Speaker 1: Look man, oh I see you? Why why? And look
Speaker 1: over there? How is that culture? Yes? Goodness lest culture calling?
Speaker 1: How's it going? Girl? You know what I hoped would
Speaker 1: have worked out by the time we were going to
Speaker 1: record that I was going to be all caught up
Speaker 1: on Mayor of East Town. So the only so you've
Speaker 1: watched four out of the five episode I'm in the
Speaker 1: middle of smack dab in the middle of episode five Illusions,
Speaker 1: which has the internet a buzz in the twist. Don't
Speaker 1: go on the internet. Don't go on the internet because
Speaker 1: it will be ruined for the girl. And what happens
Speaker 1: in the last ten minutes is as they say, peak TV. Okay,
Speaker 1: you know how much I love a twist because I
Speaker 1: have I have said on record that Wrecket Ralph is
Speaker 1: one of the best movies in film history because of
Speaker 1: the twist in that movie. And you never see it coming.
Speaker 1: No wait, you might have to educate a girl. What's
Speaker 1: the twist? And wreck itt Ralph? So okay, and spoiler
Speaker 1: alert for let's just say spoil because you know the readers,
Speaker 1: they come for us. If the readers have not seen
Speaker 1: Record Ralph, you owe it to yourself to see it.
Speaker 1: Run done for the whole fun, for the whole family.
Speaker 1: Don't walk. This is basically the gist of it. So
Speaker 1: it takes place at this arcade, right, and all the
Speaker 1: world's are different arcade, you know, uh, screens, monitors, whatever.
Speaker 1: Absolutely so, then the entire sort of world building and
Speaker 1: the world building in the movie. Everyone keeps referencing this. Um,
Speaker 1: oh gosh, let me look this up. Hold on, hold on,
Speaker 1: hold on, We're not no no no, no, no no,
Speaker 1: the movie that he's so proud of. No, no, no.
Speaker 1: I think there's a twist and record Ralf. I think
Speaker 1: there is a situation that is creative. I think the
Speaker 1: twist is maybe all the video game characters. No no, no, no,
Speaker 1: that's not the twist. Okay, here we're back. Okay, we're back.
Speaker 1: But there's no gonna be no and the whole and
Speaker 1: the whole Like first two acts, I would say they
Speaker 1: reference Going Turbo, which means, um, going rogue in your
Speaker 1: own video game and then demanding to be in another
Speaker 1: video game so that you you sort of like hack
Speaker 1: the video So Turbo was the most popular racing game
Speaker 1: in the eighties, and then another racing game came in
Speaker 1: the nineties and Turbo got jealous, and so then Turbo
Speaker 1: invades the nineties video game and breaks it and then
Speaker 1: Has and then Has is never seen again, and you're like,
Speaker 1: you can't go. You can't go Turbo, you can't hop
Speaker 1: video games. So then you find out in Sarah Silverman's world,
Speaker 1: Sugar Rush, it's a it's a candy based video game,
Speaker 1: and the ruler of that world is King Candy, and
Speaker 1: King Candy hates Vanellope, calls her a glitch, says, you
Speaker 1: know you can't race, you can't race, you can't race.
Speaker 1: Turns out, Venelope, Sarah Silverman's character was the queen of
Speaker 1: Sugar rush Land, and King Candy is actually Turbo, and
Speaker 1: Turbo invaded the game long ago, and it's the way
Speaker 1: that the twist is revealed. The execution of it. I mean,
Speaker 1: it's Alan too giving you an amazing Disney it's Alan Tude,
Speaker 1: It's first Disney villain perform voice acting king, voice actin
Speaker 1: King and true true dime. I must say good ten
Speaker 1: out of yes. And he's not one that gets talked
Speaker 1: about often as we don't. We don't talk about Alan Tuteck.
Speaker 1: You know, they talk about Chris Evans, they talk about
Speaker 1: Chris Pine. They talk about all the chris Is, and
Speaker 1: they don't talk about Alan Tutic And it's actually it's
Speaker 1: rule culture number fifty six. They don't. They talk about
Speaker 1: Alan and smashing Alan tut they don't. And look at
Speaker 1: if you know, if you're unclear on what he looks like.
Speaker 1: Everyone go look at a picture and then try not
Speaker 1: to touch your cock or whatever you got going on
Speaker 1: down there. Okay, but I just want to say so
Speaker 1: for everyone at home that sort of was following that
Speaker 1: long twist of record, Ralph, you know that it's a
Speaker 1: lot simpler and marabast town. Um, I gotta tell you,
Speaker 1: you know how you are like sort of famously always
Speaker 1: at odds with neighbors and people that live around here.
Speaker 1: So I can now join the fray. I have a
Speaker 1: real situation on my hands. You've been in this building,
Speaker 1: you've been in this department for a while now, it's
Speaker 1: it's it's been in this building for a while now.
Speaker 1: I haven't had any problems. Now I have the person
Speaker 1: who's moved above me, blessting at I'm not even kidding.
Speaker 1: To thirty in the morning, Only one song, Only one song,
Speaker 1: Ariana Grande p O V. I love to see me
Speaker 1: from your point of that. And we love that song.
Speaker 1: We love Ari and we congratulate her on her wedding.
Speaker 1: But I don't want to hear this song one more time.
Speaker 1: I'm going up there, I swear to christ It's it's
Speaker 1: at that point. I'm okay, I'll do it ready, Hi,
Speaker 1: it's what do you It's three in the moning I
Speaker 1: live downstairs. I love this song too. I can't hear
Speaker 1: it again. And it's really literally almost three in the morning.
Speaker 1: And I'm so sorry that this is gonna have to
Speaker 1: be my energy. But like it's you, it's so loud,
Speaker 1: you're so right. I'm so sorry. I'm gonna I'm gonna
Speaker 1: keep it down. What's your name? What's your name? I
Speaker 1: love your Wait, No, you're Matt Rogers. I love your podcast.
Speaker 1: Uh no, um no, that's not me. You're you're thinking
Speaker 1: of Bowen Yang. He's a bit. No. I'm going on
Speaker 1: Jim wat right now, and I'm d m M that
Speaker 1: you were a fucking bitch to me, not doom. We
Speaker 1: have to announce something. Matt Rodgers is Jim Wafing who
Speaker 1: cares No, No, he has been sighted everybody. I was
Speaker 1: spotted walking with a nice coffee. There's no better way
Speaker 1: to be spotted. We spotted Matt Rodgers walking with an
Speaker 1: nice coffee across honey. Guess who's praying to accurately be
Speaker 1: spotted on Jim Ont said if someone saying, oh, I
Speaker 1: saw an Asian guy with glasses walking around Madison Square Park,
Speaker 1: I've I have not set foot in that park in
Speaker 1: two years. How many times have they been wrong about
Speaker 1: it being you? Um, I would say, oh, let's say
Speaker 1: it's been five times. Four out of the five times
Speaker 1: they've been wrong. Oh that doesn't feel good. It's not good.
Speaker 1: And then I and then I even like I didn't
Speaker 1: even tag them. There are there are some Caroline cow
Speaker 1: all the Ways ship and they're looking through their indirects
Speaker 1: and being like, oh, this person just talked about Jim
Speaker 1: Wat did not tag them. And then they reached out
Speaker 1: to me and said, oh my god, it's not you,
Speaker 1: and I go, no, usually isn't. And I was like,
Speaker 1: it's not your fault. It's just none of these things
Speaker 1: are verifiable. And then it's just so funny that Jim's
Speaker 1: fucking bio. They say none of what we post is
Speaker 1: ever based in fact. I'm not even that's not I'm
Speaker 1: not even just pair, I'm not even Yeah, it's that
Speaker 1: that is exactly what they say. And yet it's like
Speaker 1: they kind of fancy themselves a news outlet. Well it's
Speaker 1: a new kind of tabloid essentially, That's what it is is.
Speaker 1: It's a tabloid because any old person can say, hey,
Speaker 1: I heard this, saw this, did this? Was this? I mean,
Speaker 1: and they're like, you said, so you gotta take it
Speaker 1: with a grain of s grain of as like everything.
Speaker 1: I God bless them through kind of breaking the Army
Speaker 1: hammer thing, but I don't know, well, you know that's
Speaker 1: a that's a tragic one. And you know I met
Speaker 1: Army Hammer. Didn't seem I and I this is what
Speaker 1: this is what I always say now about army didn't
Speaker 1: seem like accountable, didn't seem like what does that mean
Speaker 1: some people? And you're like, I don't know about them.
Speaker 1: They might be accountable, couldn't have smelled less like accountable
Speaker 1: to me. But you know who you know who is
Speaker 1: eating right now? You know who's eating this week in
Speaker 1: terms of like fucking getting getting everything that she fucking
Speaker 1: deserves and needs. The host of the MTV movie and
Speaker 1: TV Awards Unscripted. Thank you very fucking much that happened
Speaker 1: this week. Doom is never gonna funk this up. They're
Speaker 1: going to know exactly who this is when they see her.
Speaker 1: You're not going to mistake her for someone else. She's
Speaker 1: been fucking killing it in the zoom so far. Fucking
Speaker 1: like you should see what's going on. We had a
Speaker 1: discussion beforehand of the sort of applying makeup without even
Speaker 1: really thinking about it. Thing. She can she can she
Speaker 1: can apply in her waterline without a mirror. Oh my god,
Speaker 1: Oh my god. Stunning. The host of the daily podcast,
Speaker 1: the nick Glazer Podcast, name of the Year. You know
Speaker 1: exactly who hosts this fucking show. You know exactly, Only
Speaker 1: the chumps don't know. And you gotta buy a techt
Speaker 1: to see her alive and her fucking nationwide tour one
Speaker 1: night with Nicky Glazer starting July, going all the way
Speaker 1: through January. Baby, that's about a half a year for
Speaker 1: all about a half freaks out there. Look we we
Speaker 1: we can say one of my favorites stand ups, Oh,
Speaker 1: one of my favorites. Also, did you know this? Do
Speaker 1: you remember when we went to Nicki and Sarah when
Speaker 1: we went to Nicki and Sarah Alive and went to
Speaker 1: a taping of Nicki and Sarah Alive. Get this. I
Speaker 1: think it was a decade ago. Wow, it was so
Speaker 1: we're nearing the tenure, but that was like, that was
Speaker 1: like a cool moment. I was like, oh my god,
Speaker 1: we're at this like dually co hosted women's like like
Speaker 1: a female old City of t RL. You couldn't have
Speaker 1: told this it was. It was. It was the moment
Speaker 1: of the year. And she's like sort of reminiscing right
Speaker 1: now after this, everyone please well them to your ears. Nicky,
Speaker 1: Oh my god, I have so many people to think that. Seriously,
Speaker 1: I feel honored, so honored that you went there. That
Speaker 1: was really nice that all those things you just said,
Speaker 1: But the fact that you guys were in the crowd
Speaker 1: for Nicky and Sarah Live taping makes me just feel
Speaker 1: so good. It makes me feel so cool because you
Speaker 1: guys are so freaking funny and like that. You would
Speaker 1: have been into me when you were like younger and
Speaker 1: and excited by all of that just as much as
Speaker 1: I was, because I was dying at the fact that
Speaker 1: I was in the Tyrrel studio and to do this
Speaker 1: dream and like not really knowing what I was doing,
Speaker 1: but that just means a lot to me and I
Speaker 1: have so God, you guys are so so fun and
Speaker 1: funny and that was such a joy to listen to
Speaker 1: your conversation. I have so much to like talk about
Speaker 1: that stuff. Armiehammer, by the way, so much more than
Speaker 1: just alleged cannibal He have you guys heard about? Was
Speaker 1: like the rape, Like have you heard? Because I and
Speaker 1: then you heard the realty and it was just That's
Speaker 1: the thing is, whenever that comes up, I love to
Speaker 1: clarify and be like we can go ha ha. He
Speaker 1: eats humans, but he raped a girl that he had
Speaker 1: convinced was his girlfriend. She had met his mom. He
Speaker 1: had gone to Texas to me his mom read the
Speaker 1: Vanity Fair article about him. If you really want to
Speaker 1: feel like you like read a book and like learn
Speaker 1: something that will help you in life. Because this knowledge
Speaker 1: I'm letting people know m is not like a punchline
Speaker 1: about like because I just missed the cannibal stuff. I
Speaker 1: honestly thought it was like funny because I was like,
Speaker 1: I don't know, it's kind of I could see saying
Speaker 1: some really fucked up things when I'm horny that I
Speaker 1: don't really want to do or like you, and then
Speaker 1: you saw the branding and you're like all the time, Like, honestly,
Speaker 1: if the things you said or like and you can
Speaker 1: get horny enough, guy's text dumb stuff And I don't
Speaker 1: think shame. So if you like to fantasize about eating
Speaker 1: body parts but you don't do it, I don't care,
Speaker 1: Like who cares. I could be into it. I could
Speaker 1: probably love a guy and be like, yeah, you can
Speaker 1: tell me you're gonna eat me, eat me up. Also,
Speaker 1: it's just like I don't know about you, guys, but
Speaker 1: sometimes like I'll like after I sexed or whatever, I'll
Speaker 1: look back at what I said and are you guys
Speaker 1: just always like oh my god. Or sometimes like right
Speaker 1: after watchorn and you think about what you've seen, you're like, wow,
Speaker 1: that's like a base level of sexuality and humanity that
Speaker 1: I may never want to return to. But no, I will, yes,
Speaker 1: and you will. You will be back. I started doing
Speaker 1: this thing where I I used to send myself. It
Speaker 1: was so hard for me to find the kind of
Speaker 1: porn I liked, and it would always find like I
Speaker 1: was just uh, So often I would just stop master
Speaker 1: reading because I'm like, there's nothing that will do it.
Speaker 1: And then I'd find this specific thing and I'd send
Speaker 1: it to myself, so I had an email chain to
Speaker 1: myself after if it made me calm, I would like
Speaker 1: send it to myself. And I've anymore because I've gotten
Speaker 1: it's become easier because I've become kind of dependent on porn.
Speaker 1: I found. I found a way to make born work
Speaker 1: for me in a very efficient way. Still thinks me
Speaker 1: about forty minutes. But I'm like a scribe subscribe member.
Speaker 1: I spent like a hundred bucks a month on porn
Speaker 1: like good, okay, good, You're not alone. I subscribe to
Speaker 1: Seaun Cody, Cocky Boys, Gay Hoopla. I'm on like four
Speaker 1: people's only fans. Yeah, I'm spending dollars on my point
Speaker 1: and I feel good about it. But I weren't wonder
Speaker 1: sometimes if that is, you know, over indulging or is
Speaker 1: that becoming addiction? Like when do I have to go
Speaker 1: let me cut back because maybe they'll make me want
Speaker 1: real people? Is that why I'm single? But I gotta
Speaker 1: be honest. I was hooking up recently, like pretty frequently,
Speaker 1: and I missed my Dungeon girls. I was like, I
Speaker 1: gotta go visit the girls at the dungeon. Make sure
Speaker 1: I gotta refill their water bowls. Like I felt like
Speaker 1: I like girls. I left because I watched some weird
Speaker 1: like kind of you know, like b DSM stuff, and
Speaker 1: I felt like I kind of miss master my ladies,
Speaker 1: my girls that are just like you know, pushing themselves
Speaker 1: to the limit and training really hard to be like
Speaker 1: the best left they can be. Like that's what my
Speaker 1: genre is. Like a girl. It's it's the portant version
Speaker 1: of me. It's like I like gang bangs because it's
Speaker 1: a girl that's just like stuggling so much, and you're like,
Speaker 1: how does she do all that? And forward in an
Speaker 1: industry you that they said I couldn't make it. Yes,
Speaker 1: it doesn't, just how does she do all that? Like
Speaker 1: I really do feel like I'm in a gang bang
Speaker 1: in show business sometimes with like the podcasting and like
Speaker 1: the the I have to prepare for this monologue I'm
Speaker 1: about to give on this show. Also I have to
Speaker 1: do falon Like they're like, don't forget the gang bang.
