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Speaker 3: next guest. Author Mile Legosi whistles from the graveyard right

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Speaker 3: here and let's welcome him to soft Rep.

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Speaker 2: Welcome.

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Speaker 4: Thank you so much for having me.

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Speaker 3: You know, we were talking just before show Confirman Marine Corps.

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Speaker 3: And tell me a little bit about you know this

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Speaker 3: young Miles who's like sixth grade?

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Speaker 2: What's going on in your head in sixth grade?

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Speaker 4: Man? Sixth grade?

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Speaker 2: He's through it? Yeah?

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Speaker 4: What was it? That was? That's what nine to eleven happened?

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Speaker 4: Actually I was in sixth grade, yeah, and I remember.

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Speaker 4: But what do you mean, like specifically, what were you

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Speaker 4: doing in life? Bro?

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Speaker 3: What was your goals? Because it probably was not to

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Speaker 3: be an author? Miles Legosi?

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Speaker 4: Was it?

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Speaker 2: What's going on in seventh grade?

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Speaker 3: Dude?

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Speaker 4: Like?

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Speaker 2: Were you struggling in school?

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Speaker 3: Because the people that are going to listen to this,

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Speaker 3: the guys like you, the kids that are fifteen, What

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Speaker 3: were you up to? Man?

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Speaker 2: What made you this badass today that we're going to

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Speaker 2: talk about?

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Speaker 4: Okay, Well, I wasn't at fifteen and sixth grade. That

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Speaker 4: would have been freshman year. But I think I didn't

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Speaker 4: get into my head that I wanted to go to

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Speaker 4: war until I was about sixteen or seventeen. And yeah,

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Speaker 4: it just really it had to do with like a

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Speaker 3: I knew I didn't want to go.

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Speaker 4: To college like everybody else. I wanted to film the war.

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Speaker 4: And I saw Fullmela Jacket about thirty times, and I

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Speaker 4: saw that, you know, you could the main character was

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Speaker 4: essentially what my job was. I saw that you could

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Speaker 4: and then you to war.

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Speaker 2: Stars and Stripes. H you wanted to be in Stars

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Speaker 2: and Stripes? Is that right?

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Speaker 3: Basically, yeah, make that's awesome.

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Speaker 3: So the reason why I want to ask that is

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Speaker 3: I've never really met you, and I'm just trying to

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Speaker 2: And when you turned seventeen eighteen, and did the recruiter

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Speaker 3: Paras Islic because you're east of the Mississippi, so you

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Speaker 3: would go to Paras Island for your recruitment and you know,

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Speaker 3: they call you a boot there recruit Is that what

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Speaker 4: They call you all kinds of things, mostly bitch mostly yeah.

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Speaker 2: You know, everything it's just coming at you.

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Speaker 4: Everything takes on a new term. You know, at first

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Speaker 4: an extreme form of Stockholm syndrome. You know, where they

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Speaker 4: that's stock That's how Stockholm syndrome works, you know. So

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Speaker 4: that's that's basically what how boot Can't functions basically is

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Speaker 3: Yeah, sticks and stones stick together, two people, Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah,

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Speaker 2: Right now, you know, And they're like, I want to

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Speaker 3: I want to walk in and be like say hello

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Speaker 4: I mean, I think you'd have to be insane to

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Speaker 3: Did you get your name read out just like in

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Speaker 3: full metal Jacket and like, uh Snowball and three eleven Infantry.

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Speaker 4: Well, yeah, they called me. They called me a word

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Speaker 3: Book, it's in the book and we won't give you

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Speaker 3: a spoilers. Yeah, this book doesn't hold back. Dude. He

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Speaker 4: Well, I just didn't expect them to give us rifles.

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Speaker 4: On the first day. I was like, because you know,

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Speaker 3: Like, no joke.

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Speaker 2: They're just like, this is what you're here for.

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Speaker 3: What you're here for exactly.

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Speaker 3: So then you go through basic, you get a sign

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Speaker 3: to photography. You've got to stick with that. Is that correct?

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Speaker 4: That is correct? I thought I had a two year contract,

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Speaker 4: camera school. Okay, and basically it's just like a crash course.

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Speaker 4: Actually on it's on for me. The school which is

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Speaker 4: where the NSA is. Think Snowden was there while I

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Speaker 4: imagery of the Afghan National Army, the soldiers that we

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Speaker 4: that didn't go too well.

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Speaker 3: Oh yeah in Iraq, right, Afghanistan? Oh, Afghanistan, Yeah, yeah,

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Speaker 3: because like you were kind of Iraq was going on

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Speaker 3: not trying to get confused on your theater of operations,

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Speaker 3: but you were surging up in Afghanistan while they were

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Speaker 4: Yeah, Iraq was kind of dwindling down. I mean, we

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Speaker 4: we started basically right.

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Speaker 2: We went, Yeah, we.

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Speaker 4: We fucked it up.

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Speaker 2: And we're kind of like as politicians for you though, bro.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, but you know, the soldiers have to take credit

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Speaker 4: to you know, it's it's a volunteer army. It's not

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Speaker 4: Saying it would put it. Military does introduces you to

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Speaker 4: Political beliefs aside. You know, we're still you know, we're

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Speaker 4: No, No, no, I was. I was. I was secret secretly,

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Speaker 3: Sure, can I ask you what kind of camera that

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Speaker 4: combat like a soldier, you know, whose whose job was

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00:22:16,520 --> 00:22:20,000
Speaker 4: this film? And so there was the whole thing with

440
00:22:20,160 --> 00:22:22,840
Speaker 4: that was you know who was can we release these

441
00:22:22,880 --> 00:22:25,960
Speaker 4: photo as well as their government property and blah blah blah.

442
00:22:26,040 --> 00:22:29,280
Speaker 4: But it's not classified. It's a war crime. And so

443
00:22:30,520 --> 00:22:34,040
Speaker 4: eventually I was in that same boat where I was

444
00:22:34,080 --> 00:22:36,600
Speaker 4: talking to military lawyers and they were kind of like

445
00:22:37,000 --> 00:22:40,080
Speaker 4: scratching their heads like, yeah, I don't know, this is

446
00:22:40,119 --> 00:22:42,600
Speaker 4: a gray area. I'm not really sure what to tell you.

447
00:22:43,160 --> 00:22:45,719
Speaker 4: And I finally eventually I was I was studying at

448
00:22:45,760 --> 00:22:49,480
Speaker 4: Columbia University and I found this group called the Night

449
00:22:49,520 --> 00:22:53,040
Speaker 4: Institute and these motherfuckers go hard. I mean they they

450
00:22:53,560 --> 00:22:54,680
Speaker 4: they litigated the.

451
00:22:54,640 --> 00:22:59,320
Speaker 5: Release of like Cie Black Sites in Afghanistan where people

452
00:22:59,320 --> 00:23:02,959
Speaker 5: were getting poor Jared you know one, you know, abuses

453
00:23:03,040 --> 00:23:07,040
Speaker 5: at one and then once I fell in with them

454
00:23:07,080 --> 00:23:09,440
Speaker 5: and they took me on pro bono, I was like, yeah,

455
00:23:09,480 --> 00:23:11,359
Speaker 5: I'm good, I'm good now.

456
00:23:11,320 --> 00:23:15,760
Speaker 4: And uh, the Marine Corps basically realized they couldn't bleed

457
00:23:15,840 --> 00:23:20,320
Speaker 4: me financially right by taking me to court, and they

458
00:23:20,320 --> 00:23:23,359
Speaker 4: would just give more publicity to the film by doing that,

459
00:23:23,760 --> 00:23:26,040
Speaker 4: So they eventually ACKed.

460
00:23:25,720 --> 00:23:29,760
Speaker 2: Off, and uh, what's the progress with the film?

461
00:23:30,200 --> 00:23:31,280
Speaker 4: What's the progress?

462
00:23:31,880 --> 00:23:33,240
Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean, like, where where's that right now?

463
00:23:33,560 --> 00:23:33,680
Speaker 5: Is it?

464
00:23:33,800 --> 00:23:35,680
Speaker 3: Is it Whistles from the Graveyard based on this book

465
00:23:36,800 --> 00:23:39,000
Speaker 3: that's new to me. I'm just learning about that from you.

466
00:23:39,160 --> 00:23:41,840
Speaker 4: Oh oh yeah. No. The documentary is called Combat Obscura.

467
00:23:42,000 --> 00:23:51,600
Speaker 4: It's on Combat Obscure Obscure a okay, Yeah, the book

468
00:23:51,720 --> 00:23:53,800
Speaker 4: is kind of about the making of that.

469
00:23:54,440 --> 00:23:57,320
Speaker 3: Yeah, okay, and I was getting into that. Yeah, so

470
00:23:57,840 --> 00:24:01,360
Speaker 3: Combat Obscura the film that you put together, the documentary,

471
00:24:01,640 --> 00:24:04,720
Speaker 3: and that that's out there to find on platforms everywhere.

472
00:24:04,800 --> 00:24:06,760
Speaker 2: Yeah, well, we'll make sure that that's noted.

473
00:24:06,560 --> 00:24:11,160
Speaker 4: On our anyone who uh, you know computer with internet?

474
00:24:12,800 --> 00:24:13,960
Speaker 3: What a computer?

