1 00:00:00,880 --> 00:00:06,120 Speaker 1: Fold, reverence and occasionally random the Sunday Hang with Plan 2 00:00:06,280 --> 00:00:13,000 Speaker 1: Buck podcast that starts now south Park, which is one 3 00:00:13,080 --> 00:00:18,400 Speaker 1: of the last fearless bastions of humor in this country. 4 00:00:19,079 --> 00:00:24,120 Speaker 1: They will ridicule and lampoon anyone in a position of power, 5 00:00:24,640 --> 00:00:31,560 Speaker 1: regardless of race, gender, ethnicity. Many of their ridiculous commentary, 6 00:00:32,159 --> 00:00:35,080 Speaker 1: much of it has actually been proven true. Remember they 7 00:00:35,080 --> 00:00:38,120 Speaker 1: were one of the first places to start mocking the 8 00:00:38,240 --> 00:00:43,240 Speaker 1: idea that a transwoman that is a man could become 9 00:00:43,400 --> 00:00:47,400 Speaker 1: a female champion in athletics. They were years ahead of 10 00:00:47,440 --> 00:00:51,199 Speaker 1: this becoming a reality. And I need to tee off 11 00:00:51,320 --> 00:00:55,160 Speaker 1: for a moment when I mentioned that, And I gotta 12 00:00:55,200 --> 00:00:58,200 Speaker 1: be honest with you, I loved this clip that I 13 00:00:58,240 --> 00:01:01,480 Speaker 1: saw this morning. I haven't watched the whole show, but 14 00:01:01,600 --> 00:01:04,759 Speaker 1: they're one of the few media outlets I wish Buck 15 00:01:04,800 --> 00:01:08,200 Speaker 1: were here to hear this. To completely go after the 16 00:01:08,280 --> 00:01:13,679 Speaker 1: hypocrisy of Harry and Meghan complaining about getting too much 17 00:01:13,760 --> 00:01:17,760 Speaker 1: media attention by doing more and more interviews, more and 18 00:01:17,800 --> 00:01:22,760 Speaker 1: more reality specials, and certainly by Harry releasing his latest 19 00:01:22,800 --> 00:01:26,959 Speaker 1: new best selling book. Here is a clip from South 20 00:01:27,040 --> 00:01:31,800 Speaker 1: Park absolutely eviscerating Harry and Meghan enjoy. You've lived a 21 00:01:31,800 --> 00:01:33,959 Speaker 1: life with the Royal family, You've had everything handed to you, 22 00:01:34,000 --> 00:01:35,400 Speaker 1: but you say your life has been hard, and now 23 00:01:35,400 --> 00:01:38,360 Speaker 1: you've written all about it in your new book where yes, 24 00:01:38,480 --> 00:01:41,080 Speaker 1: that's right fans you see my wife and Tolly like 25 00:01:41,080 --> 00:01:43,120 Speaker 1: you should write a book because your family like stop 26 00:01:43,200 --> 00:01:46,280 Speaker 1: it and then started like journalists. So you hate johnalists, 27 00:01:46,720 --> 00:01:48,680 Speaker 1: that's right, And now you wrote a book that reports 28 00:01:48,720 --> 00:01:51,560 Speaker 1: on the lives of the royal family, right, So yeah, Joinnalist, 29 00:01:51,760 --> 00:01:53,720 Speaker 1: we just want to be normal people. All this attention 30 00:01:53,760 --> 00:01:56,640 Speaker 1: is so hard. Isn't it true, sir that your questionable 31 00:01:56,640 --> 00:01:58,400 Speaker 1: wife has her own TV show and hangs out with 32 00:01:58,440 --> 00:02:01,720 Speaker 1: celebrities and does fashion magazines. What do you say, jesting? Well, 33 00:02:01,760 --> 00:02:04,320 Speaker 1: I just think some people might say that your Instagram 34 00:02:04,320 --> 00:02:07,840 Speaker 1: loving bitch wife actually doesn't want a privacy How dare you, sir? 35 00:02:08,320 --> 00:02:11,160 Speaker 1: My Instagram loving pitchwife has always wanted a privas there 36 00:02:11,360 --> 00:02:13,680 Speaker 1: and do you know what else? To hell with Knada, 37 00:02:13,840 --> 00:02:19,600 Speaker 1: we are leaving. Oh my god, my Instagram loving bitch wife. 38 00:02:20,400 --> 00:02:26,880 Speaker 1: I just let me just point this out. Republicans have 39 00:02:27,560 --> 00:02:32,560 Speaker 1: a massive opportunity that I would have never believed was possible. 40 00:02:32,600 --> 00:02:34,160 Speaker 1: I'm writing this in my book, which is going to 41 00:02:34,200 --> 00:02:38,760 Speaker 1: be out in September. Would you have ever believed that 42 00:02:38,840 --> 00:02:41,720 Speaker 1: Republicans could be the party that says, we like jokes, 43 00:02:42,680 --> 00:02:45,920 Speaker 1: and we like comedians, and we think comedians should be 44 00:02:45,919 --> 00:02:51,480 Speaker 1: able to make jokes because we like to laugh. Democrats 45 00:02:51,520 --> 00:02:54,000 Speaker 1: have so lost their mind. Can we just clip, by 46 00:02:54,040 --> 00:02:57,880 Speaker 1: the way, that little part about my Instagram loving pitchwife 47 00:02:58,400 --> 00:03:02,200 Speaker 1: that lasts little bit, because if you didn't, I tweeted 48 00:03:02,240 --> 00:03:04,200 Speaker 1: out the clip, and you might not be able to 49 00:03:04,240 --> 00:03:08,160 Speaker 1: tell greatly the audio because there's a character who's speaking 50 00:03:08,200 --> 00:03:10,560 Speaker 1: as if she's Megan, there's a character who's speaking as 51 00:03:10,560 --> 00:03:13,680 Speaker 1: if he's Harry, and then there is the interviewer the 52 00:03:14,280 --> 00:03:18,160 Speaker 1: of what is described as a Canadian broadcast show. So 53 00:03:19,160 --> 00:03:22,120 Speaker 1: you might need to see the clip one hundred percent 54 00:03:22,280 --> 00:03:28,120 Speaker 1: to enjoy it. But how crazy is it that Democrats 55 00:03:28,160 --> 00:03:32,480 Speaker 1: have so embraced cancel culture that if a joke makes 56 00:03:32,480 --> 00:03:38,000 Speaker 1: somebody uncomfortable, they don't believe it should be said. Even 57 00:03:38,080 --> 00:03:42,240 Speaker 1: beyond that, they think that the joke is violence and 58 00:03:42,320 --> 00:03:44,840 Speaker 1: that people need to be protected from jokes that make 59 00:03:44,880 --> 00:03:51,480 Speaker 1: them uncomfortable. What in the world if you were trying 60 00:03:51,520 --> 00:03:57,400 Speaker 1: to craft a platform to win the majority of America. 