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Speaker 1: and it was really nice to see that the people care,

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Speaker 1: every day and I love it And thanks for coming back.

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Speaker 1: We've got a great one today. We're so story. It

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Speaker 1: just gets crazier as it goes. This is one of

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Speaker 1: I hope you're all doing well. Let's get right into

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Speaker 1: the today's episode because it's just too cool to I

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Speaker 1: I gotta do it um real quick. For all you

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Speaker 1: Hey Arnold fans out there, this is not the Ostar

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Speaker 1: Kokoshka that you're thinking of. Anybody, any of my millennial friends,

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Speaker 1: Hey Arnold. This Oscar Kokoshka was an artist in Austria

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Speaker 1: in the early twentie tree and his paintings and poems

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Speaker 1: influenced the Viennese Expressionist movement and he's considered a foundational

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Speaker 1: do like a full biography of him. You know, he lived,

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Speaker 1: we're going to focus on three specific works that he

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Speaker 1: brought to the world in the name of Ridiculous Romance,

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Speaker 1: a poem, play and of course, a handmade sex doll,

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Speaker 1: of course, of course. So let's go. Let's get to

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Speaker 1: know Oscar and see just how influential he was in

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Speaker 1: the modern expressionist sex doll art world. Let's do this,

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Speaker 1: Hey the French, come listen. Well, Elia and Diana got

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Speaker 1: some stories to tell. There's no match making, a romantic tips.

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Speaker 1: It's just about pridiculous relationships, a lover. It might be

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Speaker 1: the second glance ridiculous role a production of I Heart Radio.

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Speaker 1: Oscar Coukoshka was born in Austria, Hungary in eight six

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Speaker 1: great talent, oh man. Yeah, Climp obviously a big influence

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Speaker 1: The Vienna Secession dot com says, quote, the poem combines

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Speaker 1: The heat overcame me there in the woods. The copulating

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Speaker 1: shame of growing greenness overflowing feelings, loneliness. At a later

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Speaker 1: Can we read The Hungry Caterpillar instead? Next time? I mean, okay,

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Speaker 1: it's still a beautiful piece of work. Um. The poem

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Speaker 1: Certainly nobody else like like this guy Oscar says that

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Speaker 1: so much, Sorry, Lilith, you missed it. She's like, am

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Speaker 1: it's not romantic. Dear Valentine, do you know how many

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Speaker 1: a weird time in everyone's life. Not a fishaling read

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Speaker 1: weren't sure about this guy yet, guess who was a

425
00:27:17,560 --> 00:27:21,879
Speaker 1: really really big fan of his in Austria and Germany

426
00:27:22,080 --> 00:27:24,760
Speaker 1: just a few decades later. I'll give you a hint.

427
00:27:25,720 --> 00:27:30,800
Speaker 1: He's got a tiny mustache and a big superiority complex,

428
00:27:31,640 --> 00:27:35,360
Speaker 1: and he didn't think too fondly of the Jews. Yeah,

429
00:27:35,640 --> 00:27:44,200
Speaker 1: that guy, not Charlie Chaplin. Also, if you weren't sure

430
00:27:44,200 --> 00:27:47,480
Speaker 1: about that guy before that, maybe this isn't the show

431
00:27:47,520 --> 00:27:52,000
Speaker 1: for you. I just want to throw that out there anyway.

432
00:27:52,040 --> 00:27:55,160
Speaker 1: That's otto Weininger, a man whom I wish we hadn't

433
00:27:55,160 --> 00:27:58,760
Speaker 1: spent any time learning. He shot himself in the chest

434
00:27:58,840 --> 00:28:01,600
Speaker 1: at twenty three years old, in the house that Beethoven

435
00:28:01,680 --> 00:28:05,000
Speaker 1: died in. He said Beethoven was the greatest genius of

436
00:28:05,000 --> 00:28:09,240
Speaker 1: all time. Okay, therefore I'm going to kill myself in

437
00:28:09,280 --> 00:28:13,359
Speaker 1: his bedroom. Like what. I don't understand why that was

438
00:28:13,480 --> 00:28:21,120
Speaker 1: his otto. I mean, like we've all been three probably

439
00:28:21,160 --> 00:28:23,760
Speaker 1: most of our listeners have been twenty three at some point,

440
00:28:23,760 --> 00:28:27,119
Speaker 1: not all of you yet, but it's like that you

441
00:28:27,119 --> 00:28:31,520
Speaker 1: you don't have it together yet, that's true, you know, rarely. Yeah,

442
00:28:31,920 --> 00:28:34,719
Speaker 1: I mean I know again, this is the early nine hundreds.

443
00:28:34,800 --> 00:28:36,760
Speaker 1: People at twenty three had accomplished a lot more than

444
00:28:39,080 --> 00:28:45,280
Speaker 1: still you learn a lot. Yeah, anyway, auto sucks. Moving on,

445
00:28:46,440 --> 00:28:50,720
Speaker 1: Oscar Kokoshka's play Murder the Hope of Women has been

446
00:28:50,760 --> 00:28:53,760
Speaker 1: compared to this guy's teachings right, whether or not it

447
00:28:53,800 --> 00:28:56,400
Speaker 1: was intended to be. Most scholars see the show as

448
00:28:56,400 --> 00:29:00,800
Speaker 1: a representation of the clash between classic masculinity and the modern,

449
00:29:00,880 --> 00:29:05,000
Speaker 1: progressing world. You know that old men are being castrated

450
00:29:05,200 --> 00:29:07,960
Speaker 1: thing that men always seem to be scared of all

451
00:29:08,000 --> 00:29:10,000
Speaker 1: through history, even though men have always been in charge

452
00:29:10,040 --> 00:29:12,200
Speaker 1: of like everything all time, and they're the ones like

453
00:29:12,240 --> 00:29:14,840
Speaker 1: cut off his dicks or whatever. It's your choice. I

454
00:29:14,880 --> 00:29:18,640
Speaker 1: know it's been twenty thousand years of us being in charge.

455
00:29:18,680 --> 00:29:21,760
Speaker 1: But any day now people are going to get a

456
00:29:21,800 --> 00:29:24,280
Speaker 1: little too feminine and it's all gonna come crashing down,

457
00:29:24,800 --> 00:29:26,920
Speaker 1: which I don't know. I mean, looking around, I'm like,

458
00:29:27,040 --> 00:29:30,320
Speaker 1: please crash it down, let us build something new. I

459
00:29:30,320 --> 00:29:33,400
Speaker 1: don't understand why we're like human beings are in charge

460
00:29:33,400 --> 00:29:38,800
Speaker 1: of everything, and we chose credit scores and fucking mortgages.

461
00:29:39,760 --> 00:29:45,000
Speaker 1: What is that we can't get a little more creative? Well, anyway,

462
00:29:45,120 --> 00:29:48,200
Speaker 1: you know, Oscar grew up and he did fall in

463
00:29:48,240 --> 00:29:52,840
Speaker 1: love with a woman named Alma Mahler, and he loved

464
00:29:52,840 --> 00:29:57,480
Speaker 1: her so much that he just could not let her go.

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00:29:58,320 --> 00:30:01,720
Speaker 1: So we'll get into oscars most ridiculous act of romance

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Speaker 1: right after this break. Welcome back to Oscar Cokoshka in

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Speaker 1: nineteen twelve, just a couple of years after his play

468
00:30:16,200 --> 00:30:19,040
Speaker 1: The Murder the Hope of Women, Oscar fell in love

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Speaker 1: with a woman named Alma Mahler, And okay, this is

470
00:30:23,200 --> 00:30:25,920
Speaker 1: one of those stories where we realized that Alma herself

471
00:30:26,080 --> 00:30:29,280
Speaker 1: is going to need her own entire episode one day, definitely.

472
00:30:29,400 --> 00:30:32,920
Speaker 1: She was an Austrian composer and author and a socialite

473
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Speaker 1: who wrote nearly fifty songs in her life for piano

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Speaker 1: and voice. She had a life full of marriages and affairs,

475
00:30:41,440 --> 00:30:44,680
Speaker 1: and an article in the Guardian by Sarah Connelly refers

476
00:30:44,720 --> 00:30:49,160
Speaker 1: to her as quote a monster, but a very intriguing monster,

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00:30:50,400 --> 00:30:57,560
Speaker 1: with traits of pathological cruelty, vanity, entitlement and anti Semitism.

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00:30:57,600 --> 00:30:59,280
Speaker 1: You know, there really just seems to be a lot

479
00:30:59,360 --> 00:31:02,320
Speaker 1: of anti semis m going around early twentieth century Austria,

480
00:31:03,120 --> 00:31:06,720
Speaker 1: almost like almost like something was cooking. It's almost like

481
00:31:06,920 --> 00:31:10,680
Speaker 1: a trend was being played. God now it said that

482
00:31:10,800 --> 00:31:14,719
Speaker 1: almost deafness in one ear forced her to lean in

483
00:31:14,960 --> 00:31:18,720
Speaker 1: closely to conversations, and this made people who spoke with

484
00:31:18,800 --> 00:31:24,320
Speaker 1: her feel valued and understood, like they had her full attention, right,

485
00:31:24,360 --> 00:31:26,880
Speaker 1: And she was very beautiful. So this beautiful woman like

486
00:31:26,960 --> 00:31:29,040
Speaker 1: leading in close to you and just like listening to

487
00:31:29,080 --> 00:31:32,080
Speaker 1: every word you say so intently. People just like, we're

488
00:31:32,200 --> 00:31:36,320
Speaker 1: so struck by that. And she loved this and she

489
00:31:36,440 --> 00:31:38,640
Speaker 1: used it, she worked with it, and then when she

490
00:31:38,760 --> 00:31:41,560
Speaker 1: was done with said person, she would just cast them

491
00:31:41,560 --> 00:31:46,440
Speaker 1: off like it was nothing, yesterday's trash, goodbye, thanks for listening.

