01:19:19,560 --> 01:19:23,880
Speaker 2: appearances are raising alarms at mar Lago quote a sign

1594
01:19:23,960 --> 01:19:26,840
Speaker 2: on the rising threat that Kennedy poses to Trump. Kennedy

1595
01:19:26,880 --> 01:19:29,480
Speaker 2: has become popular, they say on Fox News and Newsmax.

1596
01:19:29,600 --> 01:19:32,880
Speaker 2: They're getting very upset watching him be interviewed by Ben Shapiro,

1597
01:19:33,000 --> 01:19:36,840
Speaker 2: Glenn Beck, and Megan Kelly, and they especially don't want

1598
01:19:36,960 --> 01:19:40,200
Speaker 2: him on quote Trump's turf. This is directly from the

1599
01:19:40,200 --> 01:19:44,080
Speaker 2: campaign manager. It is concerning and beyond logic. The conservative

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01:19:44,080 --> 01:19:46,600
Speaker 2: platforms continue to give you a voice to someone that

1601
01:19:46,680 --> 01:19:49,800
Speaker 2: is called the NRA, a terrorist group who believes eliminating

1602
01:19:49,800 --> 01:19:52,839
Speaker 2: gas powered engine, believes in a seventy percent tax bracket,

1603
01:19:52,840 --> 01:19:55,880
Speaker 2: and generally subscribes to the same thought as a school

1604
01:19:55,920 --> 01:20:04,720
Speaker 2: of thought as Carl Marx. So another big sign of

1605
01:20:04,760 --> 01:20:07,360
Speaker 2: how afraid they are of RFK Junior was actually this,

1606
01:20:07,360 --> 01:20:08,240
Speaker 2: This really blew my mind.

1607
01:20:08,320 --> 01:20:09,759
Speaker 3: Let's go and put this up there on the screen.

1608
01:20:10,040 --> 01:20:14,400
Speaker 2: Donald Trump will be speaking at the Libertarian National Convention

1609
01:20:14,920 --> 01:20:17,439
Speaker 2: later this month. Thank you, by the way to Dave

1610
01:20:17,479 --> 01:20:19,720
Speaker 2: Smith who flagged this for me. He put out a

1611
01:20:19,720 --> 01:20:22,040
Speaker 2: statement saying that Libertarians are some of the most independent,

1612
01:20:22,120 --> 01:20:23,320
Speaker 2: thoughtful thinkers in our country.

1613
01:20:23,360 --> 01:20:26,599
Speaker 3: I'm honored to join them. In Washington, DC later this month.

1614
01:20:26,840 --> 01:20:29,360
Speaker 2: We must all work together to advance freedom and liberty

1615
01:20:29,400 --> 01:20:30,400
Speaker 2: for every American.

1616
01:20:30,680 --> 01:20:32,400
Speaker 3: We will work together and win.

1617
01:20:32,560 --> 01:20:35,000
Speaker 2: This was the biggest sign to me of how dangerous

1618
01:20:35,040 --> 01:20:39,080
Speaker 2: they view the RFK Junior threat, because RFK Junior specifically

1619
01:20:39,160 --> 01:20:43,640
Speaker 2: has got a lot of resonance amongst more libertarian minded Americans,

1620
01:20:43,720 --> 01:20:48,080
Speaker 2: specifically on the issue of vaccines. Now, Libertarian Party previously

1621
01:20:48,120 --> 01:20:50,639
Speaker 2: only drew a couple of percent or so away from

1622
01:20:50,680 --> 01:20:53,599
Speaker 2: Republicans in twenty sixteen and in twenty twenty, but when

1623
01:20:53,680 --> 01:20:56,439
Speaker 2: Junior projected to get some thirteen percent of the vote,

1624
01:20:56,520 --> 01:20:59,080
Speaker 2: it's a fight to the death for every single margin.

1625
01:20:59,439 --> 01:21:01,479
Speaker 3: And this is it's very clearly an attempt.

1626
01:21:01,760 --> 01:21:04,240
Speaker 2: Another thing that really I saw flagged is that the

1627
01:21:04,360 --> 01:21:07,640
Speaker 2: MAGA Warring account, which is like the account by the

1628
01:21:07,680 --> 01:21:11,160
Speaker 2: Trump campaign to surface clips damaging to opponents, and started

1629
01:21:11,160 --> 01:21:14,559
Speaker 2: tweeting all kinds of stuff against RFK Junior. Here's one

1630
01:21:14,560 --> 01:21:16,760
Speaker 2: of their latest ones, a clip of RFK Junior from

1631
01:21:16,880 --> 01:21:20,200
Speaker 2: I Think It's back in the nineteen nineties going after Republicans.

1632
01:21:20,320 --> 01:21:21,560
Speaker 3: Here's what they tweeted.

1633
01:21:21,200 --> 01:21:24,720
Speaker 15: Out, red state people are more likely to murder you

1634
01:21:25,240 --> 01:21:29,599
Speaker 15: to impregnate your teenage daughter to commit a violent crime

1635
01:21:29,640 --> 01:21:32,720
Speaker 15: against you, to commit a nonviolent crime against you, to

1636
01:21:32,800 --> 01:21:38,120
Speaker 15: watch Desperate Housewives on TV, to buy pornography, to buy,

1637
01:21:38,240 --> 01:21:41,320
Speaker 15: you know, degenerate video games like Grand Theft Atto.

1638
01:21:41,479 --> 01:21:44,479
Speaker 3: He's not wrong on Grand Theft Auto. On the rest

1639
01:21:44,520 --> 01:21:46,880
Speaker 3: of it, it's a little complicated.

1640
01:21:46,320 --> 01:21:48,840
Speaker 2: But Chris, I mean, all of this just shows us

1641
01:21:48,920 --> 01:21:51,840
Speaker 2: that they are freaking out right now, absolutely losing it

1642
01:21:51,840 --> 01:21:53,960
Speaker 2: because they can read a poll just like we can,

1643
01:21:54,040 --> 01:21:55,759
Speaker 2: where everybody thought it was gonna be bad for Biden,

1644
01:21:55,800 --> 01:21:57,920
Speaker 2: but a lot of the evidence now shows it's bad

1645
01:21:57,960 --> 01:21:59,720
Speaker 2: for Trump. You know what's interesting too, Junior just put

1646
01:21:59,720 --> 01:22:02,559
Speaker 2: out a new video where he really is putting himself

1647
01:22:02,640 --> 01:22:05,200
Speaker 2: up against Trump. He put out a challenge and he's like,

1648
01:22:05,240 --> 01:22:08,040
Speaker 2: President Biden can't win. I'm challenging him to drop out,

1649
01:22:08,120 --> 01:22:10,360
Speaker 2: and then I will be the one who goes up

1650
01:22:10,400 --> 01:22:12,760
Speaker 2: against Trump. And you're like, wow, you're really you know,

1651
01:22:12,800 --> 01:22:15,840
Speaker 2: you're bringing it to Donald Trump here on every level

1652
01:22:15,920 --> 01:22:18,880
Speaker 2: on social media, the campaign is really, you know, going

1653
01:22:18,920 --> 01:22:19,320
Speaker 2: after you.

1654
01:22:19,520 --> 01:22:21,280
Speaker 3: So it's very interesting what's happened.

