1 00:00:02,520 --> 00:00:05,960 Speaker 1: Hey, they're folks. As of this recording, the jury in 2 00:00:06,040 --> 00:00:10,160 Speaker 1: the Diddy trial is going back in to continue their deliberations. 3 00:00:10,160 --> 00:00:12,640 Speaker 1: We do not know how long this could possibly go, 4 00:00:13,200 --> 00:00:17,119 Speaker 1: but it got us to thinking how long have juries 5 00:00:17,200 --> 00:00:23,680 Speaker 1: gone in previous big media celebrity cases. I guess you 6 00:00:23,680 --> 00:00:25,439 Speaker 1: could put it right, Robes. So hey there, folks, welcome 7 00:00:25,480 --> 00:00:28,800 Speaker 1: to this episode of Amy and TJ and Robes of 8 00:00:28,880 --> 00:00:30,680 Speaker 1: some of the first you start thinking about some of 9 00:00:30,720 --> 00:00:34,680 Speaker 1: these cases, how long these deliberations could go. I think 10 00:00:34,680 --> 00:00:37,800 Speaker 1: there are few, you know, and OJ pops in everybody's 11 00:00:37,800 --> 00:00:39,000 Speaker 1: mind first Christ of course. 12 00:00:39,040 --> 00:00:40,640 Speaker 2: And when you go back and look at some of 13 00:00:40,680 --> 00:00:44,320 Speaker 2: these big trials as we've done here, it's shocking because 14 00:00:44,360 --> 00:00:46,680 Speaker 2: they run the gamut. There's no rhyme or reason, just 15 00:00:46,960 --> 00:00:50,879 Speaker 2: how long juries end up taking to deliberate, regardless of 16 00:00:50,920 --> 00:00:52,159 Speaker 2: how long the trial actually went. 17 00:00:52,200 --> 00:00:54,640 Speaker 3: So yeah, OJ Simpson nineteen. 18 00:00:54,360 --> 00:00:58,680 Speaker 2: Ninety five, the trial went on for eight months and 19 00:00:58,720 --> 00:01:02,160 Speaker 2: he was ultimately found I'm not guilty on two counts 20 00:01:02,160 --> 00:01:06,000 Speaker 2: of murder. How long did the jury deliberate for an 21 00:01:06,080 --> 00:01:09,400 Speaker 2: eight month trial when O. J. Simpson's life was on 22 00:01:09,440 --> 00:01:11,240 Speaker 2: the line? 23 00:01:11,600 --> 00:01:15,440 Speaker 3: How long? Just four hours? Four hours? 24 00:01:15,720 --> 00:01:18,760 Speaker 1: Hours? As crazy as that sounds and everything that was 25 00:01:18,760 --> 00:01:21,480 Speaker 1: at stake in the eight months that it took. You 26 00:01:21,600 --> 00:01:23,960 Speaker 1: pointed out this before did he do it or did 27 00:01:24,000 --> 00:01:26,160 Speaker 1: he not do it? It's kind of that simple. 28 00:01:27,080 --> 00:01:28,560 Speaker 3: There weren't complicated charges. 29 00:01:28,720 --> 00:01:31,839 Speaker 1: It did this, this is murder or he did not murder, 30 00:01:32,319 --> 00:01:34,400 Speaker 1: and so to that point. But it's still kind of 31 00:01:34,440 --> 00:01:40,240 Speaker 1: astonishing a trial that big, uh, something that was publicized 32 00:01:40,440 --> 00:01:42,520 Speaker 1: under that much public scrutiny. 33 00:01:42,720 --> 00:01:46,440 Speaker 2: Judge Edo, you remember, I remember all the characters and 34 00:01:46,760 --> 00:01:48,520 Speaker 2: Mark Herman, Marsha Clark. 35 00:01:48,720 --> 00:01:49,760 Speaker 3: We watched it all. 36 00:01:49,880 --> 00:01:51,960 Speaker 2: I was in my first newsroom in nineteen ninety five 37 00:01:52,000 --> 00:01:52,960 Speaker 2: and we were all. 38 00:01:53,160 --> 00:01:55,320 Speaker 3: Kato uh oh, kato calen. 