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Speaker 1: One of the things that I've taught over the years

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Speaker 2: Alongside him is Sterling K. Brown, the Emmy winning actor

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Speaker 3: A black man is currently blessing. It's a deeper shade

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Speaker 2: From faith, to fatherhood to forgiveness. They share the turning

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Speaker 1: And forgiveness is not condoning bad behavior from another person.

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Speaker 2: Join host Martin Luther King the Third, Andrea Waters, King,

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Speaker 1: Who live in you look at the world as it

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Speaker 4: Welcome to my legacy. Today, we're joined by one of

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Speaker 4: Reverend beckwith, would you mind introducing who's your plus one today?

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Speaker 1: A plus one you're looking at, Brother Sterling K. Brown

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Speaker 3: Bless you, bless you all, thank you all for having me.

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Speaker 1: Beautiful description of a gape man in your experience as beautiful.

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Speaker 1: Sure that down the line that impressed me spiritually and psychologically,

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Speaker 5: Well, one thing our listeners, can you know, Our intention

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Speaker 3: Yeah it is, Yeah, yeah, rever Becka.

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Speaker 4: I love the origin story. In fact, I was actually

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Speaker 5: Now back to my legacy, and I know that so

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Speaker 5: We're gonna I'm gonna go to phenomenal women because I

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Speaker 1: They profit after the cell of armaments. You know, women

438
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Speaker 1: have a tendency to bring people together in community. They're

439
00:23:31,680 --> 00:23:34,879
Speaker 1: not gonna a woman a mother, and everyone does have

440
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Speaker 1: to be a mother to have this, to have this frequency.

441
00:23:38,119 --> 00:23:40,959
Speaker 1: But she's not gonna love one child more than she

442
00:23:41,040 --> 00:23:44,800
Speaker 1: loves another child. She's always created a community. And I

443
00:23:44,840 --> 00:23:49,199
Speaker 1: think with the rise of the feminine in women, and

444
00:23:50,040 --> 00:23:54,359
Speaker 1: you'll see a different world. You won't see the my

445
00:23:54,480 --> 00:23:57,879
Speaker 1: country first, my country right or wrong consciousness. You'll see

446
00:23:58,359 --> 00:24:01,840
Speaker 1: you know, as you're as as his father talked about.

447
00:24:02,040 --> 00:24:04,240
Speaker 1: You know, this is a global community.

448
00:24:04,320 --> 00:24:05,760
Speaker 3: We're all world citizens.

449
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Speaker 1: And I think women bring that kind of nurturing compassion

450
00:24:10,119 --> 00:24:12,680
Speaker 1: because they don't see just separate parts.

451
00:24:12,960 --> 00:24:13,840
Speaker 3: They see the whole.

452
00:24:14,160 --> 00:24:17,280
Speaker 1: They see family, they see community, and I think that

453
00:24:17,359 --> 00:24:20,360
Speaker 1: is extremely important, particularly at this time in human history

454
00:24:20,720 --> 00:24:23,200
Speaker 1: where where it could be on the verge of another

455
00:24:23,280 --> 00:24:29,560
Speaker 1: war based on a saber rattling and might makes right consciousness,

456
00:24:29,640 --> 00:24:38,240
Speaker 1: which is an old masculine frequency. And so women, you know,

457
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Speaker 1: I don't want to be stereotypical, but they have a

458
00:24:41,000 --> 00:24:47,000
Speaker 1: very strong vibration of caretaking. They caretake, they want to

459
00:24:47,000 --> 00:24:51,399
Speaker 1: bring peace, you see. And sometimes the masculine energy is

460
00:24:51,440 --> 00:24:56,840
Speaker 1: more led by an individual in the rough individualism, which

461
00:24:56,840 --> 00:24:59,680
Speaker 1: can create separation, and we see that on the national

462
00:24:59,720 --> 00:25:03,640
Speaker 1: internet scene at this time. So, you know, I always

463
00:25:03,680 --> 00:25:07,280
Speaker 1: tell people you know, uh, they'll be I say, you

464
00:25:07,880 --> 00:25:11,440
Speaker 1: listen to your women. You know, she noticed something. She's

465
00:25:11,480 --> 00:25:14,600
Speaker 1: catching something intuitively, you know, Nick and Martin look at

466
00:25:14,600 --> 00:25:15,080
Speaker 1: his wife.

