Speaker 1: Look mad oh, I see you? Why why? And look
Speaker 1: over there? How is that culture? Yes? Goodness ding dong
Speaker 1: lost culture? How's it coming? It's going okay, just okay.
Speaker 1: I had a really disorienting experience today. It was it
Speaker 1: was mostly good. I hate when you're disoriented. Please tell
Speaker 1: me everything. It's not that I'm disoriented. Maybe that's that's
Speaker 1: not the right word. I you were at one point.
Speaker 1: I shot a quick thing today on a set and
Speaker 1: it was very like, very controlled environment, very very safe.
Speaker 1: At this point, best practices are being sort of established
Speaker 1: throughout the industry. Thank you industry, and thank you, thank
Speaker 1: you industry, and um, you know, I caught myself thinking,
Speaker 1: it feels really nice, but it also is bizarre and weird.
Speaker 1: It's just weird. How much is is different and how
Speaker 1: much is also the same. It's you're gonna get used
Speaker 1: to it. Well, it was just a one off thing. Oh,
Speaker 1: it's just a one off thing. Well, now, in going
Speaker 1: forward into the future, when you shoot more things in
Speaker 1: this what we're calling the great After now that I've
Speaker 1: heard Josh Sharpe say it, there was a great before
Speaker 1: and now we're looking forward to the great after and
Speaker 1: whatever the great after presents. Um, we're gonna try to
Speaker 1: do our best. Then we'll be feeling better and better
Speaker 1: about it. That's right, And it was encouraging to talk
Speaker 1: to a lot of production staff. It was a very
Speaker 1: skeleton crewey situation. But it seems like the people who
Speaker 1: are working or are getting jobs, and I pray that
Speaker 1: the people who are not working right now will also
Speaker 1: get jobs because it seems like things are opening back
Speaker 1: up in terms of again the industry, things are sort
Speaker 1: of picking back up, um, in terms of like you know,
Speaker 1: the p A jobs and the and the production jobs
Speaker 1: and the other things. Well, speaking of big productions, are
Speaker 1: you so excited for the big d n C this week.
Speaker 1: I'm so excited for the big d NC virtual event.
Speaker 1: Now it's gonna be it's gonna be an just saying
Speaker 1: we'll see it's at best and we're gonna get through it.
Speaker 1: Just get through all of it. I can't believe some
Speaker 1: of the speakers. I'm not even paying attention to some
Speaker 1: of the speakers. I'm just I can't believe. They've front
Speaker 1: loaded Bernie on Monday, So we're recording this on Monday night.
Speaker 1: We haven't seen Bernie's speech yet, but I'm like, that's like,
Speaker 1: you save that for if you want to like unify
Speaker 1: the party or whatever. You save that for, you give
Speaker 1: Bernie a better spot. I'm just gonna go ahead and
Speaker 1: say they don't know what they're doing, but they do.
Speaker 1: And I just want to say I think this, I
Speaker 1: was gonna do my I don't think so honey on this,
Speaker 1: but I just want to say it right up top.
Speaker 1: Why the fuck is there still such an emphasis on
Speaker 1: Bill Clinton? It's it's wait, how involved is he in
Speaker 1: the I mean, he's getting get a big speech, and
Speaker 1: I get that he's like a living president, but girl,
Speaker 1: like tap into any part of like like what has
Speaker 1: gone down in the last two years, how about six months?
Speaker 1: How about a couple months, and just understand that he
Speaker 1: is not the voice that we need to be hearing
Speaker 1: right now. Meanwhile, they're giving AOC sixty seconds, a quick minute.
Speaker 1: She's gonna go up there and do it. I don't
Speaker 1: think so, honey. I didn't know about this minute. Oh
Speaker 1: my god, that's heinous. This is what she said on
Speaker 1: her own Twitter was that they gave her sixty seconds,
Speaker 1: which translates to one world minute. Billie Eilish is gonna
Speaker 1: sing my future for like seven long minutes or something
Speaker 1: like she's getting Billyish is getting seven hard minutes. AOC
Speaker 1: is getting one soft minute wuintuple AOC's time. That's why
Speaker 1: you know Bill Clinton because it hit in his long
Speaker 1: winded asks are going to minutes. I can't deal with this.
Speaker 1: I mean, this whole thing is giving me more anxiety
Speaker 1: than Uncut Gems. It's like I can't even girl, which
Speaker 1: is saying some of some of thing I gotta say
Speaker 1: because it's on all these four films are Netflix. Now.
Speaker 1: I watched on Cut Gems the other night, and it's
Speaker 1: just like, it wasn't that bad. I'm just like, I like,
Speaker 1: my life experience has been more anxiety inducing than this movie.
Speaker 1: Not not. That's not to say that it's like not
Speaker 1: at you know what Uncut Gems should have been your
Speaker 1: life experience. That was my biggest problem with it. It It
Speaker 1: is like, I like Uncut I'm just kidding. I did
Speaker 1: I actually think it was straight white bullshit? And I
Speaker 1: was like, no, it really was. I didn't like it
Speaker 1: at all. And also, to be honest with you, God
Speaker 1: bless Adam Sandler, but he is kind of the king
Speaker 1: of like I'm a straight wide anxious man. And it's like, okay,
Speaker 1: because I also tried to watch Punch Drunk Love, and
Speaker 1: I'm like, why am I having a heart attack? Stop it?
Speaker 1: I was gonna have a heart attack. I kept watching that.
Speaker 1: Kevin Garnett in the Weekend, We're amazing. I love that
Speaker 1: it was just a lot of non actors in the film.
Speaker 1: We can talk about this thing. I mean, you know,
Speaker 1: I famously watched uncut Gems and fast forward to the
Speaker 1: Adina Menzel parts. Her playing full on like Guma trash,
Speaker 1: like poor Adina. She deserves better. She deserves better than
Speaker 1: be like what the fund you've been now? The kids
Speaker 1: are yeah, but you know, so she gets a really
Speaker 1: good scene and she's where she's in her Jesus Christ
Speaker 1: the button mits of a dress. Yeah, I fell out.
Speaker 1: That's actually a really culture number fifty when came in
Speaker 1: and I fell She was famously in abought mitzvah dress. Um.
Speaker 1: That wasn That was a good scene and she got
Speaker 1: a good moment. And also Adida Minzelle has gotten a lot. Okay,
Speaker 1: she's a part of three cultural institutions, right, that's true.
Speaker 1: That's true. That's being rent frozen and cut gems. What's
Speaker 1: the third one? Now? Oh wait, she's definitely a part
Speaker 1: of three Wicked. Now. Adida's career has sort of like
Speaker 1: oh my god, headlines, headlines, lost culturis. That's two fags
Speaker 1: forget Wicked. M posted up. Speaking of cultural institutions, I
Speaker 1: mean speaking of we have we have one in our
Speaker 1: midst today this week on the show, Um, this rise
Speaker 1: is very fun to watch. It's so perfect, it's so satisfying,
Speaker 1: it's so deserved. We gotta say, um what, let's see
Speaker 1: what are the credits. She's a writer for Jesus and Marrow. Um.
Speaker 1: She was the host of her show Baited with z
Speaker 1: Way on it was that, well, let's talk about the
Speaker 1: existential sort of like the transition to I G because
Speaker 1: I feel like it's it's sort of existentially a different
Speaker 1: thing perhaps, And I want to get her take on this.
Speaker 1: And she's probably talked about this already, but um, also
Speaker 1: she's she's just released a beautiful album, Generation z Way
Speaker 1: filled with bobs and hits. One of varieties Ten comics
Speaker 1: to Watch, Varieties ten Comics to Watch. She would have
Speaker 1: performed in a dusty old theater in Montreal in July
Speaker 1: if this was any one year. It's also so funny
Speaker 1: whenever they're like, um varieties comics to watch and we've
Speaker 1: been watching them all since, like seen. But anyway, happy
Speaker 1: they're getting shine now three years later. Um, I'm so
Speaker 1: happy for her. I'm happy that that was a good
Speaker 1: list this year. I gotta great list. They did. They
Speaker 1: did well. People, Dwayne, Um, you had Meg's Dalter, you
Speaker 1: had you had Miss Sarah Cooper, you had so many,
Speaker 1: so many wonderful people and the wonderful current iteration of
Speaker 1: our show on Instagram live and then posted up on
Speaker 1: i G t V in the intervening and in the
Speaker 1: following our subsequent hours of each airing on Thursdays at
Speaker 1: pm on on on i G Live. Matt, you and
Speaker 1: I made the grave mistake of programming ourselves against her
Speaker 1: show last week. Didn't waste. It's true. It was a
Speaker 1: total accident. But and it wasn't us programming, And it
Speaker 1: was the slab we were off. There was the slot
Speaker 1: we were on, which is important to say. Um, it
Speaker 1: wasn't a But I will also say competition is good
Speaker 1: in the market because it created a rising tide, you
Speaker 1: know what I mean. We're talking about the market in
Speaker 1: very capitalist terms. That's wonderful. As I always talked about it,
Speaker 1: as we always talk about it. We're both neoliberal Fox,
Speaker 1: We're not. Please join, Please stay after the show. We're
Speaker 1: doing an after show called cat Less terms. We're just
Speaker 1: that's going to be a two hour thing where we
Speaker 1: just do all that. Um. But wow, this is so
Speaker 1: fun um to have her here on Last Cultures. Thus
Speaker 1: and it is about damn time, I would say, And
Speaker 1: I have to say, I am a veteran of bated
Speaker 1: and it was a YouTube show, and I have I'm
Speaker 1: going to start things off with an apology as soon
Speaker 1: as we introduce our guests. I can't wait to hear
Speaker 1: this one. Everyone, Please welcome into your ears. Z Oh
Speaker 1: my gosh, thank you for having me. That was a
Speaker 1: very beautiful and long verbos intro. So I loved it.
Speaker 1: I love that. Well, there's so much to say about
Speaker 1: you though, Thank you so much. I love compliments, so
Speaker 1: this is perfect. You deserve them all. And where are
Speaker 1: you right now? Because you're in sort of like a
Speaker 1: your your your background on the zoom is sort of
Speaker 1: a flowery sort of Yeah, honestly, I am in Sweden.
Speaker 1: Where is she in midsommer. Sweet Sweden, It Sweden. It
Speaker 1: is in Brooklyn right now, wasting my youth indoors, but
Speaker 1: staying say hopefully, no, no, no, it's it's it's it's all.
Speaker 1: It's all an investment. Now for once we're all free
Speaker 1: to go outside. Now, I wanna spend no more time
Speaker 1: talking about anything else other than this apology, which is
Speaker 1: richly deserved. And okay, do you know what I'm about
Speaker 1: to apologize to you for? You know, I forget that
Speaker 1: this is this is enraged to me at the time,
Speaker 1: but I believe in forgiveness. So I was pissed and
Speaker 1: then I moved on because that's how we grow as entertainers.