39 00:01:55,480 --> 00:01:55,720 Speaker 2: Yeah. 40 00:01:56,000 --> 00:01:57,400 Speaker 1: I just didn't understand why he was. 41 00:01:57,680 --> 00:01:59,920 Speaker 2: I really didn't get that either he lived in the 42 00:02:00,160 --> 00:02:04,400 Speaker 2: back like poolhouse or something. But anyway, yes, everyone remembers 43 00:02:04,440 --> 00:02:06,560 Speaker 2: where they were. But to think that it only took 44 00:02:06,600 --> 00:02:08,239 Speaker 2: four hours, and by the way, closing. 45 00:02:08,040 --> 00:02:11,760 Speaker 3: Arguments in the O. J. Simpson trial took four days. 46 00:02:12,080 --> 00:02:14,600 Speaker 1: We were talking about this trial, the Didny trial that 47 00:02:14,639 --> 00:02:18,280 Speaker 1: they ran over because it was five hours, okay, piped down. 48 00:02:18,280 --> 00:02:21,679 Speaker 1: I'm sure somewhere those attorneys were laughing at anybody suggesting 49 00:02:21,720 --> 00:02:25,720 Speaker 1: that the Didty trial lawyers went long. So that's O. J. Simpson. 50 00:02:25,760 --> 00:02:27,239 Speaker 1: That's the first one pops in the mind. So this 51 00:02:27,760 --> 00:02:29,440 Speaker 1: is some of the others We're going to go through 52 00:02:29,440 --> 00:02:32,000 Speaker 1: with you and just try to start thinking about him yourself. 53 00:02:32,200 --> 00:02:38,880 Speaker 1: Scott Peterson, Casey, Anthony R. Kelly, the Menindez Brothers, George Zimmerman, 54 00:02:39,480 --> 00:02:43,919 Speaker 1: Derek Chauvin of course convicted in the murder of George Floyd, 55 00:02:44,320 --> 00:02:48,160 Speaker 1: Michael Jackson, and Charles Manson. Those are the ones we 56 00:02:48,240 --> 00:02:51,080 Speaker 1: decided to pull up and we were just curious to 57 00:02:51,120 --> 00:02:55,360 Speaker 1: see and I absolutely had no idea. So let's go 58 00:02:55,440 --> 00:02:58,760 Speaker 1: to Scott Peterson first. A lot of people remember this, 59 00:02:58,919 --> 00:03:02,960 Speaker 1: of course, convicted two counts of murder of his wife 60 00:03:03,080 --> 00:03:06,520 Speaker 1: Lacy and their unborn child. This trial out in California, 61 00:03:06,520 --> 00:03:10,960 Speaker 1: of course, went five months. This this was as big 62 00:03:11,040 --> 00:03:13,400 Speaker 1: of a trial as you can imagine in this wor 63 00:03:13,560 --> 00:03:13,840 Speaker 1: And he. 64 00:03:13,840 --> 00:03:16,080 Speaker 2: Is still making headlines, by the way, because he is 65 00:03:16,400 --> 00:03:19,160 Speaker 2: with the Innocence Project. He is looking to get a 66 00:03:19,200 --> 00:03:22,639 Speaker 2: new trial. He has maintained his innocence from the beginning. 67 00:03:22,919 --> 00:03:25,440 Speaker 2: We have talked to his attorney mar Garrigos, who also 68 00:03:25,520 --> 00:03:27,400 Speaker 2: believes that Scott Peterson is innocent. 69 00:03:27,480 --> 00:03:28,880 Speaker 3: But yeah, five month trial. 70 00:03:29,440 --> 00:03:33,000 Speaker 2: He was found guilty on two counts of murder. The 71 00:03:33,120 --> 00:03:37,000 Speaker 2: jury deliberation time on this one man, it took a while. 72 00:03:37,520 --> 00:03:42,600 Speaker 2: It was seven days. However, they had to restart twice 73 00:03:42,800 --> 00:03:44,960 Speaker 2: because of the dismissal of two jurors. 