1655
01:22:21,360 --> 01:22:23,639
Speaker 1: I'm just I'm very amused by it because it's such

1656
01:22:23,680 --> 01:22:25,760
Speaker 1: a monster of their own making. You know, one of

1657
01:22:25,800 --> 01:22:29,000
Speaker 1: the one of the things that they're specifically freaked out

1658
01:22:29,040 --> 01:22:31,920
Speaker 1: about is how much he is a fixture of the

1659
01:22:32,080 --> 01:22:35,639
Speaker 1: like right wing conservative podcast. He's gone on with Ben Shapierr,

1660
01:22:35,800 --> 01:22:38,519
Speaker 1: is going with Megan Kelly, he's on Newsmax, he's on

1661
01:22:38,600 --> 01:22:42,840
Speaker 1: Fox News. And the way this happened is very clear.

1662
01:22:42,960 --> 01:22:44,920
Speaker 1: Like when he was in the Democratic primary, they love

1663
01:22:45,000 --> 01:22:46,960
Speaker 1: this guy. They loved him, they built him up, he

1664
01:22:47,040 --> 01:22:48,800
Speaker 1: was great. They had him on because he was a

1665
01:22:48,880 --> 01:22:53,880
Speaker 1: nice cudgel against the Democrats, and now because he is

1666
01:22:54,200 --> 01:22:57,760
Speaker 1: ideologically like the things he's leaned into now are very

1667
01:22:57,880 --> 01:23:01,880
Speaker 1: coated right wing. And they built up his favorability among

1668
01:23:01,960 --> 01:23:06,360
Speaker 1: Republicans by embracing him during that time period, and you know,

1669
01:23:06,479 --> 01:23:09,920
Speaker 1: really sort of made him code with the Republicans as

1670
01:23:09,960 --> 01:23:12,240
Speaker 1: opposed to the Democrats. You can see his approval rating

1671
01:23:12,240 --> 01:23:14,599
Speaker 1: with Democrats is in the toilet, and his approval rating

1672
01:23:14,640 --> 01:23:17,320
Speaker 1: with Republicans is sky high. So they got to do

1673
01:23:17,400 --> 01:23:20,920
Speaker 1: something to bring that down. The other thing that's interesting is,

1674
01:23:21,280 --> 01:23:25,760
Speaker 1: you know, his specifically his like anti vax stances are

1675
01:23:26,640 --> 01:23:28,920
Speaker 1: the thing that at this point that previously would have

1676
01:23:28,960 --> 01:23:32,000
Speaker 1: coded as liberal right, but now it codes very much

1677
01:23:32,080 --> 01:23:37,280
Speaker 1: as Republican. And the more people learn about his views

1678
01:23:37,320 --> 01:23:40,880
Speaker 1: on vaccines. The more Republicans are open to him, and

1679
01:23:40,920 --> 01:23:44,120
Speaker 1: the more Democrats are, you know, pushed away from him.

1680
01:23:44,160 --> 01:23:46,960
Speaker 1: We've had some pulling that the Washington Post highlighted that

1681
01:23:47,000 --> 01:23:50,880
Speaker 1: was interesting to that effect where effectively So the headline

1682
01:23:50,920 --> 01:23:54,719
Speaker 1: hear polls show how RFK juniors appeal to anti vaccine

1683
01:23:54,760 --> 01:23:58,559
Speaker 1: right could hurt Trump. And they asked people whether they

1684
01:23:58,560 --> 01:24:02,080
Speaker 1: were aware that Kennedy claims that autism is linked to

1685
01:24:02,120 --> 01:24:04,360
Speaker 1: vaccines and that he's floated a theory that COVID was

1686
01:24:04,360 --> 01:24:07,600
Speaker 1: targeted at certain races. About half of Republicans said they

1687
01:24:07,640 --> 01:24:10,320
Speaker 1: were aware about six and ten Democrats said they were aware.

1688
01:24:10,760 --> 01:24:12,920
Speaker 1: After they made people aware of that, then they asked

1689
01:24:12,920 --> 01:24:16,320
Speaker 1: them again, with this knowledge, would they consider voting for him. Suddenly,

1690
01:24:16,360 --> 01:24:19,120
Speaker 1: the percentage of Republicans who said they would consider Kennedy

1691
01:24:19,240 --> 01:24:22,400
Speaker 1: rose by eight percentage points. The percentage of Democrats who

1692
01:24:22,400 --> 01:24:25,880
Speaker 1: said they would consider Kennedy dropped by seven points. So

1693
01:24:26,439 --> 01:24:28,960
Speaker 1: that's the other challenge I think that Trump is perhaps

1694
01:24:29,000 --> 01:24:33,439
Speaker 1: realizing is that the more people actually focus on Kennedy,

1695
01:24:33,520 --> 01:24:36,559
Speaker 1: focus on the race, learn about his views, the more

1696
01:24:36,600 --> 01:24:41,959
Speaker 1: appealing he is to potential Trump voters versus potential Biden voters.

1697
01:24:42,000 --> 01:24:44,439
Speaker 1: And you know, the other thing, Sager, is that on

1698
01:24:44,479 --> 01:24:47,080
Speaker 1: the vaccine specifically, this is an area where Trump is

1699
01:24:47,280 --> 01:24:49,640
Speaker 1: a little shaky. He's a little shaky because he's the

1700
01:24:49,640 --> 01:24:52,759
Speaker 1: guy who you know, Operation Warp speed and made it happen,

1701
01:24:52,880 --> 01:24:55,320
Speaker 1: and you know, he was in charge during COVID and

1702
01:24:55,680 --> 01:24:58,680
Speaker 1: this was something that DeSantis tried to capitalize in his

1703
01:24:59,120 --> 01:25:02,559
Speaker 1: primary run against Trump, and there wasn't enough constituency for

1704
01:25:02,600 --> 01:25:05,280
Speaker 1: it during a primary run. But you're not talking about

1705
01:25:05,400 --> 01:25:08,439
Speaker 1: RFK having to out and out win. You're talking about

1706
01:25:08,520 --> 01:25:11,280
Speaker 1: are there a few percentage points of people who this

1707
01:25:11,360 --> 01:25:13,200
Speaker 1: is their number one issue and they feel like Trump

1708
01:25:13,240 --> 01:25:15,040
Speaker 1: kind of failed them there and RFK saying all the

1709
01:25:15,080 --> 01:25:17,400
Speaker 1: right things on this issue. I think that's entirely a plausive.

1710
01:25:17,400 --> 01:25:19,679
Speaker 2: Absolutely, It's all a game of margins. That's where we're discussing.

1711
01:25:19,720 --> 01:25:22,240
Speaker 2: That's why Trump is going to the Libertarian Convention. RFK

1712
01:25:22,400 --> 01:25:25,240
Speaker 2: Junior is the biggest threat both to Biden and to

1713
01:25:25,240 --> 01:25:27,639
Speaker 2: Trump on the ballot that we've seen since Ross Puro

1714
01:25:28,080 --> 01:25:31,400
Speaker 2: and since nineteen sixty eight. So how all these individuals

1715
01:25:31,400 --> 01:25:34,320
Speaker 2: handle this is going to be really really interesting. Let's

1716
01:25:34,360 --> 01:25:36,360
Speaker 2: move on to the housing section. We would drop this

1717
01:25:36,360 --> 01:25:39,000
Speaker 2: from our Tuesday show because we had to interview Jill Stein,

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01:25:39,040 --> 01:25:41,120
Speaker 2: but we didn't want to skip out on it because

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01:25:41,120 --> 01:25:42,920
Speaker 2: there's actually some good news we want to make sure

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01:25:42,920 --> 01:25:44,880
Speaker 2: we included in our show. Let's put it up there

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01:25:44,920 --> 01:25:48,439
Speaker 2: on the screen. Wall Street quote has spent billions buying homes.

