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Speaker 1: Welcome back to the pod. We were presented by when

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Speaker 1: Bett Fenians the team sport put together win Bett Eric

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Speaker 1: Ellen here down in Mobile, Alabama with Phil Sevage, Jet

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Speaker 1: Senior executive UM on the football side. Of course, Phil,

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Speaker 1: I wanted to ask you the tagline for the Senior

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Speaker 1: Bowl is the Draft begins in Mobile. Do you believe that?

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Speaker 1: I think for the general public and the media, it

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Speaker 1: probably does for sure. That was a tagline that Jim Naggy,

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Speaker 1: the the executive director who took over the game after

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Speaker 1: I left, came up with. And I think it's really stuck.

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Speaker 1: You know, they've made it a hashtag, and so you know,

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Speaker 1: this is really the beginning of that journey that marched

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Speaker 1: towards the end of April and the draft. And you know,

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Speaker 1: for the coaching staffs in particular and even some of

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Speaker 1: the general managers, you know, they haven't really been able

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Speaker 1: focus on college football as much, and so this is

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Speaker 1: their intro to a hundred and ten or a hundred

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Speaker 1: and twenty players that are down here to get started

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Speaker 1: on that on that process to the draft. How pumps

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Speaker 1: were you when you heard that the Jets have been

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Speaker 1: asked the coach in this game, And how does that

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Speaker 1: change from a personnel perspective that your staff is actually

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Speaker 1: here with the kids on the field and in the classroom. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: of course, in December I knew there was a chance

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Speaker 1: that we were gonna be at least in the mix

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Speaker 1: to coach the game, and ultimately when that call came

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Speaker 1: and word began to trickle out to our staff, you know,

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Speaker 1: I think, particularly in these COVID times, it's even more

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Speaker 1: valuable than maybe even in the past, because there have

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Speaker 1: been some limitations the last two years in terms of

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Speaker 1: the interaction of our scouts and myself personally. When we

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Speaker 1: go to a college campus, you don't have quite as

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Speaker 1: much access as maybe you did too prior to two

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Speaker 1: years ago. So I think our coaching staff can certainly

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Speaker 1: fill in some blank that we might have on certain prospects.

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Speaker 1: And of course they're gonna going to form their own

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Speaker 1: opinions on some of these prospects, and you know that

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Speaker 1: could it could be in a positive way for the player,

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Speaker 1: but there you know, obviously not every single player we like,

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Speaker 1: you know, so it could be to verify that, Okay,

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Speaker 1: there's a reason you guys didn't like this particular prospect

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Speaker 1: and you know, we saw that during the week or

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Speaker 1: in the meeting rooms or what have you. So I

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Speaker 1: think again to re emphasize the fact that in these

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Speaker 1: COVID times, I think it's even more valuable than it

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Speaker 1: would have been in a normal year prior to every

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Speaker 1: day is a new normal. But does the Senior Bowl

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Speaker 1: feel a little bit more normal this year at this point? Uh,

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Speaker 1: since the pandemic began a couple of years ago. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: I would definitely say so. You know, last year, every

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Speaker 1: person that attended the game, staff, coaches, players, everyone was

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Speaker 1: tested I mean league wide every single day. So that's

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Speaker 1: something that has not happened here this year. And you know, unfortunately,

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Speaker 1: Lower Alabama we were hit by a series of hurricanes

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Speaker 1: in the fall of of and I've always said, hey,

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Speaker 1: when the hurricanes came through the front door, coronavirus went

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Speaker 1: out the back. So it's been a little bit more

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Speaker 1: of a freer society in this part of the country

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Speaker 1: for sure, you know, over the last year so and

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Speaker 1: and that has certainly, uh, you know, you guys have

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Speaker 1: felt that being here, coming up from from New Jersey

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Speaker 1: down to Mobile, how big of an opportunity is this

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Speaker 1: for you guys? Ahead with the two top ten picks,

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Speaker 1: number four, number ten, the four picks in the top three.

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Speaker 1: Year you got the nine selections, but the four picks

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Speaker 1: in the top thirty eight. That's the third time since

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Speaker 1: nine seventy the Jets have had four picks at early Well,

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Speaker 1: it's an enormous opportunity for us to really continue to

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Speaker 1: bring in players that we really want. You know, we're

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Speaker 1: we don't move up, moved down, if we just sat still,

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Speaker 1: we're going to get four players that we really like.

