WEBVTT - When Women Take the Lead

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<v Speaker 1>This is Bloomberg Business Week with Carol Masser and Bloomberg

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<v Speaker 1>Quick Takes Tim Stinovic on Bloomberg Radio. I caught up

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<v Speaker 1>uh and noticed a story that was in Bloomberg Business

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<v Speaker 1>Week this week by Bloomberg's Area and Cohen. It was

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<v Speaker 1>about how to get more women in leadership roles, and

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<v Speaker 1>it basically just said, what you're considering individuals for leadership roles,

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<v Speaker 1>consider everyone to be a candidate unless they opt out,

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<v Speaker 1>basically saying that Katie, a lot of women don't put

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<v Speaker 1>themselves forward because they just don't think they have the

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<v Speaker 1>skills or that they're up to it. Yeah, it was

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<v Speaker 1>a fantastic uh story to read, and it makes a

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<v Speaker 1>lot of sense to the Really, you should just be

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<v Speaker 1>considering everyone. Every one's fair game, right, open up the pool,

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<v Speaker 1>all right, So getting to those positions that's one struggle.

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<v Speaker 1>Another one is thriving in a leadership position once you

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<v Speaker 1>get there, And that's where our next guest comes in.

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<v Speaker 1>Back with us is Janet um Foundy. She is executive

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<v Speaker 1>director at the of the Board at the Deloitte US

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<v Speaker 1>excuse me. On her book, it's called Arrive and Thrive.

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<v Speaker 1>Seven Impactful Practices for women navigating leadership, and she joins

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<v Speaker 1>us on the phone own in Europe, Janet, nice to

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<v Speaker 1>have you back with us. Tell us about the premise

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<v Speaker 1>of this, because it is true like women, you know,

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<v Speaker 1>once they get there, that's one struggle, but then it's

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<v Speaker 1>like figuring out the position and navigating through that leadership position.

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<v Speaker 1>So Carol and Katie, thank you so much for having me.

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<v Speaker 1>And it's truly a pleasure to be back, and you're

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<v Speaker 1>helping me conquer my newly found jet lag as I'm

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<v Speaker 1>traveling against. So we did no, no, no, it's perfect. Actually,

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<v Speaker 1>you know, there is so much written about how women

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<v Speaker 1>get to leadership, and I actually loved your your your

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<v Speaker 1>comments about the story around really widening the aperture of

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<v Speaker 1>who you think could be a leader. There's not enough

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<v Speaker 1>conversation about how women can be both successful and happy

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<v Speaker 1>personally once they're there. So there's a lot about arising

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<v Speaker 1>and not as much about thriving. So we took a

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<v Speaker 1>giant step back and had some amazing conversations with leaders

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<v Speaker 1>um and came up with sort of a set of

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<v Speaker 1>super practical lived experiences that have generated stories and research

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<v Speaker 1>and tools that have allowed us to I hope lay

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<v Speaker 1>out a really good set of practices and ideas and

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<v Speaker 1>conversation starters for women as they talk about thriving once

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<v Speaker 1>they've arrived in leadership. Well, Janet walked through some of

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<v Speaker 1>those practices because you you identify and bullet point seven

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<v Speaker 1>of them we do so UM, it's a it's a

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<v Speaker 1>lot to spin through on the fly. UM. What sits

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<v Speaker 1>at the absolute center is UM is really knowing your

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<v Speaker 1>absolute best self UM and really getting sort of confident

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<v Speaker 1>in who you are and and what makes you you. UM.

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<v Speaker 1>We talk about courage, We talk about being an inclusive leader.

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<v Speaker 1>We talked about the building healthy teams, authenticity, maybe my favorite,

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<v Speaker 1>which is inspiring a bold vision, UM, and courage. So

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<v Speaker 1>we've got UM seven things that are very interrelated and

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<v Speaker 1>very intertwined that we think are absolutely UM critical as

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<v Speaker 1>you think about being UM, thriving and being productive when

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<v Speaker 1>you're there. Well, and it's interesting you talk about these

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<v Speaker 1>seven actionable practices, and I do wonder you know, you

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<v Speaker 1>talked about, you know, investing in your best self authenticity.

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<v Speaker 1>Is there one or two that you think might surprise

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<v Speaker 1>our audience about what you need to be thinking about

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<v Speaker 1>as a woman And and well, let me actually take

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<v Speaker 1>a step back, if I make because I was thinking

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<v Speaker 1>about this when I knew you were coming on, and

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<v Speaker 1>I was looking at the book. You know, why is

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<v Speaker 1>it that we need a book on women navigating leadership?

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<v Speaker 1>What's so sex specific about that? Like I, I can't wait,

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<v Speaker 1>Janet for the time where we just talk about leadership

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<v Speaker 1>and we don't have to talk about men and leadership

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<v Speaker 1>and what they need to do versus women in leadership,

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<v Speaker 1>you and me both UM and actually I think I

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<v Speaker 1>think a lot of this, and I've been in some

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<v Speaker 1>great conversations, is highly relevant to men as well. But

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<v Speaker 1>we did want to til as the conversation to women.