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Speaker 1: She was amused for countless artists, including Gustav Klimt, who

493
00:31:51,520 --> 00:31:54,360
Speaker 1: gave her her first kiss bad. I wonder if it

494
00:31:54,400 --> 00:31:58,920
Speaker 1: was an abstract expressionist kiss. He kissed all around the

495
00:31:58,960 --> 00:32:01,360
Speaker 1: air around her mouth, like pressed his ear up to

496
00:32:01,400 --> 00:32:07,880
Speaker 1: her forehead. Wow, that's just like I guess who said

497
00:32:07,880 --> 00:32:10,200
Speaker 1: the lips go together? It could be any part of

498
00:32:10,200 --> 00:32:19,440
Speaker 1: our body's my elbow. Who was society to dictate but

499
00:32:19,560 --> 00:32:25,640
Speaker 1: a kisses to me. She was also amused of her

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00:32:25,720 --> 00:32:29,440
Speaker 1: composition teacher Alexander Z m Lynskey, who was also her

501
00:32:29,480 --> 00:32:35,320
Speaker 1: first lover, and of course Oscar Cokoshka very inspired by her. Again,

502
00:32:35,360 --> 00:32:37,680
Speaker 1: her story is just way too much to get into here.

503
00:32:37,920 --> 00:32:40,440
Speaker 1: Stay tuned for the Alma Maller stories the time in

504
00:32:40,440 --> 00:32:42,880
Speaker 1: the future, because we definitely will do it. But in

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00:32:43,000 --> 00:32:45,719
Speaker 1: terms of her time with Oscar, they met in April

506
00:32:45,720 --> 00:32:49,560
Speaker 1: of nine at a dinner held by her stepfather, Carl Mole,

507
00:32:50,200 --> 00:32:55,040
Speaker 1: and they were immediately fascinated with each other. Alma asked

508
00:32:55,120 --> 00:32:58,280
Speaker 1: Oscar to paint her portrait, which he did in his

509
00:32:58,320 --> 00:33:02,040
Speaker 1: own sort of like Mona Lisa style. He gave her

510
00:33:02,080 --> 00:33:06,960
Speaker 1: like a coy mysterious smile, and the website Alma Maller

511
00:33:07,120 --> 00:33:10,760
Speaker 1: dot a t says that Oscar painted her in delicate

512
00:33:11,080 --> 00:33:16,640
Speaker 1: iridescent hues, but with her narrow, energetic mouth, she quote

513
00:33:16,800 --> 00:33:23,400
Speaker 1: appears determined, almost dangerous. So that's interesting portraits. Man, I

514
00:33:23,400 --> 00:33:25,480
Speaker 1: wish I could sit for a portrait because the things

515
00:33:25,520 --> 00:33:28,520
Speaker 1: they see, you know what I mean, Like sometimes just

516
00:33:28,560 --> 00:33:31,120
Speaker 1: the way they evoke your personality with their pain is

517
00:33:31,160 --> 00:33:33,960
Speaker 1: so interesting. It's one of those ones. Mona Lisa is

518
00:33:34,040 --> 00:33:37,200
Speaker 1: so ubiquitous that you you kind of don't notice it

519
00:33:37,280 --> 00:33:39,040
Speaker 1: when you see it. It's just like, yeah, the Mona Lisa.

520
00:33:39,080 --> 00:33:41,719
Speaker 1: I know that as a as an icon um. But

521
00:33:41,760 --> 00:33:44,120
Speaker 1: if you go in and look at the detail and

522
00:33:44,200 --> 00:33:47,320
Speaker 1: like read something about you know what critics say about it,

523
00:33:47,720 --> 00:33:49,640
Speaker 1: You're like, oh, ship, yeah, there is so much more

524
00:33:49,760 --> 00:33:53,240
Speaker 1: there than you're seeing right off the bat um. Almost

525
00:33:53,280 --> 00:33:56,240
Speaker 1: wish you could see it for the first time without

526
00:33:56,360 --> 00:33:59,320
Speaker 1: knowing that it's the Mona Lisa, right, and a fresh

527
00:33:59,320 --> 00:34:03,960
Speaker 1: perspective on it. And this painting of Alma is I

528
00:34:04,000 --> 00:34:06,440
Speaker 1: mean he he literally did design it after the Mona Lisa.

529
00:34:06,480 --> 00:34:09,239
Speaker 1: It was his version of that um in his own

530
00:34:09,239 --> 00:34:12,960
Speaker 1: weird style um. And it's pretty it's it's pretty wild

531
00:34:13,080 --> 00:34:17,080
Speaker 1: to see, so look it up now. Almah's husband, the

532
00:34:17,160 --> 00:34:20,960
Speaker 1: composer Gustav Mueller, had died less than a year before

533
00:34:21,000 --> 00:34:24,760
Speaker 1: she met Oscar. During the ten years that they were married,

534
00:34:25,000 --> 00:34:28,680
Speaker 1: she had several affairs, and after he died she turned

535
00:34:28,719 --> 00:34:31,399
Speaker 1: down many men, including a lot of his friends, who

536
00:34:31,440 --> 00:34:35,200
Speaker 1: came up to comfort her, and that that old story

537
00:34:35,880 --> 00:34:40,200
Speaker 1: to her and she continued to enjoy her freedom, and

538
00:34:40,239 --> 00:34:42,799
Speaker 1: she even pursued being a biologist for a little while,

539
00:34:43,280 --> 00:34:46,400
Speaker 1: although another side story will get into her With her episode,

540
00:34:46,800 --> 00:34:49,000
Speaker 1: the guy she was working with kind of fell in

541
00:34:49,000 --> 00:34:52,400
Speaker 1: love with her, and then he was like, if you

542
00:34:52,600 --> 00:34:55,680
Speaker 1: leave me, I'll give up biology forever. And she was like,

543
00:34:55,719 --> 00:34:57,960
Speaker 1: I need to stop being a biologist, and she walked

544
00:34:57,960 --> 00:35:01,000
Speaker 1: away from that. She just said, I thought the scientists

545
00:35:01,000 --> 00:35:02,880
Speaker 1: would be a little more chill than the artists, but

546
00:35:03,000 --> 00:35:06,759
Speaker 1: y'all all dramatic. But when men approached her, Almas tried

547
00:35:06,760 --> 00:35:10,120
Speaker 1: to determine if they were clever and interesting enough to

548
00:35:10,280 --> 00:35:14,480
Speaker 1: make up for their flaws, which, according to artchive dot com,

549
00:35:14,520 --> 00:35:20,480
Speaker 1: she considered to be quote craziness, unattractiveness, differences in age,

550
00:35:21,000 --> 00:35:24,319
Speaker 1: and Jewish roots. All right, you had me in the

551
00:35:24,320 --> 00:35:29,080
Speaker 1: first half, but you lost me at the unbelievable. This

552
00:35:29,160 --> 00:35:34,600
Speaker 1: woman well in walks Oscar Kokoshka, who was apparently clever

553
00:35:34,640 --> 00:35:38,480
Speaker 1: and interesting enough to make up for his craziness, and hey,

554
00:35:38,600 --> 00:35:41,160
Speaker 1: he wasn't Jewish. Although I do want to point out

555
00:35:41,440 --> 00:35:45,239
Speaker 1: here that Oscar in the nineteen twenties and thirties was

556
00:35:45,360 --> 00:35:49,640
Speaker 1: a fierce critic of Nazi anti Semitism, and he even

557
00:35:49,680 --> 00:35:52,360
Speaker 1: resigned from teaching at a school he was teaching at

558
00:35:52,520 --> 00:35:57,279
Speaker 1: when they expelled Jewish students. So Oscar not an anti Semite,

559
00:35:57,520 --> 00:36:00,279
Speaker 1: were cool with him on that front, just love one.

560
00:36:00,440 --> 00:36:05,480
Speaker 1: Al Mamala definitely an anti Semite. Cool, not cool, very uncool.

561
00:36:05,920 --> 00:36:09,359
Speaker 1: We hear ridiculous romance, are against anti Semitism, and we're

562
00:36:09,400 --> 00:36:13,879
Speaker 1: not ashamed to say it. So the two of them

563
00:36:14,160 --> 00:36:18,640
Speaker 1: fell in love. Oscar said, quote, how beautiful she was,

564
00:36:18,920 --> 00:36:23,120
Speaker 1: how seductive behind her veil of dreams. I was enchanted

565
00:36:23,120 --> 00:36:27,520
Speaker 1: by her. What an artist. And Almah thought this guy

566
00:36:28,160 --> 00:36:31,399
Speaker 1: was reckless and brilliant, and that was enough to rope

567
00:36:31,400 --> 00:36:34,600
Speaker 1: her in right. She saw murder hope of women, and

568
00:36:34,680 --> 00:36:38,799
Speaker 1: she was like, yes, this is my guy. Guys just

569
00:36:39,000 --> 00:36:43,319
Speaker 1: cuckoo enough. I'd also love to murder the murder the

570
00:36:43,360 --> 00:36:49,200
Speaker 1: hope of me. But she did also have a little

571
00:36:49,239 --> 00:36:54,040
Speaker 1: thing going on with the architect Walter Gropius. He was

572
00:36:54,080 --> 00:37:01,120
Speaker 1: Gropius singing her. Gropius sounds like the worst Terry Potter character.

