Speaker 1: Hello the Internet, and welcome to this special holiday episode
Speaker 1: of Dirnis Guys. It's a production of iHeartRadio. This is
Speaker 1: the podcast where you take a deep dive into America's
Speaker 1: shared consciousness. Usually for the holidays, we take a deep
Speaker 1: dive into America's shared Christmas spirit, the Christmas Geist in German.
Speaker 1: That's a direct pronunciation translation.
Speaker 2: The format of these episodes is something Jack and I
Speaker 2: have talked about for maybe since we met Chris and
Speaker 2: we realized he hasn't seen nothing, he hasn't seen shit.
Speaker 2: Man from the we.
Speaker 3: Were talking about you doing a yeah, like a podcast
Speaker 3: where I watch old.
Speaker 1: Movies and like just talking to you.
Speaker 2: You mean ship like alone. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah that
Speaker 2: was big jo.
Speaker 3: I got to watch it.
Speaker 1: My name is Jack O'Brien and I'm joined, as it was,
Speaker 1: by my co host, mister Miles.
Speaker 2: Yes sure, yes, yes, here we are, here we are,
Speaker 2: and for.
Speaker 1: This very special holiday episode, we're calling Christmas blind Spots.
Speaker 1: We've got a hilarious stand up comedian, actor, musician, one
Speaker 1: of the very faces on Mountain Zeitemore. You can listen
Speaker 1: to his podcast, Coldbrew Got Me Like anywhere. The poetry
Speaker 1: window is open because it's Chris, motherfucker craft, Chris, what's
Speaker 1: up the.
Speaker 3: Mother?
Speaker 2: Correct, Chris, you haven't seen a lot of movies. You've
Speaker 2: had a you've had a life. Maybe you've had a life.
Speaker 2: Life was lifing. Every time I feel like I've been
Speaker 2: we've referenced a movie and you like, haven't seen it.
Speaker 2: You're like I was. I was drinking and thought being
Speaker 2: a rock star was cool. It's some version of that
Speaker 2: as well.
Speaker 3: Yes, like during the nineties I was doing Charles Bukowski
Speaker 3: in the sense that I was like, the meaning is
Speaker 3: in bars, not in theaters, Like everyone knows what's gonna
Speaker 3: happen in the theater or in a bar. You never
Speaker 3: know what kind of random poetry is going to go
Speaker 3: down or whatever. You know, which, of course you know
Speaker 3: it's not true. Really, I mean, you know.
Speaker 2: Did you have like an idealized thing you thought would
Speaker 2: happen at the bar? They'd be like, this is fucking why, man.
Speaker 3: It happened, but then you didn't remember it if you've
Speaker 3: usually missed it like or somehow forgot it. If it
Speaker 3: wasn't and it just turns out, it's like the revelations
Speaker 3: in a bar are fairly repetitive. Repetitive, even more repetitive
Speaker 3: than movies, you know what I mean. So it's like
Speaker 3: it turns out.
Speaker 1: You know, I'm drinking, and you like start hanging around
Speaker 1: people who are drinking, you do the repetition. You're like,
Speaker 1: oh man, you guys say the same shit over and
Speaker 1: over and over again. Yes, wild and not like.
Speaker 3: Just like drinking, like having a drink, like I mean,
Speaker 3: like going out every night and getting drunk because you
Speaker 3: think that there's something mystical about that, and you know
Speaker 3: it always ends up with frozen pizza and you know
Speaker 3: it's not that mystical. Really, it's just not. And so
Speaker 3: but I did, like I was like, oh, you go
Speaker 3: to the movies, you sell out piece of shit, you know,
Speaker 3: like have a fun time at the movies. You basic bitch.
Speaker 3: They didn't invented that term basic bitch yet.
Speaker 2: But yeah, but that was the vibe.
Speaker 1: But then you forgot that you invented it. You never
Speaker 1: trade mine.
Speaker 3: I invented basic bitch in nineteen ninety.
Speaker 1: But so to turn you around on on this misguided
Speaker 1: idea that people go into the movies were sell out capitalists,
Speaker 1: we thought we would show you a home alone, a
Speaker 1: movie with really good politics and no weird capitalist messaging
Speaker 1: at all. Just a quick background. I mean, everybody knows it,
Speaker 1: but I don't know that people quite know that. So
Speaker 1: when it came out, it was a massive hit, to
Speaker 1: the point that so it came out in November, it
Speaker 1: was like the number one movie at the box office
Speaker 1: leg every week for a number of weeks. But it
Speaker 1: stayed in theaters until Easter. People were like seeing it
Speaker 1: shit in the spring, going to see it, like well
Speaker 1: after the Christmas season.
Speaker 2: That's like having your Christmas lights up until Easter. Basically
Speaker 2: like the movie at Cleveland, like yeah, you know what,
Speaker 2: fuck it, let's watch a Christmas movie.
Speaker 1: You can all right, I feel attacked now.
Speaker 3: I was at the FAZI concert.
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, exactly, and that yeah, yeah, you were doing
Speaker 1: you were out doing cool shit. So you missed this.
Speaker 1: But I think that's what's exciting to us about this
Speaker 1: premise is that, like you're coming to this movie that
Speaker 1: I've seen so many times that things like his cousin
Speaker 1: calling him you're what the French call les is like
Speaker 1: so burned in my fucking brain that like it's like
Speaker 1: a part of me.
Speaker 3: Like burned in your brain. You say it to your
Speaker 3: own kids.
Speaker 1: I say all the time to my kids.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I say that ship to my friends. Still we
Speaker 2: still say that ship to it. Oh you're such a disease.
Speaker 2: We'll say, like you did, you little jerk. I don't
Speaker 2: even know when it comes out, but this shit comes out.
Speaker 2: That's why it's so funny, because like on this side
Speaker 2: of the equation, Chris, it's it's so ingrained in our
Speaker 2: brains that we don't realize how much it is. Because also,
Speaker 2: I think, at least for me specifically too, I was
Speaker 2: six years old when this came out, and this was
Speaker 2: like a film that was like being a fucking wild
Speaker 2: kid is sick as fuck and you can beat the
Speaker 2: shit out of adults because you're smarter because you're a
Speaker 2: fun kid. And it was just Kevin mccallison was like
Speaker 2: my fucking idol for like years.
Speaker 1: Wow. The number one thing I would do if my
Speaker 1: parents weren't around is I would run around my house
Speaker 1: with my hands over my head.
Speaker 2: Gone, ah hell yeah, dude.
Speaker 1: I will say at the time that it came out
Speaker 1: because it has been adopted as a Christmas classic, Like
Speaker 1: it's just one of those movies that people like put
Speaker 1: on lists of like the top Christmas movies. At the
Speaker 1: time it came out, reviews were mixed. I remember that
Speaker 1: because I was a weird kid who like read movie
Speaker 1: reviews before, like even of movies I wouldn't see.
Speaker 2: Oh so you're like ten years old when this comes out,
Speaker 2: ten years old through the calendar section.
Speaker 1: Nine years old and thumbing through the life section of
Speaker 1: the Dayton Daily News that was just like, get get
Speaker 1: this front page news out of my way. I want
Speaker 1: to see. It was like a little magazine shaped insert.
Speaker 1: It would like give you the movie reviews of the
Speaker 1: latest movies, and I remember this one getting like two
Speaker 1: stars or something, and looking back, Owen Gleibman from Entertainment
Speaker 1: Weekly accused the film of adult bashing, which is what
Speaker 1: is an adults or like a persecutive minority group.
Speaker 2: Trying that one on adults. Yeah, that's.
Speaker 3: That's like Russ. That's kind of stuff Russ doubt at
Speaker 3: does now.
Speaker 1: Yes, exactly right, right, But like there are on the
Speaker 1: Wikipedia page for Home Alone, you learned that like in
Speaker 1: Poland and Romania, the holiday tradition is that like the
Speaker 1: main TV channel shows it every Christmas Eve. There's like,
Speaker 1: you know, everybody watches Home Alone one year they didn't
Speaker 1: show it. There was like a outraged Facebook hit, like
Speaker 1: ninety thousand people protested, like online, And it's the same
Speaker 1: similar in Romania, like people are.
Speaker 3: That's like when people get mad in America because like,
Speaker 3: like the only kind of activism Americans do is when
Speaker 3: they like cancel their favorite TV show.
Speaker 1: Yeah, sending in angry letters to fucking network TV. When
Speaker 1: Janet Jackson's boob gets exposed.
Speaker 3: The closest we came to like a social revolution was
Speaker 3: when the finale of Game of Thrones sucked, right, So, yeah,
Speaker 3: I was much older, So I mean obviously, like you know,
Speaker 3: I feel the same way, like I love John Denver
Speaker 3: because I heard him when I was you know, if
Speaker 3: I was seventeen when John Denver was putting out records,
Speaker 3: I would have been listening to like, you know, Steppenwolf
Speaker 3: or something and thought John Denver is for losers. So
Speaker 3: I mean there was an age different. I was forty
Speaker 3: eight when this film came out, but so no, was
Speaker 3: I was twenty one. I was twenty one. Oh, so
Speaker 3: it was a whole different.
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, god, you were dude. I can only imagine
Speaker 2: how fuck home alone you were at this point when
Speaker 2: you said you were really getting fuck getting drunk and
Speaker 2: anti everything.
