WEBVTT - Episode 16: Intro To The Twilight Zone 0:00:09.600 --> 0:00:13.440 How's it going, everybody? Welcome to another episode of Narratives 0:00:13.520 --> 0:00:16.840 and I'm if you way. It's in acrost from Danny 0:00:16.880 --> 0:00:19.520 Fernandez and we are joined up top by Mellow Brown, 0:00:19.560 --> 0:00:22.400 who's a writer and tech editor at fanbros dot com 0:00:22.440 --> 0:00:26.880 and also a writer on American Gods. How's it going everyone? Hey, 0:00:27.320 --> 0:00:30.760 and you are also a listener of the show. Yes, wow, 0:00:31.000 --> 0:00:32.560 Like I'm actually you know that's having my feet to 0:00:32.600 --> 0:00:35.599 the theme song now, I love it. I know we've 0:00:35.600 --> 0:00:37.840 had a couple of people ask us about the theme song. 0:00:38.000 --> 0:00:40.000 I don't know if they can get it somewhere. I 0:00:40.000 --> 0:00:42.320 mean there's still people who were asking me what the 0:00:42.360 --> 0:00:46.440 song is for World Cup date and Anna never found out. 0:00:46.840 --> 0:00:50.199 And I don't think anyone knows because I've asked Miles 0:00:50.200 --> 0:00:52.640 and he kind of brushed it off. Well, both of 0:00:52.640 --> 0:00:56.680 our our artwork and our our yeah, our song were 0:00:56.680 --> 0:00:59.160 created in house by someone at how Stuff Works. I 0:00:59.160 --> 0:01:02.280 imagine in Atlanta, in there, in there big I haven't 0:01:02.280 --> 0:01:04.320 been over there, but I am one day if he 0:01:04.840 --> 0:01:06.560 one day, I'll make it out there. Yeah, one day 0:01:06.640 --> 0:01:09.479 we'll get flown out there at the Big House House 0:01:09.520 --> 0:01:17.319 Stuff Works headquarters. For some reason, that's true. I'd probably 0:01:17.319 --> 0:01:19.480 spend a month. I'd probably spend a month in Atlanta. 0:01:19.520 --> 0:01:22.399 I phone out there. Um, today we are talking about 0:01:22.440 --> 0:01:27.000 the Twilight Zone. This is a series that is extremely 0:01:27.040 --> 0:01:28.760 near and dear to my heart. But Melo, did you 0:01:28.800 --> 0:01:31.000 grow up with it? Um? Actually, yes, what was it? 0:01:31.400 --> 0:01:33.920 I've been a long time watcher. My dad got me 0:01:33.959 --> 0:01:37.600 into it and um allowed like the social political issues 0:01:37.720 --> 0:01:42.400 hit immediately along with my nightmares. True true, Um, off 0:01:42.400 --> 0:01:43.679 the top of your head, what would you say is 0:01:43.680 --> 0:01:48.440 like your favorite episode? I would definitely say It's a 0:01:48.480 --> 0:01:52.040 good Life. Oh yeah, like that one is terrifying. What 0:01:52.120 --> 0:01:55.960 was currently? Yea currently that? Um, yes, so we'll get 0:01:56.000 --> 0:01:57.880 into it. But yeah, It's a good Life is often 0:01:57.960 --> 0:02:00.680 referenced because of Donald Trump. I've seen a lot of 0:02:00.720 --> 0:02:03.920 political cartoons that have referenced him and the and the 0:02:03.960 --> 0:02:07.200 Little Boy. Yeah, like you said, we'll get into a 0:02:07.280 --> 0:02:09.040 bit later. But there's a sequel to that. It makes 0:02:09.040 --> 0:02:13.360 it even worse. Really is it in their original series? 0:02:13.600 --> 0:02:18.040 It is in uh the two thousand two. Okay, I 0:02:18.080 --> 0:02:21.680 don't always count the like there was one. Yeah, they 0:02:21.720 --> 0:02:23.560 we'll get into it, but I don't always count I 0:02:23.600 --> 0:02:26.400 count the original Star Original Star Wars. I get the 0:02:26.440 --> 0:02:32.200 original Star Wars big you have that whole just petition 0:02:32.320 --> 0:02:37.760 to remake the news up and I read, which is 0:02:37.800 --> 0:02:42.720 also great because I love that myself subconscious went there. 0:02:42.919 --> 0:02:45.520 I love the New Star Wars. I actually do very 0:02:45.600 --> 0:02:47.800 much love the New Star Wars um because I get 0:02:47.840 --> 0:02:50.960 to see more people, more women and people of color 0:02:51.880 --> 0:02:55.040 degree and this Villa, the villain of that story for 0:02:55.040 --> 0:02:59.000 the sequel, actually is the epitome of a New Star Wars. 0:02:59.320 --> 0:03:07.280 Uh if you if they prefer to call themselves up? Um? Yeah, 0:03:07.320 --> 0:03:11.640 so so Twilight Zone, Um yeah. I thought we'd kick 0:03:11.680 --> 0:03:13.519 it off with talking just a little bit about Rod 0:03:13.560 --> 0:03:17.240 Sterling's history, because I actually found out before I even 0:03:17.480 --> 0:03:22.760 we cranked out this early additional research to the topic. 0:03:23.400 --> 0:03:28.000 I saw this in a Twitter threat where he has 0:03:28.040 --> 0:03:30.560 this quote where Danny was shaking her head because she 0:03:30.600 --> 0:03:34.080 remembers it, where he was like, I don't care. I 0:03:34.080 --> 0:03:35.960 think it was something along the lines if I don't 0:03:35.960 --> 0:03:38.520 care what it is, I just want my writing remembered 0:03:39.040 --> 0:03:42.960 and to last longer than me, And which is dope 0:03:43.000 --> 0:03:46.200 because it is and it's not only remembered, but it's impactful. 0:03:47.080 --> 0:03:50.400 And then someone went on and talked about kind of 0:03:50.440 --> 0:03:52.920 the history of Rosterling, about how he was a war 0:03:53.040 --> 0:03:56.520 vet and how he created Twilight Zone because he wasn't 0:03:56.560 --> 0:04:00.200 allowed to kind of talk about those social issue is 0:04:00.280 --> 0:04:03.720 at the time just so openly. So he did it 0:04:04.320 --> 0:04:09.080 deceptively through the Twilight Zone. And and that's why I think, uh, 0:04:09.440 --> 0:04:12.160 and not to be this guy. Even though I like 0:04:12.360 --> 0:04:15.640 all the Black Mirrors episodes, I like them all, but 0:04:15.720 --> 0:04:18.159 I feel like the earlier ones are stronger because the 0:04:18.200 --> 0:04:22.200 earlier ones are kind of really making that like, you know, technology, 0:04:22.279 --> 0:04:24.560 we're letting it get ahead of us point, and I 0:04:24.600 --> 0:04:26.520 feel like the later ones is more just kind of 0:04:26.560 --> 0:04:29.359 like I don't want to, you know, undercut a lot 0:04:29.440 --> 0:04:31.479 of the stories, but you know, because there are some 0:04:31.600 --> 0:04:35.000 that really are very like current. But I feel like 0:04:35.040 --> 0:04:37.480 the newer ones are more just kind of adding on, 0:04:37.800 --> 0:04:40.640 just kind of exploring the idea of the world and 0:04:41.440 --> 0:04:44.560 story building that they've kind of um set up. Where 0:04:44.560 --> 0:04:47.320 those first ones, like it really did feel like Booker 0:04:47.440 --> 0:04:52.080 was like saying something to us funny enough. Booker normally 0:04:52.080 --> 0:04:55.479 a comedian, Ron Sterling actually had a comedy background. But 0:04:55.760 --> 0:04:57.919 I don't want to get too ahead of myself. I 0:04:57.960 --> 0:05:02.040 want to start just with the the War because it's 0:05:02.160 --> 0:05:05.680 very interesting. It's it's almost like you know when you 0:05:05.720 --> 0:05:09.640 read some people's biographies and you're like, oh, this is 0:05:09.880 --> 0:05:11.680 this is going to be a good movie one day. 0:05:11.960 --> 0:05:14.680 I feel like Rod Serling has one of those. Yeah, 0:05:14.960 --> 0:05:17.160 that's kind of fascinating. I guess he hasn't. No one 0:05:17.200 --> 0:05:20.599 has played him yet, like and officially in a huge film. 0:05:20.760 --> 0:05:25.360 I agree. He is so instrumental. I feel like in um, 0:05:25.440 --> 0:05:28.320 not only science fiction, but just yeah, I know that 0:05:28.320 --> 0:05:30.479 he gets compared Black Mirror gets compared a lot to 0:05:30.480 --> 0:05:32.839 Twilight Zone, and that's accurate. And then and of course 0:05:32.880 --> 0:05:35.440 we're gonna also visit the fact that Jordan Peel is 0:05:35.480 --> 0:05:38.480 now making which I think he's perfect for. It is 0:05:38.480 --> 0:05:41.280 going to be on the CBS platform. Yeah, because like 0:05:41.560 --> 0:05:45.200 get Out would have been the perfect like episode of 0:05:45.279 --> 0:05:50.320 Twilight Zone in the same like cutting just um, what's 0:05:50.320 --> 0:05:54.200 the word I'm looking for criticism? What I was gonna 0:05:54.240 --> 0:05:57.159 say is actually, Durassic Park fits a lot people forget, 0:05:57.160 --> 0:05:59.440 but that fits a lot of like, yeah, the original 0:05:59.480 --> 0:06:02.320 Drastic Ark well and I would say Drastic the last one, 0:06:02.400 --> 0:06:05.880 Durassic World, Falling Kingdom, um where they start to kind 0:06:05.920 --> 0:06:09.040 of or or they hint at using dinosaurs as weapons. 0:06:09.520 --> 0:06:11.920 That to me is also kind of like what would 0:06:11.920 --> 0:06:14.400 we do with this technology? Um, where it could also 0:06:14.440 --> 0:06:16.800 be like a Black Mirror episode. But yeah, Rodster as 0:06:16.800 --> 0:06:19.839 far as me, like I grew up with the Twilight 0:06:19.920 --> 0:06:25.440 Zone marathons, my parents would party and essentially leave us alone. 0:06:26.400 --> 0:06:28.800 On New Year's Eve, we watched on Sci Fi my 0:06:28.839 --> 0:06:31.840 brothers and I. I now, if he has been to 0:06:31.920 --> 0:06:34.040 my place, Melo, you are welcome to come to my place. 0:06:34.080 --> 0:06:36.480 I have a Twilight Zone wall um which I will 0:06:36.480 --> 0:06:40.880 tweet with different artwork and original artwork that's signed by artists. 0:06:40.880 --> 0:06:43.919 I have rod Sterling up there. I have um many 0:06:43.960 --> 0:06:47.080 of the episodes, including one of the most famous ones, 0:06:47.120 --> 0:06:50.120 which is I have the Beholder. But also I had 0:06:50.160 --> 0:06:52.839 an artist. Uh. A lot of the other ones don't 0:06:52.880 --> 0:06:54.839 have as much artwork, so I commission an artist to 0:06:54.880 --> 0:06:58.320 do my favorite. Well, it changes as the years go on, 0:06:58.400 --> 0:07:00.880 but my favorite is The Howling Man is one of 0:07:00.880 --> 0:07:04.320 my absolute favorite episodes. Uh. And also Satan's kind of hot. 0:07:04.400 --> 0:07:06.560 He's kind of hot in it, ah he is, he 0:07:06.640 --> 0:07:09.440 looks good. Um. So yeah, so let's talk about the 0:07:09.480 --> 0:07:13.160 history of rod Serling. Yeah, I was I just wanted 0:07:13.200 --> 0:07:16.480 to start in high school. He funny enough, he's always 0:07:16.480 --> 0:07:19.000 been a writer. Not funny, I mean just I guess 0:07:19.600 --> 0:07:23.880 as expected. Always he was writing for the school newspaper 0:07:23.880 --> 0:07:25.880 and he was kind of like amped up about World 0:07:25.880 --> 0:07:29.120 War Two and he was kind of encouraging other students 0:07:29.120 --> 0:07:32.440 to enlist. And he actually wanted to enlist before he graduated. 