475
00:24:14,160 --> 00:24:15,040
Speaker 4: What's that phone?

476
00:24:15,080 --> 00:24:15,520
Speaker 3: That's a word.

477
00:24:15,560 --> 00:24:18,280
Speaker 4: I don't watch on your phone. Please, don't watch it

478
00:24:18,359 --> 00:24:18,960
Speaker 4: on your phone.

479
00:24:19,600 --> 00:24:21,320
Speaker 3: I hate when people watch.

480
00:24:21,280 --> 00:24:22,160
Speaker 4: Movies on their phones.

481
00:24:23,119 --> 00:24:25,080
Speaker 2: That's that's great Combat obscura.

482
00:24:25,440 --> 00:24:26,879
Speaker 3: I'll have to check that out, and we'll put a

483
00:24:26,920 --> 00:24:30,200
Speaker 3: link in down below so that our viewers can go

484
00:24:30,240 --> 00:24:32,159
Speaker 3: ahead and just click on it and check out. You know,

485
00:24:32,720 --> 00:24:35,240
Speaker 3: the book, the video that you put together, documentary. I

486
00:24:35,240 --> 00:24:36,960
Speaker 3: mean what I'm saying, I guess what's the progress is it?

487
00:24:37,320 --> 00:24:39,359
Speaker 3: Is it a sun dance thing? Is this something that

488
00:24:39,400 --> 00:24:41,920
Speaker 3: you've submitted to any festivals for you know, any type

489
00:24:41,960 --> 00:24:43,399
Speaker 3: of Yeah, yeah, we did the.

490
00:24:43,400 --> 00:24:50,359
Speaker 4: Whole festival circuit. I played France, Germany, Czech Republic, all

491
00:24:50,440 --> 00:24:57,840
Speaker 4: over the US. Obviously in Germany the craziest shit happened. Yes,

492
00:24:58,560 --> 00:25:03,640
Speaker 4: So the movies obviously pretty intense. You know, it's very graphic.

493
00:25:03,760 --> 00:25:06,320
Speaker 4: There's a lot of blood, a lot of kids getting

494
00:25:06,400 --> 00:25:10,679
Speaker 4: shot up. And at the end, my boy, my buddy,

495
00:25:10,960 --> 00:25:16,280
Speaker 4: Jacob Leedy gets shot and there's this guy in the

496
00:25:16,400 --> 00:25:19,720
Speaker 4: crowd and the audience and he just thinks he just

497
00:25:21,040 --> 00:25:24,480
Speaker 4: clocks out on the floor. They shut down the film.

498
00:25:25,840 --> 00:25:31,600
Speaker 4: The paramedics had to come and then afterwards I have

499
00:25:31,720 --> 00:25:35,440
Speaker 4: to do a Q and A and I'm like, I

500
00:25:35,560 --> 00:25:38,879
Speaker 4: was trying to kind of make like the guy was fine, right,

501
00:25:38,920 --> 00:25:41,840
Speaker 4: he just fainted, right, But Germans, I don't know, if

502
00:25:41,840 --> 00:25:44,600
Speaker 4: you've ever been to Germany, they don't really have much

503
00:25:44,640 --> 00:25:45,520
Speaker 4: of a sense of humor.

504
00:25:46,440 --> 00:25:50,160
Speaker 3: And so I've been to Ramstein, the band that's about

505
00:25:50,200 --> 00:25:51,479
Speaker 3: as close to Germany so far.

506
00:25:51,720 --> 00:25:55,520
Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah, they're great, and so I was kind of

507
00:25:55,560 --> 00:25:58,560
Speaker 4: trying to make light of me, but they were not.

508
00:25:59,600 --> 00:25:59,920
Speaker 3: They were not.

509
00:26:00,119 --> 00:26:01,480
Speaker 4: They're not They're not having it.

510
00:26:02,240 --> 00:26:07,800
Speaker 3: Crickets bro. Yeah, yeah, that's yeah. So just so it's

511
00:26:07,880 --> 00:26:11,720
Speaker 3: got that effect on people. Yeah, you know, my dad

512
00:26:11,800 --> 00:26:14,040
Speaker 3: talked about that with like Platoon back in the eighties.

513
00:26:14,280 --> 00:26:15,879
Speaker 3: He didn't want to see it, you know, He's like,

514
00:26:16,119 --> 00:26:17,879
Speaker 3: guys walked out of the theater on it because it

515
00:26:17,960 --> 00:26:20,439
Speaker 3: was just so much of a muddy grind.

516
00:26:20,600 --> 00:26:23,400
Speaker 4: Yeah that's but that's a Hollywood film. This is we're

517
00:26:23,440 --> 00:26:26,560
Speaker 4: talking about real, real and just and seeing it on

518
00:26:26,880 --> 00:26:30,000
Speaker 4: the big screen is pretty intense. Like I cod, the

519
00:26:30,040 --> 00:26:32,119
Speaker 4: first time I saw it on the big screen, I

520
00:26:32,520 --> 00:26:34,800
Speaker 4: kind of, you know, I had to walk out. I

521
00:26:34,800 --> 00:26:36,600
Speaker 4: couldn't do it. It was just too loud.

522
00:26:36,680 --> 00:26:38,840
Speaker 3: She need to mentally prepare herself to see it. It's

523
00:26:38,920 --> 00:26:49,040
Speaker 3: just not like, yeah, it's a Sunday morning viewing. Yeah,

524
00:26:49,080 --> 00:26:52,200
Speaker 3: I got green screen my cat into the every podcast.

525
00:26:54,520 --> 00:26:56,880
Speaker 3: She seems I have my pencil, you see my David

526
00:26:56,960 --> 00:26:59,840
Speaker 3: Letterman pencil, and so she's like, I want that pencil,

527
00:27:00,119 --> 00:27:05,120
Speaker 3: my spine like she likes that whole like, yeah, interesting.

528
00:27:04,760 --> 00:27:08,280
Speaker 4: And she likes to like, yeah, yeah, I got two

529
00:27:08,359 --> 00:27:09,040
Speaker 4: of them myself.

530
00:27:09,680 --> 00:27:11,320
Speaker 3: Oh good, we're going to get along. I think you

531
00:27:11,359 --> 00:27:11,800
Speaker 3: already are.

532
00:27:14,200 --> 00:27:15,840
Speaker 2: So where are you based out of right now? Where

533
00:27:15,840 --> 00:27:16,840
Speaker 2: am I talking to you from?

534
00:27:17,600 --> 00:27:21,280
Speaker 4: Oh little place called Los Angeles, California?

535
00:27:21,440 --> 00:27:24,800
Speaker 2: Okay, yeah, yeah, and I'm in Salt Lake City, Utah.

536
00:27:26,000 --> 00:27:28,399
Speaker 4: Nice. Yeah, skiing a lot and.

537
00:27:29,240 --> 00:27:30,160
Speaker 2: Snowboard all the time.

538
00:27:30,240 --> 00:27:32,960
Speaker 3: In fact, my snowboards are just right against the wall,

539
00:27:33,880 --> 00:27:36,640
Speaker 3: just right there waiting for two three weeks from.

540
00:27:36,560 --> 00:27:42,280
Speaker 4: Now, snowboarding I ever did out there. Yeah, Trady can

541
00:27:42,359 --> 00:27:45,639
Speaker 4: come boarding into the town, you know. I love that.

542
00:27:46,080 --> 00:27:48,480
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, yeah, you can ski in and out of it.

543
00:27:48,720 --> 00:27:49,720
Speaker 4: Yeah that's pretty cool.

544
00:27:50,600 --> 00:27:51,080
Speaker 3: That is cool.

545
00:27:51,160 --> 00:27:52,800
Speaker 2: Yeah, you should come out any time and hit me up.

546
00:27:52,800 --> 00:27:55,680
Speaker 4: We'll go right yeah, just you know, buy me a flight.

547
00:27:57,000 --> 00:28:00,000
Speaker 2: Yeah, you know what, breeze, breeze.

548
00:28:00,200 --> 00:28:01,880
Speaker 3: Let me just give them a shout out, dude, twenty

549
00:28:02,000 --> 00:28:04,760
Speaker 3: nine dollars one way from John Wayne to Salt Lake City,

550
00:28:04,840 --> 00:28:07,240
Speaker 3: provo which is John Wayne?

551
00:28:07,240 --> 00:28:08,119
Speaker 4: Which airport is it?

552
00:28:08,359 --> 00:28:10,399
Speaker 2: John Wayne? I think is Orange County?

553
00:28:11,000 --> 00:28:13,960
Speaker 3: Okay, But if you're talking realistic, it just takes you

554
00:28:13,960 --> 00:28:16,080
Speaker 3: a minute to get Yeah, just get to John Wayne,

555
00:28:16,400 --> 00:28:17,640
Speaker 3: fly out to Salt Lake City.

556
00:28:17,720 --> 00:28:19,520
Speaker 2: It takes you thirty bucks one way, it's.

557
00:28:19,359 --> 00:28:21,520
Speaker 3: Six two bucks around and then you get with the past.

558
00:28:22,520 --> 00:28:25,240
Speaker 2: All right, I'll give you a red Oh yeah, that's true.

559
00:28:25,359 --> 00:28:26,679
Speaker 2: I might know somebody though.