61 00:03:57,520 --> 00:04:02,160 Speaker 1: I've made this analogy before. It's in my book. If 62 00:04:02,200 --> 00:04:05,480 Speaker 1: you go to a comedy club and you pulled up 63 00:04:05,480 --> 00:04:08,080 Speaker 1: at that comedy club and somebody who was standing outside 64 00:04:08,080 --> 00:04:11,800 Speaker 1: the comedy club with a poster protesting the jokes that 65 00:04:11,840 --> 00:04:14,280 Speaker 1: were going to be made by the comedian inside, what 66 00:04:14,360 --> 00:04:18,080 Speaker 1: would you do? Almost every single one of you would 67 00:04:18,160 --> 00:04:21,400 Speaker 1: roll your eyes and be like, what a freaking loser 68 00:04:22,400 --> 00:04:27,640 Speaker 1: who protests jokes outside of a comedy club. You would 69 00:04:27,680 --> 00:04:31,320 Speaker 1: dismiss that person as a loser, and you would be like, 70 00:04:31,400 --> 00:04:34,799 Speaker 1: this person doesn't deserve an ounce of my respect or attention. 71 00:04:36,680 --> 00:04:39,279 Speaker 1: If that same person, and that's despite the fact that 72 00:04:39,279 --> 00:04:41,799 Speaker 1: whoever that person was, would have gotten a poster board, 73 00:04:42,279 --> 00:04:44,880 Speaker 1: they would have made a sign, they would have gone 74 00:04:44,920 --> 00:04:48,400 Speaker 1: and gotten transportation to go to the comedy club, and 75 00:04:48,480 --> 00:04:50,919 Speaker 1: they would be standing outside of the comedy club and 76 00:04:50,960 --> 00:04:53,520 Speaker 1: the heat to sign, the rain, whatever it might be, 77 00:04:54,160 --> 00:04:57,200 Speaker 1: to let their opinion be heard about the dangers of 78 00:04:57,240 --> 00:05:00,120 Speaker 1: the jokes that were being told inside of the at 79 00:05:00,200 --> 00:05:05,839 Speaker 1: comedy club. Same person gets on social media and tweets 80 00:05:05,880 --> 00:05:09,120 Speaker 1: old jokes from comedians that they're offended by, and the 81 00:05:09,200 --> 00:05:12,200 Speaker 1: media covers it like it's news and treats those people 82 00:05:12,240 --> 00:05:18,039 Speaker 1: complaining online as if they are heroes. Why have we 83 00:05:18,279 --> 00:05:22,400 Speaker 1: gotten to a world where we treat people who are 84 00:05:22,440 --> 00:05:27,520 Speaker 1: anonymous online with more respect than we would people who 85 00:05:27,600 --> 00:05:32,520 Speaker 1: are actually physically present in our lives. I would argue 86 00:05:32,520 --> 00:05:35,960 Speaker 1: we've got this one hundred percent backwards. We should give 87 00:05:36,160 --> 00:05:39,080 Speaker 1: more respect to the people who are at least willing 88 00:05:39,120 --> 00:05:42,360 Speaker 1: to publicly put their face in their time out behind 89 00:05:42,400 --> 00:05:45,440 Speaker 1: their opinions, ie the people who show up outside of 90 00:05:45,440 --> 00:05:48,080 Speaker 1: a comedy club. Then we do the people who are 91 00:05:48,160 --> 00:05:55,000 Speaker 1: complaining on social media, often from anonymous accounts. Yet we're 92 00:05:55,040 --> 00:05:57,719 Speaker 1: backwards there. I'm not saying we should give credence to 93 00:05:57,800 --> 00:06:01,279 Speaker 1: any of them. I think they're all losers. It's a 94 00:06:01,320 --> 00:06:04,000 Speaker 1: sign of how amazing America is that we have so 95 00:06:04,080 --> 00:06:08,000 Speaker 1: much freedom and so much free time that people can 96 00:06:08,040 --> 00:06:12,640 Speaker 1: complain about the jokes comedians make, because remember, they're jokes, 97 00:06:12,960 --> 00:06:17,640 Speaker 1: they're not real, They're designed to make people laugh. Think 98 00:06:17,680 --> 00:06:21,280 Speaker 1: about how much different America would look like today if 99 00:06:21,320 --> 00:06:25,840 Speaker 1: we simply treated everyone complaining online like we do everyone 100 00:06:25,920 --> 00:06:30,159 Speaker 1: complaining in person, in particular as it pertains to jokes. 101 00:06:31,000 --> 00:06:34,279 Speaker 1: Just think about it. Your mind's probably blown a little bit, 102 00:06:35,360 --> 00:06:39,120 Speaker 1: but it is crazy to what extent we've allowed losers 103 00:06:39,120 --> 00:06:43,040 Speaker 1: on social media to dictate the entire direction this country 104 00:06:43,080 --> 00:06:56,000 Speaker 1: goes Sunday with clan Buck Megan Markle. We played last 105 00:06:56,040 --> 00:07:00,640 Speaker 1: week a clip from a savage takedown of Megan Markle 106 00:07:00,760 --> 00:07:05,400 Speaker 1: and Prince Harry or whatever his title is now surrounding 107 00:07:05,520 --> 00:07:09,040 Speaker 1: their release of the new book and their basic consistent 108 00:07:09,120 --> 00:07:13,760 Speaker 1: demand for publicity. And Megan Markle is reportedly so angry 109 00:07:13,800 --> 00:07:20,680 Speaker 1: about this portrayal hysterical, satirical ridicule, that she is contemplating suing, 110 00:07:22,320 --> 00:07:28,800 Speaker 1: suing South Park over their mockery of her and Harry. 