Speaker 1: That's true. Um, that's true. And wow, what a model
Speaker 1: for for for growth. Um, for for modeling growth. A
Speaker 1: model for modeling growth. Now, let's say, let's just give
Speaker 1: the full context. I was booked in the same sort
Speaker 1: of shooting session as Matt was, as Sudi was forbated.
Speaker 1: This was I'm want to say to three years ago,
Speaker 1: snowy day. It was a snowy day. Um, I was
Speaker 1: shooting this program on h I want to say TBS.
Speaker 1: It doesn't matter though obviously I want no, no, no,
Speaker 1: it doesn't. But I'm illustrating the idea that the fact
Speaker 1: that I don't even he's what he's illustrating is the
Speaker 1: fact that there was an excuse for him not showing
Speaker 1: up to shoot your showy, and already this is going
Speaker 1: terribly Wow, I think this is I'm just like extemporaneously
Speaker 1: getting my my words out. Okay, so this is what happened.
Speaker 1: I was shooting the show, and then the production was
Speaker 1: a little chaotic during that show, and then they had
Speaker 1: changed my hours and my days so that I was
Speaker 1: this is the first position bullshit that I couldn't do
Speaker 1: zo a show. And I had to let Saut your producer, no,
Speaker 1: the day before and it was just like, I'm so sorry,
Speaker 1: I can't do this. And then she responded to me
Speaker 1: and gave me a wonderful tongue lashing, being like, Ze
Speaker 1: worked really hard to prepare these segments for you, and
Speaker 1: this really fucking sucks, and you really screwed her over.
Speaker 1: And I was like, yeah, I know, I know, and
Speaker 1: I and I still feel guilt around it. It's okay,
Speaker 1: I forgive you, because ultimately your episode went to Apana
Speaker 1: and I'm Turla and it was much better it would
Speaker 1: have gone. Yes, it went much better than any thing
Speaker 1: that we would have done would have gone. Truly. Also,
Speaker 1: we got to have a great time. We had a
Speaker 1: great time. No, I'm sad, but I think, well we'll
Speaker 1: connect hopefully when this is a TV show. UM, so, well,
Speaker 1: well we'll circle back around. What can you say? What
Speaker 1: what's the latest on this? Because the buzz around town
Speaker 1: is everyone's just like at the damn Beach either day,
Speaker 1: everyone was just like, well he always going to get
Speaker 1: a show. And this feels like, this feels like a
Speaker 1: prophetic thing. Now it's just assumed, you know, time will tell,
Speaker 1: Time will tell. But I love love and it's like,
Speaker 1: um tell people tell everyone at home that is living
Speaker 1: under a damn apparently very big and heavy rock if
Speaker 1: they don't know what bait it is? And what's going
Speaker 1: on on your live every Thursday evening. So on my
Speaker 1: live show, I interview different um celebrities and comedians and
Speaker 1: I asked them about race. And the questions are very simple,
Speaker 1: like how many black friends do you have? What do
Speaker 1: you qualitatively like about black people? But everyone manages to
Speaker 1: sort of express their racial biases in ways that no
Speaker 1: one could ever write or imagine and if you guess
Speaker 1: like Caroline Callaway, Alison Roman, Um, Rose McGowan, Josh Sharp,
Speaker 1: friend of the show, George Severis, We're another friend of
Speaker 1: the show, George Sveris. That was a very funny episode.
Speaker 1: UM all time. I'm really excited Alexis Nyers, which is
Speaker 1: one of my favorite interviews of all time. That was
Speaker 1: like pretty iconic. UM. And I actually was really really
Speaker 1: impressed with her. She's done the work. Yeah. I expected
Speaker 1: her to be like super raucous, more like a Caroline
Speaker 1: Callaway type UM, and she was really like came on
Speaker 1: the show like very open to listening and expressing her faults.
Speaker 1: I was surprised. I thought she was great and she
Speaker 1: was able to filter a lot of her own biases
Speaker 1: through this journey that she's been going on with the
Speaker 1: adoption process that her and her husband are going to
Speaker 1: the famously UM. But I what I find interesting is
Speaker 1: what feels most remarkable to me is, Yeah, it's like
Speaker 1: people sort of put their biases on display in ways
Speaker 1: that can't be written or imagined. But with like the
Speaker 1: Alyssa Milano's and the Rose McGowan's, it's like they come
Speaker 1: in hot both those interviews. I distinctly remember they came in. You,
Speaker 1: you greet them, and then they immediately sort of talk
Speaker 1: at length without you being able to get into word
Speaker 1: in edgewise, Like they talk at length about like proving
Speaker 1: their own activist streaks, and it's like a little bewildering. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I love Alyssa Milanolissa Melana was one of the harder
Speaker 1: interviews because I'm like thinking in real time, when do
Speaker 1: I interrupt to get to my first question as she's
Speaker 1: sort of like meandering. But I kind of appreciate that
Speaker 1: white womanhood if you're the type of lady that like
Speaker 1: talks at people like, let's show that's exactly what we're
Speaker 1: here to show. So I really love that interview. But
Speaker 1: for different reasons. You just put them both in kind
Speaker 1: of the same capsule there. But the Alyssa Milano interview
Speaker 1: and the Rose McGowan interview, So there's those are two
Speaker 1: very different interviews, and those are two very different women.
Speaker 1: And um so I us I just read through the
Speaker 1: Rose McGowan interview again and it seems like, because oh,
Speaker 1: you can actually read all the transcripts on ze Way's
Speaker 1: website as well. Sign up from my subscription service. Yeah,
Speaker 1: but um, I don't know if you saw this today,
Speaker 1: but Rose McGowan came out today and actually accused Alexander
Speaker 1: of sexual misconduct. And well she was fifteen when I
Speaker 1: had sex, so we can go ahead and say rape. Um,
Speaker 1: so that's actually fresh off the presses. And yeah, so
Speaker 1: I mean she always bring seems to bring the truth,
Speaker 1: um undaunted. Yeah, she's I mean, she's one of the
Speaker 1: biggest figures and like the century, like moving that movement
Speaker 1: into what it was because of willingness to speak out.
Speaker 1: That's just like that's going to be in history books.
Speaker 1: And I think that she should be attributed to in
Speaker 1: large part what went down with the entire Me Too movement.
Speaker 1: And I do feel that she is sort of taken
Speaker 1: out of that narrative because it's not super convenient for
Speaker 1: the very d n c Ish way that a lot
Speaker 1: of the Times up Ish movement is run. I think, yes,
Speaker 1: I just referred her other Times up Ish movement because
Speaker 1: it does sometimes seems like it's it's only for one
Speaker 1: type of woman. And I think that it's really important
Speaker 1: that Rose McGowan's voice continued to be heard by everyone.
Speaker 1: And so you know, I'm happy to see that that
Speaker 1: you gave her that opportunity, because she's not going to
Speaker 1: be someone that goes out there and it's a freaking
Speaker 1: idiot about it. She's not. I mean, you know, yeah,
Speaker 1: she's controversial, so she because she contradicts herself. Like sometimes
Speaker 1: she'll be really progressive and have really interesting feminists like ideals,
Speaker 1: and other times it's like, why are you speaking up
Speaker 1: about things you have no idea about? So I think
Speaker 1: she is truly like a like an American activist in
Speaker 1: their pure, purest form. Does she not live in America anymore?
Speaker 1: She's in Mexico, I think said yeah, the Caroline thing,
Speaker 1: Caroline seems to like really be stretching this out. Well,
Speaker 1: I feel like she First of all, I tagged her.
Speaker 1: I mean, the week of that interview was super thrilling,
Speaker 1: as as it is every week, but that was a
Speaker 1: week where everyone was it was a special week and
Speaker 1: it was a very special week, and I she just
Speaker 1: I remember she I tagged her in something. Oh no,
Speaker 1: I didn't even tag her. I screenshotted like some like
Speaker 1: a tweet of yours with a clip or something. And
Speaker 1: then she deemed me on Instagram, was like I would
Speaker 1: appreciate a tag things. She like what I didn't tag her?
Speaker 1: She just stumbled on my story, found this this little
Speaker 1: screen grab of your tweetum with with with your interview,
Speaker 1: and she was like, would appreciate a tag? She And
Speaker 1: then now I feel like she's I feel like she
Speaker 1: refers back to it even still is that accurate? I
Speaker 1: wish her well? That was special, that was a special interview.
Speaker 1: What is this about? She is truly being a journalist.
Speaker 1: She is truly being all in a Frost Nixon sent show.
Speaker 1: What goes on on our Instagram is the journalism, and
Speaker 1: it happens in the moment, and it is not for
Speaker 1: us outside of it. Okay, say, I'll say, and I
Speaker 1: will not speak to any individual, but I will say
Speaker 1: that the behind the scenes of the show deserves its
Speaker 1: own untucked because that you could possibly fathom on your
Speaker 1: worst day. Because I even feel like there is a
Speaker 1: lot of drama around people you try to bok who
Speaker 1: don't come on the show. Oh yes, yes, Like why
Speaker 1: I can't. I won't say, because hopefully I'll get them,
Speaker 1: and I don't. I don't want to start that precedent.
Speaker 1: But I've had men. It's mostly straight men. Who get
Speaker 1: very upset that I have deigned to ask them to
Speaker 1: be on my show, even though I think, like I've
Speaker 1: asked that's fantastic partner has been on my show, like Josh,
Speaker 1: fantastic comedians. Um, So it's mostly straight men and they
Speaker 1: really want me to walk them through the process. So
Speaker 1: I've had several of them be like, you know, can
Speaker 1: we do a call beforehand? And I don't. I usually
Speaker 1: say no because I don't want. I don't want to
Speaker 1: talk to them, right because I would imagine, like what
Speaker 1: is the prep? I want to talk to them on
Speaker 1: the show. That's the only thing. Yeah, exactly, because because
Speaker 1: what is what is the prep that goes into each
Speaker 1: week for you? Like what are like Monday, Tuesday, Wednesday
Speaker 1: and day of Like what is what? How does that
Speaker 1: break down? But depends on the guests, but a lot
Speaker 1: of research, Like I listened to like every single podcast
Speaker 1: they've ever done. I go through to see what racist
Speaker 1: stuff they said in. Um, yeah that's mostly what I
Speaker 1: do and then that's yeah that's it. Or I'll watch
Speaker 1: their reality show. So I watched Pretty Wild, um, but
Speaker 1: that was just for me. That was nyers um. But yeah,
Speaker 1: that's pretty much I'll just go through survey. They work
Speaker 1: their work. I can't believe Alexis has never seen them.
Speaker 1: I mean, I get it, I get why she would
Speaker 1: never see the bling ering, but that surprised me for
Speaker 1: some reason. Yeah, someone's got to do, Like Vanity Fair's
Speaker 1: got to do. Alexis Nyers watches the bling Ering for
Speaker 1: the first time. That's an instant you know. By also
Speaker 1: had pretty valid um uh ship to say about the
Speaker 1: way that Emma Watson talked about her in the press
Speaker 1: at the time, being like I'm playing the worst person ever.