560
00:28:27,080 --> 00:28:28,960
Speaker 3: You just never know. You can do it for cheap

561
00:28:28,960 --> 00:28:32,600
Speaker 3: if you're me, you know how to play the system,

562
00:28:33,320 --> 00:28:35,399
Speaker 3: if you know how to just like you know, use

563
00:28:35,440 --> 00:28:36,960
Speaker 3: a coupon like the Beastie Boys.

564
00:28:37,320 --> 00:28:37,560
Speaker 4: Yeah.

565
00:28:40,200 --> 00:28:42,160
Speaker 3: Well, let's talk about what's from the graveyard, Like, what

566
00:28:42,240 --> 00:28:43,920
Speaker 3: do you think is next? If you're going to write

567
00:28:43,920 --> 00:28:48,040
Speaker 3: another book, you're going to have anything that's on your mind?

568
00:28:48,160 --> 00:28:52,160
Speaker 4: What hopefully? Yeah, I'd like to write a novel next,

569
00:28:52,440 --> 00:28:54,640
Speaker 4: but yeah, write.

570
00:28:54,520 --> 00:28:56,320
Speaker 3: Something that's just something in your mind, like you have

571
00:28:56,440 --> 00:28:58,520
Speaker 3: a you have characters and that you're gonna put out there.

572
00:28:59,040 --> 00:29:02,560
Speaker 4: Yeah, I love it, but that is much harder. I

573
00:29:02,600 --> 00:29:08,000
Speaker 4: think writing fiction is a lot harder than writing what happened, Yeah,

574
00:29:08,000 --> 00:29:12,000
Speaker 4: because you're already you know, you're just writing down what happened,

575
00:29:12,200 --> 00:29:14,440
Speaker 4: what you saw. You know, you know all the characters,

576
00:29:14,520 --> 00:29:19,360
Speaker 4: you know their backstory because they're real people. And with fiction,

577
00:29:19,640 --> 00:29:24,040
Speaker 4: that all has to be created out of center. You know.

578
00:29:26,320 --> 00:29:27,680
Speaker 3: Let's read the back of your book here, I'm going

579
00:29:27,720 --> 00:29:31,040
Speaker 3: to read this. At just eighteen years old, Miles Logozi

580
00:29:31,160 --> 00:29:33,680
Speaker 3: joined the Marine Corps a decade after the war began

581
00:29:33,800 --> 00:29:36,720
Speaker 3: and found himself surrounded by people not unlike those he'd

582
00:29:36,760 --> 00:29:40,440
Speaker 3: left behind at home. Aimless youth searching for stability, community

583
00:29:40,600 --> 00:29:44,160
Speaker 3: and economic security. Deployed to Afghanistan as a combat cameraman.

584
00:29:44,240 --> 00:29:48,720
Speaker 3: An active duty videographer and photographer, Logozi produced slick images

585
00:29:48,840 --> 00:29:52,400
Speaker 3: of glory and heroism for public consumption, but his government

586
00:29:52,440 --> 00:29:56,680
Speaker 3: approved footage concealed a grim reality. Here, Logosi pulls back

587
00:29:56,800 --> 00:29:59,920
Speaker 3: the curtain and illustrates the grizzly truth of the law

588
00:30:00,000 --> 00:30:03,520
Speaker 3: longest war in American history. As these young men and

589
00:30:03,560 --> 00:30:06,280
Speaker 3: women were deployed in an unfamiliar country half a world

590
00:30:06,320 --> 00:30:10,200
Speaker 3: away History's graveyard of empires, they carried the scars of

591
00:30:10,280 --> 00:30:13,640
Speaker 3: the fractured homeland that sent them. Legozi shows US marines

592
00:30:13,680 --> 00:30:17,080
Speaker 3: straddling the edge of chaos. We see forces desensitized to

593
00:30:17,160 --> 00:30:19,880
Speaker 3: gore and suffering by the darkest reaches of the Internet,

594
00:30:20,160 --> 00:30:23,200
Speaker 3: unsure of their place in an unraveling world, and set

595
00:30:23,240 --> 00:30:26,120
Speaker 3: further adrift by the uncertain mission to which they had

596
00:30:26,960 --> 00:30:31,080
Speaker 3: been assigned abroad. Whistles from the Graveyard shows the parts

597
00:30:31,120 --> 00:30:34,200
Speaker 3: of the Afghanistan War we were never meant to see.

598
00:30:34,480 --> 00:30:38,280
Speaker 3: Afghan locals and American infantry, drawn together by their fears

599
00:30:38,320 --> 00:30:41,800
Speaker 3: of the ghostly ever present terror of the Taliban, moments

600
00:30:41,880 --> 00:30:45,800
Speaker 3: of dark resignation, and as the devastating toll of years

601
00:30:45,880 --> 00:30:50,240
Speaker 3: in wars. Crossfire reveals itself between bouts of adrenaline laced

602
00:30:50,320 --> 00:30:55,040
Speaker 3: violence and knights of reckless drug fueled abandoned to drug fueled,

603
00:30:55,040 --> 00:30:57,880
Speaker 3: abandoned to dull the pain. Yeah why not? In full

604
00:30:57,960 --> 00:31:01,440
Speaker 3: vivid color miles, Logozi shows us an overlook generation of

605
00:31:01,520 --> 00:31:04,920
Speaker 3: young Americans we cast out into the desert, steeped in nihilism,

606
00:31:05,200 --> 00:31:09,880
Speaker 3: and shift back home with first hand training in extremism, misenthropy,

607
00:31:10,200 --> 00:31:12,920
Speaker 3: and insurrection. That's on the back of the book. I

608
00:31:13,000 --> 00:31:14,480
Speaker 3: just wanted to read that for you, so you get

609
00:31:14,480 --> 00:31:17,960
Speaker 3: an idea of what's in this book, what's going on

610
00:31:18,120 --> 00:31:21,320
Speaker 3: with Miles. So Miles, you know, I like to talk

611
00:31:21,360 --> 00:31:23,680
Speaker 3: about snowboarding. I like to talk about thrills before pills

612
00:31:23,720 --> 00:31:26,200
Speaker 3: and getting out and doing something with yourself mentally. You know,

613
00:31:26,720 --> 00:31:28,600
Speaker 3: we do talk about the VA and going there and

614
00:31:28,640 --> 00:31:31,080
Speaker 3: then here's a prescription, go take this pill and all

615
00:31:31,120 --> 00:31:34,080
Speaker 3: that kind of stuff. How does someone like you who's

616
00:31:34,120 --> 00:31:37,680
Speaker 3: seen through lenses seeing things firsthand that didn't no one

617
00:31:37,760 --> 00:31:39,520
Speaker 3: really sees. How are you coping with all of that?

618
00:31:39,760 --> 00:31:42,240
Speaker 3: Is it snowboarding writing? Is that what you're doing?

619
00:31:43,000 --> 00:31:46,560
Speaker 4: Well? I mean, for a long time it was just drinking.

620
00:31:47,080 --> 00:31:49,160
Speaker 4: You know, I'm trying to cut back on that. But

621
00:31:50,240 --> 00:31:54,720
Speaker 4: I'll tell you, like I didn't really feel it as

622
00:31:54,920 --> 00:31:58,280
Speaker 4: much when I first got out, but the thing is,

623
00:31:58,400 --> 00:32:01,240
Speaker 4: it comes back. I was just talking to a buddy

624
00:32:01,320 --> 00:32:05,800
Speaker 4: of mine and he never you know, he he was

625
00:32:05,800 --> 00:32:09,880
Speaker 4: getting disability for PTSD and he actually even you know,

626
00:32:10,080 --> 00:32:12,760
Speaker 4: canceled it as if he said, no, I don't you know,

627
00:32:12,920 --> 00:32:15,680
Speaker 4: I don't know PTSD can stop giving me a monthly

628
00:32:15,800 --> 00:32:20,320
Speaker 4: checked you know for that. And then just recently, uh,

629
00:32:20,440 --> 00:32:24,520
Speaker 4: he started having panic attacks, you know, so it's like

630
00:32:25,280 --> 00:32:27,400
Speaker 4: it go, it goes away, and it comes, but it's

631
00:32:27,440 --> 00:32:30,360
Speaker 4: always kind of there, you know, it comes and goes.

632
00:32:31,000 --> 00:32:34,280
Speaker 4: I think especially during COVID when everyone, you know, everyone

633
00:32:34,480 --> 00:32:37,560
Speaker 4: was locked down, that's when it was the hardest for me.

634
00:32:37,640 --> 00:32:41,320
Speaker 4: It was because there wasn't really you just trapped with

635
00:32:41,400 --> 00:32:43,880
Speaker 4: your own thoughts and and all that, you know.

636
00:32:44,640 --> 00:32:47,200
Speaker 3: But yeah, and not not go out and talk to anybody.

637
00:32:47,280 --> 00:32:50,040
Speaker 3: You're kind of like that certain amount. Yeah, it's just

638
00:32:50,120 --> 00:32:54,640
Speaker 3: you and your headspace. Yeah, yeah, wow, somewhere deep in

639
00:32:54,720 --> 00:32:56,360
Speaker 3: your mind, you know.