111 00:07:28,960 --> 00:07:32,239 Speaker 1: Would this be the greatest moment in South Park history 112 00:07:32,640 --> 00:07:37,200 Speaker 1: if she were to file a lawsuit over this savage takedown? Okay, 113 00:07:37,960 --> 00:07:41,000 Speaker 1: first of all, this would be hilarious because there are 114 00:07:41,360 --> 00:07:45,400 Speaker 1: there are no grounds for a suit whatsoever. And I 115 00:07:45,440 --> 00:07:47,520 Speaker 1: know in the UK you can sue people. It's much 116 00:07:47,560 --> 00:07:51,600 Speaker 1: easier to sue people for for defamation, and unfortunately sometimes 117 00:07:51,640 --> 00:07:53,400 Speaker 1: that has been used as a tool even against people 118 00:07:53,400 --> 00:07:56,600 Speaker 1: in that are. You know, media entities that operate globally. 119 00:07:58,000 --> 00:08:00,000 Speaker 1: Matt Stone and Trey Parker are worth hundreds of million 120 00:08:00,200 --> 00:08:06,640 Speaker 1: of dollars. Yes, the somewhat disconnected but still connected to 121 00:08:06,680 --> 00:08:11,440 Speaker 1: the Royal family. You know, Meghan and Harry wanting to 122 00:08:11,480 --> 00:08:18,680 Speaker 1: get into a contest of litigation and also public opinion 123 00:08:19,240 --> 00:08:24,040 Speaker 1: with south Park would backfire massively, so much so that 124 00:08:24,160 --> 00:08:26,480 Speaker 1: I really hope they try to bring a lawsuit. Remember 125 00:08:26,680 --> 00:08:29,200 Speaker 1: this is south Park is the network that did the 126 00:08:29,360 --> 00:08:35,080 Speaker 1: Mohammed in a bear costume episode, okay, and it took 127 00:08:35,120 --> 00:08:38,680 Speaker 1: on death threats from all over the world and threats 128 00:08:38,679 --> 00:08:41,199 Speaker 1: of rioting because you can't show Mohammed, so they put 129 00:08:41,240 --> 00:08:45,400 Speaker 1: them in a bearer costume. Right, that Harry and Meghan 130 00:08:45,559 --> 00:08:49,320 Speaker 1: think that they're going to sue to silence them is hello, 131 00:08:49,400 --> 00:08:52,199 Speaker 1: But it also goes to show you these people are 132 00:08:52,240 --> 00:08:56,040 Speaker 1: They're horrible. These two are horrible and the disdain that 133 00:08:56,120 --> 00:08:59,520 Speaker 1: they are gathering or that is growing about them in 134 00:08:59,559 --> 00:09:02,400 Speaker 1: the public is richly deserved. And this is why the 135 00:09:02,480 --> 00:09:04,319 Speaker 1: British Royal family is on the way out and telling 136 00:09:04,320 --> 00:09:08,400 Speaker 1: you this. Also, I think Buck speaks to sometimes you 137 00:09:08,440 --> 00:09:11,880 Speaker 1: can tell how awful people are based on the things 138 00:09:11,880 --> 00:09:16,320 Speaker 1: that they consider doing. Who is advising them? Right, If 139 00:09:16,960 --> 00:09:19,800 Speaker 1: I don't know Megan and Harry obviously at all, If 140 00:09:19,800 --> 00:09:22,439 Speaker 1: suddenly I got a call and they were like, hey, Clay, 141 00:09:22,559 --> 00:09:25,280 Speaker 1: we're thinking about suing South Park because they made fun 142 00:09:25,280 --> 00:09:29,840 Speaker 1: of us too hard and we're upset. I would be like, 143 00:09:30,200 --> 00:09:36,120 Speaker 1: are you crazy? You have no legal case whatsoever. One two. 144 00:09:36,520 --> 00:09:39,760 Speaker 1: From a public relations perspective, this is the greatest thing 145 00:09:39,800 --> 00:09:43,560 Speaker 1: that could ever happen to South Park, and the fact 146 00:09:43,640 --> 00:09:46,000 Speaker 1: that they don't see that, and that this story would 147 00:09:46,040 --> 00:09:49,680 Speaker 1: even become a possibility is to me evidence that they're 148 00:09:49,679 --> 00:09:53,680 Speaker 1: so awful. They have surrounded themselves with syncophants who will 149 00:09:53,760 --> 00:09:57,160 Speaker 1: not tell them at all how they are perceived publicly, 150 00:09:57,559 --> 00:10:01,199 Speaker 1: and every time they speak out Buck they're overall popularity. 151 00:10:01,240 --> 00:10:05,080 Speaker 1: It seems to me declines. I find them utterly detestable. 