1 00:00:00,280 --> 00:00:04,720 Speaker 1: From UFOs to psychic powers and government conspiracies. History is 2 00:00:04,840 --> 00:00:09,119 Speaker 1: riddled with unexplained events. You can turn back now or 3 00:00:09,240 --> 00:00:12,159 Speaker 1: learn this stuff they don't want you to know. A 4 00:00:12,280 --> 00:00:13,960 Speaker 1: production of iHeartRadio. 5 00:00:24,200 --> 00:00:26,480 Speaker 2: Hello, welcome back to the show. My name is Matt, 6 00:00:26,720 --> 00:00:27,640 Speaker 2: my name is Nolan. 7 00:00:27,720 --> 00:00:30,080 Speaker 3: They call me Ben. We're joined as always with our 8 00:00:30,160 --> 00:00:34,320 Speaker 3: super producer Alexis code named Doc Holliday Jackson. Most importantly, 9 00:00:34,640 --> 00:00:39,280 Speaker 3: you are here. That makes this the stuff they don't 10 00:00:39,320 --> 00:00:42,120 Speaker 3: want you to know. And by the way, folks, if 11 00:00:42,159 --> 00:00:45,240 Speaker 3: you live in the fair metropolis of Los Angeles, we 12 00:00:45,360 --> 00:00:47,559 Speaker 3: got to say we like it here. Three fourths of 13 00:00:47,640 --> 00:00:52,120 Speaker 3: us are on the road. But the strange news continues. 14 00:00:52,920 --> 00:00:57,240 Speaker 3: We've got what you call Nola heavy sandwich today. We've 15 00:00:57,240 --> 00:01:01,440 Speaker 3: got stories of like a lot of news broke right 16 00:01:01,480 --> 00:01:04,840 Speaker 3: as we were recording last week, right after we recorded, 17 00:01:05,000 --> 00:01:10,160 Speaker 3: the tragic cancer diagnosis of Kate Middleton came out. We 18 00:01:10,280 --> 00:01:15,200 Speaker 3: also learned about a very suspicious Moscow attack, also heartbreaking, 19 00:01:15,240 --> 00:01:17,399 Speaker 3: which we're going to dive into. We've got a fun 20 00:01:17,480 --> 00:01:20,280 Speaker 3: superstition story from Japan. Before we do any of that, 21 00:01:20,600 --> 00:01:23,360 Speaker 3: there's something we've been talking about off air that occurred 22 00:01:23,480 --> 00:01:25,160 Speaker 3: quite recently in Maryland. 23 00:01:25,520 --> 00:01:29,240 Speaker 2: Yes, and actually I just got an update as we 24 00:01:29,400 --> 00:01:33,080 Speaker 2: began rolling here, so we will work that into the story. 25 00:01:33,120 --> 00:01:37,120 Speaker 2: But let's begin with what occurred in the early hours 26 00:01:37,200 --> 00:01:41,680 Speaker 2: of Tuesday, March twenty sixth, and we will give you 27 00:01:41,720 --> 00:01:45,000 Speaker 2: some of this information from an NPR article titled what 28 00:01:45,040 --> 00:01:49,920 Speaker 2: We Know and Don't Know about Baltimore's Key Bridge collapse. So, 29 00:01:50,040 --> 00:01:52,800 Speaker 2: in those early morning hours of Tuesday, March twenty sixth, 30 00:01:52,840 --> 00:01:56,400 Speaker 2: twenty twenty four, it's yesterday as we record this episode, 31 00:01:57,400 --> 00:02:01,720 Speaker 2: a ship called the Dolly. This is DLI. It's a 32 00:02:01,840 --> 00:02:07,440 Speaker 2: nearly one thousand foot container ship. It's registered in Singapore. 33 00:02:07,880 --> 00:02:12,639 Speaker 2: It departed from the Seagirt Marine Terminal in Baltimore, Maryland, 34 00:02:13,160 --> 00:02:17,200 Speaker 2: traveled a very short distance, and then at around one 35 00:02:17,400 --> 00:02:21,680 Speaker 2: thirty am Eastern Time, it appeared to lose power, at 36 00:02:21,760 --> 00:02:24,120 Speaker 2: least according to some of the video footage that was 37 00:02:24,240 --> 00:02:29,399 Speaker 2: captured of this incident. Then it shifted course towards one 38 00:02:29,400 --> 00:02:33,840 Speaker 2: of the key areas of the Francis Scott Key Bridge, 39 00:02:34,120 --> 00:02:37,160 Speaker 2: which goes across the river there right near Baltimore, Maryland, 40 00:02:37,720 --> 00:02:41,399 Speaker 2: and it was traveling about nine point two miles per 41 00:02:41,480 --> 00:02:46,680 Speaker 2: hour and it impacted the bridge when it hit the bridge. 42 00:02:47,320 --> 00:02:52,080 Speaker 2: The entirety of the bridge collapsed. It's a tragic, otherworldly, 43 00:02:52,680 --> 00:02:57,640 Speaker 2: film like thing to behold. It doesn't seem real. It 44 00:02:57,720 --> 00:03:00,359 Speaker 2: looks like something that happened years ago, and you would 45 00:03:00,400 --> 00:03:03,840 Speaker 2: watch it on some kind of documentary or something. It 46 00:03:03,960 --> 00:03:09,080 Speaker 2: just again, it doesn't appear real, but it actually happened, thankfully. 47 00:03:09,280 --> 00:03:11,400 Speaker 2: There was a may day signal that was sent out 48 00:03:11,480 --> 00:03:14,680 Speaker 2: by the crew of that large container ship, the Dolly, 49 00:03:15,200 --> 00:03:18,280 Speaker 2: so police were they literally had ninety seconds to shut 50 00:03:18,320 --> 00:03:21,040 Speaker 2: down traffic flowing onto the bridge from either side, which 51 00:03:21,080 --> 00:03:24,840 Speaker 2: they were able to do so. There were very few, 52 00:03:24,919 --> 00:03:28,760 Speaker 2: if any vehicles actually traveling across the bridge when it collapsed. 53 00:03:29,280 --> 00:03:31,680 Speaker 2: But there was a crew of at least eight people, 54 00:03:31,880 --> 00:03:37,160 Speaker 2: possibly more working on that bridge repairing potholes when it collapsed, 55 00:03:37,800 --> 00:03:40,400 Speaker 2: And as we were recording this, there is right now 56 00:03:40,640 --> 00:03:44,120 Speaker 2: recovery efforts for those people. Two of them were recovered, 57 00:03:44,640 --> 00:03:48,920 Speaker 2: one seriously injured, one injured but not as badly as 58 00:03:49,040 --> 00:03:52,040 Speaker 2: the first person. And there are six or seven people 59 00:03:52,360 --> 00:03:55,520 Speaker 2: presumed dead who are still currently. 60 00:03:55,160 --> 00:03:58,080 Speaker 3: Missing, just because of the time that collapsed. 61 00:03:57,720 --> 00:04:01,120 Speaker 2: Right exactly, and the temperatures of the water and a 62 00:04:01,160 --> 00:04:05,160 Speaker 2: lot of again, the drop from where that bridge was exactly. 63 00:04:06,000 --> 00:04:08,400 Speaker 2: Right now, federal investigators are trying to figure out what 64 00:04:08,440 --> 00:04:11,720 Speaker 2: the heck happened? How did the power go out on 65 00:04:11,760 --> 00:04:15,520 Speaker 2: this huge ship right after leaving port. When it did 66 00:04:15,520 --> 00:04:18,240 Speaker 2: go out, why did it go in that trajectory, like 67 00:04:18,360 --> 00:04:21,160 Speaker 2: directly towards one of these huge columns that is a 68 00:04:21,200 --> 00:04:24,599 Speaker 2: fairly small target when you look at the length of 69 00:04:24,680 --> 00:04:25,560 Speaker 2: the river there, right. 70 00:04:25,560 --> 00:04:28,080 Speaker 3: It sounds like the rudder got frozen when they lost. 71 00:04:27,800 --> 00:04:31,359 Speaker 2: Power exactly, and they were able to recover power at 72 00:04:31,440 --> 00:04:34,160 Speaker 2: least according to some of the theories that are being 73 00:04:34,800 --> 00:04:38,560 Speaker 2: the postulations. Let's say that they were able to recover 74 00:04:38,640 --> 00:04:41,040 Speaker 2: some power but not to the engines, so they weren't 75 00:04:41,080 --> 00:04:44,280 Speaker 2: able to get thrust or they didn't have the ability 76 00:04:44,320 --> 00:04:48,279 Speaker 2: to move that rudder to then change the ship's trajectory 77 00:04:48,400 --> 00:04:49,280 Speaker 2: or to slow it down. 78 00:04:49,640 --> 00:04:52,240 Speaker 4: Do we have a sense of who's responsible or who 79 00:04:52,360 --> 00:04:54,320 Speaker 4: is going to be held responsible for this? 80 00:04:54,680 --> 00:04:55,920 Speaker 3: It's tough at this point. 81 00:04:56,240 --> 00:04:57,719 Speaker 2: Yeah, right now, it's trying to figure out what the 82 00:04:57,720 --> 00:04:58,240 Speaker 2: heck happened? 83 00:04:58,320 --> 00:04:58,520 Speaker 5: Right? 84 00:05:00,560 --> 00:05:02,680 Speaker 2: Is it dirty fuel? That's one of the theories that's 85 00:05:02,720 --> 00:05:05,720 Speaker 2: come out that somehow messed with the engines so they 86 00:05:05,720 --> 00:05:09,200 Speaker 2: were unable to perform properly. Was it someone at the 87 00:05:09,240 --> 00:05:13,480 Speaker 2: helm that did something improperly. But either way, it seems 88 00:05:13,520 --> 00:05:16,520 Speaker 2: like a tragic accident. At least it seems that way now, 89 00:05:16,839 --> 00:05:19,880 Speaker 2: although you will find people online talking about how it 90 00:05:19,920 --> 00:05:23,400 Speaker 2: appears deliberate because there is. It does again it feels 91 00:05:23,440 --> 00:05:26,159 Speaker 2: like there's something off the way if you watch the 92 00:05:26,200 --> 00:05:28,880 Speaker 2: full video, guys. I linked to a YouTube video that 93 00:05:29,040 --> 00:05:32,800 Speaker 2: shows the entire like several minutes prior to the crash 94 00:05:32,880 --> 00:05:36,279 Speaker 2: and collapse, and it does feel weird. It feels like 95 00:05:36,320 --> 00:05:39,760 Speaker 2: it goes on target to this pillar, even though that 96 00:05:40,320 --> 00:05:42,080 Speaker 2: doesn't seem like what actually occurred. 