0:07:32.720 --> 0:07:36.120 But then it was actually his Civics teacher, Gus Youngstrom, 0:07:36.160 --> 0:07:39.160 who said war is a temporary thing. It ends an 0:07:39.320 --> 0:07:42.280 education doesn't. Without your degree, where will you be after 0:07:42.320 --> 0:07:46.000 the war. So he actually finished school, graduated, and as 0:07:46.000 --> 0:07:50.560 soon as school ended, enlisted. Now there's a fun detail 0:07:50.880 --> 0:07:56.040 in his enlistment that kind of really I think sets 0:07:56.160 --> 0:08:00.240 up who Rod Serling is. So originally he was sent 0:08:00.360 --> 0:08:03.200 to um California, which man, he was going to fight 0:08:03.200 --> 0:08:07.280 the Japanese instead of you know, the the Germans, and 0:08:07.440 --> 0:08:10.760 he was actually angry about it because he wanted to 0:08:10.840 --> 0:08:15.200 fight Hitler and so so he was like, forget the Japanese, 0:08:15.240 --> 0:08:19.400 I need to fight this guy, this horrible, bigoted, racist guy, 0:08:19.520 --> 0:08:21.520 Like that's who he wanted. And I feel like that 0:08:21.600 --> 0:08:24.120 kind of set the tone for his life. Eventually, he 0:08:24.560 --> 0:08:27.720 actually grown bitter about the war because it seemed like 0:08:27.760 --> 0:08:29.880 such a young thing to do, to be like, oh, 0:08:29.920 --> 0:08:32.319 I'm gonna go join the army, I'm gonna fight the 0:08:32.360 --> 0:08:34.600 bad guys. But he found out that, you know, he 0:08:34.679 --> 0:08:36.600 was seeing death every day. And then there were a 0:08:36.600 --> 0:08:39.880 lot of freak accidents. There was this huge freak accident, 0:08:40.120 --> 0:08:44.160 like there was there was a Jewish private name Melvin Levy, 0:08:44.240 --> 0:08:47.720 and Levy was delivering a comic monologue for the platoon 0:08:47.800 --> 0:08:50.280 as it as like he was standing under a palm 0:08:50.320 --> 0:08:53.480 tree and a food crate was dropped from a plane 0:08:53.480 --> 0:08:57.880 above and it decapitated him. And so Startling actually let 0:08:57.920 --> 0:09:00.400 the funeral services for Levy and placed the Star of 0:09:00.480 --> 0:09:03.599 David over his grave. So like, not only are you 0:09:03.640 --> 0:09:05.400 seeing the death of the war, but you're also seeing 0:09:05.480 --> 0:09:08.560 freak accidents like that. I can imagine that's not only 0:09:08.760 --> 0:09:11.280 kind of making you better towards the war, but that 0:09:11.480 --> 0:09:15.040 I feel like there's no way to not have this 0:09:15.160 --> 0:09:19.120 kind of morbid, kind of creative thought when you see 0:09:19.160 --> 0:09:21.800 things like that. You know, like, yeah, I would say 0:09:21.840 --> 0:09:24.920 also during the time, I think like you were saying too, 0:09:25.000 --> 0:09:29.000 that he was exposed to this idea of good versus evil. 0:09:29.160 --> 0:09:33.240 And then evil, not necessarily being evil or are we 0:09:33.360 --> 0:09:35.760 the evil? Actually? UM was something that I think that 0:09:35.760 --> 0:09:39.720 he tackled a lot pretty often, UM human nature as 0:09:39.800 --> 0:09:43.640 well as during this time. Just the amount of racism 0:09:43.760 --> 0:09:47.800 that he saw was definitely influential in his writing. And 0:09:47.840 --> 0:09:49.920 something that's really fascinating is we can we can link 0:09:50.000 --> 0:09:52.520 this in our footnotes. But I watched a YouTube video 0:09:52.559 --> 0:09:55.920 of him a couple of years ago. Uh, that sounded weird. 0:09:56.080 --> 0:09:57.719 It wasn't a YouTube video of him, It was him 0:09:57.720 --> 0:10:05.760 doing an interview that was help on YouTube. Okay, Uncle 0:10:05.880 --> 0:10:10.439 Rod doing an unboxing bid. Uh. Here can you imagine? 0:10:10.840 --> 0:10:14.640 Can you imagine him like doing having a selfie stick. 0:10:19.840 --> 0:10:23.360 I would love to see him nowadays, like his commentary 0:10:23.600 --> 0:10:25.920 on us UM would be so fast. His daughter is 0:10:25.920 --> 0:10:28.839 still alive. But what I was gonna say is I 0:10:28.920 --> 0:10:31.040 watched a video on YouTube of him where he was 0:10:31.080 --> 0:10:34.040 talking about censorship and how CBS had censored the writers 0:10:34.160 --> 0:10:36.319 and what they were trying to get away with in 0:10:36.360 --> 0:10:39.199 a lot of the times. Of course, his commentary was 0:10:39.400 --> 0:10:41.319 on on people of coming, the treatment of people of 0:10:41.360 --> 0:10:44.240 color in marginalized groups in general, where they would end 0:10:44.320 --> 0:10:47.319 up having to make them like an alien or you know, 0:10:47.400 --> 0:10:50.240 a monster or something for you to like feel for them, 0:10:50.320 --> 0:10:53.240 because they weren't they weren't able to make them people 0:10:53.280 --> 0:10:57.479 of color. And uh, he actually says that you eventually 0:10:57.679 --> 0:11:00.760 start to censor yourself where you're not even writing those stories. 0:11:01.080 --> 0:11:03.120 So if you already know it's it's kind of fascinating, 0:11:03.160 --> 0:11:05.679 like the brain will just start to center and and 0:11:05.840 --> 0:11:08.959 not even create those stories anymore. It was it's a 0:11:09.000 --> 0:11:12.679 really fascinating interview, and we'll link it. But yeah. He 0:11:13.080 --> 0:11:15.800 ended up volunteering at w NYC in New York as 0:11:15.840 --> 0:11:18.640 an actor and writer in the summer of nineteen forty six, 0:11:18.920 --> 0:11:20.520 and then the next year he worked at a station 0:11:20.559 --> 0:11:23.839 as a pain intern in Antioch work study program, and 0:11:23.920 --> 0:11:26.000 then took a couple of odd jobs and other radio 0:11:26.080 --> 0:11:28.520 stations in New York and Ohio. He said, I learned 0:11:28.720 --> 0:11:31.880 time writing for a medium that is measured in seconds. 0:11:32.480 --> 0:11:36.319 He also worked at the Antioch Broadcasting Systems Radio Workshop 0:11:36.679 --> 0:11:39.080 and was managing the station within a couple of years. 0:11:39.280 --> 0:11:42.160 Dan Len, He's moving up. He was a hard worker. 0:11:43.000 --> 0:11:44.880 He wrote and directed the programs and acted in them 0:11:44.960 --> 0:11:47.599 as well. Um, this is kind of fascinating. So I 0:11:47.640 --> 0:11:51.319 actually read the Twilight Zone companion highly recommended. There's a 0:11:51.320 --> 0:11:54.439 couple of different Twilight Zone books out there. Have you 0:11:54.520 --> 0:11:57.360 read that one? Mellow? Oh, I think you would like it. 0:11:57.960 --> 0:12:00.599 There's so much behind the scenes for each they go 0:12:00.760 --> 0:12:04.040 through each episode. So I actually got an inaudible and 0:12:04.080 --> 0:12:05.760 I would listen to it when I would clean and 0:12:06.120 --> 0:12:08.240 drive and stuff. But it's behind the scenes of like 0:12:08.800 --> 0:12:11.560 how did this get made, how this almost didn't get made? 0:12:11.880 --> 0:12:16.000 Other freak accidents that happened in the episodes. Uh. And 0:12:16.160 --> 0:12:19.360 also he didn't write all of them. Um. I know 0:12:19.400 --> 0:12:20.880 a lot of people think that he wrote all of them, 0:12:20.960 --> 0:12:23.679 but a lot of them were actually bought from Uh. 0:12:23.960 --> 0:12:27.000 They were teleplays or they might have been a short 0:12:27.040 --> 0:12:28.800 story in a magazine, and he would buy the rights 0:12:28.840 --> 0:12:32.200 to it and then adapt it. Uh, sometimes he would, 0:12:32.240 --> 0:12:34.040 and and then he had other people working on his 0:12:34.080 --> 0:12:36.120 team as well. And I canna imagine, like he wrote 0:12:36.160 --> 0:12:38.000 like an insane amount or believe at the age of 0:12:39.240 --> 0:12:42.320 hed written forty or forty nine episodes by that point, 0:12:42.360 --> 0:12:46.920 and he was like, Okay, I finally need another writer. Yeah, yeah, 0:12:47.120 --> 0:12:49.199 And well he just wanted to be a writer. I 0:12:49.240 --> 0:12:50.560 don't know if you know that, but they talked about 0:12:50.559 --> 0:12:52.160 that in the book where he just wanted to be 0:12:52.400 --> 0:12:55.200 a writer for the Twilight Zone and he didn't intend 0:12:55.280 --> 0:12:57.120 to be the host and looking at him like, you 0:12:57.240 --> 0:13:01.480 were the perfect host. You're like handsome, you're creepy, and 0:13:01.720 --> 0:13:04.160 you're like stern and have like a parental thing to you. 0:13:04.280 --> 0:13:08.520 But you're also like, you know, ominous and uh yeah, 0:13:08.600 --> 0:13:12.400 I think, And he has gorgeous, lush eyebrows. Um, so 0:13:13.160 --> 0:13:15.760 yeah he But originally he actually just wanted to be 0:13:15.760 --> 0:13:17.840 a writer, and he didn't because when he was hosting, 0:13:18.440 --> 0:13:20.400 he didn't have an acting like he didn't have as 0:13:20.480 --> 0:13:23.240 much time to dedicate to writing. Uh and I know 0:13:23.320 --> 0:13:27.760 that that bothered him. But hopping back into the past. 0:13:29.559 --> 0:13:32.200 While in college, Serling won his first accolade as a writer. 0:13:32.320 --> 0:13:35.960 The radio program Dr Christian is starting an annual scriptwriting 0:13:36.040 --> 0:13:39.360 contest eight years earlier. Thousands of scripts were sent in annually, 0:13:39.440 --> 0:13:42.680 but very few can actually be produced. So certainly want 0:13:42.679 --> 0:13:45.240 a trip to New York City and five hundred dollars 0:13:45.360 --> 0:13:48.040 for his radio script to live a dream. He and 0:13:48.160 --> 0:13:51.439 his new wife attended the awards broadcast on May eighteenth 0:13:51.520 --> 0:13:55.120 of nine, where he and the other winners were interviewed 0:13:55.200 --> 0:13:58.800 by the Star of Dr Christian Geene Herschel. One of 0:13:58.880 --> 0:14:01.520 the other winners that day was Earl Hamner Jr. Who 0:14:01.760 --> 0:14:05.480 also earned prizes in previous years, and later Hamner wrote 0:14:05.520 --> 0:14:09.040 scripts for Sterling's The Twilight Zone. Also, I just want 0:14:09.080 --> 0:14:13.400 to drop this fun fact. Five hundred dollars has the 0:14:13.480 --> 0:14:16.559 same buying power as five thousand, one hundred and fourteen 0:14:16.600 --> 0:14:21.520 dollars has today. It's something you came up. I mean, 0:14:21.600 --> 0:14:23.320 you get that much in college, you like. Hold up, 0:14:23.600 --> 0:14:26.800 that's true, that's true. Hold up, We're about to throw 0:14:27.440 --> 0:14:30.760 a dorm party. I would love to see Rod Sterling partying. 