WEBVTT - The Diddy Trial: O.J., Scott Peterson, R. Kelley, Casey Anthony, How Long Did Those Juries Take? 

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<v Speaker 1>Hey, they're folks. As of this recording, the jury in

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<v Speaker 1>the Diddy trial is going back in to continue their deliberations.

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<v Speaker 1>We do not know how long this could possibly go,

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<v Speaker 1>but it got us to thinking how long have juries

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<v Speaker 1>gone in previous big media celebrity cases. I guess you

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<v Speaker 1>could put it right, Robes. So hey there, folks, welcome

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<v Speaker 1>to this episode of Amy and TJ and Robes of

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<v Speaker 1>some of the first you start thinking about some of

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<v Speaker 1>these cases, how long these deliberations could go. I think

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<v Speaker 1>there are few, you know, and OJ pops in everybody's

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<v Speaker 1>mind first Christ of course.

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<v Speaker 2>And when you go back and look at some of

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<v Speaker 2>these big trials as we've done here, it's shocking because

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<v Speaker 2>they run the gamut. There's no rhyme or reason, just

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<v Speaker 2>how long juries end up taking to deliberate, regardless of

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<v Speaker 2>how long the trial actually went.

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<v Speaker 3>So yeah, OJ Simpson nineteen.

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<v Speaker 2>Ninety five, the trial went on for eight months and

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<v Speaker 2>he was ultimately found I'm not guilty on two counts

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<v Speaker 2>of murder. How long did the jury deliberate for an

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<v Speaker 2>eight month trial when O. J. Simpson's life was on

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<v Speaker 2>the line?

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<v Speaker 3>How long? Just four hours? Four hours?

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<v Speaker 1>Hours? As crazy as that sounds and everything that was

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<v Speaker 1>at stake in the eight months that it took. You

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<v Speaker 1>pointed out this before did he do it or did

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<v Speaker 1>he not do it? It's kind of that simple.

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<v Speaker 3>There weren't complicated charges.

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<v Speaker 1>It did this, this is murder or he did not murder,

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<v Speaker 1>and so to that point. But it's still kind of

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<v Speaker 1>astonishing a trial that big, uh, something that was publicized

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<v Speaker 1>under that much public scrutiny.

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<v Speaker 2>Judge Edo, you remember, I remember all the characters and

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<v Speaker 2>Mark Herman, Marsha Clark.

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<v Speaker 3>We watched it all.

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<v Speaker 2>I was in my first newsroom in nineteen ninety five

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<v Speaker 2>and we were all.

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<v Speaker 3>Kato uh oh, kato calen.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah.

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<v Speaker 1>I just didn't understand why he was.

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<v Speaker 2>I really didn't get that either he lived in the

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<v Speaker 2>back like poolhouse or something. But anyway, yes, everyone remembers

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<v Speaker 2>where they were. But to think that it only took

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<v Speaker 2>four hours, and by the way, closing.

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<v Speaker 3>Arguments in the O. J. Simpson trial took four days.

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<v Speaker 1>We were talking about this trial, the Didny trial that

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<v Speaker 1>they ran over because it was five hours, okay, piped down.

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<v Speaker 1>I'm sure somewhere those attorneys were laughing at anybody suggesting

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<v Speaker 1>that the Didty trial lawyers went long. So that's O. J. Simpson.

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<v Speaker 1>That's the first one pops in the mind. So this

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<v Speaker 1>is some of the others We're going to go through

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<v Speaker 1>with you and just try to start thinking about him yourself.

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<v Speaker 1>Scott Peterson, Casey, Anthony R. Kelly, the Menindez Brothers, George Zimmerman,

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<v Speaker 1>Derek Chauvin of course convicted in the murder of George Floyd,

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<v Speaker 1>Michael Jackson, and Charles Manson. Those are the ones we

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<v Speaker 1>decided to pull up and we were just curious to

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<v Speaker 1>see and I absolutely had no idea. So let's go

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<v Speaker 1>to Scott Peterson first. A lot of people remember this,

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<v Speaker 1>of course, convicted two counts of murder of his wife

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<v Speaker 1>Lacy and their unborn child. This trial out in California,

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<v Speaker 1>of course, went five months. This this was as big

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<v Speaker 1>of a trial as you can imagine in this wor

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<v Speaker 1>And he.

