1 00:00:23,720 --> 00:00:27,080 Speaker 1: Casey, could we get a little bit of spooky music 2 00:00:27,160 --> 00:00:29,440 Speaker 1: just for a second in the background here it is, 3 00:00:29,440 --> 00:00:34,200 Speaker 1: in fact October perfect. Welcome to the show. Ridiculous Historians, 4 00:00:34,560 --> 00:00:38,240 Speaker 1: we are men of our word. Earlier, we had floated 5 00:00:38,280 --> 00:00:43,839 Speaker 1: the idea of finding some more frightening, disturbing, creepy tales 6 00:00:43,920 --> 00:00:46,159 Speaker 1: as we get closer to Halloween. Ben, didn't we do 7 00:00:46,200 --> 00:00:48,640 Speaker 1: a pope based kind of spooky creepy tail already? But 8 00:00:48,680 --> 00:00:51,760 Speaker 1: that was pre October. No, you're right, that was pre October. 9 00:00:51,960 --> 00:00:54,320 Speaker 1: And uh, we we talked about whether or not we 10 00:00:54,320 --> 00:00:56,000 Speaker 1: should save that one, but that was just such a 11 00:00:56,040 --> 00:00:59,200 Speaker 1: cool and strange story. We were compelled. The power of 12 00:00:59,280 --> 00:01:03,120 Speaker 1: Christ compel us to put that podcast out in the world, 13 00:01:03,640 --> 00:01:08,720 Speaker 1: and the power of super producer Casey Pegram helped make 14 00:01:08,800 --> 00:01:13,080 Speaker 1: that reality. We're looking at a story today that is 15 00:01:13,520 --> 00:01:17,680 Speaker 1: equal parts ridiculous and I would say tragic, Yeah, I'd 16 00:01:17,680 --> 00:01:22,000 Speaker 1: say mainly tragic. And yeah, and this is this is 17 00:01:22,080 --> 00:01:25,440 Speaker 1: something that you had you had hipped me to knowl 18 00:01:25,520 --> 00:01:30,039 Speaker 1: which is the story of mummies in Mexico. Yeah, specifically 19 00:01:30,319 --> 00:01:34,400 Speaker 1: the Mexican town of Guanajuato, which was established in the 20 00:01:34,440 --> 00:01:38,240 Speaker 1: early sixteenth century. UM and and was something of a 21 00:01:38,360 --> 00:01:42,600 Speaker 1: boomtown for silver mining. It became that in the eighteenth 22 00:01:42,640 --> 00:01:45,320 Speaker 1: century to the point where I believe it actually kind 23 00:01:45,319 --> 00:01:48,520 Speaker 1: of messed with the economy of silver because there was 24 00:01:48,560 --> 00:01:50,560 Speaker 1: just so much damn silver coming out of there that 25 00:01:50,600 --> 00:01:52,920 Speaker 1: it like jacked with the price of silver in a 26 00:01:52,960 --> 00:01:56,440 Speaker 1: way that caused some real economic problems in the region. Absolutely. Yeah, 27 00:01:56,440 --> 00:02:00,280 Speaker 1: for a time it was the third largest silver line 28 00:02:00,440 --> 00:02:04,600 Speaker 1: on the planet in terms of production. They still have 29 00:02:04,840 --> 00:02:09,160 Speaker 1: traces of this mining industry right especially what is it 30 00:02:09,200 --> 00:02:12,160 Speaker 1: Bocca dell infer Bocca dell Inferno. It's a mine shaft 31 00:02:12,280 --> 00:02:15,200 Speaker 1: that um boca meaning mouth, So that's that's the mouth 32 00:02:15,240 --> 00:02:17,280 Speaker 1: of hell Uh and this is an attraction you can 33 00:02:17,320 --> 00:02:21,359 Speaker 1: see um there are also it's known for its beautiful architecture, 34 00:02:21,400 --> 00:02:24,800 Speaker 1: these brightly colored Baroque buildings and they are these like 35 00:02:25,000 --> 00:02:28,280 Speaker 1: narrow kind of um alleys between the buildings and it's 36 00:02:28,280 --> 00:02:33,480 Speaker 1: a very walkable, picked picturesque little city. But it also 37 00:02:33,800 --> 00:02:38,280 Speaker 1: was an important stronghold during the Mexican Revolution um when 38 00:02:38,520 --> 00:02:42,600 Speaker 1: Mexico was able to break free of Spanish control, and 39 00:02:42,639 --> 00:02:46,200 Speaker 1: that is when Father Miguel Hidalgo in eighteen ten, who 40 00:02:46,280 --> 00:02:50,240 Speaker 1: was the parish priest in Dolores put out his infamous 41 00:02:50,360 --> 00:02:53,440 Speaker 1: Grito de la Dolores, which is the shout of Dolores, 42 00:02:53,760 --> 00:02:58,760 Speaker 1: and he assembled a mob of peasants um brandishing machetees 43 00:02:58,800 --> 00:03:02,880 Speaker 1: and clubs, and they eventually made their way to kwanda 44 00:03:02,960 --> 00:03:06,720 Speaker 1: Wato because it was the most prominent largest city in 45 00:03:06,760 --> 00:03:10,160 Speaker 1: the area and that became their stronghold in the site 46 00:03:10,280 --> 00:03:13,079 Speaker 1: of the beginning of the Mexican Revolution. So a lot 47 00:03:13,080 --> 00:03:15,800 Speaker 1: of history in this town. But today's episode it's not 48 00:03:15,800 --> 00:03:18,000 Speaker 1: about any of those things. Oh yes, yes, let me 49 00:03:18,080 --> 00:03:20,440 Speaker 1: set this up. We should say that the name Guana 50 00:03:20,480 --> 00:03:26,440 Speaker 1: Wato actually translates to mountainous place of frogs, and it's 51 00:03:26,639 --> 00:03:30,519 Speaker 1: it's had several different names throughout its time because it's 52 00:03:30,520 --> 00:03:33,600 Speaker 1: a very old city. So maybe an Aztec era where 53 00:03:33,639 --> 00:03:36,080 Speaker 1: the name was, Yeah, what was it? It was the 54 00:03:36,200 --> 00:03:39,680 Speaker 1: land of straw. And the word is beautiful when the 55 00:03:39,720 --> 00:03:42,200 Speaker 1: way that's translated from and it was an Aztec word 56 00:03:42,240 --> 00:03:47,080 Speaker 1: paks titlan. You that's that is a beautiful word. I personally, 57 00:03:47,120 --> 00:03:51,640 Speaker 1: I also like the place of metals, yeah, which is 58 00:03:51,680 --> 00:03:55,280 Speaker 1: the older makes perfect sense. It was also the place 59 00:03:55,440 --> 00:04:01,240 Speaker 1: of a weird government sanctioned grave robbing. That's right. Today's 60 