0:14:30.920 --> 0:14:34.160 Oh yeah, yeah. I wonder if any of those cigarettes, 0:14:34.160 --> 0:14:35.840 who's always so, if any of them were Blunt's ever 0:14:36.080 --> 0:14:39.120 You never know, uh so, Sterling said of his time 0:14:39.160 --> 0:14:41.920 as a staff writer for radio. From a writing point 0:14:41.960 --> 0:14:44.360 of view, radio ate up ideas that might have put 0:14:44.440 --> 0:14:47.360 food on the table for weeks at a future freelancing date. 0:14:47.520 --> 0:14:49.560 The minute you tie yourself down to a radio or 0:14:49.600 --> 0:14:52.480 TV station, you write around the clock, you rip out ideas. 0:14:52.560 --> 0:14:55.320 Many of them irreplaceable. They go on and consequently can 0:14:55.400 --> 0:14:57.640 never go on again. And they sold them for fifty 0:14:57.720 --> 0:15:01.160 dollars a week. Gosh and he was saying that back then. 0:15:01.160 --> 0:15:03.360 I mean that seems small to us, but you can't 0:15:03.360 --> 0:15:05.600 afford to give away ideas. They're too damn hard to 0:15:05.640 --> 0:15:07.160 come by. If I had to do it over, I 0:15:07.200 --> 0:15:09.280 wouldn't staff right at all. I'd find some other way 0:15:09.320 --> 0:15:11.800 to support myself while getting a start as a writer. 0:15:12.200 --> 0:15:15.960 Holy Craft, I'm like going through a midlife crisis as 0:15:16.040 --> 0:15:18.800 we're as we're discussing this right now. Yes, I know 0:15:19.160 --> 0:15:20.960 how many writers in our lives do you think would 0:15:20.960 --> 0:15:22.360 agree with this as well? That you're kind of just 0:15:22.480 --> 0:15:24.960 giving your ideas over to a studio for like such 0:15:25.040 --> 0:15:30.120 little pay, and especially his because he was so like transformative, 0:15:30.760 --> 0:15:33.760 like the thought that he wrote forty nine scripts by himself, 0:15:34.120 --> 0:15:36.760 and all of them anthology episodes. It's pretty much on 0:15:36.800 --> 0:15:39.600 the equivalent of like you wrote a pilot like twice 0:15:39.640 --> 0:15:42.680 a week. So we'll we'll just jump all the way 0:15:42.760 --> 0:15:45.160 to what we're here to talk about, which is, uh, 0:15:45.360 --> 0:15:48.120 the Twilight Zone. And it had an interesting kind of start, 0:15:48.640 --> 0:15:52.240 just kind of shows you how old Hollywood used to work. 0:15:52.400 --> 0:15:54.440 I don't think the w g A existed at this 0:15:54.600 --> 0:15:59.360 point because Sterling submitted the time element to CBS, intending 0:15:59.400 --> 0:16:01.360 it to be a pilot for his new weekly show, 0:16:01.600 --> 0:16:05.360 The Twilight Zone, but instead CBS used the science fiction 0:16:05.480 --> 0:16:08.440 script for a new show produced by Desi Arnaz and 0:16:08.560 --> 0:16:13.920 Lucille Ball the Westinghouse Desilu Playhouse in ninety eight. The 0:16:13.960 --> 0:16:16.440 story concerns a man who has vivid nightmares of an 0:16:16.440 --> 0:16:19.800 attack on Pearl Harbor. The man goes to a psychiatrist, 0:16:19.920 --> 0:16:23.480 and after the session, the twist ending, a device which 0:16:23.520 --> 0:16:26.840 Sterling became known for, reveals the patient had died at 0:16:26.880 --> 0:16:30.200 Pearl Harbor and the psychiatrist was the one actually having 0:16:30.400 --> 0:16:33.720 the vivid dreams. The episode received so much positive fan 0:16:33.840 --> 0:16:37.520 response that CBS agreed to let Serling go ahead with 0:16:37.720 --> 0:16:39.920 his pilot for The Twilight Zone. Oh I'm sorry. I'm 0:16:39.960 --> 0:16:42.240 sorry that my work that you yank for me did 0:16:42.360 --> 0:16:45.000 so well that you agree to let me keep making 0:16:45.120 --> 0:16:47.120 this thing that people are excited. I'm sorry. I couldn't 0:16:47.120 --> 0:16:49.200 stop laughing at the idea of Lucio Ball in this 0:16:49.360 --> 0:16:58.440 like serious What's so interesting here is that that's such 0:16:58.480 --> 0:17:01.160 a sandwich and it's such a perfect like wrap up 0:17:01.240 --> 0:17:05.240 to who Sterling was and into Twilight Zone because I 0:17:05.320 --> 0:17:09.200 mean dreams about a World War two, Like he said, 0:17:09.520 --> 0:17:12.320 the war left him with nightmares. So this is really him, 0:17:12.440 --> 0:17:15.800 like just the beginning of him taking what he was 0:17:15.880 --> 0:17:19.440 actually dealing with, putting it on paper, and then making 0:17:19.480 --> 0:17:23.639 it into something amazing. I also just wanted to be like, 0:17:23.680 --> 0:17:27.000 what a twist that was? All of the No, not 0:17:27.119 --> 0:17:28.600 all of them, but that was a lot of his 0:17:29.440 --> 0:17:31.440 his most famous ones, I feel like had a pretty 0:17:31.480 --> 0:17:33.840 big twist. Um, and some of them I still feel 0:17:33.840 --> 0:17:35.520 like you can't always tell. Some of them you can 0:17:35.520 --> 0:17:37.520 tell that, some of them you can't. And that was 0:17:37.560 --> 0:17:39.639 always my favorite things about a lot of the He 0:17:39.840 --> 0:17:45.760 was just so what a fascinating, interesting man. Um. But yeah, 0:17:45.880 --> 0:17:51.720 let's talk about the Twilight Zone. Um, after these messages. Yeah, 0:17:51.800 --> 0:18:03.080 let's do it. After these messages. Welcome back to Nottificent. 0:18:03.160 --> 0:18:04.920 We are joined by Mellow Brown, and we were talking 0:18:04.920 --> 0:18:07.720 about the Twilight Zone. Um, what would you say is 0:18:07.760 --> 0:18:12.560 your second favorite episode? Second favorite would be uh five characters? 0:18:14.800 --> 0:18:17.920 Yeah that one. Oh. I have a fun fact about that. 0:18:18.440 --> 0:18:20.920 So this movie that not too many people may be 0:18:21.080 --> 0:18:24.840 aware of, called The Cube, which is a that is 0:18:25.440 --> 0:18:30.040 that that episode? It inspired that movie? You know what 0:18:30.359 --> 0:18:32.520 I always say that is the perfect Um. Yeah, I 0:18:32.640 --> 0:18:35.880 just left Netflix play and then like now I'm watching this. Yeah. 0:18:38.359 --> 0:18:40.239 The way I found it is I was with um 0:18:40.400 --> 0:18:42.840 a friend of the pod, Kyle Lewis. He took me 0:18:42.920 --> 0:18:44.879 to this bar in New York. When I was there 0:18:44.920 --> 0:18:48.639 from New DCM. This bar, I wish I remember the name. 0:18:48.680 --> 0:18:52.119 It was everything. It's just a shot bar, which normally 0:18:52.160 --> 0:18:57.440 I'm like hard pass, but every shot is themed and 0:18:58.040 --> 0:19:02.359 there is a song and prop that goes with every shot. 0:19:02.480 --> 0:19:07.720 So he did he did the like Bret Hart like 0:19:08.000 --> 0:19:11.399 a shot and he comes out so he starts playing 0:19:11.440 --> 0:19:14.120 sexy Boy and the bartender comes out with this mike 0:19:14.560 --> 0:19:16.920 and I'm I don't know that's the gimmick of the 0:19:16.960 --> 0:19:19.640 bar yet. I'm just thinking, Oh, this guy really knows. 0:19:21.200 --> 0:19:24.679 And he hands Kyle the microphone. He's like putting him 0:19:24.960 --> 0:19:27.880 like what is going on here? And then like after 0:19:28.080 --> 0:19:32.399 like seeing everyone kind of do theirs, uh their songs, 0:19:32.480 --> 0:19:35.560 I figured out that was it. But in the background 0:19:35.760 --> 0:19:39.080 on the TV Cube was playing on the l Ray 0:19:39.160 --> 0:19:41.960 Network and that's when I was watching it and with 0:19:42.200 --> 0:19:45.600 no sound but enthralled, and then it went straight to 0:19:45.680 --> 0:19:48.000 Cube two. I want to say l Ray Network is 0:19:48.080 --> 0:19:51.800 like the other channel that's not sports in every bar, 0:19:55.320 --> 0:19:57.399 like let's have it on. You have a chance of 0:19:57.440 --> 0:20:03.440 either Luja underground or from Yeah. But I was like 0:20:03.600 --> 0:20:06.199 super into it, Like Kyle was blown away by how 0:20:06.359 --> 0:20:10.960 into the Cuba was and I had the Wikipedia opens. Yeah, 0:20:11.000 --> 0:20:13.240 I love it so not present at the bar. This 0:20:13.320 --> 0:20:15.159 is what happens when you're married and you go to 0:20:15.280 --> 0:20:19.359 a bar and you start Wikipedia. Yeah, bringing up some facts, 0:20:19.440 --> 0:20:21.960 some cool facts. If I ever got to tell you earlier, 0:20:22.000 --> 0:20:23.760 because you know how I love dropping facts about my 0:20:23.800 --> 0:20:25.479 family and they appreciate when I do it on here. 0:20:25.720 --> 0:20:27.760 But you know how Rod Sterling, they said, no, finish 0:20:27.800 --> 0:20:32.080 your school instead of enlisting. So my mom, um, this 0:20:32.200 --> 0:20:34.600 is kind of Twilight Zony. My mom wanted to be 0:20:34.680 --> 0:20:38.560 a nun. My family was so religious. There's so so 0:20:38.800 --> 0:20:41.200 hard core Catholic. My family is so hard for Catholic 0:20:41.400 --> 0:20:43.119 that my mom wanted to be a nun. When she 0:20:43.200 --> 0:20:45.920 was sixteen and she talked to a nun. She wanted 0:20:45.960 --> 0:20:49.320 to join the nunnery, the monastery, whatever, it's the nunnery 0:20:49.840 --> 0:20:53.640 um where they make nuns. And the nuns told her 0:20:54.280 --> 0:20:57.480 finished school, like go to college and and then come 0:20:57.520 --> 0:20:58.880 back and if you still want to be a nun, 0:20:59.240 --> 0:21:02.080 you know we'll talk. So my mom went to college 0:21:02.119 --> 0:21:05.320 and she never came back. I would not be alive. 0:21:05.960 --> 0:21:09.199 I would not be alive, didn't exist. Isn't that crazy? 0:21:10.160 --> 0:21:11.960 My mom went to college and was like, nope, this 0:21:12.119 --> 0:21:14.679 is too good. Well she didn't meet my dad in college. 0:21:14.760 --> 0:21:17.359 But um, yeah, it's not crazy. It's actually kind of 0:21:17.359 --> 0:21:19.760 a decision that wrote Sterling would probably roll with. Um 0:21:19.880 --> 0:21:22.080 If you've noticed in a lot of themes in Twilight Zone, 0:21:22.160 --> 0:21:26.520 he is constantly afraid of isolation. Yeah, like that is 0:21:26.600 --> 0:21:30.560 always like a femine. What was it the Stopwatch the 0:21:30.840 --> 0:21:32.480 I forgot the name of the one where the guy 0:21:32.520 --> 0:21:35.520 that broke his glasses, the one everyone knows at last? 0:21:36.560 --> 0:21:42.240 Was it there? Big? Yeah? Everything that was like his 0:21:42.359 --> 0:21:44.320 big fear. It feels like he was writing in a 0:21:44.400 --> 0:21:46.119 room and just like I hate being alone and I 0:21:46.320 --> 0:21:50.160 was always the mise of some of his best characters. 