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Speaker 1: Now your hosts, Barry Church, Danny McCrae, Heckma Harrison, and
Speaker 1: Newie scrugs.
Speaker 2: Right, what's up? What's up? Hiding me? Yo? Louie? Backing
Speaker 2: here more, folks Again.
Speaker 3: I'm telling you he got a whole separate closet for that,
Speaker 3: probably college football playoffs or something about something. But I'm
Speaker 3: with he got he got about another six months before
Speaker 3: he come in here with some K State girl and
Speaker 3: then yeah, all the K State.
Speaker 2: Gift to be is that? Is that a done deal?
Speaker 2: She chose Manhattan pretty much. Okay, she already got already
Speaker 2: got a hat.
Speaker 4: I already know, came back two weeks ago, got that
Speaker 4: got a case state hat.
Speaker 2: So, man, that is jumping in Manhattan. It is in
Speaker 2: New York. You know what you know, it's jumping Barry
Speaker 2: Church all the scholarship money.
Speaker 3: So that's true, that's true, But it's different from now.
Speaker 3: You know, it's a new day.
Speaker 2: He's Danny McCrae, Barry Church, Randy Hugh, I mean, whoever
Speaker 2: it is, let's just go ahead. This is what I know. Okay,
Speaker 2: this is what I know.
Speaker 3: What I what I found out today is the best
Speaker 3: Cowboys player ever won the number forty two is a
Speaker 3: guy by the name not a Barry Church, Okay, not
Speaker 3: not Troy Hand, not Ture, but Randy right, Henry Hugh,
Speaker 3: You Hugh.
Speaker 2: I got to get.
Speaker 3: My my Cowboys history up because I was not aware
Speaker 3: of mister Randy. But he did win a championship. Okay,
Speaker 3: he got some interceptions. He had a loan interception of
Speaker 3: sixty eight yards, And I said, you know, maybe that's
Speaker 3: why Barry didn't have an interception of sixty eight friends
Speaker 3: with friends like these, who needs him?
Speaker 2: It's this post history going on.
Speaker 3: I don't know that for Columbus nowthing about so I
Speaker 3: just walked in on this. Randy's usually good at football,
Speaker 3: Randy Randy, I don't know, man, it's a Barry.
Speaker 2: Barry's were usually good too.
Speaker 4: Let's let's just go down the list of the all
Speaker 4: time forty two according.
Speaker 2: To listening to the Cowboy Road. Down the list. Don mclahaney,
Speaker 2: I never heard of him, Sorry, mister mclney.
Speaker 4: For Smu Mustang. He was a good player at college,
Speaker 4: but he was on the expansion team. So sixty sixty one,
Speaker 4: Jim Ridling eight, d Whitfield, Claxton Welch, Randy Hughes from
Speaker 4: seventy five to eighty World champion, Ricky Easman never heard
Speaker 4: of Darryl Clack. Sorry, mister Dan Smagala.
Speaker 3: I'm just going okay, it's not an order here the top.
Speaker 4: Right here according the book going down the list, Uh,
Speaker 4: Robert Wilson, Charlie Williams.
Speaker 2: Remember with Charlie Charlie Williams super Bowl champion.
Speaker 3: Uh. Chris Warren is Barry Church on the Troy Hambrick
Speaker 3: Chris Warren from Seattle.
Speaker 4: Yeah, okay, let's see if he was here ninety sixty
Speaker 4: two thousand, so before the chan Gaily Campbell years Troy
Speaker 4: Hambrick Detroy also wore number thirty five.
Speaker 2: Anthony Henry. Shout out to Henry. I know, I know
Speaker 2: he was a good player. Number one. Number one was good.
Speaker 2: Henry was good. We all saw that. We all saw
Speaker 2: Anthony Barr once again. We all saw that. We all
Speaker 2: saw that.
Speaker 4: Currently, Deuce Van, those are your all, that is your
Speaker 4: all time number forty two roster.
Speaker 5: I think Dud's got a shot. He has to get
Speaker 5: out of negative yards. First, you're some positive.
Speaker 2: Have you ever seen Church on this? So ever?
Speaker 3: Man, I've never seen this man s So that's why
Speaker 3: I ain't saying that I believe it all.
Speaker 2: We get to the subjects. Man, go through the list,
Speaker 2: and I'm gonna close it out after this.
Speaker 5: You go through the list, you put my stands up
Speaker 5: against any of those cats.
Speaker 2: It's out the water. It ain't even a question. So
Speaker 2: not even a question.
Speaker 5: So I'm trying to understand the gist of the oh,
Speaker 5: because it goent back to uh, Nick eat, how does
Speaker 5: he even start? That's what ye But Nick was sitting
Speaker 5: there lunch just talking to me Nick and Danny's mother cats,
Speaker 5: and he had brought up an article that he had
Speaker 5: wrote back in.
Speaker 2: What he said was nineteen eighteen, one of them Times,
Speaker 2: and it.
Speaker 5: Was the best get numbers from Cowboys History one to
Speaker 5: ninety nine.
Speaker 2: So we're going through all this.
