1 00:00:01,760 --> 00:00:04,680 Speaker 1: Cool Zone Media. 2 00:00:05,040 --> 00:00:07,200 Speaker 2: Hello, and welcome to Cool People Who Did Cool Stuff? 3 00:00:07,320 --> 00:00:10,639 Speaker 2: Your podcast that's always about successful movements. I don't know 4 00:00:10,640 --> 00:00:14,600 Speaker 2: what you're talking about. I'm your host, Margaret Kiljoy, and 5 00:00:15,120 --> 00:00:17,239 Speaker 2: this week, not only am I going to talk about 6 00:00:17,280 --> 00:00:21,320 Speaker 2: successful movement, but I'm also going to talk to Courtney Cossack. Hi, 7 00:00:21,520 --> 00:00:22,480 Speaker 2: how are you hi? 8 00:00:22,600 --> 00:00:24,560 Speaker 3: Hello? I'm a successful movement. 9 00:00:26,440 --> 00:00:28,360 Speaker 2: I don't have any counter evidence to that. 10 00:00:28,640 --> 00:00:30,680 Speaker 3: No, trying to start a cult over here? 11 00:00:31,160 --> 00:00:33,960 Speaker 2: Okay, okay, well people want to start with the cult? 12 00:00:34,120 --> 00:00:36,320 Speaker 2: Could they start with private Parts unknown your podcast? 13 00:00:36,720 --> 00:00:39,880 Speaker 3: Yes, that would be a great place to start. Okay. 14 00:00:40,840 --> 00:00:44,680 Speaker 2: Also part of Courtney's cult, I mean. Also on this 15 00:00:44,720 --> 00:00:47,000 Speaker 2: podcast is Sophie. Hi, Sophie, how are you hi? 16 00:00:47,520 --> 00:00:48,199 Speaker 1: I volunteer. 17 00:00:50,120 --> 00:00:50,320 Speaker 4: I know. 18 00:00:50,360 --> 00:00:52,200 Speaker 2: I was like, I don't really know what's involved yet, 19 00:00:52,240 --> 00:00:53,600 Speaker 2: but I'm like, eh, I try. 20 00:00:53,600 --> 00:00:54,240 Speaker 3: I trust court. 21 00:00:54,440 --> 00:00:56,080 Speaker 2: I don't got anything better going on, you. 22 00:00:56,040 --> 00:00:57,800 Speaker 1: Know, Like I just feel like it'll be a good 23 00:00:57,800 --> 00:00:58,600 Speaker 1: time and I'll be fed. 24 00:00:58,600 --> 00:01:04,240 Speaker 3: Well. Yeah, I'm a great leader. Yeah. 25 00:01:04,440 --> 00:01:06,640 Speaker 2: Everyone should say hi to our audio engineer, Rory. 26 00:01:06,720 --> 00:01:06,840 Speaker 4: Hi. 27 00:01:06,920 --> 00:01:10,720 Speaker 2: Rory, Hi, Riight, Rory. Our theme musical was written forced 28 00:01:10,720 --> 00:01:14,120 Speaker 2: by unwoman, and believe it or not, I'm going to 29 00:01:14,160 --> 00:01:17,679 Speaker 2: cover people who won. That's not something I get to 30 00:01:17,680 --> 00:01:18,319 Speaker 2: do every week. 31 00:01:18,600 --> 00:01:21,520 Speaker 3: Dun dun du dun du du du du du dun du. 32 00:01:21,680 --> 00:01:21,960 Speaker 3: I know. 33 00:01:23,360 --> 00:01:26,520 Speaker 2: So we've covered art revolutionaries before on this show, and 34 00:01:26,560 --> 00:01:29,039 Speaker 2: we'll keep doing so because I like art revolutionaries. 35 00:01:29,240 --> 00:01:29,560 Speaker 4: I like that. 36 00:01:29,640 --> 00:01:31,440 Speaker 2: I like started off doing this research and I was like, 37 00:01:31,640 --> 00:01:33,880 Speaker 2: oh cool, I found even more cool, like weird anarchist 38 00:01:33,880 --> 00:01:36,200 Speaker 2: cerealists who oh wow, they like win and I'm really 39 00:01:36,240 --> 00:01:38,880 Speaker 2: excited about them. I'm gonna like go out on a limb. 40 00:01:39,240 --> 00:01:42,120 Speaker 2: Usually I try and hold the like reveal about what 41 00:01:42,160 --> 00:01:45,040 Speaker 2: it's about. I'm just gonna guess that neither of you 42 00:01:45,080 --> 00:01:47,000 Speaker 2: have heard of this, But I don't know. Are either 43 00:01:47,000 --> 00:01:50,840 Speaker 2: of you familiar with the Orange Alternative movement in Poland 44 00:01:50,880 --> 00:01:54,520 Speaker 2: in the nineteen eighties. No, nope, did either of you 45 00:01:54,680 --> 00:02:00,720 Speaker 2: know that hippie anarchists, surrealist artists where I really major 46 00:02:00,800 --> 00:02:08,840 Speaker 2: part in bringing down communist authoritarian governments. Interesting, Yeah, And 47 00:02:09,200 --> 00:02:11,520 Speaker 2: they didn't do it because they're like pro capitalists. They 48 00:02:11,520 --> 00:02:16,200 Speaker 2: are absolutely leftists. They just didn't like communist dictatorship and 49 00:02:16,400 --> 00:02:21,840 Speaker 2: lived in Poland the Orange Alternative Movement. So we've covered 50 00:02:22,280 --> 00:02:25,359 Speaker 2: comparable things and things that have inspired this movement. Before 51 00:02:25,600 --> 00:02:28,280 Speaker 2: we covered the cabouter movement in the Netherlands, which was 52 00:02:28,360 --> 00:02:32,160 Speaker 2: the anarchist pranksters who changed city life in the Netherlands 53 00:02:32,200 --> 00:02:35,360 Speaker 2: and the nineteen seventies, we covered the San Francisco Diggers 54 00:02:35,360 --> 00:02:38,799 Speaker 2: of the sixties, also anarchists who brought us whole wheat, 55 00:02:38,880 --> 00:02:41,240 Speaker 2: tied ie and about half of what's cool with hippies. 56 00:02:41,280 --> 00:02:43,400 Speaker 2: I'm not calling whole wheat or tied eye what's cool 57 00:02:43,440 --> 00:02:46,040 Speaker 2: about hippies, but I'm just including that as like two 58 00:02:46,080 --> 00:02:49,320 Speaker 2: of their big impacts. And we've covered the Surrealists and 59 00:02:49,360 --> 00:02:52,679 Speaker 2: the Dadaists who brought art into the war against fascism. 60 00:02:52,960 --> 00:02:55,639 Speaker 2: We covered the Dill Pickle Club that integrated nightlife in 61 00:02:55,720 --> 00:02:59,280 Speaker 2: Chicago in the nineteen tens, and today we're going to 62 00:02:59,320 --> 00:03:02,160 Speaker 2: cover a movement that was just as influential but is 63 00:03:02,200 --> 00:03:05,720 Speaker 2: basically not talked about in the English language. We're going 64 00:03:05,800 --> 00:03:08,800 Speaker 2: to talk about the Orange alternative movement of Poland, which 65 00:03:08,880 --> 00:03:13,080 Speaker 2: used what they called socialist surrealism or maybe sometimes Soviet surrealism. 66 00:03:13,080 --> 00:03:14,720 Speaker 2: I feel like I've seen it translated both ways, or 67 00:03:14,720 --> 00:03:16,480 Speaker 2: maybe it's Soviet surrealism and I wrote it wrong in 68 00:03:16,480 --> 00:03:21,960 Speaker 2: my script to challenge the authority of totalitarian communism. Along 69 00:03:22,040 --> 00:03:24,639 Speaker 2: the way, they're going to make a laughing stock out 70 00:03:24,639 --> 00:03:28,120 Speaker 2: of the authorities time and time again. They're also going 71 00:03:28,160 --> 00:03:32,200 Speaker 2: to dress up as gnomes. Sometimes it gets translated as dwarves, 72 00:03:32,200 --> 00:03:35,480 Speaker 2: and sometimes it gets translated as elves. But when I 73 00:03:35,520 --> 00:03:38,520 Speaker 2: picture like a short mythical creature from Europe with a 74 00:03:38,520 --> 00:03:41,760 Speaker 2: big pointy red hat, like, I go with gnome. What's 75 00:03:41,800 --> 00:03:42,960 Speaker 2: the word that you use for that? 76 00:03:44,000 --> 00:03:48,119 Speaker 3: I like gnomes. It's got a nice visual. Yeah, yeah, yeah. 77 00:03:48,440 --> 00:03:50,600 Speaker 2: Problem is I play so much dandy that gnome, elf 78 00:03:50,640 --> 00:03:55,240 Speaker 2: and dwarf are very distinct categories in my head. But 79 00:03:55,280 --> 00:03:57,720 Speaker 2: if you get into folklore, they are not distinct categories. 80 00:03:59,000 --> 00:04:01,000 Speaker 2: So they're gonna dress up as non they're going to 81 00:04:01,040 --> 00:04:03,840 Speaker 2: sing funny songs, and they're also going to do a 82 00:04:03,840 --> 00:04:05,600 Speaker 2: thing I really like, which is, for the first time 83 00:04:05,600 --> 00:04:07,440 Speaker 2: since the nineteen twenties, they are going to raise the 84 00:04:07,440 --> 00:04:11,880 Speaker 2: black flag of anarchism in a communist nation. And this 85 00:04:11,920 --> 00:04:16,440 Speaker 2: story is hard to tell, not emotionally, although I got 86 00:04:16,440 --> 00:04:19,360 Speaker 2: really invested, like way more than I expected while doing this. 87 00:04:19,800 --> 00:04:23,719 Speaker 2: But because there's only one book in English about this movement. 88 00:04:24,560 --> 00:04:27,440 Speaker 2: It is called Lives of the Orange Men by major 89 00:04:27,680 --> 00:04:32,640 Speaker 2: Waldemir Fiedrich. He's also the main character of the book 90 00:04:34,480 --> 00:04:39,200 Speaker 2: and a surrealist. So he's a surrealist. He's the author 91 00:04:39,240 --> 00:04:42,560 Speaker 2: of a Soviet surrealist manifesto. The whole book is written 92 00:04:42,600 --> 00:04:45,919 Speaker 2: as a series of like over the top glowing like 93 00:04:46,040 --> 00:04:49,479 Speaker 2: hay geographies of you know these the way that like 94 00:04:49,480 --> 00:04:53,680 Speaker 2: when Soviets write about Stalin or Lenin, you know, that's 95 00:04:53,720 --> 00:04:56,240 Speaker 2: the way he wrote about himself and all of his friends. 96 00:04:57,120 --> 00:05:02,040 Speaker 2: So it's hard to know so exactly everything that's true 97 00:05:02,040 --> 00:05:04,919 Speaker 2: in this story, and I, like, you know, compared it 98 00:05:04,960 --> 00:05:07,200 Speaker 2: to as many academic papers and other sources as I 99 00:05:07,240 --> 00:05:07,680 Speaker 2: could find. 100 00:05:07,800 --> 00:05:12,880 Speaker 4: Right, Okay, So when you say anarchist, like is the 101 00:05:12,960 --> 00:05:17,599 Speaker 4: ultimate end total chaos? Or is the ultimate end something else? 102 00:05:17,839 --> 00:05:21,360 Speaker 2: Oh, this is a really good question. So in this case, 103 00:05:21,760 --> 00:05:25,680 Speaker 2: it's a reference to a political movement that was around 104 00:05:25,720 --> 00:05:31,560 Speaker 2: since the eighteen sixties. It's basically socialism without an authoritarian 105 00:05:31,680 --> 00:05:36,400 Speaker 2: without a state, without so it's a horizontally organized system 106 00:05:36,520 --> 00:05:40,479 Speaker 2: of like distributing everything instead of a top down system. 107 00:05:40,800 --> 00:05:43,039 Speaker 2: And so it basically like anarchism gets such a bad 108 00:05:43,120 --> 00:05:45,840 Speaker 2: rap throughout the whole twentieth century that it now becomes 109 00:05:45,880 --> 00:05:48,560 Speaker 2: almost a word that's very hard to explain to people. 110 00:05:49,480 --> 00:05:52,719 Speaker 2: So he's an anti authoritarian socialist. 111 00:05:53,040 --> 00:05:55,080 Speaker 3: Okay, So, and has it ever worked? 112 00:05:56,360 --> 00:05:59,279 Speaker 2: I would say yes. Other people would argue otherwise. It 113 00:05:59,320 --> 00:06:03,919 Speaker 2: has worked like explicitly as an anarchist society in three 114 00:06:04,120 --> 00:06:07,279 Speaker 2: major times and places for several years with millions of people. 