640
00:32:56,640 --> 00:32:59,480
Speaker 4: And and also and also every you know, everyone was

641
00:32:59,560 --> 00:33:03,000
Speaker 4: drinking during the day. I remember like just day drinking,

642
00:33:04,200 --> 00:33:07,200
Speaker 4: doing drugs, you know, there were a lot of ods

643
00:33:08,240 --> 00:33:13,040
Speaker 4: during COVID. Yeah, just being trapped with nothing to do,

644
00:33:13,320 --> 00:33:16,000
Speaker 4: nowhere to go. On top of that, then the pull

645
00:33:16,040 --> 00:33:19,040
Speaker 4: out from Afghanistan, and I think that I think that

646
00:33:19,200 --> 00:33:22,400
Speaker 4: was very hard for a lot of veterans, you know,

647
00:33:22,520 --> 00:33:23,440
Speaker 4: myself included.

648
00:33:24,600 --> 00:33:27,800
Speaker 3: Yeah, to see what they were sent over for, to

649
00:33:27,920 --> 00:33:32,400
Speaker 3: fight for, to just be abysmally just ended, like you know,

650
00:33:33,400 --> 00:33:35,320
Speaker 3: just cut open a pool above ground pool, let the

651
00:33:35,360 --> 00:33:35,920
Speaker 3: water just out.

652
00:33:35,960 --> 00:33:39,040
Speaker 4: That's kind of how the well they knew, not a

653
00:33:39,240 --> 00:33:43,960
Speaker 4: single fucking person I know who was in Afghanistan was

654
00:33:44,040 --> 00:33:47,000
Speaker 4: actually in the ship like in the fucking war. Now,

655
00:33:47,080 --> 00:33:50,320
Speaker 4: I'm not talking about like being on Bagram Air Base

656
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Speaker 4: where they had like a TGI Fridays and the Starbucks

657
00:33:53,600 --> 00:33:57,240
Speaker 4: and shit. We're talking about living like in the actual war.

658
00:33:58,560 --> 00:34:02,640
Speaker 4: No one was surprised. No one was surprised by what happened.

659
00:34:03,200 --> 00:34:07,000
Speaker 4: I mean, the quickness of it was surprised. It was.

660
00:34:07,360 --> 00:34:11,800
Speaker 4: It was surprised me how quickly the Afghan Army just said,

661
00:34:12,080 --> 00:34:15,879
Speaker 4: just surrendered and melted it. But at the same time,

662
00:34:16,280 --> 00:34:21,040
Speaker 4: you got to understand they had been fighting the Taliban.

663
00:34:22,000 --> 00:34:27,320
Speaker 4: So around twenty I want to say twenty fourteen, twenty fifteen,

664
00:34:28,000 --> 00:34:29,920
Speaker 4: don't quote me on that, but I think that's when

665
00:34:29,960 --> 00:34:35,640
Speaker 4: we stopped actively like patrolling with the Afghan Army, you know,

666
00:34:36,000 --> 00:34:40,360
Speaker 4: you know, kicking indoors with them and actually like you know,

667
00:34:40,520 --> 00:34:45,320
Speaker 4: patrolling and getting taking fire and whatnot. Once we stopped

668
00:34:45,400 --> 00:34:49,839
Speaker 4: doing that, their troops reached Vietnam casualty race. I mean,

669
00:34:49,880 --> 00:34:54,440
Speaker 4: they were getting totally massacred by the Taliban because they

670
00:34:54,480 --> 00:34:57,280
Speaker 4: didn't have US with them, they didn't have our air support,

671
00:34:58,120 --> 00:35:00,839
Speaker 4: and so they had they were tired, man, they were

672
00:35:00,920 --> 00:35:06,080
Speaker 4: fucking tired by the time Biden pulled us out, and

673
00:35:06,200 --> 00:35:08,879
Speaker 4: so I think they were just like, what's the point.

674
00:35:09,000 --> 00:35:11,480
Speaker 3: You know, Well, the accord was signed by Donald Trump

675
00:35:11,680 --> 00:35:14,640
Speaker 3: in December. Yeah, that's what was signed. And he also

676
00:35:14,719 --> 00:35:19,040
Speaker 3: invited the Taliban to Camp David. Yeah. Yeah, let's let's

677
00:35:19,040 --> 00:35:21,920
Speaker 3: bring that up in perspective of what was left for

678
00:35:22,000 --> 00:35:25,399
Speaker 3: the guy that came in to take over, because Biden wasn't.

679
00:35:25,880 --> 00:35:28,680
Speaker 3: He was a civilian when all of that happened, right,

680
00:35:29,080 --> 00:35:32,960
Speaker 3: and so it was just putting his lap to deal

681
00:35:33,040 --> 00:35:35,080
Speaker 3: with and he had to. But I think what he

682
00:35:35,200 --> 00:35:37,840
Speaker 3: said also is what you said also, is it just

683
00:35:37,880 --> 00:35:40,680
Speaker 3: happened so quickly no one stood up to fight for

684
00:35:40,800 --> 00:35:41,360
Speaker 3: their country.

685
00:35:41,440 --> 00:35:43,720
Speaker 4: There there's no country.

686
00:35:44,600 --> 00:35:46,719
Speaker 3: Well, they've been fighting for so long, since seventy nine,

687
00:35:46,800 --> 00:35:51,560
Speaker 3: the you know, invasion of Russia, the Ottomann Empire, I mean, Petra,

688
00:35:51,920 --> 00:35:53,640
Speaker 3: you know, all the way back to Donna time.

689
00:35:53,880 --> 00:35:55,799
Speaker 2: This is we're talking. You know, every stone over there

690
00:35:55,800 --> 00:35:56,600
Speaker 2: has DNA on it.

691
00:35:57,040 --> 00:35:57,239
Speaker 3: Yeah.

692
00:35:57,360 --> 00:36:00,320
Speaker 4: Man, it's a crazy place, and it's not It's like

693
00:36:01,560 --> 00:36:03,920
Speaker 4: our whole thing was like trying to convince them that

694
00:36:05,000 --> 00:36:07,719
Speaker 4: trying to give them a national identity or something like

695
00:36:07,840 --> 00:36:12,480
Speaker 4: you're your Afghan and have some pride, have pride in

696
00:36:12,560 --> 00:36:16,000
Speaker 4: your country, and they're like, but I identify with this tribe,

697
00:36:16,360 --> 00:36:19,040
Speaker 4: Like I don't identify as an Afghan. You know, a

698
00:36:19,120 --> 00:36:21,279
Speaker 4: lot of the civilians that are living out there in

699
00:36:21,360 --> 00:36:24,640
Speaker 4: the rural parts where the war was happening, We're like,

700
00:36:25,560 --> 00:36:29,120
Speaker 4: who the fuck are you guys? Like, what's an Afghan

701
00:36:29,280 --> 00:36:29,600
Speaker 4: to them?

702
00:36:29,680 --> 00:36:33,800
Speaker 2: You know, they're just Afghanistan. They're like, wait, what we

703
00:36:33,960 --> 00:36:34,239
Speaker 2: call this?

704
00:36:34,800 --> 00:36:37,719
Speaker 4: Yeah, they're just identifies as their tribe, you know. And

705
00:36:39,200 --> 00:36:42,279
Speaker 4: it was just insane. It was totally fucking insane to

706
00:36:42,400 --> 00:36:45,760
Speaker 4: think that we could, I don't know, make.

707
00:36:45,680 --> 00:36:46,440
Speaker 3: It work, change it.

708
00:36:46,680 --> 00:36:48,240
Speaker 4: Yeah, it was just so stupid.

709
00:36:48,520 --> 00:36:49,240
Speaker 2: Change the scenery.

710
00:36:49,520 --> 00:36:54,319
Speaker 4: Knew those motherfuckers, Crystal and uh pet what's his name?

711
00:36:54,760 --> 00:37:00,440
Speaker 4: Betray us, all those motherfuckers knew it wasn't working and

712
00:37:00,560 --> 00:37:04,720
Speaker 4: it wasn't going to work, and they just kept perpetuating

713
00:37:04,800 --> 00:37:10,239
Speaker 4: it for reasons that I think we all know. You know,

714
00:37:10,280 --> 00:37:12,200
Speaker 4: a lot of it had to do with money.

715
00:37:13,040 --> 00:37:17,600
Speaker 3: In economy. Yep, our number one exports our military. As

716
00:37:17,640 --> 00:37:25,600
Speaker 3: in America, we export the military worldwide, global international, It's

717
00:37:25,640 --> 00:37:27,160
Speaker 3: our number one thing. And then back home the war

718
00:37:27,280 --> 00:37:29,320
Speaker 3: machine kicks up, like, oh yeah, here we go. The

719
00:37:29,360 --> 00:37:32,359
Speaker 3: wheels are spinning becomes the d D contracts. Oh wait,

720
00:37:33,160 --> 00:37:35,840
Speaker 3: why are we bidding on the lowest dollar for the

721
00:37:36,000 --> 00:37:37,959
Speaker 3: most night vision best night vision?

722
00:37:38,000 --> 00:37:38,160
Speaker 4: Wait?

723
00:37:38,239 --> 00:37:39,120
Speaker 3: What just get three?

724
00:37:39,840 --> 00:37:40,000
Speaker 5: Three?

