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Speaker 1: Welcome to NFL Daily, where we are celebrating Shohei Otani

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Speaker 1: fifty to fifty Bobblehead Day, also known as my brother

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Speaker 1: Dean Rosenthal's birthday, also known as Nick Westling Day. Here

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Speaker 1: on the show, joined by Jordan rod Rieg and Yes,

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Speaker 1: Nick will be coming up a little later to give

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Speaker 1: some award predictions twenty twenty five season predictions. After we

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Speaker 1: go through all the awards, Jordan and reveal for the

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Speaker 1: first time, who's gonna win every single one of them?

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Speaker 2: Yeah, because we are totally We're going to be so

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Speaker 2: right on all of them.

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Speaker 3: You never know.

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Speaker 1: And I do look at this exercise as one where

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Speaker 1: you can kind of like, like, Okay, who are some

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Speaker 1: underdogs that maybe we're not picking, but that if you're

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Speaker 1: into those sort of things, you could circle.

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Speaker 4: Especially the rookie ones. I love doing these rookie projections too, Like,

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Speaker 4: this is so fun for me.

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Speaker 1: It's also a great feeling because we have been reviewing

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Speaker 1: the season on some level for six months. Eric is

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Speaker 1: just nodding his head back there, and now we're at

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Speaker 1: the point where it's like, Okay, we actually have reached

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Speaker 1: the final prediction predictions of the season. So yeah, We're

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Speaker 1: gonna have a couple episodes next week on forties and

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Speaker 1: free agents, where we go through the teams most likely

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Speaker 1: we think to win the Super Bowl and talk about

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Speaker 1: playoff teams and all that sort of stuff. But we'll

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Speaker 1: start our preview, you know, just conventionally today with the awards,

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Speaker 1: and then next Tuesday it's going to be very unconventional

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Speaker 1: when Colleen Wolf joins us.

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Speaker 3: Yes see dark arts. What are we calling it?

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Speaker 2: The dark darkly Chaotic Awards season.

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Speaker 1: I love the darkness that's going to come. But first

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Speaker 1: we do have some news. So we did the show.

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Speaker 1: It feels like just a few hours ago with all

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Speaker 1: the cuts all around the league. It really was just

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Speaker 1: a few hours ago. But there are already been waiver

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Speaker 1: claims all around the league, so that those claims come quick.

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Speaker 1: They were at noon eastern nine here on the West Coast,

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Speaker 1: there were twenty nine waiver claims throughout the league. Everyone's

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Speaker 1: putting together their practice squad and it was kind of

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Speaker 1: the deadline for teams to get some trades done. And

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Speaker 1: we did finally get that Adam Thielen trade done, so

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Speaker 1: get to the waiver claims. But Adam Feelin is going

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Speaker 1: back to the Minnesota Vikings for a couple pickswaps like

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Speaker 1: a seventh to a fifth and a fifth to a fourth.

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Speaker 1: Ultimately not a huge price, and he gives that receiver

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Speaker 1: room so much needed depth.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, I mentioned on the show that we just taped

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Speaker 4: a few hours ago, that it's very clear that Minnesota

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Speaker 4: And obviously this has been in the works for a while.

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Speaker 4: You mentioned it where or smoke there's fire. We did

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Speaker 4: record that, so like close to the recording of this episode,

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Speaker 4: we still had enough time for somebody to get personally

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Speaker 4: offended that I did not claim ownership of Adam Thielen

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Speaker 4: and messaged me about this. Oh, you're underrating Adam Feelin.

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Speaker 4: I'm like, I think he's a good player. I think

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Speaker 4: he I think he works really really well with the Viking.

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Speaker 1: You guys are getting a lot of Adam Thieling heat.

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Speaker 1: Maybe it's the same guy Eric noticed in the YouTube.

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Speaker 1: Someone was very fired up that we're giving Adam Thielen

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Speaker 2: Uh, what's the Adam feeling? Meridians people are really would

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Speaker 1: Here's why I would talk about him slightly more than

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Speaker 1: He's he's going to be their number three receiver when

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Speaker 1: And it's a cliff I really just and I know

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Speaker 1: Jalen Naylor is not healthy right now, but I think

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Speaker 1: he is much better. He was great on a per

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Speaker 3: We'll see what if what the contract adjustment is.