74 00:03:45,000 --> 00:03:48,240 Speaker 3: We thought that it was messy with the Diddy jurors. Now, 75 00:03:48,560 --> 00:03:51,640 Speaker 3: the Scott Peterson trial had all sorts of juror issues. 76 00:03:51,880 --> 00:03:55,040 Speaker 2: The final jury though, when they finally put it together, 77 00:03:55,560 --> 00:03:58,640 Speaker 2: only deliberated seven hours to come up with that guilty 78 00:03:58,640 --> 00:03:59,640 Speaker 2: on two counts of murder. 79 00:03:59,640 --> 00:04:01,200 Speaker 3: But I'll see what happens in that case. 80 00:04:01,240 --> 00:04:03,840 Speaker 1: That is not done yet, and we should use this 81 00:04:03,920 --> 00:04:06,360 Speaker 1: case now to make that point. If anything were to 82 00:04:06,480 --> 00:04:10,320 Speaker 1: happen with a juror on this Diddy trial, if somebody 83 00:04:10,360 --> 00:04:13,520 Speaker 1: got dismissed or some whatever might come up. But you 84 00:04:13,600 --> 00:04:16,880 Speaker 1: never know with this jury, if somebody got dismissed, they 85 00:04:16,920 --> 00:04:21,599 Speaker 1: would be required to start the deliberations over again. 86 00:04:21,839 --> 00:04:24,480 Speaker 2: And that's why they didn't want juror number twenty five 87 00:04:24,839 --> 00:04:26,880 Speaker 2: to leave when at first it seemed as though he 88 00:04:26,920 --> 00:04:30,200 Speaker 2: couldn't follow the judge's instructions. Somehow he fell in line 89 00:04:30,279 --> 00:04:33,480 Speaker 2: and they've well, they they're making their way all right, 90 00:04:33,520 --> 00:04:34,279 Speaker 2: Casey Anthony. 91 00:04:34,520 --> 00:04:36,239 Speaker 3: That was back in twenty eleven. 92 00:04:36,760 --> 00:04:41,279 Speaker 2: This one was a shocking verdict for those of us 93 00:04:41,320 --> 00:04:44,440 Speaker 2: who covered this case. She of course, was accused of 94 00:04:44,560 --> 00:04:47,680 Speaker 2: murdering her two year old daughter. She was found not 95 00:04:48,120 --> 00:04:51,920 Speaker 2: guilty of first degree murder. The jury deliberation time on 96 00:04:51,920 --> 00:04:56,840 Speaker 2: this one also shocking to me. Just ten hours. They 97 00:04:56,839 --> 00:04:59,200 Speaker 2: took two days, but five hours I guess each day, 98 00:04:59,279 --> 00:05:02,520 Speaker 2: give or take. That was a quick decision to have 99 00:05:02,600 --> 00:05:04,800 Speaker 2: it be as surprising as it was. 100 00:05:05,000 --> 00:05:07,720 Speaker 1: I'm trying to track down while I'm talking to you 101 00:05:08,640 --> 00:05:13,719 Speaker 1: how long that trial took. It was in the summer there, 102 00:05:13,920 --> 00:05:16,640 Speaker 1: July fourth, when it had started. I'm looking, looking, looking 103 00:05:16,640 --> 00:05:19,600 Speaker 1: and looking looking. That's always important to try to track 104 00:05:19,600 --> 00:05:22,560 Speaker 1: down here as I'm talking. But yes, it's Casey Anthony. 105 00:05:22,560 --> 00:05:26,320 Speaker 1: That was another major, another very much highly publicized trial. 106 00:05:26,880 --> 00:05:32,080 Speaker 1: And where am I here, Casey? Ten hours? 