0:21:51.640 --> 0:21:54.960 Um So, speaking of Rod Serling, he said that he 0:21:55.160 --> 0:21:58.480 was compelled by the need to not just entertain, but 0:21:58.600 --> 0:22:02.199 too enlightened. So he wrote nine three of the series 0:22:02.280 --> 0:22:04.960 a hundred and fifty six episodes over the course of 0:22:05.040 --> 0:22:09.040 its five season run, which began on CBS in nineteen 0:22:09.160 --> 0:22:14.000 fifty nine. Yeah. So, So at ten pm on Friday 0:22:14.080 --> 0:22:19.119 October two, nine, CBS Television broadcast the pilot episode of 0:22:19.200 --> 0:22:22.280 a new series, The Twilight Zone. So the copy and 0:22:22.320 --> 0:22:25.440 CBS is newspaper ad for the debut episode. Where is 0:22:25.480 --> 0:22:31.520 everybody remember that one um that started a phenomenon. It's 0:22:31.600 --> 0:22:34.359 kind of fascinating too that it was on some of 0:22:34.400 --> 0:22:36.879 the episodes I feel like would be kind of scary. Well, 0:22:36.880 --> 0:22:39.120 I guess it was late. Ten pm is late for adults, 0:22:39.200 --> 0:22:41.680 but I you know, I watched him when I was younger. 0:22:41.840 --> 0:22:46.359 My mom was most afraid of the Invaders because that 0:22:46.560 --> 0:22:49.960 is an episode which, by the way, fun fact, there's 0:22:50.000 --> 0:22:53.680 no dialogue. There's no dialogue in The Invaders except for 0:22:53.720 --> 0:22:57.280 the very end um. But yeah, it's a tiny little 0:22:57.480 --> 0:23:01.720 robot people um with a twist. I don't know. I 0:23:01.760 --> 0:23:04.000 guess we we have to have some spoilers in this 0:23:04.080 --> 0:23:06.720 in order to time. Yeah, is that? Were you trying 0:23:06.760 --> 0:23:09.480 to like avoid spoilers? I feel like, well, I told 0:23:09.520 --> 0:23:11.840 you about the Twilight Zone. I looked up because like, 0:23:11.880 --> 0:23:14.040 I'm always fascinated to see what are what are ranked 0:23:14.080 --> 0:23:16.159 as the top Twilight Zone episodes. To find change for 0:23:16.240 --> 0:23:17.800 me all the time, depending on what I'm going through 0:23:17.840 --> 0:23:21.879 in my life. And um, I was reading an article 0:23:22.080 --> 0:23:24.400 that had like the top ten best Twilight Zone episodes 0:23:24.600 --> 0:23:26.760 and at the bottom of the article. So when wrote, 0:23:27.200 --> 0:23:30.280 way to spoil it, man, and the author was like, 0:23:30.440 --> 0:23:33.240 it's been out for over fifty years. It's half a 0:23:33.359 --> 0:23:36.159 century old, my guy. And also just referenced in like 0:23:36.320 --> 0:23:42.280 Futurama the Family, like you're going to get up for everything. Yeah, 0:23:42.400 --> 0:23:45.159 people just want to just point that finger and it's like, 0:23:45.320 --> 0:23:51.800 whoa the Titanic sink love it. So during the original 0:23:51.920 --> 0:23:55.480 series Twilight Zones writers frequently used science fiction as a 0:23:55.600 --> 0:23:59.520 vehicle for social comment, as networks and sponsors who censored 0:23:59.600 --> 0:24:02.920 counter rsual material from the live dramas were less concerned 0:24:02.920 --> 0:24:06.480 and seemingly innocuous fantasy and sci fi stories. It's the 0:24:06.640 --> 0:24:09.960 age old creator's trick. It's even used to this day, 0:24:10.480 --> 0:24:13.440 like how you might be wondering, how did Donald Glover 0:24:13.560 --> 0:24:19.120 get a show as weird as Atlanta made? Well? The pilot, 0:24:19.200 --> 0:24:21.840 if you notice, is very like, it seems very linear, 0:24:22.040 --> 0:24:24.520 seems very narrative, and it seems like it's presenting a 0:24:24.600 --> 0:24:26.920 different story that we never get to see. That was 0:24:27.000 --> 0:24:30.040 how they got it. Greenlight. If you should look at 0:24:30.080 --> 0:24:32.520 the script. It's even more so. They give a whole 0:24:32.560 --> 0:24:36.199 background about him being in college as an intro. It's 0:24:36.240 --> 0:24:39.520 a it's a trojan horse technique that's so bamboos. But 0:24:39.640 --> 0:24:41.680 like at the end of the day, kind of like 0:24:41.920 --> 0:24:46.280 with the original pilot, you know, the network can't argue 0:24:46.320 --> 0:24:48.920 with popularity. If it's popular, they're gonna let you do 0:24:49.000 --> 0:24:52.320 whatever they want, even if they would have blocked you otherwise. Yeah, 0:24:52.359 --> 0:24:54.840 that's that's the funny thing. And it's funny that it 0:24:54.960 --> 0:24:58.040 existed back in the fifties. Still to this day, you 0:24:58.200 --> 0:25:01.840 got the people you know and you look. Don't take offense. 0:25:01.960 --> 0:25:05.000 If you are someone who is considering giving me money 0:25:07.040 --> 0:25:09.920 and you're listening to the background, this is just you know, 0:25:10.119 --> 0:25:13.840 just just chat. But you find these creators and you 0:25:14.000 --> 0:25:16.960 want to pay us because you know we're creative. But 0:25:17.200 --> 0:25:19.199 there's a little something in you that are that are 0:25:19.240 --> 0:25:22.560 afraid of new and kind of things because you're a 0:25:22.640 --> 0:25:25.399 creature of science. When you're a suit you're like, I 0:25:25.840 --> 0:25:28.119 have the data of the shows that have worked. I 0:25:28.200 --> 0:25:31.080 have the data the shows that don't work, but it 0:25:31.200 --> 0:25:35.120 isn't until that new hot thing happens usually by either 0:25:35.240 --> 0:25:39.400 a fluke, a trojan horse technique, or just finally someone 0:25:39.480 --> 0:25:46.160 being like that dude that they get full license. Yeah yeah, 0:25:46.400 --> 0:25:49.840 like you know, even though you know now it's he's 0:25:50.320 --> 0:25:53.160 you know, not that that in vogue, But like Louie 0:25:53.440 --> 0:25:56.440 was able to make Louis because he bought everything, and 0:25:56.520 --> 0:25:58.760 that's he was at the point in his career where 0:25:58.800 --> 0:26:00.960 he can afford to take that hip because you take 0:26:01.040 --> 0:26:04.040 a big financial hit, like yeah, you need to so, 0:26:04.240 --> 0:26:06.480 so he really had to go out of pocket and 0:26:06.880 --> 0:26:09.960 or you do so like even back then, you have 0:26:10.119 --> 0:26:13.160 to do creative techniques to say what you really want 0:26:13.200 --> 0:26:16.520 to say as a creative and Rod Sterling use science fiction. 0:26:17.400 --> 0:26:22.439 I feel like Rod Sterling, you science fiction. Actually keep 0:26:22.520 --> 0:26:25.000 that in so people know how often I've I've said 0:26:25.119 --> 0:26:29.560 Sterling instead of Sterling. Danny has kept well, I mean 0:26:29.640 --> 0:26:33.159 I have it like it was between no, it was 0:26:33.240 --> 0:26:36.280 between the dragon Ball tattoo or I was going to 0:26:36.359 --> 0:26:38.639 get Twilight Zone. I'm not comparing the two. I'm just 0:26:38.680 --> 0:26:40.560 saying I grew up with them, okay people, and they 0:26:40.840 --> 0:26:43.960 both have artwork and walls dedicated to them. But no, 0:26:44.080 --> 0:26:47.240 you're right. Actually, Sterling he found the series very difficult 0:26:47.280 --> 0:26:50.040 to sell. Actually, few critics felt that science fiction could 0:26:50.119 --> 0:26:54.200 transcend empty escapism, as they thought, and enter the realm 0:26:54.280 --> 0:26:58.040 of adult drama. But um. There were frequent themes on 0:26:58.080 --> 0:27:01.159 The Twilight Zone, which included nuclear war McCarthy is um 0:27:01.320 --> 0:27:05.400 that was very popular, UM, and mass hysteria, both I think, 0:27:05.440 --> 0:27:07.840 which are tackled and the monsters are due on Maple Street. 0:27:08.240 --> 0:27:11.200 I'm gonna have both you Twilight Zone nerds back it 0:27:11.320 --> 0:27:14.800 up and explain what happens on Monsters. Oh, I would 0:27:14.960 --> 0:27:18.760 love to, because I'm gonna just say, look, we're gonna 0:27:18.800 --> 0:27:21.320 explain some of these because I know some of the 0:27:21.400 --> 0:27:23.320 nerd family is like, I want to hear this, but 0:27:23.640 --> 0:27:26.560 Danny is trying to like save the twist. You know what, 0:27:27.280 --> 0:27:30.480 just watch it. It's still good even when you know it. Really, 0:27:31.040 --> 0:27:33.840 I think I was just gonna say going forward, UM, 0:27:34.000 --> 0:27:36.359 I think it would be easier to just yeah, we're 0:27:36.359 --> 0:27:38.399 going to give some of the twists away. I apologize. 0:27:38.400 --> 0:27:40.680 You can turn this off and then and watch just 0:27:41.240 --> 0:27:45.080 five seasons listen and want to. I know I knew 0:27:45.119 --> 0:27:47.520 the twist of the eye to beholder before I saw it, 0:27:47.560 --> 0:27:50.200 and it still was so still dope. Also, it's black 0:27:50.240 --> 0:27:52.360 and white and it's like creepy as hell. These Wait, 0:27:52.560 --> 0:27:54.679 I know all of these twists, and I still watched 0:27:54.760 --> 0:27:56.960 them like every month. Maybe I didn't tell you this, 0:27:57.160 --> 0:27:59.520 but the last guy that I was dating, I think 0:27:59.560 --> 0:28:02.280 you know who it is. I brought him over. We're 0:28:02.320 --> 0:28:05.360 not dating anymore, so apparently this technique doesn't work. Um, 0:28:05.520 --> 0:28:07.200 But we were sitting on my couch and I actually 0:28:07.200 --> 0:28:10.160 made him watch, like do Twilight Zone episode. I am 0:28:10.640 --> 0:28:13.320 that guy. I am that guy that will sit you 0:28:13.400 --> 0:28:15.879 down and make you watch Reservoir Dogs or something that 0:28:16.040 --> 0:28:19.000 I've made him watch. I think The Howling Man and 0:28:19.080 --> 0:28:23.040 The Midnight Sun because that's my second favorite. Justus test 0:28:23.080 --> 0:28:28.400 on the middle of a date. Yeah, let's talk about 0:28:28.480 --> 0:28:33.600 the monsters are doing. Maple Street one of the perfectly executed, 0:28:34.720 --> 0:28:40.760 still extremely relevant commentary on mob mentality. You could watch 0:28:40.880 --> 0:28:46.560 it tonight and it would still resonate today, probably even more. Uh, 0:28:47.200 --> 0:28:49.880 with how humans treat each other, how quickly are to 0:28:49.960 --> 0:28:54.080 point fingers and ruin people's lives. Um, And I just 0:28:54.120 --> 0:28:57.520 want to read this quote from Rod Serline that's at 0:28:57.600 --> 0:29:00.880 the very end of the episode. The tool of conquests 0:29:00.960 --> 0:29:04.720 do not necessarily come with bombs and explosions and fallout. 