573
00:37:01,960 --> 00:37:05,680
Speaker 1: They're like, well, oh no, Walter Gropius got into Hogwarts again.

574
00:37:05,760 --> 00:37:10,160
Speaker 1: Walter Gropius, You've been ordered to stay feet from Hogwarts

575
00:37:10,200 --> 00:37:14,239
Speaker 1: in all times. Dumbledore is like, well, we almost had

576
00:37:14,239 --> 00:37:16,839
Speaker 1: a new defense against the dark arts teacher, but turned

577
00:37:16,840 --> 00:37:20,200
Speaker 1: out to be Walter Gropius had to kick him out.

578
00:37:23,320 --> 00:37:27,960
Speaker 1: So still on the lookout cursed position? Am I right now?

579
00:37:28,040 --> 00:37:31,800
Speaker 1: All the likes to hedge her bets. So she kept

580
00:37:31,800 --> 00:37:35,920
Speaker 1: her correspondence going with Walter and kept her fling with

581
00:37:35,960 --> 00:37:38,600
Speaker 1: Oscar a secret. She's kind of which one are y'all

582
00:37:38,640 --> 00:37:42,400
Speaker 1: are gonna really take it home? It's like I'm examining

583
00:37:42,440 --> 00:37:46,239
Speaker 1: your family trees, which one of you stay? But this

584
00:37:46,280 --> 00:37:49,040
Speaker 1: didn't last too long though, because Walter went to see

585
00:37:49,040 --> 00:37:53,040
Speaker 1: an exhibition in Berlin where Oscar had created a painting

586
00:37:53,160 --> 00:37:58,359
Speaker 1: of himself and Alma intertwined in bed and it was

587
00:37:58,400 --> 00:38:02,520
Speaker 1: titled in Gay each Mint. So Walter season, He's like, ha,

588
00:38:03,040 --> 00:38:05,760
Speaker 1: that's funny. I thought I was hanging out with this bitch.

589
00:38:05,840 --> 00:38:09,960
Speaker 1: Turns out he's over here getting her portrait painted man

590
00:38:10,040 --> 00:38:14,680
Speaker 1: with somebody else like you versus the guy she tells

591
00:38:14,680 --> 00:38:17,080
Speaker 1: you not to worry about, and it's like a painting

592
00:38:17,120 --> 00:38:22,120
Speaker 1: of them in bed together. He's just a portrait artist, friends. Yeah,

593
00:38:22,160 --> 00:38:27,200
Speaker 1: it's a figment of his crazed imagination. So after that,

594
00:38:27,280 --> 00:38:29,960
Speaker 1: Walter cut things off with Almah. He's like, clearly you're

595
00:38:30,040 --> 00:38:33,080
Speaker 1: fucking this other guy. I'm gonna go gropy as somebody else.

596
00:38:34,719 --> 00:38:37,640
Speaker 1: But of course, despite the title of the painting, Almah

597
00:38:37,680 --> 00:38:42,040
Speaker 1: and Oscar were not engaged, and Oscar was actually aggressively

598
00:38:42,239 --> 00:38:45,680
Speaker 1: jealous of all the attention and affection that Alma got.

599
00:38:46,520 --> 00:38:50,320
Speaker 1: I mean her close friends or public admirers drove him crazy,

600
00:38:51,000 --> 00:38:53,440
Speaker 1: which is, you know, if you're gonna be that jealous,

601
00:38:53,480 --> 00:38:57,080
Speaker 1: maybe dating a socialite who's famous for being like beautiful

602
00:38:57,080 --> 00:38:59,160
Speaker 1: and sleeping to a bunch of people is not a

603
00:38:59,239 --> 00:39:02,480
Speaker 1: girl for you. Bad idea. Yeah, he fell for He

604
00:39:02,560 --> 00:39:05,839
Speaker 1: was even jealous of her dead husband, Gustav. Okay, now

605
00:39:05,880 --> 00:39:10,160
Speaker 1: that's a little much. The guy's dead, Like what's he doing?

606
00:39:10,400 --> 00:39:13,040
Speaker 1: How's he a threat to you? And again we'll get

607
00:39:13,080 --> 00:39:14,880
Speaker 1: into that in her episode. But it's not like she

608
00:39:15,000 --> 00:39:18,200
Speaker 1: was very loyal to him, so you don't have to

609
00:39:18,239 --> 00:39:21,719
Speaker 1: be jealous of him even in life. But Oscar was.

610
00:39:21,760 --> 00:39:25,040
Speaker 1: He only painted Alma for a very long time, and

611
00:39:25,160 --> 00:39:28,759
Speaker 1: if she didn't write to him every day, he would

612
00:39:28,760 --> 00:39:31,600
Speaker 1: go nuts. He said in one of his letters, quote,

613
00:39:32,000 --> 00:39:35,239
Speaker 1: I must have you for my wife, or my genius

614
00:39:35,239 --> 00:39:39,560
Speaker 1: will self destruct. You must resuscitate my soul each night

615
00:39:39,920 --> 00:39:42,840
Speaker 1: like an alixir, which is like the artist version of

616
00:39:42,840 --> 00:39:44,880
Speaker 1: I'll kill myself if you leave me. You know. I

617
00:39:44,960 --> 00:39:47,239
Speaker 1: was like, cool, I get to write more letters. What

618
00:39:47,320 --> 00:39:51,400
Speaker 1: a great chory you've given me. Yeah, this was not

619
00:39:51,440 --> 00:39:54,400
Speaker 1: Almah's speed. She's probably wondering what she got herself into

620
00:39:54,440 --> 00:39:57,040
Speaker 1: with this guy. She didn't want to get married to

621
00:39:57,080 --> 00:40:00,520
Speaker 1: Oscar or really anyone, and she didn't like being tied

622
00:40:00,520 --> 00:40:04,200
Speaker 1: down too tightly, especially to this guy who's pretty wacky.

623
00:40:04,239 --> 00:40:08,680
Speaker 1: But then Alma got pregnant with Oscar and it wasn't

624
00:40:08,680 --> 00:40:11,240
Speaker 1: even a question. Alma immediately went to get an abortion.

625
00:40:11,920 --> 00:40:15,440
Speaker 1: Oscar is only twenty six, Almas thirty five. She flat

626
00:40:15,480 --> 00:40:17,919
Speaker 1: out knew that this was the wrong plan for them

627
00:40:18,080 --> 00:40:20,239
Speaker 1: going forward. I don't want a kid with this guy.

628
00:40:20,320 --> 00:40:23,839
Speaker 1: This is not how you start a happy family. No uh.

629
00:40:23,920 --> 00:40:29,000
Speaker 1: And according to artchive dot Org, Oscar took the bloodstained

630
00:40:29,080 --> 00:40:32,359
Speaker 1: dress from her and carried it around with him and

631
00:40:32,480 --> 00:40:37,000
Speaker 1: kept repeating quote, this is my only child and always

632
00:40:37,160 --> 00:40:41,680
Speaker 1: will be okay when your man's actually holding the red

633
00:40:41,719 --> 00:40:47,239
Speaker 1: flag in his hand, like, oh, I should have paid

634
00:40:47,239 --> 00:40:51,719
Speaker 1: attention all those metaphorical red flags earlier I'd be like, oh,

635
00:40:51,800 --> 00:40:54,440
Speaker 1: here's some underwear that I like, got my period on?

636
00:40:54,560 --> 00:40:57,040
Speaker 1: You want to carry those around? You could also been

637
00:40:57,080 --> 00:41:03,680
Speaker 1: a baby, you never know, you're like blood I got plenty. Well.

638
00:41:03,680 --> 00:41:06,759
Speaker 1: As time went on, Alma just felt like smothered by

639
00:41:06,960 --> 00:41:11,360
Speaker 1: Oscar's passion like insistence on letters every day and carrying

640
00:41:11,360 --> 00:41:14,000
Speaker 1: her on her bloody clothes just like a lot, Oscar,

641
00:41:14,120 --> 00:41:17,040
Speaker 1: It's a lot. So she went on more and more

642
00:41:17,080 --> 00:41:22,359
Speaker 1: trips with friends that good old Dorothy Putnam prescription, and

643
00:41:22,560 --> 00:41:25,560
Speaker 1: she just tried to find reasons to like be away

644
00:41:25,560 --> 00:41:28,000
Speaker 1: from him as much as possible. The sign of a

645
00:41:28,160 --> 00:41:31,879
Speaker 1: very strong relationship. She gets home from the store, Oh

646
00:41:32,000 --> 00:41:34,160
Speaker 1: you know what, I shoot, I forgot something. I gotta

647
00:41:34,200 --> 00:41:37,000
Speaker 1: go back to the store for a few hours. Do

648
00:41:37,080 --> 00:41:39,600
Speaker 1: you think she even make up an excuse her just

649
00:41:39,880 --> 00:41:41,560
Speaker 1: like you know, Oscar, I'm just real sick of you.

