1 00:00:01,040 --> 00:00:04,320 Speaker 1: The following program has been pre reported. Ron Andanian, have 2 00:00:04,440 --> 00:00:07,280 Speaker 1: you noticed the oil really hasn't said a lot about 3 00:00:07,280 --> 00:00:09,680 Speaker 1: an electric vehicle future? What are they holding off on? 4 00:00:09,880 --> 00:00:12,920 Speaker 1: What are they waiting for? You wonder like what's on 5 00:00:12,960 --> 00:00:17,560 Speaker 1: their minds, the Car Doctor? Or is it a totally 6 00:00:17,640 --> 00:00:22,160 Speaker 1: different circuit that's at full tier and you've got two problems? 7 00:00:21,360 --> 00:00:27,280 Speaker 1: Would't that be your look? Right? Welcome to the radio 8 00:00:27,360 --> 00:00:31,920 Speaker 1: home of Ron Andanian, the Car Doctor. Since this is 9 00:00:31,960 --> 00:00:35,680 Speaker 1: where car owners the world overturned to for their definitive 10 00:00:35,720 --> 00:00:39,400 Speaker 1: opinion on automotive repair. If your mechanics giving you a 11 00:00:39,440 --> 00:00:42,519 Speaker 1: busy signal, pick up the phone and call in. The 12 00:00:42,600 --> 00:00:45,239 Speaker 1: garage doors are open, but I am here to take 13 00:00:45,280 --> 00:00:48,519 Speaker 1: your calls at eight five five five six D and 14 00:00:48,600 --> 00:00:55,000 Speaker 1: now he running. You know, it's just another great hour 15 00:00:55,080 --> 00:00:57,440 Speaker 1: of order repair a head, folks, and thanks for stopping 16 00:00:57,440 --> 00:00:59,640 Speaker 1: by today. I've got a lot of things I want 17 00:00:59,680 --> 00:01:01,000 Speaker 1: to talk to about. We're gonna get to the phones 18 00:01:01,080 --> 00:01:02,800 Speaker 1: right away because I can see that they're backed up 19 00:01:02,800 --> 00:01:04,600 Speaker 1: and stacked up. I want to talk a little bit 20 00:01:04,600 --> 00:01:07,840 Speaker 1: more about Lens Susio the He is a politician from 21 00:01:07,880 --> 00:01:10,800 Speaker 1: Connecticut that's made some really interesting comments about the electric 22 00:01:10,800 --> 00:01:14,920 Speaker 1: car future. Um and and actually using facts and and 23 00:01:14,920 --> 00:01:18,240 Speaker 1: and quoting comments from Toyota and Honda that uh, you know, 24 00:01:18,400 --> 00:01:21,119 Speaker 1: just g is what a concept. You know, it's uh, 25 00:01:21,440 --> 00:01:23,800 Speaker 1: it's what what we really could expect to see for 26 00:01:23,840 --> 00:01:25,720 Speaker 1: electric cars. We'll talk about that a little bit later, 27 00:01:25,760 --> 00:01:28,160 Speaker 1: but right now, let's get the garage doors open right away. 28 00:01:28,240 --> 00:01:31,520 Speaker 1: Let's go to Mark and Louisiana ninety seven, Toyota camera, Mark. 29 00:01:31,560 --> 00:01:34,759 Speaker 1: Welcome to the car, doctor, sir, how can I help? Yeah, Ron, 30 00:01:34,840 --> 00:01:37,840 Speaker 1: thanks for taking a call. Welcome. I have a P 31 00:01:38,240 --> 00:01:42,920 Speaker 1: zero four oh one code, and you know it's uh 32 00:01:42,959 --> 00:01:50,080 Speaker 1: insufficient R gas exhaust gas and uh check the vacuum hoses. 33 00:01:50,200 --> 00:01:53,240 Speaker 1: That didn't seem to find any leaks. And I put 34 00:01:53,360 --> 00:01:56,320 Speaker 1: vacuum on the e g R valve and it holds 35 00:01:56,320 --> 00:01:59,080 Speaker 1: a vacuum and the engine buys if you do that 36 00:01:59,160 --> 00:02:02,840 Speaker 1: when it's idol and and and this car has the 37 00:02:03,800 --> 00:02:11,600 Speaker 1: electronic vacuum switching valve exactly, and um it seems to 38 00:02:11,680 --> 00:02:15,520 Speaker 1: be working. And UM, when I'm driving the car, I 39 00:02:15,560 --> 00:02:19,000 Speaker 1: put a vacuum gauge in line with the e g 40 00:02:19,240 --> 00:02:22,080 Speaker 1: R valve. And after the car is warmed up, when 41 00:02:22,120 --> 00:02:25,440 Speaker 1: it's supposed to be activated. I get about three inches 42 00:02:25,520 --> 00:02:30,560 Speaker 1: of vacuum, and I'm kind of suspecting that it could 43 00:02:30,600 --> 00:02:37,600 Speaker 1: be the vacuum modulator uh intermittently not you know, operating correctly. 44 00:02:38,160 --> 00:02:40,600 Speaker 1: And then the other thing that I noticed when this 45 00:02:40,720 --> 00:02:44,400 Speaker 1: happened is when I cleared the code for that uh 46 00:02:44,600 --> 00:02:47,800 Speaker 1: p O four oh one. When I start the car 47 00:02:47,880 --> 00:02:51,000 Speaker 1: up in the morning, the first time that the A 48 00:02:51,160 --> 00:02:54,680 Speaker 1: C compressor clicks on, the check engine light will just 49 00:02:54,760 --> 00:02:57,880 Speaker 1: flash on for about a second and then don't go off. 50 00:02:58,400 --> 00:03:00,560 Speaker 1: And I don't know if that could be related to 51 00:03:00,600 --> 00:03:04,240 Speaker 1: this problem or not. Is it What are you using 52 00:03:04,280 --> 00:03:08,200 Speaker 1: for a code reader? Mark? Uh? Well, I just took 53 00:03:08,200 --> 00:03:10,359 Speaker 1: it to o'riley's and they just did it with their 54 00:03:10,400 --> 00:03:15,800 Speaker 1: code reader. So, you know, you could have the beginnings 55 00:03:15,840 --> 00:03:18,040 Speaker 1: of another fault. You could have the beginnings of the 56 00:03:18,080 --> 00:03:20,440 Speaker 1: four oh one. But let's let's let's work on the 57 00:03:20,480 --> 00:03:23,079 Speaker 1: four oh one. Alright, Let's let's stay with that. Let's 58 00:03:23,080 --> 00:03:25,320 Speaker 1: fix what we know is broken, like I always say. 59 00:03:25,360 --> 00:03:27,119 Speaker 1: And if you have to go back to O'Reilly Oto 60 00:03:27,200 --> 00:03:29,839 Speaker 1: parts to get the you know, to get another code read, 61 00:03:29,880 --> 00:03:33,960 Speaker 1: then yeah, let's do that. So three inches is the 62 00:03:34,040 --> 00:03:37,800 Speaker 1: low side of the scale, all right, they really they 63 00:03:37,840 --> 00:03:42,240 Speaker 1: The spec is three to seven all right, and being 64 00:03:42,280 --> 00:03:44,920 Speaker 1: that this is an older vehicle, I'd want to see 65 00:03:44,960 --> 00:03:49,400 Speaker 1: a little more than three. So you know, let's do 66 00:03:49,480 --> 00:03:52,000 Speaker 1: this if we go right to the source. First of all, 67 00:03:52,080 --> 00:03:56,560 Speaker 1: what's manifold vacuum coming to the vs V to the 68 00:03:56,800 --> 00:04:03,680 Speaker 1: vacuum switching valve? You know what's manifold vacuum? Is that low? Yeah? Right? Uh, 69 00:04:03,720 --> 00:04:05,440 Speaker 1: you know, let's see what do we have going in? 70 00:04:05,520 --> 00:04:09,320 Speaker 1: What do we have coming out? And one thing I 71 00:04:09,360 --> 00:04:12,680 Speaker 1: did do and because uh, you know, if I just 72 00:04:12,760 --> 00:04:16,720 Speaker 1: hooked the vacuum gauge up to the hose that connects 73 00:04:16,800 --> 00:04:19,320 Speaker 1: to the vacuum I mean to the g R valve, 74 00:04:19,920 --> 00:04:25,799 Speaker 1: you get about ten inches of vacuum, right, Okay, Well 75 00:04:26,040 --> 00:04:28,159 Speaker 1: so you're saying it idle, you've only got ten inches 76 00:04:28,160 --> 00:04:33,720 Speaker 1: of manifold vacuum. Well, I mean that's that's when you 77 00:04:34,040 --> 00:04:36,440 Speaker 1: that's when I accelerate a little bit. It goes up 78 00:04:36,480 --> 00:04:39,919 Speaker 1: to t M okay, because you're you're on a ported 79 00:04:39,960 --> 00:04:44,440 Speaker 1: vacuum line. That's why. Yeah, all right, um, and just 80 00:04:44,560 --> 00:04:47,799 Speaker 1: for giggles, I don't think they can be hooked up wrong. 