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Speaker 1: And that's what you really missed with Jenna.

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Speaker 2: And Kevin An iHeartRadio podcast.

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Speaker 3: Welcome to you, and That's what you really miss podcast.

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Speaker 3: Oh my gosh, Oh my gosh, Oh my gosh. We

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Speaker 3: have Charles Auston here today from I mean, I want

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Speaker 3: to say from Nashville, but he's not from Nashville.

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Speaker 1: He's from everything. He's from the industry, everything you've ever seen,

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Speaker 3: Up comedy to Who's On is in any way improv

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Speaker 3: to the groundlings, to Nashville to the World Guinness World

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Speaker 3: He's done it so truly. I am the man doesn't

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Speaker 3: need an introduction. But we have Charlal Duston here today,

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Speaker 3: and we hope you guys enjoyed this conversation.

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Speaker 1: We talked about it all.

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Speaker 3: Shares some Nashville insight with us. His whole career has

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Speaker 3: just been completely insane. Oh buddy, Holly, pretty Holly, and

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Speaker 2: So wild. He's tapped into something. This story. The amount

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Speaker 2: of times I got goosebumps hearing his stories. I know,

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Speaker 2: I know, but hear from the man himself.

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Speaker 1: Hey good, how are you?

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Speaker 4: Thanks for having me?

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Speaker 2: This is an honor. Let me tell you. So we

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Speaker 2: finished watching Glee and we're watching all these musical TV

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Speaker 2: I I get it. So we'll get into this. Charles,

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Speaker 2: you have You have the craziest career wild Yeah. I

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Speaker 2: No you can do it? No, no, no, I don't believe that.

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Speaker 4: How I ended up getting the audition. Yeah no, my god,

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Speaker 4: There's to be able to do buddy, or do any

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Speaker 4: all this fuel inside of it and it gets ignited,

438
00:23:02,520 --> 00:23:05,760
Speaker 4: so it has all this propulsive pressure. It doesn't just

439
00:23:05,800 --> 00:23:08,919
Speaker 4: go everywhere, that's just an explosion. It is it is

440
00:23:09,040 --> 00:23:15,359
Speaker 4: directed out the batanolezl silver rocket goes, MHL.

441
00:23:15,119 --> 00:23:19,800
Speaker 2: Goes yeah, right, like, how do we funnel this energy

442
00:23:19,840 --> 00:23:20,720
Speaker 2: into a direction.

443
00:23:21,320 --> 00:23:24,240
Speaker 4: Yeah. And in the beginning it's I sort of envied

444
00:23:24,280 --> 00:23:27,760
Speaker 4: somebody that had that was Monomaniaco, had that one thing

445
00:23:28,240 --> 00:23:32,719
Speaker 4: that they aggressively shaped. I wasn't even that about acting.

446
00:23:32,760 --> 00:23:36,760
Speaker 4: I remember saying to my agents about it about six

447
00:23:36,800 --> 00:23:38,960
Speaker 4: months before Nashville. The problem with me is a client

448
00:23:39,080 --> 00:23:42,560
Speaker 4: is I'm basically pretty happy. I'm pretty satisfied. I like

449
00:23:42,640 --> 00:23:45,000
Speaker 4: you because I got a good luck, I said. I said,

450
00:23:45,040 --> 00:23:48,159
Speaker 4: the rest would be gravy, anything else, baby, And then

451
00:23:48,160 --> 00:23:50,760
Speaker 4: I said, now, don't get me wrong, I freaking love gravy.

452
00:23:50,800 --> 00:23:54,080
Speaker 4: Gravy's delicious, So you'll give me some gravy. And yeah,

453
00:23:54,280 --> 00:23:56,480
Speaker 4: I got biscuits and gravy here in Nashville.

454
00:23:56,160 --> 00:23:57,880
Speaker 2: So yeah.

455
00:23:58,080 --> 00:24:01,399
Speaker 4: So I would just say that later on, and I

456
00:24:01,400 --> 00:24:04,119
Speaker 4: think people are realizing it now. It's I think the

457
00:24:04,160 --> 00:24:07,040
Speaker 4: phrase talent stacking comes to mind, that you want to

458
00:24:07,080 --> 00:24:11,159
Speaker 4: have a handful of cards. Yes, I mean, certainly on

459
00:24:11,240 --> 00:24:12,520
Speaker 4: Broadway you don't want to just.

460
00:24:12,640 --> 00:24:16,159
Speaker 2: Oh yeah you need oh yeah, you have to be

461
00:24:16,240 --> 00:24:19,720
Speaker 2: able to do eighteen billion things at a very high level,

462
00:24:19,960 --> 00:24:20,720
Speaker 2: eighteens a week.

463
00:24:21,320 --> 00:24:24,359
Speaker 4: That's uh yeah. I was. As I said, I've come close,

464
00:24:24,400 --> 00:24:27,400
Speaker 4: and being around those that do that, it's just stunning.

465
00:24:27,440 --> 00:24:29,920
Speaker 4: It's like, oh my gosh, you are a master of

466
00:24:30,000 --> 00:24:30,560
Speaker 4: all trades.

467
00:24:30,880 --> 00:24:34,719
Speaker 2: So you've done it though, you know, ye tell me this.

468
00:24:34,920 --> 00:24:37,440
Speaker 4: I remember this so clearly being I don't know if

469
00:24:37,440 --> 00:24:40,520
Speaker 4: it was the musical of it all, or that it

470
00:24:40,560 --> 00:24:44,720
Speaker 4: was a jukebox musical. Is one of the earliest jukebox musicals,

471
00:24:45,440 --> 00:24:50,040
Speaker 4: which we're really looked down on at the time, right yeah,

472
00:24:50,440 --> 00:24:54,919
Speaker 4: by now so much as a jukebox yeah, right, But

473
00:24:55,200 --> 00:24:57,240
Speaker 4: before Buddy, there weren't that many. There might have been one,

474
00:24:57,240 --> 00:25:00,600
Speaker 4: Hank Williams one, but I can't I think of one.

475
00:25:00,760 --> 00:25:02,560
Speaker 4: So was that the fact that it was in London.

476
00:25:03,040 --> 00:25:06,720
Speaker 4: It was so far from Hollywood, but I knew what

477
00:25:06,760 --> 00:25:09,199
Speaker 4: I had done there and how amazing it was. So

478
00:25:09,240 --> 00:25:12,159
Speaker 4: I remember my first general meeting with a casting director

479
00:25:12,160 --> 00:25:15,040
Speaker 4: once I was back, and she says, so, tell me

480
00:25:15,080 --> 00:25:18,720
Speaker 4: what you've been up to, and I go, well, for

481
00:25:18,800 --> 00:25:21,760
Speaker 4: the last year and eight months I starred as Buddy

482
00:25:21,760 --> 00:25:24,119
Speaker 4: Holly in the hit West End musical Buddy and I

483
00:25:24,160 --> 00:25:26,320
Speaker 4: toured with it in the United States and I had

484
00:25:26,320 --> 00:25:28,439
Speaker 4: that cast and played in front of the Queen and

485
00:25:28,480 --> 00:25:30,639
Speaker 4: the President and I said about former things, and I

486
00:25:30,720 --> 00:25:37,520
Speaker 4: just went, yeah. And before that, I did an industrial

487
00:25:37,560 --> 00:25:45,720
Speaker 4: film promotor. It made no impact. It might I might

488
00:25:45,760 --> 00:25:48,800
Speaker 4: have just said I worked at track Auto. Yes, I

489
00:25:48,800 --> 00:25:53,880
Speaker 4: mean it really didn't. Well that was a lot too

490
00:25:54,720 --> 00:25:57,399
Speaker 4: my world while she's sitting in front of me. That

491
00:25:57,480 --> 00:25:59,920
Speaker 4: was really that was really good improval my part right there.

492
00:26:00,000 --> 00:26:02,960
Speaker 4: I kept going, But I'm pretty good in those moments.

493
00:26:04,400 --> 00:26:06,840
Speaker 2: But it did make you probably a better actor though,

494
00:26:07,040 --> 00:26:09,720
Speaker 2: right like it? Oh yeah, so that's the thing. That's

495
00:26:09,760 --> 00:26:12,000
Speaker 2: what you got, maybe not some more jobs out of it.