725
00:37:41,680 --> 00:37:44,879
Speaker 4: Three dollars were spent on Afghanistan And we still don't

726
00:37:44,920 --> 00:37:48,400
Speaker 4: have healthcare back at home. And you can't wage, you

727
00:37:48,480 --> 00:37:53,040
Speaker 4: can't get you can't get a minimum wage job, you know, Like, but.

728
00:37:53,120 --> 00:37:56,200
Speaker 3: We have healthcare, but we're paying for it likes but

729
00:37:56,320 --> 00:37:58,800
Speaker 3: everybody has to pay for it. But we're like, I

730
00:37:58,960 --> 00:38:02,440
Speaker 3: completely the war machine, like you said, you know, here

731
00:38:02,480 --> 00:38:05,640
Speaker 3: we are as taxpayers paying our taxes because we have to.

732
00:38:06,160 --> 00:38:08,560
Speaker 3: But they go to some Patriot missile that gets its

733
00:38:08,600 --> 00:38:11,080
Speaker 3: wires ripped out for forty grand, And now that money

734
00:38:11,120 --> 00:38:13,239
Speaker 3: that I wanted it to work is just a ripped

735
00:38:13,239 --> 00:38:15,839
Speaker 3: out Patriot missile wire. It's like, yeah, please don't put

736
00:38:15,880 --> 00:38:18,359
Speaker 3: my taxpayers dollars into a Patriot missile. We please put

737
00:38:18,400 --> 00:38:19,560
Speaker 3: it into body armor.

738
00:38:20,400 --> 00:38:24,680
Speaker 4: Yeah, man, I mean we patrolled with the with here

739
00:38:24,920 --> 00:38:29,600
Speaker 4: like and weapons of destruction at our disposal, but totaled

740
00:38:29,719 --> 00:38:33,439
Speaker 4: more in like the average college like college students debt,

741
00:38:34,000 --> 00:38:37,000
Speaker 4: you know what I mean, Like everybody's in debt, everyone's

742
00:38:37,160 --> 00:38:42,520
Speaker 4: enslaved to the system back home. Meanwhile, we're wasting trillions

743
00:38:42,560 --> 00:38:44,320
Speaker 4: of dollars abroad.

744
00:38:44,560 --> 00:38:48,080
Speaker 2: Just I would stay talk about and Lons already dead.

745
00:38:48,440 --> 00:38:52,439
Speaker 4: Okay, he died, he died here, he got shot. Yeah,

746
00:38:52,520 --> 00:38:55,399
Speaker 4: he died while we were out there, and they called

747
00:38:55,440 --> 00:38:58,919
Speaker 4: his formation in the middle of the night and they said, yeah,

748
00:38:59,000 --> 00:39:03,239
Speaker 4: we we get up in Loaden. And so everyone's like that,

749
00:39:03,239 --> 00:39:06,279
Speaker 4: I mean, we can go home, like the war over

750
00:39:07,080 --> 00:39:11,799
Speaker 4: and uh no, another ten years, another.

751
00:39:11,640 --> 00:39:14,640
Speaker 3: Ten years with a free piece of paper that said

752
00:39:14,640 --> 00:39:16,840
Speaker 3: you have car blanche to do whatever you need in

753
00:39:16,920 --> 00:39:19,640
Speaker 3: the name of terrorism. Yeah.

754
00:39:19,880 --> 00:39:23,160
Speaker 4: And when you say, when you say the global War

755
00:39:23,320 --> 00:39:26,080
Speaker 4: on terrorism, what does that mean? What does that means?

756
00:39:26,160 --> 00:39:29,160
Speaker 4: That means that means we can go anywhere we want.

757
00:39:29,000 --> 00:39:31,360
Speaker 3: Anywhere, we can go anywhere we want.

758
00:39:31,480 --> 00:39:36,960
Speaker 4: That we call a terrorist place. So basically we opened

759
00:39:37,080 --> 00:39:40,360
Speaker 4: up the whole Middle mostly the Middle East in Asia

760
00:39:40,520 --> 00:39:44,040
Speaker 4: right to basically just do whatever we want. I mean,

761
00:39:44,120 --> 00:39:48,759
Speaker 4: imagine if a country flew a drone into like Manhattan

762
00:39:49,560 --> 00:39:53,960
Speaker 4: and just shot a fucking there and just shot like

763
00:39:54,080 --> 00:39:57,359
Speaker 4: a low level drug dealer. Right.

764
00:39:57,600 --> 00:39:59,320
Speaker 3: Just I'm with you X.

765
00:39:59,480 --> 00:40:04,160
Speaker 4: You know, no trial, nothing, just straight you know, execution, right, right,

766
00:40:04,320 --> 00:40:06,279
Speaker 4: That's what we're that's what we've been doing for the

767
00:40:06,360 --> 00:40:11,720
Speaker 4: past twenty years. It's just literally killing lola like usually

768
00:40:11,800 --> 00:40:16,160
Speaker 4: the wrong people. Let's be honest, because intel, military military

769
00:40:16,239 --> 00:40:21,360
Speaker 4: intelligence is an oxymoron. It doesn't, you know, it doesn't,

770
00:40:22,400 --> 00:40:24,080
Speaker 4: they don't. No one knows what the fuck they're doing.

771
00:40:24,719 --> 00:40:29,080
Speaker 4: And you're killing these low level guys with no trial,

772
00:40:29,680 --> 00:40:33,200
Speaker 4: you know, no nothing, just oh he's a bad guy. Yeah, done,

773
00:40:33,320 --> 00:40:36,480
Speaker 4: he's dead. And then uh and then they kids come

774
00:40:36,600 --> 00:40:39,080
Speaker 4: running over and they kill them too, And it's like,

775
00:40:39,680 --> 00:40:41,480
Speaker 4: what if we create, well, you know what kind of

776
00:40:41,640 --> 00:40:46,040
Speaker 4: like system apparatus have we created that allows us to

777
00:40:46,239 --> 00:40:50,480
Speaker 4: just go into other people's backyard and assassinate people from

778
00:40:50,520 --> 00:40:52,200
Speaker 4: the sky like freaking.

779
00:40:52,920 --> 00:40:55,640
Speaker 3: Well, it's kind of playing out right now where you know,

780
00:40:55,760 --> 00:40:59,920
Speaker 3: unfortunately Hamas you know, through rockets in a volley at Israel. Recently,

781
00:41:00,360 --> 00:41:02,839
Speaker 3: Israel has retaliated saying that this is now they're nine

782
00:41:02,840 --> 00:41:05,560
Speaker 3: to eleven. They have retaliated saying that they have every

783
00:41:05,680 --> 00:41:07,880
Speaker 3: right to go into Gaza and just level it and

784
00:41:08,280 --> 00:41:12,279
Speaker 3: whatever they need to do to now go carb Blanche, right,

785
00:41:12,360 --> 00:41:14,640
Speaker 3: and so now Israel is like coiling up to do

786
00:41:14,840 --> 00:41:19,000
Speaker 3: some type of GWOT global war on Terror front because

787
00:41:19,320 --> 00:41:21,840
Speaker 3: they saw us do that when we were assaulted in

788
00:41:21,960 --> 00:41:24,560
Speaker 3: New York City and then we turned into the global

789
00:41:24,600 --> 00:41:28,680
Speaker 3: War on Terror mechanism machine just to go after him.

790
00:41:28,719 --> 00:41:34,120
Speaker 4: Right, It's uncanny. It's uncanny how similar the seermongering is

791
00:41:34,440 --> 00:41:39,480
Speaker 4: that the news is doing, you know, back like they

792
00:41:39,560 --> 00:41:40,560
Speaker 4: did after nine to eleven.

793
00:41:41,400 --> 00:41:44,160
Speaker 3: Well, yeah, right right, And I'm just I see things,

794
00:41:44,200 --> 00:41:45,520
Speaker 3: you know, I'm just watching it. I talked to a

795
00:41:45,560 --> 00:41:46,800
Speaker 3: lot of folks. You know. I've got a friend in

796
00:41:46,840 --> 00:41:48,879
Speaker 3: Gaza right now on the ground, and he's just like, rad,

797
00:41:49,280 --> 00:41:51,480
Speaker 3: can you get me somewing at Marine DoD To so

798
00:41:51,520 --> 00:41:53,480
Speaker 3: I could talk to him about this MEU unit that's

799
00:41:53,480 --> 00:41:55,160
Speaker 3: off the coast. He's like this, that and the other.

800
00:41:55,239 --> 00:41:57,239
Speaker 3: And he's right there, you know, he's taking photos of

801
00:41:57,719 --> 00:41:59,960
Speaker 3: the Israeli tanks. I want to call him like a

802
00:42:00,120 --> 00:42:04,960
Speaker 3: Mrko but it's something different. But nonetheless, dude, Yeah, they're

803
00:42:05,000 --> 00:42:08,640
Speaker 3: coiling up over there for something. I mean. And the

804
00:42:08,760 --> 00:42:13,480
Speaker 3: actors who perpetrated the war that through those rockets are

805
00:42:13,560 --> 00:42:17,520
Speaker 3: not the children that are exactly slingshots. I'm sorry, yeah,

806
00:42:17,880 --> 00:42:20,799
Speaker 3: I'm sorry. Kids with a rock in a slingshot are

807
00:42:20,880 --> 00:42:23,080
Speaker 3: not the kids with the rockets no, no.