115 00:06:08,600 --> 00:06:12,560 Speaker 2: It worked in revolutionary Spain in Catalonia during the Spanish 116 00:06:12,560 --> 00:06:14,760 Speaker 2: Civil War from nineteen thirty six to nineteen thirty nine. 117 00:06:15,200 --> 00:06:19,279 Speaker 2: It worked in Ukraine, and actually we were talking beforehand 118 00:06:19,320 --> 00:06:21,839 Speaker 2: about the Cossacks, because that's just the thing I apparently 119 00:06:21,880 --> 00:06:24,360 Speaker 2: talk about with my guests before we start recording. And 120 00:06:25,279 --> 00:06:29,800 Speaker 2: a Cossack named Makno led a revolutionary movement in Ukraine 121 00:06:30,279 --> 00:06:34,160 Speaker 2: that was anarchistic, very intentionally specifically meant to be an 122 00:06:34,160 --> 00:06:37,919 Speaker 2: anarchist society for a couple of years, but unfortunately the 123 00:06:38,320 --> 00:06:41,960 Speaker 2: Bolsheviks came and killed them all. And in Spain they 124 00:06:42,120 --> 00:06:45,120 Speaker 2: a very similar thing happened were Stalin and the Fascists 125 00:06:45,279 --> 00:06:50,080 Speaker 2: essentially like combined forces, not actually but practically, they both 126 00:06:50,160 --> 00:06:54,040 Speaker 2: attacked the anarchist society and destroyed it. And then there's 127 00:06:54,080 --> 00:06:57,360 Speaker 2: another one that I know less about, in the Korean 128 00:06:57,360 --> 00:07:01,080 Speaker 2: People's Association of Manchuria that last also several years and 129 00:07:01,120 --> 00:07:04,080 Speaker 2: included a couple million people, and it was destroyed by 130 00:07:04,080 --> 00:07:07,600 Speaker 2: a combination of Mao's forces and Japanese imperial forces. So 131 00:07:08,560 --> 00:07:10,800 Speaker 2: the main reason that we don't know one way or 132 00:07:10,800 --> 00:07:13,960 Speaker 2: another about whether this like sort of anarchist communism has 133 00:07:14,040 --> 00:07:19,160 Speaker 2: worked historically or could work historically is that authoritarian left 134 00:07:19,520 --> 00:07:23,760 Speaker 2: and the authoritarian right have every single time both attacked it. 135 00:07:23,880 --> 00:07:28,640 Speaker 4: Right away, Okay, that was really helpful. I have to 136 00:07:28,680 --> 00:07:29,680 Speaker 4: say thank you so much. 137 00:07:29,920 --> 00:07:31,640 Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, yeah, no, no, this is unfortunately one of 138 00:07:31,680 --> 00:07:33,640 Speaker 2: my favorite things to talk about. And there's stuff now 139 00:07:33,720 --> 00:07:36,920 Speaker 2: that's like happening right now that is not anarchist in name, 140 00:07:37,000 --> 00:07:39,240 Speaker 2: but is very heavily inspired by anarchists that is working 141 00:07:39,640 --> 00:07:43,440 Speaker 2: in for example, northeastern Syria. They practice democratic con federalism, 142 00:07:43,480 --> 00:07:46,280 Speaker 2: which is inspired by anarchism, and it's a horizontal stateless 143 00:07:46,320 --> 00:07:49,320 Speaker 2: anti capitalist society. So anarchists really like it, right because 144 00:07:49,600 --> 00:07:52,080 Speaker 2: we don't care as much about names. We want people 145 00:07:52,080 --> 00:07:55,440 Speaker 2: to take care of each other and to be organized 146 00:07:55,440 --> 00:07:58,880 Speaker 2: with each other, but not in a way where like 147 00:07:59,120 --> 00:08:01,440 Speaker 2: people are running around making everyone do it or they 148 00:08:01,440 --> 00:08:06,840 Speaker 2: get shot. Yes, so yes, yeah, now that's a very 149 00:08:06,840 --> 00:08:11,240 Speaker 2: important question. Thanks for asking that upfront and overall, Right, 150 00:08:11,800 --> 00:08:15,520 Speaker 2: this story is not about anarchism. This is a story 151 00:08:15,560 --> 00:08:20,280 Speaker 2: about anarchist tactics being used in the struggle against a 152 00:08:20,320 --> 00:08:25,960 Speaker 2: communist dictatorship in coalition with this huge broad movement called Solidarity. 153 00:08:26,520 --> 00:08:31,080 Speaker 2: And I just didn't know about the anarchist surrealist element 154 00:08:31,120 --> 00:08:32,720 Speaker 2: of it. So I got really excited when I found 155 00:08:32,720 --> 00:08:34,040 Speaker 2: out about it. 156 00:08:34,040 --> 00:08:38,839 Speaker 4: It seems almost like the thing that you're describing taking down, 157 00:08:39,520 --> 00:08:41,520 Speaker 4: except the dictator parts. 158 00:08:41,679 --> 00:08:42,839 Speaker 3: That's the problematic part. 159 00:08:42,920 --> 00:08:45,520 Speaker 4: Right, they like the anarchists, like the communism, but they 160 00:08:45,520 --> 00:08:47,080 Speaker 4: don't like the dictator part. 161 00:08:48,120 --> 00:08:51,400 Speaker 2: Yeah. Overall, yeah, they like the They like what communism 162 00:08:51,400 --> 00:08:54,920 Speaker 2: could have been, right, but not what communism ever was 163 00:08:55,000 --> 00:08:56,719 Speaker 2: under Bolshevism basically. 164 00:08:56,480 --> 00:08:57,840 Speaker 3: Yeah, okay, beautiful. 165 00:08:58,280 --> 00:09:02,880 Speaker 2: Yeah, and so yeah, this book was written by someone 166 00:09:02,880 --> 00:09:07,920 Speaker 2: who's a surrealist and not always telling exactly the truth. 167 00:09:08,320 --> 00:09:10,760 Speaker 2: He has a lot of conversations with secret police throughout 168 00:09:10,800 --> 00:09:13,040 Speaker 2: this book that I'm like, I don't think this conversation happened, 169 00:09:13,080 --> 00:09:15,439 Speaker 2: but I don't know. It was just him and a 170 00:09:15,480 --> 00:09:16,800 Speaker 2: secret policeman talking. 171 00:09:16,880 --> 00:09:20,400 Speaker 3: So who knows a secret policeman named Mushrooms. 172 00:09:21,040 --> 00:09:25,400 Speaker 2: Yeah, totally. He smokes a lot of weed in this story. 173 00:09:27,880 --> 00:09:29,880 Speaker 2: And so this story I'm going to tell more than 174 00:09:29,920 --> 00:09:32,840 Speaker 2: I was expecting, is going to be surrealist in how 175 00:09:32,880 --> 00:09:35,760 Speaker 2: I tell it, because there's myth woven into here. But 176 00:09:36,440 --> 00:09:39,000 Speaker 2: it is a fascinating story. It is one hundred percent 177 00:09:39,080 --> 00:09:41,120 Speaker 2: cool people did cool stuff, and I have no reservations 178 00:09:41,160 --> 00:09:44,160 Speaker 2: about it at all. The Orange Alternative was cool as hell, 179 00:09:44,200 --> 00:09:46,360 Speaker 2: and I think we can learn a lot from them. 180 00:09:46,640 --> 00:09:50,120 Speaker 2: And it takes place in Poland, which famously nothing bad 181 00:09:50,120 --> 00:09:53,400 Speaker 2: has ever happened in Poland except for all the bad 182 00:09:53,440 --> 00:09:57,840 Speaker 2: stuff that happened, like when Hitler and Stalin made a 183 00:09:57,880 --> 00:10:00,880 Speaker 2: secret pact called the Malodav Ribbon trop packed and invaded 184 00:10:01,040 --> 00:10:04,560 Speaker 2: jointly at the start of World War Two. That was 185 00:10:04,600 --> 00:10:09,880 Speaker 2: really bad. But after the war, Stalin basically grabbed Poland, 186 00:10:10,520 --> 00:10:14,640 Speaker 2: ignoring the existing Polish government in exile in London, and 187 00:10:14,840 --> 00:10:17,240 Speaker 2: the USSR was like, Oh, don't worry, we'll let everyone 188 00:10:17,240 --> 00:10:20,840 Speaker 2: have free and independent elections, but they didn't do that. 189 00:10:21,720 --> 00:10:23,800 Speaker 2: Poland became part of the Communist Block as one of 190 00:10:23,800 --> 00:10:27,079 Speaker 2: the Soviet satellite states, kind of roughly the same as 191 00:10:27,120 --> 00:10:30,520 Speaker 2: like Czechoslovakia, East Germany, Bulgaria, all those places. That aren't 192 00:10:30,600 --> 00:10:34,600 Speaker 2: technically the USSR right, but they're in the USSR's power. 193 00:10:35,760 --> 00:10:38,800 Speaker 2: And folks in Poland never really liked the fact that 194 00:10:38,840 --> 00:10:42,280 Speaker 2: they lived under a communist dictatorship, and they kept fighting 195 00:10:42,880 --> 00:10:46,040 Speaker 2: from both the right and the left against their government, 196 00:10:46,679 --> 00:10:49,360 Speaker 2: and the government would ping pong back and forth between 197 00:10:49,400 --> 00:10:51,280 Speaker 2: like more like every now and then they'd be like, Okay, 198 00:10:51,320 --> 00:10:52,920 Speaker 2: we can kind of liberal up a little bit and 199 00:10:52,920 --> 00:10:55,200 Speaker 2: be a little bit more free as a society, and 200 00:10:55,200 --> 00:10:57,400 Speaker 2: then they would be like, no, wait, never mind, hardline 201 00:10:57,400 --> 00:10:59,360 Speaker 2: communist And they would just go back and forth about 202 00:10:59,360 --> 00:11:02,520 Speaker 2: that constantly, and they didn't have free and fair elections 203 00:11:02,559 --> 00:11:07,800 Speaker 2: until nineteen eighty nine. But that's Poland. And now we're 204 00:11:07,800 --> 00:11:11,199 Speaker 2: going to meet our hero, who is named Major Waldimir 205 00:11:11,480 --> 00:11:15,880 Speaker 2: Theodrich or Waldeck to his friends. In case you ever 206 00:11:15,920 --> 00:11:18,960 Speaker 2: needed to know what Waldeck is short for, it's short 207 00:11:18,960 --> 00:11:23,480 Speaker 2: for Waldemre. He was born on April eighth, nineteen fifty three, 208 00:11:23,800 --> 00:11:26,480 Speaker 2: about a month after Joseph Stalin did the best thing 209 00:11:26,520 --> 00:11:31,719 Speaker 2: that he ever did, which was die my people to 210 00:11:31,800 --> 00:11:33,880 Speaker 2: figure if you've listened to my show enough, you know 211 00:11:33,920 --> 00:11:36,680 Speaker 2: that I'm not a big fan, not a big Stalin girl. 212 00:11:36,760 --> 00:11:42,520 Speaker 2: Oh really, yeah, no, it secrets out. Waldeck was born 213 00:11:42,559 --> 00:11:44,560 Speaker 2: in Poland. If you ever have been to Poland, I 214 00:11:44,600 --> 00:11:46,160 Speaker 2: haven't been to Poland. I have a bunch of friends 215 00:11:46,160 --> 00:11:47,480 Speaker 2: from Poland, but I've never been there. 216 00:11:47,880 --> 00:11:49,480 Speaker 3: No, I would like to go. 217 00:11:49,559 --> 00:11:53,319 Speaker 4: I've never been anywhere in Eastern Europe. 218 00:11:53,040 --> 00:11:57,319 Speaker 2: I've only been to Bulgaria. In Eastern Europe, I liked it, 219 00:11:57,800 --> 00:12:00,880 Speaker 2: but I haven't been to Poland. There was more in 220 00:12:00,880 --> 00:12:04,160 Speaker 2: a city called torn And. As a little kid, he 221 00:12:04,240 --> 00:12:06,679 Speaker 2: was weird, but in a good way. I feel like 222 00:12:06,720 --> 00:12:08,800 Speaker 2: we're gonna have to like start defending the word weird again. 223 00:12:08,840 --> 00:12:10,640 Speaker 2: I'm totally fine with using it against the right wing 224 00:12:10,640 --> 00:12:12,960 Speaker 2: when they're acting really weird. But obviously there's both good 225 00:12:12,960 --> 00:12:13,839 Speaker 2: weird and bad weird. 226 00:12:14,160 --> 00:12:17,800 Speaker 3: Agreed, Yes, I'm weird and they are very weird. 227 00:12:18,400 --> 00:12:21,440 Speaker 2: Yeah, exactly exactly. I'm saying this is a weird person, 228 00:12:21,480 --> 00:12:26,680 Speaker 2: but then those before weird. Waldeck figured he'd wind up 229 00:12:26,720 --> 00:12:29,920 Speaker 2: a priest, but not like a boring existing god, but 230 00:12:30,000 --> 00:12:32,480 Speaker 2: to a new one he'd make up as when he's 231 00:12:32,480 --> 00:12:35,280 Speaker 2: a little kid. By the time he's in high school, 232 00:12:35,320 --> 00:12:37,959 Speaker 2: he founded a secret society called the Union of Bacchus 233 00:12:38,880 --> 00:12:41,880 Speaker 2: and has helped its members get fake doctor's notes to 234 00:12:41,920 --> 00:12:45,240 Speaker 2: get out of class, and they held secret movie screenings 235 00:12:45,240 --> 00:12:47,200 Speaker 2: of foreign films in the basement. And since they're in 236 00:12:47,200 --> 00:12:49,720 Speaker 2: a like Soviet block country, right and getting a foreign 237 00:12:49,720 --> 00:12:53,360 Speaker 2: film is a big deal. He went off to a 238 00:12:53,360 --> 00:12:56,400 Speaker 2: technical college that was run in a military fashion, and 239 00:12:56,440 --> 00:12:58,599 Speaker 2: so everyone had to wear uniforms of green berets. No 240 00:12:58,640 --> 00:13:00,440 Speaker 2: one was allowed to have a beard, and he couldn't 241 00:13:00,440 --> 00:13:03,960 Speaker 2: have long hair. So we wanted to rebel, so he 242 00:13:04,000 --> 00:13:05,880 Speaker 2: shaved his head completely and he was like, oh, it 243 00:13:05,960 --> 00:13:08,520 Speaker 2: is totally gonna spread everyone to shave their heads. He 244 00:13:08,600 --> 00:13:09,880 Speaker 2: was the only one who did it. It did not 245 00:13:09,920 --> 00:13:12,120 Speaker 2: start a movement, and everyone just started calling him baldy. 