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Speaker 1: I will start with this shout out to Rob because

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Speaker 1: me and Rob had many a conversations obviously about this Micau,

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Speaker 1: about this Jerry Jones, and my whole thought process was,

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Speaker 1: you know, hopefully if you're Jerry Jones, this is what

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Speaker 1: you do is part for the chorus. Blah blah blah.

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Speaker 1: They're gonna find a way. And I'm not in the

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Speaker 1: business of wanting to trade my best player. Rob would say, hey,

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Speaker 1: if you can get a haul for him, you know,

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Speaker 1: you trade them. I think they ended up being split

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Speaker 1: somewhere down the middle because I don't think they got

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Speaker 1: a haul for one of the top maybe you know,

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Speaker 1: ten twelve players in the league. Sure, I don't think

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Speaker 1: you got a haul for that. I don't think you

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Speaker 1: got enough. And still stand that, and I think you

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Speaker 1: would agree we talked about it. That fine, if you're

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Speaker 1: gonna trade him, why trade him now when you could

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Speaker 1: have traded him earlier, right around the draft and actual

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Speaker 1: and actualized those two first round picks, right you could

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Speaker 1: have hate we got these things, we could turn right

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Speaker 1: around and use them. And so you could have done

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Speaker 1: it earlier. You could have done it last year. Maybe

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Speaker 1: even got more as as far as actual players and picks.

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Speaker 3: So to me, it split down the middle.

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Speaker 1: He could have got much more if he were going

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Speaker 1: to trade them based on when he could have traded him.

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Speaker 1: So now, Martin, we hear this coming out, that this

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Speaker 1: was a unanimous decision to trade him, And so, according

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Speaker 1: to Nick Harris of Fort Worth Star Telegram, sources behind

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Speaker 1: the scenes, they basically said the relationship between the Cowboys

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Speaker 1: and Micah had gotten so bad obviously over the last

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Speaker 1: few weeks with all the stuff going on, it was irreparable,

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Speaker 1: and that Jerry Jones and he confirmed it with other

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Speaker 1: people that listen, we're gonna have to make this trade,

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Speaker 1: and that you had the front office in, you had

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Speaker 1: some of the front facing players, some of the leaders

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Speaker 1: on the team that were consulting in this. They were

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Speaker 1: in and there was a unanimous decision once it got

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Speaker 1: to this point that it has the last couple of

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Speaker 1: weeks in including coach Brian Schottenheimer being involved in this

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Speaker 3: So to me, I look at this a couple of ways, Martin. One,

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Speaker 3: this is where we.

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Speaker 1: Got to I still stand a lot of the portion

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Speaker 1: is on Jerry Jones and the business and the way

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Speaker 1: he handled his business and the reasons why he.

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Speaker 3: Does what he does.

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Speaker 1: That's how we got to this place where it became

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Speaker 1: a unanimous decision. So when you get when you don't

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Speaker 1: trade him when you had the opportunity, as we mentioned it,

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Speaker 1: well now you're kind of forced to get what you

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Speaker 1: can get, right, I will just take what we can get.

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Speaker 3: When you could have had.

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Speaker 1: More people who were throwing out offers, had you talked

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Speaker 1: about this a few months ago, or even before the draft,

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Speaker 1: more teams jump in right, Hey, well shoot, Micah's up.

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Speaker 3: I'll give you.

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Speaker 1: This could have had much more a bigger feel to

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Speaker 3: So Number one, I blame that on Jerry and the

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Speaker 3: way handle it.

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Speaker 1: You could have traded him a couple of years ago

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Speaker 1: when your front office and your team came to you. Hey, man,

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Speaker 1: if we're gonna trade Michael right now. You know, we

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Speaker 3: It's'ld be a great time to do it. He's youngest,

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Speaker 1: We can get a lot for him. Nah, we're gonna

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Speaker 1: keep him a couple of years. I'nna sign him. That

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Speaker 1: to where now you can't go back. Michael's upset. Micah's

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Speaker 1: causing a fuss. He's laying on the training table. He's

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Speaker 1: eating popcorn. He's telling Atlanta Falcons fans to call him.

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Speaker 1: You're over here yelling it. You're going at it with

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Speaker 1: the agent. You've got to the place so there is

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Speaker 1: no return. Now, since we're here, let me offer you this, Martin.

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Speaker 1: When a relationship ends, you've been in a relationship. Hopefully

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Speaker 1: the one you're in never gonna end because you just

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Speaker 1: got married. Congrats again, thank you. But you've been in

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Speaker 1: ones that have We all have. And and by the way,

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Speaker 1: relationship don't have to be romantic. You can be business

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Speaker 1: and partners. It could be homeboys, your friend and that

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Speaker 1: all right, here we are, now this relationship ended. Well, Michaeh,

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Speaker 1: let me offer you this. This is a chance for

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Speaker 1: to say, well, dang, if everybody's saying I'm crazy, maybe

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Speaker 1: I am. And what I mean by that, Michael Martin,

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Speaker 1: is that if everybody, Jerry, get it right, Michaeh, Yeah,

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Speaker 1: you're not crazy. Yeah, let me get back this where

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Speaker 1: on Tuesdays and Thursdays. But look, if we get reports

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Speaker 3: Hey, this guy's getting a little beside himself.

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Speaker 1: We have his own players coming out on podcasts saying

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Speaker 3: And we know what he's done. He's jumped in other

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Speaker 1: That's one of the things all athletes tell you, and man,

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Speaker 1: don't talk about my money.