808
00:42:23,239 --> 00:42:25,279
Speaker 4: And you can't, like like we said, you know, you

809
00:42:25,400 --> 00:42:30,480
Speaker 4: can't for one, you know, for one terrorist group to

810
00:42:30,640 --> 00:42:35,960
Speaker 4: miss a terrorist act, right, you can't just then invade

811
00:42:36,000 --> 00:42:39,279
Speaker 4: the whole country because it's like about the because of

812
00:42:39,320 --> 00:42:42,919
Speaker 4: one hundred guys did something like what we did in Afghanistan,

813
00:42:43,680 --> 00:42:47,239
Speaker 4: like al Qaeda I think was maybe a thousand deep

814
00:42:47,680 --> 00:42:50,040
Speaker 4: in the cave and you know the cave.

815
00:42:50,480 --> 00:42:51,720
Speaker 2: Why do we even go into Iraq?

816
00:42:52,760 --> 00:42:53,600
Speaker 4: Don't get me sorry.

817
00:42:53,680 --> 00:42:57,040
Speaker 3: On that case, Saddam paid a family twenty five thousand

818
00:42:57,040 --> 00:42:59,719
Speaker 3: dollars for their suicide bomber. And as soon as he

819
00:42:59,800 --> 00:43:02,399
Speaker 3: did that, as soon as he did that, they said,

820
00:43:02,440 --> 00:43:05,240
Speaker 3: oh oh, he just became a terrorist.

821
00:43:05,560 --> 00:43:06,200
Speaker 4: Go yep.

822
00:43:06,600 --> 00:43:08,399
Speaker 3: Turkey's like, we're not gonna let you invade from the north.

823
00:43:08,480 --> 00:43:10,640
Speaker 3: And then they made him move all of everything, go

824
00:43:10,719 --> 00:43:12,000
Speaker 3: all the way around Iraq.

825
00:43:12,280 --> 00:43:14,759
Speaker 2: It was like we know you're coming this whole thing.

826
00:43:15,560 --> 00:43:19,440
Speaker 4: And because yeah, yeah, and you know, I like when

827
00:43:19,480 --> 00:43:22,600
Speaker 4: we talk about terrorism, you also got to think when

828
00:43:22,640 --> 00:43:28,080
Speaker 4: you're the weaker force there, resistant and you're you're being

829
00:43:28,160 --> 00:43:33,719
Speaker 4: oppressed by a giant machine of war that can just

830
00:43:34,800 --> 00:43:40,440
Speaker 4: that's constantly bowling, constantly oppressed me sometimes and this was

831
00:43:40,520 --> 00:43:45,279
Speaker 4: the case with the Vietcong and Algerians and France and uh,

832
00:43:46,080 --> 00:43:51,160
Speaker 4: you know, terrorism is sometimes the only way to resit,

833
00:43:51,320 --> 00:43:54,520
Speaker 4: to fight back because you can't, you know, Hamas can't

834
00:43:54,640 --> 00:43:59,440
Speaker 4: just like overrun the Israeli military, right, so they have

835
00:43:59,600 --> 00:44:02,799
Speaker 4: to I'm not advocating for terrorism. I'm just saying, when

836
00:44:03,280 --> 00:44:06,959
Speaker 4: let's when we think about it, it's sometimes the only

837
00:44:07,040 --> 00:44:11,160
Speaker 4: option that they have right is to commit acts of

838
00:44:11,320 --> 00:44:15,440
Speaker 4: terror because they don't have any other resources.

839
00:44:14,960 --> 00:44:18,000
Speaker 3: They don't have the same infrastructure. They're they're working on

840
00:44:18,080 --> 00:44:20,799
Speaker 3: the sidelines. They're doing things that are like these they're

841
00:44:20,880 --> 00:44:23,680
Speaker 3: being Tom Hanks is saving Private Ryan where he creates

842
00:44:23,680 --> 00:44:26,240
Speaker 3: a sticky bomb out of a sock to try to blow.

843
00:44:26,120 --> 00:44:26,560
Speaker 2: Up a tank.

844
00:44:26,680 --> 00:44:28,799
Speaker 3: Yeah, okay, because it's this last it's all he has.

845
00:44:28,880 --> 00:44:30,680
Speaker 3: He's like, and then one of their guys blows up

846
00:44:30,719 --> 00:44:33,040
Speaker 3: trying to blow up the tank. It's like, you know,

847
00:44:33,560 --> 00:44:36,000
Speaker 3: they have to do these crazy things. And I'm not

848
00:44:36,120 --> 00:44:38,520
Speaker 3: saying one way or the other. I think war is bad.

849
00:44:39,120 --> 00:44:41,560
Speaker 3: I understand to train for war and be ready to

850
00:44:42,040 --> 00:44:45,120
Speaker 3: handle it if it happens, But are you I asked

851
00:44:45,160 --> 00:44:46,680
Speaker 3: my friend the other day, I said, are you ready

852
00:44:46,719 --> 00:44:49,839
Speaker 3: for a hypersonic missile to blow up the Quickie mart

853
00:44:49,880 --> 00:44:52,200
Speaker 3: across the street while we're getting a oil change. Like

854
00:44:52,320 --> 00:44:54,080
Speaker 3: that was a real conversation, I said to him, because

855
00:44:54,080 --> 00:44:55,960
Speaker 3: he's like this, that, and the other with Ukraine and

856
00:44:56,040 --> 00:44:57,960
Speaker 3: they know I do these shows and they want to

857
00:44:57,960 --> 00:44:59,840
Speaker 3: get into my brain. And I'm like, are you ready

858
00:45:00,600 --> 00:45:02,799
Speaker 3: to go pick up your neighbor's daughter who's blown into

859
00:45:02,840 --> 00:45:06,239
Speaker 3: your yard because they just blew up your house out

860
00:45:06,280 --> 00:45:09,640
Speaker 3: of what nowhere all of a sudden, suppoom booms a boom?

861
00:45:09,719 --> 00:45:11,000
Speaker 3: Then what then?

862
00:45:11,239 --> 00:45:13,960
Speaker 4: What? Then? Then you see the true? Cause you see

863
00:45:13,960 --> 00:45:14,279
Speaker 4: the true?

864
00:45:14,320 --> 00:45:17,279
Speaker 3: Are you not an insurgent now to them? Because now

865
00:45:17,400 --> 00:45:19,720
Speaker 3: you live here and we there, you're being invaded?

866
00:45:19,760 --> 00:45:20,880
Speaker 2: What does that make me?

867
00:45:21,920 --> 00:45:23,759
Speaker 3: Right? If I'm moving house to house because I know

868
00:45:23,840 --> 00:45:27,279
Speaker 3: my neighborhood, you damn right, Yeah, I'm an insurgent now,

869
00:45:27,360 --> 00:45:29,000
Speaker 3: Oh I live here, dude, this is my house. You

870
00:45:29,080 --> 00:45:32,520
Speaker 3: call me an insurgent because you attacked me, you came

871
00:45:32,760 --> 00:45:36,320
Speaker 3: to me. If I go to you, I'm an invader.

872
00:45:36,920 --> 00:45:40,960
Speaker 4: Right, if I we'd kill people from the sky. We're

873
00:45:41,040 --> 00:45:45,279
Speaker 4: not terrorists, right right? Yeah? Right?

874
00:45:46,320 --> 00:45:48,680
Speaker 3: And I'm not. Hey, you know the world needs to

875
00:45:48,760 --> 00:45:50,520
Speaker 3: just realize that's the way it is. Like we all

876
00:45:50,600 --> 00:45:54,840
Speaker 3: believe the same blood. You know, we all come from aliens.

877
00:45:58,239 --> 00:45:58,759
Speaker 3: What do you do?

878
00:45:59,600 --> 00:46:02,440
Speaker 4: What do you about this Dave Grush guy? You hear

879
00:46:02,440 --> 00:46:07,320
Speaker 4: about him, maybe David Grush, he's uh, he went he

880
00:46:07,400 --> 00:46:10,360
Speaker 4: went to Congress and said that we have possession of

881
00:46:10,800 --> 00:46:15,920
Speaker 4: alien spacecraft. So this guy, this knucklehead, this chuckle, but

882
00:46:16,520 --> 00:46:21,239
Speaker 4: he's he's he's like the high high echelons right of

883
00:46:21,400 --> 00:46:26,720
Speaker 4: the intelligence apparatus. And it gives you such a perfect

884
00:46:26,960 --> 00:46:31,680
Speaker 4: picture of how incompetent these guys are. I don't know

885
00:46:31,760 --> 00:46:34,840
Speaker 4: what you believe about aliens, but I can tell you

886
00:46:34,960 --> 00:46:39,879
Speaker 4: from my experience with the intelligence community is, uh, they're

887
00:46:39,920 --> 00:46:43,799
Speaker 4: not very intelligent. And uh, they're very global and they

888
00:46:43,960 --> 00:46:47,279
Speaker 4: like they like hoarding secrets or like knowing. They kind

889
00:46:47,320 --> 00:46:50,600
Speaker 4: of share, like they're gossiping about what they know that

890
00:46:51,040 --> 00:46:55,160
Speaker 4: someone else doesn't know. And yeah, it's just funny man

891
00:46:55,239 --> 00:46:59,200
Speaker 4: that that that came out like he like somebody convinced

892
00:46:59,280 --> 00:47:03,240
Speaker 4: him that they were, you know, the government had alien

893
00:47:03,280 --> 00:47:07,160
Speaker 4: spacecraft and he bought it so hard without any of it,

894
00:47:07,239 --> 00:47:10,239
Speaker 4: you never saw any of it. Just someone someone told

895
00:47:10,320 --> 00:47:12,719
Speaker 4: him and he was like, I fuck it, I'm going

896
00:47:12,800 --> 00:47:13,880
Speaker 4: to Congress and I'm.