1722
01:25:48,600 --> 01:25:51,639
Speaker 2: Now a crackdown is looming, so this is really good.

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01:25:52,240 --> 01:25:54,320
Speaker 2: It says that Democrats in the House and in the

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01:25:54,360 --> 01:25:58,639
Speaker 2: Senate have now sponsored legislation that would specifically force large

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01:25:58,680 --> 01:26:02,280
Speaker 2: owners of single family homes to have to sell houses

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01:26:02,320 --> 01:26:05,840
Speaker 2: to family buyers. There's now a Republican bill also in

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01:26:05,880 --> 01:26:09,959
Speaker 2: Ohio to drive out institutional owners through very heavy taxation.

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01:26:10,280 --> 01:26:14,960
Speaker 2: Similar laws being considered in Nebraska, California, New York, Minnesota,

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01:26:15,120 --> 01:26:18,880
Speaker 2: North Carolina. Homeowners associations right now are also trying to

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01:26:18,880 --> 01:26:21,639
Speaker 2: crack down on investors from buying and renting out houses

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01:26:21,680 --> 01:26:24,719
Speaker 2: in their neighborhood. And all of the legislative proposals quote

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01:26:24,880 --> 01:26:28,280
Speaker 2: represent a new effort by elected officials to regulate Wall

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01:26:28,280 --> 01:26:32,080
Speaker 2: Street's appetite for single family housing. So, according to the

1734
01:26:32,120 --> 01:26:35,080
Speaker 2: Wall Street Journal, from the latest data that has come out,

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01:26:35,240 --> 01:26:38,960
Speaker 2: they have found that the highest level ever of single

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01:26:39,000 --> 01:26:42,920
Speaker 2: family homes were purchased by investors by portfolio size in

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01:26:43,000 --> 01:26:46,640
Speaker 2: twenty twenty two, twenty twenty three, and twenty twenty four, respectively,

1738
01:26:46,880 --> 01:26:50,360
Speaker 2: and in each case you're actually seeing a huge increase

1739
01:26:50,680 --> 01:26:53,040
Speaker 2: in the number of people who actually have over one

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01:26:53,120 --> 01:26:56,599
Speaker 2: thousand homes inside of their company. From twenty twenty two

1741
01:26:56,720 --> 01:26:59,680
Speaker 2: on we've seen a massive expansion of that crystal and

1742
01:26:59,720 --> 01:27:03,000
Speaker 2: even people who own between one hundred and ninety nine houses.

1743
01:27:03,040 --> 01:27:05,679
Speaker 2: So what's happening right now is that you'll have smaller

1744
01:27:05,680 --> 01:27:08,080
Speaker 2: investor groups that dabble in this stuff, then they get

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01:27:08,160 --> 01:27:11,440
Speaker 2: rolled up into a larger private equity group, people like Blackstone,

1746
01:27:11,439 --> 01:27:14,360
Speaker 2: Blackrock and others. And the overall effect of this is

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01:27:14,400 --> 01:27:17,040
Speaker 2: that we have a huge housing shortage right now in

1748
01:27:17,080 --> 01:27:19,760
Speaker 2: the country. This is driving up the house It also

1749
01:27:19,840 --> 01:27:21,639
Speaker 2: means that these people have tons of cash that they're

1750
01:27:21,640 --> 01:27:24,120
Speaker 2: disposally and come in with an all cash offer. But

1751
01:27:24,200 --> 01:27:26,000
Speaker 2: the danger is that when you gobble up all of

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01:27:26,000 --> 01:27:28,120
Speaker 2: the houses there in that market, you can stabilize the

1753
01:27:28,120 --> 01:27:31,000
Speaker 2: rent and increase it to wherever you want drop services.

1754
01:27:31,120 --> 01:27:33,519
Speaker 2: And then more importantly, you know, a single family landlord

1755
01:27:33,760 --> 01:27:36,799
Speaker 2: is somebody who at least usually lives in the same area.

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01:27:37,120 --> 01:27:38,880
Speaker 2: Maybe you know, they can come over something if the

1757
01:27:39,240 --> 01:27:41,960
Speaker 2: if the dryer is broken, you know, something like that.

1758
01:27:42,040 --> 01:27:43,880
Speaker 2: But when you're dealing with the corporation, you know, good

1759
01:27:43,960 --> 01:27:46,320
Speaker 2: luck getting your services better, right, you know, and they're

1760
01:27:46,320 --> 01:27:47,800
Speaker 2: going to charge you double for something.

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01:27:48,080 --> 01:27:50,120
Speaker 1: Yeah, and we've covered here the way that more and

1762
01:27:50,160 --> 01:27:54,400
Speaker 1: more of these companies are using algorithms to collude and

1763
01:27:55,320 --> 01:27:59,960
Speaker 1: you know, extract higher rent from individuals in these markets.

1764
01:28:00,040 --> 01:28:02,839
Speaker 1: So basically, this is a situation that's bad for renters.

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01:28:03,640 --> 01:28:07,080
Speaker 1: It's bad for would be homeowners who want to buy

1766
01:28:07,080 --> 01:28:09,400
Speaker 1: that first, that first home as they start a home,

1767
01:28:09,400 --> 01:28:11,479
Speaker 1: but starter homes aren't really a thing or given the

1768
01:28:11,560 --> 01:28:14,559
Speaker 1: average price tag is just insane, and and I think

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01:28:14,600 --> 01:28:16,840
Speaker 1: this is why this actually has a shot at getting through.

1770
01:28:17,280 --> 01:28:20,599
Speaker 1: It's also bad for existing homeowners who don't like that

1771
01:28:20,640 --> 01:28:24,120
Speaker 1: their neighborhoods are being bought off and turned into rentals

1772
01:28:24,160 --> 01:28:27,479
Speaker 1: because they feel like, you know, renters are less committed

1773
01:28:27,520 --> 01:28:29,240
Speaker 1: to the area. And whether this is true or not,

1774
01:28:29,280 --> 01:28:32,679
Speaker 1: but it is true that you're less like exactly that's

1775
01:28:32,760 --> 01:28:35,719
Speaker 1: I mean. But that's the thing is Nimby's are extraordinarily powerful,

1776
01:28:36,280 --> 01:28:39,880
Speaker 1: like actual homeowners are extraordinarily powerful, and so I only think.

1777
01:28:39,920 --> 01:28:44,280
Speaker 1: I think the reason why this has so much traction

1778
01:28:44,400 --> 01:28:46,519
Speaker 1: and actually has a shot at becoming something you have

1779
01:28:46,560 --> 01:28:49,439
Speaker 1: a little bit of bipartisan interest in support, is because

1780
01:28:49,479 --> 01:28:52,799
Speaker 1: you've pissed off homeowners. They don't they don't like this direction.