Speaker 5: McBride was number one, I think Jeff Heath was the best,
Speaker 5: thirty eight or something like that, got to forty two,
Speaker 5: and we see it Randy was it Randy Hughes on
Speaker 5: that So I'm like, hold on, cuz the second Randy
Speaker 5: Hughes and we started going through all the forty two's
Speaker 5: that have ever worn forty two for the Cowboys that
Speaker 5: and I'm like, hold on, that's what That's what y'all
Speaker 5: decided to go with the gold playing what you got
Speaker 5: going on here?
Speaker 2: Man, Like, did y'all see what? What? In my mind,
Speaker 2: I'm thinking.
Speaker 5: What was y'all thinking? What goes into the criteria to
Speaker 5: be considered?
Speaker 3: You know what?
Speaker 2: I mean? The top forty two?
Speaker 6: Isaiah now?
Speaker 2: But I'm like, Isaiah, now, that's what it was. And
Speaker 2: I looked, I don't know what the criteria because I'm
Speaker 2: looking at it. I'm like, what about your world? Chamming?
Speaker 5: Okay, some of those guys got rings, But those same
Speaker 5: guys that got rings started what maybe a game, maybe
Speaker 5: two games? So that's what we want. So that's what
Speaker 5: the whole thing was, and that's how we're doing it.
Speaker 5: You should put in the comment box, okay, we needed.
Speaker 2: You can't comment? No nothing.
Speaker 5: Well that was and that's I'm done. I'm done now
Speaker 5: because we all know who it was, no question about it.
Speaker 5: All those guys, you know, they did, they did the work.
Speaker 2: To get there. But they didn't do the work. I
Speaker 2: put in something it is, it is what.
Speaker 5: It is, Salty Tuesday. So that was in those tacos,
Speaker 5: same thing that was in that list.
Speaker 2: That was so Nikki is Nick came up with it
Speaker 2: all by himself.
Speaker 7: It was his article.
Speaker 2: That I don't know.
Speaker 3: I don't know it's him by itself. He said it
Speaker 3: was some people who probably something but I mean, you know.
Speaker 2: Probably told him. It was Brandy Hughes and Randy Hughes.
Speaker 3: Yeah, and then also he went to UH to Jacksonville
Speaker 3: and started talking about said I spoke the truth.
Speaker 5: I suppose he was out truth. He went on Beasley,
Speaker 5: I ain't going like that. I ain't going crazy.
Speaker 2: Like.
Speaker 5: All I said was we have a more talented team
Speaker 5: at Jacksonville then they had it in Dallas in twenty seventeen,
Speaker 5: which was facts. We went to the MC Championship. I
Speaker 5: didn't even make the playoffs. So it wasn't like I
Speaker 5: was saying something blasphemous, but you know, it is what
Speaker 5: it is. I guess somebody got but hurt like I
Speaker 5: am about that list, but it is.
Speaker 3: Man I thought was going to ring man ran up
Speaker 3: in there.
Speaker 2: I mean, if my man do seem to do nothing.
Speaker 2: He called it straight. But when he get brought up
Speaker 2: in there, you know it is what it is. Man.
Speaker 4: So you just found out about this today ten minutes ago,
Speaker 4: ten minutes old.
Speaker 2: Oh this is fresh, Yes, sir, that's right. I think
Speaker 2: he's gonna be okay. Yeah, at the end of the day,
Speaker 2: I think I'm be alright. But you know, man, the
Speaker 2: only forty two week acknowledge. Appreciate you big. I know
Speaker 2: what it is. Come on, now, the heck that shows
Speaker 2: like tuesday, I didn't know.
Speaker 4: This is all fresh to me, man, all fresh to me.
Speaker 4: I didn't know. So no wonder you came in there
Speaker 4: like that trying to add this is him.
Speaker 2: The time.
Speaker 6: Hello, how y'all doing.
Speaker 3: Can we talk about the Carolina Panthers and how the
Speaker 3: heckma is probably nervous.
Speaker 2: That's the first time you said, because it right? So
Speaker 2: did you play here? See this right up there? I
Speaker 2: want to say it was about.
Speaker 4: Seventy something, Okay, So he played seventy seven games in
Speaker 4: the NFL.
Speaker 2: I started about seventy something game. I don't know how
Speaker 2: much heart.
Speaker 4: He had nine picks. Super Bowl Champion. He was drafted
Speaker 4: out of Oklahoma in the fourth round, All time, Big eighteen,
Speaker 4: All nineteen seventy, He's all decade in the Big eight,
Speaker 4: first team, all the we're talking about.
Speaker 5: Talked about NFL career, that's about the big big age.
Speaker 5: Oh so he did play with Drew all Eyes, Drew Pears.
Speaker 2: He was.
Speaker 4: He was a part of that Dirty dozen of seventy
Speaker 4: five team that lost to Super Bowl ten. From the start,
Speaker 4: his skills and reading from his skills earned him comparisons
Speaker 4: to Cowboy Great Cliffhears. Super Bowl twelve was arguably his
Speaker 4: best game as a professional, registering five tackles and interception
Speaker 4: and two fumble recoveries while earning m v P consideration.
Speaker 4: That no, no, no, that was Harvey mart Randy White
Speaker 4: co shared it.
Speaker 2: But he was a part of it. I'm saying he
Speaker 2: was in consideration for super Bowls. Talking about five tackles, Yes, yes,
Speaker 2: that's pretty good though, five tackles, a pick, and then to.