00:04:01,320 --> 00:04:06,800 Speaker 1: story involves grave robbing, and it involves I'm just gonna 61 00:04:06,800 --> 00:04:10,360 Speaker 1: say it, a really terrible move on the part of 62 00:04:10,680 --> 00:04:14,000 Speaker 1: local government. So there's a big city, a lot of 63 00:04:14,040 --> 00:04:17,560 Speaker 1: people get buried. You know, life happens born, you live, 64 00:04:17,600 --> 00:04:21,920 Speaker 1: and you die. And there was a cholera outbreak around 65 00:04:22,080 --> 00:04:26,920 Speaker 1: the area of Guanoatu in uh the eighteen thirties, on 66 00:04:27,040 --> 00:04:30,880 Speaker 1: eighteen thirty three or so, and these people when they expired, 67 00:04:31,160 --> 00:04:34,080 Speaker 1: they were interned, they were buried. In some cases they 68 00:04:34,120 --> 00:04:39,000 Speaker 1: were embalmed. But a few years later the local government 69 00:04:39,040 --> 00:04:42,440 Speaker 1: puts attacks on graves. Yeah. So the thing is like, 70 00:04:42,640 --> 00:04:47,160 Speaker 1: you would rent this place, like you didn't own it. Yeah, yeah, 71 00:04:47,160 --> 00:04:49,080 Speaker 1: you would rent it. And I think the initial rental 72 00:04:49,120 --> 00:04:51,560 Speaker 1: period was about five years, and then you had to 73 00:04:51,640 --> 00:04:55,159 Speaker 1: re up your rental. Your family had to you know, 74 00:04:55,360 --> 00:04:58,960 Speaker 1: assuming you had any family to speak of. And if 75 00:04:58,960 --> 00:05:01,160 Speaker 1: you didn't pay this is this is something that was 76 00:05:01,200 --> 00:05:04,040 Speaker 1: instituted between eighteen sixty five to ninety eight, by the way, 77 00:05:04,120 --> 00:05:06,680 Speaker 1: very recently done away with. And if you did not 78 00:05:06,800 --> 00:05:09,839 Speaker 1: pay for three years in a row, that's right, then 79 00:05:10,040 --> 00:05:14,720 Speaker 1: your peeps would be uprooted, literally dug up, not really 80 00:05:14,760 --> 00:05:17,200 Speaker 1: dug up because they were in these air tight um 81 00:05:17,560 --> 00:05:21,440 Speaker 1: mausoleum chambers. They would be removed uh and evicted and 82 00:05:21,480 --> 00:05:25,440 Speaker 1: they were either taken to a simple pauper's grave outside 83 00:05:25,440 --> 00:05:27,320 Speaker 1: of town. And this is the the thing too, was interesting 84 00:05:27,320 --> 00:05:31,880 Speaker 1: about the story the this so this um culture very 85 00:05:31,920 --> 00:05:34,080 Speaker 1: much reveres death. You know, you have like the Deo 86 00:05:34,120 --> 00:05:37,599 Speaker 1: Stella smuertos and all of these kind of death related 87 00:05:37,680 --> 00:05:43,479 Speaker 1: rituals and just deep veneration for one's ancestors and paying respects, 88 00:05:43,480 --> 00:05:47,440 Speaker 1: and you know, this very religious culture. The idea of 89 00:05:47,839 --> 00:05:50,800 Speaker 1: digging up these loved ones and like putting them in 90 00:05:50,880 --> 00:05:54,160 Speaker 1: a less desirable burial space had to have been very 91 00:05:54,160 --> 00:05:57,480 Speaker 1: painful for some of these families. But that wasn't even 92 00:05:57,520 --> 00:05:59,960 Speaker 1: the worst thing that could have happened, wasn't. There's stranger 93 00:06:00,000 --> 00:06:02,719 Speaker 1: of things that happened, because they would be put in 94 00:06:02,760 --> 00:06:05,200 Speaker 1: a pauper's grave, or they might be placed in an 95 00:06:05,200 --> 00:06:09,640 Speaker 1: ossuary which was actually under the cemetery grounds itself, waiting 96 00:06:09,839 --> 00:06:12,560 Speaker 1: in case the relatives would come back, cough up the 97 00:06:12,600 --> 00:06:17,440 Speaker 1: money and have their loved ones reinterred, reburied, which did 98 00:06:17,480 --> 00:06:19,680 Speaker 1: happen in a couple of cases. These people were taken 99 00:06:19,680 --> 00:06:21,919 Speaker 1: out of the grave and then put back in. But 100 00:06:22,240 --> 00:06:26,160 Speaker 1: when they were taken out of the grave, often they 101 00:06:26,160 --> 00:06:29,320 Speaker 1: weren't decayed in the way that you would expect a 102 00:06:29,360 --> 00:06:33,800 Speaker 1: dead body to rot over time. They were preserved. They 103 00:06:33,839 --> 00:06:37,240 Speaker 1: were mummies. They were mummies. They had become mummies naturally. 104 00:06:37,279 --> 00:06:41,920 Speaker 1: They were mummified by the environment in which they were interred. 105 00:06:42,080 --> 00:06:45,080 Speaker 1: I believe the first one that was found mummified was 106 00:06:45,120 --> 00:06:49,120 Speaker 1: a man named doctor Remigio Leroy in the Frenchman right 107 00:06:49,160 --> 00:06:50,640 Speaker 1: of the French doctor, I think is what he was 108 00:06:50,680 --> 00:06:52,919 Speaker 1: known as. So we're sort of burying the lead here 109 00:06:52,920 --> 00:06:54,800 Speaker 1: and we were getting there. But um, yes, Ben, this 110 00:06:54,839 --> 00:06:57,360 Speaker 1: is very important, the fact that they were naturally mummified 111 00:06:57,440 --> 00:06:59,960 Speaker 1: from lack of oxygen and just the very dry client. 