246 00:13:13,559 --> 00:13:15,599 Speaker 2: Then he went off to university. If you ask me 247 00:13:15,640 --> 00:13:18,760 Speaker 2: the difference between technical college and university in Poland in 248 00:13:19,120 --> 00:13:22,720 Speaker 2: nineteen sixties, I do not know the answer. But he 249 00:13:22,760 --> 00:13:25,040 Speaker 2: went off to university and he grew his hair and 250 00:13:25,040 --> 00:13:28,040 Speaker 2: his beard long, and he became a theater kid, which 251 00:13:28,080 --> 00:13:31,319 Speaker 2: is another common trope on this show. 252 00:13:31,760 --> 00:13:34,640 Speaker 3: That's hilarious, Like a welder and a theater kid. 253 00:13:35,360 --> 00:13:39,360 Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, Well, I think the technical college, I don't 254 00:13:39,400 --> 00:13:41,440 Speaker 2: even know whether it was like technical college to like, 255 00:13:42,120 --> 00:13:45,080 Speaker 2: I don't even know what they trained him in. I'm 256 00:13:45,120 --> 00:13:48,280 Speaker 2: like annoyed at a lot about what I have available 257 00:13:48,280 --> 00:13:49,240 Speaker 2: to me about this story. 258 00:13:49,960 --> 00:13:52,600 Speaker 3: Singing and dancing for sure, Yeah. 259 00:13:52,280 --> 00:13:56,319 Speaker 2: Yeah, he absolutely is learning those. And when he's off 260 00:13:56,400 --> 00:13:58,839 Speaker 2: in theater kids' school while he's in university and is 261 00:13:58,840 --> 00:14:02,079 Speaker 2: a theater kid at the school, everyone is really paranoid, 262 00:14:02,200 --> 00:14:04,080 Speaker 2: right because they live in a communist country, and so 263 00:14:04,080 --> 00:14:06,439 Speaker 2: there are these things called rubber ears, which is slang 264 00:14:06,520 --> 00:14:09,000 Speaker 2: for secret informants, and they're like, every class has a 265 00:14:09,080 --> 00:14:11,840 Speaker 2: rubber ear in it. One of your students is an informant. 266 00:14:11,960 --> 00:14:13,600 Speaker 2: It's going to turn you into the party if you 267 00:14:13,640 --> 00:14:17,200 Speaker 2: say and do the wrong things right, And Waldeck like 268 00:14:17,960 --> 00:14:22,520 Speaker 2: never stops being paranoid about this, which is fair because 269 00:14:22,520 --> 00:14:23,760 Speaker 2: it's also true. 270 00:14:24,400 --> 00:14:27,080 Speaker 3: Yeah, I would be so paranoid, Are you kidding me? 271 00:14:27,240 --> 00:14:30,480 Speaker 2: Yeah? Yeah, But he becomes kind of like obsessed with 272 00:14:30,520 --> 00:14:32,600 Speaker 2: the rubber ears. He like gets really excited when he 273 00:14:32,880 --> 00:14:35,680 Speaker 2: meets one. You know, he's like, I found a rubber ear. 274 00:14:35,720 --> 00:14:37,120 Speaker 2: And he's like always trying to figure out who's a 275 00:14:37,160 --> 00:14:40,600 Speaker 2: cop or not, which really fucks with his personal life. 276 00:14:40,680 --> 00:14:43,480 Speaker 2: He is a wild anti state rebel. Soon enough, he 277 00:14:43,600 --> 00:14:45,920 Speaker 2: runs a student radio show and he makes fun of 278 00:14:45,920 --> 00:14:50,640 Speaker 2: communist propaganda on the show. The problem is the state 279 00:14:50,720 --> 00:14:53,520 Speaker 2: paid for the radio station, and so not only did 280 00:14:53,520 --> 00:14:56,560 Speaker 2: they shut down his show, they shut down the entire 281 00:14:56,640 --> 00:15:01,280 Speaker 2: radio station. About this time, he wrote a cliche that 282 00:15:01,320 --> 00:15:03,200 Speaker 2: when I first read this as a footnote and I 283 00:15:03,240 --> 00:15:05,800 Speaker 2: like post as social media, being like, check about this thing, 284 00:15:06,080 --> 00:15:08,560 Speaker 2: everyone I know who's like from a Soviet bloc country 285 00:15:08,720 --> 00:15:10,560 Speaker 2: was like, oh yeah, yeah, no, we grew up knowing this. 286 00:15:10,560 --> 00:15:12,840 Speaker 2: This is not a like a wal deckism. This is 287 00:15:12,920 --> 00:15:15,520 Speaker 2: just a thing you grow up knowing, which is quote, 288 00:15:16,240 --> 00:15:21,040 Speaker 2: Communism must always be understood as mathematically inverse to capitalism. 289 00:15:21,440 --> 00:15:25,720 Speaker 2: In capitalism, a man is exploited by another man, and 290 00:15:25,760 --> 00:15:31,200 Speaker 2: in communism it's the other way around. Wait what okay, 291 00:15:31,200 --> 00:15:33,400 Speaker 2: so the same thing? No, no, no, it's okay. So 292 00:15:33,800 --> 00:15:36,720 Speaker 2: in capitalism man is exploited by man, but in communism 293 00:15:36,760 --> 00:15:39,480 Speaker 2: it's the other way around. Man is exploited by a man. 294 00:15:40,080 --> 00:15:42,280 Speaker 3: Same, they're both bad. Okay. 295 00:15:42,440 --> 00:15:45,960 Speaker 2: Yes, that is the argument that is being made, and 296 00:15:46,000 --> 00:15:48,400 Speaker 2: I like it too, right because like I feel like 297 00:15:48,480 --> 00:15:50,560 Speaker 2: a lot of people have forgotten, the modern left is 298 00:15:50,600 --> 00:15:55,160 Speaker 2: sort of forgotten what the Soviet block eras were like 299 00:15:55,400 --> 00:15:56,200 Speaker 2: for people, Right. 300 00:15:56,240 --> 00:15:58,640 Speaker 3: Yeah, like the super bad parts of communism. 301 00:15:59,360 --> 00:16:02,360 Speaker 2: Yeah, all the authoritarianism is not so good. And everyone 302 00:16:02,360 --> 00:16:04,480 Speaker 2: who grew up in it, like or everyone I've ever 303 00:16:04,480 --> 00:16:06,640 Speaker 2: met it grew up in it, sure isn't happy about it. 304 00:16:07,000 --> 00:16:09,120 Speaker 2: But it doesn't mean that they were all like, and 305 00:16:09,160 --> 00:16:11,680 Speaker 2: therefore we love capitalism. They might be like, therefore we 306 00:16:11,720 --> 00:16:15,720 Speaker 2: love blue jeans and you know, soda and choice and 307 00:16:15,920 --> 00:16:20,360 Speaker 2: music and things like that. Right, And somewhere along this way, 308 00:16:20,400 --> 00:16:23,560 Speaker 2: I don't know exactly when Waldeck starts identifying explicitly as 309 00:16:23,560 --> 00:16:27,080 Speaker 2: an anarchist. In this long tradition of you know, anti 310 00:16:27,080 --> 00:16:32,000 Speaker 2: state leftism, he spent more time scrawling anti government graffiti 311 00:16:32,000 --> 00:16:34,880 Speaker 2: and bathrooms than he did studying. So soon enough they're 312 00:16:34,880 --> 00:16:37,160 Speaker 2: going to kick him out school because he sucks at school. 313 00:16:37,360 --> 00:16:40,240 Speaker 2: So he transfers to go to a different school, and 314 00:16:40,280 --> 00:16:43,280 Speaker 2: he moves to a city called vrote Swaff, which I 315 00:16:43,320 --> 00:16:46,920 Speaker 2: have always, for my entire life believed was pronounced roe 316 00:16:47,040 --> 00:16:50,520 Speaker 2: Claw because it looks like roe Claw. But it's a 317 00:16:50,640 --> 00:16:54,080 Speaker 2: rote Swaff. So if I get it wrong elsewhere throughout 318 00:16:54,080 --> 00:16:57,680 Speaker 2: the script, I am sorry, my Polish friends. But for many, 319 00:16:57,720 --> 00:17:01,080 Speaker 2: many years I have read about this city and had 320 00:17:01,080 --> 00:17:03,680 Speaker 2: an assumption about how to pronounce it, because most Polish 321 00:17:03,760 --> 00:17:09,080 Speaker 2: things are pronounced like they look anyway whatever. In Froutz Swaff, 322 00:17:09,400 --> 00:17:13,119 Speaker 2: he found his people because these theater kids they go 323 00:17:13,400 --> 00:17:16,720 Speaker 2: hard and not just like politically like he cares about that, 324 00:17:16,800 --> 00:17:20,040 Speaker 2: but they go hard as like weirdo artists. They are 325 00:17:20,040 --> 00:17:23,000 Speaker 2: not afraid of being controversial and critical. And when you 326 00:17:23,000 --> 00:17:26,200 Speaker 2: would come into class, they would black out the windows 327 00:17:26,240 --> 00:17:28,760 Speaker 2: and take your watch away, so you have no sense 328 00:17:28,800 --> 00:17:33,240 Speaker 2: of time, so you're truly with the moment. Either of 329 00:17:33,280 --> 00:17:37,200 Speaker 2: you do theater. I never did theater, but I yes, sadly. 330 00:17:37,520 --> 00:17:42,760 Speaker 2: I mean, I'm recovered, not well. What was your Sophie, Sorry, 331 00:17:42,760 --> 00:17:47,040 Speaker 2: I didn't here well okay. 332 00:17:47,080 --> 00:17:49,240 Speaker 4: I thought you were saying I did not recover well, 333 00:17:49,240 --> 00:17:53,520 Speaker 4: and I was like, that's also true. 334 00:17:54,119 --> 00:17:56,800 Speaker 2: I couldn't do theater because my siblings did theater and 335 00:17:56,800 --> 00:17:59,080 Speaker 2: I had to be different from them, like aggressively. 336 00:17:59,440 --> 00:18:01,560 Speaker 1: You know, I do feel some joy that my older 337 00:18:01,560 --> 00:18:03,880 Speaker 1: brother had to sit through all my bad theater camps 338 00:18:03,920 --> 00:18:06,040 Speaker 1: as a kid. We had to go see the final 339 00:18:06,080 --> 00:18:07,960 Speaker 1: play at the end of camp. I do feel joy 340 00:18:07,960 --> 00:18:08,399 Speaker 1: about that. 341 00:18:11,680 --> 00:18:14,440 Speaker 2: And so now that he's this particular kind of theater kid, 342 00:18:14,800 --> 00:18:16,879 Speaker 2: he's you know, he's growing his hair longer and longer 343 00:18:16,960 --> 00:18:19,960 Speaker 2: his beard, and he's growing weed that was smuggled in 344 00:18:20,480 --> 00:18:22,920 Speaker 2: as seeds from behind the Iron Curtain. And so all 345 00:18:22,920 --> 00:18:26,480 Speaker 2: the like hippies are growing weed in their in their houses, 346 00:18:26,800 --> 00:18:28,960 Speaker 2: and there's this tension that keeps happening where you kind 347 00:18:28,960 --> 00:18:31,440 Speaker 2: of you sort of kind of need to pick whether 348 00:18:31,480 --> 00:18:33,680 Speaker 2: you're a political radical or going to grow weed. 349 00:18:34,320 --> 00:18:36,080 Speaker 3: You know, why can't you be both? 350 00:18:36,720 --> 00:18:38,960 Speaker 2: Because they like raiding your house when you're a radical. 351 00:18:39,359 --> 00:18:41,000 Speaker 2: Oh and then if you find weed, you're in like 352 00:18:41,040 --> 00:18:43,800 Speaker 2: extra trouble. This didn't stop a lot of people, but 353 00:18:43,840 --> 00:18:45,600 Speaker 2: it caused a lot of tension because they would go 354 00:18:45,600 --> 00:18:48,199 Speaker 2: to these like weed smoking parties and then everyone be like, no, 355 00:18:48,200 --> 00:18:49,879 Speaker 2: we can't get too political because we can't get the 356 00:18:49,920 --> 00:18:52,439 Speaker 2: secret police on us because we want to keep doing drugs. 