Speaker 3: I was just sort of leaving the home alone demographic
Speaker 3: in New Canaan that. I mean, this movie made me
Speaker 3: think of where I grew up, except like to have
Speaker 3: a house this nice, your family wouldn't be this nice,
Speaker 3: you know. So like, you know, I was just leaving
Speaker 3: this andto I had only seen Peugazi like that. That
Speaker 3: year I saw Melvin's for the first time.
Speaker 2: That Repeater just came out. Yeah, what's that said? Repeater
Speaker 2: just came out that year.
Speaker 3: Yeah, And it was like that. I was just like
Speaker 3: sort of leaving the just deciding like, oh wait, like
Speaker 3: I don't know what. I don't know that I would
Speaker 3: have would have gotten some heavy capitalist message out of
Speaker 3: it or anything seeing this movie, but it was just
Speaker 3: like I was just in the middle of So I
Speaker 3: understand why you guys, you know, saw it and and
Speaker 3: and you know probably loved it. You know, I can
Speaker 3: see how you would love it. It's got certain qualities
Speaker 3: to it. It actually feels like you're in a big
Speaker 3: It feels like you're rich while you're watching it.
Speaker 1: I feel like that is that is what it does.
Speaker 1: It makes you feel like you're rich. And also I
Speaker 1: will say the people who aren't rich in this movie
Speaker 1: are fucking idiots. They're like always the bad guy, Like
Speaker 1: they're always like like the people who work at the
Speaker 1: store when he accidentally shoplifts the toothbrush, or like you know,
Speaker 1: the mall, Santa any anybody who's like, we're you know,
Speaker 1: the people who work at the airline, airline attend and cops,
Speaker 1: the pizza guy. They're just like, look at this friend
Speaker 1: jufist the entire nation of France. The shuttle driver of
Speaker 1: this little kid's like, what kind of gas mile did
Speaker 1: you get on that? An objectively cute question. He's just like,
Speaker 1: beat it, kid, I'm fuck out of here, you little shit.
Speaker 1: It's it does seem to have a certain view of
Speaker 1: basically even like there's an uncle who's like kind of
Speaker 1: the poor asshole for being poor, Like he's just like,
Speaker 1: you know, cheap and won't spend money, and then like
Speaker 1: his brother who like that. There's been articles speculating like
Speaker 1: how the fuck are these people making their money?
Speaker 2: Yeah, automating France, right, that.
Speaker 3: Was the first thing I noticed. I mean I was
Speaker 3: just like, they have so they're burning so much electricity
Speaker 3: in this house. That's the first thing I noticed. I mean,
Speaker 3: that house is lit up like I mean like they're
Speaker 3: trying to throw money out the window. And you start
Speaker 3: to think, wow, houses are pretty and they're lit up
Speaker 3: like that, and then you think how deranged that is?
Speaker 2: Right?
Speaker 3: I mean, if you go back and watch the movie,
Speaker 3: which I watched yesterday for the first time, the first
Speaker 3: thing I was like, I was like, this is an
Speaker 3: advertisement for excessive electricity use first and foremost, and it
Speaker 3: makes you feel likes electricity use would make you feel better,
Speaker 3: like spiritually. And that's the thing is that house is
Speaker 3: like a beacon of capitalism, and I don't like that
Speaker 3: is really what it reminded me of being in a
Speaker 3: house like in my hometown of New Canaan, Connecticut, where
Speaker 3: I would go over to the ultra wealthy's house and
Speaker 3: our house was fine. You know, it was not a
Speaker 3: bad house, but it was not one of these kind
Speaker 3: of houses where it's just like everything's brand new.
Speaker 1: It's like a monument to Christmas, and yeah, everything's brand
Speaker 1: fucking use the rugs match.
Speaker 2: You're like, wait, you just buy all your rugs at
Speaker 2: the same time to match in your house.
Speaker 3: These were kind of houses where they would run out
Speaker 3: of a box of cereal when I was there, and
Speaker 3: then they would go into this pantry and there'd be
Speaker 3: like five boxes of that same cereal on backup. Like
Speaker 3: our family, we definitely only had one box or one
Speaker 3: item of whatever we had. We had to go get
Speaker 3: another one after we ran out. Yes, this family, and
Speaker 3: it does. I wanted to go to those people's houses
Speaker 3: because I felt safe. It was the only place I
Speaker 3: felt safe, you know, Like you know, like imagine if
Speaker 3: you spilled as much milk as as Macaulay Culkin does
Speaker 3: in that scene in my house, that was like enough
Speaker 3: to like cause a divorce. But you know what I mean,
Speaker 3: Like in their house, they were like just get someone
Speaker 3: to clean it up or whatever was hire somebody to
Speaker 3: clean up the milk. I mean, it's like it feels
Speaker 3: good and the like I remember as a kid though,
Speaker 3: being in those houses, and that's what I felt like
Speaker 3: this movie. Actually, I could see revisiting this movie as
Speaker 3: a tradition because it makes you feel safe. It shows
Speaker 3: you the America you wish or you thought or you
Speaker 3: wanted to exist, you know. And but the thing is,
Speaker 3: that's what's funny about it to me, is I knew
Speaker 3: the houses that were like I was in them, but
Speaker 3: the people inside were not nice because to get that
Speaker 3: kind of money, you're not going to be like playful.
Speaker 2: Or he might leave your.
Speaker 3: Kid behind, but then you blame it on your kid,
Speaker 3: or you just like, you know, like we're gonna stay
Speaker 3: away extra because you're such an irresponsible Actually.
Speaker 2: We're going to go to France. Why don't you stay here?
Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean.
Speaker 1: Really, Yeah. I think I talked about this on last
Speaker 1: year's Christmas episodes, but I do think she left him
Speaker 1: on purpose, Like there's I don't think she consciously knew
Speaker 1: she was doing it, but she does realize she's doing
Speaker 1: it on some level, because when she has the revelation,
Speaker 1: it's not like she goes back and counts the kids.
Speaker 1: She there's a nagging thought in the back of her mind.
Speaker 1: And during those opening scenes, she fucking hates him so much. Yeah,
Speaker 1: everybody hates him so much in those opening scenes, and
Speaker 1: it does feel like there's a part of her unconscious
Speaker 1: that was like, we should just fucking leave this kid,
Speaker 1: and like that was going.
Speaker 3: To Tucker Carlson and those scenes, yeah, those are the way.
Speaker 3: That's the way Tucker Carlson grew up and dad was like, yeah,
Speaker 3: we left you behind on purpose because we're warming you up. Yeah,
Speaker 3: boarding school.
Speaker 2: But his mom did leave is the one I think
Speaker 2: is the one who left France for France.
Speaker 3: Oh my god alone.
Speaker 1: We need to look up what Tuger Carlson thinks of
Speaker 1: the movie Home Alone left by his mom.
Speaker 2: To go to France for France. You must hate that ship,
Speaker 2: hot Tucker.
Speaker 1: But also like living probably this wasn't weren't they like
Speaker 1: the Air to the Ons, the Swans and.
Speaker 3: Oh yeah, yeah, I grew up surrounded by those fucks
Speaker 3: and uh and uh you know I saw I saw,
Speaker 3: like you know, just like they leave their kids alone
Speaker 3: from for weeks while they went to like Saint Bart's
Speaker 3: and stuff like you know, like I mean they so
Speaker 3: this is like such a benevolent version of that, Like
Speaker 3: I mean, this family at least.
Speaker 2: You know, gives to bring the kids, yeah.
Speaker 3: Gives a ship about it, like you know. But yeah,
Speaker 3: just just the wealth was the first thing that stood
Speaker 3: out to me. I was like, this is like, this
Speaker 3: is crazy, and yeah, all the people who are in
Speaker 3: the middle class still like in a decent mood, you know,
Speaker 3: taking ship from kids about what the mileage is or whatever,
Speaker 3: you know, because they're like still have like.
Speaker 2: A yeah job, could you could survive off of those
Speaker 2: wages somewhat?
Speaker 3: Yeah, and you can go to the local bar and
Speaker 3: have some self esteem like because you had a good
Speaker 3: blue collar job and a nice mustache. Then that's all gone,
Speaker 3: you know.
Speaker 1: But those guys Santa, the smoking Santa, mall Santa. The
Speaker 1: person who tried out for that and didn't get it
Speaker 1: was Chris Farley. He was actually tried out for that
Speaker 1: role and shri Chris Columbus was like, no, thank you,
Speaker 1: but yeah, he's just like, kid, I don't know, here's
Speaker 1: a here's a fucking tic tac. You know. It's like
Speaker 1: it is like a cautionary tale of like he's safe
Speaker 1: and protecting this like warm cocoon of like capitalist wealth
Speaker 1: and consumption. And then like he like goes out into
Speaker 1: the scary world and like interacts with these middle class
Speaker 1: like wage workers, and they're all just like here you go.
Speaker 1: This is what I give my kid for Christmas? A
Speaker 1: fucking tick tac. Oh. Yeah.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 1: Brian's point that all of this is if you are white,
Speaker 1: there's a there's a big if you're a white thing
Speaker 1: going on in this movie. There are no people of
Speaker 1: color in this movie except for the life size cutout
Speaker 1: of Michael Jordan that he uses to trick the trick.
Speaker 3: I noticed that too, like it. Like usually they would
Speaker 3: be even in nineteen ninety, they'd be like, we should
Speaker 3: probably put someone on one like.
Speaker 1: Michael Jordan, but the on paper as a print out.
