Speaker 1: Think it's important to say. The reason I'm telling you
Speaker 1: this is because I love you. I don't want those
Speaker 1: secrets from you, and I would rather, in the short term,
Speaker 1: have there be this pain and this disconnect because that pain,
Speaker 1: in this disconnect is a roadway to a broader conversation.
Speaker 1: It's gonna help us both understand each other better.
Speaker 2: You know what. This is a safe space to talk
Speaker 2: about relationships, love and sex. Now, let me tell you
Speaker 2: something messy. So there is a little different messy thing,
Speaker 2: which is that McDonald's has a hash brown mcflurry secret
Speaker 2: menu item that's going viral. Have you heard about this?
Speaker 2: It's like the photo that I'm staring at is disturbing
Speaker 2: and also intriguing. It's two hash browns and in between
Speaker 2: it's like an oreo mcflurry, like like just scooped up
Speaker 2: in the middle of it. And I guess what I'd
Speaker 2: like to say is, will somebody try it for me?
Speaker 2: Because my guts are gurgling looking at this photo. And
Speaker 2: as you famously know me and McDonald's, we do not
Speaker 2: we listen. I love the McDonald's fries. It's one of
Speaker 2: my favorite french fries. Of the McDonald fries but I
Speaker 2: can't fuck with anything McDonald's because it makes my stomach gurgle,
Speaker 2: so I'll never be able to endorse them. But this
Speaker 2: hash brown mcflurry secret menu, I don't know if it's
Speaker 2: just stay a secret or if it like if it
Speaker 2: maybe will slap like what is the feeling of potatoes
Speaker 2: with like ice cream and oreo? Well, I guess it's
Speaker 2: similar to like Wendy's. Y'all ever do the thing? Do
Speaker 2: y'all still do this? I don't know because I haven't
Speaker 2: been in forever. Like Wendy's makes a frosty and then
Speaker 2: you dip it with the French fry. That used to
Speaker 2: be a vibe. I would only do with the chocolate frosty.
Speaker 2: And I'm not even a chocolate gurly, but the Wendy's
Speaker 2: chocolate frosty I could fuck with a little bit more
Speaker 2: than just a regular chocolate. But I've never thought about
Speaker 2: like these hash browns. Y'all know the McDonald's hash browns.
Speaker 2: They're thick, and I can't imagine that a sandwich because
Speaker 2: they hash browns are also breakfast. So for you to
Speaker 2: start your morning with two hash browns wedged with some
Speaker 2: mcflurry in between ice cream. That's a crazy breakfast, but
Speaker 2: it also might be a perfect breakfast. I can't tell
Speaker 2: if I like this or I hate this, you know,
Speaker 2: can I also say this? I don't know if they
Speaker 2: still make it. Y'all have to tell me. McDonald's makes
Speaker 2: some of the best Mozzarelli sticks. There was this one
Speaker 2: McDonald's downtown. Maybe I've told you about this because I
Speaker 2: love it so much, Downtown New York because I used
Speaker 2: to live in when I was going to the dorms,
Speaker 2: lived in the dorms a water street, and so after
Speaker 2: a late night we would go me and my room
Speaker 2: would go to McDonald's and they were the only McDonald's
Speaker 2: that I knew that had the mozzarella sticks. And they
Speaker 2: were tiny. They were like they were like little chodes,
Speaker 2: so they were like shortened fat baby them. Monzareli sticks
Speaker 2: would hit some McDonald's do. I don't know if they
Speaker 2: still do this, because again I haven't been forever. Would
Speaker 2: have like like vegetarian menu options, like they had a
Speaker 2: garden burger, the mcgarden. Am I making this up? They
Speaker 2: had a mcgarden burger, I think, which if I remember correctly,
Speaker 2: also slapt because there was a period in my life
Speaker 2: where I was a vegetarian. It was from ages like
Speaker 2: eight to like eleven or something. But my doctor said
Speaker 2: I had to eat meat because I wasn't getting a
Speaker 2: protein intake. Because it turns out I'm giving too much
Speaker 2: information for here, it is I'm allergic to beans, soy
Speaker 2: and seafood. So just like the vegetarian thing wasn't working
Speaker 2: for me. Uh and I would not be my six
Speaker 2: one self if my doctor hadn't stuffed done. I guess
Speaker 2: I don't know, But back to this, what is this opening?
Speaker 2: But I just, I just I want you to look
Speaker 2: up the McDonald's hash brown mcflurry and tell me if
Speaker 2: you think that this is something that you would try.
Speaker 2: Is it appealing or is it just straight up nasty?
Speaker 2: It might be so nasty that it's appealing. Do you
Speaker 2: know what I'm talking about? Do you know when things
Speaker 2: look just so nasty that you're like, but it actually
Speaker 2: is tasty. I'm coming up short on what I'm what
Speaker 2: what examples of that are? Oh you know what it
Speaker 2: might be. It's not for me. But my grandmother used
Speaker 2: to love a fish head, and I've heard that fish
Speaker 2: head is delicious, you know, even with the eyeballs, they'd
Speaker 2: be like sucking like. People love that shit, right, It's
Speaker 2: very cultural. You know, I'm Caribbean and they used to
Speaker 2: love it. To me as an American born, I looked
Speaker 2: at it and said, that's crazy grammar. You can't eat
Speaker 2: nemo like that, that's insane. But she loved it, and
Speaker 2: people love it. It's a delicacy.
Speaker 3: So I'm not.
Speaker 2: Comparing fish head to McDonald's hash brown because at least,
Speaker 2: you know, a fish head feels like it's real food.
Speaker 2: These hash browns with the macflurry. Now, it's going on
Speaker 2: for too long, but I stay with me. Stay with me,
Speaker 2: and we'll get into the show. Do they call it
Speaker 2: a macflurry because they can't legally call it ice cream?
Speaker 2: I have questions because what is the mcflurry if not?
Speaker 2: I like, like a frosty, it's frosty. It's not ice cream, right,
Speaker 2: it's just a frosty. Is it mcflurry not ice cream?
Speaker 2: But it's just it's like, legally they can't call it
Speaker 2: ice cream because it doesn't have ice cream products in it.
Speaker 2: Or is it just their fancy name for it? Because
Speaker 2: as I'm talking about this and I'm looking at this photo.
Speaker 2: I really want to go to the bathroom like I
Speaker 2: can feel a booboo coming. Okay, I'm so sorry. By
Speaker 2: the way, welcome to the show. This is tell me something.
Speaker 2: See that was an unhinged, messy opening. I am your host,
Speaker 2: Brandon cah Goodmans. Some people call me messy mom, but
Speaker 2: you could call me mcmom Oh, come on, mcmommy. That's crazy.
Speaker 2: Please don't call me that, although that would be a
Speaker 2: cool you know Rick, Rona McDonald and mcmommy. Wow, Wow, listen.
Speaker 2: I may not be able to endorse McDonald's, but that
Speaker 2: would be a dope if I could, that would be
Speaker 2: a dope endorsement. Me meet mcmommy and Ronald McDonald together.
Speaker 2: I don't sorry, I can't date no clowns. I have though.
Speaker 2: Shout out to the clowns up dated who may listen
Speaker 2: to this podcast. I'm so sorry. Actually, before even bring
Speaker 2: the bell, we did a little research. Vincent, my producer,
Speaker 2: did a little research. It turns out that a mcflurry
Speaker 2: soft serve. Okay, so like I scream truck vibes work,
Speaker 2: but a frosty baby they just said it's a dairy product. Hey,
Speaker 2: that makes meur is what you mean? It's just a
Speaker 2: dairy product. Tell me more. So, all I'm saying is
Speaker 2: in the ice cream doesn't mean that dipping fries and
Speaker 2: it doesn't still slap. But this I'm sorry, I'm still
Speaker 2: looking at this hashbrow. It looks y'all google McDonald's hashbrow
Speaker 2: mcflury secret menu item. Okay, and then you tell me
Speaker 2: does it look even with the oriole I don't mean
Speaker 2: to be too graphic, but the picture is like an
Speaker 2: oreo mcflurry and the oreo bits is looking like what
Speaker 2: will be in your toilet. Okay, that's all I'm saying.
Speaker 2: That's all I'm saying.
Speaker 3: It looks like how you're it just okay?
Speaker 2: Now ring the bell? Now, ring the bell? Maybe you
Speaker 2: know what that means. It is time for our guess
Speaker 2: Now while they get situated and before we get our
Speaker 2: MESSI Kiki started, let me remind you that we are
Speaker 2: trying to get to two hundred and sixty ratings and
Speaker 2: reviews by the end of the month. So jimmy favor
Speaker 2: and rate review and subscribe to this podcast wherever you
Speaker 2: get your podcast. It really helps the show. And you know,
Speaker 2: when you write your review it don't have to be long.
Speaker 2: It could just be I love the show, I love
Speaker 2: Brandon MESSI his life, whatever it is, and give us
Speaker 2: this five star review. Honey, Okay, it really really really
Speaker 2: does help the show out. Okay. Now for our home manifesto,
Speaker 2: Grant me the serendity to unpack my shame, the courage
Speaker 2: to heal, the wisdom to know that sex is not
Speaker 2: about penetration, the audacity to advocate for my pleasure and boundaries.
Speaker 2: The strength to not call my ex that fuck boy,
Speaker 2: fuck girl, or fuck they. For it is better to
Speaker 2: masturbabe by myself in peace than to let someone play
Speaker 2: in my motherfucking face. Let the hommunity say ho helujah.
Speaker 2: I am so excited to have John Michael Bond on
Speaker 2: the show. Originally from Chattanooga, Tennessee, John Michael Bond is
Speaker 2: a comedian, writer, and photographer who specializes in finding light
Speaker 2: in dark times. His first album, in Special Cry Uncle,
Speaker 2: was released in twenty twenty four, hitting the top of
Speaker 2: the iTunes charts and getting sixty thousand views in its
Speaker 2: first month. He's featured for Sam Talent, Brandy Posey, Louis Kats,
Speaker 2: Kate Willett, and Doug Stanhope. Bond is also the former
Speaker 2: co host of the Who's Your God podcast alongside Amy
Speaker 2: Miller and Steve hernandez y'all please help me. Welcome to
Speaker 2: the show, John Michael, Well Bond, Hi, John Michael, Hello,
Speaker 2: thank you so much for having welcome to the show.
Speaker 3: That you're here.
Speaker 2: This is a real, real, absolute treat. So listen. It's
Speaker 2: always a treat to be talking about nasty things.
Speaker 1: I mean, for me, it's just a nice pay and
Speaker 1: change the pace because I usually get like people are like,
Speaker 1: can you talk about a movie on my podcast? Oh?
Speaker 3: Yeah? And I'm like, yeah, I visibly can talk about it.
Speaker 3: Like you look at me.
Speaker 2: You know, what's your movie? Do you talk about?
Speaker 3: You've got I usually go with that thing you do.
Speaker 2: Wait, that thing you do.
Speaker 1: It's a Tom Hanks movie about like a nineteen sixties
Speaker 1: rock band that like blows up.
Speaker 3: Oh one song and you will love it.
Speaker 2: Okay, that thing you do.
Speaker 3: Absolutely one of the most wonderful romantic comedies ever.
Speaker 2: Oh my god. My choice is always sister Ic Too obviously,
Speaker 2: oh incredible or First Wives Club. I love to talk
Speaker 2: about this two movies a lot. I recently was asked
Speaker 2: to talk about Legally Blonde, which was very exciting to
Speaker 2: revisit that movie, which I think they're making a TV show. Yeah,
Speaker 2: that's why I'm.
Speaker 3: It's like a prequel.
Speaker 2: I could be lying, but I'm pretty sure it could
Speaker 2: be fully lying, but I'm pretty sure they are. Hold on,
Speaker 2: before we get started, here are our messy mandates. Things
Speaker 2: get to be unprocessed. Any thoughts or opinion shared have
Speaker 2: the right to evolve, shift or change today, tomorrow, ten
Speaker 2: years from now. And if during the kiki something feels
Speaker 2: too personal or unintentionally offends, we use the safe for foosball,
Speaker 2: which gives us a chance to pause and address or
Speaker 2: pivot accordingly.
Speaker 3: Okayod I absolutely agreed all that.
Speaker 2: Yes, gorgeous. Okay. Shall we start with a lou breaker
Speaker 2: love it. We're gonna play a game of smash or pass. Okay,
Speaker 2: I'll give you a prompt. You'll tell me if you'll
Speaker 2: smash it or your pass. Okay, Okay, I'm gonna start
Speaker 2: very easy. Smash your pass, Sex on the beach, not
Speaker 2: to drink the actual thing.