Speaker 1: It is a gang bang. I really like to watch
Speaker 1: a girl get it and be and when the guys
Speaker 1: are like the thing that's rare though, and they tell
Speaker 1: her a good job. They that's where all it is
Speaker 1: is like it's mostly like anger at her and like
Speaker 1: like kind of it's just too rough where you're like
Speaker 1: be impressed by her. It's rare that you'll find people
Speaker 1: that are like and a dress and has this great
Speaker 1: chock where she's gonna say this is really good. She
Speaker 1: just just just like that you would do understand up
Speaker 1: where she was like my my favorite. The point I
Speaker 1: wish I could see is that a girl's at a
Speaker 1: gang bang and then after it's done, you see her
Speaker 1: walk to her car. You see her get walks to
Speaker 1: a car and like and make sure that she like
Speaker 1: rounds at the corner around like the guy checks in
Speaker 1: later and it's like this responsible thing. But it's like
Speaker 1: it's not what we see. And that's how you know
Speaker 1: that women are not creating the porn. It's so true.
Speaker 1: You just want the guy to like be be like
Speaker 1: concerned for your well being. And the thing is gangbangs
Speaker 1: are not really They're like they seem like they would
Speaker 1: feel amazing if they're done right for a girl. And
Speaker 1: I feel like guys a lot of times view them
Speaker 1: as like she this is not for her, this is
Speaker 1: for us, and I'm like, no, this is for me.
Speaker 1: That would be for me. I mean I've never done it,
Speaker 1: but I would like I put myself in that all
Speaker 1: the time. I don't know if it's something I have
Speaker 1: to do before I find the one or if it's
Speaker 1: something that I want to do once I find the one.
Speaker 1: And then I'm like, so if I meet a guy
Speaker 1: and he's like, I'm not into that stuff, I'm like, oh,
Speaker 1: do I need to go get to go to a
Speaker 1: sex club and get that done? Or am I only
Speaker 1: going to live that through fantasy? Because sometimes I'm watching
Speaker 1: this stuff and I go, you have enough money make
Speaker 1: this happen, like like I can pay for this experience,
Speaker 1: or like, you know, I've I have the connections to
Speaker 1: find the people that will make this a reality for me,
Speaker 1: and I could be it could be a private way,
Speaker 1: and I'm why don't I just do that, you know
Speaker 1: what I mean? But I'm also terrified of it and
Speaker 1: want to keep it in the computer. And also, you're
Speaker 1: already in the gang bang of show business, like you
Speaker 1: don't need something you can't add. Curator of a porn
Speaker 1: website to that list. I mean, I just don't think
Speaker 1: it would work with the dates. But if it becomes
Speaker 1: a passion project, then I can make time for it,
Speaker 1: you know, like if it really is something, if it
Speaker 1: becomes like a hoby because I was like maybe because
Speaker 1: I was struggling with hobbies over the pandemic, Like I'm like,
Speaker 1: I don't think I do much other things than work,
Speaker 1: and now I'm exploring, like what do I like really
Speaker 1: like And I'm like, maybe, like that kind of world
Speaker 1: could be a interesting thing, but um um, I'll start
Speaker 1: with guitar before a stranger exactly. Anytime someone asks me
Speaker 1: what my hobbies are, I don't know what to say,
Speaker 1: and I think it's a more natural response or it
Speaker 1: just would make sense for me to be like, oh,
Speaker 1: sex would be a hobby of mine, or like learning
Speaker 1: to like do things in a specific way sexually could
Speaker 1: be a hobby of mine. I've never actually gone down
Speaker 1: this path though, Well this is this is why it's
Speaker 1: getting weird for me, and like in the quarantine, like
Speaker 1: because you're trying to especially like early on when it
Speaker 1: was like I really wasn't sucking that much before I
Speaker 1: started to st step out and do all that. Like
Speaker 1: I I started using poppers when I was jacking off,
Speaker 1: and unfortunately, like it's so good and sort of takes
Speaker 1: you there to the point where it's like there was
Speaker 1: a point where like I was doing it like every day,
Speaker 1: and I was like, no, the brain cell laws. It
Speaker 1: just like not going to ultimately be good for me.
Speaker 1: I'm telling you, fully addicted to ammal nitrate. It was like, wait,
Speaker 1: what water poppers? Please explain this to me. Heard of that,
Speaker 1: but I don't understand came here because it sounds like
Speaker 1: something I want to get into. I think you would
Speaker 1: actually love them, Nikki, Okay, so bones a chemistry major,
Speaker 1: so he can sort of like break through what a
Speaker 1: popper really is. So I think I think you would
Speaker 1: love them. They're they're they're they're they're ammal nitrates. Um,
Speaker 1: they're basically they're advertised their their packaged as VC are
Speaker 1: cleaner al polished remover. But they're inhalence through your nostrils
Speaker 1: and it just gives get them maskim demonstrate. I have
Speaker 1: them in my bedroom, but it's a little bit further away.
Speaker 1: So but they very active. No no, no, no, no,
Speaker 1: it's I don't think they're there. They're not habit forming
Speaker 1: or anything that you you inhale them. One nostrils matskna demonstrate,
Speaker 1: so maskwa demonstrate. So what we have here is like
Speaker 1: you see, it's it's called rush. This is like sort
Speaker 1: of like the Coca Cola of of poppers, sort of
Speaker 1: ubiquitous brand, not necessarily the best. So maybe that's not
Speaker 1: the best analogy, but um so masna demonstrate. And it
Speaker 1: just gives you this head you're doing what, Yeah, it
Speaker 1: gives you this head rush and and it vaso dilates
Speaker 1: you so that it loosens up, loosens you up. Right,
Speaker 1: So there's gonna be period where feeling really good and
Speaker 1: you're gonna see me sweat and it's and it's quick.
Speaker 1: But right now, like if I wanted to ease onto
Speaker 1: a dick right now, it would be like a lot easier. Okay,
Speaker 1: I know. So this is this is the thing that
Speaker 1: helps you relax for anal sex. But why but why
Speaker 1: jerking off is this helpful if you're not having a
Speaker 1: penetration it helps. Sometimes I'll do poppers when I'm watching
Speaker 1: porn just to like like what Matt said, take me
Speaker 1: there and like transport me mindset wise, and I do
Speaker 1: feel like much hornier in that in that high space. Matt,
Speaker 1: how you feeling? I mean, I feel amazing. Oh my god,
Speaker 1: why don't you do it all the time. Then I'm
Speaker 1: like that with weed, like weed makes me feel amazing,
Speaker 1: and then I want to do it over and over
Speaker 1: and then you it starts to not work and then
Speaker 1: you're like, oh, this is just gross, and it's like
Speaker 1: that to me is dangerous. But I I completely understand
Speaker 1: what because for I, like I love anal sex. It
Speaker 1: feels fucking awesome, yes, and an you got. And the
Speaker 1: thing is, I just and I don't understand when people
Speaker 1: are like, oh, that's for gay guys. It's like assholes
Speaker 1: aren't different than other guys. Like if it feels amazing
Speaker 1: to you, it feels like that, and I won't actually
Speaker 1: won't have it. And now I'm like, you need to
Speaker 1: you need to go out and like find poppers now,
Speaker 1: especially you love anal sex, you need well. I love it. Well.
Speaker 1: The thing is, that's my favorite part of porn is
Speaker 1: like that part where you can tell the girl, like
Speaker 1: when they tell the girl to relax, because it's the
Speaker 1: only way because it's total surrender. It's like you are
Speaker 1: completely submissive. It's like and it's the opposite of I
Speaker 1: actually don't like to be doing too much like I
Speaker 1: like to be like in my real life. I like
Speaker 1: to be very like in control in bedroom nothing and
Speaker 1: like when you actually let it dick and you're ask
Speaker 1: and you're able to relax enough to have that happen naturally,
Speaker 1: it's hard to do. It's really that's hard to do.
Speaker 1: And you to be able to have that experience just
Speaker 1: brought on by something that you put up your ass,
Speaker 1: is what you know, you sniff it or do you
Speaker 1: sniff it? I mean and then and then it could
Speaker 1: be more comfortable to put something up grass, which is
Speaker 1: really the reason why you do it. But the thing
Speaker 1: is with but it's so do you find it hard
Speaker 1: to put something up your ass, like let's say your
Speaker 1: mastering and off some time, because for me, I can't.
Speaker 1: I can't do. That's my biggest complaint about masturbation is
Speaker 1: like I need a fucking machine. I want something, and
Speaker 1: I actually do have. Most of my dildos have a
Speaker 1: thing that makes them move into pend so that it
Speaker 1: feels like someone else because I need that and I
Speaker 1: need clip so I need like to yeh, want something
Speaker 1: up my ask. So so it's like I need I
Speaker 1: need three hands to really get the job done and
Speaker 1: the way I want um. But yeah, masturbation for me
Speaker 1: is the whole process because of that. But do you
Speaker 1: when you masturbate you guys, do you stick something up
Speaker 1: your ask? Will you put a finger or something or
Speaker 1: like a toy. I've done that. I started doing that
Speaker 1: in the fall, just to like because sometimes just to
Speaker 1: be totally easy because the weather changed, because the weather,
Speaker 1: just to leave the foiliest. I've been having trouble in
Speaker 1: the handful of times i've I've bottomed, I've just had sex. Recently,
Speaker 1: I'm having trouble coming while something is inside me. The
Speaker 1: thing they don't tell you about anal sex is that
Speaker 1: it does hurt every time in the beginning, like like
Speaker 1: it's not something where it's like you do it enough
Speaker 1: times and it's like, oh, forget it now, you can
Speaker 1: just slip in when when the dick first go goes in.
Speaker 1: I think it does hurt every time, and there is
Speaker 1: that period of adjustment, which is why these are so handy,
Speaker 1: and also just the mentality and the knowledge of the
Speaker 1: fact that like the pain is a part of it
Speaker 1: in the beginning, and then I'm off to the y.
Speaker 1: And I spent my entire twenties so afraid of bottoming.
Speaker 1: I mean, I'm telling you, like the pain is not
Speaker 1: something I like to embrace. But I mean, like Boom
Speaker 1: will tell you, I had like such a complex about
Speaker 1: this from my whole twenties, Like was that were you
Speaker 1: scared of the pain or the well both, I guess right,
Speaker 1: because like the poop is such as the pain, I
Speaker 1: was like I could take it. Yeah, there's such a
Speaker 1: pot of poop. And I've prepared poorly several times, and
Speaker 1: I look forward to now, like just committing to this
Speaker 1: is something I enjoy and this is how I prepare
Speaker 1: for it and not just winging it. Mm hmmah yeah,
Speaker 1: no, no no no. But the same time, it's like I
Speaker 1: have to give gray I get. I also give grace. Now.
Speaker 1: It's like whenever anyone feels they prepared and they obviously haven't,
Speaker 1: I just give them the grace that I know I
Speaker 1: would want given to me, you know what I mean.
Speaker 1: And this is the only way I'm even close to
Speaker 1: a Christian. It's like I give grace when it comes
Speaker 1: to bottoming. I hope to receive grace if there's a
Speaker 1: little bit of poop at the end. Guess what we
Speaker 1: just fucked in our assholes. So it's actually okay and
Speaker 1: no one's gonna be dead. Like there's so much like
Speaker 1: like this, like weird like ick factor around poop during sex.
Speaker 1: And I believe we talked about this recently. Did we
Speaker 1: not bo of what I've just poop? Being president? That
Speaker 1: ick factored on on during sex about repoop? Yeah, we have,
Speaker 1: we have, we have, yeah, And it's just like it's gotta,
Speaker 1: we gotta, we gotta end the stigma. Well, the only
Speaker 1: thing I I understand the shame around pooping, like let
Speaker 1: it go. And I was able to do that, Like
Speaker 1: if I should on a guy, I'm like, you're the
Speaker 1: one with your dick in my ass, Like this is
Speaker 1: that's where I do that. It's like the actually the
Speaker 1: primary use of that is that so it shouldn't be
Speaker 1: a surprise. And I've had boyfriends really handle it very
Speaker 1: perfectly and not make me feel bad. Change the bed
Speaker 1: sheets while I'm in the shower still and I come back,
Speaker 1: it's like a fresh bed. It's like it never happened.
Speaker 1: It's like really sweet things. But the thing that bumps
Speaker 1: me out is like it smells like ship in the room.
Speaker 1: You know, like if you like the second the ship
Speaker 1: smells introduced to sex, it like makes me it makes
Speaker 1: you lose your guy loses erection. It makes me like,
Speaker 1: oh my god, am I like it's the smell. But
Speaker 1: if you got if you lost your smell in COVID,
Speaker 1: then it's really no problem. That's the benefit of losing
Speaker 1: it all the anal I want, that's the benefit of
Speaker 1: that's the benefit of COVID. Yeah, just silver lining. Now
Speaker 1: I get anti vaxers, They're like, well, I'm hoping to
Speaker 1: get it, so my sense of smell goes away, so
Speaker 1: I don't smell poop when I get fun in my ass.
Speaker 1: It's like, okay, anti perspective, that is the one I
Speaker 1: will allow. I have one friend who is scared of needles,
Speaker 1: and I have one wants to have anal sex with
Speaker 1: a banda and the smell like ruined the mood. Were
Speaker 1: you on an island recently? Are? Yeah? We talked about
Speaker 1: this because we we we weren't following along the saga necessarily,
Speaker 1: But tell us what's what's happened on the island. Yes,
Speaker 1: I um, well, I can't talk about what I was doing,
Speaker 1: but I was, well, I I can't say I was
Speaker 1: I was on a show there. I was doing a
Speaker 1: new show and sell me a new show on location,
Speaker 1: which is like the greatest time of my entire life,
Speaker 1: just like being with a big group of people, meeting
Speaker 1: new people. We we there's no COVID in it came
Speaker 1: in Islands on Grand Camons, so we quarantined for two
Speaker 1: weeks and then we were free to roam about the
Speaker 1: country at our late leisure for two whole months making
Speaker 1: a show. And it was a show that I signed
Speaker 1: on for because I just it just fit with everything
Speaker 1: I want to do in life, Like it just was
Speaker 1: like I after COVID, I was just like I only
Speaker 1: want to do things that are like fun and weird
Speaker 1: and just seem like an adventure. And I was scared
Speaker 1: to go because it's just like I was just scared
Speaker 1: to be social. I was scared to be somewhere where
Speaker 1: like the world was open again and like I have
Speaker 1: to be social and make friends and but in terms
Speaker 1: of the work, I was just in a zone where
Speaker 1: it was like I had no nerves about it. I'm like,
Speaker 1: I've got this, Like I they made the right choice
Speaker 1: with me very confident going into it, so I was
Speaker 1: able to just have so much freaking fun and uh.
Speaker 1: And I lived in the Cayman Islands and then the
Speaker 1: show wrapped and I didn't want to go home. I
Speaker 1: just stayed alone. I met some friends like I've met
Speaker 1: like my makeup artist. I became really good friends. So
Speaker 1: I made some friends that were able, but I just stayed.
Speaker 1: I couldn't let it go. I just like stayed on
Speaker 1: the island for two weeks in this joke hotel that
Speaker 1: was like sweets are usually four thousand dollars a night,
Speaker 1: and I got them for six under a night, which
Speaker 1: is still a lot of money. But like, I was
Speaker 1: living large in the Cayman Islands for two weeks by myself,
Speaker 1: just like processing what I had been through and being
Speaker 1: grateful and just dreading going back to the States, like
Speaker 1: to wear masks again and then and then now I'm
Speaker 1: back to the grind but and live in St. Louis.
