1 00:00:10,200 --> 00:00:14,160 Speaker 1: From Meat Eaters World News headquarters in Bozeman, Montana. This 2 00:00:14,320 --> 00:00:19,080 Speaker 1: is Cow's Week in Review with Ryan cow Calahan. Here's 3 00:00:19,160 --> 00:00:24,640 Speaker 1: cal Two Cornell University students found themselves at the center 4 00:00:24,680 --> 00:00:27,880 Speaker 1: of a campus controversy last week after they processed a 5 00:00:27,880 --> 00:00:30,600 Speaker 1: bear carcass and a kitchen in one of the student 6 00:00:30,680 --> 00:00:34,360 Speaker 1: residence halls. The Ithaca Voice reports that the students laid 7 00:00:34,360 --> 00:00:36,680 Speaker 1: a tarp over a kitchen table, cut up at one 8 00:00:36,760 --> 00:00:39,400 Speaker 1: hundred and twenty pound black bear, and put the various 9 00:00:39,440 --> 00:00:42,479 Speaker 1: cuts of meat in ziploc bags before storing it in 10 00:00:42,560 --> 00:00:45,640 Speaker 1: the freezer. Their good meat handling earned them a report 11 00:00:45,680 --> 00:00:48,640 Speaker 1: to the police from I assume one of the other students, 12 00:00:48,800 --> 00:00:51,280 Speaker 1: but officers said the kids didn't break any laws. The 13 00:00:51,320 --> 00:00:54,760 Speaker 1: New York Department of Environmental Conservation also looked into the 14 00:00:54,800 --> 00:00:56,800 Speaker 1: matter and found that the pair of hunters had all 15 00:00:56,840 --> 00:01:00,480 Speaker 1: the proper licenses and took the bear legally, just to 16 00:01:00,560 --> 00:01:03,480 Speaker 1: really cover their bases. The Ithaca Voice also reported that 17 00:01:03,560 --> 00:01:06,760 Speaker 1: quote Cornell's student Code of Conduct does not appear to 18 00:01:06,800 --> 00:01:11,840 Speaker 1: address animal carcass, transportation, processing, or the storage of raw meat. 19 00:01:12,120 --> 00:01:15,640 Speaker 1: I think that might be changing soon. However, that would 20 00:01:15,640 --> 00:01:19,119 Speaker 1: maybe lead to a ban of anybody on the carnivore 21 00:01:19,160 --> 00:01:22,039 Speaker 1: diet who likes to cook on campus looking forward to 22 00:01:22,040 --> 00:01:26,680 Speaker 1: those student senate deliberations. These two fellas haven't been identified, 23 00:01:26,720 --> 00:01:29,720 Speaker 1: though they did post images of their exploits to social media. 24 00:01:29,800 --> 00:01:32,440 Speaker 1: One of those images shows the field dressed bear laying 25 00:01:32,600 --> 00:01:35,240 Speaker 1: on the table first side down, another shows the bear 26 00:01:35,360 --> 00:01:38,319 Speaker 1: mostly cut up and processed, and the last shows a 27 00:01:38,319 --> 00:01:41,199 Speaker 1: freezer full of meat. To hunters, none of these images 28 00:01:41,240 --> 00:01:43,360 Speaker 1: are shocking. It's what we see every time we kill 29 00:01:43,400 --> 00:01:47,319 Speaker 1: an animal. But commenters online are obviously disturbed. Some might 30 00:01:47,360 --> 00:01:49,520 Speaker 1: say hunters shouldn't be doing this kind of thing in 31 00:01:49,560 --> 00:01:51,800 Speaker 1: such a public place. At the same time, it's good 32 00:01:51,800 --> 00:01:54,240 Speaker 1: for people to see what bear hunters do with these 33 00:01:54,280 --> 00:01:56,800 Speaker 1: animals we eat them. But I want to know what 34 00:01:56,880 --> 00:01:59,960 Speaker 1: y'all think. Was this stunt helpful or harmful to our 35 00:02:00,040 --> 00:02:02,920 Speaker 1: reputation as hunters? Is it even a stunt at all? 36 00:02:03,520 --> 00:02:07,440 Speaker 1: Where else are these college kids supposed to process their meat? 37 00:02:07,800 --> 00:02:11,520 Speaker 1: Let me know by writing in askcl that's asked cal 38 00:02:11,560 --> 00:02:14,799 Speaker 1: at the meeteater dot com or leaving me a voicemail 39 00:02:14,800 --> 00:02:17,320 Speaker 1: at four O six two two zero six four four one, 40 00:02:17,680 --> 00:02:20,240 Speaker 1: and if you know the hunters in question, send them 41 00:02:20,280 --> 00:02:22,560 Speaker 1: my way. I'd love to speak to them and hear 42 00:02:22,720 --> 00:02:28,200 Speaker 1: exactly what happened. I have heard tons of animal processing 43 00:02:28,240 --> 00:02:32,000 Speaker 1: stories that have happened on campuses all across the country. 44 00:02:32,440 --> 00:02:34,399 Speaker 1: We used to do a fair bit of it ourselves 45 00:02:34,480 --> 00:02:37,640 Speaker 1: during our uh or, i should say, my small run 46 00:02:37,720 --> 00:02:41,720 Speaker 1: at the University of Montana. It's just me. However, you 47 00:02:41,840 --> 00:02:45,760 Speaker 1: can freak people out, and there's good ways to mitigate that. 48 00:02:46,400 --> 00:02:50,080 Speaker 1: But college kids are young. Remember let me know what 49 00:02:50,120 --> 00:02:54,480 Speaker 1: you think. This week, we've got Strepa, Japanese Bears, feral cats, 50 00:02:54,520 --> 00:02:56,800 Speaker 1: and Tim from TM. But first, I'm going to tell 51 00:02:56,800 --> 00:02:59,320 Speaker 1: you about my week and gang. I'm still stringing it 52 00:02:59,360 --> 00:03:03,480 Speaker 1: all together. Happy to report the bow is throwing darts, 53 00:03:03,480 --> 00:03:05,840 Speaker 1: and I'm very close to shoving my other concerns and 54 00:03:05,880 --> 00:03:08,400 Speaker 1: responsibilities out of the way to actually pack my gear 55 00:03:08,440 --> 00:03:12,200 Speaker 1: for Alaska, get those vacation notices going, which of course 56 00:03:12,280 --> 00:03:14,960 Speaker 1: means I'll be pre recording some content to keep you 57 00:03:14,960 --> 00:03:18,200 Speaker 1: folks as dialed as possible. So if we are a 58 00:03:18,200 --> 00:03:20,280 Speaker 1: little behind the curve on the day to day, well, 59 00:03:20,400 --> 00:03:23,600 Speaker 1: it's because the out of doors are calling. It is 60 00:03:23,639 --> 00:03:26,239 Speaker 1: that time of year. After all. We have a couple 61 00:03:26,360 --> 