1 00:00:04,559 --> 00:00:07,520 Speaker 1: Hey, this is Annie. Hey, hey Samantha, and welcome to stuff. 2 00:00:07,520 --> 00:00:09,360 Speaker 1: I never told your protection of I hear India's has 3 00:00:09,440 --> 00:00:20,480 Speaker 1: to work. I don't have to switch it up. I 4 00:00:20,960 --> 00:00:24,280 Speaker 1: do too. I sometimes I feel like I'm the robotic 5 00:00:24,480 --> 00:00:27,600 Speaker 1: voice when you call and trying. You're just trying to 6 00:00:27,600 --> 00:00:29,639 Speaker 1: speak to a real person. I am a real person. 7 00:00:29,640 --> 00:00:31,720 Speaker 1: You are a real person. Um. I have those moments 8 00:00:31,760 --> 00:00:34,520 Speaker 1: I'm like, oh, people, canna forget that I'm actually here 9 00:00:34,560 --> 00:00:37,559 Speaker 1: with Annie. So I'm gonna do a big introduction. You 10 00:00:37,600 --> 00:00:42,560 Speaker 1: should get bigger and bigger. Eventually it'll be a whole performance, 11 00:00:44,240 --> 00:00:51,479 Speaker 1: a whole stick. Today we are talking about fear. Yes, 12 00:00:51,560 --> 00:00:55,040 Speaker 1: because it is. I probably don't have to say. It's 13 00:00:55,080 --> 00:00:58,920 Speaker 1: one of my favorite times of year, fall and specifically Halloween, 14 00:00:59,080 --> 00:01:02,840 Speaker 1: and today is that beautiful fall day. I realized I 15 00:01:02,840 --> 00:01:06,120 Speaker 1: needed a sweater, and at the one time it's finally happening, 16 00:01:06,160 --> 00:01:09,120 Speaker 1: I don't have a sweater. Oh no, I know. I 17 00:01:09,200 --> 00:01:11,000 Speaker 1: debated it for a long time, but I walked to 18 00:01:11,000 --> 00:01:13,039 Speaker 1: work and I was like, you're okay, you'll warm up. 19 00:01:13,080 --> 00:01:15,600 Speaker 1: It's not that cool yet, but it's getting there, which 20 00:01:15,640 --> 00:01:17,520 Speaker 1: is good. Because I have all my haunted houses, I 21 00:01:17,520 --> 00:01:18,800 Speaker 1: have to do, and I don't like doing them when 22 00:01:18,800 --> 00:01:22,279 Speaker 1: it's hot outside. This is a very specific personal problem 23 00:01:22,319 --> 00:01:25,880 Speaker 1: for me, um, and I am trying to keep this 24 00:01:26,000 --> 00:01:29,280 Speaker 1: relegated to a month ish all of these episodes around 25 00:01:29,440 --> 00:01:33,600 Speaker 1: fear and horror movies and stuff, but difficult anyway, trigger 26 00:01:33,640 --> 00:01:36,279 Speaker 1: warning before we get into it, brief mentions of rape 27 00:01:36,400 --> 00:01:41,240 Speaker 1: and sexual assault. And I did want to start by saying, um, 28 00:01:41,840 --> 00:01:44,319 Speaker 1: because we're talking about gender differences in fear and how 29 00:01:44,319 --> 00:01:46,440 Speaker 1: expressive it, what scares us, how we feel it, and 30 00:01:46,480 --> 00:01:49,520 Speaker 1: how it can be weaponized. Um. When you get the 31 00:01:49,640 --> 00:01:54,480 Speaker 1: question like, do you have any quote silly fears, Samantha, Um, 32 00:01:54,680 --> 00:01:56,800 Speaker 1: Oh yeah, I do have silly fears. You already know 33 00:01:57,040 --> 00:01:59,680 Speaker 1: a few of them, um, which include I have a 34 00:01:59,680 --> 00:02:03,960 Speaker 1: weird thing about polka dots. I can't stand them, irregular 35 00:02:04,040 --> 00:02:06,360 Speaker 1: shapes with dots and such. I don't know, like it 36 00:02:06,400 --> 00:02:09,640 Speaker 1: makes my skin crawl when I look at it. It's 37 00:02:09,680 --> 00:02:11,240 Speaker 1: a thing. I know someone else who has that. I 38 00:02:11,280 --> 00:02:13,640 Speaker 1: felt validated and I forgot what it's called, and I 39 00:02:13,639 --> 00:02:16,399 Speaker 1: know a listeners want let me know what it is, um, 40 00:02:16,480 --> 00:02:19,280 Speaker 1: because I was so validated that I told my mother 41 00:02:19,320 --> 00:02:22,880 Speaker 1: about it, because when I was in like fifth sixth grade. Um, 42 00:02:22,960 --> 00:02:25,280 Speaker 1: my grandmother had bought me this really cute outfit, but 43 00:02:25,320 --> 00:02:27,240 Speaker 1: I had dots all over that and I would refuse 44 00:02:27,320 --> 00:02:29,080 Speaker 1: to wear it. I kept telling my mom about how 45 00:02:29,120 --> 00:02:30,800 Speaker 1: much I hated it. Of course I was made to 46 00:02:30,800 --> 00:02:33,240 Speaker 1: wear it because my grandmother bought it for me. I 47 00:02:33,280 --> 00:02:36,080 Speaker 1: have to make everybody happy. And in my little scrap book, 48 00:02:36,160 --> 00:02:38,760 Speaker 1: she remembered that little quote about the clothing I wore 49 00:02:39,080 --> 00:02:41,239 Speaker 1: and put it above her, above me in these a 50 00:02:41,280 --> 00:02:43,160 Speaker 1: little If you look at scrap books, you know all 51 00:02:43,200 --> 00:02:46,560 Speaker 1: the things like that as a quote. And after I 52 00:02:46,600 --> 00:02:50,480 Speaker 1: told my mom it's a real thing, I felt really validated. 53 00:02:50,720 --> 00:02:52,040 Speaker 1: I just want to say that. And then, of course 54 00:02:52,520 --> 00:02:55,360 Speaker 1: you know about the little statues or like wax figures 55 00:02:55,400 --> 00:02:58,080 Speaker 1: type of thing, and it can be anything. If it's large. 56 00:02:58,560 --> 00:03:00,680 Speaker 1: It scares the hell out of me because I'm should 57 00:03:00,680 --> 00:03:02,520 Speaker 1: at any moment they're gonna come to life and get me. 58 00:03:02,960 --> 00:03:04,680 Speaker 1: And I don't know, maybe because I watched like The 59 00:03:04,720 --> 00:03:07,040 Speaker 1: House of Wax in which they come to life and 60 00:03:07,080 --> 00:03:13,280 Speaker 1: get them. Just a reminder like stuff like that. Nope, Nope, nope, nope, 61 00:03:13,400 --> 00:03:14,919 Speaker 1: which I told you. You You told me that here and 62 00:03:14,960 --> 00:03:17,760 Speaker 1: then I immediately forgotten. Had you write a hatted mansion 63 00:03:19,200 --> 00:03:21,720 Speaker 1: and then the Harry Potter r Have Forbidden Journey. You 64 00:03:21,880 --> 00:03:25,239 Speaker 1: laughed for so hard, so long. Even a month after 65 00:03:25,280 --> 00:03:27,280 Speaker 1: the fact, I think you were still you were still laughing. 66 00:03:28,000 --> 00:03:30,720 Speaker 1: I feel bad, but it was so funny. You were 67 00:03:30,880 --> 00:03:35,200 Speaker 1: shouting and everyone look. I get into the fight or flight, 68 00:03:35,360 --> 00:03:37,120 Speaker 1: and I know I'm not fast enough, so I'm ready 69 00:03:37,160 --> 00:03:40,520 Speaker 1: to fight. Just oh, I don't know. I don't know. 70 00:03:41,040 --> 00:03:43,440 Speaker 1: That was a lot of that. It was funny. I 71 00:03:43,440 --> 00:03:45,280 Speaker 1: feel like you have to have. The reason I asked 72 00:03:45,280 --> 00:03:47,600 Speaker 1: this is because I feel like when someone asked you 73 00:03:47,920 --> 00:03:50,280 Speaker 1: what are you afraid of, most of the time they're 74 00:03:50,320 --> 00:03:54,760 Speaker 1: really asking is what is your fun and and socially 75 00:03:54,800 --> 00:03:57,480 Speaker 1: acceptable answer that we can kind of laugh at or 76 00:03:57,560 --> 00:04:01,200 Speaker 1: joke about, because if you think about it, um, if 77 00:04:01,240 --> 00:04:03,440 Speaker 1: you think about the real fears that probably a lot 78 00:04:03,480 --> 00:04:07,560 Speaker 1: of us have, um, you don't necessarily want to share 79 00:04:07,600 --> 00:04:10,400 Speaker 1: those or voice host in your everyday conversation. So I 80 00:04:10,400 --> 00:04:12,840 Speaker 1: feel like there's the two levels. There's the ones that 81 00:04:12,880 --> 00:04:15,360 Speaker 1: are kind of funny, even if they're not funny to you. 82 00:04:16,800 --> 00:04:18,760 Speaker 1: But as long as it's not like level of phobia, 83 00:04:18,839 --> 00:04:21,160 Speaker 1: that's just this thing I have that isn't quite what 84 00:04:21,160 --> 00:04:23,960 Speaker 1: we would say normal fear, and then you have like 85 00:04:24,000 --> 00:04:26,120 Speaker 1: your your real ones, the ones that keep you up 86 00:04:26,160 --> 00:04:28,160 Speaker 1: at night, that are dark and you don't want to 87 00:04:28,160 --> 00:04:30,120 Speaker 1: talk about, which is how a lot of horms have. 88 00:04:30,240 --> 00:04:32,320 Speaker 1: We start as they talk about a fear, or something 89 00:04:32,360 --> 00:04:34,880 Speaker 1: happens where that fear is revealed, and that's usually how 90 00:04:34,880 --> 00:04:39,520 Speaker 1: they die. Look on her face is quite pained. I 91 00:04:39,600 --> 00:04:42,839 Speaker 1: just want to say, why, why do we do this 92 00:04:42,839 --> 00:04:46,720 Speaker 1: for ourselves? We're actually gonna be talking about that, um, 93 00:04:46,800 --> 00:04:48,359 Speaker 1: and before we go into this, I didn't want to 94 00:04:48,360 --> 00:04:53,520 Speaker 1: say it's always worth remembering equality and not being the same, 95 00:04:53,520 --> 00:04:55,200 Speaker 1: because they feel like a lot of UM. A lot 96 00:04:55,200 --> 00:04:58,200 Speaker 1: of times when we talk about biological differences or sex differences, 97 00:04:58,279 --> 00:05:03,080 Speaker 1: people sometimes use that to reinforce stereotypes have been long 98 00:05:03,279 --> 00:05:08,320 Speaker 1: used to keep a particular group down. So I that's 99 00:05:08,360 --> 00:05:12,240 Speaker 1: something I have a real tension about, but set that 100 00:05:12,320 --> 00:05:17,279 Speaker 1: at the top. Okay, definition time. According to Miriam Webster's Dictionary, 101 00:05:17,520 --> 00:05:20,920 Speaker 1: fear is quote an unpleasant, often strong emotion caused by 102 00:05:20,920 --> 00:05:25,679 Speaker 1: anticipation or awareness of danger. It is an evolutionary response 103 00:05:25,720 --> 00:05:29,000 Speaker 1: to stress in order to protect ourselves from danger, to 104 00:05:29,120 --> 00:05:33,560 Speaker 1: keep us alive basically, which is great sea lion or 105 00:05:34,480 --> 00:05:38,159 Speaker 1: whatever it is, I'm gonna play dead. I don't know 106 00:05:38,200 --> 00:05:40,640 Speaker 1: why I've given so much thought about what I'm gonna 107 00:05:40,640 --> 00:05:43,680 Speaker 1: do if I ever encounter a lion, but I have. 108 00:05:44,400 --> 00:05:47,440 Speaker 1: I think about that with like bears. Well that was 109 00:05:47,480 --> 00:05:50,200 Speaker 1: that too, so I mean it's not uncommon, so I 110 00:05:50,200 --> 00:05:52,800 Speaker 1: would would just apply that to all the things, all 111 00:05:52,839 --> 00:05:55,520 Speaker 1: the giant animals trying to get me. I have encountered 112 00:05:55,520 --> 00:05:57,840 Speaker 1: a bear in the wild and I just kind of 113 00:05:58,880 --> 00:06:02,440 Speaker 1: kept running and it was okay, right. Um. I think 114 00:06:02,480 --> 00:06:05,760 Speaker 1: I told about the bore of the wild hog that 115 00:06:05,800 --> 00:06:09,000 Speaker 1: we hard in the woods and we were like run. Yeah, 116 00:06:09,240 --> 00:06:12,160 Speaker 1: Oh my gosh, Well now you know how you'll react. 