897
00:47:14,840 --> 00:47:16,960
Speaker 3: I'm gonna say, yeah, you know, it's like it's like

898
00:47:17,320 --> 00:47:19,880
Speaker 3: I live by Hill Air Force Space and I always

899
00:47:19,880 --> 00:47:22,279
Speaker 3: see the F thirty fives flying over, and I'll take

900
00:47:22,880 --> 00:47:25,600
Speaker 3: a photo for Instagram a story, and I always add

901
00:47:25,719 --> 00:47:30,440
Speaker 3: an alien spacecraft chasing it. Okay, it's just who I am, right,

902
00:47:31,000 --> 00:47:32,680
Speaker 3: I'm just like, you know, do you not get it?

903
00:47:33,160 --> 00:47:36,320
Speaker 3: Like the technology, Like we go from flying popsicle sticks

904
00:47:36,360 --> 00:47:40,839
Speaker 3: at Kitty Hawk in nineteen twenties whatnot to the SR

905
00:47:40,960 --> 00:47:44,520
Speaker 3: seventy one in the atmosphere in nineteen forties. Yeah, so

906
00:47:44,680 --> 00:47:46,759
Speaker 3: in twenty some years, you're gonna tell me that we

907
00:47:46,840 --> 00:47:50,520
Speaker 3: go from popsicle sticks to nuclear energy of sorts?

908
00:47:51,280 --> 00:47:54,360
Speaker 4: Well, when was the popsicle stick? Wasn't that the eighteen hundreds?

909
00:47:54,920 --> 00:47:58,560
Speaker 3: No, Kitty Hawk was nineteen Let me see here, Let's

910
00:47:58,560 --> 00:48:01,080
Speaker 3: get people to correct us on the comments I say

911
00:48:01,160 --> 00:48:09,200
Speaker 3: it was like before Christ. Prove me wrong. I think

912
00:48:09,320 --> 00:48:10,080
Speaker 3: Kitty Hawk was.

913
00:48:10,200 --> 00:48:13,839
Speaker 2: Let me look real, Kitty Hawk is where the right

914
00:48:13,880 --> 00:48:15,520
Speaker 2: Brothers flight?

915
00:48:16,120 --> 00:48:16,319
Speaker 4: Yeah?

916
00:48:16,360 --> 00:48:19,080
Speaker 3: Yeah, with the first aircraft that actually flew for like

917
00:48:19,160 --> 00:48:22,040
Speaker 3: one hundred yards and it was made out of it?

918
00:48:22,200 --> 00:48:26,800
Speaker 3: Was it was nineteen hundred?

919
00:48:26,880 --> 00:48:27,040
Speaker 4: Yeah?

920
00:48:27,120 --> 00:48:31,000
Speaker 3: Yeah, I'll find it real quick here. Uh, kitty. This

921
00:48:31,160 --> 00:48:33,040
Speaker 3: might just get you a snowboard pass if I'm wrong. Okay,

922
00:48:34,400 --> 00:48:38,600
Speaker 3: Kitty Hawk, They're probably gonna tell me uss Kitty Hawk. Hello,

923
00:48:38,760 --> 00:48:49,360
Speaker 3: Kitty Dolls was right, brothers, because first flight, let's go

924
00:48:49,480 --> 00:48:54,560
Speaker 3: with that. Nineteen oh three December seventeenth. Wilbur and Orville

925
00:48:54,600 --> 00:48:57,000
Speaker 3: Wright spent four years of research and development to create

926
00:48:57,040 --> 00:48:59,960
Speaker 3: the first successful powered airplane, the nineteen oh three right Flight.

927
00:49:00,560 --> 00:49:03,200
Speaker 3: It flew the It flew at Kitty Hawk, North Carolina,

928
00:49:03,360 --> 00:49:06,560
Speaker 3: on December seventeenth, nineteen oh three, with the Orville at

929
00:49:06,600 --> 00:49:07,239
Speaker 3: the controls.

930
00:49:08,120 --> 00:49:11,120
Speaker 2: So the first flight flew twelve seconds, all right.

931
00:49:11,920 --> 00:49:14,160
Speaker 3: Now let's go from that. Let's go from that to

932
00:49:14,200 --> 00:49:16,120
Speaker 3: the SR seventy one and the forties. Okay, so let's

933
00:49:16,120 --> 00:49:19,720
Speaker 3: talk forty years of technology now has increased from flying

934
00:49:20,440 --> 00:49:24,920
Speaker 3: a paper airplane too, yep, aliens bro. The F sixteen

935
00:49:24,920 --> 00:49:27,840
Speaker 3: has been around since nineteen seventies. Yeah, it's still in

936
00:49:28,040 --> 00:49:29,840
Speaker 3: service today. But now we got the thirty five. And

937
00:49:29,880 --> 00:49:31,200
Speaker 3: when I was in the Air Force, it was the

938
00:49:31,360 --> 00:49:35,360
Speaker 3: y F twenty two, which was still a test aircraft.

939
00:49:35,440 --> 00:49:38,080
Speaker 3: But now the F twenty two Raptor has been surpassed

940
00:49:38,120 --> 00:49:40,240
Speaker 3: by the thirty five. So I mean you've got to wonder.

941
00:49:40,480 --> 00:49:44,520
Speaker 4: I think whether the government has an incentive in people

942
00:49:44,719 --> 00:49:50,560
Speaker 4: believing that they possessed alien technology, because if the government

943
00:49:51,280 --> 00:49:55,319
Speaker 4: what I call aliens, like a super intelligent being, right,

944
00:49:55,480 --> 00:49:58,759
Speaker 4: they could travel here, I would call that. I call

945
00:49:58,880 --> 00:50:05,600
Speaker 4: aliens basically like gods for atheists. Right. Atheists don't believe

946
00:50:05,640 --> 00:50:08,120
Speaker 4: in the old old man, the beer in the sky, right, No,

947
00:50:08,320 --> 00:50:12,560
Speaker 4: they believe in a super intelligent life form that can

948
00:50:12,880 --> 00:50:15,759
Speaker 4: travel here and do whatever they want to us and

949
00:50:16,440 --> 00:50:19,960
Speaker 4: maybe invade our consciousness and all this shit. Right, And

950
00:50:20,680 --> 00:50:25,000
Speaker 4: if the government is in possession of that kind of technology,

951
00:50:26,000 --> 00:50:28,640
Speaker 4: by the facto, the government kind of becomes a form

952
00:50:28,719 --> 00:50:32,200
Speaker 4: of God itself. So I want I think, I think

953
00:50:32,280 --> 00:50:35,799
Speaker 4: the government has an incentive in us believing that they

954
00:50:35,920 --> 00:50:39,160
Speaker 4: have alien shit they have, but they don't. I don't

955
00:50:39,160 --> 00:50:41,400
Speaker 4: believe they do personally, but I think they do have

956
00:50:41,480 --> 00:50:45,640
Speaker 4: an incentive. And actually in the eighties, in the late

957
00:50:45,760 --> 00:50:49,719
Speaker 4: seventies and the eighties, they infiltrated the UFO community and

958
00:50:49,800 --> 00:50:54,040
Speaker 4: started spreading misinformation and saying because these guys were these

959
00:50:54,160 --> 00:50:57,720
Speaker 4: like mob bizarre type guys were filming outside the basis

960
00:50:58,320 --> 00:51:01,799
Speaker 4: and they were just filming like tops you good technology

961
00:51:02,239 --> 00:51:03,399
Speaker 4: it wasn't alien ship.

962
00:51:03,480 --> 00:51:07,120
Speaker 3: It was like, like it is a UFO because unidentified

963
00:51:07,160 --> 00:51:08,840
Speaker 3: flying object because you don't know what it is and

964
00:51:08,960 --> 00:51:10,600
Speaker 3: it's not you know, you don't know its name, so

965
00:51:10,640 --> 00:51:13,000
Speaker 3: it does fall into that classification. But is it Is

966
00:51:13,040 --> 00:51:16,960
Speaker 3: it the lensed eyeball style aliens that come down and

967
00:51:17,320 --> 00:51:21,000
Speaker 3: just can save humanity or destroy it? Is it Prometheus R?

968
00:51:21,200 --> 00:51:21,640
Speaker 4: Exactly?

969
00:51:22,360 --> 00:51:23,200
Speaker 3: I love that movie.

970
00:51:23,360 --> 00:51:26,360
Speaker 4: Yeah, I love it. I know everyone hates it, but

971
00:51:26,400 --> 00:51:26,719
Speaker 4: I love that.

972
00:51:27,880 --> 00:51:28,600
Speaker 3: I love that movie.