Speaker 1: But it was it was just the best location is legit.
Speaker 1: It's like summer camp. God, wow, have you guys ever
Speaker 1: done that? Have you ever been on like a thing
Speaker 1: somewhere where everyone's kind of there for just a short
Speaker 1: amount of time. I'm about I'm about you, but it
Speaker 1: sounds like a fucking dream. It's if you're with the
Speaker 1: right people and find your right group, it is. It's
Speaker 1: like it really is summer camp. It was so fun
Speaker 1: and I'm with a bunch of people that have been
Speaker 1: doing this forever, so I'm like, is this like the
Speaker 1: best and they're like, you'll get you, You'll see. But
Speaker 1: I was having I was so enthusiastic about it, Like
Speaker 1: this is the life I want because I guess just
Speaker 1: traveling all the time doing stand up you never are
Speaker 1: somewhere long enough where you learn where you're you are,
Speaker 1: you know the coffee shop, you like to go to,
Speaker 1: the restaurants, and like you just the people are always different.
Speaker 1: And I was just like it's just so nice to
Speaker 1: like show up to a place and like they're the
Speaker 1: same people and like, I don't know, I'm just stand up.
Speaker 1: I'm looking forward to getting back into it, but I'm
Speaker 1: making it a whole like my tour. It is just
Speaker 1: gonna be me with a caravan of friends. Gotta gotta
Speaker 1: keep it as fun as possible. I'm not doing any
Speaker 1: more work. That's not fun. I can't write, but I've
Speaker 1: only just I'm only just now able to write. Are
Speaker 1: you like booked up as it like one night in
Speaker 1: this city and then the next night and another and
Speaker 1: the next night and another. Are you giving yourself some
Speaker 1: grace days? Because when we tore it was kind of
Speaker 1: we always say like, oh, we wish we had spent
Speaker 1: we've been able to land for like at least two
Speaker 1: or three days in this one spot, Like it's important
Speaker 1: because you make the place, and you're like, why did
Speaker 1: I travel if I wasn't going to actually like at
Speaker 1: least be there for two days and at least have
Speaker 1: one day in the city and then one night out
Speaker 1: of a restaurant or like a club or something or
Speaker 1: bar or whatever, like are you giving yourself that? I
Speaker 1: think it's a really good idea, but I just don't
Speaker 1: know that I can make it happen because I want
Speaker 1: to be home when I'm not working like I would like.
Speaker 1: I'm trying to have some sort of place that I
Speaker 1: can call home, and if I do that too much,
Speaker 1: I'll always be on the road. So it's just like
Speaker 1: two cities in one weekend then I'm home the rest
Speaker 1: of the time. But it's like I don't know, I'm
Speaker 1: I'm getting to the age where it's like this is
Speaker 1: getting old. This just like working every night doing standardating sets,
Speaker 1: and I don't want to live that life, and like
Speaker 1: ants like I will definitely always do stand up and
Speaker 1: always do specials and work really hard when I'm working
Speaker 1: on one. But this, I'm so glad for me that
Speaker 1: COVID maybe like figure out what I could do at
Speaker 1: night besides stand up or fill my life with besides
Speaker 1: running around doing podcasts. And it really is just opening
Speaker 1: my computer doing podcasts and then uh and and and
Speaker 1: but not doing zoom shows, like but watching TV, going
Speaker 1: to like eating dinner and then like going to bed.
Speaker 1: I've never done that in the seventeen years I've been
Speaker 1: doing stand up comedy. Is just like have an evening
Speaker 1: in if they're stand up, I will be at it
Speaker 1: and I don't want to do it anymore. Entired, No,
Speaker 1: because this is the thing in this new show that's
Speaker 1: out Hacks on HBO Max. This this this Jane Smart
Speaker 1: character like is a Joan Rivers like Philistiller type who
Speaker 1: like has just has has never stopped working in her
Speaker 1: in her life and and then like it's got me
Speaker 1: to rethink the whole way. Like people talk about like
Speaker 1: the art of showing up or whatever it's like, but
Speaker 1: showing up is actually like overrated in some ways, especially
Speaker 1: especially after you put in the hours and you like
Speaker 1: and you paid your dues and all that, Like, at
Speaker 1: a certain point you have to decide for yourself, oh,
Speaker 1: I'm not going to do uh to quote Chad Michael's
Speaker 1: and Paul's drag Rays the Chicken chick gigs, I'm not
Speaker 1: gonna do like that stuff. It's well, you know what,
Speaker 1: you really need a period of yes before you can
Speaker 1: realize what's too much? Like I had that like when
Speaker 1: I was on my on the grind and like in
Speaker 1: our twenties bow like when it was like doing a
Speaker 1: ton of ton of ton of ton of ton and
Speaker 1: then you just realize, like you have only slept for
Speaker 1: five hours the night before or maybe combined, like your
Speaker 1: sleep your average of sleep is like six seven hours
Speaker 1: for like two or three days. Do you know how
Speaker 1: good it feels to sleep eight hours a night? If
Speaker 1: you can do that, you can figure that out if
Speaker 1: you have the time and availability to eat well and sleep.
Speaker 1: It just makes you a more like valid human being.
Speaker 1: It's just so much easier. So like I get people
Speaker 1: are like, you know, whatever, self care has now become
Speaker 1: like like a sort of ghost thing to say, because
Speaker 1: it's like everyone's saying in self care, everyone's talking about it,
Speaker 1: but they got a fucking point because you know that
Speaker 1: is something that quarantine lets, you know, is it's like
Speaker 1: sometimes that pace of living, if you're always tired all
Speaker 1: the time, is not normal. It's not normal. And the
Speaker 1: self care thing, we it needs to be trendy because
Speaker 1: we are Americans work so hard that we need The
Speaker 1: only way we'll adopt something is if it is trendy
Speaker 1: and like the cool thing to do, because we don't
Speaker 1: like ourselves and we value ourselves based on how much
Speaker 1: output we do and how much we protect. Like can
Speaker 1: say that we work so that we can deserve the thing.
Speaker 1: We can't eat the thing unless we go to the
Speaker 1: class and then we can't and we can't. I can't, um,
Speaker 1: I mean, my whole life is a reward system. I
Speaker 1: can't enjoy my I can't sit down and watch TV
Speaker 1: if I haven't done anything all day, Like I can't
Speaker 1: take a nap unless I'm desperate for a nap, and
Speaker 1: it's like, why can't I just lay down because I
Speaker 1: want to. It's like I'm I'm really into that stuff
Speaker 1: now and because it feels so good and that's what
Speaker 1: we're meant to do, so I think we have to
Speaker 1: make it like trendy, so anyone does it because I'm
Speaker 1: tired of people thinking it's cool to be tired and
Speaker 1: I used to be that way. It's like of like,
Speaker 1: how much you didn't sleep and it's like you shouldn't
Speaker 1: be here, you're drunk. I don't want to hear how
Speaker 1: the p A is underslept on the show because he's
Speaker 1: driving a bus of people and he doesn't know how
Speaker 1: to drive in this country or what you know what,
Speaker 1: Like there are things there's like sleep deformation is really
Speaker 1: fucked and we're all walking around with it and are
Speaker 1: you know the screens are doing ship to us too.
Speaker 1: It's like I love sleep, but sometimes I'm just like
Speaker 1: the every day you wake up and it's like another
Speaker 1: full day of NonStop work and you when you get
Speaker 1: to the end of it, you just don't want to
Speaker 1: go to sleep because you want to do you want
Speaker 1: to be awake for some relaxation and then leads to
Speaker 1: more sleeping, Like sleeping is not what I want to
Speaker 1: do when I'm most tired for some reason. And that's
Speaker 1: actually the most sucked up thing, because it's not every
Speaker 1: night that that happens to me, but some nights it
Speaker 1: is that thing where it's like, well, I've earned some
Speaker 1: some reward for for all the work that I've put
Speaker 1: in today and and and most of the time it's
Speaker 1: just better to just know shutdown. But wait, okay, hold on,
Speaker 1: you want your you want your dates down to be
Speaker 1: like you're bringing friends, Like what's like describe like an
Speaker 1: ideal night like in in some city like with who Yeah, well,
Speaker 1: I always have my podcast uh co host Andrew Colin.
Speaker 1: He's my best friend. He's my roommate. I moved him
Speaker 1: from New York City where he was. We were always
Speaker 1: working together and he's on my radio show and he's
Speaker 1: a stand up comic and he's hoping for me on
Speaker 1: the road for a couple of years now. I moved
Speaker 1: him to St. Louis because I was living with my
Speaker 1: parents the whole pandemic. I wanted to move out of
Speaker 1: their house, but I also could not be alone. I
Speaker 1: just know that if I'm not doing stayd up every
Speaker 1: night and like socializing, then I could be alone. But
Speaker 1: so I was like, Andrew moved to St. Lewis and
Speaker 1: started this podcast with me, so every day I do
Speaker 1: this podcast with him now. So when we're going on
Speaker 1: the road now, I'm like, Okay, Andrew's opening for me,
Speaker 1: I'm gonna bring my um my other best friend, Anya Marina.
Speaker 1: She's amazing singer, did a lot of grades and animal
Speaker 1: songs back in the day, like she did her cover
Speaker 1: of t I s whatever you Like is the hottest thing.
Speaker 1: I mean, I was a sand before I was a
Speaker 1: friend and it's so sexy and um She's just she's incredible.
Speaker 1: So she opens for me. She opened for me on
Speaker 1: my last tour, so she'll be there. She's just like
Speaker 1: a calming presence. She was my tour manager last time though, too,
Speaker 1: and I and I made a change the time. I'm like,
Speaker 1: I'll pay you the same, but you're not tour managing
Speaker 1: because I want you no stress. I want you doubt
Speaker 1: to hang and be like my emotional support friend. And
Speaker 1: then I'm also I also might start getting into town
Speaker 1: the day before and during the day of my show,
Speaker 1: I might do Taylor Swift sing alongs where I play
Speaker 1: guitar and everyone comes, like to a cafe. It's like
Speaker 1: free for like swift ease, because I don't I'm playing
Speaker 1: guitar now and singing all the time, and I just
Speaker 1: want to sing Taylor Swift with other Swifties. So I
Speaker 1: might do swift e meetups also come to the right place.
Speaker 1: You know that we are about Taylor Swift so badly
Speaker 1: because no one gets it, like like I know that
Speaker 1: you guys do because I heard I heard your one
Speaker 1: where you covered folklore. I think it was I think
Speaker 1: it was right with folklore. It was so just nuanced
Speaker 1: and really came from a perspective of of two people
Speaker 1: that I know love her as much as I knew
Speaker 1: would really appreciate her. And so yeah, I just I
Speaker 1: know that as a thirty six sooner be thirty seven
Speaker 1: year old Swifty, I would want to go somewhere and
Speaker 1: sing with a bunch of other girls. So even if
Speaker 1: it's bad, which I'm not good at guitar, I'm like,
Speaker 1: we'll all saying, it will just be so fun. It
Speaker 1: just I was doing Taylor Swift Dance Party storying with Covid.
Speaker 1: I would just do a playlist and we'd all just
Speaker 1: dance on zoom like hundreds of people, and it was
Speaker 1: so fun because I just I just she really makes
Speaker 1: me happy, and I like, like I listened to I
Speaker 1: have to, Like, I watched her Grammy performance now before
Speaker 1: I go like on a podcaster if I'm on my
Speaker 1: way to a set and I'm like kind of nervous
Speaker 1: and want to get into like my energy of being
Speaker 1: like I got this, I'm a pro. Like, I watched
Speaker 1: her latest Grammy performance because it's just masterful and emotional
Speaker 1: and raw. Uh yeah, she just gets me in the
Speaker 1: right place. She goes into Willow and August, so yeah,
Speaker 1: she's Yeah. She started on uh Cargan Cardigan, August Willow.
Speaker 1: When she snuck August in there, I was like, thank
Speaker 1: you for giving August the moment, the live like Awards
Speaker 1: Show moment, because August was obviously on an album full
Speaker 1: of highlights, like it was the highlight of absolutely was
Speaker 1: the highlight and just a song that is resonated with
Speaker 1: me throughout. At the first moment I heard it, I
Speaker 1: have meet me behind the mall is like canceled my
Speaker 1: plans just in case you call back when I was
Speaker 1: living for the hope of it and meet me behind
Speaker 1: the Oh, it's so heartbreaking and like it's just it
Speaker 1: has this Christian it's it brings the bridge in very
Speaker 1: soon and then it doubles down. Is brilliant that it's
Speaker 1: all over the place and it's so good and it's
Speaker 1: and you're right, like the Pond Sessions didn't give me
Speaker 1: what I wanted. Even though Jack anson off during August
Speaker 1: on this Pond Sessions it's hilarious, but I wanted a
Speaker 1: like full I wanted her standing up off of a couch,
Speaker 1: you know, like then that gave it to me too.
Speaker 1: But August was my my number one Spotify play like
Speaker 1: it was. I couldn't stop and I and I still
Speaker 1: play it all the time. I just I just sang
Speaker 1: it with my friends. I made my friends come over
Speaker 1: and stick it with me in the courtyard. I think,
Speaker 1: where in this in this weird zone in terms of
Speaker 1: swifty age, where when you guys get on board? I
Speaker 1: was on board ever since Fearless. Yeah, I would say
Speaker 1: that when I started to when I started to become legit, legit,
Speaker 1: legit was probably the tail end of red and then
Speaker 1: into any night. So I was a little. I was
Speaker 1: a little I guess late. I know that there's like
Speaker 1: hard course make lee title. Yeah, but but when I
Speaker 1: tell you when I joined the bandwagon, I joined it
Speaker 1: hard like it was like her masterpiece. I actually I
Speaker 1: stand reputation. I stand we are this is a reputation house,
Speaker 1: this is this is one here thank you. I a reputation.
Speaker 1: I mean the whole album. I celebrate, there are no
Speaker 1: doubts on it. I was just on a subreddit, Taylor
Speaker 1: Swift subreddit, and they were ranking her songs by album.
Speaker 1: And it's funny because Taylor swifties don't we'll never say
Speaker 1: anything bad about Taylor Swift, like you know, like they
Speaker 1: we can you know, stand culture, you just don't, and
Speaker 1: that they do the surveys some teenager made it was like, uh,
Speaker 1: like you're not. They didn't say least favorite, but it
Speaker 1: was like, uh, it started with there was some way
Speaker 1: they did it so that you wouldn't be saying it
Speaker 1: was your least favorite or something like that. But it's
Speaker 1: so they're so nice and I love swift ease and
Speaker 1: that's why and I feel like I'm one. I just
Speaker 1: Taylor Swift ninety nine dropped and hearing, and I went
Speaker 1: to a Read concert and I got into Read a lot,
Speaker 1: but there was just something about nine nine and then
Speaker 1: going to that show, I just and then reputation was
Speaker 1: for me, what just like, uh, where is this? You'll
Speaker 1: never be the same, Nikki, because you are her delicate,
Speaker 1: her delicate same for the best. It steals my it's
Speaker 1: my alarm every morning. I don't get rich sick of it.
Speaker 1: I I do not get sick of that song. It's
Speaker 1: just it's disgusting. And I don't know about you, but
Speaker 1: like you said, like and I want to ask everyone
Speaker 1: what their favorite live Taylor performances, but this is one
Speaker 1: that so I might be the biggest. I know you
Speaker 1: probably do, but there for me, there's two. One. There's
Speaker 1: a live performance that she did of Treacherous, which is um.