Speaker 3: Yeah, pass pass.
Speaker 1: Here's foreplay on the beach. Absolutely, head on the beach
Speaker 1: incredible for either person, It's not. It depends I think that,
Speaker 1: like I think head on the beach is better if
Speaker 1: you have a dog, if you're if you're working with
Speaker 1: the vagina.
Speaker 3: I think that that just there's just too much.
Speaker 2: There's a lot of you don't I.
Speaker 1: Don't think anyone wants texture and oral like that's not
Speaker 1: there's a reason we say no teeth. And then the ocean,
Speaker 1: like the beach is just a million teeth all looking
Speaker 1: to cling, you know, and it's so good. Yeah.
Speaker 3: And also just like I mean, I I yeah, you've
Speaker 3: got yeah, So.
Speaker 2: Why does that work? Because are you under a towel?
Speaker 1: Like?
Speaker 2: Or is it a beach where that is allowed?
Speaker 3: I mean, I don't think there's a beach where it's allowed,
Speaker 3: but there are I need to be. I'm not.
Speaker 1: I've not been invited to the cool beach, but I've
Speaker 1: I grew up at the South where your parents were
Speaker 1: always home, so if you wanted to to screw around,
Speaker 1: you were doing it in a car by the lake.
Speaker 1: A certain point, you just learned that if no one's around,
Speaker 1: that's permission, you know, Like did I smoke pot behind
Speaker 1: my school?
Speaker 3: Did you see me?
Speaker 2: No?
Speaker 3: I didn't. The same is true for head on the Beach.
Speaker 2: Logic, logic, Yeah, yeah, work. Okay, somebody's putting it on
Speaker 2: a T shirt. Okay, So sex on the beach, we're smashed.
Speaker 2: We're not smashing head on the beach. Okay. I'm gonna
Speaker 2: also pass on sex on the beach because it's just
Speaker 2: too much. I don't love elements like that. There are
Speaker 2: too many elements. But I do love a makeout on
Speaker 2: the beach. It's the best, the best of the beach.
Speaker 3: So like you're you're you're making out, you're close to
Speaker 3: the water. The tide comes in, it splashes, you.
Speaker 2: Know, you get that little mermaid when that when this,
Speaker 2: when the water comes up behind the cliffs. Absolutely incredible,
Speaker 2: smasher pass being dombed.
Speaker 1: Oh smash absolutely yeah. Oh that's the best thing in
Speaker 1: the entire I'm on five eleven, which is uh. A
Speaker 1: lot of people think five eleven is not tall. Five
Speaker 1: eleven is very tall if you're attracted to people who
Speaker 1: are five six and blow so just be around shorties.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 3: But like I'm a big burly dude.
Speaker 1: I grew up very Baptist in the South, and my
Speaker 1: entire life I've been asked very much to be protected
Speaker 1: or like protector, to like walk people to their car. True,
Speaker 1: be the bigger man is the thing that you hear
Speaker 1: a lot, and like there aren't a lot of opportunities
Speaker 1: where you get to be small, and like being in
Speaker 1: a place where you're safe enough and free enough to
Speaker 1: just be little is the fucking hottest thing in the
Speaker 1: entire universe.
Speaker 2: You know.
Speaker 1: Yeah, downside of it, most people don't know how to spank,
Speaker 1: and see, well, what is the right way to spank?
Speaker 2: Do you think? Do you know?
Speaker 1: It's practice? You know, it's like, uh, it's it's like
Speaker 1: clapping on rhythm to a song.
Speaker 3: You have to learn.
Speaker 1: And sometimes the first time you go for a spank,
Speaker 1: h I think we've all experienced it where you just
Speaker 1: hit someone.
Speaker 3: Yeah, there's a difference.
Speaker 2: You hit the bone too, Yeah, you don't hit the meat.
Speaker 3: You got to come in a slight angle. You gotta
Speaker 3: leave some air.
Speaker 2: Yeah, Like it's you know, a flat handing it.
Speaker 1: I'm a flat hander. Yeah, but I also have like
Speaker 1: a I had a little intention in my palms, so
Speaker 1: like there's.
Speaker 2: A little there's a little cup, yeah, natural cup.
Speaker 3: And then God gave me a little curve, so come on,
Speaker 3: thank you.
Speaker 2: Got I got to praise him as absolutely I agree.
Speaker 2: I love being dumbed because I'm six' one and so
Speaker 2: always usually got to be the, bigger you, know, person
Speaker 2: and SO i really like when somebody wants to just
Speaker 2: tell me what to do and put the. PLACE i
Speaker 2: think also just like in, life you, know you're a,
Speaker 2: comedian you're like your business is run by, you and
Speaker 2: so a lot you're in charge a, lot And i'm
Speaker 2: in charge a, lot and SO i love WHEN i
Speaker 2: don't have to be in. Charge it's the it's the.
Speaker 1: Hottest well THEN i also like been in a long
Speaker 1: term relationship AND i had more experience going in so
Speaker 1: like for a lot of, IT i was very much, like,
Speaker 1: hey this is how we let's talk through, this let's
Speaker 1: read this, book let's do this. Guy AND i was
Speaker 1: like very much a leader in. It and being in
Speaker 1: a place WHERE i didn't have to do that was just,
Speaker 1: like oh my, god this is, heaven absolutely the, best
Speaker 1: and like it was it was the first TIME i.
Speaker 1: Did my wife never downed, me uh.
Speaker 3: Did she had no fucking idea what she was, doing
Speaker 3: and it hurt so.
Speaker 1: Bad but also it was kind of like there's something
Speaker 1: romantic about watching someone enthusiastically do something, poorly and you,
Speaker 1: know and like they, learn they, learn and then you're they're,
Speaker 1: like wait a, minute why are you supposed to have
Speaker 1: crop marks on you like?
Speaker 3: That And you're, like, no, No i'm.
Speaker 2: Not but we're exploring.
Speaker 1: Together but now there's a visual cue of when to,
Speaker 1: stop And i'm. Not you, KNOW i could take it,
Speaker 1: whatever let's go break me.
Speaker 3: DOWN i love.
Speaker 2: IT i love. It, okay smash your pass ballplay.
Speaker 1: Ballplay, absolutely, smash, yes but it requires so much. CONSIDERATION
Speaker 1: i want to know an advance ALMOST i. Don't i've
Speaker 1: never how DO i?
Speaker 3: Say ballplay doesn't come up enough in a boring.
Speaker 1: Day so like the time someone wants to play with your,
Speaker 1: balls you've been, dancing you've been, out And i'm just,
Speaker 1: like CAN i have ten minutes with some wet wipes or?
Speaker 2: Something, YEAH i JUST i.
Speaker 3: DON'T i want to present a fresh.
Speaker 2: Ball you, Know I'M i like a musky, ball not
Speaker 2: a musty yeah key musky. Ball yeah. Yeah SO i
Speaker 2: like a. DANCE i like a ball that's been in
Speaker 2: some underwear. Dancing, absolutely you.
Speaker 3: Don't want like a ball that's been to the office. Already, no, no, no, yeah, no,
Speaker 3: no you want to date the dance floor fresh and. Clean,
Speaker 3: yes and then you want yeah, no absolutely.
Speaker 2: Absolutely, agreed agreed that before you went, out you've been
Speaker 2: out all, day then you went to the dance. WORD
Speaker 2: i don't want those.
Speaker 3: Balls, yeah that's a very. Important, yeah, yeah there's a
Speaker 3: this is very.
Speaker 1: Gross BUT i think the rule for me technically would
Speaker 1: be IF i have farted at least once SINCE i
Speaker 1: got out of the.
Speaker 3: Shower, YEAH i don't want to share those balls with.
Speaker 2: YOU i love.
Speaker 3: THAT i think it's just a.
Speaker 2: Consideration that's.
Speaker 1: Consideration think about like you, know if you're, bottoming you
Speaker 1: think about your, diet you think about the things that you,
Speaker 1: consume and like part of that is goes into like
Speaker 1: whether you're going to do ball.
Speaker 3: Stuff you're, like all, right it WAS i considerate enough
Speaker 3: today to ask you to do? That DID i? Groom
Speaker 3: are you going to halfway through throw up because you've
Speaker 3: got a hair stuck in your?
Speaker 1: Throat and like we've all been, There but does it
Speaker 1: is it harder to keep the romance in that moment
Speaker 1: just a tiny?
Speaker 3: Bit so, like HAVE i been considered enough to deserve the?
Speaker 2: Balls? Yes but in your most divine, situation absolutely. SMASHED
Speaker 2: i would smash. Too it's new to. ME i remember
Speaker 2: years AGO i was in a steam room and somebody
Speaker 2: was sucking my dick and then he tapped my balls
Speaker 2: and it was the most interesting sensation BECAUSE i was,
Speaker 2: LIKE i thought it was supposed to be more painful
Speaker 2: BECAUSE i missed the, balls but it was actually quite.
Speaker 2: Pleasurable the pain of it was slightly. Pleasurable was it
Speaker 2: a side or a?
Speaker 3: Bottom it was a bottoms yeah.
Speaker 2: Aside oh, yeah that's. Interesting, yeah that feels like it'd
Speaker 2: be a little more, tender but the underneath very delicious
Speaker 2: and son, recently my partner AND i have started to
Speaker 2: play with, that like, pulling, tugging, tapping and it's been.
Speaker 2: Lovely i'm really gonna smell.
Speaker 1: IT i, mean, LIKE i think part of it depends
Speaker 1: on your partner's ability to uh like pat their stomach
Speaker 1: and their head at the same. Time, yes like it's
Speaker 1: there's A i don't feel like everyone has ambidextrays in
Speaker 1: the same. Way AND i think that sometimes people are
Speaker 1: stressed about it because they're, like, Well i'm gonna forget
Speaker 1: to stroke If i'm pulling, down or like it's it's
Speaker 1: like playing bop it and you just don't want to
Speaker 1: hit it on the.
Speaker 3: Head you know you hear the? Buzzer, yeah, yeah you
Speaker 3: don't want to heard him.
Speaker 2: Accidentally, yeah, yeah you gotta Be, yeah you gotta be
Speaker 2: gentle it robbe some, communication yeah for. Sure well you
Speaker 2: won the, game by the.
Speaker 3: Way oh hell, yeah yeah.
Speaker 2: You already you are going you, know you, know you,
Speaker 2: know bring my unconditional. Love. Yeah if you have messy,
Speaker 2: prompts you can email tell me something messy at gmail dot.
Speaker 2: Com speaking of, Which John, michael can you tell me something? Messy?
Speaker 1: Uh, YEAH i racked my brain, because, uh, MESSINESS i
Speaker 1: think takes many different.
Speaker 3: Forms for.
Speaker 1: ME a lot of it was just being like sad in,
Speaker 1: public and that's no. Good my wife AND i have
Speaker 1: been together for twenty two, years and when we moved
Speaker 1: To la it was the first time we lived in
Speaker 1: a city where everyone didn't know.
Speaker 2: Us which is so.
Speaker 1: Nice you grow up in The, south grew up a very, small,
Speaker 1: found very insular. Community we were everyone's mom and. Dad,
Speaker 1: yes so, like we never got a chance to be
Speaker 1: like slutty and fun because it would just have been
Speaker 1: the topic of conversation and that's no. Fun it's fun
Speaker 1: to be gossiped about small it's not fun to they're
Speaker 1: in the, town the whole.
Speaker 2: Town, no, no.
Speaker 1: No so when we moved, here we had a little
Speaker 1: bit of a slutty phase and we were on tender
Speaker 1: for the first time and trying to like find people
Speaker 1: to hook up. With and we made this incredible friend
Speaker 1: who still is a friend to this, day who's probably
Speaker 1: the person we hooked up with the.
Speaker 3: Most just an.
Speaker 1: Absolutely stunningly Beautiful African american woman with incredible taste in,
Speaker 1: gothrock just the just the sort of PERSON i dreamed
Speaker 1: about while listening To Marilyn manson as a, kid and
Speaker 1: like we looked up a bunch and like just became
Speaker 1: genuinely beautiful. Friends and one night she was, Like, hey
Speaker 1: do you want to go see The Smith's fits with?
Speaker 1: Us Smith's fits is A Misfits smith's cover. Band the
Speaker 1: singer dress is half As Glen danzig and half As.
Speaker 1: Morrissy this sounds like cut down the.