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Speaker 4: That's between me and ownership.

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Speaker 1: You don't jump in another man's money and putting opinions

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Speaker 1: out there on that. He's done that. He's talked about

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Speaker 1: his own coaching staff. He's questioned them when they lost

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Speaker 1: in the playoffs. Sagreen, Hey calling them out. I'm not

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Speaker 1: the one putting me out there, y'all, man, I'm a linebacker.

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Speaker 3: They too it. I don't call the players up.

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Speaker 1: When you have all of these things starting to happen,

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Speaker 1: the leader. Now it's time to self reflect, right, Okay,

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Speaker 3: I'm going to Green Bay. What do I need to do?

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Speaker 1: Because there's two parts, two reasons why our relationship beens.

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Speaker 1: It ain't just them. How do you improve? So to me,

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Speaker 1: this reset Micah is a great time for Micah to

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Speaker 1: a better leader. There's ways I can get better defensively,

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Speaker 1: And just because I can doesn't mean I should have

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Speaker 1: I'm dak Is all of a sudden getting shots thinking

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Speaker 1: about what happened on the practice field. I got to

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Speaker 1: answer questions of these. So you had your fun a

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Speaker 1: Now it's trying to buckle down, bunker down. And to me,

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Speaker 1: to reassess, it's okay.

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Speaker 3: For you to switch up how you've been doing things.

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Speaker 1: And to me, I look at this opportunity for Micah

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Speaker 1: as well, because you don't come off this thing scathe.

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Speaker 1: They're you know, free and spotless and flawless. You've got

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Speaker 5: So I think what's fascinating is because we all were

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Speaker 5: looking at this again this trade shout out to Ricky

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Speaker 5: Schmokes or Scoops or whatever his name was on Twitter

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Speaker 4: Don't you know?

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Speaker 5: Let's eat Line's app and kind of giving it like

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Speaker 4: It's like Wait a minute, is this real?

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Speaker 5: So we all kind of thought that the deal was

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Speaker 4: And one of the.

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Speaker 5: Things that I've made me feel different about this the

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Speaker 5: have been locked in to every move of Jerry Jones

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Speaker 4: I've seen.

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Speaker 5: I saw that I've covered the Zeke negotiations from Afar

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Speaker 5: the Zeke one. The one that made this different is

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Speaker 5: when you looked at just the last four to three

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Speaker 5: when Michael Parsons was drafted, you remember he had sat

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Speaker 4: That boy is a hall of fame. At Rusher, I

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Speaker 5: name's on front of the check, right. Jerry's signing in

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Speaker 5: Wednesday of the Cowboys week, it's about what Michael Parson's

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Speaker 5: will say, well, Jerry said, we're all in.

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Speaker 4: Where's the all in? Do you know?

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Speaker 5: Like this type of situation, there is no Tuesday owner

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Speaker 5: conversation in Green Bay. Michael Parsons will be the story.

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Speaker 5: If you can tell us this podcast along the Way.

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Speaker 5: I don't see it stopping for the record. But I

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Speaker 5: if a first, it's like if jj Reddick had went

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Speaker 5: he's the Bronz guy, even if jj Reddick was instrumental

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Speaker 5: you can directly point to why jj Reddick did all

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Speaker 5: Everybody that's Lebrons guy. You know he's gonna win it anyway.

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Speaker 1: We've been chatting about all different aspects of this trade.

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Speaker 5: Screwed this up. So this is my this because this

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Speaker 5: you feel about moving forward with big contracts?

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Speaker 4: You know, do you feel like there's gonna be an issue?

437
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Speaker 5: He said, Ask Dak how it goes, Because to the credit,

438
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Speaker 5: we never saw any near the animosity with Dak in

439
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Speaker 5: his situation as we did with Jerry and Micah in

440
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Speaker 5: this situation. Every step of the way, Jerry said, the

441
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Speaker 5: agent got in the way. Michael Parsons up until Monday,

442
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Speaker 5: up until August first, explicitly said he wanted to be

443
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Speaker 5: a cowboy. Jerry Jones offered him a contract. If you

444
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Speaker 5: believe what Jerry said in his press conference, I don't

445
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Speaker 5: know why you would lie, Like there's plenty of reasons

446
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Speaker 5: why he would lie, but like I feel like it's

447
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Speaker 5: too easily refutable to just flatly lie. And if I'm wrong,

448
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Speaker 5: then the journalists who are covering this on a day

449
00:20:04,880 --> 00:20:07,480
Speaker 5: to day basis should probably figure that out and out it.

450
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Speaker 5: But if Jerry wanted to offer Michael the most guaranteed

451
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Speaker 5: money the defensive player has ever gotten in the NFL, right,

452
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Speaker 5: and apparently Rob you was telling me, was reported at

453
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Speaker 5: forty then again at forty five, which would have topped

454
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Speaker 5: all the deals currently at the times that they were offered.