00:03:29,919 Speaker 1: great podcast guests coming up. Hopefully caught our last drop 62 00:03:29,960 --> 00:03:33,160 Speaker 1: with Chris Wood, CEO at Trout Unlimited, and I know 63 00:03:33,200 --> 00:03:36,040 Speaker 1: you got your comments in on the roadless rule. So 64 00:03:36,160 --> 00:03:38,920 Speaker 1: write a letter to your representative asking them to push 65 00:03:38,960 --> 00:03:42,800 Speaker 1: back against SO three four four two, which complicates the 66 00:03:42,960 --> 00:03:47,080 Speaker 1: accessibility of the Land and Water Conservation Fund. How does 67 00:03:47,120 --> 00:03:51,000 Speaker 1: it complicate the accessibility? Well, it diverts funds away from 68 00:03:51,040 --> 00:03:54,600 Speaker 1: creating access to things everyone agrees we need, like easements 69 00:03:54,640 --> 00:03:58,640 Speaker 1: to land locked federally managed ground. That's right, taxpayer funded land, 70 00:03:58,680 --> 00:04:02,480 Speaker 1: but we can't get to instead. SO three four four 71 00:04:02,520 --> 00:04:05,480 Speaker 1: two takes a well functioning, fully established, no burden to 72 00:04:05,520 --> 00:04:08,640 Speaker 1: the taxpayer program and makes it more burdensome to use, 73 00:04:09,160 --> 00:04:13,280 Speaker 1: especially if the intent is to use LWCF for the 74 00:04:13,400 --> 00:04:17,120 Speaker 1: intended purpose, which is to provide additional access and additional 75 00:04:17,160 --> 00:04:21,920 Speaker 1: acreage of high importance. Additionally, Secretarial Order three four four 76 00:04:22,000 --> 00:04:25,560 Speaker 1: two includes redundancy such as veto power for state and 77 00:04:25,600 --> 00:04:29,360 Speaker 1: local governments, which, friends and neighbors is exactly how these 78 00:04:29,400 --> 00:04:33,120 Speaker 1: projects are identified is through the work and participation of 79 00:04:33,200 --> 00:04:36,400 Speaker 1: state and local governments. They do not happen without local 80 00:04:36,400 --> 00:04:40,440 Speaker 1: support and local elbow grease. We know that public lands 81 00:04:40,440 --> 00:04:43,960 Speaker 1: have a price tag on them. These acres are incredibly valuable. 82 00:04:44,160 --> 00:04:47,360 Speaker 1: They are getting increasingly so because the demands on them 83 00:04:47,440 --> 00:04:51,479 Speaker 1: are increasing as well. Asking to deny so three four 84 00:04:51,560 --> 00:04:55,000 Speaker 1: four two is simply asking for a well run program 85 00:04:55,040 --> 00:04:58,080 Speaker 1: to continue as it should. It's not asking for more 86 00:04:58,760 --> 00:05:03,400 Speaker 1: is an easy one. Call your representative and senator today. 87 00:05:04,640 --> 00:05:08,400 Speaker 1: Right now, the governing body that oversees the stripe bass 88 00:05:08,440 --> 00:05:11,440 Speaker 1: conservation on the Eastern Seaboard is taking public comment on 89 00:05:11,480 --> 00:05:14,320 Speaker 1: the latest update to their management plan. The Atlantic States 90 00:05:14,320 --> 00:05:17,440 Speaker 1: Marine Fisheries Commission is asking for stripe bass anglers to 91 00:05:17,480 --> 00:05:20,800 Speaker 1: weigh in on Addendum three to the fisheries management plan 92 00:05:20,920 --> 00:05:24,240 Speaker 1: by October third. In twenty nineteen, the Atlantic stripe bass 93 00:05:24,240 --> 00:05:27,200 Speaker 1: fishery was declared to be overfished, and in twenty twenty 94 00:05:27,240 --> 00:05:30,559 Speaker 1: a major rebuilding plan was undertaken to rebuild the stock 95 00:05:30,640 --> 00:05:33,599 Speaker 1: by twenty twenty nine. In late twenty twenty four and 96 00:05:33,680 --> 00:05:37,400 Speaker 1: early twenty twenty five, the latest stock assessment let us 97 00:05:37,480 --> 00:05:41,599 Speaker 1: know how those fish are doing. Unfortunately, the news ain't great. 98 00:05:42,000 --> 00:05:44,760 Speaker 1: The likelihood that the fishery will hit its twenty twenty 99 00:05:44,839 --> 00:05:47,960 Speaker 1: nine rebuilding target is less than fifty percent, and stripe 100 00:05:48,000 --> 00:05:51,360 Speaker 1: bass mortality is expected to climb this year. In response, 101 00:05:51,760 --> 00:05:56,239 Speaker 1: the ASMFC drafted this latest addendum plan with the measures 102 00:05:56,240 --> 00:06:00,400 Speaker 1: that aim to reduce fishery removals by twelve percent. Hope 103 00:06:00,400 --> 00:06:03,159 Speaker 1: that this will bend the needle to the twenty nine 104 00:06:03,279 --> 00:06:06,479 Speaker 1: target after all. But exactly how we get to that 105 00:06:06,520 --> 00:06:10,080 Speaker 1: twelve percent reduction is up to you. Conservation groups, including 106 00:06:10,279 --> 00:06:13,040 Speaker 1: my good buddy Chris Borgotti over there Backcountry Hunters and 107 00:06:13,080 --> 00:06:16,440 Speaker 1: Anglers is calling on all anglers to speak up now, 108 00:06:16,960 --> 00:06:19,720 Speaker 1: and I got to tell you participation has not been good. 109 00:06:19,760 --> 00:06:21,880 Speaker 1: I know it's the fall, I know lots of things 110 00:06:21,920 --> 00:06:26,359 Speaker 1: are going on, but unless you participate, this will likely 111 00:06:26,560 --> 00:06:31,280 Speaker 1: lead to lengthy moratoriums, as in no fishing for anybody. 