112 00:07:00,000 --> 00:07:02,359 Speaker 1: I meant that that existed there as part of the world, 113 00:07:02,720 --> 00:07:05,960 Speaker 1: and so they would literally just dry out and their 114 00:07:06,000 --> 00:07:10,000 Speaker 1: clothes would rot quicker than their bodies would. Um. And 115 00:07:10,160 --> 00:07:14,960 Speaker 1: here's the thing, these mummies. When they found this, this Frenchman, 116 00:07:15,000 --> 00:07:18,400 Speaker 1: the first guy they found that had undergone this transformation, 117 00:07:19,000 --> 00:07:20,680 Speaker 1: they were like, this is pretty cool, and that they 118 00:07:20,680 --> 00:07:24,600 Speaker 1: I mean, I guess the city people that ran the mausoleum, 119 00:07:24,640 --> 00:07:26,360 Speaker 1: what do you think like city officially this was a 120 00:07:26,400 --> 00:07:30,480 Speaker 1: state run facility. Right, they were like, Okay, this is 121 00:07:30,480 --> 00:07:33,040 Speaker 1: pretty cool. We should hold onto this guy. And so 122 00:07:33,120 --> 00:07:35,560 Speaker 1: they do that, and they continue doing that for several 123 00:07:35,600 --> 00:07:37,360 Speaker 1: years before they realized, Hey, I think we might have 124 00:07:37,400 --> 00:07:40,679 Speaker 1: a little money maker on our hands. So what happens 125 00:07:40,720 --> 00:07:44,760 Speaker 1: then is the ones that the curators, let's call them 126 00:07:45,160 --> 00:07:52,240 Speaker 1: deem I guess fascinating. Enough specimens are kept and in 127 00:07:52,720 --> 00:07:57,440 Speaker 1: the fifties a museum is opened. Yes, it is true. 128 00:07:57,520 --> 00:08:00,840 Speaker 1: This hearkens back to our earlier epich sood, which seems 129 00:08:00,880 --> 00:08:04,040 Speaker 1: so so long ago. Now on corpses in a diorama, 130 00:08:04,080 --> 00:08:05,800 Speaker 1: do you remember that I very much do with the 131 00:08:06,360 --> 00:08:10,520 Speaker 1: camel and the Arabic gentleman with the human skull? I 132 00:08:10,600 --> 00:08:13,480 Speaker 1: play right? And when yes, and when we say thought 133 00:08:13,560 --> 00:08:16,640 Speaker 1: to be fascinating, what do we mean? This is pretty 134 00:08:16,640 --> 00:08:20,760 Speaker 1: graphic stuff. These mean things like mummy that was pregnant, 135 00:08:21,120 --> 00:08:25,360 Speaker 1: or people who appear to have been buried alive, such 136 00:08:25,400 --> 00:08:30,480 Speaker 1: as Ignatia Aguilar. The people who were buried alive were 137 00:08:30,920 --> 00:08:35,520 Speaker 1: almost certainly buried by accident due to the extreme nature 138 00:08:35,520 --> 00:08:37,920 Speaker 1: of the choler outbreak. And yeah, that's right. And a 139 00:08:37,920 --> 00:08:41,160 Speaker 1: lot of these um specimens were found to have cholera 140 00:08:41,400 --> 00:08:45,600 Speaker 1: or have suffered from smoke inhalation. Um there's a really great, 141 00:08:46,040 --> 00:08:51,720 Speaker 1: really short podcast from a show called Mexico Unexplained. I think, yeah, 142 00:08:51,800 --> 00:08:54,360 Speaker 1: and um it it goes into some of these details. 143 00:08:54,360 --> 00:08:57,120 Speaker 1: But um, really interesting that they would have had smoke 144 00:08:57,160 --> 00:09:01,440 Speaker 1: inhalation because it was either from smoking cigarettes are any 145 00:09:01,480 --> 00:09:04,360 Speaker 1: kind of tobacco, or possibly from working in those minds 146 00:09:04,440 --> 00:09:08,280 Speaker 1: under less than ideal conditions. Oh yes, And before we 147 00:09:08,320 --> 00:09:10,959 Speaker 1: get too far away from it, I want to clarify 148 00:09:11,040 --> 00:09:15,480 Speaker 1: because I remember it. I did find the explanation of 149 00:09:15,520 --> 00:09:18,959 Speaker 1: how this museum thing came about, and it's it's kind 150 00:09:19,000 --> 00:09:21,920 Speaker 1: of disappointing in what it says about the human condition. 151 00:09:22,280 --> 00:09:26,880 Speaker 1: Because once word of the Guandouato mummies started spreading around town, 152 00:09:27,840 --> 00:09:32,360 Speaker 1: other people in town were apparently sneaking over and paying 153 00:09:32,440 --> 00:09:35,160 Speaker 1: people who worked at the cemeteries just a couple of 154 00:09:35,200 --> 00:09:38,760 Speaker 1: pesos to sneak in and take a quick peek. So 155 00:09:38,920 --> 00:09:42,560 Speaker 1: it was a the workers were motivated by profit, and 156 00:09:42,600 --> 00:09:45,480 Speaker 1: then they were incentivized, you know, because this burial tax 157 00:09:45,520 --> 00:09:48,960 Speaker 1: is still around to pull more and more bodies out 158 00:09:48,960 --> 00:09:51,480 Speaker 1: of the crypt and then find more and more mummies 159 00:09:51,520 --> 00:09:54,680 Speaker 1: and charge more and more people to see them. So 160 00:09:54,679 --> 00:09:57,640 Speaker 1: where were they keeping them before the museum situation took off? 161 00:09:58,559 --> 00:10:01,760 Speaker 1: Before the museum they were eventually they would be kept 162 00:10:01,760 --> 00:10:05,280 Speaker 1: in that ossuary under the graveyard, just like for a 163 00:10:05,400 --> 00:10:08,320 Speaker 1: rainy day. And Kate, well, the official reason against just 164 00:10:08,400 --> 00:10:11,040 Speaker 1: in case the families come back and say, we do 165 00:10:11,080 --> 00:10:13,679 Speaker 1: have the money to pay the burial tax. But why 166 00:10:13,679 --> 00:10:16,560 Speaker 1: would they keep them versus burying them outside of town? Like, 167 00:10:16,920 --> 00:10:18,880 Speaker 1: my understanding was that they kept these because they were 168 00:10:18,920 --> 00:10:21,360 Speaker 1: so crazy looking and they like I think, I think 169 00:10:21,360 --> 00:10:24,360 Speaker 1: it's a situation again where there was an official reason 170 00:10:24,800 --> 00:10:32,280 Speaker 1: and then there was a real reason, got it. So 171 00:10:32,360 --> 00:10:35,679 Speaker 1: let's talk about this museum. When that started happening, l 172 00:10:35,840 --> 00:10:39,360 Speaker 1: Museo de las Momias, which you know, the Museum of 173 00:10:39,400 --> 00:10:42,760 Speaker 1: the Mummies, It was the same place where the cemetery 174 00:10:42,800 --> 00:10:46,920 Speaker 1: workers were just charging people several pasos to enter into 175 00:10:46,920 --> 00:10:49,160 Speaker 1: the building and see the bones and the mummies. Uh 176 00:10:49,280 --> 00:10:53,040 Speaker 1: with with again Dr Leroy being the first one on display. 