467
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Speaker 5: I thought that it was very fascinating recently that the

468
00:25:22,280 --> 00:25:26,640
Speaker 5: Godfather of Ai, you know, made headlines by saying that

469
00:25:26,840 --> 00:25:30,760
Speaker 5: AI can be saved and only can be saved by

470
00:25:30,800 --> 00:25:35,399
Speaker 5: some type of way, integrating maternal instinct into it. And

471
00:25:35,440 --> 00:25:38,760
Speaker 5: so I think that there's a lot of wisdom in that.

472
00:25:38,800 --> 00:25:40,399
Speaker 5: I think it is time for all of us to

473
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Speaker 5: fight like mothers and rather like you said, like whether

474
00:25:44,480 --> 00:25:46,600
Speaker 5: you have a physical child or not, but you know,

475
00:25:46,680 --> 00:25:49,359
Speaker 5: to fight with that sense of unity, with that sense

476
00:25:49,400 --> 00:25:52,000
Speaker 5: of for the community, with the sense of compassion, with

477
00:25:52,080 --> 00:25:55,840
Speaker 5: that sense of ferociousness but protectiveness, with that sense of creation,

478
00:25:55,960 --> 00:25:59,280
Speaker 5: with that sense of looking not only remembering seven generations past,

479
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Speaker 5: but looking seven generations forward, with the nurturing.

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Speaker 3: And I often hear the Rev talking about, you know,

481
00:26:05,480 --> 00:26:11,680
Speaker 3: everyone embracing the divine, feminine feminine within themselves, right male

482
00:26:12,080 --> 00:26:15,040
Speaker 3: or female, right, and the idea which used to be

483
00:26:15,080 --> 00:26:18,080
Speaker 3: anathema to me from a different paradigm, is like, why

484
00:26:18,119 --> 00:26:21,320
Speaker 3: would I embrace anything that's femine. I'm a man. You

485
00:26:21,359 --> 00:26:23,359
Speaker 3: can be a man and be in touch with your

486
00:26:23,400 --> 00:26:28,200
Speaker 3: femine feminine. Your femine is creative, your feminine is powerful,

487
00:26:28,280 --> 00:26:31,119
Speaker 3: your feminine is nurturing, right, and sort of trying to

488
00:26:31,200 --> 00:26:35,399
Speaker 3: divide yourself. You know there is unity in accepting and

489
00:26:35,440 --> 00:26:37,080
Speaker 3: embracing all of who you are.

490
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Speaker 1: But that's the truth. That's the truth. Everyone has both energies, yes, yeah,

491
00:26:42,440 --> 00:26:45,080
Speaker 1: and you know we have to have to embrace them,

492
00:26:45,240 --> 00:26:48,359
Speaker 1: both of the perfectly whole human sterling.

493
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Speaker 6: You and your wife Ryan are this amazingly powerful Hollywood

494
00:26:53,480 --> 00:26:58,280
Speaker 6: couple and you did a podcast together. We don't always agree.

495
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Speaker 5: How do you look over here? You said that when

496
00:27:02,840 --> 00:27:03,960
Speaker 5: he looks over here at me.

497
00:27:04,960 --> 00:27:10,159
Speaker 6: So what is the most important thing you've learned about

498
00:27:10,320 --> 00:27:12,600
Speaker 6: navigating conflict with your partner.

499
00:27:13,720 --> 00:27:18,280
Speaker 3: That's a good question. I mean that that conflict or

500
00:27:18,320 --> 00:27:22,320
Speaker 3: confrontation is a natural part of relationship, right, It's not

501
00:27:22,440 --> 00:27:24,520
Speaker 3: something to be avoided. I actually find that when you

502
00:27:24,960 --> 00:27:29,399
Speaker 3: avoid confrontation, whatever, the sort of underlying issue that you

503
00:27:29,440 --> 00:27:32,840
Speaker 3: wanted to address becomes bigger rather than smaller. And so

504
00:27:33,160 --> 00:27:37,960
Speaker 3: whatever is uncomfortable about a conversation pales in comparison to

505
00:27:38,000 --> 00:27:42,080
Speaker 3: the discomfort that comes from not having the conversation right.

506
00:27:42,680 --> 00:27:46,040
Speaker 3: Talk to each other, like even you upset and you're frustrated,

507
00:27:46,040 --> 00:27:48,480
Speaker 3: et cetera. In the midst of that, find a way

508
00:27:48,840 --> 00:27:52,000
Speaker 3: to take a breath, come to each other in love

509
00:27:52,320 --> 00:27:55,359
Speaker 3: with nobody trying to win or lose, and we call it.

