1 00:00:05,160 --> 00:00:07,680 Speaker 1: Hey, this is Annie and Samantha and Malcomy stuff. I 2 00:00:07,720 --> 00:00:18,880 Speaker 1: never told you protection of I High Radio and it's 3 00:00:18,920 --> 00:00:23,600 Speaker 1: time for another edition of a Spoiled Saturday's. Today we 4 00:00:23,640 --> 00:00:27,800 Speaker 1: are going to be talking about the Fear Street trilogy, 5 00:00:28,400 --> 00:00:31,480 Speaker 1: which is on Netflix. So if you don't want to 6 00:00:31,520 --> 00:00:35,400 Speaker 1: be spoiled, then I suggest that you go and watch 7 00:00:35,479 --> 00:00:38,519 Speaker 1: them and come back. I I had the pleasure of 8 00:00:38,560 --> 00:00:44,080 Speaker 1: rewatching them yesterday for work. So it's funny to be 9 00:00:44,080 --> 00:00:48,080 Speaker 1: because when these movies came out, people kept telling me 10 00:00:48,120 --> 00:00:49,599 Speaker 1: you have to watch them, you have to watch them, 11 00:00:49,640 --> 00:00:53,479 Speaker 1: you love them, and I was like, yeah, yeah, I'll 12 00:00:53,520 --> 00:00:56,520 Speaker 1: get to them eventually, and when I did, I did 13 00:00:56,600 --> 00:00:59,360 Speaker 1: love them. And then I sort of like spread it 14 00:00:59,400 --> 00:01:02,360 Speaker 1: to other people hole and I kept telling my friends like, 15 00:01:02,560 --> 00:01:06,000 Speaker 1: if you start, if you watch the first one, we're 16 00:01:06,000 --> 00:01:07,959 Speaker 1: gonna be up all night because you're gonna watch the 17 00:01:08,000 --> 00:01:09,600 Speaker 1: second one, and then you're gonna wanna watch the third one. 18 00:01:09,640 --> 00:01:11,200 Speaker 1: And they also, no, no no, no, I'll be get watching 19 00:01:11,200 --> 00:01:14,360 Speaker 1: the first one. And then three AM rolls around and 20 00:01:14,360 --> 00:01:20,440 Speaker 1: they're like, oh, that's watching. How did you discover them? 21 00:01:20,440 --> 00:01:24,240 Speaker 1: What was your first experience? Like, so, yeah, when I 22 00:01:24,280 --> 00:01:26,760 Speaker 1: first watched it, I didn't know what I was getting into. 23 00:01:27,080 --> 00:01:31,880 Speaker 1: I loved the Fear Street series that was originally released 24 00:01:31,880 --> 00:01:36,920 Speaker 1: in the nineties, I believe by R. L Stein, completely different. Obviously, 25 00:01:36,920 --> 00:01:39,960 Speaker 1: this is a whole different take, so I don't quite remember. 26 00:01:40,000 --> 00:01:43,920 Speaker 1: I do remember the sisters in the book, and I 27 00:01:44,000 --> 00:01:47,960 Speaker 1: remember the traveling back and forth. If you remember the 28 00:01:48,000 --> 00:01:51,559 Speaker 1: Fear Street any of our el Stein's books like that, 29 00:01:53,200 --> 00:01:56,280 Speaker 1: first and foremost, it was very sexual. For a teenager 30 00:01:56,360 --> 00:01:58,920 Speaker 1: reading these books, they were really sexual, and I was like, 31 00:01:58,960 --> 00:02:02,920 Speaker 1: holy crap, yes, as a repressed team, give me this. 32 00:02:04,000 --> 00:02:06,880 Speaker 1: So I feel like they held to that one pretty closely. 33 00:02:07,320 --> 00:02:09,919 Speaker 1: Outside of that um, I was excited to see that 34 00:02:09,960 --> 00:02:13,280 Speaker 1: I was radiant are or at least mature because for me, 35 00:02:13,760 --> 00:02:16,960 Speaker 1: obviously again this was a teen series. But you really 36 00:02:17,000 --> 00:02:18,959 Speaker 1: can't get to the essence of the book without all 37 00:02:19,000 --> 00:02:22,160 Speaker 1: of that violence, because you do read the violence in 38 00:02:22,200 --> 00:02:25,239 Speaker 1: the book and you're like, what is happening and you're 39 00:02:25,320 --> 00:02:29,799 Speaker 1: gripped by it. So love, Love, love the book. Really 40 00:02:29,800 --> 00:02:33,040 Speaker 1: excited that they took this point and made it different, 41 00:02:33,160 --> 00:02:36,600 Speaker 1: but they still had the Fear Street Fear sisters. I 42 00:02:36,639 --> 00:02:39,120 Speaker 1: think there's only one in this one, but in the 43 00:02:39,160 --> 00:02:41,480 Speaker 1: original is the fear f I E R and talking 44 00:02:41,520 --> 00:02:44,320 Speaker 1: about how that went on the good the name good 45 00:02:44,800 --> 00:02:49,400 Speaker 1: also happens. I don't think in the book, and this 46 00:02:49,480 --> 00:02:53,640 Speaker 1: is how long haspen there was anything about Sunnyville or 47 00:02:53,680 --> 00:02:57,720 Speaker 1: Shady Side, So that's new to me. Maybe tell me 48 00:02:57,760 --> 00:02:59,200 Speaker 1: if I'm wrong. I feel like it was a whole 49 00:02:59,240 --> 00:03:02,600 Speaker 1: like back of forth with the family, but not necessarily 50 00:03:03,320 --> 00:03:06,160 Speaker 1: with like community. But I could be wrong. It could 51 00:03:06,160 --> 00:03:08,320 Speaker 1: be just something I slipped from my mind. But yeah, 52 00:03:08,400 --> 00:03:11,959 Speaker 1: watching the series delighted, love to take it, had love 53 00:03:12,040 --> 00:03:15,520 Speaker 1: the flashbags, love all that. Yeah, they're really really fun. 54 00:03:15,720 --> 00:03:19,679 Speaker 1: I grew up reading goose Bumps. I will tell you 55 00:03:19,720 --> 00:03:22,160 Speaker 1: that used to scare me so badly that I really 56 00:03:22,200 --> 00:03:26,280 Speaker 1: don't remember them. Like my mind was like, nope, one 57 00:03:26,400 --> 00:03:30,240 Speaker 1: alien dude, he was a bug. My. The one that 58 00:03:30,680 --> 00:03:32,839 Speaker 1: really terrified me was the one where the kid got 59 00:03:32,880 --> 00:03:35,520 Speaker 1: trapped in the mirror. He got trapped in the mirror 60 00:03:35,520 --> 00:03:38,360 Speaker 1: world and there was because you know, I doppelgangers freaked 61 00:03:38,400 --> 00:03:41,440 Speaker 1: me out, so like the doppelganger was living his life 62 00:03:41,440 --> 00:03:45,400 Speaker 1: and he could only see from the mirror. Oh, listeners, 63 00:03:45,560 --> 00:03:50,400 Speaker 1: if you have a favorite goose Bumps, please know just 64 00:03:50,480 --> 00:03:53,920 Speaker 1: remember the teacher that turns into a bug alien. That's 65 00:03:53,920 --> 00:03:56,240 Speaker 1: the one I remember. Goose Bumps was not up my ally, 66 00:03:56,360 --> 00:03:58,760 Speaker 1: but yeah, I just remember that one buggle. Look what's 67 00:03:58,800 --> 00:04:02,440 Speaker 1: the hell? Yeah, we had we had all of them, 68 00:04:02,480 --> 00:04:04,160 Speaker 1: and we had like a little bookshelf and it just 69 00:04:04,200 --> 00:04:06,920 Speaker 1: had all the goose bumps and I would stay up 70 00:04:06,920 --> 00:04:08,680 Speaker 1: and I wouldn't be able to sleep because they scared 71 00:04:08,720 --> 00:04:13,480 Speaker 1: me so badly. Uh well, speaking of before we get 72 00:04:13,520 --> 00:04:19,320 Speaker 1: into this. As always, as has made clear in recent episodes, 73 00:04:19,360 --> 00:04:21,280 Speaker 1: if we ever recommend a movie, please do your own 74 00:04:21,320 --> 00:04:28,800 Speaker 1: research first, really get mad. These are can't be slasher movies, um, 75 00:04:28,839 --> 00:04:33,400 Speaker 1: and they can't get pretty graphic. UM. So just be 76 00:04:33,520 --> 00:04:36,560 Speaker 1: aware before you gone this journey, if you haven't gone 77 00:04:36,560 --> 00:04:40,760 Speaker 1: on it already. UM. So we're going to run through 78 00:04:40,839 --> 00:04:43,800 Speaker 1: the plot first and then we're gonna break down some 79 00:04:43,839 --> 00:04:47,599 Speaker 1: of the themes as we usually do so. The Fear 80 00:04:47,640 --> 00:04:50,720 Speaker 1: Street Trilogy is an American horror series based on the 81 00:04:50,839 --> 00:04:54,839 Speaker 1: or Elstein books, directed by Lee Janiak, who also co 82 00:04:55,000 --> 00:04:59,599 Speaker 1: wrote the scripts. Um. They were released in July and 83 00:04:59,800 --> 00:05:03,600 Speaker 1: at We're pretty positively received. The movie star Keiana Madaria 84 00:05:04,000 --> 00:05:08,599 Speaker 1: as Dina, Olivia Scott Welch as Sam Benjamin Flores Junior 85 00:05:08,640 --> 00:05:13,760 Speaker 1: as Josh, Julia Redwall as Kate fred Hestinger, Simon Ashley 86 00:05:13,839 --> 00:05:15,920 Speaker 1: Zuckerman Asn't It Good? And yes, I put that last 87 00:05:15,960 --> 00:05:19,040 Speaker 1: name in there for a reason, Danielle Britt Gibson as 88 00:05:19,120 --> 00:05:22,640 Speaker 1: Martin Gillian Jacobs, I believe that's how she pronounces it. 89 00:05:22,720 --> 00:05:26,400 Speaker 1: And Sadie Sink as see Ziggie Berman, and Maya Hawk 90 00:05:26,520 --> 00:05:28,680 Speaker 1: as Heather. And that's just a few, because this is 91 00:05:29,240 --> 00:05:36,880 Speaker 1: three movies spanning across multiple decades and centuries. So yes, um, 92 00:05:37,000 --> 00:05:39,800 Speaker 1: they follow a group of teenagers in the cursed town 93 00:05:39,960 --> 00:05:43,120 Speaker 1: of Shady Side, and this is a curse that has 94 00:05:43,160 --> 00:05:46,520 Speaker 1: existed for hundreds of years. The films trace the curse 95 00:05:46,720 --> 00:05:49,600 Speaker 1: backwards as the group searches for the source of it, 96 00:05:50,240 --> 00:05:52,480 Speaker 1: with the third act of the third movie bringing the 97 00:05:52,560 --> 00:05:55,320 Speaker 1: viewer back to modern day to confront the curse. So 98 00:05:55,440 --> 00:05:57,440 Speaker 1: that's why when I was telling my friends, like, once 99 00:05:57,440 --> 00:06:00,400 Speaker 1: we start, you're not gonna want to stop because you start, 100 00:06:00,440 --> 00:06:03,600 Speaker 1: And then the first one ends with like, but if 101 00:06:03,640 --> 00:06:06,320 Speaker 1: we go back, maybe we'll learn more. And then if 102 00:06:06,360 --> 00:06:08,400 Speaker 1: we go back and maybe we'll learn more. It's kind 103 00:06:08,440 --> 00:06:11,000 Speaker 1: of like a mystery, like like, oh, I gotta get 104 00:06:11,000 --> 00:06:15,080 Speaker 1: to the bottom of what's going on here. So let's 105 00:06:15,080 --> 00:06:19,480 Speaker 1: start with part one, which takes place in and let 106 00:06:19,520 --> 00:06:24,960 Speaker 1: me just say, oh, the nineties, the nineties, the music, 107 00:06:25,600 --> 00:06:31,840 Speaker 1: the technology. It makes me every time I watch it, 108 00:06:31,880 --> 00:06:35,400 Speaker 1: I'm like, oh yeah, these songs I remember, Oh yeah, this, 109 00:06:35,720 --> 00:06:40,440 Speaker 1: these technologies, I remember. Oh, the old Internet message boards, 110 00:06:40,560 --> 00:06:43,760 Speaker 1: all of that stuff. So the first one opens with 111 00:06:43,800 --> 00:06:48,280 Speaker 1: a teenager murdered by her friend Ryan in Shady Side Mall, 112 00:06:48,360 --> 00:06:51,359 Speaker 1: which is this is filmed in Georgia, and it's the 113 00:06:51,360 --> 00:06:53,359 Speaker 1: same place they film ship Stranger things. So if you 114 00:06:53,400 --> 00:06:57,120 Speaker 1: saw that, mom, we're like, huh, it looks familiar. It's 115 00:06:57,200 --> 00:07:00,279 Speaker 1: because it was filmed in the same place. I have 116 00:07:00,360 --> 00:07:06,000 Speaker 1: been there. You have been there, the very cheap movie matinees. Yes, 117 00:07:06,360 --> 00:07:09,240 Speaker 1: several others are killed before the murderer is shot and 118 00:07:09,320 --> 00:07:12,000 Speaker 1: killed himself by Sheriff Nick Good. And then these kinds 119 00:07:12,000 --> 00:07:15,120 Speaker 1: of treats this whole thing like shady ciders suck. They 120 00:07:15,200 --> 00:07:19,800 Speaker 1: deserve it as has happened before. Um It's shady Side 121 00:07:19,840 --> 00:07:23,080 Speaker 1: is called murder Capital of the US. UM. They are 122 00:07:23,080 --> 00:07:27,400 Speaker 1: often negatively compared to the neighboring town Sunny Veil, which 123 00:07:27,440 --> 00:07:29,560 Speaker 1: is just doing so well. Thanks for asking and is 124 00:07:29,600 --> 00:07:32,960 Speaker 1: often referred to as one of the safest and wealthiest 125 00:07:33,320 --> 00:07:36,040 Speaker 1: places to live in the country. The local legend is 126 00:07:36,080 --> 00:07:39,840 Speaker 1: that a witch executed in sixteen sixty six named Sarah 127 00:07:39,960 --> 00:07:42,800 Speaker 1: here and yes that's f i e Er, is to 128 00:07:42,880 --> 00:07:45,760 Speaker 1: blame for the curse on Shady Side and the resulting 129 00:07:45,880 --> 00:07:50,600 Speaker 1: murders that have happened there. Teenager Dina does not believe 130 00:07:50,640 --> 00:07:53,200 Speaker 1: in the legend and just sort of thinks Shady Side sucks, 131 00:07:53,240 --> 00:07:57,600 Speaker 1: like it's just a bad place to be. She recently 132 00:07:57,600 --> 00:08:00,320 Speaker 1: broke up with her girlfriend Sam, who is now dating 133 00:08:00,320 --> 00:08:03,400 Speaker 1: a boy from Sunny Vale. Her brother Josh, meanwhile, not 134 00:08:03,480 --> 00:08:05,960 Speaker 1: only believes the legend but spends a lot of time 135 00:08:06,040 --> 00:08:09,480 Speaker 1: online researching it. Dina's friends Simon and Kate are trying 136 00:08:09,520 --> 00:08:11,720 Speaker 1: to raise enough money to get out of Shady Side 137 00:08:11,840 --> 00:08:15,200 Speaker 1: by selling drugs. Yeah, and then a fight breaks out 138 00:08:15,240 --> 00:08:18,960 Speaker 1: between Shady Ciders and Sunny Veilers out of visual for 139 00:08:18,960 --> 00:08:22,160 Speaker 1: the victims of the murder. Obviously, this happens a lot. 140 00:08:22,560 --> 00:08:26,080 Speaker 1: Sam's boyfriend Peter telgates a bus a full of Shady 141 00:08:26,080 --> 00:08:28,920 Speaker 1: Ciders and Dina, angry as Sam for the breakup at 142 00:08:28,920 --> 00:08:31,240 Speaker 1: the fact that she is a Sunny Vealer now prepared 143 00:08:31,280 --> 00:08:33,280 Speaker 1: to throw a cooler out the back of the bus 144 00:08:33,960 --> 00:08:37,400 Speaker 1: at the car, but gets a nosebleed and stops uh 145 00:08:37,440 --> 00:08:40,160 Speaker 1: And though the cooler still falls out and hits the car, 146 00:08:41,559 --> 00:08:44,199 Speaker 1: our car crashes and Sam sees a vision of Sarah 147 00:08:44,200 --> 00:08:48,080 Speaker 1: Fear before she's hospitalized. After seeing a handful of creepy 148 00:08:48,080 --> 00:08:50,760 Speaker 1: figures that night, Dina and the gang start to suspect 149 00:08:50,760 --> 00:08:54,800 Speaker 1: that they're being stalked by sunny valors, Peter specifically because 150 00:08:54,800 --> 00:08:57,800 Speaker 1: he's a dick. They go to confront him at the hospital, 151 00:08:57,840 --> 00:09:01,080 Speaker 1: but one of the stalkers kills Peter oh No and 152 00:09:01,120 --> 00:09:03,800 Speaker 1: several others at the hospital, and it is gruesome. They 153 00:09:03,880 --> 00:09:06,760 Speaker 1: managed to unmask him. It turns out it's Ryan the 154 00:09:06,880 --> 00:09:10,120 Speaker 1: Dead Ryan Uh. Samondna try to tell the police what's 155 00:09:10,160 --> 00:09:12,880 Speaker 1: going on, but with no success, and Simon is attacked 156 00:09:12,880 --> 00:09:15,839 Speaker 1: by Ruby Lane, who went on a murdering spree in 157 00:09:15,880 --> 00:09:20,120 Speaker 1: the Shady Side in nineteen sixtive. Also Dead, Also Dead. Yes, 158 00:09:20,200 --> 00:09:21,880 Speaker 1: this is when you have one of my favorite scenes 159 00:09:21,920 --> 00:09:24,440 Speaker 1: in the movie where it's like the kind of research 160 00:09:24,559 --> 00:09:28,839 Speaker 1: montage and Josh is like ruby Lane six, like he's 161 00:09:29,120 --> 00:09:33,680 Speaker 1: done all these articles. I love those scenes in Horror movies. 162 00:09:34,320 --> 00:09:38,640 Speaker 1: The crew realizes that Sam's car crash disturbed Sarah Fear's 163 00:09:38,760 --> 00:09:42,600 Speaker 1: bones and that Sam, bleeding on them, somehow resurrected several 164 00:09:42,600 --> 00:09:45,840 Speaker 1: of Shady Side's previous killers. Um. They tried to put 165 00:09:45,920 --> 00:09:48,720 Speaker 1: her spirit to rest by giving her by giving her 166 00:09:48,760 --> 00:09:53,240 Speaker 1: a proper burial, but the Camp night Wing killer, who's 167 00:09:53,320 --> 00:09:56,680 Speaker 1: killer from ninety eight in Shady Side, attacks him before 168 00:09:56,679 --> 00:10:00,080 Speaker 1: they can't succeed. They also realized that these killers are 169 00:10:00,120 --> 00:10:03,360 Speaker 1: only after Sam and that her blood attracts them, so 170 00:10:03,400 --> 00:10:05,880 Speaker 1: they try to trick the killers and burn them using 171 00:10:05,920 --> 00:10:08,839 Speaker 1: Sam's blood, but burning them doesn't stop them to kind 172 00:10:08,840 --> 00:10:15,040 Speaker 1: of just resurrect. Despite Dina's protest, the group, including Sam, 173 00:10:15,440 --> 00:10:18,800 Speaker 1: decides that Sam has to be sacrificed, but they changed 174 00:10:18,840 --> 00:10:22,000 Speaker 1: their minds when they learned that see Burman, the Camp 175 00:10:22,120 --> 00:10:27,559 Speaker 1: Nightwing survivor, died and was resuscitated, so they then try 176 00:10:27,679 --> 00:10:31,200 Speaker 1: to contact see Burman but are unable to reach her, 177 00:10:31,320 --> 00:10:34,240 Speaker 1: so they come up with a plan to use drugs 178 00:10:34,240 --> 00:10:39,800 Speaker 1: to temporarily kill Sam and then bring her back to life. Josh, Simon, 179 00:10:39,840 --> 00:10:42,240 Speaker 1: and Kate try to keep the killers at bay, but 180 00:10:42,320 --> 00:10:45,680 Speaker 1: Simon and Kate are killed in the process, with Sam's permission, 181 00:10:45,720 --> 00:10:49,680 Speaker 1: Dina drowned Sam, causing the killers to vanish, and then 182 00:10:49,800 --> 00:10:52,959 Speaker 1: revives her and then the police of course, pinning the 183 00:10:53,040 --> 00:10:56,240 Speaker 1: blame on the Simon and Kate since they sold drugs 184 00:10:56,400 --> 00:11:00,680 Speaker 1: those bad kids. The Surviving Crew pushes back on that story. 