117 00:06:12,920 --> 00:06:16,279 Speaker 1: Um again, I think we've we've definitely brought this up 118 00:06:16,320 --> 00:06:18,960 Speaker 1: before now that we don't necessarily have to fear being 119 00:06:19,040 --> 00:06:22,280 Speaker 1: eaten by tigers on a regular basis in the wild anymore. Um. 120 00:06:22,360 --> 00:06:24,559 Speaker 1: Fear can be triggered in our modern lives by things 121 00:06:24,600 --> 00:06:28,520 Speaker 1: called paper tigers. And this can be you know, answering 122 00:06:28,560 --> 00:06:31,800 Speaker 1: emails or meetings or things that you fear that really 123 00:06:31,839 --> 00:06:35,520 Speaker 1: don't pose a danger like a life or death situation. 124 00:06:36,920 --> 00:06:40,840 Speaker 1: Phobias take the fear response, magnify it, and pointed at 125 00:06:40,880 --> 00:06:46,400 Speaker 1: something that generally presents no real danger. Over time, people 126 00:06:46,400 --> 00:06:50,240 Speaker 1: with phobias began to fear the fear associated with that phobia, 127 00:06:50,279 --> 00:06:53,640 Speaker 1: and it exacerbates the whole situation gets worse and worse. Yeah, 128 00:06:53,680 --> 00:06:55,240 Speaker 1: I guess my poka dot thing would be more of 129 00:06:55,240 --> 00:06:58,360 Speaker 1: a phobia. Should I not wear polka dots when I'm 130 00:06:58,400 --> 00:07:00,640 Speaker 1: around you? You're okay, I've gotten my self better that 131 00:07:00,680 --> 00:07:03,320 Speaker 1: I don't focus on it, but like sometimes when I'm 132 00:07:03,360 --> 00:07:07,400 Speaker 1: surprised by it and just the look, yeah, surprise bokes surprise. 133 00:07:08,080 --> 00:07:10,440 Speaker 1: Or there's that weird drink that has like c s 134 00:07:10,440 --> 00:07:13,480 Speaker 1: and such and so you see like like like that, 135 00:07:14,200 --> 00:07:16,440 Speaker 1: oh no, like this thing about it makes me kind 136 00:07:16,440 --> 00:07:20,320 Speaker 1: of nuxious. That's it. But people with anxiety disorders can 137 00:07:20,320 --> 00:07:23,680 Speaker 1: experience something similar but less extreme, becoming afraid of the 138 00:07:23,720 --> 00:07:27,120 Speaker 1: feary action that they may experience that social interactions and 139 00:07:27,200 --> 00:07:30,880 Speaker 1: thus avoiding the social interaction altogether. And that's definitely something 140 00:07:31,000 --> 00:07:32,920 Speaker 1: I deal with. I will avoid a situation if I 141 00:07:32,920 --> 00:07:36,680 Speaker 1: think it'll be uncomfortable or really anxious. And so if 142 00:07:36,720 --> 00:07:39,320 Speaker 1: I don't have a way to plan, like to know 143 00:07:39,320 --> 00:07:42,440 Speaker 1: where I'm supposed to park, nowhere to come in no, 144 00:07:42,560 --> 00:07:44,920 Speaker 1: what is expected of me, I'm probably gonna say no. 145 00:07:45,720 --> 00:07:49,240 Speaker 1: And I know you, I've asked you many times. So 146 00:07:49,320 --> 00:07:50,880 Speaker 1: when you go to this, do you do this, this 147 00:07:51,000 --> 00:07:53,440 Speaker 1: and this? And that is part of my preparation because 148 00:07:53,440 --> 00:07:56,000 Speaker 1: if I don't know, and I've gotten much better about it, 149 00:07:56,040 --> 00:07:58,320 Speaker 1: but when I was younger, I'll be like, no, I'm good. 150 00:07:58,360 --> 00:08:00,760 Speaker 1: I'll just stay at home because I would have a 151 00:08:00,800 --> 00:08:03,920 Speaker 1: handic attack almost right before that situation, so to avoid 152 00:08:03,920 --> 00:08:07,040 Speaker 1: it altogether, Like, hell, no, I'm good, I'm good. I 153 00:08:07,080 --> 00:08:09,040 Speaker 1: have a lot of friends who are like that and 154 00:08:09,160 --> 00:08:15,840 Speaker 1: I feel similar ways. But I'm also extremely um competitive 155 00:08:16,000 --> 00:08:20,680 Speaker 1: with myself, and so I'll be like, you're going other 156 00:08:20,760 --> 00:08:26,080 Speaker 1: and he's like, I am perfectly saying individual who talks 157 00:08:26,080 --> 00:08:28,320 Speaker 1: to myself quite a lot. That's actually really good. You're 158 00:08:28,360 --> 00:08:31,480 Speaker 1: talking it out. Yeah, I'm embarrassed when people over here 159 00:08:31,520 --> 00:08:33,760 Speaker 1: it Oh me too. I did that at a public 160 00:08:33,800 --> 00:08:36,559 Speaker 1: restroom recently, where I was talking to myself about the 161 00:08:36,559 --> 00:08:38,160 Speaker 1: way I looked. I'm like, why did I do this 162 00:08:38,200 --> 00:08:41,360 Speaker 1: to myself? And so walked in and I'm just like, hey, 163 00:08:42,080 --> 00:08:46,720 Speaker 1: it's very embarrassing, especially depending on what you were talking about. 164 00:08:47,000 --> 00:08:51,560 Speaker 1: Oh boy. Um, And there are certain type of safe fears. 165 00:08:51,720 --> 00:08:55,240 Speaker 1: Some people really dig like horror movies, survival, horror video games, 166 00:08:55,360 --> 00:08:58,040 Speaker 1: haunted houses. I feel like I'm totally describing myself around. 167 00:08:58,600 --> 00:09:01,480 Speaker 1: Horror movies make billions of dollars a year. There are 168 00:09:01,520 --> 00:09:04,440 Speaker 1: five thousand hot houses that operate each year for the 169 00:09:04,440 --> 00:09:07,320 Speaker 1: Halloween season in the US, so it's a big industry 170 00:09:07,360 --> 00:09:09,960 Speaker 1: scaring people, right, scaring themselves. I will say, I really 171 00:09:10,040 --> 00:09:13,720 Speaker 1: enjoy scaring other people. So I am that person that 172 00:09:13,760 --> 00:09:16,000 Speaker 1: will unless someone tells me, like you, I tried not 173 00:09:16,080 --> 00:09:18,720 Speaker 1: to do that to you because you're easily scared. Like 174 00:09:18,760 --> 00:09:21,920 Speaker 1: I walk to you in a public space and you jump, 175 00:09:21,960 --> 00:09:24,120 Speaker 1: and I'm like, oh my god, I'm just I'm just walking. 176 00:09:25,679 --> 00:09:27,439 Speaker 1: But it is really fun to kind of like get 177 00:09:27,480 --> 00:09:30,400 Speaker 1: somebody every now and again, just see the reaction people 178 00:09:30,400 --> 00:09:34,000 Speaker 1: do that to me, and initially I get like what 179 00:09:34,240 --> 00:09:39,480 Speaker 1: and then I laugh as well. But haunted houses, no, no, no, 180 00:09:39,480 --> 00:09:42,800 Speaker 1: no no no no no no no no, Because I 181 00:09:42,800 --> 00:09:45,040 Speaker 1: have my card, You're not scheduling all of mine. Yeah, 182 00:09:45,040 --> 00:09:47,600 Speaker 1: I absolutely no, Because I think you talked to me 183 00:09:47,600 --> 00:09:49,440 Speaker 1: about it before. I was like, no, I don't need 184 00:09:49,480 --> 00:09:51,000 Speaker 1: people to touch me and chase me, to look at me. 185 00:09:51,040 --> 00:09:54,559 Speaker 1: Come at me. I don't know, thank you though, that's fair, 186 00:09:54,720 --> 00:09:57,440 Speaker 1: That's totally fair. And I but I loved it and 187 00:09:57,480 --> 00:10:00,760 Speaker 1: I won't Yes, but I love hormone. Yeah, but that's 188 00:10:00,800 --> 00:10:05,600 Speaker 1: also a distance from me. They're not coming necessarily at me. Right. Um, 189 00:10:05,640 --> 00:10:08,080 Speaker 1: I find that I'm really good at If I can't 190 00:10:08,080 --> 00:10:11,280 Speaker 1: sleep the night after a horror movie, I just tell myself, 191 00:10:11,400 --> 00:10:13,920 Speaker 1: if you hadn't watched that horror movie, you would have 192 00:10:13,960 --> 00:10:17,040 Speaker 1: slept fine. Like, this is a concern you created for yourself, 193 00:10:17,280 --> 00:10:21,000 Speaker 1: and usually that's it. That's all I needed. Um. Some 194 00:10:21,160 --> 00:10:26,480 Speaker 1: psychologists and researchers suggests that, um, this whole liking be 195 00:10:26,520 --> 00:10:28,640 Speaker 1: scared or liking hont houses and horror movies is an 196 00:10:28,679 --> 00:10:32,400 Speaker 1: evolutionary advantage. The theory goes that for the same reason 197 00:10:32,400 --> 00:10:34,720 Speaker 1: we like knowing gossip on those around us and are 198 00:10:34,760 --> 00:10:38,800 Speaker 1: fascinated with people who have survived under extraordinary circumstances, we 199 00:10:38,920 --> 00:10:43,360 Speaker 1: like things like haunted houses or horror movies because we're 200 00:10:43,400 --> 00:10:46,679 Speaker 1: like a partner of our brain thinks we're learning from 201 00:10:46,679 --> 00:10:51,079 Speaker 1: others how to survive and get ahead. Um, Like, if 202 00:10:51,160 --> 00:10:53,959 Speaker 1: I was in this situation with this ghost, don't do 203 00:10:54,040 --> 00:10:57,800 Speaker 1: what that person did because she didn't survive things like