Speaker 1: But you're right that like the people who are you know,
Speaker 1: lower class, they're at least somewhat helpful and like get
Speaker 1: you know, doing their job. And the one group that
Speaker 1: is the robbers, you know, the robbers who are like
Speaker 1: I'm I'm going to break the rules and go in
Speaker 1: and steal all this good stuff is that's even though
Speaker 1: I didn't work for it, looking low class dental work.
Speaker 3: Well, I don't know if we're going to go through it,
Speaker 3: but since you bring up the robbers, I'm just going
Speaker 3: to say I realized that the robbers are Antifa.
Speaker 2: Well, maybe we should go in this movie because it
Speaker 2: sounds like you've got notes, Chris, and I'm I think
Speaker 2: we're fascinated to know what lies within those notes.
Speaker 3: Well, it's it's already like it's already been I'm I'm already.
Speaker 3: Now I know what to watch if I ever feel like,
Speaker 3: if I want to feel safe, I watched this movie,
Speaker 3: and I feel like I'm in a big brick house
Speaker 3: where the worst thing that could happen is like some
Speaker 3: people who are going to France forget me and then
Speaker 3: come back and yeah.
Speaker 2: And.
Speaker 3: A wheel of brie or whatever they brought back to France.
Speaker 1: All right, let's take a quick break, we'll come back.
Speaker 1: We'll start going through the movie. Uh, and yeah, we'll
Speaker 1: be right back.
Speaker 2: And we're back. We're back, Hello, hello, hello. Uh to
Speaker 2: go through it should maybe just I can I can
Speaker 2: just read a bit a chunk of plot and you
Speaker 2: can see what what what's drummed up? Does that work
Speaker 2: for you, Chris, just so we can kind of stay chronological,
Speaker 2: because I know you've gotten notes script. Yeah, so let's
Speaker 2: just go with plot from Wikipedia, dot com, dot org,
Speaker 2: dot net.
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Speaker 2: Here we go. The Mcalliser family prepares to spend Christmas
Speaker 2: in Paris, gathering at Kate and Peter's home in Wineka,
Speaker 2: a Chicago suburb, on the night before their departure. Kate
Speaker 2: and Peter's youngest son, Kevin, is ridiculed by his siblings
Speaker 2: and cousins due to his immature Kevin inadvertently ruins the
Speaker 2: family dinner after a scuffle with his oldest brother, Buzz,
Speaker 2: resulting in Kate punishing him by sending him up to
Speaker 2: the attic. Frustrated with Kate for allowing the rest of
Speaker 2: the family to pick on him, Kevin wishes that his
Speaker 2: family would disappear. During the night, heavy winds damage electricity
Speaker 2: and phone lines to the house, disabling the alarm clocks
Speaker 2: and causing the family to oversleep. In the confusion and
Speaker 2: rush to get to O'Hare airport, Kevin is accidentally left behind.
Speaker 1: So in that opening scene, there's a lot going on.
Speaker 2: I do.
Speaker 1: I feel like this is anti tourism propagant, Like it's
Speaker 1: the anti travel propaganda. It makes travel seem so fucking stressful.
Speaker 1: And they're just like, stay home, safe in your giant house. Yeah, yeah,
Speaker 1: it's good, stay home and consume, don't go out there.
Speaker 1: Cultural France. I don't know why there trying to create
Speaker 1: a fear of France. They are, yeah, they I feel
Speaker 1: like I know in the second one, they go to
Speaker 1: Florida and like they cut to them, just like sitting
Speaker 1: in a shit hotel room. Well yeah, yeah, while it's reigning.
Speaker 1: We ever see them in Paris? In this, I feel
Speaker 1: like it's very maybe very briefly and again it's just
Speaker 1: everybody like stuck in a hotel.
Speaker 2: No, because it immediately becomes about his mom by the
Speaker 2: time she turns, and then you kind of hear about
Speaker 2: what's happening. But no, there's no like I don't think
Speaker 2: there's any like Parisian scene.
Speaker 3: No, there's just that scene in the hotel room, and
Speaker 3: there's this and then John Hurd isn't his name of
Speaker 3: the father? Yeah, he yells like he's trying to find
Speaker 3: his son on the phone. Oh do you speak English?
Speaker 2: Yeah?
Speaker 3: Like really he tries, he tries to deal with these
Speaker 3: idiotic foreigners for a little bit and then he finally
Speaker 3: loses his temperance. Just do you speak English?
Speaker 2: And I think that's a laugh line.
Speaker 1: I thought there was a scene where the kids are
Speaker 1: trying to watch TV and it's all in French.
Speaker 3: There is.
Speaker 1: Yeah. Yeah, it's like the worst way you can experience that,
Speaker 1: I will say. In that opening scene where they're all
Speaker 1: running around and getting ready and just shredding this fucking
Speaker 1: seven year old for being a fucking idiot and being like,
Speaker 1: you can't pack your own bags, you stupid piece of shit.
Speaker 2: What are you?
Speaker 1: Seven? Joe Peshy the burglar is brazenly casing the joint
Speaker 1: by dressing as a cop and standing in their entryway,
Speaker 1: and it is the least anyone has ever paid attention
Speaker 1: to a cop, Like, it's just there's just I mean,
Speaker 1: this I think is some thoroughly white ship where they're
Speaker 1: just like a cops here. Oh well, couldn't couldn't be? Oh,
Speaker 1: you who are in dangers here?
Speaker 3: We're safe? Yeah we're safer because yeah.
Speaker 2: It really is a pretty weak story too, where he's
Speaker 2: just like so transparently casing the joint.
Speaker 1: Ah, you're going out of town, all right, I'm talking
Speaker 1: about Okay, you adults are fucking idiots. Only Kevin knows
Speaker 1: that something's up here.
Speaker 3: I'm gonna read you some notes from this first seat.
Speaker 3: I wrote Pepsi.
Speaker 1: Yes, I was so, I wrote the five year old.
Speaker 3: I was like, there's something wrong with his family right
Speaker 3: off the fucking that were you?
Speaker 1: Were you not a pepsi family? I was a Pepsi family.
Speaker 3: Oh my god? Really, yeah, we're crass too. We were
Speaker 3: like Coldgate Coca Cola family. No, we were.
Speaker 2: I don't.
Speaker 1: I don't think we had any loyalty on toothpaste brands,
Speaker 1: but we I think it was me driving the Pepsi thing.
Speaker 1: I just like, I think I liked that there was
Speaker 1: blue in the logo. I like the logo better. I
Speaker 1: was a big Michael Jackson fan.
Speaker 3: Well, I was. I was a we were coke people.
Speaker 3: But I also like just just noticed, like Pepsi obviously,
Speaker 3: you know, product placement was was, yes, you.
Speaker 1: Know, I can't believe they had to go with little
Speaker 1: neros instead of like Dominoes, you know, because the pad
Speaker 1: kind of looked good to be honest.
Speaker 3: Yeah, oh yeah, I wrote down twenty pizzas for one
Speaker 3: hundred and twenty two dollars.
Speaker 2: Yeah. But do you also think because right hearing Colkin
Speaker 2: plays Fuller the younger cousin in Yeah, where they're like
Speaker 2: he's drinking PEPs He's gonna pee the bed, that in
Speaker 2: my mind, I really have a strong connection with pepsi
Speaker 2: and pissing the bed for whatever. I'm like, bro, I
Speaker 2: don't know, man, you drink.
Speaker 3: One to Bede didn't go through the movie.
Speaker 2: Fuller Buckminster Fuller.
Speaker 1: I didn't wet my bed at two later, like probably
Speaker 1: like seven, I wet my bed after going to a
Speaker 1: party and drinking like so much soda. And I've always
Speaker 1: I've always wondered if it had something to do it,
Speaker 1: like you know, sugar like kind of will make you
Speaker 1: not go to the bathroom. But then like all that,
Speaker 1: like what is released later or something.
Speaker 2: I don't know.
Speaker 1: I haven't quite figured it out.
Speaker 2: Yeah, were you at a sleep a sleepover?
Speaker 1: No? No, it was like we were at a family party.
Speaker 1: Drink came home, so many sodas came has just.
Speaker 2: Gotten ripped at a family party? Come on, man, Taylor's
Speaker 2: oldest time.
Speaker 3: That's American too, like you know, like thinking about some
Speaker 3: one time you pissed the bed and still trying to
Speaker 3: think of an excuse, like fifty years later like that.
Speaker 2: So I don't know if it was sugar, you know sugar, Yeah,
Speaker 2: failure every human function is like I was just that
Speaker 2: all the time when I was seven, that thought.
Speaker 3: I was like sugar, I only did that once.
Speaker 1: Shouldn't let me drag all the sugar?
Speaker 2: It is wild?
Speaker 1: How like I don't think many people let kids drink
Speaker 1: PEPSI or coke like at age five these days, you.
Speaker 2: Know, no, not in Biden's America.
Speaker 3: Yeah, no, exactly, So PEPSI, no phones, educated children, friendly
Speaker 3: cop huge amount of electricity, middle class, twenty pizzas, one
Speaker 3: hundred and twenty two dollars, America's dumb attitude toward other countries.
Speaker 3: And then I wrote Christmas with the Trumps.
Speaker 1: The which Donald Trump. Uh. Probably his most famous media
Speaker 1: hit up to The Apprentice was his appearance and Home alone.
Speaker 2: Two. Wait did you write down? So they got twenty
Speaker 2: pizzas for one hundred that's what that pizza?