455
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Speaker 5: It feels like Micah got this deal from Jerry said

456
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Speaker 5: this sounds good, went back to David Mulagetta, who is like, hey, no, no, no, bro,

457
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Speaker 5: We're gonna blow the top off of this thing. And

458
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Speaker 5: then Jerry said, look, why was the agent trying to

459
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Speaker 5: get this headline when I'm trying to build a team,

460
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Speaker 5: And I get that. Just to me, it seems like this,

461
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Speaker 5: you have an agent. I don't have an agent, but

462
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Speaker 5: I have an understanding of how agents work. I believe

463
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Speaker 5: you have an agent. I'm mean to talk out of turn,

464
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Speaker 5: but that agent works for you, and it's supposed to

465
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Speaker 5: represent what you want. He will give you advice, but

466
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Speaker 5: if you want to stay where you're at, that agent

467
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Speaker 5: is supposed to negotiate the best you can get for

468
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Speaker 5: where you're at. If you want to leave, then he's

469
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Speaker 5: supposed to negotiate the best that he can get for

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Speaker 5: you to leave. If Michael Parsons' goal was to have

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Speaker 5: the most money possible, then this is a win. If

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Speaker 5: Michael Parson's goal, which it seemed to be from everything

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Speaker 5: he has said up until August, first, I want to

474
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Speaker 5: be a cowboy for life seemed to be. I wanted

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Speaker 5: to be a cowboy for life, and so that's why

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Speaker 5: I find it fascinating. He's talking right now, and I

477
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Speaker 5: know I've been long winded, but I'll pin it in this.

478
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Speaker 5: He's talking right now. I can't hear what he's saying. Obviously,

479
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Speaker 5: I'll go back and listen to this whole thing. I

480
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Speaker 5: would love to know what he says about the Dallas

481
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Speaker 5: Cowboys in this pressure because to me, if it's anything

482
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Speaker 5: but I'm a Green Bay packer now, they made the

483
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Speaker 5: investment in me, I'm not looking back. If he says

484
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Speaker 5: anything about how I wanted to end my career in Dallas.

485
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Speaker 5: I wanted to stay in Dallas. I wanted to be

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Speaker 5: a cowboy. I love the cowboys growing up. Any of

487
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Speaker 5: that reminiscing thing. If he's not moved on like a

488
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Speaker 5: true mercenary. Then I feel like we're looking at Tyreek

489
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Speaker 5: Hill two point zero on a lesser scale because the

490
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Speaker 5: Cowboys didn't have the same success as the Chiefs. You

491
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Speaker 5: had a guy who was on a Hall of Fame

492
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Speaker 5: track and Michael parsoner still on a Hall of Fame track,

493
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Speaker 5: and Tyreek Hill is still the same. But a guy

494
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Speaker 5: who really liked where he was at wanted to get

495
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Speaker 5: paid more than the team that he was at was

496
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Speaker 5: willing to offer him and looks back a few years

497
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Speaker 5: later and says, man, I kind of wish I was

498
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Speaker 5: where I was at, So.

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Speaker 1: You said a lot. Let's let me backtrack on a

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Speaker 1: few things. One if we have our first conversation meeting

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Speaker 1: Jerry and Mikah and they're talking about the contract, as

502
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Speaker 1: we just had Nick Harriens talking about and it's been

503
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Speaker 1: out there that we know. The first time they had

504
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Speaker 1: this conversation was in March at a game. They're kicking it,

505
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Speaker 1: they're hanging out and blah blah, they're talking about the contract.

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Speaker 1: My goal and job as an agent is to say cool,

507
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Speaker 1: I understand y'all might have chopped it up and in

508
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Speaker 1: the contract came up and everything. I get that, but

509
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Speaker 1: it's March. It's early, and I'm not ready to have

510
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Speaker 1: that deal. And yet I should have been involved in

511
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Speaker 1: that right Also, I believe Michael wanted to. I believe

512
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Speaker 1: he said we meant what he said when he said

513
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Speaker 1: I'm willing to take less.

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Speaker 3: Money, blah blah blah.

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Speaker 1: But once in the process of negotiations, Martin, you talk

516
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Speaker 1: about agents. I know Kelvin Washington knows, let alone a

517
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Speaker 1: professional one of the best players in all the football

518
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Speaker 1: that should know. Like, there's a process that goes back,

519
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Speaker 1: that happened. There's negotiations. We want this, we want that. Okay,

520
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Speaker 1: the money's right, but we want another year. Oh we're

521
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Speaker 1: not gonna give you another year. Okay, the money's right,

522
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Speaker 1: but we want more of an incentives. So if he

523
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Speaker 1: gets twelve fifteen sacks, you give him an extra two milk.

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Speaker 3: You get what I mean. There's back and forth.

525
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Speaker 1: It's not as easy as just here's a dollar amount,

526
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Speaker 1: cool sign. There's a lot that goes into this. That

527
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Speaker 1: that's why money can get hired because of incentives or

528
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Speaker 1: that's why we have outs, little small.

529
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Speaker 3: Clauses in the contract where we can get out.

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Speaker 1: Trust me, I've had the been beneficiary of some of

531
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Speaker 1: these things.

532
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Speaker 3: It matters.

533
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Speaker 1: And so if in the process of us going through

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Speaker 1: the negotiations, and again, I don't mind being a bad

535
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Speaker 1: guy if I'm David Moulah.

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Speaker 3: Getta, here's the issue.

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Speaker 1: If all of a sudden, the guy who wants to

538
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Speaker 1: be here in Micah, now Jerry Jones, starts taking personal shots,

539
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Speaker 1: start questioning you know all he's missing games, making it

540
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Speaker 1: like he's all injury prone, and makes him out to me, Oh,

541
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Speaker 1: we had this deal.

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Speaker 3: I don't know why he's got to do that. That's

543
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Speaker 3: all about us.