185 00:11:00,920 --> 00:11:03,840 Speaker 1: Sam and Dina make up and come out publicly as 186 00:11:03,880 --> 00:11:06,280 Speaker 1: a couple, which was a big part of why they 187 00:11:06,320 --> 00:11:08,960 Speaker 1: broke up. Uh, seems like everything is going to be 188 00:11:09,080 --> 00:11:13,079 Speaker 1: just fine until Dina gets a call from see Burman 189 00:11:13,160 --> 00:11:17,040 Speaker 1: telling her there's no escape from the witch. Sam, now possessed, 190 00:11:17,120 --> 00:11:20,679 Speaker 1: attacks Na until Dina manages to subdue her and tie 191 00:11:20,760 --> 00:11:23,480 Speaker 1: her up with the phone court I believe, right, yeah, 192 00:11:23,559 --> 00:11:26,960 Speaker 1: with you know our old landline phones that we used 193 00:11:27,000 --> 00:11:29,959 Speaker 1: in the nineties. Um. But so yeah, this is how 194 00:11:30,200 --> 00:11:32,240 Speaker 1: the first part is. So you're like, oh my god, 195 00:11:32,280 --> 00:11:47,439 Speaker 1: watch this second one that brings us to part two, 196 00:11:47,960 --> 00:11:52,319 Speaker 1: which is Fear Street nineteen eight. And this this one 197 00:11:52,360 --> 00:11:56,720 Speaker 1: focuses on the massacre at Camp night Wing in Dina 198 00:11:56,720 --> 00:11:59,760 Speaker 1: and Josh with a restrained Sam, find See Burman and 199 00:12:00,000 --> 00:12:03,720 Speaker 1: asked her to tell them what happened there, and she 200 00:12:03,840 --> 00:12:07,520 Speaker 1: reluctantly agrees. And it's sort of the rest of the 201 00:12:07,679 --> 00:12:10,000 Speaker 1: Most of the rest of the film cuts to flashback 202 00:12:10,360 --> 00:12:13,839 Speaker 1: of the story. So, after being accused of stealing by 203 00:12:13,840 --> 00:12:18,839 Speaker 1: Sunny Veilors at Camp Nightwing, Shady Cider and outcast Ziggy 204 00:12:18,960 --> 00:12:23,120 Speaker 1: Berman is accused of witchcraft. The Sunny Veilors hanger up 205 00:12:23,120 --> 00:12:26,480 Speaker 1: at a tree and burn her arm before some camp counselors, 206 00:12:26,760 --> 00:12:32,680 Speaker 1: one of them Nick Good, intervened. Meanwhile, her sister Cindy, 207 00:12:32,920 --> 00:12:36,199 Speaker 1: who was determined that if she is close to perfect 208 00:12:36,760 --> 00:12:40,280 Speaker 1: as she can get, she can escape shady size reputation, 209 00:12:41,800 --> 00:12:48,199 Speaker 1: and Cindy's boyfriend Tommy by Nurse Lane. What um Ruby 210 00:12:48,280 --> 00:12:51,840 Speaker 1: Lane's mother one of these only allies. Very kind, kind 211 00:12:51,840 --> 00:12:54,800 Speaker 1: of odd, as they put it. The police take Nurse 212 00:12:54,920 --> 00:12:57,959 Speaker 1: Lane into custody and a sunny bailer's blame the curse 213 00:12:58,040 --> 00:13:00,760 Speaker 1: of believing that the witch possessed. Nurse Lane and her 214 00:13:00,840 --> 00:13:03,880 Speaker 1: daughter Cindy and Tommy check out the infirmary and run 215 00:13:03,880 --> 00:13:06,200 Speaker 1: into a former friend of Cindy's named Alice and her 216 00:13:06,240 --> 00:13:10,440 Speaker 1: boyfriend Arnie. Uh. I believe it is Alice the one 217 00:13:10,720 --> 00:13:14,400 Speaker 1: have you ever seen? Dr Sleep? I have? Is that 218 00:13:14,600 --> 00:13:17,719 Speaker 1: her in there? I can't remember, but I will tell you. 219 00:13:17,800 --> 00:13:19,400 Speaker 1: When I was watching it yesterday I was like, Oh, 220 00:13:19,440 --> 00:13:22,160 Speaker 1: I've seen her and something before I took her anyway, 221 00:13:22,200 --> 00:13:26,720 Speaker 1: keep going, which would put her in two big horror 222 00:13:26,760 --> 00:13:31,040 Speaker 1: franchises with big author names. That's interesting. Um. They find 223 00:13:31,080 --> 00:13:33,880 Speaker 1: a map to Sarah Fear's house and Nurse Lane's diary 224 00:13:34,040 --> 00:13:36,400 Speaker 1: where she claims that Sarah Fear made a deal with 225 00:13:36,440 --> 00:13:40,160 Speaker 1: the Devil for eternal life by cutting off her hand 226 00:13:40,280 --> 00:13:45,200 Speaker 1: on Satan's stone. Uh. They investigate the house and discover 227 00:13:45,400 --> 00:13:48,520 Speaker 1: empty graves dug by Nurse Lane and a witchest mark. 228 00:13:48,679 --> 00:13:52,000 Speaker 1: Under the house, Alice and Cindy find a wall engraved 229 00:13:52,120 --> 00:13:54,520 Speaker 1: or the names of all the past Shady Side killers 230 00:13:54,640 --> 00:13:59,160 Speaker 1: and Tommy's name, and then it possessed. Tommy kills Arnie 231 00:13:59,240 --> 00:14:01,520 Speaker 1: and attempts to Cindy and Alice, but they are able 232 00:14:01,559 --> 00:14:04,040 Speaker 1: to lose him. In the caves under the house, they 233 00:14:04,080 --> 00:14:06,960 Speaker 1: find a pile of organs that seemed to be alive. 234 00:14:07,080 --> 00:14:10,439 Speaker 1: It is really grows and grotesque, and after Alice touches them, 235 00:14:10,559 --> 00:14:14,199 Speaker 1: she sees visions of past killers and victims. Alice harsel 236 00:14:14,240 --> 00:14:16,880 Speaker 1: legan and she and Cindy makeup and worked together to 237 00:14:16,920 --> 00:14:22,080 Speaker 1: find a potential exit under the camp's outhouse. Yes, and 238 00:14:22,120 --> 00:14:24,200 Speaker 1: as all of this is going on a Ziggy and 239 00:14:24,280 --> 00:14:26,960 Speaker 1: Nick play a prank on the Sunny Vailers, who accused 240 00:14:27,000 --> 00:14:30,160 Speaker 1: Diggy of witchcraft in the beginning, and the two grow 241 00:14:30,200 --> 00:14:36,040 Speaker 1: closer and eventually kiss. Tommy kills several campers and a counselor, 242 00:14:36,800 --> 00:14:39,200 Speaker 1: and Ziggy and another counselor trying to rescue Cindy and 243 00:14:39,200 --> 00:14:42,520 Speaker 1: Alice from the outhouse, but Tommy kills the counselor and 244 00:14:42,520 --> 00:14:45,760 Speaker 1: forces Ziggy to flee. Her and Nick hide from Tommy, 245 00:14:45,800 --> 00:14:48,680 Speaker 1: but they are discovered and Tommy injures Nick. Zicky is 246 00:14:48,720 --> 00:14:52,440 Speaker 1: attacked by Tommy, but Cindy arrives and kills him. And 247 00:14:52,440 --> 00:14:54,560 Speaker 1: this is after Alice was like could you ever kill him? 248 00:14:54,600 --> 00:14:58,160 Speaker 1: And Cindy was like, no, never um. Alice tells the 249 00:14:58,160 --> 00:15:02,360 Speaker 1: group she found the witch's hands buried near Satan's Stone. 250 00:15:02,760 --> 00:15:05,360 Speaker 1: They decide to reunite the witch's hand and her body 251 00:15:05,400 --> 00:15:08,400 Speaker 1: and the hopes that it will end the curse. Ziggy 252 00:15:08,480 --> 00:15:10,200 Speaker 1: gets some blood on the hand and has a vision 253 00:15:10,200 --> 00:15:15,080 Speaker 1: of Sarah Fere which resurrects all of the Shady Side Killers. Tommy, 254 00:15:15,320 --> 00:15:20,920 Speaker 1: now reanimated, kills Alice before Cindy decapitates him. The killers 255 00:15:21,000 --> 00:15:23,320 Speaker 1: chase Ziggy and Cindy to the tree where Sarah Fear 256 00:15:23,440 --> 00:15:27,240 Speaker 1: was hanged, digging around the tree in search of her body. However, 257 00:15:27,320 --> 00:15:29,240 Speaker 1: all they find is a rock that says the Witch 258 00:15:29,280 --> 00:15:33,480 Speaker 1: Forever lives. Cindy sacrifices herself after realizing the killers are 259 00:15:33,520 --> 00:15:38,240 Speaker 1: only after Ziggy, but they are both killed, causing the 260 00:15:38,320 --> 00:15:42,200 Speaker 1: killers to disappear. But Nick arrives and uses CPR to 261 00:15:42,280 --> 00:15:48,520 Speaker 1: revive Ziggy or her real name, Christine Berman. When she 262 00:15:48,640 --> 00:15:51,760 Speaker 1: finishes the story, the teenagers tell her they found the 263 00:15:51,800 --> 00:15:54,960 Speaker 1: body and could end the curse by reuniting the witch 264 00:15:55,000 --> 00:15:57,320 Speaker 1: with her hand. They go to the mall, which was 265 00:15:57,360 --> 00:16:00,440 Speaker 1: built on where Camp night Wing used to be, and 266 00:16:00,520 --> 00:16:03,000 Speaker 1: dug up the hand from the under from the under 267 00:16:03,040 --> 00:16:05,920 Speaker 1: the still standing tree, which seems kind of odd. They 268 00:16:05,960 --> 00:16:08,120 Speaker 1: go back to the body and reunited with the hand, 269 00:16:08,200 --> 00:16:10,320 Speaker 1: causing Dina's knows to bleed and for her to have 270 00:16:10,360 --> 00:16:14,240 Speaker 1: a vision from sixteen sixty six where she is now 271 00:16:15,160 --> 00:16:18,520 Speaker 1: Sarah Fear. Yep, and that's where Part two ins. So 272 00:16:18,560 --> 00:16:23,480 Speaker 1: you're like, oh, well, I guess I gotta continue. Yes, 273 00:16:24,240 --> 00:16:27,480 Speaker 1: So this brings us to part three, which is uh 274 00:16:27,560 --> 00:16:32,240 Speaker 1: sixteen sixty six slash two, but it is set primarily 275 00:16:32,280 --> 00:16:35,320 Speaker 1: in sixteen sixty six. The interesting thing about this is 276 00:16:35,640 --> 00:16:43,000 Speaker 1: the actors are kind of reprising their roles as these 277 00:16:43,080 --> 00:16:46,920 Speaker 1: characters from sixteen sixty six, Like, it's not actually Dina 278 00:16:47,040 --> 00:16:50,440 Speaker 1: and Sarah Fear, but the actress who plays Dina play 279 00:16:50,560 --> 00:16:54,760 Speaker 1: Sarah Fear from her perspective. Yeah, yeah, exactly. Um. Sarah 280 00:16:54,760 --> 00:16:58,080 Speaker 1: lives with her brother and father and Union, the land 281 00:16:58,160 --> 00:17:00,880 Speaker 1: that would later be split into Shady Side and Sunny Vale. 282 00:17:01,240 --> 00:17:04,439 Speaker 1: Sarah and her friends Hannah, which is the same actress 283 00:17:04,440 --> 00:17:08,320 Speaker 1: who plays Sam and Lizzie, meet up with a reclusive 284 00:17:08,320 --> 00:17:11,520 Speaker 1: widow in order to get berries for an upcoming party. 