Speaker 3: Middle it was.
Speaker 1: Incredible she was, Like, hey my Sugar daddy is taking
Speaker 1: us out. Tonight he's gonna buy our other, Drinks he's
Speaker 1: getting us tickets to the. Show AND i was, Like
Speaker 1: i've never been treated.
Speaker 2: As a beautiful.
Speaker 3: Woman this is. Incredible you KNOW i would have live
Speaker 3: vicariously through someone else's.
Speaker 1: Beauty, Yeah and we went and her, boy her sugar,
Speaker 1: daddy was like this Like russian cryptoi or millionaire who
Speaker 1: was just a dick the entire.
Speaker 3: TIME i don't know how you have money and you're an.
Speaker 3: Asshole it really does make. Sense but that Night doge was.
Speaker 1: Crashing he was being punished by a bad, dog and
Speaker 1: he was losing shit tons of, money and he was
Speaker 1: being rude to. Everybody and she just kind of looked
Speaker 1: us and was, LIKE i Think i'm gonna break up with.
Speaker 1: Them do you guys want to go and? Fuck AND
Speaker 1: i was, like, ABSOLUTELY i think we.
Speaker 3: DO i find my.
Speaker 1: Wife we got in the car he paid for and drove,
Speaker 1: home had a fabulous, evening, Incredible like we never got
Speaker 1: to be like the. Fund you never had those experiences
Speaker 1: in college where you're, like, oh, NO i hooked up
Speaker 1: with this person and now it's gonna set my friend
Speaker 1: group on, fire WHICH i don't, recommend but it's sort of.
Speaker 3: NICE i think to have, those just to have the.
Speaker 1: Life, Yeah and in that one, MOMENT i was, like,
Speaker 1: MAN i got to do this and stick it to
Speaker 1: a millionaire at the same.
Speaker 3: Time Fucking i'm. Poor how often do you get to
Speaker 3: cock a.
Speaker 2: Rich guy that?
Speaker 3: Rules that's. INCREDIBLE i WISH i had facetimeed, him just
Speaker 3: be like. Here it was. Great we left while they
Speaker 3: played The smith Song How Soon Is? Now it was
Speaker 3: very PO i love.
Speaker 2: THAT i Think i'm gonna breakup with. Him do you
Speaker 2: want to go? Fun that's just the.
Speaker 1: POWER i have a peanut butter and jelly. Dick it
Speaker 1: is what you want when you want something, reliable but
Speaker 1: it's not. GOURMET a peanut butter and jelly dick is.
Speaker 2: Wild it's.
Speaker 1: Reliable you, know you can do special things with it
Speaker 1: if you. Want you, KNOW i love peanut butter and
Speaker 1: dress it. Up, yeah but it's always. Good it's always.
Speaker 2: Good you, know it's always gonna? Wow is? It is
Speaker 2: it a crunchy peanut? Butter is that a smooth peanut? Butter?
Speaker 1: No?
Speaker 3: NO i bathe.
Speaker 2: Pull my mic. Out, beautiful, beautiful, beautiful, Beautiful oh my,
Speaker 2: god thank you so.
Speaker 3: Much, okay hopefully my mom's already turned off this.
Speaker 2: Episode i'm sending her a private, Like, okay shall we
Speaker 2: do some messy mail? Please it's. Beautiful that means it's
Speaker 2: time for messy. Mail let's do. This. Okay so the
Speaker 2: first one, said, oh by the, way all your submissions remain.
Speaker 2: Anonymous feel LIKE i always have to say. That this one,
Speaker 2: says had sex for the first time in over two
Speaker 2: thousand days this. Weekend mostly just felt. Relief what is
Speaker 2: the long your? Face two thousand? Days? YEAH i didn't
Speaker 2: even know what that is in? Math how? Many how
Speaker 2: many years is? That that has to be a couple of, years, right.
Speaker 3: Three season five seven, four that's like four or five?
Speaker 2: Years four years is fourteen sixty five? Years?
Speaker 3: Eight oh my, god there's a cellivent for so long?
Speaker 2: Years? Wow what's as long as you've going without?
Speaker 3: Sex sixteen? Years well wait UNTIL i turned?
Speaker 2: Sixteen, okay, sorry since you started having, sex what's the
Speaker 2: LONGEST i was, like, damn three? Years three?
Speaker 3: Years three.
Speaker 1: YEARS i had sex in high school with a girlfriend
Speaker 1: and then with the guy, friend and THEN i started
Speaker 1: dating my wife and she was not ready to have.
Speaker 1: Sex so for the first three years we, dated we
Speaker 1: did not have. Sex we did sex sexual. Thing, yeah
Speaker 1: got to we cleared third a bunch of, times but
Speaker 1: never really like got to that that like specific, place which,
Speaker 1: honestly like being together for twenty two years and like
Speaker 1: having that period is really useful BECAUSE i think you
Speaker 1: have you learn a lot about like what how to
Speaker 1: bring pleasure to each other sure otherwise and then also
Speaker 1: you get to have these really beautiful moments where like
Speaker 1: you you've been building to this like beautiful thing and
Speaker 1: you finally have sex for the first time and it's, hilarious.
Speaker 1: Hilarious she, okay, COOL i have.
Speaker 3: Permission my mother in law is a very Insane christian.
Speaker 3: WOMAN i say that with.
Speaker 1: Love and she told her that my wife had a
Speaker 1: doubly thick i'mon and if we ever had, sex she
Speaker 1: would know because of how bad it would. Be she
Speaker 1: was very worried about her him and Bringing, yeah and
Speaker 1: when it, broke it made an audible pop, wow like
Speaker 1: like like it was and then like there's just a
Speaker 1: lot of. Blood it's just LIKE i Think i'm going to.
Speaker 1: Die AND i was, Like you're not gonna, die Because
Speaker 1: i'm to.
Speaker 3: Die AND i was LIKE i will.
Speaker 1: Check and So i'm like down there and just like
Speaker 1: be Like, nope this is a normal amount of blood we're.
Speaker 1: Doing and it's that is the sort of thing that
Speaker 1: you get to build up. Too you like you're experiencing
Speaker 1: the insecurity and you're experiencing a little bit of fear
Speaker 1: and a little bit of the righteous wrath Of, god
Speaker 1: and like you also in that, Moment LIKE i think
Speaker 1: it was really important because it taught her, that like
Speaker 1: she can Say i'm scared in the middle of, sex
Speaker 1: and we can stop and like figure out where we
Speaker 1: are and talk it through and then go back if
Speaker 1: we want to.
Speaker 3: Or continue it.
Speaker 1: Later and it's, LIKE i think that's really like beautiful
Speaker 1: and great. Gorgeous now that being, said if after twenty
Speaker 1: two years it had been.
Speaker 3: Two thousand, days that's you, know if you're if you're so,
Speaker 3: abstinent you're using uh aa rules for counting the, day that's.
Speaker 1: Bad that's very fun, Time, YEAH i, mean and also
Speaker 1: can ratulations and getting late absolutely congratulations after five and
Speaker 1: a half years you you you slayed.
Speaker 2: It i'll say THAT i think the Longest i've gone without,
Speaker 2: SEX i would say like a couple of. Weeks, okay
Speaker 2: maybe like a couple of. Weeks, yeah, yeah that's, true, Right, yeah,
Speaker 2: YEAH i guess because the first TIME i had SEX
Speaker 2: i was nineteen eighteen eighteen or nineteen was FIRSTIME i had,
Speaker 2: sex and THEN i would LIKE i would fuck pretty
Speaker 2: often in, school like once a, month once every Other,
Speaker 2: yeah every couple. Weeks So i'd take a couple of
Speaker 2: weeks is The longest's.
Speaker 3: Well so here's the. Question are we talking purely penetrative
Speaker 3: or are we including like oral and?
Speaker 2: Handies?
Speaker 1: Oh, well that's fair because sex is not just about.
Speaker 1: Penetration you, know if you could get your feet tickled
Speaker 1: and you, come does that kind of?
Speaker 3: SEX i would say, YES i would think.
Speaker 2: So.
Speaker 3: Yeah so like even during that three, years we were
Speaker 3: doing other, stuff like we were being. Sexual.
Speaker 1: Yes the question is if you're using The calvinist sex
Speaker 1: is only, penetration, right you? Know so like is this
Speaker 1: person saying for two thousand years for the Same not
Speaker 1: to make them feel, bad but it was two years
Speaker 1: and it's two thousand.
Speaker 2: Years my, god we have bigger. Problems this Is Jesus
Speaker 2: christ on The jesus wrote in what's That? Mama, YEAH
Speaker 2: i think it was a couple of. Weeks is the
Speaker 2: longest for either penetration or or hand stuff or mouth?
Speaker 1: STUFF i think man FOR i would say since being,
Speaker 1: married the longest has been two months, okay where we
Speaker 1: both were traveling a lot and then we were not
Speaker 1: getting along and you just. Don't you kissed and you
Speaker 1: take good, night you sleep together and you're, intimate but
Speaker 1: you're not. Sexual BUT i think that's those are normal
Speaker 1: in a. Relationship that is like our relationship can fucking
Speaker 1: drink at this? Point like and it, Does AND i
Speaker 1: think you have, to, like you, know if you're, single
Speaker 1: it's one, thing and if you're in a, RELATIONSHIP i
Speaker 1: think it's important not to beat yourself up if you're
Speaker 1: ever going through a cold, patch because part of that
Speaker 1: is just your have a garden to, nurture and if
Speaker 1: you don't nurture it, properly you're not gonna get fruit of.
Speaker 2: It you better come to Better Jesus. Christ ABSOLUTELY i love.
Speaker 2: That you better fucking, talk, okay talk to your ship.
Speaker 2: Now this one says, silently fucked my girlfriend on a
Speaker 2: blow up bed whilst her mother slept just meters from.
Speaker 2: Us that's. WILD i couldn't get hard if my mom
Speaker 2: was right next to.
Speaker 3: Me i'm.
Speaker 1: IMPRESSED i. Know that's where did you get such a good?
Speaker 1: Infectible dropped the? Link that's a, good that's a good inflatable.
Speaker 1: Mattress that that's an affiliate.
Speaker 3: Sponsor.
Speaker 2: Yeah. Wow have you ever sucked out a bloat?
Speaker 3: Bed, yeah of course that's.
Speaker 2: To.
Speaker 3: Brag BUT i didn't have bed money forever that you.
Speaker 2: KNOW i fucked on the. FLOOR i fucked on an air.
Speaker 2: Mattress have you fucked near a? Parent not a? Parent?
Speaker 3: Uh WE i got a blowjob once In.
Speaker 1: UH i was like in the we were in the
Speaker 1: corner of a basement and there were people around the
Speaker 1: corner and.
Speaker 3: Asleep i'm not gonna happened in but it was.
Speaker 1: It it was not an eyeshow like if if you're
Speaker 1: using metal, gear solid, rules like you could hear the
Speaker 1: footsteps down the hallway throw yourself under the.
Speaker 3: Box NEVER i. Couldn't that's too. Much that's we we did.
Speaker 3: GET i know we've been caught after the fact. Before
Speaker 3: but after the fact before what you, mean, well, like,
Speaker 3: uh you were told after the.
Speaker 2: Fact, NO i just.
Speaker 1: KNEW i lived with my folks when we first started.
Speaker 1: Dating and uh one the first time we ever drank
Speaker 1: and did. Xanax the last time we're having we got the.
Speaker 1: Car shouldn't have done, that but we, did and we
Speaker 1: were making out in the car and, uh she was,
Speaker 1: like do you want to bang on the hood of the.
Speaker 1: Car it was, like, yes, Absolutely AND i also was
Speaker 1: twenty two and did not had not washed.
Speaker 3: My car in a lot of.
Speaker 1: Time and like the next MORNING i came downstairs and
Speaker 1: my dad's car was, gone and on the hood of
Speaker 1: my car was just the outline of my wife's. Eyes,
Speaker 1: incredible and then just like two. Handprints it was. Incredible
Speaker 1: you know, what maybe maybe he didn't, notice and also
Speaker 1: he probably.
Speaker 3: Well he's already turned this. Off and.
Speaker 2: Well ALSO i never, PRIVATELY i got lots of private link. Sitting,
Speaker 2: OKAY i don't Think i've ever. Fucked ONLY i fucked
Speaker 2: in my childhood, bedroom WHICH i think everyone most people,
Speaker 2: have but no one was.
Speaker 3: Home so you've never even had sex when your parents are.