Speaker 1: Can't believe like this person even exists. Meanwhile, like she
Speaker 1: was well aware of like struggles that she was having
Speaker 1: in her life. But also I guess Emma Watson was young,
Speaker 1: and that's me letting her off the why let's examine
Speaker 1: it your one woman production team, and I want to
Speaker 1: ask because I feel like Matt and I have encountered this.
Speaker 1: Perhaps it's nowhere near the same sort of intensity or
Speaker 1: sort of attention to detail that you put in. I
Speaker 1: feel but like, let's say, like I'll design a poster
Speaker 1: and then like but then like if I were to
Speaker 1: ever like those days are good, No, no, no, come on,
Speaker 1: um but let's say, like let's say Matt and I
Speaker 1: already do to do a TV show, Like I would
Speaker 1: feel a certain way about relinquishing power or outsourcing it
Speaker 1: to someone else, And like when the time comes that
Speaker 1: you do get the support behind do you in terms
Speaker 1: of like a production apparatus, Like do you see yourself
Speaker 1: wanting to control a lot of the elements around I
Speaker 1: am a control freak, so I I think that's inevitable.
Speaker 1: But I would gladly give up the research perstion. I
Speaker 1: would gladly give up booking talent because it's like a
Speaker 1: lot of me texting people's publicists, which isn't as fun
Speaker 1: as it sounds. Uh. Yeah, there there are elements of
Speaker 1: the production that I would give up. But I like
Speaker 1: to produce. I'm good at producing. So the minutia of
Speaker 1: like what what does this look like? How are we
Speaker 1: shooting that I'm interested in. For sure. We're the same
Speaker 1: way because we we literally book whenever we do and
Speaker 1: I don't think so, honey. It's literally fifty people and
Speaker 1: we do it city to city, and but we book
Speaker 1: every single one and we put all that, we put
Speaker 1: all the lineups together. It's literally too much. But I
Speaker 1: think that Bowen and I at this point wouldn't feel
Speaker 1: comfortable allowing someone else to do that. So I get
Speaker 1: what you're saying. I yeah, I like the control of
Speaker 1: being like I get to talk to this person because
Speaker 1: they are someone whose Instagram I like and want to
Speaker 1: watch again. Um, yeah, I don't want to reach out.
Speaker 1: That's I would have something like someone in between us.
Speaker 1: So then yeah, because I do a lot of aftercare
Speaker 1: after the interview is all like usually talk to the people,
Speaker 1: and so I have space in between that. Wow. So
Speaker 1: I would imagine that after the interview they probably text
Speaker 1: you pretty immediately and go, how did that go compared
Speaker 1: to every other ones that you've done? How was it?
Speaker 1: Did I say anything that actually offended you? Et cetera?
Speaker 1: Is that is that fair to say? You know, every
Speaker 1: guest is unique and has a unique from the experience. Okay,
Speaker 1: you will not reveal bts. This is a true producer.
Speaker 1: She's like, she knows she has an actual show on
Speaker 1: her hands, which is which is baited after the bait.
Speaker 1: If you an untoughed for a ship where it's like
Speaker 1: like was it breaking bad or whatever the fuck whatever?
Speaker 1: That shocking bad talking bait were definitely. Wait, okay, was
Speaker 1: that there to say earlier that this the I G
Speaker 1: Live Show is a different iteration of BAITA would you
Speaker 1: still consider it baited because I feel like now we're different, Yeah. Different. Yeah, well,
Speaker 1: because the first one was like I will race bait
Speaker 1: my coworkers. Um, then it became I will respit my friends,
Speaker 1: and then there was a version of it, but then
Speaker 1: it started stopping about like white people and started being
Speaker 1: like Gary Richardson and a partner um having to go to.
Speaker 1: So it's like in the ecosystem of like race baiting,
Speaker 1: but I think it's I don't I feel that in
Speaker 1: I don't have to trick anyone into saying anything racist.
Speaker 1: They volunted information to me unwillingly the time. So so yeah,
Speaker 1: so it's it's it's grown from that point. But I
Speaker 1: think we need some people to help fund the movement, right,
Speaker 1: every single person has their benefactor, and that's how we thrive.
Speaker 1: And so I'm willing to step out in front and
Speaker 1: make a lot of money for the better min of men.
Speaker 1: And that's me the Martin third King of All Comedy.
Speaker 1: That's actually huge of you to say, and maybe that's
Speaker 1: the title of Martin Luther King a kiding of comedy. Um.
Speaker 1: I also think it's interesting that everyone is kind of
Speaker 1: getting to know you as an online presence, because we
Speaker 1: sort of got to know you as a live performance presence.
Speaker 1: And I have to say I love your unhinged live shows.
Speaker 1: I have seen you be given a seven minute slot
Speaker 1: that went on for twenty minutes and not a damn
Speaker 1: person was upset about that. And let me tell you,
Speaker 1: you were not getting off that stage at all. I'm
Speaker 1: bad at telling the time, truly did not, right, bitch?
Speaker 1: Do you know exactly how long you're up there? No?
Speaker 1: I don't mean it. No, it's no. This is this
Speaker 1: is the thing that Josh Sharper marked on is that
Speaker 1: z has always been an anarchist and it's and it's
Speaker 1: and it's anarchy that she sort of brings to the
Speaker 1: live performance aspect of her of her of her comedy
Speaker 1: is that it's like I'll keep playing ponderoast and with
Speaker 1: O Marista. Is that the song that you that that
Speaker 1: was normally replayed from Milania to Sri Lanka? Excuse Lanka?
Speaker 1: I'm so sorry? Can you wait? Can you just remind
Speaker 1: me love the lyrics? Um? I love to shop with
Speaker 1: Milanda and Sri Lanka Lanca. My clothes like my Oscar
Speaker 1: de la I love my boys, love my Calvin's and
Speaker 1: my toys, love my Gucci and Pucci. Pretty hello, Katie Meo.
Speaker 1: And Milannia is only really mentioned in the chorus or
Speaker 1: is she like I feel I feel like she's sort
Speaker 1: of thrown in there. Yeah, she's a red herring for sure. Yeah,
Speaker 1: that's herring in the song exactly. It's about the women
Speaker 1: who are friends with Milania. Who is shopping with Milania? Yeah,
Speaker 1: it's an exploration and you famously would not leave the
Speaker 1: stage until every audience member knew every word, sang along
Speaker 1: at a and was up out of their chair bopping
Speaker 1: like it was that's true. And you know how that started. Actually,
Speaker 1: I did the pop show and Dwyane Perkins was going
Speaker 1: to be the closer and I really wanted to see
Speaker 1: him because I think he's one of the best dancer
Speaker 1: comedians ever. And he was late and I was like, so,
Speaker 1: I was like, how do I feel the time? Like
Speaker 1: I have extra time at Union Hall? Like what do
Speaker 1: I do? So? I did Milan a second and I
Speaker 1: checked is do I in here? No, He's not here,
Speaker 1: So I did it a third time. In the fourth time,
Speaker 1: I think I did it seven times back to back
Speaker 1: until he finally got and so that that was the
Speaker 1: birth of what it was at Union Hall. Um. But yeah,
Speaker 1: I was maddening, people got upset, people left. Um, someone
Speaker 1: who brawd on stage. That was awesome. So it's polarized,
Speaker 1: supposed to be polarizing. Yeah, that was a really fun show.
Speaker 1: I did that show a couple of times. Yeah, I
Speaker 1: brought I brought my songs. Yes, your songs are amazing.
Speaker 1: The Disney Prince I love that. Well it's called Disney Gay,
Speaker 1: but thank you very much, I do it. Do consider
Speaker 1: myself a Disney prints on a Disney Gay. Yeah, that
Speaker 1: was one of my favorite shows actually, because I love
Speaker 1: when people come bring their music. Yeah, I like I think, well,
Speaker 1: I just I get I got tired of like this
Speaker 1: whole do a set to your stand up and it's like,
Speaker 1: why are we here? Yeah? So I like a theme
Speaker 1: show because I get to turn looks. Really it's for
Speaker 1: my wardrobe and me exercising that. Yeah. Well, I feel
Speaker 1: like the wardrobe ties into a cultivated persona or a
Speaker 1: persona that I think you are on the way to
Speaker 1: cultivating thank you, which is pop star. Can we talk
Speaker 1: about this, yes, I My plan is to be a
Speaker 1: pop star in the next two to five years, and
Speaker 1: I give us details. Well, I'm I am a pop star.
Speaker 1: I have pop im cat suits. I just bought a
Speaker 1: new body suit that's in the mail UM and so
Speaker 1: my goal is to tour worldwide with UM Pop Show.
Speaker 1: And my idea behind this is that there's nothing there's
Speaker 1: pop stars are like the least political figures in American history,
Speaker 1: famously pop like, Oh, I don't want to comment on
Speaker 1: that because it affects sales. I thought about the politics.
Speaker 1: I just focus on the music. And so I kind
Speaker 1: of pitched the idea like, what would happen if a
Speaker 1: pop star was inherently political, could have testful and talk
Speaker 1: about universal healthcare and universal basic income. And so that's
Speaker 1: been the genesis of my popstar our character. Well, what
Speaker 1: do you feel about the fact that Taylor Swift is
Speaker 1: coming for your spot? Now? I love it. I love that. Hey,
Speaker 1: God bless we need more people to talk about important
Speaker 1: things before the death of democracy. That's true, But pop
Speaker 1: stars and their entry point into any sort of political
Speaker 1: thought is always like it comes from such like a
Speaker 1: a sub baseline understanding of the way. Like I'm not
Speaker 1: saying they're not dumb, They're just like they're like stating
Speaker 1: things that like everybody kind of knows. And I feel
Speaker 1: like I kind of I mean, I mean, there isn't
Speaker 1: a political concept that like no one that everyone is
Speaker 1: familiar with, um, just on the same level. But I
Speaker 1: feel like sometimes pop stars sah and I'm just like, yeah,
Speaker 1: we've we've known that. Do you remember Pink song Dear
Speaker 1: Mr President, you only boy about George? It was like
Speaker 1: a girl, we know, we know what she What was
Speaker 1: she saying about George Bush? It was just like, dear
Speaker 1: Mr President, what made you this way? What damaged you so?
Speaker 1: Literally the line was were you lonely? Boy? Hey? God?
Speaker 1: You know? And also like um, of course Kelly Clarkson
Speaker 1: had her song. Of course she had a song like that.
Speaker 1: Literally was when we when they go low, we go Hi,
Speaker 1: didn't U didn't a young um, a young man say
Speaker 1: that you guys stole his moment from him? Yeah? This chaos,
Speaker 1: This is chaos. Um. This was when we weren't have
Speaker 1: the view. This was no, we do have to this
Speaker 1: because because if we have chaos here on the pod,
Speaker 1: We're gonna actually bring chaos of our own, so listen.