152 00:10:05,440 --> 00:10:07,800 Speaker 1: The only way to deal with south Park making fun 153 00:10:07,840 --> 00:10:10,280 Speaker 1: of you is admit it's funny, lean into it, and 154 00:10:10,360 --> 00:10:13,680 Speaker 1: wait for them make fun of someone else. Sundays with 155 00:10:13,880 --> 00:10:26,040 Speaker 1: Clay and Buck take a little turn toward the literary 156 00:10:26,120 --> 00:10:29,200 Speaker 1: section of Clay and Buck World for a moment. Here. 157 00:10:29,240 --> 00:10:34,839 Speaker 1: You may have seen the headlines about Rolled Doll. I 158 00:10:34,800 --> 00:10:37,400 Speaker 1: always trying to make sure I pronounced his name properly 159 00:10:37,440 --> 00:10:39,360 Speaker 1: because I didn't know how to pronounce it. You've already 160 00:10:39,440 --> 00:10:41,560 Speaker 1: taught me a lesson there, I mean, is it just 161 00:10:41,760 --> 00:10:45,520 Speaker 1: roll and then doll or is it rolled doll? It's 162 00:10:45,520 --> 00:10:49,280 Speaker 1: not easy point being that mister Doll, we can all 163 00:10:49,280 --> 00:10:53,720 Speaker 1: agree on that one is among the most beloved and 164 00:10:53,800 --> 00:10:59,120 Speaker 1: famous a children's book authors of all time. He has 165 00:10:59,160 --> 00:11:05,600 Speaker 1: sold hundreds of millions of books. And this is now 166 00:11:06,080 --> 00:11:08,959 Speaker 1: it's been translated into almost seventy languages. I think is 167 00:11:09,000 --> 00:11:11,240 Speaker 1: different works. If you're wondering what would be on the 168 00:11:11,320 --> 00:11:13,400 Speaker 1: role dullness, all the parents, I'm sure already know. But 169 00:11:13,440 --> 00:11:16,640 Speaker 1: for folks who haven't bought any children's books in a while, 170 00:11:16,679 --> 00:11:19,720 Speaker 1: I don't remember. You had James and the Giant Peach, 171 00:11:19,880 --> 00:11:23,320 Speaker 1: which I remember being read to me by teachers in 172 00:11:23,559 --> 00:11:27,000 Speaker 1: uh what we called lower school of primary school, so 173 00:11:27,200 --> 00:11:31,920 Speaker 1: second third grade. Um. Charlie and the Chocolate Factory, which 174 00:11:32,480 --> 00:11:37,080 Speaker 1: the movie wasn't. Gene Wilder in that one as fantastic movie. 175 00:11:37,200 --> 00:11:44,880 Speaker 1: Great movie I saw that made it with Johnny Johnny Depp. Yeah, no, no, no, 176 00:11:45,480 --> 00:11:48,400 Speaker 1: but Charlie the Chocolate Factory, the Witches, which I actually 177 00:11:48,400 --> 00:11:50,599 Speaker 1: always thought the movie was quite scary when I was 178 00:11:50,640 --> 00:11:53,800 Speaker 1: a kid. Of the Witches. Um. But that's another very 179 00:11:53,800 --> 00:11:58,199 Speaker 1: famous one. What am I What am I leaving? Matilda? 180 00:11:58,360 --> 00:12:01,560 Speaker 1: Thank you? Um? There's a bunch, a bunch of the 181 00:12:01,640 --> 00:12:05,719 Speaker 1: biggest the b A lot of these movies, a lot 182 00:12:05,760 --> 00:12:08,920 Speaker 1: of these very very fantastic, Mister Fox like a lot 183 00:12:08,920 --> 00:12:12,800 Speaker 1: of them, very well known, incredibly well known author, incredibly successful. 184 00:12:13,720 --> 00:12:17,880 Speaker 1: But his the estate and the publisher, I believe, which 185 00:12:17,880 --> 00:12:23,040 Speaker 1: is Puffin that controls the continued publication of his of 186 00:12:23,080 --> 00:12:28,360 Speaker 1: his works, is going back and changing the language in 187 00:12:28,440 --> 00:12:33,120 Speaker 1: some of these, changing the language so that it is 188 00:12:33,720 --> 00:12:38,840 Speaker 1: less offensive. Now, doctor SEUs, who is I think in 189 00:12:38,880 --> 00:12:44,080 Speaker 1: that same category of most famous children's authors of all time? 190 00:12:44,760 --> 00:12:46,680 Speaker 1: I mean, I'm not sure you know who. I wonder 191 00:12:46,720 --> 00:12:49,480 Speaker 1: who has sold more books in total? SEUs or Doctor 192 00:12:49,520 --> 00:12:54,040 Speaker 1: SEUs or Roll Donald a stunt if it's not Sus, 193 00:12:54,160 --> 00:12:57,319 Speaker 1: just because he published over a hundred books, I think. 194 00:12:57,440 --> 00:13:00,400 Speaker 1: But they started to pull to your point, we're talking 195 00:13:00,440 --> 00:13:03,800 Speaker 1: about censorship. They won't publish some of doctor Seus's books 196 00:13:03,840 --> 00:13:06,760 Speaker 1: now like you legitimately cannot buy them. They pulled them 197 00:13:06,800 --> 00:13:09,400 Speaker 1: out of the SEUs cannon. Well, they've they've gotten rid 198 00:13:09,440 --> 00:13:13,560 Speaker 1: of some of the Doctor Seus' stuff because they say 199 00:13:13,600 --> 00:13:18,880 Speaker 1: it is there are depictions that are racially insensitive. That's 200 00:13:18,920 --> 00:13:24,160 Speaker 1: what God they got to Zeus in trouble. But if 201 00:13:24,160 --> 00:13:28,400 Speaker 1: you look at what's getting pulled now from roll Doll books, 202 00:13:29,160 --> 00:13:35,640 Speaker 1: it's descriptions like fat. For example, it's a sensitivity about 203 00:13:35,679 --> 00:13:40,839 Speaker 1: the witches in the book, the witches being bald under 204 00:13:40,880 --> 00:13:45,040 Speaker 1: their wigs. It is these minor edits that are meant 205 00:13:45,040 --> 00:13:50,400 Speaker 1: to describe characters in ways that are less offensive. And 206 00:13:50,920 --> 00:13:53,320 Speaker 1: now I understand people might say, well, okay, if it's 207 00:13:53,360 --> 00:13:56,520 Speaker 1: just kind of minor stuff. No, no, no, we all 208 00:13:56,559 --> 00:14:00,559 Speaker 1: know how this goes. Once the machinery of retroactive censorship 209 00:14:00,559 --> 00:14:05,040 Speaker 1: of great authors is in place. Does anyone believe that 210 00:14:05,040 --> 00:14:08,800 Speaker 1: the demands from the woke will stop at describing somebody 211 00:14:08,840 --> 00:14:11,439 Speaker 1: as enormous instead of fat, which is one of the 212 00:14:11,520 --> 00:14:14,640 Speaker 1: changes they're making to Like