107 00:05:32,120 --> 00:05:35,000 Speaker 2: I mean ten hours of deliberation, Yeah, I mean that 108 00:05:35,120 --> 00:05:37,360 Speaker 2: was a quick decision, and it was a long drawn 109 00:05:37,400 --> 00:05:40,640 Speaker 2: out case that was being tried in the media for sure. 110 00:05:40,720 --> 00:05:42,560 Speaker 2: I was working for the Today Show back then, and 111 00:05:42,600 --> 00:05:46,719 Speaker 2: we had Casey Anthony's parents on our couch. It seemed 112 00:05:46,720 --> 00:05:48,599 Speaker 2: as though it was at least once a week, so 113 00:05:48,720 --> 00:05:51,160 Speaker 2: they were trying this case in the press even before 114 00:05:51,279 --> 00:05:53,040 Speaker 2: it went all the. 115 00:05:52,960 --> 00:05:55,359 Speaker 3: Way to the courts. But yeah, they decided quickly on 116 00:05:55,400 --> 00:05:55,960 Speaker 3: that one. 117 00:05:56,680 --> 00:06:01,239 Speaker 1: Or Kelly, he actually had two separate trials here to consider. 118 00:06:01,279 --> 00:06:03,719 Speaker 1: One was in twenty twenty one. This is when he 119 00:06:03,800 --> 00:06:09,640 Speaker 1: was found guilty of nine counts of racketeering, specifically nine 120 00:06:09,800 --> 00:06:12,760 Speaker 1: counts of racketeering. How long did it take that jury 121 00:06:13,520 --> 00:06:14,080 Speaker 1: two days? 122 00:06:14,120 --> 00:06:14,600 Speaker 3: Two days. 123 00:06:14,800 --> 00:06:17,080 Speaker 2: The length of the trial was six weeks, so that 124 00:06:17,200 --> 00:06:20,320 Speaker 2: I mean that makes sense because the racketeering thing clearly 125 00:06:20,400 --> 00:06:23,640 Speaker 2: is complicated and that was what he was found guilty 126 00:06:23,720 --> 00:06:25,040 Speaker 2: of for his first roll. 127 00:06:25,120 --> 00:06:27,920 Speaker 3: He had a second trial. This was out of Chicago. 128 00:06:27,960 --> 00:06:30,480 Speaker 1: I believe he's on child pornography charges. 129 00:06:30,320 --> 00:06:31,880 Speaker 3: Child crimnography charges. 130 00:06:31,920 --> 00:06:35,800 Speaker 2: The jury deliberation time eleven hours over two days, so 131 00:06:35,839 --> 00:06:38,040 Speaker 2: they took the same amount of time to try and 132 00:06:38,080 --> 00:06:40,480 Speaker 2: figure out whether or not he was guilty of child 133 00:06:40,560 --> 00:06:42,360 Speaker 2: pornography as racketeering. 134 00:06:42,440 --> 00:06:45,599 Speaker 1: Interesting another case here that again it's an oldie but 135 00:06:45,640 --> 00:06:47,880 Speaker 1: a goodie if you will, and that it's something we've 136 00:06:47,920 --> 00:06:50,280 Speaker 1: been with for the past thirty plus years, but it's 137 00:06:50,320 --> 00:06:53,640 Speaker 1: still making headlines. The Menendez brothers, what's the latest with him? 138 00:06:53,640 --> 00:06:56,240 Speaker 1: Now they've been trying for the past almost a year, 139 00:06:56,640 --> 00:07:00,719 Speaker 1: like actual hearings about them possibly getting out of prison 140 00:07:01,160 --> 00:07:04,040 Speaker 1: within some delay, and then a new prosecutor gets elected and. 141 00:07:03,960 --> 00:07:06,880 Speaker 2: All kinds of Yeah, they suffered some political setbacks with 142 00:07:06,960 --> 00:07:09,840 Speaker 2: the election in November because the DA there was absolutely 143 00:07:09,880 --> 00:07:11,520 Speaker 2: paving the way, and then the new DA. 144 00:07:11,360 --> 00:07:12,920 Speaker 3: Said, yeah, not so fast. 145 00:07:13,000 --> 00:07:18,520 Speaker 2: However, Gavin Newsom is looking into potentially giving them clemency. 