650
00:41:41,640 --> 00:41:44,960
Speaker 1: Right now, I'm going to take a walk. The Guardian

651
00:41:45,040 --> 00:41:49,240
Speaker 1: says Oscar was probably the only man she ever really loved,

652
00:41:49,800 --> 00:41:53,320
Speaker 1: and years later Almah admitted that Kokoshka was her only

653
00:41:53,400 --> 00:41:57,440
Speaker 1: true boyfriend and that she truly loved his artistry. So

654
00:41:57,480 --> 00:41:59,680
Speaker 1: she did really have some deep feelings for him, but

655
00:41:59,719 --> 00:42:01,360
Speaker 1: it was just like he was just too much. It

656
00:42:01,440 --> 00:42:03,480
Speaker 1: was a lot. Yeah, he was just too much, and

657
00:42:03,560 --> 00:42:06,880
Speaker 1: I get that that's she sucks, but like, oh yeah,

658
00:42:06,920 --> 00:42:11,480
Speaker 1: he's kind of acting insane. But Alma wanted out of

659
00:42:11,520 --> 00:42:14,960
Speaker 1: this relationship now, and maybe understandably she didn't think that

660
00:42:15,000 --> 00:42:17,640
Speaker 1: he would take a breakup too well. I wonder what

661
00:42:17,680 --> 00:42:21,080
Speaker 1: made her think that the whole I'd probably kill myself.

662
00:42:21,080 --> 00:42:23,799
Speaker 1: You didn't write to me every day, right, So in

663
00:42:23,960 --> 00:42:28,719
Speaker 1: ninet she came up with her own that ship plan.

664
00:42:29,040 --> 00:42:32,120
Speaker 1: She turned to him and said, hey, I'll tell you

665
00:42:32,160 --> 00:42:38,600
Speaker 1: what I'll marry you, but only if you create an

666
00:42:38,719 --> 00:42:45,840
Speaker 1: artistic masterpiece, which is insane like for her to be like, well, okay,

667
00:42:45,880 --> 00:42:47,680
Speaker 1: i'll tell you what I will marry you, which is

668
00:42:47,719 --> 00:42:49,719
Speaker 1: not the thing you should tell someone who wants to

669
00:42:49,719 --> 00:42:52,279
Speaker 1: marry you but you don't want to marry don't lead

670
00:42:52,320 --> 00:42:55,640
Speaker 1: with I will marry you if bad choice of words.

671
00:42:56,600 --> 00:42:59,040
Speaker 1: I guess she's thinking maybe that he would get flustered

672
00:42:59,120 --> 00:43:01,920
Speaker 1: and like not be able to create this masterpiece and

673
00:43:01,920 --> 00:43:04,480
Speaker 1: then blame himself and then just leave her and be

674
00:43:04,520 --> 00:43:06,440
Speaker 1: like I'm not good enough for you. I couldn't do it,

675
00:43:06,600 --> 00:43:08,719
Speaker 1: so I have to leave you, you you know, And then

676
00:43:08,719 --> 00:43:11,040
Speaker 1: you wouldn't fault her for leaving. I don't know speculation

677
00:43:11,120 --> 00:43:13,160
Speaker 1: station as to whether or not that's what was going

678
00:43:13,200 --> 00:43:17,479
Speaker 1: through her head, but y'all, Oscar loved her too much,

679
00:43:17,960 --> 00:43:23,600
Speaker 1: so he actually painted a masterpiece. It's this. It's this

680
00:43:23,680 --> 00:43:25,759
Speaker 1: painting of the two of them in bed in the

681
00:43:25,760 --> 00:43:29,000
Speaker 1: middle of a storm and she's like clinging to him

682
00:43:29,160 --> 00:43:31,640
Speaker 1: with her eyes closed as he sort of looks outward,

683
00:43:31,760 --> 00:43:34,319
Speaker 1: protecting her from the elements. And it really is like

684
00:43:34,440 --> 00:43:37,799
Speaker 1: a very remarkable painting. It's called The Bride of the

685
00:43:37,840 --> 00:43:40,600
Speaker 1: Wind if you want to look it up, because I

686
00:43:40,640 --> 00:43:43,160
Speaker 1: was impressed by it. He's not my style, but I

687
00:43:43,200 --> 00:43:44,680
Speaker 1: saw this and I was like, damn, this is a

688
00:43:44,760 --> 00:43:51,359
Speaker 1: really uh just tumultuous, like you know, energetic painting. It's

689
00:43:51,360 --> 00:43:54,840
Speaker 1: pretty cool. So now almost like, oh ship, he did it.

690
00:43:56,360 --> 00:43:58,960
Speaker 1: She needed another excuse to not marry this guy who

691
00:43:59,000 --> 00:44:01,080
Speaker 1: she definitely didn't want to marr Who would have thought

692
00:44:01,080 --> 00:44:05,480
Speaker 1: this great artist, he's a great art weird inspired by

693
00:44:05,600 --> 00:44:09,279
Speaker 1: the person who inspires him the most. After I threw

694
00:44:09,280 --> 00:44:13,600
Speaker 1: down a gauntlet, who knew Lucky for Almah the Great

695
00:44:13,640 --> 00:44:17,040
Speaker 1: War had broken out? Oh my god, Oh yes, we'll

696
00:44:17,080 --> 00:44:19,560
Speaker 1: let the draft office break up with this guy for me,

697
00:44:19,640 --> 00:44:22,520
Speaker 1: I said, I mean, look, if anyone was excited about

698
00:44:22,560 --> 00:44:29,520
Speaker 1: the World Wars terrible bit. So she starts calling Oscar

699
00:44:29,760 --> 00:44:34,279
Speaker 1: a coward for not taking part, and she insulted him

700
00:44:34,320 --> 00:44:36,799
Speaker 1: like this so many times that he went out and

701
00:44:36,880 --> 00:44:42,280
Speaker 1: joined the fifteen Imperial Dragoons, which was a cavalry division. Alma,

702
00:44:43,200 --> 00:44:47,319
Speaker 1: that is insane. Bullying someone into joining the army is

703
00:44:47,360 --> 00:44:50,120
Speaker 1: a whole another level of gaslighting. You know. That's that

704
00:44:50,200 --> 00:44:52,840
Speaker 1: is an abusive relationship right straight up, was like, I

705
00:44:52,880 --> 00:44:55,160
Speaker 1: hope you get killed on the front, so I don't

706
00:44:55,160 --> 00:44:59,000
Speaker 1: have to break up with you. Come on, girl, just

707
00:44:59,160 --> 00:45:05,239
Speaker 1: face the mus it. So Oscar sold the Bride of

708
00:45:05,239 --> 00:45:08,719
Speaker 1: the Wind his masterpiece, and used the money to buy

709
00:45:08,760 --> 00:45:11,160
Speaker 1: the best horse. I guess you would want the best

710
00:45:11,200 --> 00:45:15,479
Speaker 1: horse if you're in a horse war. Right now, maybe

711
00:45:15,480 --> 00:45:19,520
Speaker 1: not so useful, but at the time going Iraq about

712
00:45:19,560 --> 00:45:23,000
Speaker 1: the best horse I could find, Everybody's like, oh, good

713
00:45:23,080 --> 00:45:26,919
Speaker 1: luck to you. But the best horse didn't help him.

714
00:45:27,600 --> 00:45:32,520
Speaker 1: War was brutal for everyone, but especially Oscar. He was

715
00:45:32,680 --> 00:45:36,080
Speaker 1: stabbed in the lung by a bayonet and later he

716
00:45:36,160 --> 00:45:40,240
Speaker 1: was shot clean through the head, and Viennese newspapers actually

717
00:45:40,280 --> 00:45:44,160
Speaker 1: declared him dead. Sure, he got shot in the head exactly. Well,

718
00:45:44,239 --> 00:45:46,320
Speaker 1: oh well, I guess we don't need any more information.

719
00:45:46,640 --> 00:45:57,640
Speaker 1: But he actually survived, which is bowling my mind. Sorry,

720
00:45:58,440 --> 00:46:04,000
Speaker 1: still your joke right, and almost probably like few my

721
00:46:04,160 --> 00:46:07,759
Speaker 1: plan worked perfect. Oh ship, he's still alive. And she

722
00:46:07,840 --> 00:46:10,239
Speaker 1: heard the news that he was recovering in a hospital.

723
00:46:11,040 --> 00:46:14,399
Speaker 1: She said, quote, none of this bothers me. I don't

724
00:46:14,400 --> 00:46:16,719
Speaker 1: believe he's as badly as wounded as he says he is.

725
00:46:17,080 --> 00:46:21,000
Speaker 1: I don't believe one thing this man says anymore. Oh God,

726
00:46:21,280 --> 00:46:25,040
Speaker 1: And she rushed to his studio. She snatched up all

727
00:46:25,120 --> 00:46:28,160
Speaker 1: her letters that she had sent to him and any

728
00:46:28,239 --> 00:46:31,600
Speaker 1: revealing drawings that he had done of her, and never

729
00:46:31,640 --> 00:46:36,879
Speaker 1: saw him again. Unbelievable, terrible, like this is your one

730
00:46:36,920 --> 00:46:40,759
Speaker 1: true love, supposedly, and he is like in a hospital

731
00:46:40,840 --> 00:46:44,239
Speaker 1: recovering from war that you made him go to, and

732
00:46:44,280 --> 00:46:46,799
Speaker 1: you're like, you'll get all my ship out of your

733
00:46:46,880 --> 00:46:50,240
Speaker 1: studio and never see you again. He was shot through

734
00:46:50,320 --> 00:46:53,920
Speaker 1: the head. His left hand was paralyzed from this, and

735
00:46:53,960 --> 00:46:56,279
Speaker 1: he was unconscious on the battlefield because you know, he

736
00:46:56,280 --> 00:46:58,480
Speaker 1: had been shot in the head, and they thought he

737
00:46:58,560 --> 00:47:01,959
Speaker 1: was dead. And she's not as bad, as he says,

738
00:47:02,000 --> 00:47:07,080
Speaker 1: it is what a drama queen like. Who cares, man,

739
00:47:07,120 --> 00:47:09,080
Speaker 1: It's not like a bayonet to the lung And then

740
00:47:09,200 --> 00:47:14,040
Speaker 1: you got one of those two, Well, shut up, quit

741
00:47:14,080 --> 00:47:16,320
Speaker 1: bitching about it. It's not like a bayonet to post lungs.