357 00:18:53,840 --> 00:18:56,399 Speaker 3: I love the tension, I know, I know. 358 00:18:57,320 --> 00:18:59,280 Speaker 2: And when the hippies first showed up in Poland, you know, 359 00:18:59,320 --> 00:19:00,480 Speaker 2: this is a little bit late, right, this is the 360 00:19:00,520 --> 00:19:03,600 Speaker 2: late seventies intead of late sixties. And at first the 361 00:19:03,600 --> 00:19:07,879 Speaker 2: communist authorities are really happy about this new thing. Because 362 00:19:08,280 --> 00:19:10,880 Speaker 2: the American hippies are anti capitalists. They're like, ah, they'll 363 00:19:10,920 --> 00:19:14,879 Speaker 2: be good communists, right, But the Polish hippies were against 364 00:19:14,880 --> 00:19:20,159 Speaker 2: the communist regime. So eventually the communist authorities were like, Okay, 365 00:19:20,240 --> 00:19:22,360 Speaker 2: we're going to demonize the hippies, just like the West does. 366 00:19:23,320 --> 00:19:26,639 Speaker 2: But another thing that the West does really well is 367 00:19:26,880 --> 00:19:32,760 Speaker 2: interrupt podcasts to talk about products and services like these ones. 368 00:19:33,520 --> 00:19:42,800 Speaker 3: Yay, and we're back. 369 00:19:44,359 --> 00:19:46,960 Speaker 2: So when I say they were oppressed by cops, Poland 370 00:19:46,960 --> 00:19:51,920 Speaker 2: didn't have cops because cops is capitalist, bourgeoise stuff, right. 371 00:19:52,840 --> 00:19:56,000 Speaker 2: They had the people's militia. It's the same thing. It 372 00:19:56,040 --> 00:19:58,240 Speaker 2: is literally the same thing. They have cops. They just 373 00:19:58,280 --> 00:19:59,880 Speaker 2: don't call them cops because that has a bad kind 374 00:19:59,880 --> 00:20:01,720 Speaker 2: of They just call it a militia. 375 00:20:02,000 --> 00:20:04,640 Speaker 3: I think a militia has a worse connotation for. 376 00:20:04,760 --> 00:20:10,920 Speaker 2: In the usity. Yeah, like they're going neck and neck here. Yeah, 377 00:20:11,160 --> 00:20:14,120 Speaker 2: it is functionally identical to cops. Veteran of the pod 378 00:20:14,200 --> 00:20:17,320 Speaker 2: Mikhail Bakunin put it back in eighteen seventy three, when 379 00:20:17,359 --> 00:20:20,119 Speaker 2: the people are being beaten by a stick, they are 380 00:20:20,160 --> 00:20:22,679 Speaker 2: not much happier if it is called the people's stick. 381 00:20:23,960 --> 00:20:24,840 Speaker 3: Nice. 382 00:20:25,119 --> 00:20:26,960 Speaker 2: Yeah, I like that quote. I was really excited to 383 00:20:27,000 --> 00:20:28,480 Speaker 2: get to that. I actually in my head I thought 384 00:20:28,520 --> 00:20:30,960 Speaker 2: I remember that as an oral wal quote, it wasn't. 385 00:20:32,359 --> 00:20:35,560 Speaker 2: And so starting about thee I think nineteen seventy six, 386 00:20:36,600 --> 00:20:39,000 Speaker 2: life is getting really hard in Poland. The economy is 387 00:20:39,000 --> 00:20:42,000 Speaker 2: starting to crash a little bit. The cost of basic 388 00:20:42,200 --> 00:20:45,320 Speaker 2: living is going up and up. Communism doesn't actually really 389 00:20:45,359 --> 00:20:48,800 Speaker 2: distribute lots of stuff for free, and so communism is 390 00:20:48,800 --> 00:20:53,080 Speaker 2: increasingly unpopular. People are unhappy about the people's stick. Sugar 391 00:20:53,160 --> 00:20:55,560 Speaker 2: is being rationed, the cost of meat is going up, 392 00:20:56,080 --> 00:20:59,919 Speaker 2: and to quote Waldeck, a student who'd been distributing handbill 393 00:21:00,240 --> 00:21:05,520 Speaker 2: in Crackow died there in extremely suspicious circumstances. The secret 394 00:21:05,520 --> 00:21:08,480 Speaker 2: police were held responsible for his death, and a revolt 395 00:21:08,680 --> 00:21:12,960 Speaker 2: broke out at the university. Oh shit, and this is like, 396 00:21:14,080 --> 00:21:19,439 Speaker 2: you don't have protest movements in communist bloc countries. You know, 397 00:21:19,920 --> 00:21:22,080 Speaker 2: this is a huge deal. 398 00:21:22,600 --> 00:21:25,080 Speaker 3: Did they dress it up like a theater flash mob? 399 00:21:25,920 --> 00:21:26,120 Speaker 1: Oh? 400 00:21:26,119 --> 00:21:27,560 Speaker 2: That's basically what I'm going to talk about for the 401 00:21:27,600 --> 00:21:30,360 Speaker 2: next two hours is that doesn't happen yet, but once 402 00:21:30,400 --> 00:21:33,919 Speaker 2: the artists get involved, that is absolutely what's going to happen. Okay, 403 00:21:34,040 --> 00:21:37,040 Speaker 2: can't wait. If flash mobs could bring down a government, 404 00:21:37,200 --> 00:21:40,639 Speaker 2: that's what this story is about. So I'm glad you 405 00:21:40,760 --> 00:21:45,080 Speaker 2: called it, and so this revolt breaks out, and it's 406 00:21:45,119 --> 00:21:46,960 Speaker 2: here that we have to talk about the main group. 407 00:21:47,000 --> 00:21:49,000 Speaker 2: When people talk about I know, it's a big thing. 408 00:21:49,080 --> 00:21:50,480 Speaker 2: You go to a party and people are like, oh, 409 00:21:50,600 --> 00:21:53,520 Speaker 2: let's talk about the social movement that brought down the 410 00:21:53,560 --> 00:21:56,199 Speaker 2: Polish Communist government in nineteen eighty nine. It's like a 411 00:21:56,280 --> 00:21:59,560 Speaker 2: thing that comes up a lot, right, And usually when 412 00:21:59,560 --> 00:22:02,960 Speaker 2: people talk about Polish opposition to Communism, they talk about 413 00:22:02,960 --> 00:22:06,800 Speaker 2: a trade union called Solidarity, and this is the first 414 00:22:06,840 --> 00:22:09,719 Speaker 2: independent trade union in the Soviet Bloc, or rather as 415 00:22:09,760 --> 00:22:12,640 Speaker 2: the first legally recognized trade union. All the others were 416 00:22:12,760 --> 00:22:17,080 Speaker 2: entirely illegal, where Solidarity was only mostly illegal, And the 417 00:22:17,080 --> 00:22:19,040 Speaker 2: fact that it managed to be mostly legal instead of 418 00:22:19,040 --> 00:22:22,239 Speaker 2: totally illegal was because it had ten million members by 419 00:22:22,320 --> 00:22:23,120 Speaker 2: nineteen eighty one. 420 00:22:23,520 --> 00:22:26,479 Speaker 3: Damn, Can I ask what's illegal about it? 421 00:22:27,320 --> 00:22:29,239 Speaker 2: You're just not allowed to have a trade union that 422 00:22:29,560 --> 00:22:34,600 Speaker 2: within the communists countries, the state controls trade unions, gotcha. 423 00:22:34,680 --> 00:22:37,439 Speaker 4: Yeah, so they are in charge of just everything, so 424 00:22:37,520 --> 00:22:40,080 Speaker 4: you can't like have these separate groups. 425 00:22:40,600 --> 00:22:44,560 Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, pretty much, especially since they perceived themselves as 426 00:22:44,680 --> 00:22:49,200 Speaker 2: a leftist government. They are like, no, we're your trade union, right, 427 00:22:49,520 --> 00:22:54,480 Speaker 2: you know, we are everything. But in Poland, by nineteen 428 00:22:54,480 --> 00:22:57,840 Speaker 2: eighty one, after only a year of its existence, solidarity 429 00:22:57,880 --> 00:23:00,080 Speaker 2: is running around with a third of the adult population 430 00:23:00,160 --> 00:23:03,840 Speaker 2: of the country. So they have to be reckoned with 431 00:23:04,000 --> 00:23:07,720 Speaker 2: and it's hard to completely illegalize something that a third 432 00:23:07,760 --> 00:23:10,560 Speaker 2: of the people are trying to do. And what's really 433 00:23:10,560 --> 00:23:14,480 Speaker 2: confusing about this time wise is that I can look 434 00:23:14,520 --> 00:23:17,159 Speaker 2: and know exactly when solidarity started. It started in August 435 00:23:17,240 --> 00:23:20,920 Speaker 2: nineteen eighty because a woman named Anna Volantinowitz was fired 436 00:23:20,920 --> 00:23:23,440 Speaker 2: from a shipyard for being part of an illegal trade union, 437 00:23:23,600 --> 00:23:26,679 Speaker 2: right because she was unionizing, and so she was fired, 438 00:23:26,760 --> 00:23:30,080 Speaker 2: and then the rest of her crew went on strike, right, 439 00:23:30,119 --> 00:23:32,400 Speaker 2: and then they managed to form this other union and 440 00:23:32,440 --> 00:23:35,679 Speaker 2: it blew up and became this big thing. But now 441 00:23:35,720 --> 00:23:38,200 Speaker 2: I get really annoyingly confused because now in nineteen seventy nine, 442 00:23:38,200 --> 00:23:41,240 Speaker 2: a year before that, there's something called the Solidarity student 443 00:23:41,240 --> 00:23:44,200 Speaker 2: committees that are forming and the author is like, and 444 00:23:44,240 --> 00:23:48,000 Speaker 2: they're part of solidarity, but they can't be solidator whatever. 445 00:23:48,200 --> 00:23:52,119 Speaker 2: It's just history books don't always make sense, okay, or 446 00:23:52,119 --> 00:23:56,439 Speaker 2: they're not always entirely accurate. The students all over the 447 00:23:56,480 --> 00:24:00,480 Speaker 2: country because a student has died form solidarity student committees 448 00:24:00,680 --> 00:24:04,200 Speaker 2: at universities to try and do something about the fact 449 00:24:04,240 --> 00:24:06,880 Speaker 2: that a student has been killed for passing out handbills. 450 00:24:08,280 --> 00:24:11,280 Speaker 2: They start setting up groups. This is a big deal. 451 00:24:11,400 --> 00:24:13,560 Speaker 2: I keep saying this, but it's just it's such a 452 00:24:13,560 --> 00:24:15,600 Speaker 2: big deal. This happening stuff that we really take for 453 00:24:15,600 --> 00:24:18,280 Speaker 2: granted in the US. Obviously, like in the US, student 454 00:24:18,320 --> 00:24:20,639 Speaker 2: movements also get attacked by police, right, but we have 455 00:24:20,680 --> 00:24:23,680 Speaker 2: to like pretend that they did something illegal first, right, 456 00:24:23,800 --> 00:24:26,080 Speaker 2: you know, like beyond the lawn. Never mind if I 457 00:24:26,119 --> 00:24:28,200 Speaker 2: said this a year ago, I've had entirely different ways 458 00:24:28,240 --> 00:24:32,960 Speaker 2: of talking about this. And in Rhodeswaft at the cathedral, 459 00:24:33,160 --> 00:24:36,080 Speaker 2: a handful of students showed up to protest, and the 460 00:24:36,119 --> 00:24:38,919 Speaker 2: protest organizers are like terrified. They're like, this is to 461 00:24:38,920 --> 00:24:42,520 Speaker 2: be so low key and non confrontational, you guys, it's 462 00:24:42,560 --> 00:24:44,840 Speaker 2: still the first protest the city is seen in decades, 463 00:24:44,960 --> 00:24:47,600 Speaker 2: so they're like, we really got to play this simple. 464 00:24:48,640 --> 00:24:51,679 Speaker 2: But the people who were there, including Waldeck, broke from 465 00:24:51,720 --> 00:24:54,480 Speaker 2: the organizer's wishes and they went wild. And by that 466 00:24:54,600 --> 00:24:57,719 Speaker 2: I mean they marched to a big landmark statue and 467 00:24:57,760 --> 00:25:01,720 Speaker 2: someone read out one of the handbills to the crowd ooh, 468 00:25:01,760 --> 00:25:07,480 Speaker 2: and this blew everyone's minds. Soon enough, the opposition movement 469 00:25:07,480 --> 00:25:10,240 Speaker 2: at this university was huge. About half of the faculty. 470 00:25:10,359 --> 00:25:14,040 Speaker 2: We're in on these like secret meetings, which also meant 471 00:25:14,080 --> 00:25:16,560 Speaker 2: that the secret police are in on it. They're infiltrating, 472 00:25:16,720 --> 00:25:20,520 Speaker 2: they're arresting people, they're raiding people's dorms and houses and 473 00:25:20,560 --> 00:25:24,560 Speaker 2: things like that. Right, and there's this supposedly revolutionary group 474 00:25:24,720 --> 00:25:27,679 Speaker 2: in Routswaff that sets up an organization to be like, 475 00:25:28,040 --> 00:25:29,639 Speaker 2: we're going to take this further, We're going to have 476 00:25:29,680 --> 00:25:33,760 Speaker 2: a revolution. And in order to be super serious, they 477 00:25:33,800 --> 00:25:36,840 Speaker 2: need to do something that seems very obvious. They forbid 478 00:25:36,880 --> 00:25:41,840 Speaker 2: women from coming to this secret revolutionary organization because, after all, 479 00:25:42,320 --> 00:25:45,200 Speaker 2: the men will be distracted if there's women there. 