0:29:04.880 --> 0:29:09.040 There are weapons that are simply thoughts, attitudes, prejudices to 0:29:09.160 --> 0:29:12.120 be found only in the minds of men. For the record, 0:29:12.200 --> 0:29:15.840 prejudices can kill, and suspicion can destroy, and a thoughtless 0:29:15.960 --> 0:29:18.440 fright and search for a scapegoat has a fallout all 0:29:18.520 --> 0:29:20.479 of its own for the children, and the children yet 0:29:20.520 --> 0:29:23.240 and unborn, and the pity of it is that these 0:29:23.320 --> 0:29:27.479 things cannot be confined to the Twilight Zone. I've chills 0:29:28.240 --> 0:29:31.400 and he was genius in every way, and especially like 0:29:31.600 --> 0:29:35.400 this particular episode always feel like was one of the 0:29:35.480 --> 0:29:38.760 biggest catalysts in terms of style that I see things 0:29:38.880 --> 0:29:41.280 like in a lot of Stephen King stories, Like a 0:29:41.400 --> 0:29:43.240 lot of the stories have always builds up in mobs 0:29:43.280 --> 0:29:45.560 and everything like that, and it's always from something simple, 0:29:45.640 --> 0:29:48.760 And that's exactly where this originated from. In this story, 0:29:48.800 --> 0:29:51.760 where it was just an idea from a child, a 0:29:52.000 --> 0:29:57.480 small fear, and that fear equals something else inside of adults, 0:29:57.680 --> 0:30:01.040 they had the same level of like, oh, is this 0:30:01.200 --> 0:30:03.600 the one where the kids afraid of a monster and 0:30:03.720 --> 0:30:07.040 gets the whole town like kind of so what happens 0:30:07.080 --> 0:30:09.320 and the monsters are doing Maple Street is the lights 0:30:09.400 --> 0:30:14.479 go out on Maple Street and and everybody is kind 0:30:14.480 --> 0:30:16.120 of like, why did the lights go out? But wait 0:30:16.160 --> 0:30:17.840 a second, why is the light on in your house? 0:30:17.960 --> 0:30:19.560 Or why is light on in his house? And so 0:30:19.600 --> 0:30:22.800 they're all kind of like talking together, and the kid 0:30:23.040 --> 0:30:24.400 and the story was like, oh, this is like in 0:30:24.480 --> 0:30:27.280 my comic book when there where these monsters or aliens 0:30:27.360 --> 0:30:29.280 or whatever he says, and they're like, how did the 0:30:29.400 --> 0:30:33.520 kid know? Um? And so they end up really starting 0:30:33.640 --> 0:30:38.120 to accuse each other of knowing why, like why is 0:30:38.120 --> 0:30:41.160 it light going in your house? And and um, somebody 0:30:41.320 --> 0:30:43.960 leaves to go and check and they see this person. 0:30:44.040 --> 0:30:46.640 They start to get to this frantic part where they're 0:30:46.640 --> 0:30:49.000 just blaming each other where the person starts to walk 0:30:49.080 --> 0:30:51.840 back and and um, they can't see them in the darkness, 0:30:51.880 --> 0:30:57.680 and they shoot them, and um, you pan out and 0:30:57.920 --> 0:31:02.479 you see these two aliens watching and one of them 0:31:02.520 --> 0:31:04.400 turns to the other and is like, so is this 0:31:04.760 --> 0:31:06.440 how it is everywhere? He was like, yeah, you could 0:31:06.440 --> 0:31:10.920 do this on any street. They'll just kill each other. Essentially. Wow, 0:31:11.200 --> 0:31:15.840 that's yeah, perfect, And I feel like that is that's 0:31:15.880 --> 0:31:19.920 such a commentary. Also, I feel like, um, so I 0:31:19.960 --> 0:31:21.720 don't remember any of the deep ones. The one I 0:31:21.800 --> 0:31:24.360 remember was where that guy wanted to I think he 0:31:24.920 --> 0:31:31.160 like he wanted to go be bigger, remember that, Yeah, 0:31:31.200 --> 0:31:33.120 and then everything starts bigger, and the twist is that 0:31:33.200 --> 0:31:36.120 he was shrinking, Like that's the one I remember. That's 0:31:36.120 --> 0:31:39.480 a that's a classic like surling thing. Um with the 0:31:39.720 --> 0:31:42.920 Midnight Sun, which is one of my favorites, is that 0:31:43.000 --> 0:31:45.560 they're moving closer to the sun, and that's also kind 0:31:45.600 --> 0:31:49.600 of terrifying. It's like, um, them starting to get you know, 0:31:49.800 --> 0:31:53.160 more more desperate, and then you wake up and they're 0:31:53.160 --> 0:31:57.400 actually moving farther away. So that was his Yeah, he 0:31:57.640 --> 0:32:00.440 had a lot of those twists in there. But um, yeah, 0:32:00.480 --> 0:32:02.479 the Monsters are due on Maple Street. I actually had 0:32:02.560 --> 0:32:05.240 to read that and uh, it was made into a 0:32:05.400 --> 0:32:08.600 play and I read that in English class in high school. 0:32:09.880 --> 0:32:12.160 But I feel like that's still relevant where people could 0:32:12.160 --> 0:32:14.720 be watching. Us are watching, Americans are watching like, yeah, 0:32:14.720 --> 0:32:16.960 they'll just destroy each other. You know, we don't even 0:32:17.000 --> 0:32:18.200 have to really, we just have to like kind of 0:32:18.240 --> 0:32:20.680 poke them a little bit. But it's also funny because 0:32:20.760 --> 0:32:24.240 it was like it was the Aliens, like that kid 0:32:24.320 --> 0:32:27.160 said it was the Aliens and yeah, it's like a 0:32:27.440 --> 0:32:30.280 love layer. It was just like kind of a coincidence 0:32:30.400 --> 0:32:32.840 or anything like that. But there's one thing I will 0:32:32.880 --> 0:32:35.280 say about certainly that was really great in terms of, 0:32:36.200 --> 0:32:38.280 like I think every writer can learn from him in 0:32:38.520 --> 0:32:41.880 terms of this. When their budget dropped and CBS was like, 0:32:42.480 --> 0:32:43.880 you're going to have to do this in like one 0:32:43.920 --> 0:32:46.480 set in the studio, make all these outlandish episodes and 0:32:46.520 --> 0:32:48.800 everything like that, the quality actually kind of went up, 0:32:49.520 --> 0:32:55.360 and these isolated stories that were driving characters, like the 0:32:56.000 --> 0:32:58.200 there's the one story I do not remember the title, 0:32:58.240 --> 0:33:03.320 and anybody can direct me online. I got but there's 0:33:03.360 --> 0:33:06.640 a lady who is constantly walking and running down a 0:33:06.720 --> 0:33:10.240 corridor in hospital and every time she gets to the 0:33:10.360 --> 0:33:12.480 end and there's a morgue there and there's a nurse, 0:33:12.760 --> 0:33:15.200 and the nurse is just like room for one more. 0:33:15.960 --> 0:33:19.040 And it's just this constant fear of dread and death 0:33:19.360 --> 0:33:22.400 that and like he's so good at that, like a 0:33:22.800 --> 0:33:26.000 regular just like jump scares weren't his thing, but dread, 0:33:26.560 --> 0:33:29.040 just like mortality is going to catch up with you. 0:33:29.240 --> 0:33:31.920 It's really great in terms of that. But that particular 0:33:32.000 --> 0:33:34.120 story is so perfect in terms of like, if you 0:33:34.200 --> 0:33:36.400 have a small space. You have a zero budget. This 0:33:36.560 --> 0:33:38.080 is how you do it. You got really yeah, I 0:33:38.200 --> 0:33:42.560 think so. In season two, due to budgetary constraints, Network 0:33:42.840 --> 0:33:45.760 decided against Serling's wishes to cut costs by shooting some 0:33:45.880 --> 0:33:49.720 episodes on videotape rather than film, and the requisite multi 0:33:49.800 --> 0:33:53.320 camera set up of the videotape format precluded location shooting, 0:33:53.800 --> 0:33:57.400 and that severely limited the scope of the storylines, and 0:33:57.680 --> 0:34:00.800 the experiment was abandoned after just six episodes. Hdes and 0:34:00.960 --> 0:34:04.120 I should say that the season one was thirty minutes long. 0:34:04.920 --> 0:34:08.360 Season four, which was from two to sixty three, consists 0:34:08.400 --> 0:34:12.799 of one hour episodes. They're kind of long. They're kind 0:34:12.840 --> 0:34:17.719 of long. Actually did not want that at all. Yeah, yeah, 0:34:18.360 --> 0:34:21.160 and then season five returned to the half hour format. 0:34:21.200 --> 0:34:23.960 I would say one and two are my favorite seasons though, 0:34:24.280 --> 0:34:26.880 But we'll get into more of the history as well 0:34:26.960 --> 0:34:29.960 as the other Twilight Zone revivals in the future. One 0:34:30.480 --> 0:34:41.600 right after this break and we're back talking more about 0:34:41.760 --> 0:34:48.160 that was weird Europe. Yeah, I thought you were like 0:34:48.239 --> 0:34:53.239 brew We are indeed back No no no, no, no 0:34:53.360 --> 0:34:56.160 no no no no no no no talking about the 0:34:56.200 --> 0:34:58.680 Twilight Zone. Um So I do want to say for 0:34:58.719 --> 0:35:01.520 everyone that's mad about re boots or that we're doing 0:35:01.640 --> 0:35:04.920 reboots now. I mean reboots have been around forever because 0:35:04.960 --> 0:35:08.400 the Twilight Zone was rebooted in the eighties. Actually, the 0:35:08.480 --> 0:35:12.920 first reboot ran on CBS UH in nineteen in the 0:35:13.040 --> 0:35:15.560 nineteen eighties, and then the second ran on up N 0:35:16.560 --> 0:35:19.520 from two thousand two to two thousand three. And now 0:35:19.600 --> 0:35:21.600 we have a fourth one that will be on CBS 0:35:21.680 --> 0:35:25.880 All Access from Jordan Peel, which we actually know some 0:35:25.920 --> 0:35:28.680 of the writers on there. So did you, meloge you 0:35:28.719 --> 0:35:30.960 watch any of those eighties ones or any of them 0:35:31.000 --> 0:35:34.120 stand out for you? Yeah, seeing a few of the 0:35:34.200 --> 0:35:38.920 eighties ones, um, like I believe recently we were speaking 0:35:38.920 --> 0:35:41.719 about the Chameleon, and that one definitely stood out to me. 0:35:41.920 --> 0:35:45.759 Uh in terms of kind of like strange structure, the 0:35:45.880 --> 0:35:49.360 overall the just the alien transforming. It's different things, and 0:35:49.400 --> 0:35:52.000 there's like a particular guy that's like chasing after the alien. 