544
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Speaker 1: And now you put me in weird positions with my

545
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Speaker 1: agent when you know how business goes, Jerry, why would

546
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Speaker 1: you now put me in this weird thing where I'm

547
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Speaker 1: going again, it's the guy who is being advantageous for me,

548
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Speaker 1: who's who's helping me.

549
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Speaker 3: Now you're trying to make it where I might have

550
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Speaker 3: beep with him.

551
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Speaker 1: And then again now things start to get weird in

552
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Speaker 1: personal between Micah and Jerry. This is where again to me,

553
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Speaker 1: David Mullagetta says, all right, we might need to start

554
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Speaker 1: exploring some other options. So in the process of doing

555
00:24:38,119 --> 00:24:40,760
Speaker 1: business things are gonna get tricky, things are gonna get dicey.

556
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Speaker 3: It doesn't have to get personal.

557
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Speaker 1: And I think that's where Micah started to want to

558
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Speaker 1: kind of shart tapping out.

559
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Speaker 5: I wonder at what point, cause we as the talking

560
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Speaker 5: heads here on the radio, we remember things as they

561
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Speaker 5: get reported and may not be able to because we're

562
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Speaker 5: reacting to things as are happening.

563
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Speaker 4: You got to slot things in a timeline.

564
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Speaker 5: If that first meeting, like Nick Harris said, was where

565
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Speaker 5: it all went south because he went back to the

566
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Speaker 5: agent and the agent was not pleased with everything that happened.

567
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Speaker 5: Jerry went on that podcast with Michael Irvin and said, Mulagat,

568
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Speaker 5: can you say that on the radio?

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Speaker 4: Mulagat had said to stick it.

570
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Speaker 5: Up my Yeah, he's sticking up his ass like that

571
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Speaker 5: at no plight If Jerry I heard it as blufter

572
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Speaker 5: initially right, but if what if he's.

573
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Speaker 3: Not, what if it's on Let's say he really said it,

574
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Speaker 3: What does that matter?

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Speaker 4: If so, that's my point.

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Speaker 5: If he really said it, If your agent went to

577
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Speaker 5: your boss and told you to shove something up his ass,

578
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Speaker 5: then like I can understand where the negotiations might fall apart.

579
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Speaker 5: A bit like I can understand where two interested parties

580
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Speaker 5: who were trying to get a deal done and the

581
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Speaker 5: middleman in between. If he's I mean, and I haven't heard,

582
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Speaker 5: I heard Ryan Clark said that David Mulla get it

583
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Speaker 5: and said Jerry Jones said he said it to him right, So.

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Speaker 1: I'm take I'm gonna take him. Let's take him at

585
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Speaker 1: his word, Martin. Let's take Jerry's worth. He said that

586
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Speaker 1: you don't think at eighty two years old, an oil tycoon,

587
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Speaker 1: a man who was dealt with many a big time

588
00:26:18,160 --> 00:26:21,560
Speaker 1: deals with some violatile players, and Charles Haley was on

589
00:26:21,600 --> 00:26:24,800
Speaker 1: the team, you know, and violatle guys and viola little

590
00:26:24,800 --> 00:26:27,280
Speaker 1: agents over thirty plus years owned the team that it

591
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Speaker 1: ain't got real. We ain't said some talking, some smack,

592
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Speaker 1: but at the end of the day, if business need

593
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Speaker 1: to get done, business need to get done. Let me

594
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Speaker 1: also add to this, David Moulah get a. The reason

595
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Speaker 1: why I say that is because what he does is set.

596
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Speaker 3: The market for his clients. Go over this again.

597
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Speaker 1: Jordan loved twenty twenty four negotiating four year deal two

598
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Speaker 1: undred twenty million dollars after like eight games were like

599
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Speaker 1: hold on, wait, he got that extension, We're likel is

600
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Speaker 1: he deserve it?

601
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Speaker 3: Yet? What doesn't matter?

602
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Speaker 1: He got it Antwine will Winfield Junior big time deal,

603
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Speaker 1: which had him be the highest paid defensive back at

604
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Speaker 1: that time last year twenty twenty four. Yeah, we already

605
00:27:01,359 --> 00:27:03,800
Speaker 1: know what de John Watson did. So my point is,

606
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Speaker 1: it seems like he knows what he's doing. It seems

607
00:27:07,320 --> 00:27:09,600
Speaker 1: like he isn't able to get guys the big money,

608
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Speaker 1: including Micah. And all I'm saying is if he says

609
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Speaker 1: he didn't say it, Jerry says he said it, let's

610
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Speaker 1: put it in the middle somewhere. Maybe he said, Jerry, no,

611
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Speaker 1: that's a terrible deal. He can shove it without the

612
00:27:19,920 --> 00:27:21,920
Speaker 1: a word or something. I didn't go there. Maybe he

613
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Speaker 1: didn't say that. Point is, dude, we're talking about millions

614
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Speaker 1: and hundreds of millions of dollars in contracts and negotiations,

615
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Speaker 1: and they can get tight, they can get contentis they.

616
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Speaker 4: Can get ugly.

617
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Speaker 1: I think Jerry is mad enough to be able to

618
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Speaker 1: be like, all right, Like that shouldn't be the thing

619
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Speaker 1: of all the things of forty years of dealings, that

620
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Speaker 1: that's this thing that set him back.

621
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Speaker 2: Be sure to catch live editions of The Odd Couple

622
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Speaker 2: with Rob Parker and Kelvin Washington weekdays at seven pm

623
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Speaker 2: Eastern four pm Pacific on Fox Sports Radio and the

624
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Speaker 2: iHeartRadio app.