496
00:26:12,359 --> 00:26:14,280
Speaker 4: I got to tell you one thing about getting one job.

497
00:26:14,400 --> 00:26:16,680
Speaker 4: I'll never forget this. The first TV show I was

498
00:26:16,720 --> 00:26:19,040
Speaker 4: on was called on the Television. It was like a

499
00:26:19,080 --> 00:26:23,240
Speaker 4: sketch comedy show on Nick at Night. I got hired

500
00:26:23,280 --> 00:26:25,000
Speaker 4: because one of the guys one of the groundings there,

501
00:26:25,040 --> 00:26:27,879
Speaker 4: George McGrath. It was his show. And so first I

502
00:26:27,960 --> 00:26:30,159
Speaker 4: did research for it because there was no Google. He

503
00:26:30,280 --> 00:26:32,280
Speaker 4: just had a guy like me go find out how

504
00:26:32,320 --> 00:26:36,399
Speaker 4: many continents there were then, and then I wrote a

505
00:26:36,440 --> 00:26:38,879
Speaker 4: sketch or two. I wrote maybe three sketches over the

506
00:26:38,920 --> 00:26:41,280
Speaker 4: course of it, and then it fell apart. And then

507
00:26:41,280 --> 00:26:43,120
Speaker 4: a friend said, hey, I know a guy who's over

508
00:26:43,119 --> 00:26:47,719
Speaker 4: at FNN. FNN eventually became c NBC, and so mostly

509
00:26:47,800 --> 00:26:51,040
Speaker 4: they had tippy crawl, and somebody figured, why don't we

510
00:26:51,080 --> 00:26:53,679
Speaker 4: do some shows for very very rich people. So they

511
00:26:53,680 --> 00:26:57,000
Speaker 4: had one show about appreciating art with Vincent Price, about

512
00:26:57,160 --> 00:26:59,200
Speaker 4: art that would go up and down on the mark

513
00:26:59,200 --> 00:27:01,840
Speaker 4: collecting art. One was Auto Trend, So that's about connecting

514
00:27:01,960 --> 00:27:05,200
Speaker 4: fine cars. I'm rushing through to get to this. So

515
00:27:07,840 --> 00:27:10,159
Speaker 4: I go. I don't I'm not really a writer. I

516
00:27:10,160 --> 00:27:12,679
Speaker 4: guess you'll be fine. Just go. And so I remember

517
00:27:12,680 --> 00:27:14,600
Speaker 4: going there on top of the building is way down

518
00:27:14,640 --> 00:27:20,320
Speaker 4: near La X, near the getty that not getting Howard Hughes,

519
00:27:21,560 --> 00:27:23,919
Speaker 4: and you can see everywhere, and there's a guy behind

520
00:27:23,920 --> 00:27:27,199
Speaker 4: an amazing desk. You on the phone. We'll tell him

521
00:27:27,240 --> 00:27:29,080
Speaker 4: this and gob on my box and he hangs up.

522
00:27:29,280 --> 00:27:31,479
Speaker 4: I don't have a boulder. I don't have a single

523
00:27:31,520 --> 00:27:33,840
Speaker 4: writing thing to show him. I got nothing. I'm just

524
00:27:33,880 --> 00:27:36,639
Speaker 4: sitting there across room like I'm sitting from you, and

525
00:27:36,680 --> 00:27:44,680
Speaker 4: he goes, so, uh, you're a writer, and yes I am.

526
00:27:46,480 --> 00:27:49,720
Speaker 4: And he says, well, what have you mostly written about?

527
00:27:50,400 --> 00:27:58,320
Speaker 4: And I said, well, mostly cars and art. He came

528
00:27:58,600 --> 00:28:05,040
Speaker 4: halfway across that desk like seriously, curiously, I said, no,

529
00:28:05,320 --> 00:28:07,320
Speaker 4: I'm just Affinnoyd to you, I said, I use the

530
00:28:07,320 --> 00:28:15,159
Speaker 4: Worsson and he goes, oh, it was so embarrassed, and

531
00:28:15,240 --> 00:28:18,760
Speaker 4: that made him laugh so hard. He goes. He finally recovers.

532
00:28:18,800 --> 00:28:21,159
Speaker 4: He goes, you know what, you get the job, you

533
00:28:21,200 --> 00:28:24,159
Speaker 4: get the job. And so I was a segment producer

534
00:28:24,200 --> 00:28:26,479
Speaker 4: and I wrote two shows about art and cars. And

535
00:28:26,880 --> 00:28:28,160
Speaker 4: I can't.

536
00:28:31,400 --> 00:28:35,760
Speaker 1: A lesson to all. Yes, just charm the pants off.

537
00:28:37,040 --> 00:28:38,880
Speaker 4: That little fearlessness and what are you gonna do?

538
00:28:39,120 --> 00:28:42,880
Speaker 2: You know, you walk into the room unemployed, It's like,

539
00:28:42,880 --> 00:28:44,440
Speaker 2: what's the worst is going to happen? You live the

540
00:28:44,520 --> 00:28:45,640
Speaker 2: room still unemployed?

541
00:28:46,080 --> 00:28:47,160
Speaker 4: I can do unemployed.

542
00:28:47,520 --> 00:28:50,640
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's like, I know, unemployed, we're comfying unemployed.

543
00:28:51,000 --> 00:28:52,840
Speaker 4: Bad. We haven't talked about Nashville at all. Let me.

544
00:28:55,200 --> 00:28:58,480
Speaker 1: So, now you guys do Nashville reunion tours as well?

545
00:28:58,640 --> 00:28:59,120
Speaker 2: Is that right?

546
00:28:59,400 --> 00:29:02,640
Speaker 4: Yeah? Yeah, this February we're going to be going back

547
00:29:02,720 --> 00:29:06,240
Speaker 4: for our for another tour back in the UK and

548
00:29:06,280 --> 00:29:10,240
Speaker 4: in Europe. That's what Claire Bowen plays Scarlett of course,

549
00:29:10,280 --> 00:29:17,440
Speaker 4: Sampo and Jackson was Avery and uh, we're really kind

550
00:29:17,480 --> 00:29:20,320
Speaker 4: of lucky to do it, but also shows the power

551
00:29:20,480 --> 00:29:25,480
Speaker 4: of the of the songs themselves. Still listen to them.

552
00:29:25,600 --> 00:29:27,520
Speaker 4: And we'll be playing One of my favorites is we'll

553
00:29:27,560 --> 00:29:33,000
Speaker 4: be at the Ryman Auditorium, which not there yet, but

554
00:29:33,240 --> 00:29:37,000
Speaker 4: spoiler alert, the whole series ends on stage at the

555
00:29:37,080 --> 00:29:42,040
Speaker 4: Rymond WO. So it's always been real important and special

556
00:29:42,080 --> 00:29:45,240
Speaker 4: to me. Yeah, a dog named Rymond, but.

557
00:29:45,200 --> 00:29:48,160
Speaker 3: Go on, no, I mean, like a lot of these

558
00:29:49,080 --> 00:29:53,320
Speaker 3: institutions for country music for you guys, are you know

559
00:29:54,080 --> 00:29:57,080
Speaker 3: key locations in the show, Like what was that like

560
00:29:57,200 --> 00:30:00,200
Speaker 3: for you? Like Blueburugh Cafe and like the Aubrey, Like

561
00:30:00,480 --> 00:30:02,800
Speaker 3: what was that like for you to be able to

562
00:30:02,800 --> 00:30:05,000
Speaker 3: like step on the you know, I'm over home on

563
00:30:05,040 --> 00:30:06,840
Speaker 3: the stage one hundred and fifty seven times.

564
00:30:06,880 --> 00:30:09,120
Speaker 4: But yeah, well, the coolest thing about it was it

565
00:30:09,160 --> 00:30:14,520
Speaker 4: was always that Deacon got to play these places before

566
00:30:14,680 --> 00:30:18,480
Speaker 4: I did. It was always cool. So literally, you know

567
00:30:18,520 --> 00:30:20,040
Speaker 4: how it is if you're going to shoot a scene

568
00:30:20,080 --> 00:30:22,440
Speaker 4: on stage at the Grand Ole lotpry you might be

569
00:30:22,480 --> 00:30:25,360
Speaker 4: there two whole days. Yeah, you know, thirteen hour days.