Speaker 1: We actually went to the View and it was because
Speaker 1: we were actually having a hard week that week, and
Speaker 1: that was a very fought week, and we went to say,
Speaker 1: let's take our minds off every anything and go to
Speaker 1: the Kelly Clarkson Kelly Clarkson at the View, and a
Speaker 1: producer reached out to us and said, we have tickets
Speaker 1: for you guys. We know that Matt, you're a Kelly
Speaker 1: Clarkson fan, so you should come to the show with
Speaker 1: the plus one on this day. And yes, this is
Speaker 1: a very hard I mean, should should we say what
Speaker 1: this week was? Matt? It was literally the week we
Speaker 1: found out that Bone was getting s and L and
Speaker 1: I wasn't. So it was like it was like tough.
Speaker 1: It was like it was not like it was. It
Speaker 1: was a very emotional week, and so we said let's
Speaker 1: and Boone was still deciding whether or not to take it,
Speaker 1: and I knew he was gonna take it, and I
Speaker 1: was just like, let's just enjoy these last couple of
Speaker 1: days of of it being the way things are, because
Speaker 1: things are going to change. And it was an emotional time.
Speaker 1: Ultimately everything happened for the best and everything is amazing,
Speaker 1: but that that day it was hard. So then we
Speaker 1: went and literally we were there because the producer said,
Speaker 1: we know you're Kelly's biggest fan. So then we get there,
Speaker 1: they have these seats for us. They put us in.
Speaker 1: There were in the second row. And then I start
Speaker 1: hearing titters around saying that the producers saying, we heard
Speaker 1: Kelly's biggest fan is here. We heard Kelly's biggest fan
Speaker 1: is here. There might be something. And I said to
Speaker 1: Boone and I was like, you don't think that they
Speaker 1: put us here, because like there's gonna be a thing.
Speaker 1: Because honestly, had they put us on television that day
Speaker 1: and Kelly talked to me, I would have been really
Speaker 1: embarrassing and cried. I was so emotional. So then Kelly
Speaker 1: comes out does her interview, I'm sort of shaking the
Speaker 1: whole time. Meanwhile, you should know that everything Sunny Houston
Speaker 1: said all day. Bone and I were like, yes, yes, Sonny,
Speaker 1: go get him Sunny way to go. Well that's a
Speaker 1: different story. Wait, she'd be fabulous, but she would never
Speaker 1: go on. She she she I don't think she'd ever
Speaker 1: go on Rony. She's too classy. Ron Anyway, back to
Speaker 1: the view and you guys, but so anyway, Um, which
Speaker 1: one more sunny thing? Which is during during a break
Speaker 1: we said it was Bowen and I said at the
Speaker 1: same time, you look amazing sunny, and she turns to
Speaker 1: us and she goes, thank you. You know, when we
Speaker 1: have days off, I don't even wear makeup, Like wow,
Speaker 1: it was so and then she turned around she goes, Nope,
Speaker 1: I don't. I don't wear makeup at all. And then
Speaker 1: the show started again and she was like talking about
Speaker 1: healthcare or whatever. The other the other the other sunny
Speaker 1: thing I want to say is, um, there was a
Speaker 1: dance contest that was being hyped up by the warm
Speaker 1: up comic during one of the commercial breaks, and they're like,
Speaker 1: it's all these like, you know, suburban moms from Jersey
Speaker 1: or Connecticut or Long Island just like dancing, dancing, dancing,
Speaker 1: and then um, you know, the crowd gets hyped up,
Speaker 1: and then the warm up comic throws it over to
Speaker 1: the panelists and she goes, Sunny, what did you think
Speaker 1: of the dance contest? She goes, I loved it, and
Speaker 1: then the warm up comic throws it over to Whoopy
Speaker 1: and goes, Whoopy, what did you think? And then Whoopy goes,
Speaker 1: I don't give a funk about this iconic, iconic, so funny, funny.
Speaker 1: So anyway, they're like, Kelly's biggest fan is here, Kelly's
Speaker 1: during an interview, and then then they they they stop
Speaker 1: everything and they're like, okay, well there's someone really important
Speaker 1: that that we want you to talk to. And they
Speaker 1: go over to this other day that's sitting like sort
Speaker 1: of right in front of us, and then he tells her,
Speaker 1: you know, Kelly, like, I'm your biggest fan, Like I've
Speaker 1: lost ninety pounds listening to your music every day when
Speaker 1: I was on that treadmill you were with me, and
Speaker 1: she was like, oh my god, that's so cool. Yeah, yeah,
Speaker 1: actually have a ticket for you to the concert. And
Speaker 1: he was like cool, cool, great, and he got to
Speaker 1: go up and then get tickets, etcetera. We didn't know
Speaker 1: that they got us on camera, but they did, and
Speaker 1: the whole clip of us hearing the whole thing is
Speaker 1: online and Bowen the whole time is just living for
Speaker 1: this other day, getting his moment, and so you know,
Speaker 1: the background of it was so dark, so dark, and
Speaker 1: and then we brought this, we brought this moment up
Speaker 1: like a few episodes ago, and then and then I
Speaker 1: think I think there was a dust and the kid
Speaker 1: got upset again because he his his this clip was
Speaker 1: going around again, and then he was just like, this
Speaker 1: is another reminder about how terrible of a day that was.
Speaker 1: And it's like, wait, I can't. We can't weigh you
Speaker 1: getting you being able to talk to like your your
Speaker 1: idle and you're like you're you're your hero worship person
Speaker 1: against me and my friend making funny faces like to
Speaker 1: the side, like it's not the same thing. I was like,
Speaker 1: it was like, this is funny. I talked to him
Speaker 1: back in front of the d m S. I was like,
Speaker 1: you don't see how this is funny and he was like,
Speaker 1: it really hurts me the comments. I'm like, I understand that,
Speaker 1: but what was I gonna do not post this if
Speaker 1: we had it? Like, come on, bitch, you guys are wild. Okay.
Speaker 1: I was on your side until he said you were
Speaker 1: dming him telling him he it's funny. No, because he was.
Speaker 1: He he kept he kept replying to all these tweets,
Speaker 1: being like stop it now, I'm hurt. This is this,
Speaker 1: and I was just like, you know what, I feel bad.
Speaker 1: So I got in the kids dm s and I
Speaker 1: was like, Hi, I'm sorry that people are saying these things.
Speaker 1: I hope you know I'm not. I didn't post this
Speaker 1: at your expense. I posted at my own expense because
Speaker 1: I think it's funny that everyone that like knows who
Speaker 1: I am. Like, I have some listeners of a podcast
Speaker 1: I do they know what a big fan I am
Speaker 1: of Kelly Clarkson and me not getting this and you
Speaker 1: getting it and the way my friend is acting is funny.
Speaker 1: That's why I posted it. And he was like, yes,
Speaker 1: but it's really hurtful these things, And I'm like, dude,
Speaker 1: you know what, it's just going to be a difference
Speaker 1: of opinion because because the way, wouldn't you agree? I
Speaker 1: feel like this is something that people can glean from
Speaker 1: from the show. From your show too, is that like
Speaker 1: grafting on any sort of victimhood narrative? And I'm watching
Speaker 1: like Search Party right now, which I think deals with this,
Speaker 1: like like being too suffused in a victimhood narrative is
Speaker 1: kind of like destructive in terms of in terms of
Speaker 1: like what it does to people sort of in your
Speaker 1: immediate vicinity when it comes to a certain situation, because
Speaker 1: I feel like, I don't know if this kid is
Speaker 1: necessarily a victim in that situation, do you know what
Speaker 1: I mean? But he was kind of like going around
Speaker 1: social media saying that he was and it's like, wait
Speaker 1: a minute, Wait a minute, wait a minute. He was
Speaker 1: saying that that that this happening had made it a
Speaker 1: bad memory for him, and I'm like, you know what,
Speaker 1: that's actually pathetic. Wait wait wait, do do you agree
Speaker 1: with him that that you guys made it a bad
Speaker 1: memory for him? I mean, you know, I can see
Speaker 1: his perspective as someone who probably has like what a
Speaker 1: hundred followers, and then too people who have hundreds of
Speaker 1: thousands of followers. Big, get over it. It's not a
Speaker 1: bad memory had that been. Who do you stand the most?
Speaker 1: Which pops are? Do you stand the most? Sana? I
Speaker 1: love Rihanna? Okay, So Rihanna is up on stage, they say,
Speaker 1: and you've been given tickets to a show. They say,
Speaker 1: we know that z Way loves Rihanna, So we're setting
Speaker 1: z Way up in the second row. By the way, also,
Speaker 1: z Way, the biggest career opportunity of your life is
Speaker 1: not going to you, but your best friend is going
Speaker 1: to go join your other best friend at that opportunity.
Speaker 1: Just f y, I deal with us in the same
Speaker 1: hour that we're gonna watch Rihanna tell this other girl
Speaker 1: and I have a whole moment with her. And then
Speaker 1: you get footage of you finding out that in the
Speaker 1: moment on YouTube or not on Twitter, and you wouldn't
Speaker 1: post it. You're saying that you wouldn't post it us
Speaker 1: the way I would post it. I would post it,
Speaker 1: but I would knowing that it might hurt their feeling
Speaker 1: and that if it did hurt their feelings, I am
Speaker 1: at fault for it. But it's okay sometimes, And that's
Speaker 1: that's why I apologized. Well, you're it was a really
Speaker 1: an apology, but it was. It was a genuine apology.
Speaker 1: I got on the kids ms. I said, I'm so sorry.
Speaker 1: This was not my intention. Literally, if you watched the
Speaker 1: clip and take yourself out of it, it's at my expense.
Speaker 1: That's why I posted it. And then he was like, well,
Speaker 1: you made it a bad memory for me, and I said, again,
Speaker 1: I'm so sorry. That's kind of what happens when you
Speaker 1: go on television. This is so funny and unhinged, and
Speaker 1: it all revolves around Kelly Clarkson on the view, so
Speaker 1: it is really ridiculous. He's saying amazing. I love that.
Speaker 1: You guys love Kelly Clarkson. I love Pauli Clerkson. Behind
Speaker 1: These Hazel Eyes is one of the first songs I learned.
Speaker 1: Um with my voice coach. Um, Wow, that's a hard song.
Speaker 1: That's hard line. No, she's fantastic. She's a fantastic singer. Um.
Speaker 1: She seems like she has a great charm. Justin from
Speaker 1: Justin to Kelly was a hit. It was. It deserves
Speaker 1: to be in the Criterion collection. I agree, you should
Speaker 1: go on Kelly Clarkson's emy winning daytime show. I would
Speaker 1: like to be I would like to be packaged with
Speaker 1: her show, like an hour long just you should be
Speaker 1: packaged with her show. You the Way is pro packaging.
Speaker 1: By the way, this is so controversial what you say.
Speaker 1: The Way is anti w G A pro packaging. I
Speaker 1: hate I love the Open Class, even though I'm not
Speaker 1: a part of it. Yes, oh my god, Bone, I
Speaker 1: just noticed your shirt. Bone is wearing his Taylor Swift
Speaker 1: Lost Culturesta's merch. Love it merch. Please be guys, get
Speaker 1: some get merch getting well, can they can? I still
Speaker 1: buy it? I think I think that I think the
Speaker 1: site is down, but we're gonna get it going. We're
Speaker 1: going up again. We have a lot of Taylor Swift
Speaker 1: merch you can buy um someday. Um. But I did
Speaker 1: just want to bring up the way because I was
Speaker 1: watching Watch What Happens Live the other night and then
Speaker 1: who did I see but z Way doing the Mozel
Speaker 1: of the Week. You have come out Yeah, fast and
Speaker 1: furious as team Denise. Are you guys, um Team Denise?