625
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Speaker 1: Arch man and we had a chance to talk about

626
00:27:54,680 --> 00:27:56,080
Speaker 1: him throughout the week. I didn't get a chance to

627
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Speaker 1: talk about him much with you, Martin. I want to

628
00:28:01,160 --> 00:28:05,960
Speaker 1: let you offer this thought on arch Manning being obviously

629
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Speaker 1: the biggest talk.

630
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Speaker 3: In fact, me and Rob j have argued about this.

631
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Speaker 1: He wants people to already march for Arch and start

632
00:28:13,040 --> 00:28:15,840
Speaker 1: losing on purpose, start taking already my goy's can the

633
00:28:15,880 --> 00:28:19,479
Speaker 1: NFL season start? But you had an interesting comparison when

634
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Speaker 1: it came to arch Manning.

635
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Speaker 5: So Sean King said it earlier today, and if you

636
00:28:25,080 --> 00:28:27,280
Speaker 5: want to go back and hear that, he said it

637
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Speaker 5: about an hour ago, bottom of the last hour, if

638
00:28:30,760 --> 00:28:34,760
Speaker 5: you're going to scroll back on the podcast. But how

639
00:28:34,800 --> 00:28:40,200
Speaker 5: can any respectable draft analyst have arch Manning as slated

640
00:28:40,280 --> 00:28:43,400
Speaker 5: right now as a number one overall pick. There is

641
00:28:43,880 --> 00:28:49,200
Speaker 5: nothing on tape or on film that shows that that

642
00:28:49,280 --> 00:28:51,560
Speaker 5: could be the case at this moment.

643
00:28:51,600 --> 00:28:52,760
Speaker 4: If arch Manning.

644
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Speaker 5: Goes out on Saturday, God forbid, and breaks his legging,

645
00:28:55,800 --> 00:28:59,320
Speaker 5: is out for the entire season. There's enough out there

646
00:29:00,160 --> 00:29:03,080
Speaker 5: for Kyrie Irvin style when he came as a freshman

647
00:29:03,120 --> 00:29:04,960
Speaker 5: and only played eleven games at Duke, to know that

648
00:29:05,040 --> 00:29:07,640
Speaker 5: this is the number one overall pick. I think, no,

649
00:29:09,240 --> 00:29:12,200
Speaker 5: I just can't buy that. And I think what's happening

650
00:29:12,240 --> 00:29:18,720
Speaker 5: here is a very close cousin. No pun attended, because

651
00:29:18,800 --> 00:29:22,040
Speaker 5: you know the nephew deal of what happened with Shador

652
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Speaker 5: and Dion. Shador Sanders was the most popular football player

653
00:29:28,920 --> 00:29:33,040
Speaker 5: in college football the last two seasons. I don't think

654
00:29:33,040 --> 00:29:38,640
Speaker 5: it's close like once are the non Caleb Williams edition. Right,

655
00:29:38,640 --> 00:29:40,880
Speaker 5: if you want to go, even if you want to

656
00:29:40,920 --> 00:29:43,480
Speaker 5: make that, I'm leaving with you. I would argue he

657
00:29:43,560 --> 00:29:45,960
Speaker 5: was still more popular. Caleb might have been obviously the

658
00:29:45,960 --> 00:29:47,160
Speaker 5: better prospect, but right.

659
00:29:47,040 --> 00:29:49,000
Speaker 4: It might have been the better prospect, better player. I'm

660
00:29:49,040 --> 00:29:49,640
Speaker 4: not saying that.

661
00:29:49,720 --> 00:29:53,200
Speaker 5: I'm talking about the most popular because and the reason

662
00:29:53,200 --> 00:29:56,400
Speaker 5: why he was the most popular. The reason why Shador

663
00:29:56,560 --> 00:30:00,880
Speaker 5: Sanders was the most popular player in college ball was

664
00:30:00,920 --> 00:30:03,200
Speaker 5: not because of what he did at Jackson State. It

665
00:30:03,320 --> 00:30:05,880
Speaker 5: was because of the noise that it was arriving with

666
00:30:05,960 --> 00:30:10,560
Speaker 5: his father and with Dion Sanders. Now Shador however, you

667
00:30:10,600 --> 00:30:12,600
Speaker 5: won the Demons College's career. I think he had a

668
00:30:12,640 --> 00:30:15,320
Speaker 5: decent one. Like that's not for me to judge. Colorado

669
00:30:15,360 --> 00:30:18,000
Speaker 5: apparent it was great when they retired to Jersey. Either way,

670
00:30:19,320 --> 00:30:26,520
Speaker 5: Arch Manning has a handful of starts rights a peace

671
00:30:26,600 --> 00:30:30,200
Speaker 5: sign of starts two we're three, right, And when he

672
00:30:30,280 --> 00:30:34,200
Speaker 5: was throwing out there against Georgia after Sark kind of

673
00:30:34,280 --> 00:30:36,720
Speaker 5: benched quinn Ewers in the middle of that game, it

674
00:30:36,760 --> 00:30:39,800
Speaker 5: wasn't like Arch came in and was like just wheeling

675
00:30:39,880 --> 00:30:43,600
Speaker 5: and dealing and then he like it is phrase that

676
00:30:43,880 --> 00:30:48,960
Speaker 5: Arch sat behind quinn Eewers. Are we sure that Arch

677
00:30:49,320 --> 00:30:52,920
Speaker 5: didn't just not win the job? And I think those

678
00:30:52,960 --> 00:30:57,520
Speaker 5: are And that's fine if he didn't. But instead of

679
00:30:57,640 --> 00:31:00,600
Speaker 5: talking about how he is the next he ain't coming,

680
00:31:01,720 --> 00:31:03,920
Speaker 5: like Sean King has said initially, he's going in with

681
00:31:03,960 --> 00:31:04,800
Speaker 5: a blank slate.