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Speaker 1: And yeah, the Carolina Panthers are the ones though that

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Speaker 4: It tells me they like obviously t Mac being their tet.

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Speaker 4: They really really appreciate that he's going to emerge.

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Speaker 4: This to me, also, the Panthers showed the Panther's confidence

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Speaker 4: Bryce Young. But this is the right thing, I think

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Speaker 4: And he fits right into this offense immediately, and they

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Speaker 1: And I do want or just in terms of where

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Speaker 3: That's where Adam Thielen can win.

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Speaker 1: And you mentioned Jalen Cocher, an undrafted rookie last year,

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Speaker 1: the other big item that wasn't a trade this morning.

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Speaker 3: Rare Sheee Rice got to spend.

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Speaker 2: That Adam Thalen enough time?

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Speaker 3: Do you think that was maybe too much time?

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Speaker 2: Okay, we missed our Meridian Dan that I.

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Speaker 1: Would believe would be too much time. But as always,

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Speaker 1: never read the comments. Rashee Rice suspended six games. There

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Speaker 2: I love it. I love it.

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Speaker 4: And you could see with his movement last season how

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Speaker 4: much that impacted and affected that defense. He has been

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Speaker 4: he got there. But inclusive to what zach Or did

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Speaker 1: Yeah, one of those guys that fell further in the

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Speaker 1: Everyone loved Kyle Hamilton coming out, and then he really

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Speaker 1: coming up with how long the contract is because it's

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Speaker 1: a four year extension. Yeah, but it's a he already

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Speaker 1: So that's actually a six year contract, which means he's

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Speaker 3: So win win. Let's go to another trade.

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Speaker 1: Tim Patrick is going to the Jaguars for a sixth

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Speaker 1: Little surprising though that they gave up on the receiver

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Speaker 4: And Liam Cohen gets his Robert Woods circa like two

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Speaker 1: Little Warry and but Tim Patrick is going to go

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Speaker 4: Receiver block I mean that Liam Cohen wants is blocking.

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Speaker 4: I mean this is very odd. Yes, it's like very

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Speaker 1: The only red flag would be I listened to Colton

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Speaker 1: they mentioned maybe he hadn't had the best training camp

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Speaker 1: Like it's possible. He's not the same Tim Patrick he

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Speaker 3: How he did it again? See we got it this time.

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Speaker 4: My colleague Matt Schneidman, a great follow on social media,

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Speaker 2: You guys should just go check out okay posting. Yeah,

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Speaker 3: Good plug.

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Speaker 1: And yeah, tapping relatively early because I got to get

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Speaker 1: an efficient, effective player, but an exciting player, like one

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Speaker 1: of the best players that we've ever seen. And I

440
00:20:49,080 --> 00:20:51,000
Speaker 1: just think this is the year that'll happen. Now, you

441
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Speaker 1: mentioned you're not sure if they're going to win the

442
00:20:52,640 --> 00:20:54,520
Speaker 1: Super Bowl or go far well, they have to have

443
00:20:54,560 --> 00:20:56,480
Speaker 1: a great record for him to win the MVP. Almost

444
00:20:56,520 --> 00:20:59,120
Speaker 1: every MVP is from a one or a two seed,

445
00:20:59,160 --> 00:21:00,640
Speaker 1: and it's almost always a quarterback.

446
00:21:00,720 --> 00:21:02,440
Speaker 2: I'm not burying yet by any means.

447
00:21:02,480 --> 00:21:04,640
Speaker 1: I just mean, like a lot of times it comes

448
00:21:04,680 --> 00:21:08,000
Speaker 1: down to who has what team has the best record.

449
00:21:08,080 --> 00:21:09,320
Speaker 3: Now, it didn't happen last year.

