Speaker 1: This is Bloomberg Business Week with Carol Masser and Bloomberg
Speaker 1: Quick Takes Tim Stinovic on Bloomberg Radio. I caught up
Speaker 1: uh and noticed a story that was in Bloomberg Business
Speaker 1: Week this week by Bloomberg's Area and Cohen. It was
Speaker 1: about how to get more women in leadership roles, and
Speaker 1: it basically just said, what you're considering individuals for leadership roles,
Speaker 1: consider everyone to be a candidate unless they opt out,
Speaker 1: basically saying that Katie, a lot of women don't put
Speaker 1: themselves forward because they just don't think they have the
Speaker 1: skills or that they're up to it. Yeah, it was
Speaker 1: a fantastic uh story to read, and it makes a
Speaker 1: lot of sense to the Really, you should just be
Speaker 1: considering everyone. Every one's fair game, right, open up the pool,
Speaker 1: all right, So getting to those positions that's one struggle.
Speaker 1: Another one is thriving in a leadership position once you
Speaker 1: get there, And that's where our next guest comes in.
Speaker 1: Back with us is Janet um Foundy. She is executive
Speaker 1: director at the of the Board at the Deloitte US
Speaker 1: excuse me. On her book, it's called Arrive and Thrive.
Speaker 1: Seven Impactful Practices for women navigating leadership, and she joins
Speaker 1: us on the phone own in Europe, Janet, nice to
Speaker 1: have you back with us. Tell us about the premise
Speaker 1: of this, because it is true like women, you know,
Speaker 1: once they get there, that's one struggle, but then it's
Speaker 1: like figuring out the position and navigating through that leadership position.
Speaker 1: So Carol and Katie, thank you so much for having me.
Speaker 1: And it's truly a pleasure to be back, and you're
Speaker 1: helping me conquer my newly found jet lag as I'm
Speaker 1: traveling against. So we did no, no, no, it's perfect. Actually,
Speaker 1: you know, there is so much written about how women
Speaker 1: get to leadership, and I actually loved your your your
Speaker 1: comments about the story around really widening the aperture of
Speaker 1: who you think could be a leader. There's not enough
Speaker 1: conversation about how women can be both successful and happy
Speaker 1: personally once they're there. So there's a lot about arising
Speaker 1: and not as much about thriving. So we took a
Speaker 1: giant step back and had some amazing conversations with leaders
Speaker 1: um and came up with sort of a set of
Speaker 1: super practical lived experiences that have generated stories and research
Speaker 1: and tools that have allowed us to I hope lay
Speaker 1: out a really good set of practices and ideas and
Speaker 1: conversation starters for women as they talk about thriving once
Speaker 1: they've arrived in leadership. Well, Janet walked through some of
Speaker 1: those practices because you you identify and bullet point seven
Speaker 1: of them we do so UM, it's a it's a
Speaker 1: lot to spin through on the fly. UM. What sits
Speaker 1: at the absolute center is UM is really knowing your
Speaker 1: absolute best self UM and really getting sort of confident
Speaker 1: in who you are and and what makes you you. UM.
Speaker 1: We talk about courage, We talk about being an inclusive leader.
Speaker 1: We talked about the building healthy teams, authenticity, maybe my favorite,
Speaker 1: which is inspiring a bold vision, UM, and courage. So
Speaker 1: we've got UM seven things that are very interrelated and
Speaker 1: very intertwined that we think are absolutely UM critical as
Speaker 1: you think about being UM, thriving and being productive when
Speaker 1: you're there. Well, and it's interesting you talk about these
Speaker 1: seven actionable practices, and I do wonder you know, you
Speaker 1: talked about, you know, investing in your best self authenticity.
Speaker 1: Is there one or two that you think might surprise
Speaker 1: our audience about what you need to be thinking about
Speaker 1: as a woman And and well, let me actually take
Speaker 1: a step back, if I make because I was thinking
Speaker 1: about this when I knew you were coming on, and
Speaker 1: I was looking at the book. You know, why is
Speaker 1: it that we need a book on women navigating leadership?
Speaker 1: What's so sex specific about that? Like I, I can't wait,
Speaker 1: Janet for the time where we just talk about leadership
Speaker 1: and we don't have to talk about men and leadership
Speaker 1: and what they need to do versus women in leadership,
Speaker 1: you and me both UM and actually I think I
Speaker 1: think a lot of this, and I've been in some
Speaker 1: great conversations, is highly relevant to men as well. But
Speaker 1: we did want to til as the conversation to women.