97 00:05:42,360 --> 00:05:45,560 Speaker 3: Right. Yeah, we were talking about this bit off air, 98 00:05:46,320 --> 00:05:49,839 Speaker 3: and I was also talking with a bunch of folks 99 00:05:49,880 --> 00:05:54,200 Speaker 3: on Twitter or x or whatever, some of whom live 100 00:05:54,279 --> 00:05:57,080 Speaker 3: and work in the Baltimore area. And it's the thing 101 00:05:57,120 --> 00:06:00,680 Speaker 3: again where we want to make sense of a track, right, 102 00:06:00,760 --> 00:06:03,960 Speaker 3: We want to have an explanation, ideally with a very 103 00:06:04,000 --> 00:06:06,800 Speaker 3: clear good or bad side. 104 00:06:06,960 --> 00:06:07,120 Speaker 1: Right. 105 00:06:07,200 --> 00:06:10,560 Speaker 3: But from what people are saying, from the analysis that 106 00:06:10,600 --> 00:06:14,000 Speaker 3: I've read, I haven't traveled to this bridge the analysis 107 00:06:14,000 --> 00:06:16,000 Speaker 3: I've read and from what people on the ground have 108 00:06:16,080 --> 00:06:19,039 Speaker 3: been saying, I haven't spoken with anybody who's actually on 109 00:06:19,080 --> 00:06:22,160 Speaker 3: the ship. But they're they're saying, it looks like the 110 00:06:22,200 --> 00:06:25,400 Speaker 3: power loss occurred while the rudder was in one direction, 111 00:06:25,920 --> 00:06:29,360 Speaker 3: and then the captain or the crew gave the order 112 00:06:29,440 --> 00:06:32,920 Speaker 3: to try to drop anchor to swing a little bit 113 00:06:33,960 --> 00:06:37,520 Speaker 3: more astute leave right because or to prevent that curving 114 00:06:37,640 --> 00:06:41,040 Speaker 3: toward the pillar. And it's simply you know, as we 115 00:06:41,160 --> 00:06:44,520 Speaker 3: as we said off air, it's really hard to turn 116 00:06:44,600 --> 00:06:47,279 Speaker 3: those suckers. They're absolutely beast and even if a bridge 117 00:06:47,279 --> 00:06:50,120 Speaker 3: looks big, it's not built to withstand an impact like that. 118 00:06:50,560 --> 00:06:52,680 Speaker 4: And I'm sorry, guy, this isn't one of those bridges 119 00:06:52,720 --> 00:06:54,920 Speaker 4: that can like open up to make way for large, 120 00:06:55,000 --> 00:06:56,080 Speaker 4: taller ships, is it. 121 00:06:56,400 --> 00:06:56,479 Speaker 3: No? 122 00:06:56,600 --> 00:06:58,960 Speaker 2: It has the section as a clear set kind of 123 00:06:59,040 --> 00:07:01,480 Speaker 2: in the center of it that has clearance for these 124 00:07:01,560 --> 00:07:04,640 Speaker 2: larger container ships. But it was built at a time 125 00:07:04,680 --> 00:07:06,800 Speaker 2: when container ships were much smaller than this. 126 00:07:07,120 --> 00:07:07,360 Speaker 3: True. 127 00:07:07,839 --> 00:07:11,200 Speaker 2: True, it has what was it guys? Oh man, I'm 128 00:07:11,320 --> 00:07:13,520 Speaker 2: have to find it in one of my other links here. 129 00:07:13,560 --> 00:07:16,360 Speaker 2: But it has the capacity to carry like ten thousand 130 00:07:17,120 --> 00:07:20,000 Speaker 2: of these container what do we call these things? 131 00:07:20,040 --> 00:07:21,120 Speaker 3: Cargo containers? 132 00:07:21,160 --> 00:07:24,760 Speaker 2: Cargo containers. It has a way again, it's a thousand 133 00:07:24,800 --> 00:07:29,360 Speaker 2: feet long and it's way larger way bigger, and you know, 134 00:07:29,360 --> 00:07:30,960 Speaker 2: it doesn't have anything to do with the height. It 135 00:07:30,960 --> 00:07:33,520 Speaker 2: could have made it just fine underneath that bridge if 136 00:07:33,560 --> 00:07:38,200 Speaker 2: it had gone in the right place, like gone underneath 137 00:07:38,240 --> 00:07:38,960 Speaker 2: the right place. 138 00:07:39,360 --> 00:07:44,640 Speaker 3: It can carry almost ten thousand of those cargo containers. 139 00:07:44,680 --> 00:07:48,280 Speaker 3: So if you've ever seen a train going by each 140 00:07:48,320 --> 00:07:51,640 Speaker 3: one of those cargo containers, imagine ten thousand of those 141 00:07:52,040 --> 00:07:55,440 Speaker 3: on a ship that's large enough to keep itself afloat 142 00:07:55,480 --> 00:08:00,720 Speaker 3: and maneuver in the ocean. So these things are these 143 00:08:00,720 --> 00:08:03,600 Speaker 3: things are very difficult to turn. It's possible to turn 144 00:08:03,640 --> 00:08:04,600 Speaker 3: them on a dime, you know. 145 00:08:04,800 --> 00:08:07,280 Speaker 2: Well, yeah, and again, they lost power multiple times in 146 00:08:07,320 --> 00:08:10,160 Speaker 2: a very short time span. I think it was a 147 00:08:10,160 --> 00:08:12,400 Speaker 2: couple of minutes where they lost power, recovered it through 148 00:08:12,440 --> 00:08:17,920 Speaker 2: a generator, then lost power again. The voyage data recorder 149 00:08:18,240 --> 00:08:21,560 Speaker 2: has been recovered, at least according to the National Transportation 150 00:08:21,680 --> 00:08:24,680 Speaker 2: Safety Board, So we will be getting, I guess, a 151 00:08:24,680 --> 00:08:26,960 Speaker 2: better idea or they will be getting a better idea 152 00:08:27,000 --> 00:08:30,480 Speaker 2: of what exactly occurred, like minute by minute, second by 153 00:08:30,520 --> 00:08:33,480 Speaker 2: second actions that were taken on the ship itself. There's 154 00:08:33,480 --> 00:08:36,720 Speaker 2: been a lot said about previous safety issues with the ship. 155 00:08:37,160 --> 00:08:41,360 Speaker 2: According to NPR, it's had twenty seven previous inspections, and 156 00:08:41,520 --> 00:08:46,079 Speaker 2: in twenty sixteen, this is a Quote it sustained significant 157 00:08:46,120 --> 00:08:49,160 Speaker 2: damage to its hull after hitting a dock while leaving 158 00:08:49,160 --> 00:08:53,600 Speaker 2: a port in Antwerp, Belgium. And then last year it 159 00:08:53,640 --> 00:08:56,560 Speaker 2: was found to have a problem with quote propulsion and 160 00:08:56,640 --> 00:08:59,720 Speaker 2: auxiliary machinery. But again, who knows. 161 00:08:59,840 --> 00:09:02,960 Speaker 4: It's just like a Boeing quality control issue that might 162 00:09:03,000 --> 00:09:05,280 Speaker 4: be even company wide with these types of shit. 163 00:09:05,360 --> 00:09:07,200 Speaker 2: I just wondered, I haven't seen that. 164 00:09:07,480 --> 00:09:12,000 Speaker 3: Yeah, Dolly's made by marisk and marisk Is they're a 165 00:09:12,080 --> 00:09:15,600 Speaker 3: Danish company. They make a ton of these things, a ton, 166 00:09:16,520 --> 00:09:20,360 Speaker 3: but they, like any company of their size, they've had issues, 167 00:09:20,400 --> 00:09:23,200 Speaker 3: but not at the frequency, you know, like they contained 168 00:09:23,280 --> 00:09:28,960 Speaker 3: frequency of Boeing. And also, honestly, cargo ships function under 169 00:09:29,040 --> 00:09:32,360 Speaker 3: such tremendous wear and tear and stress that it would 170 00:09:32,400 --> 00:09:34,960 Speaker 3: be kind of surprising for an inspection to occur and 171 00:09:35,000 --> 00:09:37,800 Speaker 3: not find a couple of problems, right, because there's just 172 00:09:37,880 --> 00:09:39,360 Speaker 3: so much stuff that could go wrong. 173 00:09:39,720 --> 00:09:43,120 Speaker 2: Yeah, for sure, really quickly, Alexis. I don't know if 174 00:09:43,120 --> 00:09:46,320 Speaker 2: you're recording audio, if you're available for comment, but just 175 00:09:46,400 --> 00:09:49,680 Speaker 2: since this is like the Baltimore area, and I wonder 176 00:09:49,679 --> 00:09:52,760 Speaker 2: if you've had any if you've ever hung out over 177 00:09:52,800 --> 00:09:55,040 Speaker 2: there in the Baltimore area at all, or you guys, 178 00:09:55,080 --> 00:09:57,439 Speaker 2: have you spent much time over there. I just want 179 00:09:57,480 --> 00:10:00,559 Speaker 2: to learn more about the Potapsco or potaps Go, I think, 180 00:10:00,640 --> 00:10:03,960 Speaker 2: is how you would say it. The river that this 181 00:10:04,080 --> 00:10:07,880 Speaker 2: bridge was spanning across, and I've never I don't think 182 00:10:07,920 --> 00:10:10,520 Speaker 2: I've ever driven across it or been in that area much. 183 00:10:10,559 --> 00:10:12,800 Speaker 2: Just wonder if any of you guys are if Alexis has. 184 00:10:12,840 --> 00:10:17,079 Speaker 4: I've been there before, but I don't have any noteworthy 185 00:10:17,720 --> 00:10:18,800 Speaker 4: affiliation with the area. 186 00:10:19,000 --> 00:10:20,080 Speaker 2: Okay, okay, cool. 187 00:10:20,360 --> 00:10:22,240 Speaker 4: Everything I know about it I learned from I think 188 00:10:22,320 --> 00:10:26,920 Speaker 4: season two of The Wire, where it's all about the shipping, 189 00:10:27,080 --> 00:10:29,400 Speaker 4: you know, and the what sort of they called longshoremen 190 00:10:29,480 --> 00:10:31,439 Speaker 4: and the union and all that stuff, and they talk 191 00:10:31,480 --> 00:10:34,240 Speaker 4: about the Potapsco a lot in that season, and there's 192 00:10:34,240 --> 00:10:38,400 Speaker 4: definitely a lot of you know, it's about basically, like 193 00:10:38,600 --> 00:10:43,040 Speaker 4: you know, planned oversight. Let's just say, in shipping and 194 00:10:43,080 --> 00:10:46,079 Speaker 4: receiving that I could imagine could trickle down to safety 195 00:10:46,120 --> 00:10:49,640 Speaker 4: measures in terms of getting things through. Maybe that should 196 00:10:50,040 --> 00:10:52,360 Speaker 4: probably be given a little more attention just for the 197 00:10:52,400 --> 00:10:53,840 Speaker 4: sake of keeping things running, you know. 198 00:10:54,200 --> 00:10:56,560 Speaker 3: Yeah, just to jump out of that. I have been 199 00:10:56,679 --> 00:11:00,600 Speaker 3: to I've been to Baltimore. I've spent some time Maryland. 