Speaker 2: Home, no, no, no, no no.
Speaker 3: No oh.
Speaker 1: Man, Yeah SO i think THAT i developed an edging
Speaker 1: fantasy because of having. Sex, sure we're just, like all, right,
Speaker 1: Well i'm rebelling right like my bedrooms, upstairs there's is, downstairs,
Speaker 1: yeah but like below so you. Can't you gotta go real,
Speaker 1: slow not more than, soaking but. Close it's.
Speaker 2: Quiet.
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah and you just learned to be very.
Speaker 2: Intentional it's kung. Fu this one SAYS i came out
Speaker 2: to my bye husband as by. Myself oh good as
Speaker 2: ba as not by, myself but as. Work. CONGRATULATIONS i
Speaker 2: want to ask you about. This you're you're by and
Speaker 2: you came out As when did you come out as by?
Speaker 3: Publicly as?
Speaker 2: Well y'all have been together let's say, this you've been
Speaker 2: together with your wife for twenty two. Years, yeah when
Speaker 2: did you did you have this experience where you had
Speaker 2: to come out to your wife or?
Speaker 3: NO i MEAN i kind of when you're together for
Speaker 3: a really long.
Speaker 1: Time, YEAH i think you just Are Like i'm gonna
Speaker 1: keep this in a box because one Day i'm gonna
Speaker 1: blow your mind where it's also like you you, LEARN
Speaker 1: i think what when you want to share things and
Speaker 1: when things are? Necessary, sure, so like we were monogamous
Speaker 1: for a very very long. Time we're still mostly, monogamous
Speaker 1: and like the question is what do you benefit from learning?
Speaker 3: That and Also i'm learning.
Speaker 1: Who you are and LIKE i know that you're cool
Speaker 1: with like, bisexuality BUT i don't know if you're cool
Speaker 1: with my.
Speaker 3: Bisexuality oh, so she over the years has.
Speaker 1: Talked about she's LIKE i love when you're a little,
Speaker 1: queenie LIKE i love musicals AND i she comes home
Speaker 1: And i'm dancing while doing the, dishes and, Like i've
Speaker 1: there are things about me where she's just like when
Speaker 1: my feminine energy comes. Out, Yeah and we would watch
Speaker 1: movies AND i would be, like per like a dude or, something,
Speaker 1: yes and like, eventually you, know she was just like
Speaker 1: where do you stand on?
Speaker 3: This And i'd be, like, ah you know.
Speaker 1: Whatever and then we'd be at a party and i'd
Speaker 1: make out with a guy for, attension you, know like
Speaker 1: you're doing.
Speaker 3: College AND.
Speaker 1: I, Also i'll say A chattanooga WHERE i grew. Up,
Speaker 1: yeah the like underground kind of like music scene has
Speaker 1: a very it's it's like sixty percent toxic masculinity forty.
Speaker 1: Percent we all kiss each other and that's.
Speaker 3: Fine.
Speaker 1: Yeah, so LIKE i don't know if it was easy
Speaker 1: for even her to even tell whether or not it
Speaker 1: was just like you like kissing people or what it.
Speaker 1: Was and THEN i WOULD i think over the years
Speaker 1: hint at stuff had, happened And i'd been, like, oh,
Speaker 1: YEAH i hooked up with the guy, once BUT i
Speaker 1: wouldn't explain how far that. Went, SURE i think probably
Speaker 1: two years ago was the first TIME i ever told,
Speaker 1: you LIKE i had sex with a. Guy but, like
Speaker 1: but even, then it wasn't like in a. Relationship it
Speaker 1: was a male friend of mine, that like he we
Speaker 1: were both clearly by we were both clearly attracted to each.
Speaker 1: Other we didn't want a, date and that seemed like
Speaker 1: the perfect person to, fuck, sure because they're, like oh,
Speaker 1: man low. Stakes, yeah you both want to. Explore neither
Speaker 1: one of you wants to be in a. Band this is,
Speaker 1: perfect you.
Speaker 3: Know and That so that was.
Speaker 1: IT i, mean like it took twenty years to tell
Speaker 1: her the full, extent BUT i think it was also
Speaker 1: kind of hot to just have this, mystery you.
Speaker 2: Know, yeah but you knew you knew that about yourself
Speaker 2: for this one. Years.
Speaker 1: Yeah, Yeah AND i LIKE i would still LIKE i
Speaker 1: would watch like by, pornolage, sure OR i really enjoyed
Speaker 1: like pictures of, swimmers you, know.
Speaker 2: Like, yeah oh, GOD i still love pictures of Some,
Speaker 2: yeah and, LIKE.
Speaker 1: I don't, know it's it's interesting to me because like for,
Speaker 1: me it wasn't something that LIKE i talked about it
Speaker 1: a lot of my, comedy, yeah without directly talking about
Speaker 1: and LIKE i would just constantly bring up tiny little
Speaker 1: things about like being attracted. MEN i have a very
Speaker 1: long story on my record that's about going on a
Speaker 1: date with a guy in high school THAT i didn't
Speaker 1: realize was a date UNTIL i was at the.
Speaker 3: End of, it like because he was just, Like, hey
Speaker 3: do you want to go to the? Movies? Yeah and
Speaker 3: then he held my hand in the movies AND i was, like, oh,
Speaker 3: NO i don't know what we're. Doing AND i was,
Speaker 3: like he's been, cool let's do.
Speaker 1: It SO i held his hand for the entire, movie
Speaker 1: WHICH i didn't realize how like SEPHORICALLY i was like or,
Speaker 1: LIKE i feel LIKE i was giving much more romantic
Speaker 1: energy THAT i was. Intending SO i was, like, WELL
Speaker 1: i don't, know why WOULDN'T i hold hands with? You
Speaker 1: and then like we kissed at the end of the,
Speaker 1: night and THEN i told him we were. Moving you,
Speaker 1: Know i'm not going to be. Easy you know you want,
Speaker 1: Me you're going to move To michigan or WHAT i line,
Speaker 1: about which is ridiculous BECAUSE i lived in that town
Speaker 1: for ten.
Speaker 3: MONTHS i was just a.
Speaker 2: Lying piece of, shit well no figuring it.
Speaker 3: Out who's a good person when they're, Sixteen not.
Speaker 2: ME i certainly wasn't well what did You how did
Speaker 2: how did your marriage change AFTER i don't want to
Speaker 2: say coming, out but after sharing that part of. Yourself, nothing,
Speaker 2: Nothing it was the, same it, Was it.
Speaker 3: Was absolutely the.
Speaker 1: Same she became a little more receptive to playing with my,
Speaker 1: butt but outside of, THAT i think she was just,
Speaker 1: like oh you, actually this.
Speaker 3: Isn't just something you're doing to be. Cool. Yeah, uh
Speaker 3: like it was really kind of. Great nothing. Changed.
Speaker 1: UH i think the the Stuff i've always been more
Speaker 1: cautious about is just like my. Folks, yeah BECAUSE i
Speaker 1: know my parents would completely and totally accept, me but
Speaker 1: like my dad's a, minister he's now. Retired he retired
Speaker 1: and became a hospice oh, wow because he was, Like
Speaker 1: i'm done with the hard.
Speaker 3: Part.
Speaker 1: Uh my mom works in like nonprofit. Stuff so Like
Speaker 1: i've always tried to be very like, PUBLICLY i say
Speaker 1: terrible things on into a, microphone but LIKE i try
Speaker 1: to be aware of like my family and things like,
Speaker 1: that and like her in laws our my in laws
Speaker 1: would disown, me but they won't listen to.
Speaker 2: THIS i don't.
Speaker 1: Know i've never really felt like any fear about. IT
Speaker 1: i knew my brother would, UNDERSTAND i knew my mom
Speaker 1: and dad would. UNDERSTAND i, Mean i'm quite, frankly telling
Speaker 1: my mom that we had a girlfriend infinitely harder than
Speaker 1: being LIKE i hooked up with a guy in high.
Speaker 2: School. Yeah, wow, okay, WAIT i have many. Questions first, is,
Speaker 2: wait my brain is going in five different. DIRECTIONS i, ramble, no, no,
Speaker 2: no you're. Perfect my first question is did it did coming?
Speaker 2: Out did sharing that part of yourself that you're by
Speaker 2: with your? Wife did it change anything for? You like
Speaker 2: did you feel because it's obviously your, Partner you've been
Speaker 2: together for a long, time so did you FEEL i
Speaker 2: don't know anything, lighter, freer or the? Same, like was
Speaker 2: there a shift for?
Speaker 3: You?
Speaker 1: Uh this is maybe this is like a sociopathic comedy brand.
Speaker 1: THING i was, like oh, NO i burned the material
Speaker 1: because it's fun in a.
Speaker 3: Relationship.
Speaker 1: YOU i think it's important if you're like in a
Speaker 1: long term relationship to hold onto. Things, yeah you do
Speaker 1: not need to know everything about each other in your.
Speaker 1: One you don't want to know everything about each other
Speaker 1: in your. Ten, god when you get to, forty you
Speaker 1: should still be discovering shit about each. Other, Yes and
Speaker 1: for me that was one of those like it wasn't
Speaker 1: even LIKE i was teasing her WHERE i was, like
Speaker 1: this is the post credit sequence of this, conversation And
Speaker 1: i'm playing up a movie that's coming. Later like it
Speaker 1: was LIKE i would slowly give her more pieces of,
Speaker 1: it and she would see more pieces of, it AND
Speaker 1: i kind of enjoyed like watching that conversation, grow and
Speaker 1: then it was over and it was, fine and it
Speaker 1: was like and it's cool because now like For, christmas
Speaker 1: she'll get me poppers and that's.
Speaker 3: Great but, liked you, know and, like you, know maybe
Speaker 3: it makes it easier to love each other and understand each,
Speaker 3: other and like.
Speaker 1: It's really fun when we're watching a movie and it's
Speaker 1: like someone super hot comes on and she was like,
Speaker 1: that you, know, yeah but like, IT i don't, KNOW
Speaker 1: i didn't.
Speaker 3: Feel any big.
Speaker 1: CHANGE i also feel LIKE i told her so many
Speaker 1: different ways that the only thing that she didn't know
Speaker 1: was the specifics got It and.
Speaker 3: Even, then like the, SPECIFICS i don't know how important they.
Speaker 1: Are but also it's like for, me it's it's like
Speaker 1: that's a piece of, me and LIKE i can share
Speaker 1: THE i could share the, details AND i can share the,
Speaker 1: reality and you CAN i could share the fact That
Speaker 1: i'm attracted to men and That i've had romantic feelings for,
Speaker 1: them but also like there's an element of like kiss
Speaker 1: and tell is fun for some, stuff and some stuff
Speaker 1: you're like it's almost sacred because it's LIKE i had
Speaker 1: this one beautiful shared experience And i've had Like i've
Speaker 1: made out with guys and stuff like. That it's just
Speaker 1: it's harder to hook up when you're in The south
Speaker 1: because bisexual men are just people are like you're lying and,
Speaker 1: sure but like it didn't change anything because like that's
Speaker 1: been my best friend. Forever we've been together literally longer
Speaker 1: THAN i was alive before we, Met, yeah you, know
Speaker 1: and like if she wasn't going to be cool about,
Speaker 1: IT i wouldn't.
Speaker 3: Have been with her that.
Speaker 1: Long IT'S i, think, honestly one of the best parts
Speaker 1: of long term, love if you can like maintain, it
Speaker 1: is you do have that sense of, security like you
Speaker 1: have a partner and you've been together for twenty, years
Speaker 1: and you're, LIKE i hooked up with someone in high
Speaker 1: school and they look at you like they don't know.
Speaker 3: You what did they do for those twenty?
Speaker 2: Years?
Speaker 3: Literally you, know like how the fuck are?
Speaker 1: You you mean to tell me that we Watched True
Speaker 1: romance AND i was like drooling Over elvis and you
Speaker 1: had no. HINTS i don't think that's.
Speaker 2: Possible, yes that's my. Mother my mother was surprised THAT
Speaker 2: i was, gay which is Really, yeah that really like
Speaker 2: you've been with me for what twenty? Minutes?
Speaker 3: Years like?
Speaker 2: Crazy she was in. SHOCK i don't belive. It my
Speaker 2: movie sisterrect to In First Wife. Club what are we talking?
Speaker 1: ABOUT i thought your your vocal affectations that of a
Speaker 1: game show. Host, right, no, no it's no girl girl.