the little German boy who 213 00:14:14,640 --> 00:14:17,920 Speaker 1: wants the chocolate and Charlie and the chocolate factory. Remember, 214 00:14:17,960 --> 00:14:20,440 Speaker 1: and as a mother, she's like, oh, like cooking target 215 00:14:20,520 --> 00:14:23,160 Speaker 1: she runs over. Then he's drinking all that chocolate. Look, 216 00:14:23,720 --> 00:14:26,720 Speaker 1: I'm kind of a chocolate halock. So I respect that 217 00:14:26,720 --> 00:14:28,560 Speaker 1: the kid wanted to get in there, but he was 218 00:14:28,600 --> 00:14:31,080 Speaker 1: a chobby little German point and he fell under the 219 00:14:31,160 --> 00:14:34,080 Speaker 1: river of chocolate. Now he's described as enormous instead of 220 00:14:34,080 --> 00:14:39,280 Speaker 1: fat this Clay. I just think is this is the beginning, right, 221 00:14:39,280 --> 00:14:41,840 Speaker 1: this is the thin end of the wedge, and it's 222 00:14:41,840 --> 00:14:44,520 Speaker 1: not like this is the first time. But instead of 223 00:14:44,600 --> 00:14:48,359 Speaker 1: just even saying you can't say this because it's offensive, 224 00:14:48,760 --> 00:14:54,160 Speaker 1: now we're seeing beloved, globally famous authors with their work 225 00:14:54,480 --> 00:14:57,000 Speaker 1: getting just tweaked here and there, just changing it here 226 00:14:57,040 --> 00:15:00,520 Speaker 1: and there to make it less offensive. This ties into 227 00:15:00,600 --> 00:15:04,560 Speaker 1: me with the craziness of Disney doing away with the 228 00:15:05,480 --> 00:15:10,160 Speaker 1: with the wildly popular ride inside of the inside of 229 00:15:10,480 --> 00:15:13,600 Speaker 1: Magic Kingdom, right, I mean Splash Mountain. So many people 230 00:15:13,640 --> 00:15:16,200 Speaker 1: out there listening to us right now have in the 231 00:15:16,280 --> 00:15:18,920 Speaker 1: last thirty years gone on Splash Mountain, and they decide 232 00:15:18,920 --> 00:15:22,200 Speaker 1: that Brear Rabbit is now too offensive to be featured 233 00:15:22,320 --> 00:15:24,480 Speaker 1: as a part of the most popular ride in the 234 00:15:24,520 --> 00:15:30,760 Speaker 1: Magic Kingdom, and so they're editing for Wokeness, an amusement 235 00:15:30,760 --> 00:15:34,880 Speaker 1: park ride. And I just I look at this and 236 00:15:35,840 --> 00:15:39,120 Speaker 1: as an author, and look my books, are you know 237 00:15:39,320 --> 00:15:42,400 Speaker 1: a pen prick of any of this. I find it 238 00:15:42,720 --> 00:15:47,000 Speaker 1: awful that after my death somebody would come in and 239 00:15:47,200 --> 00:15:50,080 Speaker 1: change the words that I had published in my writing 240 00:15:50,280 --> 00:15:54,720 Speaker 1: such that I would want, as a as an author, 241 00:15:55,160 --> 00:15:58,440 Speaker 1: to almost have signed off on something that would, for HI, 242 00:15:58,600 --> 00:16:02,520 Speaker 1: prohibit this from ever having a curd. And this idea 243 00:16:02,680 --> 00:16:07,560 Speaker 1: of going back and censoring what someone might have said 244 00:16:07,680 --> 00:16:11,080 Speaker 1: or how they described someone in a book, it also 245 00:16:11,240 --> 00:16:14,400 Speaker 1: makes it more difficult to see the evolution of language 246 00:16:14,680 --> 00:16:17,640 Speaker 1: and buck, I think we should mention about Dahl. Did 247 00:16:17,720 --> 00:16:21,200 Speaker 1: you know that he was a fighter pilot in addition 248 00:16:21,280 --> 00:16:24,200 Speaker 1: to being in World War Two? In addition to being 249 00:16:24,240 --> 00:16:27,280 Speaker 1: one of the most acclaimed children's authors of all time, 250 00:16:27,920 --> 00:16:32,320 Speaker 1: he was a squadron commander and a fighter pilot in 251 00:16:32,360 --> 00:16:35,440 Speaker 1: World War Two, by the way, on the right side 252 00:16:35,480 --> 00:16:40,440 Speaker 1: of history there. So I just find this incredibly troubling. 253 00:16:40,920 --> 00:16:45,320 Speaker 1: And as an author, whether it's JK. Rowling who's under 254 00:16:45,320 --> 00:16:49,760 Speaker 1: attack right now, another popular children's author because she has 255 00:16:49,800 --> 00:16:52,360 Speaker 1: the audacity to say men or men, and women or women. 256 00:16:53,160 --> 00:16:56,880 Speaker 1: And I look and see the way that this is 257 00:16:56,920 --> 00:17:00,800 Speaker 1: all being treated, and I think you're right. Problem with 258 00:17:01,200 --> 00:17:04,440 Speaker 1: everybody out there who acquiesces on this, people say, well, 259 00:17:04,680 --> 00:17:09,160 Speaker 1: it's just changing fat too enormous. Why do you care? 260 00:17:09,720 --> 00:17:12,440 Speaker 1: Because what the woke have shown us? And this is 261 00:17:12,480 --> 00:17:15,040 Speaker 1: the answer for everybody out there, because you're constantly said, 262 00:17:15,280 --> 00:17:17,400 Speaker 1: why do you care? Well, first of all, I care 263 00:17:17,400 --> 00:17:21,400 Speaker 1: because you're changing something. So you cared and made the alteration. 