200 00:11:00,880 --> 00:11:03,959 Speaker 3: But Matt, if you drove over this bridge, you would 201 00:11:04,000 --> 00:11:07,320 Speaker 3: absolutely remember it because it's so long. It's like more 202 00:11:07,360 --> 00:11:08,760 Speaker 3: than a mile long. 203 00:11:09,080 --> 00:11:09,720 Speaker 5: That freaks me out. 204 00:11:09,800 --> 00:11:14,679 Speaker 3: Yeah, six or something miles. And then also, if you're 205 00:11:14,720 --> 00:11:18,040 Speaker 3: not familiar with the area in general, and I think 206 00:11:18,080 --> 00:11:23,400 Speaker 3: a lot of us probably aren't, the Baltimore shipping the 207 00:11:23,440 --> 00:11:28,320 Speaker 3: magnitude of that industry cannot be overstated. This is a 208 00:11:28,400 --> 00:11:31,359 Speaker 3: huge blow. And I'm sure we've all seen the photos 209 00:11:31,679 --> 00:11:35,080 Speaker 3: in the aftermath of the literal waiting line of shipping 210 00:11:35,120 --> 00:11:39,400 Speaker 3: containers that formed within just I mean fewer than twenty 211 00:11:39,480 --> 00:11:40,600 Speaker 3: four hours after this. 212 00:11:40,800 --> 00:11:44,520 Speaker 2: Well, yeah, so let's talk about that. The port where 213 00:11:44,559 --> 00:11:48,640 Speaker 2: this ship left is further in towards Baltimore, right, So 214 00:11:48,679 --> 00:11:51,480 Speaker 2: if you imagine coming in from the sea through then 215 00:11:51,800 --> 00:11:55,679 Speaker 2: the river then to get to the port, the bridge 216 00:11:55,720 --> 00:11:59,480 Speaker 2: was standing between entrance to that area and the port 217 00:11:59,640 --> 00:12:03,480 Speaker 2: right So effectively, right now there is just a bunch 218 00:12:03,559 --> 00:12:07,480 Speaker 2: of metal shrapnel and shards of a giant bridge that 219 00:12:07,640 --> 00:12:11,240 Speaker 2: is all the way across. So it is preventing ships 220 00:12:11,280 --> 00:12:13,120 Speaker 2: from going in and out of port right now, at 221 00:12:13,200 --> 00:12:16,160 Speaker 2: least for the most part, and the story really shifted 222 00:12:16,320 --> 00:12:21,040 Speaker 2: quickly from tragedy to an a story about economic impact 223 00:12:21,080 --> 00:12:24,560 Speaker 2: because eighty billion dollars worth of cargo goes through this 224 00:12:24,720 --> 00:12:29,080 Speaker 2: port every year, including, according to NPR, eight hundred and 225 00:12:29,120 --> 00:12:33,680 Speaker 2: fifty thousand cars and trucks. So imagine that, first of all, 226 00:12:34,520 --> 00:12:40,640 Speaker 2: that's like shipping manufacturing vehicles. It also provides fifteen thousand 227 00:12:40,800 --> 00:12:43,800 Speaker 2: jobs to human beings that work there in the port, 228 00:12:43,840 --> 00:12:47,600 Speaker 2: in about three point three billion dollars in personal income 229 00:12:48,000 --> 00:12:50,960 Speaker 2: to families right to people who actually work there, and 230 00:12:51,080 --> 00:12:55,080 Speaker 2: two point six billion dollars in business revenue, and lastly 231 00:12:55,200 --> 00:12:59,000 Speaker 2: four hundred million dollars in tax revenue according to the 232 00:12:59,040 --> 00:13:03,640 Speaker 2: state of Maryland. The President went on television and discussed 233 00:13:03,760 --> 00:13:06,120 Speaker 2: this like, we're going to get this up and running again. 234 00:13:06,160 --> 00:13:07,840 Speaker 2: We're gonna get the port going, we're going to clean 235 00:13:07,840 --> 00:13:10,200 Speaker 2: this up, we're going to rebuild the bridge, and he 236 00:13:10,280 --> 00:13:13,040 Speaker 2: also stated that the federal government would be paying for 237 00:13:13,080 --> 00:13:14,240 Speaker 2: the rebuilding process. 238 00:13:14,480 --> 00:13:16,160 Speaker 5: That answer is part of the who's responsible. 239 00:13:16,200 --> 00:13:18,360 Speaker 4: It's not who's responsible per se, but this is something 240 00:13:18,400 --> 00:13:22,600 Speaker 4: that's larger than just one company making a mistake or 241 00:13:22,720 --> 00:13:26,320 Speaker 4: you know, the city itself having to take charge of 242 00:13:26,360 --> 00:13:28,920 Speaker 4: the reconstruction. This is like practically like a state of 243 00:13:28,920 --> 00:13:31,600 Speaker 4: emergency situation, right, like a act of God. 244 00:13:31,880 --> 00:13:32,080 Speaker 5: Right. 245 00:13:32,960 --> 00:13:36,480 Speaker 2: Certainly it's a massive tragedy for the eight to ten 246 00:13:36,520 --> 00:13:40,920 Speaker 2: people possibly more who were affected or you know, injured 247 00:13:41,040 --> 00:13:44,880 Speaker 2: or killed by this event. There were twenty people who 248 00:13:44,880 --> 00:13:46,760 Speaker 2: were on the cargo ship. All of them have been 249 00:13:46,760 --> 00:13:50,880 Speaker 2: accounted for. It is still a mild unknown about the 250 00:13:51,000 --> 00:13:53,480 Speaker 2: number of human beings that were actually on the bridge 251 00:13:53,559 --> 00:13:56,800 Speaker 2: when it collapsed. So that's something we're going to continue 252 00:13:56,800 --> 00:14:00,199 Speaker 2: following and if we hear anything more, we'll definitely we'll 253 00:14:00,240 --> 00:14:02,840 Speaker 2: talk about it. Just the last couple of things to 254 00:14:02,920 --> 00:14:05,320 Speaker 2: point out here. If you want to watch the full 255 00:14:05,440 --> 00:14:10,199 Speaker 2: seven minutes twenty seconds of before the crash and the crash, 256 00:14:10,640 --> 00:14:14,400 Speaker 2: I would highly recommend you search for Francis Scott Keybridge 257 00:14:14,440 --> 00:14:19,600 Speaker 2: collapses in Baltimore on the First Coast News YouTube channel. 258 00:14:19,920 --> 00:14:21,960 Speaker 2: You can find it right now and watch the whole thing. 259 00:14:22,480 --> 00:14:25,560 Speaker 2: It's a camera from down below, like if you imagine 260 00:14:25,600 --> 00:14:28,080 Speaker 2: up the perspective of another boat maybe sitting on the 261 00:14:28,080 --> 00:14:32,360 Speaker 2: water and watching everything happen. It's very very intense. And 262 00:14:32,520 --> 00:14:35,280 Speaker 2: also if you want to keep up with just news 263 00:14:35,320 --> 00:14:38,080 Speaker 2: that's breaking with regards to the story. There's an AP 264 00:14:38,320 --> 00:14:41,480 Speaker 2: news feed that has been updated that we've been following 265 00:14:42,120 --> 00:14:45,480 Speaker 2: basically since this began. You just search for AP news 266 00:14:45,600 --> 00:14:48,240 Speaker 2: Baltimore Bridge collapse, and it'll give you a live feed 267 00:14:48,480 --> 00:14:50,560 Speaker 2: of like every time something new comes in, it just 268 00:14:50,600 --> 00:14:54,920 Speaker 2: pops up on that page. It's very very helpful. Anything else, guys. 269 00:14:54,800 --> 00:14:58,920 Speaker 3: I will say, you know that we take allegations of 270 00:14:59,000 --> 00:15:03,280 Speaker 3: bad faith actors pretty seriously and looking into this at 271 00:15:03,320 --> 00:15:06,000 Speaker 3: this point knowing that there's still a lot of information 272 00:15:06,080 --> 00:15:08,600 Speaker 3: out there. At this point, there does not seem to 273 00:15:08,640 --> 00:15:13,720 Speaker 3: be any plausible support for some of the speculation or 274 00:15:13,720 --> 00:15:17,520 Speaker 3: some of the more out there conspiracies that are floating around, 275 00:15:17,560 --> 00:15:20,360 Speaker 3: like floating around poor choice words, but like a false 276 00:15:20,400 --> 00:15:25,880 Speaker 3: flag attack or you know, the investigation has to keep going, 277 00:15:25,920 --> 00:15:28,600 Speaker 3: so we have to be careful. Even if a story 278 00:15:28,640 --> 00:15:31,320 Speaker 3: sounds really juicy and you're hearing on the internet, we 279 00:15:31,400 --> 00:15:34,280 Speaker 3: have to be careful to dig in and prove things 280 00:15:34,760 --> 00:15:36,760 Speaker 3: before we make those kind of claims. 281 00:15:37,080 --> 00:15:39,720 Speaker 4: I mean, chances are like as case in point with 282 00:15:39,760 --> 00:15:42,400 Speaker 4: the k Middleton stuff, if those things are coming out 283 00:15:42,440 --> 00:15:46,320 Speaker 4: really quickly after an event like this, probably some of 284 00:15:46,360 --> 00:15:50,680 Speaker 4: these professional speculators just doing what they do on the internet. 285 00:15:50,840 --> 00:15:55,080 Speaker 2: Well, yeah, again, it feels not real, right, So, as 286 00:15:55,120 --> 00:15:58,160 Speaker 2: you said, Ben, we look for any kind of explanation 287 00:15:58,520 --> 00:16:01,320 Speaker 2: that would satisfy whatever that thing is that makes it 288 00:16:01,400 --> 00:16:06,320 Speaker 2: so extraordinary or feel so extraordinary to us. But yeah, 289 00:16:06,320 --> 00:16:08,000 Speaker 2: we'll just keep an eye on it, as we hope 290 00:16:08,000 --> 00:16:09,960 Speaker 2: you will too. Let us know if you find anything, 291 00:16:10,160 --> 00:16:17,880 Speaker 2: we'll be right back with more strange news. 292 00:16:19,400 --> 00:16:23,840 Speaker 4: And we returned with a decidedly light her story after 293 00:16:23,960 --> 00:16:26,680 Speaker 4: if that one about the bridge collapse. And again, our 294 00:16:26,720 --> 00:16:30,000 Speaker 4: hearts are with anyone who's missing loved ones, with the families, 295 00:16:30,080 --> 00:16:34,080 Speaker 4: and it's just a really horrible situation. But let's take 296 00:16:34,080 --> 00:16:38,240 Speaker 4: a little trip over to Japan, where they love. There's 297 00:16:38,240 --> 00:16:41,680 Speaker 4: a lot of American cultural crossovers. Obviously, we import a 298 00:16:41,680 --> 00:16:44,240 Speaker 4: lot of Japanese culture over here on a ma and 299 00:16:44,560 --> 00:16:47,760 Speaker 4: manga and tons of video games and technology and all 300 00:16:47,800 --> 00:16:50,480 Speaker 4: of that stuff. Is huge fascination in the United States 301 00:16:50,480 --> 00:16:54,040 Speaker 4: with Japanese culture that does go both ways for some things. 