0:35:52.200 --> 0:35:55.279 But yeah, like a lot of eighties ones. Uh, you're 0:35:55.400 --> 0:35:59.480 very very very weird. Yes, yeah, no, no, I can 0:35:59.560 --> 0:36:02.759 imagine because it was a wild time. Also, like when 0:36:02.840 --> 0:36:06.239 you have like it's funny because I do think you 0:36:06.360 --> 0:36:09.400 can reboot things that you know, maybe you weren't that 0:36:09.520 --> 0:36:12.520 great or just kind of like left it open or 0:36:12.760 --> 0:36:15.800 kind of have the person who helmed it take it 0:36:15.920 --> 0:36:19.600 over Alah fury Road, you know. But when you have 0:36:19.719 --> 0:36:23.040 something like Twilight Zone, which was this phenomenon that kind 0:36:23.080 --> 0:36:26.080 of blew up to try and just simply rebooted, and 0:36:26.200 --> 0:36:28.520 he and Sterling wasn't a part of it. He actually 0:36:28.640 --> 0:36:34.080 sold his shares, uh, and CBS you know, kind of 0:36:34.239 --> 0:36:36.560 did it and they actually stood to earn more. But 0:36:36.640 --> 0:36:39.439 they were still kind of a little on the fence 0:36:39.480 --> 0:36:42.880 about it, and it seemed like it did okay, like 0:36:43.440 --> 0:36:46.160 it didn't have the same popularity, but there were some 0:36:46.320 --> 0:36:49.759 episodes that were kind of like they're like the CBS 0:36:49.840 --> 0:36:53.279 turned down Okay, So they turned down offers from the 0:36:53.360 --> 0:36:56.600 original production team of Rod Sterling and Buck Hounton who 0:36:56.640 --> 0:36:59.480 Buck work. They worked so closely together. I think he 0:36:59.600 --> 0:37:02.240 worked on almost like every episode of the original Twilight 0:37:02.320 --> 0:37:04.480 Zone because his name is all over it. I always 0:37:04.480 --> 0:37:06.840 see his name every single time, um, at least in 0:37:06.880 --> 0:37:09.359 a lot of the episodes that I watched. And they 0:37:09.440 --> 0:37:13.719 also turned down from Francis Ford Coppola, So we could 0:37:13.719 --> 0:37:17.920 have had a Twilight Zone from Francis Ford Coppola. I'm 0:37:18.160 --> 0:37:22.799 curious of what that would have been. Now what's that discussion? Like? Yeah, 0:37:23.080 --> 0:37:27.200 like what what does that take? Yeah? So they ended 0:37:27.280 --> 0:37:30.160 up green lighting it in n under the supervision of 0:37:30.239 --> 0:37:34.520 Carlos Singer, who was then the vice president of Drama Development. Um. 0:37:34.840 --> 0:37:38.160 I wasn't a big fan of them, but you know 0:37:38.400 --> 0:37:41.560 I there was also we have talked about Twilight Zone movie, 0:37:41.760 --> 0:37:45.040 which I liked parts of it. Um so kind of 0:37:45.120 --> 0:37:47.520 had a similar feel to me. Oh you liked it? Yeah, 0:37:47.800 --> 0:37:51.120 actually love the Twilight Zone movie, but what was it? 0:37:51.680 --> 0:37:55.320 I like the Spielberg chapter as well as I like 0:37:55.560 --> 0:38:01.240 the revival of the ten thousand foot feet nightmare scenario, 0:38:01.520 --> 0:38:05.000 which h it was a big improvement over the what 0:38:05.480 --> 0:38:08.640 how dare you all right? If you're listening to this 0:38:09.239 --> 0:38:13.640 Google image William Shatner Twilight Zone, every image you'll get 0:38:13.719 --> 0:38:17.279 from that is hilarious of his reactions hamming it up 0:38:17.360 --> 0:38:20.520 at like just um, the costume yet in the window, 0:38:21.120 --> 0:38:25.680 it's so good. I'm sorry, don't know, speak your truth. 0:38:25.880 --> 0:38:27.879 I'm sorry, I'm not trying. I'm not trying to hide 0:38:28.000 --> 0:38:33.759 daggers at you. Um nightmare feet? Yes, is the infamous 0:38:34.200 --> 0:38:39.040 William Shatner episode of the original Twilight Zone which chronicled 0:38:39.080 --> 0:38:42.640 a man who was actually just done from being hospitalized 0:38:42.719 --> 0:38:45.520 for a breakdown, So that that was also a part 0:38:45.560 --> 0:38:48.719 of it. Also, could I just say so he was 0:38:48.840 --> 0:38:52.880 he was completely terrified on this flight. Not only did 0:38:52.920 --> 0:38:55.799 he see a yetty ish type of figure on the wing, 0:38:56.080 --> 0:39:01.279 which inspired the very famous Jim Carrey um scene from 0:39:01.400 --> 0:39:05.280 a Nature calls there's something on the wing. He doesn't 0:39:05.360 --> 0:39:07.160 sound like that if you go back and watch it. 0:39:07.840 --> 0:39:11.200 But um, what I was gonna say is also, hello, 0:39:11.800 --> 0:39:16.279 flying back then, was terrified? He Okay, now you think like, 0:39:16.320 --> 0:39:20.080 oh yeah, flying is terrifying for people. Now think back then, Okay, 0:39:20.239 --> 0:39:22.759 it was. I mean, one, they could smoke, so that's cool, 0:39:22.800 --> 0:39:25.080 But like also your playing can catch on fire. Um, 0:39:25.280 --> 0:39:27.120 because they were smoking, I think in it, as they 0:39:27.160 --> 0:39:29.200 were in all of these Um, this is not an 0:39:29.200 --> 0:39:31.440 anti ps A for smoking. You can do whatever you 0:39:31.520 --> 0:39:33.520 want with your body. I just think on a flight, 0:39:34.440 --> 0:39:38.960 you know. Um yeah, yeah. So that was also a 0:39:39.000 --> 0:39:40.120 part of it that I think a lot of people 0:39:40.160 --> 0:39:42.399 forget is that this man was coming off of having 0:39:42.600 --> 0:39:45.400 a breakdown, So it was did he actually see this 0:39:45.640 --> 0:39:48.239 creature on the wing or wasn't in his head. So 0:39:48.960 --> 0:39:51.680 but yes, speaking of the film, they did. So the 0:39:51.760 --> 0:39:55.960 Twilight Zone movie came out in they did recreate that scene. 0:39:56.080 --> 0:39:59.319 So it started. Dan Ackroyd, Albert Brooks, John Lithgow, Um, 0:39:59.560 --> 0:40:03.240 the late Vickmorrow, and Scott Man. Cruther's John Lennons directed 0:40:03.280 --> 0:40:06.480 the prologue and the first segment. Steven Spielberg directed the second, 0:40:06.600 --> 0:40:09.360 Joe Dante the third, and George Miller directed the final segment, 0:40:09.440 --> 0:40:12.759 which I didn't know. Um. Landis's episode became notorious for 0:40:12.920 --> 0:40:16.160 a helicopter accident during filming that caused the death Tomorrow 0:40:16.320 --> 0:40:21.080 and and two child actors. I just found out about. 0:40:21.160 --> 0:40:25.680 I forgot about that. I was talking about that. Um. Yeah, 0:40:25.680 --> 0:40:30.960 I guess we should move on, yeah, to the second revival, 0:40:31.280 --> 0:40:34.200 because there was many more well before there. Before the 0:40:34.280 --> 0:40:40.160 Second Revival, there was Rod Serling's Lost Classics, when uh, 0:40:40.880 --> 0:40:44.920 basically Richard Matheson and Carold Sara Ling produced a an 0:40:44.960 --> 0:40:47.359 outline for a two hour made for TV movie which 0:40:47.440 --> 0:40:51.960 would feature you know, Matheson's adaptation of three yet unfilmed 0:40:52.040 --> 0:40:56.200 Rod Serling. Short stories and outlines for the production were 0:40:56.719 --> 0:41:01.480 rejected by CBS until early when Sterling's widow discovered a 0:41:01.560 --> 0:41:05.759 complete shooting script for Where the Dead Are authored by 0:41:06.200 --> 0:41:10.120 Sterling himself, and while rummaging, she found that while rummaging 0:41:10.200 --> 0:41:14.520 through her garage, like He'll imagine just having like just scripts. 0:41:14.880 --> 0:41:19.279 The man was a genius, Like man it is, I'm 0:41:19.360 --> 0:41:21.960 angry and how good it was just constantly just like 0:41:22.120 --> 0:41:24.920 I have an idea I can form. Also, like in 0:41:25.000 --> 0:41:27.839 the digital age, that's never gonna happen unless I found 0:41:27.880 --> 0:41:33.120 this random thumb drive they don't look at it, found 0:41:33.160 --> 0:41:37.400 his very dropbox. Yeah. Yeah. So then there was a 0:41:37.440 --> 0:41:39.799 second revival from two thousand two to two thousand three, 0:41:40.000 --> 0:41:41.680 and that was on up N. It was hosted by 0:41:41.680 --> 0:41:44.719 Force Whittaker. Actually do remember that one um it was 0:41:44.719 --> 0:41:49.440 a one hour format where are you Giggily? Within two 0:41:49.520 --> 0:41:53.080 half hour stories. It was canceled after one season. It's 0:41:53.120 --> 0:41:55.080 Still a Good Life is a sequel to It's a 0:41:55.080 --> 0:41:57.600 Good Life? Is that what you were talking about? Okay? 0:41:58.280 --> 0:42:00.560 The Monsters are doing a Maple Street is an adaptation 0:42:00.760 --> 0:42:03.759 of The Monsters are Doing Maple Street and I Have 0:42:03.840 --> 0:42:06.399 the Beholders, the remake of an episode from Riginal series. Yeah, 0:42:06.440 --> 0:42:08.640 so they had some of the same uh ones and 0:42:08.800 --> 0:42:11.279 they had certain still credited as a writer as he 0:42:11.440 --> 0:42:13.320 was because he came up with a lot of those concepts, 0:42:14.040 --> 0:42:15.719 a lot of those stories. Actually, uh like what we 0:42:15.800 --> 0:42:20.560 were saying, there's sequels to the original stories. Uh UM 0:42:20.800 --> 0:42:22.560 let the audience decide if they lived up to him 0:42:22.680 --> 0:42:25.879 or not. UM. In terms of it's still a good life, UM, 0:42:26.280 --> 0:42:30.200 that one is incredibly dark where the like UM, we 0:42:30.320 --> 0:42:31.919 we touched on a little bit where it's the little 0:42:31.960 --> 0:42:34.680 boy who has the psychic ability where he is actually 0:42:34.760 --> 0:42:38.680 reading people's minds and is actually judging if they are 0:42:38.719 --> 0:42:42.359 having good thoughts or not, and it's of his own 0:42:42.400 --> 0:42:45.360 accord of that. He's just like, I don't like what 0:42:45.440 --> 0:42:47.920 you're thinking, and then he would point at someone and 0:42:47.920 --> 0:42:49.480 they would end up in a cornfield. And that was 0:42:49.480 --> 0:42:52.520 the original one. UM. In the sequel, he's actually a 0:42:52.560 --> 0:42:55.440 full grown adult. He has a child. He is worse. 0:42:56.040 --> 0:42:59.600 He has recreated ironically enough, this is if you could 0:42:59.760 --> 0:43:02.840 find this on like YouTube or anything like that, go 0:43:03.040 --> 0:43:04.960 for it. It's still a good life. He has created 0:43:05.160 --> 0:43:10.800 basically a UM like Trump's America. Using psychic powers. He 0:43:10.920 --> 0:43:13.799 decided like I don't like tall buildings, got rid of them. 0:43:13.920 --> 0:43:15.680 I don't like cars, I don't I got rid of them, 0:43:16.160 --> 0:43:20.319 and he's actually changed the world in a way where 0:43:20.440 --> 0:43:23.440 he's just murdering things way worse than he was before. 