285 00:17:11,560 --> 00:17:14,280 Speaker 1: It's very heavily implied that those berries are psychedelic in 286 00:17:14,440 --> 00:17:17,840 Speaker 1: some nature, and Sarah finds a book of black magic. 287 00:17:18,440 --> 00:17:21,760 Speaker 1: Later at the party, a man named Caleb harasses Sarah 288 00:17:21,760 --> 00:17:24,760 Speaker 1: and Hannah, and they leave thinking they are alone, and 289 00:17:24,760 --> 00:17:27,119 Speaker 1: they have an intimate moment together, but they are witnessed 290 00:17:27,440 --> 00:17:31,879 Speaker 1: by Matt Thomas. The following day, the preacher, who is 291 00:17:32,119 --> 00:17:35,400 Speaker 1: Hannah's father, begins to exhibit strange behavior, and the town 292 00:17:35,480 --> 00:17:39,320 Speaker 1: supplies of food and water are poisoned. Everyone's on edge, 293 00:17:39,400 --> 00:17:42,840 Speaker 1: and Sarah wonders to her friend Solomon good if all 294 00:17:42,880 --> 00:17:46,480 Speaker 1: the bad things happening in the town are her fault. 295 00:17:47,840 --> 00:17:51,679 Speaker 1: So the pastor murders twelve children, which is gruesome by 296 00:17:51,680 --> 00:17:55,440 Speaker 1: the way, including Sarah's brother, and attacks Sarah before Solomon 297 00:17:55,560 --> 00:17:59,640 Speaker 1: kills him. The town has a meeting and concludes witchcraft 298 00:17:59,720 --> 00:18:03,880 Speaker 1: must to blame, and Caleb claims Sarah and Hannah as 299 00:18:03,880 --> 00:18:07,480 Speaker 1: the witches behind the whole thing. No bitterness there uh. 300 00:18:07,520 --> 00:18:11,359 Speaker 1: Sarah manages to escape, but the townspeople capture Hannah and 301 00:18:11,400 --> 00:18:15,800 Speaker 1: plan to execute her in the morning. Um Sarah sneaks 302 00:18:15,840 --> 00:18:18,200 Speaker 1: in to see Hannah and the two firm their love 303 00:18:18,240 --> 00:18:21,160 Speaker 1: for each other. To save Hannah, Sarah goes to Widows 304 00:18:21,160 --> 00:18:23,760 Speaker 1: to the widow's house to retrieve the Book of black Magic. 305 00:18:24,359 --> 00:18:26,080 Speaker 1: She says she's willing to make this deal with it, 306 00:18:26,160 --> 00:18:32,040 Speaker 1: but devil but discovers the widow murdered and the book gone. 307 00:18:32,560 --> 00:18:35,920 Speaker 1: She has the Solomon's house and hides because the towns 308 00:18:35,920 --> 00:18:38,480 Speaker 1: people show up looking for her. There, she finds a 309 00:18:38,520 --> 00:18:41,359 Speaker 1: tunnel under the house that leads to evidence of a 310 00:18:41,520 --> 00:18:46,919 Speaker 1: ritual and the widows book. Dum dumb uh. Solomon confesses 311 00:18:46,960 --> 00:18:50,760 Speaker 1: he stole the book to perform a ritual allowing for 312 00:18:50,800 --> 00:18:54,880 Speaker 1: the pastor to be possessed in exchange for wealth and power, 313 00:18:55,480 --> 00:18:59,840 Speaker 1: which he offers to share with Sarah so nice uh. 314 00:18:59,840 --> 00:19:02,919 Speaker 1: She refuses and he attacks her and she loses her 315 00:19:03,000 --> 00:19:05,879 Speaker 1: hand in the fight. Solomon in the towns people capture 316 00:19:05,920 --> 00:19:09,199 Speaker 1: her in a desperate attempt to save Hannah because he 317 00:19:09,760 --> 00:19:12,680 Speaker 1: Solomon has now said, blamed her and excusing her for 318 00:19:12,720 --> 00:19:16,320 Speaker 1: the being a witch. Sarah declares that she is the witch. 319 00:19:16,840 --> 00:19:20,520 Speaker 1: Um Hannah is spared, and before she dies, Sarah swears 320 00:19:20,640 --> 00:19:24,760 Speaker 1: vengeance on Solomon. Hannah and the others returned later to 321 00:19:24,840 --> 00:19:28,440 Speaker 1: properly bury her body away from the tree. Away from 322 00:19:28,440 --> 00:19:33,879 Speaker 1: the tree, and then we come back to Diana tells 323 00:19:33,920 --> 00:19:36,240 Speaker 1: the others that the Goods are the ones behind the 324 00:19:36,320 --> 00:19:40,480 Speaker 1: Shady Side Curse, the firstborn of every generation, continuing the 325 00:19:40,560 --> 00:19:45,240 Speaker 1: rituals started by Solomon, which is also why Sunny felt prospers. 326 00:19:45,920 --> 00:19:49,320 Speaker 1: Dina and Josh are discovered by Nick Good, but get away. 327 00:19:49,640 --> 00:19:52,800 Speaker 1: They along with Ziggy, decided that they have to kill 328 00:19:52,920 --> 00:19:56,240 Speaker 1: Nick in the curse. They lowered Nick to the mall, 329 00:19:56,680 --> 00:19:59,439 Speaker 1: battle it out with the Shady Side Killers and tricked 330 00:19:59,440 --> 00:20:03,000 Speaker 1: them into acking Nick about marking him with Dina's blood. 331 00:20:03,480 --> 00:20:06,640 Speaker 1: Lots of blood He manages to escape into the tunnels, 332 00:20:06,680 --> 00:20:10,800 Speaker 1: but Dina and still possesses Siam, pursue him. Sam attacks 333 00:20:10,840 --> 00:20:14,120 Speaker 1: Dina but snaps enough out of the possession for Dina 334 00:20:14,200 --> 00:20:17,840 Speaker 1: to get away. She confronts Nick and they fight. Nick 335 00:20:17,960 --> 00:20:20,439 Speaker 1: almost kills Dina, but she forces him to touch the 336 00:20:20,480 --> 00:20:23,199 Speaker 1: beating organs, causing him to see the visions of the 337 00:20:23,280 --> 00:20:27,040 Speaker 1: victims of the killers, allowing for Dina to kill him, 338 00:20:27,280 --> 00:20:33,080 Speaker 1: finally breaking the curse. Dina and Sam reunite, Ziggy and 339 00:20:33,160 --> 00:20:37,040 Speaker 1: durs Lane reunite. Josh makes his online friend in person. 340 00:20:37,200 --> 00:20:43,040 Speaker 1: Very cute. The Good Family is exposed. Happy ending or 341 00:20:43,280 --> 00:20:46,880 Speaker 1: is it? There's a post credit scenes show someone taking 342 00:20:47,359 --> 00:20:50,640 Speaker 1: but which is book from the Tunnels, which I still 343 00:20:50,640 --> 00:20:54,800 Speaker 1: confused why they left it down there? Yeah? How are 344 00:20:54,880 --> 00:21:01,280 Speaker 1: going on? I guess they did. Dissy Dubbs apparently rl 345 00:21:01,359 --> 00:21:05,040 Speaker 1: Stein really liked this rendition. He did say that though 346 00:21:05,200 --> 00:21:08,280 Speaker 1: is nothing like his book, it held to the spirit 347 00:21:09,119 --> 00:21:12,040 Speaker 1: of his stories and he really liked the adaptation. That 348 00:21:12,080 --> 00:21:13,639 Speaker 1: makes me happy. I feel like that's one of the 349 00:21:14,920 --> 00:21:16,840 Speaker 1: I know we've been talking about this recently because we've 350 00:21:16,840 --> 00:21:21,000 Speaker 1: gotten to hear some of your passions of books and adaptions. 351 00:21:21,480 --> 00:21:23,479 Speaker 1: I feel like, if it sticks to the spirit of it. 352 00:21:23,560 --> 00:21:25,920 Speaker 1: I'm not generally one of those people that's like put 353 00:21:26,000 --> 00:21:28,720 Speaker 1: in the book, but if you kind of deviate from 354 00:21:28,760 --> 00:21:32,679 Speaker 1: the spirit our characters drastically, that's when I'm like, but 355 00:21:32,800 --> 00:21:35,320 Speaker 1: wait a minute, right, So he was talking about at 356 00:21:35,400 --> 00:21:38,480 Speaker 1: least they kept the characters and they understood the curses 357 00:21:38,560 --> 00:21:42,040 Speaker 1: of that what's happening. So he appreciated it. He appreciated 358 00:21:42,040 --> 00:21:44,960 Speaker 1: the storytelling and the flips, So you know, that's great. 359 00:21:45,119 --> 00:21:47,320 Speaker 1: Apparently he's still writing. Did you know that? I did 360 00:21:47,359 --> 00:21:52,160 Speaker 1: not know that it's Goose Bump series. He's still doing them. 361 00:21:52,200 --> 00:21:55,919 Speaker 1: I should check it out. I'm legitimately a little nervous, 362 00:21:58,160 --> 00:22:03,840 Speaker 1: and I think, Um, for anyone who isn't who hasn't 363 00:22:03,880 --> 00:22:08,359 Speaker 1: seen these, hasn't read them, Uh, they're kind of tricky 364 00:22:08,400 --> 00:22:11,000 Speaker 1: to explain. So I hope we did a decent job. 365 00:22:11,960 --> 00:22:13,960 Speaker 1: But there's just a lot going on. It makes sense 366 00:22:14,000 --> 00:22:16,199 Speaker 1: we're watching them, I promise, But like, if you like 367 00:22:16,560 --> 00:22:20,520 Speaker 1: campy series with little twists and turns, um, and if 368 00:22:20,520 --> 00:22:25,640 Speaker 1: you've already listened to it, you've gotten spoiled completely. So sorry, um, 369 00:22:25,680 --> 00:22:31,480 Speaker 1: but that's on you. We told you. But it is. 370 00:22:31,520 --> 00:22:33,760 Speaker 1: It's fun it's a fun little and for me who 371 00:22:33,840 --> 00:22:37,959 Speaker 1: hates glory movies slasher films, I actually enjoyed it. Of 372 00:22:38,000 --> 00:22:40,280 Speaker 1: course the second time around with more enjoyable because I 373 00:22:40,320 --> 00:22:41,960 Speaker 1: knew what it was to come, so I would slose 374 00:22:42,040 --> 00:22:46,240 Speaker 1: my eyes or