Speaker 1: Hey, they're folks. As of this recording, the jury in
Speaker 1: the Diddy trial is going back in to continue their deliberations.
Speaker 1: We do not know how long this could possibly go,
Speaker 1: but it got us to thinking how long have juries
Speaker 1: gone in previous big media celebrity cases. I guess you
Speaker 1: could put it right, Robes. So hey there, folks, welcome
Speaker 1: to this episode of Amy and TJ and Robes of
Speaker 1: some of the first you start thinking about some of
Speaker 1: these cases, how long these deliberations could go. I think
Speaker 1: there are few, you know, and OJ pops in everybody's
Speaker 1: mind first Christ of course.
Speaker 2: And when you go back and look at some of
Speaker 2: these big trials as we've done here, it's shocking because
Speaker 2: they run the gamut. There's no rhyme or reason, just
Speaker 2: how long juries end up taking to deliberate, regardless of
Speaker 2: how long the trial actually went.
Speaker 3: So yeah, OJ Simpson nineteen.
Speaker 2: Ninety five, the trial went on for eight months and
Speaker 2: he was ultimately found I'm not guilty on two counts
Speaker 2: of murder. How long did the jury deliberate for an
Speaker 2: eight month trial when O. J. Simpson's life was on
Speaker 2: the line?
Speaker 3: How long? Just four hours? Four hours?
Speaker 1: Hours? As crazy as that sounds and everything that was
Speaker 1: at stake in the eight months that it took. You
Speaker 1: pointed out this before did he do it or did
Speaker 1: he not do it? It's kind of that simple.
Speaker 3: There weren't complicated charges.
Speaker 1: It did this, this is murder or he did not murder,
Speaker 1: and so to that point. But it's still kind of
Speaker 1: astonishing a trial that big, uh, something that was publicized
Speaker 1: under that much public scrutiny.
Speaker 2: Judge Edo, you remember, I remember all the characters and
Speaker 2: Mark Herman, Marsha Clark.
Speaker 3: We watched it all.
Speaker 2: I was in my first newsroom in nineteen ninety five
Speaker 2: and we were all.
Speaker 3: Kato uh oh, kato calen.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 1: I just didn't understand why he was.
Speaker 2: I really didn't get that either he lived in the
Speaker 2: back like poolhouse or something. But anyway, yes, everyone remembers
Speaker 2: where they were. But to think that it only took
Speaker 2: four hours, and by the way, closing.
Speaker 3: Arguments in the O. J. Simpson trial took four days.
Speaker 1: We were talking about this trial, the Didny trial that
Speaker 1: they ran over because it was five hours, okay, piped down.
Speaker 1: I'm sure somewhere those attorneys were laughing at anybody suggesting
Speaker 1: that the Didty trial lawyers went long. So that's O. J. Simpson.
Speaker 1: That's the first one pops in the mind. So this
Speaker 1: is some of the others We're going to go through
Speaker 1: with you and just try to start thinking about him yourself.
Speaker 1: Scott Peterson, Casey, Anthony R. Kelly, the Menindez Brothers, George Zimmerman,
Speaker 1: Derek Chauvin of course convicted in the murder of George Floyd,
Speaker 1: Michael Jackson, and Charles Manson. Those are the ones we
Speaker 1: decided to pull up and we were just curious to
Speaker 1: see and I absolutely had no idea. So let's go
Speaker 1: to Scott Peterson first. A lot of people remember this,
Speaker 1: of course, convicted two counts of murder of his wife
Speaker 1: Lacy and their unborn child. This trial out in California,
Speaker 1: of course, went five months. This this was as big
Speaker 1: of a trial as you can imagine in this wor
Speaker 1: And he.
Speaker 2: Is still making headlines, by the way, because he is
Speaker 2: with the Innocence Project. He is looking to get a
Speaker 2: new trial. He has maintained his innocence from the beginning.
Speaker 2: We have talked to his attorney mar Garrigos, who also
Speaker 2: believes that Scott Peterson is innocent.
Speaker 3: But yeah, five month trial.
Speaker 2: He was found guilty on two counts of murder. The
Speaker 2: jury deliberation time on this one man, it took a while.
Speaker 2: It was seven days. However, they had to restart twice
Speaker 2: because of the dismissal of two jurors.
Speaker 3: We thought that it was messy with the Diddy jurors. Now,
Speaker 3: the Scott Peterson trial had all sorts of juror issues.
Speaker 2: The final jury though, when they finally put it together,
Speaker 2: only deliberated seven hours to come up with that guilty
Speaker 2: on two counts of murder.
Speaker 3: But I'll see what happens in that case.
Speaker 1: That is not done yet, and we should use this
Speaker 1: case now to make that point. If anything were to
Speaker 1: happen with a juror on this Diddy trial, if somebody
Speaker 1: got dismissed or some whatever might come up. But you
Speaker 1: never know with this jury, if somebody got dismissed, they
Speaker 1: would be required to start the deliberations over again.