Speaker 1: It was like um, she had like her bangs and
Speaker 1: are like her like liberal artist. The kids are sitting
Speaker 1: and she's and she is like she's just explaining it
Speaker 1: in the beginning and then does it and then it's
Speaker 1: so good. Her vocals so great. But my favorite performance
Speaker 1: of hers is Wildest Dreams from the tour, which is
Speaker 1: a uh I believe it's a mash up. Oh my god,
Speaker 1: it enchanted Wildest Dreams mash up because I'm telling you,
Speaker 1: she sings the Wildest dream Bridge over and over like
Speaker 1: three extra times, and then she does the chorus at
Speaker 1: the end, and that she gets it from the piano
Speaker 1: and starts doing her white girl stomp and she's giving
Speaker 1: you her hips and she's just given. She's so Taylor.
Speaker 1: And I also like, for me, my favorite type of
Speaker 1: song is like an emotional ballad that lifts off like
Speaker 1: I Wildest Dreams to me, is I did that thing.
Speaker 1: I don't know if you guys have done this, but
Speaker 1: like they'll like UM do like the march madness the
Speaker 1: brackets with her songs, And no matter what I do,
Speaker 1: wild the Streams always wins. And I know that no
Speaker 1: one else is saying that but me. But Wildest Dreams
Speaker 1: to me, is it? I just got into Wildest Dreams
Speaker 1: like a month ago. I know, I know, it was
Speaker 1: just one that I like, was like, it's great, I
Speaker 1: know it and I could say it, you know, I
Speaker 1: know all the lyrics, but I just really for her.
Speaker 1: I gotta feel that I have to go through what
Speaker 1: that I need. I seek out her songs to feel
Speaker 1: my feelings. I can't get there really otherwise. So I
Speaker 1: will go through when I'm going through a heartbreak or
Speaker 1: feeling like the industry is, I'll find the song and
Speaker 1: I'm and wildest dreams. I was just like seeing, like
Speaker 1: will this fit my mood today? And I go, holy shit,
Speaker 1: every aspect of what I wanted and it was just
Speaker 1: like this. It was like, it's like porn for my emotions,
Speaker 1: Like it really just like got everything out that I needed.
Speaker 1: And then the music video where she has the h
Speaker 1: but I can't wait to watch that lie. I haven't
Speaker 1: watched that live performance because enchanted. That is so good.
Speaker 1: And do you know that it was written about the
Speaker 1: lead singer of that one band that did I Get
Speaker 1: a Thousand Hugs from ten Thousand fires Flies lead singer
Speaker 1: about Sliddy? She met him at a party and she
Speaker 1: she wrote that song about him, and then by the
Speaker 1: time of she was like super famous and he found
Speaker 1: out it was about him, and he like slid back
Speaker 1: in and he like, I think wrote a song or
Speaker 1: recovered it. He covered it to day her attention again
Speaker 1: and she never acknowledged it's what's your Number? One? She
Speaker 1: had moved on. My number one line is a tie between.
Speaker 1: But they're from the same they're from the same concert
Speaker 1: quote unquote, which is her Grammy's Museum performances. What I'm
Speaker 1: talking about. It's but it's the acoustic version of blank
Speaker 1: Space and then and then it's the fucking like just
Speaker 1: like Jeff Buckley guitar version of Wild the Streams, and
Speaker 1: like both of those. She's just and also like this
Speaker 1: is so shallow, but her look was so perfect. She's
Speaker 1: just in a black and a black mock neck, black pants.
Speaker 1: Her hair was perfectly like just brushed and like gentle
Speaker 1: curl up, like curl up around the frame of her face,
Speaker 1: so poised and just perfect and confident. And she's had
Speaker 1: the Grammys too, so she's like she's she's like, she's
Speaker 1: at the top. Yeah, it was Imperial phase. We always
Speaker 1: say the star burned brightest, not not that. And the
Speaker 1: thing is she has had this many times because she's
Speaker 1: very good at reinventing sort of Madonna ask in that
Speaker 1: way where it's like, you know, there's just a constant
Speaker 1: sort of reinvention happening with her and especially now with
Speaker 1: essentially Nymph in the Woods culture that's happening, which we
Speaker 1: love like which in the woods moment, uh, but that
Speaker 1: was so she was really hitting it at that show.
Speaker 1: Oh my god, the blank space I really love I have.
Speaker 1: She she does the enter she goes and she's talking
Speaker 1: about like, you know, I'm getting ridden up all the time.
Speaker 1: It's really fun. She's she's really so like we live
Speaker 1: been obsessed with my love life and paying attention every detail.
Speaker 1: It's really fun. So imagine, like, what if that character
Speaker 1: that people think that I am wrote a song and
Speaker 1: it just I guess I never thought of that song
Speaker 1: that way, and it's that song is so great because
Speaker 1: I've started doing that version of that song, like I
Speaker 1: learned how to play a guitar the same way and
Speaker 1: and I and I'm like, I'm not good at the
Speaker 1: singers whom I'm not as good a guitarists. But I've
Speaker 1: been working on the performance of it, and I was
Speaker 1: listening to thinking about the lyrics, and I'm like, I
Speaker 1: love this song because this song is this woman psycho.
Speaker 1: And she starts out so nice, nice to meet you
Speaker 1: where you've been. Oh my god, I can show you
Speaker 1: incredible things. But then she's like, I'll find out what
Speaker 1: you want I'll be that girl for a month. Oh wait,
Speaker 1: the worst is yet to come. But she's saying it
Speaker 1: with a smile, and then it gets into like crying,
Speaker 1: screaming doors and it just becomes crazy and like she
Speaker 1: and she acts as out obviously in the music video
Speaker 1: and it was a very like very heavy handed good
Speaker 1: message but that I miss but I just love that
Speaker 1: this now I'm realizing, like, Okay, if I'm going to
Speaker 1: perform music, I'm not that good at singer and guitar,
Speaker 1: maybe I can bring some comedic value to it of
Speaker 1: like unpiecing this character of who this girl is. So
Speaker 1: it's like I've been trying to explore her songs that way,
Speaker 1: just analyzing the lyrics because there's no one better than
Speaker 1: I mean, I just I'm so so I'll get to
Speaker 1: my favorite live performance. Sorry for all of that, I
Speaker 1: will have to say. I can't get over the I
Speaker 1: cannot get over the camera fucking with her eyes she
Speaker 1: does on Betty the American Country Music Awards Acoustic showed
Speaker 1: up at your party, and she's like, guys, watch go
Speaker 1: back and watch that, and like she is looking a
Speaker 1: camera like I felt I was like aroused by it
Speaker 1: and I just thought it was like, so, I just
Speaker 1: love her very acoustic, and her outfit for that was
Speaker 1: very toned down. She did her own makeup. But then
Speaker 1: if her Cornelia Street, Um, the Paris one I really
Speaker 1: love because of that city screams your name, that like
Speaker 1: you that she reaches, it's like it's like more rugged.
Speaker 1: I just yeah, but literally every single one, she just
Speaker 1: can't go wrong. And she's gotten so much better with time,
Speaker 1: and it just it's fun to watch her old stuff
Speaker 1: because I didn't get into her until so late and
Speaker 1: just see just you know, I feel like I feel
Speaker 1: very I relate to Taylor Swift a lot, and I'm
Speaker 1: just scared she's going to have kids because then I'll
Speaker 1: stop relating to her. No, no, no, I don't think
Speaker 1: she's so aware. She's so in touch with like what
Speaker 1: people like about her that I think she'll She'll never
Speaker 1: be she'll never lose that self awareness in terms of
Speaker 1: like how it translates, how it translates to her music,
Speaker 1: or how she connects to her her listeners. Um, but wait,
Speaker 1: talk about your personal history with Taylor Swift, especially the Swifties,
Speaker 1: because because because there was that like weird time when
Speaker 1: it felt when it felt like volatile and hostile, right,
Speaker 1: and like I like I've experienced this with swifties too,
Speaker 1: or like they've come after me. They're really really sensitive,
Speaker 1: and that's what I was. I was anticipating them being very,
Speaker 1: very angry at me. They didn't come at me because
Speaker 1: I got ahead of it before they could figure out
Speaker 1: who I was. But I really ended up. So I
Speaker 1: was in the trailer for Miss Americana that dropped, oh
Speaker 1: a week before We Americana came out the documentary on Netflix,
Speaker 1: and I at midnight the trailer dropped as a swifty.
Speaker 1: I pulled it up and in bed watching it, and
Speaker 1: I hear my own voice and I was just like,
Speaker 1: it's during the part of the documentary that's like like
Speaker 1: where she she's like I had to go away for
Speaker 1: a year and it's like a bunch of people saying
Speaker 1: shitty things and me being like she has all these
Speaker 1: model friends, she's too skinny. It's like, I don't like it.
Speaker 1: It's just me just being not funny, just like and
Speaker 1: it's my voice. I sent it to all my friends
Speaker 1: and I'm like, you, guys, I'm even the Steelership documentary
Speaker 1: and they're like that is not you. You would never
Speaker 1: say those things, and I'm like, I know it's me.
Speaker 1: Of course I would because like I I know that
Speaker 1: I used to mouth off about her because I was
Speaker 1: so like wanting to be her, and I felt like
Speaker 1: now she's a model, and now she's it's like the
Speaker 1: thing I just said, I don't want her to have
Speaker 1: kids because I will relate And I'm like, now you're
Speaker 1: friends with the only hot deeds, like you're I'm losing you.
Speaker 1: And that's part of loving someone so much is you
Speaker 1: sometimes do say something teasing them, like the one that
Speaker 1: we stand, Well, it's because so I get what you
Speaker 1: were doing. But yeah, and it was the same though,
Speaker 1: like I love her so much, I felt I was
Speaker 1: losing her. Two models into that, Like I thought I
Speaker 1: was gonna lose her and so I was gonna shame
Speaker 1: her for it. That she'd come back to me the
Speaker 1: way like my my best friend Kersen in high school,
Speaker 1: Like like when I found out she was like blew someone,
Speaker 1: I just like I cried and cried because I was like,
Speaker 1: I lost you, like I didn't. I can't do that.
Speaker 1: I'm not going to be able to do that and
Speaker 1: talk to you and relate to you anymore. So that's
Speaker 1: how I felt about Taylor Swift being skinnier than me.
Speaker 1: It's like, honestly and like being so like well quoft
Speaker 1: and shiny and like model, like she's alleged she could
Speaker 1: be a model, like a runway model, you know. And
Speaker 1: so I lashed out on some dumb show and then
Speaker 1: I uh, I waited a week, and during that week
Speaker 1: I couldn't listen to Taylor Swift music. I was just like,
Speaker 1: I've done my girl wrong. I don't know how bad
Speaker 1: this is going to be. Like I just the thought
Speaker 1: of her made me like sad because I was like,
Speaker 1: I hurt her, and I didn't know what the impact
Speaker 1: was going to be in terms of like how I
Speaker 1: come off on the secondary what else? I said. I
Speaker 1: didn't even look up the clip, and I'm like, I
Speaker 1: don't even want to know. It's what's done has done.
Speaker 1: My agents and everyone were like, don't make this thing
Speaker 1: because you know, we don't want to upset her or anything,
Speaker 1: Like I go, can you can you find out what
Speaker 1: part of this? They were like, we're not gonna say anything.
Speaker 1: So then someone got a pret screener and was like,
Speaker 1: you're in it and I was like, oh God, damn it.
Speaker 1: And I finally watched it and it was just it
Speaker 1: was a clip of me. It wasn't my name. They
Speaker 1: didn't use my name like or like you do a
Speaker 1: chiron for me, but it's my face and it's a
Speaker 1: video of me going, she's just all she has model friends,
Speaker 1: she's too skinny. It's like, come on. It was just
Speaker 1: just me being like just a little bit like bitching about,
Speaker 1: like gossipy and not funny. Like if it was funny,
Speaker 1: I could even justify it, but it wasn't and I
Speaker 1: wouldn't even then. So I just felt really sad, and
Speaker 1: I caught a couple like hateful d m s but
Speaker 1: not like from people who really did their work. And
Speaker 1: then all day I was like I couldn't even feel
Speaker 1: my feelings because I couldn't listen to Taylor Swift to
Speaker 1: process what I was feeling about Taylor Swift because it
Speaker 1: triggered me so much to be like, I don't listen
Speaker 1: to this person that probably hates me. And so I
Speaker 1: was like walking around the city. I didn't know what
Speaker 1: to do, and I was like, I have to apologize.
Speaker 1: I didn't want to go through my agents because I
Speaker 1: thought that they would probably be so scared of even
Speaker 1: talking her that they'd tell me that they wrote late Senator,
Speaker 1: and then they wouldn't, and then I wouldn't lie about
Speaker 1: it because to protect me in because they're liars and
Speaker 1: so um you know when they lie for a living.
Speaker 1: So I I I just decided to put out a
Speaker 1: picture of me and a Taylor Swift shirt and then
Speaker 1: write a caption being like, hey, I was in this thing,
Speaker 1: and I thought it was I thought it was a
Speaker 1: perfectly written thing. It wasn't trying to like protect myself
Speaker 1: from Swift because they weren't really coming after me. It
Speaker 1: was honestly to make like to have a chance of
Speaker 1: getting this in front of her eyes, because I thought,
Speaker 1: maybe she'll see this and she'll know that I am
Speaker 1: someone who struggled with eating disorders and like the fact
Speaker 1: that I may have contributed to hers and anyway by
Speaker 1: commenting on her body like was and and and then
Speaker 1: then I admitted to just being jealous and I thought
Speaker 1: it was And then she she wrote a comment back
Speaker 1: and I literally can't even remember what it was because
Speaker 1: I saw it. I couldn't look again, like it was
Speaker 1: too much like I just like was like thank you, Taylor,
Speaker 1: and then I was like I don't even know what
Speaker 1: it was, and so that, and but the way she
Speaker 1: wrote it was like so like, oh my god, this
Speaker 1: means so much to me, Like it was just that
Speaker 1: you said that. I think, I think because you know,
Speaker 1: the thing, the thing that I think sometimes we forget
Speaker 1: about people that are this big is that like they
Speaker 1: do have the Internet and they are human beings, and
Speaker 1: the thing is like, you know, especially I think when
Speaker 1: someone is like really funny. I I think for for
Speaker 1: a lot of musicians too, they look at like funny
Speaker 1: people as like people that have like some sort of
Speaker 1: like uh I on the whole thing, and like when
Speaker 1: whenever a comedian makes fun of them, it's always like, oh,
Speaker 1: it's their job, it's a comedian making fun of me.
Speaker 1: But also there I think there's an insinua. There's like
Speaker 1: probably a false insinuation that comedians are like smart or
Speaker 1: all seeing or we'll call out the thing that everyone's thinking.
Speaker 1: So there is that thing of like, oh, comedian made
Speaker 1: fun of me, Like am I this thing? And so
Speaker 1: I think like for you to own it like that,
Speaker 1: even if you didn't need to, even if it was
Speaker 1: just like something you tossed off and like you did
Speaker 1: not need to beat yourself bad. I think she is
Speaker 1: a human being. Was like, oh, this like cool, funny,
Speaker 1: gorgeous comedian that like you know, may have bothered me,
Speaker 1: like owned this went out of her way to do
Speaker 1: this and be like, I have such a respect an
Speaker 1: admiration for you. I'm sorry. And she did reply very thoughtfully,
Speaker 1: and you could tell that she wouldn't have just said
Speaker 1: that had not been something that was really meaningful. And
Speaker 1: I thought the whole thing was great, Thank you, and
Speaker 1: I honestly want to take this opportunity to address another time.