that. 204 00:10:58,720 --> 00:11:01,960 Speaker 1: Fear can also trigger are the same chemical reactions as 205 00:11:02,040 --> 00:11:05,960 Speaker 1: happiness does or excitement does in our brains. So being 206 00:11:05,960 --> 00:11:09,760 Speaker 1: afraid under certain conditions can be fun for some people, 207 00:11:10,160 --> 00:11:13,280 Speaker 1: the so called adrenaline junkies, for example, And I would 208 00:11:13,360 --> 00:11:18,000 Speaker 1: call myself an adrenaline junkie. Light or maybe medium. I 209 00:11:18,040 --> 00:11:20,360 Speaker 1: don't know. I do like skydiving and bungee jumping, but 210 00:11:20,400 --> 00:11:26,360 Speaker 1: I'm not doing the more extremely right kind of also 211 00:11:26,400 --> 00:11:30,559 Speaker 1: extremely clumsy. I think I've just had to accept for 212 00:11:30,679 --> 00:11:34,400 Speaker 1: you me too. So some research indicates that fear may 213 00:11:34,400 --> 00:11:37,320 Speaker 1: be related to the body's physical response to something like 214 00:11:37,360 --> 00:11:39,000 Speaker 1: a fear of heights, but I have something to do 215 00:11:39,120 --> 00:11:42,360 Speaker 1: with the dizzy nous of it. All um or other 216 00:11:42,440 --> 00:11:46,000 Speaker 1: fears are related to past trauma and perhaps even generational trauma, 217 00:11:46,040 --> 00:11:48,840 Speaker 1: which I've definitely seen that as a thing. There's been 218 00:11:48,880 --> 00:11:52,720 Speaker 1: a lot more science and research into that lately. Fear 219 00:11:53,120 --> 00:11:56,640 Speaker 1: makes us do all kinds of things on a national level, 220 00:11:56,720 --> 00:12:00,240 Speaker 1: like country wise restrict our borders, for instance, or in 221 00:12:00,320 --> 00:12:05,720 Speaker 1: act policies that are unnecessary and perhaps detrimental. We even 222 00:12:05,720 --> 00:12:08,520 Speaker 1: talked about this before, about how we were known to 223 00:12:08,600 --> 00:12:12,360 Speaker 1: make policies based on perceived fears based on the type 224 00:12:12,360 --> 00:12:14,960 Speaker 1: of media we consume in the representations that we see 225 00:12:14,960 --> 00:12:16,280 Speaker 1: in that media. We're going to come back to that 226 00:12:16,280 --> 00:12:18,240 Speaker 1: in a little bit. This is one of the reasons 227 00:12:18,280 --> 00:12:22,520 Speaker 1: that diverse portrayals in our media really matters, right. Chapman 228 00:12:22,640 --> 00:12:26,480 Speaker 1: University recently conducted a survey on what exactly scares Americans, 229 00:12:26,720 --> 00:12:28,920 Speaker 1: and what they found were things like walking home alone 230 00:12:28,960 --> 00:12:32,319 Speaker 1: at night, being involved in a mess, shooting, identity theft, 231 00:12:32,360 --> 00:12:36,560 Speaker 1: and internet safety or lack thereof, and the classic public speaking. 232 00:12:36,880 --> 00:12:41,160 Speaker 1: And for me, oh my goodness, yes, So one of 233 00:12:41,160 --> 00:12:42,680 Speaker 1: the things that you and I are having to do, 234 00:12:42,720 --> 00:12:45,280 Speaker 1: what we're having to do is kid and panels talk 235 00:12:45,320 --> 00:12:47,120 Speaker 1: to people. And I can do the one on one 236 00:12:47,160 --> 00:12:51,040 Speaker 1: thing perfectly. Well, Um, when I get in front of someone, 237 00:12:51,360 --> 00:12:54,200 Speaker 1: I kind of block it out and I forget what 238 00:12:54,200 --> 00:12:57,360 Speaker 1: has happened. So essentially I black out on stage, like 239 00:12:57,600 --> 00:12:59,040 Speaker 1: I have no idea what the hell I just said. 240 00:12:59,160 --> 00:13:02,040 Speaker 1: I really hope it was cohesive. Though I've done that 241 00:13:02,120 --> 00:13:04,560 Speaker 1: before too, I've only done it once. But after I 242 00:13:04,600 --> 00:13:09,360 Speaker 1: had to give this presentation in college, an hour and 243 00:13:09,360 --> 00:13:14,840 Speaker 1: a half long presentation in French on heart replacement in 244 00:13:15,200 --> 00:13:19,480 Speaker 1: medical stuff, and I afterwards, people were asking questions about it, 245 00:13:19,520 --> 00:13:22,840 Speaker 1: and I said, I I literally can't remember anything that's happened. 246 00:13:23,760 --> 00:13:26,480 Speaker 1: And then on top of that, today I just had 247 00:13:26,520 --> 00:13:31,319 Speaker 1: to do a training about uh security of your software, 248 00:13:31,480 --> 00:13:34,840 Speaker 1: internet security stuff and and we talked about ransomware and 249 00:13:34,880 --> 00:13:37,319 Speaker 1: all now where, and I was like, oh, oh oh, 250 00:13:37,800 --> 00:13:41,040 Speaker 1: and so now I'm super scared. O. No. Yeah, I've 251 00:13:41,040 --> 00:13:43,000 Speaker 1: actually watched a lot of horror movies recently that have 252 00:13:43,160 --> 00:13:45,640 Speaker 1: to do with cybersecurity, and you'd you might think, how 253 00:13:45,640 --> 00:13:47,840 Speaker 1: in the world can that be a horror movie. It 254 00:13:47,880 --> 00:13:52,720 Speaker 1: can be that I found them very disturbing. Um. And uh, 255 00:13:52,800 --> 00:13:56,839 Speaker 1: the mass shooting thing um is something I've definitely experienced 256 00:13:57,040 --> 00:13:58,880 Speaker 1: where any time I go to a big event or 257 00:13:58,920 --> 00:14:01,480 Speaker 1: even just a movies, I think about it. You start 258 00:14:01,480 --> 00:14:03,960 Speaker 1: looking at exits exits and I sit really low on 259 00:14:04,000 --> 00:14:09,040 Speaker 1: my seat. Um, which is really really sad, unfortunate. If 260 00:14:09,080 --> 00:14:13,280 Speaker 1: we break down those fears that that survey by political party, 261 00:14:13,360 --> 00:14:16,440 Speaker 1: people who identified as Democrats were more likely to report 262 00:14:16,440 --> 00:14:21,360 Speaker 1: fears around man made disasters, pollution, and personal safety. Republicans, 263 00:14:21,400 --> 00:14:23,440 Speaker 1: on the other hand, were more likely to give answers 264 00:14:23,480 --> 00:14:31,680 Speaker 1: like immigrants, government and quote today's US Hello. Those liberals. 265 00:14:32,920 --> 00:14:35,520 Speaker 1: I guess I'm not really a youth of today. But 266 00:14:35,720 --> 00:14:38,160 Speaker 1: still I was told I was ruining the country, so 267 00:14:38,560 --> 00:14:43,840 Speaker 1: you know, there's that congrats. I don't really know. Um. 268 00:14:43,920 --> 00:14:46,480 Speaker 1: The survey also found a correlation between people who watch 269 00:14:46,640 --> 00:14:49,200 Speaker 1: true crime and the number of fears that they held, 270 00:14:49,720 --> 00:14:53,720 Speaker 1: So that makes perfect sense. I love true crime things though, 271 00:14:53,760 --> 00:14:55,840 Speaker 1: like gay Land and Snap, but I think I go 272 00:14:55,880 --> 00:14:57,920 Speaker 1: a bit deeper with trying to die sight whether the 273 00:14:57,920 --> 00:15:01,000 Speaker 1: individuals are being represented fairly. So I'm a weirdo, so 274 00:15:01,040 --> 00:15:03,840 Speaker 1: I come from like the social social work, social justice 275 00:15:04,040 --> 00:15:07,600 Speaker 1: perspective in that way of like, no wonder they're here, 276 00:15:07,880 --> 00:15:09,960 Speaker 1: this is why, and this kind of makes sense, not 277 00:15:10,000 --> 00:15:12,200 Speaker 1: that anybody deserves to die now that anybody should be 278 00:15:12,240 --> 00:15:15,480 Speaker 1: in a gang. I'm just saying the aftermath of what happens, 279 00:15:15,520 --> 00:15:20,480 Speaker 1: you're like, Oh, and also where they truly represented. I'm 280 00:15:20,520 --> 00:15:22,440 Speaker 1: an odd went on that one. So it's more so 281 00:15:22,520 --> 00:15:26,120 Speaker 1: of like how can I fix them right, less than fairsting. 282 00:15:27,520 --> 00:15:31,000 Speaker 1: I think that says a lot about you. A lot 283 00:15:31,080 --> 00:15:34,280 Speaker 1: of fears have to do more with a lack of control, 284 00:15:34,680 --> 00:15:37,960 Speaker 1: Like you're far more likely to die in a car crash, 285 00:15:38,360 --> 00:15:40,560 Speaker 1: but a car is a known thing in theory, like 286 00:15:40,600 --> 00:15:42,320 Speaker 1: you know how to operate one, you've see them all 287 00:15:42,360 --> 00:15:45,640 Speaker 1: the time, um, and that is in your control, as 288 00:15:45,680 --> 00:15:48,200 Speaker 1: opposed to an airplane where you get on it and 289 00:15:48,240 --> 00:15:51,440 Speaker 1: sort of surrender right to the pilot and you don't 290 00:15:51,480 --> 00:15:54,280 Speaker 1: really know how it works. There's nothing you can do 291 00:15:54,440 --> 00:16:00,400 Speaker 1: about it. Fear consists of two responses, the bio chemical 292 00:16:00,600 --> 00:16:04,320 Speaker 1: and the emotional. The biochemical reaction to something that induces 293 00:16:04,400 --> 00:16:08,880 Speaker 1: fear are things like increased heart read and sweating, hyadrenal levels, 294 00:16:08,920 --> 00:16:14,240 Speaker 1: blacking out, um, fight or flight. Everyone experiences pretty much 295 00:16:14,320 --> 00:16:18,320 Speaker 1: the same biochemical responses, but the emotional response is a 296 00:16:18,400 --> 00:16:21,960 Speaker 1: personal one, like adrenaline. Junkies are people who avoid horror 297 00:16:22,000 --> 00:16:25,680 Speaker 1: movies at all cost um and there are some interesting 298 00:16:25,800 --> 00:16:29,600 Speaker 1: gender differences. So in the late ninety eighties, researchers at 299 00:16:29,600 --> 00:16:33,160 Speaker 1: Columbia University conducted a study looking into gender differences when 300 00:16:33,160 --> 00:16:36,280 Speaker 1: it comes to fear. They gave the participants a writing prompt, 301 00:16:36,480 --> 00:16:39,280 Speaker 1: a scary story about death. What they found was that 302 00:16:39,320 --> 00:16:41,440 Speaker 1: in general, men wrote a story about their own death, 303 00:16:41,440 --> 00:16:43,400 Speaker 1: while women wrote about the death of a loved one, 304 00:16:43,440 --> 00:16:46,600 Speaker 1: a spouse, a child, or a family member. In the 305 00:16:47,480 --> 00:16:50,600 Speaker 1: study found that of the seven four participants. Women were 306 00:16:50,600 --> 00:16:52,960 Speaker 1: almost twice as likely as men to meet the criteria 307 00:16:53,000 --> 00:16:55,720 Speaker 1: for a phobia and almost four times as likely to 308 00:16:55,800 --> 00:16:59,000 Speaker 1: meet the criteria for multiple phobias. Women were also twice 309 00:16:59,040 --> 00:17:02,800 Speaker 1: as likely to have situational phobias like darkness and flying. 