Speaker 3: During his in a game, bro you said you think
Speaker 3: about I'm talking about in a Super Bowl game, to
Speaker 3: get five tackles, a pick and two fumber recovers is big.
Speaker 2: That's your career best game.
Speaker 3: No, no, no, that that's not what I'm saying that's a game. Yes,
Speaker 3: be your career, pest game, had your best game in
Speaker 3: the Super Bow. I thought Will smith was having a
Speaker 3: bad day.
Speaker 4: He played six seasons, recorded nine picks with the Cowboys.
Speaker 3: No, no, let's talk about the Panthers. Let's talk about
Speaker 3: the Panthers. Okay, I got no, no, no, no.
Speaker 2: And then your boys gonna say, don't he did? What
Speaker 2: made me look it up? Clari It's like, don't google
Speaker 2: Will smith Man leave it alone. I didn't.
Speaker 6: I didn't.
Speaker 2: I didn't look right at it. Jeez, cold blooded.
Speaker 4: Ten and a half point favorites was what the last
Speaker 4: line I saw that the Cowboys are favored by over
Speaker 4: the Carolina Panthers.
Speaker 2: This game is in Charlotte.
Speaker 4: The Cowboys obviously play so much better at home, so
Speaker 4: the game is on the road in North Carolina, outside
Speaker 4: on grass.
Speaker 2: This is a bad.
Speaker 4: Football team with a bad coach and a quarterback who
Speaker 4: has no help.
Speaker 2: Ten and a half points sounds about right. Yeah, they
Speaker 2: better than New York, They better than Giants.
Speaker 5: Truth, they got a first round at you know, first
Speaker 5: you know at their quarterback. They still got Adam Thieling.
Speaker 5: Like guys who have been around the league a little bit.
Speaker 5: They're not a good team. For what we've seen against
Speaker 5: the New York Giants.
Speaker 2: Don't do it. But we're seen against the New York Giants.
Speaker 3: That was That's probably the worst you're going to see
Speaker 3: throughout in the NFL season. Carolina Panthers are better. Still
Speaker 3: not a good team, but you know, not worried. Well, look, man,
Speaker 3: you said what I needed to hear. They're better than
Speaker 3: the New York Giants. So we got to bring our
Speaker 3: a game. Cuba, Cuba, Hubbard, God, Oklahoma State, No, no,
Speaker 3: big Tuba. All right, you're not You're not gonna get us,
Speaker 3: So don't even working.
Speaker 2: You're coming back again. No, no, no, that's not what
Speaker 2: I said.
Speaker 3: Before this even started, we were talking about the season
Speaker 3: and I said, look, the Cowboys right now need to
Speaker 3: go on about a five game win stream.
Speaker 2: We need And the thing is, look.
Speaker 3: Don't peak at this at the wrong time, but still
Speaker 3: at this point in the season, we need to We
Speaker 3: need to really etch out some games, especially any of
Speaker 3: the games to start with the NFC team, all right,
Speaker 3: because I personally want us to have a home playoff game,
Speaker 3: So that's that's important for getting this victory is definitely important.
Speaker 3: We wouldn't need either Philly to get the first round
Speaker 3: about or win the n C eas yes, for that
Speaker 3: to happen. Yeah, yeah, we know we definitely yeah, and
Speaker 3: definitely need to be Philly. Like you could either hope
Speaker 3: for them to win the rest of their games or
Speaker 3: hope for them, but they at this stretch. If you
Speaker 3: look at Philly in it and what they have coming up, man,
Speaker 3: I mean Kansas City Monday night, that's gonna be everybody
Speaker 3: to that. But they got some real tough games coming up.
Speaker 2: Show got your boy dust coming up as over there.
Speaker 2: I told you, I've been saying it from the beginning.
Speaker 3: I've been saying you, Josh Allen, and finally you know,
Speaker 3: it just started playing out. But it's youall fault, man
Speaker 3: for y'all putting the gun slinger, all the gun slinger,
Speaker 3: not y'all, but not not y'all, not y'all, not y'all personally,
Speaker 3: but the media types fault for giving him that.
Speaker 2: Oh he's johall, he's a gunch slinger. You know, he's
Speaker 2: been a big arm he's so athletic.
Speaker 3: He started believing the hype and you see him going there,
Speaker 3: turn that ball over. Nobody talked giving him the same
Speaker 3: attention that they was giving My man ready to go
Speaker 3: to Prescott. So don't forget, Okay, the beginning of the season,
Speaker 3: we all picked against Pixie, doesn't you? And you picked him?
Speaker 3: I forgot what game that was. He was like, yeah,
Speaker 3: he was like, I told y'all, I told you from
Speaker 3: the beginning.
Speaker 2: It's okay. He was right.
Speaker 4: He's eleven interceptions for Josh Allen and uh, the head
Speaker 4: coaches fired the offensive coordinator.
Speaker 2: So it's Ken.
Speaker 5: Dorsey and can Ken do you listen? Can we just
Speaker 5: can we talk about some of the stuff that happened
Speaker 5: in the.
Speaker 2: Game last night?
Speaker 5: Started with how the heck do you have twelve men
Speaker 5: on the field when you know they about the kick
Speaker 5: a field go? And it was MUTI people counting guy
Speaker 5: on there was counting the special team guys.