Speaker 2: And that's why they didn't want juror number twenty five
Speaker 2: to leave when at first it seemed as though he
Speaker 2: couldn't follow the judge's instructions. Somehow he fell in line
Speaker 2: and they've well, they they're making their way all right,
Speaker 2: Casey Anthony.
Speaker 3: That was back in twenty eleven.
Speaker 2: This one was a shocking verdict for those of us
Speaker 2: who covered this case. She of course, was accused of
Speaker 2: murdering her two year old daughter. She was found not
Speaker 2: guilty of first degree murder. The jury deliberation time on
Speaker 2: this one also shocking to me. Just ten hours. They
Speaker 2: took two days, but five hours I guess each day,
Speaker 2: give or take. That was a quick decision to have
Speaker 2: it be as surprising as it was.
Speaker 1: I'm trying to track down while I'm talking to you
Speaker 1: how long that trial took. It was in the summer there,
Speaker 1: July fourth, when it had started. I'm looking, looking, looking
Speaker 1: and looking looking. That's always important to try to track
Speaker 1: down here as I'm talking. But yes, it's Casey Anthony.
Speaker 1: That was another major, another very much highly publicized trial.
Speaker 1: And where am I here, Casey? Ten hours?
Speaker 2: I mean ten hours of deliberation, Yeah, I mean that
Speaker 2: was a quick decision, and it was a long drawn
Speaker 2: out case that was being tried in the media for sure.
Speaker 2: I was working for the Today Show back then, and
Speaker 2: we had Casey Anthony's parents on our couch. It seemed
Speaker 2: as though it was at least once a week, so
Speaker 2: they were trying this case in the press even before
Speaker 2: it went all the.
Speaker 3: Way to the courts. But yeah, they decided quickly on
Speaker 3: that one.
Speaker 1: Or Kelly, he actually had two separate trials here to consider.
Speaker 1: One was in twenty twenty one. This is when he
Speaker 1: was found guilty of nine counts of racketeering, specifically nine
Speaker 1: counts of racketeering. How long did it take that jury
Speaker 1: two days?
Speaker 3: Two days.
Speaker 2: The length of the trial was six weeks, so that
Speaker 2: I mean that makes sense because the racketeering thing clearly
Speaker 2: is complicated and that was what he was found guilty
Speaker 2: of for his first roll.
Speaker 3: He had a second trial. This was out of Chicago.
Speaker 1: I believe he's on child pornography charges.
Speaker 3: Child crimnography charges.
Speaker 2: The jury deliberation time eleven hours over two days, so
Speaker 2: they took the same amount of time to try and
Speaker 2: figure out whether or not he was guilty of child
Speaker 2: pornography as racketeering.
Speaker 1: Interesting another case here that again it's an oldie but
Speaker 1: a goodie if you will, and that it's something we've
Speaker 1: been with for the past thirty plus years, but it's
Speaker 1: still making headlines. The Menendez brothers, what's the latest with him?
Speaker 1: Now they've been trying for the past almost a year,
Speaker 1: like actual hearings about them possibly getting out of prison
Speaker 1: within some delay, and then a new prosecutor gets elected and.
Speaker 2: All kinds of Yeah, they suffered some political setbacks with
Speaker 2: the election in November because the DA there was absolutely
Speaker 2: paving the way, and then the new DA.
Speaker 3: Said, yeah, not so fast.
Speaker 2: However, Gavin Newsom is looking into potentially giving them clemency.
Speaker 2: And they also were up for parole, so they were
Speaker 2: they were re sentenced, and so that means they're up
Speaker 2: for parole because they've already served this certain amount of
Speaker 2: time because they were convicted under the age of twenty five.
Speaker 3: They're all of these little rules.
Speaker 2: But bottom line, yeah, they could be getting out very soon.
Speaker 2: Their trials, however, they were tried together. But Eric's trial
Speaker 2: was nineteen days. Lyle's trial was twenty five days.
Speaker 1: I didn't remember these two actually tried separately. Initially separately,
Speaker 1: and Eric Menndez's jury was out nineteen days and came back.
Speaker 3: No over it hung jury.
Speaker 1: Lyles same thing. They took twenty five days and came
Speaker 1: back no Verty.
Speaker 3: Wow, I didn't realize that.
Speaker 1: I did not remember that took place. So no very there.
Speaker 1: They decided to try them again, try them together, and
Speaker 1: then they were found guilty. And that jury took five days?
Speaker 2: Is it because in their separate trials they could point
Speaker 2: the finger at the other brother No, I did not.
Speaker 1: Remember that at all, But to think that a jury
Speaker 1: in that case, they deliberate it almost a.
Speaker 2: Month, a month and they that's some that's some dedication
Speaker 2: and still came back with a hung jury. So yes,
Speaker 2: when they were tried together they were found guilty. That
Speaker 2: jury deliberation time still took a while. That was five days.