510
00:27:55,359 --> 00:27:57,400
Speaker 3: We don't always agree because we don't, but nobody has

511
00:27:57,440 --> 00:27:59,560
Speaker 3: to be a winner in it or a loser. We

512
00:27:59,720 --> 00:28:02,680
Speaker 3: just have to reach a place of understanding with each other.

513
00:28:03,119 --> 00:28:05,560
Speaker 3: I think the biggest thing the problems for us have

514
00:28:05,680 --> 00:28:09,520
Speaker 3: always been biggest when we stop talking. Stay in relationships,

515
00:28:09,560 --> 00:28:13,640
Speaker 3: stay in communication, Like even when it's uncomfortable, just stay there,

516
00:28:13,920 --> 00:28:17,360
Speaker 3: breathe through it. Nothing bad is going to come for it.

517
00:28:17,440 --> 00:28:20,360
Speaker 3: Tough things come when you start to walk away from

518
00:28:20,359 --> 00:28:23,639
Speaker 3: each other. Just stay here, stay in the space together.

519
00:28:24,119 --> 00:28:24,919
Speaker 3: That's been the big one.

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00:28:25,680 --> 00:28:29,600
Speaker 6: You both met at Stanford and have certainly been together

521
00:28:29,640 --> 00:28:33,360
Speaker 6: ever since. What's one small thing that you still do

522
00:28:33,640 --> 00:28:36,520
Speaker 6: for each other that keeps the spark alive.

523
00:28:38,080 --> 00:28:40,320
Speaker 3: One of the biggest things for my wife and I

524
00:28:41,120 --> 00:28:48,080
Speaker 3: truly is that we laugh hard together. She's one of

525
00:28:48,120 --> 00:28:52,280
Speaker 3: the funniest people that I know. She is funny, she

526
00:28:52,440 --> 00:28:57,640
Speaker 3: is hysterical, and we can laugh and we can. And

527
00:28:57,680 --> 00:28:59,760
Speaker 3: part of the podcast was us being able to look

528
00:28:59,800 --> 00:29:02,560
Speaker 3: back on different parts of our life that, while we

529
00:29:02,560 --> 00:29:04,560
Speaker 3: were in the midst of them, were sort of difficult

530
00:29:04,600 --> 00:29:07,920
Speaker 3: to discuss, but we were sort of delighted to find that, like, oh,

531
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Speaker 3: we've actually made it to the other side. We can

532
00:29:10,280 --> 00:29:12,920
Speaker 3: look back and actually have a sense of humor about

533
00:29:12,960 --> 00:29:16,480
Speaker 3: who we were at age twenty two, twenty five, et cetera,

534
00:29:16,520 --> 00:29:19,640
Speaker 3: et cetera. Like that was an absolute joy to discover.

535
00:29:19,800 --> 00:29:22,280
Speaker 3: So our ability to laugh with each other and to

536
00:29:22,360 --> 00:29:26,200
Speaker 3: make each other laugh has been a saving grace, Like

537
00:29:26,240 --> 00:29:27,680
Speaker 3: it's been wonderful.

538
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Speaker 5: Scrolling won't change your life, but subscribing just might. We're

539
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541
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542
00:29:46,320 --> 00:29:47,800
Speaker 5: Now back to my legacy.

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Speaker 4: I want to ask both of you actually about an

544
00:29:50,880 --> 00:29:53,400
Speaker 4: incredibly important part of who you are and all of

545
00:29:53,480 --> 00:29:56,720
Speaker 4: us in fact, So we're all parents. I got three boys.

546
00:29:57,160 --> 00:30:00,200
Speaker 4: They keep me busy, and so when I was like

547
00:30:00,240 --> 00:30:02,840
Speaker 4: five children, Oh my god, they're like human tornadoes, like

548
00:30:02,880 --> 00:30:03,520
Speaker 4: God blessom.

549
00:30:03,520 --> 00:30:03,959
Speaker 1: I love them.

550
00:30:04,000 --> 00:30:06,360
Speaker 4: I love them, but you know, so I'm going to

551
00:30:06,400 --> 00:30:08,040
Speaker 4: ask each of you. I'm actually gonna start with Rev.

552
00:30:08,440 --> 00:30:11,720
Speaker 4: Reverend back with you're not only a father, you're a grandfather.

553
00:30:12,200 --> 00:30:15,200
Speaker 4: So I'm curious, what advice did you give your own

554
00:30:15,320 --> 00:30:18,520
Speaker 4: children on raising children? And did they listen to you?