Speaker 1: I talked to Taylor's that it was before Miss Americana,
Speaker 1: but it only came out after Miss Americana, So I
Speaker 1: felt like if she could have seen it, like it
Speaker 1: was only after my apology and then I take this
Speaker 1: wing before so but it's like bonus, exactly what you're
Speaker 1: saying of like the people you love so much and
Speaker 1: you know the most about you, have the most opinions
Speaker 1: about you as a comedian and maybe make the most
Speaker 1: fun of. But honestly, when I did Dancing with the Stars,
Speaker 1: I kind of signed up for that because I like
Speaker 1: there was a part of me that was like, Taylor
Speaker 1: Swift makes like kind of white girl dancing, like not
Speaker 1: like King, you know, like in the shake uh you know,
Speaker 1: shake it Off video. It was like she was like
Speaker 1: people accused her of appropriating, but she was just bad
Speaker 1: at She wasn't that good at some in some of
Speaker 1: those dances. It wasn't but it looked fun and it
Speaker 1: was fun to watch, which is what dancing is. It
Speaker 1: doesn't mean it's bad. But the truth is Taylor Swift
Speaker 1: is actually a great dancer. She is. So I did that.
Speaker 1: I didn't have my knowledge when I said that. So
Speaker 1: in a couple of interviews, I said the fact that
Speaker 1: Taylor Swift can be a bad at dancing and own
Speaker 1: it and I love her so much and I like
Speaker 1: watching her bad dancing, And I didn't. I was speaking
Speaker 1: from a place of like assuming she was bad dancing,
Speaker 1: but not really having seen it. So someone I a
Speaker 1: fan of mine, met her and she and this is
Speaker 1: before MS Americana went backstage and said, I Nikki Glazer
Speaker 1: loves you? Do you do you know Nikki Glazers comedian
Speaker 1: that loves you? And she goes, is that the one
Speaker 1: that says that my badcing inspired her, and I was like,
Speaker 1: so Taylor's heard me say that, and that makes me
Speaker 1: so sad because I want to if so, if anyone
Speaker 1: out there listening to this knows Taylor Swift, will you
Speaker 1: let her know that the truth behind me referencing her
Speaker 1: being a bad dancer and stuffect that I'm a bad dancer,
Speaker 1: And so I projected that onto her, not knowing how
Speaker 1: good she dances. Then I saw her her video delicate
Speaker 1: and that bitch can dance, and she that girl can
Speaker 1: do anything she puts her mind too. And then I've
Speaker 1: also seen reputation like since then, I've immersed myself in
Speaker 1: her live performances, which I hadn't before, and knowing what
Speaker 1: I know from Dancing with the Stars and how hard
Speaker 1: it is to dance, that girl, the fact that she's
Speaker 1: able to dance as good as she can and everything
Speaker 1: else as good as Again, she's a very good dancer,
Speaker 1: and I would never compare myself to her again in
Speaker 1: the dancing realm. At this point in her career, I
Speaker 1: think Taylor Swift must understand or have some empathy towards
Speaker 1: the people who make any swipe in her not that
Speaker 1: not that you saying that she was a bad dancer
Speaker 1: was a swipe. And the people who make a swipe
Speaker 1: at her, it is a projection. They are seeing her
Speaker 1: is this test they see what they want to see
Speaker 1: out of her. When when this like she knows, that's
Speaker 1: smart enough to know that. But this this girl gets revenge.
Speaker 1: She has driven by that. And I remember, like she
Speaker 1: wrote a whole song mean about someone saying that she
Speaker 1: couldn't sing, you know, so for for me and as
Speaker 1: someone who is very similar to her in that way,
Speaker 1: I think I'm projecting onto her that like the fact
Speaker 1: if someone were to say something like that about me,
Speaker 1: it would stick in my crap. I would remember it.
Speaker 1: She she thinks of a bad dancer, like I actually
Speaker 1: thought it was really good and delicate. And the truth
Speaker 1: is you were and you are a good dancer, and
Speaker 1: I wasn't. I hadn't seen that yet. So and she
Speaker 1: doesn't take jokes about herself well as you know, untouchable
Speaker 1: in terms of that, like the line in that Netflix show,
Speaker 1: do you remember that? That was the whole thing? And
Speaker 1: I think that was a little like I understand where
Speaker 1: she's coming from. She's like tired of the same jokes
Speaker 1: being made that she dates a lot, but that was
Speaker 1: like a that that I was like, wow, okay, you
Speaker 1: know what. She definitely was probably upset my dancing thing,
Speaker 1: and I'm not sensitive to I I honestly think, yeah,
Speaker 1: it was. It was definitely indicative of a sensitivity that
Speaker 1: we obviously know is there because but it's an interesting
Speaker 1: thing with her because we we know her as like
Speaker 1: being two things. An incredibly sensitive person and that makes
Speaker 1: her such a great artist, but also an incredibly smart
Speaker 1: and shrewd businesswoman and like someone who is very in
Speaker 1: charge of their brand and very smart about their brand.
Speaker 1: And I say this not in a pejorative but calculated
Speaker 1: about the way that her business is done. So when
Speaker 1: those two things are both true, I think it's almost
Speaker 1: hard to reconcile. And I do think that the thing
Speaker 1: about Taylor Swift is like for anyone in the millennial
Speaker 1: age group or or or a couple of years out,
Speaker 1: she is probably the biggest pop star of our time.
Speaker 1: And so with that and end the knowledge that we
Speaker 1: are living in the age of social media that really
Speaker 1: took over during her rise to being number one, and
Speaker 1: how she stayed there, there's a lot to negotiate, So
Speaker 1: it's like the way you talk about celebrities, especially the
Speaker 1: way you talk about women, the way you talk about um,
Speaker 1: you know, the way women have conflict with each other,
Speaker 1: the way that they negotiate those conflicts. I mean, it's
Speaker 1: just a lot, and there's a lot to learn about
Speaker 1: her red the way that she's consumed by the media
Speaker 1: and the populace that probably could be like a college
Speaker 1: course taught on this. Honestly, she's living experienced only the
Speaker 1: Beatles and Michael Jackson, like she's living in such I
Speaker 1: can't imagine what it would be like to be her
Speaker 1: and for her to crank out these songs that are
Speaker 1: still so relatable with her life as such a megastar.
Speaker 1: Is is really says something about her character. But I
Speaker 1: mean I even feel it. I remember recently someone I
Speaker 1: was like like romantically involved with us, like teasing me
Speaker 1: about my looks in a way that I was just like,
Speaker 1: I don't I don't want to be called I don't
Speaker 1: want any like jokes about my looks. I really feel
Speaker 1: like it's it's and it's just like I don't understand that,
Speaker 1: like you're the most beautiful, but like you know, that's
Speaker 1: a total joke. That I would say, you look like
Speaker 1: that thing that you don't even like there was He
Speaker 1: just couldn't understand that I would ever feel ugly, and
Speaker 1: I go, or that I would feel hurt by this
Speaker 1: absurd comparison, right, And I go, well, because I grew
Speaker 1: up like I felt ugly as a little girl, I'm
Speaker 1: still in that and I've accepted myself and I like myself,
Speaker 1: but I can't handle being mocked for my like features.
Speaker 1: And it's not that I can't handle it. I get
Speaker 1: it everywhere, like I do get it when I've signed
Speaker 1: myself up for a roast. So there's been like jokes
Speaker 1: that have been presented that are really hurtful to my
Speaker 1: feelings that are repeated over and over on Twitter and
Speaker 1: YouTube comments, and it's just like comparing me to Larry
Speaker 1: Bird or you know, Owen Wilson or saying like you know,
Speaker 1: horse face, stuff like that. You get that all the time.
Speaker 1: And he's like, don't read the comments, and I just
Speaker 1: I fucking so easy for you to say. And the
Speaker 1: thing is, I don't read comments. I don't I haven't
Speaker 1: read a YouTube comments. It's two thousand eleven, Like I'm
Speaker 1: not kidding you. I don't read comments. I have to
Speaker 1: read through Instagram stuff to interact with fans. I have
Speaker 1: to read tweets too. That's if you can't avoid it.
Speaker 1: Even if you avoid it. The ship, Yeah, the ship
Speaker 1: gets through that filter anyway, of course it does. It
Speaker 1: gets through it anyway. And so I said, I get
Speaker 1: that all out there, but for someone that was him,
Speaker 1: not understanding what it's like to be a public figure
Speaker 1: and to be mocked, and and I come off like this,
Speaker 1: like I only want everyone to like be nice to
Speaker 1: me and kind of me. It's like, well, I think
Speaker 1: I deserve that because a lot of people get to
Speaker 1: be vocal about how they hate me more so than
Speaker 1: a normal person. So celebrities tend to want to be
Speaker 1: held like handled with kid gloves by the people closest
Speaker 1: to them. And it kind of makes sense. It's and
Speaker 1: on Taylor Swift's level, I can't even imagine what that
Speaker 1: would be. Every it's people that love you. It's me,
Speaker 1: Nikki Glazer, who's your number one fan? Like those it's
Speaker 1: it's must be you can't you must turn on the
Speaker 1: TV going. I hope there's not a joke about me.
Speaker 1: That's what probably happened with Jinny and Georgia that show.
Speaker 1: She probably was enjoying that show and then has suddenly
Speaker 1: taken out of it because this show thought of her
Speaker 1: as like presented her as something that she's not, and
Speaker 1: it's like that would hurt. That must have been the
Speaker 1: reason why she she tweeted about it was I bet
Speaker 1: because I just realized that because I go, why is
Speaker 1: such a venom? But it's like she wanted she was
Speaker 1: like trusting them to be nice to her and take
Speaker 1: her on a journey from her own life, like that's
Speaker 1: why we watched dramas like and then all of a
Speaker 1: sudden they're making fun of you. Fuck you, So I
Speaker 1: get it. Um. I was just going to comment on
Speaker 1: that with Matt's comment about the millennial sort of aspect
Speaker 1: of it being being sort of like tied to like her, her,
Speaker 1: her her identity, and like the way that we have
Speaker 1: any discourse about pop stars. It's interesting now because I'm
Speaker 1: talking to not even talking to anybody, but I'm just
Speaker 1: noticing that, like these new people that are coming up,
Speaker 1: like Girl and Red, there's she's a great Norwegian singer,
Speaker 1: um girl in Red and like Olivia Rodrigo, Like guess
Speaker 1: who's their number one inspiration. It's tail. I love it,
Speaker 1: but I love I love what we're gonna get. What
Speaker 1: we're gonna get exactly. But what we're getting is like
Speaker 1: this other generation of people who are inspired by here.
Speaker 1: And I think by and large that younger listenership is
Speaker 1: like not does not have all this crazy these these
Speaker 1: they don't have all these weird hang ups about who
Speaker 1: who she dates and and what, like what her personality
Speaker 1: is or who her friends are. It's like they're just
Speaker 1: there because they loved her music. They listened to it.
Speaker 1: They listen to is like a seven year old let's say,
Speaker 1: and now and now it's and now they're fourteen, and
Speaker 1: now they're like, oh my god, Like it's like we love.
Speaker 1: Like it's like the way that I relate to the
Speaker 1: Spice Girls because I was seven when I when the
Speaker 1: Spice Girls first came out. And I will never say
Speaker 1: a bad thing about the Spice Girls ever, you know,
Speaker 1: it's like that's what that's what's coming up now, and
Speaker 1: like I think it's cool. And then I was talking
Speaker 1: to Celestium. They're they're they're writer snal they just turned
Speaker 1: twenty five of their baby um and I was like
Speaker 1: you like and uh, they're they're a lesbian And I
Speaker 1: was like, you like twolor stuff right, and they're like,
Speaker 1: I love Taylor Swift to know it's like and I
Speaker 1: was like, yeah, okay, Like what's with all these like
Speaker 1: these like kids liking Taylor now? And they were just like,
Speaker 1: I think it's code for um. It's it's code for
Speaker 1: Dike energy. It's like you are like, um, you like
Speaker 1: you have the sensitivity or this like awareness of your
Speaker 1: own emotion. Oh my god, that checks out for all.
Speaker 1: I mean. I've I've recently felt like I might be
Speaker 1: in love with Taylor Swift the way I was in
Speaker 1: love with Dave Matthews in high school. Like she's kind
Speaker 1: of set me on this course of like I want
Speaker 1: to be in a relationship, like I want to protect her,
Speaker 1: and like I would like love I could. I could
Speaker 1: probably date Taylor would I can. I can appreciate the
Speaker 1: fact that she would not want that from me, but
Speaker 1: I if she did, I would be down. And I
Speaker 1: don't and and and that makes me open to being like, Okay,
Speaker 1: well if I can love her them like it's maybe
Speaker 1: I'll be. But but it's funny because the my adult
Speaker 1: friends that I've recently been like, hey, do you like
Speaker 1: I'm always king for other swifties to like heyn't talk
Speaker 1: swift with like and and the ones the girls I've
Speaker 1: met recently have been yeah, yeah, there's a whole, there's
Speaker 1: a there's a lot. She has a very very strong
Speaker 1: lesbian fan base, and obviously she's I think she's got
Speaker 1: a very strong queer fan base. And I think that
Speaker 1: probably the last time she was discussed in like a
Speaker 1: you know, negative way, um was when the Lover album
Speaker 1: came out, and it felt like there was some pandering
Speaker 1: going on, which is an interesting time because I do
Speaker 1: think there was a lot of I roll coming from
Speaker 1: her queer fan base because it kind of felt like
Speaker 1: we already loved you, we didn't need you to do
Speaker 1: all of this. But then it's like interesting because to
Speaker 1: slow you to roll just a second, like at the
Speaker 1: end of the day, Like, isn't it ned positive that
Speaker 1: she's like I am standing up, I say, like all
Speaker 1: queer people, you know what I mean. And still we
Speaker 1: were being snarky about it because I think it did
Speaker 1: have I think we've all been trained as we've as
Speaker 1: we've gotten older, you know, and sort of understood how
Speaker 1: marketed to we all are. We've sort of been trained
Speaker 1: to what I always say, noticed the pepsi cans for once,
Speaker 1: you know what I mean, Like when you walk into
Speaker 1: a room like and you're being given some entertainment, like
Speaker 1: how many fucking pepsi cans there are? Like I like
Speaker 1: to just sort of notice that, so I know when
Speaker 1: I'm being marketed to. And there was the whole sort
Speaker 1: of like you know, Chase Bank Pride float a thing
Speaker 1: going on when it felt like she was doing this
Speaker 1: like queer support thing. But at the end of the day,
Speaker 1: it's like all we ever wanted this girl to do
Speaker 1: was stand up and take a stand for what was right,
Speaker 1: and she finally did, and we have something snarky to
Speaker 1: say about it again, like and then I did. I did,
Speaker 1: So I did sort of get um. I thought that
Speaker 1: she tackled it really responsibly and as well as she
Speaker 1: could have. In the Miss Americana documentary where she sort
Speaker 1: of explained what she was up against. I thought the
Speaker 1: comparison to the Dixie Chicks or now the Chicks was
Speaker 1: really apt, like the way it completely changed their um,
Speaker 1: their experience in the music industry and therefore changed their
Speaker 1: fans experience with them, you know, it's incredibly difficult. And
Speaker 1: so I think that was an interesting time for her,
Speaker 1: the lover era, which I don't even know. It feels
Speaker 1: like it was pretty glossed over, like in the grand
Speaker 1: scheme of the way Taylors things. Um, but that was
Speaker 1: that was a weird time. That was a rocky time
Speaker 1: for the fans and and Taylor, especially queer friends and Taylor. Yeah,
Speaker 1: that's really interesting. I love to hear the perspective because
Speaker 1: it did feel like, what what is this anthem? Like
Speaker 1: the end, and I really was bothered, not bothered, but
Speaker 1: I thought she should have done um hate never made
Speaker 1: anybody less gay, not shade. Shade felt like kind of
Speaker 1: like minimizing what it is that people are doing. So
Speaker 1: that choice, I was like, that could have been harder.