Speaker 1: I am Team Denise. Okay, yeah, so it's other team Denise.
Speaker 1: Are you abstained? Yeah? I just think it's like if
Speaker 1: like you're not the police, Like, who's leave this woman alone?
Speaker 1: If she doesn't want to he doesn't want to talk
Speaker 1: about it, Yeah, she doesn't. So let's let's actually let's
Speaker 1: explain this to Bowen in our terms and see if
Speaker 1: he's Team Denise, so ze Way, lets let him know
Speaker 1: what's going on with Denise and the ladies on Beverly Hills. Okay,
Speaker 1: So let's say I'm Kyle Richards and Denise, Yes this
Speaker 1: is you're great? Okay. So Kyle gets information from Brandy
Speaker 1: gland Felle, that Denise allegedly had sex with Brandy in
Speaker 1: a hotel room on set, and that she cheated on
Speaker 1: her husband she's bisexual, and that she all of her
Speaker 1: cast mates, that she called Erica Jane cold, that she
Speaker 1: thinks Timmy Mellencamp is living in her father's shadow even
Speaker 1: though she still goes by her father's surname, that she
Speaker 1: thinks how doesn't care about them, etcetera, etcetera. Now the
Speaker 1: fans are divided. Half of the people think that Kyle
Speaker 1: Richards has a right to ask Denise to prod Denise
Speaker 1: about this, that Lisa r enough about it and it's
Speaker 1: totally cool because that's what the show is about, being honest,
Speaker 1: and the other the right side of history, believes that
Speaker 1: Denise Richards shouldn't have to talk about things she doesn't
Speaker 1: want to talk about and the and walking off set
Speaker 1: on reality TV is actually the realest way to behave Okay,
Speaker 1: So I for context, is is it every every housewife
Speaker 1: is against Denise or there's no one on Denise's side? No,
Speaker 1: So basically what's happening is Denise has Garcela Bova on
Speaker 1: her side, and which kind of inherently makes her makes
Speaker 1: that the right side. Um, but also she's got Dory
Speaker 1: Kemsley on her side, which is a little bit of
Speaker 1: a twist. So and I know it's it's it's so
Speaker 1: really surreal to see this happen. But so basically half
Speaker 1: these women are saying, we want to get to the
Speaker 1: truth of this matter, and Denise is like, it's not
Speaker 1: true and I don't want to talk about anymore. Brandy's
Speaker 1: making shipped up. And the other women are like, okay,
Speaker 1: well we don't really believe that she's making it up,
Speaker 1: and then Denise is like, well, I don't really know
Speaker 1: what to tell you now. Usually, it should be noted
Speaker 1: there are some inconsistencies in Denise's story. She does seem
Speaker 1: like she's hiding something a little bit, but the way
Speaker 1: the women are going about it and pushing and pushing
Speaker 1: and pushing and have been pushing her all season on
Speaker 1: other issues, such as she didn't want to talk about
Speaker 1: sex with the girls at a party where her kids
Speaker 1: were at and all the women thought they were judging
Speaker 1: them as mother's for doing that. There's this narrative that
Speaker 1: Denise's quote unquote hiding something and your Brandy Glandville with
Speaker 1: this information that they hooked up because she thought that
Speaker 1: Denise and her husband had an open marriage, and Denise
Speaker 1: said in the morning, don't tell my husband. He'll kill me.
Speaker 1: So Brandy, who famously was cheated on by her husband
Speaker 1: with Leanne Rhymes, was not down with cheating. So when
Speaker 1: this happened to her, she felt like shit and told
Speaker 1: the women, now, there's a lot going on here. So
Speaker 1: I feel like the reason I said, of course, of course,
Speaker 1: when when you guys said that there was some conflicting
Speaker 1: there was some contradictory things about her recounting, I'm just like,
Speaker 1: of course, of course, Like anytime your product product product,
Speaker 1: like you know, things get sort of lost in translation.
Speaker 1: They come out when you feel on the spot. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I feel like I feel like Brandy's a little shitty
Speaker 1: for telling the secret and you're on the right history,
Speaker 1: Thank you and welcome to the right side. Thank you.
Speaker 1: But that is how you framed it the way on
Speaker 1: thank you. Yeah, I think that Denise there are holes
Speaker 1: in her story, but like, oh, like, let this woman
Speaker 1: live her life. She wants to lie. Let her fucking lie.
Speaker 1: What's the big lee? And you bravely did that on
Speaker 1: the same watch What Happens Live as Kyle Richards and
Speaker 1: Teddy Mellingham. I didn't get to see, Oh girl, Kyle
Speaker 1: was not having you. She literally it cut back to
Speaker 1: Kyler Richards and she rolled her eyes and shook her
Speaker 1: head a little bit, like, oh my gosh, that's so
Speaker 1: sip for you. I love it. I mean, I stand
Speaker 1: by Denise. I think you should like she's has a
Speaker 1: custody battle. I think that there are more important things,
Speaker 1: um that get I just Yolanda Foster said this. She said,
Speaker 1: we can't go over dead bodies on the way to
Speaker 1: making a good show, and there are real ramifications. Yeah,
Speaker 1: are we watching Potomac? Yes, oh my god, it has
Speaker 1: been fired. Yes, it's excellent. Excellent. Candice versus Moniquehere do
Speaker 1: you stand Candice? Candice is? Candice is? I appreciate Candice,
Speaker 1: but I feel like it seems like what maybe Candice
Speaker 1: is the Denise in the situation where all the other
Speaker 1: wives were like piling on her. Maybe potentially, but I
Speaker 1: feel like Monique just wants some friendship, restitution or something
Speaker 1: like something. She feels like something is out to her.
Speaker 1: I like Wendy a lot. I like Wendy yeah, Um,
Speaker 1: I asked just to be on the Pop Show. I
Speaker 1: alms booked her. I almost booked her on Pop Show.
Speaker 1: But this is like a year ago before she like
Speaker 1: before she unraveled, like her first season where she was
Speaker 1: like extra but not doing too much. Um. And she
Speaker 1: directed me to her manager, Chris, who I believe is
Speaker 1: her husband. Was she was she gonna be a New
Speaker 1: York and she was she gonna be in the area,
Speaker 1: and so I was gonna I was trying to get
Speaker 1: her an Ashley Darby to perform at Pop Show together.
Speaker 1: That would never have happened in a million years. Too
Speaker 1: much drama if it had happened. But yeah, that was
Speaker 1: I was trying. I was probably asked him to think
Speaker 1: of it too. My opinion is I feel like I
Speaker 1: actually like them both as reality cast members. Like I
Speaker 1: really enjoy Candice, I mean famously. I I gave her
Speaker 1: a beverage that was one of the funniest things I've
Speaker 1: ever heard in my entire life. Um. But it's kind
Speaker 1: of my thing with Candice is it seems like she
Speaker 1: wants to do Real Housewives of Potomac on her own time.
Speaker 1: Like she's pretty down in the Confessionals she's down when
Speaker 1: it's like certain times, and then all of a sudden
Speaker 1: at the baby shower last night, she was all right,
Speaker 1: just and we're not going to do this at the
Speaker 1: baby shower. It's like, well, girl, we don't have to
Speaker 1: do quote unquote this anywhere. You're the one who always
Speaker 1: pushed it to the next level. You want to have
Speaker 1: a calm conversation because we're at a baby shower, Let's
Speaker 1: do that. But I mean, it was a lot for
Speaker 1: Ashley to even invite her there and then for her
Speaker 1: to act as scene and storm out so that Ashley
Speaker 1: has to leave her own not baby shower, baby party
Speaker 1: and see you later. M hm. I I mean, I
Speaker 1: I literally couldn't believe when they showed that. When they
Speaker 1: played the audio after the video cut out, that made
Speaker 1: me feel like and then, you know, the show was
Speaker 1: very consciously taking Candice aside. Yes, but what do you
Speaker 1: what's your takeaway? Is it just that Monique is fake
Speaker 1: as hell? I don't think that Monique is fake. I
Speaker 1: just think that Monique doesn't think that the Monique is
Speaker 1: is pressed about Candice having Sharisse at the party, the
Speaker 1: cash Bar party, which let's just say that was really
Speaker 1: bad on the on the first episode. But she is
Speaker 1: trying to buy a house, so whatever, I let her
Speaker 1: say every money but cash bar on a year anniversary.
Speaker 1: You just had everyone at your wedding, everyone but you gifts,
Speaker 1: and not even a year later, you're gonna have a
Speaker 1: cash bar, you cover the drinks. You're a cast member
Speaker 1: on a huge reality show. But anyway, Um, I think
Speaker 1: that they're not on the same page about just how
Speaker 1: much of a betrayal it was to have Sharis at
Speaker 1: that party, and I feel like they just kind of
Speaker 1: want to fight about it. Yeah, I really think so too.
Speaker 1: I think so. I think chers is she's the She's
Speaker 1: she's the hot sauce in the dish that is Potomac,
Speaker 1: the crab of Potomac. Yeah, that's beautiful. So where do
Speaker 1: you stand stand on I'm Monique is gorgeous, beautiful, They're
Speaker 1: both gorgeous. She's going to be on the Grinder podcast
Speaker 1: this week, the rear View. Really, yes, she's on tomorrow.
Speaker 1: That's not with Forever Dog, right it is. Yeah, she's
Speaker 1: Monique is gorgeous. So I so it's hard for me
Speaker 1: to say anything bad about her because her kids are beautiful,
Speaker 1: she seems like she has a great marriage. So so,
Speaker 1: but creeper bird, I'm team I'm team wand Dixon. He
Speaker 1: seems like he's got together. He's so hot, don't we all,
Speaker 1: I'm famously Ladies. What do you think? No, not Matt,
Speaker 1: not matt, um um ladies. What do we think about
Speaker 1: Gisele getting back with her husband and the way that
Speaker 1: her kids feel a certain way about it recipe for
Speaker 1: disaster and the kids are so bummed out. They do
Speaker 1: not want this to happen. I mean, he had he
Speaker 1: had children outside of their marriage. That's not very that's nice.
Speaker 1: And she was just about to pick her life back
Speaker 1: up with the new house and stuff, and then I think,
Speaker 1: I think Gisele when when you take the when you
Speaker 1: take the man out of it, like she she's I
Speaker 1: think she's one of the best because her first episode
Speaker 1: of the season going Okay, we can talk, but you're
Speaker 1: gonna need to stop talking. Iconic line, iconic line, Okay
Speaker 1: you and I can talk, but you have to stop talking.
Speaker 1: Is you shut your mouth when you're talking? It's it's iconic.