555
00:30:19,480 --> 00:30:25,200
Speaker 1: Did they actually listen the success of a when you're

556
00:30:25,240 --> 00:30:28,680
Speaker 1: a parent, when the child has they have a good

557
00:30:28,840 --> 00:30:32,800
Speaker 1: heart that on the planet, they're not going to bring

558
00:30:32,960 --> 00:30:35,920
Speaker 1: mess on the planet. They're going to be open hearted.

559
00:30:35,920 --> 00:30:40,480
Speaker 1: They're going to be compassionate, be kind and find their

560
00:30:40,560 --> 00:30:43,600
Speaker 1: particular gifted area of which they're going to share in

561
00:30:43,640 --> 00:30:46,560
Speaker 1: the planet. So I look back and I look at

562
00:30:46,600 --> 00:30:50,520
Speaker 1: them now they're both adults. They are within their own

563
00:30:50,840 --> 00:30:54,840
Speaker 1: groups because they're like they're like how many they're like

564
00:30:55,040 --> 00:30:59,320
Speaker 1: nine ten years apart. They are like the spiritual leaders

565
00:30:59,400 --> 00:31:04,040
Speaker 1: of their own peers, you know. And and they got

566
00:31:04,080 --> 00:31:08,560
Speaker 1: at osmosis. I just noticed that, you know them were

567
00:31:08,800 --> 00:31:11,480
Speaker 1: upfront with it now, but it just kind of an osmosis.

568
00:31:11,520 --> 00:31:13,720
Speaker 1: They're the person that brings people back. Oh, we should

569
00:31:13,720 --> 00:31:15,800
Speaker 1: sit down and we should vision about this or we

570
00:31:15,800 --> 00:31:19,040
Speaker 1: should have this idea about this, you know. And and

571
00:31:19,080 --> 00:31:24,680
Speaker 1: so maybe they didn't listen at first, but it got

572
00:31:24,720 --> 00:31:29,760
Speaker 1: in there anyway. And so now it does my heart

573
00:31:29,880 --> 00:31:33,000
Speaker 1: good when I actually I see the metagape. They're a

574
00:31:33,000 --> 00:31:37,479
Speaker 1: part of the community and in very powerful ways. And

575
00:31:37,520 --> 00:31:39,440
Speaker 1: I didn't force them to do that. And maybe as

576
00:31:39,480 --> 00:31:41,600
Speaker 1: a child I forced them to come to church, you know,

577
00:31:42,320 --> 00:31:44,880
Speaker 1: but now they're adults, that's their own choice. They love

578
00:31:44,920 --> 00:31:47,240
Speaker 1: being there, they love being in the energy, so they're

579
00:31:47,320 --> 00:31:49,440
Speaker 1: they're there. I can really say that they are really

580
00:31:49,880 --> 00:31:55,960
Speaker 1: good people. Their trustworthy, they're honest, they have integrity. Those

581
00:31:55,960 --> 00:32:00,680
Speaker 1: are very great qualities. And my oldest son, he has

582
00:32:01,040 --> 00:32:05,880
Speaker 1: three boys, who okay, so I have three grand he

583
00:32:05,920 --> 00:32:10,040
Speaker 1: has three boys. I have three grandchildren and the oldest

584
00:32:10,040 --> 00:32:11,719
Speaker 1: grandchildren has two children.

585
00:32:12,440 --> 00:32:13,680
Speaker 3: You great grandchildren.

586
00:32:14,000 --> 00:32:17,880
Speaker 1: Yeah, I'm out in myself, so sterling.

587
00:32:17,880 --> 00:32:19,280
Speaker 4: By the way, the last time that Rev and I

588
00:32:19,360 --> 00:32:21,760
Speaker 4: were at at a basketball game together, I kept asking him,

589
00:32:21,760 --> 00:32:23,520
Speaker 4: so I'm gonna say this, because he wouldn't give an answer.

590
00:32:23,440 --> 00:32:25,880
Speaker 3: I was like, Rev, how old are you, sir?

591
00:32:26,280 --> 00:32:27,480
Speaker 1: I have some question.

592
00:32:27,640 --> 00:32:30,520
Speaker 4: Totally impolite, I understand, I totally applayed, and he never

593
00:32:30,520 --> 00:32:31,520
Speaker 4: gave me an answer.