450
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Speaker 1: Obviously the Chiefs and the Lions were at the very

451
00:21:13,200 --> 00:21:15,159
Speaker 1: top and they weren't in the MVP mix. But you

452
00:21:15,200 --> 00:21:18,120
Speaker 1: basically have to have like a top two or three

453
00:21:18,160 --> 00:21:22,440
Speaker 1: seed to get there. If I was looking at dark horses,

454
00:21:23,680 --> 00:21:25,960
Speaker 1: and yeah, like when you look at Aaron Rodgers' career,

455
00:21:26,000 --> 00:21:27,440
Speaker 1: by the way, and Tom Brady, these guys who will

456
00:21:27,440 --> 00:21:29,480
Speaker 1: win it four or five times, which I think can happen.

457
00:21:29,520 --> 00:21:31,840
Speaker 1: In Brady only won it three times, but I think

458
00:21:31,880 --> 00:21:34,520
Speaker 1: that can happen. It's like, yeah, it doesn't happen every year.

459
00:21:34,600 --> 00:21:36,040
Speaker 1: Like you have to go in these little dips and

460
00:21:36,040 --> 00:21:37,960
Speaker 1: then you pop back up. And I think the narrative

461
00:21:37,960 --> 00:21:41,560
Speaker 1: of mahomes this year becoming exciting again, becoming a big playmaker,

462
00:21:41,600 --> 00:21:43,360
Speaker 1: and it just makes sense to me that people will

463
00:21:43,400 --> 00:21:45,080
Speaker 1: be ready to vote for them if you were looking

464
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Speaker 1: for some longer shots plus two thousand right now, only

465
00:21:49,080 --> 00:21:51,359
Speaker 1: seventh on the list, But Jalen Hurts is a pretty

466
00:21:51,359 --> 00:21:52,920
Speaker 1: strong one if you're looking for a team that would

467
00:21:52,920 --> 00:21:55,400
Speaker 1: have a good record. He was very close to winning

468
00:21:55,400 --> 00:21:58,280
Speaker 1: an MVP just a couple of years ago. And then

469
00:21:58,960 --> 00:22:04,040
Speaker 1: Dak Prescott is buried around like fourteenth, fifteenth among players

470
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Speaker 1: plus four thousand. You know, last healthy season, he was

471
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Speaker 1: right in the MVP mix, literally came in second. So

472
00:22:11,440 --> 00:22:13,040
Speaker 1: I think he would be another one if you were

473
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Speaker 1: like looking for value and looking for someone maybe not

474
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Speaker 1: as obvious.

475
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Speaker 4: Yeah, but you're talking about team record in the same

476
00:22:19,440 --> 00:22:21,679
Speaker 4: breath as like Mahomes and all of that stuff. I

477
00:22:21,720 --> 00:22:23,880
Speaker 4: assume that's why he's being buried because people are really

478
00:22:23,880 --> 00:22:25,399
Speaker 4: skeptical about the Coulture overall.

479
00:22:25,440 --> 00:22:26,600
Speaker 3: Right, Yeah, they would have to surprise.

480
00:22:26,640 --> 00:22:28,399
Speaker 1: You would need like a twelve and five season in

481
00:22:28,520 --> 00:22:31,000
Speaker 1: Dak Prescott just having crazy numbers. But I think they'll

482
00:22:31,000 --> 00:22:33,080
Speaker 1: be a pass first offense. I don't think it's crazy.

483
00:22:33,400 --> 00:22:35,399
Speaker 1: I do think they will get a big award though.

484
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Speaker 1: I'm going Michael Parsons Defensive Player of the Year, And

485
00:22:38,440 --> 00:22:41,439
Speaker 1: this is part of my strategy is I've picked him

486
00:22:41,480 --> 00:22:43,520
Speaker 1: Defensive Player of the Year every year for the last

487
00:22:43,840 --> 00:22:48,359
Speaker 1: three years, basically since his rookie year, and I just

488
00:22:48,359 --> 00:22:50,640
Speaker 1: think he will win one and I will be right eventually.

489
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Speaker 1: How did he He ended up finishing in the thirties

490
00:22:54,160 --> 00:22:57,720
Speaker 1: of the top one top one hundred players on NFL network.

491
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Speaker 2: That was crazy to me. I couldn't actually under rated.

492
00:23:00,520 --> 00:23:01,879
Speaker 3: People don't like him. I think maybe that.