1781
01:28:53,080 --> 01:28:55,640
Speaker 1: So it's you know, they don't like it for like

1782
01:28:55,680 --> 01:28:58,240
Speaker 1: I said, you know, sort of questionable Nimmi reasons, but

1783
01:28:58,320 --> 01:28:59,800
Speaker 1: it is what it is. And then it's bad for

1784
01:29:00,120 --> 01:29:02,479
Speaker 1: would be home owners? Is it bad for renters? So

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01:29:02,800 --> 01:29:05,320
Speaker 1: you put that up against you. On the other side,

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01:29:05,360 --> 01:29:07,920
Speaker 1: you have very powerful interest in terms of these like

1787
01:29:08,320 --> 01:29:10,960
Speaker 1: Wall Street firms that are buying up all this real estate,

1788
01:29:11,000 --> 01:29:13,320
Speaker 1: and it becomes an actual battle where you do have

1789
01:29:13,360 --> 01:29:14,760
Speaker 1: some powerful interests on both sides.

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01:29:14,840 --> 01:29:15,000
Speaker 4: Yeah.

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01:29:15,080 --> 01:29:18,000
Speaker 2: Absolutely, And the reason why this matters is that right

1792
01:29:18,040 --> 01:29:21,360
Speaker 2: now housing affordability again is at near record low level.

1793
01:29:21,400 --> 01:29:22,880
Speaker 3: So let's go put this up there on the screen.

1794
01:29:23,200 --> 01:29:26,680
Speaker 2: I wanted everybody to see specifically at what's happening right

1795
01:29:26,680 --> 01:29:30,200
Speaker 2: now with mortgage rates, where we have seen a stabilization

1796
01:29:30,280 --> 01:29:34,160
Speaker 2: at seven percent, which is incredibly high historically, may have

1797
01:29:34,320 --> 01:29:36,360
Speaker 2: dropped a little bit over the last couple of months,

1798
01:29:36,400 --> 01:29:38,880
Speaker 2: but only by point one or two percent. So we're

1799
01:29:38,920 --> 01:29:40,599
Speaker 2: now in a situation where if you have an eight

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01:29:40,720 --> 01:29:43,400
Speaker 2: hundred credit score, the best credit score that exists, you're

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01:29:43,400 --> 01:29:45,479
Speaker 2: still more getting a mortgage rate of some seven point

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01:29:45,520 --> 01:29:49,360
Speaker 2: one percent. And if you are in the average credit score,

1803
01:29:49,439 --> 01:29:51,679
Speaker 2: let's say under eight six eighty or something like that,

1804
01:29:51,880 --> 01:29:54,760
Speaker 2: you're getting what seven point three at seven twenty or

1805
01:29:54,800 --> 01:29:57,280
Speaker 2: get seven point two. I mean, these are very very

1806
01:29:57,360 --> 01:29:59,760
Speaker 2: high interest rates. And just to normalize that, I mean,

1807
01:29:59,800 --> 01:30:02,360
Speaker 2: if put a twenty percent down payment and you do

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01:30:02,400 --> 01:30:06,400
Speaker 2: an average, you know, thirty year mortgage, the vast majority

1809
01:30:06,520 --> 01:30:08,760
Speaker 2: of your payments for the first several years are just

1810
01:30:08,800 --> 01:30:11,160
Speaker 2: gonna be interesting. You're basically just renting your house from

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01:30:11,200 --> 01:30:14,680
Speaker 2: the bank and building up like tiny little slivers of

1812
01:30:14,720 --> 01:30:16,760
Speaker 2: home equity, as opposed to if you have a two

1813
01:30:16,840 --> 01:30:19,479
Speaker 2: or a three percent mortgage rate like they had in

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01:30:19,520 --> 01:30:22,200
Speaker 2: the past. So this is the danger is that right now,

1815
01:30:22,960 --> 01:30:25,640
Speaker 2: not only are you gonna need that's twenty percent or

1816
01:30:25,640 --> 01:30:28,479
Speaker 2: whatever to avoid PMI if you're trying to put down

1817
01:30:29,200 --> 01:30:32,559
Speaker 2: something like that, but that your mortgage payment is gonna

1818
01:30:32,600 --> 01:30:36,800
Speaker 2: be so high even with a very very good credit score,

1819
01:30:36,800 --> 01:30:39,680
Speaker 2: that it reduces the overall top line number of what

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01:30:39,840 --> 01:30:43,519
Speaker 2: is even accessible to you, making those banks even more

1821
01:30:43,560 --> 01:30:46,240
Speaker 2: competitive whenever they are working in this and there is

1822
01:30:46,360 --> 01:30:48,680
Speaker 2: no sign of anybody coming to save you.

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01:30:48,760 --> 01:30:50,320
Speaker 3: Let's put this up there please on the screen.

1824
01:30:50,560 --> 01:30:53,519
Speaker 2: The Federal Reserve just announced yesterday that they will be

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01:30:53,560 --> 01:30:56,920
Speaker 2: holding interest rates steady. No sign that it will cut

1826
01:30:56,960 --> 01:30:59,839
Speaker 2: soon as the quote inflation fight stalls.

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01:31:00,120 --> 01:31:02,840
Speaker 3: That's questionable in terms of what all that means.

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01:31:02,840 --> 01:31:06,479
Speaker 2: But the bottom line is that the expected election day

1829
01:31:07,000 --> 01:31:11,599
Speaker 2: cuts that we're supposed to come between now and November, yeah,

1830
01:31:11,720 --> 01:31:15,479
Speaker 2: it's not happening. Jerome Powell from basically what Fed Walkers

1831
01:31:15,479 --> 01:31:18,200
Speaker 2: and all those have shown Crystal, they're not cutting until November,

1832
01:31:18,280 --> 01:31:21,160
Speaker 2: until after election day. So, by the way, whoever wins

1833
01:31:21,160 --> 01:31:23,719
Speaker 2: the election is going to be a lucky sob because

1834
01:31:23,800 --> 01:31:25,360
Speaker 2: the economy is going to do super well.

1835
01:31:25,360 --> 01:31:27,519
Speaker 1: After Biden was really hoping for these.

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01:31:27,600 --> 01:31:30,080
Speaker 3: Rate cuts, hoping and praying, yeah, that's what they needed.

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01:31:30,160 --> 01:31:32,360
Speaker 1: That's why it was really important these last couple of

1838
01:31:32,360 --> 01:31:36,000
Speaker 1: inflation numbers that came in hotter than expected and showed

1839
01:31:36,040 --> 01:31:39,880
Speaker 1: their you know, were still issues there. And instantly a

1840
01:31:39,880 --> 01:31:42,360
Speaker 1: lot of analysts had been thinking that the Fed may

1841
01:31:42,400 --> 01:31:44,600
Speaker 1: well cut rates at the next session, and instantly that

1842
01:31:44,720 --> 01:31:47,080
Speaker 1: was basically off the table. And even the prospect of

1843
01:31:47,080 --> 01:31:51,559
Speaker 1: them raising rates came into into you know, plausible reality.