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<v Speaker 2>Is still making headlines, by the way, because he is

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<v Speaker 2>with the Innocence Project. He is looking to get a

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<v Speaker 2>new trial. He has maintained his innocence from the beginning.

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<v Speaker 2>We have talked to his attorney mar Garrigos, who also

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<v Speaker 2>believes that Scott Peterson is innocent.

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<v Speaker 3>But yeah, five month trial.

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<v Speaker 2>He was found guilty on two counts of murder. The

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<v Speaker 2>jury deliberation time on this one man, it took a while.

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<v Speaker 2>It was seven days. However, they had to restart twice

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<v Speaker 2>because of the dismissal of two jurors.

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<v Speaker 3>We thought that it was messy with the Diddy jurors. Now,

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<v Speaker 3>the Scott Peterson trial had all sorts of juror issues.

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<v Speaker 2>The final jury though, when they finally put it together,

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<v Speaker 2>only deliberated seven hours to come up with that guilty

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<v Speaker 2>on two counts of murder.

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<v Speaker 3>But I'll see what happens in that case.

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<v Speaker 1>That is not done yet, and we should use this

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<v Speaker 1>case now to make that point. If anything were to

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<v Speaker 1>happen with a juror on this Diddy trial, if somebody

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<v Speaker 1>got dismissed or some whatever might come up. But you

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<v Speaker 1>never know with this jury, if somebody got dismissed, they

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<v Speaker 1>would be required to start the deliberations over again.

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<v Speaker 2>And that's why they didn't want juror number twenty five

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<v Speaker 2>to leave when at first it seemed as though he

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<v Speaker 2>couldn't follow the judge's instructions. Somehow he fell in line

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<v Speaker 2>and they've well, they they're making their way all right,

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<v Speaker 2>Casey Anthony.

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<v Speaker 3>That was back in twenty eleven.

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<v Speaker 2>This one was a shocking verdict for those of us

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<v Speaker 2>who covered this case. She of course, was accused of

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<v Speaker 2>murdering her two year old daughter. She was found not

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<v Speaker 2>guilty of first degree murder. The jury deliberation time on

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<v Speaker 2>this one also shocking to me. Just ten hours. They

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<v Speaker 2>took two days, but five hours I guess each day,

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<v Speaker 2>give or take. That was a quick decision to have

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<v Speaker 2>it be as surprising as it was.

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<v Speaker 1>I'm trying to track down while I'm talking to you

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<v Speaker 1>how long that trial took. It was in the summer there,

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<v Speaker 1>July fourth, when it had started. I'm looking, looking, looking

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<v Speaker 1>and looking looking. That's always important to try to track

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<v Speaker 1>down here as I'm talking. But yes, it's Casey Anthony.

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<v Speaker 1>That was another major, another very much highly publicized trial.

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<v Speaker 1>And where am I here, Casey? Ten hours?

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<v Speaker 2>I mean ten hours of deliberation, Yeah, I mean that

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<v Speaker 2>was a quick decision, and it was a long drawn

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<v Speaker 2>out case that was being tried in the media for sure.

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<v Speaker 2>I was working for the Today Show back then, and

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<v Speaker 2>we had Casey Anthony's parents on our couch. It seemed

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<v Speaker 2>as though it was at least once a week, so

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<v Speaker 2>they were trying this case in the press even before

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<v Speaker 2>it went all the.

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<v Speaker 3>Way to the courts. But yeah, they decided quickly on

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<v Speaker 3>that one.

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<v Speaker 1>Or Kelly, he actually had two separate trials here to consider.

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<v Speaker 1>One was in twenty twenty one. This is when he

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<v Speaker 1>was found guilty of nine counts of racketeering, specifically nine

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<v Speaker 1>counts of racketeering. How long did it take that jury

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<v Speaker 1>two days?

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<v Speaker 3>Two days.

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<v Speaker 2>The length of the trial was six weeks, so that

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<v Speaker 2>I mean that makes sense because the racketeering thing clearly

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<v Speaker 2>is complicated and that was what he was found guilty

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<v Speaker 2>of for his first roll.