742
00:47:16,960 --> 00:47:20,960
Speaker 1: What else you got get shot through the head and survived.

743
00:47:21,000 --> 00:47:24,319
Speaker 1: I don't see, Oh my god. And then she went

744
00:47:24,320 --> 00:47:27,480
Speaker 1: and stole all of the letters she sent him and

745
00:47:27,640 --> 00:47:30,279
Speaker 1: the story and this was her m O again, the

746
00:47:30,280 --> 00:47:33,440
Speaker 1: whole episode coming on her later. But she uh forged

747
00:47:33,480 --> 00:47:36,000
Speaker 1: a lot of letters in her previous marriage to make

748
00:47:36,040 --> 00:47:38,239
Speaker 1: it look like her husband treated her more badly than

749
00:47:38,280 --> 00:47:41,239
Speaker 1: he really did, and then snatched up all the nice

750
00:47:41,320 --> 00:47:43,560
Speaker 1: letters that she wrote to him and burned them because

751
00:47:43,560 --> 00:47:46,600
Speaker 1: she didn't want people to know that she actually liked him. Wow,

752
00:47:47,160 --> 00:47:54,120
Speaker 1: she is raise a bitch. Sucks. And she actually ended

753
00:47:54,160 --> 00:47:57,160
Speaker 1: up marrying Walter Gropius, So I don't want he came

754
00:47:57,160 --> 00:48:00,439
Speaker 1: back for more. It didn't last, I'll tell you that much.

755
00:48:00,520 --> 00:48:02,799
Speaker 1: She ended up getting married a couple more times. Well

756
00:48:02,880 --> 00:48:06,400
Speaker 1: he should have freaking cut ties and he saw that

757
00:48:06,480 --> 00:48:09,480
Speaker 1: painting and moved on with his life. But sorry, group,

758
00:48:11,040 --> 00:48:14,320
Speaker 1: so Oscar is in the hospital. Recovering from getting shot

759
00:48:14,320 --> 00:48:16,960
Speaker 1: in the head and stabbed in the lung. Um. But

760
00:48:17,040 --> 00:48:19,799
Speaker 1: while he was there, he was being Oscar and they

761
00:48:19,880 --> 00:48:22,640
Speaker 1: declared him mentally unstable. While he was at the hospital,

762
00:48:23,160 --> 00:48:26,600
Speaker 1: Um he did actually go back into battle at a

763
00:48:26,600 --> 00:48:29,279
Speaker 1: certain point, dealt with a lot of shell shock was

764
00:48:29,320 --> 00:48:33,080
Speaker 1: really bad. Um. Eventually he got out, he recovered, and

765
00:48:33,160 --> 00:48:36,200
Speaker 1: he continued to his career as an artist, traveling Europe

766
00:48:36,200 --> 00:48:41,600
Speaker 1: and painting everything. But he suffered hallucinations and terrible memories

767
00:48:41,640 --> 00:48:46,440
Speaker 1: from the war. Like you do. Shell shocked, he totally

768
00:48:46,520 --> 00:48:49,120
Speaker 1: lost his grip on reality and he centered all of

769
00:48:49,200 --> 00:48:53,719
Speaker 1: his trauma on his obsession with Alma. He wanted her

770
00:48:53,760 --> 00:48:58,319
Speaker 1: back in any form he could find her, so he

771
00:48:58,400 --> 00:49:02,880
Speaker 1: reached out to a woman named Ermine Moves, and she

772
00:49:03,000 --> 00:49:06,160
Speaker 1: was a painter who ended up finding success as a

773
00:49:06,239 --> 00:49:09,920
Speaker 1: doll maker. Oscar had seen her work in Dresden and

774
00:49:09,960 --> 00:49:12,719
Speaker 1: he thought, Hey, you know what would really fill this

775
00:49:12,840 --> 00:49:17,080
Speaker 1: Almah shaped hole in my heart? An Almah shaped doll.

776
00:49:18,120 --> 00:49:23,600
Speaker 1: So he commissioned Ermine Moves to do exactly that, and

777
00:49:23,680 --> 00:49:29,520
Speaker 1: he was incredibly specific with her in his commission. Ermine

778
00:49:29,560 --> 00:49:33,360
Speaker 1: had mostly crocheted her dolls, but Oscar wrote her a

779
00:49:33,440 --> 00:49:38,480
Speaker 1: letter saying, quote, dear fraeulein moves. Can the mouth open

780
00:49:39,120 --> 00:49:42,399
Speaker 1: and are their teeth and tongue inside too? I would

781
00:49:42,440 --> 00:49:46,600
Speaker 1: be happy. Don't fall into stylization with the eyes. Maybe

782
00:49:46,719 --> 00:49:50,080
Speaker 1: glaze the callous with nail polish. It would be nice

783
00:49:50,120 --> 00:49:53,520
Speaker 1: if you could also close the eyelids. And nowhere do

784
00:49:53,560 --> 00:49:56,359
Speaker 1: you allow seams in places where you think it hurts me?

785
00:49:56,719 --> 00:50:02,440
Speaker 1: And remind me that the fetish is a wretched Bellows say.

786
00:50:02,920 --> 00:50:05,719
Speaker 1: Her mind is reading this letter, like what doll is

787
00:50:05,840 --> 00:50:10,319
Speaker 1: going on with this guy? I made dolls for children, sir,

788
00:50:11,000 --> 00:50:15,240
Speaker 1: you want a tongue? He wants like the most technologically

789
00:50:15,320 --> 00:50:19,480
Speaker 1: advanced doll of all time? These eyes open and closed.

790
00:50:19,520 --> 00:50:26,160
Speaker 1: I mean she's like, she's like, okay, I guess I'll

791
00:50:26,920 --> 00:50:33,279
Speaker 1: go find some teeth somewhere. I mean, she has got

792
00:50:33,280 --> 00:50:37,080
Speaker 1: to be thinking, like probably again speculation station what was

793
00:50:37,120 --> 00:50:40,279
Speaker 1: actually going on in her head. But I'm thinking she

794
00:50:40,400 --> 00:50:43,879
Speaker 1: thinks this guy is so crazy that whatever she gives him,

795
00:50:44,160 --> 00:50:46,240
Speaker 1: he's going to be like, oh, it's a real woman,

796
00:50:46,360 --> 00:50:50,439
Speaker 1: thank you. She's probably like, okay, dude, whatever, here's your doll.

797
00:50:52,200 --> 00:50:54,400
Speaker 1: And he keeps sending her more and more of these

798
00:50:54,480 --> 00:50:59,400
Speaker 1: instruction letters, and the details are outrageous, he wrote to her, quote,

799
00:51:00,440 --> 00:51:04,400
Speaker 1: please permit my sense of touch to take pleasure in

800
00:51:04,440 --> 00:51:08,439
Speaker 1: those places where layers of fat or muscle suddenly give

801
00:51:08,480 --> 00:51:12,640
Speaker 1: way to a sinewy covering of skin. For the first

802
00:51:12,719 --> 00:51:17,600
Speaker 1: layer inside, please use fine curly horsehair. You must buy

803
00:51:17,640 --> 00:51:21,240
Speaker 1: an old sofa or something and have the horsehair disinfected.

804
00:51:21,960 --> 00:51:25,040
Speaker 1: The point of all this for me is an experience

805
00:51:25,200 --> 00:51:30,080
Speaker 1: which I must be able to embrace. So he's telling her, like, yeah,

806
00:51:30,200 --> 00:51:34,200
Speaker 1: get an old couch and make it feel just like

807
00:51:34,280 --> 00:51:36,319
Speaker 1: a person, so that I can feel like bone and

808
00:51:36,400 --> 00:51:39,560
Speaker 1: muscle and tendons and stuff underneath. I wanted to feel

809
00:51:39,600 --> 00:51:42,560
Speaker 1: like I'm touching an actual human being. We don't have

810
00:51:42,640 --> 00:51:45,800
Speaker 1: this technology yet now, Like the most advanced sex dolls

811
00:51:45,800 --> 00:51:49,680
Speaker 1: now are just starting to match his descriptions here. Irman

812
00:51:49,880 --> 00:51:53,160
Speaker 1: is like, I'm so out of my element, right, she's

813
00:51:53,200 --> 00:51:56,840
Speaker 1: like a sofa. Okay, I got a sofa to all

814
00:51:56,880 --> 00:52:00,920
Speaker 1: out of a sofa. I'm so confing, And she's like

815
00:52:01,120 --> 00:52:04,560
Speaker 1: disreffecting horsehair for like a week and a half, Like

816
00:52:04,719 --> 00:52:08,160
Speaker 1: why am I doing this? Like I am charging by

817
00:52:08,160 --> 00:52:15,360
Speaker 1: the hour, living charged by the sofa. You pay for

818
00:52:15,400 --> 00:52:21,359
Speaker 1: supplies and Another letter from Oscar reads quote, I am

819
00:52:21,440 --> 00:52:24,440
Speaker 1: very curious to see how the stuffing works. I am

820
00:52:24,480 --> 00:52:27,640
Speaker 1: really extremely impatient to find out what that will be

821
00:52:27,719 --> 00:52:30,239
Speaker 1: like and how its texture will vary according to the

822
00:52:30,320 --> 00:52:34,040
Speaker 1: nature of the part of body it belongs to. Yeah right,