81 00:04:47,880 --> 00:04:49,760 Speaker 1: But you traced that. I'm sure you traced out the 82 00:04:49,800 --> 00:04:53,120 Speaker 1: vacuum lines. They're all plugged into the right spot. And 83 00:04:53,160 --> 00:04:55,719 Speaker 1: you happy you happen to look inside. Yeah, you know, 84 00:04:55,720 --> 00:04:57,960 Speaker 1: you gotta look at all the little things. Right, you 85 00:04:58,040 --> 00:05:01,320 Speaker 1: looked inside the vacuum nipples. There's no carbon deposits. Maybe 86 00:05:01,360 --> 00:05:03,880 Speaker 1: took a small drill bit or a wire and just 87 00:05:03,960 --> 00:05:05,479 Speaker 1: you know, kind of flushed them out and try to 88 00:05:05,520 --> 00:05:07,960 Speaker 1: rot a root room. Make sure they're clear and clean, 89 00:05:08,920 --> 00:05:13,920 Speaker 1: you know, because yet you know you're you're chasing. I've 90 00:05:13,920 --> 00:05:16,560 Speaker 1: seen an inch of vacuum make a difference for this code. 91 00:05:17,560 --> 00:05:21,640 Speaker 1: That's that's that's how fussy it gets, all right, you know, 92 00:05:21,800 --> 00:05:24,080 Speaker 1: but the rule of thumb was it was, you know, 93 00:05:24,200 --> 00:05:26,400 Speaker 1: make sure it stalls it idle if you pull the 94 00:05:26,400 --> 00:05:28,600 Speaker 1: e g R valve open or if you apply vacuum 95 00:05:28,680 --> 00:05:31,040 Speaker 1: pulls it open. You want to look at the vacuum 96 00:05:31,080 --> 00:05:33,520 Speaker 1: signal to the valve when you're driving. You should see 97 00:05:33,520 --> 00:05:35,960 Speaker 1: a range of three to seven three to eight inches 98 00:05:36,480 --> 00:05:39,960 Speaker 1: something like that. If the vacuums low. You just want 99 00:05:39,960 --> 00:05:42,320 Speaker 1: to make sure that the ports are clean and that 100 00:05:42,400 --> 00:05:44,840 Speaker 1: the intake and the e g R vacuum modulator are 101 00:05:44,839 --> 00:05:50,560 Speaker 1: working correctly, all right, yeah, all right? And then you 102 00:05:50,600 --> 00:05:52,640 Speaker 1: want to look at the E g R vacuum switching 103 00:05:52,720 --> 00:05:56,360 Speaker 1: valve and that's located under the intake. Yeah, you want 104 00:05:56,400 --> 00:05:58,920 Speaker 1: to make sure that's not creating a low vacuum signal. 105 00:05:59,000 --> 00:06:02,320 Speaker 1: Even though the hoses look good, are they hard and brittle? 106 00:06:02,320 --> 00:06:07,839 Speaker 1: Are they seeping vacuum around the nipple? Alright? Causing a 107 00:06:07,920 --> 00:06:13,200 Speaker 1: small loss? Is that a possibility? All right, I'll check. 108 00:06:13,560 --> 00:06:17,039 Speaker 1: You know, it's it's it's it's not a common thing. 109 00:06:18,040 --> 00:06:20,640 Speaker 1: But if memory serves me correct, there was a little 110 00:06:20,720 --> 00:06:26,440 Speaker 1: filter inside the map sensor that the map sensor the 111 00:06:26,520 --> 00:06:30,560 Speaker 1: vacuum supply screws into the intake manifold. Make sure that's clean. 112 00:06:31,600 --> 00:06:34,560 Speaker 1: I've seen, I've seen someone has a little has a 113 00:06:34,600 --> 00:06:38,840 Speaker 1: little filter on the cap of that vacuum modulator. And 114 00:06:38,880 --> 00:06:42,279 Speaker 1: then um, there was one kind of little bench test 115 00:06:42,320 --> 00:06:44,800 Speaker 1: I was doing on that modulator because it has a 116 00:06:44,880 --> 00:06:49,080 Speaker 1: diaphragm on the bottom of that modulator that uh, the 117 00:06:49,120 --> 00:06:53,839 Speaker 1: exhaust back pressure pushes that diaphragm up and seals a 118 00:06:53,880 --> 00:06:59,600 Speaker 1: little port to all the vacuum. And I don't know 119 00:06:59,640 --> 00:07:02,280 Speaker 1: if that can get old and brittle, and sometimes it's 120 00:07:02,320 --> 00:07:05,600 Speaker 1: just not seeling way all there and causing low vacuum 121 00:07:05,680 --> 00:07:09,480 Speaker 1: or not. Yes, it can, especially now we're what are 122 00:07:09,480 --> 00:07:15,520 Speaker 1: we years old and that and that's the original vacuum modulator. 123 00:07:16,360 --> 00:07:19,480 Speaker 1: But before before we rush out and change that, let 124 00:07:19,480 --> 00:07:23,480 Speaker 1: me say it like this, if if where I tended 125 00:07:23,520 --> 00:07:25,520 Speaker 1: to focus because you know, these cars are a lot 126 00:07:25,560 --> 00:07:28,880 Speaker 1: of these cars are gone. Now, you know, we saw 127 00:07:28,920 --> 00:07:32,680 Speaker 1: on a grander scale there were more problems with the 128 00:07:32,680 --> 00:07:37,640 Speaker 1: connections with the valve itself, with not the E g 129 00:07:37,840 --> 00:07:40,440 Speaker 1: R valve, but the vacuum switching valve under the intake. 130 00:07:41,000 --> 00:07:43,640 Speaker 1: They were the big problems. They would get sticky and 131 00:07:43,720 --> 00:07:46,360 Speaker 1: stuck and they wouldn't they wouldn't allow vacuum to pass 132 00:07:46,440 --> 00:07:49,720 Speaker 1: through at the proper rate carbon deposits and things like that. 133 00:07:50,640 --> 00:07:53,960 Speaker 1: So I had to change that. Actually about five or 134 00:07:53,960 --> 00:07:56,600 Speaker 1: six years ago I had changed that and that was 135 00:07:56,640 --> 00:07:59,360 Speaker 1: the problem back then, you know, So I would I 136 00:07:59,360 --> 00:08:03,800 Speaker 1: would focus is there and you know, my my, just 137 00:08:04,080 --> 00:08:06,800 Speaker 1: one last thought, just like I said, make sure all 138 00:08:06,840 --> 00:08:10,240 Speaker 1: the vacuum lines are good operating water and just oh, 139 00:08:10,280 --> 00:08:12,400 Speaker 1: I know what it was. Keep in mind, there's there 140 00:08:12,440 --> 00:08:15,680 Speaker 1: should be a filter, you know that that a a 141 00:08:15,880 --> 00:08:18,280 Speaker 1: a they call it a gas is filter. It's located 142 00:08:18,280 --> 00:08:22,840 Speaker 1: inside the map sensor vacuum sensor inside the map sensor 143 00:08:22,960 --> 00:08:27,200 Speaker 1: vacuum supply nipple. It screws right into the intake. Make 144 00:08:27,280 --> 00:08:31,840 Speaker 1: sure that's clean, because it looks at map sensor reading 145 00:08:32,080 --> 00:08:35,760 Speaker 1: to determine where the throttle plate is, to determine are 146 00:08:35,800 --> 00:08:38,200 Speaker 1: you an idole? Are you? You know, the map sensor 147 00:08:38,280 --> 00:08:40,800 Speaker 1: reading effects when they expect to see e g R 148 00:08:41,160 --> 00:08:43,200 Speaker 1: and how they know if e g R is working. 149 00:08:43,240 --> 00:08:45,520 Speaker 1: They see a drop or a change in map sensor 150 00:08:45,600 --> 00:08:46,920 Speaker 1: vacuum and they go, well, the e g R of 151 00:08:46,960 --> 00:08:48,920 Speaker 1: album must be open. But if they don't see a 152 00:08:48,920 --> 00:08:53,800 Speaker 1: big enough change, then they're making the assumption that it's 153 00:08:53,840 --> 00:08:56,960 Speaker 1: not working. And if that filter is restricted or clogged. 154 00:08:57,280 --> 00:09:00,280 Speaker 1: So what I'm saying is map sensor operation and can 155 00:09:00,280 --> 00:09:02,719 Speaker 1: actually cause this fault code And it has nothing to 156 00:09:02,760 --> 00:09:05,400 Speaker 1: do with the e g R circuit. It wasn't common. 