Speaker 1: That was the only note that I had as someone
Speaker 1: not uh like that didn't identify as queer at the time,
Speaker 1: and in my someday don't don't currently well up for you.
Speaker 1: So watch this Definitely they're oh, they're they're definitely mixed up.
Speaker 1: And I there are times I'm just I think I
Speaker 1: want to kiss her, Like there's she's just so like,
Speaker 1: so there is that vibe for me. But the um,
Speaker 1: the the whole lover, what was it going to say
Speaker 1: about the oh, the fact that she is someone who
Speaker 1: you did say is calculated, Like she wants everyone to
Speaker 1: like her. I mean that's what Mr mcconnor was about,
Speaker 1: Like she has that drive to get everyone. She wants
Speaker 1: to make her fans happy. She cares so much about
Speaker 1: her fans, she really does. So for her to be
Speaker 1: able to take that chance of alienating whoever might not
Speaker 1: like her stance on you know things like actually, yeah,
Speaker 1: they to do that was I don't know if I
Speaker 1: would have thought Taylor was capable of making that kind
Speaker 1: of um decision where you cut off, like if you'd say,
Speaker 1: you know, when she spoke out about Trump, I was
Speaker 1: just like, finally, but that's not easy to do it
Speaker 1: at all. And he was like I used to be
Speaker 1: a fan. I like her fifty less. I'm like, you
Speaker 1: stop listening tails her. It made me mad that he
Speaker 1: would ever hear a song. It was like, dude, shut up.
Speaker 1: But ever, because the thing too is like and we
Speaker 1: talk about how you know she can't turn on the
Speaker 1: TV without her, they're potentially being a joke about her,
Speaker 1: like she knew that he would say something when she
Speaker 1: said when she said something, you know what I mean,
Speaker 1: It's like, this is the kind of president who like
Speaker 1: he would love nothing more than to get into it
Speaker 1: with Taylor Swift. But I feel she she genuinely thought
Speaker 1: she got to the end of the line of being
Speaker 1: able to be like complacent about these issues, like because
Speaker 1: you like, ultimately there was a right and wrong there
Speaker 1: and she she knows that, and she came out and
Speaker 1: said that finally, but again she knew the risk she
Speaker 1: ran by doing something, which is he's gonna fight with
Speaker 1: dad that doctor. I'm going to do it Dad, And
Speaker 1: they're like so they're just the money they see like
Speaker 1: flying out of their pockets like that. That was It's
Speaker 1: a lot of money at stake and people aren't willing
Speaker 1: to take that risk. I do love though, that what
Speaker 1: you said about how we don't need her to be
Speaker 1: dating around and holding hands with a new guy, and
Speaker 1: like I'm happy with her like off in a cabin
Speaker 1: with Joe on like these hikes, these like private hikes.
Speaker 1: I like that. I don't know anything about the relationship.
Speaker 1: I only have a little bit of footage to analyze
Speaker 1: I don't need that from her. It's not part of
Speaker 1: it for me, which I do over and over. But
Speaker 1: I love the Yeah, I'm just like happy that she's happy.
Speaker 1: I want them to last, I want them to work out.
Speaker 1: And the fact that she's able to write songs like
Speaker 1: heartbreak songs just as well, like which is what she
Speaker 1: said in the Tiny Desk concert about Death by a
Speaker 1: Thousand Cuts, like I'm happy, so can I still write
Speaker 1: breakup songs? And so she just reads a book about
Speaker 1: a breakup and and she's so she soaks up so
Speaker 1: much feeling that she can just put that into a song.
Speaker 1: And the fucking Betty august uh Cardigan trilogy, like that
Speaker 1: whole story, Like who knew a year ago that she
Speaker 1: was capable of I mean, I knew she would be,
Speaker 1: but I didn't even know I wanted that from her.
Speaker 1: I was kind of mad when I heard it was
Speaker 1: like characters and not her. And then they're my it's
Speaker 1: my favorite thing she's ever done. Maybe, Yeah, that that
Speaker 1: trip Tyke of songs. Yeah, because it is because the
Speaker 1: details just being in the easter eggs and each thing.
Speaker 1: I'm like, oh, that that is actually genius. You just
Speaker 1: like that she was able to make you empathize with
Speaker 1: each character in it, and no, the victim was always
Speaker 1: or the person that was you just made you this
Speaker 1: love triangle seem I don't know, it's just no one
Speaker 1: was the villain and it was all and they were
Speaker 1: all so and they all actually are kind of the
Speaker 1: same song. It's just she's she's masterful, masterful. And so
Speaker 1: I feel that now we've got a very good sense
Speaker 1: of the culture you're currently consuming. It has made you
Speaker 1: the person you are today. But we have to ask
Speaker 1: the question, which is the central cornerstone question of lost cultures,
Speaker 1: which is Nikki Glazer, what was the culture that made
Speaker 1: you say culture was for you? I E what this
Speaker 1: means is what was the pop culture that entered your life?
Speaker 1: And you're like, you can pinpoint now looking back, that
Speaker 1: was the moment I changed, and I can see myself
Speaker 1: now as the person I am. That's where my that's
Speaker 1: where I came from. It was There's so many things
Speaker 1: in my head right now, but I have to go
Speaker 1: with my initial Okay, friends was mine. When I found friends,
Speaker 1: I was like, when I heard Tanner say how many
Speaker 1: cameras were on you? Like that kind of joke of
Speaker 1: like the camera at Bells, how many cameras were on you.
Speaker 1: I were just that joke is like that is so funny,
Speaker 1: and then Jennifer Aniston just like I, whatever that is,
Speaker 1: I'm gonna be it, like I want that, and then
Speaker 1: like going after it forever. But in terms of like
Speaker 1: comedy wise, like feeling like, oh my god, this is
Speaker 1: for me and no, it's I've never that's when I
Speaker 1: became friends. When I being obsessed with being like being famous,
Speaker 1: like being on TV, but comedy wise, like Conan was
Speaker 1: the first time I go, what the fuck like that is?
Speaker 1: This is special and weird in a way that I
Speaker 1: didn't I didn't know anyone else wanted to laugh at
Speaker 1: stuff like this, and it just felt it felt I
Speaker 1: was obsessed. I was, like in high school's obsessed with
Speaker 1: Dave Matthews and Conan O'Brien. So that was the major
Speaker 1: one for me. It was the ten It was a
Speaker 1: five year Anniverse three special of Conan that my dad
Speaker 1: showed me on like you know, VHS and he recorded
Speaker 1: it was like, Nick, I think you'll like this, and
Speaker 1: I was like, and my friends and I became just
Speaker 1: obsessed with that and just the weird, just the weirdness
Speaker 1: of it. It was like, you know, it was like
Speaker 1: Tim and Eric before Tim like that kind of like
Speaker 1: looking avant garde comedy and like and like you've been
Speaker 1: and like you have this friendship with him now and
Speaker 1: like what like what like that's probably surreal, like and
Speaker 1: has it and and that and like does that make
Speaker 1: the influence even like stronger for you? Because yeah, I
Speaker 1: think so, Like, uh, it's hard because I it's hard
Speaker 1: being friends with someone you like that much, or like
Speaker 1: I can't even say I'm friends with him. He would
Speaker 1: probably were. We've done enough podcasting and like been on
Speaker 1: the show enough that we have a rapport. But I
Speaker 1: always black out when I'm talking to him, like I
Speaker 1: would imagine function, Like I really can't keep it cool.
Speaker 1: And I always have to just tell him what he
Speaker 1: means to me because he's just so self deprecating, Like
Speaker 1: I need him to know that he's the funniest person
Speaker 1: in the world and I've awarded him that and there's
Speaker 1: no debate and it's the he is it. And uh
Speaker 1: so I just spent a lot of at the time,
Speaker 1: just like you know, just telling how much I love him.
Speaker 1: And it's like we can't really get much done sometimes,
Speaker 1: so some I feel annoying him. Sometimes I I don't
Speaker 1: even I don't want to know. My heroes don't. I
Speaker 1: can't handle. Sometimes it's better to not and and I'm
Speaker 1: not not because they like I'll just say so. The
Speaker 1: person that this was for me growing up was Margaret Show.
Speaker 1: And so when we we early on in doing this podcast,
Speaker 1: got the opportunity to go interview Margaret Show. And we
Speaker 1: went up from from from New York to Nayak where
Speaker 1: she was doing a show, and we went in our
Speaker 1: hotel room and we were interviewing her, and it's you
Speaker 1: could tell it's early for us because we're so nervous.
Speaker 1: And I'm telling you, I was. She saved my life
Speaker 1: when I was like when I was in middle school.
Speaker 1: So but when I'll tell you I was, I was pacing,
Speaker 1: I was like rearranging the chairs. I was like we
Speaker 1: have I was. I couldn't believe it. I was just
Speaker 1: Margaret Show just means so much to me. And so
Speaker 1: we got there and the interview was going okay, and
Speaker 1: there were because we were young, and I don't think
Speaker 1: we could really relate to her yet. And so I
Speaker 1: not that we ever could, but like I could tell
Speaker 1: listening back, I only ever listened to it once. It's
Speaker 1: kind of like that tell herself comment for you, it's like, okay,
Speaker 1: I know we corresponded, and then I'm moving on. But
Speaker 1: there was a point in the interview where I told
Speaker 1: her what she meant to me and she kind of
Speaker 1: was like, oh, thanks, that's nice. And then I remember
Speaker 1: being like I remember I had the impetus to be like, no,
Speaker 1: but do people tell you that, like do you hear that?
Speaker 1: Is that something that you know that you you're hearing?
Speaker 1: Your voice and your comedy made people feel seen to
Speaker 1: a point where like it really mattered, And she was like,
Speaker 1: and I get with her. Boyfriend Rocco was there at
Speaker 1: the time to doing the interview as well, and he
Speaker 1: was looking at her like I could tell he was
Speaker 1: telling her like absorb this, absorb this, like it's okay
Speaker 1: to absorb this, and she was just like, it's really
Speaker 1: nice that you say. Then we kind of moved on.
Speaker 1: But it's interesting that you say that, because I had
Speaker 1: that too, Like when someone is you know, you could
Speaker 1: tell trained to be a little self deprecating or just
Speaker 1: be like no, I'm actually not ship, whatever, move on.
Speaker 1: It's like, no, you are you are, you are? You
Speaker 1: are you are and if I can, like, I'm not wrong, right,
Speaker 1: I know, and I want you to know like I am.
Speaker 1: It is not up for debate, like you are, please
Speaker 1: know this, And you try to and it's almost like
Speaker 1: because you're talking to yourself, because you know that feeling
Speaker 1: of someone you Guys have have met people that just
Speaker 1: are so excited to meet you. They're shaking, crying, like
Speaker 1: you mean so much, you know, and and it's hard.
Speaker 1: It's hard to take that in because you're like, I'm
Speaker 1: just a person. I just took a ship, like I
Speaker 1: know that, like you know, like I just you just
Speaker 1: feel like you're but but it's it's just hard to
Speaker 1: hear compliments and not go like like you just want
Speaker 1: to push away. So I understand that, but I also
Speaker 1: want so desperately for for him to under to know
Speaker 1: it because they deserve to, and because we're not wrong.
Speaker 1: We're we're so small that we like them and they
Speaker 1: need to know that we're like not just any any fan.
Speaker 1: We are we like know our ship, yeah, and we
Speaker 1: like But I think Conan is the type of person
Speaker 1: to like accept that better than better than others, right,
Speaker 1: Like I don't know, I don't know. I feel like
Speaker 1: that's very nice. That's really you know, it's it's he
Speaker 1: wants to move on. He's very coomfortable with compliments. And
Speaker 1: that's why I feel bad because I can't help it
Speaker 1: and I make him uncomfortable, like he doesn't like it.
Speaker 1: Why do I continue doing this? But it's it's it's
Speaker 1: essentially because like I always all right, this is crazy.
Speaker 1: I'll be vulnerable about I'll be vulnerable about this. Like
Speaker 1: if I ever have a situation where I'm on Kelly
Speaker 1: Clarkson's talk show, they shouldn't let me on because I'll
Speaker 1: sit down and it will be a thing of like
Speaker 1: I'll hyperventilate, like it will go viral, because it's like
Speaker 1: crazed faggot makes himself like like full spectacle on Kelly
Speaker 1: Clarkson show, Like it will be bad for whatever I'm promoting,
Speaker 1: like it like it won't be good because like I
Speaker 1: associate with her, her with the time I needed her
Speaker 1: so badly, and I my love for her has never
Speaker 1: went to the point where it's like I don't see
Speaker 1: a world where I could be normal talking to her,
Speaker 1: so to have that person and to have a relationship
Speaker 1: with that person is like it's crazy. Yeah, I as
Speaker 1: you're talking, I'm thinking of meeting Taylor Swift and it's
Speaker 1: just it wouldn't go. It wouldn't. I've met her before
Speaker 1: before I was obsessed, and right now it just wouldn't.
Speaker 1: I thought Dave Matthews once and it didn't go well.
Speaker 1: I it was that Matt I just like really embarrassed myself.
Speaker 1: And and this was a couple of years ago when
Speaker 1: I really had enough accomplishments to be like I deserved
Speaker 1: to meet you, you know, like this was my goal
Speaker 1: was to get it. I even said that to him.
Speaker 1: I'm like, you're the reason I even do comedy because
Speaker 1: I wanted to like get into your sphere so I
Speaker 1: could meet you. And I used the words spear like
Speaker 1: really like bother it. It was such a weird, like
Speaker 1: it was the there was a whole other thing that
Speaker 1: happened before that. But I was really embarrassing. I wasn't cool.
Speaker 1: I don't want to meet him a gun like it's
Speaker 1: it's not it's not a good look. It doesn't it's
Speaker 1: not worth it, Like I I can't I can't be
Speaker 1: myself I will never be myself in front of those people.
Speaker 1: But you gotta get a COLICARC said, I mean, I
Speaker 1: feel like we clipped this and send this. I'm gonna
Speaker 1: send this to a producer there because you like the
Speaker 1: thing is like she would make you feel comfortable. She
Speaker 1: would make you feel comfortable. I mean, bowen, you'll be,
Speaker 1: You'll be just like I was like a gay kid closet,
Speaker 1: a kid in like sixth grade when she was on
Speaker 1: American Idol, and I just remember I was just so
Speaker 1: when America fell in love with her for being herself
Speaker 1: that I kind of said to myself, I was like, well,
Speaker 1: maybe one day people will like me for being myself.
Speaker 1: And I really was. It was. It was like it
Speaker 1: was just hard. It was like a time where I
Speaker 1: was realizing I was something that um no one aspired
Speaker 1: to be. It was like very much that time of
Speaker 1: like gay was the worst thing you could say. It's
Speaker 1: someone I'm from Long Island. It's for a toxic and
Speaker 1: so just to see someone be so obviously themselves and
Speaker 1: like be beloved because they were a good person and talented.
Speaker 1: I was just like, well, at least I know it's
Speaker 1: possible that like someone could fall in love with you
Speaker 1: just because you're you. And I think just throughout my life, like, um,
Speaker 1: I've always listened to her music to come from me,
Speaker 1: and I also do think she reminds me of a
Speaker 1: younger version of my mother, to be honest with you, um,
Speaker 1: in terms of her energy and the way she looks. Um,
Speaker 1: So there's something there. But but yeah, I mean like
Speaker 1: it's just it's that, that's what it is. And we
Speaker 1: actually like I went to her show. I've seen her
Speaker 1: live eleven times Bowen and I went to the View
Speaker 1: one time because she was on it. That's the whole thing.