Speaker 2: Girlies how did you feel about you, KNOW i think
Speaker 2: that this is the conversation around bisexuality and whether or
Speaker 2: not people will obviously it's, real but the conversation about
Speaker 2: people doubting, it especially around men were. Bisexual how is
Speaker 2: that because you just mentioned that in The south people
Speaker 2: don't think it's. Real how is that impacted?
Speaker 1: YOU?
Speaker 2: R what do? You how do you navigate?
Speaker 3: That i've always been, like, honestly the hardest part for
Speaker 3: me is being a. COMEDIAN u, huh there's this making
Speaker 3: me in.
Speaker 1: Trouble there's a comedy is about demographics a lot of the,
Speaker 1: time and like for, Me i've been very cautious about
Speaker 1: the WAY i talk about it on stage Because i'm
Speaker 1: not like practicing lee bi and, LIKE i have had
Speaker 1: sex with a, man which is more than many people
Speaker 1: who market themselves as bisexual. COMICS a lot of people
Speaker 1: are by and they're, like Because i'm attracted to, people
Speaker 1: but they haven't actually ever like had romantic relationships or those.
Speaker 1: Things and LIKE i have always been very cautious to
Speaker 1: not the term stolen, valor you, know LIKE i don't
Speaker 1: ever want to like feel Like i'm wearing a uniform
Speaker 1: THAT i haven't served in or you, know or, worse
Speaker 1: being a guy who never stops talking about the one
Speaker 1: big game in high, school you. Know and like for,
Speaker 1: ME i Think i've always been much more cautious OF
Speaker 1: i want to talk about it with PEOPLE i care,
Speaker 1: about BUT i want to don't want to be flipping
Speaker 1: about it professionally or on stage or in my public,
Speaker 1: persona because LIKE i don't want people to Think i'm
Speaker 1: just doing it for clout or doing it to like
Speaker 1: get booked or do things like. That and like so
Speaker 1: in comedy sometimes it's been harder to even feel safe
Speaker 1: talking with friends about it because they're just, like you're, like, oh,
Speaker 1: well how are you going to view? Me because we're
Speaker 1: all constantly marketing, ourselves, right and Like i'm very so
Speaker 1: that's been the bigger deal for. ME i think the
Speaker 1: funny you think about it more than anything is like
Speaker 1: if you're a married couple and you go to the
Speaker 1: club and like you dance with a woman and your
Speaker 1: wife kisses that woman and that white woman kisses, you
Speaker 1: and everyone's, like we know what this. Is if you
Speaker 1: do that with a guy at a, club people are, like,
Speaker 1: wait what's going? On or there's not as much there's
Speaker 1: Like i've had people, THERE i don't, know we've we've
Speaker 1: gone dancing, before and like a guy kissed me AND
Speaker 1: i was, like maybe we're gonna do, something and then
Speaker 1: he finds out my wife's there and then just like
Speaker 1: stops talking to me, beforehand And i'm just, Like i'm
Speaker 1: not trying to trick you into being By i'm just
Speaker 1: saying that there is a package deal right now and
Speaker 1: this one's really. Hot, Yeah and like that's been more
Speaker 1: of the interesting distinction for me is just not knowing
Speaker 1: because LIKE I i've been with this is my. Partner
Speaker 1: IF i do, STUFF i want to do stuff with my,
Speaker 1: partner and like that is more difficult BECAUSE i feel
Speaker 1: like there are more openly bisexual women and there are
Speaker 1: a fewer openly bisexual, men AND i don't know how
Speaker 1: to like market. THAT i wish there was like a card,
Speaker 1: system you, know you dance for a, minute here's a,
Speaker 1: card and you're, like, oh here's all the things about.
Speaker 3: YOU i will stamp your. Card, yeah that would be so.
Speaker 1: Refreshing but it's like it's loud and dancing and we're having,
Speaker 1: fun AND i don't know how to like mesh that.
Speaker 1: Vibe AND i also want to be very respectful of,
Speaker 1: people AND i don't want to like lead someone on
Speaker 1: and then have them find, out, oh, gross there's a
Speaker 1: girl at, fault you, know, yes Which i'm just.
Speaker 2: What you were, saying especially if you're dealing with men
Speaker 2: and gay, men that there's a there's there is an
Speaker 2: OPENNESS i think that women have inside of bisexuality that
Speaker 2: men don't.
Speaker 1: Always, yeah, well and LIKE i also understand like part of.
Speaker 1: IT i grew up in The, south and like WHEN
Speaker 1: i went to gay bars and. Stuff gay bars in The,
Speaker 1: SOUTH i mean they're sacred, everywhere but in The south
Speaker 1: there is sacred places, there in places you go to
Speaker 1: be around, community in a place where you're don't really
Speaker 1: safe to be yourself out in, public and, LIKE i
Speaker 1: think that that's really beautiful and really important and, like
Speaker 1: but also knowing your place fitting there is not the,
Speaker 1: same like cause you're, like, WELL i do have an
Speaker 1: outwardly facing relationship THAT i could do in, public and
Speaker 1: no one's gonna give me any shit about, it, right
Speaker 1: no one's gonna yell at, me no one's gonna throw
Speaker 1: a bottle at me UNLESS i do something on, stage you, Know,
Speaker 1: like so there's this thing OF i have enough SO
Speaker 1: i don't need to OR i don't have that it's
Speaker 1: not my place. TOO i think that meant more than anything.
Speaker 1: Else is LIKE i don't know if it's a, Fraud
Speaker 1: like you feel like a fraud or you feel like
Speaker 1: you're like you're you can't promise a, relationship which is
Speaker 1: also a very monogamous minded you, know a thing to
Speaker 1: be LIKE i don't want to just go and have
Speaker 1: fun with a, Boy and you're, like, well what IF
Speaker 1: i let him, on what if he had? FEELINGS i don't,
Speaker 1: know he would be an adult who then worked through.
Speaker 1: That but like there's not unless you have the space
Speaker 1: to work through those things or have those. CONVERSATIONS i
Speaker 1: think there's a lot of what ifs in your head
Speaker 1: and you want to get it. Right you don't want
Speaker 1: to like fuck up with people because people.
Speaker 2: Are, PEOPLE i, know but there's a party that might
Speaker 2: have to fuck, up you know What i'm. Saying it's
Speaker 2: just like those things where like and when we EXPLORE
Speaker 2: i think about it all the. Time like you, Know
Speaker 2: i'm able to give the advice THAT i give BECAUSE
Speaker 2: i fucked, up you know What i'm, Saying Because i've
Speaker 2: had these experiences WHERE i wasn't my best self or
Speaker 2: OR i got things, wrong and SO i can tell
Speaker 2: you how to do. It BUT i find that for
Speaker 2: my in my, community the people who have come out
Speaker 2: to me who are bisexual and are coming, out you,
Speaker 2: know in our. Thirties, uh they are already in hetero facing. Relationships,
Speaker 2: Uh and so there becomes a fear to take up
Speaker 2: space or that they feel like they are taking up
Speaker 2: space and they don't feel like they have the right
Speaker 2: to take up that. Space AND i recognize that that
Speaker 2: is not there or your. Situation that's HOW i think
Speaker 2: that socially we respond to my, sexuality but that is
Speaker 2: the bisexual, Experience like that is part of the bisexual.
Speaker 2: Experience part of it can be That i'm in a
Speaker 2: hetero facing, relationship but that doesn't mean That i'm any less.
Speaker 2: Bisexual AND i kind of wish that there was more
Speaker 2: nuance in that, conversation that there was space for that to,
Speaker 2: exist and that people who are Like i'm you, KNOW
Speaker 2: i just like same, sex full gay, man like a,
Speaker 2: woman full gay, person that community was a little more
Speaker 2: a lot more open to the, granular to the nuance
Speaker 2: and not as.
Speaker 1: EXCLUSIVE i would go dance at gay bars and like
Speaker 1: that to me is enough sometimes because like that's the
Speaker 1: sex is not always the end all what you want for,
Speaker 1: me like being around, people having a chance to be
Speaker 1: like dance and like have someone dance on me and
Speaker 1: like pay attention to, me like flirt with me in
Speaker 1: a way that women do not flirt like they just
Speaker 1: it is not the same kind of.
Speaker 3: Flirting it is not the. Same it does not make
Speaker 3: you feel like you have beautiful, eyes you. Know, yeah
Speaker 3: and like so that would be it.
Speaker 1: Was kind of fun for me when we first moved,
Speaker 1: here is LIKE i just go and be, like all,
Speaker 1: right she's working till. Eleven i'm gonna go dance.
Speaker 3: And want to would feel?
Speaker 1: It, yeah and like just have someone buy you a
Speaker 1: drink and talk to a guy and like eventually they
Speaker 1: notice you have a wedding ring and they're like explain,
Speaker 1: that and you're like and they're a handful of times
Speaker 1: people are, like, SORRY i don't do buy. It i'm,
Speaker 1: like all, right that's, fine, whatever thanks for. DANCING i
Speaker 1: don't do. Buy such a wild. STATEMENT i, mean that couldn't.
Speaker 3: Mean here's the other.
Speaker 1: Thing it's entirely possible THAT i am absolutely someone you
Speaker 1: dance with and not someone you take.
Speaker 3: Home and that is maybe the way to let me
Speaker 3: down is, GO i don't do buy and that's. FINE i.
Speaker 1: Am absolutely someone's dream boat AND i am someone else's
Speaker 1: dingy and that's.
Speaker 2: Okay that's all of.
Speaker 3: Us.
Speaker 2: Yeah well, question so now let me This because you
Speaker 2: did mention that you have a, girlfriend you and your
Speaker 2: wife are dating somebody to.
Speaker 3: Yes so what?
Speaker 2: What how does how does that impact your exploring gr bisexuality.
Speaker 1: IT i, MEAN i feel like if you are in
Speaker 1: a relationship with one, person you probably only have time
Speaker 1: for that. Relationship, yeah and if you're a relationship with two,
Speaker 1: people you barely have time for those two. Relationshipsmilius like
Speaker 1: WE I i we have a, girlfriend absolutely wonderful, person very,
Speaker 1: funny comedian and also has LONG, covid so, uh we
Speaker 1: like a lot of our. Time we are very careful
Speaker 1: about figuring out what we're doing and like mitigating large
Speaker 1: crowds and like making sure that like if she gets,
Speaker 1: exhausted that can like wipe out a couple of, days
Speaker 1: and like there's a lot of the stuff that goes into,
Speaker 1: that so it's taken the focus off of, it, huh
Speaker 1: but also like it's still an omnipresent thing that's kind
Speaker 1: of there and then just, ENOUGH i think it's like
Speaker 1: it's helped me navigate as be a better partner as
Speaker 1: we all figure out how to navigate some of the
Speaker 1: more complicated elements of like a queer, relationship which is
Speaker 1: Like polly is a form of like especially if you're
Speaker 1: in a triad.
Speaker 3: That is a form of a queer.
Speaker 1: Relationship, absolutely and LIKE i think it gave me some
Speaker 1: interesting empathy when we were figuring out how to talk
Speaker 1: to like our parents about, it uh. Huh and, like
Speaker 1: interestingly enough never had to come out to my. Parents
Speaker 1: they saw me do stand. Up they MENTIONED i mentioned
Speaker 1: like kissing. Guys they were, like we figured it.
Speaker 2: Out we.
Speaker 1: Did we send an email where, like we have a,
Speaker 1: friend you've met. Her she actually gave you her sit
Speaker 1: of been role, recipe WHICH i learned. LATER i was,
Speaker 1: like is that where you felt betrayed like? That you were,
Speaker 1: like we met her and we had her baked goods
Speaker 1: before we found out you were in. Love so we
Speaker 1: sent like an an. Email we're about the. Holidays we were, like,
Speaker 1: hey we're trying to figure, out you, know if we're
Speaker 1: coming home For thanksgiving or anything like. That if we,
Speaker 1: do we're bringing this. Person and you know that Was
Speaker 1: it was. Interesting parents have heard me talk, about you,
Speaker 1: know being, queer and my parents have heard me talk
Speaker 1: about being by never had a single thing to say about.
Speaker 1: It when we came out Of, polly my mom was.
Speaker 3: Heartbroken.
Speaker 1: Yeah, WHY i think she's a very traditional view of,
Speaker 1: marriage WHICH i totally.
Speaker 3: UNDERSTAND i think because she's always wanted a daughter and
Speaker 3: my wife is the daughter of her.
Speaker 1: Eye AND i think it's also if you don't know
Speaker 1: if the relationship's, HEALTHY i think it's really easy to
Speaker 1: assume that means that something's really.