302 00:16:54,040 --> 00:16:58,240 Speaker 4: Two of those things are baseball and Kentucky Fried Chicken 303 00:16:59,200 --> 00:17:02,120 Speaker 4: and away. Back in the earliest days of another show 304 00:17:02,200 --> 00:17:04,159 Speaker 4: that Ben and I do together called Ridiculous History, we 305 00:17:04,240 --> 00:17:06,760 Speaker 4: did an episode on what's called the curse of the 306 00:17:06,840 --> 00:17:10,560 Speaker 4: Kernel in Japan, especially Ben, correct me if I'm getting 307 00:17:10,560 --> 00:17:14,919 Speaker 4: this wrong. Around the holidays, around Christmas time, KFC is 308 00:17:15,280 --> 00:17:20,480 Speaker 4: hugely popular. They sell these like family holiday dinner combo 309 00:17:20,640 --> 00:17:23,919 Speaker 4: things like Reserve. I'm sure they're great, and I know 310 00:17:24,840 --> 00:17:28,359 Speaker 4: from my understanding too, KFC over there operates at a 311 00:17:28,400 --> 00:17:30,960 Speaker 4: little bit of a higher level than it does over here, 312 00:17:31,000 --> 00:17:34,040 Speaker 4: and it's kind of considered plussed up fast food and 313 00:17:34,080 --> 00:17:35,400 Speaker 4: more of like a family restaurant. 314 00:17:35,720 --> 00:17:39,960 Speaker 3: Yeah right, yeah, pretty much every And this is oddly enough. 315 00:17:40,080 --> 00:17:42,560 Speaker 3: This is a rule of thumb that applied a rule 316 00:17:42,600 --> 00:17:46,200 Speaker 3: of wing or drum that applies to uh, that applies 317 00:17:46,200 --> 00:17:48,640 Speaker 3: to a lot of fast food places in different countries, 318 00:17:48,720 --> 00:17:51,560 Speaker 3: like McDonald's is the fancy place in a lot of countries, 319 00:17:51,600 --> 00:17:56,359 Speaker 3: and KFC is To your point, it can be culturally 320 00:17:56,400 --> 00:17:59,119 Speaker 3: fascinating to see what a big deal it is. It 321 00:17:59,160 --> 00:18:04,320 Speaker 3: became tied with Christmas. The you can go to go 322 00:18:04,400 --> 00:18:07,720 Speaker 3: to any kind of website mental floss Atlas Obscure probably 323 00:18:07,760 --> 00:18:10,120 Speaker 3: has some great rite ups on it and read the 324 00:18:10,920 --> 00:18:13,639 Speaker 3: read the meal, like the big thing is the Christmas 325 00:18:13,680 --> 00:18:18,320 Speaker 3: cake that they get, right, Yeah, that's that's what's over here. 326 00:18:18,960 --> 00:18:20,680 Speaker 5: I don't even know they do pop pies anymore. 327 00:18:21,280 --> 00:18:23,679 Speaker 4: Anyway, though these meals are so popular, then to your 328 00:18:23,720 --> 00:18:26,199 Speaker 4: point of these holiday combo things that you have to 329 00:18:26,240 --> 00:18:28,640 Speaker 4: reserve your as well and invest and they sell out 330 00:18:28,640 --> 00:18:33,159 Speaker 4: of them and then anyway, But so KFC and baseball baseball, 331 00:18:33,160 --> 00:18:35,920 Speaker 4: you wouldn't think there'd necessarily be a connection between KFC 332 00:18:35,960 --> 00:18:40,920 Speaker 4: and baseball, but a baseball team in the Nipon Professional 333 00:18:41,000 --> 00:18:44,840 Speaker 4: Baseball Franchise and NPON just means Japan, I believe. 334 00:18:45,000 --> 00:18:45,920 Speaker 5: Yeah, I'm not mistaken. 335 00:18:47,000 --> 00:18:51,280 Speaker 4: There has been active since nineteen thirty five known as 336 00:18:51,400 --> 00:18:55,480 Speaker 4: the Hanshin Tigers. Have sort of a little bit of 337 00:18:55,920 --> 00:19:00,399 Speaker 4: lore that's tied up with with Colonel Sanders him himself, 338 00:19:00,400 --> 00:19:04,719 Speaker 4: who is in fact a real person, Harland David Sanders, 339 00:19:04,760 --> 00:19:07,439 Speaker 4: And now I think he himself actually appeared in the 340 00:19:07,480 --> 00:19:09,879 Speaker 4: earliest of KFC ads when it was you know fully 341 00:19:09,920 --> 00:19:13,240 Speaker 4: Kentucky Fried Chicken. Since his passing in nineteen eighty he's 342 00:19:13,240 --> 00:19:16,960 Speaker 4: been personified in different ways by actors and animation. 343 00:19:16,680 --> 00:19:17,359 Speaker 5: And what have you. 344 00:19:17,920 --> 00:19:20,960 Speaker 4: But yeah, much like Orville Reddenbacher, this was in fact 345 00:19:20,960 --> 00:19:23,600 Speaker 4: the founder of the company and the secret of the 346 00:19:23,640 --> 00:19:28,320 Speaker 4: spices or whatever the blend is that they keep so guarded. Apparently, 347 00:19:28,359 --> 00:19:30,040 Speaker 4: when he was still alive, there was a beef between 348 00:19:30,280 --> 00:19:33,240 Speaker 4: my chicken, shall we say, between him and the new 349 00:19:33,480 --> 00:19:36,080 Speaker 4: managers of the company, where they changed the recipe and 350 00:19:36,119 --> 00:19:38,639 Speaker 4: he got infuriated by it, and then they had to 351 00:19:38,720 --> 00:19:40,800 Speaker 4: like kind of make nights, and then they didn't have to, 352 00:19:41,000 --> 00:19:43,440 Speaker 4: but they made nice with him and changed it back 353 00:19:43,440 --> 00:19:44,879 Speaker 4: and then kind of brought him back in the fold. 354 00:19:45,040 --> 00:19:47,399 Speaker 4: And then he did pass away in nineteen eighty. But 355 00:19:47,520 --> 00:19:50,800 Speaker 4: we know him by his kind of like the branding 356 00:19:50,880 --> 00:19:53,920 Speaker 4: of KFC, and that extends even over here. It used 357 00:19:53,960 --> 00:19:56,760 Speaker 4: to to these like plastic statues that would be outside 358 00:19:56,760 --> 00:20:00,280 Speaker 4: of KFC franchises. But the Hunch and Tigers from nineteen 359 00:20:00,320 --> 00:20:03,520 Speaker 4: thirty six to nineteen forty nine were very successful in 360 00:20:03,600 --> 00:20:07,040 Speaker 4: their league, and they won four titles in that time frame. 361 00:20:07,320 --> 00:20:09,840 Speaker 4: They reached the what's called the Japan Series, which I 362 00:20:09,880 --> 00:20:12,520 Speaker 4: guess into our World Series for the very first time 363 00:20:12,520 --> 00:20:16,359 Speaker 4: in nineteen sixty two. They won the Central League in 364 00:20:16,440 --> 00:20:19,000 Speaker 4: nineteen sixty four, but then lost one. 365 00:20:18,920 --> 00:20:20,640 Speaker 5: More of these Japan Series. 366 00:20:21,040 --> 00:20:24,359 Speaker 4: It wasn't until nineteen eighty five that they won another 367 00:20:24,480 --> 00:20:26,600 Speaker 4: Central League pennant and it was such a big deal 368 00:20:26,960 --> 00:20:30,040 Speaker 4: that fans of this franchise, who are kind of known 369 00:20:30,080 --> 00:20:33,160 Speaker 4: to be a little on the fanatical side, all dove 370 00:20:33,400 --> 00:20:37,639 Speaker 4: into the De Tombori Canal in Osaka, which is a 371 00:20:37,960 --> 00:20:42,160 Speaker 4: highly polluted and very deep canal that sort of splits 372 00:20:42,240 --> 00:20:44,400 Speaker 4: up the city, the downtown kind of part of the city. 373 00:20:44,560 --> 00:20:45,360 Speaker 5: Maybe think of like. 374 00:20:45,359 --> 00:20:47,879 Speaker 4: The San in France a little bit, or sort of 375 00:20:47,920 --> 00:20:51,080 Speaker 4: like the you know, the Thames, but it's a little 376 00:20:51,080 --> 00:20:51,720 Speaker 4: it's narrower. 377 00:20:52,000 --> 00:20:55,360 Speaker 3: Obviously not as dirty as the ganjis, but still as dirty. 378 00:20:54,960 --> 00:21:00,560 Speaker 4: But high highly filthy even back then and now even worse. 379 00:21:00,560 --> 00:21:03,280 Speaker 4: Apparently it's been described as, you know, something akin to 380 00:21:03,920 --> 00:21:07,800 Speaker 4: sewer water. That didn't stop these Tigers fans, and they 381 00:21:07,800 --> 00:21:11,520 Speaker 4: won the pennant. They jumped in and at the same time, 382 00:21:11,560 --> 00:21:16,720 Speaker 4: a particularly zealous fan spotted a one of these Colonel 383 00:21:16,720 --> 00:21:19,840 Speaker 4: Sanders statues outside of the local Kentucky Fried Chicken franchise, 384 00:21:20,119 --> 00:21:22,960 Speaker 4: and they thought that it looked a lot like the 385 00:21:23,000 --> 00:21:26,639 Speaker 4: first Baseman's right anty path. 386 00:21:27,040 --> 00:21:29,480 Speaker 6: So you uprooted it, ripped it up out of its 387 00:21:29,560 --> 00:21:32,440 Speaker 6: perch or whatever, and threw it in the river which 388 00:21:32,480 --> 00:21:35,280 Speaker 6: was pretty deep, or the canal. It was sucked down 389 00:21:35,480 --> 00:21:39,520 Speaker 6: into the mud and the muck and lost presumably forever 390 00:21:40,080 --> 00:21:43,880 Speaker 6: until two thousand and nine. But anyway, when this happened, though, 391 00:21:44,840 --> 00:21:48,360 Speaker 6: it is believed by you know, those who believe that 392 00:21:48,480 --> 00:21:52,960 Speaker 6: this started a curse on the Hunshin Tigers, and they 393 00:21:53,000 --> 00:21:56,040 Speaker 6: didn't win a single thing. It's like angels on the 394 00:21:56,080 --> 00:21:59,520 Speaker 6: outfield type vibes for eighteen years. 