682
00:31:05,320 --> 00:31:06,320
Speaker 4: I'm with him on that.

683
00:31:07,320 --> 00:31:10,000
Speaker 5: I don't know if Arch Manning is supposed to be

684
00:31:10,000 --> 00:31:12,960
Speaker 5: great because I've never seen him play. And unless you've

685
00:31:12,960 --> 00:31:17,760
Speaker 5: seen Texas practice, guess what, you haven't either, all.

686
00:31:17,720 --> 00:31:18,760
Speaker 4: Right, So.

687
00:31:20,280 --> 00:31:23,080
Speaker 1: This is why I hear you, But I don't agree

688
00:31:23,120 --> 00:31:29,160
Speaker 1: with the overall premise because I do think seeing him practice,

689
00:31:29,240 --> 00:31:32,640
Speaker 1: I do think the prognosticators and the folks who would say,

690
00:31:32,680 --> 00:31:35,560
Speaker 1: you know, the elite scouts would say I saw this

691
00:31:35,920 --> 00:31:38,640
Speaker 1: when he was fifteen or sixteen. They would say, I've

692
00:31:38,680 --> 00:31:41,200
Speaker 1: been seeing this since he was in high school. And

693
00:31:41,240 --> 00:31:42,920
Speaker 1: that's what they do when it comes to these young

694
00:31:42,960 --> 00:31:45,320
Speaker 1: talented folks, and you can pick the sport, whether it

695
00:31:45,360 --> 00:31:48,240
Speaker 1: be MLB. We're hearing about Bryce Young before he really

696
00:31:48,400 --> 00:31:49,640
Speaker 1: was able to get on the scene.

697
00:31:49,880 --> 00:31:51,720
Speaker 4: Let's not even bring up a lebron right.

698
00:31:51,800 --> 00:31:54,040
Speaker 1: Because you're looking at the stature, you're looking at what

699
00:31:54,080 --> 00:31:57,800
Speaker 1: they're doing with their competition, and then you prognosticate what

700
00:31:57,840 --> 00:32:00,840
Speaker 1: could potentially be as well. And when you look at

701
00:32:02,000 --> 00:32:03,960
Speaker 1: what he was doing in high school, obviously one of

702
00:32:04,000 --> 00:32:06,000
Speaker 1: the best star five star with the best quarterbacks in

703
00:32:06,040 --> 00:32:09,560
Speaker 1: the country. You look at his size at six' four two.

704
00:32:09,640 --> 00:32:13,160
Speaker 1: Whatever you look at the difference between he and his.

705
00:32:13,240 --> 00:32:16,320
Speaker 1: Uncles they ain't running from. Nobody if it was between

706
00:32:16,320 --> 00:32:18,040
Speaker 1: the race and the, statue the statue might have a.

707
00:32:18,160 --> 00:32:20,960
Speaker 1: Chance Between peyton And. Eli now you got a guy

708
00:32:21,000 --> 00:32:23,440
Speaker 1: who has big time arms, strength who is maybe won't

709
00:32:23,480 --> 00:32:25,720
Speaker 1: ultimately be as accurate as A peyton or something like.

710
00:32:25,760 --> 00:32:27,200
Speaker 1: THAT i, mean he is just he was the sheriff

711
00:32:27,200 --> 00:32:30,200
Speaker 1: for a. Reason but he can sling that, thing and

712
00:32:30,240 --> 00:32:32,600
Speaker 1: he's mobile and he can. Run and we just As

713
00:32:32,640 --> 00:32:34,560
Speaker 1: Sean kings sit up here to tell me he ain't

714
00:32:34,600 --> 00:32:35,280
Speaker 1: gonna be like his.

715
00:32:35,400 --> 00:32:37,680
Speaker 3: Huncles he was more Like Josh allen Well.

716
00:32:37,720 --> 00:32:39,720
Speaker 1: Daign if you're telling me he's gonna be like THE

717
00:32:39,840 --> 00:32:42,680
Speaker 1: mvp That eli never, Was i'm gonna take.

718
00:32:42,720 --> 00:32:45,719
Speaker 5: That that's the Same Sean king that said he's walking

719
00:32:45,800 --> 00:32:49,280
Speaker 5: into this thing with a blank. Slate on Arch, MANNING

720
00:32:49,440 --> 00:32:52,000
Speaker 5: i get the point that you're. Making i'm not taking.

721
00:32:52,000 --> 00:32:54,280
Speaker 5: AWAY i get that he has the, SIZE i get

722
00:32:54,320 --> 00:32:56,680
Speaker 5: that he has the, speed AND i get that He's cooper's,

723
00:32:56,680 --> 00:32:59,440
Speaker 5: son Not peyton And eli. Son so the boy can

724
00:32:59,560 --> 00:33:00,840
Speaker 5: run Because cooper play wide.

725
00:33:00,880 --> 00:33:03,280
Speaker 3: Receiver there's a great wide. Receiver, yes, Right SO i

726
00:33:03,400 --> 00:33:03,960
Speaker 3: get all of.