157 00:09:06,040 --> 00:09:09,240 Speaker 1: It wasn't common. But you know that's a breakdown of 158 00:09:09,280 --> 00:09:13,440 Speaker 1: how that circuit worked, all right, Listen. I actually saw 159 00:09:13,440 --> 00:09:17,719 Speaker 1: in a couple of cases bad oxygen sensors caused P 160 00:09:17,920 --> 00:09:22,520 Speaker 1: zero four oh ones because they also expect to see 161 00:09:22,559 --> 00:09:26,320 Speaker 1: a certain reading off the O two censor when the 162 00:09:26,360 --> 00:09:30,079 Speaker 1: e g R is working, as it changes the fuel 163 00:09:30,120 --> 00:09:33,360 Speaker 1: mixture of the vehicle because you're changing you're you're introducing 164 00:09:33,400 --> 00:09:37,319 Speaker 1: exhaust back into the intake. If that makes sense. Not common, 165 00:09:37,400 --> 00:09:41,680 Speaker 1: but just go ahead. Well what about that, uh check 166 00:09:41,720 --> 00:09:45,600 Speaker 1: engine light coming on for a second, when the air 167 00:09:45,640 --> 00:09:48,280 Speaker 1: conditioner the first time it comes on in the morning, 168 00:09:48,559 --> 00:09:53,240 Speaker 1: the compressor. I'd love to check engine. I'd love to 169 00:09:53,240 --> 00:09:55,320 Speaker 1: have a scan tool on it. I'd love to I'd 170 00:09:55,320 --> 00:09:57,200 Speaker 1: love to see what fault code might be there. And 171 00:09:57,280 --> 00:09:59,320 Speaker 1: what you know is that the moment where the e 172 00:09:59,440 --> 00:10:02,240 Speaker 1: g R is is not operating when it's first starts 173 00:10:02,280 --> 00:10:05,520 Speaker 1: up and the A C compressor is affecting load. But 174 00:10:06,679 --> 00:10:09,079 Speaker 1: you know, without a scan tool, it's it's it's one 175 00:10:09,120 --> 00:10:12,839 Speaker 1: of possibilities. That's the problem. Yeah, Well do those scan 176 00:10:12,960 --> 00:10:16,600 Speaker 1: tools like they have it? O'Reilly's Well, they uh pick 177 00:10:16,679 --> 00:10:19,520 Speaker 1: up a code that's not a O B D two code. 178 00:10:19,840 --> 00:10:22,280 Speaker 1: I don't know if they're doing AR make model specific 179 00:10:22,400 --> 00:10:24,280 Speaker 1: or if they're doing O B D two. Most of 180 00:10:24,280 --> 00:10:26,800 Speaker 1: the parts houses are doing O B D two specific 181 00:10:27,480 --> 00:10:30,559 Speaker 1: and that may not have set into a hard fault yet. 182 00:10:31,920 --> 00:10:34,680 Speaker 1: So don't don't fix don't fixate on it. Mark it 183 00:10:34,679 --> 00:10:36,480 Speaker 1: will make you crazy. You know what fix what you 184 00:10:36,520 --> 00:10:39,840 Speaker 1: know is bad. So don't have don't have don't have 185 00:10:39,880 --> 00:10:45,559 Speaker 1: analysis paralysis? Is I like to say? So? Alright, alright, sir, 186 00:10:45,840 --> 00:10:47,480 Speaker 1: thank you very much. Let us know what happens. If 187 00:10:47,520 --> 00:10:48,880 Speaker 1: you need more help, you know where to find us. 188 00:10:50,120 --> 00:10:52,920 Speaker 1: Zero running any of the car Doctor coming back right 189 00:10:52,920 --> 00:11:10,640 Speaker 1: after this time, riding on the wall, so you don't 190 00:11:10,640 --> 00:11:13,160 Speaker 1: forget to call for a car advice. Done right eight 191 00:11:13,240 --> 00:11:18,120 Speaker 1: five five five zero nine zero zero. Now back to raw. Hey, 192 00:11:18,200 --> 00:11:22,720 Speaker 1: let's get over and talk to John in Virginia. John, 193 00:11:22,720 --> 00:11:24,320 Speaker 1: welcome to the Car Doctor, Sir, how can I help? 194 00:11:26,040 --> 00:11:31,880 Speaker 1: I have a friend of you, the UH to comb 195 00:11:31,920 --> 00:11:35,120 Speaker 1: a pickup truck, and it's been sitting for about ten 196 00:11:35,200 --> 00:11:38,240 Speaker 1: years and i'd like to try to get it resussitated. 197 00:11:38,960 --> 00:11:41,840 Speaker 1: I know that drain out the fuel tank, putting some 198 00:11:41,960 --> 00:11:45,920 Speaker 1: fresh gas, and probably have to change out to maybe 199 00:11:46,160 --> 00:11:48,920 Speaker 1: UH cam belt, the battery, but I didn't know quite 200 00:11:48,920 --> 00:11:51,079 Speaker 1: what to do about the engine. I was raid if 201 00:11:51,120 --> 00:11:53,360 Speaker 1: I try to turn it over it might scratch some 202 00:11:53,440 --> 00:11:55,560 Speaker 1: of the cylinders. So I was wondering if there's something 203 00:11:55,600 --> 00:11:58,280 Speaker 1: that I could spray into it, take out a spar 204 00:11:58,440 --> 00:12:01,200 Speaker 1: pluck spray in there to protect him. When I first 205 00:12:01,240 --> 00:12:03,840 Speaker 1: try to. I mean, it wouldn't hurt to you know, 206 00:12:03,920 --> 00:12:06,440 Speaker 1: pull plugs, put a couple of drops of oil in hand, 207 00:12:06,440 --> 00:12:08,680 Speaker 1: crank the engine if you could, if you have that 208 00:12:08,720 --> 00:12:11,120 Speaker 1: ability to, you know, just to spread it around and 209 00:12:11,200 --> 00:12:15,480 Speaker 1: get what you're saying. My bigger concern is and I 210 00:12:15,520 --> 00:12:17,439 Speaker 1: would look at the condition of the engine oil pulled 211 00:12:17,480 --> 00:12:20,280 Speaker 1: the dipstick. Is it rusty and cruddy? Doesn't look fresh 212 00:12:20,320 --> 00:12:22,920 Speaker 1: and clean? You know? What? What kind of shape is 213 00:12:22,960 --> 00:12:25,360 Speaker 1: the oil in just right now? Is it's sitting in 214 00:12:25,400 --> 00:12:28,280 Speaker 1: the truck, you know? And that's that'll be a good 215 00:12:28,280 --> 00:12:31,679 Speaker 1: indicator to why did they park it? They just didn't 216 00:12:31,720 --> 00:12:33,640 Speaker 1: need it for ten years? Just out of curiosity. I'm 217 00:12:33,640 --> 00:12:37,680 Speaker 1: always interested to know why people do that. Uh. Yeah, 218 00:12:37,880 --> 00:12:40,760 Speaker 1: I just don't think that she inherited it. And she 219 00:12:41,080 --> 00:12:43,920 Speaker 1: drove a car and she would drive that truck, she 220 00:12:44,000 --> 00:12:45,880 Speaker 1: told me from time to time, But she didn't really 221 00:12:45,920 --> 00:12:48,000 Speaker 1: need it. And then it just started to sit there 222 00:12:48,679 --> 00:12:51,800 Speaker 1: and sit there some more, and then she was afraid 223 00:12:51,880 --> 00:12:53,559 Speaker 1: to start it, and then I think the battery went 224 00:12:53,720 --> 00:12:57,280 Speaker 1: did and uh and that brings us to today. I 225 00:12:57,360 --> 00:12:59,840 Speaker 1: was over there helped her out with something else. And 226 00:12:59,880 --> 00:13:02,720 Speaker 1: I've seen this truck there for for a few years 227 00:13:02,800 --> 00:13:06,040 Speaker 1: and answer about it, and well maybe you can get 228 00:13:06,080 --> 00:13:08,120 Speaker 1: start because I think she could really use it. Is 229 00:13:08,920 --> 00:13:12,320 Speaker 1: the vehicle been parked outside inside where they've been keeping 230 00:13:12,320 --> 00:13:15,040 Speaker 1: it outside? It's outside, so you know. The other thing 231 00:13:15,120 --> 00:13:17,880 Speaker 1: to think about is, uh, it's in Virginia. I assume 232 00:13:19,360 --> 00:13:24,280 Speaker 1: harsh winters. Uh, well, the laws aren't too bad, but 233 00:13:24,320 --> 00:13:26,319 Speaker 1: it's got a lot of mold on, you know. And 234 00:13:27,640 --> 00:13:30,520 Speaker 1: you know I would I would grab a medium sized 235 00:13:30,559 --> 00:13:34,199 Speaker 1: ballpeen hammer and try and get underneath it and start 236 00:13:34,240 --> 00:13:39,360 Speaker 1: tapping the frame. You know, how