823
00:52:34,400 --> 00:52:37,400
Speaker 1: I'm working it out, bro. Quote. If you are able

824
00:52:37,440 --> 00:52:40,640
Speaker 1: to carry out this task to deceive me with such

825
00:52:40,840 --> 00:52:44,040
Speaker 1: magic that when I see it and touch, imagine that

826
00:52:44,080 --> 00:52:46,399
Speaker 1: I have the woman of my dreams in front of me,

827
00:52:46,880 --> 00:52:50,880
Speaker 1: then dear Fraeudline moves, I will be eternally indebted to

828
00:52:50,960 --> 00:52:56,440
Speaker 1: your skills of invention and your womanly sensitivity. She's just like,

829
00:52:56,480 --> 00:53:00,560
Speaker 1: I'll be indebted to something I don't know. She's like, well,

830
00:53:00,600 --> 00:53:02,600
Speaker 1: I got a bunch of trash together and body parts

831
00:53:02,600 --> 00:53:04,520
Speaker 1: like asked me, and I guess someone to cobble them

832
00:53:04,520 --> 00:53:07,200
Speaker 1: together into something, and I hope that it does it

833
00:53:07,320 --> 00:53:10,640
Speaker 1: for you. Oh my god. There's been a lot of

834
00:53:11,200 --> 00:53:14,400
Speaker 1: conversation I found some some research to or people discuss

835
00:53:15,160 --> 00:53:18,520
Speaker 1: Oscar's idea that you can just fabricate a woman as

836
00:53:18,520 --> 00:53:21,480
Speaker 1: an object, and that also that he needed a woman

837
00:53:21,640 --> 00:53:24,279
Speaker 1: to sort of birth it for him. Yeah, you know,

838
00:53:24,320 --> 00:53:28,239
Speaker 1: and use her own womanly sensitivity. To understand what this

839
00:53:28,280 --> 00:53:31,560
Speaker 1: man would need from a sex doll, which is so

840
00:53:31,800 --> 00:53:39,040
Speaker 1: strange too. I don't know. I can't even there. I

841
00:53:39,040 --> 00:53:41,759
Speaker 1: can't put my brain into this, you know what I mean?

842
00:53:41,920 --> 00:53:44,760
Speaker 1: I really try to put myself in someone else's shoes

843
00:53:44,920 --> 00:53:47,160
Speaker 1: and be like, I guess I can see why someone

844
00:53:47,400 --> 00:53:51,360
Speaker 1: I do not understand why he thought poor Ermine could

845
00:53:51,360 --> 00:53:53,840
Speaker 1: do this and would understand what he was going for

846
00:53:54,080 --> 00:53:57,840
Speaker 1: and would enter into it enough to like, I don't know,

847
00:53:57,920 --> 00:54:00,239
Speaker 1: buy some leather. I guess is that what he like?

848
00:54:00,360 --> 00:54:02,920
Speaker 1: Get some leather around the arms and then make it

849
00:54:03,000 --> 00:54:07,600
Speaker 1: softer around her breast area. I just don't right now.

850
00:54:08,120 --> 00:54:10,359
Speaker 1: Poor I mean she she was like, I just wanted

851
00:54:10,360 --> 00:54:12,719
Speaker 1: to make some dolls for kids, Like you wonder if

852
00:54:12,760 --> 00:54:17,000
Speaker 1: he's like, he's an artist, so he's used to the

853
00:54:17,040 --> 00:54:20,560
Speaker 1: idea of like, there's an image in my head, and

854
00:54:20,680 --> 00:54:22,960
Speaker 1: I know what I need to do to create it

855
00:54:23,000 --> 00:54:25,600
Speaker 1: in the real world. So you're an artist, you're a

856
00:54:25,640 --> 00:54:27,839
Speaker 1: doll maker. If I put the image in your head,

857
00:54:27,880 --> 00:54:30,719
Speaker 1: then surely you'll be able to make it a real thing,

858
00:54:31,400 --> 00:54:34,919
Speaker 1: even though realism is not his bag. So I don't

859
00:54:34,920 --> 00:54:37,000
Speaker 1: know why he thinks that someone can just like create

860
00:54:37,040 --> 00:54:42,440
Speaker 1: this very realistic, you know, humanoid sex doll. He's like,

861
00:54:42,480 --> 00:54:44,239
Speaker 1: I don't want an expression to sex doll. I can

862
00:54:44,280 --> 00:54:47,879
Speaker 1: make that myself, reminded one. I I mean, I want

863
00:54:47,880 --> 00:54:50,399
Speaker 1: a realistic sex doll for once. I've seen all your

864
00:54:50,480 --> 00:54:53,480
Speaker 1: crochet miniatures, so I know you can do. This is

865
00:54:53,960 --> 00:54:56,680
Speaker 1: a very big leap, huge, you know. And there's a

866
00:54:56,680 --> 00:55:00,400
Speaker 1: lot of conversation about this guy did take bullet to

867
00:55:00,480 --> 00:55:04,520
Speaker 1: the brain. Um, this guy was already had a loose

868
00:55:04,560 --> 00:55:09,080
Speaker 1: grip on reality and and on what women were as well.

869
00:55:10,120 --> 00:55:13,480
Speaker 1: Uh so who knows, who knows where he's getting all this?

870
00:55:14,800 --> 00:55:21,360
Speaker 1: So after a year, Armine finally finishes this doll, and y'all,

871
00:55:21,400 --> 00:55:26,319
Speaker 1: it is horrifying. It is leveally words that I can

872
00:55:26,360 --> 00:55:29,440
Speaker 1: find for it. First of all, it is covered in

873
00:55:29,520 --> 00:55:35,160
Speaker 1: fur head to toe, straight up furry, like she took

874
00:55:35,160 --> 00:55:39,000
Speaker 1: that sofa idea. I think she misunderstood what he meant

875
00:55:39,600 --> 00:55:42,000
Speaker 1: is like, I guess it's I guess he wants it

876
00:55:42,040 --> 00:55:44,480
Speaker 1: to be furry like a couch. I mean, you know

877
00:55:44,560 --> 00:55:47,400
Speaker 1: he did say inside, I mean read the whole letter,

878
00:55:48,440 --> 00:55:53,520
Speaker 1: that's what he's saying. I mean the shape is womanly

879
00:55:54,520 --> 00:55:57,719
Speaker 1: right like it is a mannequin esque I mean if

880
00:55:57,760 --> 00:56:00,839
Speaker 1: you if you had really bad vision and you were

881
00:56:00,840 --> 00:56:04,399
Speaker 1: standing very far away and someone came to you and said, hey,

882
00:56:04,440 --> 00:56:06,960
Speaker 1: there's there's a human woman lying naked on that couch,

883
00:56:07,440 --> 00:56:11,359
Speaker 1: you know you would probably say, really, what's wrong with her?

884
00:56:13,280 --> 00:56:15,719
Speaker 1: Like you wouldn't quite it would take that, and then

885
00:56:15,800 --> 00:56:19,400
Speaker 1: even still you wouldn't quite buy it, like what disease

886
00:56:19,480 --> 00:56:23,360
Speaker 1: does she have? I mean poor her, mean did what

887
00:56:23,440 --> 00:56:27,680
Speaker 1: she could um. But Oscar unfortunately was not enough out

888
00:56:27,680 --> 00:56:31,600
Speaker 1: of his mind to accept this as as a real person.

889
00:56:32,200 --> 00:56:38,920
Speaker 1: He wrote back to her without holding back, quote, Fraulen Moose,

890
00:56:39,880 --> 00:56:44,800
Speaker 1: I am honestly shocked. The outer shell is a polar

891
00:56:44,840 --> 00:56:49,200
Speaker 1: bear pelt suitable for shaggy imitation rug rather than the

892
00:56:49,239 --> 00:56:52,520
Speaker 1: soft and supple skin of a woman. The result is

893
00:56:52,560 --> 00:56:55,080
Speaker 1: that I cannot even dress the doll, which you knew

894
00:56:55,400 --> 00:56:59,160
Speaker 1: was my intention, let alone array her in delicate and

895
00:56:59,239 --> 00:57:03,960
Speaker 1: precious robe. Even attempting to pull on one stocking would

896
00:57:03,960 --> 00:57:07,840
Speaker 1: be like asking a French dancing master to waltz with

897
00:57:07,920 --> 00:57:13,440
Speaker 1: a polar bear. Ermie was like, I so wanted to

898
00:57:13,480 --> 00:57:16,160
Speaker 1: send you back a letter that said I am honestly

899
00:57:16,400 --> 00:57:23,520
Speaker 1: shocked by this commission, sir. But hey, Oscar had to

900
00:57:23,520 --> 00:57:28,240
Speaker 1: work with what he had. Okay, it's like she's already

901
00:57:28,240 --> 00:57:30,240
Speaker 1: torn apart the so far, what am I going to do?