112 00:06:31,640 --> 00:06:34,320 Speaker 1: So get your comments in, Get in, be a part 113 00:06:34,320 --> 00:06:37,279 Speaker 1: of the process, part of being a responsible angler these days. 114 00:06:38,000 --> 00:06:41,440 Speaker 1: There's four key sections of a dendum. Three methods to 115 00:06:41,440 --> 00:06:43,800 Speaker 1: measure fish, where to tag them, how to determine the 116 00:06:43,880 --> 00:06:47,520 Speaker 1: length of the fishing season, exactly who fishery removals should 117 00:06:47,520 --> 00:06:51,760 Speaker 1: apply to. Each section has several alternatives, and BHA has 118 00:06:51,800 --> 00:06:53,719 Speaker 1: done the work to determine which will lead to the 119 00:06:53,720 --> 00:06:57,320 Speaker 1: best outcome for the future of the fishery. So stop 120 00:06:57,320 --> 00:07:00,720 Speaker 1: what you're doing, and navigate over to the CALTA Action 121 00:07:00,839 --> 00:07:03,520 Speaker 1: section of the Mediator website where we have a link 122 00:07:03,600 --> 00:07:06,719 Speaker 1: to get involved. Remember the deadline for written comment is 123 00:07:06,760 --> 00:07:10,560 Speaker 1: October three, and there are several public hearings both online 124 00:07:10,600 --> 00:07:13,840 Speaker 1: and in person between now and then. Commissioners really pay 125 00:07:13,880 --> 00:07:16,560 Speaker 1: attention to those hearings and how many people show up 126 00:07:16,560 --> 00:07:18,840 Speaker 1: on each side of these issues, So make an effort 127 00:07:18,920 --> 00:07:23,040 Speaker 1: to get yourself to those for the future of this resource. Again, 128 00:07:23,360 --> 00:07:26,440 Speaker 1: all that infos over at the cal TO Action site, 129 00:07:26,760 --> 00:07:28,800 Speaker 1: Let's make sure there are a bunch of stripers for 130 00:07:28,880 --> 00:07:30,960 Speaker 1: all of us to go after for decades. To come 131 00:07:32,040 --> 00:07:34,040 Speaker 1: over to the Dancing with the Devil in the Pale 132 00:07:34,040 --> 00:07:38,840 Speaker 1: moonlight desk. We're bringing you major political developments from the 133 00:07:38,880 --> 00:07:41,840 Speaker 1: heart of the cold, Cold City, New York, that is 134 00:07:42,600 --> 00:07:47,040 Speaker 1: New York City mayoral candidate Curtis Sliwa recently unveiled plans 135 00:07:47,080 --> 00:07:51,080 Speaker 1: to combat the city's persistent rat problem. Rats are serious 136 00:07:51,120 --> 00:07:54,040 Speaker 1: politics in New York. Current Mayor Eric Adams promised to 137 00:07:54,240 --> 00:07:58,520 Speaker 1: e raticate the rodents from homes, businesses, and parks, including 138 00:07:58,600 --> 00:08:03,160 Speaker 1: hiring full time quote quote ratzar, who, according to city records, 139 00:08:03,320 --> 00:08:06,080 Speaker 1: makes one hundred and fifty five thousand dollars a year. 140 00:08:06,760 --> 00:08:11,720 Speaker 1: That's nice work if you can get it. Sliwa has 141 00:08:11,760 --> 00:08:14,960 Speaker 1: a much more economical approach to the rat problem, colonies 142 00:08:15,040 --> 00:08:18,000 Speaker 1: of feral cats. Speaking to The New York Post, he 143 00:08:18,080 --> 00:08:21,200 Speaker 1: detailed the only equipment needed for his plan, saying, quote, 144 00:08:21,200 --> 00:08:24,240 Speaker 1: it's generally a little plastic tupperware box that they can 145 00:08:24,280 --> 00:08:27,440 Speaker 1: go in and out of, especially when there's inclement weather. 146 00:08:28,000 --> 00:08:30,880 Speaker 1: That's a pretty small feline item in the city's budget. 147 00:08:31,520 --> 00:08:35,160 Speaker 1: Sliwa recommends establishing thousands of these boxes and parks throughout 148 00:08:35,160 --> 00:08:38,800 Speaker 1: the city, continuing, quote, it would be like they're on patrol. 149 00:08:39,120 --> 00:08:42,800 Speaker 1: Consider them like Batman and Robin Gotham Caped crusaders at night. 150 00:08:43,720 --> 00:08:46,840 Speaker 1: Sliwa is a fixture in New York politics, a Republican 151 00:08:46,880 --> 00:08:50,880 Speaker 1: mayoral candidate in an overwhelmingly democratic town who runs every 152 00:08:50,920 --> 00:08:53,559 Speaker 1: cycle despite certain defeat. You got to start in the 153 00:08:53,640 --> 00:08:56,960 Speaker 1: late seventies founding a group called the Guardian Angels, which 154 00:08:56,960 --> 00:09:00,360 Speaker 1: he calls a quote unquote crime prevention organization, at which 155 00:09:00,440 --> 00:09:03,439 Speaker 1: most others call a group of vigilanties. Part of the 156 00:09:03,520 --> 00:09:06,080 Speaker 1: uniform of the Guardian Angels is a bright red beret, 157 00:09:06,240 --> 00:09:09,719 Speaker 1: which Sewa still wears. At all times, making this conservative 158 00:09:09,760 --> 00:09:13,800 Speaker 1: Republican look like a communist revolutionary. Sleewa wasn't always a 159 00:09:13,840 --> 00:09:16,040 Speaker 1: cat advocate. Over the course of the eighties, he was 160 00:09:16,040 --> 00:09:19,320 Speaker 1: busted half a dozen times for staging fake criminal incidents 161 00:09:19,360 --> 00:09:22,400 Speaker 1: to get publicity for the Guardian Angels. But in nineteen 162 00:09:22,440 --> 00:09:25,240 Speaker 1: ninety two, after bad mouthing the gaudy crime organization on 163 00:09:25,280 --> 00:09:28,320 Speaker 1: his weekly radio talk show, slee was survived an all 164 00:09:28,320 --> 00:09:30,640 Speaker 1: too real hit put out on him by John Gotti, 165 00:09:30,960 --> 00:09:34,199 Speaker 1: suffering several gunshot wounds to his lower body before leaping 166 00:09:34,240 --> 00:09:36,079 Speaker 1: out the window of a moving cab where the hit 167 00:09:36,160 --> 00:09:39,320 Speaker 1: was staged. He's been married five times, and he credits 168 00:09:39,320 --> 00:09:42,959 Speaker 1: his current wife, Nancy, with converting him to animal rights activism. 169 00:09:43,360 --> 00:09:45,720 Speaker 1: The couple have fifteen cats in their three hundred and 170 00:09:45,720 --> 00:09:48,559 Speaker 1: fifty square foot our apartment, and Sleewa is running for 171 00:09:48,640 --> 00:09:52,000 Speaker 1: mayor this fall, not only as a Republican but also 172 00:09:52,080 --> 00:09:54,559 Speaker 1: as a member of the so called Protect Animals Party, 173 00:09:54,760 --> 00:09:58,120 Speaker 1: which seems to have exactly one member. If you haven't 174 00:09:58,120 --> 00:10:00,760 Speaker 1: seen this guy yet, don't worry, you'll smell him coming. 