how solid does it feel? 237 00:13:39,440 --> 00:13:43,720 Speaker 1: How solid does it sound? You know, because they will 238 00:13:43,840 --> 00:13:46,120 Speaker 1: rot the frame when they're sitting like that. And then 239 00:13:46,120 --> 00:13:49,640 Speaker 1: you're into structural stuff, and you know, there's there's there's 240 00:13:49,679 --> 00:13:52,000 Speaker 1: nothing like trying to put a roof in upstairs on 241 00:13:52,040 --> 00:13:54,520 Speaker 1: a house when you've got water in the basement. So 242 00:13:54,640 --> 00:13:57,560 Speaker 1: before you before you get too deep. And then the 243 00:13:57,559 --> 00:13:59,400 Speaker 1: other comment I want to make, the other point of 244 00:13:59,440 --> 00:14:02,120 Speaker 1: concern I have it if the gas tank is empty, 245 00:14:02,160 --> 00:14:06,320 Speaker 1: that's great, but you know, was there was it in 246 00:14:06,320 --> 00:14:09,120 Speaker 1: a situation where there was condensation or moisture that formed 247 00:14:09,160 --> 00:14:11,959 Speaker 1: on the inside of the tank and when you put 248 00:14:12,000 --> 00:14:14,319 Speaker 1: fresh gasoline and isn't gonna wash the rust off and 249 00:14:14,360 --> 00:14:20,680 Speaker 1: then pump it through to the engine. So that's right 250 00:14:20,760 --> 00:14:24,240 Speaker 1: because I believe in ninety six. Now, if it's a 251 00:14:24,240 --> 00:14:26,400 Speaker 1: if it's a plastic tank, we don't have that issue. 252 00:14:26,480 --> 00:14:28,680 Speaker 1: But if it's a metal tank, and I believe in 253 00:14:28,760 --> 00:14:32,800 Speaker 1: ninety six it is I'm trying to remember what looked like. 254 00:14:32,920 --> 00:14:35,480 Speaker 1: But if that's a metal tank, that that could be 255 00:14:35,520 --> 00:14:38,320 Speaker 1: a concern. Ten years is a long time. Have you 256 00:14:38,600 --> 00:14:41,360 Speaker 1: taken the gas cap off and tried smelling the tank? 257 00:14:41,440 --> 00:14:44,440 Speaker 1: For lack of a better way to put it, I no, 258 00:14:44,560 --> 00:14:46,560 Speaker 1: I haven't you know it? Does it? Does it smell 259 00:14:46,640 --> 00:14:49,400 Speaker 1: like varnish? Does it smell like gasoline? What does it? 260 00:14:49,600 --> 00:14:52,320 Speaker 1: You know? What does it seem like? Now? The other 261 00:14:52,480 --> 00:14:56,000 Speaker 1: thing is if that's a metal tank, older Toyota, Toyota 262 00:14:56,080 --> 00:14:58,840 Speaker 1: was pretty smart, while they still are pretty smart. But 263 00:14:59,360 --> 00:15:02,960 Speaker 1: that may have a drain on it, and you may 264 00:15:03,160 --> 00:15:05,280 Speaker 1: you may be able to drain the tank if there's 265 00:15:05,320 --> 00:15:10,680 Speaker 1: anything excess in there, and you know, go from there. Um. 266 00:15:11,040 --> 00:15:14,120 Speaker 1: You know. The other thing is if you were to follow, 267 00:15:14,240 --> 00:15:17,960 Speaker 1: you know, trace the line forward and disconnected at the 268 00:15:18,040 --> 00:15:21,560 Speaker 1: engine and you know, you know, put a piece of 269 00:15:21,640 --> 00:15:23,480 Speaker 1: rubber hose on. Go down, go down to your local 270 00:15:23,480 --> 00:15:24,960 Speaker 1: Loto parts store. Put a piece of rubber hose on 271 00:15:24,960 --> 00:15:27,200 Speaker 1: the end of the line and just you know, dump 272 00:15:27,280 --> 00:15:31,080 Speaker 1: the line into a five gallon gas can. You know, 273 00:15:31,240 --> 00:15:34,320 Speaker 1: put five gallons in the tank, shake the vehicle around, 274 00:15:35,160 --> 00:15:38,000 Speaker 1: turn the key on you you should see the pump. 275 00:15:38,800 --> 00:15:41,120 Speaker 1: You know, the pump should start while you're cranking it. 276 00:15:41,600 --> 00:15:44,520 Speaker 1: And does it pump fuel into the gas can? And 277 00:15:44,560 --> 00:15:47,760 Speaker 1: what color fuel comes out? If it's if it's if 278 00:15:47,800 --> 00:15:51,720 Speaker 1: it's if it's rusty and cruddy, then you know, you 279 00:15:51,800 --> 00:15:53,720 Speaker 1: gotta do something with the tank because and you want 280 00:15:53,760 --> 00:15:56,240 Speaker 1: to do that first before you just blindly hook it up, 281 00:15:56,240 --> 00:15:59,320 Speaker 1: thump fuel in and go, because then you pump rust 282 00:15:59,400 --> 00:16:01,960 Speaker 1: and crud up your engine and you know, damage the 283 00:16:02,000 --> 00:16:04,400 Speaker 1: injectors and the rest of the fuel system. For three 284 00:16:04,400 --> 00:16:08,239 Speaker 1: and a half dollars a gallon um, you know that 285 00:16:08,240 --> 00:16:10,200 Speaker 1: that Yeah, that's what I always say. And everybody says, hey, 286 00:16:10,200 --> 00:16:11,680 Speaker 1: where's the dirt come from? I said, hey, you have 287 00:16:11,680 --> 00:16:14,240 Speaker 1: the honor of doing it yourself. You know, two three 288 00:16:14,280 --> 00:16:16,600 Speaker 1: four dollars a gallon and you're pumping dirt into your engine. 289 00:16:17,040 --> 00:16:19,160 Speaker 1: You know, that's the world we live in. So but 290 00:16:19,240 --> 00:16:21,720 Speaker 1: you know, just just some just some common sense stuff, 291 00:16:22,200 --> 00:16:26,800 Speaker 1: you know, automatic or stick. John, it's a stick. It's 292 00:16:26,800 --> 00:16:29,920 Speaker 1: a manual. It's a manual. Good. So you know, how 293 00:16:29,920 --> 00:16:34,360 Speaker 1: does the clutch feel? Does it? You know, clutch felt great? Okay, 294 00:16:35,120 --> 00:16:37,360 Speaker 1: push it in and I just was afraid to start 295 00:16:37,400 --> 00:16:39,760 Speaker 1: it up. Yeah, this thing, this thing may surprise you. 296 00:16:39,800 --> 00:16:41,920 Speaker 1: It may just fire right off and not have any issues. 297 00:16:41,960 --> 00:16:46,920 Speaker 1: I've seen crazier things. You know. It's it depends on 298 00:16:46,960 --> 00:16:50,720 Speaker 1: the storage, you know, it depends on how the story. Listen. 299 00:16:51,000 --> 00:16:52,960 Speaker 1: The seventy two Monty Carlo. I don't know if you've 300 00:16:53,000 --> 00:16:54,720 Speaker 1: heard me. I've talked about it from time to time 301 00:16:54,720 --> 00:16:56,840 Speaker 1: on the show. I found four years ago, three years ago. 302 00:16:57,440 --> 00:16:59,240 Speaker 1: I gotta I gotta drive that car. I just don't 303 00:16:59,280 --> 00:17:01,640 Speaker 1: have time. But I found a seventy two Monty Carlo 304 00:17:01,760 --> 00:17:06,160 Speaker 1: down in Minard, Texas. It had been Yeah, it's fifty 305 00:17:06,240 --> 00:17:08,320 Speaker 1: years old. It was parked in two thousand four. It's 306 00:17:08,320 --> 00:17:11,440 Speaker 1: got forty one miles on it. The gentleman that on 307 00:17:11,680 --> 00:17:15,880 Speaker 1: it passed and his son had the car and and uh, 308 00:17:16,000 --> 00:17:20,359 Speaker 1: you know they got it running in twenties. Seventeen or eighteen. 