902
00:57:30,280 --> 00:57:35,280
Speaker 1: Wait another year? So he draped his furry horror show

903
00:57:36,000 --> 00:57:40,840
Speaker 1: in silk and lace and you know, speculation station. He

904
00:57:41,200 --> 00:57:45,000
Speaker 1: definitely fucked that doll. He found somewhere to put his

905
00:57:45,000 --> 00:57:47,040
Speaker 1: penis in it. I don't know if it was where

906
00:57:47,040 --> 00:57:50,280
Speaker 1: I supposed to go, but he said any port in

907
00:57:50,360 --> 00:57:55,800
Speaker 1: a storm. He did more than eighty paintings of the

908
00:57:55,840 --> 00:57:58,960
Speaker 1: doll in various poses, and it took a series of

909
00:57:59,000 --> 00:58:02,120
Speaker 1: photographs with it. You know, he fully used it in

910
00:58:02,160 --> 00:58:05,840
Speaker 1: his art as his muse, I guess, and you know,

911
00:58:05,880 --> 00:58:08,640
Speaker 1: I guess it worked for him in a way. Later

912
00:58:08,720 --> 00:58:12,240
Speaker 1: he wrote quote, Finally, after I had drawn it and

913
00:58:12,320 --> 00:58:15,760
Speaker 1: painted it over and over again, I decided to do

914
00:58:15,840 --> 00:58:19,360
Speaker 1: away with it. It had managed to cure me completely

915
00:58:19,440 --> 00:58:26,160
Speaker 1: of my passion. Okay, somehow, when I associated this doll

916
00:58:26,320 --> 00:58:30,560
Speaker 1: with Alma, after a year of sucking it, I decided

917
00:58:30,680 --> 00:58:33,080
Speaker 1: I was done with her. He was like, in my mind,

918
00:58:33,240 --> 00:58:36,680
Speaker 1: Almah was a beautiful woman who leaned in closely to conversation,

919
00:58:36,840 --> 00:58:38,919
Speaker 1: and then over a year she turned into a really

920
00:58:39,040 --> 00:58:42,240
Speaker 1: lumpy furry, weird thing, and I was like, you know,

921
00:58:42,320 --> 00:58:47,080
Speaker 1: for some reason, not attracted to her anymore. You have

922
00:58:47,200 --> 00:58:50,760
Speaker 1: to wonder if you, like, did her voice to Oscar

923
00:58:51,160 --> 00:58:54,600
Speaker 1: you should go and join the war? You cowered? Is

924
00:58:54,920 --> 00:59:00,240
Speaker 1: that's my girl? So anyway, it was finally I'm to

925
00:59:00,280 --> 00:59:02,440
Speaker 1: get rid of this piece of ship. And because Oscar

926
00:59:02,560 --> 00:59:06,720
Speaker 1: can only go big, he decided to throw a huge

927
00:59:06,760 --> 00:59:11,080
Speaker 1: party with music and dancing, during which he had his

928
00:59:11,200 --> 00:59:14,800
Speaker 1: maid dressed the doll in beautiful clothes to be displayed

929
00:59:14,840 --> 00:59:19,080
Speaker 1: one last time, And as dawn broke and everyone was drunk,

930
00:59:19,480 --> 00:59:22,760
Speaker 1: he took the doll outside to the garden, smashed a

931
00:59:22,760 --> 00:59:29,440
Speaker 1: bottle of red wine over its head, and decapitated. What

932
00:59:29,560 --> 00:59:35,040
Speaker 1: a farewell he's he's really going for the breakup situation.

933
00:59:35,080 --> 00:59:36,520
Speaker 1: I mean, he should have just done that a year

934
00:59:36,520 --> 00:59:40,080
Speaker 1: ago and burned all almost stuff. But in steady, I

935
00:59:40,080 --> 00:59:43,240
Speaker 1: had to do this real long thing, almost like a

936
00:59:43,280 --> 00:59:46,360
Speaker 1: piece of performance art. If he had done it in public,

937
00:59:46,520 --> 00:59:50,920
Speaker 1: it would be such a cool party. It was practically public.

938
00:59:51,880 --> 00:59:55,600
Speaker 1: I met the year before, But I wonder if he

939
00:59:55,640 --> 00:59:58,479
Speaker 1: invited her mean to the party. She's like, I would

940
00:59:58,520 --> 01:00:01,680
Speaker 1: love to see that ship burned. Let do it like that?

941
01:00:01,840 --> 01:00:04,600
Speaker 1: Haunts my dreams every time I see it. So far

942
01:00:04,720 --> 01:00:13,680
Speaker 1: I have to scream, oh, Oscar, um. You know? After this,

943
01:00:13,760 --> 01:00:16,800
Speaker 1: Oscar actually settled down in Prague with a younger woman

944
01:00:16,880 --> 01:00:21,600
Speaker 1: named Olda Palkowska. Uh. They had to flee to England

945
01:00:21,680 --> 01:00:26,240
Speaker 1: in night because he was considered a degenerate artist. And

946
01:00:26,280 --> 01:00:29,000
Speaker 1: of course, like we said, he said nothing kind about

947
01:00:29,000 --> 01:00:33,440
Speaker 1: the Nazis, and uh, Eastern Europe, Prague, Aastria, Germany, We're

948
01:00:33,440 --> 01:00:36,640
Speaker 1: starting to get pretty bad for well a lot of people.

949
01:00:37,280 --> 01:00:39,800
Speaker 1: So they went to England. They were married in an

950
01:00:39,800 --> 01:00:43,040
Speaker 1: air raid shelter in nineteen forty one, and then they

951
01:00:43,080 --> 01:00:46,880
Speaker 1: became British citizens. After the war, they helped raise money

952
01:00:46,920 --> 01:00:50,520
Speaker 1: for children's charities, and eventually they moved to Switzerland, where

953
01:00:50,520 --> 01:00:52,400
Speaker 1: they spent the rest of their days, which had long

954
01:00:52,440 --> 01:00:56,479
Speaker 1: been Oscar's dream sort of retired to Switzerland mine too,

955
01:00:59,520 --> 01:01:01,240
Speaker 1: And I don't I don't want to have to decapitate

956
01:01:01,240 --> 01:01:03,800
Speaker 1: a sex doll to get there. Thank you? Also, can

957
01:01:03,880 --> 01:01:08,640
Speaker 1: you can you just cast your mind? Too old? And Oscars,

958
01:01:09,240 --> 01:01:12,120
Speaker 1: you know, I don't know. Maybe they're engagement, they've been

959
01:01:12,160 --> 01:01:14,760
Speaker 1: dating for a while. She's like, Oscar, tell me something

960
01:01:15,040 --> 01:01:20,680
Speaker 1: about yourself. I don't know yet. He's like, well you

961
01:01:20,680 --> 01:01:23,280
Speaker 1: already know about me getting shot through the heads. Oh,

962
01:01:23,360 --> 01:01:26,959
Speaker 1: I've got one. Listen what I did. Don't ever break

963
01:01:27,040 --> 01:01:29,479
Speaker 1: up with me. You know that old sofa out back

964
01:01:31,080 --> 01:01:33,760
Speaker 1: had one just like it once put my dick in it.

965
01:01:34,400 --> 01:01:40,760
Speaker 1: Oh well. After Oscar's death in nine, Alda took all

966
01:01:40,800 --> 01:01:43,240
Speaker 1: of his diaries and letters and she gave them to

967
01:01:43,320 --> 01:01:46,840
Speaker 1: the Zurich Central Library. Very different than what Almah did

968
01:01:46,920 --> 01:01:49,520
Speaker 1: with his letters. Okay, yeah, she's let me save these

969
01:01:49,560 --> 01:01:53,680
Speaker 1: for posterior. And then Olda spent her remaining years devoted

970
01:01:53,760 --> 01:01:56,680
Speaker 1: to finding and collecting any of his works, and she

971
01:01:56,720 --> 01:01:59,680
Speaker 1: would purchase them, acquire them however she could, and donate

972
01:01:59,680 --> 01:02:03,360
Speaker 1: those library as well, and eventually she started the Oscar

973
01:02:03,400 --> 01:02:09,360
Speaker 1: Kokoshka Foundation. Meanwhile, in Alma Maler's biography, she said that

974
01:02:09,440 --> 01:02:15,520
Speaker 1: Oscar hadn't ever painted anything worthwhile ever since she dumped him. Wow,

975
01:02:15,680 --> 01:02:21,120
Speaker 1: a contrast between his two loves. There the ego at

976
01:02:22,040 --> 01:02:25,840
Speaker 1: Almah's crazy I can't wait to do because she sounds

977
01:02:25,880 --> 01:02:31,120
Speaker 1: like a m an intriguing monster. Indeed, yeah, definitely, definitely

978
01:02:31,160 --> 01:02:36,160
Speaker 1: what a couple of very um colorful people, Oscar and

979
01:02:36,280 --> 01:02:41,960
Speaker 1: Alma Alma did a number on him. She really did

980
01:02:42,280 --> 01:02:44,880
Speaker 1: she she she did a number on a lot of people.

981
01:02:45,160 --> 01:02:48,480
Speaker 1: It's kind of her. Alma and the war combined did

982
01:02:48,480 --> 01:02:50,680
Speaker 1: a number on him, Yes, which the war also did

983
01:02:50,680 --> 01:02:52,360
Speaker 1: a number on a lot of people, probably not as

984
01:02:52,400 --> 01:02:58,040
Speaker 1: many as Alma, but how many men were brought down

985
01:02:58,080 --> 01:03:02,160
Speaker 1: by the Great War versus am right? I mean, they

986
01:03:02,160 --> 01:03:04,400
Speaker 1: didn't even want to do a sequel with Alma's right,

987
01:03:04,480 --> 01:03:06,560
Speaker 1: you know, they were like, we could do a second

988
01:03:06,600 --> 01:03:08,840
Speaker 1: World War, but we can't do a second Alma. I

989
01:03:08,880 --> 01:03:13,480
Speaker 1: can't do this Alma. This was one of those stories

990
01:03:13,480 --> 01:03:15,840
Speaker 1: that I was like, Oh Wow, what a weirdo this poem,

991
01:03:15,840 --> 01:03:18,560
Speaker 1: Oh my god, this play, Oh my god, this doll

992
01:03:19,000 --> 01:03:23,680
Speaker 1: just keeps really climbing every time. It really does. We've

993
01:03:23,760 --> 01:03:25,640
Speaker 1: we've we've talked about a lot of people fallen in

994
01:03:25,680 --> 01:03:28,480
Speaker 1: love with their sex dolls on this show, or holograms

995
01:03:28,600 --> 01:03:32,680
Speaker 1: or chat bots or whatever. Remember Carl Tonsler making his

996
01:03:34,680 --> 01:03:38,040
Speaker 1: EFFI things dance with for seven years? Yeah, one of

997
01:03:38,080 --> 01:03:40,560
Speaker 1: our Halloween episodes. If you hadn't heard of Carl Tonsler,

998
01:03:40,600 --> 01:03:44,840
Speaker 1: who mummafied a young girl who was who he was

999
01:03:44,880 --> 01:03:47,680
Speaker 1: in love with, who she was gone in love with him,

1000
01:03:47,760 --> 01:03:50,440
Speaker 1: but he monimified her body and kept it with him.