1844
01:31:51,560 --> 01:31:53,240
Speaker 1: But what we see here is their holding rate study

1845
01:31:53,280 --> 01:31:56,519
Speaker 1: that means no relief for mortgage interest rates, you know,

1846
01:31:56,640 --> 01:31:58,960
Speaker 1: no sort of like fueling the economy and the way

1847
01:31:58,960 --> 01:32:01,120
Speaker 1: that Biden would hope going in to election day, and

1848
01:32:01,240 --> 01:32:03,960
Speaker 1: I do it. You know, it's obviously it's extremely important

1849
01:32:03,960 --> 01:32:08,800
Speaker 1: politically because as much as the abortion is incredibly critical

1850
01:32:08,920 --> 01:32:12,320
Speaker 1: and you know, very understandably emotional for a lot of

1851
01:32:12,360 --> 01:32:14,080
Speaker 1: people and very motivating for a lot of people, as

1852
01:32:14,120 --> 01:32:17,479
Speaker 1: much as the unconditional support for Israel is for young

1853
01:32:17,560 --> 01:32:20,600
Speaker 1: voters especially, you know, significant issue and probably going to

1854
01:32:20,640 --> 01:32:23,080
Speaker 1: drive a lot of voting behavior. Still overwhelming with the

1855
01:32:23,120 --> 01:32:25,800
Speaker 1: issue that you know, many people say is their number

1856
01:32:25,800 --> 01:32:28,679
Speaker 1: one is the economy. I mean, this is classic politics,

1857
01:32:28,680 --> 01:32:32,320
Speaker 1: one on one. So the assumption that had been made

1858
01:32:32,320 --> 01:32:34,320
Speaker 1: here for at least a little while so that the

1859
01:32:34,360 --> 01:32:37,880
Speaker 1: economy was going to continue to improve leading up to

1860
01:32:37,960 --> 01:32:41,680
Speaker 1: election day, and now that's a lot that picture is

1861
01:32:41,720 --> 01:32:45,040
Speaker 1: a lot fuzzier and a lot more challenging for Biden.

1862
01:32:45,160 --> 01:32:47,439
Speaker 1: So I'm sure he's not happy about this news. But

1863
01:32:48,040 --> 01:32:50,400
Speaker 1: you know, the mortgage indust rates being the mortgage rates

1864
01:32:50,400 --> 01:32:53,600
Speaker 1: being what they are is pretty pretty astonishing, and typically

1865
01:32:54,400 --> 01:32:57,920
Speaker 1: when you have this sort of situation, you'll see prices

1866
01:32:58,240 --> 01:33:01,479
Speaker 1: drop to reflect that in creased costs. But because you

1867
01:33:01,560 --> 01:33:04,400
Speaker 1: have such a limited supply and you know, partly driven

1868
01:33:04,400 --> 01:33:06,320
Speaker 1: by some of the Wall Street acquisitions, but also just

1869
01:33:06,400 --> 01:33:09,679
Speaker 1: overall picture, it's meant that you haven't gotten that break.

1870
01:33:09,720 --> 01:33:11,240
Speaker 1: So it really is sort of worst of all worlds

1871
01:33:11,280 --> 01:33:12,200
Speaker 1: in terms of housing market.

1872
01:33:12,200 --> 01:33:15,360
Speaker 3: For it's bad, it's also it's just dry. Borrowing costs

1873
01:33:15,439 --> 01:33:16,559
Speaker 3: are so high right now.

1874
01:33:16,680 --> 01:33:18,599
Speaker 2: You know, good luck to anybody who's trying to get

1875
01:33:18,600 --> 01:33:20,320
Speaker 2: a loan or anything like that, even a car loan.

1876
01:33:20,360 --> 01:33:21,920
Speaker 2: I mean, I think car loan's out there are like

1877
01:33:21,960 --> 01:33:25,320
Speaker 2: thirteen fourteen percent right now, which is wild. Yeah, some

1878
01:33:25,400 --> 01:33:27,439
Speaker 2: of the Texans who were paying you know, the average

1879
01:33:27,439 --> 01:33:29,960
Speaker 2: car payment in Texas is like twelve hundred dollars. Yeah,

1880
01:33:30,040 --> 01:33:33,160
Speaker 2: you guys need to stop buying such expensive trucks. Do

1881
01:33:33,200 --> 01:33:35,760
Speaker 2: you really need the big Dot dram or whatever it's

1882
01:33:36,200 --> 01:33:38,240
Speaker 2: is it the raptor? I see a life, oh thet

1883
01:33:38,760 --> 01:33:41,120
Speaker 2: I was just down in Texas and I was looking around.

1884
01:33:41,120 --> 01:33:42,799
Speaker 2: I'm like, why do you end up in my parents'

1885
01:33:42,800 --> 01:33:45,000
Speaker 2: suburban neighborhood. I'm like what do all you people need

1886
01:33:45,040 --> 01:33:47,200
Speaker 2: a truck for no offense? Like, I know that it's

1887
01:33:47,240 --> 01:33:49,600
Speaker 2: fun and probably is, you know, fun to drive, But

1888
01:33:50,000 --> 01:33:51,679
Speaker 2: what do we do when it's been in seventy grand

1889
01:33:51,880 --> 01:33:54,160
Speaker 2: truck when you're not all in anything. If you actually

1890
01:33:54,240 --> 01:33:56,400
Speaker 2: need it, that's a different story. But my point is

1891
01:33:56,439 --> 01:33:58,720
Speaker 2: just that it's making fun in life right now.

1892
01:33:58,800 --> 01:34:00,320
Speaker 3: It's it's a little bit too telling.

1893
01:34:00,360 --> 01:34:02,400
Speaker 1: Most people who actually need it aren't getting like the

1894
01:34:02,439 --> 01:34:03,639
Speaker 1: fancy luxury ones.

1895
01:34:03,720 --> 01:34:05,519
Speaker 2: I've always have the same you now, Yeah, every time

1896
01:34:05,560 --> 01:34:07,919
Speaker 2: I see actual ranchers, all them, they're driving like a Toyota,

1897
01:34:08,000 --> 01:34:10,000
Speaker 2: the Coma or something that is unbreakable.

1898
01:34:10,520 --> 01:34:13,559
Speaker 3: But one fifty one school, I think it looks cool.

1899
01:34:13,760 --> 01:34:16,439
Speaker 2: It certainly does, but I've only driven a truck a

1900
01:34:16,439 --> 01:34:16,960
Speaker 2: couple of times.

1901
01:34:16,960 --> 01:34:21,639
Speaker 3: I'm not sure it's for me. Let's move on to Congress.

1902
01:34:21,680 --> 01:34:24,519
Speaker 2: This is the most important segment I think in terms

1903
01:34:24,600 --> 01:34:27,479
Speaker 2: of what matters for Washington. As you can all see

1904
01:34:27,560 --> 01:34:31,439
Speaker 2: the uniparty, it rewards those who do their bidding, and

1905
01:34:31,479 --> 01:34:34,639
Speaker 2: so there has been a motion to vacate effort against

1906
01:34:34,680 --> 01:34:38,280
Speaker 2: Speaker Mike Johnson by Marjorie Taylor Green and by Thomas

1907
01:34:38,439 --> 01:34:42,400
Speaker 2: Massey in retaliation for passing the aid to Ukraine and

1908
01:34:42,479 --> 01:34:46,519
Speaker 2: to Israel. However, Marjorie is now actually being attacked by

1909
01:34:46,640 --> 01:34:49,880
Speaker 2: even pro Maga Republicans who are like, hey, hold on

1910
01:34:49,920 --> 01:34:52,760
Speaker 2: a second, and she's getting an assist by the Democrats.

1911
01:34:52,800 --> 01:34:55,320
Speaker 2: So here she is asked by CNN, why are you

1912
01:34:55,360 --> 01:34:58,519
Speaker 2: going against Donald Trump's wishes and doing a motion to

1913
01:34:58,600 --> 01:35:00,000
Speaker 2: vacate against Speaker Mike Johnson.