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Speaker 1: And um, you know, that's a that's a huge opportunity

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Speaker 1: for us to improve the team. And I think one

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Speaker 1: thing about the Singer Bowl. You know, these a hundred

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Speaker 1: spite of the fact that okay, you got the combine

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Speaker 1: have a nice book on on those players that were

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Speaker 1: So you know, now that gives us a chance to

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Speaker 1: focus more attention on other players, particularly guys that are

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Speaker 1: we don't have to spend as much time researching these

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Speaker 1: know everything about them. Let's focus our attention on some

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Speaker 1: other players over the next couple of months. What did

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Speaker 1: you think about the early returns on investment in that

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Speaker 1: Of course, Joe trades up for Elijah Vera Tucker. You

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Speaker 1: get Elijah More at the top of the second round.

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Speaker 1: uh went out early this year, But what great value

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Speaker 1: with the defensive backs you're talking about Jason Pinnock, who

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Speaker 1: Michael Carter looks like he's gonna be a long term

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Speaker 1: I think the great news about those particular players is,

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Speaker 1: first of all, they got a lot of experience this year.

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Speaker 1: But secondly, it wasn't just the talent that they brought

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Speaker 1: we saw more flashes than consistency. With others we saw

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Speaker 1: a little bit more consistency. But I think every one

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Speaker 1: a temperament, uh, that it's going to take to be successful.

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Speaker 1: And so you know, too two to build off that draft,

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Speaker 1: I think it as a staff, it gives us some

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Speaker 1: confidence in terms of going into this draft that, Okay,

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Speaker 1: some of the things that we did last year really

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Speaker 1: we were able to apply it and it worked. And

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Speaker 1: so now that gives us a bit of a template

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Speaker 1: moving forward to say, Okay, this is what we had

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Speaker 1: success within. You know, let's let's let's go that same

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Speaker 1: direction with some of the guys that will see this year.

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Speaker 1: So I think we're definitely encouraged by this last draft,

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Speaker 1: and you know, hopefully we'll just continue to get better

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Speaker 1: in terms of not only our evaluations of the talent,

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Speaker 1: sticking to the blueprint in terms of we're playing young players.

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Speaker 1: We know this is gonna be bumps along the way,

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Speaker 1: but they need these reps because the Jets and more

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Speaker 1: snaps from rookies on offense and defense than anybody in

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Speaker 1: and we should all be encouraged by that because there

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Speaker 1: is this game plan, this strategy that's been communicated across

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Speaker 1: the whole organization. So it feels like there's been buying

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Speaker 1: I do think the idea of it being communicated from

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Speaker 1: this is a bit of a reset and now you know,

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Speaker 1: we may even take a step backwards before we were

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Speaker 1: able to go forward. And I think, you know, those

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Speaker 1: I said, Hey, that was fifty eight minutes of our

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Speaker 1: that was a game where you know, for for the

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Speaker 1: vast majority of that game, we played our best football

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Speaker 1: weren't able to finish it. And you know that comes

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Speaker 1: So you know, I think the future is bright, particularly

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Speaker 1: And I think we have, you know, the full confidence

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Speaker 1: talk about Robert Sala and his staff and the way

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Speaker 1: bringing the energy. It seems like the perfect staff for

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Speaker 1: you know, I've I've really been impressed with Robert his approach.

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Speaker 1: the Senior Bowl, Gus had it three years a row.

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Speaker 1: And then he was here with the Niners, you know,

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Speaker 1: as a coordinator under Kyle Shanahan, and they had a

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Speaker 1: very productive draft in the aftermath of that showing here

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Speaker 1: having gone through a season where we played all these

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Speaker 1: rookies and as you pointed out, the most snaps of

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Speaker 1: any team in the league that they would you know,

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Speaker 1: this would be an extension of the regular season. We're

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Speaker 1: just gonna keep embracing these young prospects, you know, try

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Speaker 1: to teach them the right way, let them grow. And

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Speaker 1: I think that's one of the one of the aspects

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Speaker 1: You know, the media is here for the most part

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Speaker 1: narratives are set on these prospects based off one practice

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