146 00:07:18,680 --> 00:07:20,840 Speaker 2: And they also were up for parole, so they were 147 00:07:21,320 --> 00:07:24,040 Speaker 2: they were re sentenced, and so that means they're up 148 00:07:24,040 --> 00:07:27,080 Speaker 2: for parole because they've already served this certain amount of 149 00:07:27,120 --> 00:07:29,480 Speaker 2: time because they were convicted under the age of twenty five. 150 00:07:29,520 --> 00:07:30,760 Speaker 3: They're all of these little rules. 151 00:07:31,000 --> 00:07:34,160 Speaker 2: But bottom line, yeah, they could be getting out very soon. 152 00:07:34,760 --> 00:07:39,600 Speaker 2: Their trials, however, they were tried together. But Eric's trial 153 00:07:39,680 --> 00:07:42,040 Speaker 2: was nineteen days. Lyle's trial was twenty five days. 154 00:07:42,120 --> 00:07:48,280 Speaker 1: I didn't remember these two actually tried separately. Initially separately, 155 00:07:48,840 --> 00:07:55,680 Speaker 1: and Eric Menndez's jury was out nineteen days and came back. 156 00:07:56,120 --> 00:07:57,560 Speaker 3: No over it hung jury. 157 00:07:57,880 --> 00:08:01,360 Speaker 1: Lyles same thing. They took twenty five days and came 158 00:08:01,440 --> 00:08:03,000 Speaker 1: back no Verty. 159 00:08:03,080 --> 00:08:04,720 Speaker 3: Wow, I didn't realize that. 160 00:08:04,800 --> 00:08:08,280 Speaker 1: I did not remember that took place. So no very there. 161 00:08:08,320 --> 00:08:11,280 Speaker 1: They decided to try them again, try them together, and 162 00:08:11,320 --> 00:08:14,680 Speaker 1: then they were found guilty. And that jury took five days? 163 00:08:14,800 --> 00:08:17,360 Speaker 2: Is it because in their separate trials they could point 164 00:08:17,360 --> 00:08:20,280 Speaker 2: the finger at the other brother No, I did not. 165 00:08:20,440 --> 00:08:24,840 Speaker 1: Remember that at all, But to think that a jury 166 00:08:24,920 --> 00:08:28,480 Speaker 1: in that case, they deliberate it almost a. 167 00:08:28,480 --> 00:08:32,520 Speaker 2: Month, a month and they that's some that's some dedication 168 00:08:32,679 --> 00:08:35,000 Speaker 2: and still came back with a hung jury. So yes, 169 00:08:35,040 --> 00:08:36,960 Speaker 2: when they were tried together they were found guilty. That 170 00:08:37,080 --> 00:08:40,360 Speaker 2: jury deliberation time still took a while. That was five days. 171 00:08:40,400 --> 00:08:44,160 Speaker 2: That's that's almost that's a full week in court speak 172 00:08:44,240 --> 00:08:46,440 Speaker 2: for them to come up with that guilty verdict. And 173 00:08:46,520 --> 00:08:49,079 Speaker 2: now wealth we shall see if the Menindez brothers actually 174 00:08:49,720 --> 00:08:52,360 Speaker 2: walk out of prison this year twenty thirteen. 175 00:08:52,400 --> 00:08:56,200 Speaker 1: Of course, George Zimmermann found not guilty in the death 176 00:08:56,280 --> 00:08:58,760 Speaker 1: of Trayvon Martin. This was I mean, this was as 177 00:08:58,800 --> 00:09:05,480 Speaker 1: hot of a political and racial hot button cases you're 178 00:09:05,520 --> 00:09:08,320 Speaker 1: going to see. This was a difficult time for the 179 00:09:08,360 --> 00:09:10,760 Speaker 1: country and the conversations we were having around that time. 180 00:09:10,800 --> 00:09:15,400 Speaker 1: But he was ultimately found not guilty. Now it's complicated, 