like ignore the scene where it's completely deadly, 375 00:22:46,520 --> 00:22:49,040 Speaker 1: but it's so over the top that it didn't m 376 00:22:50,000 --> 00:22:53,679 Speaker 1: It was silly almost. Yeah. I think one of the 377 00:22:53,800 --> 00:23:00,320 Speaker 1: things that struck me about these movies a cool things 378 00:23:00,320 --> 00:23:02,080 Speaker 1: which we're going to talk about in the themes in 379 00:23:02,119 --> 00:23:06,080 Speaker 1: the second, But I don't know, I knew what was 380 00:23:06,080 --> 00:23:09,320 Speaker 1: going to happen because I feel like I read I 381 00:23:09,359 --> 00:23:12,399 Speaker 1: was looking up you know, best horror movies whatever, and 382 00:23:12,440 --> 00:23:15,800 Speaker 1: everybody spoiled me on like the bread maker scene and 383 00:23:15,920 --> 00:23:18,760 Speaker 1: the bread slicer scene. If you've seen it, you know 384 00:23:18,800 --> 00:23:21,480 Speaker 1: what I'm talking about. But it was just so sad 385 00:23:21,520 --> 00:23:24,359 Speaker 1: because I liked everybody, like they did a good job 386 00:23:24,400 --> 00:23:31,440 Speaker 1: of making everybody very sympathetic, um almost everybody, and that 387 00:23:31,440 --> 00:23:35,480 Speaker 1: you well, even Nick until the end, like he seems 388 00:23:35,520 --> 00:23:39,400 Speaker 1: like a cool guy ish yeah yeah, which I think 389 00:23:39,400 --> 00:23:41,840 Speaker 1: that's the hallmark of a really good movie, is that 390 00:23:42,200 --> 00:23:46,760 Speaker 1: it I was legitimately bummed, like bomb just sound so tripe, 391 00:23:46,760 --> 00:23:50,040 Speaker 1: but I was. I was like, oh, and then just 392 00:23:50,160 --> 00:23:55,840 Speaker 1: hearing the narrative around Shady Side and Shady Ciders, was like, oh, well, 393 00:23:55,880 --> 00:23:57,520 Speaker 1: they bought it. They were selling drugs. It was at 394 00:23:57,520 --> 00:24:02,000 Speaker 1: their fault. Um was very upsetting, and I think that 395 00:24:02,000 --> 00:24:05,159 Speaker 1: that's it's a mark again that they did a good 396 00:24:05,240 --> 00:24:09,040 Speaker 1: job of making you care about these characters. One of 397 00:24:09,040 --> 00:24:12,080 Speaker 1: the biggest choice for me was they did they did 398 00:24:12,119 --> 00:24:15,959 Speaker 1: an excellent little trickery in the second one where you 399 00:24:16,000 --> 00:24:21,240 Speaker 1: think see Berman is Cindy the whole time because Gillian 400 00:24:21,320 --> 00:24:24,840 Speaker 1: Jacob's hair is brown when you see her, and Cindy's 401 00:24:24,840 --> 00:24:28,680 Speaker 1: hair is brown, and Sadie Sink as Ziggie Berman, her 402 00:24:28,720 --> 00:24:30,879 Speaker 1: hair is red, and so that was one of the 403 00:24:30,920 --> 00:24:38,679 Speaker 1: biggest Like, but yeah, let's let's get into some of 404 00:24:38,720 --> 00:24:41,720 Speaker 1: the themes. I think one of the big ones it 405 00:24:41,760 --> 00:24:43,600 Speaker 1: makes me sad that this is still something that I'm like, 406 00:24:43,640 --> 00:24:47,320 Speaker 1: oh wow. But the fact that they centered the relationship 407 00:24:47,400 --> 00:24:51,800 Speaker 1: between Dina and Sam, which is a gay relationship, so 408 00:24:51,880 --> 00:24:56,439 Speaker 1: much surprised to me. And I think one of the 409 00:24:56,600 --> 00:24:59,920 Speaker 1: scenes that sticks out to me the most is when 410 00:25:00,040 --> 00:25:02,560 Speaker 1: and I think it's in the second one, when Dina 411 00:25:02,680 --> 00:25:08,840 Speaker 1: is talking to Ziggy and says like, but I love 412 00:25:08,880 --> 00:25:11,600 Speaker 1: her like just simply It's like I love her like 413 00:25:11,640 --> 00:25:13,879 Speaker 1: I can't just abandon her. I love her right, And 414 00:25:14,240 --> 00:25:16,960 Speaker 1: it was pretty I thought it was pretty well done. 415 00:25:17,000 --> 00:25:20,840 Speaker 1: And to see it play out as the centerpiece of 416 00:25:20,880 --> 00:25:25,159 Speaker 1: this along with you know, you're supporting very very supportive 417 00:25:25,240 --> 00:25:29,399 Speaker 1: friendships and stuff, it was nice. And to see it 418 00:25:29,400 --> 00:25:34,320 Speaker 1: go all the way back to sixteen sixty six sort 419 00:25:34,359 --> 00:25:38,040 Speaker 1: of love story through the ages, love story to the ages. Yes. 420 00:25:39,840 --> 00:25:43,840 Speaker 1: So one of the reasons, as we mentioned that Dina 421 00:25:43,880 --> 00:25:49,560 Speaker 1: and Sam broke up, was that Sam was closeted, like 422 00:25:49,640 --> 00:25:53,239 Speaker 1: she wasn't open about her sexuality in the beginning of 423 00:25:53,280 --> 00:25:56,800 Speaker 1: part one, uh, and she kind of comes out publicly 424 00:25:56,920 --> 00:26:02,400 Speaker 1: at the end of part one. So to see their 425 00:26:02,560 --> 00:26:07,280 Speaker 1: their their relationship and the struggles of that um and 426 00:26:07,320 --> 00:26:10,919 Speaker 1: all these things that they're dealing with, I don't know, 427 00:26:11,000 --> 00:26:16,399 Speaker 1: I just found it pretty pretty refreshing. It didn't feel 428 00:26:16,440 --> 00:26:20,880 Speaker 1: like they were baiting you or anything. It just felt like, oh, 429 00:26:21,520 --> 00:26:24,680 Speaker 1: these characters are in love, and it felt very they're 430 00:26:24,720 --> 00:26:29,440 Speaker 1: just in a relationship and they're fighting in exactly. Of course, 431 00:26:29,480 --> 00:26:31,119 Speaker 1: they do kind of do the twist of like you 432 00:26:31,160 --> 00:26:33,520 Speaker 1: think that they're mad about them being with the boy, 433 00:26:33,640 --> 00:26:36,119 Speaker 1: and that they're like at the very beginning they do 434 00:26:36,200 --> 00:26:38,359 Speaker 1: kind of try to do that to throw you off, 435 00:26:38,600 --> 00:26:41,320 Speaker 1: but it doesn't feel like this is not from a 436 00:26:41,359 --> 00:26:44,919 Speaker 1: male gaze, no, And like if you go back to 437 00:26:46,680 --> 00:26:49,280 Speaker 1: the sixteen sixty six, but even in the present day, 438 00:26:49,320 --> 00:26:51,000 Speaker 1: because they I think they were very clever and the 439 00:26:51,040 --> 00:26:56,520 Speaker 1: actors they cast and who, like who did Simon play 440 00:26:56,520 --> 00:27:01,720 Speaker 1: in nineteen and sixteen sixty six, that you have these 441 00:27:02,040 --> 00:27:08,080 Speaker 1: scenes of Hannah and Sarah slash Dina and Sam kind 442 00:27:08,080 --> 00:27:11,560 Speaker 1: of pissing off these men, men who were getting angry 443 00:27:11,600 --> 00:27:15,560 Speaker 1: at being rejected that they're not of interest to these women, 444 00:27:15,640 --> 00:27:19,400 Speaker 1: and that sort of being the whole thing are part 445 00:27:19,440 --> 00:27:21,960 Speaker 1: of the whole thing that led to them being accused 446 00:27:22,000 --> 00:27:25,800 Speaker 1: of witchcraft was just these men were mad that they 447 00:27:25,880 --> 00:27:30,399 Speaker 1: got rejected. And then there was the whole scene of 448 00:27:32,560 --> 00:27:36,160 Speaker 1: when they were checking it was women primarily checking women 449 00:27:36,200 --> 00:27:39,119 Speaker 1: for marks in sixteen sixty six, it was just like 450 00:27:39,160 --> 00:27:41,359 Speaker 1: so humiliating, like they were taking off their clothes and 451 00:27:41,400 --> 00:27:44,880 Speaker 1: looking for marks on them. Um, these ways of asserting 452 00:27:44,920 --> 00:27:51,399 Speaker 1: dominance of power, of humiliating these women when they felt 453 00:27:51,440 --> 00:27:58,840 Speaker 1: so angry that they had been rejected by these women. Um, 454 00:27:58,880 --> 00:28:01,399 Speaker 1: and then on top of that, we talked about this 455 00:28:01,440 --> 00:28:04,520 Speaker 1: before too, just the like men trying to keep power 456 00:28:05,880 --> 00:28:09,840 Speaker 1: was throughout and all of this with the Good Family. 457 00:28:10,960 --> 00:28:14,600 Speaker 1: But also yeah, certainly in in sixteen sixty six where 458 00:28:14,680 --> 00:28:18,720 Speaker 1: they anybody who's messing with the patriarchy and how that 459 00:28:19,520 --> 00:28:23,600 Speaker 1: is assumed it must be is a witch or an 460 00:28:23,640 --> 00:28:27,879 Speaker 1: outsider or something bad, and therefore we can blame everything 461 00:28:27,880 --> 00:28:31,359 Speaker 1: on them, and we can kill them, we can hang them, 462 00:28:31,440 --> 00:28:34,000 Speaker 1: and things will be better. I think I appreciate that 463 00:28:34,080 --> 00:28:38,880 Speaker 1: a depiction of witchcraft in meaning like, hey, it wasn't 464 00:28:38,920 --> 00:28:41,800 Speaker 1: these women, and they just use witchcraft as a way 465 00:28:41,800 --> 00:28:45,959 Speaker 1: of like getting rid of problematic what they see as 466 00:28:45,960 --> 00:28:51,600 Speaker 1: a women with who don't abide by normal standards. And 467 00:28:51,680 --> 00:28:53,440 Speaker 1: so I thought that was interesting too, and I like 468 00:28:53,600 --> 00:28:56,880 Speaker 1: that they twisted it like that. Yeah, I thought that 469 00:28:57,000 --> 00:28:59,600 Speaker 1: was a really good tape because we've talked about that before. 