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Speaker 1: Hey, this is Buck Sexton and you're listening to the

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Speaker 1: Tutor Dixon Podcast, part of the Clay Travers and Buck

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Speaker 2: Welcome to the Tutor Dixon Podcast. I'm Tutor Dixon, and

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Speaker 2: I'm excited that you're joining me today. I am I

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Speaker 2: have a special guest with me, and so you know

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Speaker 2: a little bit of background on me. I know a

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Speaker 2: lot of you feel like you have seen me a lot,

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Speaker 2: but maybe you don't know a whole lot about me personally.

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Speaker 2: And I'm sort of one of those people that talks

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Speaker 2: to anyone no matter where I am, and people can

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Speaker 2: find that somewhat annoying or just odd. One day, you

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Speaker 2: probably hear us talk about Sarah a lot because Sarah

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Speaker 2: helps out with podcasts, and she's looking at me right now.

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Speaker 2: I can see like, what are you about to say?

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Speaker 2: And I am going to tell a story about sort of,

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Speaker 2: I mean, not really about her. So one day we

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Speaker 2: that there's all this alien talk going on, right, so

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Speaker 2: This guy is clearly like really into the aliens, right,

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Speaker 2: So I was like, what do you think are the

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Speaker 2: Why would you just randomly talk to people. But that's

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Speaker 2: out with me, out and about with me. So last

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Speaker 2: the gentleman who is taking care of us our server

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Speaker 2: Which I love that he's struck up this conversation with us.

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Speaker 2: Started talking to him. Turns out he's this super interesting

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Speaker 2: curious about because we like to call him an independent,

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Speaker 2: and you know, an independent is someone that people are

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Speaker 2: all wanting to find. Right, everybody in the political world

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Speaker 2: is like, what do the independents think? Because we on

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Speaker 2: And he was so cool that he was willing to

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Speaker 2: is like, but James, thank you for agreeing to do this.

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Speaker 1: Oh, it is my absolute pleasure. We had a wonderful conversation.

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Speaker 2: You started talking about your politics, and you started talking

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Speaker 1: Well, I'm born as well, the same way that you

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Speaker 2: So get into that a little bit. What do you

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Speaker 1: In regards to conservatives, in regards to moral values, that's

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Speaker 2: call I mean, this is what you hear people talking

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Speaker 2: about when you hear people talking about the swamp, because

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Speaker 2: it's like those people that are not elected, they have

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Speaker 2: no term limit. It's the people that work in the

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Speaker 2: White House, that work in Washington, d C. They are

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Speaker 2: all this is their job, right. So this is the

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Speaker 2: establishment that comes out and says, this is our candidate.

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Speaker 2: Because we're with him, We're going to stick with him.

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Speaker 2: And this is on both sides. This is not something

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Speaker 2: that is unique to Joe Biden. This is how we

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Speaker 2: end up with congressmen and women who are in there

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Speaker 2: for way too long. All of these people that have

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Speaker 2: been staying in government offices for what we think is

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Speaker 2: longer than probably their mental capacity should be there, I

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Speaker 2: believe is the people around them that create this world.

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Speaker 2: And I do think that you make a really good point.

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Speaker 2: Why aren't they coming Why isn't somebody coming forward and

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Speaker 2: saying this is the person. I mean, You've clearly got

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Speaker 2: Gavin Newsom out there saying I'm willing to step in,

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Speaker 2: and you've got Gretchen Whitmer saying I'm willing to step in.

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Speaker 2: There are certainly other Democrats who would love to jump in.

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Speaker 2: So it does seem like why is this not happening,

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Speaker 2: But I suspect it is the people behind the scenes

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Speaker 2: that are really running things. He's like, you know, the

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Speaker 2: Manchurian candidate.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, then when you go to the other side and

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Speaker 1: we have Trump on the other side, and he's a

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Speaker 1: caricature of himself often times, and he did not bring

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Speaker 1: the country together. He has a lot of claims. Some

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Speaker 1: of the claims are true, other claims I would find

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Speaker 1: not to be true. But he did not bring the

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Speaker 1: country together. And that reason. The person that I'm leaning

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Speaker 1: towards now is somebody who only has seven percent of

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Speaker 1: seven to eight percent of the votes, is Vivic Ramaswami,

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Speaker 1: And I look at him as somebody who is honest.

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Speaker 1: I look at him as someone who it's like, you

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Speaker 1: take what I believe is the good in Trump, you

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Speaker 1: take that and you add kindness to it. And that's why.