Speaker 1: Where it on the street is I'm still the word
Speaker 1: on the street? That was like such a bad remix wait,
Speaker 1: can we talk about how she's the best to the
Speaker 1: most attractive, worst stressed person in America, one of the
Speaker 1: most beautiful, hideously dressed people. Lots of fuchia, lots of
Speaker 1: like liber print rhinestones. I'm just it's troubling. I don't
Speaker 1: know who not to. I don't want to insult anybody's work,
Speaker 1: but we need to upgrade shes got like this disgusting.
Speaker 1: It looks like it looks like a marshal's section. Like
Speaker 1: it's just like like different Tuchman picked from like a
Speaker 1: service that collects from other silleries. Yes, yes, it's like colorful,
Speaker 1: but they're bad colors, you know what I mean. Like
Speaker 1: she's got like attackie taste. She really I the most.
Speaker 1: She's gorgeous, absolutely gorgeous and beautiful style. Oh the silver
Speaker 1: chairs is just like, I mean, my favorite. I think
Speaker 1: the person who I'm loving the most of this season
Speaker 1: is the Grand dam herself is Ms. Karen Hugo. She
Speaker 1: is number one. I loved it the whole time. She
Speaker 1: was just like, I'm trying to focus on my fish.
Speaker 1: This Chilean sea bass is very good, and then they
Speaker 1: capped it off at the end of the episode. Is
Speaker 1: I want more food? Amazing? Also, Rihanna loves Karen, so
Speaker 1: we're we're all she loves Karen, momented on her Instagram live.
Speaker 1: So clearly she is the queen has tastes. Yea queen
Speaker 1: has taste. Um, we should ask the Way the question.
Speaker 1: You have to ask you the question. Okay, see, we're
Speaker 1: gonna ask you the question we asked all of our guests,
Speaker 1: which is, what is the culture that made you say?
Speaker 1: Culture is for me? This is formative culture, um, that
Speaker 1: moved your life into a cultural direction. It could be
Speaker 1: a movie, a book, a play show. Clueless definitive text
Speaker 1: of ze Way's life, but then also a decade later
Speaker 1: Real Housewives. Yeah yeah, now talk about Clueless first. What
Speaker 1: was it about you describe the texture of your feelings
Speaker 1: around the film. Well, I think Stacy dash was one
Speaker 1: of just like the first I mean, you know, obviously
Speaker 1: her her personal polity aside, was one of the black
Speaker 1: women that I saw that was absolutely glamorous on screen
Speaker 1: on that film. And I just thought Dionne was like
Speaker 1: the baddest thing walking, the coolest girl in high school.
Speaker 1: And so a lot of my personality is based on
Speaker 1: that fictional character. I think the clothes that I wear
Speaker 1: are definitely pulled from clueless, Like my entire vibe is
Speaker 1: like Beverly Hills teenager. M Hm, that makes a lot
Speaker 1: of sense. You said that Stacy would be one of
Speaker 1: your dream guests on the show, right, I would like
Speaker 1: to interview Stacy. I don't know. I would like to
Speaker 1: interview Stacy. I would I'd be interested in that. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I think she would do it. I think she would
Speaker 1: do it too. But I think we'd say that again.
Speaker 1: I think we'd say that for the television ship proper.
Speaker 1: Why do we have who list like moment? Like, I
Speaker 1: think it would be meeting up friends. The thing is
Speaker 1: about Stacy Dashes while she is so incredible and clueless,
Speaker 1: and she really is, Like some of the hard line
Speaker 1: readings are I mean, really underrated. Like I feel like,
Speaker 1: no everyone talks about Britney Murphy's line readings and Alicia
Speaker 1: Silverson's performance, but no one really talks about how fucking
Speaker 1: incredible Stacy Dashes Like I feel like I feel like
Speaker 1: the line well there goes to your social life gets credit,
Speaker 1: but she doesn't get credit, and she doesn't get credit
Speaker 1: for share she is toe up our stock would plummet
Speaker 1: like that's so good. But um, I I still think
Speaker 1: for someone who's a funny performer, I wonder about her
Speaker 1: sense of humor. Oh what do you mean? I feel
Speaker 1: don't you feel like to go on your show, you
Speaker 1: have to have some sort of sense of humor, Like
Speaker 1: you have to be willing to have to piss taken
Speaker 1: out of you, whereas like, like, I don't know, it
Speaker 1: depends I saw her do Like I think Hans just
Speaker 1: mentioned this silly Eric Andrea lots that episode again like
Speaker 1: two days ago, because I love the Eric andre Show,
Speaker 1: and she she she was really funny because she was
Speaker 1: there were rats on the floor and they were biting
Speaker 1: at her heels, so she was just she acted naturally.
Speaker 1: I think that guest or best Instagram live guests are
Speaker 1: either people who are comedic, like George si Vers or
Speaker 1: Josh Sharp, or like Dana Honly like people like that
Speaker 1: in that field or Patty Harrison, or they're like super straight.
Speaker 1: I'm just here, like Alissa Milano is playing straight. Um
Speaker 1: Holloway was straight. I believe Alison Woman was straight. So
Speaker 1: I think it depends on the guests because I tweaked
Speaker 1: my questions too. If the person is pure of heart
Speaker 1: or if they are rotten to the soul like a comedian, right,
Speaker 1: like a comedian. But then so you're saying that there
Speaker 1: is like there is like a short list of guests
Speaker 1: you would want to say for the show, and that
Speaker 1: includes Stacy dash because I agree with you that you
Speaker 1: would want certain there are certain guests that are perfect
Speaker 1: for the Instagram show but not for the eventual TV
Speaker 1: show and not smart. Yeah, I think so, because Stacy
Speaker 1: is a production like the fan fit around her is
Speaker 1: what I'm attracted to. Right, Is she a Trump supporter
Speaker 1: or is she a Republican? I don't know. I think
Speaker 1: she was just an out of you know, working actress,
Speaker 1: um looking. You know, you don't get paid for those
Speaker 1: like you don't get paid for those Fox News appearances.
Speaker 1: Though she was getting paid. She was a question do
Speaker 1: get paid? I think I think that. I think there
Speaker 1: is some money in that. I think it was a
Speaker 1: job for her. I love to ask her and be like,
Speaker 1: so seriously, what's the deal, But I have no clue. Well, um,
Speaker 1: So then you move forward in time to the Real Housewives.
Speaker 1: What was your intro and talk about your favorite franchises
Speaker 1: and moments. My introduction was Beverly Hills, which was just darkness.
Speaker 1: It was. It was the limost episode where she's like
Speaker 1: you still my gosh, damn house. And I have seen
Speaker 1: anything so perturbed on screen before, and it felt so
Speaker 1: real because it's like, even if you're feeding them lines
Speaker 1: as producer like that hatred is something you can never
Speaker 1: write or they're the best places in the world. Um.
Speaker 1: So I watched that and I was like, wow, rage,
Speaker 1: I feel that, And so that was my entrance. And
Speaker 1: then Beverly Hills. Obviously with Clueless, I was just attracted
Speaker 1: to she she she she like how glamorous it was,
Speaker 1: the diamonds and rose of Lisa vander pump Um, the
Speaker 1: Camille Grammar of it all, and Kelsey Grammar being on
Speaker 1: it for like four minutes being like I hate you,
Speaker 1: I'm divorcing you with and leaving all of that. I
Speaker 1: found to be really quite intriguing. Now, how do you
Speaker 1: feel about the way it's developed over time since you've
Speaker 1: been watching it from the beginning. So we sort of
Speaker 1: had that like seed of real because I do agree
Speaker 1: Beverly Hills sort of used to be about the cracks
Speaker 1: in the China if you will, like how how people
Speaker 1: UM try to keep their very very very um actually
Speaker 1: very fragile but high society lives together and what can
Speaker 1: happen when that the underbelly is revealed? So how do
Speaker 1: you feel about UM the Lisa Arena of it all?
Speaker 1: And it's sort of being about like less, let's keep
Speaker 1: it all under the rug and watch it shatter, and
Speaker 1: let's get it all out there and own it now.
Speaker 1: But we're not owning everything inherent because if we pick
Speaker 1: and choose what to own, that is not ownership. That
Speaker 1: is let's producing UM. So I don't like to see
Speaker 1: the seams. I like to see the seams of John
Speaker 1: the producer, telling Denise, I think you're making mistake. Go
Speaker 1: back talk to the girls. I like that. I like
Speaker 1: the production of it all. I'd love to see the
Speaker 1: production schedules and people being like I don't want to
Speaker 1: shoot with X y Z, like let's see that realnus
Speaker 1: of Hollywood. I don't love the like maneuvering of individual
Speaker 1: cast members being like, you tell your secrets because we
Speaker 1: know they exist. Because what we'll find is that a
Speaker 1: lot of because Lisa rana Is is very guarded on
Speaker 1: that show, there's a lot we don't know. We didn't
Speaker 1: know that, um, Harry had a son until yesterday's episode.
Speaker 1: But she's been on the show for five seasons. Um,
Speaker 1: that's just a testament. So so I like, if we're
Speaker 1: gonna be real, let's be fucking real. But I don't
Speaker 1: think that honesty. I don't know. I just don't. I
Speaker 1: just don't entirely by that. I think it's really pointed
Speaker 1: and calculated, but it's it's an honesty that feels very idealistic.
Speaker 1: It's like, I mean, I'm not even someone who watches
Speaker 1: the show, but all like the all the big moments
Speaker 1: of that show post Ranna have been like lie Arena
Speaker 1: at dinner, being like did you guys do cocaine? Like
Speaker 1: it's like all these things where like she's confronting people,
Speaker 1: but it's like, how destructive is that? Actually? It's not
Speaker 1: fully restorative, is it? Yeah? Well, I would love to
Speaker 1: see what would be a great way to turn that
Speaker 1: is to be like, Okay, have you done coke in
Speaker 1: your bathroom? Dereek Comsley and then let's watch to read
Speaker 1: spiral about the fact that the show is coming out
Speaker 1: in six months and she's worried, Let's watch them react
Speaker 1: to like the Twitter, Let's get a camera on them
Speaker 1: when the show is being is on television and seeing
Speaker 1: them like spiral, like let's go to that real nous.
Speaker 1: If we're going to be that honest, let's unveil it entirely.
Speaker 1: But that's just my taste as an undescripted connoisaur. One day,
Speaker 1: I think I'll do undscripted television, but only as like
Speaker 1: a producer like Pa and be in it. I think
Speaker 1: it's really interesting to watch the sort of and there
Speaker 1: was a piece about Lisa, and I believe it was
Speaker 1: Vulture that did it, but it was like about how
Speaker 1: she is like the prototypical castmate as producer in a
Speaker 1: way that's like sort of interesting now in this season
Speaker 1: when sort of the two worlds, the world that appears
Speaker 1: on screen and the world that appears behind the cameras
Speaker 1: um are sort of all falling away, And now there's
Speaker 1: rumors that Lisa Rinna's personal life might be explored next
Speaker 1: season because there's rumors about the Harry Hamlin of it all,
Speaker 1: and maybe they're living in two different homes. And never
Speaker 1: forget the way that she reacted to Kim Richards suggesting
Speaker 1: something about Harry at that dinner when she slammed the
Speaker 1: glass down and said, don't ever talk about my husband
Speaker 1: and Kyle Richards ran out of the room when Kim
Speaker 1: Richards called Eileen Davidson a beast best, how dare you beast?