1914
01:35:00,000 --> 01:35:01,200
Speaker 3: And here's what she had to say.

1915
01:35:01,240 --> 01:35:04,639
Speaker 2: Former President Trump has said positive things about the speaker

1916
01:35:04,680 --> 01:35:06,880
Speaker 2: and has said he doesn't favor a motion to vacate.

1917
01:35:07,080 --> 01:35:09,719
Speaker 1: Aren't you defying the former president's wishes?

1918
01:35:10,040 --> 01:35:12,800
Speaker 16: Absolutely not. I'm the biggest supporter of President Trump, and

1919
01:35:12,800 --> 01:35:15,479
Speaker 16: that's why I probably wear this Maga hat. I fight

1920
01:35:15,520 --> 01:35:18,360
Speaker 16: for his agenda every single day, and that's why I'm

1921
01:35:18,400 --> 01:35:22,439
Speaker 16: fighting here against my own Republican conference to fight harder

1922
01:35:22,479 --> 01:35:24,000
Speaker 16: against the Democrats.

1923
01:35:24,040 --> 01:35:25,840
Speaker 1: Mike Johnson has fully funded.

1924
01:35:25,600 --> 01:35:28,040
Speaker 16: The Department of Justice that wants to put President Trump

1925
01:35:28,040 --> 01:35:28,479
Speaker 16: in jail.

1926
01:35:28,560 --> 01:35:30,280
Speaker 2: So, as you guys can see right there, I mean,

1927
01:35:30,280 --> 01:35:33,519
Speaker 2: Marjorie is fighting. But this really doesn't matter now because

1928
01:35:33,520 --> 01:35:36,760
Speaker 2: the Democrats have basically made it a moot point, and

1929
01:35:36,800 --> 01:35:39,920
Speaker 2: Mike Johnson is actually in the most powerful position that

1930
01:35:40,000 --> 01:35:42,840
Speaker 2: he's been in in a long time, ever since that

1931
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Speaker 2: Ukraine and Israeli had passed. Here he is in responding

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Speaker 2: to Marjorie Taylor Green in a recent interview, Let's take

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Speaker 2: a listen.

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Speaker 3: Talk about your future. Yeah, Marjorie Taylor Green, H.

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Speaker 4: No fan of yours.

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Speaker 10: H that's herd.

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Speaker 3: Is she a serious lawmaker? I don't think she's proving

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Speaker 3: to be.

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Speaker 1: No.

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Speaker 17: I don't spend a lot of time thinking about her.

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Speaker 17: I got to do my job, and we do the

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Speaker 17: right thing, and we let the follow they may. And

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Speaker 17: that's that's my philosophy. That's how we're governing. We're gonna

1944
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Speaker 17: we're going to keep the train on the tracks and

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Speaker 17: show the American people that not just what we're against,

1946
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Speaker 17: but what we're for. That there's a conservative agenda that

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Speaker 17: is necessary to get the country back on the right track.

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Speaker 17: And the way to what for us to do that

1949
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Speaker 17: is to keep and grow the House majority. Descending into

1950
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Speaker 17: chaos and closing the house down and vacating the chair

1951
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Speaker 17: again is exactly the opposite.

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Speaker 2: It's the opposite of what needs to happen, of course,

1953
01:36:33,080 --> 01:36:36,200
Speaker 2: because whenever you pay the piper, thenever you get rescued.

1954
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Speaker 2: Here is a friend of the show, Glenn Greenwald, flagged

1955
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Speaker 2: just how much of a double face you know, person

1956
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Speaker 2: Mike Johnson has turned out to be.

1957
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Speaker 3: Here's what he used to sound like.

1958
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Speaker 2: On the issue of PISA whenever he was interviewed by Glenn,

1959
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Speaker 2: and then recently he just passed the Pfizer reauthorization.

1960
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Speaker 3: Here's what he sounded like. That is what keeps us

1961
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Speaker 3: up at night, Glenn.

1962
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Speaker 17: We're worried about what has become of these agencies that

1963
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Speaker 17: have such broad and expensive powers.

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Speaker 3: Do you see what I mean.

1965
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Speaker 18: He's not just saying he's going to vote yes or no.

1966
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Speaker 18: He's saying this issue, this concern is so pressing to

1967
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Speaker 18: me that it keeps me up at night. The secrecy

1968
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Speaker 18: of the FBI, the ability of the US Security State

1969
01:37:16,680 --> 01:37:19,559
Speaker 18: to spy on American citizens with no limits, it keeps

1970
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Speaker 18: him up at night. He said, just in July of

1971
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Speaker 18: twenty twenty three.

1972
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Speaker 17: Bring legislative reforms to do our best to ensure that

1973
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Speaker 17: these abuses cannot happen again in the future.

1974
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Speaker 3: He said.

1975
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Speaker 18: The only thing we can do is bring legislative reform

1976
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Speaker 18: to ensure these abuses do not happen again. He becomes speaker,

1977
01:37:40,760 --> 01:37:45,879
Speaker 18: there's pending legislation to do exactly that, that has bipartisan support,

1978
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Speaker 18: to do exactly that, to reform the powers of the

1979
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Speaker 18: US Security States so they can no longer spy on

1980
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Speaker 18: us in a secret and abuse their spying powers and

1981
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Speaker 18: other powers for politicized domestic ends.

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Speaker 3: He said, that's the thing I'm to do. Sickening.

1983
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Speaker 2: It's sickening, Crystal, It's incredible out face. And here's the

1984
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Speaker 2: best part. You know, it's before you weigh in. Let's

1985
01:38:06,000 --> 01:38:08,000
Speaker 2: put this up there on the screen. Democrats are going

1986
01:38:08,040 --> 01:38:10,960
Speaker 2: to save him. They've decided and they've announced that they will.

1987
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Speaker 2: They will rescue Mike Johnson when he faces that ousterro vote.

1988
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Speaker 2: Why Marjorie Taylor Green sometime next week. They got to

1989
01:38:17,520 --> 01:38:21,000
Speaker 2: pay him off in in you know, in exchange for

1990
01:38:21,080 --> 01:38:23,040
Speaker 2: that Ukraine Aid passage that just happened.

1991
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Speaker 1: He wanted that Israel Aid to go through. I mean,

1992
01:38:26,479 --> 01:38:29,639
Speaker 1: that was his He made it really clear. He made

1993
01:38:29,640 --> 01:38:31,639
Speaker 1: it really clear as soon as he got in. First

1994
01:38:31,680 --> 01:38:33,960
Speaker 1: person called his baby at Niya who first thing he

1995
01:38:34,040 --> 01:38:37,479
Speaker 1: passed with some resolution about anti Semitism or whatever. It's

1996
01:38:37,520 --> 01:38:40,080
Speaker 1: not only the the Fies apiece, but he also you know,

1997
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Speaker 1: his house just passed this bill codifying as hate speech

1998
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Speaker 1: criticism of the government of Israel, and so once they

1999
01:38:46,520 --> 01:38:49,000
Speaker 1: had that into him and it was like very clear

2000
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Speaker 1: that the only way to get it through was to

2001
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Speaker 1: package that with Ukraine Aid and all these other things.