Speaker 1: I don't know, ten pizzas for one hundred and twenty dollars,
Speaker 1: so twelve dollars per pizza. And but they're like, what
Speaker 1: the fuck is this hotway robbery?
Speaker 3: But I think pizza is probably the same price now,
Speaker 3: it's just that wages are so low or wages are
Speaker 3: no sorry, what am I saying? Pizza's higher? Yeah, like
Speaker 3: you'd never be able to get way higher and wages
Speaker 3: would be the same.
Speaker 2: Probably you could find a twelve dollars pizza though, you
Speaker 2: know what I mean, Like you get you can get
Speaker 2: a little Caesars.
Speaker 1: Not for the hot from a little neros that place,
Speaker 1: Hi not shit, and the delivery people drive it to
Speaker 1: you ship faced it would appear I do the electricity.
Speaker 1: How brightly lit the houses are is such a good call.
Speaker 1: Like I still remember. That's the thing I remember about
Speaker 1: the fake party. He throws with a cutout Michael Jordan
Speaker 1: is like every house in every light in the house
Speaker 1: is like turned on. The place is fucking glowing like
Speaker 1: a Christmas tree, and it just seems so happy. It
Speaker 1: is a celebration of just burning electricity as much as
Speaker 1: you can.
Speaker 2: Absolutely it's you know, like we didn't know much about
Speaker 2: climate or anything like that, so yeah, just run your
Speaker 2: incandescent bulbs because like that shit probably costs a lot
Speaker 2: too when you think about how energy and efficient that is.
Speaker 2: But it their flexes all around.
Speaker 1: The pizza guy treated like kind of a dipshit when
Speaker 1: we first see him. I could I can never read.
Speaker 1: Do you guys think he's being sarcastic when he says
Speaker 1: nice tip? He kind of delivers its leg.
Speaker 2: I've always taken it.
Speaker 3: I thought it.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I know it because it totally could be bad acting.
Speaker 2: But I always thought I was being a dick.
Speaker 3: Yeah, it seems like nice, I thought they were just
Speaker 3: trying to establish that these people were generous.
Speaker 1: I thought it was yeah to be acting bad. Yeah,
Speaker 1: and he's an asshole. But then Kevin later makes him
Speaker 1: think that he's about to be murdered, which like with
Speaker 1: no real justification other than like, I guess he needs
Speaker 1: to eat. But again they're just like, hey, he's a
Speaker 1: fucking stupid pizza delivery man who gives a ship.
Speaker 3: Well, why did the pizza guy keep running into that
Speaker 3: lawn jockey? And why was there a lawn jockey? But
Speaker 3: why was there a lawn jockey? I mean even in
Speaker 3: nineteen ninety lawn jockeys were.
Speaker 2: Let me just see what he says from the niceness, how.
Speaker 3: Come you bring more Chief pizzas?
Speaker 2: Nice tip?
Speaker 3: Thanks a lot.
Speaker 1: Thanks?
Speaker 2: He might be yes, actually just a bad actor. Yeah,
Speaker 2: there's they're supposed to be that tip thanks a lot.
Speaker 3: Wow. These people are using most of the resources of
Speaker 3: this country, but they tip.
Speaker 1: Well, yeah, every light in the whole fucking house is
Speaker 1: on at all.
Speaker 3: Our department loaded it up too much, like it had
Speaker 3: everything in there.
Speaker 1: Increasingly that will be what people notice about this movie.
Speaker 1: Like as we get further further into a world where
Speaker 1: like you have to pay so much money for electricity
Speaker 1: because they're using it all on AI and shit, people
Speaker 1: are just gonna be like wow, wow, Wow, people are living.
Speaker 3: Probably didn't mean to make him seem so rich. I
Speaker 3: think it probably just didn't look as abnormal well back then.
Speaker 2: But yeah, I mean it's just that thing that all
Speaker 2: media did was like it was this very high level
Speaker 2: version of what normal was. So you're like, damn, Like
Speaker 2: you know, just like the same way on like TV
Speaker 2: shows people they're never gonna it's never gonna actually reflect
Speaker 2: what the living conditions are for most.
Speaker 1: Yeah, it was all whi fulfilm and it was like
Speaker 1: Friends or you know, this is a John Hughes movie.
Speaker 1: Like he's the same person who made Ferris Bueller's Day Off,
Speaker 1: where like the kid you're supposed to the two kids
Speaker 1: you're supposed to like identify with as like the protagonists
Speaker 1: of the movie are like incredibly well, that's true, Like
Speaker 1: she didn't be any richer.
Speaker 2: Like Cameron's house. I'm like, what the fuck your parents
Speaker 2: they fucking own black Rock or something.
Speaker 1: But his dad, his dad has to work really hard,
Speaker 1: so he's like not always that black rock back then?
Speaker 3: Was he probably his dad probably down a gas station. Yeah,
Speaker 3: like the economy was so different, like it was there
Speaker 3: were no billionaires around. They were just like there was
Speaker 3: so much less resentment. I am old enough to remember that. Like,
Speaker 3: I mean, you you knew these kind of people were rich,
Speaker 3: but you didn't necessarily want to burn their fucking house,
Speaker 3: you did, because.
Speaker 2: They weren't to your disenfranchisement.
Speaker 3: They weren't like they hadn't quite figured out. The monopolies
Speaker 3: were still building. You know, we're at the moment where
Speaker 3: they've all like fully bloomed, you know, But back then,
Speaker 3: like there was such a thing as a middle class
Speaker 3: that sort of was happy enough that they didn't want
Speaker 3: to strangle these people when they delivered their pizza, Like
Speaker 3: they would knock over their lawn jockey, but they put
Speaker 3: it back up for real, you know what I mean,
Speaker 3: Like as now they'd piss on the long jockey after
Speaker 3: they and so they should be pissing on lawn jockeys
Speaker 3: because lawn jockeys are racist. And I didn't understand why
Speaker 3: they wanted to establish this family was racist right out
Speaker 3: of the gate, because that's one of the first things
Speaker 3: that happens. It is supposed to be wacky, and I
Speaker 3: just couldn't figure out if it was a statement. But
Speaker 3: I don't think it was any kind of statement. I
Speaker 3: think it was just supposed to be somebody hitting a lock.
Speaker 2: These idiotic wage workers yet my lawn jockey.
Speaker 1: Yeah, you know how much I paid for that lawn jockey.
Speaker 2: You know much I paid for this airport shuttle van.
Speaker 3: Yeah, But those people could go back to their part
Speaker 3: of town and like have a fucking pot luck and
Speaker 3: everybody could get laid and smoke cigarettes or whatever. And
Speaker 3: they were not that mad at the electricity gobblers across town.
Speaker 3: We're going to France because they thought they were idiots anyway,
Speaker 3: because they're like, who needs France? And we got this
Speaker 3: keg of beer and these cigarettes. So I just think, like,
Speaker 3: there's like this show, this movie, show this whatever, show's stability.
Speaker 3: You know, it's exaggerated, but there was, you know, unless
Speaker 3: you I mean, of course, you have the factor in
Speaker 3: like it's never for white people. I guess I would
Speaker 3: say everybody in this movie's white. So I'm you know,
Speaker 3: as far as white people went, things were definitely more
Speaker 3: stable for white people in nineteen ninety.
Speaker 2: Yeah, And I think just general the class consciousness to
Speaker 2: your point, broadly also just wasn't really there in that
Speaker 2: sense either. It's like some people are rich, and some people.
Speaker 3: Will take away people's fucking ability to pay rent. It's
Speaker 3: on you know, you take away. If someone could pay
Speaker 3: the rent even and have a dart board, you know
Speaker 3: they're gonna be okay. You know, they can house, yes
Speaker 3: they need a house, a dart you know, or an
Speaker 3: apartment doesn't even have to be a house, just something
Speaker 3: they can pay off without losing their ship, you know,
Speaker 3: and enough money, you know, then you have you know,
Speaker 3: you can have those kinds of relationships where you don't
Speaker 3: want to just you know, knock these people out. But now,
Speaker 3: like the airport shuttle guy, if somebody makes a joke
Speaker 3: about the mileage, probably fucking abandons the wheels, starts jumps
Speaker 3: in the back seat and starts trying to kill.
Speaker 2: Everyone, or just jump jump out the driver's seat on
Speaker 2: pH and like good luck, yeah something, you know.
Speaker 1: What I mean.
Speaker 3: And then people will be like, man, society's gone downhill.
Speaker 3: I remember when he used to be able to make
Speaker 3: jokes to these wage workers and they didn't go berserk.
Speaker 3: But that's that's what It's not their fault. It's just
Speaker 3: that they're hanging by a fucking thread.
Speaker 2: Now, all right, So the next section of plot, if
Speaker 2: there's anything, so now Kevin's been left behind, He's like,
Speaker 2: what the fuck happened? Kevin wakes up to find the
Speaker 2: house empty and the family cars still in the garage,
Speaker 2: unaware that they had rented vans from poor people to
Speaker 2: take them to the airport. Thinking that his wish has
Speaker 2: come true, he's overjoyed with his newfound freedom. Later, Kevin
Speaker 2: becomes frightened by his eccentric next door neighbor, old Man Marley,
Speaker 2: rumored to be a serial killer nicknamed the South Bend
Speaker 2: shovel Slayer, a murdered his own family agent mccowster. Home
Speaker 2: is soon stocked by the Wet Bandits Harry and Marv,
Speaker 2: a pair of burglars who have been breaking into the
Speaker 2: other houses in the neighborhood where the families are on vacation.