594
00:32:31,720 --> 00:32:34,200
Speaker 1: My interest in age. Age isn't interested in me. Age

595
00:32:34,240 --> 00:32:39,440
Speaker 1: is just a number of minds unlisted. So only because

596
00:32:39,440 --> 00:32:40,880
Speaker 1: people will look at you a certain way.

597
00:32:41,440 --> 00:32:42,680
Speaker 3: Sure you know what I mean.

598
00:32:42,760 --> 00:32:44,760
Speaker 1: And I don't need to I don't need to transcend

599
00:32:44,760 --> 00:32:47,440
Speaker 1: how other people think about me. I'm just time this

600
00:32:47,560 --> 00:32:50,160
Speaker 1: ageless in eternals how I vibe in myself.

601
00:32:50,920 --> 00:32:53,080
Speaker 4: So sterling, and I love your response because I know

602
00:32:53,120 --> 00:32:56,240
Speaker 4: you have two boys. Yeah, what has being a father

603
00:32:56,960 --> 00:32:57,960
Speaker 4: taught you about yourself?

604
00:32:58,920 --> 00:33:01,440
Speaker 3: It is? It is the role that I've always looked

605
00:33:01,480 --> 00:33:04,160
Speaker 3: for too. Since I was a kid, I was being

606
00:33:04,160 --> 00:33:06,200
Speaker 3: a dad. I think I have an older brother and

607
00:33:06,200 --> 00:33:09,640
Speaker 3: an older sister, so I was a young uncle. I

608
00:33:09,680 --> 00:33:13,080
Speaker 3: got six nieces and nephews, and I would be fourteen

609
00:33:13,280 --> 00:33:16,080
Speaker 3: like taking kids to church and everything, and I, you know,

610
00:33:16,200 --> 00:33:20,080
Speaker 3: have like strollers and blankets and bottles and stuff. I

611
00:33:20,400 --> 00:33:23,680
Speaker 3: as one of those rare dudes who just loves children,

612
00:33:25,400 --> 00:33:27,400
Speaker 3: and I still do now with my youngest I helped

613
00:33:27,440 --> 00:33:31,000
Speaker 3: coach his basketball team and his flag football team. My

614
00:33:31,040 --> 00:33:33,200
Speaker 3: oldest son is playing soccer, but I used to help

615
00:33:33,240 --> 00:33:37,719
Speaker 3: out there as well. What I learned about myself, I

616
00:33:37,760 --> 00:33:39,360
Speaker 3: think a lot of it has to do with the

617
00:33:39,360 --> 00:33:42,520
Speaker 3: fact that my pops passed away when I was fairly young.

618
00:33:42,600 --> 00:33:46,000
Speaker 3: I was ten years old, and I thought that he

619
00:33:46,040 --> 00:33:49,880
Speaker 3: did a great job. He because and an era of

620
00:33:50,200 --> 00:33:57,000
Speaker 3: men where loving unabashedly wasn't necessarily in fashion. He didn't

621
00:33:57,040 --> 00:34:00,800
Speaker 3: care like my dad would want to kiss me on

622
00:34:00,840 --> 00:34:02,880
Speaker 3: the lips, so whatnot. I remember one time I was

623
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Speaker 3: like eight and a half or something, and you go,

624
00:34:05,040 --> 00:34:06,840
Speaker 3: all right, boy, get your daddy kiss and I'd be like,

625
00:34:06,920 --> 00:34:09,040
Speaker 3: I go for the cheek hanger? Were you too old

626
00:34:09,080 --> 00:34:11,880
Speaker 3: to get your dad a kiss on it? I'm like, oh, right, man,

627
00:34:12,480 --> 00:34:14,359
Speaker 3: let's keep it moving, you know what I'm saying. But

628
00:34:15,840 --> 00:34:22,080
Speaker 3: he he just loved me in such a beautiful way.

629
00:34:22,239 --> 00:34:24,360
Speaker 3: And I tell people that, even though he's been gone

630
00:34:25,280 --> 00:34:28,719
Speaker 3: for almost forty years now, like the reservoir of love

631
00:34:28,840 --> 00:34:30,840
Speaker 3: that I have in my soul I carry with me

632
00:34:30,880 --> 00:34:32,719
Speaker 3: and I'm able to pour from that cup into these

633
00:34:32,719 --> 00:34:37,520
Speaker 3: beautiful boys that I have as well. Right, So, I think,

634
00:34:37,600 --> 00:34:39,919
Speaker 3: what you learned, and this is because I have too.