2002
01:38:52,720 --> 01:38:54,640
Speaker 1: Guess what, That's what he was going to do. So

2003
01:38:56,560 --> 01:38:58,519
Speaker 1: it is astonishing to me that the Democrats are going

2004
01:38:58,560 --> 01:39:01,040
Speaker 1: to save this guy. Like I I understand it from

2005
01:39:01,080 --> 01:39:03,760
Speaker 1: an ideological perspective, because the minute that he passed their

2006
01:39:03,840 --> 01:39:06,920
Speaker 1: Ukraine Aid they were like calling him Churchill literally Churchill.

2007
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Speaker 3: Yeah, They're like, this is his nineteen thirty eight music moment.

2008
01:39:10,000 --> 01:39:13,280
Speaker 2: I just can't selling weapons to Ukraine and bankrupting.

2009
01:39:12,720 --> 01:39:17,360
Speaker 1: America absolutely incredible, absolutely incredible. So you know, ideologically they're

2010
01:39:17,439 --> 01:39:20,360
Speaker 1: very aligned. They got is. They also probably see him

2011
01:39:20,360 --> 01:39:22,280
Speaker 1: as easy to manipulate, because he probably is because he's

2012
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Speaker 1: very inexperienced. He came out of nowhere, and now they're like,

2013
01:39:24,400 --> 01:39:26,640
Speaker 1: you know, can take him into some classified briefing and

2014
01:39:26,680 --> 01:39:27,880
Speaker 1: scare the shit out them and get him to do

2015
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Speaker 1: whatever the hell they want him to do. Pretty much

2016
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Speaker 1: from that perspective, I understand it. From another tactical perspectives,

2017
01:39:33,040 --> 01:39:36,120
Speaker 1: how I don't, because there were some rumors that if

2018
01:39:36,160 --> 01:39:38,680
Speaker 1: you did have a successful motion of vacate and you

2019
01:39:38,760 --> 01:39:40,960
Speaker 1: threw it back into this like previous chaos, there were

2020
01:39:40,960 --> 01:39:43,320
Speaker 1: some rumors that there were a couple of modern Republicans

2021
01:39:43,320 --> 01:39:45,759
Speaker 1: who were actually going to switch parties. Yeah, that were reported,

2022
01:39:46,200 --> 01:39:48,600
Speaker 1: so and that's all it would take to flip the

2023
01:39:48,600 --> 01:39:51,000
Speaker 1: House to the Democrats. So it's like, Okay, well, why

2024
01:39:51,040 --> 01:39:53,320
Speaker 1: wouldn't she try? Wouldn't you try for that, just as

2025
01:39:53,520 --> 01:39:57,200
Speaker 1: you know, power exercise whatever. Not to mention the fact

2026
01:39:57,320 --> 01:40:02,200
Speaker 1: that these chaotic periods for the Republicans, for your average

2027
01:40:02,280 --> 01:40:04,719
Speaker 1: American who's not paying too much attention that ends announced,

2028
01:40:04,720 --> 01:40:06,360
Speaker 1: they just look at it and like, these people aren't serious,

2029
01:40:06,360 --> 01:40:08,920
Speaker 1: they can't government, like they're fighting with themselves constantly, et cetera,

2030
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Speaker 1: et cetera. And you know, personally, I think there should

2031
01:40:12,840 --> 01:40:14,640
Speaker 1: be more tension within these call because I think there

2032
01:40:14,680 --> 01:40:17,000
Speaker 1: should be more of these battles, et cetera. But I

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01:40:17,000 --> 01:40:18,960
Speaker 1: think the way it reads the American people is just

2034
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Speaker 1: as chaos, and so I don't know also why they

2035
01:40:22,200 --> 01:40:24,559
Speaker 1: would want to rescue the Republicans from that. But hey,

2036
01:40:24,640 --> 01:40:26,800
Speaker 1: the ukraineate, I guess, is so important to them that

2037
01:40:26,880 --> 01:40:28,559
Speaker 1: now that they've got their guy in there who's willing

2038
01:40:28,560 --> 01:40:30,120
Speaker 1: to do whatever it takes to get it through. They're

2039
01:40:30,160 --> 01:40:31,479
Speaker 1: going to stick with that.

2040
01:40:31,640 --> 01:40:32,800
Speaker 3: Yeah, this is what it looks like.

2041
01:40:32,840 --> 01:40:35,519
Speaker 2: And it's just like, this is the most extraordinary thing

2042
01:40:35,640 --> 01:40:39,240
Speaker 2: that's happened in modern Congress in the last thirty forty years.

2043
01:40:39,240 --> 01:40:41,840
Speaker 2: I mean, you have a speaker who uses democratic votes

2044
01:40:41,960 --> 01:40:44,360
Speaker 2: when the majority of his party votes against something to

2045
01:40:44,439 --> 01:40:46,719
Speaker 2: pass aid. I mean, and this is you know, everybody

2046
01:40:46,720 --> 01:40:48,599
Speaker 2: talks about we can't norms and we got to worship

2047
01:40:48,640 --> 01:40:50,880
Speaker 2: norms and all that. They break it for one reason,

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01:40:51,000 --> 01:40:53,240
Speaker 2: not for aid for us, nothing to do with us.

2049
01:40:53,320 --> 01:40:56,439
Speaker 2: It's for aid to foreign powers, like this is the

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01:40:56,479 --> 01:40:59,400
Speaker 2: altar of which they worship. So and they get rewarded

2051
01:40:59,439 --> 01:41:02,320
Speaker 2: for it, They get awarded applied. You know, Mike Johnson

2052
01:41:02,479 --> 01:41:05,479
Speaker 2: is stronger today than he has at any point in

2053
01:41:05,479 --> 01:41:08,640
Speaker 2: his speakership for two reasons. This anti Semitism bs that

2054
01:41:08,680 --> 01:41:11,720
Speaker 2: we started our show with. You know, he's united as caucus,

2055
01:41:11,840 --> 01:41:16,400
Speaker 2: he's got the Columbia Act, Richie Torres and Gotttheimer backing him.

2056
01:41:16,680 --> 01:41:20,280
Speaker 2: The Democrats got their Ukraine aid. The Republicans are backing

2057
01:41:20,320 --> 01:41:23,600
Speaker 2: their speaker standing up against campus protesters.

2058
01:41:23,680 --> 01:41:25,080
Speaker 3: So this is what it looks like.

2059
01:41:25,160 --> 01:41:28,040
Speaker 2: This is what actual like majority rule looks like, and

2060
01:41:28,200 --> 01:41:31,360
Speaker 2: it's not favorable. So I agree, let's go back to chaos.

2061
01:41:32,640 --> 01:41:35,200
Speaker 2: I think it's a more beneficial to the country. All right,

2062
01:41:35,240 --> 01:41:36,920
Speaker 2: last thing here, we put this in there at the

2063
01:41:36,960 --> 01:41:38,960
Speaker 2: last minute, and we'll do our best just to tell

2064
01:41:39,000 --> 01:41:41,400
Speaker 2: you the full story because this is absolutely nuts. Let's

2065
01:41:41,400 --> 01:41:44,440
Speaker 2: put this up there on the screen. Another Boeing whistleblower

2066
01:41:44,520 --> 01:41:47,479
Speaker 2: has died. So whistle blower Josh Dean, he was a

2067
01:41:47,560 --> 01:41:52,639
Speaker 2: whistleblower from supplier Spirit Arrow Systems, died on Tuesday morning,

2068
01:41:53,439 --> 01:41:57,320
Speaker 2: according to them, after struggling with a fast spreading infection.