309 00:17:20,400 --> 00:17:23,280 Speaker 1: I forget, and I think it was eighteen and you 310 00:17:23,280 --> 00:17:26,639 Speaker 1: know they turned the key, it started. Okay, you know 311 00:17:27,080 --> 00:17:29,840 Speaker 1: there there it is. I mean it's stranger things have happened, 312 00:17:30,359 --> 00:17:34,119 Speaker 1: so but you know that's, um, that's just just something 313 00:17:34,119 --> 00:17:36,640 Speaker 1: to be aware of. You can take the precautions. Uh, 314 00:17:36,680 --> 00:17:38,159 Speaker 1: you know, you can just say, oh the heck with it. 315 00:17:38,240 --> 00:17:40,320 Speaker 1: Let's just give it a shot, and you know, see 316 00:17:40,320 --> 00:17:43,080 Speaker 1: where we go. So yeah, when you say, put a 317 00:17:43,080 --> 00:17:45,000 Speaker 1: few drops of oil into the engine and this will 318 00:17:45,040 --> 00:17:47,760 Speaker 1: just be like standard dirty weight or yeah, just you know, 319 00:17:47,960 --> 00:17:50,720 Speaker 1: just just some five thirty just some kind of lubricating 320 00:17:50,760 --> 00:17:53,359 Speaker 1: oil something, you know. I for that matter, can you 321 00:17:53,440 --> 00:17:56,880 Speaker 1: hand crank the engine? Does it crank? You know, that's 322 00:17:57,840 --> 00:18:01,480 Speaker 1: that's the next question, you know, um, you know, or 323 00:18:01,520 --> 00:18:03,600 Speaker 1: if you if you disabled the fuel system so that 324 00:18:03,640 --> 00:18:06,240 Speaker 1: it doesn't put any fuel up to the injectors, if 325 00:18:06,280 --> 00:18:08,480 Speaker 1: you just tap the key a couple of tap tap tap, 326 00:18:08,720 --> 00:18:11,840 Speaker 1: does the starter? Is the starter able to crank the engine? 327 00:18:12,280 --> 00:18:14,000 Speaker 1: That might tell you something too. But I would spin 328 00:18:14,040 --> 00:18:16,000 Speaker 1: it around with some oil in the cylinders, just a 329 00:18:16,000 --> 00:18:18,200 Speaker 1: couple of drops, and then go to fire it. After 330 00:18:18,240 --> 00:18:20,920 Speaker 1: you take the fuel system precautions. Good luck, John, I'm 331 00:18:20,960 --> 00:18:22,719 Speaker 1: running eating of the car. Doctor we're coming back right 332 00:18:22,720 --> 00:18:51,360 Speaker 1: after this. Don't go away, plcome back when I named 333 00:18:51,359 --> 00:18:53,679 Speaker 1: the car doctor and we're here to help. Give us 334 00:18:53,720 --> 00:18:56,960 Speaker 1: a shout at day zero zero zero right now, let's 335 00:18:56,960 --> 00:18:59,439 Speaker 1: get over to urban Virginia, Herb or Herb, I'm sorry 336 00:19:00,119 --> 00:19:06,200 Speaker 1: in Virginia. How are you today, Herb? How can I help? Hey? 337 00:19:06,280 --> 00:19:09,960 Speaker 1: I'm doing just great. Hey, a little reassurance as well. 338 00:19:10,000 --> 00:19:13,480 Speaker 1: There's some advice. UM had to car for about two 339 00:19:13,560 --> 00:19:16,639 Speaker 1: a little over two years, hundred thirty thousand miles on it. 340 00:19:17,000 --> 00:19:19,560 Speaker 1: Finally got around to getting the oil changed and I 341 00:19:19,560 --> 00:19:23,639 Speaker 1: had the mechanic put in diesel grade fifteen W forty. 342 00:19:23,960 --> 00:19:26,920 Speaker 1: He didn't have any problem with that from your expertise, 343 00:19:27,240 --> 00:19:29,800 Speaker 1: you see a problem with using that slightly heavier grade 344 00:19:29,800 --> 00:19:32,560 Speaker 1: and oil and a car for the hearn thirty miles 345 00:19:32,680 --> 00:19:35,120 Speaker 1: miles on the engine. Yeah, I don't know why would 346 00:19:35,160 --> 00:19:39,080 Speaker 1: you do that? What are you trying to achieve? Uh? Well, 347 00:19:39,359 --> 00:19:44,399 Speaker 1: uh more durable oil? And uh is is it still 348 00:19:44,760 --> 00:19:46,680 Speaker 1: something you have to change once every year, even not 349 00:19:46,800 --> 00:19:51,200 Speaker 1: only driving about two thousand miles a year. So your 350 00:19:51,320 --> 00:19:53,080 Speaker 1: theory is and I'm not I'm not picking on you. 351 00:19:53,119 --> 00:19:56,959 Speaker 1: I'm just trying to understand. Um, your Your theory is 352 00:19:57,040 --> 00:20:00,479 Speaker 1: that the thicker oil and something that's rated for diesel 353 00:20:00,520 --> 00:20:05,520 Speaker 1: will be better for gasoline. Yeah, okay. Do you ever 354 00:20:05,560 --> 00:20:10,000 Speaker 1: hear of a company called Driven Racing Oil? All right, 355 00:20:10,520 --> 00:20:15,080 Speaker 1: Driven Racing Oil dot Com. You know, if you want 356 00:20:15,119 --> 00:20:18,000 Speaker 1: to read about motor oil for your particular application and 357 00:20:18,080 --> 00:20:22,040 Speaker 1: older vintage car like this, this is this is some 358 00:20:22,240 --> 00:20:28,440 Speaker 1: really good stuff, all right, Lake Driven Racing Oil dot Com. 359 00:20:28,600 --> 00:20:33,480 Speaker 1: Lake Speed, Yeah, Lake Speed is the is the oil 360 00:20:33,520 --> 00:20:36,000 Speaker 1: oologist I call them. We've had them on the show 361 00:20:36,000 --> 00:20:38,679 Speaker 1: a couple of times, and they talk all about specific 362 00:20:38,720 --> 00:20:41,880 Speaker 1: oils for older vehicles. They've got you know, they've got 363 00:20:41,920 --> 00:20:45,639 Speaker 1: street performance oils with zinc additives in there, which is 364 00:20:45,760 --> 00:20:49,720 Speaker 1: usually why an older car owner such as yourself is 365 00:20:50,119 --> 00:20:54,040 Speaker 1: looking to put in diesel oil, because it's it's got 366 00:20:54,119 --> 00:20:57,359 Speaker 1: specific additives in it that aren't available in gasoline engines, 367 00:20:57,760 --> 00:21:02,200 Speaker 1: the gasoline oils. The problem is it's it's too thick. 368 00:21:04,000 --> 00:21:06,159 Speaker 1: You know. You ever notice how you get out of 369 00:21:06,160 --> 00:21:08,640 Speaker 1: bed first thing in the morning. All your joints don't 370 00:21:08,680 --> 00:21:10,880 Speaker 1: work like they once did, and it takes a little 371 00:21:10,880 --> 00:21:13,119 Speaker 1: while they get things warmed up and and fluid and 372 00:21:13,160 --> 00:21:16,199 Speaker 1: moving and working and right, well, cars are sort of 373 00:21:16,200 --> 00:21:20,120 Speaker 1: the same way, and you know, you've got to think 374 00:21:20,160 --> 00:21:22,600 Speaker 1: about how thick and heavy that oil is when you 375 00:21:22,640 --> 00:21:27,040 Speaker 1: first started. There's something there's all kinds of rating systems. 376 00:21:27,040 --> 00:21:32,240 Speaker 1: There sheer factor, there's cling factor, there's there's so many 377 00:21:32,240 --> 00:21:35,440 Speaker 1: different ways they measure what an oil does and how 378 00:21:35,480 --> 00:21:41,240 Speaker 1: it protects that The thicker is better concept isn't always 379 00:21:41,480 --> 00:21:45,359 Speaker 1: true and correct. You know, you want the oil to 380 00:21:45,400 --> 00:21:49,080 Speaker 1: have a certain amount of viscosity or thinness in some cases, 381 00:21:49,520 --> 00:21:51,760 Speaker 1: to get to those critical points so that it can 382 00:21:51,800 --> 00:21:53,800 Speaker 1: lubricate them so that it's not like getting out of 383 00:21:53,840 --> 00:21:56,280 Speaker 1: bed on a cold winter's morning where your joints hurt 384 00:21:56,280 --> 00:21:58,560 Speaker 1: and it just takes about twenty eight steps before you 385 00:21:58,600 --> 00:22:01,200 Speaker 1: can finally, you know, get downstairs and do what you 386 00:22:01,280 --> 00:22:04,680 Speaker 1: gotta do to start the day. So yeah, I understand 387 00:22:04,680 --> 00:22:06,920 Speaker 1: the concept that when you first start an engine up, 388 00:22:07,600 --> 00:22:11,119 Speaker 1: that's when it probably wears the most right correct because 389 00:22:11,240 --> 00:22:12,919 Speaker 1: you know, we've kind of got to get its juices 390 00:22:13,000 --> 00:22:17,280 Speaker 1: flowing an oil into all the critical spots. And that's 391 00:22:17,320 --> 00:22:21,200 Speaker 1: what driven racing oil talks