Speaker 2: Kevin tricks them into thinking that his family is still home,
Speaker 2: forcing them to postpone their plans to rob the mcollister house.
Speaker 1: The shot where they like go up to break into
Speaker 1: the back door and he turns on the light and
Speaker 1: they're like, hey, someone's here, let's get out. Of here
Speaker 1: and scurry away is like that. I just remember seeing
Speaker 1: that in so many like alarm system commercials where it
Speaker 1: was like, oh, you know, lights that turn turn on,
Speaker 1: and like it's created a genre of like alarm system commercials,
Speaker 1: like that's exactly how every Burglar dressed that, just like
Speaker 1: the nit cap with yeah right, and if it wasn't wintertime,
Speaker 1: crow bar, you have that a crow bar.
Speaker 2: You gotta have a nit cap. You gotta be wearing
Speaker 2: all black. Yeah, And that's like a little yeah exactly
Speaker 2: the way Growar DJ.
Speaker 1: Is dressed like Burglar's wet bandit core. Let's what the
Speaker 1: kids are doing these days. Yeah.
Speaker 2: The Old Man. When you first saw the film Old
Speaker 2: Man Mark, I remember being like, oh, this guy's a
Speaker 2: fucking murderer. I remember that for the right. I'm like,
Speaker 2: this guy's a fucking sick murder and he killed his family,
Speaker 2: and like what he's doing, he.
Speaker 1: Saw a lot of just questionable decisions to just glare
Speaker 1: at children while standing there something without saying anything. As
Speaker 1: I stream and run away from him, he doesn't, he doesn't.
Speaker 1: And then when you see him later when he finally
Speaker 1: explains him off, he's like, hey.
Speaker 3: You yeah, less dramatic pauses.
Speaker 2: Buddy, Yeah, yeah, yeah, don't give don't give kids a
Speaker 2: thousand yards stare for.
Speaker 1: The I do.
Speaker 3: That guy is me, Like, I'm like I could. I
Speaker 3: felt bad for that guy because I was like, this
Speaker 3: is me. I'm that guy with the shovel at this age,
Speaker 3: not when I watched him. I never saw at this age.
Speaker 3: Right now, I'm like, I'm like that, they better stop
Speaker 3: yelling at that guy. He's probably got some stuff going on.
Speaker 1: Old neighbors all have legends about you.
Speaker 3: Yeah, exactly. The only difference with me is I talk
Speaker 3: immediately and a lot.
Speaker 2: He turns his victims into cold brew and he drinks it.
Speaker 3: Yeah yeah, but I'd be like, no, I don't what
Speaker 3: the hell, but that guy, I felt bad for you
Speaker 3: because I was like, this is more of this ship
Speaker 3: or the other you know, othering of like you know,
Speaker 3: i mean sure he was like acting creepy, but still
Speaker 3: it's just like all these things that used to be innocent.
Speaker 3: Now I'm like, Oh, teach people to be afraid of
Speaker 3: old guys.
Speaker 1: Yeah, adult bashing the stand for it.
Speaker 3: Old people are yeah, yeah, oh great, well that's half
Speaker 3: your life, So have a nice time, everybody.
Speaker 2: Chris any loose notes up until the point where the
Speaker 2: mom realizes Kevin has gone.
Speaker 3: And what no, there's got some thoughts about the mom
Speaker 3: okay at the airport, But we can get to that.
Speaker 2: We're going to get to that then.
Speaker 3: Other than that, just the shoveler I wrote down. The
Speaker 3: shoveler guy is sewing fear of the other. He is
Speaker 3: the poor or the elderly.
Speaker 2: Hell yeah, dude. So then Kate McAllister realizes mid flight
Speaker 2: that Kevin was left behind, and upon arrival in Paris,
Speaker 2: Kate plans to return home immediately due to Kevin being
Speaker 2: home alone. That all nailed it, but the family discovers
Speaker 2: that all flights of the next two days are booked
Speaker 2: and that the phone lines are still down back home
Speaker 2: in Chicago. How whimsical the phone line no way to
Speaker 2: contact that part of the world. Oh well, I guess
Speaker 2: people just died. Like it's just terribly fucked up. Ways
Speaker 2: when the phone lines went down, you like these like really.
Speaker 3: Thought about that?
Speaker 1: You want story about that?
Speaker 2: Man?
Speaker 1: You drink?
Speaker 3: You just drink. And when the boone lines were up,
Speaker 3: you also drink.
Speaker 2: Yeah, right good?
Speaker 1: What if Kevin had gotten ship faced the second his parents.
Speaker 2: Are Oh my god, right, he was pretending with that
Speaker 2: after shave. I'm surprised at it.
Speaker 3: Very whimsical. I know people i've met in AA you
Speaker 3: started drinking when they were eight. He was a very
Speaker 3: whimsical eight year old, I know, just Dray Clean, living
Speaker 3: popcorn and singing.
Speaker 2: He was more Yeah, traumatic brain injuries he could put
Speaker 2: due to adults with paint cans.
Speaker 1: The one example of like middle class people being fucking
Speaker 1: idiots and terrible at their job that I feel like
Speaker 1: this movie my nail is the police being completely helpless. Uh,
Speaker 1: they're so bad. There's like, all right, she says, their
Speaker 1: kids home alone. She also again like a convenient uh
Speaker 1: inability to talk at certain point is just like my
Speaker 1: child is home alone. Instead of telling the whole detail
Speaker 1: of like he's definitely there, we are in pair like
Speaker 1: just explaining it. She would just be like, my child
Speaker 1: is home alone, would you please go check on him?
Speaker 1: Is like not enough information you need to be like
Speaker 1: he's eight, he's there all by himself, right, and that
Speaker 1: the person just knocks on the door and then doesn't
Speaker 1: and then is like, I don't know what this lady's
Speaker 1: talking about. This is a completely empty house with all
Speaker 1: the lights on.
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, sometimes they got to do that. Yeah, they
Speaker 3: got to do that in the movies. Yeah, I mean
Speaker 3: say less than they normally would.
Speaker 2: Yes, I mean yeah, I'm glad that they at least
Speaker 2: made the police look completely incompetent at their job.
Speaker 1: Right, So would not be the case for a for
Speaker 1: a cop who is a documentary part of them? Yeah yeah, right,
Speaker 1: not not for this class of family. Though this story
Speaker 1: would have been on the local news the first night
Speaker 1: that they left, like they they would have been handlelight
Speaker 1: vigil Yes, exactly, every o the South.
Speaker 3: Side of Chicago. They wouldn't have shown up at all.
Speaker 2: It wouldn't shown up at all, exactly.
Speaker 1: It wouldn't have been able to get through to the cops. Uh.
Speaker 2: So we go back to the plot here, the phone
Speaker 2: mines are down, Peter and the rest of the family
Speaker 2: stay at his brother Rob's apartment in Paris, while Kate
Speaker 2: stays at the airport and hopes of finding a seat
Speaker 2: on an outbound flight to Chicago. More quickly, Kate is understed,
Speaker 2: been stanky, but this was a wild part. Remember this
Speaker 2: is a couple ticket trades. Later, she's able to get
Speaker 2: to Dallas, Texas, and then Flats, Dallas, Texas. Yes, I
Speaker 2: convinces a couple to trade tickets to Dallas with her,
Speaker 2: and then then she flies to Scranton and meets Gus
Speaker 2: Polinski John Candy.
Speaker 1: The only leader of the po we call her people
Speaker 1: in the movie.
Speaker 3: He's barely in He's in it so little. I was
Speaker 3: surprised they didn't give him much.
Speaker 1: He wasn't supposed to be in it, right, Yeah, he
Speaker 1: appeared in this movie as a favorite to John Hughes'
Speaker 1: I guess in exchange for like Uncle Buck, and he
Speaker 1: like did his role in Home Alone. He was paid
Speaker 1: like a little over one thousand dollars for like the
Speaker 1: Wikipedia is like in exchange for that, he was allowed
Speaker 1: to improvise his whole like everyone dialogue, not learn any
Speaker 1: of I know you could tell right. It is also
Speaker 1: interesting there's a I just noticed it for the first
Speaker 1: time this time that she literally says, like I would
Speaker 1: do a deal with the devil to go back and
Speaker 1: to get to Chicago. And that's when he like taps
Speaker 1: on her shoulder. I was setting it up because she
Speaker 1: is like getting into a van with a bunch of
Speaker 1: men who like could do anything, and they kind of
Speaker 1: set it up as if it could go in that
Speaker 1: direction where she's like, I'll do a deal with the
Speaker 1: devil and then he's like, hey, hey hello, then he's
Speaker 1: he's just John Candy.
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, the devil and.
Speaker 3: This if this movie was directed by your ghosts, whatever
Speaker 3: is to become a horror movie. At that point, noverybody
Speaker 3: was like, he's genius. Oh my gosh, you're kidnapped. My
Speaker 3: oh god, this is we have ever seen in my life.
Speaker 2: Look what a mother's desperation.
Speaker 3: He changed tone with no warning. He's a genius. I
Speaker 3: fucking saw that movie Pogonia, and I want to oh god,
Speaker 3: oh that holy well. If I know that guy directed
Speaker 3: the Lobster, I never would have walked in the theater.
Speaker 3: I just didn't know. The Lobster made me madder than
Speaker 3: almost anything in the world.
Speaker 1: Uh is dog Tooth if you've ever seen dog Tooth?