395 00:22:00,240 --> 00:22:03,359 Speaker 3: One quick interjection in the defense of the guy who 396 00:22:03,440 --> 00:22:06,159 Speaker 3: throws the statue in or the crew did it. It 397 00:22:06,280 --> 00:22:10,080 Speaker 3: wasn't everybody all the fans jumping in. They were yelling 398 00:22:10,080 --> 00:22:12,920 Speaker 3: out the individual names of players, and they were looking 399 00:22:12,920 --> 00:22:15,760 Speaker 3: around the crowd to see who most looked like a player, 400 00:22:16,080 --> 00:22:18,320 Speaker 3: and they were like, jump in the river, or you'll 401 00:22:18,320 --> 00:22:22,280 Speaker 3: get jumped into it. And then Randy Bass. You know, 402 00:22:22,359 --> 00:22:24,679 Speaker 3: this is Japan. They're looking around and there's not a 403 00:22:24,680 --> 00:22:27,240 Speaker 3: lot of people that you would see it immediately think 404 00:22:27,320 --> 00:22:30,280 Speaker 3: Randy Bass. So that's why they grabbed the statue. 405 00:22:31,119 --> 00:22:33,000 Speaker 4: And I'd totally forgotten that detailed then, and I think 406 00:22:33,000 --> 00:22:35,280 Speaker 4: that really kind of gives a sense of the energy 407 00:22:35,320 --> 00:22:38,240 Speaker 4: that was going around. So it wasn't for eighteen years 408 00:22:38,359 --> 00:22:41,560 Speaker 4: the Tigers won another Central League title, at which point 409 00:22:41,640 --> 00:22:46,320 Speaker 4: fans did dive into the Dosnbore Canal once again, sadly 410 00:22:46,600 --> 00:22:49,240 Speaker 4: ending with the man losing his life. Because this is 411 00:22:49,280 --> 00:22:51,919 Speaker 4: again i'm sure exactly whether he drowned. There's probably some 412 00:22:52,080 --> 00:22:57,280 Speaker 4: drinking involved, or whether it was sepsis or something, but. 413 00:22:56,520 --> 00:22:58,680 Speaker 5: That's neither here nor there. He did lose his life. 414 00:22:59,359 --> 00:23:02,119 Speaker 4: But then fast forward two thousand and nine when the 415 00:23:02,160 --> 00:23:05,200 Speaker 4: city was doing some dredging of the canal and they 416 00:23:05,359 --> 00:23:09,080 Speaker 4: recovered the original statue, which is a little rough looking, 417 00:23:09,200 --> 00:23:12,160 Speaker 4: all the paint worn off and quite worse for wear 418 00:23:12,200 --> 00:23:16,280 Speaker 4: and missing a hand, but they did get it, and 419 00:23:16,440 --> 00:23:19,920 Speaker 4: they believe that this at least was the very beginnings 420 00:23:20,280 --> 00:23:22,280 Speaker 4: of lifting the curse of the Colonel, because that year 421 00:23:22,320 --> 00:23:25,240 Speaker 4: the Tigers finished fourth, which is better than they had done. 422 00:23:25,880 --> 00:23:29,400 Speaker 4: In twenty fourteen, KFC moved the statue to their Japanese 423 00:23:29,440 --> 00:23:33,000 Speaker 4: corporate headquarters and the Tigers made it to the Japan Series, 424 00:23:33,040 --> 00:23:38,000 Speaker 4: but they did unfortunately lose to the Fukuwaka SoftBank Hawks. 425 00:23:38,880 --> 00:23:41,560 Speaker 4: But the news today, the update to this story, which 426 00:23:41,560 --> 00:23:45,640 Speaker 4: we did cover on Ridiculous History, is that the Hanshin 427 00:23:45,760 --> 00:23:51,159 Speaker 4: Tigers just won the twenty twenty three championship for the 428 00:23:51,160 --> 00:23:54,240 Speaker 4: first time in many, many years, leading some to believe 429 00:23:54,280 --> 00:23:58,120 Speaker 4: that the curse has now officially been lifted. After they won, 430 00:23:58,240 --> 00:24:03,040 Speaker 4: fans did jump into the river disgustingly polluted river once again. 431 00:24:03,600 --> 00:24:05,760 Speaker 4: But here's the part that I think is really neat 432 00:24:06,760 --> 00:24:10,399 Speaker 4: the statue, which has since been moved from the corporate 433 00:24:10,400 --> 00:24:16,080 Speaker 4: headquarters to another franchise. It has been officially retired and 434 00:24:16,200 --> 00:24:21,200 Speaker 4: is essentially being treated like a sacred religious relic, whether 435 00:24:21,240 --> 00:24:24,359 Speaker 4: it be a publicity stunt or I don't know what 436 00:24:24,400 --> 00:24:28,080 Speaker 4: you want to call it, but it was essentially exercised 437 00:24:28,760 --> 00:24:34,760 Speaker 4: in a ceremony at a nearby shrine, in a cleansing 438 00:24:34,920 --> 00:24:36,720 Speaker 4: ritual that is. 439 00:24:36,720 --> 00:24:39,080 Speaker 5: Usually I think to look into. 440 00:24:38,880 --> 00:24:40,879 Speaker 4: This a little bit more, maybe been you know this 441 00:24:41,000 --> 00:24:42,760 Speaker 4: from the time you spent over there, but in a 442 00:24:42,800 --> 00:24:46,720 Speaker 4: ceremony that's usually reserved for dolls, because I know that 443 00:24:46,760 --> 00:24:49,600 Speaker 4: they certainly is a lot of belief in Japanese culture 444 00:24:49,600 --> 00:24:53,960 Speaker 4: of objects being able to hold evil spirits and things 445 00:24:54,000 --> 00:24:55,960 Speaker 4: like that. So maybe, I don't know, why would there 446 00:24:55,960 --> 00:24:58,359 Speaker 4: be a specific ceremony just for dolls they felt was 447 00:24:58,680 --> 00:25:01,680 Speaker 4: just appropriate enough to do on the old Colonel Stole sculpture. 448 00:25:02,000 --> 00:25:05,880 Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean it goes back into the into some 449 00:25:05,920 --> 00:25:09,160 Speaker 3: really deep folklore, you know, the idea that an object 450 00:25:09,200 --> 00:25:12,920 Speaker 3: can be imbued with the spirit or sentience, especially if 451 00:25:13,760 --> 00:25:17,040 Speaker 3: in some cases there's this idea that even just your 452 00:25:17,040 --> 00:25:19,199 Speaker 3: furniture at your house, if you take care of it 453 00:25:19,240 --> 00:25:21,879 Speaker 3: and it gets the age of one hundred, then it 454 00:25:22,520 --> 00:25:27,360 Speaker 3: acquires a spirit. So the idea also goes into the 455 00:25:27,400 --> 00:25:28,720 Speaker 3: concept of respect. 456 00:25:28,840 --> 00:25:29,040 Speaker 5: Right. 457 00:25:29,080 --> 00:25:33,440 Speaker 3: So part of the curse of the of the kernel 458 00:25:33,560 --> 00:25:37,440 Speaker 3: comes from the idea of public disorder and breaking, you know, 459 00:25:37,920 --> 00:25:41,760 Speaker 3: breaking the expected rules of society, so cleansing. This is 460 00:25:41,840 --> 00:25:48,840 Speaker 3: also a sort of apology to offending the character of 461 00:25:48,880 --> 00:25:51,400 Speaker 3: the of the spirit the shrine or the effigy. 462 00:25:51,520 --> 00:25:54,000 Speaker 4: Makes sense and is really quickly credit where credits do. 463 00:25:54,359 --> 00:25:59,520 Speaker 4: This actually comes from a sports reporter named Julian Real 464 00:25:59,560 --> 00:26:02,280 Speaker 4: who is a brit living in Japan. It lived in 465 00:26:02,359 --> 00:26:04,440 Speaker 4: Japan for about the last twenty five years and he's 466 00:26:04,440 --> 00:26:06,760 Speaker 4: sort of a lifestyle and culture writer and has a 467 00:26:06,800 --> 00:26:10,040 Speaker 4: really neat article called Curse of the Colonel lifted Japan's 468 00:26:10,080 --> 00:26:14,440 Speaker 4: Hanjin Tigers Hope ritual ceremony bats away years of bad 469 00:26:14,520 --> 00:26:16,879 Speaker 4: luck and just last last thing for me. This ritual 470 00:26:17,119 --> 00:26:21,840 Speaker 4: was performed at Sumi Yoshi Taishot Shrine and a priest 471 00:26:22,000 --> 00:26:26,680 Speaker 4: did this cleansing ritual, and a president of KFC Holdings Japan, 472 00:26:27,400 --> 00:26:32,320 Speaker 4: Takayuki Hanji, was there and he laid flowers on an altar. 473 00:26:32,119 --> 00:26:33,440 Speaker 5: And may, I'm sorry if I'm laughing. 474 00:26:34,080 --> 00:26:36,760 Speaker 4: I know this is an offering food to send this 475 00:26:36,840 --> 00:26:40,320 Speaker 4: to the thing, but this is screams publicity stunt. He 476 00:26:40,359 --> 00:26:45,320 Speaker 4: offered a portion of KFC chicken as well, and did 477 00:26:45,720 --> 00:26:47,879 Speaker 4: you know, call it what it was? You gotta at 478 00:26:47,960 --> 00:26:49,160 Speaker 4: least appreciate the openness. 479 00:26:49,680 --> 00:26:52,920 Speaker 2: Was it an original recipe or extra crispy doing unclear? 480 00:26:53,040 --> 00:26:54,520 Speaker 5: I don't even know if you can get the two, 481 00:26:54,760 --> 00:26:56,040 Speaker 5: if there's a distinction anymore. 482 00:26:56,440 --> 00:26:59,160 Speaker 4: But he did say that he was very aware that 483 00:26:59,240 --> 00:27:03,760 Speaker 4: this whole saga, this whole like lore, has contributed to 484 00:27:03,920 --> 00:27:07,320 Speaker 4: the raising of the value of their brand name. So 485 00:27:07,800 --> 00:27:09,879 Speaker 4: I don't know, guys, any thoughts on this. It's just 486 00:27:10,080 --> 00:27:12,919 Speaker 4: it's such a neat, weird story to begin with. And uh, 487 00:27:14,200 --> 00:27:16,959 Speaker 4: the you know, baseball is in general such a superstitious 488 00:27:16,960 --> 00:27:19,440 Speaker 4: sport in America, even where people are you know, won't 489 00:27:19,520 --> 00:27:23,000 Speaker 4: change their socks or have certain pregame things or you know, 490 00:27:23,119 --> 00:27:25,280 Speaker 4: rituals or chewing the same piece of gum or whatever. 491 00:27:25,760 --> 00:27:29,240 Speaker 4: It's really interesting to see these kind of cultural things 492 00:27:29,240 --> 00:27:33,040 Speaker 4: sort of collide in a very interesting amalcam of American 493 00:27:33,080 --> 00:27:34,600 Speaker 4: and Japanese culture in this story. 