635
00:34:40,120 --> 00:34:41,799
Speaker 3: I did have this one thought. I don't know if

636
00:34:41,800 --> 00:34:45,000
Speaker 3: anybody ever had this thought, but the second one, and

637
00:34:45,200 --> 00:34:47,160
Speaker 3: or of the third probably was just the second one.

638
00:34:47,520 --> 00:34:49,440
Speaker 3: I love this one as much as I love the

639
00:34:49,480 --> 00:34:52,200
Speaker 3: first one. Right, they have this just for a second

640
00:34:52,480 --> 00:34:55,360
Speaker 3: and then they show up like that's a dumb things.

641
00:34:57,120 --> 00:34:59,319
Speaker 3: You never run out of it. Like the more you

642
00:34:59,520 --> 00:35:02,920
Speaker 3: have it, the more you have to give, and the

643
00:35:02,960 --> 00:35:06,319
Speaker 3: more it just keeps filling up. Right, and so like

644
00:35:06,360 --> 00:35:08,680
Speaker 3: in terms of that lost scarcity that we talk about,

645
00:35:08,680 --> 00:35:12,520
Speaker 3: rev hoarding doesn't give you more of something, It keeps

646
00:35:12,600 --> 00:35:15,080
Speaker 3: you cut off from the flow that is meant to

647
00:35:15,080 --> 00:35:17,399
Speaker 3: sort of just circulate within your life. And that could

648
00:35:17,440 --> 00:35:19,680
Speaker 3: be money that could be loved, that could be anything

649
00:35:20,000 --> 00:35:23,319
Speaker 3: like let it go, let it out, share it as

650
00:35:23,400 --> 00:35:26,759
Speaker 3: much as possible, and you find yourself inundated with more

651
00:35:26,760 --> 00:35:28,800
Speaker 3: than you had to that you could have ever imagine.

652
00:35:29,480 --> 00:35:32,680
Speaker 5: It's beautiful because I'm sitting here literally in a circle

653
00:35:32,760 --> 00:35:36,360
Speaker 5: of all fathers. So it's really beautiful to witness the

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Speaker 5: love of fathers. And actually, Craig, it kind of reminded

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Speaker 5: me his story about his father kissing him reminded me

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Speaker 5: about the story that you shared. Craig and his brother

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Speaker 5: Mark recently their father recently transitioned and we went to

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Speaker 5: his memorial service and you shared that story. Can you please,

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Speaker 5: like share the story about the kiss every mother.

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Speaker 4: Every night. Every night he would always kiss me on

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Speaker 4: my forehead before you know, I went to sleep. And eventually, Sterling,

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Speaker 4: kind of like yourself, I came of an age where

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Speaker 4: I was like dad, you know, you know, and he said, okay,

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Speaker 4: Well he bent down his forehead and he let me

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Speaker 4: kiss him on his forehead instead. When I became too tall,

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Speaker 4: and every night before I'd go to sleep, he would

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Speaker 4: just you know. I now do that with my kids.

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Speaker 4: Every night before they go to bed, I say I

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Speaker 4: love you, I love you, I love you some more,

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Speaker 4: and may God always protect you no matter what. Every

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Speaker 4: night with my boys.

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Speaker 5: Yeah, and you still kiss your father off his forehead

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Speaker 5: until until just.

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Speaker 4: Until the days he passed and past the hospitals with

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Speaker 4: the night transitioned. That was my final kiss.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, my indolence on his transitioning.

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Speaker 1: Thank you.

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Speaker 3: When my boys go to bed, the youngest one has

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Speaker 3: no problem kissing me. He'd give me kids. He'll kiss

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Speaker 3: me easily until the day I transition over to the

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Speaker 3: other side of the veil. The eldest still will try

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Speaker 3: to pull away. But if you get them right at bedtime,

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Speaker 3: put up any resistance and you step up to his

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Speaker 3: bunk and you just lean over, He'll be like that.

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Speaker 5: So we've been talking about the best, most tender moments

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Speaker 5: of families. But we all seen in recent times that

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Speaker 5: politics has really torn some family and friends apart in

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Speaker 5: recent years. And Rev, I know that you've said that

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Speaker 5: a lack of forgiveness is a high form of self abuse.

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Speaker 5: What did you mean by that? And how do we

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Speaker 5: all find the courage to forgive when it feels impossible.

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Speaker 1: To answer that question? We have to understand what forgiveness is,

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Speaker 1: and forgiveness is not condoning bad behavior from another person.