Speaker 3: Anyway, Begonia made me mad because it was one of
Speaker 3: those things where it's like a surprise ending or whatever.
Speaker 3: After you go through a whole movie where you're supposed
Speaker 3: to be you think you're supposed to be learning something.
Speaker 2: Anyway, well, what did you learn about Kate McAllister? You
Speaker 2: said you had a couple of notes about the mother
Speaker 2: at this point.
Speaker 3: Uh, white ladies trying to make their problems into other
Speaker 3: people's problems, a little pandemic preview. I demand, I demand
Speaker 3: the supply chain work for me immediately.
Speaker 1: She just happens, Like I feel like the way the
Speaker 1: writers were thinking of it is like she's using everything
Speaker 1: on her. She's like being resourceful to like get back.
Speaker 1: She's trading her ear rings and a Rolex and all
Speaker 1: these different things to these people for their tickets. And
Speaker 1: it's like, yeah, but she like has fucking thousand dollars
Speaker 1: earrings and a Rolex and like all this shit on her.
Speaker 2: Yeah, she's able to make it work, you know.
Speaker 3: Yeah, just I need a plane ticket right now because
Speaker 3: of a mistake that I made. You Who do I
Speaker 3: talk to to fix my timeline? Anyway? That's the dark
Speaker 3: I mean. And then as it's just to mention though,
Speaker 3: at the end of this movie, I could see watching
Speaker 3: it again because it does have a comfort food sort
Speaker 3: of quality to it that I did not pick up
Speaker 3: on while I was analyzing it because I was analyzing
Speaker 3: it and seeing capitalism and all this stuff. But also
Speaker 3: I did understand why, you know, it is like a
Speaker 3: way of like accessing the American dream through a VCR,
Speaker 3: you know.
Speaker 2: True, Yeah, no, I think that's especially now as I
Speaker 2: become an adult. It's truly just to regress and like
Speaker 2: go to some other like to feel six and I
Speaker 2: knew fuck all about how fucked everything was. Yeah. Yeah,
Speaker 2: it's sort of sort of like where you land.
Speaker 1: Let's take one more break, all right, then we'll come back.
Speaker 1: We'll get to the murder house part of the uh
Speaker 1: oh baby of the movie and uh and then some
Speaker 1: trivia and.
Speaker 3: I forgot about that's fucking insane.
Speaker 2: Go ahead, we'll be.
Speaker 1: Right that.
Speaker 3: And we're back.
Speaker 2: We're back.
Speaker 1: And this is kind of like an Equalizer shaped movie.
Speaker 1: I don't know if you've seen the Denzel movie Equalizer,
Speaker 1: but it's it's basically the same thing where you like
Speaker 1: see this person, like you know, developing like teasing at
Speaker 1: their skills a little bit throughout, and then in the
Speaker 1: final like thirty minutes, you get to see him pull
Speaker 1: it all together into just like a fucking murder gauntlet.
Speaker 2: You see it with the fake party. He can hook
Speaker 2: gadgets up to make it look like people are moving around.
Speaker 2: He knows how to use firecrackers. To scare a poor
Speaker 2: pizza delivery guy with an old timy gangster movie and
Speaker 2: now like, yeah, he's putting it together. So it's Christmas Eve.
Speaker 2: At this point, Harry and Marv now realize that it
Speaker 2: is only freaking Kevin in there's just a little kid
Speaker 2: in there, and Kevin over heres by a kindy garden
Speaker 2: he over hears yeah discussing plans to break into their
Speaker 2: house that night. He starts to miss his family and
Speaker 2: ask the local Santa Claus impersonator if he could bring
Speaker 2: them back for Christmas. Kevin attends a church choir performance,
Speaker 2: eventually re encountering Marley, who proves the rumors about himself
Speaker 2: to be false. Mary point just.
Speaker 1: Crams himself to be a very charismatic yeah exactly, no
Speaker 1: such thing as a murderer who makes himself seem nice
Speaker 1: and yeah warm and cudley.
Speaker 2: But he also points out he goes, hey, you see
Speaker 2: that girl there, that's my granddaughter in the choir and
Speaker 2: I've never met her since I am as strange from
Speaker 2: my son. And Kevin's like, oh, you should probably figure
Speaker 2: that out, man, with your kid. I don't know. I'm
Speaker 2: about to go fuck these guys up now, sorry, I
Speaker 2: got to go kill some guys. I gotta go fucking
Speaker 2: try and kill these two fucks.
Speaker 1: This is I think the the scene of the movie.
Speaker 1: It's not the most memorable scene. Definitely wasn't the one
Speaker 1: I liked the best of a kid, But like, the
Speaker 1: two performances by old Man Marley and McCauley culkin in
Speaker 1: the church are really good. Like that s really fucking works.
Speaker 1: It's very heartfelt, for sure, It's very heartfelt, and like
Speaker 1: it's the one like McCauley Culkin's performance for the rest
Speaker 1: of the movie is a lot of just being like,
Speaker 1: look surprised, Kevin. Okay, look surprised again, Yeah, do like
Speaker 1: a yes, But that one he you know, it's like
Speaker 1: the precocious part of his character, but like you kind
Speaker 1: of believe it, and he's pretty cute. So that's a
Speaker 1: good scene.
Speaker 2: So that was for you.
Speaker 3: That was Jack, Sorry, that was the scene that for you.
Speaker 3: That was like Martin Sheen and Marlon Brando and Apocalypse Now.
Speaker 1: Yeah, exactly, heavyweights at the top of their game. Yeah,
Speaker 1: throwing haymaker. It was the one that definitely, uh, I thought,
Speaker 1: I was like, oh this, I see why. This is
Speaker 1: like a Christmas class that's got the oscar?
Speaker 2: Yeah, exactly, why not have he was robbed? He was
Speaker 2: so the booby trap scene comes. Now Kevin returns home,
Speaker 2: rigs the house with handmade booby traps. Herring Marv break in,
Speaker 2: spring the traps and suffer various injuries. I love this
Speaker 2: distillation of this entire various injuries. And then Kevin calls
Speaker 2: the police and lures a into a neighboring house that
Speaker 2: had previously been broken into. Harry Marv ambush Kevin to
Speaker 2: prepare to get their revenge, and then Marley intervenes the house.
Speaker 2: The booby trap scene, the suspense that builds when he's like,
Speaker 2: it's time to fuck fuck these guys up, and I'm
Speaker 2: going to turn my house into a kill room.
Speaker 1: And the music that's playing there where it isn't it,
Speaker 1: And then they like start the drums come in and
Speaker 1: it really gets he pumped off. Something I noticed this
Speaker 1: time was that it's eight o'clock when he leaves the
Speaker 1: church and he hasn't said any of the booby traps,
Speaker 1: and they're coming at nine house murder murdered.
Speaker 2: Well, he was like setting machines off. Try have you
Speaker 2: seen a gid try to use tools earnestly. There's no
Speaker 2: fucking way.
Speaker 1: But it is also as when I was seventh, that
Speaker 1: is about the amount of time I would have given
Speaker 1: myself that I would have just got our gutting, fucking
Speaker 1: bludgeon bludgeoned to death. I was setting the Christmas ornaments
Speaker 1: up by the window.
Speaker 2: Hold on, this is the paint can. You'd throw the
Speaker 2: paint can, but you don't know how to tie a nott,
Speaker 2: so it just falls right off the string and you're like, fuck,
Speaker 2: all right, just bludgeed me, Chris, your notes for everything
Speaker 2: up until this point where the various injuries, the ingenious
Speaker 2: engineering feats.
Speaker 3: All I wrote was, here's what I wrote on this,
Speaker 3: this is this is I'm starting to fall off at
Speaker 3: the end here McCauley has McCauley has lipstick on the
Speaker 3: whole MOVIEU paint cans equal FMW deathmatch wrestling.
Speaker 1: Uh. And that was that.
Speaker 3: I was just into death match wrestling in the nineties
Speaker 3: and I was thinking it appealed to the same you know,
Speaker 3: it appeals to the same like you know. It was
Speaker 3: only a few years a few years later that wrestlers
Speaker 3: were literally getting hit in the head with paint Kansas
Speaker 3: stepping on nails. So I thought that. But but aside
Speaker 3: from that, I just thought that I realized that the
Speaker 3: burglars were the good guys, and they were Antifa, and
Speaker 3: that these guys are deserved to get their hands on
Speaker 3: this money and electricity, and and McCaulay, for some reason,
Speaker 3: is a damn Jedi. Yeah, yeah, and you know, just
Speaker 3: just humiliates them even though they were the good guys.
Speaker 1: And in the sense that he can control them, control
Speaker 1: their brains, so they go the exact route that he
Speaker 1: wanted them to in every case.
Speaker 2: In this exact sequence.
Speaker 1: The nail that was when I realized nail McCauley was
Speaker 1: the nail is the one he was just going to say,
Speaker 1: which one sticks with you the most? And while the
Speaker 1: the one with the blowtorch that could have easily just
Speaker 1: killed saying yeah, like unless it was not if if
Speaker 1: it was tipped down five percent, it would have murdered him.
Speaker 1: Your hair off by far the most visceral one, Like
Speaker 1: I don't know if they do something with the sound effect,
Speaker 1: but his like foot goes down into it slowly and
Speaker 1: you like hear a little something and then Daniel's reaction
Speaker 1: physical performance.