177 00:10:53,080 --> 00:10:55,800 Speaker 1: But when did it officially become a museum instead of 178 00:10:55,840 --> 00:11:00,400 Speaker 1: this underground display of death. Yeah, that's right, but like 179 00:11:00,440 --> 00:11:03,199 Speaker 1: you said before, you know, um, there was money to 180 00:11:03,240 --> 00:11:07,880 Speaker 1: be made here and the government wasn't getting those mausoleum 181 00:11:08,160 --> 00:11:11,440 Speaker 1: lease rental fees, so they figured they would capitalize in 182 00:11:11,480 --> 00:11:14,440 Speaker 1: another way, and they opened this to the public in 183 00:11:14,480 --> 00:11:18,600 Speaker 1: the nineteen fifties and it was actually voted guanahats I 184 00:11:18,640 --> 00:11:23,960 Speaker 1: believe number one tourist attraction. And so for a nominal 185 00:11:24,000 --> 00:11:27,000 Speaker 1: fee of two pasos, you can take a look at 186 00:11:27,080 --> 00:11:31,280 Speaker 1: the more than a hundred um hundred and eight hundred 187 00:11:31,320 --> 00:11:36,720 Speaker 1: and eight um dried out human mummies natural mummies um 188 00:11:36,760 --> 00:11:41,760 Speaker 1: and that this includes all different types of situations in 189 00:11:41,880 --> 00:11:46,120 Speaker 1: varying stages of decay kind of Yeah, and you can 190 00:11:46,160 --> 00:11:50,200 Speaker 1: still see their facial expressions in a lot of cases, 191 00:11:50,800 --> 00:11:53,760 Speaker 1: which you know, we mentioned the somewhat gruesome details that 192 00:11:53,840 --> 00:11:57,320 Speaker 1: have allowed investigators to determine who was buried alive and 193 00:11:57,360 --> 00:11:59,679 Speaker 1: who was buried when they were actually dead. Well, when 194 00:11:59,679 --> 00:12:01,920 Speaker 1: you mentioned that was buried alive, actually still has her 195 00:12:01,960 --> 00:12:05,440 Speaker 1: hands like trans like you know, like covering her eyes, died, 196 00:12:05,480 --> 00:12:08,320 Speaker 1: biting her arm. Yeah. And and the thing too is 197 00:12:08,440 --> 00:12:13,000 Speaker 1: most of these um this cadavers um have these just 198 00:12:13,280 --> 00:12:18,320 Speaker 1: pained expressions as though they're like shrieking in agony. And 199 00:12:18,360 --> 00:12:21,240 Speaker 1: it's because of what happens when the tongue dries out 200 00:12:21,880 --> 00:12:24,920 Speaker 1: during this momification process and the jaw starts to slacken. 201 00:12:25,440 --> 00:12:28,000 Speaker 1: You start. It kind of looks like the scream you 202 00:12:28,000 --> 00:12:31,360 Speaker 1: know that that painting um and this is pretty crazy. 203 00:12:32,040 --> 00:12:36,560 Speaker 1: Ray Bradberry actually wrote a short story about based on 204 00:12:36,640 --> 00:12:39,960 Speaker 1: his visit to this this museum when he was vacationing 205 00:12:40,000 --> 00:12:43,400 Speaker 1: with his wife in in Guanahuato, um And he wrote 206 00:12:43,440 --> 00:12:46,680 Speaker 1: a story called The Next in Line where he very 207 00:12:46,760 --> 00:12:49,840 Speaker 1: vividly describes this. So I'm gonna read a little bit 208 00:12:49,880 --> 00:12:51,760 Speaker 1: of that. Take it away, Casey, can we get that 209 00:12:51,760 --> 00:12:53,679 Speaker 1: spooky music back for this? This is this? I think 210 00:12:53,840 --> 00:12:57,280 Speaker 1: I think this is this deserves it. M h. They 211 00:12:57,280 --> 00:13:01,280 Speaker 1: were screaming. They looked as if they had leaped, snapped 212 00:13:01,360 --> 00:13:06,400 Speaker 1: upright in their graves, clutched hands over their shriveled bosoms, 213 00:13:06,440 --> 00:13:12,440 Speaker 1: and screamed. Jaws wide, tongues out, nostrils flared and been 214 00:13:12,480 --> 00:13:16,880 Speaker 1: frozen that way. All of them had open mouths. There 215 00:13:16,920 --> 00:13:20,840 Speaker 1: was a perpetual screaming. They were dead and they knew 216 00:13:20,880 --> 00:13:25,560 Speaker 1: it in every raw fiber and evaporated organ, they knew it. 217 00:13:26,280 --> 00:13:30,640 Speaker 1: She stood listening to them scream. They say, dogs here sounds. 218 00:13:30,800 --> 00:13:34,800 Speaker 1: Humans never hear sounds. So many decibels higher than normal, 219 00:13:34,880 --> 00:13:39,920 Speaker 1: hearing that they seem non existent. The corridor swarmed with screams, 220 00:13:40,240 --> 00:13:45,240 Speaker 1: screams poured from terror, yawned lips and dry tongues, screams 221 00:13:45,520 --> 00:13:51,120 Speaker 1: you couldn't hear because they were so high. Who not cool, 222 00:13:51,200 --> 00:13:55,240 Speaker 1: Ray Bradberry? Not cool? What do you think about that? Then? Yeah, 223 00:13:55,280 --> 00:13:58,720 Speaker 1: I've actually I've read the story. It's um. Ray Bradberry 224 00:13:58,800 --> 00:14:02,840 Speaker 1: is a fantastic writer and very appropriate for Halloween. The 225 00:14:02,960 --> 00:14:07,240 Speaker 1: Mummy Museum also inspired other works of fiction. In the 226 00:14:07,360 --> 00:14:12,479 Speaker 1: late nineteen seventies, Veroner Herzog took uh number of shots 227 00:14:12,520 --> 00:14:15,400 Speaker 1: of these various mummies for the title sequence of his 228 00:14:15,440 --> 00:14:20,040 Speaker 1: film nos Feratu the Vampire because he just wanted a morbid, eerie, 229 00:14:20,080 --> 00:14:23,360 Speaker 1: atmospheric opening sequence. I remember that sequence, and I did 230 00:14:23,400 --> 00:14:26,440 Speaker 1: not know that, Ben. And one of the museum's other 231 00:14:26,840 --> 00:14:30,600 Speaker 1: notable points of interest is that it has the smallest 232 00:14:30,720 --> 00:14:35,120 Speaker 1: mummy in the world. It is a fetus from the 233 00:14:35,200 --> 00:14:39,840 Speaker 1: pregnant woman that we had mentioned earlier. It's a heartbreaking thing. 