494 00:27:34,760 --> 00:27:36,960 Speaker 2: I don't have too much, guys. I was just having 495 00:27:37,040 --> 00:27:40,800 Speaker 2: fond memories as you were discussing it, seeing no Norm 496 00:27:40,880 --> 00:27:44,720 Speaker 2: McDonald as the Colonel like back in the day, and 497 00:27:44,840 --> 00:27:47,359 Speaker 2: Darryl Hammond and a bunch of other actors got to 498 00:27:47,440 --> 00:27:49,679 Speaker 2: like do cameos, and I was just having fond memories 499 00:27:49,720 --> 00:27:52,439 Speaker 2: of that. And I hope this, uh, I hope the 500 00:27:52,480 --> 00:27:53,320 Speaker 2: team does well. 501 00:27:53,680 --> 00:27:57,960 Speaker 3: I miss this. Do we know where the statue will 502 00:27:58,040 --> 00:27:59,960 Speaker 3: ultimately find its resting place? 503 00:28:00,440 --> 00:28:02,280 Speaker 4: Yeah, I'm sorry, but I didn't get to that. The 504 00:28:02,880 --> 00:28:07,119 Speaker 4: whole thrust of the ceremony is that it ends in 505 00:28:07,480 --> 00:28:13,520 Speaker 4: the burial. The ceremonial burial of this sculpture, I can 506 00:28:13,560 --> 00:28:16,439 Speaker 4: only assume it is on site at the shrine that 507 00:28:16,520 --> 00:28:21,520 Speaker 4: I mentioned, the Taishi Shrine, Yeah. 508 00:28:21,320 --> 00:28:21,920 Speaker 5: In Osaka. 509 00:28:22,119 --> 00:28:25,080 Speaker 4: So you know, it certainly would also be another great 510 00:28:25,119 --> 00:28:29,040 Speaker 4: branding play to have it's the final resting site marked 511 00:28:29,200 --> 00:28:32,800 Speaker 4: so people can go leave KFC buckets and flowers. 512 00:28:33,040 --> 00:28:35,800 Speaker 3: You know, I'm looking at photos. I've been to the shrine. 513 00:28:35,880 --> 00:28:38,120 Speaker 3: It is dope. It is amazing. If you can go. 514 00:28:38,560 --> 00:28:41,160 Speaker 3: But the kernel wasn't there when I when I. 515 00:28:41,120 --> 00:28:43,160 Speaker 5: Saw no, No, this is pretty new. 516 00:28:43,400 --> 00:28:48,280 Speaker 3: I also predict, on the note of superstition and folklore, 517 00:28:48,720 --> 00:28:52,320 Speaker 3: that there will be a new relic of power or 518 00:28:52,360 --> 00:28:55,080 Speaker 3: an objective powers. They're called in control in the Nation 519 00:28:55,120 --> 00:28:58,200 Speaker 3: of Japan. The search continues for the left hand of 520 00:28:58,240 --> 00:28:59,320 Speaker 3: the kernel, right. 521 00:28:59,280 --> 00:29:03,040 Speaker 4: And the glasses. I forgot glasses had also been knocked 522 00:29:03,040 --> 00:29:04,040 Speaker 4: off or whatever. 523 00:29:03,880 --> 00:29:05,880 Speaker 3: Which is weird because I don't I don't ever think 524 00:29:05,880 --> 00:29:08,120 Speaker 3: of the glasses as being a separate part of a 525 00:29:08,280 --> 00:29:09,160 Speaker 3: of a sculpture. 526 00:29:09,240 --> 00:29:11,320 Speaker 4: I wouldn't think so either, But maybe maybe it was, 527 00:29:11,400 --> 00:29:14,520 Speaker 4: like it's plastic, so maybe it was sort of you know, 528 00:29:15,160 --> 00:29:16,479 Speaker 4: hotblood or something. 529 00:29:16,720 --> 00:29:19,560 Speaker 3: Where is the left hand? Man, I'm gonna be thinking 530 00:29:19,600 --> 00:29:21,840 Speaker 3: about that, you know, like the old hand of glory 531 00:29:22,320 --> 00:29:28,760 Speaker 3: in an infernal magic. I would love to hand remains 532 00:29:28,800 --> 00:29:31,800 Speaker 3: where someone finds the hand of the kernel and the 533 00:29:31,800 --> 00:29:34,160 Speaker 3: there's a curse or it has power. What I'm just 534 00:29:34,160 --> 00:29:34,920 Speaker 3: going to write it? 535 00:29:35,080 --> 00:29:35,440 Speaker 6: What was it? 536 00:29:35,640 --> 00:29:35,800 Speaker 2: You know? 537 00:29:35,880 --> 00:29:38,160 Speaker 4: What was that movie with the hand? The recent movie 538 00:29:38,240 --> 00:29:39,640 Speaker 4: Speak to Me, Talk to Me? 539 00:29:39,880 --> 00:29:42,160 Speaker 3: Oh yeah, yeah, yeah, that was Maybe they find the hand. 540 00:29:42,880 --> 00:29:45,240 Speaker 3: It's in beauty with some sort of melodical. Excellent. 541 00:29:45,360 --> 00:29:48,920 Speaker 4: Yeah, Infernal Powers. I really liked that movie a lot 542 00:29:48,960 --> 00:29:49,320 Speaker 4: as well. 543 00:29:49,440 --> 00:29:49,720 Speaker 5: Guys. 544 00:29:50,280 --> 00:29:52,360 Speaker 4: Another great example of like, you know, kind of like 545 00:29:52,360 --> 00:29:54,960 Speaker 4: the Daniels, how they started kind of do it as 546 00:29:54,960 --> 00:29:57,400 Speaker 4: like real low five practical kind of music video things 547 00:29:57,400 --> 00:29:58,800 Speaker 4: like I can't remember the dude's names, but it's a 548 00:29:58,880 --> 00:30:02,560 Speaker 4: brother twins then the Philipoo Brothers is their name. They 549 00:30:02,640 --> 00:30:06,320 Speaker 4: have a YouTube presence of like really crazy cool YouTube 550 00:30:06,600 --> 00:30:09,200 Speaker 4: kind of videos that are like artsy and bizarre, and 551 00:30:09,240 --> 00:30:12,640 Speaker 4: they are now making giant movies that did well, so 552 00:30:12,720 --> 00:30:14,600 Speaker 4: good for them. But yeah, that's it for the Curse 553 00:30:14,640 --> 00:30:16,000 Speaker 4: of the Colonel. Hopefully it's lifted. 554 00:30:16,520 --> 00:30:17,360 Speaker 5: Let's take a quick. 555 00:30:17,200 --> 00:30:19,440 Speaker 4: Break and then we'll return with one more piece of 556 00:30:19,600 --> 00:30:25,400 Speaker 4: strange news. 557 00:30:27,600 --> 00:30:33,520 Speaker 3: And we have returned a couple of things in our conversation. 558 00:30:33,800 --> 00:30:36,200 Speaker 3: Just to respond to the conversation about the Baltimore Bridge, 559 00:30:36,440 --> 00:30:39,720 Speaker 3: I think we should do an episode on the shipping 560 00:30:40,200 --> 00:30:43,920 Speaker 3: the cargo manufacturer that created that, because I'm looking into 561 00:30:44,080 --> 00:30:47,760 Speaker 3: the conspiracies they've been tangled up with in the past, 562 00:30:47,840 --> 00:30:49,960 Speaker 3: and there are quite a few. So that's just like 563 00:30:50,040 --> 00:30:54,640 Speaker 3: a note to the universe. I think there's an episode there. Awesome, 564 00:30:54,760 --> 00:30:57,120 Speaker 3: and I wanted to start out by I'm not going 565 00:30:57,200 --> 00:30:59,040 Speaker 3: to put you too much on the spot, Doc, but 566 00:30:59,080 --> 00:31:02,240 Speaker 3: I want to thank you on air for making my 567 00:31:02,440 --> 00:31:06,920 Speaker 3: day earlier today and sending me a joke that we 568 00:31:07,040 --> 00:31:12,400 Speaker 3: will never never mention on the on the show, you 569 00:31:12,440 --> 00:31:14,040 Speaker 3: remember what we're talking about. 570 00:31:13,880 --> 00:31:20,200 Speaker 4: I audibly guess, Okay, maybe we won't never. 571 00:31:20,040 --> 00:31:23,840 Speaker 3: Mind anyway, just to tell you that even in our case, 572 00:31:24,200 --> 00:31:27,280 Speaker 3: there is some stuff. There are some jokes. We don't 573 00:31:27,320 --> 00:31:31,120 Speaker 3: want you to know some stuff. Yeah, yeah, but that 574 00:31:31,280 --> 00:31:35,080 Speaker 3: was a real Gallows humor there, Doc, Respect and salute. 575 00:31:35,720 --> 00:31:40,959 Speaker 3: Our final story for this week's Strange News program is 576 00:31:41,600 --> 00:31:45,840 Speaker 3: like the Baltimore Bridge, it is an ongoing story and 577 00:31:46,040 --> 00:31:50,680 Speaker 3: the tragic mystery is afoot. On March twenty second, again 578 00:31:50,720 --> 00:31:55,800 Speaker 3: as we were recording previously, a small band of terrorists 579 00:31:55,840 --> 00:31:59,880 Speaker 3: attacked a music venue in Moscow, and as of now 580 00:32:00,160 --> 00:32:03,120 Speaker 3: at this moment, there are an estimated one hundred and 581 00:32:03,160 --> 00:32:07,880 Speaker 3: forty deaths with north of three hundred and sixty injuries, 582 00:32:07,960 --> 00:32:12,200 Speaker 3: either as a result of the gunshot as poisoning of 583 00:32:11,400 --> 00:32:16,560 Speaker 3: the fire that happened shortly thereafter. There were four terrorists 584 00:32:16,600 --> 00:32:22,240 Speaker 3: involved in pretty soon after the news broke is the 585 00:32:22,320 --> 00:32:28,880 Speaker 3: Islamic state claimed responsibility. The Putin administration continues to claim 586 00:32:28,920 --> 00:32:34,720 Speaker 3: that this was actually this was actually an operation by 587 00:32:35,160 --> 00:32:39,760 Speaker 3: Ukraine or some agent of the West through a proxy. 588 00:32:40,200 --> 00:32:44,080 Speaker 3: And they're claiming, I mean, they're all but explicitly saying 589 00:32:44,160 --> 00:32:49,760 Speaker 3: they believe they believe that the West and or Ukraine 590 00:32:50,320 --> 00:32:55,000 Speaker 3: managed to use is the Islamic State as kind of 591 00:32:55,200 --> 00:32:58,520 Speaker 3: a false flag, right, or a patsy to blame this odd. 592 00:32:59,160 --> 00:33:03,600 Speaker 3: So if we go to the timeline here, what we 593 00:33:03,640 --> 00:33:08,240 Speaker 3: see is that the Crocus City Hall, that's the music venue. 