Speaker 2: The head coach was counting. Still had why are.
Speaker 3: You even why are you even running them dudes after
Speaker 3: like these dudes that took two knees make no sense.
Speaker 2: It took you got twelve guys on the field. You
Speaker 2: know it's about to come, you know it's about to happen.
Speaker 3: And on top of that, man, how about the holder
Speaker 3: and and the and the field goal kicker to begin
Speaker 3: with that already missed it.
Speaker 2: Yeah, they already watched it.
Speaker 3: And then he missed that one in the twelve the
Speaker 3: twelve men on the field gave them another opportunity. That
Speaker 3: to me is everybody's waking up this morning to talk
Speaker 3: about Sean Payne and he's fixed Russell Wilson and all,
Speaker 3: come on.
Speaker 2: Now, they tried to lose that. They almost threw that away.
Speaker 3: I was thrown away And that was probably one of
Speaker 3: the better performances that I've seen from Russell Wilson from
Speaker 3: all the dirt that he threw, people thrown on that
Speaker 3: that ball that he threw in the corner of the
Speaker 3: end zone, that was vintage Russ. He got eighteen of
Speaker 3: the things this season. Yeah, eighteen tons this season. Man,
Speaker 3: Russell Wilson cooking.
Speaker 2: Us cook Now I'm saying that he's back in the kitchen.
Speaker 3: Defensively, that is a that is a hard play to guard.
Speaker 3: Zero coverage under thrown ball. My man got his head
Speaker 3: turned around and everything like, it's almost is it possible
Speaker 3: for you to do it unless you just run.
Speaker 5: On zero In that situation they sacked on the first time.
Speaker 5: You're thinking Russell Wilson still back to back. It's a
Speaker 5: veteran guy. You know, you forgot the defensive court. The
Speaker 5: almost got fired this morning.
Speaker 2: Head coach.
Speaker 3: Everybody, everybody, bye, yeah, shout out to the broncause they
Speaker 3: want with hey Man, Russ is back, wavy, the stock
Speaker 3: going the stock price going up in the world.
Speaker 4: But yes, the offensive coordinator has been fired by the
Speaker 4: head coach. Ken Dorsey got some people saying, well, he's
Speaker 4: not the same without Brian dave Ball. There's a lot
Speaker 4: of there's a lot of people who are making excuses.
Speaker 2: For Josh Allen.
Speaker 4: And and one of my favorite guys is Pete Prisco
Speaker 4: over CBS. Chris I was calling clients. Josh Allen is
Speaker 4: one of his clients. It's like, look, client, not getting done.
Speaker 4: I love the picks this year, your client last night.
Speaker 4: Just once again, because he's josh An, he's getting the excuses.
Speaker 2: If it's the cowboy quarterback, he's getting toasted. And I
Speaker 2: don't know.
Speaker 4: I don't watch first I don't watch the Bag show,
Speaker 4: so you all had to tell me, but they do.
Speaker 4: I have a Josh Allen segment, Trevor Lare segment. I mean,
Speaker 4: you got some guys out here not getting it done,
Speaker 4: and these dudes just skate on by and then they
Speaker 4: gonna have a whole segment on Dad.
Speaker 2: I forgot what it was. Clarence Hill tweeted it out there.
Speaker 4: It was some old whole Dax segment, like some click
Speaker 4: some more clickbait stuff, and I just look, I get it,
Speaker 4: I get it, but it's just it's really wild up
Speaker 4: who we choose to condemn and.
Speaker 2: Who we choose to forget. Yeah, it's crazy.
Speaker 3: I did see a segment this morning saying that Dak
Speaker 3: Press got the best quarterback in the NFL. I've seen
Speaker 3: a couple of those this morning, so you know, I
Speaker 3: just want.
Speaker 4: Wow, I'm just trying, like, why would some other than
Speaker 4: just let's start this part of me?
Speaker 2: Come on? I said, I don't know.
Speaker 3: I thought they gave some good props over the last
Speaker 3: four games the man been falling, even having hell even
Speaker 3: have a hell of a year for the last For
Speaker 3: the last four games the dude has played.
Speaker 2: He's done it.
Speaker 4: But the whole you know, when I see this is
Speaker 4: just me. When I see stuff like that, I know
Speaker 4: it's contrive just just being in TV knowing how this works,
Speaker 4: and hey, guys, let's do this so we can start something.
Speaker 4: I mean, it's Patrick Mahomes right here in the category
Speaker 4: and then everybody else is just outside.
Speaker 2: Of that category. Agree, And I don't believe. I don't
Speaker 2: agree with that.
Speaker 5: You think Pat Mahomes, No, I'm just saying I don't
Speaker 5: think he don't think he just out in his own category.
Speaker 3: Yeah, his body at work is what it is. But
Speaker 3: I think you got some guys this season who are
Speaker 3: playing really, really good football to where it's not just
Speaker 3: Patrick Mahomes on his own. It's a bunch of guys
Speaker 3: who I say, Man, who do I want to get
Speaker 3: the ball to at the end of the game. It's
Speaker 3: I have I have options when in the past is like,
Speaker 3: I don't know if I got that many options this year. Like,
Speaker 3: I'm looking at some guys. I'm saying, I don't know.