Speaker 1: I love to see Lisa in a moment, um, don't
Speaker 1: you ever go after my husband? We'll see a Lisa
Speaker 1: in a moment what do you want out? And she's
Speaker 1: like getting up at the table. It was really a beautiful,
Speaker 1: like a beautifully directed scene history. So I think for
Speaker 1: that Lisa Wren has definitely contributed to a lot of chaos.
Speaker 1: I just wonder if she's going to be paying for that. Yes,
Speaker 1: coming karmically, yes, But but the way you seem to
Speaker 1: be talking about this thing where you want to see
Speaker 1: production and the post production aspect of these shows a
Speaker 1: little bit more um to the four and I feel
Speaker 1: like maybe it's fun to even just have like a
Speaker 1: lot of the season be the reunion episodes. Would potentially
Speaker 1: love that. I love the reunions. I'm like women's slide
Speaker 1: me up, like this is a this is great, this
Speaker 1: is entertaining, um. So I would love I would love
Speaker 1: to see the seams of just like who's dressing room
Speaker 1: is bigger than who's, Like, let's do it, let's do it.
Speaker 1: Apparently we're in for some crazy reunions of Beverly Hills
Speaker 1: in New York because some women are not even talking
Speaker 1: to each other. I mean, Lisa Rena was really upset
Speaker 1: about the Beverly Hills reunion and apparently the New York
Speaker 1: reunion is like Ramona's come up and I can't wait
Speaker 1: for Leah. I love Leah. I can't wait for her
Speaker 1: to drag Ramona. I want Ramona. I want Ramona destroyed.
Speaker 1: I really do. Yeah, she I want you to be
Speaker 1: a classist. Like it's like you're You're like, who the
Speaker 1: fund do you think you are? Yeah? So, what what
Speaker 1: are your thoughts on New York? Um? I'm loving New York.
Speaker 1: Um it is it makes me never want to drink again,
Speaker 1: That's true. New York keeps me sober, truly, Like's Morgan
Speaker 1: like throws it back. I'm concerned. Yeah, it's tough and
Speaker 1: it's about it. That's the theme for New York. I
Speaker 1: feel that's like the underlying theme. I mean, I am
Speaker 1: I saying something that we all already know that we've
Speaker 1: that we've known go on. But it's like the Leah,
Speaker 1: the Leah, the Luan and Mastonia and even the Ramona.
Speaker 1: Let's I mean all of them. It's like they all
Speaker 1: have this problem with drinking and with dipping back and
Speaker 1: with falling off the wagon, and it's like this is really, really,
Speaker 1: really fucking dark, and we're arguably Dorinda is the worst. Yeah,
Speaker 1: well you like Direnda. I remember y'all speaking positively about
Speaker 1: Dirinda back we did. She's mean, she's it's it's tough,
Speaker 1: it's dark new Dorinda in your life. I used to
Speaker 1: say I was a little bit of a Dorenda back
Speaker 1: when when she drank it got a little dark, and
Speaker 1: then like now, I don't identify with Drinda at all. Honestly,
Speaker 1: I honestly think that Dorinda needs like to really take
Speaker 1: a break and like figure out what's going on. And
Speaker 1: I don't know if this is cool to say, but
Speaker 1: like my mother and this is I actually watched Real
Speaker 1: Housewives this week with my mother and she's never seen
Speaker 1: it at all. And I watched Beverly Hills and New
Speaker 1: York with her, and we're going to watch Potomac tomorrow.
Speaker 1: But um, I've already seen it, but I watched it
Speaker 1: again with my mother. But my mother was like, well,
Speaker 1: in New York, seems like they have a lot more
Speaker 1: fun together, and I think they might be onto something
Speaker 1: about the menopause. Like when Sonja and Ramona were talking
Speaker 1: about how possibly Dorinda maybe going through menopause and they
Speaker 1: wanted to bring that up with her, and my mother
Speaker 1: literally said, that's what I was just gonna say, so
Speaker 1: that could be. Like I hadn't even thought of that,
Speaker 1: because why would I think of that? But my mother,
Speaker 1: as a woman that age, was like, yeah, that's clearly
Speaker 1: to me. What's going on? Oh wow, wow, Hey I
Speaker 1: have something to look forward to. Hey, getting to pop
Speaker 1: off after wondering, I can't wait. I look forward to
Speaker 1: the day. Who who do you identify with on Roney?
Speaker 1: Aliah You're a Leiah. You're very much Aliah. I I
Speaker 1: say it like it is, And if you don't like me,
Speaker 1: it's like I elevate this ship, like then that's your
Speaker 1: taste level. Yeah, you're new, you're exciting, you're fresh, and
Speaker 1: you you have the back. I'm I'm a Carol, your Carol. Well,
Speaker 1: I I was team Carroll. I think Carol was right
Speaker 1: and then we were both Team Carroll. Yeah, we're about
Speaker 1: Team Carroll obviously and want to get into a five. Well.
Speaker 1: I actually think that's why Bethany ended up leaving was
Speaker 1: a result of the fallout from that storyline, which was
Speaker 1: a lot of people calling out the fact that they
Speaker 1: could see Bethany working to make that fight work, because
Speaker 1: she was looking really ugly in that, like when she
Speaker 1: said to Early you don't have a career like that
Speaker 1: was really messy. And I think that while Bethany, while
Speaker 1: Bethany is like um, someone that the fan base is
Speaker 1: never going to be ready to let go of, and
Speaker 1: she would have to up to leave, I think she
Speaker 1: sensed a turn in the way that she knows how
Speaker 1: to play the game on the show and the way
Speaker 1: it's received now, and I think ultimately like that, combined
Speaker 1: with the fact that her personal life is just so fraught,
Speaker 1: she was done. She had to walk away. It's better
Speaker 1: to walk out on top. That's gonna be my catchphrase
Speaker 1: when I do a Housewives of Brooklyn. Alright, I'm leaving
Speaker 1: in six episodes. You would do six and that would
Speaker 1: be and that would be like all you would get
Speaker 1: out of it for your own personal because it's like
Speaker 1: you're if you're on more than a season, they're gonna
Speaker 1: come for your life. I've demons. I also do think
Speaker 1: that Bethany made one final genius move in her tenure
Speaker 1: at Real High School of New York, which was discover
Speaker 1: ring Leah. And now she can say the show is
Speaker 1: still only good because of me, you know what I mean?
Speaker 1: Like she she she put that in there at the
Speaker 1: last second. She was like, remember me, bitch, here's a
Speaker 1: smaller version of me, a younger version of me, who
Speaker 1: will the audience will become obsessed with. And I do
Speaker 1: think Leah has the potential to become the next Bethany.
Speaker 1: Leah is absolutely taking the throne. And that's why Ramona shook. Yeah,
Speaker 1: you're right, You're right. And Ramona was always about pleasing Bethany.
Speaker 1: It was always about seeking some sort of validation from Bethany.
Speaker 1: And it was never hers to lose. It was like
Speaker 1: Taylor Swift's August, it was never Ramotus to lose the throne.
Speaker 1: W thank you. I think it's time to move on.
Speaker 1: But this reminds me of and I don't think so, honey,
Speaker 1: um sort of moment in history which is when ze
Speaker 1: Way pulled Sasha and Aliah Obama out of the troll
Speaker 1: Bowl and refused to play the game. I don't think so, honey,
Speaker 1: she said, I don't think so, honey. I'm not doing
Speaker 1: this and screamed into the mic for nearly a whole minute,
Speaker 1: and we had to just accept that the Way was
Speaker 1: not playing ball with I don't think so, honey, Sasha
Speaker 1: Emilia revolutionary what we did it? So I was like,
Speaker 1: I was like, you know what, that's a good way
Speaker 1: to go out. No, oh, my God's way when we
Speaker 1: do it again. No, I mean that was that was
Speaker 1: a historic moment and an archaic revolutionary. You put us
Speaker 1: in our place. We had no right to We had
Speaker 1: no right to ask you to do that. It was
Speaker 1: totally on brand. Fiew. Well we did, and the troll
Speaker 1: ball asked you to do that. Yeah, I think I
Speaker 1: picked one from the troull ball and I didn't know
Speaker 1: who it was. It was like a theater person. And
Speaker 1: then I picked black woman at all costs. Yes, I
Speaker 1: get it, and it was very right of you to
Speaker 1: say fuck no to the system. Um, and who knows,
Speaker 1: maybe we'll see it again. But Bowen, what is I
Speaker 1: don't think so honey, I don't think so honey. Is
Speaker 1: our segment where we take one minute to rail against
Speaker 1: something in the culture while saying the words I don't think,
Speaker 1: so honey. Um, so Matt, I think you have something
Speaker 1: I do. I just want to say it before I
Speaker 1: do it. I do not think so honey, Bill Clinton,
Speaker 1: and I don't think we should be hanging on to
Speaker 1: Bill Clinton. And I really think we need to fucking
Speaker 1: move on as a country. And I'm sure you agree
Speaker 1: with the way. I would love to interview Bill. I
Speaker 1: think you would be an iconic guest. And that's her
Speaker 1: way of saying that she agrees with me. But I
Speaker 1: do I did prepare another one. Okay, wonderful. This is
Speaker 1: Matt Rodgers. I don't think so honey, and his time
Speaker 1: starts now. I don't think so honey. Ring Tones being
Speaker 1: able to be heard, sounds being on on your phone,
Speaker 1: I don't think so honey, ring tones not on bop
Speaker 1: in the bunch, it's all dang. It sucks you think
Speaker 1: of hell when a ring tone plays, because ring tones
Speaker 1: are commonly I don't think so honey. Alarm clocks, which
Speaker 1: are and wake you up. I don't think so honey,
Speaker 1: ring tones when they're on. I'm being around my parents
Speaker 1: a lot and they have the sounds on all the time,
Speaker 1: and I'm like, dear God, everyone is right next to you.
Speaker 1: Maybe you could just turn it on silent or vibrate.
Speaker 1: These things vibrates so loud. Anyway, I don't think so
Speaker 1: many that we need them to be on. They are
Speaker 1: so annoying. There's not one cool ring tone sound. Honestly,
Speaker 1: how about this, Turn your ring tone on and all
Speaker 1: of a sudden whop plays by Megan the Stallion and
Speaker 1: Cardi b Just kidding, because then I'd be irritated with
Speaker 1: because it's a ring tone. I don't ring tones, only
Speaker 1: silent tones, a k A. Nothing. I don't think so, honey.
Speaker 1: And that's one minute. So you're saying anything that's a
Speaker 1: ring tone is automatically like invalid. It's it's you can't
Speaker 1: phone sounds are out, they're canceled, they're done. Stop And
Speaker 1: I'm telling you, when you get a text and it
Speaker 1: goes shut up, it is so annoying. And now that
Speaker 1: you know you're texting with someone, guess what you can do?