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<v Speaker 3>He had a second trial. This was out of Chicago.

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<v Speaker 1>I believe he's on child pornography charges.

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<v Speaker 3>Child crimnography charges.

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<v Speaker 2>The jury deliberation time eleven hours over two days, so

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<v Speaker 2>they took the same amount of time to try and

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<v Speaker 2>figure out whether or not he was guilty of child

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<v Speaker 2>pornography as racketeering.

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<v Speaker 1>Interesting another case here that again it's an oldie but

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<v Speaker 1>a goodie if you will, and that it's something we've

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<v Speaker 1>been with for the past thirty plus years, but it's

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<v Speaker 1>still making headlines. The Menendez brothers, what's the latest with him?

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<v Speaker 1>Now they've been trying for the past almost a year,

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<v Speaker 1>like actual hearings about them possibly getting out of prison

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<v Speaker 1>within some delay, and then a new prosecutor gets elected and.

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<v Speaker 2>All kinds of Yeah, they suffered some political setbacks with

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<v Speaker 2>the election in November because the DA there was absolutely

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<v Speaker 2>paving the way, and then the new DA.

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<v Speaker 3>Said, yeah, not so fast.

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<v Speaker 2>However, Gavin Newsom is looking into potentially giving them clemency.

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<v Speaker 2>And they also were up for parole, so they were

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<v Speaker 2>they were re sentenced, and so that means they're up

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<v Speaker 2>for parole because they've already served this certain amount of

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<v Speaker 2>time because they were convicted under the age of twenty five.

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<v Speaker 3>They're all of these little rules.

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<v Speaker 2>But bottom line, yeah, they could be getting out very soon.

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<v Speaker 2>Their trials, however, they were tried together. But Eric's trial

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<v Speaker 2>was nineteen days. Lyle's trial was twenty five days.

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<v Speaker 1>I didn't remember these two actually tried separately. Initially separately,

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<v Speaker 1>and Eric Menndez's jury was out nineteen days and came back.

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<v Speaker 3>No over it hung jury.

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<v Speaker 1>Lyles same thing. They took twenty five days and came

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<v Speaker 1>back no Verty.

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<v Speaker 3>Wow, I didn't realize that.

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<v Speaker 1>I did not remember that took place. So no very there.

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<v Speaker 1>They decided to try them again, try them together, and

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<v Speaker 1>then they were found guilty. And that jury took five days?

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<v Speaker 2>Is it because in their separate trials they could point

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<v Speaker 2>the finger at the other brother No, I did not.

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<v Speaker 1>Remember that at all, But to think that a jury

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<v Speaker 1>in that case, they deliberate it almost a.

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<v Speaker 2>Month, a month and they that's some that's some dedication

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<v Speaker 2>and still came back with a hung jury. So yes,

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<v Speaker 2>when they were tried together they were found guilty. That

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<v Speaker 2>jury deliberation time still took a while. That was five days.

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<v Speaker 2>That's that's almost that's a full week in court speak

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<v Speaker 2>for them to come up with that guilty verdict. And

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<v Speaker 2>now wealth we shall see if the Menindez brothers actually

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<v Speaker 2>walk out of prison this year twenty thirteen.

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<v Speaker 1>Of course, George Zimmermann found not guilty in the death

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<v Speaker 1>of Trayvon Martin. This was I mean, this was as

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<v Speaker 1>hot of a political and racial hot button cases you're

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<v Speaker 1>going to see. This was a difficult time for the

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<v Speaker 1>country and the conversations we were having around that time.

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<v Speaker 1>But he was ultimately found not guilty. Now it's complicated,

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<v Speaker 1>as this case was ropes. It took them two days.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, but still that's sixteen hours of deliberation. When you

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<v Speaker 2>look at some of these other deliberation times, it's not

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<v Speaker 2>as much as you might think with what was at stake,

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<v Speaker 2>with the political and racial pressure that was on them.

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<v Speaker 3>I mean, wow, that was one where the.

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<v Speaker 2>World was certainly watching as well, and there were a

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<v Speaker 2>lot of very strong reactions to that not guilty verdict.