about. And the primary reason 392 00:22:21,680 --> 00:22:24,560 Speaker 1: I go there is because they're one of the few 393 00:22:24,640 --> 00:22:28,240 Speaker 1: that I know of for an older vehicle all right, 394 00:22:28,320 --> 00:22:31,119 Speaker 1: let me say it like this, the fifty that I have, 395 00:22:31,240 --> 00:22:34,920 Speaker 1: the black Tudor, all right, that's the oil I use 396 00:22:34,960 --> 00:22:38,920 Speaker 1: in that just because their stuff makes the most sense 397 00:22:38,960 --> 00:22:41,160 Speaker 1: when I read the reports, when I read the specs, 398 00:22:41,600 --> 00:22:45,320 Speaker 1: when I read how it's formulated and what they're trying 399 00:22:45,359 --> 00:22:49,080 Speaker 1: to achieve, because an older engine has different lubricating requirements 400 00:22:49,400 --> 00:22:53,040 Speaker 1: than a newer engine. And you know, I get into 401 00:22:53,119 --> 00:22:55,080 Speaker 1: arguments with a lot of my friends because and some 402 00:22:55,119 --> 00:22:56,879 Speaker 1: of them are right there, like you know, listen, do 403 00:22:56,960 --> 00:22:58,920 Speaker 1: you ever think about what kind of oil was originally 404 00:22:58,920 --> 00:23:02,560 Speaker 1: put into a fifty five Chevy into the original to right? 405 00:23:02,640 --> 00:23:05,359 Speaker 1: Heck those cars well, and they didn't even have they 406 00:23:05,359 --> 00:23:08,320 Speaker 1: didn't even have oil filters, right, you know, oil filters 407 00:23:08,320 --> 00:23:10,200 Speaker 1: were an option in fifty five. Did you know that? 408 00:23:10,800 --> 00:23:14,360 Speaker 1: You you know it was a dealer installed option. Uh, 409 00:23:14,440 --> 00:23:17,680 Speaker 1: the the original small block Chevy didn't have an oil filter. 410 00:23:17,760 --> 00:23:20,399 Speaker 1: It was a dealer installed option, like holy count. And 411 00:23:20,480 --> 00:23:23,359 Speaker 1: you know what the filter was literally a roll of 412 00:23:23,400 --> 00:23:27,359 Speaker 1: toilet paper, so you know that that that was it. 413 00:23:27,520 --> 00:23:30,919 Speaker 1: It sort of resembled that that was that was filtration 414 00:23:31,000 --> 00:23:34,919 Speaker 1: back then. So you know, it's it's all these ideas 415 00:23:34,960 --> 00:23:38,159 Speaker 1: about you know how much better the oils. The oils 416 00:23:38,160 --> 00:23:40,679 Speaker 1: have gotten better, the cars have gotten better, but you 417 00:23:40,760 --> 00:23:44,959 Speaker 1: still want to have specific oils, specific additives for the 418 00:23:45,000 --> 00:23:51,040 Speaker 1: application and nets and and that's my point. So one 419 00:23:51,119 --> 00:23:54,480 Speaker 1: question to what's your thoughts on mystery oil. My father 420 00:23:54,640 --> 00:23:57,119 Speaker 1: believed in that and put four ounces in every twenty 421 00:23:57,119 --> 00:23:59,720 Speaker 1: gallons you ever put in a car. Well in your 422 00:23:59,760 --> 00:24:05,439 Speaker 1: fall father's day, okay, things were very different, all right, Listen, 423 00:24:05,520 --> 00:24:08,240 Speaker 1: I still remember my father. My father passed when I 424 00:24:08,280 --> 00:24:11,919 Speaker 1: was eleven, but I still remember my still, you know, 425 00:24:11,960 --> 00:24:14,560 Speaker 1: words of wisdom from dad, right, you know, Dad would 426 00:24:14,600 --> 00:24:16,240 Speaker 1: I was that kid that sat on the fender of 427 00:24:16,280 --> 00:24:18,600 Speaker 1: the car, on the family car, you know, twenty minutes 428 00:24:18,600 --> 00:24:21,000 Speaker 1: before we were leaving on vacation, and my mom was 429 00:24:21,080 --> 00:24:23,720 Speaker 1: yelling out the door, Harry. My father's name was Harry, Harry, 430 00:24:23,760 --> 00:24:25,760 Speaker 1: We're going on vacation. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, I just 431 00:24:25,800 --> 00:24:28,000 Speaker 1: gotta tune in the car. And you know, and and 432 00:24:28,000 --> 00:24:29,800 Speaker 1: and Dad did some things like that. He put a 433 00:24:29,800 --> 00:24:31,840 Speaker 1: little marvel or put some kind of a liquid down 434 00:24:31,880 --> 00:24:36,960 Speaker 1: the carburetor because it helps lubricate things. Ronnie, never forget that, okay, pop, uh, 435 00:24:37,000 --> 00:24:39,919 Speaker 1: you know what car today has a carburetor, you know. 436 00:24:39,960 --> 00:24:42,199 Speaker 1: So do I need to use Marvel mystery oil? Do 437 00:24:42,280 --> 00:24:46,119 Speaker 1: I need to lubricate anything? I think on an older 438 00:24:46,240 --> 00:24:50,639 Speaker 1: vehicle such as yours, you still have cats on the car? Herb? 439 00:24:51,359 --> 00:24:56,679 Speaker 1: Do you still have cattlet converters? You know? And you 440 00:24:56,680 --> 00:24:59,040 Speaker 1: know you want to use the right component to not 441 00:24:59,240 --> 00:25:03,840 Speaker 1: damage other components. You know, that's the older two stage 442 00:25:04,280 --> 00:25:08,440 Speaker 1: monolithic catalytic converters. They're really old and they're probably no 443 00:25:08,480 --> 00:25:12,480 Speaker 1: longer available. But I would be cautious about just putting 444 00:25:12,520 --> 00:25:16,240 Speaker 1: anything in based on what Dad said from fifty years prior, 445 00:25:16,359 --> 00:25:20,000 Speaker 1: because his engines and cars were a different set of 446 00:25:20,040 --> 00:25:23,080 Speaker 1: technology than the seventies than the eighties and the nineties, 447 00:25:23,080 --> 00:25:27,679 Speaker 1: and surely what there is today, what I would be 448 00:25:27,880 --> 00:25:30,440 Speaker 1: what I would be doing on an older vehicle such 449 00:25:30,480 --> 00:25:32,840 Speaker 1: as yours? Is it just a stock seventy eight a 450 00:25:32,880 --> 00:25:38,639 Speaker 1: hundred thirty thousand miles? Yeah? Okay, so you know some 451 00:25:38,720 --> 00:25:43,080 Speaker 1: top end engine cleaner for the vehicle that sits seventy eight. 452 00:25:43,080 --> 00:25:50,680 Speaker 1: I'm trying to remember. Seventy eight was still carbureted, wasn't it. Yeah? Yeah, yeah, right, okay, um, right, 453 00:25:50,720 --> 00:25:55,600 Speaker 1: it wasn't even we didn't even have computers on cars. Wow. Yeah, 454 00:25:55,680 --> 00:25:57,399 Speaker 1: I was out of high school four years. I think 455 00:25:57,440 --> 00:26:01,119 Speaker 1: I was in college in seventy eight. Um, you know, 456 00:26:01,240 --> 00:26:05,200 Speaker 1: some fuel system cleaner in the tank, some of the stuff, 457 00:26:05,280 --> 00:26:09,280 Speaker 1: you know, anything from Berryman Berryman's fuel system. Uh cleaners 458 00:26:09,440 --> 00:26:12,320 Speaker 1: would work great in an older vehicle like that because 459 00:26:12,400 --> 00:26:14,720 Speaker 1: carbon still is an issue, especially on a vehicle that 460 00:26:14,800 --> 00:26:18,880 Speaker 1: sits that much. You know, that's a that's a concern. Uh. 461 00:26:18,920 --> 00:26:20,919 Speaker 1: You know, I wouldn't be doing the marble thing. I 462 00:26:20,920 --> 00:26:24,399 Speaker 1: mean you could listen if you can still find it, 463 00:26:24,440 --> 00:26:27,080 Speaker 1: and I think it's illegal in all forty in forty 464 00:26:27,160 --> 00:26:32,119 Speaker 1: nine states, h GM top end cleaner. And you know 465 00:26:32,160 --> 00:26:35,040 Speaker 1: it was pour in through the top until the engine 466 00:26:35,080 --> 00:26:37,879 Speaker 1: stalls over a five to eight