2069
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Speaker 2: So Josh Dean was forty five year old man. He

2070
01:42:00,200 --> 01:42:03,599
Speaker 2: was in good health quote noted for healthy lifestyle. According

2071
01:42:03,600 --> 01:42:06,040
Speaker 2: to them, he was admitted to the hospital two weeks

2072
01:42:06,080 --> 01:42:09,440
Speaker 2: ago where he became sick with pneumonia. He was intubated

2073
01:42:09,479 --> 01:42:12,400
Speaker 2: and then suffered from MRSA. Now I agree MURSA is certainly,

2074
01:42:12,439 --> 01:42:15,639
Speaker 2: you know, a deadly thing and affects people in the hospital,

2075
01:42:15,640 --> 01:42:17,920
Speaker 2: but the circumstances are still a little bit fishy because

2076
01:42:18,280 --> 01:42:22,840
Speaker 2: literally just weeks ago he was actively involved in giving

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Speaker 2: a deposition against Spirit shareholders in a lawsuit filed in

2078
01:42:27,360 --> 01:42:31,160
Speaker 2: a complaint against with the FAA alleging quote serious and

2079
01:42:31,280 --> 01:42:35,640
Speaker 2: gross misconduct by quality management on seven thirty seven at

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Speaker 2: Spirit Error Systems. For people who don't know, Spirit Error

2081
01:42:39,080 --> 01:42:41,800
Speaker 2: Systems is a separate company from Boeing. It was spun

2082
01:42:41,880 --> 01:42:43,960
Speaker 2: off from Boeing back in I think it was the

2083
01:42:44,040 --> 01:42:46,680
Speaker 2: nineties or some two thousands it was sold off, but

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Speaker 2: it's the exclusive supplier of the Boeing wide body aircraft

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01:42:49,840 --> 01:42:52,800
Speaker 2: to Boeing. Now it's being rebought by Boeing. For all

2086
01:42:52,840 --> 01:42:57,520
Speaker 2: intents and purposes, it's Boeing. So this is another whistleblower involved,

2087
01:42:57,600 --> 01:43:00,679
Speaker 2: you know, with the This is the company which directly

2088
01:43:00,720 --> 01:43:04,559
Speaker 2: was responsible for that door plug manufacture, and he's at

2089
01:43:04,600 --> 01:43:08,000
Speaker 2: the heart of FAA complaints and whistleblowing against the company.

2090
01:43:08,040 --> 01:43:10,920
Speaker 2: And then you know, just dies suddenly in just what

2091
01:43:11,000 --> 01:43:14,719
Speaker 2: a two week circumstance, after reaching the probably the highest

2092
01:43:14,800 --> 01:43:17,400
Speaker 2: level of prominence and Boeing whistleblowers have ever been in.

2093
01:43:17,439 --> 01:43:20,240
Speaker 2: So it's very shocking and it's disturbing to see that

2094
01:43:20,360 --> 01:43:20,680
Speaker 2: some of.

2095
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Speaker 3: This is happening.

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01:43:21,200 --> 01:43:23,759
Speaker 1: Yeah, and obviously comes on the heels up right. Another

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01:43:23,840 --> 01:43:29,600
Speaker 1: consequential Boeing whistleblower killing himself. And you know, obviously that

2098
01:43:29,720 --> 01:43:33,400
Speaker 1: individual had told friends like if I turn up dead,

2099
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Speaker 1: I did not kill myself. So with regards to mister Dean,

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01:43:39,720 --> 01:43:43,640
Speaker 1: he had told Spirit managers about miss drilled holes in

2101
01:43:43,720 --> 01:43:47,200
Speaker 1: seven thirty seven fuselage components parts that were then sent

2102
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Speaker 1: to Boeing, and he claims that those supervisors knew about

2103
01:43:51,320 --> 01:43:55,840
Speaker 1: those subpart parts and allowed them those unsafe products. And

2104
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Speaker 1: he also claims that he was directly retaliated against and

2105
01:43:59,200 --> 01:44:02,760
Speaker 1: lost his job because of raising these concerns. He was

2106
01:44:02,880 --> 01:44:06,200
Speaker 1: very consequential as a whistleblower, not only because of how

2107
01:44:06,360 --> 01:44:08,840
Speaker 1: Spirit was, you know, at the heart of this door

2108
01:44:08,880 --> 01:44:12,080
Speaker 1: plug that blew out mid air, but as Sagar just referenced,

2109
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Speaker 1: he also was really critical to this shareholder lawsuit against Spirit,

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01:44:17,200 --> 01:44:21,439
Speaker 1: claiming that because of these sorts of you know, just

2111
01:44:21,960 --> 01:44:24,759
Speaker 1: commitment to nothing but the bottom line and not caring

2112
01:44:24,760 --> 01:44:27,519
Speaker 1: about safety, that they mismanaged the company in a way

2113
01:44:27,560 --> 01:44:31,360
Speaker 1: that really damaged these shareholders. So his testimony was really

2114
01:44:31,400 --> 01:44:36,160
Speaker 1: critical to this massive shareholder lawsuit against the company. So

2115
01:44:36,360 --> 01:44:39,920
Speaker 1: this was a very significant individual, both in terms of

2116
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Speaker 1: the door plug issue specifically and also in terms of

2117
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Speaker 1: potential massive you know, financial legal consequences for the company

2118
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Speaker 1: because of the shareholders.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, exactly, and now he's dead and you know, look,

2120
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Speaker 2: it's just one of those where clearly there needs to

2121
01:44:53,400 --> 01:44:56,639
Speaker 2: be an actual investigation. You know, these people's lives possibly

2122
01:44:56,640 --> 01:44:59,960
Speaker 2: could be at risk, and these are very fishy circumstance

2123
01:45:00,160 --> 01:45:03,400
Speaker 2: is that last whistleblower. The South Carolina Police have not

2124
01:45:03,520 --> 01:45:04,920
Speaker 2: issued any new update.

2125
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Speaker 3: Don't forget.

2126
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Speaker 2: Boeing is one of the most important companies in the

2127
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Speaker 2: state of South Carolina where all of this happened. These

2128
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Speaker 2: people genuinely, you know, according to them, are at risk,

2129
01:45:15,160 --> 01:45:18,600
Speaker 2: suffered retaliation. One of the whistleblowers testifiable for Congress, and

2130
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Speaker 2: one of his managers said that if he had spoken

2131
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Speaker 2: that way, they would have had him killed in a meeting.

2132
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Speaker 2: So it's not outside the realm of possibility. There's billions

2133
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Speaker 2: of trillions of dollars, you know, possibly at stake care.

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Speaker 1: Possible well criminal liability depending on whatever the hell went down.

2135
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Speaker 1: We don't know what may be hidden here, certainly from

2136
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Speaker 1: the public eye. But all these Boeing whistleblowers that are

2137
01:45:40,680 --> 01:45:43,920
Speaker 1: out there, they need security, they need protection, they need

2138
01:45:43,920 --> 01:45:46,160
Speaker 1: people tasting their food and all the rest because for

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Speaker 1: two of them to die in a short period of

2140
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Speaker 1: time raises a lot of eyebrows.

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Speaker 4: That's right.

2142
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Speaker 3: very much.

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