Speaker 2: That's that's almost that's a full week in court speak
Speaker 2: for them to come up with that guilty verdict. And
Speaker 2: now wealth we shall see if the Menindez brothers actually
Speaker 2: walk out of prison this year twenty thirteen.
Speaker 1: Of course, George Zimmermann found not guilty in the death
Speaker 1: of Trayvon Martin. This was I mean, this was as
Speaker 1: hot of a political and racial hot button cases you're
Speaker 1: going to see. This was a difficult time for the
Speaker 1: country and the conversations we were having around that time.
Speaker 1: But he was ultimately found not guilty. Now it's complicated,
Speaker 1: as this case was ropes. It took them two days.
Speaker 2: Yeah, but still that's sixteen hours of deliberation. When you
Speaker 2: look at some of these other deliberation times, it's not
Speaker 2: as much as you might think with what was at stake,
Speaker 2: with the political and racial pressure that was on them.
Speaker 3: I mean, wow, that was one where the.
Speaker 2: World was certainly watching as well, and there were a
Speaker 2: lot of very strong reactions to that not guilty verdict.
Speaker 1: All right, well, folks, Derek Chauvin, Michael Jackson and Charles
Speaker 1: Manson one of them. The jury took nine days to
Speaker 1: come to a verdict.
Speaker 4: Stay here, welcome back everyone.
Speaker 2: As of this recording, we are still waiting for the
Speaker 2: final verdicts to come down in the Diddy trial, so
Speaker 2: we thought we'd go over some of the main verdicts,
Speaker 2: were some big verdicts and the time it took to
Speaker 2: deliberate over the past several years. And we're going to
Speaker 2: be again now with Derek Chauvin. He was of course
Speaker 2: found guilty in the murder of George Floyd. Again a
Speaker 2: huge trial with the world watching and so much pressure
Speaker 2: on this jury, and they decided pretty quickly. In just
Speaker 2: two days, over ten hours, the jury decided that Derek
Speaker 2: Chauvin was.
Speaker 1: Guilty a lot of people looked like, why did take
Speaker 1: that long?
Speaker 3: Yeah, that's true, A nine.
Speaker 1: Minute video of him doing what he did when I
Speaker 1: had to revisit that. But Michael Jackson, I don't have
Speaker 1: the year on this, But Robes, I don't know how
Speaker 1: I forgot that. Yes, in fact, he was on very
Speaker 1: serious crimes, child molestation charges, and there were ten counts
Speaker 1: he was facing.
Speaker 3: I didn't realize there were that many. I remember, I didn't.
Speaker 2: I didn't follow this trial as closely as I had others.
Speaker 2: I think maybe it was a little bit before my time.
Speaker 2: But yes, ten counts of child molestation. And to think,
Speaker 2: with all of that testimony and all of the eyes
Speaker 2: in that courtroom, he was found not guilty on all
Speaker 2: ten counts.
Speaker 3: So how long did the jury take to come up
Speaker 3: with that decision?
Speaker 2: It was quite a while, and that's understandable given all
Speaker 2: the testimonies. Seven days, thirty plus hours the jury deliberated
Speaker 2: and ultimately unanimously agreed that he was not guilty of
Speaker 2: those heinous charges.
Speaker 1: You know, how do you divide that up? How many
Speaker 1: hours a day is that? If you do seven days,
Speaker 1: it's thirty.
Speaker 3: Five hours minus five hours a day or.
Speaker 1: Yeah, on a four to five hours a day. This jury,
Speaker 1: I'm curious to know what they what they have the
Speaker 1: stomach for, how they're doing. They're exhausted. This is the
Speaker 1: end for them. It's all emotional. I wonder what this
Speaker 1: diddy jury. They're working nine to five at this point.
Speaker 1: Oh the fourth they're out of there by the fourth
Speaker 1: of July.
Speaker 3: Oh yes, I think they'd have.
Speaker 1: To be all right. And the last one here we
Speaker 1: have for you had to. This is an oldie, Charles Manson,
Speaker 1: facing some very serious charges, yes, serious and a lot.
Speaker 1: He was tried I think with three other women were
Speaker 1: on his followers were on trial with him on this one.
Speaker 1: Found guilty on twenty seven counts of first degree murder
Speaker 1: and conspiracy. I believe this is back in nineteen seventy one.
Speaker 1: And as you could imagine, this jury took some time.
Speaker 2: Yes, but I didn't realize it was twenty seven counts
Speaker 2: of first degree murder and conspiracy. So yes, the jury
Speaker 2: took its time coming up. Can you imagine just going
Speaker 2: through the evidence of twenty seven counts of murder and
Speaker 2: each individual person is a victim that matters, that needs
Speaker 2: to be considered, So yes, it took them nine days,
Speaker 2: forty three hours of exhaustive deliberations to come up with
Speaker 2: that guilty verdict.