Speaker 3: That's I don't think I can lose with this group. Okay,
Speaker 3: I'm sorry ahead, No, No, I'm listening my my thing.
Speaker 2: And looking at Patrick Mahomes is what's around him.
Speaker 4: Outside of Kelsey. Those receivers are terrible. I mean it's
Speaker 4: so bad. They like traded for Valdez, Like, hey man, hey.
Speaker 2: Man, we need you back. We didn't need you, but
Speaker 2: we so bad we need you back.
Speaker 4: And it was it Cadarius Tony who dropped ten million
Speaker 4: balls and lost the first game.
Speaker 2: I mean this. We thought Dak's weapons were bad last year.
Speaker 4: I mean the weapons he's throwing to a kansasity and
Speaker 4: still winning games.
Speaker 2: But he's been winning with guys like that.
Speaker 3: And let's not act like he's had that that number
Speaker 3: one big time receiver ever and I mean, he's okay.
Speaker 8: Hit.
Speaker 2: But what I'm saying is we saw him who do
Speaker 2: you win with? Last year? You know, who do you win?
Speaker 3: He won a super Bowl last year with a bunch
Speaker 3: of no name guys, and so I think as he's
Speaker 3: done that, his reputation has just risen. When it comes
Speaker 3: down to Josh Allen, it's been the expectation put on
Speaker 3: him by other people that have said that, oh he's elite,
Speaker 3: he's in this. It's like Herbert, a guy that is
Speaker 3: a great quarterback.
Speaker 2: At what he does.
Speaker 3: It throws it, he makes, but he hadn't won. He
Speaker 3: didn't want anything. Okay, yeah, but wait.
Speaker 2: Nothing great talent, great talent, great talent, talent.
Speaker 3: But what I'm saying they changed overtime rules because of
Speaker 3: Josh Allen, because he didn't get he didn't.
Speaker 2: Get an opportunity. He had a hell of a game
Speaker 2: he had. He had an incredible game.
Speaker 3: And I think but besides that, the rules have been
Speaker 3: in place that way for a reason. When it comes
Speaker 3: to Dak, Dak is having a as good as any
Speaker 3: of these quarterbacks, just playing within himself.
Speaker 2: He's not turning the ball over at an alarming rate.
Speaker 2: He hadn't.
Speaker 3: I'm sure you wouldn't wouldn't say that. He's getting all
Speaker 3: of his wide receivers involved, so there's more that he
Speaker 3: can do. But he's not being reckless. He's not trying
Speaker 3: to play outside of himself. And when I start hearing
Speaker 3: people say, well that's going to be you know, he
Speaker 3: should be in the MVP race, and it makes me
Speaker 3: cringe because I don't want him to start believing the hypening.
Speaker 2: I want him to start contie, to play.
Speaker 3: Within himself, play smart football, ball control all of those
Speaker 3: things that makes him who he is.
Speaker 2: So I think Josh Allen is a.
Speaker 3: Victim of that, you know, listening to too many people, Yeah,
Speaker 3: getting too overhype and just being careless with the football.
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Speaker 4: Danny McCrae had had to jump out, but I'm glad
Speaker 4: we got to spend that quality time.
Speaker 2: Even though it was short quality time, he had rolled
Speaker 2: on out, roll out. Wow. So Tony Pollard, let's let's
Speaker 2: gave in a TP here. So the.
Speaker 4: Thing they told us until last year was Tony Pollard
Speaker 4: and Ezekiel Elliott.
Speaker 2: These guys are great one two punch.
Speaker 4: The best thing about Tony is that he's got zeke
Speaker 4: thing and that he provides that lightning. And when Skip
Speaker 4: Pete was a running backs coach, it was like, hey,
Speaker 4: look you want to the change of pace is great.
Speaker 2: So they don't.
Speaker 4: They don't bring back Ezekiel Elliott. They say, Tony Pott,
Speaker 4: you're the guy you need to start. He's now got
Speaker 4: just one one hundred yard game, and that was Arizona
Speaker 4: Week three, one hundred and twenty two yards. His output
Speaker 4: since that time has been interesting. Against the Patriots, a
Speaker 4: game the Cowboys won thirty eight to three, he had
Speaker 4: forty seven yards on eleven carries. And the Niners loss,
Speaker 4: he had eight carries for twenty nine yards. And the
Speaker 4: win at LA against the Charge, he had fifteen carries
Speaker 4: for thirty yards. Against the Rams, a forty three to
Speaker 4: twenty win, he had twelve carries for fifty three yards
Speaker 4: against Philadelphia and the lost twelve carries fifty one yards,
Speaker 4: and then last week against the New York Giants at home, fifteen.
Speaker 2: Carries fifty five yards.
Speaker 4: So we're looking at one hundred and thirty five totes
Speaker 4: this year for five hundred and twenty nine yards, and
Speaker 4: that's an average of three point nine, something that none
Speaker 4: of us were expecting from Tony Pollard.
Speaker 2: Heck, what do you think is going on here? Well,
Speaker 2: I'm gonna tell you, Nuie, I was expecting that.