570
00:30:25,560 --> 00:30:27,680
Speaker 4: And that was it me standing with the guitar on

571
00:30:27,800 --> 00:30:30,160
Speaker 4: stage at the Grand Old Lopry. So by the time

572
00:30:30,200 --> 00:30:32,080
Speaker 4: it was my time to get up there, I felt

573
00:30:32,080 --> 00:30:35,360
Speaker 4: some of those little old fashioned butterflies, but I was fine.

574
00:30:35,400 --> 00:30:38,120
Speaker 4: But also I've often thought that you could, I really

575
00:30:38,200 --> 00:30:40,800
Speaker 4: want to go to locations and get a map, and

576
00:30:41,600 --> 00:30:44,479
Speaker 4: if we highlighted every single place where there's one right

577
00:30:44,520 --> 00:30:47,680
Speaker 4: behind me. Look at that right there, busy. Yes, you

578
00:30:47,720 --> 00:30:48,840
Speaker 4: know the pilot episode.

579
00:30:49,040 --> 00:30:50,480
Speaker 1: Yeah, well you guys do you and Connie have your

580
00:30:50,640 --> 00:30:52,840
Speaker 1: like big scene in the pilot.

581
00:30:52,680 --> 00:30:55,520
Speaker 4: And then there's more later and later later episodes. So

582
00:30:55,560 --> 00:30:58,680
Speaker 4: my wife bought me that because, you know, bridgemant to

583
00:30:58,800 --> 00:31:02,640
Speaker 4: me and us the guitar I stole from Nashville amazing.

584
00:31:03,880 --> 00:31:13,440
Speaker 2: Yes, oh yeah, no way, oh yeah, that's beautiful.

585
00:31:14,000 --> 00:31:18,360
Speaker 4: Yeah, so's special. They forgot to ask for it back. Yeah.

586
00:31:19,000 --> 00:31:24,720
Speaker 4: So yeah, it was I think, honestly, you know, Connie

587
00:31:24,760 --> 00:31:28,080
Speaker 4: and Hayden first, but the real star of Nashville was Nashville,

588
00:31:28,160 --> 00:31:30,560
Speaker 4: and I think it really showed it off and too.

589
00:31:32,120 --> 00:31:35,040
Speaker 4: I mean, this town was already starting to boom, but

590
00:31:35,080 --> 00:31:37,760
Speaker 4: the combination of the actual boom that was and showing

591
00:31:37,760 --> 00:31:40,200
Speaker 4: it to the world. We get blamed for the traffic

592
00:31:40,280 --> 00:31:42,080
Speaker 4: all the time, and all for all the new buildings.

593
00:31:42,080 --> 00:31:43,680
Speaker 4: I'll tell you one other thing that you know, when

594
00:31:43,680 --> 00:31:47,080
Speaker 4: you're shooting on location, you have base camps where you

595
00:31:47,120 --> 00:31:50,200
Speaker 4: have your closed trailer, all the trailers, all the equipment.

596
00:31:50,240 --> 00:31:53,360
Speaker 4: This is where the actors trailers made, may here, makeup props,

597
00:31:53,760 --> 00:31:57,160
Speaker 4: all of that. We would do those in vacant lots

598
00:31:57,920 --> 00:32:01,720
Speaker 4: in the city. The time we were done, there were

599
00:32:01,760 --> 00:32:03,000
Speaker 4: no more vacant lots.

600
00:32:04,160 --> 00:32:05,400
Speaker 2: That's crazy.

601
00:32:05,480 --> 00:32:08,800
Speaker 4: They were all buildings. They had all been developed. Such

602
00:32:08,840 --> 00:32:12,360
Speaker 4: a bad Yeah. Yeah, the city has been amazing to us.

603
00:32:12,360 --> 00:32:22,440
Speaker 4: That's why I stayed. Yeah.

604
00:32:22,960 --> 00:32:26,239
Speaker 2: For me growing up, you know, trying to become an

605
00:32:26,240 --> 00:32:29,800
Speaker 2: actor and do TV and I also did music pre acting.

606
00:32:30,360 --> 00:32:32,920
Speaker 2: I always got asked, you know, well you have to

607
00:32:33,000 --> 00:32:35,880
Speaker 2: do one or the other, like you can't do both,

608
00:32:35,960 --> 00:32:39,160
Speaker 2: And here you are. You know, that's sort of I

609
00:32:39,200 --> 00:32:42,560
Speaker 2: only had two choices. You know, you grew up with

610
00:32:42,640 --> 00:32:45,800
Speaker 2: a host of skills, acquiring a host of skills, and

611
00:32:45,840 --> 00:32:50,640
Speaker 2: then something like Nashville comes along, where you know it's

612
00:32:51,120 --> 00:32:53,720
Speaker 2: all this all this acting work leading you to being

613
00:32:53,720 --> 00:32:56,600
Speaker 2: a leading man. You started out in a band, and

614
00:32:56,640 --> 00:33:02,400
Speaker 2: here's the show based around music. And how did that

615
00:33:02,520 --> 00:33:05,800
Speaker 2: feel like the opportunity to do a musical TV show?

616
00:33:05,840 --> 00:33:08,400
Speaker 2: Because obviously, yes, Glee was on smashes on but there.

617
00:33:08,560 --> 00:33:11,040
Speaker 2: That doesn't mean there were a lot of musical shows

618
00:33:11,080 --> 00:33:13,520
Speaker 2: being made. No, No, there weren't, and that opportunity never

619
00:33:13,600 --> 00:33:14,160
Speaker 2: came around.

620
00:33:14,840 --> 00:33:17,920
Speaker 4: I'll tell you two things. One way I felt, and

621
00:33:18,040 --> 00:33:19,680
Speaker 4: this is a good way to feel when you reach

622
00:33:19,720 --> 00:33:23,440
Speaker 4: that certain age and you I felt like I reached

623
00:33:23,480 --> 00:33:25,560
Speaker 4: into my pocket and there was a whole bunch of

624
00:33:25,640 --> 00:33:28,800
Speaker 4: cardboard pieces in my pocket with flashes of color all

625
00:33:28,840 --> 00:33:30,960
Speaker 4: over them, and I just reached in my pocket. I

626
00:33:31,000 --> 00:33:32,720
Speaker 4: emptied my pockets out and I put them on a

627
00:33:32,760 --> 00:33:36,120
Speaker 4: table and I went and I put them all together.

628
00:33:36,960 --> 00:33:40,400
Speaker 4: It was Nashville. So every little thing that I had done,

629
00:33:40,440 --> 00:33:43,920
Speaker 4: every little piece of that, and all those years that

630
00:33:43,920 --> 00:33:45,800
Speaker 4: that rejection you got, and you know, what's that for?

631
00:33:45,960 --> 00:33:49,160
Speaker 4: I don't know that job that was a weird little job.

632
00:33:49,200 --> 00:33:55,040
Speaker 4: What's that? And all those things eventually became that. It's

633
00:33:55,120 --> 00:33:57,320
Speaker 4: just I felt so fortunate. It felt like a real

634
00:33:57,400 --> 00:34:01,239
Speaker 4: coming together. That example I gave of the magic behind it.

635
00:34:01,280 --> 00:34:03,600
Speaker 4: That's just one I'll tell you another I was, I've

636
00:34:04,080 --> 00:34:07,040
Speaker 4: never stopped writing music, like when I go to college.

637
00:34:07,480 --> 00:34:10,680
Speaker 4: Probably started off as more rock, more ram you twoish

638
00:34:10,840 --> 00:34:14,680
Speaker 4: when but as I started, I got married, started having kids.

639
00:34:15,760 --> 00:34:18,520
Speaker 4: You keep the station on something that the toddlers can

640
00:34:18,560 --> 00:34:22,439
Speaker 4: hear and right, and I started really loving that two

641
00:34:22,480 --> 00:34:27,520
Speaker 4: thousands country in nineties, early two thousands country. So just

642
00:34:27,520 --> 00:34:30,960
Speaker 4: another day in Paradise and all these things I was feeling.