234 00:14:40,200 --> 00:14:44,000 Speaker 1: And it's strange to feel the turns of history so 235 00:14:44,120 --> 00:14:48,120 Speaker 1: immediate and tactile, you know, because so often we think 236 00:14:48,120 --> 00:14:52,600 Speaker 1: of these horrific or tragic events as an abstract thing 237 00:14:52,800 --> 00:14:55,720 Speaker 1: from a history book, but going and seeing these real 238 00:14:55,880 --> 00:15:00,680 Speaker 1: people is tremendously profound and moving experien orie. It's one 239 00:15:00,680 --> 00:15:03,440 Speaker 1: other work of fiction that we absolutely have to mention 240 00:15:04,160 --> 00:15:07,440 Speaker 1: is the film that incorporates the mummies of Guanda Wata 241 00:15:07,600 --> 00:15:12,360 Speaker 1: in a not accurate way, is called Santo Versus the 242 00:15:12,400 --> 00:15:18,760 Speaker 1: Mummies of Guandauato, Santo being a very popular These are 243 00:15:18,800 --> 00:15:22,280 Speaker 1: these wrestlers that wear those cool masks, and this guy 244 00:15:22,360 --> 00:15:23,960 Speaker 1: was like a real celebrity and it was almost sort 245 00:15:23,960 --> 00:15:26,760 Speaker 1: of like Abbott and Costello, you know, meets Frankenstein or whatever. 246 00:15:26,800 --> 00:15:30,760 Speaker 1: It was like a very well known national figure fighting 247 00:15:30,800 --> 00:15:36,480 Speaker 1: a very well known national monster. Yeah, Rudolfo Guzman, famous 248 00:15:36,480 --> 00:15:40,960 Speaker 1: wrestler at the time. And we found we found some 249 00:15:41,040 --> 00:15:44,320 Speaker 1: various clips of this film. You know, we get made 250 00:15:45,200 --> 00:15:48,200 Speaker 1: two and I'm all in, I want to check it out. 251 00:15:48,280 --> 00:15:50,400 Speaker 1: I want to watch the whole thing. I'll come back 252 00:15:50,440 --> 00:15:53,160 Speaker 1: with the review. If I'll come back with a review, 253 00:15:53,160 --> 00:15:56,160 Speaker 1: if there's some interest. What makes it relevant for our 254 00:15:56,200 --> 00:16:00,200 Speaker 1: interest today is that this film spread word of the 255 00:16:00,280 --> 00:16:03,720 Speaker 1: mummies outside of Mexico and people began to learn about 256 00:16:03,760 --> 00:16:06,480 Speaker 1: this on an international level. Yeah, I mean it started 257 00:16:06,880 --> 00:16:10,560 Speaker 1: kind of became much more of a fixture of popular 258 00:16:10,600 --> 00:16:15,520 Speaker 1: culture at the time, and it wasn't really replicated for 259 00:16:15,640 --> 00:16:19,200 Speaker 1: many years. UM. But it's certainly spread awareness and then 260 00:16:19,240 --> 00:16:23,400 Speaker 1: likely up the value um to the government of this place, 261 00:16:23,480 --> 00:16:28,120 Speaker 1: right right. And this leads us to the ethical question 262 00:16:28,240 --> 00:16:31,400 Speaker 1: that we've run into before, you know, and that the 263 00:16:31,520 --> 00:16:36,080 Speaker 1: question is is it right to display the bodies of 264 00:16:36,120 --> 00:16:39,440 Speaker 1: these people? Certainly, I mean it's certainly not with their consent, 265 00:16:39,760 --> 00:16:43,200 Speaker 1: and we don't know if their family members were asked, 266 00:16:43,240 --> 00:16:46,200 Speaker 1: if their family members consented. Yeah, there's actually a quote 267 00:16:46,200 --> 00:16:49,040 Speaker 1: in this piece from the Guardian UM that just talks 268 00:16:49,080 --> 00:16:53,280 Speaker 1: about how there were no laws broken in doing this, 269 00:16:53,400 --> 00:16:57,040 Speaker 1: that the Mexican people have a different attitude towards death 270 00:16:58,040 --> 00:16:59,480 Speaker 1: that they don't I don't know, and it's kind of 271 00:16:59,480 --> 00:17:00,880 Speaker 1: counter to what I said at the beginning of the show. 272 00:17:00,920 --> 00:17:03,120 Speaker 1: I would assume that it would be this would be 273 00:17:03,720 --> 00:17:07,840 Speaker 1: very disrespectful, This would be considered, um like heresy kind 274 00:17:07,880 --> 00:17:11,720 Speaker 1: of you know, to disenter people's loved ones. Um. But 275 00:17:12,320 --> 00:17:13,920 Speaker 1: you know, the guy that's in charge of this place 276 00:17:14,240 --> 00:17:17,840 Speaker 1: seems to think differently. This guy our touro To Barras, 277 00:17:17,920 --> 00:17:22,000 Speaker 1: who is the head spokesman for the Guanahuato government said 278 00:17:22,000 --> 00:17:24,240 Speaker 1: in this daily mail piece, I think I misattributed to 279 00:17:24,240 --> 00:17:27,080 Speaker 1: the Guardian earlier, um that quote. The museum is an 280 00:17:27,119 --> 00:17:31,360 Speaker 1: important part of Guanajuato's tourist appeal. Okay, that's your first point. Uh, 281 00:17:31,480 --> 00:17:34,240 Speaker 1: the museum breaks no laws and displaying its exhibit to 282 00:17:34,400 --> 00:17:36,919 Speaker 1: visitors who are given fair warning of a graphic content. 283 00:17:37,320 --> 00:17:40,440 Speaker 1: Here's the important part. We have a different cultural approach 284 00:17:40,480 --> 00:17:43,479 Speaker 1: to death in Mexico. Here we celebrate the cycle of 285 00:17:43,520 --> 00:17:47,760 Speaker 1: life and accept death as inevitable. Of the visitors leave 286 00:17:47,800 --> 00:17:51,320 Speaker 1: the experience pleased with what they saw. But here's the thing. 287 00:17:51,440 --> 00:17:54,720 Speaker 1: So many of these infants uh in in the museum, 288 00:17:54,760 --> 00:17:58,400 Speaker 1: of which there are several, are often dressed as saints. 