175 00:10:01,559 --> 00:10:03,959 Speaker 1: This isn't the first time that Sleiwa has suggested cats 176 00:10:03,960 --> 00:10:07,480 Speaker 1: to combat rodents. Last year In an inspired bit of trolling, 177 00:10:07,679 --> 00:10:11,080 Speaker 1: he held a feral cat press conference outside a brownstone 178 00:10:11,120 --> 00:10:13,600 Speaker 1: owned by current Mayor Eric Adams, which has been the 179 00:10:13,640 --> 00:10:17,000 Speaker 1: site of continual rat infestation. How are you going to 180 00:10:17,040 --> 00:10:19,000 Speaker 1: attack a rat problem in the whole city when you 181 00:10:19,000 --> 00:10:21,120 Speaker 1: can't even deal with your own rat problem, he said 182 00:10:21,160 --> 00:10:23,840 Speaker 1: at the time. So let's run the numbers on Sleiwa's 183 00:10:23,840 --> 00:10:27,120 Speaker 1: plan upfront. I'll acknowledge that rats are gross. No one 184 00:10:27,160 --> 00:10:28,880 Speaker 1: wants to see them in a park, and having them 185 00:10:28,880 --> 00:10:31,320 Speaker 1: in your small city apartment is something I wouldn't wish 186 00:10:31,320 --> 00:10:33,920 Speaker 1: on my worst enemy. At the same time, according to 187 00:10:33,960 --> 00:10:36,800 Speaker 1: the CDC, rats are responsible for fewer than three hundred 188 00:10:36,880 --> 00:10:39,880 Speaker 1: cases of human illness in the US every year, mostly 189 00:10:39,920 --> 00:10:43,560 Speaker 1: from leptosporrosis and a form of strap, both of which 190 00:10:43,600 --> 00:10:46,920 Speaker 1: can be easily treated with antibiotics. Cats, on the other hand, 191 00:10:47,080 --> 00:10:51,120 Speaker 1: have infected over forty million Americans with the disease toxoplasmosis. 192 00:10:51,360 --> 00:10:55,880 Speaker 1: Although most people with toxoplasmosis are asymptomatic, over two hundred 193 00:10:55,880 --> 00:10:58,640 Speaker 1: thousand people get sick every year, and babies born to 194 00:10:58,679 --> 00:11:01,559 Speaker 1: women with the disease can suffer damage to the brain, eyes, 195 00:11:01,600 --> 00:11:04,320 Speaker 1: and other organs. About five hundred people go to the 196 00:11:04,360 --> 00:11:08,400 Speaker 1: hospital every year with Bartonella hensela or cat scratch disease, 197 00:11:08,679 --> 00:11:11,480 Speaker 1: and cats cause more causes of rabies every year than 198 00:11:11,520 --> 00:11:14,920 Speaker 1: any other domestic animal. Replacing rats with cats is like 199 00:11:15,000 --> 00:11:18,520 Speaker 1: replacing a hangnail with a hand grenade. Although rats will 200 00:11:18,520 --> 00:11:22,160 Speaker 1: outlast us all, the simple solution to minimizing their impact 201 00:11:22,240 --> 00:11:25,040 Speaker 1: is simply to lock up your garbage. New York City 202 00:11:25,080 --> 00:11:27,760 Speaker 1: has adopted trash cans with a closing lid as a 203 00:11:27,800 --> 00:11:31,120 Speaker 1: replacement for just putting plastic garbage bags out on the 204 00:11:31,120 --> 00:11:34,960 Speaker 1: street for pickup, and rat complaints are actually down sixteen 205 00:11:35,000 --> 00:11:38,600 Speaker 1: point four percent this year. However, Mayor Adams has refused 206 00:11:38,600 --> 00:11:41,480 Speaker 1: to carry out a statute that provided these cans free 207 00:11:41,559 --> 00:11:44,640 Speaker 1: of charge to low income buildings. Maybe that's why, along 208 00:11:44,640 --> 00:11:48,280 Speaker 1: with his countless other scandals, Adams is currently trailing Kurtis 209 00:11:48,320 --> 00:11:52,040 Speaker 1: Sliwa in the polls by two points. Either that or 210 00:11:52,080 --> 00:11:55,240 Speaker 1: Adams should try wearing a chic red beret of his 211 00:11:55,280 --> 00:12:00,160 Speaker 1: own hot dang. That article was writ and research by 212 00:12:00,360 --> 00:12:05,920 Speaker 1: our own Alex Tilney onto the Asia desk of the 213 00:12:05,920 --> 00:12:09,240 Speaker 1: Bear Human Conflict Beat. On September one, Japan enacted the 214 00:12:09,320 --> 00:12:12,400 Speaker 1: law relaxing its gun restrictions in response to an epidemic 215 00:12:12,440 --> 00:12:15,000 Speaker 1: of bear attacks in the northern part of the country. 216 00:12:15,520 --> 00:12:18,600 Speaker 1: Prior to this legislation, police had to conduct a review 217 00:12:18,640 --> 00:12:21,720 Speaker 1: that could last hours or days to officially approve use 218 00:12:21,840 --> 00:12:25,360 Speaker 1: of a firearm in an occupied area. Now, local government 219 00:12:25,400 --> 00:12:28,720 Speaker 1: officials can call for licensed hunters to respond immediately to 220 00:12:28,800 --> 00:12:32,439 Speaker 1: bear incidents. You might not think of dangerous megafauna when 221 00:12:32,480 --> 00:12:35,280 Speaker 1: you think of Japan, but the northernmost island of the 222 00:12:35,360 --> 00:12:39,400 Speaker 1: Japanese archipelago, Hokkaido, is a stone's throwaway from the Russian 223 00:12:39,440 --> 00:12:42,600 Speaker 1: island of Sakoln, and the brown bear is native to both. 224 00:12:42,679 --> 00:12:46,040 Speaker 1: As the Japanese population ages and becomes more urban, many 225 00:12:46,080 --> 00:12:49,280 Speaker 1: farms that acted as buffers to urban areas have been abandoned, 226 00:12:49,320 --> 00:12:52,840 Speaker 1: and hunter numbers have also declined. Climate change is affecting 227 00:12:52,880 --> 00:12:55,520 Speaker 1: the mass crops of the bear's native forests, prompting them 228 00:12:55,559 --> 00:12:59,160 Speaker 1: to find calories nearer to people. Bear human conflict has 229 00:12:59,200 --> 00:13:02,319 Speaker 1: therefore absolute exploded in the Land of the Rising Sun 230 00:13:02,480 --> 00:13:05,760 Speaker 1: over the past several years. Two hundred and nineteen people 231 00:13:05,760 --> 00:13:08,280 Speaker 1: were attacked by bears between March twenty twenty four and 232 00:13:08,320 --> 00:13:11,720 Speaker 1: March twenty twenty five, the highest number on record, and 233 00:13:11,880 --> 00:13:15,080 Speaker 1: already since March there have been fifty five attacks this year, 234 00:13:15,320 --> 00:13:18,520 Speaker 1: including a hiker and a newspaper delivery man killed in 235 00:13:18,679 --> 00:13:22,720 Speaker 1: Hokkaido in July. The problem has also spread further south. 