643
00:34:31,000 --> 00:34:32,520
Speaker 4: And I also, to be honest, I write in a

644
00:34:32,520 --> 00:34:36,520
Speaker 4: more literal way, less metaphorical rock metaphor. I write stories,

645
00:34:36,560 --> 00:34:39,279
Speaker 4: and maybe it comes wrong with a punchline, or maybe

646
00:34:39,280 --> 00:34:42,880
Speaker 4: it's just ea, stop loving country. Yeah country. So we

647
00:34:42,960 --> 00:34:46,799
Speaker 4: got more and more country, and eventually, through a long

648
00:34:46,800 --> 00:34:50,160
Speaker 4: story I won't tell you, I met a Nashville songwriter,

649
00:34:50,520 --> 00:34:52,799
Speaker 4: wonderful woman named Jane Bach, and she would go back

650
00:34:52,800 --> 00:34:56,960
Speaker 4: and forth Nashville Toba. And I started writing with her

651
00:34:57,040 --> 00:34:58,839
Speaker 4: and she and I wrote six or seven songs over

652
00:34:58,880 --> 00:35:04,680
Speaker 4: these good months and they were pretty good. And so

653
00:35:05,000 --> 00:35:06,920
Speaker 4: she was telling me I knew what a writer's round was,

654
00:35:06,960 --> 00:35:09,080
Speaker 4: and so we actually had a writer's round out. I

655
00:35:09,080 --> 00:35:11,320
Speaker 4: think it was on cold or Kolanga. It was a

656
00:35:11,400 --> 00:35:14,040
Speaker 4: Korean barbecue place and at night we played a writer's round.

657
00:35:14,080 --> 00:35:16,640
Speaker 4: We played these songs and a bunch of people showed up. Yeah,

658
00:35:17,040 --> 00:35:18,799
Speaker 4: And at some point she said, Okay, now I want

659
00:35:18,840 --> 00:35:20,960
Speaker 4: you to come to Nashville. I want you to play

660
00:35:20,960 --> 00:35:24,840
Speaker 4: at the Bluebird Cafe. And I knew what the Bluebird Cafe,

661
00:35:26,040 --> 00:35:28,480
Speaker 4: and I was like done, and I bought a plane

662
00:35:28,480 --> 00:35:30,560
Speaker 4: ticket and so I'm already to go. It's on the calendar.

663
00:35:30,560 --> 00:35:33,160
Speaker 4: And then right before then I has always happened. I

664
00:35:33,160 --> 00:35:36,839
Speaker 4: got work, I got acting, and I had to do it.

665
00:35:36,880 --> 00:35:39,399
Speaker 4: So I canceled the ticket. And then a couple months

666
00:35:39,480 --> 00:35:41,480
Speaker 4: later I did it again, and I got work again,

667
00:35:43,120 --> 00:35:45,080
Speaker 4: and I literally say to my wife, when am I

668
00:35:45,120 --> 00:35:46,560
Speaker 4: ever going to get to go to Nashville. It's just

669
00:35:46,600 --> 00:35:50,360
Speaker 4: not going to happen, and be damn. I get the

670
00:35:50,400 --> 00:35:53,799
Speaker 4: script says Nashville. I auditioned over five times and I

671
00:35:53,920 --> 00:35:57,319
Speaker 4: get it. And my very first deacon scene was with

672
00:35:57,400 --> 00:35:59,840
Speaker 4: that guitar in the Bluebird Cafe.

673
00:36:00,480 --> 00:36:04,400
Speaker 2: Oh my God, with the great.

674
00:36:04,239 --> 00:36:08,120
Speaker 4: Pam Tillis singing harmonies with me and chairs at the

675
00:36:08,120 --> 00:36:12,120
Speaker 4: back of the room. Yeah, pulled low and a tear

676
00:36:12,239 --> 00:36:14,720
Speaker 4: going down her face at the sheer beauty of my song.

677
00:36:15,360 --> 00:36:20,160
Speaker 4: And I thought, what are you doing God? This is amazing.

678
00:36:20,320 --> 00:36:22,200
Speaker 4: This is amazing, And I've never stopped feeling that.

679
00:36:22,239 --> 00:36:24,759
Speaker 1: Yeah, oh my gosh, that's beautiful.

680
00:36:25,000 --> 00:36:27,880
Speaker 2: I feel like music has that you know, speaks to you.

681
00:36:27,960 --> 00:36:30,040
Speaker 2: Guys are still able to go on tour after the

682
00:36:30,040 --> 00:36:32,760
Speaker 2: show has been off for a number of years because

683
00:36:32,760 --> 00:36:35,400
Speaker 2: I feel like, and tell me if you feel this,

684
00:36:35,920 --> 00:36:39,200
Speaker 2: The music aspect of it, I think keeps the show

685
00:36:39,239 --> 00:36:42,520
Speaker 2: alive for so many people, especially in Nashville. How Nashville

686
00:36:42,600 --> 00:36:46,800
Speaker 2: uses music is beautiful. It's always organic. You're not breaking

687
00:36:46,840 --> 00:36:50,440
Speaker 2: into song walking down a street necessarily. It's always in

688
00:36:50,800 --> 00:36:52,799
Speaker 2: a real place where music would be heard, and it

689
00:36:52,880 --> 00:36:57,000
Speaker 2: yet and it still furthers the story in a way

690
00:36:57,040 --> 00:36:58,920
Speaker 2: that's not hitting you over the head with what's going on.

691
00:36:59,080 --> 00:37:03,600
Speaker 4: And I so agree, I actually would I've The first

692
00:37:03,600 --> 00:37:05,719
Speaker 4: thing I found out, I want to say is the

693
00:37:05,719 --> 00:37:07,839
Speaker 4: caliber of the music that we got to do that the.

694
00:37:07,760 --> 00:37:10,240
Speaker 2: Great t Bone absolutely excellent.

695
00:37:10,280 --> 00:37:12,640
Speaker 4: Peon Burnette. I don't know how many Grammys he has,

696
00:37:12,800 --> 00:37:16,440
Speaker 4: but his goal for our music, what he was aspiring

697
00:37:16,480 --> 00:37:19,440
Speaker 4: to was not to imitate country radio. He said he

698
00:37:19,640 --> 00:37:23,400
Speaker 4: was He's t Bone Burnette. He says he wanted to

699
00:37:23,400 --> 00:37:25,480
Speaker 4: be more than country radio. And we have a ton

700
00:37:25,520 --> 00:37:28,360
Speaker 4: of songs that would not be on country radio. Country

701
00:37:28,440 --> 00:37:30,799
Speaker 4: radio wouldn't always work in that moment. These songs are

702
00:37:30,800 --> 00:37:33,759
Speaker 4: incredibly residant. We didn't have a songwriting staff. Our songwriting

703
00:37:33,800 --> 00:37:38,359
Speaker 4: staff was Nashville and all the great writers, and they

704
00:37:38,400 --> 00:37:40,920
Speaker 4: all submitted these songs, and half of them were songs

705
00:37:40,920 --> 00:37:45,640
Speaker 4: that were just maybe a little too pure, a little

706
00:37:45,680 --> 00:37:48,359
Speaker 4: too amazing to be that next thing that you know

707
00:37:48,400 --> 00:37:51,359
Speaker 4: that the world listening to. But what I always found

708
00:37:51,440 --> 00:37:53,760
Speaker 4: that was really incredible was, first of all, as Deacon,

709
00:37:54,280 --> 00:37:58,160
Speaker 4: I played a guy that I'm not going to tell

710
00:37:58,200 --> 00:38:00,680
Speaker 4: you much. I'm not going to say that much. You

711
00:38:00,680 --> 00:38:02,840
Speaker 4: asked me some question I don't know, I don't know,

712
00:38:02,960 --> 00:38:06,880
Speaker 4: like this podcast would not be going well. But you

713
00:38:06,960 --> 00:38:10,959
Speaker 4: put them begun guitar and he'll tell you every single thing. Yeah. Yeah,