1001
01:03:51,040 --> 01:03:53,280
Speaker 1: Oscar very different. He was not in love with this doll.

1002
01:03:53,320 --> 01:03:56,120
Speaker 1: In fact, he resented it. Yeah, um, but just the

1003
01:03:56,200 --> 01:03:58,160
Speaker 1: idea that he had in his head that he could

1004
01:03:58,200 --> 01:04:01,040
Speaker 1: put it together. And like we said in recent episode two,

1005
01:04:01,600 --> 01:04:06,760
Speaker 1: actual like manufactured sex dolls, we're not really popularized or

1006
01:04:06,880 --> 01:04:12,120
Speaker 1: or or brought into popular culture until well, yeah, it

1007
01:04:12,240 --> 01:04:17,440
Speaker 1: was in our brief history of sex toys with ridiculous history. Um,

1008
01:04:17,520 --> 01:04:19,760
Speaker 1: we found out that World War Two they were making

1009
01:04:19,800 --> 01:04:21,640
Speaker 1: it for soldiers on the front line. They would like,

1010
01:04:21,680 --> 01:04:24,280
Speaker 1: find me something they can fuck because I'm tired of

1011
01:04:24,320 --> 01:04:27,080
Speaker 1: them going to these prostitutes and getting diseases and dying

1012
01:04:27,160 --> 01:04:29,680
Speaker 1: from the diseases. I need them to die from gunfire

1013
01:04:29,800 --> 01:04:34,680
Speaker 1: or nothing. And it was a straight up Gebel's project,

1014
01:04:34,760 --> 01:04:37,080
Speaker 1: right yeah, I think so, And it, like the design

1015
01:04:37,160 --> 01:04:40,120
Speaker 1: for it, ended up being the design the inspiration for

1016
01:04:40,160 --> 01:04:44,720
Speaker 1: the design of Barbie dolls. Also weird legacy for a

1017
01:04:44,840 --> 01:04:47,680
Speaker 1: child's toy. But I guess ermine's out here. Like you know, listen,

1018
01:04:47,680 --> 01:04:49,520
Speaker 1: you get into child's toys, you don't know what's going

1019
01:04:49,600 --> 01:04:53,360
Speaker 1: to happen to you. Okay, it's a weird world. Oscar

1020
01:04:53,400 --> 01:04:55,160
Speaker 1: tried to make a children's book. What did he make?

1021
01:04:55,720 --> 01:04:59,200
Speaker 1: Razy stream of Consciousness? The age Contacts of children's Toymaker?

1022
01:04:59,280 --> 01:05:02,800
Speaker 1: What did they make? An insane nightmare? Absolutely? But you

1023
01:05:02,840 --> 01:05:08,400
Speaker 1: wonder if girls, you wonder if Gebbels didn't hear about

1024
01:05:08,440 --> 01:05:10,600
Speaker 1: Oscar and go, oh, is this is a good idea?

1025
01:05:10,920 --> 01:05:14,560
Speaker 1: Maybe this is my solution here, because the Nazis did

1026
01:05:14,640 --> 01:05:16,840
Speaker 1: know about Oscar and they didn't They didn't take too

1027
01:05:16,880 --> 01:05:19,680
Speaker 1: kindly to his work. Again, he was not he was

1028
01:05:19,760 --> 01:05:24,000
Speaker 1: vocal about how much they sucked. He's someone who I'd

1029
01:05:24,000 --> 01:05:28,320
Speaker 1: go back in time probably stab a few times. You

1030
01:05:28,440 --> 01:05:32,680
Speaker 1: heard it here first, folks sucks. I hope this is

1031
01:05:32,720 --> 01:05:36,680
Speaker 1: not the first time. Yeah, if it is, maybe change

1032
01:05:36,680 --> 01:05:40,600
Speaker 1: your media's you consume. Um. I really go check out

1033
01:05:40,640 --> 01:05:45,640
Speaker 1: some of Oscar's work because it's different, certainly different. It's

1034
01:05:45,680 --> 01:05:49,520
Speaker 1: definitely abstract, um, but it's there's a real beauty to it,

1035
01:05:49,560 --> 01:05:52,000
Speaker 1: there's a real um. He's he's got away with motion

1036
01:05:52,520 --> 01:05:55,960
Speaker 1: and with color that's really impressive. And you can kind

1037
01:05:56,000 --> 01:05:58,920
Speaker 1: of see these secessionists in Vienna being like, I'm not

1038
01:05:58,960 --> 01:06:01,560
Speaker 1: gonna I'm not just gonna make what you think I'm

1039
01:06:01,600 --> 01:06:03,439
Speaker 1: gonna make. I want to make what's in my head.

1040
01:06:03,560 --> 01:06:06,000
Speaker 1: I'm going to make something different and wild and crazy,

1041
01:06:06,080 --> 01:06:09,880
Speaker 1: and uh, this whole group of artists was really pushing

1042
01:06:09,920 --> 01:06:13,520
Speaker 1: something new. I do like expressionism for that reason. I mean,

1043
01:06:13,560 --> 01:06:16,200
Speaker 1: it's easy to dismiss it and be like, oh, look

1044
01:06:16,200 --> 01:06:19,560
Speaker 1: a square or whatever. We talked about fractals before decks

1045
01:06:19,560 --> 01:06:21,480
Speaker 1: and pollock and stuff like that, and it just seems

1046
01:06:21,520 --> 01:06:23,960
Speaker 1: like so easy. My kindergartener could do it or something.

1047
01:06:24,640 --> 01:06:28,360
Speaker 1: But there's something to be said about like growing up

1048
01:06:28,360 --> 01:06:30,880
Speaker 1: in a world where art is one thing and saying,

1049
01:06:31,080 --> 01:06:34,880
Speaker 1: you know, this is not really encompassing the mood that

1050
01:06:34,960 --> 01:06:38,280
Speaker 1: I feel, the you know, my internal life is not

1051
01:06:38,360 --> 01:06:43,200
Speaker 1: being reflected in this lovely Vermeer painting or whatever. Um.

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Speaker 1: Things are chaos. Life is chaos, emotions are chaos. I'm

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Speaker 1: growing and changing. I don't understand the world around me.

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Speaker 1: How else do you express that besides a bit of

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Speaker 1: chaos and on the canvas or a desperation for control

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Speaker 1: of like here's a square. It's just one square, damn time.

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Speaker 1: I mean, if you see that square and you're like,

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Speaker 1: my kindergartener could draw that, maybe stop shipping on your kindergartener.

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Speaker 1: Maybe your kindergartener is a great artist exactly. Consider that.

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Speaker 1: Imagine Mozart at five and people go on, whatever, my

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Speaker 1: five year old can do that. But I mean, you know,

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Speaker 1: your your kindergartener had an image in his mind and

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Speaker 1: it went down through his hand and it became that

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Speaker 1: in the real world on paper. That's tough. Yeah, I

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Speaker 1: can't do that. I can't draw square. I think you

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Speaker 1: can draw square. I've tried the circles that get you, well,

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Speaker 1: diamonds just a rotated square. But it's tough anyway. I

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Speaker 1: can't draw star without doing actually you know what I mean,

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Speaker 1: without lifting. Yeah, I know some people can do it

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Speaker 1: without all that, but I can. Some people can do

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Speaker 1: incredible things, and I don't understand it. Um, I don't

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Speaker 1: know how you do it because it's just time and

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Speaker 1: practice and energy. And that's okay, I get it. I'm

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Speaker 1: just not gonna do it exercise and diet, Jake, it's

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Speaker 1: not that hard. It sounds hard. Sounds hard. Well, I

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Speaker 1: hope you'll enjoyed this wacky, wacky story. Oscar is White

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Speaker 1: a person yeah, was crazier maybe yeah? Maybe. Actually, I

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Speaker 1: don't know complicated people anyway. Um, with an array of

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Speaker 1: choices they made Hey, we're happy they did because we

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Speaker 1: get to talk about it here on this show and

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Speaker 1: laugh about it. I hope you all laugh to let

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Speaker 1: us know. Of course, we'd love to hear your thoughts,

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Speaker 1: we'd love to hear your suggestions, and we'd love to

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Speaker 1: just hear anything you've got to say. Just stream of

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Speaker 1: conscious poem about your about your sexual coming of age.

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Speaker 1: Go ahead and send it to us. I don't know,

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Speaker 1: maybe we'll read it. Maybe your version of murder the

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Speaker 1: hope of women? Oh yeah, out, what's your hope of women?

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Speaker 1: I've got some hopes for women right now, but oh

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