264 00:17:22,040 --> 00:17:25,760 Speaker 1: But the real issue is it doesn't ever end. The 265 00:17:25,840 --> 00:17:32,920 Speaker 1: woke universe demands constant new sacrifices. It doesn't. We've said 266 00:17:32,960 --> 00:17:35,680 Speaker 1: us before on the show, Buck, if you told me, Hey, Clay, 267 00:17:35,680 --> 00:17:37,720 Speaker 1: I bet you and I would actually be good representatives 268 00:17:37,960 --> 00:17:41,879 Speaker 1: for the same anti woke community. If we set across 269 00:17:41,920 --> 00:17:45,160 Speaker 1: the negotiating table from the woke community and we could 270 00:17:45,160 --> 00:17:48,640 Speaker 1: give them the Washington redskins, and we could give them 271 00:17:48,920 --> 00:17:51,439 Speaker 1: this word that will take out of the vocabulary, and 272 00:17:51,480 --> 00:17:54,800 Speaker 1: we just said, Okay, this ends it. We no longer 273 00:17:54,880 --> 00:17:59,520 Speaker 1: negotiate anymore. Everybody leaves and everybody's happy. Now they have 274 00:17:59,680 --> 00:18:02,520 Speaker 1: to find things to be offended by. And this is 275 00:18:02,560 --> 00:18:05,320 Speaker 1: not the end. This is the Hey, we've proven that 276 00:18:05,359 --> 00:18:07,919 Speaker 1: we can do this. Once we prove we're gonna do it, 277 00:18:07,920 --> 00:18:11,119 Speaker 1: we're going to continue to pick and prod on these works. 278 00:18:11,280 --> 00:18:17,160 Speaker 1: And again, there's the censorship that comes from removing from 279 00:18:17,160 --> 00:18:20,720 Speaker 1: the text entirely, and then there's also the sensor ship 280 00:18:20,760 --> 00:18:23,600 Speaker 1: that comes from just changing it, from editing it from 281 00:18:23,600 --> 00:18:26,400 Speaker 1: what it was to suit the sensibilities of the woke. 282 00:18:26,560 --> 00:18:28,959 Speaker 1: So there are different ways that they come at this, 283 00:18:29,000 --> 00:18:31,720 Speaker 1: and I think this is I can't think of a 284 00:18:31,800 --> 00:18:35,680 Speaker 1: time when they've done this before, when they've just gone 285 00:18:35,800 --> 00:18:38,680 Speaker 1: back with such a famous author and just started to 286 00:18:38,720 --> 00:18:41,919 Speaker 1: alter words. Right with the Doctor SEUs stuff. They just 287 00:18:42,040 --> 00:18:44,960 Speaker 1: stopped publishing certain books, which which is even worse I 288 00:18:45,000 --> 00:18:48,000 Speaker 1: think than this. But this is more. This is scarier 289 00:18:48,040 --> 00:18:51,040 Speaker 1: because it alters the way you experience it. This, over 290 00:18:51,040 --> 00:18:54,960 Speaker 1: the long term could be used to try to shape perceptions, 291 00:18:55,840 --> 00:18:59,560 Speaker 1: shape perceptions and also have all authors. I mean, if 292 00:18:59,600 --> 00:19:01,479 Speaker 1: you can do with Rodahal, why can't you do it 293 00:19:01,480 --> 00:19:05,439 Speaker 1: with Shakespeare? Why can't you do it exactly right with 294 00:19:05,440 --> 00:19:08,359 Speaker 1: with Edmund Burke? Why can't you do it? Name somebody right? 295 00:19:08,400 --> 00:19:11,280 Speaker 1: I mean, you go through history. You know Socrates, all 296 00:19:11,320 --> 00:19:13,440 Speaker 1: of a sudden, Plato isn't saying what he said about 297 00:19:13,480 --> 00:19:15,920 Speaker 1: men and women and slaves and all the very finn 298 00:19:16,000 --> 00:19:18,600 Speaker 1: you decide, I mean the way that Jim and Huckleberry 299 00:19:18,640 --> 00:19:20,800 Speaker 1: finn for those of you who studied that book. I mean, 300 00:19:20,800 --> 00:19:23,439 Speaker 1: there's raw language that would have been common in the 301 00:19:23,480 --> 00:19:26,440 Speaker 1: eighteen eighties in that book. Well, if you take that out, 302 00:19:26,560 --> 00:19:30,320 Speaker 1: you strip away the historical context in which that relationship occurred, 303 00:19:30,880 --> 00:19:34,720 Speaker 1: and you demean the overall understanding of the work as 304 00:19:34,760 --> 00:19:37,520 Speaker 1: a whole, and it's it's so important. I think this 305 00:19:37,560 --> 00:19:39,679 Speaker 1: is a huge story and I want to hit this 306 00:19:39,720 --> 00:19:43,080 Speaker 1: because some critics will say, well, you guys aren't standing 307 00:19:43,200 --> 00:19:46,200 Speaker 1: up for they're trying to take this book out of schools, 308 00:19:46,240 --> 00:19:48,680 Speaker 1: and they're this is this is important, and I think 309 00:19:48,680 --> 00:19:52,160 Speaker 1: Republicans do a really poor job talking about this. There 310 00:19:52,240 --> 00:19:56,320 Speaker 1: is a difference between this when it is age appropriate 311 00:19:56,400 --> 00:19:59,879 Speaker 1: for kids to be reading books and what books should 312 00:20:00,000 --> 00:20:03,080 Speaker 1: be available to them in a kindergarten, first and second 313 00:20:03,080 --> 00:20:06,560 Speaker 1: grade library and saying the book shouldn't be available at all. 314 00:20:06,600 --> 00:20:09,399 Speaker 1: And in the context of movies, Buck, parents do this 315 00:20:09,480 --> 00:20:12,480 Speaker 1: all the time, right, you know when we were growing up, 316 00:20:12,800 --> 00:20:14,639 Speaker 1: I bet your parents were a lot like mine. There 317 00:20:14,640 --> 00:20:16,720 Speaker 1: were a lot of shoot them up movies, right, action 318 00:20:16,760 --> 00:20:19,840 Speaker 1: adventure movies. They might have been rated. Are were you 319 00:20:19,920 --> 00:20:23,520 Speaker 1: allowed to go see that movie? You weren't saying, oh, 320 00:20:23,640 --> 00:20:27,440 Speaker 1: we're censoring this movie from kids when it's rated R. 321 00:20:27,880 --> 00:20:30,639 Speaker 1: You're saying, no, we're letting parents know there's an age 322 00:20:30,640 --> 00:20:34,560 Speaker 1: appropriate context under which Pg. Thirteen maybe a nine year 323 00:20:34,560 --> 00:20:36,960 Speaker 1: old doesn't need to see that movie. There's a big 324 00:20:37,000 --> 00:20:41,280 Speaker 1: difference between this, which is direct censorship, and debating and 325 00:20:41,480 --> 00:20:47,280 Speaker 1: discussing the age appropriate nature of books for kids widely different. 