181 00:09:15,440 --> 00:09:18,760 Speaker 1: as this case was ropes. It took them two days. 182 00:09:18,960 --> 00:09:22,040 Speaker 2: Yeah, but still that's sixteen hours of deliberation. When you 183 00:09:22,040 --> 00:09:24,720 Speaker 2: look at some of these other deliberation times, it's not 184 00:09:24,800 --> 00:09:26,960 Speaker 2: as much as you might think with what was at stake, 185 00:09:27,400 --> 00:09:30,120 Speaker 2: with the political and racial pressure that was on them. 186 00:09:30,160 --> 00:09:32,199 Speaker 3: I mean, wow, that was one where the. 187 00:09:32,160 --> 00:09:34,200 Speaker 2: World was certainly watching as well, and there were a 188 00:09:34,240 --> 00:09:39,040 Speaker 2: lot of very strong reactions to that not guilty verdict. 189 00:09:38,920 --> 00:09:44,319 Speaker 1: All right, well, folks, Derek Chauvin, Michael Jackson and Charles 190 00:09:44,720 --> 00:09:50,400 Speaker 1: Manson one of them. The jury took nine days to 191 00:09:50,480 --> 00:09:51,720 Speaker 1: come to a verdict. 192 00:09:52,120 --> 00:10:03,440 Speaker 4: Stay here, welcome back everyone. 193 00:10:03,720 --> 00:10:07,280 Speaker 2: As of this recording, we are still waiting for the 194 00:10:07,280 --> 00:10:09,760 Speaker 2: final verdicts to come down in the Diddy trial, so 195 00:10:09,800 --> 00:10:13,120 Speaker 2: we thought we'd go over some of the main verdicts, 196 00:10:13,160 --> 00:10:15,600 Speaker 2: were some big verdicts and the time it took to 197 00:10:15,600 --> 00:10:18,839 Speaker 2: deliberate over the past several years. And we're going to 198 00:10:18,880 --> 00:10:22,360 Speaker 2: be again now with Derek Chauvin. He was of course 199 00:10:22,400 --> 00:10:26,360 Speaker 2: found guilty in the murder of George Floyd. Again a 200 00:10:26,640 --> 00:10:30,520 Speaker 2: huge trial with the world watching and so much pressure 201 00:10:30,880 --> 00:10:35,080 Speaker 2: on this jury, and they decided pretty quickly. In just 202 00:10:35,160 --> 00:10:38,720 Speaker 2: two days, over ten hours, the jury decided that Derek 203 00:10:38,800 --> 00:10:39,760 Speaker 2: Chauvin was. 204 00:10:39,720 --> 00:10:43,320 Speaker 1: Guilty a lot of people looked like, why did take 205 00:10:43,320 --> 00:10:43,720 Speaker 1: that long? 206 00:10:44,080 --> 00:10:46,319 Speaker 3: Yeah, that's true, A nine. 207 00:10:46,160 --> 00:10:48,959 Speaker 1: Minute video of him doing what he did when I 208 00:10:49,000 --> 00:10:53,520 Speaker 1: had to revisit that. But Michael Jackson, I don't have 209 00:10:53,559 --> 00:10:56,319 Speaker 1: the year on this, But Robes, I don't know how 210 00:10:56,800 --> 00:11:01,600 Speaker 1: I forgot that. Yes, in fact, he was on very 211 00:11:01,679 --> 00:11:05,960 Speaker 1: serious crimes, child molestation charges, and there were ten counts 212 00:11:06,000 --> 00:11:06,600 Speaker 1: he was facing. 213 00:11:06,679 --> 00:11:09,120 Speaker 3: I didn't realize there were that many. I remember, I didn't. 214 00:11:09,240 --> 00:11:12,480 Speaker 2: I didn't follow this trial as closely as I had others. 