Speaker 1: When Joel Kim Booster was on Kelly Clarkson, he's one
Speaker 1: of my best friends. Like I went in the audience
Speaker 1: and like I was taking pictures of him. I put
Speaker 1: a picture of Joe, Kim, Kelly and Jennifer Hudson on
Speaker 1: my grid because it was one of the best days
Speaker 1: of my life. Like I went, I went back to
Speaker 1: say hi to him after. I couldn't have run out
Speaker 1: faster because I thought he was trying to like punk
Speaker 1: me and have her come in. I was like, gotta go.
Speaker 1: It was like really don't want it. Yeah know, well
Speaker 1: I know Bowen's gonna be on it like any day soon,
Speaker 1: and I'm just gonna be able to watch. So yeah,
Speaker 1: but one's gonna do Kelly Clarkson any day a day.
Speaker 1: But wait, wait, what were you on that you got
Speaker 1: to go? That you put on your grid? What was that?
Speaker 1: So it was when Joel Kim was on Kelly Clarkson
Speaker 1: to the Sunny Side? I went as his guest in
Speaker 1: the audience, and I was no, I did get to
Speaker 1: go backstage, and I said, and I thought he was
Speaker 1: trying to like pull one on me, And I think
Speaker 1: he might have been, because I'm telling you, I went
Speaker 1: back there, hugged him, said you were so good, babe.
Speaker 1: I'm out, and so I'm I like, I could not
Speaker 1: have ran out faster because I was like it would
Speaker 1: have been so like him. No, I do want to
Speaker 1: meet her. I just said, like, not not backstage at
Speaker 1: her show because my friend is on the show, you
Speaker 1: know what I mean, Like it has to be like
Speaker 1: a thing, like where where I have I'm meeting her
Speaker 1: with intention at this point because I have to get
Speaker 1: my thoughts together, like it can't be a surprise, it's
Speaker 1: Kelly thing, because it won't be cute you know what
Speaker 1: I mean, I completely agree, and I did. That's what
Speaker 1: happened with Dave Matthews. I had a chance to meet him,
Speaker 1: and I took it, and I wish I wouldn't have,
Speaker 1: just because it wasn't the circumstance under which I was
Speaker 1: able to express how much he meant to me. I
Speaker 1: went to a listening I was invited to, like a
Speaker 1: listening session where you sit in a room at Serious X,
Speaker 1: because I was I had a radio show there that
Speaker 1: you were both on, right, Yeah, yeah, and matt you
Speaker 1: came in separately another. Yeah that's right. Okay, So love love,
Speaker 1: Sorry to night. Uh she's so great. Um So I
Speaker 1: got asked to do like go to a listening party
Speaker 1: where literally Dave matth Is just sits in a room
Speaker 1: with like ten people from Serious that somehow fago to
Speaker 1: ticket to this room and he presses play on a
Speaker 1: thing like you just listen to it with him, Like
Speaker 1: he's not playing it, You're just like listening to it.
Speaker 1: So it's like you're in a it's awkward and it's
Speaker 1: a new album and you just like sit there and
Speaker 1: like like pop your head in this kind of cold
Speaker 1: conference room with and you know, Baba Booie from Howard
Speaker 1: Stern was there and it was I was excited to
Speaker 1: be there, but like and I'm looking at Dave Matthews
Speaker 1: like leg like like his his denimed knee, just being
Speaker 1: like that's me, like I thought about that, Like it's
Speaker 1: just like I'm putting. I am like trying to be
Speaker 1: on my best behavior even though like he doesn't I
Speaker 1: haven't met him yet. I think it took a picture.
Speaker 1: I think I took a picture of him and it
Speaker 1: was quick and I didn't have time to like say
Speaker 1: the whole thing. So it's just like my face is disgusting.
Speaker 1: It's like unpostable, even though the best moment of my
Speaker 1: life because I couldn't keep my face together. And then
Speaker 1: I'm in this listening session and I'm keeping my enterty
Speaker 1: like I am really holding it together but not well.
Speaker 1: It's like just like almost boiling out of me. But
Speaker 1: I'm just trying to be very cool and like not blackout.
Speaker 1: And then he gets so part where it's like wrapping
Speaker 1: up and he's like he's like, Okay, we only have
Speaker 1: time for one more song, Like you guys want to
Speaker 1: hear something soft and sweet or do you want to
Speaker 1: hear something a little funky, and I was like, finally
Speaker 1: answers the question. I'm like fucking like I like my
Speaker 1: voice said it's so loud that everyone jumped. And then
Speaker 1: he played something soft and sweet and I swearing he
Speaker 1: ignored it and like, and it was right in front
Speaker 1: of it was like four ft away, so I was
Speaker 1: like I thought, was so close to him, and everyone
Speaker 1: be literally Baba Buie from Howard started like Gary Talbot
Speaker 1: slowly put his hand on my shoulder, like you need
Speaker 1: to get it together, like this is embarrassing. Like that
Speaker 1: was weird for everyone. And I'm not someone who ever
Speaker 1: wants to make anyone. I don't want to be like
Speaker 1: I don't want you to notice me unless I'm making
Speaker 1: you like happy, and so for to be like the
Speaker 1: object of like oh, it was so huge in front
Speaker 1: of the person I love the most and it was
Speaker 1: all just like it just I thought I thought he
Speaker 1: was gonna be like this girl's cool and she like like,
Speaker 1: what's your deal? Funcky like and then he's like then
Speaker 1: he plays a song he wrote about like mass shootings.
Speaker 1: I mean it was not, it was not You're gonna
Speaker 1: have it. You're gonna have a redemptive interaction with him.
Speaker 1: I think you will. I'm the voice of d MB
Speaker 1: Radio on Serious XM, so when you listen to Channel
Speaker 1: Stars about you. He I'm sure he's aware I am
Speaker 1: in the sphere, as I let him know after after
Speaker 1: I said Sunky, That's when I like went after him,
Speaker 1: waited for him outside the room and was like, hey,
Speaker 1: I'm a comedian. I'm really sorry about Like I was
Speaker 1: just like I just have to say a bunch of
Speaker 1: things that how much you mean to me spe spears fear,
Speaker 1: and he was just like okay, and like backed away,
Speaker 1: very scared, Like I saw like actual fear. And he's
Speaker 1: like like this girl is unhinged in his eyes and
Speaker 1: and I'm not. I just couldn't control it, And it
Speaker 1: wasn't the right time. That would have been funny on
Speaker 1: camera with like a big like to do, like like
Speaker 1: if you went on the Kelly Clarkson Show, Matt and
Speaker 1: and had that moment, had that around it, it would
Speaker 1: be appropriate. But this was just so uncomfortable. It's funny
Speaker 1: that you mentioned serious because they got at when Serious
Speaker 1: like finally did when Kelly finally did Howard Stern like
Speaker 1: I did the after show. So I was like there
Speaker 1: in the building like like like going on the floor
Speaker 1: on the aftershow right after she was leaving Howard. And
Speaker 1: I'm telling you, like I had the opportunity because she
Speaker 1: was coming out and I'm sitting there in like the
Speaker 1: lobby in New York and like I was about to
Speaker 1: go in, Um tear started coming to my eyes and
Speaker 1: I couldn't come over. I was just like I was
Speaker 1: like I can't because I had to go be on
Speaker 1: the show. So I was like, I'm not gonna walk
Speaker 1: in there the first time I made fucking you know
Speaker 1: all these guys like that I've listened to forever, like
Speaker 1: because I love Howard, Like I'm not going to go
Speaker 1: in there and be like crying, Oh my god. Like
Speaker 1: I was like I have to be good and have
Speaker 1: it together for the Kelly episode of the show and
Speaker 1: like not be a flop. But I'm telling you, like
Speaker 1: I've had so many chances to like kind of go
Speaker 1: up there and be like I just wanted to tell
Speaker 1: you I'm such a big fan. You mean so much
Speaker 1: to me, and I'm just like, I literally I start
Speaker 1: to lose that every time. So I when do you
Speaker 1: have who's this he's cool. He's cool as a cucumber though,
Speaker 1: But no, not really, not really. I mean it happened
Speaker 1: when Tina, and that's kind of like a really that's
Speaker 1: that's kind of like it's such a it's such a
Speaker 1: complicated thing, but it was. It happened with Tina and UM.
Speaker 1: And at one point when I was shooting Girls five
Speaker 1: Evan in January, like Matt work Grow, our friend who
Speaker 1: wrote on this episode that UM I did, was like,
Speaker 1: by the way, Tina is gonna come. Tina and Jeff
Speaker 1: are coming into the studio. They want to say hi,
Speaker 1: and I was like, okay, cool, and then I just
Speaker 1: spun out in my room for like twenty minutes, and
Speaker 1: then they finally invite me to set and I'm like, okay,
Speaker 1: I guess I'm gonna run into around the floor. That's
Speaker 1: maybe even better so that like she just sees me
Speaker 1: like in in my element or whatever. And then she
Speaker 1: just laughed and she just left, and I feel like,
Speaker 1: but then before that, it was when I did the
Speaker 1: Commischmidt movie and she came over and she just like
Speaker 1: checked and I completely blacked out and it was the
Speaker 1: most meaningless interaction to her um probably ever. But then
Speaker 1: she mentioned me in an interview recently when she talked
Speaker 1: about the iceberg. I think, I think that's why you
Speaker 1: get asked to be on her. But I think I
Speaker 1: have to like keep this distance that I have not created.
Speaker 1: But that's just been like very like, uh, just just
Speaker 1: through happenstance has been like that's been what's calibrated. And
Speaker 1: I'm like, I can't actually get that much closer to
Speaker 1: you on a personal level because otherwise it will stress
Speaker 1: me out. You know, yes it won't and you won't
Speaker 1: remember it like you'll just it won't go well, So
Speaker 1: you have to keep away. But but she to hear
Speaker 1: your name come out of her mouth, isn't that wild?
Speaker 1: And such? Like it's so weird. I don't even know that.
Speaker 1: I don't I don't even know that it's exciting to me.
Speaker 1: It's mostly just bizarre, and I'm like, whoa. And it
Speaker 1: means that she's like watching, you know, It's like it's
Speaker 1: all all this other stuff comes in and I'm like, god, damn, damn, damn,
Speaker 1: this is actually really fucking bizarre. But then, but but
Speaker 1: my cone in thing is my freshman year after high school,
Speaker 1: we became New York City to look at colleges with
Speaker 1: my sister for my sister. And then the one fun
Speaker 1: thing we did in New York was to take the
Speaker 1: thirty Rock Studio tour. And it was the summer, so
Speaker 1: we knew SNL was out, was out. But then I asked,
Speaker 1: I was like, as Conan doing a show this week?
Speaker 1: They go no, the pages go no. But we still
Speaker 1: went to this and I was actually more excited to
Speaker 1: be on the sixth floor wherever Conan Studio was. Then
Speaker 1: I was to go to eight age because it was
Speaker 1: just like Conan there and you saw like like Max
Speaker 1: Weinberg's drum want like drums like like and I was
Speaker 1: just like I something about Conan, like staying up past Leno,
Speaker 1: like suffering through Leno in order to watch Conan was
Speaker 1: like such an important ritual for me as a kid,
Speaker 1: and like it did like inform my whole sensibility, I
Speaker 1: think absolutely, because it was weird ship It was so
Speaker 1: weird and funny. Oh my god, it took you. It
Speaker 1: made it okay to just take some real swings, you know.
Speaker 1: And they had mrs early on, but nothing, nothing ever
Speaker 1: missed for me because I was just a kid, and
Speaker 1: like it was just just to take those ships, to
Speaker 1: have a masturbating bear, to have all those like silly
Speaker 1: things that like maybe now wouldn't hold up as much
Speaker 1: like back then, I was like, what the fund is happening? Was?
Speaker 1: So I loved I love hearing about like, You're right,
Speaker 1: it's like watching Conan and is why who I am?
Speaker 1: And that's why I told them the first time I met,
Speaker 1: and I go, You're why I do this? Like you
Speaker 1: made this? And he was just it was because it's true.
Speaker 1: But to Matt, to hear you say that, Kelly Clarkson
Speaker 1: like helped you feel like process that and like feel
Speaker 1: like maybe there was a chance, like when I see
Speaker 1: when I watched the Billie Eilish documentary and I see
Speaker 1: girls like being like I'd be dead without you, Billy,
Speaker 1: Like I always go, yeah, really you'd be, And I
Speaker 1: actually feel i've I've I never related it to that
Speaker 1: as like a young girl, so I think that that's
Speaker 1: why I look at that and I go, what is
Speaker 1: that young girl saying? I would have? But as a
Speaker 1: as an adult woman, like I do feel that way
Speaker 1: about Taylor Swift, like I would have a lot of
Speaker 1: heart of her of a time accepting myself and like
Speaker 1: getting to the who I am now with my self
Speaker 1: esteem and like what I want and how I want
Speaker 1: to like, uh, how I want to feel and what's
Speaker 1: okay to feel because of her, Like I really would
Speaker 1: be a different person without her, And I'm proud to
Speaker 1: be a someone that is that impacted by people I
Speaker 1: don't know by art. I like, it's not I don't.
Speaker 1: I am not ashamed of being a just like a
Speaker 1: stay on it. It makes me feel fourteen again, like
Speaker 1: caring about the loving being a fan that hard and
Speaker 1: being obsessive, which is like something that I've always been
Speaker 1: in my life. Like I like that it doesn't go
Speaker 1: away as as an adult because it makes me feel young,
Speaker 1: Like it's the way to keep in touch with the
Speaker 1: inner child, and that is important. And so many times,
Speaker 1: uh that comes under attack, you know, especially like in
Speaker 1: an ugly world, you know what I mean, Like in
Speaker 1: a world that's like dark, and I I that's something
Speaker 1: that I mean, I mean, I think that's one reason
Speaker 1: why we still love doing the podcast so much, because
Speaker 1: this podcast can be a celebration of like loving what
Speaker 1: we love um And so that's why I like to
Speaker 1: have conversations like I know that Bowen and I like
Speaker 1: love to have conversations like the one we just had
Speaker 1: because it's a it's a place to come here and
Speaker 1: not feel like you have to be like, well, my
Speaker 1: guilty pleasure is No, it's like there's no that's that's
Speaker 1: never the frame never, and it's just it's that's there's
Speaker 1: not a lot of space spaces for that. And that's
Speaker 1: when I do look for other swift Ease. And I
Speaker 1: wear a lot of Swift merchandise, not because in t shirts,
Speaker 1: not because I'm like I want to promote her, but
Speaker 1: because I like want to find other swift Ease. It's
Speaker 1: like I'm peacocking for friends because I'm like, I want
Speaker 1: more people in my life like I would really when
Speaker 1: I look for like a boyfriend, I'm like, I really
Speaker 1: need you to like Swift, Like I don't want you
Speaker 1: to just tolerate it. I will play that song to
Speaker 1: to make you get through your feelings tolerated Taylor Swift,
Speaker 1: and maybe you'll start to like her because she'll help
Speaker 1: you with process those feelings that you're feeling when you
Speaker 1: let me listen to Cruel Summer on repeat. But I
Speaker 1: mean we never got our Cruel summer video, and I'm
Speaker 1: still waiting. We never did. I will say I hadn't.