470 00:28:59,640 --> 00:29:01,160 Speaker 1: We talked about that in The Bitch, where at the 471 00:29:01,280 --> 00:29:05,840 Speaker 1: end she becomes a witch because that's the only opportunity 472 00:29:06,360 --> 00:29:08,880 Speaker 1: an available left to her, like that's the only thing, 473 00:29:09,240 --> 00:29:11,040 Speaker 1: And it was similar in this, like Sarah was so 474 00:29:11,080 --> 00:29:15,600 Speaker 1: desperate to say Hannah that she was willing to, you know, 475 00:29:15,640 --> 00:29:19,280 Speaker 1: make this pact and and engage in dark magic, black magic, 476 00:29:19,320 --> 00:29:21,600 Speaker 1: but that was like the last path left to her 477 00:29:22,160 --> 00:29:25,280 Speaker 1: after they'd been accused and no one would believe them 478 00:29:26,040 --> 00:29:29,000 Speaker 1: that it wasn't them. And then and the very end 479 00:29:29,120 --> 00:29:32,120 Speaker 1: before she's hanged, when she she's like, oh, yeah, I'm 480 00:29:32,120 --> 00:29:35,320 Speaker 1: the witch. I'm the witch. She did that to save 481 00:29:35,600 --> 00:29:38,240 Speaker 1: the person she loved, so they kind of pushed her 482 00:29:38,280 --> 00:29:41,160 Speaker 1: into this path. Meanwhile, it's a man the whole time 483 00:29:41,600 --> 00:29:48,760 Speaker 1: doing that actual witchcraft. Yeah, and uh, then you see 484 00:29:48,800 --> 00:29:54,719 Speaker 1: the town blaming this wish, blaming Sarah Fear for everything 485 00:29:54,760 --> 00:29:57,400 Speaker 1: bad that's ever happened to them. So it was nice 486 00:29:57,400 --> 00:30:00,240 Speaker 1: to see, like the discovery of O it wasn't her. 487 00:30:00,680 --> 00:30:04,040 Speaker 1: You're right, she was trying to protect everyone by letting 488 00:30:04,080 --> 00:30:06,320 Speaker 1: aybody know what was happening, which does a plot to 489 00:30:06,400 --> 00:30:11,400 Speaker 1: us that happens a lot. Yeah, that's true, that's true, 490 00:30:12,200 --> 00:30:15,080 Speaker 1: and just sort of the like biases we have or 491 00:30:15,240 --> 00:30:19,080 Speaker 1: you know, you kind of the reason Nick Good's name 492 00:30:19,400 --> 00:30:21,720 Speaker 1: I said his name is because his whole name is 493 00:30:21,760 --> 00:30:23,960 Speaker 1: because they have the whole like good is evil thing 494 00:30:23,960 --> 00:30:27,640 Speaker 1: at the end and then Fear Yeah, yeah, exactly, and 495 00:30:27,720 --> 00:30:31,000 Speaker 1: her name is fear and just sort of those things 496 00:30:31,000 --> 00:30:33,240 Speaker 1: where we go in believing, oh she was a woman, 497 00:30:33,280 --> 00:30:35,400 Speaker 1: she was at which it must have been her, or 498 00:30:36,040 --> 00:30:39,760 Speaker 1: you know, he's an upstanding citizen, his name is good. 499 00:30:40,000 --> 00:30:43,480 Speaker 1: Can't be him, can't be him? So to see you 500 00:30:43,520 --> 00:31:00,320 Speaker 1: that flip is pretty rewarding. And then, as we've talked 501 00:31:00,320 --> 00:31:05,120 Speaker 1: about before, there's also the theme of persecution throughout of 502 00:31:05,240 --> 00:31:10,680 Speaker 1: Witches of Queerness, any outsiders, because shadysiders are basically seen 503 00:31:10,760 --> 00:31:16,120 Speaker 1: as outsiders. M that's how the town is painted and 504 00:31:16,120 --> 00:31:19,040 Speaker 1: and the way people talk about them is very like, 505 00:31:19,280 --> 00:31:23,080 Speaker 1: very expendable. They brought it on themselves. Um, they can't 506 00:31:23,160 --> 00:31:26,760 Speaker 1: just conform and so it's their fault whatever is happening 507 00:31:26,800 --> 00:31:29,840 Speaker 1: to them. That's why the witch is coming for them. 508 00:31:29,880 --> 00:31:35,160 Speaker 1: There's a lot of stuff around trauma in these Yes, 509 00:31:36,400 --> 00:31:40,720 Speaker 1: uh there's religious trauma. I think I picked up on 510 00:31:40,880 --> 00:31:47,960 Speaker 1: last time I was watching it. We have upcoming episodes 511 00:31:48,000 --> 00:31:52,400 Speaker 1: on this listener, so it is quite a doozy. But 512 00:31:52,560 --> 00:31:58,240 Speaker 1: just this in sixteen sixty six where they everybody felt 513 00:31:58,280 --> 00:32:01,240 Speaker 1: like they couldn't be themselves and if they were truth 514 00:32:01,280 --> 00:32:05,880 Speaker 1: of themselves, you'd be persecuted. And then it was this 515 00:32:05,960 --> 00:32:07,760 Speaker 1: thing that you felt like you had to punish yourself 516 00:32:07,760 --> 00:32:11,440 Speaker 1: for like, if I just punish myself or if I 517 00:32:11,440 --> 00:32:15,880 Speaker 1: feel guilty enough, maybe I won't be queer anymore, maybe 518 00:32:15,920 --> 00:32:19,239 Speaker 1: I won't sind in heavy quotes anymore. Based on this 519 00:32:19,320 --> 00:32:22,680 Speaker 1: religion that they were all steeped in, that they all 520 00:32:22,720 --> 00:32:28,920 Speaker 1: believed in, there is certainly the whole dismissing women and youth. 521 00:32:28,960 --> 00:32:30,560 Speaker 1: I would say, I don't think we talked about that 522 00:32:30,680 --> 00:32:34,560 Speaker 1: enough either. That It's very like, oh, you young people. 523 00:32:36,480 --> 00:32:38,760 Speaker 1: I love how they made this nurse Lane, who was 524 00:32:39,160 --> 00:32:42,600 Speaker 1: probably younger than me or my age, looks so decrepit 525 00:32:42,920 --> 00:32:52,000 Speaker 1: from jump from right. Yeah. Um. But there's a scene 526 00:32:52,000 --> 00:32:56,240 Speaker 1: in in part one where Sam and Dina go to 527 00:32:56,280 --> 00:33:00,440 Speaker 1: the police, and obviously Nick Good would when you know 528 00:33:00,520 --> 00:33:03,080 Speaker 1: how the ending goes, he had an alterior motive. But 529 00:33:03,120 --> 00:33:06,760 Speaker 1: they were very dismissive. It was quite kind of an 530 00:33:06,840 --> 00:33:11,040 Speaker 1: unbelievable story. But still they were very very dismissive. And 531 00:33:11,160 --> 00:33:14,840 Speaker 1: one of the cops says to them, go find your boyfriends. 532 00:33:14,960 --> 00:33:19,920 Speaker 1: Tell them you need to relax. Yeah yeah, I was like, 533 00:33:19,960 --> 00:33:23,080 Speaker 1: I'm ready to punch this dude. Now tell them you 534 00:33:23,200 --> 00:33:29,960 Speaker 1: need to relax. Gross gross, scratch gross. And then I 535 00:33:30,000 --> 00:33:31,760 Speaker 1: think there's a lot to unpack with the whole shady 536 00:33:31,760 --> 00:33:35,920 Speaker 1: side versus sunny veil thing. Yeah, because there's a lot 537 00:33:36,200 --> 00:33:40,960 Speaker 1: of interesting discussion I think we could have around privilege 538 00:33:41,560 --> 00:33:45,000 Speaker 1: and legacy and this sort of idea of like the 539 00:33:45,160 --> 00:33:48,160 Speaker 1: narrative and you can't escape things that follow you. Things 540 00:33:48,200 --> 00:33:52,000 Speaker 1: follow you. So there's just so much of this feeling 541 00:33:52,080 --> 00:33:54,920 Speaker 1: from people on shady side like oh, it's gonna hang 542 00:33:54,960 --> 00:33:57,680 Speaker 1: onto me forever. I'm never going to be able to 543 00:33:57,880 --> 00:34:00,480 Speaker 1: escape this. And that's also the new heard if they're 544 00:34:00,480 --> 00:34:04,240 Speaker 1: getting fed, is like you can't get out of shady side. 545 00:34:04,240 --> 00:34:07,400 Speaker 1: So you have like Kyton Simon selling drugs to saved 546 00:34:07,440 --> 00:34:10,000 Speaker 1: get out. You have Dina who sort of accepted this 547 00:34:10,080 --> 00:34:14,040 Speaker 1: like doom of of shady side. You have Sam who 548 00:34:14,160 --> 00:34:17,960 Speaker 1: quote got out and is now you know, an outsider 549 00:34:18,040 --> 00:34:21,960 Speaker 1: to them. Just all of these instances where we see 550 00:34:22,000 --> 00:34:29,520 Speaker 1: people feeling like they're trapped in this situation and then 551 00:34:29,560 --> 00:34:34,960 Speaker 1: like you got um Cindy, who it's implied heavily changed 552 00:34:34,960 --> 00:34:39,040 Speaker 1: her personality, like she won't swear, she got a polo, 553 00:34:39,920 --> 00:34:42,640 Speaker 1: she tries to be perfect, she dates this perfect boyfriend 554 00:34:42,719 --> 00:34:45,319 Speaker 1: that is also heavily applied that she didn't really like 555 00:34:45,440 --> 00:34:49,000 Speaker 1: at all, and she did all of that because it's 556 00:34:49,040 --> 00:34:53,479 Speaker 1: like she wanted to escape shady side. But the it's 557 00:34:54,080 --> 00:34:56,239 Speaker 1: it feels like the message then is you can do 558 00:34:56,320 --> 00:34:59,480 Speaker 1: everything right, but the systems in place betray you and 559 00:34:59,600 --> 00:35:05,560 Speaker 1: blame And it's true, like you have the authorities, the 560 00:35:05,560 --> 00:35:10,319 Speaker 1: authority in the town who's essentially sacrificing you so they 561 00:35:10,360 --> 00:35:15,120 Speaker 1: can be rich and wealthy and happy, and you're getting 562 00:35:15,160 --> 00:35:18,759 Speaker 1: blamed for it even if you do everything right right. 