480 00:25:45,480 --> 00:25:48,440 Speaker 4: Yes, and they'll get their periods everywhere and all kinds 481 00:25:48,480 --> 00:25:48,879 Speaker 4: of stuff. 482 00:25:48,880 --> 00:25:49,679 Speaker 3: It's dangerous. 483 00:25:50,000 --> 00:25:52,840 Speaker 2: Yeah, they're just too emotional. It just won't work, you know. 484 00:25:54,400 --> 00:25:56,879 Speaker 2: So Waldeck is actually part of forming this, but he 485 00:25:57,040 --> 00:25:59,480 Speaker 2: like isn't the leader of it, and he writes about 486 00:25:59,480 --> 00:26:01,200 Speaker 2: it kind of right away, being like fuck, what the 487 00:26:01,240 --> 00:26:04,560 Speaker 2: hell is this shit? Like, you know, but when I 488 00:26:04,640 --> 00:26:06,480 Speaker 2: first read it, I was like, God, damn it is 489 00:26:06,520 --> 00:26:07,879 Speaker 2: this gonna be it? Because there's this thing that happens 490 00:26:07,880 --> 00:26:09,080 Speaker 2: a lot on the show where I'll read about a 491 00:26:09,119 --> 00:26:11,879 Speaker 2: man and then he like sucks, he's a misogynist. Like 492 00:26:11,920 --> 00:26:13,920 Speaker 2: I get halfway through the book and then he's a misogynist. 493 00:26:13,960 --> 00:26:16,200 Speaker 2: I'm like, fuck him, it's too late. I can't change 494 00:26:16,240 --> 00:26:19,800 Speaker 2: my topic. Waldeck is not a misogynist. He's not down 495 00:26:19,840 --> 00:26:22,560 Speaker 2: with kicking the women out. He's actually very actively feminist 496 00:26:23,000 --> 00:26:26,040 Speaker 2: and soon enough is going to be cross dressing it, protests. 497 00:26:25,760 --> 00:26:28,040 Speaker 3: Oh, we love it, okay. 498 00:26:28,040 --> 00:26:30,520 Speaker 2: Yeah, and so yeah, he's not going to last long 499 00:26:30,560 --> 00:26:33,080 Speaker 2: in this traditional misogynist revolutionary structure. 500 00:26:33,880 --> 00:26:36,800 Speaker 3: Was he pissed about these what are the ears called. 501 00:26:36,960 --> 00:26:37,919 Speaker 2: The rubber ears? 502 00:26:38,040 --> 00:26:41,000 Speaker 3: The rubber ears? Was he pissed about them arresting folks? 503 00:26:41,800 --> 00:26:44,200 Speaker 2: I get that impression, But the way he writes about 504 00:26:44,200 --> 00:26:46,200 Speaker 2: it all, he writes it as if he's like playing 505 00:26:46,240 --> 00:26:48,800 Speaker 2: a chess game against the state. So he's like the 506 00:26:48,840 --> 00:26:53,399 Speaker 2: brilliant strategist General so and so came and you know, 507 00:26:53,800 --> 00:26:56,120 Speaker 2: did all these things, And I have to respect how 508 00:26:56,119 --> 00:26:59,879 Speaker 2: effective that was. You know, he's a he's still alive. 509 00:27:00,280 --> 00:27:02,920 Speaker 2: If you're listening to this Waldeck, I'm sure, I got 510 00:27:02,960 --> 00:27:05,080 Speaker 2: lots of stuff wrong, but it's half your fault because 511 00:27:05,119 --> 00:27:06,320 Speaker 2: your book is very confusing. 512 00:27:06,600 --> 00:27:08,560 Speaker 3: What the fuck am I doing here? Why don't you 513 00:27:08,560 --> 00:27:10,000 Speaker 3: get Waldack himself? 514 00:27:10,520 --> 00:27:12,720 Speaker 2: No, I don't know no as to how the show works. 515 00:27:12,760 --> 00:27:15,879 Speaker 2: I like learning things and then explaining them instead of 516 00:27:16,400 --> 00:27:19,679 Speaker 2: you know. Also, because like he and I would have 517 00:27:19,680 --> 00:27:22,160 Speaker 2: a very different conversation, it's much better to have what 518 00:27:22,200 --> 00:27:26,040 Speaker 2: we call in the business the podcast idiot. Okay, I'll 519 00:27:26,040 --> 00:27:28,360 Speaker 2: be the idiot, the person who doesn't know the thing, 520 00:27:28,640 --> 00:27:30,280 Speaker 2: which would have been me a week ago. It's not 521 00:27:30,320 --> 00:27:31,479 Speaker 2: that I actually knew this stuff. 522 00:27:31,560 --> 00:27:33,280 Speaker 1: We call them podcast dummies. 523 00:27:33,680 --> 00:27:34,360 Speaker 2: Oh dummies. 524 00:27:34,560 --> 00:27:34,879 Speaker 3: Sorry. 525 00:27:36,680 --> 00:27:39,399 Speaker 2: So another thing about living in well, actually lots of 526 00:27:39,440 --> 00:27:41,440 Speaker 2: countries do this. The US doesn't do it, but lots 527 00:27:41,480 --> 00:27:45,240 Speaker 2: of countries do. Poland had mandatory military service at the time, 528 00:27:45,920 --> 00:27:49,840 Speaker 2: and so he's called up for mandatory military service. And 529 00:27:49,880 --> 00:27:51,840 Speaker 2: I want to shout out there's a tactic that is 530 00:27:51,960 --> 00:27:55,399 Speaker 2: tried and true that Waldeck did before some of my friends, 531 00:27:55,440 --> 00:27:58,040 Speaker 2: but I learned about it first. Of my friends. I 532 00:27:58,040 --> 00:27:59,760 Speaker 2: have a few friends who've grown up in societies with 533 00:27:59,760 --> 00:28:03,479 Speaker 2: man tory military service. Like some Finnish friends just were like, no, 534 00:28:03,520 --> 00:28:05,560 Speaker 2: we could do public service instead of joining the military. 535 00:28:05,640 --> 00:28:09,600 Speaker 2: It's fine. My Israeli friends grew up in an evil 536 00:28:10,040 --> 00:28:13,280 Speaker 2: empire of oppression and were like, how do we get 537 00:28:13,280 --> 00:28:16,040 Speaker 2: out of joining the IDF? And they actually all managed 538 00:28:16,040 --> 00:28:18,880 Speaker 2: to get out of joining the IDF. Most of them 539 00:28:18,920 --> 00:28:21,560 Speaker 2: did so by just leaving the fucking country and going 540 00:28:21,600 --> 00:28:22,040 Speaker 2: to Europe. 541 00:28:22,280 --> 00:28:22,680 Speaker 3: Brilliant. 542 00:28:23,280 --> 00:28:26,840 Speaker 2: Yeah. One friend, like a lot of resisters, just went 543 00:28:26,880 --> 00:28:29,439 Speaker 2: to jail. He just went in and said no, I 544 00:28:29,920 --> 00:28:31,520 Speaker 2: will not serve in the IDF, and they put him 545 00:28:31,560 --> 00:28:34,359 Speaker 2: in jail. And then I have a friend named Yoni, 546 00:28:35,200 --> 00:28:38,800 Speaker 2: and Yoni pulled an Alice's Restaurant. You ever heard this 547 00:28:38,840 --> 00:28:42,080 Speaker 2: song Alice's Restaurant? Mm hmm, Okay, there's this old song 548 00:28:42,440 --> 00:28:46,360 Speaker 2: about someone evading the draft by acting crazy. My friend 549 00:28:46,480 --> 00:28:50,040 Speaker 2: Yoni went into the recruiter's office, head held high, and said, 550 00:28:50,720 --> 00:28:52,440 Speaker 2: I want a gun. Give me a gun. I want 551 00:28:52,440 --> 00:28:54,200 Speaker 2: to kill people. I don't know who I'm gonna kill. 552 00:28:54,400 --> 00:28:56,600 Speaker 2: It might be you, it might be me. Just give 553 00:28:56,640 --> 00:28:58,280 Speaker 2: me a gun. I want to kill people. 554 00:28:58,800 --> 00:29:00,480 Speaker 3: Okay, pull crazy, love it. 555 00:29:00,960 --> 00:29:03,360 Speaker 2: And they were like, no, we don't want you. You 556 00:29:03,400 --> 00:29:03,920 Speaker 2: can't join. 557 00:29:04,120 --> 00:29:05,040 Speaker 3: You're too excited. 558 00:29:05,720 --> 00:29:08,840 Speaker 2: Yeah, what's funny is what happens in the song Alice's 559 00:29:08,840 --> 00:29:10,400 Speaker 2: Restaurant as he goes in and he's like, I want 560 00:29:10,400 --> 00:29:12,640 Speaker 2: to kill I want blood in my teeth, and the 561 00:29:12,720 --> 00:29:18,000 Speaker 2: recruiters like, great, you're exactly who we want. But you know, anyway, 562 00:29:18,080 --> 00:29:22,840 Speaker 2: so it works for Yoni. Waldeck does this too. He 563 00:29:22,920 --> 00:29:26,680 Speaker 2: is mostly known as Major Valdemir Fiedrich. Why is he 564 00:29:26,720 --> 00:29:29,120 Speaker 2: known as major because when he was called in for 565 00:29:29,200 --> 00:29:31,640 Speaker 2: mandatory service and now I hear there's three different versions 566 00:29:31,680 --> 00:29:34,920 Speaker 2: of this. Either he marched in in a major's uniform 567 00:29:35,120 --> 00:29:37,040 Speaker 2: and he insisted that he was already a major and 568 00:29:37,080 --> 00:29:38,280 Speaker 2: they were like, all right, you're crazy, to get the 569 00:29:38,280 --> 00:29:41,680 Speaker 2: fuck out of here. Or he just wore a suit 570 00:29:41,760 --> 00:29:45,160 Speaker 2: vest with a bunch of metals pinned on it. Or 571 00:29:45,560 --> 00:29:47,360 Speaker 2: and this is the thing that I think actually happened, 572 00:29:48,280 --> 00:29:51,360 Speaker 2: he went to a psychiatrist and acted crazy in order 573 00:29:51,400 --> 00:29:53,600 Speaker 2: to get a note from the psychiatrist to say that 574 00:29:53,640 --> 00:29:55,800 Speaker 2: he didn't have to do his mandatory military service. 575 00:29:56,440 --> 00:29:59,680 Speaker 3: Did he know about bone spurs? Just do bone spurs? 576 00:30:00,160 --> 00:30:03,000 Speaker 2: I know, I know, right, There's so much he could 577 00:30:03,000 --> 00:30:06,520 Speaker 2: have learned. It is so funny how it's like like overall, 578 00:30:06,600 --> 00:30:09,280 Speaker 2: like I'm not mad at people trying, like like not 579 00:30:09,440 --> 00:30:13,040 Speaker 2: serving in Vietnam is like good, right, you know, right, 580 00:30:13,640 --> 00:30:15,600 Speaker 2: but it's really annoying when people claim to be like 581 00:30:15,720 --> 00:30:18,000 Speaker 2: super patriotic and send other people after their deaths and 582 00:30:18,040 --> 00:30:20,120 Speaker 2: then didn't have the courage to actually do it themselves. 583 00:30:20,520 --> 00:30:21,400 Speaker 3: My grandpa did. 584 00:30:21,560 --> 00:30:25,360 Speaker 4: He was Mennonite, so he got whatever that release was 585 00:30:25,480 --> 00:30:27,400 Speaker 4: where he just like had to go work at hospital 586 00:30:27,480 --> 00:30:28,760 Speaker 4: or whatever during World War two. 587 00:30:29,360 --> 00:30:33,520 Speaker 2: Yeah whatever, No, it makes sense. Yeah, And it's so different, right, 588 00:30:33,560 --> 00:30:36,400 Speaker 2: like war to war, you know, because like I mean, 589 00:30:36,640 --> 00:30:38,520 Speaker 2: it makes sense for mena nits and another past fists 590 00:30:38,560 --> 00:30:40,880 Speaker 2: to go to hospital services so to faing World War two, right, 591 00:30:41,160 --> 00:30:41,960 Speaker 2: you know, but like I. 592 00:30:41,920 --> 00:30:44,080 Speaker 3: Would be like I will fuck your shit up. I 593 00:30:44,120 --> 00:30:46,760 Speaker 3: will be like yelling during battle. You don't want me, 594 00:30:47,000 --> 00:30:48,000 Speaker 3: you do not want me? 595 00:30:50,720 --> 00:30:54,600 Speaker 2: Yeah, fair enough. So he goes to the doctor and 596 00:30:54,680 --> 00:30:58,600 Speaker 2: he passes the doctor notes being like we can't talk freely. 597 00:30:58,640 --> 00:31:01,960 Speaker 2: I've been bugged, And then he passes more notes that 598 00:31:02,000 --> 00:31:03,680 Speaker 2: are like and then the doctor puts the note in 599 00:31:03,760 --> 00:31:06,040 Speaker 2: his journal, you know, and he's like, no, no, no, 600 00:31:06,080 --> 00:31:08,000 Speaker 2: you have to eat the note. He passes another note, 601 00:31:08,080 --> 00:31:09,479 Speaker 2: but it's like, no, you have to eat the note. 602 00:31:09,560 --> 00:31:15,360 Speaker 2: What are you doing, and it's possible, and I think 603 00:31:15,440 --> 00:31:19,760 Speaker 2: implied that this particular psychiatrist pretty much dedicated his life 604 00:31:20,160 --> 00:31:24,040 Speaker 2: to helping people evade mandatory military service and then put 605 00:31:24,280 --> 00:31:28,840 Speaker 2: them in touch with each other to organize revolution. All right, 606 00:31:29,600 --> 00:31:33,320 Speaker 2: I'm not certain, but if so, thanks doctor for bringing 607 00:31:33,320 --> 00:31:34,400 Speaker 2: down a communist regime. 