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Speaker 1: Forgiveness is releasing the toxicity that flows through our own

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Speaker 1: spiritual veins. Hate, resentment, animosity. Those create toxic chemicals in

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Speaker 1: the body temple which debilitate us physically and psychologically. So

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Speaker 1: forgiveness frees us from a prison that we have created.

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Speaker 1: So it's not about condoning somebody else and saying, you know,

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Speaker 1: I'm just going to look the other way based on

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Speaker 1: what you've done. It's I'm not going to allow what

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Speaker 1: you have done or said to take me down. So

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Speaker 1: a lack of forgiveness is a high form of self

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Speaker 1: abuse because we're abusing ourselves. And so when you understand

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Speaker 1: that it's not about courage, it's about self love again,

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Speaker 1: and then you're able to have a level of clarity

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Speaker 1: as to what right action is in that particular situation.

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Speaker 1: You can't have clarity if your mind is clouded with

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Speaker 1: eight or resentment or animosity. But as that and I'm

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Speaker 1: not saying this is an easy thing, because people have

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Speaker 1: done heineous things, you know, but it's definitely a part

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Speaker 1: of the process. I mean, Martin's father was a strong

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Speaker 1: after getting practitioner of this, making sure that we turn

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Speaker 1: enemies into friends. But that doesn't happen without forgiveness. It's

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Speaker 1: an impossibility. And we just so we have to have

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Speaker 1: more and more moral leadership that rises to that level.

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Speaker 1: I mean recently, we just saw, you know, at that

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Speaker 1: memral service, one person forgiving their enemies and the one

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Speaker 1: that's supposed to unify us saying I'm going to hate

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Speaker 1: my entities and take them down.

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Speaker 3: You know.

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Speaker 1: It's like there was the shining example of a maturity

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Speaker 1: and immaturity screaming at us right there on national television.

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Speaker 1: You know. So, so forgiveness is powerful, and when one

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Speaker 1: can grow into the consciousness of forgiveness, one can be

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Speaker 1: and escape from the limited perceptions of life. It's necessary

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Speaker 1: to grow. And you know, every every spiritual path with

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Speaker 1: heart has some level of forgiveness in it, some level

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Speaker 1: of making amends, some levels of introspection and for giving

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Speaker 1: one's self for the misdeeds or missteps or things that

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Speaker 1: should have been said or that were said that hurts somebody.

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Speaker 1: Every path has a way of going in and trying

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Speaker 1: to clear that up because it's all energy. It's all energy,

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Speaker 1: you see.

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Speaker 5: Well, speaking of conditioning your mind, Rev. You even your

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Speaker 5: podcast is take Back your Mind. So you have your constantly.

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Speaker 3: Great name for a podcast. I'm going to put that

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Speaker 3: out there.

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Speaker 4: Actually, that's a phenomenal name.

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Speaker 3: Rev.

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Speaker 5: So your words and teachings have inspired and healed millions

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Speaker 5: around the world, and you know, I know that you

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Speaker 5: must hear countless stories about the impact that you've had.

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Speaker 5: Is there one story in particular or that you carry

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Speaker 5: with you? You know, Doctor King, I've heard your mother

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Speaker 5: say that he would preach himself out of depression sometimes

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Speaker 5: when he you know, so we all, you know, have

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Speaker 5: moments of heaviness. Is there one story that you carry

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Speaker 5: with you to give you encouragement when you need that encouragement?

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Speaker 4: For yourself.

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Speaker 1: I'm getting a lot for some reason, I'm in a

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Speaker 1: season of getting a lot of feedback from people all

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Speaker 1: around the world everywhere I go with interesting stories of

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Speaker 1: transformation or healings and things of that particular nature. And

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Speaker 1: that might just be because of my receptivity. I don't know.

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Speaker 1: They may have been going on all the time, but

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Speaker 1: just so many stories of you've got me through COVID,

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Speaker 1: this this type of thing. There's one story of a

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Speaker 1: woman who was passing over from a brain tumor and

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Speaker 1: she's in her house.

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Speaker 3: She was in the.

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Speaker 1: Hospital and her family. She liked the gape, and her

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Speaker 1: family put a cassette player or CD player in her

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Speaker 1: room and it started playing my sermons. She got up

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Speaker 1: and left the hospital. That brain tumor disappeared. I'm not

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Speaker 1: saying I did that, but her receptivity and her faith

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Speaker 1: and utilizing that that vibration of the word helped her.