310 00:17:03,120 --> 00:17:06,000 Speaker 1: Women are also more likely to develop anxiety disorders, and 311 00:17:06,040 --> 00:17:08,720 Speaker 1: that's something that we've talked about before, and there has 312 00:17:08,760 --> 00:17:11,080 Speaker 1: been a lot of research into why that is, and 313 00:17:11,119 --> 00:17:13,240 Speaker 1: we're going to talk about some of that research. But 314 00:17:13,400 --> 00:17:15,240 Speaker 1: first we're going to stop for a quick break for 315 00:17:15,280 --> 00:17:30,440 Speaker 1: word from our sponsor, and we're back. Thank you sponsoring. 316 00:17:31,320 --> 00:17:36,639 Speaker 1: Until more modern history, being fearful and dependent was a 317 00:17:36,680 --> 00:17:40,560 Speaker 1: part of feminine charm. It was a byproduct of women 318 00:17:40,640 --> 00:17:42,960 Speaker 1: being kept in the dark when it came to the 319 00:17:43,000 --> 00:17:45,800 Speaker 1: workings of society, of not being able to own anything, 320 00:17:46,240 --> 00:17:50,600 Speaker 1: of being classified as property of men, and that came 321 00:17:50,640 --> 00:17:54,320 Speaker 1: with the feeling of powerlessness, a state of constant worry 322 00:17:54,800 --> 00:17:58,760 Speaker 1: that was acceptable and even expected of women. Right So 323 00:17:58,880 --> 00:18:01,959 Speaker 1: boys at conditioned not to show fear, while girls are not. 324 00:18:02,119 --> 00:18:05,000 Speaker 1: Women are conditioned to be more fearful than men. Recent 325 00:18:05,040 --> 00:18:07,680 Speaker 1: research has found that men are better at concealing fear 326 00:18:07,760 --> 00:18:10,280 Speaker 1: than women, and that they might be feeling in less 327 00:18:10,280 --> 00:18:14,760 Speaker 1: of a cribal way than women, and I personally remember 328 00:18:15,440 --> 00:18:20,000 Speaker 1: getting so frustrated hearing the different expectations all my brothers 329 00:18:20,000 --> 00:18:23,159 Speaker 1: compared to me. Are just the constant question of is 330 00:18:23,160 --> 00:18:26,560 Speaker 1: that safe? Shouldn't you take a man with you? Because 331 00:18:26,600 --> 00:18:28,560 Speaker 1: of things like this, it makes sense to me that 332 00:18:28,600 --> 00:18:32,159 Speaker 1: women in general hold more fears and anxieties. We were 333 00:18:32,160 --> 00:18:36,080 Speaker 1: reminded of her vulnerability due to our gender. Every day 334 00:18:36,119 --> 00:18:38,879 Speaker 1: we have to think about our safety and ways men don't. 335 00:18:38,960 --> 00:18:42,440 Speaker 1: It's always in the back of our minds. We see 336 00:18:42,440 --> 00:18:43,840 Speaker 1: it in the news and we hear it from our 337 00:18:43,880 --> 00:18:48,320 Speaker 1: friends and family. Every woman has a story of something 338 00:18:48,440 --> 00:18:51,560 Speaker 1: terrible happening to themselves or a woman that they know. Right. 339 00:18:51,600 --> 00:18:54,240 Speaker 1: They even had a little hashtag for people to share 340 00:18:54,400 --> 00:18:57,760 Speaker 1: stories of what it's like to run alone women its 341 00:18:57,840 --> 00:18:59,919 Speaker 1: like to run alone, or why they fear running all 342 00:19:00,000 --> 00:19:02,760 Speaker 1: own or running at night, all of those different things, 343 00:19:02,760 --> 00:19:06,120 Speaker 1: and unfortunately that is something that we are ingrained with, 344 00:19:06,240 --> 00:19:07,960 Speaker 1: as well as the fact that the incidents that have 345 00:19:08,000 --> 00:19:11,080 Speaker 1: happened once again show us that we're not protected, right, 346 00:19:11,119 --> 00:19:14,800 Speaker 1: That's what it feels like anyway. There is, of course 347 00:19:14,840 --> 00:19:17,679 Speaker 1: the famous quote, and this is paraphrasing, men are afraid 348 00:19:17,760 --> 00:19:19,520 Speaker 1: women will laugh at them. Women are afraid of being 349 00:19:19,720 --> 00:19:22,640 Speaker 1: raped and killed. When asked what they are afraid of, 350 00:19:22,800 --> 00:19:26,000 Speaker 1: women are more likely to have specifics. Men are more 351 00:19:26,000 --> 00:19:29,840 Speaker 1: likely to say something like looking stupid if asked how 352 00:19:29,920 --> 00:19:33,880 Speaker 1: someone protects ourselves or oneselves. Women have specifics. Men aren't 353 00:19:33,880 --> 00:19:37,040 Speaker 1: sure what you mean. And this is generalizations from an 354 00:19:37,080 --> 00:19:42,040 Speaker 1: informal study conducted by the PBS documentarians behind No Safe Place. 355 00:19:42,320 --> 00:19:45,160 Speaker 1: One study found that women reported higher resting fear levels 356 00:19:45,160 --> 00:19:49,280 Speaker 1: than men, even when physiological science were not present. Another 357 00:19:49,359 --> 00:19:51,760 Speaker 1: study found that we as a society tend to over 358 00:19:51,800 --> 00:19:55,200 Speaker 1: report anxiety in women. Given the same level of emotional 359 00:19:55,200 --> 00:19:58,760 Speaker 1: response between male and female participants, the female participants were 360 00:19:58,760 --> 00:20:03,360 Speaker 1: more likely to read themselves as more emotional outsiders rate 361 00:20:03,440 --> 00:20:08,520 Speaker 1: them as more emotional as well, again the same response um. 362 00:20:08,560 --> 00:20:11,120 Speaker 1: This calls back to our episode on women not being 363 00:20:11,160 --> 00:20:13,840 Speaker 1: believed when they report symptoms of a heart attack, instead 364 00:20:13,880 --> 00:20:17,720 Speaker 1: being told you know you're stressed. To calm down. When 365 00:20:17,760 --> 00:20:20,560 Speaker 1: confronted with something that triggers a fear response, both men 366 00:20:20,600 --> 00:20:24,159 Speaker 1: and women have similar reactions grease, heart rate, breathing, muscle tension, 367 00:20:24,160 --> 00:20:27,440 Speaker 1: and blood pressure. In other words. Yes, that that biochemical 368 00:20:27,440 --> 00:20:30,640 Speaker 1: response we're talking about earlier, the fight or fight response. However, 369 00:20:30,880 --> 00:20:34,520 Speaker 1: according to researchers out of U c l A, women 370 00:20:34,600 --> 00:20:39,320 Speaker 1: have additional unique response called tend and befriends. I was 371 00:20:39,359 --> 00:20:42,800 Speaker 1: gonna say, didn't They also add freeze, fight, fight, fight, 372 00:20:43,040 --> 00:20:46,120 Speaker 1: flight and freeze as a part of the responses. Now yeah, 373 00:20:46,160 --> 00:20:48,800 Speaker 1: I think so, yeah, which is could be the tend 374 00:20:48,960 --> 00:20:52,560 Speaker 1: and be friend? Oh God, what do I do if 375 00:20:52,560 --> 00:20:56,680 Speaker 1: I'm nice to you or we're gonna be okay? Basically, 376 00:20:56,720 --> 00:21:00,600 Speaker 1: tending befriend is a need to protect h the woman, 377 00:21:00,640 --> 00:21:04,800 Speaker 1: herself and any children she may have. Oxytocin and reprotective 378 00:21:04,800 --> 00:21:07,080 Speaker 1: hormones play a role in it. Um It makes women 379 00:21:07,119 --> 00:21:10,200 Speaker 1: more likely to seek out others to help them. Men 380 00:21:10,280 --> 00:21:14,920 Speaker 1: have a more marked fight our flight response. And this 381 00:21:15,280 --> 00:21:18,119 Speaker 1: brings us to the media, because we did want to 382 00:21:18,119 --> 00:21:20,280 Speaker 1: come back and talk about the role of media plays 383 00:21:20,320 --> 00:21:24,560 Speaker 1: and all of this because fear portrayals and fearmongering they 384 00:21:24,560 --> 00:21:30,200 Speaker 1: have major consequences. Let's talk about the news because exaggerating 385 00:21:30,200 --> 00:21:32,520 Speaker 1: the dangers we face in the news is something that 386 00:21:32,600 --> 00:21:35,520 Speaker 1: psychologists have looked a lot into and warned against. This 387 00:21:35,600 --> 00:21:39,320 Speaker 1: is frequently called if it bleeds it leads, so you're 388 00:21:39,359 --> 00:21:43,920 Speaker 1: more violent stories. If you paint them particularly grizzly, people 389 00:21:43,920 --> 00:21:47,200 Speaker 1: are more likely to tune in again. Kind of going 390 00:21:47,240 --> 00:21:49,320 Speaker 1: back to that thing we said earlier, where your brain 391 00:21:49,440 --> 00:21:52,280 Speaker 1: is like if this happens to me, I can survive? 392 00:21:52,400 --> 00:21:56,240 Speaker 1: Or how what should I avoid to not survive? First, 393 00:21:56,480 --> 00:22:00,640 Speaker 1: the news, by nature is news. It's it's something happened, 394 00:22:00,720 --> 00:22:04,199 Speaker 1: and generally bad news and good news happen um and 395 00:22:04,240 --> 00:22:07,160 Speaker 1: are reported on very differently UM. One example I've seen 396 00:22:07,320 --> 00:22:11,000 Speaker 1: is like good news is on a longer time frame, 397 00:22:11,160 --> 00:22:14,879 Speaker 1: so if life expectancy is going up, you might not 398 00:22:15,080 --> 00:22:18,439 Speaker 1: see that until enough research has been done or until 399 00:22:18,800 --> 00:22:22,280 Speaker 1: enough time has passed, whereas bad news is generally something 400 00:22:22,320 --> 00:22:26,480 Speaker 1: has happened and it is bad um. Thanks to something 401 00:22:26,520 --> 00:22:30,879 Speaker 1: psychologists called the availability heuristic, people estimate how often something 402 00:22:30,960 --> 00:22:33,840 Speaker 1: happens based on how readily we think we can think 403 00:22:33,880 --> 00:22:36,920 Speaker 1: of something similar. So if we see more bad news 404 00:22:36,920 --> 00:22:40,000 Speaker 1: than good news, will think more bad things happen as 405 00:22:40,000 --> 00:22:43,560 Speaker 1: opposed to good things. Things like airplane crashes and stark 406 00:22:43,600 --> 00:22:47,240 Speaker 1: attacks make the news when compared to more boring in 407 00:22:47,400 --> 00:22:50,800 Speaker 1: clothes deaths, so we think they happen more than they 408 00:22:50,840 --> 00:22:54,320 Speaker 1: do and we fear them more than perhaps we should write. 