Speaker 3: Shitty, sure you. Know we were, like, well why would
Speaker 3: you need another?
Speaker 1: Person and like the way we ended up dating was
Speaker 1: our girlfriend was on tour and she stayed with us
Speaker 1: for a couple of days and we all just vibed really,
Speaker 1: good and like we had had a long standing thing
Speaker 1: where if you're like out of, town you want to
Speaker 1: make out with, somebody you make out with. Somebody, Yeah
Speaker 1: and she was, like did you guys ever make? OUT
Speaker 1: i was, like absolutely, not that's just a. Friend she was,
Speaker 1: like you guys have the best.
Speaker 2: Energy.
Speaker 3: Know it was, like you guys have the best. Energy
Speaker 3: and over the course of like six, months we slowly like.
Speaker 1: Talked and kind of figured out if we wanted to try,
Speaker 1: it and like it came together very nat really and
Speaker 1: through a lot of conversations and some weird long distance.
Speaker 3: Drives that's its own long, story but it's like we took.
Speaker 1: A lot of time figuring out what it was before
Speaker 1: we even talked about it with our friends or talked
Speaker 1: about it with our parents and with their. Family and
Speaker 1: LIKE i introduced her to my brother and my sister
Speaker 1: in law first and they were completely on. Board and
Speaker 1: then like we were, like, okay, well we talked to
Speaker 1: my brother and. Sister we were, like how would you
Speaker 1: tell the? Folks you, know we talked to my wife's.
Speaker 1: Siblings how are you talk about?
Speaker 3: It you?
Speaker 1: Know and we came out to them and it was
Speaker 1: just it wasn't. Ugly it was, MAN i almost wish
Speaker 1: they were. Mad they were just. Hurt it was like
Speaker 1: THEY'VE i think they it broke their idea of what
Speaker 1: our relationship, was and like they were. Worried they for,
Speaker 1: them marriage is very sacred and they were worried that
Speaker 1: we were throwing.
Speaker 3: That away in the name of like.
Speaker 1: Hedonism AND i was, like you, know hedonism is a
Speaker 1: lot easier if you're not dating someone with an exhaustion.
Speaker 1: DISORDER i was, like if you want to, believe, Like
Speaker 1: i'm just, saying like the the the LONG covid absolutely
Speaker 1: means we're in it for love of the.
Speaker 3: Game you. Know this isn't just about.
Speaker 1: Partying this isn't there's something else that goes into. It
Speaker 1: but it was interesting thinking, that like IF i had
Speaker 1: never gotten with my wife AND i had ended up
Speaker 1: dating a, dude my parents would have not had a
Speaker 1: problem with. It it was it's it's the poll. Monogamy
Speaker 1: it's the, WELL i, mean like The, bible if you
Speaker 1: look O Old, testament there's a lot of polly. Relationships
Speaker 1: Maybe King.
Speaker 3: David was polly and. Murderous so like there's a lot
Speaker 3: of a lot.
Speaker 2: Of things that make sense that people get pissed them.
Speaker 2: Out but how do ya?
Speaker 1: Now they're fine with? THAT i don't, know they're, fine
Speaker 1: but they're They they love, her they think she's. Great
Speaker 1: they came and visited. It my parents came and visited
Speaker 1: For christmas last year and like Had christmas with us
Speaker 1: all and we've cooked for, them and like my dad
Speaker 1: trades books with, her and she she made my MOM'S
Speaker 1: i think, honestly this is where she went over my.
Speaker 1: Mom my mom has this like chest. Pie do you
Speaker 1: know chest pie? Is it's like an egg custard. Pie,
Speaker 1: ok fucking. Amazing my mom when she was dating my,
Speaker 1: dad reverse engineered a chest pie recipe from his memory
Speaker 1: of boy scout, camp and like she made it from
Speaker 1: scratch based off his sense memories of what it.
Speaker 3: Tasted, like it's in the family. Cookbook. Alison their girlfriend.
Speaker 1: Like made the chest, pie made like four versions of,
Speaker 1: it and then was, like which is these tastes the
Speaker 1: most like your. MOM'S i was like this, one she
Speaker 1: was like, Great and then she gave it to my,
Speaker 1: mom who was like all. Right you know With baptist
Speaker 1: women sometimes or Not, baptist she's not.
Speaker 3: Bad She's. Christian she left The baptist church because their misogynistic.
Speaker 3: Castles but LIKE i.
Speaker 1: Think with when you're stepping into the realms of traditional
Speaker 1: religious families or traditional family sometimes the best way to
Speaker 1: get involved is to be, like look at this.
Speaker 2: Pie, yeah, food foods. Heart how long did it take
Speaker 2: before y'all got? There, like how many much between telling
Speaker 2: your parents and this chest?
Speaker 3: Pie? Ah that was a, year it, WAS i mean
Speaker 3: like the first it.
Speaker 1: Was it was hard the first, Time like when we
Speaker 1: first came out about it and talked to them about,
Speaker 1: it it was like a weird couple of. Months, yeah
Speaker 1: my dad is kind of a, hippie you, know like
Speaker 1: he he changed religious denominations because he wanted one where
Speaker 1: it was like A christian denomination that allowed for the
Speaker 1: Possibility god doesn't. Exist he's fun and my mom was
Speaker 1: a little bit more. Traditional but also like they've both
Speaker 1: worked and like gay rights and aids outreached in The
Speaker 1: south and like they're they're very open minded people who
Speaker 1: were like they're not one of those like love The.
Speaker 3: CENTER i hate this.
Speaker 1: End, yeah like gay people Are, Christians like they're so
Speaker 1: like it's very. Interesting it was just it was just
Speaker 1: that that it was like a betrayal of the what
Speaker 1: they thought the marriage and love. Was and THEN i
Speaker 1: think over, time As i've talked about, IT i feel
Speaker 1: like my dad's gotten a BETTER i think he understands
Speaker 1: the desire in a long term relationship to have one
Speaker 1: person who wants to go to the. Movies, yes like
Speaker 1: sometimes the nice thing about having two partners is, that
Speaker 1: like one doesn't want to fucking do, Shit.
Speaker 2: Tony absolutely exactly. Exactly you, know it.
Speaker 1: Takes a lot of sometimes probably takes the the pressure
Speaker 1: off of a relationship to be everything to.
Speaker 3: EVERYONE i and my mom is, like why would you
Speaker 3: not want everyone to be everything to? Ever likes too?
Speaker 3: Much too? Much that's. Why AND i get.
Speaker 1: That, YEAH i mean like, it there's ship about it that,
Speaker 1: sucks there's stuff about it that's been. Painful but Also
Speaker 1: i've had the most in, depth like honest conversations with
Speaker 1: my dad about like my parents marriage and like the
Speaker 1: things that like he wished he, knew and like it's
Speaker 1: in many ways it's made me closer to both of
Speaker 1: my parents because for the first TIME i have to
Speaker 1: actually have these conversations about, like, Yeah i've always known
Speaker 1: marriages like you guys, together so like the.
Speaker 2: Default we all default to work and the polyamorous of
Speaker 2: it forces you to have.
Speaker 1: Conversations, absolutely you have to accept that it's worth having
Speaker 1: the painful conversation of being, like, hey this is where we're.
Speaker 1: At but the reason we're telling you is because we
Speaker 1: love you and you want you to know what's in our. Lives,
Speaker 1: Yeah AND i think that was the thing that for
Speaker 1: me was the, hardest is us saying we love you
Speaker 1: enough to tell you this thing we know is initially
Speaker 1: going to. Suck there's no way we're going to tell
Speaker 1: you this and you're going to be like fuck ya.
Speaker 1: Her you Know Simon roles are, incredible which they are
Speaker 1: Incredible Simon.
Speaker 3: Roles my mom loved.
Speaker 1: Them but like, also and you, know if you're thinking
Speaker 1: about telling your parents that you're in a relationship that
Speaker 1: they're not going to, UNDERSTAND i think it's important to
Speaker 1: say the Reason i'm telling you this is BECAUSE i love.
Speaker 1: YOU i don't want those secrets from, you AND i
Speaker 1: would rather in the short, term have there be this
Speaker 1: pain and this, disconnect because that, pain in this disconnect
Speaker 1: is a roadway to a broader conversation that's going to
Speaker 1: help us both understand each other. Better and you, know
Speaker 1: maybe you're going to be LIKE i understand here are
Speaker 1: the places, that LIKE i wish my marriage had been.
Speaker 1: Different here are the places THAT i think your marriage
Speaker 1: is going to be we because you're doing, this and
Speaker 1: LIKE i want you To like for my daddy was just, like,
Speaker 1: LOOK i respect all of. YOU i think you've clearly
Speaker 1: thought this. Through here are the things THAT i think
Speaker 1: you haven't, considered AND i want a bare minimum to
Speaker 1: be able to say. That AND i was, like, absolutely
Speaker 1: thanks for even trusting me enough to think THAT i
Speaker 1: could hear, it you, know and it's it's been long
Speaker 1: and it's been, difficult.
Speaker 3: BUT i, mean, ultimately if your parents want to know,
Speaker 3: you they're going to know who you.
Speaker 1: Are and, like sometimes your parents are going to be
Speaker 1: LIKE i don't want to know who you, are, Sure
Speaker 1: and if that's the, case we'll fucking with, family.
Speaker 2: New, family fund your chosen. FAMILY i think that that's
Speaker 2: so a smart step out is that love is not
Speaker 2: always roses and and fairy. Death that love also is
Speaker 2: difficult in that it requires really transparent conversations that may
Speaker 2: not be easy to, have but it's still love and
Speaker 2: there's still an intention of, love and that you might
Speaker 2: have to give somebody time by showing who you, are
Speaker 2: but that that ultimately is.
Speaker 3: Freeing, yea THE i, UH i know it comes back
Speaker 3: to banking a.
Speaker 1: Lot but like if you make, bread you have to
Speaker 1: like put yeast in at the right temperature and sometimes
Speaker 1: it doesn't, rise and sometimes it comes out fluffy and. Perfect,
Speaker 1: Yeah and like conversations with your family are like making.
Speaker 1: Bread sometimes you're following a recipe you know very well
Speaker 1: and it comes out fucked up and you're, like oh,
Speaker 1: no yeah, yeah but like a bare, minimum it still
Speaker 1: looks like a, loaf and you over time you have
Speaker 1: more opportunities to like make that loaf again and have
Speaker 1: those conversations again, slowly like make it makes sense and
Speaker 1: make it more.
Speaker 2: Human it won't just be one, conversation, yeah that'll be.
Speaker 2: MULTIPLE i love. That thank you so much for being,
Speaker 2: Here thank you so much for having.
Speaker 3: Me this is so much.
Speaker 2: Fun this was so much. Fun i'll talk to you.
Speaker 2: Soon thank you. Bye, well you know we're hose here
Speaker 2: About hose with, heart so before we part, ways let
Speaker 2: me speak to. Yours, wait first TIME i tell, you
Speaker 2: was it at the topic episode THAT i told you
Speaker 2: about getting my balls? Tapped or was IT i forget
Speaker 2: it was during this. Conversation, Anyways So i'm an, update
Speaker 2: which is that the other DAY i was at the
Speaker 2: gym AND i saw the guy who in the steam,
Speaker 2: room which not at the, gym was like at some
Speaker 2: other spot tap my balls for the first, time AND
Speaker 2: i swear to. You for like twenty minutes watching him walk,
Speaker 2: AROUND i was, like DO i go tell him, that
Speaker 2: like he's the first one that tapped my, balls and
Speaker 2: like thank you for unlocking something in. Me but THEN
Speaker 2: i was like, THAT i was, like how WOULD i
Speaker 2: feel somebody came up to me and Said but THEN
Speaker 2: i was, like it's. ME i would feel, like oh,
Speaker 2: Yay but that's BECAUSE i do. THIS i don't know
Speaker 2: if if, him a random stranger from a, steamroom would appreciate,
Speaker 2: that BUT i knew it was him because of his neck.
Speaker 2: TATTOOS i was, like that's in his. Height he was
Speaker 2: like six' four and had like, neck TATTOOS and i,
Speaker 2: was like that's it's you one of those skinny tall
Speaker 2: which my FRIENDS and i talk. ABOUT this i don't
Speaker 2: know why this is host, with heart but it is
Speaker 2: when they're tall, and skinny goes, Dixonby, Swinging okay and that.