608 00:31:35,080 --> 00:31:38,720 Speaker 3: That's a special you know, discipline of medicine. 609 00:31:39,600 --> 00:31:44,440 Speaker 2: Yeah, totally quack but good. However it goes down, he 610 00:31:44,440 --> 00:31:47,120 Speaker 2: doesn't serve in the military, and he becomes forever after 611 00:31:47,200 --> 00:31:50,160 Speaker 2: known as the Major. He would go everywhere with his 612 00:31:50,200 --> 00:31:51,960 Speaker 2: long hair and his long beard, which is funny cause 613 00:31:51,960 --> 00:31:54,080 Speaker 2: like long hair and long beard by like today's standards, 614 00:31:54,080 --> 00:31:56,840 Speaker 2: they're not particular like chin length hair and like a 615 00:31:56,880 --> 00:31:59,320 Speaker 2: beard that's not like a He doesn't have a wizard beard, 616 00:31:59,680 --> 00:32:02,400 Speaker 2: you know. But he does have a big black long 617 00:32:02,440 --> 00:32:05,600 Speaker 2: military coat with shiny silver buttons that he wears everywhere. 618 00:32:06,560 --> 00:32:08,480 Speaker 2: And while Deck and his friends they set up an 619 00:32:08,480 --> 00:32:12,440 Speaker 2: alternative to the boring no women revolutionary structure, and it 620 00:32:12,480 --> 00:32:14,960 Speaker 2: seems to have been either called the army or the regiment. 621 00:32:15,000 --> 00:32:17,360 Speaker 2: Eventually it's going to be called the Orange Alternative, but 622 00:32:17,400 --> 00:32:19,760 Speaker 2: for now they're like they all take on the name, 623 00:32:19,840 --> 00:32:22,520 Speaker 2: like Lieutenant so and so and all of this stuff, right, 624 00:32:23,480 --> 00:32:28,160 Speaker 2: and women joined and were called amazons. Yes, they called 625 00:32:28,200 --> 00:32:30,480 Speaker 2: all of their various actions. Whenever they go to an action, 626 00:32:30,560 --> 00:32:32,560 Speaker 2: they'd be called maneuvers, like all we're going out on 627 00:32:32,640 --> 00:32:35,200 Speaker 2: maneuvers tonight. It'd be like graffiti or whatever, you know. 628 00:32:36,360 --> 00:32:38,160 Speaker 2: And at one point they went on a maneuver to 629 00:32:38,200 --> 00:32:41,400 Speaker 2: a big hippie camp to distribute revolutionary handbills and they 630 00:32:41,400 --> 00:32:43,400 Speaker 2: did it without anyone getting arrested. So they were like 631 00:32:43,520 --> 00:32:48,800 Speaker 2: celebrated their successful maneuvers with no casualties. And they held 632 00:32:48,800 --> 00:32:52,080 Speaker 2: elections every week because I think they either had an 633 00:32:52,080 --> 00:32:56,120 Speaker 2: over enthusiasm for democracy or they wanted to make it 634 00:32:56,160 --> 00:32:58,640 Speaker 2: clear that their governing structure is sort of an absurdity 635 00:32:58,680 --> 00:33:00,880 Speaker 2: and they are anti authoritarian. Everyone is a leader. 636 00:33:02,280 --> 00:33:07,320 Speaker 4: Okay, yeah, I would be exhausted by all the elections. 637 00:33:06,920 --> 00:33:09,080 Speaker 2: I know, but they're having fun with it. I think 638 00:33:09,120 --> 00:33:13,520 Speaker 2: it's all a game to them. Okay, they start all 639 00:33:13,560 --> 00:33:16,560 Speaker 2: the hippies and revolutionaries, they start taking shit kind of seriously, 640 00:33:16,640 --> 00:33:18,320 Speaker 2: even though they do it all with like a laugh. 641 00:33:18,520 --> 00:33:22,800 Speaker 2: Right to quote the major back then, during a discussion 642 00:33:22,840 --> 00:33:25,440 Speaker 2: about social issues, the meaning of life or the quality 643 00:33:25,440 --> 00:33:30,600 Speaker 2: of various highs. People would start constructing a crew, often spontaneously. 644 00:33:31,120 --> 00:33:33,480 Speaker 2: A crew was a group that would wander the country, 645 00:33:33,560 --> 00:33:37,720 Speaker 2: often during vacation, sleeping wherever, finding new experiences and getting 646 00:33:37,760 --> 00:33:42,240 Speaker 2: high together. And then so these like vagabond crews start 647 00:33:42,640 --> 00:33:45,680 Speaker 2: also organizing revolution. So I really like it because that's 648 00:33:45,720 --> 00:33:48,640 Speaker 2: my own background, So I think it's really cool. He 649 00:33:48,680 --> 00:33:52,160 Speaker 2: starts traveling around the major he's avoiding train fares, he 650 00:33:52,240 --> 00:33:54,920 Speaker 2: joins whatever trouble he can get into. He travels with 651 00:33:54,920 --> 00:33:59,400 Speaker 2: people with names like the tramp Amazing and a dog 652 00:33:59,640 --> 00:34:05,320 Speaker 2: named Dog. There's so many dogs in a story and 653 00:34:05,360 --> 00:34:06,720 Speaker 2: none of them get hurt, Sophie. 654 00:34:07,600 --> 00:34:10,960 Speaker 1: That makes me happy. Yeah, they've a lot of bummer 655 00:34:11,000 --> 00:34:13,240 Speaker 1: dog stuff on Robert Show lately. 656 00:34:13,680 --> 00:34:15,680 Speaker 2: Yeah, and then even once on my show and I 657 00:34:15,719 --> 00:34:20,080 Speaker 2: didn't mean to. Yeah. Major strikes break out in the 658 00:34:20,080 --> 00:34:23,880 Speaker 2: city of Gadansk, and these are the first prolonged protests 659 00:34:23,920 --> 00:34:27,319 Speaker 2: anywhere in the communist world. People are like throwing molotovs 660 00:34:27,480 --> 00:34:29,799 Speaker 2: and shit, and as best as I can tell, this 661 00:34:29,840 --> 00:34:32,080 Speaker 2: is organized by a group called the Young Poland Movement. 662 00:34:32,239 --> 00:34:35,759 Speaker 2: I don't know much about. Students and vagabonds converged on 663 00:34:35,800 --> 00:34:38,359 Speaker 2: the city, gathering in hostels off to like then go 664 00:34:38,680 --> 00:34:41,000 Speaker 2: together and go see the strike and to try and 665 00:34:41,040 --> 00:34:44,360 Speaker 2: help out. And so the Major and his friends and 666 00:34:44,440 --> 00:34:48,400 Speaker 2: presumably Dog made it back to Roodeswaf and they started 667 00:34:48,880 --> 00:34:51,640 Speaker 2: the New Culture movement, the RNK. They just name new 668 00:34:51,680 --> 00:34:54,239 Speaker 2: things constantly whatever. Honestly, the name isn't going to be 669 00:34:54,280 --> 00:34:56,200 Speaker 2: super important to the rest of it. If you're like me, 670 00:34:56,400 --> 00:34:59,080 Speaker 2: and acronyms and initials just go in one ear and 671 00:34:59,120 --> 00:35:01,239 Speaker 2: out the other. Don't worry about this one. You can 672 00:35:01,280 --> 00:35:05,120 Speaker 2: just remember dwarves, elves, gnomes and the Orange alternative and 673 00:35:05,120 --> 00:35:09,000 Speaker 2: you'll be good. They put on debates, They published a 674 00:35:09,000 --> 00:35:12,640 Speaker 2: single issue of a gazette called a They Smoked Weed, 675 00:35:12,680 --> 00:35:15,000 Speaker 2: and they talked about how life could be. And their 676 00:35:15,000 --> 00:35:19,080 Speaker 2: heroes were first and foremost friend of the Pod Peter Kropotkin, 677 00:35:19,120 --> 00:35:21,920 Speaker 2: who's one of the main anarchist communist theorists from Russia 678 00:35:21,960 --> 00:35:25,040 Speaker 2: from one hundred years earlier, and future friend of the 679 00:35:25,080 --> 00:35:29,120 Speaker 2: Pod Bob Marley. That's their thing, dead old Russian guy 680 00:35:29,560 --> 00:35:34,359 Speaker 2: and Bob Marley love it. The Major described Kropotkin as 681 00:35:34,440 --> 00:35:37,200 Speaker 2: quote a zoologist, a royal prince, and a figurehead of 682 00:35:37,200 --> 00:35:40,600 Speaker 2: classical anarchism with a splendid beard. He was an excellent 683 00:35:40,680 --> 00:35:41,160 Speaker 2: role model. 684 00:35:42,360 --> 00:35:44,960 Speaker 3: I appreciate all the weed smoking. I would be in 685 00:35:45,040 --> 00:35:46,280 Speaker 3: it just for the weed smoking. 686 00:35:46,760 --> 00:35:51,440 Speaker 2: Yeah, that's how a lot of them got into it. Yeah. 687 00:35:51,680 --> 00:35:55,160 Speaker 2: But that weed smoking, those hippies and shit was enough 688 00:35:55,200 --> 00:35:58,480 Speaker 2: that Russia shows up with tanks trying to quell the 689 00:35:58,520 --> 00:36:03,080 Speaker 2: rebellious hippies. Which it's fun to remember that Poland is 690 00:36:03,120 --> 00:36:07,440 Speaker 2: not Russia, it is not the ussr right, and Russia's like, no, 691 00:36:07,480 --> 00:36:10,080 Speaker 2: we don't care, can't let a communism fall here, and 692 00:36:10,120 --> 00:36:14,000 Speaker 2: so tanks they come in. If you ever hear anyone 693 00:36:14,040 --> 00:36:17,239 Speaker 2: on the Internet called a tanky, it's because of this. 694 00:36:17,440 --> 00:36:19,600 Speaker 2: It is not because of it happening in Poland, but 695 00:36:19,640 --> 00:36:23,080 Speaker 2: it happening in Hungary in nineteen fifty six, when Russia 696 00:36:23,200 --> 00:36:26,560 Speaker 2: is like, let's send tanks to quell anyone who dislikes 697 00:36:26,880 --> 00:36:31,200 Speaker 2: the USSR. So Major gets out of the country for 698 00:36:31,200 --> 00:36:33,720 Speaker 2: a minute. He goes to Czechoslovakia, he talks with folks 699 00:36:33,760 --> 00:36:35,680 Speaker 2: there about what's going on in Poland, and then he 700 00:36:35,719 --> 00:36:39,000 Speaker 2: goes home and he writes the Manifesto of Socialist Surrealism, 701 00:36:39,960 --> 00:36:42,359 Speaker 2: and then he falls in love and it turns out 702 00:36:42,400 --> 00:36:45,680 Speaker 2: she's into this, so it's not creepy, but he starts 703 00:36:45,760 --> 00:36:49,240 Speaker 2: graffeeding his CRUSH's name in the halls all over campus, 704 00:36:49,680 --> 00:36:53,799 Speaker 2: like in Hearts, you know, okay, and his CRUSH's name 705 00:36:53,840 --> 00:36:58,080 Speaker 2: is Yogi Booboooo. At least that's how he wrote it 706 00:36:58,120 --> 00:37:03,160 Speaker 2: down in his book. And she's not creeped out, but 707 00:37:04,239 --> 00:37:08,080 Speaker 2: she's actually more radical than him. He asks her out, 708 00:37:08,280 --> 00:37:10,879 Speaker 2: He's like, starts by just grafeiting her name, which kids, 709 00:37:10,880 --> 00:37:13,080 Speaker 2: if you're listening down, start with that. Start with asking 710 00:37:13,080 --> 00:37:18,680 Speaker 2: out yes, consent, yeah. But he asks her out and 711 00:37:18,680 --> 00:37:20,080 Speaker 2: she's like, yeah, i'd love to meet up. Let's go 712 00:37:20,160 --> 00:37:22,759 Speaker 2: on a day tomorrow. And he's like hell yeah. And 713 00:37:22,800 --> 00:37:24,719 Speaker 2: then she calls later that night and is like, I 714 00:37:24,719 --> 00:37:27,480 Speaker 2: can't go on a day tomorrow. There's a student strike. 715 00:37:27,960 --> 00:37:30,279 Speaker 2: I have to go to the student strike. And he's like, 716 00:37:30,960 --> 00:37:32,440 Speaker 2: don't you want to just go on a date with 717 00:37:32,440 --> 00:37:35,839 Speaker 2: me instead of going to the protest, And she's like no, 718 00:37:36,800 --> 00:37:39,680 Speaker 2: and so he's like, hey, babe, I'm gonna come to 719 00:37:39,680 --> 00:37:44,480 Speaker 2: the protest. And that's how Yogi Booboo destroyed the Soviet Union. 720 00:37:46,000 --> 00:37:48,960 Speaker 2: I mean, many, many people are involved in all of this, 721 00:37:49,160 --> 00:37:51,120 Speaker 2: but I just love all the little weird threads where 722 00:37:51,160 --> 00:37:53,200 Speaker 2: if Yogi Booboo hadn't, I don't know whatever. 