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Speaker 1: So there's there's a lot of stories that are coming

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Speaker 1: to me now that I guess just to give me

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Speaker 1: a level of you're doing okay, keep going, you know,

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Speaker 1: within my own you know, within my own space, because

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Speaker 1: you know, when in a community is not an easy thing.

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Speaker 3: People see.

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Speaker 1: People see a Sunday talk, but they have no idea

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Speaker 1: what's going on in a community and staffing and finances

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00:42:44,800 --> 00:42:46,920
Speaker 1: and this and that and the other, you know that

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Speaker 1: has to go on. And so it was it may

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Speaker 1: be just an impetus for my own soul, you know,

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Speaker 1: to hear these stories.

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Speaker 4: People need inspiration. People are craving inspiration, and they crave

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Speaker 4: it from the pulpit, They crave it from the screens.

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Speaker 4: And my wife and I we would sit together and

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Speaker 4: actually watch This is Us your of course Emmy Award winning.

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Speaker 4: I got to point that out role in you know,

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Speaker 4: as you mentioned Randall Pearson on the show, what is

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Speaker 4: the most meaningful conversation that anyone's walked up to? And

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Speaker 4: they said how that role resonated with them and how

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Speaker 4: it impacted them.

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Speaker 3: Ooh, there's a lot. There's a lot Craig like people

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Speaker 3: roll up on your boy and it's like can I

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Speaker 3: have a hug? Like That's like, that's one thing. I

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Speaker 3: had a lot of shows elicit you know, Paradise doesn't

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Speaker 3: elicit hugs, but This is Us does. But there there

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Speaker 3: was a moment. There's a few, but one that really

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Speaker 3: touched my soul. I was in the airport and there's

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Speaker 3: a storyline on This is Us where our eldest biological

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Speaker 3: daughter comes out as she may be Bye or gay,

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Speaker 3: et cetera. And and this woman comes up to us,

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Speaker 3: a black woman, and she sees me and she said,

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Speaker 3: I did not have the same love of grace that

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Speaker 3: you and Beth had when my daughter came out to me,

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Speaker 3: but I know that I can do better. And she

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Speaker 3: just walked and she said thank you, and she kept

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Speaker 3: on going, and I was like, you know, you forget.

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Speaker 3: They're like, I'm doing a little show and I think

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Speaker 3: it's nice and it has some residence whatnot. But then

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Speaker 3: you see like real sort of tangible things like that,

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Speaker 3: and you're like, thank you God for allowing me to

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Speaker 3: be of.

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Speaker 1: Service and that, Oh my god. You know, I tell

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Speaker 1: you a quick story. My daughter and her mother. Her

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Speaker 1: mother was sick and passing over. We didn't really know

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Speaker 1: how fast she was going to pass over, but the

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Speaker 1: storylining there about the mother and daughter healing. Yeah, they

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Speaker 1: watched that together and it opened up a conversation that

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Speaker 1: they never had as adults about the mother and my children,

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Speaker 1: her background, her past, her mother, and how she became

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Speaker 1: who she became it just opened up this beautiful conversation.

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Speaker 1: They bonded so completely before she passed over. They watched

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Speaker 1: that together and it just opened them up, changed both

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Speaker 1: their lives.

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Speaker 3: It was one of those things where people would tell us, like,

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Speaker 3: we rarely watch shows every week, and sometimes I watch

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Speaker 3: them by myself, but like me and my family sit

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Speaker 3: down and we watch your show. I would hear that

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Speaker 3: many many times, and I think, especially as divisive as

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Speaker 3: things are seemingly right now, it was nice to add

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Speaker 3: a little bit of unity to the world, to the country.

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Speaker 4: Wow, what a beautiful story. The extraordinary Reverend Michael beckwith

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Speaker 4: the equally extraordinary Sterling K. Brown. Gentlemen, thank you for

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Speaker 4: guiding us in a conversation of spirit, soul and wisdom,

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Speaker 4: turning points forgiveness, the divine conspiracy of success, lessons of faith,

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Speaker 4: power of storytelling. Most importantly, even the darkest hour's life

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Speaker 4: can be chosen and love can be lived. Gentlemen, Thank

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Speaker 4: you for living your legacies.

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Speaker 3: Thank you for having us. Man. This has been a

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Speaker 3: thank you for the invitation.

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Speaker 1: Thank you for thank you for letting me bring an

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Speaker 1: extraordinary plus one.

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Speaker 3: I've never been a plus one before.

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Speaker 1: You are the one.

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Speaker 3: Thank you guys very.

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Speaker 1: Much, Thank you all so much.

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