236 00:13:22,920 --> 00:13:25,120 Speaker 1: There have been one hundred and fifty four bear sightings 237 00:13:25,200 --> 00:13:28,000 Speaker 1: so far this year in Tokyo, and the city government 238 00:13:28,160 --> 00:13:31,040 Speaker 1: has even started an online map of bear sightings to 239 00:13:31,120 --> 00:13:34,240 Speaker 1: help people avoid run ins. And angler was attacked by 240 00:13:34,280 --> 00:13:36,800 Speaker 1: a bear in a western suburb of Tokyo on August 241 00:13:36,880 --> 00:13:40,000 Speaker 1: twenty third, and Yamagada Airport north of the city was 242 00:13:40,040 --> 00:13:42,520 Speaker 1: brought to a standstill in June by a bear who 243 00:13:42,559 --> 00:13:45,520 Speaker 1: was in no hurry at all walking along the runway. 244 00:13:46,000 --> 00:13:48,160 Speaker 1: Things have gotten so out of hand that the death 245 00:13:48,160 --> 00:13:50,320 Speaker 1: of a ninety one year old man was initially blamed 246 00:13:50,360 --> 00:13:52,760 Speaker 1: on a bear before a police took a closer look 247 00:13:52,800 --> 00:13:55,320 Speaker 1: and realized that the wounds had been inflicted with a knife. 248 00:13:55,679 --> 00:13:57,920 Speaker 1: The man's fifty one year old son has now been 249 00:13:58,000 --> 00:14:02,080 Speaker 1: arrested for the murder could say he barely got caught. 250 00:14:03,600 --> 00:14:06,439 Speaker 1: In response to the brewin brew haha. The security camera 251 00:14:06,480 --> 00:14:11,120 Speaker 1: company Daiwa Sushin has developed an AI facial recognition technology 252 00:14:11,160 --> 00:14:14,079 Speaker 1: called face Bear that can trigger sirens to scare bears 253 00:14:14,120 --> 00:14:16,800 Speaker 1: away and alert property owners by a cell phone app. 254 00:14:17,240 --> 00:14:20,440 Speaker 1: Another AI company attempted a similar tool, but their tech 255 00:14:20,440 --> 00:14:25,720 Speaker 1: couldn't distinguish between bears and common housecats. Electronics manufacturer Otaseki 256 00:14:25,920 --> 00:14:29,120 Speaker 1: has sold hundreds of solar powered robot wolves with glowing 257 00:14:29,160 --> 00:14:32,880 Speaker 1: red eyes and multiple loud speakers. In July, police in 258 00:14:32,920 --> 00:14:36,240 Speaker 1: Tochigi Prefecture also recorded a video with an actor in 259 00:14:36,280 --> 00:14:38,880 Speaker 1: a bear suit in an effort to educate people on 260 00:14:38,960 --> 00:14:41,280 Speaker 1: how to respond in the event of a bear sighting. 261 00:14:41,840 --> 00:14:43,880 Speaker 1: All I can say is that the actor portraying the 262 00:14:43,880 --> 00:14:46,880 Speaker 1: bear makes Godzilla look like Daniel day Lewis on a 263 00:14:46,960 --> 00:14:50,040 Speaker 1: slightly more effective front. More Japanese people are starting to 264 00:14:50,120 --> 00:14:53,200 Speaker 1: carry bear spray in addition to wearing bear bells. Let's 265 00:14:53,200 --> 00:14:56,120 Speaker 1: hope this recent change in firearm law goes a long 266 00:14:56,160 --> 00:14:59,040 Speaker 1: way to resolving the issue, and as a side benefit, 267 00:14:59,200 --> 00:15:01,320 Speaker 1: I for one with sign up for some bear ramen. 268 00:15:02,480 --> 00:15:06,560 Speaker 1: Moving on to the crime desk, the next one is 269 00:15:06,600 --> 00:15:09,840 Speaker 1: what you might call a very English wildlife crime. The 270 00:15:09,880 --> 00:15:13,000 Speaker 1: North Yorkshire Police in the UK report that thirty seven 271 00:15:13,080 --> 00:15:15,720 Speaker 1: year old Michael Watt was using a Harris Hawk to 272 00:15:15,800 --> 00:15:18,520 Speaker 1: hunt small game on a private estate called Bolton Abbey. 273 00:15:18,800 --> 00:15:20,880 Speaker 1: He has been told he couldn't hunt on that property, 274 00:15:21,040 --> 00:15:23,560 Speaker 1: but I guess he didn't listen, so someone called the police. 275 00:15:23,920 --> 00:15:27,400 Speaker 1: Officers found the hawk, ferrets, hunting traps, and falconry equipment 276 00:15:27,400 --> 00:15:30,000 Speaker 1: in Watt's vehicle, along with a live rabbit and a neet. 277 00:15:30,320 --> 00:15:32,840 Speaker 1: Watt pled guilty and was given a ten year criminal 278 00:15:32,880 --> 00:15:36,120 Speaker 1: behavior order and made to pay almost one thousand pounds 279 00:15:36,160 --> 00:15:39,680 Speaker 1: in fines, costs, and other charges. The criminal behavior with 280 00:15:39,800 --> 00:15:42,520 Speaker 1: order bands Watt from keeping birds of prey or ferrets, 281 00:15:42,600 --> 00:15:46,280 Speaker 1: places restrictions on hunting, and also has conditions that prevent 282 00:15:46,360 --> 00:15:49,880 Speaker 1: him entering land. Poaching is obviously bad, and you shouldn't 283 00:15:49,960 --> 00:15:53,360 Speaker 1: run a hawk in private land without permission. But something 284 00:15:53,440 --> 00:15:55,960 Speaker 1: in my freedom loving American heart is always a little 285 00:15:55,960 --> 00:15:57,680 Speaker 1: bit on the side of the hunter trying to bring 286 00:15:57,720 --> 00:16:00,960 Speaker 1: home rabbit stew from the land to gentry. These stories 287 00:16:01,120 --> 00:16:03,160 Speaker 1: just remind me why I love our public land system 288 00:16:03,160 --> 00:16:06,320 Speaker 1: here in America, why privatizing that land is never a 289 00:16:06,360 --> 00:16:10,000 Speaker 1: good idea. A bunch of you sent me to this 290 00:16:10,080 --> 00:16:12,880 Speaker 1: next story of moose hunting guide in Alaska who's being 291 00:16:12,880 --> 00:16:15,640 Speaker 1: accused of defrauding his clients of over six hundred and 292 00:16:15,720 --> 00:16:19,600 Speaker 1: sixty thousand dollars. Official say forty eight year old Clint Miller, 293 00:16:19,640 --> 00:16:23,400 