326 00:20:47,320 --> 00:20:50,000 Speaker 1: And I think Republicans do an awful job of discussing 327 00:20:50,000 --> 00:20:52,920 Speaker 1: that difference. Yeah, they they need to hit back every 328 00:20:52,920 --> 00:20:55,000 Speaker 1: time they say and then they're going after Rohn de 329 00:20:55,080 --> 00:20:57,640 Speaker 1: Santis on this a lot lately because of the curriculum 330 00:20:57,720 --> 00:21:00,440 Speaker 1: change in Florida. And they're lying, but we need to 331 00:21:00,480 --> 00:21:04,880 Speaker 1: say they're lying. There's a very clear difference between this 332 00:21:04,920 --> 00:21:08,919 Speaker 1: book is banned and we're not going to assign or 333 00:21:09,000 --> 00:21:13,280 Speaker 1: teach this book to a six year old. Okay, yes, 334 00:21:13,840 --> 00:21:16,360 Speaker 1: everyone can understand this. And I will say De Santists 335 00:21:16,760 --> 00:21:21,119 Speaker 1: won this argument when it came to the bill about 336 00:21:21,160 --> 00:21:23,959 Speaker 1: what could be taught in schools. Remember, because because Democrats 337 00:21:23,960 --> 00:21:27,200 Speaker 1: tried this lie of oh, you're never allowed to say 338 00:21:27,240 --> 00:21:29,239 Speaker 1: that you're gay, that was the big story they were 339 00:21:29,280 --> 00:21:31,480 Speaker 1: trying to push. And then Rohnda Santis was like, why 340 00:21:31,520 --> 00:21:33,960 Speaker 1: do you have to talk about transgender ideology to people? 341 00:21:34,600 --> 00:21:38,200 Speaker 1: It's said in the bill before the third grade? Yeah, 342 00:21:38,240 --> 00:21:41,199 Speaker 1: I mean the second grader thing. I think that was 343 00:21:41,240 --> 00:21:43,440 Speaker 1: too kind, right, what a fourth and fifth graders need 344 00:21:43,440 --> 00:21:46,080 Speaker 1: to be dealing with sexuality related is But because it 345 00:21:46,160 --> 00:21:49,720 Speaker 1: had that clear language, that clear designation, it was possible 346 00:21:49,800 --> 00:21:52,440 Speaker 1: to win the argument not only with Republicans, very important 347 00:21:52,880 --> 00:21:56,800 Speaker 1: Democrats in the state of Florida by solid majority agreed 348 00:21:56,840 --> 00:21:59,439 Speaker 1: with Rohnda Santis on this, so that that was one 349 00:21:59,440 --> 00:22:01,240 Speaker 1: of those cases when they say, because you hear this 350 00:22:01,320 --> 00:22:05,800 Speaker 1: talk about all the time, Um, who's the the enormous 351 00:22:05,840 --> 00:22:10,720 Speaker 1: because we can't say fat governor of Illinois, thank you, 352 00:22:10,840 --> 00:22:13,480 Speaker 1: he does this. He is super fat. By the way, 353 00:22:13,480 --> 00:22:15,480 Speaker 1: I'll go ahead and say it. Enormous is what you're 354 00:22:15,480 --> 00:22:18,120 Speaker 1: supposed to say now according to the roll Doll censors. 355 00:22:18,200 --> 00:22:22,800 Speaker 1: But yes, he's he's a large fellow. Um he talking 356 00:22:22,840 --> 00:22:25,119 Speaker 1: about banning books, how they're banning books in these states. 357 00:22:25,119 --> 00:22:28,080 Speaker 1: It's they're just lying. This is a lie. There's no 358 00:22:28,160 --> 00:22:31,320 Speaker 1: book being banned. In fact, if anyone is banning books, 359 00:22:31,400 --> 00:22:34,280 Speaker 1: as we know it is the left. The left are 360 00:22:34,320 --> 00:22:38,240 Speaker 1: the ones that decide that something should be no longer 361 00:22:38,280 --> 00:22:41,479 Speaker 1: in print, no longer published, no longer sold. We just 362 00:22:41,520 --> 00:22:46,720 Speaker 1: don't want them teaching pan sexuality to second graders. That 363 00:22:46,800 --> 00:22:50,880 Speaker 1: seems reasonable to me. I just I can't impress upon 364 00:22:50,920 --> 00:22:53,560 Speaker 1: everybody out there listening enough. Because Eric Adams said, we 365 00:22:53,640 --> 00:22:57,040 Speaker 1: don't ban books here in uh, in New York, nothing's 366 00:22:57,040 --> 00:22:59,760 Speaker 1: being banned. If people want to go buy these books 367 00:22:59,760 --> 00:23:03,719 Speaker 1: and them inside of their household, that's fine. Age appropriate nature, 368 00:23:03,920 --> 00:23:08,119 Speaker 1: nature's at which kids should be reading is the foundation 369 00:23:08,160 --> 00:23:10,000 Speaker 1: of parenting. And if you just put it in the 370 00:23:10,040 --> 00:23:13,879 Speaker 1: context of movies, nobody ever says, oh, they rated that 371 00:23:13,960 --> 00:23:17,600 Speaker 1: movie pg. Thirteen, they're trying to ban kids from seeing it. No, 372 00:23:18,280 --> 00:23:20,879 Speaker 1: you're just letting people know what you think a roughly 373 00:23:20,960 --> 00:23:26,200 Speaker 1: age approximate viewing experience should be. It's not crazy, straightforward 374 00:23:26,400 --> 00:23:30,000 Speaker 1: common sense. I was already a Doll fan. Obviously, he's 375 00:23:30,040 --> 00:23:33,399 Speaker 1: written a lot of incredible books. But Buck, I've been 376 00:23:33,440 --> 00:23:36,280 Speaker 1: reading about his service during World War Two, and we've 377 00:23:36,320 --> 00:23:38,680 Speaker 1: got a great call. I'm gonna get to in a sec. 378 00:23:39,480 --> 00:23:45,880 Speaker 1: But in nineteen forty in Africa, he crashed his airplane, 379 00:23:46,240 --> 00:23:49,240 Speaker 1: couldn't find the air strip, was in no man's land, 380 00:23:49,359 --> 00:23:52,920 Speaker 1: forced to attempt a landing in the desert under I'm 381 00:23:52,960 --> 00:23:56,440 Speaker 1: reading from Wikipedia, so fi, but it's all cited under 382 00:23:56,440 --> 00:24:01,119 Speaker 1: courage hit a boulder. Aircraft crashed, his goal was fractured, 383 00:24:01,200 --> 00:24:05,760 Speaker 1: his nose was smashed, he was temporarily blinded. He managed 384 00:24:05,800 --> 00:24:09,800 Speaker 1: to drag himself away from the blazing wreckage lost consciousness, 385 00:24:10,520 --> 00:24:14,440 Speaker 1: was then rescued, went back and ended up fighting all 386 00:24:14,440 --> 00:24:18,960 Speaker 1: over Europe as a fighter pilot, and then becomes one 387 00:24:19,000 --> 00:24:23,159 Speaker 1: of the most renowned children's authors of all time. And 388 00:24:23,240 --> 00:24:26,359 Speaker 1: we've got a caller out there right now who says 389 00:24:26,440 --> 00:24:30,679 Speaker 1: that he was involved in at least seeing how the 390 00:24:30,920 --> 00:24:35,480 Speaker 1: BFG movie was turned from a book into a movie. 391 00:24:36,000 --> 00:24:39,480 Speaker 1: Joe and Alan Dell New Jersey, What you got for us? Hey, 392 00:24:39,520 --> 00:24:43,080 Speaker 1: how's it going guys? All right? Yeah, I actually had 393 00:24:43,080 --> 00:24:46,720 Speaker 1: a conversation with the producer and animator of the first VFG, 394 00:24:47,160 --> 00:24:50,920 Speaker 1: Big Friendly Giant. He was from England and he actually 395 00:24:51,960 --> 00:24:54,840 Speaker 1: he met dollan he produced a movie and when they 396 00:24:54,840 --> 00:24:57,280 Speaker 1: were showing it in the theater, Doll was known to 397 00:24:57,320 --> 00:25:00,600 Speaker 1: be such a hothead about his work and changing of 398 00:25:00,680 --> 00:25:03,320 Speaker 1: his work that he sat by the exit so that 399 00:25:03,480 --> 00:25:06,359 Speaker 1: if Doll hated it, he could run out without getting 400 00:25:06,560 --> 00:25:12,560 Speaker 1: berated in front of the whole audience. Did Doll like it? Doll? My, 401 00:25:12,960 --> 00:25:15,320 Speaker 1: the person I spoke to, said he stood and uh 402 00:25:15,800 --> 00:25:19,840 Speaker 1: sobbed because Dal stood up personally and just applauded so 403 00:25:20,440 --> 00:25:23,360 Speaker 1: like crazily, I guess you would say that it just 404 00:25:23,520 --> 00:25:28,000 Speaker 1: overwhelmed the person I spoke to. That's great, great story, 405 00:25:28,040 --> 00:25:29,560 Speaker 1: Thank you for calling, Thank you for calling him. With that, 406 00:25:29,640 --> 00:25:32,800 Speaker 1: I just play, you know, before you'd mentioned I threw 407 00:25:32,840 --> 00:25:35,240 Speaker 1: this in the very end of our Two Hardy Boys 408 00:25:35,280 --> 00:25:37,399 Speaker 1: for you was the first. That was the that was 409 00:25:37,440 --> 00:25:40,200 Speaker 1: the first sort of author or series of books when 410 00:25:40,200 --> 00:25:42,880 Speaker 1: you were a kid that you were just enraptured by. Yes, 411 00:25:42,920 --> 00:25:46,000 Speaker 1: and I understand Franklin W. Dixon as a ghostwriter, but 412 00:25:46,160 --> 00:25:49,080 Speaker 1: I could not read. I read every Hardy Boy book 413 00:25:49,119 --> 00:25:51,880 Speaker 1: Frank and Joe Hardy back in the day, the blue Covers, 414 00:25:51,920 --> 00:25:54,720 Speaker 1: then into the case Files and on beyond. What About 415 00:25:54,760 --> 00:25:57,960 Speaker 1: You the first book that I remember taking home from 416 00:25:57,960 --> 00:25:59,960 Speaker 1: the library that was a real book that I read, 417 00:26:00,040 --> 00:26:01,920 Speaker 1: had covered a cover. I've talked a lot about Tom 418 00:26:01,960 --> 00:26:04,280 Speaker 1: Clancy and Michael Crichton on the show because they were 419 00:26:04,280 --> 00:26:06,840 Speaker 1: the authors that I loved as a kid, But it 420 00:26:06,880 --> 00:26:11,720 Speaker 1: was actually The Three Musketeers by Alexandre Duma. Very good pronunciation. 421 00:26:11,800 --> 00:26:14,320 Speaker 1: There may we be in Sarah by the way. Three 422 00:26:14,400 --> 00:26:17,440 Speaker 1: Musketeers a great novel to this day, still a great 423 00:26:17,480 --> 00:26:21,840 Speaker 1: great novel. Love The Count of Monte Christo, also really 424 00:26:21,880 --> 00:26:25,520 Speaker 1: well done by Alexander Duma. As I would pronounce it, 425 00:26:25,560 --> 00:26:26,320 Speaker 1: not as well as buck