289 00:17:58,840 --> 00:18:00,880 Speaker 1: So there's one that that's that goes by that they 290 00:18:00,880 --> 00:18:04,800 Speaker 1: call colloquially little St. Martin. Who is It's basically the 291 00:18:05,000 --> 00:18:10,119 Speaker 1: skeleton of a tiny baby wearing um, the traditional garb 292 00:18:10,160 --> 00:18:13,280 Speaker 1: of St. Martin, something called a cassock, and holding a 293 00:18:13,359 --> 00:18:18,639 Speaker 1: broom and holding rosary beads, and it is uh maccabre, 294 00:18:19,119 --> 00:18:22,160 Speaker 1: my friend. So I'm glad that you mentioned the Guardian, 295 00:18:22,240 --> 00:18:25,000 Speaker 1: because there's a Guardian piece I remembered I wanted to 296 00:18:25,040 --> 00:18:28,320 Speaker 1: bring up. It's called Why Mexicans Celebrate the Day of 297 00:18:28,320 --> 00:18:31,240 Speaker 1: the Dead by Antonio Weiss, and in there it has 298 00:18:31,280 --> 00:18:36,919 Speaker 1: this just stunnying Octovio Paz quote about what he sees 299 00:18:37,160 --> 00:18:41,320 Speaker 1: as the Mexican attitude with death. He says, the Mexican 300 00:18:41,560 --> 00:18:45,520 Speaker 1: is familiar with death, jokes about it, caresses it, sleeps 301 00:18:45,560 --> 00:18:48,920 Speaker 1: with it, celebrates it. True, there is as much fear 302 00:18:49,040 --> 00:18:52,159 Speaker 1: in his attitude as in that of others, but at 303 00:18:52,240 --> 00:18:55,320 Speaker 1: least death is not hidden away. He looks at it 304 00:18:55,359 --> 00:19:00,600 Speaker 1: face to face within patients disdain or irony, and I 305 00:19:00,640 --> 00:19:04,200 Speaker 1: think that's you know, maybe that's maybe that's what makes 306 00:19:04,200 --> 00:19:07,959 Speaker 1: it okay. Maybe this is an important thing rather than 307 00:19:08,000 --> 00:19:10,199 Speaker 1: an exploitative thing, you know what I mean, Because they 308 00:19:10,200 --> 00:19:13,359 Speaker 1: can't be making that much money, right, Profit can't be 309 00:19:13,400 --> 00:19:16,119 Speaker 1: the sole motivation at this point. It's just four thousand 310 00:19:16,200 --> 00:19:19,040 Speaker 1: visitors a week. I mean, that's a decent amount of cash. Yeah, 311 00:19:19,080 --> 00:19:21,280 Speaker 1: I guess it does add up. Yeah, sure, it's it's 312 00:19:21,320 --> 00:19:23,760 Speaker 1: been open since the fifties. I mean, you know, yeah, 313 00:19:23,760 --> 00:19:25,719 Speaker 1: you're kind of a bit of a cash cow, if 314 00:19:26,040 --> 00:19:27,560 Speaker 1: you say so myself. But I guess what I'm getting 315 00:19:27,560 --> 00:19:30,840 Speaker 1: out I'm struggling with is there was even so this 316 00:19:30,840 --> 00:19:35,040 Speaker 1: this tax was relinquished right uh and at the end 317 00:19:35,080 --> 00:19:40,200 Speaker 1: of the fifties. But but there actually was a recent 318 00:19:40,720 --> 00:19:44,159 Speaker 1: addition to this collection was a baby that died in 319 00:19:44,280 --> 00:19:46,399 Speaker 1: nineteen nine as six months old. So I want to 320 00:19:46,440 --> 00:19:48,119 Speaker 1: clear something up, real question, and we actually had a 321 00:19:48,119 --> 00:19:52,080 Speaker 1: little discussion off Mike um. The law that required the tax, 322 00:19:52,200 --> 00:19:56,160 Speaker 1: there was a grave tax went away in but there 323 00:19:56,240 --> 00:19:59,040 Speaker 1: was also like you still had to rent these spaces. 324 00:19:59,080 --> 00:20:00,960 Speaker 1: You still had the least the lace the land, and 325 00:20:01,000 --> 00:20:03,520 Speaker 1: like you would up re up it for like twenty 326 00:20:03,600 --> 00:20:05,439 Speaker 1: years or something like that, Like it started like a 327 00:20:05,480 --> 00:20:08,080 Speaker 1: five year and then if he didn't come back, then 328 00:20:08,119 --> 00:20:11,159 Speaker 1: they could still remove your loved ones corpse. And that 329 00:20:11,240 --> 00:20:15,080 Speaker 1: happened with this baby. And the really heartbreaking thing is 330 00:20:15,119 --> 00:20:18,200 Speaker 1: apparently the baby is in the collection the museum and 331 00:20:18,320 --> 00:20:25,600 Speaker 1: the mother who's still living ah pretty regularly comes and visits. Yeah, 332 00:20:25,720 --> 00:20:28,320 Speaker 1: and there's something the description of how this happens sounds 333 00:20:28,320 --> 00:20:33,400 Speaker 1: remarkably cold. So if the if the family, the surviving 334 00:20:33,400 --> 00:20:38,359 Speaker 1: relatives choose not to pay or resign on that lease, 335 00:20:38,760 --> 00:20:40,920 Speaker 1: then the body is removed and it goes to the 336 00:20:41,040 --> 00:20:45,800 Speaker 1: museum's curator, and the curator inspects the corpse to see 337 00:20:45,800 --> 00:20:48,760 Speaker 1: whether it's good enough to be added to the collection. 338 00:20:49,119 --> 00:20:51,200 Speaker 1: And I had earlier said the number was a hundred 339 00:20:51,320 --> 00:20:54,440 Speaker 1: and eight corpses in the display, but I believe it's 340 00:20:54,440 --> 00:20:57,000 Speaker 1: a hundred and eleven now because they have added some. 341 00:21:02,440 --> 00:21:04,440 Speaker 1: I though that wasn't too confusing with the difference between 342 00:21:04,480 --> 00:21:07,400 Speaker 1: the grave tax and the lease, because they were two 343 00:21:07,400 --> 00:21:09,520 Speaker 1: different things and through me for a little bit. But no, 344 00:21:09,960 --> 00:21:11,600 Speaker 1: I mean, we we got there. I think we did. 345 00:21:11,720 --> 00:21:14,640 Speaker 1: I think we did. Um, So what's what's next? Yeah, 346 00:21:14,680 --> 00:21:16,320 Speaker 1: this sounds like a place that I would be intrigued. 