Speaker 2: It has to be said, Daniel Stearn's physical reactions are
Speaker 2: pretty amazing in the film, like he sells so much
Speaker 2: of it was like crossing and it's just his like
Speaker 2: screaming for me, honestly, the paint can is the one
Speaker 2: that I remember when I like rewatched it again when
Speaker 2: I was like nineteen. Yeah, I was like, dude, that
Speaker 2: would have because I think at the time I was
Speaker 2: really into jackass type shit and like hurting myself for
Speaker 2: fun and seeing that I was like, dude, no, you
Speaker 2: would die. You die, Like I remember this really odd
Speaker 2: realization because I'd lived enough, like like that's not actually
Speaker 2: really that should have killed them, and I don't know.
Speaker 1: That was actually not cool, Kevin True. For some reason,
Speaker 1: the paint can has not bothered me because every paint
Speaker 1: can that we ever had at our house would be
Speaker 1: half empty and also dented, so it seemed like it
Speaker 1: was like made of like I don't know, it was
Speaker 1: like soft, like don't.
Speaker 2: Think, I guess I'm thinking of a full paint can,
Speaker 2: like you know what I mean, right, beating up a
Speaker 2: full paint can.
Speaker 1: That's I've never been hit with one of those. Also,
Speaker 1: you must try, you simply must you must get fucked
Speaker 1: up in Kentucky.
Speaker 3: I guess I was just wondering, Yeah, how much of
Speaker 3: an influence. I didn't think of Jackass, but whether this
Speaker 3: scene influenced death match wrestling or Jackass, Like, I mean,
Speaker 3: they were the right age to see it and be like,
Speaker 3: what if we did that to each other all day long,
Speaker 3: every day until Steve O went to rehab.
Speaker 2: Well, I'm also just thinking of like when when was
Speaker 2: a film giving you this kind of like stunt shit
Speaker 2: with like like gag and injuries, you know what i mean, Like,
Speaker 2: because it was pretty wild inness that, Like I remember
Speaker 2: half the appeal too was like dude, he focks these
Speaker 2: guys up pretty bad. Yeah, Like there the guy's burning
Speaker 2: his hand, he's getting his head blow torched off, he's
Speaker 2: taking paint cans to the face. Like I don't I
Speaker 2: can't think of a thing before that that was anything
Speaker 2: like that in terms of like the physical it was.
Speaker 1: I mean, it was Tom and Jerry. It was like cartoons. Yeah,
Speaker 1: which it's interesting that like the first entertainment that they
Speaker 1: made for kids, they were just like, well, i'll tell
Speaker 1: you what kids want to see. They want to see
Speaker 1: two people like just beating the living shit out of it.
Speaker 1: Sull they die, but they don't die from their injuries. Yeah,
Speaker 1: and then it became like not cool for a while,
Speaker 1: and then they were smart to bring it back, I think.
Speaker 2: Yeah. So then Christmas Day comes, Kevin is initially disappointed
Speaker 2: after waking to find that his family is still gone. However,
Speaker 2: Kate arrives home a few minutes later and they reconcile.
Speaker 2: The rest of the family, then returns only a few
Speaker 2: minutes after that, having waited in Paris for a direct
Speaker 2: flight to Chicago. Kevin keeps silent about his encounter with
Speaker 2: Harry and Marv, although Peter finds Harry's knocked out gold Tooth.
Speaker 2: Kevin then watches Marley reuniting with his family. That's the
Speaker 2: i thing we don't talk about was the clean up.
Speaker 1: The cleanup. Yeah, he's he's got some cat in the
Speaker 1: hat in him that he's able to set things up
Speaker 1: and clean things up incredibly quickly. I thought that the dad,
Speaker 1: after he was like, Okay, what's this with the gold Tooths,
Speaker 1: was was going to be like, are you fucking cheating
Speaker 1: on me?
Speaker 3: That's a whole nother sequel.
Speaker 1: Yeah, that's because you're right whose gold tooth is this? Hey, Hey,
Speaker 1: whose fucking gold tooth is this? When did you get home?
Speaker 1: I will say, Uh, Joe Pasche and Macaulay Culkin didn't
Speaker 1: get along on the set. Joe Peshi was pissed because
Speaker 1: they had to like get there or like start shooting
Speaker 1: at seven am in the morning because like the rules
Speaker 1: are like the kid can't shoot too late. And he
Speaker 1: was like, uh, that doesn't work for me. I like
Speaker 1: I golf, I got to get nine holes in And
Speaker 1: it's just funny. It's like you read about it and
Speaker 1: it's like the subtext is basically like the set wasn't
Speaker 1: big enough for these two egos. Like Joe Pesci was
Speaker 1: like threatened and like annoyed that he wasn't allowed to
Speaker 1: cuss on the set and stuff. But you think about
Speaker 1: the spread of like classics from this period that Joe
Speaker 1: Peschi was in, because they tried to give this role
Speaker 1: to de Niro and then John love It and then
Speaker 1: Peschi was the third choice. But he had home alone. Goodfellas.
Speaker 1: You know my cousin Vinnie, like he was really he
Speaker 1: was on a heater.
Speaker 2: Yeah, okay, my cousin Vinnie, Come on, Jack, lethal weapon
Speaker 2: three Lethal Weapon.
Speaker 1: He just like shows up and is like, you know,
Speaker 1: suddenly a big you know, Okay, you remember I saw
Speaker 1: that movie.
Speaker 2: There you go, Chris.
Speaker 3: I don't know what kind of movies I was making
Speaker 3: exceptions for, but I saw Lethal Weapon three.
Speaker 2: I think it makes sense because you're like, yeah, that
Speaker 2: looks like it's for adults.
Speaker 3: I wouldn't say yeah, I mean, this is There's no reason.
Speaker 3: There's a lot of movies I did see that were
Speaker 3: aimed at adults that like Forrest Gump. I mean that
Speaker 3: I didn't see like Forrest Gump. That was something I
Speaker 3: was supposed to see. But this would have been crazy
Speaker 3: for me to take time out from you know, f
Speaker 3: Gazzi to see Home alone. But uh, what I was
Speaker 3: thinking about, you know what movies just like this fucking movie,
Speaker 3: which was a great movie at least I remember.
Speaker 1: I mean I saw this movie when I was young.
Speaker 1: Risky Business. Yeah, it's like the same story as Risky Business,
Speaker 1: except it is Risky Business except instead.
Speaker 3: Of like you know, having a popcorn party, that he
Speaker 3: had sex with a yeah, a sex worker. And that's like,
Speaker 3: that's more of my kind of movie, you know, more
Speaker 3: more poetry, right deep deep ship doesn't Risky Business take
Speaker 3: place in Chicago?
Speaker 1: Also, I feel like it's like it could be in
Speaker 1: the same neighborhood. Again, It's just like rich kid gets
Speaker 1: to be alone and I just never the same talking
Speaker 1: movie Ferris Bueller's Day Off.
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, the.
Speaker 3: Same movie, except they just crack. He cracks that egg,
Speaker 3: you know, they find the crack in the egg. What
Speaker 3: if this rich kid actually had some freedom and those
Speaker 3: risky business parents were more realistic as far as the
Speaker 3: kind of parents that would have a house that was
Speaker 3: that opulent, because they were they were truly frightening. Whereas
Speaker 3: like to have the kind of money that McCauley's parents had,
Speaker 3: these guys were pretty benevolent. You can't. I mean, I
Speaker 3: was just like everything in there, like you're just looking
Speaker 3: at man. You know, they got a rhododendrum every three feet,
Speaker 3: they got, they got you know, every goddamn pillows fluffed,
Speaker 3: every damn I mean, each room is just a pageant
Speaker 3: of consumerism. And then the parents are are have a
Speaker 3: sense of humor, and those two things do not go
Speaker 3: together normally unless they won their money from a lottery
Speaker 3: or you know, something like that. I would imagine then
Speaker 3: they'd be nice.
Speaker 1: But I do think to your point about capitalism and
Speaker 1: like consumerism being like ultimately the main message of this
Speaker 1: It is interesting that when everybody gets home and they're like, Kevin,
Speaker 1: it's it's pretty cool you didn't burn the house down, man,
Speaker 1: because that was That's the other thing that like literally stops,
Speaker 1: Like everybody stops and is like hmm. When they're like, honey,
Speaker 1: we got to go get milk because honey, the milk
Speaker 1: is gonna be spoiled, and Kevin, Kevin's like, I went shopping.
Speaker 1: I got milk and tyre surgeon and everyone's like you
Speaker 1: are the best dude. They're like, he did food shopping
Speaker 1: the ultimate.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 1: Yeah, but it's also you know, consumerism is the best
Speaker 1: thing that you can possibly do. Go to the grocery store.
Speaker 3: The promise of capitalism is that you you know everything
Speaker 3: in this movie, it's like, oh, this is it, this
Speaker 3: is this is this is your dream. Here you are
Speaker 3: the dream and you're so fully been fucked over into
Speaker 3: caring about products that you forget your own child.
Speaker 1: Right.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean it's really a cautionary to of all.
Speaker 3: It's a tragedy, it's a mirable tragedy.