409 00:22:54,560 --> 00:22:57,600 Speaker 1: And according to data, news in general has gotten more 410 00:22:57,640 --> 00:23:00,240 Speaker 1: negative since the nineteen nineties all over the world. Old 411 00:23:00,440 --> 00:23:02,639 Speaker 1: for people who consume a lot of news, this watched 412 00:23:02,680 --> 00:23:05,800 Speaker 1: their worldview. The most well known example is an increased 413 00:23:05,800 --> 00:23:09,640 Speaker 1: fear of crime, even though crime rates have steadily been dropping. Yeah, 414 00:23:09,760 --> 00:23:13,160 Speaker 1: and I know this sounds like we're coming out against 415 00:23:13,200 --> 00:23:15,399 Speaker 1: the news or not. I have somebody who I consume 416 00:23:15,440 --> 00:23:17,240 Speaker 1: a lot of news, but I do think there's value 417 00:23:17,280 --> 00:23:20,600 Speaker 1: in being, you know, taking a step back. I won't 418 00:23:20,600 --> 00:23:23,720 Speaker 1: watch the news. I yeah, it's it's rough. The one 419 00:23:23,760 --> 00:23:26,120 Speaker 1: thing I like to do is go through some types 420 00:23:26,119 --> 00:23:28,680 Speaker 1: of headlines to pick and choose so I can read 421 00:23:28,720 --> 00:23:32,280 Speaker 1: it and then go on with it. Um. But I 422 00:23:32,320 --> 00:23:37,600 Speaker 1: know several people who just have Fox News on repeat, 423 00:23:37,720 --> 00:23:40,600 Speaker 1: and and my mother actually specifically said I have to 424 00:23:40,600 --> 00:23:43,160 Speaker 1: stop watching Fox News. She said that to me at 425 00:23:43,160 --> 00:23:45,440 Speaker 1: one point when we got into a really big argument, 426 00:23:45,640 --> 00:23:48,520 Speaker 1: and I was like, huh, so you know that it 427 00:23:48,640 --> 00:23:52,240 Speaker 1: is an acknowledgement in what you hear, and just being 428 00:23:52,240 --> 00:23:56,640 Speaker 1: consumed by that completely makes a whole different perspective happen, 429 00:23:56,760 --> 00:24:00,320 Speaker 1: or your world being very tainted by that perspective, Yeah, 430 00:24:00,440 --> 00:24:03,600 Speaker 1: not tainted or at least influence influence yeah. I I 431 00:24:03,680 --> 00:24:10,360 Speaker 1: read a piece recently on UM the rise of comedians 432 00:24:11,080 --> 00:24:14,920 Speaker 1: kind of being where people get the news because it's 433 00:24:14,920 --> 00:24:19,119 Speaker 1: an easier way to digest it. It's a less painful way. 434 00:24:19,359 --> 00:24:22,640 Speaker 1: UM in the rise of like satirical news shows. Some 435 00:24:22,720 --> 00:24:27,800 Speaker 1: journalists proposed that this whole increasing negativity of the news 436 00:24:27,840 --> 00:24:31,360 Speaker 1: in part has led to President Trump, and not the 437 00:24:31,560 --> 00:24:34,440 Speaker 1: usual subjects as you're probably thinking, but the more relentless 438 00:24:34,760 --> 00:24:38,560 Speaker 1: blanket of cynicism that makes people watching the news feel 439 00:24:38,600 --> 00:24:42,680 Speaker 1: that incremental systemic change is impossible, like if everything's bad, 440 00:24:43,080 --> 00:24:47,800 Speaker 1: blow up the system right. Essentially, Trump weaponizes fear all 441 00:24:48,040 --> 00:24:52,000 Speaker 1: the time, and his integration speech he repeated false claims 442 00:24:52,000 --> 00:24:55,960 Speaker 1: about crime rates and actually used the phrase American carnage. 443 00:24:56,880 --> 00:25:00,639 Speaker 1: Studies and surveys have found that this is in riitly effective, 444 00:25:00,720 --> 00:25:03,520 Speaker 1: very effective. And I remember he would use specific examples 445 00:25:03,760 --> 00:25:07,720 Speaker 1: of um, someone who may be trying to get a 446 00:25:07,800 --> 00:25:11,160 Speaker 1: legal status, and would talk about any of the criminal 447 00:25:11,240 --> 00:25:14,520 Speaker 1: records and specifically highlight that and then play that repeatedly, 448 00:25:14,520 --> 00:25:16,840 Speaker 1: saying this is what's coming into our country. He even 449 00:25:16,880 --> 00:25:19,120 Speaker 1: called them all rapists and drug dealers if I don't 450 00:25:19,119 --> 00:25:22,680 Speaker 1: remember correctly. Um, so absolutely, and it works. I have. 451 00:25:23,080 --> 00:25:26,560 Speaker 1: I've had that excuse paraded back to me as to 452 00:25:26,720 --> 00:25:29,720 Speaker 1: why immigration is so important. Um, but if you can 453 00:25:29,760 --> 00:25:31,919 Speaker 1: also be used to persuade us to give up certain 454 00:25:32,000 --> 00:25:35,480 Speaker 1: rights or privacy, which is what I learned today as 455 00:25:35,600 --> 00:25:37,280 Speaker 1: I was doing my little training that I was telling 456 00:25:37,320 --> 00:25:39,160 Speaker 1: you about that one of the things that they do 457 00:25:39,240 --> 00:25:41,960 Speaker 1: is tell you you're about to be arrested for something, 458 00:25:42,400 --> 00:25:44,480 Speaker 1: or you're going to get negative for something. You better 459 00:25:44,640 --> 00:25:47,159 Speaker 1: contact us immediately or you will be deemed And this 460 00:25:47,320 --> 00:25:51,800 Speaker 1: is essentially ransom ransomware, ransomware, ransomware or malware. And I'm like, 461 00:25:53,400 --> 00:25:55,600 Speaker 1: I've never clicked on those because I don't pay attention. 462 00:25:56,400 --> 00:25:59,840 Speaker 1: In the earliest days of the Internet, I got a 463 00:26:01,160 --> 00:26:04,280 Speaker 1: ransomware that turned out to be really hilarious really because 464 00:26:04,280 --> 00:26:08,520 Speaker 1: it didn't work. Um, but I got a message, uh 465 00:26:09,160 --> 00:26:14,040 Speaker 1: my M s N and it was like, you have 466 00:26:14,320 --> 00:26:17,120 Speaker 1: twenty four hours to get me all of this stuff. However, 467 00:26:17,160 --> 00:26:19,240 Speaker 1: I'm gonna tell you everything from your computer, and I 468 00:26:19,320 --> 00:26:24,160 Speaker 1: just forgot about it. Not even better, that's even better. 469 00:26:24,200 --> 00:26:28,240 Speaker 1: You just forgot. I totally forgot. Um. Hopefully that didn't 470 00:26:28,280 --> 00:26:32,560 Speaker 1: have consequences that I'm okay, you seem to be doing. 471 00:26:32,600 --> 00:26:35,480 Speaker 1: Okay me mentioning it is going to trigger something from 472 00:26:35,480 --> 00:26:41,080 Speaker 1: the old desktop. Um, but yeah, kind of going off 473 00:26:41,119 --> 00:26:44,600 Speaker 1: of that of fear being used to get us to 474 00:26:44,600 --> 00:26:47,800 Speaker 1: give up certain rights September eleven. After September eleven, two 475 00:26:47,800 --> 00:26:51,760 Speaker 1: tho one, fear fed in part by the news media 476 00:26:51,920 --> 00:26:57,159 Speaker 1: led to increased racism and profiling of Muslim Americans. The 477 00:26:57,240 --> 00:27:01,720 Speaker 1: overrepresentation of black men as criminals and pecularly violent criminals 478 00:27:01,760 --> 00:27:04,840 Speaker 1: in our news um, and the more intimidating language used 479 00:27:04,880 --> 00:27:07,719 Speaker 1: around those crimes as opposed to similar crimes committed by 480 00:27:07,720 --> 00:27:11,600 Speaker 1: white men, contributes to a society that racializes crime. What 481 00:27:11,720 --> 00:27:15,320 Speaker 1: people think a criminal quote looks like. As we've seen, 482 00:27:15,520 --> 00:27:17,359 Speaker 1: this can be life or death when it comes to 483 00:27:17,400 --> 00:27:20,080 Speaker 1: police shootings of black people. And obviously the issue is 484 00:27:20,080 --> 00:27:22,119 Speaker 1: bigger than that and involves a lot of other pieces, 485 00:27:22,119 --> 00:27:24,359 Speaker 1: but this is a part of it, exactly. And I 486 00:27:24,440 --> 00:27:26,680 Speaker 1: know there was a lot of conversation about the pictures 487 00:27:26,720 --> 00:27:31,760 Speaker 1: that are posted um of victims versus uh, black victims 488 00:27:31,840 --> 00:27:35,320 Speaker 1: versus white victims, or black perpetrators versus white propetators, and 489 00:27:35,520 --> 00:27:38,720 Speaker 1: in the way that makes them look as we know that, 490 00:27:38,840 --> 00:27:43,399 Speaker 1: it definitely puts a specific stereotype and an assumption of 491 00:27:43,600 --> 00:27:46,760 Speaker 1: why they died or how they died, which is unfortunate itself. 492 00:27:47,560 --> 00:27:51,520 Speaker 1: So from four one stud he found that sixties six 493 00:27:51,600 --> 00:27:53,639 Speaker 1: percent of the low amount of time allotted to the 494 00:27:53,680 --> 00:27:57,240 Speaker 1: Latin NEXT folks involved stories of crimes or immigration. Yeah, 495 00:27:57,320 --> 00:28:00,600 Speaker 1: so we're not talking about them off in the news 496 00:28:01,119 --> 00:28:03,960 Speaker 1: issues around Latin X folks, but when we are six 497 00:28:04,040 --> 00:28:06,000 Speaker 1: or six percent at the time, it's the grimmar integration. 