Speaker 2: WAS true i will also, Say this i'll, add this
Speaker 2: which is THAT he, i like this is years ago
Speaker 2: that he tapped. My, walls yeah AND then i think
Speaker 2: we found each Other on INSTAGRAM and i don't think
Speaker 2: he KNEW what i did for, a living but he
Speaker 2: wanted to help me start my only fans page or
Speaker 2: an only dance page and get into like. Sex WORK
Speaker 2: and i, was, like oh that's. So lovely that's just
Speaker 2: NOT what. I do but it was, VERY like i
Speaker 2: feel you could start your own only. FANS page i
Speaker 2: don't KNOW why i would need somebody to start an
Speaker 2: only dance page. For me it was like he wanted
Speaker 2: to be like a little bit of, my PIMP and
Speaker 2: i was like not. Into that, so anyways let me
Speaker 2: talk to you ABOUT what i Learned From. John. Michael
Speaker 2: well we talked a lot about being by and bisexuality
Speaker 2: and what does it mean to be bisexual when you
Speaker 2: are in a hetero. Presenting relationship and one thing that
Speaker 2: stood Out When john, MICHAEL said i don't want to
Speaker 2: feel like wearing A uniform i haven't. Served IN and i,
Speaker 2: think that's, you know a common FROM what, i hear
Speaker 2: a very common feeling amongst those who are by and
Speaker 2: come out, maybe later or are in hetero. Presenting relationships
Speaker 2: it's like not wanting to take. Up space BUT as
Speaker 2: i Said To, john Michael and i'll say, AGAIN here
Speaker 2: i think we have to expand with the with the
Speaker 2: what what what a queer experience? Looks like what a
Speaker 2: bisexual experience? Looks like and just because someone is in
Speaker 2: a hetero presenting relationship and, you know may not have
Speaker 2: to deal with the same hang ups of, you know
Speaker 2: YOU am i going to be safe showing up to
Speaker 2: this space or? That space there are still things that
Speaker 2: you're navigating and and a lot of it, is internal
Speaker 2: but it. Still MATTERS and i think that you know
Speaker 2: it should be whether you've had the sex, or not
Speaker 2: even if you're just attracted. TO somebody i think you
Speaker 2: get to. OWN it i think you get. TO it
Speaker 2: i think you get to own it FULLY and i
Speaker 2: think you get to take. Up Space and i'm not, gonna,
Speaker 2: Say listen i'm. NOT naive i know that there are
Speaker 2: plenty of gays and queers who would disagree and would, be,
Speaker 2: like no, you can't but. Fuck, them okay if, you're listening, fuck. You,
Speaker 2: honey okay let's. Be inclusive let's be, you know open.
Speaker 2: And compassionate and, you know just because you haven't fucked
Speaker 2: somebody doesn't mean that you are any less gay or bisexual.
Speaker 2: Or whatever, you know you are who, you are and
Speaker 2: you are attracted to what you're, attracted to and you
Speaker 2: love who, you love and fucking take. Up space THAT'S
Speaker 2: what i have to say, On. That okay, but also
Speaker 2: you know the complexities of a by man getting to
Speaker 2: experience the same sex relationship when they're already in a
Speaker 2: head of a. Presenting relationship and You Know john michael
Speaker 2: saying not wanting to lead, PEOPLE on i think, you
Speaker 2: know There's no i'm just reflecting. On it there's really
Speaker 2: nothing to do on an. Individual level, BUT know i
Speaker 2: do hope that as we continue to have, these conversations
Speaker 2: that we watch society and culture Shift in there's there's
Speaker 2: a there's there's. An acceptance and there's a granular, to
Speaker 2: This so i'll get, into it but there's an acceptance
Speaker 2: of a woman exploring her bisexuality versus a man exploring. His,
Speaker 2: bisexuality obviously a lot of that is about, PORN culture
Speaker 2: a lot of that is about, you know, you know
Speaker 2: straight male fantasies and. So there, you know that's a that's.
Speaker 2: Another CONVERSATION but i do hope that as we talk
Speaker 2: and we, you know show, more representation that we, allow
Speaker 2: people especially the, by men to fuck well other men
Speaker 2: and like not have it, be oh you're, Gay now it's,
Speaker 2: like no They're, by literally that is what. Bisexuality is
Speaker 2: they like men and they like what men. They like
Speaker 2: you know? That, anyways yeah does it? Make sense? Are
Speaker 2: y'all are y'all? FOLLOWING me i can only imagine the
Speaker 2: mental aerobics of, that though navigating, you know if you're
Speaker 2: a by man inside of a hetero, presenting relationship and
Speaker 2: let me Know if i'm saying, That correctly if you're
Speaker 2: by it and you're feeling some kind of foosball around me, naming,
Speaker 2: it that please do let. Me KNOW but I do
Speaker 2: i'm curious about the chance to explore your that part of,
Speaker 2: your bisexuality that that color of your, sexual orientation and
Speaker 2: the mental aerobics navigating people who then dismiss you when they,
Speaker 2: find out like a gay man dismissing a by man
Speaker 2: once he finds out that that by man is currently
Speaker 2: in a relationship with, a woman and not having to
Speaker 2: do with the monogamy or the polyamory or the openness,
Speaker 2: of it because, you know guys be fucking all, the
Speaker 2: time whether you're in a relationship or, not monogamous, not sorry,
Speaker 2: not monogaous but like whether the person is single or
Speaker 2: has a partner, or not that's usually not a not always,
Speaker 2: a hiccup but if the hiccup, is well the partner
Speaker 2: that you have as. A woman i don't Know what
Speaker 2: i'm saying. About this i'm just curious about that and
Speaker 2: curious about HOW to i don't know if it mitigate is.
Speaker 2: A Word maybe i'm curious about my own feelings, About
Speaker 2: that LIKE would i have feelings about? A partner let
Speaker 2: me think, through this what are my? True feelings obviously
Speaker 2: at this point in my, HOE journey, i wouldn't just
Speaker 2: because OF what. I Know but i'm wondering if if
Speaker 2: a younger version of myself would have. Taken issue and
Speaker 2: what the issue WOULD be i think it, Would BE
Speaker 2: if i can, BE honest i think it WOULD be
Speaker 2: i don't know or have it historically known a lot
Speaker 2: around women and. Their sexuality and even though this person
Speaker 2: is not asking me to have sex with their female
Speaker 2: partner or be in any kind of relationship, WITH them
Speaker 2: i feel give. Us out in, REAL time i would.
Speaker 2: Feel hesitation and what is that? Hesitation? ABOUT huh i
Speaker 2: KNOW that i know that there would, be Hesitation but
Speaker 2: i'm actually not sure what that hesitation would. Be about
Speaker 2: it's Not like i'm being asked to play with the,
Speaker 2: female partner but there's something about them having a. Female
Speaker 2: partner what is a thing that would bring? Me pause
Speaker 2: if a bisexual man who is married to a woman
Speaker 2: would have approached me in my, younger years what is
Speaker 2: the thing that would bring? Me, pause well in being
Speaker 2: completely transparent on not proud, of this but, you listen
Speaker 2: we'll have. OUR journeys i think that my relationship to
Speaker 2: my sexuality was really harmful in. MY twenties i grew
Speaker 2: up Watching like Will, and grace and if you, go back,
Speaker 2: YOU know i can say a lot of great Things
Speaker 2: about Will. And grace but if you, go back like
Speaker 2: a lot of those shows had some not great bisexual
Speaker 2: jokes right where it's like bisexuality is a bridge to.
Speaker 2: Being gay AND so i grew up in, a culture
Speaker 2: as a lot of, us did that did not take,
Speaker 2: bisexuality seriously AND so i think part of my hesitation
Speaker 2: in my younger years would be are you gay but
Speaker 2: you're actually with? This woman and is THIS some? Dl
Speaker 2: whatever and so that might have brought up, my hesitation
Speaker 2: which is unfair and, YOU know i know, better now but,
Speaker 2: you know when you, know better you. Do better but
Speaker 2: that would have definitely been some of the book that
Speaker 2: would have been. In there and then perhaps even if
Speaker 2: there was an accepting of by sexuality but they're being a,
Speaker 2: FEMALE partner i WONDER if i would have felt like
Speaker 2: my own gayness. Was compromised does that? Make, sense like, you,
Speaker 2: know working, you know if you're in the closet and
Speaker 2: you finally come out and, You're like i'm Out and
Speaker 2: i'm proud and you've worked to get to that pride
Speaker 2: by The way i'm, Saying THIS and i don't think
Speaker 2: that it's. WHAT'S sorry i don't think that it's, a
Speaker 2: TRUTH but i can understand the narrative in, my head
Speaker 2: which would, have, been Oh now i'm with this guy
Speaker 2: who has. A WIFE am i not? As gay? Just
Speaker 2: such and when you say it, out, loud, right like
Speaker 2: this Is what, I'm saying like we have these things in,
Speaker 2: our head but we don't say it, out loud so
Speaker 2: it's in our head and then we operate. From it
Speaker 2: but when you say it, out loud it sounds to,
Speaker 2: me crazy like that woman is not compromising my gayness.
Speaker 2: At all i'm fucking her husband and he's, fucking me
Speaker 2: like what like she not even involved, In it and
Speaker 2: even if, she was like it doesn't doesn't compromise HOW
Speaker 2: gay i am or. Am NOT but i think that
Speaker 2: that might have been playing underneath. The surface So again
Speaker 2: i'll pose the question. To you if you are a,
Speaker 2: you know a gay man or a, gay woman if like,
Speaker 2: you know what if you're if a by woman came
Speaker 2: to you but she had, a husband would you feel
Speaker 2: some kind of resistance? Or hesitation if if if you're
Speaker 2: a gay man and a by man comes to you
Speaker 2: and he has, a wife which you feel some kind
Speaker 2: of hesitation not around them having, another, partner right because
Speaker 2: that could, be hesitation but that their partner is of the,
Speaker 2: opposite sex would that? Would that would that give? You hesitation?
Speaker 2: Or pause and do you? Know why and if, you
Speaker 2: don't this is a lovely time to DO what i,
Speaker 2: just did which is try and like figure out inside,
Speaker 2: of you like what is? The? Thing what what is
Speaker 2: what is? The block and is the block yours or
Speaker 2: something you adopted, from culture, from media? From community is
Speaker 2: this your own personal resistance or is this something that some,
Speaker 2: you heard you witnessed and you have adopted as your
Speaker 2: own this concept of you may not want to? Fuck?
Speaker 2: Up right johnaga was talking about not wanting to lead
Speaker 2: somebody on or feeling like a fraud because IT'S like,
Speaker 2: i have, you know this, other PARTNER or i have a,
Speaker 2: female partner so when he's, talking about, you know same
Speaker 2: sex kind. Of FLIRTING but i really do believe that
Speaker 2: we're gonna have to all let ourselves off the hook
Speaker 2: as we explore our our our our, sexual journeys our,
Speaker 2: love journeys our, dating journeys that we're gonna probably get some,
Speaker 2: things wrong that we won't be perfect out of, the
Speaker 2: gate especially since there's not really a blueprint when you
Speaker 2: start getting into especially a sexual or exploration inside of, non,
Speaker 2: monogamy polyamory, open relationships there's not there's not a ton
Speaker 2: of information, out there let alone in sex. In General
Speaker 2: right like there's there's not a lot of information the
Speaker 2: or a lot of investment in creating these studies and
Speaker 2: the resources that we all know how to talk about
Speaker 2: sex and the different facets. Of it so a lot
Speaker 2: of us are figuring this out by trial, and error
Speaker 2: which means that you will. Fuck UP so i think
Speaker 2: the only thing you can really, control is, you know
Speaker 2: repairing when there's, a rupture apologizing if you, need to
Speaker 2: if you know you get, something, wrong communicating being transparent
Speaker 2: as you can with people to kind of let them
Speaker 2: know where, you are and also saying when you don't
Speaker 2: know something or when you're figuring something, else out. You
Speaker 2: know i've had RELATIONSHIPS where, i, have uh, you know
Speaker 2: messed up in sort of COMMUNICATING because i just, DIDN'T
Speaker 2: know i didn't know something to, communicate it didn't know
Speaker 2: how to, do BETTER or i didn't it was a
Speaker 2: new situation. For ME so i also didn't know how
Speaker 2: my body was going. To REACT and i don't mean
Speaker 2: my Like my i'm not talking about. Like genitals i'm
Speaker 2: talking about like my, nervous system how it, would react
Speaker 2: AND so i didn't necessarily always handle it in the.