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<v Speaker 1>All right, well, folks, Derek Chauvin, Michael Jackson and Charles

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<v Speaker 1>Manson one of them. The jury took nine days to

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<v Speaker 1>come to a verdict.

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<v Speaker 4>Stay here, welcome back everyone.

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<v Speaker 2>As of this recording, we are still waiting for the

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<v Speaker 2>final verdicts to come down in the Diddy trial, so

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<v Speaker 2>we thought we'd go over some of the main verdicts,

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<v Speaker 2>were some big verdicts and the time it took to

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<v Speaker 2>deliberate over the past several years. And we're going to

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<v Speaker 2>be again now with Derek Chauvin. He was of course

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<v Speaker 2>found guilty in the murder of George Floyd. Again a

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<v Speaker 2>huge trial with the world watching and so much pressure

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<v Speaker 2>on this jury, and they decided pretty quickly. In just

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<v Speaker 2>two days, over ten hours, the jury decided that Derek

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<v Speaker 2>Chauvin was.

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<v Speaker 1>Guilty a lot of people looked like, why did take

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<v Speaker 1>that long?

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, that's true, A nine.

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<v Speaker 1>Minute video of him doing what he did when I

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<v Speaker 1>had to revisit that. But Michael Jackson, I don't have

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<v Speaker 1>the year on this, But Robes, I don't know how

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<v Speaker 1>I forgot that. Yes, in fact, he was on very

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<v Speaker 1>serious crimes, child molestation charges, and there were ten counts

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<v Speaker 1>he was facing.

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<v Speaker 3>I didn't realize there were that many. I remember, I didn't.

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<v Speaker 2>I didn't follow this trial as closely as I had others.

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<v Speaker 2>I think maybe it was a little bit before my time.

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<v Speaker 2>But yes, ten counts of child molestation. And to think,

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<v Speaker 2>with all of that testimony and all of the eyes

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<v Speaker 2>in that courtroom, he was found not guilty on all

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<v Speaker 2>ten counts.

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<v Speaker 3>So how long did the jury take to come up

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<v Speaker 3>with that decision?

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<v Speaker 2>It was quite a while, and that's understandable given all

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<v Speaker 2>the testimonies. Seven days, thirty plus hours the jury deliberated

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<v Speaker 2>and ultimately unanimously agreed that he was not guilty of

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<v Speaker 2>those heinous charges.

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<v Speaker 1>You know, how do you divide that up? How many

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<v Speaker 1>hours a day is that? If you do seven days,

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<v Speaker 1>it's thirty.

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<v Speaker 3>Five hours minus five hours a day or.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, on a four to five hours a day. This jury,

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<v Speaker 1>I'm curious to know what they what they have the

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<v Speaker 1>stomach for, how they're doing. They're exhausted. This is the

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<v Speaker 1>end for them. It's all emotional. I wonder what this

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<v Speaker 1>diddy jury. They're working nine to five at this point.

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<v Speaker 1>Oh the fourth they're out of there by the fourth

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<v Speaker 1>of July.

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<v Speaker 3>Oh yes, I think they'd have.

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<v Speaker 1>To be all right. And the last one here we

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<v Speaker 1>have for you had to. This is an oldie, Charles Manson,

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<v Speaker 1>facing some very serious charges, yes, serious and a lot.

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<v Speaker 1>He was tried I think with three other women were

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<v Speaker 1>on his followers were on trial with him on this one.

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<v Speaker 1>Found guilty on twenty seven counts of first degree murder

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<v Speaker 1>and conspiracy. I believe this is back in nineteen seventy one.

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<v Speaker 1>And as you could imagine, this jury took some time.

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<v Speaker 2>Yes, but I didn't realize it was twenty seven counts

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<v Speaker 2>of first degree murder and conspiracy. So yes, the jury

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<v Speaker 2>took its time coming up. Can you imagine just going

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<v Speaker 2>through the evidence of twenty seven counts of murder and

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<v Speaker 2>each individual person is a victim that matters, that needs

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<v Speaker 2>to be considered, So yes, it took them nine days,

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<v Speaker 2>forty three hours of exhaustive deliberations to come up with

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<v Speaker 2>that guilty verdict.