714
00:38:11,480 --> 00:38:13,799
Speaker 4: And so that was on that personal level, but it's

715
00:38:13,840 --> 00:38:17,160
Speaker 4: also on the scenic level. You've already seen, you guys

716
00:38:17,239 --> 00:38:19,640
Speaker 4: know how you can reach a certain point in a

717
00:38:19,719 --> 00:38:25,319
Speaker 4: scene where narratively or where verbally you've kind of said

718
00:38:25,320 --> 00:38:29,120
Speaker 4: all you can say. But I remember there's a scene

719
00:38:29,160 --> 00:38:31,759
Speaker 4: at the Bluebird Cafe, the first one where Deacon and

720
00:38:31,800 --> 00:38:34,960
Speaker 4: Reina who used to be together, and then she had to,

721
00:38:35,440 --> 00:38:37,640
Speaker 4: she had to separate for her own personal well being

722
00:38:37,760 --> 00:38:41,640
Speaker 4: and her child and all. And Deacon finally got clean,

723
00:38:41,680 --> 00:38:44,440
Speaker 4: but by then it was too late. She was with

724
00:38:44,600 --> 00:38:49,200
Speaker 4: Mayor Teddy. So they have kept this perfect little distance

725
00:38:49,239 --> 00:38:51,840
Speaker 4: where he's her guitar player, she's the least singer, and

726
00:38:51,880 --> 00:38:54,319
Speaker 4: they kept it right. And that's how that was. And

727
00:38:54,360 --> 00:38:57,279
Speaker 4: I think it's so beautiful that when what was the

728
00:38:57,320 --> 00:39:00,640
Speaker 4: catalyst that made that all fall apart? It was Deacon

729
00:39:00,719 --> 00:39:04,040
Speaker 4: playing the Bluebird and he invited Rain along and said,

730
00:39:04,040 --> 00:39:06,919
Speaker 4: will you sing one with me? Sure? And they sit

731
00:39:07,080 --> 00:39:09,040
Speaker 4: side by side and they sing no One will ever

732
00:39:09,120 --> 00:39:13,680
Speaker 4: Love You. And it's just they just got too close

733
00:39:13,719 --> 00:39:18,360
Speaker 4: to the fire. Because what music can do performance and

734
00:39:18,440 --> 00:39:23,080
Speaker 4: I think songwriting itself is very much like it's very intimate.

735
00:39:23,120 --> 00:39:27,080
Speaker 4: It's almost like these two people come together, go in

736
00:39:27,160 --> 00:39:30,359
Speaker 4: the room together, warm up, you get to know each other.

737
00:39:30,360 --> 00:39:33,040
Speaker 4: I'm not going to get graphic here, Yeah, but then

738
00:39:33,239 --> 00:39:38,160
Speaker 4: there's sort of this you conceive of something. Now when

739
00:39:38,200 --> 00:39:41,919
Speaker 4: you leave the room, there's this third thing that wasn't

740
00:39:41,960 --> 00:39:44,920
Speaker 4: that had not been there. And that third thing, this

741
00:39:44,920 --> 00:39:49,080
Speaker 4: this child, this song is that you birth can get

742
00:39:49,120 --> 00:39:50,680
Speaker 4: lost in the wind or it can go on to

743
00:39:50,760 --> 00:39:54,560
Speaker 4: rule the world and be you know, be like I

744
00:39:54,560 --> 00:39:58,680
Speaker 4: Will Always Love You by Dolly Partners. Yeah, just the

745
00:39:58,719 --> 00:40:01,480
Speaker 4: power of a song. And I've never forgotten that. There's

746
00:40:01,480 --> 00:40:03,520
Speaker 4: a few songs in Nashville. There's one called A Life

747
00:40:03,520 --> 00:40:07,160
Speaker 4: That's Good and that was written by Ashley Monroe and

748
00:40:07,200 --> 00:40:10,480
Speaker 4: Sarah Siskin and it's just so real and it's almost

749
00:40:10,560 --> 00:40:12,920
Speaker 4: like I finished pretty much every show with it, and

750
00:40:12,960 --> 00:40:16,279
Speaker 4: so does the Nashville cast because it's a little bit

751
00:40:16,360 --> 00:40:19,040
Speaker 4: like a prayer. It's just saying the whole show is

752
00:40:19,080 --> 00:40:21,520
Speaker 4: about everybody's trying to get this fame, get that money,

753
00:40:21,560 --> 00:40:23,319
Speaker 4: and get that you know, we know that, we're all

754
00:40:23,400 --> 00:40:25,560
Speaker 4: trying to get that next job, get that next get

755
00:40:25,600 --> 00:40:29,959
Speaker 4: that get those more followers. And A Life that's Good

756
00:40:30,080 --> 00:40:32,280
Speaker 4: just talks about you only need a handful of things

757
00:40:32,280 --> 00:40:34,880
Speaker 4: to have a life that's good. And the chorus and

758
00:40:34,920 --> 00:40:38,480
Speaker 4: I sang this on a TV show two arms around me,

759
00:40:38,880 --> 00:40:41,800
Speaker 4: heaven to ground me, and a family that always calls

760
00:40:41,840 --> 00:40:46,000
Speaker 4: me home, four wheels to get there, enough love to share,

761
00:40:46,520 --> 00:40:49,399
Speaker 4: and a sweet, sweet song. At the end of the day, Lord,

762
00:40:49,480 --> 00:40:53,400
Speaker 4: I pray I have a life that's good, that's that

763
00:40:53,560 --> 00:40:55,919
Speaker 4: just resonates with me. Wow.

764
00:40:56,080 --> 00:41:00,000
Speaker 2: I think that's also why country music was the perfect

765
00:41:00,280 --> 00:41:04,440
Speaker 2: genre of music to have a musical TV show because

766
00:41:04,960 --> 00:41:07,560
Speaker 2: watching it, watching that pilot, I was like, of course,

767
00:41:08,560 --> 00:41:09,720
Speaker 2: of course.

768
00:41:10,360 --> 00:41:12,640
Speaker 4: Just literally saying the thing to her without saying the

769
00:41:12,680 --> 00:41:13,080
Speaker 4: thing to her.

770
00:41:13,120 --> 00:41:15,759
Speaker 2: But yes, because how you were talking about, like your

771
00:41:15,760 --> 00:41:18,400
Speaker 2: songwriting country I feel like at its best, and it

772
00:41:18,400 --> 00:41:20,520
Speaker 2: can be done in a number of like subgenres. But

773
00:41:20,680 --> 00:41:23,800
Speaker 2: you also get, just in that pilot alone, your testament

774
00:41:23,840 --> 00:41:26,759
Speaker 2: to the different styles of writing. Yes, the level of

775
00:41:26,760 --> 00:41:32,799
Speaker 2: writing and the show, but country music can affect you

776
00:41:32,840 --> 00:41:38,040
Speaker 2: so quickly and easily because it's a way of distilling

777
00:41:38,160 --> 00:41:42,800
Speaker 2: complex emotions in a simple way that that just cuts

778
00:41:42,800 --> 00:41:45,640
Speaker 2: through I think easier and quicker than most other musical genres.

779
00:41:45,680 --> 00:41:47,400
Speaker 4: They old praise three chords in the truth.

780
00:41:47,880 --> 00:41:48,440
Speaker 2: There you go.

781
00:41:48,800 --> 00:41:53,120
Speaker 7: That's what I was trying to say perfectly from that

782
00:41:53,120 --> 00:41:57,120
Speaker 7: that side of it, And no, I absolutely feel that way,

783
00:41:57,160 --> 00:42:01,240
Speaker 7: and it was it was something to see just getting

784
00:42:01,239 --> 00:42:01,960
Speaker 7: these songs.