723 00:37:53,200 --> 00:37:55,520 Speaker 4: Anyway, I was going to ask you if when they 724 00:37:56,200 --> 00:37:58,160 Speaker 4: let the girls in, if they all start a fucking 725 00:37:58,280 --> 00:38:00,440 Speaker 4: But it sounds like, yeah, maybe a little bit. 726 00:38:01,000 --> 00:38:04,880 Speaker 2: Yeah, absolutely, it's also pretty queer, and we're going to 727 00:38:04,920 --> 00:38:06,600 Speaker 2: talk a little bit more about that later. But yeah, no, 728 00:38:06,640 --> 00:38:09,040 Speaker 2: they're all like, there's a lot of reference to like. 729 00:38:09,080 --> 00:38:10,879 Speaker 2: And then I went and hung out with my girlfriends 730 00:38:11,320 --> 00:38:15,200 Speaker 2: and you're like, Okay, I don't know entirely what's happening here, 731 00:38:15,280 --> 00:38:19,880 Speaker 2: but I hope everyone's having fun, you know. And so 732 00:38:20,080 --> 00:38:22,920 Speaker 2: the New Culture movement joins the strike and they formally 733 00:38:23,040 --> 00:38:24,839 Speaker 2: endorse it because they're like, well, it's a good piece 734 00:38:24,880 --> 00:38:27,399 Speaker 2: of art, right, we'll go to the protest as art 735 00:38:28,560 --> 00:38:31,520 Speaker 2: and they're a weirdo art radical clubs. So of course 736 00:38:31,520 --> 00:38:33,680 Speaker 2: they have to print a newspaper first. So they get 737 00:38:33,680 --> 00:38:35,560 Speaker 2: their shit together to finish something they've been working on 738 00:38:35,600 --> 00:38:38,440 Speaker 2: for about six months called the Orange Alternative, and they 739 00:38:38,480 --> 00:38:41,280 Speaker 2: go out and they print it. I have a couple 740 00:38:41,320 --> 00:38:43,840 Speaker 2: different ideas about where they get this interest in the 741 00:38:43,880 --> 00:38:46,799 Speaker 2: word orange as part of the name of their movement, right, 742 00:38:47,440 --> 00:38:52,120 Speaker 2: But what I also am interested in is advertisers interrupting 743 00:38:52,120 --> 00:39:01,879 Speaker 2: the middle of my sentence. That's great and we're back. 744 00:39:03,880 --> 00:39:07,240 Speaker 2: So they finished the orange alternative, And in one way 745 00:39:07,360 --> 00:39:10,320 Speaker 2: they're inspired by this protest movement from the earlier seventies 746 00:39:10,360 --> 00:39:13,080 Speaker 2: called the Cabalter movement in Amsterdam, right, and they used 747 00:39:13,160 --> 00:39:15,400 Speaker 2: orange a lot. And if so, that's because it's Dutch. 748 00:39:16,080 --> 00:39:19,680 Speaker 2: But the other argument I've heard is that the orange 749 00:39:19,719 --> 00:39:23,040 Speaker 2: alternative is presenting a third way because the two things 750 00:39:23,040 --> 00:39:24,920 Speaker 2: that are being presented as you either have the red 751 00:39:24,960 --> 00:39:30,759 Speaker 2: Bolsheviks or you have the yellow Vatican, like the Catholic Church, right, 752 00:39:31,360 --> 00:39:34,920 Speaker 2: And they're like, what about something different, And so it's like, 753 00:39:35,680 --> 00:39:39,040 Speaker 2: not anti religious and not anti well, it's anti communist, 754 00:39:39,080 --> 00:39:41,520 Speaker 2: but it's against the Catholic Church and it's against the 755 00:39:41,560 --> 00:39:45,160 Speaker 2: Bolshevik Communist Party. But it's like a lot of religious 756 00:39:45,160 --> 00:39:47,000 Speaker 2: people are in it and a lot of socialists are 757 00:39:47,040 --> 00:39:48,600 Speaker 2: in it, as best as I can tell. 758 00:39:49,200 --> 00:39:52,440 Speaker 4: I wonder if the word orange like nothing rhymes with 759 00:39:52,480 --> 00:39:55,239 Speaker 4: it in Polish either, because that would also make sense 760 00:39:55,280 --> 00:39:56,719 Speaker 4: if they were like, you don't like. 761 00:39:57,640 --> 00:40:00,360 Speaker 2: Yeah, we want everything to be unique. I'm hoping. I 762 00:40:00,400 --> 00:40:02,040 Speaker 2: think orange is one of the ugliest words in the 763 00:40:02,040 --> 00:40:04,680 Speaker 2: English language. I hate saying the orange alternative over and 764 00:40:04,719 --> 00:40:06,880 Speaker 2: over again. It just it's not poetic to me. So 765 00:40:06,960 --> 00:40:09,759 Speaker 2: I'm hoping it's poetic and polish, whether or not at 766 00:40:09,840 --> 00:40:13,800 Speaker 2: rhymes with anything. And yeah, So because a hippie anarchist 767 00:40:13,880 --> 00:40:15,760 Speaker 2: boy wanted to impress his crush by going to the strike, 768 00:40:15,920 --> 00:40:19,240 Speaker 2: she was going to. The Orange alternative is born. Waldeck 769 00:40:19,239 --> 00:40:21,120 Speaker 2: showed up at the strike. He set up a tent 770 00:40:21,200 --> 00:40:24,960 Speaker 2: and he painted love and anarchy on it. Counter protesters 771 00:40:25,000 --> 00:40:28,520 Speaker 2: showed up basically like right wing communist youth groups, like 772 00:40:28,600 --> 00:40:31,160 Speaker 2: kind of the equivalent of like right because if your 773 00:40:31,200 --> 00:40:35,520 Speaker 2: society is the communist society, the like right wing thugs 774 00:40:35,560 --> 00:40:38,200 Speaker 2: who defend the government are basically the same kind of 775 00:40:38,200 --> 00:40:42,480 Speaker 2: person that they would be in our society. And they 776 00:40:42,560 --> 00:40:45,440 Speaker 2: start tearing down the posters this like, you know, the 777 00:40:45,520 --> 00:40:49,320 Speaker 2: counter protesters, and so the surrealists some of them are like, 778 00:40:49,360 --> 00:40:50,879 Speaker 2: all right, let's go throw chairs at them and fight 779 00:40:50,920 --> 00:40:53,319 Speaker 2: them and shit, right, and other ones are like, no, no, no, 780 00:40:53,360 --> 00:40:55,279 Speaker 2: we gotta do this. We got to just confuse the 781 00:40:55,320 --> 00:40:57,520 Speaker 2: shit out of them. So they go to the window, 782 00:40:57,600 --> 00:41:00,359 Speaker 2: they open the window and they all start singing the 783 00:41:00,400 --> 00:41:03,440 Speaker 2: Internationale at the top of their lungs, which is like 784 00:41:04,120 --> 00:41:08,239 Speaker 2: basically the second national anthem of communist Poland. Right. It's 785 00:41:08,280 --> 00:41:12,480 Speaker 2: this like communist bombastic song about the ray communism, you know, 786 00:41:13,600 --> 00:41:15,719 Speaker 2: and the right wing group is like, wait, that's our song, 787 00:41:15,800 --> 00:41:20,759 Speaker 2: and they just get confused and leave beautiful yeah, and 788 00:41:20,880 --> 00:41:23,839 Speaker 2: word goes around the rest of the school. They're like, oh, 789 00:41:23,840 --> 00:41:26,400 Speaker 2: the orange alternative newspaper is cool as hell, and they 790 00:41:26,400 --> 00:41:30,960 Speaker 2: successfully defended their building against counter protesters. The organizers of 791 00:41:31,000 --> 00:41:34,360 Speaker 2: the strike were the like stuffy no girls allowed and 792 00:41:34,440 --> 00:41:37,799 Speaker 2: no fun club, and so they're pissed because they're starting 793 00:41:37,880 --> 00:41:40,680 Speaker 2: to lose the masses because people are like, wait, the 794 00:41:40,719 --> 00:41:43,600 Speaker 2: hippies let us girls in and are also fun and 795 00:41:43,600 --> 00:41:47,560 Speaker 2: they have weed, you know. And the official strike committee 796 00:41:47,760 --> 00:41:50,360 Speaker 2: put out a statement that the new culture movement was 797 00:41:50,480 --> 00:41:55,640 Speaker 2: banned and their newspaper was banned. But the whole protest 798 00:41:55,680 --> 00:41:57,560 Speaker 2: movement is about how we don't like the communist government 799 00:41:57,560 --> 00:42:00,759 Speaker 2: because it's a censorship government, right, and so everyone's like, 800 00:42:01,239 --> 00:42:02,960 Speaker 2: we're not going to censor shit, what the fuck are 801 00:42:02,960 --> 00:42:07,120 Speaker 2: you talking about? Yeah, And so basically the stuffy no 802 00:42:07,200 --> 00:42:08,840 Speaker 2: girls allowed club people were like, oh, you're just the 803 00:42:08,880 --> 00:42:12,120 Speaker 2: Bolsheviks all over again. Fuck you, and for some weird reason, 804 00:42:12,120 --> 00:42:14,040 Speaker 2: women in particular were drawn to the movement that let 805 00:42:14,040 --> 00:42:15,759 Speaker 2: them in instead of the movement that didn't let them in. 806 00:42:16,480 --> 00:42:19,000 Speaker 2: That's crazy, I know, you think that they would just 807 00:42:19,120 --> 00:42:22,399 Speaker 2: be extra excited to try and get into patriarchy instead 808 00:42:22,400 --> 00:42:28,279 Speaker 2: of organizing as feminists. Yeah, the whole communist movement is 809 00:42:28,320 --> 00:42:31,400 Speaker 2: freaked out by the student strike in Poland. Even the 810 00:42:31,440 --> 00:42:34,080 Speaker 2: resistance to communism is a little bit worried about it. 811 00:42:34,600 --> 00:42:36,920 Speaker 2: They were like, oh, the conditions aren't right for a 812 00:42:36,920 --> 00:42:39,960 Speaker 2: big strike, right, we have to build up to that. 813 00:42:40,080 --> 00:42:42,719 Speaker 2: You can't just go out and have a revolution. You 814 00:42:42,800 --> 00:42:45,239 Speaker 2: have to wait till the material conditions are perfect or whatever. 815 00:42:45,400 --> 00:42:48,200 Speaker 2: And so they're like not in control. So they're upset. 816 00:42:49,480 --> 00:42:53,080 Speaker 2: The strike committee, the No Girls Club took orders top 817 00:42:53,200 --> 00:42:57,080 Speaker 2: down from solidarity, that larger movement. I was talking about 818 00:42:57,640 --> 00:43:01,000 Speaker 2: the students themselves. They're organized bottom up, and so the 819 00:43:01,080 --> 00:43:03,400 Speaker 2: student's form and this is meant as a joke. The 820 00:43:03,480 --> 00:43:07,880 Speaker 2: Council of People's Commissioners of the Orange Revolution, and they 821 00:43:08,080 --> 00:43:10,880 Speaker 2: made alliances with other striking groups in order to avoid 822 00:43:10,960 --> 00:43:13,880 Speaker 2: having the strike dismantled from the top down. Eleven universities 823 00:43:13,920 --> 00:43:18,040 Speaker 2: across the country agreed to keep going despite pressure from 824 00:43:18,120 --> 00:43:21,600 Speaker 2: the opposition authorities who wanted to get everyone to give up. 825 00:43:21,960 --> 00:43:25,840 Speaker 2: They wanted the strike to cancel. Poland went into martial 826 00:43:25,920 --> 00:43:29,840 Speaker 2: law over this. The army occupied the cities and the 827 00:43:29,920 --> 00:43:33,720 Speaker 2: strikes were broken by force. And it was probably important 828 00:43:33,760 --> 00:43:36,560 Speaker 2: strategically that, rather than just giving up, the strike went 829 00:43:36,600 --> 00:43:39,960 Speaker 2: until the government was forced to destroy it because forcing 830 00:43:40,000 --> 00:43:42,239 Speaker 2: the state into martial law, while it sucks, because then 831 00:43:42,280 --> 00:43:46,480 Speaker 2: you get martial law for a while, helped the movement grow. 832 00:43:47,040 --> 00:43:50,000 Speaker 3: It's a lot of people on your side. Yeah, what 833 00:43:50,120 --> 00:43:52,200 Speaker 3: kind of violence were they breaking it up with? 834 00:43:53,360 --> 00:43:56,040 Speaker 2: I am under the impression, but it again, I am 835 00:43:56,080 --> 00:43:58,600 Speaker 2: not entirely confident about this person I'm reading. I'm under 836 00:43:58,600 --> 00:44:02,200 Speaker 2: the impression that the Polish govern was repressive, but not 837 00:44:02,520 --> 00:44:07,720 Speaker 2: quite like murder, torture repressive. Okay, I am under the impression. 