973
00:51:28,719 --> 00:51:30,720
Speaker 2: I find that it's like, you know, I love when.

974
00:51:30,680 --> 00:51:34,640
Speaker 4: The dude just rips off the creator.

975
00:51:34,719 --> 00:51:38,040
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, yeah, he's like yeah, He's like, I think

976
00:51:38,080 --> 00:51:42,239
Speaker 3: I can talk to him. I'm like, bro, well, David, no,

977
00:51:44,160 --> 00:51:45,840
Speaker 3: But it just goes to tell me. It just shows

978
00:51:45,880 --> 00:51:49,880
Speaker 3: that that they're mammals, because aliens are mammals. You know that,

979
00:51:50,120 --> 00:51:53,160
Speaker 3: you realize it because they how they She is the

980
00:51:53,239 --> 00:51:56,800
Speaker 3: mother of aliens. She mothered it and he gave it

981
00:51:56,880 --> 00:51:58,920
Speaker 3: to her and it came out of her and it's

982
00:51:58,920 --> 00:52:02,080
Speaker 3: still alive. And then aliens comes from Prometheus. Oh man,

983
00:52:03,280 --> 00:52:05,040
Speaker 3: Now are those the aliens people think about?

984
00:52:05,840 --> 00:52:06,000
Speaker 4: You know?

985
00:52:07,480 --> 00:52:10,680
Speaker 3: If I DeLong is thinking about and blink, you know,

986
00:52:12,600 --> 00:52:14,319
Speaker 3: aliens are real, you know, I got to get Tom

987
00:52:14,440 --> 00:52:16,400
Speaker 3: a shout out in here. He just played a show

988
00:52:16,440 --> 00:52:17,440
Speaker 3: last night in Vegas?

989
00:52:18,280 --> 00:52:23,759
Speaker 4: Yeah, Like why is he spearheading? Though? Why is blink

990
00:52:23,800 --> 00:52:27,520
Speaker 4: when I need to like spearheading? This whole movement is crazy.

991
00:52:28,080 --> 00:52:31,160
Speaker 4: You know, if I to me, it would seem a

992
00:52:31,280 --> 00:52:35,680
Speaker 4: super intelligent life form wouldn't have to physically travel here.

993
00:52:36,239 --> 00:52:40,880
Speaker 4: They could just send particles that would be able to

994
00:52:40,960 --> 00:52:42,600
Speaker 4: We wouldn't be able to see it, but they could

995
00:52:42,640 --> 00:52:45,799
Speaker 4: be watching us right in the air if they would

996
00:52:45,800 --> 00:52:48,399
Speaker 4: have some form like a or like a crystal ball,

997
00:52:49,200 --> 00:52:51,560
Speaker 4: Like why would they need to come all the way

998
00:52:51,600 --> 00:52:55,400
Speaker 4: over here? And then on top of that crash like

999
00:52:55,520 --> 00:52:58,160
Speaker 4: they make it, you know, they make it billions billions

1000
00:52:58,200 --> 00:52:59,279
Speaker 4: of light years right.

1001
00:53:00,800 --> 00:53:01,600
Speaker 2: To crash on Earth.

1002
00:53:01,680 --> 00:53:04,640
Speaker 4: And then second I got stuck in the second gear.

1003
00:53:05,120 --> 00:53:09,280
Speaker 3: And they you know, stop stop stop.

1004
00:53:09,360 --> 00:53:11,280
Speaker 2: I want to like him it in black stop stop stop.

1005
00:53:11,280 --> 00:53:12,640
Speaker 2: I want to Vincent.

1006
00:53:13,120 --> 00:53:16,479
Speaker 3: I want to know he needs sugar, sugar water.

1007
00:53:17,520 --> 00:53:19,560
Speaker 2: He crashes plane here again, jay.

1008
00:53:21,000 --> 00:53:22,920
Speaker 3: Man, sugar.

1009
00:53:24,160 --> 00:53:25,320
Speaker 2: It's around Orion.

1010
00:53:25,760 --> 00:53:31,920
Speaker 3: Okay, well listen, Miles, Miles, all right, bro, I've had

1011
00:53:31,960 --> 00:53:33,719
Speaker 3: you on here for an hour and I really have

1012
00:53:33,840 --> 00:53:36,360
Speaker 3: appreciated it, and I'm sure my listener, my one listener,

1013
00:53:36,480 --> 00:53:40,480
Speaker 3: So thank you for talking to me and them just one.

1014
00:53:40,560 --> 00:53:42,600
Speaker 3: That's all I ever think of is just the person listening.

1015
00:53:42,680 --> 00:53:44,759
Speaker 3: So thank you to you, and thank you to buying

1016
00:53:44,800 --> 00:53:46,320
Speaker 3: all my merch to that one listener.

1017
00:53:46,719 --> 00:53:47,520
Speaker 4: There's really only.

1018
00:53:48,960 --> 00:53:52,960
Speaker 3: Yeah, just one, just and if not, hey, hey, hey,

1019
00:53:53,880 --> 00:53:56,439
Speaker 3: thank you. Really you know that's the old radio thought,

1020
00:53:56,480 --> 00:53:58,680
Speaker 3: you know, Miles, is that back in the day when

1021
00:53:58,719 --> 00:54:02,760
Speaker 3: you had no digital radio, you stayed on the static

1022
00:54:02,920 --> 00:54:05,200
Speaker 3: dial because it took forever to find it. And that's

1023
00:54:05,239 --> 00:54:07,800
Speaker 3: why advertising worked so well, because they'd always stay on

1024
00:54:07,840 --> 00:54:10,600
Speaker 3: that station, always hear the same ad over and over again.

1025
00:54:10,880 --> 00:54:12,719
Speaker 3: Now today you have this dial that can just push

1026
00:54:12,760 --> 00:54:16,360
Speaker 3: into fifty different stations. So what I'm getting at is

1027
00:54:17,000 --> 00:54:18,680
Speaker 3: you always want to just talk to the listeners. If

1028
00:54:18,680 --> 00:54:21,080
Speaker 3: it's not one person that just has you tuned in.

1029
00:54:21,600 --> 00:54:24,080
Speaker 4: I hope so I hope more people listen to it.

1030
00:54:24,520 --> 00:54:25,839
Speaker 3: Oh yeah, you need to be in New York Times

1031
00:54:25,920 --> 00:54:28,319
Speaker 3: best Selling often to help you get there. That one

1032
00:54:28,400 --> 00:54:30,400
Speaker 3: person might just buy all your books, okay, And you

1033
00:54:30,480 --> 00:54:33,279
Speaker 3: never know if if Miles is at the airport and

1034
00:54:33,400 --> 00:54:35,759
Speaker 3: he's signing a book, you never know if it's there,

1035
00:54:35,880 --> 00:54:36,680
Speaker 3: So go check it out.

1036
00:54:36,760 --> 00:54:41,000
Speaker 4: We're telling people to buy ten copies each and then

1037
00:54:41,160 --> 00:54:43,680
Speaker 4: sell them to your friends and agra profit.

1038
00:54:43,440 --> 00:54:48,040
Speaker 3: And oh done, done, branch that out, dude. And here

1039
00:54:48,080 --> 00:54:50,040
Speaker 3: in Utah we love a good old You know, how

1040
00:54:50,080 --> 00:54:52,960
Speaker 3: can I sell to my neighbor? So get going on

1041
00:54:53,080 --> 00:54:56,399
Speaker 3: that door to door back again, Miles, you've been great.

1042
00:54:56,440 --> 00:54:59,280
Speaker 3: I just want to say thank you for your service

1043
00:54:59,360 --> 00:55:02,400
Speaker 3: to the country. You know, you chose to join, you

1044
00:55:02,480 --> 00:55:04,919
Speaker 3: weren't forced, So thanks for that. Thanks for talking about

1045
00:55:04,960 --> 00:55:07,439
Speaker 3: the VA, thanks for talking about yourself as a young

1046
00:55:07,520 --> 00:55:10,520
Speaker 3: man growing up. And you know, no one ever pays

1047
00:55:10,560 --> 00:55:12,560
Speaker 3: me to say go join the military. But if you're

1048
00:55:12,600 --> 00:55:14,319
Speaker 3: on the fence and you're out there and you're thinking

1049
00:55:14,320 --> 00:55:15,520
Speaker 3: about it and you're on a scale of one to

1050
00:55:15,600 --> 00:55:19,040
Speaker 3: ten and possibly joining, just see what happens. Go talk

1051
00:55:19,080 --> 00:55:21,200
Speaker 3: to them, he says. No, I'm just saying you never

1052
00:55:21,239 --> 00:55:25,160
Speaker 3: know until you try. And with that, this is rad

1053
00:55:25,280 --> 00:55:28,960
Speaker 3: said on behalf of Miles. Please, thank you, go mind.

1054
00:55:29,320 --> 00:55:29,880
Speaker 3: You're welcome.

1055
00:55:29,960 --> 00:55:30,240
Speaker 4: Miles.

1056
00:55:30,520 --> 00:55:36,200
Speaker 1: All right, cheers, you've been listening to your self.

1057
00:55:36,360 --> 00:55:36,560
Speaker 4: Rep.

1058
00:55:36,680 --> 00:55:37,040
Speaker 1: Radia