Speaker 1: Is that when they get on the plane and they're
Speaker 1: like I did notice an eighty yard line where they're like, okay, kids,
Speaker 1: you're in coach, we're in first class. The parents are
Speaker 1: in first class, and the kids go back into coach,
Speaker 1: which like, so you're right, like this is symbolic of
Speaker 1: an overall like they like part of how they parent,
Speaker 1: which is like out of sight, out of mind, you
Speaker 1: know what I'm saying, the fuck out of here, and
Speaker 1: I am obsessed with that I and I didn't think
Speaker 1: of this. I mean I think of this movie as
Speaker 1: probably not really thinking that deeply about these things. They
Speaker 1: were probably just making a movie to some extent, you know,
Speaker 1: nineteen ninety things were like it was looking like maybe
Speaker 1: it is possible for you know, all of us to
Speaker 1: coexist while some of us have all the electricity. They
Speaker 1: might have really thought that that was possible, because it
Speaker 1: didn't seem possible.
Speaker 3: At that time.
Speaker 1: It didn't.
Speaker 3: It was not as dark as as it is now,
Speaker 3: so you just didn't. But but yeah, the idea like
Speaker 3: those those sort of relationships like as long as you
Speaker 3: can keep the food and the products coming, then you
Speaker 3: can basically get away with a yeah, you don't have
Speaker 3: to see each other. But then what happens is I
Speaker 3: do think a lot about people like Tucker, just because
Speaker 3: they ended up being so powerful and so empty, and
Speaker 3: it's because they really were. And these are the people
Speaker 3: I grew up with who were left behind when their
Speaker 3: parents went on vacation and they had all their needs met,
Speaker 3: like they had often had servants that took care of them,
Speaker 3: like like, for real, this is a level of shit.
Speaker 3: I grew up and that's why I thought our house
Speaker 3: looked like shit. Our house was a normal house, but
Speaker 3: I was like, we live in a shack, you know
Speaker 3: what I mean, like because we didn't have servants or
Speaker 3: you know whatever, a prototype microwave or one of these
Speaker 3: fun people. I went over to their house, they had
Speaker 3: like uh, you know whatever, there's ship they had.
Speaker 1: But anyway, this realistic part of this movie, by the way,
Speaker 1: is that they don't have like a nanny or a maid,
Speaker 1: you know, like that would up the plot.
Speaker 3: But sure, yeah, but then then the problem is like, yeah,
Speaker 3: you get these you know, it turns out a kid
Speaker 3: needs more than a nanny, and you know whatever they
Speaker 3: had in that house, a big fat couch or whatever
Speaker 3: in a big TV, like a kid needs more than
Speaker 3: that you can't and then the kid ends up like
Speaker 3: this Macauley guy. This character probably ended up being a
Speaker 3: right wing monster when he grew up because maybe the
Speaker 3: family's fortune went away and he didn't know who to
Speaker 3: blame and he had no resources inside because his own
Speaker 3: mother forgot him on a vacation and anyway, but you know,
Speaker 3: this is what I bring to the table. This reminds me,
Speaker 3: This reminds me of and you can maybe cut this
Speaker 3: this maybe too. I hate saying it, but it's like
Speaker 3: I saw this kid at an ice cream store, like
Speaker 3: throwing a tantrum like because and his dad was like,
Speaker 3: get him the ice cream that he wants. Get him.
Speaker 3: He's like three years old, and he's like the kid
Speaker 3: was like throwing sample spoons on the floor and stuff.
Speaker 3: And I went and did stand up that night and
Speaker 3: I said, listen, I saw this kid, you know, and
Speaker 3: his dad kept going, get him another flavor, get him
Speaker 3: another flavor.
Speaker 4: Oh my god, Oh my god, you know, And and
Speaker 4: I was like, you know, if you if you never
Speaker 4: say no to a kid, especially a male kid, when
Speaker 4: do you when do you think the first time he
Speaker 4: hears no is gonna be yea you know dead series, right,
Speaker 4: and then the host came up and said, ladies and gentlemen.
Speaker 3: Chris crofton some people see a three year old, he
Speaker 3: sees a rapist, So yeah, he probably have to cut that.
Speaker 3: But anyway, that's that's along the lines of like I do,
Speaker 3: I can't ruin any party. It was like me going
Speaker 3: to Disneyland. Remember when I told you about that. Oh yeah,
Speaker 3: I didn't do accid Disneyland, and it's a good things.
Speaker 3: I would have ruined everybody's truck. Caribbean was like you know,
Speaker 3: Jeff Bezos' anus or whatever. You know, Yeah, because I'm
Speaker 3: a spoiler.
Speaker 1: Yeah, just a couple of stray things that you learn
Speaker 1: from the Wikipedia page. The Old Gangster Movie, which I
Speaker 1: always assumed as a kid, was a real old gangster
Speaker 1: movie that that's probably the best piece of filmmaking in
Speaker 1: the movie. They they like went and got old cameras
Speaker 1: and old film stock and shot that. That was the
Speaker 1: last thing they shot before they started actual production. And
Speaker 1: I it does like come across as an old movie,
Speaker 1: like it was a real old movie. No, it wasn't
Speaker 1: a real old movie. They shot it just for this,
Speaker 1: but they actually like kind of nail the look of
Speaker 1: like old gangster movies, which I will say that we
Speaker 1: owed this movie to Chevy Chase being a complete asshole,
Speaker 1: because Chris Columbus was actually supposed to be making National
Speaker 1: Lampoon's Christmas Vacation when this movie filmed, but chevy Chase
Speaker 1: was such an asshole that he quit that and became
Speaker 1: available to make a Home alone. Wow. Yeah, so that's
Speaker 1: the reason that we get Chris Columbus, who is I
Speaker 1: think the perfect person to make this movie, you know,
Speaker 1: like he just like his sensibility is like so right
Speaker 1: down the middle for sure. I think one of the
Speaker 1: big reasons that this became so popular and iconic is
Speaker 1: because it was one of the first videos that was sold.
Speaker 1: There was like a big war of like we you know,
Speaker 1: we shouldn't sell videos because that'll ruin movies and like
Speaker 1: theater going things, so we can only rent them, and
Speaker 1: like so only a few movies were sold, and this
Speaker 1: was the second highest selling video of all time behind
Speaker 1: et Like, so they were I think Disney sold movies
Speaker 1: every once in a while, but it was like kind
Speaker 1: of rare, and this was one of the first ones
Speaker 1: that was like sold wide and like everybody owned it,
Speaker 1: and then it's Gerald Ford's favorite movie for the reason
Speaker 1: the old old dipshit ex president is like this fucking
Speaker 1: movie rules.
Speaker 2: It looks like my house. Oh my, just pissing himself laughing.
Speaker 3: I remember my parents left me behind for four weeks,
Speaker 3: but that was on purpose.
Speaker 1: And then this blew my mind. They wanted to audition
Speaker 1: a person who's like a famous comedian now after seeing
Speaker 1: him in a sketch comedy show, like a children's sketch
Speaker 1: comedy show, but his parents wouldn't let him. Do you
Speaker 1: know who that young man is? No, John Mulaney. They
Speaker 1: wanted John mulaney to audition for the McAuley culkinroll, and
Speaker 1: his parents were like, no, no, thanks.
Speaker 2: Holy ship, Yeah John mulaney. No, that's that's a fucking
Speaker 2: weird timeline.
Speaker 1: Yeah, that would be Also, I don't think the movie
Speaker 1: where like just he still has the energy of like
Speaker 1: kind of a wise ass little kid. Uh, but like
Speaker 1: I feel like not the right type of wise ass
Speaker 1: little No.
Speaker 2: And also if he was if he had a cocaine
Speaker 2: problem as an adult a child actor like that, we
Speaker 2: would John mulaney would not be here.
Speaker 1: Yeah, that's all I got for home alone. Chris crofton
Speaker 1: thank you for watching Home Alone for us, No.
Speaker 3: Problem was fun. I I'm living in this house with
Speaker 3: all these roommates, and so it's like a I normally
Speaker 3: don't have a laser projector or whatever they are those
Speaker 3: projectors projector lasers. So I got to watch it on
Speaker 3: this big one of my roommates has like a big night. Yeah,
Speaker 3: like we projected. I projected it on the wall, so
Speaker 3: I got a good look at all this opulence.
Speaker 2: That like tricity.
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, it was really fun and it was really
Speaker 3: fun and uh and yeah, I actually did have affection
Speaker 3: for it. After it was done, I kind of wanted
Speaker 3: to go back in that pulls in that house.
Speaker 1: Well, well, we'll be back for another edition of this.
Speaker 1: When Miles and I watch a Christmas classic that Chris
Speaker 1: has seen and that we've never seen.
Speaker 3: You've both never seen. It's a wonderful life.
Speaker 2: We've both never seen a wonderful I mean I know
Speaker 2: that it's I knew that it was on TV, and
Speaker 2: I immediately went like, what the fuck, No, bro, it's
Speaker 2: black and white.
Speaker 3: Yeah, that immediately, I do. I agree. That makes sense
Speaker 3: to me, Yes totally.
Speaker 1: If it's so good, why is it in black and white.
Speaker 1: Merry Christmas, Merry Christmas everyone, and we'll be back. Happy Holidays,
Speaker 1: Happy Holidays, Happy holidays.
Speaker 2: Woke. No, we're not saying Merry Christmas here no, not here,
Speaker 2: no no no Mary Capitalism, Donnie will have you killed.
Speaker 3: I gotta go to the Huffington Post. I gotta check
Speaker 3: the Uffing to post.
Speaker 1: In all right, we'll be back tomorrow with another holiday episode,
Speaker 1: or back on the next weekday. Until then, Happy Holidays, bye.
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Speaker 1: produced by Bebe Wayne.
Speaker 2: Co produced by Victor Wright
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