498 00:28:06,480 --> 00:28:08,960 Speaker 1: One study from twelve found that after being exposed to 499 00:28:09,040 --> 00:28:12,200 Speaker 1: as little as one minute of negative news about the 500 00:28:12,280 --> 00:28:15,840 Speaker 1: Latino community, participants were much more likely trade members of 501 00:28:15,840 --> 00:28:20,000 Speaker 1: that community as stupid, even given a general positive outlook 502 00:28:20,040 --> 00:28:24,320 Speaker 1: on the community before watching the news club right. This 503 00:28:24,400 --> 00:28:27,800 Speaker 1: again can lead to real life policies that are fear based, ineffective, 504 00:28:27,840 --> 00:28:31,400 Speaker 1: and damaging, like zero tolerance at the border. And then 505 00:28:31,400 --> 00:28:34,679 Speaker 1: black offenders are three point nine times likelier to receive 506 00:28:34,680 --> 00:28:37,160 Speaker 1: the death penalty when compared to the offenders of other 507 00:28:37,280 --> 00:28:40,880 Speaker 1: races who committed similar crimes, and in courtrooms, black defendants 508 00:28:40,920 --> 00:28:44,520 Speaker 1: receive an average of nineteen point one percent longer sentence 509 00:28:44,720 --> 00:28:48,160 Speaker 1: than white defendants who committed a comparable crime. Some researchers 510 00:28:48,200 --> 00:28:50,960 Speaker 1: believe that a piece of this is the racialized fearmongering 511 00:28:50,960 --> 00:28:54,640 Speaker 1: and our news media. And even just an example of um, 512 00:28:54,680 --> 00:28:57,960 Speaker 1: what happened recently was the young black man who went 513 00:28:58,000 --> 00:29:01,360 Speaker 1: to jail from missing joy duty for ten days. Yeah, 514 00:29:01,560 --> 00:29:04,480 Speaker 1: and then we have Felicia Hoffman of a wealthy white 515 00:29:04,480 --> 00:29:08,160 Speaker 1: woman went to jail what twelve days for bribing and 516 00:29:08,200 --> 00:29:10,360 Speaker 1: doing i Llegal things to get her child into a 517 00:29:10,400 --> 00:29:12,840 Speaker 1: privileged college. It's just kind of like what you have. 518 00:29:13,000 --> 00:29:16,320 Speaker 1: You have one that is obviously doing something illegal to 519 00:29:16,400 --> 00:29:19,600 Speaker 1: her advantage and one who did not understand and missed 520 00:29:19,640 --> 00:29:26,400 Speaker 1: something and therefore what Yeah, negative stereotypes of the mentally 521 00:29:26,400 --> 00:29:28,720 Speaker 1: ill in her news and pop culture have also had 522 00:29:28,760 --> 00:29:32,360 Speaker 1: negative outcomes on our view and treatment of mental illness. UM. 523 00:29:32,360 --> 00:29:37,560 Speaker 1: Probably returned to that future episode because that's a big topic. UM. 524 00:29:37,680 --> 00:29:40,680 Speaker 1: Several academic papers have been written about how the news 525 00:29:40,760 --> 00:29:44,800 Speaker 1: media has historically helped conditioned women to be more fearful 526 00:29:45,640 --> 00:29:49,040 Speaker 1: by capitalizing off of detailed stories about violence against women. 527 00:29:49,240 --> 00:29:51,920 Speaker 1: The stories chosen are often that of a young, often 528 00:29:52,000 --> 00:29:54,960 Speaker 1: white woman being raped by a stranger, leading to a 529 00:29:55,040 --> 00:29:59,200 Speaker 1: misconception that this is how most rapes happen, and for 530 00:29:59,240 --> 00:30:02,720 Speaker 1: many reasons that's dangerous. We touched on that in our 531 00:30:02,800 --> 00:30:06,480 Speaker 1: Trauma series and our friend Justin also touched on that 532 00:30:06,600 --> 00:30:09,880 Speaker 1: as why that can be seriously dangerous. Yeah, and it 533 00:30:10,520 --> 00:30:13,120 Speaker 1: impacts people in court rooms because they think that's not 534 00:30:13,200 --> 00:30:15,760 Speaker 1: what a rape looks like, right, Samantha. Our lawyer friend 535 00:30:15,840 --> 00:30:17,880 Speaker 1: was talking about that was the biggest problem that she 536 00:30:18,000 --> 00:30:23,840 Speaker 1: faced was it wasn't bad enough to be believed. I 537 00:30:23,920 --> 00:30:26,479 Speaker 1: read a whole history of rape reporting for this and 538 00:30:26,480 --> 00:30:30,320 Speaker 1: it was fascinating, very sad, but fascinating. Prior to the 539 00:30:30,400 --> 00:30:33,400 Speaker 1: nineteen seventies, only three cases of rape are reported around 540 00:30:33,440 --> 00:30:39,400 Speaker 1: women's anger in magazines, and they were viewed as unusual 541 00:30:39,600 --> 00:30:42,800 Speaker 1: and quotes cases. Two of them dealt with Italian women 542 00:30:42,800 --> 00:30:46,479 Speaker 1: who refused to marry their rapists and quote redeem their honor, 543 00:30:46,800 --> 00:30:49,080 Speaker 1: even though the rapist of one of these women was 544 00:30:49,160 --> 00:30:54,400 Speaker 1: quote so charming well, the rapist was charming well. Starting 545 00:30:54,400 --> 00:30:57,200 Speaker 1: in the nineteen seventies, articles began to focus more on 546 00:30:57,280 --> 00:31:00,520 Speaker 1: questions around the rapist motivations and the mud h faults, 547 00:31:00,880 --> 00:31:03,440 Speaker 1: whether or not the rapist and victims name should be used, 548 00:31:03,560 --> 00:31:06,400 Speaker 1: what she was weighing, those type of things and how 549 00:31:06,520 --> 00:31:10,840 Speaker 1: is a societal problem. Yeah, famous sensationalized cases where have 550 00:31:10,960 --> 00:31:13,800 Speaker 1: led to other eight victims asking their lawyers to withdraw 551 00:31:13,880 --> 00:31:19,200 Speaker 1: their case fearful of similar attention. I've also read reports 552 00:31:19,200 --> 00:31:22,400 Speaker 1: on how we've become more okay talking about sexual assault 553 00:31:22,480 --> 00:31:26,040 Speaker 1: when it comes to women, men taking away women's sexual agency. 554 00:31:26,040 --> 00:31:29,280 Speaker 1: But we still can't talk about women having sex for pleasure. 555 00:31:30,600 --> 00:31:34,080 Speaker 1: That's so many other things we could do episodes on 556 00:31:34,160 --> 00:31:38,720 Speaker 1: this episode, women are definitely generally portrayed as more fearful 557 00:31:38,760 --> 00:31:41,800 Speaker 1: in our media. This is a more culturally acceptable and 558 00:31:41,880 --> 00:31:44,640 Speaker 1: expected response from women and girls, like we were talking 559 00:31:44,640 --> 00:31:47,200 Speaker 1: about earlier. I can personally think of so many trailers 560 00:31:47,920 --> 00:31:53,200 Speaker 1: that have some shots, many shots of women screaming or cowering. 561 00:31:53,360 --> 00:31:57,640 Speaker 1: Don't they specifically seek out women who can scream? Yeah? 562 00:31:59,640 --> 00:32:02,200 Speaker 1: We all so frequently see a dismissal of women's fears 563 00:32:02,240 --> 00:32:05,480 Speaker 1: as silly and horror movies, male characters are more likely 564 00:32:05,560 --> 00:32:08,200 Speaker 1: to confront the monster head on, while women are more 565 00:32:08,240 --> 00:32:11,160 Speaker 1: likely to run and only fight when forced. Now, there 566 00:32:11,160 --> 00:32:17,400 Speaker 1: has been some opinions that that shows the how masculinity 567 00:32:17,440 --> 00:32:21,720 Speaker 1: won't save you in the end. Men usually die immediately, Yes, 568 00:32:21,760 --> 00:32:24,280 Speaker 1: but still you're seeing male characters in a much stronger 569 00:32:24,360 --> 00:32:26,640 Speaker 1: kind of like I'm going to go face this problem 570 00:32:26,720 --> 00:32:33,000 Speaker 1: and female characters kind of running away, and um, there 571 00:32:33,040 --> 00:32:35,680 Speaker 1: has been an essay that we're going to talk about 572 00:32:35,720 --> 00:32:39,160 Speaker 1: a second. The writer of the essay compared like the remakes, 573 00:32:39,160 --> 00:32:43,040 Speaker 1: the seventies version and the remakes and you generally, the 574 00:32:43,480 --> 00:32:46,400 Speaker 1: remakes have made the running away into more of a 575 00:32:46,520 --> 00:32:49,800 Speaker 1: problem solving, like it's kind of a stronger thing than 576 00:32:49,880 --> 00:32:55,360 Speaker 1: just fleeing screaming. Um. Yes, female characters do spend more 577 00:32:55,400 --> 00:32:57,600 Speaker 1: time screaming and carrying as compared to male characters. It's 578 00:32:57,640 --> 00:33:00,760 Speaker 1: not just me that thought that I don't scream. I 579 00:33:00,760 --> 00:33:04,080 Speaker 1: get scared and you get silent. Yeah, I'm kind of 580 00:33:04,080 --> 00:33:08,880 Speaker 1: the same. I might shout and surprise the hell No. Yeah, 581 00:33:08,920 --> 00:33:14,600 Speaker 1: that's my screaming like an actual fear. I very really screaming. 582 00:33:14,600 --> 00:33:17,320 Speaker 1: In fact, I have um as an actor, I have 583 00:33:17,400 --> 00:33:21,120 Speaker 1: trouble streaming because it feels so like, I don't know, 584 00:33:21,200 --> 00:33:24,600 Speaker 1: I get like disingenuous yea or something. Yeah. To me, 585 00:33:24,680 --> 00:33:26,200 Speaker 1: it's not a real response because I'm going to be 586 00:33:26,200 --> 00:33:27,880 Speaker 1: a freezing person that just as there and stairs that 587 00:33:27,960 --> 00:33:31,040 Speaker 1: you're like, oh, what does happen? Yeah, So from Chad 588 00:33:31,040 --> 00:33:34,520 Speaker 1: Brewers two thousand five paper which you're mentioning the stereotypic 589 00:33:34,560 --> 00:33:37,480 Speaker 1: portrayal of women in slash of films then versus now. 590 00:33:38,080 --> 00:33:40,840 Speaker 1: In a study of horror films and female stereotype behavior, 591 00:33:40,960 --> 00:33:45,000 Speaker 1: Zillman and Weaver from established that girls and female adolescents 592 00:33:45,000 --> 00:33:48,320 Speaker 1: in horror films who are witnessed displaying fearfulness in protective 593 00:33:48,360 --> 00:33:50,280 Speaker 1: need in the face of terror on the screen are 594 00:33:50,360 --> 00:33:53,800 Speaker 1: more favorably evaluated by male and female peers and non 595 00:33:53,800 --> 00:33:57,440 Speaker 1: peers than their counterparts who are witness display no distress. 