215 00:11:12,480 --> 00:11:14,760 Speaker 2: I think maybe it was a little bit before my time. 216 00:11:14,840 --> 00:11:19,040 Speaker 2: But yes, ten counts of child molestation. And to think, 217 00:11:19,520 --> 00:11:22,800 Speaker 2: with all of that testimony and all of the eyes 218 00:11:22,800 --> 00:11:26,240 Speaker 2: in that courtroom, he was found not guilty on all 219 00:11:26,679 --> 00:11:27,760 Speaker 2: ten counts. 220 00:11:27,840 --> 00:11:30,360 Speaker 3: So how long did the jury take to come up 221 00:11:30,360 --> 00:11:31,120 Speaker 3: with that decision? 222 00:11:32,160 --> 00:11:34,480 Speaker 2: It was quite a while, and that's understandable given all 223 00:11:34,480 --> 00:11:38,480 Speaker 2: the testimonies. Seven days, thirty plus hours the jury deliberated 224 00:11:38,520 --> 00:11:43,920 Speaker 2: and ultimately unanimously agreed that he was not guilty of 225 00:11:43,960 --> 00:11:45,360 Speaker 2: those heinous charges. 226 00:11:45,640 --> 00:11:48,040 Speaker 1: You know, how do you divide that up? How many 227 00:11:48,080 --> 00:11:53,120 Speaker 1: hours a day is that? If you do seven days, 228 00:11:53,160 --> 00:11:55,120 Speaker 1: it's thirty. 229 00:11:54,280 --> 00:11:56,679 Speaker 3: Five hours minus five hours a day or. 230 00:11:58,120 --> 00:12:01,520 Speaker 1: Yeah, on a four to five hours a day. This jury, 231 00:12:01,559 --> 00:12:03,360 Speaker 1: I'm curious to know what they what they have the 232 00:12:03,400 --> 00:12:05,840 Speaker 1: stomach for, how they're doing. They're exhausted. This is the 233 00:12:05,960 --> 00:12:07,840 Speaker 1: end for them. It's all emotional. I wonder what this 234 00:12:07,920 --> 00:12:11,480 Speaker 1: diddy jury. They're working nine to five at this point. 235 00:12:11,880 --> 00:12:13,640 Speaker 1: Oh the fourth they're out of there by the fourth 236 00:12:13,640 --> 00:12:13,960 Speaker 1: of July. 237 00:12:14,200 --> 00:12:16,200 Speaker 3: Oh yes, I think they'd have. 238 00:12:16,160 --> 00:12:18,640 Speaker 1: To be all right. And the last one here we 239 00:12:18,679 --> 00:12:22,160 Speaker 1: have for you had to. This is an oldie, Charles Manson, 240 00:12:23,440 --> 00:12:28,920 Speaker 1: facing some very serious charges, yes, serious and a lot. 241 00:12:29,400 --> 00:12:31,160 Speaker 1: He was tried I think with three other women were 242 00:12:31,240 --> 00:12:33,440 Speaker 1: on his followers were on trial with him on this one. 243 00:12:33,800 --> 00:12:37,559 Speaker 1: Found guilty on twenty seven counts of first degree murder 244 00:12:37,600 --> 00:12:41,040 Speaker 1: and conspiracy. I believe this is back in nineteen seventy one. 245 00:12:41,400 --> 00:12:43,520 Speaker 1: And as you could imagine, this jury took some time. 246 00:12:44,040 --> 00:12:47,840 Speaker 2: Yes, but I didn't realize it was twenty seven counts 247 00:12:47,880 --> 00:12:51,280 Speaker 2: of first degree murder and conspiracy. So yes, the jury 248 00:12:51,840 --> 00:12:54,880 Speaker 2: took its time coming up. Can you imagine just going 249 00:12:54,920 --> 00:13:00,240 Speaker 2: through the evidence of twenty seven counts of murder and 250 00:13:00,320 --> 00:13:03,400 Speaker 2: each individual person is a victim that matters, that needs 251 00:13:03,440 --> 00:13:06,080 Speaker 2: to be considered, So yes, it took them nine days, 252 00:13:07,120 --> 00:13:12,280 Speaker 2: forty three hours of exhaustive deliberations to come up with 253 00:13:12,360 --> 00:13:20,439 Speaker 2: that guilty verdict.