Speaker 2: BEST way i might have gone into, protective mode and to,
Speaker 2: PROTECT myself i tend to, pull AWAY and i might
Speaker 2: have pulled away without, Communicating right and so it's it's.
Speaker 2: A version IT'S something i wouldn't, do now, you know
Speaker 2: at you Know when I'm when i'm. Recording this i'm
Speaker 2: recording this On, on monday the twenty Eighth. OF april
Speaker 2: i wouldn't do, it now but a version of me
Speaker 2: two or three years ago might have and HAS because
Speaker 2: i didn't. Know better AND so i think we we
Speaker 2: have to give ourselves grace that we're gonna. Fuck up,
Speaker 2: but well when you, know better you. Do better as,
Speaker 2: THEY say i really also enjoyed the nuance of it's
Speaker 2: not always. About sex it's about sometimes blirting and wanting
Speaker 2: to just go to a gay club and dance and
Speaker 2: be danced on and feel like your eyes. ARE PRETTY
Speaker 2: i i uh that that is an exploration of, one
Speaker 2: sexuality which IS why, i say like to, you know
Speaker 2: the the wearing. The uniform it's, like yeah, like sex
Speaker 2: it's not about. Just sex like you don't have to
Speaker 2: to to fuck to to have your bisexuality or your
Speaker 2: pan sexuality or your, whatever stamped, your gayness your lesbian.
Speaker 2: Hood stamped it doesn't always require you. To fuck it
Speaker 2: can be in. The flirting it's in the fact that
Speaker 2: you know that you're attracted to somebody or you want
Speaker 2: to be flirted with you. YOU desire i think it's
Speaker 2: about the. Desire ultimately in talking about polyamory and Talking
Speaker 2: About john michael and his wife and, HIS girlfriend i.
Speaker 2: REALLY uh i think he was talking about his mom
Speaker 2: and assuming when someone is polyamorous there's a problem in,
Speaker 2: their relationship why would you need A third? I do?
Speaker 2: YOU know i feel. THAT energy i received that energy
Speaker 2: a bit having, two partners having One that i've, been with, you,
Speaker 2: know married and, this like why are there multiple partners in?
Speaker 2: My relationship. We don't we're not, a thriple, You know
Speaker 2: MATTHEW and i. Date separately but it's not that there's.
Speaker 2: A problem i do agree that one person can't fulfill all,
Speaker 2: your needs but monogamy can still absolutely work. For you,
Speaker 2: for me polyamory is because that blueprint works better FOR
Speaker 2: how i want to fulfill my needs AND how i
Speaker 2: want to be, in relationship the kind of PARTNER that
Speaker 2: i want, to be and the kind of PARTNERSHIPS that
Speaker 2: i want. To have, polyamorate works but it's Not because matthew.
Speaker 2: Wasn't enough matthew. IS incredible i have a, YOU know
Speaker 2: i FEEL like i have a really jackpot husband and
Speaker 2: partner who IS who i, you know trust with my
Speaker 2: entire fucking life and can't say enough things ABOUT how
Speaker 2: i admire and respect and adore and love him and
Speaker 2: he satisfies a lot. For me, but polyamory for both,
Speaker 2: of us still felt like a a thing that fit
Speaker 2: who we are as individuals and who we are as
Speaker 2: a as a as. A partnership but it wasn't a
Speaker 2: sign that something was wrong. Between us and so just,
Speaker 2: you know, if you if you just for those of
Speaker 2: you who are wetting your your your tongue is whetting
Speaker 2: your appetite or like getting to know about what non
Speaker 2: monogamy and, Polyambry is i'd, like to, you know just
Speaker 2: remind you and remember that it doesn't mean that there's,
Speaker 2: A problem it doesn't mean there's. Something wrong it's just
Speaker 2: about desires and whether or not that is a desire,
Speaker 2: of yours and whether or not that works for the relationship.
Speaker 2: You're In When don michael said it took a while
Speaker 2: for him to tell others about, their POLYAMORY which i think.
Speaker 2: IS okay i think privacy is a, beautiful thing and
Speaker 2: we've talked about that on. The show the difference between privacy,
Speaker 2: and secrecy and secrecy Being like i'm hiding SOMETHING that
Speaker 2: I know i'm supposed to, tell you whereas privacy is,
Speaker 2: you know this is something that, we're nurturing and this
Speaker 2: is something that belongs to me, or us and we'll
Speaker 2: share it at the right time when it makes sense
Speaker 2: or at the time that. Feels best but their privacy
Speaker 2: is important sometimes. For us we were very private about
Speaker 2: our polyamory and our. Open relationship actually before, even polyamory
Speaker 2: we were very private about it because we didn't want
Speaker 2: other people's opinions. On it we didn't want other people
Speaker 2: to persuade or influence how we were feeling about this
Speaker 2: thing that we're doing with, their judgment because we do
Speaker 2: value our friends out value the, family's opinions but we
Speaker 2: didn't want their lack, of information which might make them
Speaker 2: critical or judgmental to influence how we, approached it and
Speaker 2: so it felt like privacy and keeping it private until
Speaker 2: we felt confident and comfortable. In it then. We share
Speaker 2: and THAT'S how i feel, about, Anything right like, you
Speaker 2: KNOW anything i share.
Speaker 3: With you.
Speaker 2: I've PROCESSED but i purposely do not share certain things
Speaker 2: that happen in my life and in my WORLD because
Speaker 2: i need time to KNOW what i feel about it
Speaker 2: AND how i think, about it AND so i keep.
Speaker 2: It private and then when it feels READY and i
Speaker 2: FEEL like i Know what i'm not that it can't,
Speaker 2: be shifted BUT like i KNOW that i HAVE a pov,
Speaker 2: ON it i have a stance, on It then i'm
Speaker 2: down to share because, you know you could tell me
Speaker 2: all the things that you feel, about IT but i
Speaker 2: don't have to. Adopt IT but i know that there's
Speaker 2: a stage where we will adopt what other, people think
Speaker 2: and so be private when you need. TO be i
Speaker 2: love that we love you enough to tell you this
Speaker 2: thing that we know is initially. GONNA suck i love
Speaker 2: YOU and i don't want to have secrets. With you
Speaker 2: love in its fantasy is smooth, and easy and you
Speaker 2: know everyone is. Always happy but love in reality, is
Speaker 2: work and there are, those sweet, beautiful moments but then
Speaker 2: there are those hard moments where you have to reveal
Speaker 2: more about yourself where you have. To share we have to,
Speaker 2: be vulnerable and sometimes you're not met with the most
Speaker 2: compassion in, that vulnerability or or you're not accepted inside of.
Speaker 2: That vulnerability but, YOU know i think love requires transparent
Speaker 2: conversations and saying things that may not be easy. To
Speaker 2: hear and As You john, michael said conversations with your
Speaker 2: family is like. Baking bread sometimes you're following the recipe
Speaker 2: and it comes out, fucked up but over time you
Speaker 2: have the chance to make that loaf again. And again
Speaker 2: and so all that, to say if you're struggling to
Speaker 2: share something with your family or share a part, OF
Speaker 2: yourself i think. IT'S okay i think it's okay to
Speaker 2: for it to not. Go, perfectly obviously if your safety
Speaker 2: or anything, is compromised, you know use your discretion about what.
Speaker 2: You share but if it's, just, like oh they're going to,
Speaker 2: be mad or they're gonna have misgivings or, be judgmental
Speaker 2: then you know there's there's a there's a space to work,
Speaker 2: through that and there's a space To say i'm sharing
Speaker 2: THIS because i love you AND because i want you
Speaker 2: to know this side. Of me and if you really
Speaker 2: are interested in KNOWING who, i am then this is
Speaker 2: part OF who. I am and if, you're not and
Speaker 2: if you have family or friends who are not interested
Speaker 2: in knowing who, you are then it might be a
Speaker 2: bit of a time to establish some new boundaries, for
Speaker 2: yourself because you deserve to be around peopleeople who want
Speaker 2: to know who, you are even if it's going to,
Speaker 2: be challenging even if it challenges their ideas or their views.
Speaker 2: On things you deserve that space to, be yourself to
Speaker 2: not have to hold back who. You are the world
Speaker 2: will make you hold back so much as, it is
Speaker 2: and it's already. Scary enough so with, your friends, your family,
Speaker 2: your community, my god if you can't be yourself, with
Speaker 2: them where can you? Be, Yourself love you should be
Speaker 2: able to be yourself with those who are closest, to
Speaker 2: you and, if not then we gotta find a. New,
Speaker 2: family okay we got to find a. New community yeah, fuck.
Speaker 2: Yeah awesome by, the way as you well know at,
Speaker 2: this point but if, you're new this is the first
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Speaker 2: happening in, my life both personal. And professional and this,
Speaker 2: last Week which i'm gonna play a clip, from you
Speaker 2: is a little MORE vulnerable I. Met bun if you're,
Speaker 2: New here bun is my, other PARTNER and i met
Speaker 2: his mom for the, first, time uh and it was wonderful,
Speaker 2: and lovely but also unexpectedly emotional, for me as it
Speaker 2: brought up some stuff around my. Own mom and so
Speaker 2: let me play you a little clip. From that and
Speaker 2: it's NOT like i don't want to meet moms, or
Speaker 2: WHATEVER but i realized or, recognize THAT like i don't
Speaker 2: know how to, always ACT and i get a little
Speaker 2: hy maybe it's the, word, shy, tense. Nervous ANXIOUS and
Speaker 2: i realized THIS, because i, you know one of my
Speaker 2: one of my friends out here very close to his
Speaker 2: mom and so like hoping his mom to our dinners
Speaker 2: and stuff, like THAT and i, love HER but i
Speaker 2: noticed That sometimes, I'M like i don't know how, to
Speaker 2: act and IT'S because i just haven't been around my
Speaker 2: own mother in, fifteen years and, SO like i don't
Speaker 2: know how to act around. People's moms it's very. Very
Speaker 2: STRONG so i, WAS like i don't know what feelings will,
Speaker 2: come Up but, i'm EXCITED but i just want you,
Speaker 2: to know you, know that LIKE after i might just
Speaker 2: have to like go to. The gym to work out.
Speaker 2: Or whatnot he, was like no worries. At all. You're good.
Speaker 2: You're good, so anyways we, hung out got to. Know,
Speaker 2: her uh, she's phenomenal. The sweetest she was worrying a,
Speaker 2: rainbow bracelet which she was like she hasn't taken off
Speaker 2: the last. Two years was, so supportive wanted to take
Speaker 2: photos of Me. And bun wanted to take photos with Me.
Speaker 2: And bun and then we went to the grove and
Speaker 2: we're walking around and you're just like, kee king. You know,
Speaker 2: she was, you know got my pronouns wrong a couple,
Speaker 2: of times but it, Was like i'm. So sorry i'm gonna.
Speaker 2: Get BETTER and i, was like don't worry like you're
Speaker 2: YOU'RE using i, always say any pronouns, USE respect i
Speaker 2: love and prefer, they them but any pronouns of. RESPECT
Speaker 2: respect i, was like we, Haven't met, you're like this is.
Speaker 2: All new, She's like i'm she like, so sweetly like
Speaker 2: pulled me like clutched arms and me, WAS like i
Speaker 2: will get. It right i'm like almost gonna get emotional. About.
Speaker 3: IT ooh.
Speaker 2: I, was like oh, my god WHY?
Speaker 3: Am i.
Speaker 2: Oh, my god not me? Tearing, up yeah she like
Speaker 2: pulled me aside and, SHE'S like i, promise something get.
Speaker 3: It right.
Speaker 2: YOU know i, was like don't even worry. About it
Speaker 2: but like the fact that she cared that much and
Speaker 2: and caught herself like didn't, you know like didn't need to,
Speaker 2: be prompted just WAS like i was really meaningful. To. Me,
Speaker 2: yeah girl it, was EMOTIONAL but i learned, a, Lot
Speaker 2: uh AND so i wanted to share that with you because,
Speaker 2: you know you thinking about polyamory is one thing which
Speaker 2: we've obviously talked about a lot on this particular Episode With.
Speaker 2: John michael but you know when you start, involving uh
Speaker 2: not just, your parents but your, partner's, parents uh and, realizing,
Speaker 2: that like oh, my god there are now my in
Speaker 2: laws and now my other. Partner's, family like there's a
Speaker 2: lot of a lot, of things a lot of things.
Speaker 2: To navigate AND so i wanted to talk that through
Speaker 2: in a, very imperfect. Messy WAY so i hope you'll check.
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