Speaker 1: Turn your ring tone sound off. Like now you know
Speaker 1: that you're in the middle of a conversation you're engaging
Speaker 1: with someone. Just do that. I don't need to hear
Speaker 1: the ring of ling a ling a linga. Yeah, yeah,
Speaker 1: you feel this way. I feel this way. I really do.
Speaker 1: I have nothing to add. I'm just supporting you. Thank
Speaker 1: you as well, and with that support, gonna We're gonna move.
Speaker 1: Did you still call yourself an iconic guest? Ring Tones? Oh,
Speaker 1: would be an iconic guest. I would love to Tones
Speaker 1: to the Instagram. I would love to bring myself to
Speaker 1: the Instagram live show like buy if I brought myself
Speaker 1: to like my people, I mean, who would be who
Speaker 1: would be the Will cheer Jada in that situation? Like
Speaker 1: it would be it would be like your parents or
Speaker 1: something like like who would that be? I don't know,
Speaker 1: maybe like like an ex boyfriend who has seen me
Speaker 1: at my worst? Yeah, oh that's fine, could bring you
Speaker 1: to the Red Table. Yeah? Do you watch The Red Table? Yeah?
Speaker 1: I watch I watched the like the hits, like the
Speaker 1: Jordan's one. Yeah, I watched that one. It's like, so
Speaker 1: you saw Will and Jada when they brought themselves to
Speaker 1: the Red Table. Of course, it was really dramatic and intense.
Speaker 1: I felt like I was a boy year like I
Speaker 1: I didn't think I should it so intimate. That's what
Speaker 1: I want to see in real housewibs, Well, what was like?
Speaker 1: I think Vulture wrote about how like that was very
Speaker 1: unusual in terms of celebrity marriage culture, where it's like
Speaker 1: you never really get to see a conversation like this,
Speaker 1: like like like the one that Jada and Well had
Speaker 1: because we're so we're so sort of trained in this
Speaker 1: traditional media sense that like marriages go through a hardship
Speaker 1: in this model. But I mean that was, like, I
Speaker 1: thought that was pretty huge, and that was all anyone
Speaker 1: talked about that day. It was iconic. It was iconic.
Speaker 1: I I, when I get a divorce, you better believe
Speaker 1: I'm going to milk that on my daytime talk show. Honey,
Speaker 1: m Yeah, it's gonna be a topic of your own
Speaker 1: entanglements will be unentangled. Um okay, So, Bowe Yang, are
Speaker 1: you ready with your I don't think so, honey, I'm ready.
Speaker 1: Well that's good because this is Bowen Yang's I don't
Speaker 1: think so, honey. His time starts now. I don't think
Speaker 1: so many people saying I can't believe in you. We
Speaker 1: have to save the postal service. It's like, get over
Speaker 1: your fucking like snarky ass like disbelief. Who cares. We
Speaker 1: are beyond disbelief at this point, Like every other dystopic
Speaker 1: thing has led us up to this point, that should
Speaker 1: come as no surprise. Absolute power, absolute corruption should come
Speaker 1: as no surprise. So yes, buy a sheet of stamps,
Speaker 1: but don't fucking like roll your eyes on ridiculous. The
Speaker 1: circumstances are thank you're at unfortunately, so yes, there's no
Speaker 1: need for like a snide comment on it. I don't.
Speaker 1: You don't have to editorialize your own responsibility, as it were,
Speaker 1: and it is an unfortunate responsibility to to help the
Speaker 1: postal services funding. I mean, it sucks. It's unfortunate. You
Speaker 1: do not have to contribute to the conversation by saying,
Speaker 1: isn't this crazy? I'm so over this. No, you're not.
Speaker 1: You're you are pressed under the thumb of fascism. And
Speaker 1: that's one minute. Yeah we should um, thank you Boonen
Speaker 1: for bringing that up, because the United States postal services
Speaker 1: under attack. It's being dismantled as we speak, and Trump
Speaker 1: is gaslighting the country by tweeting save the post Office,
Speaker 1: and he will try to blame it on the Democrats
Speaker 1: is and entirely of his own making. And we have
Speaker 1: to like honestly support this and everywhere we can. And
Speaker 1: it's not just buying stamps and sending money directly, like
Speaker 1: do do the most to say the least. I'm staying,
Speaker 1: there's just and this is not like a weird dumb
Speaker 1: in fighty thing. It's like I'm saying, there's just like
Speaker 1: weird sort of uh notion around people being like, wow,
Speaker 1: can you believe this? This is the world we're in.
Speaker 1: It's like, yeah, it is, unfortunately, but like you don't
Speaker 1: have to remark on it. It's wompwomp culture, and it's
Speaker 1: it's so annoying. It's wompwomp. Can you believe this culture?
Speaker 1: It's like, yeah, believe we're we've been believing it. Believe it. Yeah,
Speaker 1: It's like what what could have ever led to this
Speaker 1: moment in time? It's like everything have you read that? Everything?
Speaker 1: The book? Like, what are you talking about this? There
Speaker 1: are no surprises here? Yeah, exactly exactly way this is
Speaker 1: is this is going to be you'd be an iconic
Speaker 1: guest this, this would be an iconic I don't think so, honey,
Speaker 1: This is the uways. I don't think so, honey. Hard
Speaker 1: time starts now, Okay, I don't think so honey. Unpaid
Speaker 1: black labor. You guys got me on here writing joke.
Speaker 1: You what in the world am I getting paid from? Honey?
Speaker 1: Are you cutting it? Because I want I am a
Speaker 1: black woman, I have forever, and I deserve to be
Speaker 1: made for my time, and I don't think so honey
Speaker 1: is asking me to do work. And this goes out
Speaker 1: to all the black ladies out there who are working
Speaker 1: for free. Don't do it, and Matt in your lives,
Speaker 1: thank you, thank you so much for the offer. But
Speaker 1: I think I'm going to pass this time. Every day
Speaker 1: I learned a lesson, so you don't have to. So
Speaker 1: this is really to submit to the fact that I
Speaker 1: have to work for free right now and also frequently.
Speaker 1: And so we'll stop because we have to unite together
Speaker 1: and unionize. Five seconds, Viva People, and that's all culture
Speaker 1: number seventy seven. V Viva that people. Might be a
Speaker 1: good title of Viva people is a good title up
Speaker 1: the way, I want you to name a number. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I wonder know how much do you want for that?
Speaker 1: Seven dollars? No, we can't spend seven grand for the
Speaker 1: whole episode. High this I have to get z Jr. No, Matt,
Speaker 1: that's Matt. I reject the notion that Matt thinks it's
Speaker 1: too high. You think that seven thousand dollars is what
Speaker 1: Zo deserves for this podcast episode. I am not the
Speaker 1: person to praise Instagram and Twitter, but I do you
Speaker 1: think that I'm worth seven thousand dollars? We're going to
Speaker 1: figure this out. We're going to figure this well has
Speaker 1: that expensible income? So I actually don't. I actually do not.
Speaker 1: I am bone dry cash wise at the moment, and
Speaker 1: yet here he is offering up so I guess he
Speaker 1: thinks that I'm going to take this one on the him.
Speaker 1: It's it's no, no, no, no, Oh my god. Right, okay,
Speaker 1: this is what I was saying earlier. Grafting on a
Speaker 1: victim and narrative is so dangerous when you are not
Speaker 1: the victim. The question for both of you who aren't victims,
Speaker 1: what is a black woman worth everything? Everything? Check your
Speaker 1: v MO, check your gun, nothing, Oh my god. Working
Speaker 1: out is the way. We're so sorry that we had
Speaker 1: we had brought you onto the show under the pretenses
Speaker 1: of unpaid black labor. And we will. We are at
Speaker 1: the problem. We will make it. We will make we
Speaker 1: will do right by that. Ultimately, you actually played right
Speaker 1: into the trap because you give us an amazing I
Speaker 1: don't think so honey, And thank you for everyone, everyone,
Speaker 1: everyone stops turn this off and not jumps amazing. I
Speaker 1: don't think so honey, an amazing whole episode. Who is you?
Speaker 1: Damn thanks for having me. This is so far we
Speaker 1: love so great? Um is that when you but is
Speaker 1: that the quote the pull quote from the things, so,
Speaker 1: honey was black women don't say this was so fun?
Speaker 1: Things for the offer? Oh no, but that was when
Speaker 1: the that was when the offer goes out right you.
Speaker 1: Oh no, you're right. I did actually just repeat I
Speaker 1: did do that. That's the conditioning, that's the tragedy. Eve internalized,
Speaker 1: Eve internalized dead. We all have to examine this, right.
Speaker 1: We're are part of the problem. I am part of
Speaker 1: the problem every day. Um well, listen, you're an absolute
Speaker 1: fool if you're not following at z way and at
Speaker 1: a f Really, there's what was taken. I am currently
Speaker 1: in a war with the woman who has z A
Speaker 1: z way on Instagram. Um, I she has blocked me
Speaker 1: on my main and I every day listening. Please support
Speaker 1: a Nigerian woman. Please do it for the community, do
Speaker 1: it for culture. You're you're you know you are part
Speaker 1: of the solution. You could be the John F. Kennedy
Speaker 1: to my Martin Luther King. Think about it, Think about it.
Speaker 1: I do want to really quickly mention um that this
Speaker 1: is this is a SoundBite that's really like bounced around
Speaker 1: in my brain for years now. One of the first
Speaker 1: beated episodes of this was with Michael Antonucci, who we love,
Speaker 1: and at one point you talked to him about like
Speaker 1: dating black women, and then no, no, no, you talked
Speaker 1: to him about like how you make him feel, and
Speaker 1: then he just stammers a bit and then you go, what,
Speaker 1: don't be intimidated by a strong black woe. The way
Speaker 1: you said it is so so so perfect, It's so good,
Speaker 1: and like that was the moment that was before I
Speaker 1: met you, That was at the moment before I came
Speaker 1: into the above averages offices. I think, and I's like,
Speaker 1: who is this person? And like she's so we're happy
Speaker 1: to know you, and we celebrate you, and we direct
Speaker 1: everyone too at zy F because that battle is not
Speaker 1: yet one. But don't be surprised. Over the coming days,
Speaker 1: all of a sudden, it's at z Way, but for
Speaker 1: now it's at DyF Thursday nights is bated. It's at
Speaker 1: eight pm Eastern Standard Time because she's a Brooklyn girl.
Speaker 1: So tune the hell in for all of those amazing
Speaker 1: episodes and follow everything. That's the way does what do
Speaker 1: you say? Um? And um? We do end every episode
Speaker 1: with a song, and I feel it's only right. Two
Speaker 1: allows the way to do this song and you know
Speaker 1: what song we're talking about? Shop? Do I sing it? Okay,
Speaker 1: sing it? Do it? Every episode in the song. I
Speaker 1: listened to the episodes, but not all the way through.
Speaker 1: They're like a yes there, bye bye