0:43:23.640 --> 0:43:27.839 And now he has a daughter with power stronger than his. Um. 0:43:28.320 --> 0:43:32.200 It is a very strange watch. The ending is super 0:43:32.280 --> 0:43:37.359 off putting. Um. The last line of dialogue, UM will 0:43:37.719 --> 0:43:42.320 make you probably angry, and uh it is. It is 0:43:43.200 --> 0:43:45.160 quite a thing to watch now, I'm gonna have to 0:43:45.239 --> 0:43:49.960 watch that. And then um, the monsters are due on 0:43:50.120 --> 0:43:53.200 Maple Street. The sequel for that, which is just the 0:43:53.360 --> 0:43:56.399 monsters are on Maple I read it wrong, No, you're 0:43:56.840 --> 0:44:01.440 that one right there is particularly Um I'll put like this, 0:44:01.719 --> 0:44:04.279 if you remember what we just said about the plot 0:44:04.320 --> 0:44:11.120 of that, imagine someone writing a sequel to that post like, well, 0:44:11.360 --> 0:44:15.120 it's it's very much. Uh it's a mob that looks 0:44:15.239 --> 0:44:20.040 very familiar, if you know what I mean. But yeah, no, 0:44:20.200 --> 0:44:25.000 it's it's Uh. It is like interesting because like both 0:44:25.080 --> 0:44:29.240 those things that were created sequels for it's funny because 0:44:29.600 --> 0:44:32.000 you don't need the sequels. It seems like it's saying 0:44:32.160 --> 0:44:36.520 the same thing, like there's no added context because the 0:44:36.760 --> 0:44:39.600 thing that is being said in the original is just 0:44:40.520 --> 0:44:44.560 all unique and the the other thing about that particular 0:44:44.760 --> 0:44:47.920 run was listen, you can you can come at me 0:44:47.960 --> 0:44:51.280 in my mentions if you like it. But there's episodes 0:44:51.400 --> 0:44:56.560 that border on like unintentionally funny, like um, the I'll 0:44:56.600 --> 0:45:00.920 share as a as a police officer episode where he's 0:45:00.960 --> 0:45:06.719 fighting a ghost pill and uh that that leads to 0:45:06.800 --> 0:45:10.160 a conclusion where you're just like, Okay, does that happened where? 0:45:10.360 --> 0:45:13.160 And like it's very very early two thousand's filming, and 0:45:14.120 --> 0:45:16.600 where it's like why is the trash kids c g 0:45:16.800 --> 0:45:22.879 I in the background, the kind of have the technology 0:45:22.920 --> 0:45:24.520 they're going to use it, like just do it. We've 0:45:24.560 --> 0:45:28.480 got that upn money, you know. And then um, there's 0:45:29.000 --> 0:45:33.320 oh man, it is classic the Katherine Heigel will she 0:45:33.520 --> 0:45:37.360 kill Baby Hitler storyline? She just she goes back in time. 0:45:37.840 --> 0:45:44.600 It's a question asked yes, and the ending to that like, uh, 0:45:45.400 --> 0:45:47.120 like I just had to go for a walk because 0:45:47.160 --> 0:45:49.520 of like it it's so ridiculous, Like I feel like 0:45:49.800 --> 0:45:53.560 people are gonna watch this new reboot for a completely 0:45:53.600 --> 0:45:57.160 different reason than they might go watch the original after 0:45:57.320 --> 0:45:59.040 listening to that. The best part about it is that 0:45:59.120 --> 0:46:03.080 you can't look up the things You've just got to watch. Yeah, Um, 0:46:03.320 --> 0:46:05.719 I did want to talk about a couple of things. 0:46:06.120 --> 0:46:09.160 So there was the twilight Zone game. In nineteen sixty four, 0:46:09.239 --> 0:46:12.239 Ideal released a board game, the twilight Zone Game, at 0:46:12.280 --> 0:46:15.760 the height of the show's popularity. That's kind of fascinating. 0:46:15.760 --> 0:46:18.160 So the game consisted of a cardboard playing surface, four 0:46:18.280 --> 0:46:21.680 colored plane, pieces of colored spinning wheel, and twelve door 0:46:21.920 --> 0:46:26.200 playing cards. There was also very popular was the Twilight 0:46:26.320 --> 0:46:29.320 Zone pinball game, which I love I always. I actually, 0:46:29.560 --> 0:46:33.120 being the nerd that I am, was googling Twilight Zone 0:46:33.239 --> 0:46:35.840 on eBay as you do when you're Danny Fernandez on 0:46:35.920 --> 0:46:39.279 a Friday night, and I found somebody had like a 0:46:39.400 --> 0:46:43.280 piece of the pinball uh game that has wrought Sterling 0:46:43.360 --> 0:46:45.120 with like his arms crossed, and so I have that 0:46:45.600 --> 0:46:49.879 framed on my WALLA. Yeah, it's also really cool. It's 0:46:49.920 --> 0:46:53.719 really cool. And they're also comic books, which are this 0:46:53.920 --> 0:46:56.360 is this is such an insight into my life. I 0:46:56.440 --> 0:46:58.719 was gonna say comic books, which you can also find 0:46:58.760 --> 0:47:01.160 on eBay. They're very chee. You can look up the 0:47:01.360 --> 0:47:05.080 Twilight Zone comic books. They for me just make good art. Um. 0:47:05.280 --> 0:47:07.719 I keep some of them intact, so don't freak out. 0:47:08.400 --> 0:47:12.759 But they're also worth like five dollars um, so yeah, 0:47:12.920 --> 0:47:15.040 you can. You can pick up some of the They 0:47:15.080 --> 0:47:18.239 actually had different, um, different stories than than what was 0:47:18.320 --> 0:47:22.800 just in the in the show. Have a favorite comics 0:47:23.000 --> 0:47:26.480 out of the list, They're so absurd, like all of them. 0:47:26.520 --> 0:47:28.440 I'm like, what is gonna look at as good now 0:47:28.520 --> 0:47:30.960 that I'm thirty, because that's like my art. I'm like, 0:47:31.000 --> 0:47:33.040 I needed to you know, be kind of nerdy but 0:47:33.120 --> 0:47:35.759 also speak to me and be eloquent. And it's all 0:47:35.840 --> 0:47:38.840 just like you know, some like tentacles coming out or something, 0:47:39.640 --> 0:47:43.200 um or whatever, like they just like the old school 0:47:43.680 --> 0:47:46.800 uh comics from the sixties, which they were, but but 0:47:46.920 --> 0:47:48.839 a lot of them are kind of crazy looking. It's 0:47:48.880 --> 0:47:53.360 like no budget restraints. Yeah yeah yeah. Uh. And I 0:47:53.480 --> 0:47:59.720 think one of the most known attractions for the Twilight 0:47:59.840 --> 0:48:03.000 Zone and outside of just the show itself, would be 0:48:03.160 --> 0:48:06.839 the Twilight Zone Tower of Terror, which was a theme 0:48:06.920 --> 0:48:10.520 park attraction based on the original Twilight Zone series designed 0:48:10.560 --> 0:48:14.400 by the Walt Disney Imagineers, and the attraction is a 0:48:14.840 --> 0:48:19.080 fixture at two It was at the Disney's Hollywood Studios Florida, 0:48:19.360 --> 0:48:23.440 and uh and the Walt Disney Park in Paris and 0:48:23.920 --> 0:48:28.600 UH there was one at Disney California Adventure, but it 0:48:28.719 --> 0:48:31.480 has been altered to adopt a theme for the Guardians 0:48:31.520 --> 0:48:34.279 of the Galaxy franchise, which I have yet to ride. 0:48:34.320 --> 0:48:38.080 The Guardians of the Galaxy one. I was very line 0:48:38.120 --> 0:48:41.120 over there. Yeah, I was very bummed from Missing Tower 0:48:41.239 --> 0:48:44.440 Terror because it always had just the right level of 0:48:44.520 --> 0:48:48.080 creepiness where even if you're even if you've written it 0:48:48.200 --> 0:48:53.200 a million times, there's still like just this unexplainable creepiness 0:48:53.400 --> 0:48:57.480 of being in that hotel room hearing Rod Serling tell 0:48:57.520 --> 0:49:01.120 you the story of this elevator and you getting in 0:49:01.239 --> 0:49:05.000 it and then seeing the ghost of everyone waving goodbye, 0:49:05.160 --> 0:49:07.919 like they're like, you know the I remember the first 0:49:07.960 --> 0:49:10.480 time I wrote it, it was like legitimately scary, and 0:49:10.520 --> 0:49:12.640 then after it's not as scary, but there's still like 0:49:12.719 --> 0:49:15.360 a level to it that has like that kind of 0:49:15.440 --> 0:49:18.000 like in the same way that you some some twists 0:49:18.040 --> 0:49:21.040 still get that like tingly feeling on you when you 0:49:21.120 --> 0:49:23.040 think about it. I need to tell you something as 0:49:23.120 --> 0:49:25.640 big of a Twilight Zone head. I can't say Twilight 0:49:25.719 --> 0:49:29.160 Head because that's the wrong franchise. As big of a 0:49:29.239 --> 0:49:32.040 Twilight Zone head as I am, uh and grew up 0:49:32.080 --> 0:49:37.840 with I kind of like Bernstein. Bernstein retroactively remembered this 0:49:38.040 --> 0:49:42.800 as an episode, and it wasn't. This was created for 0:49:43.840 --> 0:49:47.880 this ride. This was not a real episode. Yeah, and 0:49:48.000 --> 0:49:49.800 I know. I mean you can tell when you watch it, 0:49:49.920 --> 0:49:51.480 when you're in the ride, you can tell. I, Oh no, 0:49:51.560 --> 0:49:53.640 this was made from like, you know, more recent actors 0:49:53.719 --> 0:49:56.080 or whatever. But I always just assume they're recreating it. No, 0:49:56.440 --> 0:49:59.560 there was no Tower of Terror episode. And I don't 0:49:59.600 --> 0:50:01.720 know why I forever because I was on a Twilight 0:50:01.800 --> 0:50:03.520 Zone episode. I was on a like a podcast. We 0:50:03.680 --> 0:50:05.040 were talking about it like a year or so ago. 0:50:05.719 --> 0:50:09.440 Um and and uh, I was talking about the episode, 0:50:09.480 --> 0:50:12.800 and then later nobody, by the way online corrected me. 0:50:12.920 --> 0:50:17.040 So God blessed them or else nobody listened to that. Um. 0:50:17.719 --> 0:50:21.680 But but later when I got home read, oh, um, 0:50:22.239 --> 0:50:25.000 that wasn't a real episode. I never actually watched it, 0:50:25.440 --> 0:50:28.480 And uh, well it feels so real when you're watching 0:50:30.360 --> 0:50:32.879 this has to be based on an episode. No, yeah, 0:50:32.880 --> 0:50:34.920 I remember seeing it and then the people like they 0:50:34.960 --> 0:50:40.160 get stuck in both Nope. No, um, that's not at 0:50:40.200 --> 0:50:42.400 all embarrassing. But what I do want to say is 0:50:42.560 --> 0:50:46.239 the way that I was introduced to it, which I 0:50:46.280 --> 0:50:50.440 think a lot of people around our age was the marathon, 0:50:50.600 --> 0:50:53.479 the Twilight Zone Marathon. UM. So here's a little lore 0:50:53.760 --> 0:50:55.560 on that as far as it being a history of 0:50:55.600 --> 0:50:58.000 holiday tradition because it was only normally run as a 0:50:58.040 --> 0:51:01.040 marathon during the holidays. UM. Still kind of so the 0:51:01.120 --> 0:51:05.480 origins of the New Year's Eve Twilight Zone Marathon are 0:51:05.640 --> 0:51:10.080 kind of unknown. No one knows which regional TV station 0:51:10.280 --> 0:51:14.759 started syndicating the Twilight Zone reruns during that time, um, 0:51:15.200 --> 0:51:18.840 or whether they began on New Year's at all. The 0:51:19.040 --> 0:51:21.000 first one. So this is a quote from kt l 0:51:21.080 --> 0:51:25.640 A program director Mark Sunnenberg UM and in article in 0:51:25.640 --> 0:51:27.239 The l A Times, he said, the first one we 0:51:27.320 --> 0:51:31.160 did was on Thanksgiving in nineteen eighty and so the 0:51:31.520 --> 0:51:35.960 first Thanksgiving marathon was only eight hours long and received 0:51:36.000 --> 0:51:39.440 a sixteen percent share. So that's kind of fascinating. So 0:51:40.200 --> 0:51:42.399 the Twilight Zone Marathon that we all know and love 0:51:43.080 --> 0:51:46.520 was actually a Thanksgiving marathon. Very fitting, I might say, 0:51:46.600 --> 0:51:51.480 since you're around your family and it seems, yeah, that's 0:51:51.560 --> 0:51:55.600 kind of like very Twilight zony depending on the relationships. 