Speaker 3: I thought that if you were not going to go
Speaker 3: out and at least draft a running back in those
Speaker 3: first couple of rounds or make a trade at the
Speaker 3: trade deadline for a running back, that you would be
Speaker 3: in a position with a guy like Tony Poller where
Speaker 3: you didn't know at this point in the season what
Speaker 3: he was going to be. He had never been your
Speaker 3: full time running back, and the change of pace, well,
Speaker 3: however you want to categorize him, he was the guy
Speaker 3: that was able to come and clean up after Ezekiel
Speaker 3: Elliott had already done all the tough work. And I mean,
Speaker 3: I'm one of those people, man, I do not like
Speaker 3: talking bad about someone. To talk good about somebody else.
Speaker 3: You know, I don't like that, But what I am
Speaker 3: saying is that I felt this. Though it was premature
Speaker 3: to say, all right, well we can get rid of
Speaker 3: Zeke and he can be my full time guy if
Speaker 3: we had no time consistency, I proved that he could
Speaker 3: actually do that. So at five point twenty nine, right now,
Speaker 3: I'm looking at Rico Daldo with two hundred and twelve
Speaker 3: yards and saying, Okay, I'm just combining these two guys
Speaker 3: to say our running back has seven hundred yards.
Speaker 2: Running back room has seven hundred yards.
Speaker 3: Because the expectation for Tony Poller should have been that
Speaker 3: he he is going to be a fifteen to eighteen
Speaker 3: carry guy.
Speaker 2: He's not a twenty five twenty eight carry a game guy.
Speaker 3: So if you did that, if you started the season
Speaker 3: with him on that kind of workload, he probably be
Speaker 3: hurt right now. So look, I think for Mike McCarthy
Speaker 3: being able to use him, diversify him like we do
Speaker 3: with our defensive guys, their hybrid. We know that he
Speaker 3: is as good as a receiver as he is as
Speaker 3: a running back. So as we're talking about him and
Speaker 3: what he's not as a running back, let's also include
Speaker 3: what he is as a receiver, so that's what makes
Speaker 3: him special, and also including ric o'dado in that conversation
Speaker 3: to spell him and also have that balance of thunder
Speaker 3: and lightning as a running back.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean we see this, you know, all the time.
Speaker 5: And Tako with Skip Pete Skip Pete last year, he
Speaker 5: would always reco remind us that it's.
Speaker 2: Not just a bell cow back anymore.
Speaker 5: You don't have to have that one guy that gets
Speaker 5: every down carries he's gonna get over, you know, three
Speaker 5: hundred some carries like that. The last guy that did
Speaker 5: something like that was probably, you know, Derrick Henry. When
Speaker 5: you talk to Skip Beat, he talked about all the
Speaker 5: way back into his Raiders' days when it was Charlie
Speaker 5: Garner and was Zach Crockett I believe maybe was out
Speaker 5: there or Tarro Red that's what it was. Yeah, So
Speaker 5: you always had that kind of thunder and lightning situation
Speaker 5: going on, and that's when I feel like you get
Speaker 5: the most how to Tony Pollard, when you have that
Speaker 5: guy that can tender rise the defense and let him
Speaker 5: come in and do his explosive stuff. But to me,
Speaker 5: we're not even seeing the same type of carries that
Speaker 5: Tony Poller saw last year. When I say carries, I'm
Speaker 5: talking about being a threat to the outside, getting those
Speaker 5: flip plays to the outside, tosses to the outside. We're
Speaker 5: seeing them using him kind of in that tender rising role,
Speaker 5: which is not into my opinion, is not in his
Speaker 5: strong suit. When you're running them up the gut for
Speaker 5: three yards in a cloud of dust, you're not gonna
Speaker 5: get much out of Tony Pollard.
Speaker 4: Is this a situation and something you you you have
Speaker 4: kind of touched on before. Is this Felix Jones?
Speaker 2: I would I mean we were I was there. I
Speaker 2: was there when that whole situation went down.
Speaker 5: When when Felix Jones had that breakout year behind Marion
Speaker 5: Barber and the next year come in and they thought,
Speaker 5: all right, we can this can be the this can
Speaker 5: be that guy, this can be the or lead dog
Speaker 5: every down back. And I would say it was a
Speaker 5: little bit different because Felix had a little bit of,
Speaker 5: you know, off the field issues that kind of hurt
Speaker 5: his game overall. And I think he could have been
Speaker 5: a much better back if it wasn't for that. But
Speaker 5: the situation remains the same. When you talk about the
Speaker 5: production level. You know when once he became that main
Speaker 5: feature back, you saw his production go way down. And
Speaker 5: I'm with you heck on this when you talk about
Speaker 5: Tony Poler. There's more than one way to use them.
Speaker 5: You don't have to just you know, barrel them in
Speaker 5: the middle or even toss some players on the outside.
Speaker 5: He's been known to be a bona fide receiving back
Speaker 5: out of the backfield.
Speaker 2: We saw instances last.
Speaker 5: Year we're against Minnesota where he's taking wheel rodes up
Speaker 5: the sidelines. He can be an explosive playmaker, not just
Speaker 5: a running back, but they don't seem to use him
Speaker 5: that way as of late. It's let me get hit
Speaker 5: you up the gut a couple of times, and then
Speaker 5: we may feature you something on the outside here and there.