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Speaker 1: And that's one of the first things that you and

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Speaker 1: I we spoke about at the restaurant, is that that's

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Speaker 1: an individual that I can see myself behind, which is

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Speaker 1: interesting because he's not a Christian and I'm one hundred

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Speaker 1: percent Christian and I believe that through and through. But

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Speaker 1: I see just the main concern for me, is he

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Speaker 1: going to stop Christianity from advancing? And I can see

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Speaker 1: other I can see with Republicans Christianity could be misconceived,

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Speaker 1: people don't see it exactly what it is. And then

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Speaker 1: with Democrats it tries to be suppressed. But I'll also

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Speaker 1: add this, and this is for well conservatives who are Christian.

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Speaker 1: It's our job, it's our obligation. It's our biblical mandate

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Speaker 1: to pray for our president, not only to judge, not

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Speaker 1: only to ridicule, but to actually pray for him. There

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Speaker 1: is a time where Peter in the Bible, during the

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Speaker 1: time of Nero, which was somebody who would make Hitler

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Speaker 1: look like a saying he said, honor the king. And

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Speaker 1: we live in a democracy and we vote people and

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Speaker 1: as opposed to a king being placed. But I do

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Speaker 1: believe it's still our obligation. I believe it's my obligation

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Speaker 1: to pray for my mayor, to pray for my governor,

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Speaker 1: to pray for my president, and not to say Trump

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Speaker 1: is my president. That's not a Christian thing to do,

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Speaker 1: that's not a godly thing to do. When Trump is

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Speaker 1: messing up, we say, let's pray for him. When Bush

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Speaker 1: is messing up, we say, let's pray for him. But

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Speaker 1: when Biden or when Obama, when they're messing up, it's

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Speaker 1: time to ridicule. I think Christians we need to take

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Speaker 1: take it up a notch.

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Speaker 2: That's interesting. I mean, it's true when when I was

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Speaker 2: in the campaign, there were nights when we were saying

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Speaker 2: our prayers and we would say prayers for Gretchen Whitmer

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Speaker 2: and my girls. I remember one night, my twins they

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Speaker 2: were like, why would you pray for her? And it

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Speaker 2: was one of those teachable moments. They said, you know,

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Speaker 2: this is what we're called to do. We're called to

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Speaker 2: pray for our leaders. Right now, she is the governor

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Speaker 2: of the state, and we pray for our leaders. And

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Speaker 2: I think that's important. You know, when I was growing up,

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Speaker 2: no matter who was president, there was this honor that

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Speaker 2: that position held, that you were to respect that position.

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Speaker 2: And I think that again when you say this country

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Speaker 2: seems very divided right now, that just innate honor and

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Speaker 2: respect has fallen to the wayside. And you know, obviously

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Speaker 2: a lot of people are very concerned about what is

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Speaker 2: happening in the White House right now for the reasons

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Speaker 2: you mentioned, but there's also a question of wait a minute,

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Speaker 2: what actually it transpired when this man was vice president?

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Speaker 2: Could there have been other things happening. Regardless of those things,

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Speaker 2: it is the position that we say, this is our president,

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Speaker 2: this is the president of the United States. They have

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Speaker 2: a lot on their shoulders, and we as a community

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Speaker 2: lift that person in prayer no matter what.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, And that's what I do when I pray for

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Speaker 1: the president. I pray for him. I pray for his wife,

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Speaker 1: I pray for his cabinet. I pray for the people

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Speaker 1: who are whispering in his ear all day long. Those

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Speaker 1: are the people that they need to be guided by

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Speaker 1: God just as much as he does. But if we're

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Speaker 1: only going to throw stones at him, we're not going

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Speaker 1: to go anywhere. And no matter who we want to

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Speaker 1: be in office, no matter who we want to be elected,

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Speaker 1: it's not going to be okay if we're throwing stones now.

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Speaker 1: And one of the biggest things that I've heard a

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Speaker 1: minister say during the twenty twenty election, it says, no

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Speaker 1: matter who wins, America losers because we're going to be

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Speaker 1: more divided than the last three years. That's exactly what

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Speaker 1: it's been.

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Speaker 2: It'll be interesting though to see because you are talking

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Speaker 2: about Viveke. Other people have been talking about Viveke in

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Speaker 2: a different way. He is very I think what you

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Speaker 2: said struck me because you said he just comes off

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Speaker 2: very honest. And I think that you say that because

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Speaker 2: politicians are so guarded, and he has not been guarded.

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Speaker 2: He has been very open with like, this is what

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Speaker 2: I've seen. This is as an Indian American, this is

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Speaker 2: what I've seen as a businessman, this is what I've seen.