Speaker 1: who operates Alaska Wilderness outfitter, took payment from clients between 294 00:16:23,400 --> 00:16:26,800 Speaker 1: twenty nineteen and twenty twenty four without having a real 295 00:16:26,880 --> 00:16:29,680 Speaker 1: plan to get them a moose. One man from Michigan 296 00:16:29,720 --> 00:16:32,440 Speaker 1: says he paid Miller twenty four thy five hundred dollars 297 00:16:32,560 --> 00:16:34,960 Speaker 1: for a hunt, only to have Miller cancel at the 298 00:16:35,040 --> 00:16:37,800 Speaker 1: last minute. Four years in a row, Miller would make 299 00:16:37,880 --> 00:16:41,280 Speaker 1: some excuse about gear or fuel, but he wouldn't reimburse 300 00:16:41,360 --> 00:16:44,040 Speaker 1: the hunter his money. According to the civil complaint of 301 00:16:44,080 --> 00:16:46,920 Speaker 1: the thirty two clients Miller booked and accepted full payment 302 00:16:46,960 --> 00:16:49,800 Speaker 1: from for the twenty twenty three and twenty twenty four 303 00:16:49,880 --> 00:16:52,440 Speaker 1: hunting seasons, only two of them set foot on land 304 00:16:52,440 --> 00:16:55,520 Speaker 1: where they could legally hunt, but even those two clients 305 00:16:55,520 --> 00:16:58,320 Speaker 1: had limited opportunity to hunt because they had to travel 306 00:16:58,360 --> 00:17:01,280 Speaker 1: four hundred miles round trip from Miller's base camp to 307 00:17:01,320 --> 00:17:04,960 Speaker 1: the hunting grounds every day. In twenty twenty three, he 308 00:17:05,000 --> 00:17:08,280 Speaker 1: booked twenty two clients. In twenty twenty four, he booked 309 00:17:08,280 --> 00:17:11,000 Speaker 1: twenty five, but he only had the capacity to guide eight. 310 00:17:11,359 --> 00:17:13,959 Speaker 1: He canceled on all the others and refused to refund 311 00:17:14,000 --> 00:17:16,760 Speaker 1: their money. He was actually a real moose hunting guide. 312 00:17:16,760 --> 00:17:18,879 Speaker 1: At one point, he had a one hundred percent success 313 00:17:18,960 --> 00:17:22,119 Speaker 1: rate in twenty twenty, which he probably displayed on his website, 314 00:17:22,560 --> 00:17:26,200 Speaker 1: but then he just decided to not do it. None 315 00:17:26,240 --> 00:17:28,439 Speaker 1: of his clients have killed moose since twenty twenty one, 316 00:17:28,560 --> 00:17:31,320 Speaker 1: even though he still brags about his success rate online. 317 00:17:31,560 --> 00:17:34,720 Speaker 1: We'll see where this case goes, but Palmer's Superior Court 318 00:17:34,800 --> 00:17:38,960 Speaker 1: Judge Jonathan Woodman already issued a temporary restraining order against Miller. 319 00:17:39,080 --> 00:17:41,760 Speaker 1: The restraining order prevents Miller from taking new payments from 320 00:17:41,800 --> 00:17:44,880 Speaker 1: customers and requires him to pay restitution to clients who 321 00:17:44,920 --> 00:17:49,360 Speaker 1: submitted complaints. If you're looking for an outfitter anywhere, here's 322 00:17:49,400 --> 00:17:52,280 Speaker 1: some things to keep in mind. Most of them start 323 00:17:52,320 --> 00:17:56,680 Speaker 1: out good with good intentions. And there's like this saying 324 00:17:57,040 --> 00:18:01,240 Speaker 1: of you can have a good out fitter and a 325 00:18:01,280 --> 00:18:05,120 Speaker 1: bad business man, and they're one and the same. There's 326 00:18:05,160 --> 00:18:10,600 Speaker 1: lots of excuses here, and there are tons of variables 327 00:18:10,680 --> 00:18:13,240 Speaker 1: in the guiding game. And there are such things as 328 00:18:13,359 --> 00:18:16,920 Speaker 1: like horrible, god awful weather, where you call the clients 329 00:18:16,920 --> 00:18:20,040 Speaker 1: and you're like, listen, if you can punt to next 330 00:18:20,119 --> 00:18:23,479 Speaker 1: year or next week or whatever, it's going to work 331 00:18:23,520 --> 00:18:26,399 Speaker 1: out better for you, and then you know, things just 332 00:18:26,480 --> 00:18:29,399 Speaker 1: compound on each other at the end of the day. 333 00:18:29,920 --> 00:18:35,000 Speaker 1: This is still theft, right, but the point is in 334 00:18:35,000 --> 00:18:39,440 Speaker 1: twenty twenty Reputable Guide twenty twenty four to twenty five 335 00:18:39,920 --> 00:18:44,639 Speaker 1: not Reputable. So as you're calling sources, be sure to 336 00:18:44,920 --> 00:18:48,159 Speaker 1: get a hold of people who ideally have hunted on 337 00:18:48,280 --> 00:18:52,679 Speaker 1: multiple occasions with that outfitter different years. You want people 338 00:18:53,200 --> 00:18:56,400 Speaker 1: a few years back, somebody in between, and somebody as 339 00:18:56,480 --> 00:19:00,600 Speaker 1: current as possible. And then you also want to call 340 00:19:00,880 --> 00:19:05,720 Speaker 1: your game agencies and checking im on the outfitter. You 341 00:19:05,760 --> 00:19:09,360 Speaker 1: can look up like Better Business Bureau stuff too, that's helpful. 342 00:19:10,320 --> 00:19:15,040 Speaker 1: Absolutely do your homework. It's sad to say because I 343 00:19:15,080 --> 00:19:18,199 Speaker 1: know a lot of really good outfitters and guides, but 344 00:19:18,760 --> 00:19:22,439 Speaker 1: it is a business that is just it's got some 345 00:19:22,520 --> 00:19:25,280 Speaker 1: bad actors and it's not a big community, so you're 346 00:19:25,320 --> 00:19:27,960 Speaker 1: bound to one run into one the longer you're at 347 00:19:28,000 --> 00:19:32,480 Speaker 1: this game. So do your homework and good luck. Moving 348 00:19:32,520 --> 00:19:38,800 Speaker 1: on to the voicemail bag desk, Tim from Tennessee called 349 00:19:38,800 --> 00:19:40,359 Speaker 1: in with a question about some of the moves that 350 00:19:40,400 --> 00:19:43,119 Speaker 1: Trump administration is making in the conservation space. 