Speaker 5: But he's not getting these receptions these screens, and I
Speaker 5: think he's too explosive of a player to leave that.
Speaker 2: Part of his game out of it.
Speaker 3: And Mike McCarthy's too good of a coach to not
Speaker 3: be able to get the best out of him. One
Speaker 3: of the things that I've admired are really like about
Speaker 3: Mike is he'll take a player and say, Okay, what
Speaker 3: is your skill set, and what do you do best.
Speaker 3: Let's use you at that. I'm not trying to make
Speaker 3: you do something that I've never seen you do, and
Speaker 3: you can't do it. Look like you said in between
Speaker 3: the tackles, I don't. It's not the three yards in
Speaker 3: the cloud of dust that bothers me. It's the fact
Speaker 3: that as he goes it seems that he's wearing down.
Speaker 3: He's not getting stronger. And we're used to seeing a
Speaker 3: guy in zeke In at twenty sixteen, seventeen eighteen, as
Speaker 3: the game got going, he got stronger, and that's not
Speaker 3: who Tony Pollard is. And I think by mixing in
Speaker 3: Rico Dowdell earlier and often, you're gonna see the best
Speaker 3: of Tony Pollard. I think what people stuck in people's
Speaker 3: head is what he's making. He making ten million dollars,
Speaker 3: so he's the guy that's got to be out there
Speaker 3: because he's being paid the most. But that's not smart.
Speaker 3: That's not smart in a football Since go back to
Speaker 3: the Philadelphia game. We got out of that game because
Speaker 3: we could not control the line of scrimmage, we could
Speaker 3: not run the ball. They were not threatened by a
Speaker 3: run at all. Once you become one dimensional, you're dead
Speaker 3: in the water. I don't care what league you're in.
Speaker 3: And the Dallas Cowboys have to be able to establish
Speaker 3: the run like they did last week versus New York,
Speaker 3: but it was with two guys, and so I'm saying
Speaker 3: the same thing. Use him like that and don't feel
Speaker 3: any kind of way. And Tony Poler shouldn't feel any
Speaker 3: kind of way if he finishes with twelve carries sixty yards.
Speaker 4: Carolina game coming up here, and maybe that's another area
Speaker 4: they look to touch on. Last week it was Brandon Cook,
Speaker 4: so maybe this week and Rico Daddle got a little
Speaker 4: bit in there, so maybe they go in more into
Speaker 4: the whole. Tony Pollard, Rico o'daddle, how do you get
Speaker 4: this running game going up a little bit better? As
Speaker 4: you start to think about here comes Washington on Thanksgiving Day,
Speaker 4: Seattle after that, and you get towards Philadelphia. All right,
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Speaker 4: Goodwin is gonna be out for the year and that
Speaker 4: Layton vander esh is going to miss the rest of
Speaker 4: the season with the neck injury, and there are reports
Speaker 4: saying that his career threatening. So we haven't heard anything
Speaker 4: official from the Cowboys yet, but that is what the
Speaker 4: reports are saying here.
Speaker 2: And when it comes to Layton Vanderresh, this has been something.
Speaker 4: That people have spoken about for a long time that
Speaker 4: you know what, it's got next issues?
Speaker 2: How long is he going to play?
Speaker 4: And Okay, if if this is you know, career threatening,
Speaker 4: and you know he's got he's got a baby daughter.
Speaker 4: Now he's got daughter's coming coming in January February. Because
Speaker 4: I talked to his wife and tren Camp then they
Speaker 4: get out. Yeah you know, I mean that's just me
Speaker 4: being around Lighton and liking him that.
Speaker 5: Man.
Speaker 4: If this if it's another next thing and they're saying
Speaker 4: it's potentially career man, go ahead to go to the house.
Speaker 2: Call it a wrap.
Speaker 4: You have done some good stuff in a cowboy uniform,
Speaker 4: but man, go be there for your kid and your
Speaker 4: wife and enjoy life.
Speaker 2: Man. Yeah, I'm with you one hundred percent on that.
Speaker 2: Newly just you know, depending on what the severity of
Speaker 2: the injury is.
Speaker 5: He already had you know, neck issues coming out of college,
Speaker 5: I believe, so when you reaggravate something like that, that's
Speaker 5: just something you don't want to mess around with. You know,
Speaker 5: this isn't a you know, a torn aca or even
Speaker 5: an achilles or something like that.
Speaker 2: This is a knack man. I have ramifications for the
Speaker 2: rest of your body.
Speaker 5: So I know it's tough because as a football player,
Speaker 5: you've been doing it your entire life and it's something
Speaker 5: that's you know, been scheduled in programmed.
Speaker 2: Then you to where you're always on the schedule with it.
Speaker 5: But when it comes to football, this is what I
Speaker 5: got to do in the fall, well, it just got
Speaker 5: to do in the spring and summertime. I gotta get
Speaker 5: ready for football. It's just, you know, program to be
Speaker 5: second nature, and so it's kind of hard to walk
Speaker 5: away from something like that. But you know, when you're
Speaker 5: dealing with an injury like this, if it's as bad
Speaker 5: as you know they say, as far as career threatening,
Speaker 5: the only advice I'd have to give to him is,
Speaker 5: I mean.