594 00:33:08,400 --> 00:33:12,560 Speaker 3: It's in a place called Krasnogorsk, and I'm mispronouncing that 595 00:33:13,440 --> 00:33:18,200 Speaker 3: it started right before a Russian band called Picnic was 596 00:33:18,240 --> 00:33:21,240 Speaker 3: scheduled to play a sold out show. And this is 597 00:33:21,280 --> 00:33:27,680 Speaker 3: a very very big venue. We know that it gets 598 00:33:28,200 --> 00:33:32,840 Speaker 3: stranger and stranger the deeper you dig. Okay, at first, 599 00:33:32,880 --> 00:33:37,240 Speaker 3: we know the basic timeline. These masked gunmen in combat 600 00:33:37,240 --> 00:33:40,680 Speaker 3: fatigues came in the open fire on the crowd using 601 00:33:41,680 --> 00:33:46,920 Speaker 3: ak style assault rifles. They also apparently had pistols and knives. 602 00:33:47,480 --> 00:33:50,200 Speaker 3: And put yourself in this situation. If you've been to 603 00:33:50,240 --> 00:33:53,800 Speaker 3: a concert that has a lot of theatrical sound design, 604 00:33:54,360 --> 00:33:57,200 Speaker 3: then you might hear gunshots and think it's part of 605 00:33:57,240 --> 00:34:04,200 Speaker 3: the opener, you know what I mean, Travis Skull or whatever, right, 606 00:34:05,520 --> 00:34:08,000 Speaker 3: And I also want to stop there. Do you guys 607 00:34:08,719 --> 00:34:11,319 Speaker 3: are you familiar with the Russian band Picnic? I was 608 00:34:11,360 --> 00:34:16,600 Speaker 3: not Picnic. Yeah, yeah, okay, Well they're pretty big because 609 00:34:16,960 --> 00:34:21,000 Speaker 3: this is there is a huge venue. Unfortunately at the 610 00:34:21,040 --> 00:34:25,560 Speaker 3: time also there were children and teenagers in this venue 611 00:34:25,920 --> 00:34:30,719 Speaker 3: for an unrelated ballroom dance competition, So that gives us 612 00:34:30,719 --> 00:34:32,680 Speaker 3: a sense of the size, the fact that they can 613 00:34:32,719 --> 00:34:36,640 Speaker 3: have these two big events going on at once. And 614 00:34:36,920 --> 00:34:40,160 Speaker 3: there is a little bit of video footage that shows 615 00:34:40,280 --> 00:34:43,359 Speaker 3: these people firing into the crowd. It appears they were 616 00:34:43,400 --> 00:34:49,960 Speaker 3: wearing baseball caps. The assailants are apparently heard shouting to 617 00:34:50,120 --> 00:34:55,120 Speaker 3: each other in Arabic and then they escape after deploying 618 00:34:55,280 --> 00:34:59,080 Speaker 3: sendury devices we should mention gas bombs to start a 619 00:34:59,120 --> 00:35:02,719 Speaker 3: fire in the audit, which led to even more injuries. 620 00:35:04,000 --> 00:35:08,799 Speaker 3: The authorities responded as quickly as they could, but the 621 00:35:08,800 --> 00:35:14,360 Speaker 3: gunman initially escaped and then they got captured per Russian 622 00:35:14,400 --> 00:35:19,880 Speaker 3: authorities attempting to exit Russia via the poorous western border 623 00:35:20,760 --> 00:35:23,680 Speaker 3: in the war with Ukraine. Does that jibe with what 624 00:35:23,719 --> 00:35:24,960 Speaker 3: you guys have seen reporting. 625 00:35:25,280 --> 00:35:30,000 Speaker 2: Yeah, it's just been really complicated to follow because there 626 00:35:30,080 --> 00:35:34,080 Speaker 2: have been several high level conspiracy theories that have put 627 00:35:34,520 --> 00:35:40,520 Speaker 2: out by the Kremlin which are fascinating just about again 628 00:35:40,840 --> 00:35:44,680 Speaker 2: often placing blame on the West, have like instead of 629 00:35:44,800 --> 00:35:50,080 Speaker 2: ISIS or ISIS as the cover. But it's really changed 630 00:35:50,160 --> 00:35:53,440 Speaker 2: a lot since this story first broke again, Like last 631 00:35:53,560 --> 00:35:55,719 Speaker 2: time we were recording one of these strange news it 632 00:35:55,760 --> 00:35:59,879 Speaker 2: happened like right after that. Yeah, it's just confusing if 633 00:36:00,960 --> 00:36:05,440 Speaker 2: it feels weird and a very high level tragic attack 634 00:36:05,560 --> 00:36:07,520 Speaker 2: on civilians m m. 635 00:36:08,120 --> 00:36:08,600 Speaker 5: Yeah. 636 00:36:08,640 --> 00:36:11,800 Speaker 3: And I was talking with was talking with some people 637 00:36:11,960 --> 00:36:15,399 Speaker 3: familiar with this situation doing like just a vibe tech 638 00:36:15,560 --> 00:36:18,080 Speaker 3: you know, what can you tell us about this? And 639 00:36:18,239 --> 00:36:22,719 Speaker 3: even if you are just looking through a cursory kind 640 00:36:22,760 --> 00:36:26,719 Speaker 3: of like forensic Google investigation of the context and how 641 00:36:26,760 --> 00:36:29,920 Speaker 3: this situation came to be, then you see a lot 642 00:36:30,000 --> 00:36:35,000 Speaker 3: of troubling things. It is a fact that the West 643 00:36:35,480 --> 00:36:41,880 Speaker 3: warned Russia that some attack was imminent. They were it 644 00:36:42,080 --> 00:36:46,480 Speaker 3: was Canada and the United Kingdom and the US warned 645 00:36:46,520 --> 00:36:49,799 Speaker 3: any of their citizens in Russia there seemed like there 646 00:36:49,840 --> 00:36:54,000 Speaker 3: was an attack. The US privately warned Russian officials that 647 00:36:54,160 --> 00:36:59,239 Speaker 3: this spin off, this franchise of the Islamic State was 648 00:36:59,320 --> 00:37:03,360 Speaker 3: going to attack because they had gathered intelligence earlier in March, 649 00:37:03,440 --> 00:37:07,200 Speaker 3: like earlier that month, this was fresh baked information, and 650 00:37:08,600 --> 00:37:14,320 Speaker 3: Putin apparently roundly ignored it because the US intelligence community 651 00:37:14,320 --> 00:37:18,080 Speaker 3: officially they have something called the duty to warn requirement, 652 00:37:18,400 --> 00:37:22,279 Speaker 3: which means that if there is a dangerous attack on 653 00:37:22,440 --> 00:37:26,319 Speaker 3: civilians that is imminent and actionable, then it doesn't matter 654 00:37:26,360 --> 00:37:28,640 Speaker 3: if you're friends with the country where it's going to happen, 655 00:37:29,000 --> 00:37:33,360 Speaker 3: you are supposed to let them know. Because the innocence evolved. 656 00:37:33,680 --> 00:37:36,080 Speaker 3: You know, they have nothing to do with the larger wars. 657 00:37:37,280 --> 00:37:41,600 Speaker 3: So Putin and Putin's circle, or I guess, I say, 658 00:37:41,640 --> 00:37:45,160 Speaker 3: the Putin administration, they dismissed this, and they didn't just 659 00:37:45,200 --> 00:37:48,799 Speaker 3: say it was incorrect. They said it was blackmail. They 660 00:37:48,840 --> 00:37:51,320 Speaker 3: said it was a threat. So they're saying. They didn't 661 00:37:51,360 --> 00:37:55,160 Speaker 3: take this as a hey, let's at least work together 662 00:37:55,239 --> 00:37:58,520 Speaker 3: to save lives. They took it as I guess, a 663 00:37:58,640 --> 00:38:02,360 Speaker 3: very sinister move right, and that may be part of 664 00:38:02,400 --> 00:38:07,480 Speaker 3: why Putin is accusing Ukraine, which he did immediately, and 665 00:38:07,600 --> 00:38:12,799 Speaker 3: Zelenski came out from Ukraine immediately and said no, absolutely not. 666 00:38:13,440 --> 00:38:17,840 Speaker 3: We did not do this. And let's think about the 667 00:38:17,880 --> 00:38:23,080 Speaker 3: people the countries that were warning Russia, Canada, the UK, 668 00:38:23,719 --> 00:38:28,920 Speaker 3: the US. This feels five I to me, right because 669 00:38:28,920 --> 00:38:31,799 Speaker 3: for the US, I don't know the conspiracy theories being 670 00:38:31,840 --> 00:38:33,880 Speaker 3: floated by Russia. Tell me what you think about this 671 00:38:33,960 --> 00:38:37,919 Speaker 3: one is that you'll see people on the internet going, 672 00:38:38,000 --> 00:38:43,640 Speaker 3: you know, it's interesting how ISAIS seems to be attacking 673 00:38:44,040 --> 00:38:47,759 Speaker 3: enemies of the West now and the concept being, the 674 00:38:47,760 --> 00:38:51,560 Speaker 3: implication being that the Islamic state itself is heavily compromised, 675 00:38:51,880 --> 00:38:55,239 Speaker 3: and maybe now the terrorist has become a puppet of 676 00:38:55,280 --> 00:38:59,200 Speaker 3: Western forces. I think that's a lot that seems kind 677 00:38:59,200 --> 00:39:01,000 Speaker 3: of complicated, right, well. 678 00:39:00,880 --> 00:39:03,880 Speaker 4: Overly so to the point where it seems, you know, 679 00:39:04,239 --> 00:39:07,160 Speaker 4: it's that thing whenever a conspiracy has way way too 680 00:39:07,239 --> 00:39:09,600 Speaker 4: many moving parts or way too many parties that need 681 00:39:09,640 --> 00:39:14,279 Speaker 4: to be in perfect sink and cooperation, chances are the 682 00:39:14,360 --> 00:39:15,160 Speaker 4: reality is. 683 00:39:15,040 --> 00:39:16,360 Speaker 5: Something a little more streamlined. 