727
00:33:04,000 --> 00:33:08,479
Speaker 5: That but the idea that we know that Arch manning

728
00:33:08,600 --> 00:33:10,280
Speaker 5: is like if you want to have a favorite for

729
00:33:10,320 --> 00:33:13,200
Speaker 5: The heisman because you Think texas would be really, good all.

730
00:33:13,320 --> 00:33:15,000
Speaker 4: Right i'm not having a big argument with.

731
00:33:15,040 --> 00:33:17,440
Speaker 5: THAT i also, think don't think who the favorite at

732
00:33:17,480 --> 00:33:20,160
Speaker 5: a certain point in, time and a betting market is

733
00:33:20,200 --> 00:33:22,960
Speaker 5: as predictive as people make it out to, me simply

734
00:33:23,000 --> 00:33:26,520
Speaker 5: because somebody is the favorite today does not mean much

735
00:33:26,560 --> 00:33:28,320
Speaker 5: for who you. Know go back and look at who

736
00:33:28,440 --> 00:33:30,960
Speaker 5: the top five favorites FOR mvp at the start.

737
00:33:30,720 --> 00:33:31,760
Speaker 4: Of the year and who they are at the.

738
00:33:31,880 --> 00:33:34,640
Speaker 5: END i know, This Jared golf And Sham darnold weren't

739
00:33:34,680 --> 00:33:37,160
Speaker 5: near the top of the list right at the start

740
00:33:37,200 --> 00:33:39,120
Speaker 5: of the. Season right at the end of the, season

741
00:33:39,120 --> 00:33:41,400
Speaker 5: they both would have finished in the top ten when

742
00:33:41,400 --> 00:33:42,080
Speaker 5: you break it all.

743
00:33:42,120 --> 00:33:47,080
Speaker 4: Down this is my. Point let's let him do something.

744
00:33:47,160 --> 00:33:51,040
Speaker 5: First, Now i'm the first to tell you If Arch

745
00:33:51,120 --> 00:33:54,720
Speaker 5: manning walks into The horseshoe and throws a party On

746
00:33:54,960 --> 00:33:58,400
Speaker 5: Ryan day and The Ohio State, BUCKEYES i will come

747
00:33:58,440 --> 00:34:01,800
Speaker 5: in here On shaturday with An Arts MANNING t shirt

748
00:34:02,040 --> 00:34:04,920
Speaker 5: because he Beat Ohio. State BUT i am not still

749
00:34:04,960 --> 00:34:07,160
Speaker 5: about to sit up here and say that he's gonna

750
00:34:07,160 --> 00:34:10,759
Speaker 5: be the number one overall. Pick because all last YEAR

751
00:34:10,800 --> 00:34:12,960
Speaker 5: i Said Shad Door sanders was the best quarterback in the.

752
00:34:13,000 --> 00:34:14,279
Speaker 4: CLASS i was dead.

753
00:34:14,320 --> 00:34:17,640
Speaker 5: Wrong BUT i had Seen shador play at least twelve

754
00:34:17,640 --> 00:34:19,879
Speaker 5: games at a high level and was watching him play

755
00:34:19,920 --> 00:34:22,719
Speaker 5: every single, YEAR i mean every single week leading up to,

756
00:34:22,760 --> 00:34:24,080
Speaker 5: it and now THAT i watch him, Play MOORE i was, Like,

757
00:34:24,120 --> 00:34:25,120
Speaker 5: OKAY i think it's gonna be Cam.

758
00:34:25,120 --> 00:34:26,000
Speaker 4: WARD i think it's be Cam.

759
00:34:26,040 --> 00:34:29,440
Speaker 5: Ward but like the idea That Arts manning is you're

760
00:34:29,520 --> 00:34:32,040
Speaker 5: slated in your number one, spot the idea that if

761
00:34:32,040 --> 00:34:34,520
Speaker 5: you if you project you, said he'll be more Like Josh,

762
00:34:34,520 --> 00:34:35,360
Speaker 5: allen you Will Jor.

763
00:34:35,440 --> 00:34:36,759
Speaker 4: Burrow all, right, COOL i.

764
00:34:36,760 --> 00:34:38,799
Speaker 5: Get that whatever you want to had that, Conversation but

765
00:34:38,840 --> 00:34:41,640
Speaker 5: to say's the number one overall pick, today to me

766
00:34:41,680 --> 00:34:43,040
Speaker 5: IT'S i just don't understand.

767
00:34:43,080 --> 00:34:44,600
Speaker 4: It, see but they see that.

768
00:34:44,640 --> 00:34:47,439
Speaker 1: Happens that happens at times when We Kayleb williams could

769
00:34:47,440 --> 00:34:49,120
Speaker 1: have been a number one, pick you, know the year

770
00:34:49,160 --> 00:34:50,160
Speaker 1: he won The, hides but he came.

771
00:34:50,200 --> 00:34:52,080
Speaker 3: Back we've done that all.

772
00:34:52,400 --> 00:34:54,600
Speaker 4: But think about. That think about what you just, Said caleb.

773
00:34:54,320 --> 00:34:56,640
Speaker 3: Won The heisman. EXACTLY i hear you on.