0:51:56.480 --> 0:51:59.880 Man um has to be expected for one of dan 0:52:00.040 --> 0:52:05.879 these favorite properties, we are running on time a little over. 0:52:06.600 --> 0:52:09.280 I mean, I guess we know the future of Twilight 0:52:09.360 --> 0:52:13.000 Zone technically because we know we have the Jordan Peel show. No, 0:52:13.160 --> 0:52:16.840 but also if he um Leonardo DiCaprio, who were interested. 0:52:17.360 --> 0:52:18.799 I don't know if you saw that in our notes, 0:52:19.040 --> 0:52:22.800 Leonardo DiCaprio is interested and possibly doing a feature a 0:52:22.960 --> 0:52:25.800 future film, which who knows if he's actually going to 0:52:25.880 --> 0:52:28.120 do that now that Jordan Peel is going to be 0:52:28.320 --> 0:52:31.080 and I think he's like, I'll step down, but it 0:52:31.120 --> 0:52:35.279 would be interesting because on first thought I'd be like what, 0:52:35.800 --> 0:52:39.440 But also seeing how like Leonardo or as I like 0:52:39.560 --> 0:52:43.279 to call him, Leo Dio, is a huge, huge, huge 0:52:43.360 --> 0:52:48.920 activists for like environmental stuff that I think it's that 0:52:49.040 --> 0:52:50.840 type of brain that's going to be able to like 0:52:51.239 --> 0:52:54.319 make that kind of like thing. But you can also 0:52:54.480 --> 0:52:57.440 end up with the happening and we all know how 0:52:57.560 --> 0:53:01.279 that went. Um. I enjoyed that film. You know what, 0:53:01.520 --> 0:53:04.480 You're not the only person who told me that. I 0:53:05.040 --> 0:53:08.080 actually never seen it. I asked to know, here's what 0:53:08.200 --> 0:53:10.359 I do with a lot of m Night Shumlans films now, 0:53:11.040 --> 0:53:14.120 I asked people with the twist start and it seems 0:53:14.480 --> 0:53:17.239 wild now and the only one that I've heard and 0:53:17.320 --> 0:53:19.400 been like, Okay, I have to see it is split 0:53:19.960 --> 0:53:23.359 Like I was like, oh oh that's oh, I gotta 0:53:23.440 --> 0:53:28.040 go every other one. I'm like, yeah, I'm good. I 0:53:28.200 --> 0:53:31.160 think that's because like that triggles that that just triggers 0:53:31.280 --> 0:53:36.399 the Marvel button. Man, I want that really to blow out, 0:53:36.600 --> 0:53:40.000 Like I need that whole universe just well, yeah, I 0:53:40.080 --> 0:53:43.359 need after credits for this next one. I'm coming out. 0:53:44.840 --> 0:53:47.239 Um but yeah, if god, there's so much to cover. 0:53:47.360 --> 0:53:50.640 We didn't tackle like most obviously we're not going to 0:53:50.680 --> 0:53:52.359 go through all of the episodes, but even the most 0:53:52.520 --> 0:53:55.359 iconic ones. Um, I think we named I would say 0:53:55.400 --> 0:53:57.440 time Enough at Last is most people. A lot of 0:53:57.480 --> 0:53:59.279 people say it's at least in their top five. It's 0:53:59.320 --> 0:54:01.680 one of the most onnic Wares where he steps on 0:54:01.760 --> 0:54:04.120 his glasses, which, by the way, um, I just want 0:54:04.120 --> 0:54:05.839 to correct a couple of things here. Everyone who thinks 0:54:05.880 --> 0:54:08.200 he's a librarian, he's not. He's a banker. Oh gosh, 0:54:08.239 --> 0:54:12.120 I'm like, actually, people. But another thing is that he uh, 0:54:12.480 --> 0:54:16.040 he just wants to read, and his wife is so 0:54:16.400 --> 0:54:19.799 and everyone in his life is so like rude to him. Um, 0:54:19.920 --> 0:54:23.439 and so they all die. Uh, and he's left alone 0:54:23.480 --> 0:54:25.440 because he went into a vault. He's left alone and 0:54:26.800 --> 0:54:28.720 to now he finally has time to read, he steps 0:54:28.760 --> 0:54:31.759 on his glasses. That's the end. I don't understand why 0:54:31.840 --> 0:54:34.800 that's everyone's favorite, because that man did not deserve that 0:54:34.920 --> 0:54:37.360 to happen. Typically like look at you know, it's so 0:54:37.440 --> 0:54:38.960 funny that everyone's like, yeah, and I love that. And 0:54:38.960 --> 0:54:40.520 then he stepped on his glasses and he was like 0:54:40.719 --> 0:54:42.520 then he didn't have any time, like you had all 0:54:42.560 --> 0:54:44.919 this time, but he can't read. He was like, yeah 0:54:45.080 --> 0:54:48.439 he was. He was bullied his whole life and then 0:54:48.840 --> 0:54:51.600 this and he's the only man left alive. And then 0:54:51.640 --> 0:54:54.359 he steps on his glass. Like it doesn't make sense. 0:54:54.440 --> 0:54:56.759 I mean it does. I love you Rod Certling, but um, 0:54:56.920 --> 0:54:58.880 it's funny to me that it's everyone's favorite when if 0:54:58.920 --> 0:55:01.040 you actually think of it, he wasn't the one that 0:55:01.080 --> 0:55:04.480 should have had that happen exactly. It's just like a 0:55:04.640 --> 0:55:07.719 kind of Stopwatch has a similar theme, where um, the 0:55:08.280 --> 0:55:11.279 ending has him breaking the stopwatch and the whole world 0:55:11.360 --> 0:55:13.839 is frozen. He's just stuck it like that from here 0:55:13.880 --> 0:55:15.960 on out. He previously had the ability to turn it 0:55:16.040 --> 0:55:18.800 on and off. But the minute to stop Watch breaks, 0:55:19.719 --> 0:55:23.400 he no longer is able to leave that universe. But 0:55:23.520 --> 0:55:25.600 the bigger thing about that was that he was ribbing 0:55:25.640 --> 0:55:28.480 a bank when it broke, so he totally deserved that. 0:55:28.520 --> 0:55:31.879 It's happening some like these things did at morals. Yeah, 0:55:33.120 --> 0:55:35.400 I mean, yeah, it's just so. But I guess what 0:55:35.800 --> 0:55:39.319 is more of the commentary is how unfair life is. Yeah, 0:55:39.560 --> 0:55:42.040 I think that's a commentary is even the good guy 0:55:42.080 --> 0:55:45.759 in the situation is getting screwed over? Um? So, yeah, 0:55:45.800 --> 0:55:47.560 we'll have to do another one of these where we 0:55:47.640 --> 0:55:50.120 can actually tackle. Maybe we'll have someone on and we'll 0:55:50.160 --> 0:55:51.920 kind of like debate and tackle some of our our 0:55:51.960 --> 0:55:54.480 favorite episodes because there's so much to cover. I definitely 0:55:54.600 --> 0:55:58.279 highly recommend the Twilight Zone companion. Um, there's just so 0:55:58.480 --> 0:56:02.759 much lore in history, but about each of these episodes 0:56:02.800 --> 0:56:06.640 and Rod Serling himself. Um yeah, but I think we 0:56:06.760 --> 0:56:10.000 have to tap out. Yeah, we have to hit that 0:56:10.120 --> 0:56:12.840 tap button. So where can people find you? Know? Um? So, 0:56:12.960 --> 0:56:15.479 the funny thing about screenwriting is that you actually can't 0:56:15.520 --> 0:56:18.560 say most of the things that you're working. So find 0:56:18.600 --> 0:56:20.719 me at like a coffee shop on its doing big 0:56:20.800 --> 0:56:25.640 things people bedlines and panicking American God. Season two is 0:56:26.000 --> 0:56:28.400 going to be out next year, so yeah, I appreciate that, 0:56:28.680 --> 0:56:31.399 and um yeah. Other than that, you can always find 0:56:31.440 --> 0:56:34.960 me at on Twitter at mellow Marketer and uh, you 0:56:35.040 --> 0:56:37.040 can find a lot of my work on the fanbros 0:56:37.080 --> 0:56:39.400 dot com as well. Oh nice, nice and you know 0:56:39.560 --> 0:56:43.160 me if you wid the way on Twitter and Instagram. 0:56:43.719 --> 0:56:45.400 I have y n W I D i w e 0:56:45.560 --> 0:56:48.800 if d's on Twitch, lots of hashtag nerd fam showing 0:56:48.920 --> 0:56:52.680 up dropping them Twitch Prime sums. I gotta thank you 0:56:52.719 --> 0:56:55.759 all for that, but keep listening. Also, we have a 0:56:55.840 --> 0:56:59.799 discord now have the official discord which you just mind 0:57:00.120 --> 0:57:03.080 court that I share with two other streamers, but we 0:57:03.160 --> 0:57:06.000 have a nerdificent chat where you can chat it up. 0:57:06.440 --> 0:57:08.920 I've had people come in the Twitch chat asked me 0:57:09.320 --> 0:57:12.399 to reserve a spot, but you only talking in there. 0:57:13.400 --> 0:57:16.680 Granted the last episode was just a movie that just 0:57:16.880 --> 0:57:20.280 came out spoiler, so you can't talk. But I'll see 0:57:20.320 --> 0:57:22.960 you in there after this episode. Tell us your favorite 0:57:23.000 --> 0:57:26.320 Twilight Zone apps please. I'm so I'm gonna have to 0:57:26.360 --> 0:57:28.480 like make uh yeah, I'll have to pop in there too, 0:57:28.680 --> 0:57:31.400 or like I know, for Infinity War, we made um 0:57:31.560 --> 0:57:34.720 on our notificent Twitter page. We made like a little 0:57:34.760 --> 0:57:36.360 group chat for all of us to kick out on 0:57:36.440 --> 0:57:38.280 Infinity War. So I might do that for twilight Zone 0:57:38.280 --> 0:57:42.160 because it's just so much to cover. And also just yeah, 0:57:42.320 --> 0:57:44.520 and and I guess we didn't. We didn't mention. I 0:57:44.600 --> 0:57:47.480 was like, and it's an anthology, meaning we didn't. We 0:57:47.640 --> 0:57:50.320 should have said that up top, meaning you can like 0:57:50.440 --> 0:57:53.800 watch any episode and they're not um you know, you 0:57:53.800 --> 0:57:55.520 don't have to watch them in order. What I was 0:57:55.560 --> 0:57:59.880 gonna say is, Hi, I'm Danny Fernandez at um MS, 0:58:00.080 --> 0:58:03.200 Danny Fernandez on all of the socials, and Iffie and 0:58:03.280 --> 0:58:06.760 I will be together on a couple of panels. I think, 0:58:06.840 --> 0:58:08.640 I know. At least we have a panel at four 0:58:08.760 --> 0:58:13.320 pm Friday at as at a San Diego Comic Con, 0:58:14.280 --> 0:58:18.040 which is this week. And check the Twitter because we're 0:58:18.080 --> 0:58:20.720 both posting all of our our comic con panels. And 0:58:20.800 --> 0:58:23.280 we have some cool merch now which you can get 0:58:23.320 --> 0:58:25.280 at te Public and you can also find us at 0:58:25.360 --> 0:58:28.800 comic con and we might give you a shirt yea yeah, 0:58:29.360 --> 0:58:33.760 whild supplies last, and of course before we head out 0:58:33.800 --> 0:58:35.439 of here, I want to shout out a couple of people. 0:58:35.440 --> 0:58:37.439 I want to shout out super producer and a host 0:58:38.120 --> 0:58:41.160 who has always uh elding our back. You know, Zach 0:58:41.240 --> 0:58:45.800 McKeever in the booth and our researchers Eaves check coat 0:58:46.320 --> 0:58:50.520 and Christopher Hasis. I don't know, we're not that close. Yeah, 0:58:50.560 --> 0:58:52.640 I can't call it. Chris, I don't know. Maybe we are. 0:58:52.960 --> 0:58:55.880 I'll email. All right, y'all, stay neary