785
00:42:01,760 --> 00:42:03,680
Speaker 4: Getting an email of this song going you're going to

786
00:42:03,719 --> 00:42:08,320
Speaker 4: be singing this and about week yeah, and also getting

787
00:42:08,320 --> 00:42:10,520
Speaker 4: to see the other people like can you imagine when

788
00:42:10,520 --> 00:42:13,960
Speaker 4: I first heard Lennon and Mazie singing on the set

789
00:42:16,640 --> 00:42:18,480
Speaker 4: or you know what. There's a scene at the very

790
00:42:18,560 --> 00:42:23,560
Speaker 4: end of the pilot where Waddie White played by the

791
00:42:23,560 --> 00:42:26,279
Speaker 4: great J. D. Salther, is that the Bluebird and he's

792
00:42:26,680 --> 00:42:30,600
Speaker 4: Claire and Sam yes, and he says, listen to this

793
00:42:31,040 --> 00:42:33,120
Speaker 4: and he holds up and she's somewhere else. But you

794
00:42:34,560 --> 00:42:36,480
Speaker 4: know how it is when you shoot a show, everybody

795
00:42:36,480 --> 00:42:39,000
Speaker 4: thinks we see everything. We don't hang out on the set.

796
00:42:39,680 --> 00:42:42,400
Speaker 4: I stopped, felt really good with Connie. It felt great

797
00:42:42,400 --> 00:42:45,040
Speaker 4: at The Bluebird. But then I watched like you guys

798
00:42:45,080 --> 00:42:47,640
Speaker 4: did on the on that night, and when that came on,

799
00:42:47,680 --> 00:42:52,840
Speaker 4: I go, wow, what Yeah, you know, I've never understood

800
00:42:52,840 --> 00:42:57,160
Speaker 4: competitive shows like your story. This person competes I always.

801
00:42:57,280 --> 00:43:00,799
Speaker 4: I just wanted them to freaking shine, because yes, and

802
00:43:00,840 --> 00:43:01,600
Speaker 4: they did.

803
00:43:01,719 --> 00:43:02,920
Speaker 2: And they did absolutely.

804
00:43:03,160 --> 00:43:03,399
Speaker 1: Yeah.

805
00:43:03,480 --> 00:43:03,640
Speaker 2: Yeah.

806
00:43:03,719 --> 00:43:04,040
Speaker 7: Yeah.

807
00:43:04,239 --> 00:43:05,600
Speaker 4: Two of the things real quick, I want to say.

808
00:43:05,640 --> 00:43:08,960
Speaker 4: Number one, another show is interesting. I was my buddies

809
00:43:08,960 --> 00:43:12,239
Speaker 4: at Out of Banks. Jonas Pate, especially creator of a

810
00:43:12,239 --> 00:43:15,360
Speaker 4: show that's on Amazon now called The run Arounds, and

811
00:43:15,560 --> 00:43:18,240
Speaker 4: that's about a young high school band that is making

812
00:43:18,760 --> 00:43:22,400
Speaker 4: their way and it's crazy because these guys are so

813
00:43:22,520 --> 00:43:27,839
Speaker 4: incredibly talented. They the band is writing all yeah, and

814
00:43:28,000 --> 00:43:32,160
Speaker 4: they're performing them live right there. So yeah.

815
00:43:32,200 --> 00:43:34,319
Speaker 2: I discovered them a couple of weeks ago because as

816
00:43:34,480 --> 00:43:37,120
Speaker 2: a band I thought they were I was like, wait,

817
00:43:37,200 --> 00:43:40,120
Speaker 2: it's a TV show. They're from a TV show, but

818
00:43:40,160 --> 00:43:42,560
Speaker 2: they're also just like operating as a normal band outside

819
00:43:42,560 --> 00:43:43,400
Speaker 2: of the show totally.

820
00:43:43,440 --> 00:43:45,960
Speaker 4: I mean, yeah, it's really really impressive, and so they're

821
00:43:46,000 --> 00:43:47,879
Speaker 4: doing it again. They actually had me come in and

822
00:43:48,120 --> 00:43:50,279
Speaker 4: do a little consulting in the writer's room as the

823
00:43:50,280 --> 00:43:51,799
Speaker 4: guy that was on the show with the music and on.

824
00:43:51,920 --> 00:43:54,319
Speaker 4: That was the real lot of fun and I got

825
00:43:54,360 --> 00:43:56,279
Speaker 4: to be really impressed by them. But you want to

826
00:43:56,280 --> 00:43:58,160
Speaker 4: go back to some people, what the heck was that about?

827
00:43:58,200 --> 00:44:02,320
Speaker 4: Was the Guinness World I just want to tell you

828
00:44:02,360 --> 00:44:02,919
Speaker 4: that real quick.

829
00:44:03,600 --> 00:44:04,000
Speaker 2: Please.

830
00:44:04,520 --> 00:44:08,680
Speaker 4: I'm somebody that doesn't you know. There's a line in

831
00:44:08,719 --> 00:44:11,279
Speaker 4: a life that's good. It says, sometimes I'm hard on

832
00:44:11,360 --> 00:44:14,960
Speaker 4: me when dreams don't come easy. I want to look

833
00:44:15,000 --> 00:44:18,239
Speaker 4: back and say I did all that I could at

834
00:44:18,280 --> 00:44:20,439
Speaker 4: the end of the day. Lord, I pray I don't

835
00:44:20,440 --> 00:44:23,000
Speaker 4: know about you guys. I have that if I look

836
00:44:23,080 --> 00:44:25,880
Speaker 4: back and say I did all that I could, I

837
00:44:25,880 --> 00:44:28,440
Speaker 4: can be hurt by how it all came out. But

838
00:44:28,480 --> 00:44:29,839
Speaker 4: I won't. It won't eat me up.

839
00:44:29,920 --> 00:44:32,319
Speaker 2: Now, you tried, right, If you.

840
00:44:32,400 --> 00:44:35,280
Speaker 4: Didn't work hard enough for that audition, if you didn't,

841
00:44:35,400 --> 00:44:36,880
Speaker 4: if you're on that show and you know you just

842
00:44:36,880 --> 00:44:40,560
Speaker 4: didn't bring it that, that's a long time to live

843
00:44:40,600 --> 00:44:44,440
Speaker 4: with that. So I started around twenty twelve on Nashville.

844
00:44:44,440 --> 00:44:47,279
Speaker 4: Around twenty sixteen, I realized that I had released like

845
00:44:48,239 --> 00:44:53,800
Speaker 4: two songs. I've been writing all this music, and I said,

846
00:44:54,239 --> 00:44:56,640
Speaker 4: I have no idea if this thing's going to last.

847
00:44:56,680 --> 00:44:59,440
Speaker 4: I might be back in alve next year, and I'm

848
00:44:59,440 --> 00:45:01,800
Speaker 4: going to I can go. You lived in music city

849
00:45:01,840 --> 00:45:05,160
Speaker 4: for four years, had access to every great songwriter, yeah,

850
00:45:05,360 --> 00:45:08,640
Speaker 4: great producers, great players, and that's all you did. So

851
00:45:08,719 --> 00:45:13,200
Speaker 4: I said, ah, And so I created a little bit

852
00:45:13,200 --> 00:45:15,120
Speaker 4: of a deadline machine. I went out. I remember I

853
00:45:15,120 --> 00:45:17,880
Speaker 4: stood in a little stream near my house and I said,

854
00:45:18,400 --> 00:45:20,360
Speaker 4: he everybody, I just want to let you know that

855
00:45:20,640 --> 00:45:25,560
Speaker 4: I am going putting out a brand new single every

856
00:45:25,680 --> 00:45:33,560
Speaker 4: Friday until that's stupid and crazy. So I and I

857
00:45:33,600 --> 00:45:37,880
Speaker 4: called it every single Friday. At it well, and I

858
00:45:37,960 --> 00:45:41,400
Speaker 4: completely blew through that deadline. When it was stupid, I

859
00:45:41,440 --> 00:45:44,520
Speaker 4: went right through. I thought maybe I'd get twenty songs

860
00:45:44,960 --> 00:45:48,520
Speaker 4: but by the time I finished, it was fifty four

861
00:45:51,040 --> 00:45:54,319
Speaker 4: one for fifty four weeks on spot You can go

862
00:45:54,360 --> 00:45:57,160
Speaker 4: on Spotify or Apple and see it's every single Charles

863
00:45:57,280 --> 00:45:59,200
Speaker 4: Sen every single Friday project.

864
00:46:00,080 --> 00:46:01,800
Speaker 1: And what a cool project.