Speaker 1: I had an X that I have one X that's
Speaker 1: a full Swift E and like way even beyond the
Speaker 1: me or maybe even anyone here, which is crazy. And
Speaker 1: then another X and another X who didn't lie her
Speaker 1: because he thought that her he didn't he didn't connect
Speaker 1: to lyrics he likes. He like the melodies weren't interesting enough,
Speaker 1: and he quote unquote didn't connect to lyrics. And I
Speaker 1: was like, I think this might be a deal breaker
Speaker 1: for us. I was like, I don't understand that ideology. Yeah,
Speaker 1: if you actively don't like Taylor Swift, it would never
Speaker 1: work with us. Also in that category, Veep. Veep is
Speaker 1: another show that if you can't if you don't like Veep,
Speaker 1: if you haven't, and I understand if you haven't seen it,
Speaker 1: but if you watch it and you're not into it,
Speaker 1: it's no, I wouldn't. I'd be more I'd be more
Speaker 1: likely to date a guy that like wanted kids and
Speaker 1: I don't want kids, then I wouldn't. I think that's
Speaker 1: a first state conversation, Like I really do have it on.
Speaker 1: I used to put on a dating profile of like
Speaker 1: just if you it just cuts the it cuts the
Speaker 1: people out of my life I don't want. And that's
Speaker 1: the thing that like TV and music, Taylor Swift is
Speaker 1: such a personal thing that it's okay if you don't
Speaker 1: like her, but if you if you're like bothered and
Speaker 1: like Nicky's doing singing again because my roommate Andrew, he
Speaker 1: he's told people like like on our podcast, you all
Speaker 1: think that Nikki is like a fan of Taylor Swift shocks,
Speaker 1: but you have no idea what it's like to live
Speaker 1: with someone like that. This is all she and that's
Speaker 1: part of that is like I'm trying to learn her
Speaker 1: songs and guitar, so I'm playing them over and over
Speaker 1: all the time. But um, yeah, she's a major part
Speaker 1: of my life. She's she's, she's she's folded into every
Speaker 1: aspect of it. Yes, same here for us, it is
Speaker 1: time for I don't think so, honey. So this Nikki
Speaker 1: is the sort of finale of the show where we
Speaker 1: take sixty seconds to sort of, you know, really come
Speaker 1: for something in pop culture that we're not as happy
Speaker 1: with as say Taylor Swift. In fact, we we we
Speaker 1: were so unhappy that we say I don't think so, honey.
Speaker 1: Name of thing um, I do have one bowen and
Speaker 1: it is it is interesting. It's in the world of
Speaker 1: music as well, pop music even. Okay, alright, this is huge.
Speaker 1: This is Matt Rogers. I don't think so many. As
Speaker 1: time starts now, I don't think so, honey. Whatever bullshit
Speaker 1: is going on that keeps Little Mixed from happening in America?
Speaker 1: Because is shunning out Bob's Bob after Bob, and I
Speaker 1: don't know what this dark magic is. I don't know
Speaker 1: whatever it's going on behind the scenes that keep them
Speaker 1: from hopping off in America, black magic even because let
Speaker 1: me tell you something, Confetti featuring Sweedie, Oh my god,
Speaker 1: the girls have never been stronger. And let me tell
Speaker 1: you something also, I don't think so, honey. Any Jesse haters,
Speaker 1: especially when you call yourself a little bit if you're
Speaker 1: a Little Mixed fan, you support Jesse and you want
Speaker 1: this for Jesse, and you understand why Jesse. It's fine
Speaker 1: that she goes and makes new music and had nothing
Speaker 1: to do with that her leaving the group. That's a sidebar.
Speaker 1: I don't think so honey. Whatever is going on shout
Speaker 1: out to my ex should have been a huge hit.
Speaker 1: Holiday should have been a huge hit. Sweet Melody. I
Speaker 1: don't understand why it's not number one in America. What
Speaker 1: is going on? Is the payola scheme? You have to
Speaker 1: ask this question. I don't think so, honey. Whoever is
Speaker 1: handling them maybe the new new people to Hell in
Speaker 1: America because they are bob on Bobs on bobs. They've
Speaker 1: never been stronger as a trio. Listened to acoustic version
Speaker 1: of Confetti now, I don't think so, honey, And that's
Speaker 1: one minute wow. I mean they are they have never
Speaker 1: they've never been better, and that they I will say,
Speaker 1: everyone is healthier as a result of the recent change
Speaker 1: with Jesse leaving. We support Jesse, but I am a
Speaker 1: little mixed Stan I'm a mixer, and I have to
Speaker 1: say I want them bigger than they are in America.
Speaker 1: I want to hear them on the radio. There's some
Speaker 1: value though, and and and and just like a group
Speaker 1: being niche in away like Kylie Mineo gave up on
Speaker 1: being like big in America like decades ago, and I
Speaker 1: think she's been fine. And the US Americans who do
Speaker 1: love Kylie just make it it feels like it's our
Speaker 1: Little our little not secret, but it's like, oh, she's
Speaker 1: for us, and she's she's not for the rep for
Speaker 1: like the general pop of the U s. I. You know,
Speaker 1: I think what bothers me is what they want. It
Speaker 1: they wanted, I know, but at some point they might
Speaker 1: not want it. If it's if it does if it
Speaker 1: doesn't work out. Little Mixed Black Magic is such a bop.
Speaker 1: It is so good. It's about eating pussy. It's so good.
Speaker 1: Do you feel this one? It is? It is about
Speaker 1: eating pussy. It's about it's about like I have like
Speaker 1: eat my pussy like it's it's get on your get
Speaker 1: on the floor to it's it's all about go down
Speaker 1: on me. For me, it was like, yes, yes, go
Speaker 1: down on Well, now we're sort of I feel like
Speaker 1: we're in a revolution of you know, women being like no,
Speaker 1: go down on me like it's it's I mean like
Speaker 1: in the past ten years, I feel like we've now
Speaker 1: gotten like Nicki Minaj single headedly isn't has now changed
Speaker 1: at all. I mean now fucking getting your ass eight
Speaker 1: is is like normal gener not really, it's that is
Speaker 1: just that's part of the court. That's first base. It's huge,
Speaker 1: truly it's first Base as eating his first base. Real
Speaker 1: Culture Number thirty three is first Base. Now Bow and Yang,
Speaker 1: we have your I don't think so, honey. Are you
Speaker 1: ready to go? I'm ready. This is bo I don't
Speaker 1: think Sonny his time starts now. I don't think so, honey.
Speaker 1: We're rebooting Dan Brown book adaptations. There are so many
Speaker 1: things wrong with this. First of all, how are you
Speaker 1: gonna replace Tom Hanks in anything right? Tom Hanks? Second
Speaker 1: of all, it's like rebooting this series that no one
Speaker 1: actually really cares about. It just makes no sense to me, right, Like,
Speaker 1: there's no there's no like sentimental capital thing to like
Speaker 1: grow from that, and it hasn't even been that long
Speaker 1: since the last one. I have no real comedic take
Speaker 1: on this. It's just like it feels like rebooting. Like
Speaker 1: let's say, I don't know, I don't I can't come
Speaker 1: up with an example that doesn't shut on the actual
Speaker 1: example for being canceled, you know what I mean, or
Speaker 1: for being like something that nobody cares about it. But
Speaker 1: it's like it's like rebooting um Mr and Mrs Smith.
Speaker 1: We we know what it's just No, people love Mr
Speaker 1: and Mrs Smith though, but rebooting like it's like it's
Speaker 1: like rebooting like Grounded for Life, like a solid sitcom
Speaker 1: that a solid sitcom that not enough people can heard about.
Speaker 1: It's like I loved Grounded for Life. By the way,
Speaker 1: that's one. Do do we remember Grounded for Life? Yeah?
Speaker 1: That guy. It was a great guy. I thought it
Speaker 1: was really funny. I didn't know they were doing this.
Speaker 1: It's like sexy Robert Langdon. It's like they're doing like
Speaker 1: the da Vinci code stuff. They're not doing the DaVinci Code,
Speaker 1: but they're they're doing like the newer books or the
Speaker 1: prequels and anyway. I just I just read about this
Speaker 1: in Multuring and it made me mad. Okay, that's my
Speaker 1: little niche thing. NICKI, do you have something that you'd
Speaker 1: like to tell? Yeah? I think I do. I think
Speaker 1: I can fill for six seconds. I just came up
Speaker 1: with one and um, okay, yeah, I think I got one. Okay,
Speaker 1: this is Nicky Glazers. I don't think so honey, her
Speaker 1: time starts now. Okay, I don't think so honey. Um
Speaker 1: banking on Olivia Munn and general anything together like actually
Speaker 1: investing in this relationship, Like, oh, I'm so glad they're together.
Speaker 1: I think it is. I don't. I don't know if anything,
Speaker 1: that I'm actually friends with John. I actually I don't
Speaker 1: think so honey of like commenting on this at all.
Speaker 1: I feel like we should just let it do, do
Speaker 1: what it's gonna do, and not not even speculate, just
Speaker 1: run its course. But you know, it's like it's all
Speaker 1: anyone I know wants to talk about, and I want to.
Speaker 1: I don't think. I don't think so want I don't
Speaker 1: want to like get into it. I just started to
Speaker 1: go away. It reminds Davidson and Ariana Grande, which I
Speaker 1: did love that like love bombing that happened, and I
Speaker 1: wanted that so bad. But I just I'm speculative of
Speaker 1: the circumstances. I want to know so much, but I
Speaker 1: don't think none of my business. I'm out and that
Speaker 1: we will respect. Yes, I have nothing else to say
Speaker 1: because I have there's nothing I want to say. It's
Speaker 1: not he's someone I know, and I don't want to
Speaker 1: gossip about. I don't want talk about. I don't want
Speaker 1: to comment on it. We let's just let go. It's
Speaker 1: gonna it's but it's it can't last. You're you're saying
Speaker 1: you're saying, with with with the with with the initial
Speaker 1: I don't think so, honey, you're saying, and I don't.
Speaker 1: You don't have to elaborate on this. I just want to.
Speaker 1: I just want to help you sort of summarize this.
Speaker 1: You're saying, I don't think so many banking on this
Speaker 1: relationship because it's like the fact that we are invested
Speaker 1: as like a culture in this relationship is not that
Speaker 1: we're projecting everything about j Lo and Ben onto Millennium.
Speaker 1: Olivia may transferred that because we have given up on
Speaker 1: we have given up on a benefit because it seems
Speaker 1: like they hung out, maybe got on a plane together,
Speaker 1: but there hasn't been much less and now we want this.
Speaker 1: We're like, this is exciting and it's it's let's just
Speaker 1: let's just leave it alone. Let's just let's just I
Speaker 1: I we we can respect that. I mean, I'm sure
Speaker 1: the three of us individually have our thoughts on this
Speaker 1: that we can share off. Absolutely. I'm like, we can
Speaker 1: get a LEVI like, like, I've always loved a Jenny Slate.
Speaker 1: Chris Evan's like, I love any comedian really dating a
Speaker 1: very very hot person. Yeah, chuckles and chuckle fuckers can
Speaker 1: be so hot. It's actually real culture seven chuckle hot.
Speaker 1: So whenever whenever anyone is talking to me and I
Speaker 1: genuinely feel like they're out of my league, I'm always
Speaker 1: like what and then I remember, chuckle fuckers can be
Speaker 1: this hot, But they always want to start a podcast
Speaker 1: with me. They don't want to. They don't want to.
Speaker 1: They always want to like have me on their or
Speaker 1: like start talking about like they want to know like
Speaker 1: how to start doing stand up. Like I get that
Speaker 1: a lot. And then I've been misled a lot by
Speaker 1: really hot guys and I'm like, you're out of my league.
Speaker 1: Like sometimes I match with a guy and Ryan, this
Speaker 1: is no joke. I match with a guy on Riya
Speaker 1: who is a pop star sensation like I am a
Speaker 1: huge pop star and I he's young too. It was
Speaker 1: a night where I like made my Riya settings like
Speaker 1: there and so so I so so so I because
Speaker 1: my set I I'd never go that low. I don't
Speaker 1: know what like I was one night, I must have
Speaker 1: been real horning and be like I deserve a young guy.
Speaker 1: So I matched with this like guy and I'm like oh,
Speaker 1: and he messaged me right away. You're the Goat and
Speaker 1: I'm like, fuck, I thought I had no no. I thought,
Speaker 1: but he's a fan. He saw my rose clips recently.
Speaker 1: He's a child writing me you're the Goat. And then
Speaker 1: he did a go to moji and I go, you know,
Speaker 1: thank you. And then he's like, will you roast me?
Speaker 1: And I was like he likes you, and I go no, no, no, guys,
Speaker 1: he's he's a little fan and they were like that,
Speaker 1: and so I said him a roast joke about him,
Speaker 1: and then he was just like, oh my god, funk.
Speaker 1: I've never even thought about my last name like that.
Speaker 1: And I was like, that's all I wrote it. That
Speaker 1: was the last interaction. So I get that a lot.
Speaker 1: But you know, on face value, like this pop star
Speaker 1: that people that that that people like, um telling you
Speaker 1: that he's a fan, that he admires your work, that's something.
Speaker 1: It's awesome, it actually does feel like, but the context
Speaker 1: is shitty because, um, the setting is shifty because god
Speaker 1: like Matt's gotten this too. Like the worst is when
Speaker 1: it's like one multiple guys on Grinder being like this
Speaker 1: is the summer. They're like, would you mind set reading
Speaker 1: my packet for SNL insane? And I was just like
Speaker 1: you got to actually go to prison on the moon
Speaker 1: or something, because how dare you need to go to
Speaker 1: that jail in the Marvel universe that's in the middle
Speaker 1: of the ocean. Yeah, that's what you gotta go to,
Speaker 1: Harry Potter jail, askabam that? Like where? And I used
Speaker 1: to have a joke about It's like, I don't want
Speaker 1: you to respect me comedically. I don't want any guy
Speaker 1: to be like, I'm such a fan. I want you
Speaker 1: to disrespect me sexually like I want you to like
Speaker 1: I want to. I'm it's a different energy. I am
Speaker 1: like a guy that's a fan of mine. I don't
Speaker 1: think I'm ever. I want my obviously my partner to
Speaker 1: appreciate what I do and know that I'm get at
Speaker 1: it and be like, wow, she's impressive. But I don't
Speaker 1: want that to make them horny, Like I want to
Speaker 1: make a guy horny by being like I'm like a
Speaker 1: little I'm like a soft lady and like like I'm
Speaker 1: just like me nurturing. I don't want them to be
Speaker 1: like you just owned that, Mike. I'm like, all they
Speaker 1: should do is get it. They have to get it.
Speaker 1: They understand it to ye yes. Well, I mean, well
Speaker 1: you're well on your way because I'm very happy to
Speaker 1: say we are the podcast that introduced Nicki Glazer to pappers.
Speaker 1: Oh my god, I want an honor is huge. We're
Speaker 1: gonna send you our merch, which is we're gonna give
Speaker 1: you a Taylor Swift sweatshirt. Um, so you have stuff
Speaker 1: coming in the mail. Um and everyone out there, you
Speaker 1: gotta listen to the Nicki Glazer podcast. It sounded almost
Speaker 1: every damn day and one night with Nicky Glazer. She's
Speaker 1: on tour. Um. You can get some tickets to that.
Speaker 1: And also, you know what if you haven't watched watched
Speaker 1: bang In, one of the one of my favorite specials
Speaker 1: on that place. We have been fans for many many years,
Speaker 1: and it's like, I'm just so like it. It's truly.
Speaker 1: It's like when Charlie Pooth deemed me like cool, that
Speaker 1: is really cool that that people that someone that talented
Speaker 1: likes me. It means a lot. Oh my god. Well,
Speaker 1: you know, and Nikki feel free to join in with
Speaker 1: us right now. But you know, we end every episode
Speaker 1: with the song, and I feel like it's got to
Speaker 1: be tast words. So like, what do you need from
Speaker 1: me you can't kill me Chicken name to listen to
Speaker 1: the rest of that listen to a reputation the album
Speaker 1: by Taylor Swift, Bye Bye,