347 00:21:16,320 --> 00:21:18,080 Speaker 1: I mean, I'm I'm into kind of like this sort 348 00:21:18,119 --> 00:21:19,960 Speaker 1: of dark type stuff. I went to the Museum of 349 00:21:20,000 --> 00:21:22,680 Speaker 1: Death in l a And quite enjoyed that, even though 350 00:21:22,720 --> 00:21:24,720 Speaker 1: some of it was even a little little much for me. 351 00:21:24,880 --> 00:21:28,280 Speaker 1: A lot of like embalming videos and uh, you know, 352 00:21:28,720 --> 00:21:31,879 Speaker 1: murder crime scene photographs and things like that. Um, but 353 00:21:31,960 --> 00:21:34,640 Speaker 1: do you think this is right? Ben? Do you think 354 00:21:34,640 --> 00:21:37,520 Speaker 1: this is a value to society to be able to 355 00:21:37,560 --> 00:21:40,880 Speaker 1: experience death in such a raw, uh you know, kind 356 00:21:40,920 --> 00:21:43,479 Speaker 1: of detached way. It's it's interesting to me. I mean, 357 00:21:43,520 --> 00:21:46,040 Speaker 1: that's the question I asked earlier in the show. You 358 00:21:46,040 --> 00:21:51,440 Speaker 1: know what, ethically, is this more useful to humanity as 359 00:21:51,520 --> 00:21:56,560 Speaker 1: as a memorial, as a a way of educating people, 360 00:21:57,080 --> 00:22:01,760 Speaker 1: or is it exploitative. It seemed like the museum itself 361 00:22:01,840 --> 00:22:04,800 Speaker 1: has a lot of support from the local community, and 362 00:22:05,400 --> 00:22:09,399 Speaker 1: it is of benefit to science because we're able to 363 00:22:09,440 --> 00:22:14,840 Speaker 1: research the process of natural mummification. Texas State University had 364 00:22:14,920 --> 00:22:19,560 Speaker 1: some great research on how this stuff occurs and how 365 00:22:19,600 --> 00:22:25,240 Speaker 1: the environment interacts with the corpse. But I would say 366 00:22:25,320 --> 00:22:28,120 Speaker 1: it's similar to UM. Did you ever see that bodies exhibit? 367 00:22:28,600 --> 00:22:31,439 Speaker 1: I never did, UM, but I've seen photographs of it, 368 00:22:31,520 --> 00:22:35,159 Speaker 1: and that perfectly preserved condaverage whether you see the muscles 369 00:22:35,160 --> 00:22:37,640 Speaker 1: and all that, and it's fascinating. Yeah, where you see 370 00:22:38,000 --> 00:22:42,640 Speaker 1: organs or the circulatory system or nervous system taken out 371 00:22:42,760 --> 00:22:45,480 Speaker 1: and kind of plastic size to give you a better 372 00:22:45,520 --> 00:22:49,680 Speaker 1: look at human anatomy. But those people, when they were alive, 373 00:22:49,960 --> 00:22:53,920 Speaker 1: didn't consent to that, right, Surely not in every case, 374 00:22:54,640 --> 00:22:57,120 Speaker 1: And we have to ask ourselves at what point does 375 00:22:57,160 --> 00:23:01,200 Speaker 1: the benefit to science or the benefit to history outweigh 376 00:23:01,520 --> 00:23:07,360 Speaker 1: the the ethical pitfalls of displaying someone's corpse after they die. 377 00:23:07,640 --> 00:23:10,760 Speaker 1: I will say that I if I'm in that town, 378 00:23:10,920 --> 00:23:13,560 Speaker 1: I will go visit just because I think it's in 379 00:23:13,600 --> 00:23:17,879 Speaker 1: a way it if it were like memorial or commemorating 380 00:23:18,080 --> 00:23:20,920 Speaker 1: the deaths of those people, and these were not. These 381 00:23:20,920 --> 00:23:22,920 Speaker 1: were not for the most part, these were not well 382 00:23:22,920 --> 00:23:25,480 Speaker 1: off folks. These were what's sort of the point, right, 383 00:23:25,760 --> 00:23:27,959 Speaker 1: these were common people. Yeah, I mean the idea they 384 00:23:27,960 --> 00:23:29,560 Speaker 1: had to you know, because I mean rich people would 385 00:23:29,560 --> 00:23:31,080 Speaker 1: have been able to buy a plot, right, and you 386 00:23:31,119 --> 00:23:33,800 Speaker 1: certainly didn't have to lease. That's not the law. It's 387 00:23:33,800 --> 00:23:36,480 Speaker 1: just they couldn't afford to buy a grave plot, so 388 00:23:36,520 --> 00:23:38,200 Speaker 1: they were able to lease it in one of these 389 00:23:38,320 --> 00:23:42,560 Speaker 1: municipal cemeteries, mausoleums or whatever. Right, absolutely, and I would 390 00:23:42,640 --> 00:23:48,480 Speaker 1: air on the side of scientific benefit and historical commemoration. Uh. 391 00:23:48,480 --> 00:23:52,560 Speaker 1: Guandawato's mayor, Dr Eduardo Hicks at that back in two 392 00:23:52,640 --> 00:23:58,119 Speaker 1: thousand seven, initiated the Guandawato Mummy Research Project and invited 393 00:23:58,200 --> 00:24:01,080 Speaker 1: several scientists to go out and spend more than a 394 00:24:01,160 --> 00:24:04,080 Speaker 1: year exploring the origin and the development of the mummies. 395 00:24:04,520 --> 00:24:10,240 Speaker 1: And it's also been a subject of national geographic documentary 396 00:24:10,320 --> 00:24:13,520 Speaker 1: series which I'm gonna tell you the name of it. 397 00:24:13,640 --> 00:24:16,520 Speaker 1: I haven't seen the series, but the name throws me off. 398 00:24:16,560 --> 00:24:20,040 Speaker 1: You're ready, I am the Mummy road Show. Nice, So 399 00:24:20,080 --> 00:24:22,280 Speaker 1: it's sort of like the Antiques road Show, but with 400 00:24:22,280 --> 00:24:26,520 Speaker 1: with mummies. Yeah, I feel like, yeah, that's a little glib. 401 00:24:27,119 --> 00:24:30,840 Speaker 1: But in these recent years they've learned a lot about 402 00:24:30,960 --> 00:24:34,000 Speaker 1: the people, the individuals who were interred here and then 403 00:24:34,119 --> 00:24:37,720 Speaker 1: later displayed in this museum. It's it's an incredibly interesting 404 00:24:37,840 --> 00:24:40,800 Speaker 1: article and if you would like to read it, let 405 00:24:40,880 --> 00:24:43,359 Speaker 1: me know on Ridiculous Historians and we can just post 406 00:24:43,400 --> 00:24:46,840 Speaker 1: it up there. And if you are a person who 407 00:24:47,119 --> 00:24:49,000 Speaker 1: does not want to see any of the visuals of 408 00:24:49,000 --> 00:24:54,600 Speaker 1: this stuff, we completely understand. This particular article has no photographs. Well, 409 00:24:54,640 --> 00:24:56,040 Speaker 1: I think that's a pretty good place to leave it. 410 00:24:56,040 --> 