351 00:19:43,640 --> 00:19:46,439 Speaker 2: Hey, cal it's Tim Bauer from Tennessee. I just wondering 352 00:19:46,440 --> 00:19:48,800 Speaker 2: if you could talk more about the public Lands Rule 353 00:19:48,880 --> 00:19:51,720 Speaker 2: recision and the recision of the roadless rule and all 354 00:19:51,760 --> 00:19:54,960 Speaker 2: these other moves that looks like the federal government's trying 355 00:19:55,000 --> 00:19:57,760 Speaker 2: to make on public lands. Just kind of you talk 356 00:19:57,800 --> 00:19:59,520 Speaker 2: about how there's a middle ground there. I'd like to 357 00:19:59,560 --> 00:20:02,280 Speaker 2: know your thought. No ground, particularly with respect to the 358 00:20:02,640 --> 00:20:03,960 Speaker 2: public land rule. 359 00:20:04,640 --> 00:20:08,240 Speaker 1: Anyway, Thanks for all you do, Tim, great question. Let 360 00:20:08,240 --> 00:20:10,600 Speaker 1: me give you a little background. The Department of the 361 00:20:10,600 --> 00:20:13,600 Speaker 1: Interior announced last week they planned to rescind a Biden 362 00:20:13,680 --> 00:20:17,399 Speaker 1: era rule that would have made conservation and official use 363 00:20:17,480 --> 00:20:21,040 Speaker 1: of BLM land. Interior Secretary Doug Bergham said in a 364 00:20:21,040 --> 00:20:24,320 Speaker 1: press release that quote, the previous administration's public Lands Rule 365 00:20:24,560 --> 00:20:27,879 Speaker 1: had the potential to block access to hundreds of thousands 366 00:20:27,920 --> 00:20:31,640 Speaker 1: of acres of multiple use land, preventing energy and mineral production, 367 00:20:31,840 --> 00:20:35,520 Speaker 1: timber management, grazing, and recreation across the West. Overturning this 368 00:20:35,600 --> 00:20:38,160 Speaker 1: rule protects our American way of life and gives our 369 00:20:38,200 --> 00:20:40,680 Speaker 1: communities a voice in the land that they depend on. 370 00:20:41,280 --> 00:20:43,160 Speaker 1: We spent quite a bit of time covering this rule 371 00:20:43,160 --> 00:20:45,480 Speaker 1: when it was first proposed because there was a lot 372 00:20:45,520 --> 00:20:49,639 Speaker 1: of skepticism. We even had then BLM director Tracy stone 373 00:20:49,680 --> 00:20:52,960 Speaker 1: Manning on the podcast talk about it. In fact, I 374 00:20:53,119 --> 00:20:56,560 Speaker 1: met with her here in Bozman yesterday. The Public Lands 375 00:20:56,600 --> 00:20:59,760 Speaker 1: Rule would have added conservation to an approved list of 376 00:20:59,840 --> 00:21:03,719 Speaker 1: US uses for BLM land, alongside grazing, mining, timber harvest, 377 00:21:03,760 --> 00:21:08,040 Speaker 1: and recreation. Advocates argued that conserving land for future generations 378 00:21:08,119 --> 00:21:10,600 Speaker 1: is perhaps the best use of land there is, but 379 00:21:10,640 --> 00:21:13,639 Speaker 1: opponents pointed out that putting some land under a conservation 380 00:21:13,760 --> 00:21:17,720 Speaker 1: lease might put conservation projects on other parcels in jeopardy. 381 00:21:18,119 --> 00:21:21,159 Speaker 1: They also worried that conservation leases would restrict access to 382 00:21:21,240 --> 00:21:24,720 Speaker 1: hunters and anglers on those acres. For his part, Bergham 383 00:21:24,760 --> 00:21:28,520 Speaker 1: suggests that those currently leasing land under other approved uses 384 00:21:28,720 --> 00:21:31,680 Speaker 1: already have a major incentive to conserve it. That might 385 00:21:31,720 --> 00:21:33,920 Speaker 1: be true for grazing and timber harvest, but I don't 386 00:21:33,960 --> 00:21:36,159 Speaker 1: think the health of elk or mule deer or sage 387 00:21:36,160 --> 00:21:39,680 Speaker 1: grouse habitat has anything to do with the mind's bottom line. 388 00:21:40,119 --> 00:21:42,600 Speaker 1: As it turns out, all that arguing was much ado 389 00:21:42,720 --> 00:21:45,840 Speaker 1: about nothing. Even though the rule went into effect last year. 390 00:21:45,880 --> 00:21:49,080 Speaker 1: I'm not aware of any conservation leases actually being granted. 391 00:21:49,520 --> 00:21:52,040 Speaker 1: Some of the media have reported that the Trump administration's 392 00:21:52,080 --> 00:21:56,600 Speaker 1: decision to rescind the rule is dismantling conservation protections, but 393 00:21:56,920 --> 00:21:59,960 Speaker 1: that's a bit disingenuous. It's more like the Trump admin 394 00:22:00,200 --> 00:22:04,199 Speaker 1: is dismantling potential future conservation protections, but nothing on the 395 00:22:04,200 --> 00:22:07,919 Speaker 1: ground is actually changing. Of course, the next administration might 396 00:22:07,960 --> 00:22:10,200 Speaker 1: decide to resurrect this rule, and if they do, we'll 397 00:22:10,240 --> 00:22:12,359 Speaker 1: be sure to keep you in the loop. Tim asked 398 00:22:12,400 --> 00:22:14,000 Speaker 1: what I mean when I say there's a middle ground 399 00:22:14,080 --> 00:22:16,520 Speaker 1: to a lot of these actions. I think some people 400 00:22:16,600 --> 00:22:20,960 Speaker 1: are ignoring when it comes to this public land rule. Again, 401 00:22:21,000 --> 00:22:22,840 Speaker 1: it's much a new would do about nothing because it 402 00:22:22,880 --> 00:22:27,160 Speaker 1: was never truly implemented. But the idea here is that 403 00:22:27,760 --> 00:22:33,040 Speaker 1: you would elevate the conservation aspect of land alongside the 404 00:22:33,200 --> 00:22:38,399 Speaker 1: uses of what we think of BLM for right grazing, extraction, 405 00:22:39,280 --> 00:22:42,359 Speaker 1: mineral natural gas development, that sort of thing, to where 406 00:22:42,520 --> 00:22:47,080 Speaker 1: that conservation aspect had to be weighed in higher value. 