Speaker 1: We certainly know, and I know you've reported on UM
Speaker 1: the absolute steps backwards we've taken in the pandemic in
Speaker 1: terms of women advancing their careers, given all the responsibilities
Speaker 1: that they have. We know that women are often stepping
Speaker 1: into mail dominated environments, and we wanted to really bring
Speaker 1: a lens to the conversation that would help them think about, um,
Speaker 1: what would help them be great leaders through through a
Speaker 1: lens of being a woman. But I think you'll find
Speaker 1: that much of his really practical advice for all leaders
Speaker 1: as well. And Janet, you brought up the pandemic and
Speaker 1: I want to build on that because that's something I
Speaker 1: think about a lot. How just the past two years
Speaker 1: working from home, trying to return to the office. Now
Speaker 1: you know a lot of places putting in place a
Speaker 1: hybrid model. UM. I mean, how do how does that
Speaker 1: factor into this conversation? End end your book? How do
Speaker 1: how does this change strategies from what we might have
Speaker 1: been talking about two years ago, for example, or more
Speaker 1: than two years ago. Yeah, so yeah, right, times flying
Speaker 1: by there. UM. A couple of things in the book
Speaker 1: that I think are are tied into this conversation. Maybe
Speaker 1: at the top of the list is authenticity and amazing
Speaker 1: conversations UM in and around authenticity, And I do think
Speaker 1: the pandemic has shined a very different spotlight UM as
Speaker 1: our living rooms have turned into conference rooms in and
Speaker 1: around authenticity and frankly helped advance the conversation or an
Speaker 1: authenticity in in a really meaningful way. I also think
Speaker 1: that resiliency and adaptability certainly has been tested in all
Speaker 1: of us in UM two levels that I don't think
Speaker 1: any of us expected in the pandemic. And I actually
Speaker 1: think the strength that we can build on both of
Speaker 1: those attributes and practices um as we have a return
Speaker 1: to whatever the next normal is is a place will actually,
Speaker 1: I actually think can be an accelerant for women because
Speaker 1: those two topics um are places where we I think
Speaker 1: developed more strength over the last couple of years. I
Speaker 1: love the one cultivated courage commit to action alongside with
Speaker 1: your fear, your fear alongside your fear of doing so.
Speaker 1: I mean, this is something you know, it's interesting. You
Speaker 1: know a lot of you read lot of books um
Speaker 1: about entrepreneurs, Male entrepreneurs, you start a company, I mean,
Speaker 1: they break things up, they mess it up, it's uncomfortable,
Speaker 1: but they're revered for it. Is that part of what
Speaker 1: you're saying for women in terms of leadership, that they
Speaker 1: need to do something similar. So maybe I just touched
Speaker 1: on two quick things around courage. I actually think the
Speaker 1: thing for women as they really as we push our
Speaker 1: collective boundaries around courage is acknowledging when you don't know
Speaker 1: and having the courage to ask for help. And I
Speaker 1: think that is a place where all leaders can learn
Speaker 1: and grow. But I think women in particular, I think
Speaker 1: we really need to push ourselves to that end. But
Speaker 1: we talk also about inspiring a bold vision and to
Speaker 1: your point of sort of getting in the soup, we're
Speaker 1: getting in the mass. You know. I think a lot
Speaker 1: of women think that you have to wake up in
Speaker 1: the morning with the brilliant new idea um to inspire
Speaker 1: a vision, and are are so anxious that if they're
Speaker 1: not the person that wakes up with that lightning bolt
Speaker 1: with a new idea. But I and we really believe
Speaker 1: that creating a vision is often about listening. It's about
Speaker 1: connecting the dots, is looking for the white space and
Speaker 1: then being able to really clearly articulate where you think
Speaker 1: the organization, the team, um, the business needs to go.
Speaker 1: So those are two threads of things, right, I think
Speaker 1: tie into that conversation well and certainly a subject that
Speaker 1: we talk a lot about it in some sound advice. UM. Janet,
Speaker 1: thank you so much, really appreciate and thanks for staying up.
Speaker 1: I'm glad able to help a little bit with your
Speaker 1: jet lag. Janet Foudy she's executive chair of the board
Speaker 1: over at Deloitte US. Her new book is Arrived and Thrive,
Speaker 1: Seven Impactful Practices for Women Navigating Leadership, and she did
Speaker 1: join us on the phone,