563 00:35:19,440 --> 00:35:23,320 Speaker 1: I did find it interesting that, of course good whoever 564 00:35:23,600 --> 00:35:26,120 Speaker 1: they are going after has a connection to someone that 565 00:35:26,160 --> 00:35:28,480 Speaker 1: they care about, so you're like, obviously they're gonna kill them. 566 00:35:28,560 --> 00:35:33,759 Speaker 1: What's wrong with you? Yeah? Like he does the first 567 00:35:33,760 --> 00:35:37,400 Speaker 1: one does the pastor whose daughter is in a relationship. 568 00:35:37,400 --> 00:35:39,000 Speaker 1: Maybe that was out of jealousy. Let's be honest, but 569 00:35:39,040 --> 00:35:40,920 Speaker 1: maybe that was out of jealousy. Actually several of these 570 00:35:40,960 --> 00:35:43,440 Speaker 1: could be out of jealousy, to be fair. But like 571 00:35:43,760 --> 00:35:47,840 Speaker 1: he does the father of the daughter that your your crush. 572 00:35:48,239 --> 00:35:51,000 Speaker 1: I guess the best way to say it, uh is 573 00:35:51,080 --> 00:35:53,680 Speaker 1: linked to or But he getsn't know that. He just 574 00:35:53,680 --> 00:35:55,960 Speaker 1: thinks the best friends. So I'm like, why would you 575 00:35:56,000 --> 00:35:58,880 Speaker 1: do this? Why would you obviously he's going to be 576 00:35:58,920 --> 00:36:03,239 Speaker 1: in that proximity, so she might get killed. What the hell? Man? Yeah, 577 00:36:03,440 --> 00:36:05,040 Speaker 1: I think that's a good point though, that a lot 578 00:36:05,080 --> 00:36:11,600 Speaker 1: of them were either and both not thought through or 579 00:36:11,680 --> 00:36:13,680 Speaker 1: it was out of Chelsea, because I think Solomon did 580 00:36:13,719 --> 00:36:17,799 Speaker 1: have a thing for Sarah, and I think he when 581 00:36:17,920 --> 00:36:20,600 Speaker 1: she kind of spurned his deal of oh, i'll share 582 00:36:20,640 --> 00:36:23,600 Speaker 1: it with you, that's when he said, oh, she's the witch, 583 00:36:23,640 --> 00:36:26,440 Speaker 1: even though he also was scared because she cut out him. 584 00:36:26,480 --> 00:36:30,000 Speaker 1: But like, um, and then no one would believe her 585 00:36:30,239 --> 00:36:32,640 Speaker 1: who's already been accused of being the witch. It's true, 586 00:36:33,000 --> 00:36:35,400 Speaker 1: it's true. I think a lot of it does have 587 00:36:35,480 --> 00:36:43,560 Speaker 1: to do with with jealousy. Um, that was a recurring 588 00:36:43,600 --> 00:36:48,680 Speaker 1: theme of dudes being real mad when women didn't do 589 00:36:48,719 --> 00:36:53,239 Speaker 1: what they wanted them to do. All right, But yeah, 590 00:36:53,239 --> 00:36:56,799 Speaker 1: that's certainly certainly something I picked up on as well. 591 00:36:57,880 --> 00:37:01,640 Speaker 1: And yeah, I do I did want to include we 592 00:37:01,640 --> 00:37:03,520 Speaker 1: we talked about this earlier already, but I did want 593 00:37:03,560 --> 00:37:08,000 Speaker 1: to include the line like when Sarah says, you know, 594 00:37:08,040 --> 00:37:10,160 Speaker 1: they think they're guilty, so we are they want to 595 00:37:10,160 --> 00:37:12,160 Speaker 1: which I'll give them a witch, And that's that same 596 00:37:12,200 --> 00:37:20,160 Speaker 1: idea of we're forcing there's only one way to move 597 00:37:20,200 --> 00:37:24,360 Speaker 1: forward for these women they've been persecuted, is like you 598 00:37:24,520 --> 00:37:28,000 Speaker 1: were making in this In this case, they made the 599 00:37:28,000 --> 00:37:31,440 Speaker 1: witch that they wanted. They made the scapegoat that they wanted, 600 00:37:31,960 --> 00:37:34,279 Speaker 1: which is tell me if I'm wrong. Most of the 601 00:37:34,280 --> 00:37:36,200 Speaker 1: movies that I've saying that are supposed to be historically 602 00:37:36,200 --> 00:37:40,080 Speaker 1: based where the witches are not witches, but they're being blamed. Essentially, 603 00:37:40,160 --> 00:37:42,680 Speaker 1: they're just going to be tortured until they admit their witches. 604 00:37:42,719 --> 00:37:45,160 Speaker 1: So if they say they're not and deny it, they're 605 00:37:45,160 --> 00:37:47,279 Speaker 1: going to be tortured until they say yes, and then 606 00:37:47,280 --> 00:37:49,120 Speaker 1: they'll be put out of their misery essentially in a 607 00:37:49,160 --> 00:37:52,160 Speaker 1: horrible death. So it's kind of like what did you 608 00:37:52,200 --> 00:37:56,279 Speaker 1: want from the Yeah? I mean, and that's one of 609 00:37:56,320 --> 00:38:01,840 Speaker 1: those things about those like Salem with trials where you 610 00:38:01,840 --> 00:38:04,440 Speaker 1: know they throw you in the water. If you float, 611 00:38:04,480 --> 00:38:06,799 Speaker 1: you're a witch, If you drown, you're not a witch. 612 00:38:06,880 --> 00:38:13,440 Speaker 1: But then you're dead. You're dead. So what's better man? Exactly? Uh? 613 00:38:13,440 --> 00:38:15,719 Speaker 1: And then another thing I wanted to touch on in 614 00:38:15,800 --> 00:38:19,040 Speaker 1: these is I did think they showcase a lot of 615 00:38:19,120 --> 00:38:24,040 Speaker 1: really supportive friendships that were refreshing. I love in part 616 00:38:24,120 --> 00:38:28,920 Speaker 1: one when they all decide to stand up and to 617 00:38:29,040 --> 00:38:32,839 Speaker 1: stand with Sam, even though she had recently broken up 618 00:38:32,840 --> 00:38:37,239 Speaker 1: with Dina. They were kind of mad at her, but 619 00:38:37,440 --> 00:38:41,400 Speaker 1: they in the end, especially after she agreed to sacrifice herself, 620 00:38:41,680 --> 00:38:45,680 Speaker 1: UM like, no, we're going to fight with you. I 621 00:38:45,719 --> 00:38:47,799 Speaker 1: just thought that was so nice. I'm so sad that 622 00:38:47,840 --> 00:38:52,640 Speaker 1: they die in UM, but it was just nice to 623 00:38:52,719 --> 00:38:54,840 Speaker 1: see that they all came together and we're like, no 624 00:38:55,000 --> 00:38:57,800 Speaker 1: one of us is in trouble. We're all going to 625 00:38:57,920 --> 00:39:01,480 Speaker 1: fight together to come from the plan. And then they 626 00:39:01,560 --> 00:39:05,960 Speaker 1: die horrible death and the brother gets to hook up 627 00:39:05,960 --> 00:39:08,200 Speaker 1: with a hot girl, which I was like, that was unnecessary, 628 00:39:08,320 --> 00:39:11,520 Speaker 1: but okay whatever, but then she dies and then they 629 00:39:11,560 --> 00:39:14,919 Speaker 1: forget her. Yeah. Well that I couldn't figure out because 630 00:39:15,120 --> 00:39:17,920 Speaker 1: first I was like, so Simon and Kater together and 631 00:39:17,920 --> 00:39:19,560 Speaker 1: I was like, oh, it's so Kate and Josh. But 632 00:39:19,600 --> 00:39:21,799 Speaker 1: then I was like, this is Josh much younger than her. 633 00:39:22,239 --> 00:39:25,040 Speaker 1: I don't know what's going on. I don't know how 634 00:39:25,120 --> 00:39:27,040 Speaker 1: much younger. I think they're still teens. Both of them 635 00:39:27,040 --> 00:39:30,120 Speaker 1: are in teens, so it's not like it's still weird 636 00:39:30,160 --> 00:39:31,840 Speaker 1: because when you think of high school, and I was like, 637 00:39:31,880 --> 00:39:34,279 Speaker 1: I would never as a as a junior, would never 638 00:39:34,320 --> 00:39:35,759 Speaker 1: did a freshman or so, you know what I mean, 639 00:39:35,800 --> 00:39:38,400 Speaker 1: unless it was a girl, a younger girl with an 640 00:39:38,440 --> 00:39:41,760 Speaker 1: older boy. That was okay. It's such a weird complex, weird, 641 00:39:42,520 --> 00:39:45,400 Speaker 1: it's something to unpack in the future episode. That's the 642 00:39:45,440 --> 00:39:51,200 Speaker 1: whole thing. There were there were some threads of betrayal, 643 00:39:51,480 --> 00:39:56,120 Speaker 1: especially if you are talking about men betraying women in 644 00:39:56,160 --> 00:40:00,080 Speaker 1: their lives. Of like Nick Good, I guess, sort of 645 00:40:00,080 --> 00:40:04,880 Speaker 1: being okay that everybody Ziggy cared about died, but you know, 646 00:40:05,560 --> 00:40:09,239 Speaker 1: I was still wanting to be in her life, or 647 00:40:09,360 --> 00:40:13,120 Speaker 1: Solomon Good with a similar thing. I do like that 648 00:40:13,160 --> 00:40:16,120 Speaker 1: there's that threat of multiple generations of women helping each other. 649 00:40:16,160 --> 00:40:20,000 Speaker 1: So even though Ziggy is really hesitant at first, in 650 00:40:20,040 --> 00:40:22,799 Speaker 1: the end she ends up like really leaning in and 651 00:40:22,920 --> 00:40:27,400 Speaker 1: really being there, I'm gonna I'm gonna fight this guy. 652 00:40:27,960 --> 00:40:31,279 Speaker 1: Um and you know, in remembrance of her sister and 653 00:40:31,320 --> 00:40:34,200 Speaker 1: who she lost and of Alice, and well, do I 654 00:40:34,200 --> 00:40:38,600 Speaker 1: think she's also mad because she got tricked? Yeah? Oh yeah, 655 00:40:38,920 --> 00:40:44,560 Speaker 1: like he killed people, he did, and she opened up 656 00:40:44,560 --> 00:40:47,799 Speaker 1: to him, Yes, oh absolutely, But so it was nice 657 00:40:47,800 --> 00:40:51,680 Speaker 1: to see like uh and and honestly, like even Sarah 658 00:40:51,680 --> 00:40:54,800 Speaker 1: fear kind of reaching out over the all this time 659 00:40:55,000 --> 00:40:57,640 Speaker 1: of like I'm still I'm going to get this guy. 660 00:40:57,680 --> 00:40:59,759 Speaker 1: I'm going to get this guys, like I'm gonna show 661 00:41:00,000 --> 00:41:05,600 Speaker 1: everyone everyone, But they just didn't get the messages convoluted. 