407 00:22:47,440 --> 00:22:51,280 Speaker 1: So it was meant intended to be an overlapping use, 408 00:22:51,760 --> 00:22:57,280 Speaker 1: not in exclusive use. I hope that makes sense. During 409 00:22:57,359 --> 00:23:02,760 Speaker 1: this time, there's lots of debate on could a conservation organization, 410 00:23:02,880 --> 00:23:06,600 Speaker 1: particularly like one of the quote unquote green groups, could 411 00:23:06,640 --> 00:23:11,919 Speaker 1: they lease BLM ground and prevent access to hunters And 412 00:23:11,960 --> 00:23:16,280 Speaker 1: that was a hard no, just like a grazing operator 413 00:23:16,359 --> 00:23:21,640 Speaker 1: can't prevent access to hunters. Currently, you have to get 414 00:23:21,680 --> 00:23:25,600 Speaker 1: like a special use permit to prevent access. And those 415 00:23:26,000 --> 00:23:31,439 Speaker 1: situations are almost exclusively reserved for hard rock mining, some 416 00:23:31,520 --> 00:23:34,880 Speaker 1: of the solar stuff that got chunked out on public land, 417 00:23:34,960 --> 00:23:38,080 Speaker 1: stuff like that. So oh and I guess sometimes ski 418 00:23:38,160 --> 00:23:41,640 Speaker 1: areas can prevent people from going up on the hill 419 00:23:42,119 --> 00:23:45,720 Speaker 1: because of you know, wanting to prevent harm to those 420 00:23:45,760 --> 00:23:51,120 Speaker 1: people through the operations. So middle ground here in this 421 00:23:51,160 --> 00:23:54,560 Speaker 1: particular case, middle ground would have been to run with 422 00:23:54,760 --> 00:23:57,959 Speaker 1: the rule and ensure it operates as it was intended. 423 00:23:58,680 --> 00:24:02,080 Speaker 1: And you know, one thing that is just always overlooked 424 00:24:02,800 --> 00:24:05,199 Speaker 1: is there's never a point in time where it's just 425 00:24:05,280 --> 00:24:08,720 Speaker 1: democrats in the room making the rules or just Republicans 426 00:24:08,760 --> 00:24:12,320 Speaker 1: in the room making the rules. So even when there's 427 00:24:12,560 --> 00:24:17,280 Speaker 1: a majority super majority situation, there's going to be the 428 00:24:17,680 --> 00:24:22,879 Speaker 1: quote other side in the room weighing and pushing hard 429 00:24:23,320 --> 00:24:25,760 Speaker 1: for the things that they want. That's that's how government 430 00:24:25,840 --> 00:24:28,560 Speaker 1: works here. So if you want to talk about middle 431 00:24:28,600 --> 00:24:32,679 Speaker 1: ground on the roadless rule. All of the stated reasons 432 00:24:32,760 --> 00:24:36,360 Speaker 1: for changing the roadless rule, rescinding the roadless Rule, they 433 00:24:36,440 --> 00:24:40,359 Speaker 1: just really don't hold any water because any one of 434 00:24:40,400 --> 00:24:45,440 Speaker 1: those reasons wildfire mitigation, let's take that still doesn't need 435 00:24:45,480 --> 00:24:48,040 Speaker 1: to be applied to forty eight million acres, Like we 436 00:24:48,080 --> 00:24:51,399 Speaker 1: can make that happen in those buffer areas the wildland 437 00:24:51,520 --> 00:24:55,160 Speaker 1: urban interface, and it's going to be you know, maybe 438 00:24:55,800 --> 00:24:59,240 Speaker 1: maybe I don't know how million acres, let's say five 439 00:24:59,280 --> 00:25:02,520 Speaker 1: million for Gripe's sakes, Like, it's just not going to 440 00:25:02,560 --> 00:25:04,800 Speaker 1: be something that needs to be applied across the board. 441 00:25:05,560 --> 00:25:11,320 Speaker 1: Same goes with roadbuilding for fire suppression, fire management, timber harvest, 442 00:25:11,359 --> 00:25:14,760 Speaker 1: timber management. Again, these are like one size fits all 443 00:25:14,800 --> 00:25:20,080 Speaker 1: statements to a very diverse, very large landscape that one 444 00:25:20,119 --> 00:25:23,240 Speaker 1: size fits all just doesn't work for So when the 445 00:25:23,280 --> 00:25:26,359 Speaker 1: roadless Rule, as Chris Wood pointed out the other day, 446 00:25:26,960 --> 00:25:30,560 Speaker 1: was put together, the stakeholders were at the table. This 447 00:25:30,760 --> 00:25:35,960 Speaker 1: was a non partisan action. The Greenies and the loggers 448 00:25:35,960 --> 00:25:39,080 Speaker 1: were at the table putting this one together gain and 449 00:25:39,280 --> 00:25:41,720 Speaker 1: as were the fiscal hawks that wanted to remove a 450 00:25:41,760 --> 00:25:46,000 Speaker 1: thirty three billion dollar budget item. So the middle ground 451 00:25:46,040 --> 00:25:50,159 Speaker 1: on the roadless rule is identifying what it is people want. 452 00:25:50,760 --> 00:25:52,680 Speaker 1: As I've said many times on the show, I think 453 00:25:52,720 --> 00:25:56,320 Speaker 1: it's mineral extraction is what they want. Then identifying those 454 00:25:56,440 --> 00:25:59,600 Speaker 1: areas and the why. Right, If it's so your buddy 455 00:25:59,600 --> 00:26:03,600 Speaker 1: can get bitch, uh, beat it go pound SAand if 456 00:26:03,640 --> 00:26:09,800 Speaker 1: it's because there's a crucial deposit of rare minerals that 457 00:26:09,880 --> 00:26:13,680 Speaker 1: the US needs to be viable in the long term, sure, 458 00:26:13,800 --> 00:26:15,760 Speaker 1: let's talk about it, and let's talk about how to 459 00:26:15,760 --> 00:26:20,000 Speaker 1: make that sustainable. That's a common sense middle ground. And 460 00:26:20,200 --> 00:26:25,120 Speaker 1: there's always always these middle grounds on these issues. That's 461 00:26:25,119 --> 00:26:27,480 Speaker 1: all I got for you. Remember to write in ask 462 00:26:27,680 --> 00:26:30,120 Speaker 1: c A L. That's Ascal at the meeteater dot com. 463 00:26:30,200 --> 00:26:31,600 Speaker 1: Let me know what's going on in your neck of 464 00:26:31,640 --> 00:26:35,600 Speaker 1: the woods. Ass Timmy from TM just did call in 465 00:26:35,720 --> 00:26:38,240 Speaker 1: to four oh six two two zero six four four 466 00:26:38,320 --> 00:26:41,639 Speaker 1: one and leave us a message. Maybe you'll hear it 467 00:26:41,680 --> 00:26:43,159 Speaker 1: here on this show and we'll get back to you. 468 00:26:43,880 --> 00:26:45,760 Speaker 1: That's all I got for you. Thanks again, talk to 469 00:26:45,800 --> 00:26:46,359 Speaker 1: you next week.