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Speaker 2: And when people try to crush what he said, he's

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Speaker 2: also incredibly intelligent. So he comes back and he says, well,

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Speaker 2: this is where I'm coming from. Just so you know,

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Speaker 2: whereas most politicians shut down, they have talking points, they're

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Speaker 2: very robotic about things because you have to be careful.

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Speaker 2: You're always careful of who not to offend. And yet

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Speaker 2: somehow he has come out into this and folks like

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Speaker 2: yourself are like, I like this guy. I actually like

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Speaker 2: the idea of someone who's not trying to blame me

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Speaker 2: in some way.

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Speaker 1: Yeah. No, I like you said, he comes across very honest.

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Speaker 1: He looks like he's responsible financially, looks like he could

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Speaker 1: be trusted. There are some question marks that I have

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Speaker 1: about him. But it's still early in the campaign trail,

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Speaker 1: and I think that things will find their way to

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Speaker 1: exactly where they need to be. But if I'm left

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Speaker 1: with Trump and Biden as the main candidates to go for,

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Speaker 1: I completely think that I'm going to find someone that

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Speaker 1: will get a thousand votes or five thousand votes at most,

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Speaker 1: somebody who lines up with my beliefs as well.

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Speaker 2: Well. Interesting, that is very interesting. Well, I really feel

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Speaker 2: like we have to have you come back when it

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Speaker 2: gets closer to the election. I know, I hear what

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Speaker 2: you're saying about Vivek, and you're learning there are some

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Speaker 2: things that may be red flags. I think that's the

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Speaker 2: interesting part about this is that we have to remember

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Speaker 2: this is not a God. You're not voting for a god.

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Speaker 2: This is not someone that comes down and is given

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Speaker 2: to you by God. You're voting for a person. And

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Speaker 2: so I thought, I find that fascinating because you know

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Speaker 2: there are things that aren't perfect, but you're still willing

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Speaker 2: to listen and stay there and say okay, I'll hear

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Speaker 2: you out. And that's where as Americans we need to

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Speaker 2: start saying there is no perfect answer, because we are

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Speaker 2: not perfect. We're falling, and so there is not a

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Speaker 2: perfect answer. We have to look for the best and

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Speaker 2: then continue to live the way we are called to

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Speaker 2: live as Christians. Or you know, if you're not a Christian,

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Speaker 2: then you live the way you are called to by

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Speaker 2: your faith. I mean, for us, it is the Lord

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Speaker 2: that leads us. And the Lord is never going to

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Speaker 2: be crowned as king here on the ground in the

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Speaker 2: White House. That's not how that's going to work.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, And I think that that's a full expectation that

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Speaker 1: we have, is that we're going to make America literally

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Speaker 1: God's country. When countries have tried to do that before,

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Speaker 1: and they duel with blood, and they with blood being shed,

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Speaker 1: and that was never Jesus's way. It was Jesus' way

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Speaker 1: so much to the point where he could have got

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Speaker 1: himself out the cross, but he chose not to. He

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Speaker 1: chose to stop Peter who had a sword, and he

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Speaker 1: also chose to to choose not to call ten thousand

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Speaker 1: angels to come and rescue him, but he went through it.

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Speaker 1: I think that America will be in great hands with

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Speaker 1: when Christians start to sincerely pray not for a Republican

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Speaker 1: party to to be the dominant party, but one Christians

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Speaker 1: sincerely play and pray that God be inside of every

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Speaker 1: single office that is out there.

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Speaker 2: It's just so glad that I met you. I mean,

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Speaker 2: this has been fascinating. It's so nice to hear from you,

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Speaker 2: and I think it's really nice for people to hear

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Speaker 2: this perspective that you're not I'm this, I'm that. It's

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Speaker 2: it's just very it's been a great conversation. James Holly,

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Speaker 2: thank you so much for coming on the podcast today.

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Speaker 1: Very much. It's my absolute pleasure. If I could just

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Speaker 1: say one last thing, Yeah, Republicans, Democrats and liberals, conservatives,

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Speaker 1: let's have conversations together, and let's not beat each other up,

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Speaker 1: but rather let's try to lift each other up and

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Speaker 1: hopefully we can learn something from each other because there's

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Speaker 1: a lot of things that democrats have to teach Republicans,

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Speaker 1: and there's a lot of things Republicans have to teach

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Speaker 1: democrats as well.

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Speaker 2: I could not agree more. Thank you so much, and

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Speaker 2: thank you, thank you, thank you all for joining us

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Speaker 2: on the Tutor Dixon Podcast. As always, for this episode

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Speaker 2: a blessing,