865
00:46:02,160 --> 00:46:04,120
Speaker 4: Oh man. That remember what I said about being on

866
00:46:04,160 --> 00:46:08,799
Speaker 4: stage with Buddy. That was my masters in songwriting and

867
00:46:08,800 --> 00:46:12,440
Speaker 4: my masterduction and I learned so much. That was my

868
00:46:12,520 --> 00:46:13,480
Speaker 4: ten thousand hours.

869
00:46:13,640 --> 00:46:15,000
Speaker 1: That's literally what I was going to say.

870
00:46:15,040 --> 00:46:19,360
Speaker 4: That's right, yeah, And so I only bring it up

871
00:46:19,400 --> 00:46:21,400
Speaker 4: because you meant because you did mention it, and to

872
00:46:21,440 --> 00:46:23,799
Speaker 4: say that there was one more of those things where

873
00:46:23,840 --> 00:46:26,319
Speaker 4: then I felt like, Okay, now I can never say

874
00:46:26,360 --> 00:46:30,959
Speaker 4: I didn't do all that's damn sure. But it's funny

875
00:46:31,000 --> 00:46:33,160
Speaker 4: because I was definitely one of I'm an old guy.

876
00:46:33,200 --> 00:46:35,400
Speaker 4: So I was one of those kids who, growing up

877
00:46:35,440 --> 00:46:38,200
Speaker 4: in like the eighties, had the Guinness Book of World

878
00:46:38,239 --> 00:46:41,200
Speaker 4: Records a paperback. I would walk around with it.

879
00:46:41,400 --> 00:46:42,120
Speaker 2: Yeah right.

880
00:46:42,280 --> 00:46:43,759
Speaker 4: It was like I was always trying to figure out

881
00:46:43,760 --> 00:46:45,600
Speaker 4: how many times I'd have to hop on a pogo

882
00:46:45,680 --> 00:46:48,480
Speaker 4: stick or how many gone I'd have to fit in

883
00:46:48,560 --> 00:46:51,359
Speaker 4: my mouth, And in the end, I just did this

884
00:46:51,440 --> 00:46:54,839
Speaker 4: thing that I desperately loved and went for it whole hog.

885
00:46:55,040 --> 00:46:57,080
Speaker 4: And I was on the Today Show, I think, and

886
00:46:57,520 --> 00:47:00,399
Speaker 4: the Guinness people came by and said, yeah, he's ever

887
00:47:00,440 --> 00:47:00,719
Speaker 4: done that?

888
00:47:01,760 --> 00:47:03,560
Speaker 2: Wow, that's incredible.

889
00:47:04,440 --> 00:47:08,120
Speaker 3: Well, we ask everybody who comes on the show in

890
00:47:08,160 --> 00:47:10,520
Speaker 3: our Glear era, what is the feeling that Lee leaves

891
00:47:10,520 --> 00:47:12,920
Speaker 3: you with? So if you remiss to ask, what is

892
00:47:12,960 --> 00:47:14,960
Speaker 3: the feeling that Nashville leaves you with?

893
00:47:17,000 --> 00:47:23,080
Speaker 4: Man, you know what's great about that guitar is it's

894
00:47:24,320 --> 00:47:30,319
Speaker 4: it's got a really rich, warm, deep tone. And those

895
00:47:30,360 --> 00:47:33,880
Speaker 4: are the words that come to my mind. Nashville itself.

896
00:47:34,360 --> 00:47:38,040
Speaker 4: It's so rich, it was so warm. The people we

897
00:47:38,160 --> 00:47:40,600
Speaker 4: all got along is so great, and it was so deep.

898
00:47:41,239 --> 00:47:46,160
Speaker 4: It touches people still, people because I played this guy, Deacon.

899
00:47:47,000 --> 00:47:49,919
Speaker 4: Deacon went through a lot. Deacon was a walking country song.

900
00:47:50,320 --> 00:47:52,919
Speaker 4: You know, he lost his woman, yet he drank too much.

901
00:47:53,960 --> 00:47:59,319
Speaker 4: You know, he was sick himself. And what I found

902
00:47:59,440 --> 00:48:02,719
Speaker 4: is there those were touch points for people. So over

903
00:48:02,760 --> 00:48:04,400
Speaker 4: the years since people come up to me and go,

904
00:48:04,480 --> 00:48:06,080
Speaker 4: I love that show, and go and you know, my

905
00:48:06,160 --> 00:48:10,640
Speaker 4: dad he was an alcoholic too, and and so I

906
00:48:10,719 --> 00:48:12,880
Speaker 4: recognized what Deacon went through and it made me feel

907
00:48:12,880 --> 00:48:15,440
Speaker 4: for my dad a little bit. There's little things that

908
00:48:15,520 --> 00:48:19,840
Speaker 4: based on that you don't know, you know atching to it,

909
00:48:19,960 --> 00:48:22,800
Speaker 4: so I was, that's it rich and warm.

910
00:48:23,000 --> 00:48:28,680
Speaker 2: Indeed, I feel like we could talk to you for hours,

911
00:48:28,880 --> 00:48:32,959
Speaker 2: and you are such a good storyteller, and it's also

912
00:48:33,000 --> 00:48:34,799
Speaker 2: so nice to talk to somebody else. I can't believe

913
00:48:34,800 --> 00:48:37,600
Speaker 2: there hasn't been any more Glee like Nashville Crossover because

914
00:48:37,600 --> 00:48:41,120
Speaker 2: it's such a specific experience and a musical TV show

915
00:48:42,080 --> 00:48:44,000
Speaker 2: and I know we speak that same language.

916
00:48:44,280 --> 00:48:47,839
Speaker 4: Having there must have been something for you guys too,

917
00:48:47,960 --> 00:48:51,880
Speaker 4: I mean, because there was nothing remotely like it, so

918
00:48:52,160 --> 00:48:54,759
Speaker 4: like you had, nobody had quite gone before. I mean,

919
00:48:54,800 --> 00:48:56,000
Speaker 4: cop Rock had been.

920
00:48:55,880 --> 00:48:57,759
Speaker 2: Like exactly a long time.

921
00:48:58,440 --> 00:49:01,759
Speaker 4: It really wasn't this. Yeah, And that's and once again

922
00:49:01,800 --> 00:49:04,560
Speaker 4: the other thing, like you say, casting, that's just don't

923
00:49:04,600 --> 00:49:07,600
Speaker 4: much have it when you go people, it's it's not

924
00:49:07,640 --> 00:49:09,239
Speaker 4: that easy to go, hey, here's the show, here's what

925
00:49:09,239 --> 00:49:10,440
Speaker 4: we're going to do, not cast it.

926
00:49:11,680 --> 00:49:14,880
Speaker 2: Yeah, that's right. But hearing your stories makes me feel

927
00:49:15,000 --> 00:49:17,880
Speaker 2: warm because it reminds me and I'm sure Jenna feels

928
00:49:17,880 --> 00:49:22,360
Speaker 2: the same way. That just reminds me of our Glee family.

929
00:49:22,719 --> 00:49:26,560
Speaker 2: And I love that you know, that experience was that

930
00:49:26,600 --> 00:49:29,800
Speaker 2: for all of you and because it's such a special

931
00:49:29,800 --> 00:49:32,920
Speaker 2: thing to be a part of a show that probably

932
00:49:32,960 --> 00:49:36,759
Speaker 2: shouldn't work. Musicals on TV just hadn't really worked. And

933
00:49:36,760 --> 00:49:38,520
Speaker 2: when you get to do it in a way that

934
00:49:38,719 --> 00:49:40,640
Speaker 2: is touching so many lives, it's more than you could

935
00:49:40,640 --> 00:49:43,759
Speaker 2: ever wish for getting a job right like on a

936
00:49:43,800 --> 00:49:46,160
Speaker 2: TV show, it's touching people, like you said, And so

937
00:49:46,280 --> 00:49:46,680
Speaker 2: I'm just.

938
00:49:48,440 --> 00:49:52,799
Speaker 4: Not that there's not struggles either, not bec there's sometimes

939
00:49:52,800 --> 00:49:56,719
Speaker 4: this between people feeling things and wanting to bring it

940
00:49:56,760 --> 00:49:57,360
Speaker 4: across and no.