00:24:58,520 Speaker 1: There's certainly if you're into photographs, there's plenty of them 411 00:24:58,520 --> 00:25:02,240 Speaker 1: out there. Uh. And these are really pretty upsetting images, 412 00:25:02,440 --> 00:25:05,560 Speaker 1: to be honest, But it's also they're strangely beautiful, I 413 00:25:05,560 --> 00:25:08,199 Speaker 1: want to say, very hunting as as you may have 414 00:25:08,200 --> 00:25:10,760 Speaker 1: gotten from that Ray Bradberry passage, and it really apparently 415 00:25:10,800 --> 00:25:13,679 Speaker 1: severely affected him and that he felt the need to 416 00:25:13,720 --> 00:25:16,760 Speaker 1: write this piece to kind of exercise some of those 417 00:25:16,760 --> 00:25:19,800 Speaker 1: demons from himself. Um, and I could see that. I 418 00:25:19,840 --> 00:25:21,520 Speaker 1: wonder what it smells like in their ben It probably 419 00:25:21,520 --> 00:25:23,400 Speaker 1: is kind of musty, like an old library or something, 420 00:25:23,400 --> 00:25:26,359 Speaker 1: because these these corpses would not have had a smell 421 00:25:26,440 --> 00:25:29,879 Speaker 1: of putrification because everything was just dried up, right the 422 00:25:29,960 --> 00:25:34,880 Speaker 1: momentification happened so rapidly, uh, like a lot of museums. 423 00:25:34,880 --> 00:25:39,119 Speaker 1: It probably just smells old in some inexplicable way. But 424 00:25:39,200 --> 00:25:42,920 Speaker 1: our senses are so vulnerable to our pre existing uh 425 00:25:43,080 --> 00:25:47,840 Speaker 1: mental states, right, so maybe we are mentally capturing the smell. 426 00:25:47,920 --> 00:25:50,200 Speaker 1: You know what. It probably it probably smells like cleaning 427 00:25:50,760 --> 00:25:54,160 Speaker 1: cleaning supplies because there's a lot of glass, so I'm 428 00:25:54,160 --> 00:25:56,560 Speaker 1: sure they have to use a ton of windex. It 429 00:25:56,640 --> 00:25:59,280 Speaker 1: probably smells faintly clean. Yeah, we a little bit of 430 00:25:59,320 --> 00:26:02,199 Speaker 1: a chemical sme and I have a question too. So 431 00:26:02,200 --> 00:26:05,399 Speaker 1: so far we have we have covered a very interesting 432 00:26:06,000 --> 00:26:11,359 Speaker 1: specific type of vampire native to the Philippines. We've looked 433 00:26:11,440 --> 00:26:14,800 Speaker 1: at mummies, although they were not monster mummies from an 434 00:26:14,840 --> 00:26:18,879 Speaker 1: old universal horror film or something. What particular monsters are 435 00:26:19,000 --> 00:26:23,399 Speaker 1: historical cases of monstrosities? Sha? We should we look at next? 436 00:26:23,440 --> 00:26:27,000 Speaker 1: Should we look at the trials of werewolves? That's always 437 00:26:27,040 --> 00:26:29,720 Speaker 1: an interesting strange path to go on one of the 438 00:26:29,760 --> 00:26:31,119 Speaker 1: things we did the other night, when we had a 439 00:26:31,119 --> 00:26:33,080 Speaker 1: game Night of the Obvious, played a game called werewolf 440 00:26:33,760 --> 00:26:38,080 Speaker 1: um where I ended up falsely accusing several of my 441 00:26:38,200 --> 00:26:41,479 Speaker 1: closest friends and co workers of being warewolves and had 442 00:26:41,520 --> 00:26:44,040 Speaker 1: them lynched. And they didn't deserve that. Then they were 443 00:26:44,040 --> 00:26:46,480 Speaker 1: they were villages, they were townspeople the whole time, and 444 00:26:46,600 --> 00:26:48,440 Speaker 1: they will be able to forgive myself for that. They 445 00:26:48,440 --> 00:26:51,440 Speaker 1: probably won't be able to forgive you either. I deserve it. 446 00:26:52,280 --> 00:26:54,640 Speaker 1: I deserve it. But um in in in their memory, 447 00:26:55,480 --> 00:26:58,520 Speaker 1: we should, in fact research something about werewolves. I think 448 00:26:58,520 --> 00:27:01,399 Speaker 1: that's smart. Yeah, let us know there's a werewolf story 449 00:27:01,400 --> 00:27:04,640 Speaker 1: that particularly stands out to you. I'd love to ben. 450 00:27:04,720 --> 00:27:07,240 Speaker 1: You might be saying, but how on earth do I 451 00:27:07,400 --> 00:27:11,080 Speaker 1: contact you? Guys? Well, it's quite simple. We've got good news. 452 00:27:11,160 --> 00:27:13,040 Speaker 1: If you are on the internet, you can find us 453 00:27:13,040 --> 00:27:15,360 Speaker 1: on Instagram, you can find us on Twitter. 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Thank you to Jonathan Strickland, 463 00:27:51,760 --> 00:27:57,560 Speaker 1: a k a. The Quister. There's been quiet lately, uh, folks, 464 00:27:57,600 --> 00:28:01,240 Speaker 1: I suspect Noll really know you like him? Dear friends, Sure, 465 00:28:01,400 --> 00:28:04,240 Speaker 1: whatever you say, but oh man, alright, well, I will 466 00:28:04,280 --> 00:28:06,520 Speaker 1: try to keep the Quister heat off of you. Like 467 00:28:06,720 --> 00:28:09,119 Speaker 1: I'm kidding. I welcome it. I need a little little 468 00:28:09,200 --> 00:28:10,960 Speaker 1: kick in the pants every now and then. Who better 469 00:28:11,000 --> 00:28:13,359 Speaker 1: to do it than that guy? And most importantly, we're 470 00:28:13,359 --> 00:28:16,640 Speaker 1: gonna thank you for bringing this great story to the show. 471 00:28:16,680 --> 00:28:18,560 Speaker 1: Oh man, no problem. There was a lot of fun. No, 472 00:28:18,800 --> 00:28:20,600 Speaker 1: that's not that's not the right thing at all. It 473 00:28:20,640 --> 00:28:22,360 Speaker 1: wasn't really fun at all. It was kind of disturbing 474 00:28:22,359 --> 00:28:25,239 Speaker 1: and upsetting. But I'd rather there's no one I'd rather 475 00:28:25,280 --> 00:28:27,840 Speaker 1: be disturbed and upset with in this world bend than you, 476 00:28:28,320 --> 00:28:30,800 Speaker 1: and you, folks, we'll see you next time.