minute period and then 467 00:26:37,920 --> 00:26:39,600 Speaker 1: once you let it soak for a half hour and 468 00:26:39,640 --> 00:26:42,600 Speaker 1: then you start it up, and number one, you'll you'll 469 00:26:42,600 --> 00:26:45,639 Speaker 1: smoke out the neighborhood and kill anything flying within fifty feet. 470 00:26:46,359 --> 00:26:51,359 Speaker 1: Um talkt right, you know, holding it a little bit 471 00:26:51,359 --> 00:26:53,520 Speaker 1: of a fast idol. I remember back in the day, 472 00:26:53,520 --> 00:26:56,800 Speaker 1: we poured water down the throat of the carburetor. Um, 473 00:26:57,400 --> 00:26:59,360 Speaker 1: you know, because we get the engine good and hot, 474 00:26:59,359 --> 00:27:01,040 Speaker 1: and we would drizz a little water in there and 475 00:27:01,080 --> 00:27:03,840 Speaker 1: the water would break down the carbon. Listen, back in 476 00:27:03,880 --> 00:27:06,440 Speaker 1: the day when I was a showman, I would make 477 00:27:06,440 --> 00:27:08,400 Speaker 1: customers nuts. The car would come in and I knew 478 00:27:08,400 --> 00:27:12,840 Speaker 1: it was carboned up, and I would literally take two 479 00:27:12,920 --> 00:27:16,040 Speaker 1: aspirin my It was a standard joke in the shop. 480 00:27:16,440 --> 00:27:19,240 Speaker 1: We would take two aspirin, usually buffering or Bear or something, 481 00:27:19,280 --> 00:27:20,760 Speaker 1: just because we want to use a name brand to 482 00:27:20,760 --> 00:27:23,080 Speaker 1: give a little bit more drama. And I'd say, hey, 483 00:27:23,160 --> 00:27:24,360 Speaker 1: you want me to hurt you want me to fix 484 00:27:24,400 --> 00:27:26,520 Speaker 1: your car? And you'd go, yeah, okay, watch this. I 485 00:27:26,600 --> 00:27:28,359 Speaker 1: take to two ashburn, I throw it down the throat 486 00:27:28,359 --> 00:27:30,679 Speaker 1: of the carburetor and while the engine was running, we'd 487 00:27:30,720 --> 00:27:33,560 Speaker 1: pour a little water in and just got it to 488 00:27:33,600 --> 00:27:35,080 Speaker 1: the point where was good and hot. It would break 489 00:27:35,080 --> 00:27:38,960 Speaker 1: it down. The aspirin did nothing. The aspirin was just showmanship. 490 00:27:39,000 --> 00:27:42,439 Speaker 1: But the water is what broke it down. But you know, 491 00:27:42,480 --> 00:27:44,800 Speaker 1: my point is what we did fifty years ago, what 492 00:27:44,920 --> 00:27:49,080 Speaker 1: Dad did ninety years ago, doesn't apply today. And we've 493 00:27:49,119 --> 00:27:53,560 Speaker 1: got better technology. You know, it's it's it's just better stuff. 494 00:27:53,600 --> 00:27:56,560 Speaker 1: So you two aspirin and water down the car breakers 495 00:27:56,600 --> 00:28:00,400 Speaker 1: That sounds like a buffalo bill come on here, you know, Yeah, 496 00:28:00,680 --> 00:28:02,840 Speaker 1: people thought I was crazy, so listen to her. If 497 00:28:02,840 --> 00:28:04,840 Speaker 1: I gotta go, they're giving me the sign. Thank you 498 00:28:05,080 --> 00:28:07,879 Speaker 1: a pleasure, sir, you'd be well, thank you very much. 499 00:28:07,920 --> 00:28:09,640 Speaker 1: You're very welcome. I'll ron in any of the car doctor. 500 00:28:09,760 --> 00:28:18,960 Speaker 1: I'll be back right after this. Don't go away. Welcome 501 00:28:18,960 --> 00:28:20,480 Speaker 1: back where I'm in any of the car doctor. Let's 502 00:28:20,480 --> 00:28:22,440 Speaker 1: get over to Steve in Ohio. Steve, Welcome to the 503 00:28:22,480 --> 00:28:26,080 Speaker 1: car doctor, Sir, how can I help? Hey, let's take 504 00:28:26,160 --> 00:28:28,920 Speaker 1: him my call. Welcome. What's going on? I've got a nineteen. 505 00:28:29,280 --> 00:28:33,600 Speaker 1: I got a ninety twenty that's got the got a 506 00:28:33,600 --> 00:28:36,959 Speaker 1: three fifty to five foot seven Leader engine with the 507 00:28:36,960 --> 00:28:41,680 Speaker 1: th h three fifty transmission. So I bought the truck recently. 508 00:28:41,840 --> 00:28:45,640 Speaker 1: It rotten's engine wise, but I knew that the transmission 509 00:28:45,680 --> 00:28:49,120 Speaker 1: needed a rebuild. It didn't have a forward or reverse gears, 510 00:28:49,200 --> 00:28:53,400 Speaker 1: so we d installed the transmission. I carried it into 511 00:28:53,480 --> 00:28:57,080 Speaker 1: my transmission shop. They get a rebuild on it, and 512 00:28:57,280 --> 00:28:58,920 Speaker 1: I dropped him off. I said, hey, I said, can 513 00:28:59,000 --> 00:29:03,840 Speaker 1: you guarantee at this rebuild? You know, you know, what's 514 00:29:03,880 --> 00:29:06,440 Speaker 1: the likelihood of anything going wrong? And they said, Noah, 515 00:29:06,560 --> 00:29:08,480 Speaker 1: you know, we'll We'll get this thing. Rebuilt for you 516 00:29:08,720 --> 00:29:12,440 Speaker 1: and it'll be perfect. So the first problem I had 517 00:29:12,440 --> 00:29:15,320 Speaker 1: when I got it back was it was leaking fluid 518 00:29:15,360 --> 00:29:18,920 Speaker 1: onto the driveway and they found that they didn't they 519 00:29:18,960 --> 00:29:21,120 Speaker 1: needed to put a seal onto my drives jack and 520 00:29:21,240 --> 00:29:23,880 Speaker 1: actually they didn't have the truck. So you know, no harm, 521 00:29:23,960 --> 00:29:27,680 Speaker 1: no foul there. The second issue that I that I'm 522 00:29:27,760 --> 00:29:30,760 Speaker 1: having now is when I when the truck sits, let's 523 00:29:30,760 --> 00:29:33,600 Speaker 1: stay for a half hour or overnight, when I go 524 00:29:33,760 --> 00:29:36,680 Speaker 1: to pool. You know, I started up, put it into 525 00:29:36,880 --> 00:29:40,480 Speaker 1: driver reversed and it won't go into gear. It takes 526 00:29:40,520 --> 00:29:43,800 Speaker 1: about and twenty to thirty seconds, you know, once that 527 00:29:43,960 --> 00:29:50,560 Speaker 1: fluid gets the moving. So they're recommending, yeah, I won't engage. Um, 528 00:29:50,640 --> 00:29:54,520 Speaker 1: and they're recommending like a check valve on the cooler 529 00:29:54,560 --> 00:29:57,760 Speaker 1: line so that the torque converter isn't draining back. I 530 00:29:57,800 --> 00:29:59,680 Speaker 1: just want to get your opinion, if that's really a 531 00:29:59,720 --> 00:30:04,480 Speaker 1: thick expert. Should I push for let's fix this thing right? Well? 532 00:30:04,520 --> 00:30:09,640 Speaker 1: It could it. It could be a draindown issue, all right, Um, 533 00:30:09,920 --> 00:30:14,880 Speaker 1: it very well could be. But my question would be, um, 534 00:30:15,080 --> 00:30:18,840 Speaker 1: you know, if you if you let it drain longer, 535 00:30:18,920 --> 00:30:20,520 Speaker 1: if you let it sit longer, you know, if you 536 00:30:20,600 --> 00:30:22,200 Speaker 1: let it sit for a couple of days, does it 537 00:30:22,320 --> 00:30:26,640 Speaker 1: start to puke, uh fluid out the event on the 538 00:30:26,680 --> 00:30:30,800 Speaker 1: side of the back of the case. Just just just thinking, 539 00:30:30,920 --> 00:30:35,440 Speaker 1: just thinking out loud. Um, it shouldn't do what you're describing. 540 00:30:36,560 --> 00:30:39,480 Speaker 1: And you know, I don't recall there being a check 541 00:30:39,560 --> 00:30:42,720 Speaker 1: valve on the cooler line, you know, right from the factory, 542 00:30:42,760 --> 00:30:48,600 Speaker 1: because I believe it was internal. So would it fix it? Maybe? 