774
00:34:56,760 --> 00:34:58,799
Speaker 1: That but when they've had this thing locked in their

775
00:34:58,840 --> 00:35:02,600
Speaker 1: head that this person is that, guy and let alone

776
00:35:02,840 --> 00:35:04,719
Speaker 1: the pedigree in which he comes, with AND i do

777
00:35:04,800 --> 00:35:07,959
Speaker 1: believe that matters not so much is simply the, name

778
00:35:08,480 --> 00:35:12,120
Speaker 1: but the. Pedigree because Arch, Manning Archie manning played the,

779
00:35:12,600 --> 00:35:14,560
Speaker 1: position played at the high, level was in THE nfl for.

780
00:35:14,640 --> 00:35:15,840
Speaker 1: Years it would have been better if he was with

781
00:35:15,920 --> 00:35:18,879
Speaker 1: another team other than The. AINTS i, KNOW i knew

782
00:35:18,920 --> 00:35:19,440
Speaker 1: you were gonna say.

783
00:35:19,440 --> 00:35:20,000
Speaker 4: That my. Bad i'm.

784
00:35:20,000 --> 00:35:21,160
Speaker 3: Sorry they was The aints then all.

785
00:35:21,239 --> 00:35:25,359
Speaker 1: Right and then when they telling, you, no, Man i'm telling,

786
00:35:25,400 --> 00:35:26,560
Speaker 1: YOU i got another.

787
00:35:26,600 --> 00:35:27,080
Speaker 4: One my.

788
00:35:27,160 --> 00:35:29,560
Speaker 1: Son his Name's, peyton And peyton lives up to. That no,

789
00:35:29,760 --> 00:35:31,960
Speaker 1: Man i'm telling, YOU i got another. One it's my

790
00:35:32,080 --> 00:35:35,239
Speaker 1: son And ELI i kind of and they both become

791
00:35:35,360 --> 00:35:37,799
Speaker 1: number one. Picks i'm gonna jump on on the, limit

792
00:35:37,880 --> 00:35:39,960
Speaker 1: say they know what they're talking about when it comes

793
00:35:40,000 --> 00:35:43,239
Speaker 1: to the quarterback. Position and if they're looking At arch

794
00:35:43,320 --> 00:35:45,200
Speaker 1: and they're, like, oh he's one of the ones, Again

795
00:35:46,160 --> 00:35:48,200
Speaker 1: i'm gonna jump out on the limit and say they

796
00:35:48,280 --> 00:35:50,200
Speaker 1: seem to know what they're talking, about if nothing else

797
00:35:50,239 --> 00:35:53,920
Speaker 1: in the, world but with the quarterback, position they seem

798
00:35:53,960 --> 00:35:56,279
Speaker 1: to have that on. Lock so to, Me i'm looking

799
00:35:56,320 --> 00:35:58,640
Speaker 1: at what he was able to do in high, school

800
00:35:58,719 --> 00:36:01,279
Speaker 1: looking at the, size look at the, strip looking at the.

801
00:36:01,320 --> 00:36:05,399
Speaker 1: Pedigree i'm thinking this is absolutely gonna make. Sense now

802
00:36:05,440 --> 00:36:08,560
Speaker 1: to your, point he's gonna if he comes out and is,

803
00:36:08,719 --> 00:36:12,279
Speaker 1: terrible WHICH i don't see that, happening then, yeah we're

804
00:36:12,280 --> 00:36:14,600
Speaker 1: gonna have to. Reconsider BUT i absolutely believe he's on the.

805
00:36:14,640 --> 00:36:17,399
Speaker 1: TRACK i also don't believe he's coming out next year

806
00:36:18,080 --> 00:36:20,200
Speaker 1: BECAUSE i think he has A i think he wants

807
00:36:20,239 --> 00:36:23,000
Speaker 1: to have a college. EXPERIENCE i think he wants to

808
00:36:23,080 --> 00:36:25,839
Speaker 1: become A Texas longhortaned. LEGEND i think he wants to

809
00:36:25,880 --> 00:36:28,239
Speaker 1: be cemented and have a couple of years and try

810
00:36:28,239 --> 00:36:30,160
Speaker 1: to win a national. Title maybe A heisman comes with.

811
00:36:30,200 --> 00:36:32,160
Speaker 1: THAT i think he wants to have the full college.

812
00:36:32,160 --> 00:36:34,000
Speaker 1: Experience AND i just got kind of started for a

813
00:36:34,040 --> 00:36:35,960
Speaker 1: year AND i left, out SO i don't think he's

814
00:36:36,000 --> 00:36:39,040
Speaker 1: not pressed. Either he make nil, money and if he

815
00:36:39,080 --> 00:36:41,799
Speaker 1: didn't make a single dag on, dime he was good

816
00:36:41,840 --> 00:36:44,680
Speaker 1: financially with the fam and all of. That SO i

817
00:36:44,760 --> 00:36:47,080
Speaker 1: fully expect him to play two. Years, PERSONALLY i think

818
00:36:47,080 --> 00:36:49,680
Speaker 1: he wants to be a college. Legend look WHAT i

819
00:36:49,719 --> 00:36:52,319
Speaker 1: did for a couple of years starting and you have

820
00:36:52,320 --> 00:36:53,960
Speaker 1: to do that IN i don't think one year will

821
00:36:53,960 --> 00:36:54,840
Speaker 1: do it for, him just.

822
00:36:54,960 --> 00:36:56,879
Speaker 3: Him other guys have done the one. YEAR i don't

823
00:36:56,880 --> 00:36:57,400
Speaker 3: think he'll do.

824
00:36:57,480 --> 00:36:57,600
Speaker 1: That