684 00:39:16,400 --> 00:39:19,640 Speaker 3: It's a little route Goldberg esk right, yea yeah, yeah. 685 00:39:19,480 --> 00:39:23,719 Speaker 2: But it is an organization that has largely fallen out 686 00:39:23,800 --> 00:39:29,080 Speaker 2: of popular coverage in media, right yeah. So, I don't know, 687 00:39:29,120 --> 00:39:32,640 Speaker 2: when you feel like there's an armed somewhat organized group 688 00:39:32,800 --> 00:39:34,920 Speaker 2: like that. I'm not saying there's any sand of the 689 00:39:35,000 --> 00:39:38,160 Speaker 2: accusations that it's being used as some kind of puppet organization, 690 00:39:38,280 --> 00:39:40,680 Speaker 2: but it does feel weird when you don't hear about 691 00:39:40,680 --> 00:39:44,200 Speaker 2: it very often. Then something this high profile comes along, right, 692 00:39:44,239 --> 00:39:46,839 Speaker 2: that appears to have a lot of planning, a lot 693 00:39:46,880 --> 00:39:49,320 Speaker 2: of strategy to get all those people you know, into 694 00:39:49,320 --> 00:39:51,759 Speaker 2: where they were, to have the weapons they had, and 695 00:39:51,840 --> 00:39:55,919 Speaker 2: to pull it all off. Yeah, it feels even more 696 00:39:56,040 --> 00:39:59,239 Speaker 2: organized than you imagine a group like that would be. 697 00:39:59,640 --> 00:40:03,120 Speaker 3: Yeah, and also not just to the point of organization, 698 00:40:03,239 --> 00:40:08,600 Speaker 3: but if you look at the fingerprints of previous is activity, 699 00:40:08,640 --> 00:40:11,880 Speaker 3: this doesn't match their moone. This is a change. You know, 700 00:40:11,960 --> 00:40:16,880 Speaker 3: they usually, without sounding to crass, they usually send folks 701 00:40:16,920 --> 00:40:19,799 Speaker 3: on a one way trip when they're sowing this kind 702 00:40:19,840 --> 00:40:23,040 Speaker 3: of tragedy in chaos. And maybe it's because this is 703 00:40:23,160 --> 00:40:29,279 Speaker 3: a regional branch or a subsidiary of the larger Islamic state. 704 00:40:29,360 --> 00:40:36,200 Speaker 3: This is is KP Islamic State, Corrusan province. But the 705 00:40:36,320 --> 00:40:38,759 Speaker 3: idea that they would make an attack and it not 706 00:40:38,880 --> 00:40:43,680 Speaker 3: be a suicide attack, that is it is just markedly different. 707 00:40:43,840 --> 00:40:48,120 Speaker 3: You know, previous Islamic State things like we had discussed 708 00:40:48,160 --> 00:40:51,479 Speaker 3: a little bit off air the attack in Iran which 709 00:40:51,560 --> 00:40:54,319 Speaker 3: led to more than one hundred people dead. That was 710 00:40:54,800 --> 00:41:00,640 Speaker 3: to that was two suicide bombers. So it seems or 711 00:41:00,640 --> 00:41:02,960 Speaker 3: at least you know, I don't know how much we 712 00:41:03,000 --> 00:41:06,399 Speaker 3: read into it, but it is worth noting that their 713 00:41:06,600 --> 00:41:10,399 Speaker 3: tactics have changed at this point. They attempted to have 714 00:41:10,440 --> 00:41:13,360 Speaker 3: an exit plan. And then also why would their exit 715 00:41:13,360 --> 00:41:17,759 Speaker 3: plan be Ukraine? Is it because the border is more 716 00:41:17,840 --> 00:41:20,920 Speaker 3: porous due to conflict, But then knowing you would have 717 00:41:21,000 --> 00:41:26,960 Speaker 3: to drive through bloody swaths of the military, the military 718 00:41:27,160 --> 00:41:29,840 Speaker 3: that you just attacked, or is country you just attacked, 719 00:41:30,480 --> 00:41:34,640 Speaker 3: it's I don't like it. It's dodgy, it's suspect. And 720 00:41:35,200 --> 00:41:38,600 Speaker 3: there's another. There are even more pieces that get stranger 721 00:41:38,640 --> 00:41:41,600 Speaker 3: and stranger. You guys, remember the apartments, right, How Putin 722 00:41:41,680 --> 00:41:45,080 Speaker 3: came to power? Oh man, it's not a story. The 723 00:41:45,120 --> 00:41:46,040 Speaker 3: Jedi will tell you. 724 00:41:46,960 --> 00:41:49,600 Speaker 4: Okay, can you tell us here? 725 00:41:49,960 --> 00:41:54,200 Speaker 3: Yeah? Sure. In nineteen ninety nine, there was a series 726 00:41:54,280 --> 00:42:04,200 Speaker 3: of explosions for apartment blocks in different cities around Russia, Moscow, Polnaksk, Vogodunksk. 727 00:42:05,239 --> 00:42:09,160 Speaker 3: More than three hundred people were killed, thousands of people 728 00:42:09,400 --> 00:42:13,759 Speaker 3: were injured, and this became one of the events that 729 00:42:14,040 --> 00:42:18,560 Speaker 3: led Putin to his current level of power, because after 730 00:42:18,680 --> 00:42:22,680 Speaker 3: those bombings occurred, Putin used as the pretext to launch 731 00:42:22,719 --> 00:42:27,120 Speaker 3: a second war in Chechnya, and this became a long 732 00:42:27,360 --> 00:42:32,560 Speaker 3: protracted war. It wasn't just a special military operation. History 733 00:42:32,600 --> 00:42:36,560 Speaker 3: is proving that is apparently never the case. And for 734 00:42:36,719 --> 00:42:44,640 Speaker 3: a long time Putin's critics and Putin's rivals and journalists, 735 00:42:45,560 --> 00:42:49,520 Speaker 3: they maintained that Vladimir Putin may have pulled like a 736 00:42:49,760 --> 00:42:54,360 Speaker 3: p and Ac or even something even something more evil, 737 00:42:54,920 --> 00:42:58,759 Speaker 3: that he either planned the attacks or allowed the attacks 738 00:42:58,800 --> 00:43:03,360 Speaker 3: to happen so that he could gather power, consolidate power, 739 00:43:03,400 --> 00:43:06,799 Speaker 3: and launch this war in Chechnya. This also led to 740 00:43:07,360 --> 00:43:12,040 Speaker 3: the Yeltsin losing power and stepping down in nineteen ninety nine. 741 00:43:12,239 --> 00:43:14,759 Speaker 3: So if you believe that there is more to the 742 00:43:14,880 --> 00:43:18,120 Speaker 3: story than the official narrative right now of what's happening 743 00:43:18,120 --> 00:43:22,800 Speaker 3: with the Moscow attacks, then you look at prior events 744 00:43:23,120 --> 00:43:25,200 Speaker 3: like this, and I've got to tell you, I don't 745 00:43:25,280 --> 00:43:30,400 Speaker 3: know the answers in this specific regard, but surely, just 746 00:43:30,400 --> 00:43:33,799 Speaker 3: with the things we've outlined in less than fifteen minutes here, 747 00:43:34,360 --> 00:43:37,360 Speaker 3: it's suspect, right, it's fishy. Does this not seem fishy? 748 00:43:37,480 --> 00:43:37,640 Speaker 2: Oh? 749 00:43:37,719 --> 00:43:43,680 Speaker 5: Yeah, highly. The question is like what, ooh, why? When? Where? 750 00:43:43,840 --> 00:43:44,040 Speaker 3: Now? 751 00:43:44,320 --> 00:43:46,200 Speaker 2: Yeah? What kind of fish? What kind of fish is it? 752 00:43:46,200 --> 00:43:49,520 Speaker 3: It's unfortunately a good question. We're going to have to 753 00:43:50,080 --> 00:43:51,640 Speaker 3: We're going to have to think about it, and we 754 00:43:51,719 --> 00:43:55,080 Speaker 3: need your help, folks, So let us know what you 755 00:43:55,160 --> 00:43:58,400 Speaker 3: think of the official narrative. Obviously, the Putin administration is 756 00:43:58,440 --> 00:44:02,799 Speaker 3: going to use this as for the rationalization for the 757 00:44:02,880 --> 00:44:07,760 Speaker 3: conflict in Ukraine. We still don't know how much force 758 00:44:07,960 --> 00:44:11,080 Speaker 3: Russia can put, like how much extra force or additional 759 00:44:11,120 --> 00:44:15,080 Speaker 3: force they can put into play. And a quick lass note, 760 00:44:15,440 --> 00:44:19,200 Speaker 3: Putin did quite recently, like as we're recording, come out 761 00:44:19,239 --> 00:44:23,880 Speaker 3: and say that he blamed radical Islamic extremists. He believes 762 00:44:23,920 --> 00:44:26,560 Speaker 3: they were operating at the best of Ukraine. But we'll 763 00:44:26,640 --> 00:44:32,880 Speaker 3: leave you with this. Those terrorists, those four guys killed 764 00:44:33,040 --> 00:44:37,120 Speaker 3: world one hundred people and then got back in a car, 765 00:44:37,560 --> 00:44:44,920 Speaker 3: drove almost two thousand miles, passed multiple military checkpoints before 766 00:44:44,960 --> 00:44:48,799 Speaker 3: they were caught. The Islamic state doesn't do stuff like that, 767 00:44:49,280 --> 00:44:49,880 Speaker 3: or they didn't. 768 00:44:50,520 --> 00:44:53,360 Speaker 2: Makes you think just goes back to the what trained 769 00:44:53,400 --> 00:44:56,560 Speaker 2: by the West. Basically isis did it? But they were trained, 770 00:44:56,960 --> 00:44:59,520 Speaker 2: that's the claim that's being made there. I mean it 771 00:44:59,560 --> 00:45:02,800 Speaker 2: does sound tactics that you'd hear about with special forces 772 00:45:02,840 --> 00:45:05,640 Speaker 2: training or something. But again that's complete speculation. 773 00:45:05,920 --> 00:45:08,440 Speaker 3: We don't have the proof, you know. We just know 774 00:45:08,680 --> 00:45:13,600 Speaker 3: that are there are things that complicate or that call 775 00:45:13,760 --> 00:45:17,719 Speaker 3: into question this official narrative we're getting. And we now 776 00:45:17,760 --> 00:45:23,680 Speaker 3: have two competing narratives from the superpowers of old. Right, 777 00:45:23,800 --> 00:45:27,200 Speaker 3: we warned you, no, you threatened us, and now we 778 00:45:27,239 --> 00:45:30,320 Speaker 3: will respond. And when elephants make war, its the grass 779 00:45:30,320 --> 00:45:34,120 Speaker 3: that suffers. We want to hear your thoughts, fellow conspiracy realist, 780 00:45:34,280 --> 00:45:36,840 Speaker 3: tell us what is on your mind, what is going 781 00:45:36,880 --> 00:45:40,560 Speaker 3: on in Moscow? Would love to hear from you if 782 00:45:40,560 --> 00:45:42,560 Speaker 3: you're in the Baltimore area or if you're in the 783 00:45:42,600 --> 00:45:46,560 Speaker 3: Moscow area as well. And we're wishing your friends, families, 784 00:45:46,680 --> 00:45:52,359 Speaker 3: and yourself safe travels and adventures and good health. We 785 00:45:52,440 --> 00:45:54,560 Speaker 3: hope that you do not get cursed by a fast 786 00:45:54,560 --> 00:45:58,200 Speaker 3: food mascot. That's a good way to end it. And yeah, 787 00:45:58,280 --> 00:45:59,799 Speaker 3: let us know your thoughts. 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