543 00:30:49,000 --> 00:30:52,400 Speaker 1: Is it the right way to do it? It's kind 544 00:30:52,440 --> 00:30:55,880 Speaker 1: of cheating, if you know what I'm saying. You know, 545 00:30:56,000 --> 00:30:58,200 Speaker 1: if you if you paid, if you paid for a 546 00:30:58,240 --> 00:31:04,160 Speaker 1: rebuilt working transmission, it should get a rebuilt working transmission. 547 00:31:05,120 --> 00:31:08,840 Speaker 1: You know. The plus is now this is a two 548 00:31:08,880 --> 00:31:15,720 Speaker 1: wheel drive steve. You know the pluses for the negative 549 00:31:15,840 --> 00:31:17,920 Speaker 1: is well, the plus for you is if they do 550 00:31:17,960 --> 00:31:20,320 Speaker 1: a check valven the cooler line, you don't have to 551 00:31:20,320 --> 00:31:24,560 Speaker 1: pull the trans again. Not not that that's the end 552 00:31:24,560 --> 00:31:29,320 Speaker 1: of the world all right now. There could also be 553 00:31:29,400 --> 00:31:31,920 Speaker 1: in defense of them, because a term of three fifty 554 00:31:32,040 --> 00:31:35,960 Speaker 1: was a simple three speed trans you know, in defense 555 00:31:36,000 --> 00:31:39,360 Speaker 1: of them, there could be an issue with perosity or 556 00:31:39,440 --> 00:31:43,120 Speaker 1: something in the case that's creating this and they may 557 00:31:43,200 --> 00:31:48,680 Speaker 1: take it apart and see nothing. It's possible. You know, 558 00:31:48,760 --> 00:31:54,280 Speaker 1: you're dealing with something that's forty plus years old. So uh, 559 00:31:54,320 --> 00:31:56,640 Speaker 1: you know, listen, I'm sort of a stickler for detail, 560 00:31:56,640 --> 00:31:59,160 Speaker 1: and I like to know that it's right. I vote 561 00:31:59,160 --> 00:32:01,280 Speaker 1: for yanking the train ends. Let them take it apart. 562 00:32:01,800 --> 00:32:07,200 Speaker 1: They know what problem they're looking for, okay, And you know, 563 00:32:07,240 --> 00:32:09,400 Speaker 1: if it can't be solved because there's an issue with 564 00:32:09,440 --> 00:32:12,120 Speaker 1: the trans itself, let's go find another one before all 565 00:32:12,160 --> 00:32:16,080 Speaker 1: the Turbo three fifties completely disappear, or or or a 566 00:32:16,120 --> 00:32:19,080 Speaker 1: four whatever you're gonna put in it. And and last thought, 567 00:32:19,720 --> 00:32:23,880 Speaker 1: this could be something as simple as a cracked trans filter, 568 00:32:24,720 --> 00:32:27,080 Speaker 1: although you would think it would wine and make noise. 569 00:32:27,560 --> 00:32:31,640 Speaker 1: But a cracked transfilter or a transfilter not seated properly 570 00:32:32,400 --> 00:32:35,680 Speaker 1: drawing air when it's cold, or bypassing the O ring 571 00:32:35,680 --> 00:32:37,480 Speaker 1: where it sits in the top of the valve body. 572 00:32:38,400 --> 00:32:40,680 Speaker 1: You know that could do it as well. But you 573 00:32:40,680 --> 00:32:43,040 Speaker 1: would think that you would see foaming in the fluid 574 00:32:43,040 --> 00:32:45,000 Speaker 1: if it was drawing air through a cracked filter or 575 00:32:45,080 --> 00:32:50,080 Speaker 1: cracked screen. All right, sir, right, blue blue, It looks good, 576 00:32:50,120 --> 00:32:53,680 Speaker 1: and you know it builds up when it's back. You know, 577 00:32:53,800 --> 00:32:59,600 Speaker 1: when it backed off. So I I kind of vote 578 00:32:59,640 --> 00:33:02,280 Speaker 1: for let let's let's yanket. Let's fix the problem now, 579 00:33:02,320 --> 00:33:05,880 Speaker 1: because you've gotta remember these older vehicles, the parts are 580 00:33:05,920 --> 00:33:09,400 Speaker 1: disappearing very quickly. And uh, it seems like as we 581 00:33:09,480 --> 00:33:12,400 Speaker 1: pushed more towards a different kind of automotive future, all 582 00:33:12,440 --> 00:33:15,120 Speaker 1: those parts are disappearing even faster each and every day. 583 00:33:15,200 --> 00:33:16,760 Speaker 1: Good luck, Steve, let us know what happens. I' we're 584 00:33:16,760 --> 00:33:18,719 Speaker 1: on any of the Car Doctor back right after this 585 00:33:27,600 --> 00:33:29,720 Speaker 1: welcome back, We're on any of the Car Doctor White time. 586 00:33:29,720 --> 00:33:33,479 Speaker 1: We had a bunch of um old car phone calls today. 587 00:33:33,960 --> 00:33:36,520 Speaker 1: It's well, it kind of goes we're a couple of 588 00:33:36,520 --> 00:33:40,640 Speaker 1: old guys. Yeah, you know it's funny though. It got 589 00:33:40,680 --> 00:33:44,239 Speaker 1: me thinking this week at the shop, I needed a 590 00:33:44,240 --> 00:33:46,959 Speaker 1: wiring diagram. I was doing something on my seventy two 591 00:33:47,000 --> 00:33:49,040 Speaker 1: monty Carlo and I needed a wiring diagram. And I 592 00:33:49,040 --> 00:33:53,239 Speaker 1: went into Mitchell one Mitchell Information Systems, and you know 593 00:33:53,320 --> 00:33:55,560 Speaker 1: they've got they've got they've got all the old car 594 00:33:55,640 --> 00:33:58,640 Speaker 1: stuff too. It's it's kind of cool. And I was 595 00:33:58,720 --> 00:34:02,800 Speaker 1: looking at the wiring diet Grahams when I and I said, well, 596 00:34:02,800 --> 00:34:05,400 Speaker 1: where's the rest of it. Oh wait a minute, there's 597 00:34:05,400 --> 00:34:11,840 Speaker 1: only one page. Uh you know we well, you know, Tom, 598 00:34:11,920 --> 00:34:15,279 Speaker 1: you forget how it was, you know, in that last 599 00:34:15,280 --> 00:34:17,799 Speaker 1: call we had about the A d C T pickup truck, 600 00:34:17,840 --> 00:34:20,839 Speaker 1: the Turbo three fifty, and it just it got me 601 00:34:20,920 --> 00:34:23,600 Speaker 1: thinking during the break there that you know, there I 602 00:34:23,640 --> 00:34:25,640 Speaker 1: was looking at a wiring diagram for a seventy two 603 00:34:25,680 --> 00:34:29,640 Speaker 1: Chevy Monte Carlo and it's one page. I mean, we've 604 00:34:29,680 --> 00:34:34,160 Speaker 1: got cars where I'm looking up PCM Powertrain Control Module 605 00:34:34,239 --> 00:34:38,920 Speaker 1: wiring and it's fourteen pages just for one part one system. 606 00:34:39,920 --> 00:34:44,040 Speaker 1: And uh, you know the amount of information that we 607 00:34:44,080 --> 00:34:47,920 Speaker 1: have to absorb and and and work with and look up. 608 00:34:48,160 --> 00:34:51,319 Speaker 1: And you know, every day I say thank God for 609 00:34:51,760 --> 00:34:54,400 Speaker 1: companies like Mitchell One and what they do and uh, 610 00:34:54,480 --> 00:34:56,919 Speaker 1: you know how they're helping us keep current. I'm gonna 611 00:34:56,960 --> 00:35:00,719 Speaker 1: have to talk to uh my contexts there. I'm curious 612 00:35:00,840 --> 00:35:03,600 Speaker 1: what the electric car future looks like for information, how 613 00:35:03,640 --> 00:35:06,239 Speaker 1: that's going to transpond and and work. And though that 614 00:35:06,320 --> 00:35:08,000 Speaker 1: might be a good interview, something else that we can 615 00:35:08,000 --> 00:35:10,680 Speaker 1: talk about, uh, you know, because we're gonna need information 616 00:35:10,719 --> 00:35:12,759 Speaker 1: for electric cars too. It's not gonna change, it's not 617 00:35:12,760 --> 00:35:16,399 Speaker 1: gonna stop just because they're electric. So until the next 618 00:35:16,440 --> 00:35:18,879 Speaker 1: time I'm running any of the car, Doctor reminding each 619 00:35:18,880 --> 00:35:22,600 Speaker 1: and every one of you good mechanics aren't expensive, they're priceless. 620 00:35:22,760 --> 00:35:23,319 Speaker 1: Let's see you