662 00:41:05,880 --> 00:41:08,560 Speaker 1: It was convoluted. It's very similar to The Grudge in 663 00:41:08,600 --> 00:41:12,320 Speaker 1: that way. Well, yes, well, Jue, maybe not the Grudge, 664 00:41:12,560 --> 00:41:15,560 Speaker 1: but I think you want is the one where she's 665 00:41:15,560 --> 00:41:18,279 Speaker 1: actually trying to warn them that the bad dudes she 666 00:41:18,360 --> 00:41:20,719 Speaker 1: still takes. She takes the one girl in the bed, 667 00:41:20,960 --> 00:41:26,279 Speaker 1: it was her. Well in the Grudge, it's her, it's 668 00:41:26,320 --> 00:41:28,680 Speaker 1: her too, it's her face that you see in the covers. 669 00:41:29,080 --> 00:41:31,120 Speaker 1: I don't remember. I just know she's like the warning 670 00:41:31,160 --> 00:41:34,399 Speaker 1: before the guy comes to kill you. But everybody thought 671 00:41:34,480 --> 00:41:37,360 Speaker 1: she was the warning. Everybody thought she was the actual person. 672 00:41:37,600 --> 00:41:38,960 Speaker 1: So maybe we have to go back and look at 673 00:41:39,000 --> 00:41:42,719 Speaker 1: this because if I remember correctly, in the Asian the 674 00:41:42,800 --> 00:41:46,000 Speaker 1: Japanese version, when she loosened the covers as her as well, 675 00:41:46,040 --> 00:41:48,640 Speaker 1: and then she gets sucked in. So unless they don't 676 00:41:48,719 --> 00:41:51,239 Speaker 1: show that and they just imply it, but that would 677 00:41:51,239 --> 00:41:55,480 Speaker 1: be the same implication in the original American Grudge with 678 00:41:55,680 --> 00:41:59,840 Speaker 1: Sarah Let's show Gatherer. Yes, it's like Jessica Parker like 679 00:42:00,040 --> 00:42:09,359 Speaker 1: does not. I feel like there's several of the like, 680 00:42:09,480 --> 00:42:11,319 Speaker 1: oh my god, we tried to tell you. I mean, 681 00:42:11,360 --> 00:42:15,759 Speaker 1: there's episodes like in Supernatural where they have that where 682 00:42:15,760 --> 00:42:18,400 Speaker 1: are the sisters shining of Warren about the other sister. 683 00:42:18,520 --> 00:42:20,160 Speaker 1: They think it's hard because she's the one that's coming 684 00:42:20,160 --> 00:42:22,799 Speaker 1: out before they burned her body. The same thing with 685 00:42:22,920 --> 00:42:28,719 Speaker 1: the mother trying to keep the the meta episode where 686 00:42:28,760 --> 00:42:32,360 Speaker 1: there's a Supernatural conference and it turns out that the 687 00:42:32,400 --> 00:42:34,840 Speaker 1: mother was trying to keep the children at bay and 688 00:42:34,920 --> 00:42:37,120 Speaker 1: she killed them because he killed the look they had 689 00:42:37,160 --> 00:42:39,399 Speaker 1: killed her son, and you don't know that until after 690 00:42:39,520 --> 00:42:43,200 Speaker 1: the fact. Yeah. Yeah, I mean that's a it's a 691 00:42:43,239 --> 00:42:45,120 Speaker 1: pretty common theme, and they think a lot of it 692 00:42:45,200 --> 00:42:47,919 Speaker 1: does rely on, as we said earlier, that sort of 693 00:42:49,239 --> 00:42:53,400 Speaker 1: knee jerk. Oh she's the witch, so it's her like, 694 00:42:53,480 --> 00:42:55,800 Speaker 1: we don't get the benefit of the doubt, We don't 695 00:42:56,120 --> 00:42:59,640 Speaker 1: question any further, we don't investigate any further. Um. So 696 00:42:59,719 --> 00:43:01,960 Speaker 1: it was nice to see in this that they were like, 697 00:43:01,960 --> 00:43:05,280 Speaker 1: wait a minute, we should look into this a bit more. 698 00:43:06,400 --> 00:43:08,520 Speaker 1: She didn't main to She just ended up touching her 699 00:43:09,000 --> 00:43:15,759 Speaker 1: exactly exactly. And then I did. I did like the 700 00:43:16,160 --> 00:43:21,680 Speaker 1: sisterhood between Ziggy and Cindy because they were very different 701 00:43:21,680 --> 00:43:26,399 Speaker 1: people and their relationship was complex, but I liked that 702 00:43:26,440 --> 00:43:30,239 Speaker 1: in the end Cindy was like, it's I am here 703 00:43:30,280 --> 00:43:33,920 Speaker 1: for you. You are the person that I want to be, 704 00:43:35,000 --> 00:43:38,040 Speaker 1: I want to be with and um and then seeing 705 00:43:38,080 --> 00:43:43,440 Speaker 1: them reconciled. And I also liked seeing Cindy and Alice reconcile, 706 00:43:44,000 --> 00:43:46,440 Speaker 1: even though unfortunately Alice died soon after, but I like 707 00:43:46,480 --> 00:43:51,160 Speaker 1: to see the recondcile. There's so many things, of course, 708 00:43:51,239 --> 00:43:53,560 Speaker 1: the ins and outs of high school and being perfect 709 00:43:53,920 --> 00:43:56,440 Speaker 1: that was a whole different conversation in itself, and losing 710 00:43:56,440 --> 00:44:01,239 Speaker 1: yourself because you're trying you really think you're situation is 711 00:44:01,280 --> 00:44:03,399 Speaker 1: the problem, which I think a lot of people think 712 00:44:03,440 --> 00:44:07,360 Speaker 1: that in general it could be true, then they forget 713 00:44:07,480 --> 00:44:11,080 Speaker 1: who they're leaving behind. As well. I thought they did 714 00:44:11,080 --> 00:44:15,840 Speaker 1: a pretty great job of portraying the difficulties of that 715 00:44:16,000 --> 00:44:20,440 Speaker 1: age and the growing pains of that age and how 716 00:44:20,480 --> 00:44:23,960 Speaker 1: that can impact your relationships with your friends, are your 717 00:44:24,000 --> 00:44:27,640 Speaker 1: siblings are or what have you? Um. I also like 718 00:44:27,719 --> 00:44:30,399 Speaker 1: your take on the fact that Zi, the person who 719 00:44:30,400 --> 00:44:34,680 Speaker 1: plays that character, plays that same character in Stranger Things. Yeah. 720 00:44:34,760 --> 00:44:36,520 Speaker 1: When I was actually Stranger Things, I was like, is 721 00:44:36,520 --> 00:44:39,440 Speaker 1: she gonna do literally the same? Oh, she died but 722 00:44:39,560 --> 00:44:42,719 Speaker 1: was resurrected, and so now it's okay, Oh wow, she is. 723 00:44:44,400 --> 00:44:48,960 Speaker 1: She's not dead yet, She's not resurrected quite yet. Spoilers 724 00:44:49,360 --> 00:44:55,719 Speaker 1: Stranger Things. Oh dear uh. And I just had to 725 00:44:55,719 --> 00:44:58,440 Speaker 1: throw out there somebody who grew up with economic code. 726 00:44:59,400 --> 00:45:01,920 Speaker 1: I did a p shit the economic code mention. What 727 00:45:02,040 --> 00:45:06,440 Speaker 1: is this down down left, right, left right? Oh, the 728 00:45:06,440 --> 00:45:08,839 Speaker 1: code they're saying at the end. So like if you 729 00:45:10,200 --> 00:45:12,359 Speaker 1: start like Hill three, for instance, and you just put 730 00:45:12,400 --> 00:45:19,040 Speaker 1: that in the menu, you win the game automatically. Economic Yeah, 731 00:45:20,239 --> 00:45:22,759 Speaker 1: I love it. I love the mention of it. I 732 00:45:22,800 --> 00:45:30,040 Speaker 1: loved my nineties nostalgia. It was very fun. You should. Yeah, 733 00:45:30,239 --> 00:45:35,600 Speaker 1: So if this is your thing, can't be slasher fun 734 00:45:35,800 --> 00:45:38,000 Speaker 1: horror movies. But they are horror movies and they do 735 00:45:38,080 --> 00:45:42,759 Speaker 1: get can Cory, We just have a quote unquote happy ending. Yes. 736 00:45:43,719 --> 00:45:47,799 Speaker 1: Also apparently, by the way, as we were talking about 737 00:45:47,840 --> 00:45:50,520 Speaker 1: rl Stein, he said that that that was a smart 738 00:45:50,560 --> 00:45:52,920 Speaker 1: way to go, because that's the only way he can 739 00:45:53,000 --> 00:45:56,439 Speaker 1: end his books or the fans rebel. So there you go. 740 00:45:56,880 --> 00:46:01,160 Speaker 1: Oh my gosh, I believe it. I believe it. Uh yeah, 741 00:46:01,239 --> 00:46:03,719 Speaker 1: then we recommend it. And and for anybody out there 742 00:46:03,719 --> 00:46:06,480 Speaker 1: who has any suggestions on what we should do for 743 00:46:06,640 --> 00:46:10,560 Speaker 1: future Spoiled Saturday's other horror movies, we should watch. Any 744 00:46:10,640 --> 00:46:13,040 Speaker 1: thoughts about these that we didn't touch on, or the 745 00:46:13,080 --> 00:46:16,320 Speaker 1: books remind me of the books because I've missed those books. 746 00:46:16,400 --> 00:46:19,200 Speaker 1: I think I need to go behind them, yes, or 747 00:46:19,239 --> 00:46:22,839 Speaker 1: your favorite goose Bumps books, all of these things. Um 748 00:46:22,880 --> 00:46:26,560 Speaker 1: You can contact us via email. Our email is Stephaniemaum 749 00:46:26,560 --> 00:46:28,239 Speaker 1: and stuff and I hurt me dot com. You can 750 00:46:28,239 --> 00:46:30,520 Speaker 1: find us on Twitter at moms podcast or Instagram and 751 00:46:30,520 --> 00:46:32,520 Speaker 1: stuff I've Never told you. 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