596 00:33:58,000 --> 00:34:00,880 Speaker 1: That me but no distress. The display of fear is 597 00:34:00,960 --> 00:34:03,480 Speaker 1: merely one example of feminine stair tapped in that viewers 598 00:34:03,520 --> 00:34:08,360 Speaker 1: expect the females will remain afraid and helpless. No no 599 00:34:09,520 --> 00:34:13,000 Speaker 1: fear um has long been used as a marketing tactic 600 00:34:13,320 --> 00:34:16,200 Speaker 1: to convince people, especially women. I would argue to buy 601 00:34:16,200 --> 00:34:19,640 Speaker 1: stuff that they don't need, so sort of this whole 602 00:34:19,680 --> 00:34:24,759 Speaker 1: thing of fostering fear in women and then saying you 603 00:34:24,760 --> 00:34:28,000 Speaker 1: should buy this, You should buy the pink the pink 604 00:34:28,040 --> 00:34:31,640 Speaker 1: pepper spray which someone has given me as a goody. 605 00:34:32,080 --> 00:34:35,319 Speaker 1: It's so cute. Wait, didn't you have that in your movie? Yes, yes, 606 00:34:35,640 --> 00:34:39,760 Speaker 1: that was based on a real thing. Okay. Some studies 607 00:34:39,760 --> 00:34:42,920 Speaker 1: have found that people make decisions on birth based on 608 00:34:43,000 --> 00:34:45,480 Speaker 1: what they've learned from the media, which rarely depicts a normal, 609 00:34:45,560 --> 00:34:49,439 Speaker 1: healthy birth. It's something that our society has made very 610 00:34:49,480 --> 00:34:53,040 Speaker 1: mysterious that we've hidden from view unless highly dramatized for 611 00:34:53,080 --> 00:34:56,920 Speaker 1: our entertainment. Increasingly that is changing with folks going online 612 00:34:56,920 --> 00:35:00,479 Speaker 1: for more information, which comes with its own set of risk. 613 00:35:00,560 --> 00:35:03,040 Speaker 1: I'm sure a lot of us are familiar with those. 614 00:35:04,600 --> 00:35:09,080 Speaker 1: Um so there's a lot going on with fear. Fear 615 00:35:09,160 --> 00:35:11,600 Speaker 1: is a very complex thing to talk about and the 616 00:35:11,640 --> 00:35:14,120 Speaker 1: impacts that have are also very complex. But we do 617 00:35:14,280 --> 00:35:16,759 Speaker 1: have a little bit more for you and some so 618 00:35:17,080 --> 00:35:20,480 Speaker 1: little tips on fear management. But first we have one 619 00:35:20,520 --> 00:35:35,719 Speaker 1: more quick break for a root from our sponsor and 620 00:35:35,760 --> 00:35:40,560 Speaker 1: we're back. Thank you sponsor. So fear management. If you're 621 00:35:40,640 --> 00:35:45,399 Speaker 1: looking to like go of some fears, experts recommend therapy 622 00:35:45,880 --> 00:35:49,640 Speaker 1: if that's an option for you, or otherwise finding coping mechanisms. 623 00:35:49,680 --> 00:35:52,560 Speaker 1: Perhaps if you find your fear is based on things 624 00:35:52,560 --> 00:35:55,520 Speaker 1: you're seeing in the news, step away or find a 625 00:35:55,600 --> 00:35:59,120 Speaker 1: different way to get that news. Gradual exposure is something 626 00:35:59,120 --> 00:36:01,080 Speaker 1: else that's recommend It this is how I got over 627 00:36:01,160 --> 00:36:05,640 Speaker 1: my fear of aliens and extraterrestrials. Um. This can be 628 00:36:05,680 --> 00:36:08,719 Speaker 1: re traumatizing though, if not handled carefully and while cognizant 629 00:36:08,719 --> 00:36:11,279 Speaker 1: of your mental health and learning to recognize emotions and 630 00:36:11,280 --> 00:36:13,879 Speaker 1: where they're coming from. Like if you can pinpoint why 631 00:36:13,920 --> 00:36:16,640 Speaker 1: am I so distressed right now? What is it? That's 632 00:36:16,640 --> 00:36:18,520 Speaker 1: really helpful and that's a tool that you have to 633 00:36:18,520 --> 00:36:23,960 Speaker 1: work on. UM. I know some places recommend under supervision 634 00:36:24,040 --> 00:36:28,960 Speaker 1: doing the like exposure, massive exposure right away. I personally 635 00:36:29,000 --> 00:36:30,560 Speaker 1: have my dubts about that, but hey, if you've got 636 00:36:30,600 --> 00:36:35,319 Speaker 1: a professional that you trust, do your research. Okay, it's 637 00:36:35,320 --> 00:36:37,839 Speaker 1: a whole Criminal Minds episode, by the way, is it, Yeah, 638 00:36:37,960 --> 00:36:43,359 Speaker 1: where the therapist does exposure therapy. But like a lot 639 00:36:40,840 --> 00:36:48,360 Speaker 1: of yea yeah, well yeah yeah, be careful. Yeah, to me, 640 00:36:48,520 --> 00:36:51,759 Speaker 1: it gradual is key. Maybe first start like just by 641 00:36:51,800 --> 00:36:54,360 Speaker 1: talking about it, and then go from looking at a 642 00:36:54,440 --> 00:36:58,400 Speaker 1: picture representation to playing with something related to it. Things 643 00:36:58,440 --> 00:37:02,600 Speaker 1: like that and so on. Always be critical of the media. 644 00:37:02,760 --> 00:37:05,160 Speaker 1: I think that's a good one. And the news you consume, 645 00:37:05,280 --> 00:37:07,920 Speaker 1: as we all were already talked about how is it 646 00:37:07,920 --> 00:37:10,920 Speaker 1: can be very biased. Make sure you could start thinking 647 00:37:10,920 --> 00:37:13,719 Speaker 1: about and reasoning out what this means and what it 648 00:37:13,800 --> 00:37:17,439 Speaker 1: may be saying to you. Yeah, just if you find 649 00:37:17,520 --> 00:37:22,200 Speaker 1: something is making you afraid, ask why why? Then? Why 650 00:37:22,280 --> 00:37:27,920 Speaker 1: what is the gender here? Um? I for one have 651 00:37:28,120 --> 00:37:31,560 Speaker 1: notes that say be brave all around my apartment at 652 00:37:31,560 --> 00:37:34,400 Speaker 1: my desk as a reminder, and they actually do help 653 00:37:35,640 --> 00:37:37,319 Speaker 1: for some weird I don't know why. I look at 654 00:37:37,360 --> 00:37:40,160 Speaker 1: them and I'm like, here we go. Yeah, I have 655 00:37:40,239 --> 00:37:43,279 Speaker 1: to take long, deep breaths for me sometimes when I'm 656 00:37:43,320 --> 00:37:45,759 Speaker 1: in a really bad situation and their fear comes up 657 00:37:45,840 --> 00:37:48,080 Speaker 1: or the anxiety comes up due to that fear. Yeah, 658 00:37:48,560 --> 00:37:50,319 Speaker 1: and that's a good one. If you know what your 659 00:37:50,320 --> 00:37:55,040 Speaker 1: physical responses are to fear, find ways to physically compact. 660 00:37:56,400 --> 00:37:59,719 Speaker 1: Fear is powerful and political and useful. It influences our 661 00:37:59,760 --> 00:38:03,239 Speaker 1: lives on a global and national and personal way. Knowing 662 00:38:03,280 --> 00:38:05,279 Speaker 1: more about it and how people use it to manipulate 663 00:38:05,360 --> 00:38:07,319 Speaker 1: us and how it frames the way people view us 664 00:38:07,520 --> 00:38:10,520 Speaker 1: is really really useful. Because while haunted houses and horror 665 00:38:10,560 --> 00:38:15,920 Speaker 1: movies can be really fun for some, racism and sexism 666 00:38:16,120 --> 00:38:19,800 Speaker 1: are not. Obviously, I would hope that would be obvious. 667 00:38:19,920 --> 00:38:24,640 Speaker 1: I would hope so, but worth repeating, worth repeating, So 668 00:38:24,920 --> 00:38:28,600 Speaker 1: I feel like there's I have so much more we 669 00:38:28,920 --> 00:38:31,160 Speaker 1: could talk about. I mean, honestly, we could just take 670 00:38:31,200 --> 00:38:33,960 Speaker 1: down at decipher through some of these things and do 671 00:38:34,160 --> 00:38:38,480 Speaker 1: that individual small sentence as a bigger episode. Obviously we 672 00:38:38,560 --> 00:38:41,239 Speaker 1: could and if those, if anything that we've touched on 673 00:38:41,280 --> 00:38:43,320 Speaker 1: this episode really resonates with you listeners, right in and 674 00:38:43,440 --> 00:38:47,600 Speaker 1: let us know, because we take your suggestions seriously. Yes, UM, 675 00:38:47,960 --> 00:38:50,920 Speaker 1: And speaking of we did want to read some listener 676 00:38:50,960 --> 00:38:56,440 Speaker 1: mail slash shout outs. Valerie wrote, I'd like to suggest 677 00:38:56,440 --> 00:38:58,600 Speaker 1: a flash forward. This is a UM. When we asked 678 00:38:58,600 --> 00:39:02,480 Speaker 1: for podcast suggestions UM in each episode, the podcaster rose 679 00:39:02,680 --> 00:39:05,719 Speaker 1: evel I hope I'm pronouncing that correctly imagines a scenario 680 00:39:05,800 --> 00:39:08,440 Speaker 1: from the future where some particular thing has happened, such as, 681 00:39:08,440 --> 00:39:11,240 Speaker 1: for example, if all the honey bees were gone. Actors 682 00:39:11,280 --> 00:39:13,120 Speaker 1: act out the scenario and then rose it does an 683 00:39:13,160 --> 00:39:15,160 Speaker 1: in depth look at the science behind it. High they 684 00:39:15,160 --> 00:39:19,360 Speaker 1: recommended that sounds awesome. It's fantastic idea. Yeah, I definitely 685 00:39:19,400 --> 00:39:22,360 Speaker 1: want to check that out. Maggie wrote, I was catching 686 00:39:22,400 --> 00:39:24,200 Speaker 1: up on Smenty today. I wanted to thank you both 687 00:39:24,200 --> 00:39:26,799 Speaker 1: for the fantastic episode on women in Podcasting. Well, thank you. 688 00:39:27,360 --> 00:39:29,560 Speaker 1: I have a movie podcast with my best friend. It's 689 00:39:29,560 --> 00:39:31,520 Speaker 1: a hobby for us, definitely not a career, and it 690 00:39:31,560 --> 00:39:34,000 Speaker 1: was so refreshing to hear two talented, kickass women in 691 00:39:34,040 --> 00:39:36,680 Speaker 1: the industry open up about their experience and insecurities with it. 692 00:39:36,960 --> 00:39:39,520 Speaker 1: I definitely related to hating the sound of your own voice. 