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<v Speaker 1>We certainly know, and I know you've reported on UM

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<v Speaker 1>the absolute steps backwards we've taken in the pandemic in

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<v Speaker 1>terms of women advancing their careers, given all the responsibilities

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<v Speaker 1>that they have. We know that women are often stepping

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<v Speaker 1>into mail dominated environments, and we wanted to really bring

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<v Speaker 1>a lens to the conversation that would help them think about, um,

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<v Speaker 1>what would help them be great leaders through through a

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<v Speaker 1>lens of being a woman. But I think you'll find

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<v Speaker 1>that much of his really practical advice for all leaders

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<v Speaker 1>as well. And Janet, you brought up the pandemic and

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<v Speaker 1>I want to build on that because that's something I

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<v Speaker 1>think about a lot. How just the past two years

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<v Speaker 1>working from home, trying to return to the office. Now

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<v Speaker 1>you know a lot of places putting in place a

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<v Speaker 1>hybrid model. UM. I mean, how do how does that

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<v Speaker 1>factor into this conversation? End end your book? How do

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<v Speaker 1>how does this change strategies from what we might have

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<v Speaker 1>been talking about two years ago, for example, or more

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<v Speaker 1>than two years ago. Yeah, so yeah, right, times flying

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<v Speaker 1>by there. UM. A couple of things in the book

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<v Speaker 1>that I think are are tied into this conversation. Maybe

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<v Speaker 1>at the top of the list is authenticity and amazing

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<v Speaker 1>conversations UM in and around authenticity, And I do think

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<v Speaker 1>the pandemic has shined a very different spotlight UM as

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<v Speaker 1>our living rooms have turned into conference rooms in and

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<v Speaker 1>around authenticity and frankly helped advance the conversation or an

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<v Speaker 1>authenticity in in a really meaningful way. I also think

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<v Speaker 1>that resiliency and adaptability certainly has been tested in all

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<v Speaker 1>of us in UM two levels that I don't think

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<v Speaker 1>any of us expected in the pandemic. And I actually

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<v Speaker 1>think the strength that we can build on both of

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<v Speaker 1>those attributes and practices um as we have a return

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<v Speaker 1>to whatever the next normal is is a place will actually,

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<v Speaker 1>I actually think can be an accelerant for women because

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<v Speaker 1>those two topics um are places where we I think

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<v Speaker 1>developed more strength over the last couple of years. I

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<v Speaker 1>love the one cultivated courage commit to action alongside with

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<v Speaker 1>your fear, your fear alongside your fear of doing so.

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<v Speaker 1>I mean, this is something you know, it's interesting. You

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<v Speaker 1>know a lot of you read lot of books um

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<v Speaker 1>about entrepreneurs, Male entrepreneurs, you start a company, I mean,

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<v Speaker 1>they break things up, they mess it up, it's uncomfortable,

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<v Speaker 1>but they're revered for it. Is that part of what

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<v Speaker 1>you're saying for women in terms of leadership, that they

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<v Speaker 1>need to do something similar. So maybe I just touched

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<v Speaker 1>on two quick things around courage. I actually think the

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<v Speaker 1>thing for women as they really as we push our

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<v Speaker 1>collective boundaries around courage is acknowledging when you don't know

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<v Speaker 1>and having the courage to ask for help. And I

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<v Speaker 1>think that is a place where all leaders can learn

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<v Speaker 1>and grow. But I think women in particular, I think

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<v Speaker 1>we really need to push ourselves to that end. But

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<v Speaker 1>we talk also about inspiring a bold vision and to

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<v Speaker 1>your point of sort of getting in the soup, we're

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<v Speaker 1>getting in the mass. You know. I think a lot

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<v Speaker 1>of women think that you have to wake up in

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<v Speaker 1>the morning with the brilliant new idea um to inspire

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<v Speaker 1>a vision, and are are so anxious that if they're

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<v Speaker 1>not the person that wakes up with that lightning bolt

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<v Speaker 1>with a new idea. But I and we really believe

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<v Speaker 1>that creating a vision is often about listening. It's about

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<v Speaker 1>connecting the dots, is looking for the white space and

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<v Speaker 1>then being able to really clearly articulate where you think

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<v Speaker 1>the organization, the team, um, the business needs to go.

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<v Speaker 1>So those are two threads of things, right, I think

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<v Speaker 1>tie into that conversation well and certainly a subject that

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<v Speaker 1>we talk a lot about it in some sound advice. UM. Janet,

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<v Speaker 1>thank you so much, really appreciate and thanks for staying up.

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<v Speaker 1>I'm glad able to help a little bit with your

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<v Speaker 1>jet lag. Janet Foudy she's executive chair of the board

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<v Speaker 1>over at Deloitte US. Her new book is Arrived and Thrive,

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<v Speaker 1>Seven Impactful Practices for Women Navigating Leadership, and she did

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<v Speaker 1>join us on the phone,