Speaker 2: You got to think of you about your family.
Speaker 5: You know, you don't want to go in there, and
Speaker 5: you know God forbid, but you know, something else happened
Speaker 5: and you're walking over in a wheelchair for the rest
Speaker 5: of your life or something like that.
Speaker 2: You do not want to deal with that.
Speaker 5: So just you know, you gotta you gotta gotta think
Speaker 5: about your family when when it comes to these type
Speaker 5: of injuries.
Speaker 2: Man, it's tough.
Speaker 3: So b C I I I completely agree with you,
Speaker 3: and you know we're Hall of Fame. Boxing trainer Teddy
Speaker 3: Atlas once said, you don't you don't play Uh, you
Speaker 3: don't play boxing. You know it's it's you know how
Speaker 3: dangerous the sport is. And that's the same in football.
Speaker 3: It comes with the territory. And that's why you know
Speaker 3: when people question these guys, it's so easy to sit
Speaker 3: on your phone and say something reckless on Twitter or
Speaker 3: social media. Question God's heart and integrity. Uh, but God's
Speaker 3: put it on the line to play this sport. And
Speaker 3: one of my favorite football players all time, not only
Speaker 3: my uncle, but Michael Irvin, when his career was cut
Speaker 3: short by a neck injury. You know those things like
Speaker 3: you look at guys like that that are larger than life,
Speaker 3: and you you think that they can overcome anything. And
Speaker 3: then when you when you hear them say I can't
Speaker 3: go any farther, it's because you know all the signs
Speaker 3: have been given to them and told that you can't,
Speaker 3: you can't do it anymore, and you know, Layton, like
Speaker 3: you said, having the neck injury in college, overcoming that,
Speaker 3: playing with that injury even in the pros, and having
Speaker 3: this happen to him this year when he worked so
Speaker 3: dang hard to be the guy that he was, I mean,
Speaker 3: having a good year, had a great year last year
Speaker 3: as well being one of the anchors on this defense.
Speaker 3: We needed him as a linebacker to be what he was.
Speaker 3: And if this is indeed his his the final for
Speaker 3: him in his career, He's had a hell of a career.
Speaker 3: He's had a hell of a career. He's a hell
Speaker 3: of a player for the Dallas Cowboys. And you know,
Speaker 3: nothing but great things to say about Layton. But Nick
Speaker 3: Eatman walks in and you nothing but great things to
Speaker 3: say about.
Speaker 6: The man right here? Yeah right, no, no, no, yeah, yeah, yes,
Speaker 6: see the chair. Yeah yeah.
Speaker 7: You know, when you make a mistake, you got to
Speaker 7: come in there and you got to make a change.
Speaker 2: Right, you know what mistake did you make?
Speaker 13: Me know, I'm just saying, you know, if they say
Speaker 13: let's go, you know, receiver by committee in twenty eighteen
Speaker 13: and it doesn't work.
Speaker 7: You gotta go trade for Mari, right, you gotta do Yeah. Yeah,
Speaker 7: So when we were doing the top jersey numbers by
Speaker 7: the Cowboys, you know, and we we we I say we.
Speaker 2: You know, we had committee. You know, you cheer.
Speaker 13: Randy I mean Charlie Waters. And then forty two, you
Speaker 13: know we had Randy Hughes. But we we have made
Speaker 13: a change it. Uh, you know what, we've made a change.
Speaker 13: Here we go, you know now after forty two, until
Speaker 13: Duh starts to making plays, and then we might make changes.
Speaker 2: But for now, for now, I just want you to know,
Speaker 2: and heck you can.
Speaker 7: I've been hearing it upstairs.
Speaker 2: So he doesn't want it. Oh, he doesn't want to
Speaker 2: You said it was it was like two or three, right,
Speaker 2: you didn't want it, that was it. That wasn't my
Speaker 2: heated stake. It was in my heated stake, and it
Speaker 2: was just it was a lot going on. Yeah, you
Speaker 2: were emotional, bro. This is like my dad.
Speaker 7: You know, you wanted you want me to put hamdbrick
Speaker 7: up there or not trying to.
Speaker 2: Get that foe too right there. That's that's that's where
Speaker 2: I need to be at. That's that's where I should
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Speaker 7: The seventeen starts radio?
Speaker 5: So he starts seventeen and nine pictures good, seventeen starts,
Speaker 5: that's good, But seventeen up against seventy seven?
Speaker 7: Did you didn't watch him play Randy Hughes back in
Speaker 7: the day that.
Speaker 4: Was way before your I just knew who he was
Speaker 4: watching film and just seeing him in the in the background.
Speaker 13: He was like the Charlie Waters and Cliff Harrison starters,
Speaker 13: and he played He played a lot of nickel guys.
Speaker 7: Yeah, would start Okay.
Speaker 2: Man, I appreciate that. I appreciate we made a mistake.
Speaker 2: There is a lot to me. I mean, thank Dallas.
Speaker 7: You know the empty chair and I was like, whoa, whoa,
Speaker 7: where Danny.
Speaker 4: At this point in time, emergency after this, we can't
Speaker 4: do nothing that it will go in the show right
Speaker 4: forty no, no, no, no, this is the perfect.
Speaker 2: Stop forty two. That's the perfect time to show.
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