693 00:39:39,560 --> 00:39:41,680 Speaker 1: I headed all of our podcasts, so I've gotten used 694 00:39:41,680 --> 00:39:43,960 Speaker 1: to it, but I still often catch myself editing out 695 00:39:43,960 --> 00:39:46,359 Speaker 1: my arms and likes because of the fear that I'll 696 00:39:46,360 --> 00:39:48,799 Speaker 1: sound too young, or stupid, or just not confident enough 697 00:39:48,840 --> 00:39:52,360 Speaker 1: in my opinions and analysis. For the longest time, I 698 00:39:52,400 --> 00:39:54,680 Speaker 1: was very shy about even telling people I had a 699 00:39:54,719 --> 00:39:57,280 Speaker 1: podcast because I knew how critical people could be, especially 700 00:39:57,320 --> 00:39:59,400 Speaker 1: of female voices, and I didn't feel like it was 701 00:39:59,440 --> 00:40:02,560 Speaker 1: a real podcast since our listenership is fairly small and 702 00:40:02,600 --> 00:40:04,920 Speaker 1: we record sitting on the floor of my closet because 703 00:40:04,920 --> 00:40:08,239 Speaker 1: I will trade dignity for good acoustics any day. It 704 00:40:08,280 --> 00:40:10,400 Speaker 1: didn't help that a friend of a friend wants asked 705 00:40:10,400 --> 00:40:12,600 Speaker 1: me what what I thought gave me the right to 706 00:40:12,640 --> 00:40:15,160 Speaker 1: have a podcast when it came up in casual conversation. 707 00:40:15,760 --> 00:40:18,680 Speaker 1: I've gotten over that, partially from support of my close 708 00:40:18,680 --> 00:40:21,400 Speaker 1: friends and family, and partially thanks to great female podcasting 709 00:40:21,480 --> 00:40:25,239 Speaker 1: role models such as yourself. Oh it's called I. I 710 00:40:25,280 --> 00:40:28,040 Speaker 1: emailed her back and asked her about the podcast because 711 00:40:28,040 --> 00:40:30,280 Speaker 1: we need to know. Yes, and it's called the Best 712 00:40:30,320 --> 00:40:35,120 Speaker 1: Pictures Podcast, and we're watching and reviewing every Academy Award 713 00:40:35,160 --> 00:40:37,719 Speaker 1: Best Picture. The episodes on It Happened One Night and 714 00:40:37,800 --> 00:40:40,399 Speaker 1: An American in Paris are probably my favorite. So yeah, 715 00:40:40,520 --> 00:40:42,719 Speaker 1: my friend is watching the A f I list of 716 00:40:42,800 --> 00:40:45,480 Speaker 1: top movies. I think they may be done now, but 717 00:40:45,560 --> 00:40:47,759 Speaker 1: I know that was something. So that's super cool because 718 00:40:47,760 --> 00:40:50,480 Speaker 1: people want to know, Yeah, what is this because I'm 719 00:40:50,480 --> 00:40:52,240 Speaker 1: not going to watch every single one of those movies. 720 00:40:52,360 --> 00:40:54,360 Speaker 1: I have a friend who did that, and she's actually 721 00:40:54,360 --> 00:40:58,040 Speaker 1: been on the show before. Hello Katie. Yeah, I don't 722 00:40:58,160 --> 00:41:01,080 Speaker 1: think I maybe half, but yeah, I go check out 723 00:41:01,200 --> 00:41:04,719 Speaker 1: that podcast and then we have another one. Jamie wrote, 724 00:41:04,719 --> 00:41:07,040 Speaker 1: I just listen to your podcast about Lady Clowns and 725 00:41:07,040 --> 00:41:09,520 Speaker 1: it immediately had me thinking about my colleague. I'm one 726 00:41:09,560 --> 00:41:13,239 Speaker 1: of the Capital City Sisters of Perpetual Indulgence in Sacramento, California. 727 00:41:13,600 --> 00:41:15,960 Speaker 1: The mother House in San Francisco starting the seventies and 728 00:41:16,000 --> 00:41:18,200 Speaker 1: has spread all over the world, even in Atlanta. We 729 00:41:18,239 --> 00:41:21,360 Speaker 1: are five oh one C three that raises money, educates 730 00:41:21,360 --> 00:41:23,279 Speaker 1: the public, and does amazing things for our local l 731 00:41:23,280 --> 00:41:25,880 Speaker 1: g B, t q A plus communities. Most of us 732 00:41:25,880 --> 00:41:29,000 Speaker 1: wear white face paint and colorful makeup, often resembling clowns. 733 00:41:29,000 --> 00:41:32,400 Speaker 1: Are really pale drag queens. We also wear cornets and veils. 734 00:41:32,520 --> 00:41:36,759 Speaker 1: Like the nuns we patterned ourselves after, we do the 735 00:41:36,800 --> 00:41:39,280 Speaker 1: works of nuns in our communities, leading lives of service. 736 00:41:39,360 --> 00:41:41,279 Speaker 1: But like the clowns in your episode, we spread joy 737 00:41:41,360 --> 00:41:44,760 Speaker 1: and eliminate stigmatic guilt. Some of us referred to ourselves 738 00:41:44,800 --> 00:41:48,080 Speaker 1: as sacred clowns. Some of us call ourselves drag nuns. 739 00:41:48,640 --> 00:41:51,560 Speaker 1: We almost all have sister names. Mine is hav Akiki 740 00:41:51,760 --> 00:41:55,120 Speaker 1: since I'm Jewish. Most of the other sisters are Sish. 741 00:41:55,120 --> 00:41:58,720 Speaker 1: Gender gay men, women, and non binary and transistors exist, 742 00:41:58,800 --> 00:42:01,360 Speaker 1: but we are a minority and and often suffer the 743 00:42:01,440 --> 00:42:05,080 Speaker 1: judgment other women in typically male dominated group's experience. It's 744 00:42:05,160 --> 00:42:07,120 Speaker 1: much like with the clowns you spoke to and of, 745 00:42:07,600 --> 00:42:10,560 Speaker 1: and much like what other pioneering women in our past 746 00:42:10,600 --> 00:42:15,160 Speaker 1: have experienced. I myself am a podcaster Orange Lounge Radio 747 00:42:15,320 --> 00:42:19,080 Speaker 1: at vog network dot com seventeen years writing cool. Those 748 00:42:19,120 --> 00:42:22,200 Speaker 1: are listeners are doing cool stuff, some really cool stuff. 749 00:42:22,200 --> 00:42:25,279 Speaker 1: And from our Instagram accounts, the or a walk Too 750 00:42:25,400 --> 00:42:28,440 Speaker 1: said in regards to our updated episode, whenever I have 751 00:42:28,480 --> 00:42:30,719 Speaker 1: to deal slash watch things that are emotionally hard, I 752 00:42:30,719 --> 00:42:32,279 Speaker 1: get my favorite treat to go with it, so I 753 00:42:32,320 --> 00:42:34,400 Speaker 1: have suddenly to look forward to and enjoy during it, 754 00:42:34,840 --> 00:42:37,680 Speaker 1: which is actually really good advice. So I need someone 755 00:42:37,760 --> 00:42:40,640 Speaker 1: to bring me alcohol and popcorn at all time for 756 00:42:40,719 --> 00:42:43,720 Speaker 1: all the sad things way ease, but in a healthy 757 00:42:43,760 --> 00:42:46,480 Speaker 1: manner um. And we did get a d M. Yeah, 758 00:42:46,560 --> 00:42:49,200 Speaker 1: someone's litten to our d which I didn't know the thing, 759 00:42:49,320 --> 00:42:52,000 Speaker 1: but I had to teach you right now. This is 760 00:42:52,000 --> 00:42:55,360 Speaker 1: not the same context from hands in the Air emoji. 761 00:42:55,520 --> 00:42:58,120 Speaker 1: I like that, Hienne and Samantha. This is a couple 762 00:42:58,120 --> 00:43:00,239 Speaker 1: of podcasts late. But I'm goinging to write y'all about 763 00:43:00,239 --> 00:43:02,960 Speaker 1: the herbal sleep remedy I've been using that quite literally 764 00:43:02,960 --> 00:43:05,040 Speaker 1: puts me to sleep in under ten to fifteen minutes. 765 00:43:05,440 --> 00:43:08,359 Speaker 1: Have you ever tried cava cava root? I didn't know. 766 00:43:09,000 --> 00:43:11,560 Speaker 1: I'll usually mix a teaspoon or a half teaspoon in 767 00:43:11,560 --> 00:43:14,600 Speaker 1: with the evening tea or just a ginger lemon honey 768 00:43:14,640 --> 00:43:16,919 Speaker 1: for you any saince you said you don't let drink 769 00:43:16,960 --> 00:43:19,600 Speaker 1: tea um and usually never finished the cup because the 770 00:43:19,600 --> 00:43:23,160 Speaker 1: effects are so quick. So what's a tribe available at 771 00:43:23,160 --> 00:43:25,279 Speaker 1: our blist shops and some help food store? So I 772 00:43:25,320 --> 00:43:28,719 Speaker 1: hope this helps? Okay, all right, Yeah, I would look 773 00:43:28,760 --> 00:43:31,319 Speaker 1: into that one. I think it consumes. Like I said 774 00:43:31,320 --> 00:43:33,480 Speaker 1: in that episode, trying to sleep consume so much of 775 00:43:33,520 --> 00:43:36,200 Speaker 1: my life. Another day, I was reminded of when I 776 00:43:36,239 --> 00:43:38,399 Speaker 1: first moved into my old apartment, not the one I'm 777 00:43:38,400 --> 00:43:41,360 Speaker 1: currently in. I was filming a movie that was about 778 00:43:41,760 --> 00:43:44,520 Speaker 1: my character was confined to a hospital bed and she 779 00:43:44,640 --> 00:43:47,480 Speaker 1: was being tortured by ghost. And I couldn't sleep in 780 00:43:47,480 --> 00:43:51,920 Speaker 1: a bed for a long time because I was all 781 00:43:52,040 --> 00:43:55,920 Speaker 1: day in bed being ghost. So my bed was just 782 00:43:55,960 --> 00:43:59,879 Speaker 1: a mattress. I didn't even bother to put sheets on it. Well, 783 00:44:00,080 --> 00:44:02,640 Speaker 1: I get sad, and I wouldn't sleep in my bed 784 00:44:02,640 --> 00:44:04,239 Speaker 1: for a little while, but as a whole different stuff, 785 00:44:05,760 --> 00:44:09,280 Speaker 1: I laugh at your sadness. It's okay me too. If 786 00:44:09,360 --> 00:44:12,640 Speaker 1: you have a podcast recommendation or advice on how to 787 00:44:12,760 --> 00:44:16,879 Speaker 1: sleep better, we would love to hear it. You can 788 00:44:16,960 --> 00:44:19,239 Speaker 1: email us at Stuff Media, Mom Stuff at iHeart Media 789 00:44:19,280 --> 00:44:21,480 Speaker 1: dot com. You can find us on Instagram at Stuff 790 00:44:21,480 --> 00:44:24,400 Speaker 1: I Never Told You, are on Twitter at mom Stuff Podcast. 791 00:44:24,680 --> 00:44:28,120 Speaker 1: Thanks as always to our super producer Andrew Howard Andrew, 792 00:44:28,440 --> 00:44:31,920 Speaker 1: and thanks to you for listening. Thank you, Stuff I've 793 00:44:31,920 --> 00:44:33,560 Speaker 1: Never Told You. His protection of I Heart Radio's how 794 00:44:33,560 --> 00:44:35,560 Speaker 1: Stuff first. 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