838 00:44:07,760 --> 00:44:10,239 Speaker 2: It will look similar to how you would expect something 839 00:44:10,320 --> 00:44:12,600 Speaker 2: like this to be brought, like similar to how things 840 00:44:12,640 --> 00:44:15,879 Speaker 2: were broken up actually at the student movement this year 841 00:44:16,000 --> 00:44:19,840 Speaker 2: in the United States, where there's violence, there's plenty of 842 00:44:20,000 --> 00:44:23,600 Speaker 2: hitting and arrests that make no sense and stuff, but 843 00:44:23,719 --> 00:44:28,520 Speaker 2: it's not like machine gunning the crowd. Yeah, okay, good, Yeah, 844 00:44:28,960 --> 00:44:32,560 Speaker 2: my best impression of it and what the government did 845 00:44:32,600 --> 00:44:36,560 Speaker 2: once they declared martial law. The major he's like sick, 846 00:44:37,200 --> 00:44:39,960 Speaker 2: He's like home with a cold, and he goes out 847 00:44:39,960 --> 00:44:42,640 Speaker 2: into the streets one day and he sees these posters 848 00:44:42,680 --> 00:44:44,880 Speaker 2: that have put up that were like, we have arrested 849 00:44:44,920 --> 00:44:47,440 Speaker 2: all of the ring leaders of the strike. Don't worry, 850 00:44:47,520 --> 00:44:50,319 Speaker 2: your streets are safe, and they would like list all 851 00:44:50,400 --> 00:44:52,120 Speaker 2: of the names of all the people who've been arrested. 852 00:44:52,800 --> 00:44:57,120 Speaker 2: And the Major's like, wait, that's my name, though, why 853 00:44:57,239 --> 00:44:59,320 Speaker 2: is my name on the list of people who've been detained? 854 00:45:00,280 --> 00:45:02,480 Speaker 2: Like that very much, and I don't feel like I 855 00:45:02,560 --> 00:45:06,759 Speaker 2: have been detained. And then one of his friends was 856 00:45:06,840 --> 00:45:08,600 Speaker 2: arrested soon after one of his friends who was also 857 00:45:08,680 --> 00:45:10,480 Speaker 2: on the list but hadn't yet been arrested, and so 858 00:45:10,600 --> 00:45:13,080 Speaker 2: he's like, I'm going to go into hiding now. This 859 00:45:13,239 --> 00:45:15,200 Speaker 2: is not the right time to be hanging out of 860 00:45:15,280 --> 00:45:19,400 Speaker 2: my house. Yeah, And so it goes to warsaw and 861 00:45:19,480 --> 00:45:23,080 Speaker 2: people in Poland didn't take martial law. Lying down students 862 00:45:23,239 --> 00:45:25,360 Speaker 2: in dorms. They lit candles in the windows and like 863 00:45:25,440 --> 00:45:29,000 Speaker 2: banged pots and pans, and this freaked out that these 864 00:45:29,080 --> 00:45:31,959 Speaker 2: cops are really easy to piss off. After a couple 865 00:45:32,000 --> 00:45:34,000 Speaker 2: of days of it, they like laid siege to the dorm, 866 00:45:34,040 --> 00:45:38,719 Speaker 2: I think, and then evicted everyone from the dorm, and Solidarity, 867 00:45:38,840 --> 00:45:41,680 Speaker 2: true to its name, got together and figured out how 868 00:45:41,719 --> 00:45:44,880 Speaker 2: to get everyone housed. The local priest organized his congregation 869 00:45:45,000 --> 00:45:48,879 Speaker 2: to put all the students up in parishioners' houses. Because, yeah, 870 00:45:48,920 --> 00:45:52,320 Speaker 2: the anti communist movement under Solidarity was incredibly politically diverse, 871 00:45:52,400 --> 00:45:55,680 Speaker 2: from Polish nationalists, anti Fulitarian leftists to the Catholic Church. 872 00:45:57,120 --> 00:46:01,520 Speaker 2: And then May Day nineteen eighty one, it was a 873 00:46:01,560 --> 00:46:04,480 Speaker 2: big to do. In Warsaw. May Day is the International 874 00:46:04,520 --> 00:46:09,440 Speaker 2: workers holiday and in communist countries it's the big state holiday. 875 00:46:10,040 --> 00:46:10,759 Speaker 3: Oh I didn't know that. 876 00:46:11,400 --> 00:46:14,320 Speaker 2: Yeah, I get really better about it because, like it 877 00:46:14,440 --> 00:46:16,759 Speaker 2: was started because some anarchists were killed for being anarchists 878 00:46:16,880 --> 00:46:19,240 Speaker 2: in Chicago in eighteen eighty seven. 879 00:46:19,960 --> 00:46:25,279 Speaker 3: I thought May Day was like this fun spring. I'm 880 00:46:25,320 --> 00:46:25,880 Speaker 3: an idiot. 881 00:46:26,480 --> 00:46:29,560 Speaker 2: No, Noviously, you're also not wrong, right, So, like bell 882 00:46:29,640 --> 00:46:32,000 Speaker 2: Tane is like an old pagan tradition and it's like 883 00:46:32,600 --> 00:46:34,880 Speaker 2: a common thing I think across a lot of cultures. 884 00:46:35,480 --> 00:46:39,080 Speaker 2: And I think it's not a coincidence that there were 885 00:46:39,160 --> 00:46:42,480 Speaker 2: these like big protest marches in Chicago in eighteen eighties 886 00:46:42,600 --> 00:46:45,479 Speaker 2: on May Day, called for Mayday, called for May First, 887 00:46:46,480 --> 00:46:49,800 Speaker 2: and then the state broke them up with incredible violence 888 00:46:49,840 --> 00:46:52,960 Speaker 2: and a lot of people were killed and like they 889 00:46:53,000 --> 00:46:55,480 Speaker 2: were machine gunning crowds and things like that, or I 890 00:46:55,520 --> 00:46:59,239 Speaker 2: guess hand gunning crowds. And seven anarchists were put on 891 00:46:59,360 --> 00:47:01,600 Speaker 2: trial for the crime of being anarchists because they were 892 00:47:01,640 --> 00:47:03,359 Speaker 2: part of the labor movement fighting for the eight hour 893 00:47:03,440 --> 00:47:05,960 Speaker 2: work day at the time, and five of them were 894 00:47:06,040 --> 00:47:09,080 Speaker 2: killed by the state. And ever since they became the 895 00:47:09,120 --> 00:47:12,200 Speaker 2: Haymarket Martyrs, and May First has been celebrated as the 896 00:47:12,239 --> 00:47:13,000 Speaker 2: workers Holiday. 897 00:47:14,040 --> 00:47:15,080 Speaker 3: Oh fascinating. 898 00:47:15,760 --> 00:47:20,920 Speaker 2: Yeah, And it got really heavily recuperated by the communist governments, right, 899 00:47:20,960 --> 00:47:24,800 Speaker 2: and so it's the big Communist Day. And so in 900 00:47:24,880 --> 00:47:28,680 Speaker 2: Warsaw nineteen eighty one, there's the official communist march and 901 00:47:28,719 --> 00:47:31,600 Speaker 2: then there's the unofficial march, which is an anti government march, 902 00:47:32,440 --> 00:47:36,000 Speaker 2: and street fighting breaks out. There's a huge riot. Red 903 00:47:36,080 --> 00:47:38,440 Speaker 2: flags are being burned in the streets. People fought, the 904 00:47:38,520 --> 00:47:42,919 Speaker 2: cops laid into the night, and the major went home 905 00:47:43,000 --> 00:47:45,520 Speaker 2: to Vroutswaft to tell everyone what he'd seen about what 906 00:47:45,680 --> 00:47:50,359 Speaker 2: was possible and by June thirteenth, that city too broke 907 00:47:50,400 --> 00:47:53,240 Speaker 2: into rebellion. But if you want to hear about that rebellion, 908 00:47:53,880 --> 00:47:56,440 Speaker 2: and even more importantly, about when everyone starts dressing up 909 00:47:56,440 --> 00:48:00,279 Speaker 2: as dwarves and gnomes and elves and things, yes, wait 910 00:48:00,280 --> 00:48:03,160 Speaker 2: to Wednesday. Well you don't have to wait. You only 911 00:48:03,239 --> 00:48:05,160 Speaker 2: have to wait like five minutes. But everyone else has 912 00:48:05,200 --> 00:48:08,040 Speaker 2: to wait till Wednesday. It's the cruel fate of not 913 00:48:08,200 --> 00:48:08,839 Speaker 2: being the guest. 914 00:48:09,760 --> 00:48:10,800 Speaker 3: Sorry, suckers. 915 00:48:11,320 --> 00:48:15,640 Speaker 2: Yeah, but if people don't want to wait, is there 916 00:48:15,680 --> 00:48:17,840 Speaker 2: any other podcasts that they could listen to in the 917 00:48:17,920 --> 00:48:19,080 Speaker 2: meantime to tide them over? 918 00:48:19,800 --> 00:48:23,520 Speaker 4: I don't know, maybe Private Parts Unknown You guys, I 919 00:48:23,960 --> 00:48:29,880 Speaker 4: released an encore edition of My Tokyo Happy Ending Massage recently, 920 00:48:30,160 --> 00:48:34,040 Speaker 4: so probably want to check that out. I'm also considering 921 00:48:34,160 --> 00:48:38,000 Speaker 4: maybe this is a really I'm a forty and I'm 922 00:48:38,080 --> 00:48:41,040 Speaker 4: thinking maybe now I'll have a kid, so I'm like 923 00:48:41,160 --> 00:48:42,960 Speaker 4: trying to figure that out on my podcast. 924 00:48:43,280 --> 00:48:43,879 Speaker 1: So cool. 925 00:48:44,520 --> 00:48:46,480 Speaker 3: So if you want to listen to like an incredibly 926 00:48:47,480 --> 00:48:51,560 Speaker 3: Confused old Woman, you can tune in for that. 927 00:48:52,080 --> 00:48:56,799 Speaker 2: People get enough Confused Old Woman of my podcast, Maybe 928 00:48:56,840 --> 00:48:59,040 Speaker 2: there's another that this room for more Confused Old Women 929 00:48:59,120 --> 00:48:59,920 Speaker 2: podcast yeah. 930 00:49:00,360 --> 00:49:02,360 Speaker 3: Margaret, I have to tell you so. 931 00:49:02,560 --> 00:49:06,320 Speaker 4: I have been working on a manuscript, memoir, manuscript, and 932 00:49:06,520 --> 00:49:12,400 Speaker 4: I quoted you in my manuscript based on my last appearance. 933 00:49:12,200 --> 00:49:13,080 Speaker 3: On the podcast. 934 00:49:13,520 --> 00:49:16,680 Speaker 2: Oh yeah. People should also check out the last time 935 00:49:16,760 --> 00:49:18,520 Speaker 2: Courtney was on the podcast. We've talked about the history 936 00:49:18,560 --> 00:49:19,959 Speaker 2: of sex work in the West. 937 00:49:20,520 --> 00:49:24,520 Speaker 4: Yeah, fascinating in your quotes about stolen valor brilliant. Anyway, 938 00:49:24,520 --> 00:49:26,040 Speaker 4: I wanted to tell you that I have no idea 939 00:49:26,080 --> 00:49:29,320 Speaker 4: what the quote was, but hopefully someday it gets published 940 00:49:29,360 --> 00:49:30,239 Speaker 4: and people can read it. 941 00:49:30,480 --> 00:49:34,960 Speaker 2: Hell yeah, Sophie. Do we have any new podcasts here 942 00:49:35,040 --> 00:49:35,879 Speaker 2: on cool Zone Media. 943 00:49:36,520 --> 00:49:39,760 Speaker 1: We do. We have our newest podcast called Weird Little Guys. 944 00:49:39,840 --> 00:49:43,600 Speaker 1: It's hosted by journalist Molly Conger. It's a weekly podcast. 945 00:49:43,680 --> 00:49:44,400 Speaker 2: It's about gnomes. 946 00:49:44,960 --> 00:49:45,720 Speaker 1: It's about gnomes. 947 00:49:45,760 --> 00:49:46,239 Speaker 2: It's about the. 948 00:49:47,760 --> 00:49:49,759 Speaker 1: The worst guys that you've never heard of that are 949 00:49:49,840 --> 00:49:53,600 Speaker 1: ruining our daily lives as we know it. And it's 950 00:49:54,000 --> 00:49:56,160 Speaker 1: it's a good time and Molly hosts it and Molly's 951 00:49:56,200 --> 00:49:56,520 Speaker 1: the best. 952 00:49:57,360 --> 00:50:00,360 Speaker 2: Hell yeah, Well, that's it for us this week and 953 00:50:00,480 --> 00:50:01,239 Speaker 2: we will be back. 954 00:50:01,640 --> 00:50:02,200 Speaker 4: Not this week. 955 00:50:02,320 --> 00:50:06,000 Speaker 2: That's it for us today, but I released twice a 956 00:50:06,080 --> 00:50:09,560 Speaker 2: week so you can come back on Wednesday and hear 957 00:50:09,840 --> 00:50:13,160 Speaker 2: about how a bunch of people wearing red and then 958 00:50:13,239 --> 00:50:17,279 Speaker 2: orange hats brought down I keep being like they didn't 959 00:50:17,280 --> 00:50:19,000 Speaker 2: single handedly do it, but they were a huge part 960 00:50:19,000 --> 00:50:20,400 Speaker 2: of it, and it was really cool, and you are 961 00:50:20,520 --> 00:50:22,400 Speaker 2: going to actually really enjoy it, and I'll talk to 962 00:50:22,440 --> 00:50:23,560 Speaker 2: you soon May. 963 00:50:29,280 --> 00:50:31,759 Speaker 1: Cool People Who Did Cool Stuff is a production of 964 00:50:31,840 --> 00:50:34,920 Speaker 1: cool Zone Media. 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