941
00:49:57,520 --> 00:49:59,439
Speaker 2: But your family and you get into it.

942
00:49:59,600 --> 00:50:05,320
Speaker 4: And even with the network like network probably always wanted

943
00:50:05,360 --> 00:50:10,320
Speaker 4: a little bit more of a uh something uh scandal

944
00:50:10,440 --> 00:50:13,920
Speaker 4: or something away with murder, or about the ambition of

945
00:50:13,960 --> 00:50:17,920
Speaker 4: it all and about the crazy storylines that you need

946
00:50:17,920 --> 00:50:20,880
Speaker 4: to bring to bring that next pow pow. But I

947
00:50:20,880 --> 00:50:23,400
Speaker 4: think it's funny thing is we did six seasons that

948
00:50:23,480 --> 00:50:26,880
Speaker 4: and crazy things happen as they do in town, but

949
00:50:26,960 --> 00:50:32,520
Speaker 4: nobody remembers them. Everybody remembers the little moments between Gunner

950
00:50:32,600 --> 00:50:36,560
Speaker 4: and in Scarlett, or between a Starlett and Deacon, or

951
00:50:36,560 --> 00:50:40,439
Speaker 4: between Deacon and Maddie his daughters. It's the pressure, little

952
00:50:40,480 --> 00:50:43,719
Speaker 4: truthful moments that you got it it's almost like you

953
00:50:43,719 --> 00:50:48,000
Speaker 4: have to pay for them with this vision. I mean,

954
00:50:48,000 --> 00:50:51,000
Speaker 4: what's the classic thing with the famous actors. They say

955
00:50:51,000 --> 00:50:55,239
Speaker 4: one for them, one for me. Right, It's almost like

956
00:50:55,239 --> 00:50:57,560
Speaker 4: there are scenes you feel sometimes like, Okay, this is

957
00:50:57,600 --> 00:50:58,280
Speaker 4: this is from.

958
00:50:58,680 --> 00:51:01,880
Speaker 2: That's exactly right, Yeah, exactly right.

959
00:51:01,719 --> 00:51:03,000
Speaker 1: You get it, you get it.

960
00:51:04,160 --> 00:51:04,359
Speaker 4: Well.

961
00:51:04,400 --> 00:51:05,320
Speaker 1: We are so grateful.

962
00:51:05,440 --> 00:51:08,000
Speaker 3: Thank you so much for taking the time to come

963
00:51:08,040 --> 00:51:10,440
Speaker 3: and chat with us. It's really wonderful and we are

964
00:51:10,480 --> 00:51:13,319
Speaker 3: just so in all of your body of work, but

965
00:51:13,360 --> 00:51:15,840
Speaker 3: also just like the approach you take to life, and

966
00:51:15,920 --> 00:51:19,400
Speaker 3: that really speaks to your career and what you've accomplished

967
00:51:19,440 --> 00:51:21,000
Speaker 3: and what you'll continue to accomplish.

968
00:51:21,000 --> 00:51:23,680
Speaker 4: So thank you so much, incredibly kind, and you guys

969
00:51:23,719 --> 00:51:25,799
Speaker 4: are great at this. I can see why you're doing this,

970
00:51:25,880 --> 00:51:28,880
Speaker 4: and we're all very much that you turned your gaze

971
00:51:28,920 --> 00:51:31,440
Speaker 4: over to Nashville and you know it.

972
00:51:31,560 --> 00:51:34,080
Speaker 2: Oh, I'm so happy. We have to stop ourselves from

973
00:51:34,120 --> 00:51:37,799
Speaker 2: just being in Nashville show because look, I will tell you,

974
00:51:37,880 --> 00:51:40,400
Speaker 2: I grew up in Texas. I didn't love country music.

975
00:51:40,480 --> 00:51:42,759
Speaker 2: I was sort of probably because I was around all

976
00:51:42,800 --> 00:51:47,279
Speaker 2: the time. I was like anti country music, and I

977
00:51:47,280 --> 00:51:49,680
Speaker 2: don't know. By the end of that pilot I was like,

978
00:51:51,640 --> 00:51:56,080
Speaker 2: of course, of course, obviously. Yeah, but by the end

979
00:51:56,120 --> 00:51:57,719
Speaker 2: of that pilot, I was like, I am in.

980
00:52:00,000 --> 00:52:02,319
Speaker 4: I didn't like country music before, and I mean, that's

981
00:52:02,320 --> 00:52:03,759
Speaker 4: about the kindest thing you could ever get.

982
00:52:03,840 --> 00:52:08,280
Speaker 2: Yeah, that's the biggest comment. Exactly right, exactly, Yeah, contact

983
00:52:08,520 --> 00:52:09,520
Speaker 2: after forty minutes.

984
00:52:10,480 --> 00:52:11,319
Speaker 1: Thank you so much.

985
00:52:11,360 --> 00:52:13,279
Speaker 2: Thank you for to see you on tour.

986
00:52:14,000 --> 00:52:17,040
Speaker 4: No, that'd be fantastic. Yeah, well we come to the

987
00:52:17,120 --> 00:52:19,520
Speaker 4: rhyme and that's in January, and otherwise coming over to

988
00:52:19,520 --> 00:52:19,919
Speaker 4: the UK.

989
00:52:20,239 --> 00:52:23,959
Speaker 2: Amazing. Oh great, we'll make to see you in person soon.

990
00:52:24,920 --> 00:52:26,600
Speaker 2: Thank you for your reach out.

991
00:52:26,640 --> 00:52:28,080
Speaker 4: If you guys come to Nashville.

992
00:52:27,760 --> 00:52:29,800
Speaker 2: Seriously, definitely, definitely.

993
00:52:31,000 --> 00:52:31,320
Speaker 4: Please.

994
00:52:31,360 --> 00:52:32,960
Speaker 2: I've never been. I want to come there.

995
00:52:33,320 --> 00:52:35,640
Speaker 4: Bro. Yeah yea, well you've seen the places we shot

996
00:52:35,680 --> 00:52:38,560
Speaker 4: in him, so it'll be good. All right.

997
00:52:38,600 --> 00:52:44,000
Speaker 2: Thanks, thank you so much, worse, thank you. What a man,

998
00:52:44,400 --> 00:52:49,440
Speaker 2: what a man, gosh, I mean, just insane.

999
00:52:49,680 --> 00:52:55,960
Speaker 3: We have him back, so kind, so talented, so just

1000
00:52:56,000 --> 00:52:59,719
Speaker 3: a good all around human I mean. And also we

1001
00:52:59,800 --> 00:53:03,319
Speaker 3: love Nashville. Kevin loves Nashville. Now let it let it

1002
00:53:03,320 --> 00:53:03,600
Speaker 3: be known.

1003
00:53:04,080 --> 00:53:06,720
Speaker 2: The record show. And also this is why you get hired.

1004
00:53:07,080 --> 00:53:09,120
Speaker 2: He's so kind, so thoughtful.

1005
00:53:09,280 --> 00:53:13,359
Speaker 3: Yeah, well, I hope you guys enjoyed that conversation. Thank

1006
00:53:13,360 --> 00:53:15,520
Speaker 3: you so much to Charles for joining us and chatting

1007
00:53:15,600 --> 00:53:19,840
Speaker 3: all about his amazing life experience and his career in Nashville.

1008
00:53:19,920 --> 00:53:21,359
Speaker 3: I hope you guys enjoyed that.

1009
00:53:21,760 --> 00:53:24,480
Speaker 2: And go watch Nashville on Netflix. Go see them on

1010
00:53:24,520 --> 00:53:27,600
Speaker 2: tour starting in January. Yeah, yeah, and that's what you

1011
00:53:27,680 --> 00:53:31,160
Speaker 2: really miss Thanks for listening, and follow us on Instagram

1012
00:53:31,440 --> 00:53:33,839
Speaker 2: at and that's what you really miss pod. Make sure

1013
00:53:33,840 --> 00:53:36,000
Speaker 2: to write us a review and leave us five stars.

1014
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Speaker 2: See you next time.