493
00:23:02,280 --> 00:23:04,760
Speaker 4: It's like his colleagues, that's who's voting on the on

494
00:23:04,840 --> 00:23:07,040
Speaker 4: those awards in these locker rooms. That was kind of

495
00:23:07,080 --> 00:23:09,680
Speaker 4: crazy to me because these guys, the football players no

496
00:23:09,720 --> 00:23:13,439
Speaker 4: football obviously, so there's something there's some other maybe they

497
00:23:13,480 --> 00:23:16,560
Speaker 4: wanted to give other veteran players more priority or whatever.

498
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Speaker 2: The mic of things interesting to me.

499
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Speaker 4: I like this pick, but I have to say i'm

500
00:23:22,040 --> 00:23:25,320
Speaker 4: because this is still unresolved because he hasn't practiced.

501
00:23:25,359 --> 00:23:27,320
Speaker 2: Because of all this, I have no.

502
00:23:27,359 --> 00:23:29,879
Speaker 4: Reason to believe that he won't need a little bit

503
00:23:29,920 --> 00:23:30,879
Speaker 4: of a ramp up period.

504
00:23:30,920 --> 00:23:31,000
Speaker 2: Now.

505
00:23:31,040 --> 00:23:35,240
Speaker 4: He could be playing dominant football by any metric by

506
00:23:35,280 --> 00:23:37,840
Speaker 4: the time voters are having this fresh in their heads.

507
00:23:37,840 --> 00:23:39,679
Speaker 4: So that's why I think it's a solid pick, and

508
00:23:39,680 --> 00:23:40,520
Speaker 4: he probably is pretty good.

509
00:23:40,520 --> 00:23:42,720
Speaker 1: Odds he did miss four games last year, and you

510
00:23:42,760 --> 00:23:44,760
Speaker 1: never know when these ballots go out, So.

511
00:23:44,760 --> 00:23:46,120
Speaker 2: Maybe it was what Terry Jones said.

512
00:23:46,160 --> 00:23:48,040
Speaker 1: Maybe it was like a lot of ballots were out

513
00:23:48,200 --> 00:23:50,119
Speaker 1: like while he was out, and then those people they

514
00:23:50,160 --> 00:23:52,400
Speaker 1: just don't vote for him. There He finished second as

515
00:23:52,400 --> 00:23:54,639
Speaker 1: a rookie and Defensive Player of the Year, which is crazy.

516
00:23:54,760 --> 00:23:58,040
Speaker 1: Twenty one rookie was a first team Opera was second

517
00:23:58,200 --> 00:24:00,480
Speaker 1: in Defensive Player of the Year as a second year player.

518
00:24:00,520 --> 00:24:02,600
Speaker 1: So I was, you know, I've been close, and he

519
00:24:02,880 --> 00:24:05,719
Speaker 1: was third in his third year. Last year was the

520
00:24:05,720 --> 00:24:08,600
Speaker 1: one time, you know, he really didn't get consideration. But

521
00:24:08,800 --> 00:24:10,680
Speaker 1: I've said it before on the show, say it again.

522
00:24:11,040 --> 00:24:14,120
Speaker 1: The best pure pass rusher to come in the league,

523
00:24:14,160 --> 00:24:17,520
Speaker 1: I believe this century. Like of the last twenty plus years,

524
00:24:17,600 --> 00:24:20,479
Speaker 1: I think von Miller would be another one that pops

525
00:24:20,480 --> 00:24:23,760
Speaker 1: to my mind, but just pure pass rusher. So I

526
00:24:23,800 --> 00:24:26,040
Speaker 1: think we'll get it eventually, no matter what team he's on,

527
00:24:26,280 --> 00:24:28,160
Speaker 1: I'm willing to entertain it's on another team, who.

528
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Speaker 3: Do you got?

529
00:24:28,480 --> 00:24:28,680
Speaker 2: Yeah?

530
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Speaker 4: I was torn because I wanted to pick Micah Parsons,

531
00:24:31,480 --> 00:24:34,159
Speaker 4: but all of this still being influx to me unresolved,

532
00:24:34,200 --> 00:24:37,160
Speaker 4: I just I went another direction, riding the wave of

533
00:24:37,640 --> 00:24:40,440
Speaker 4: his Defensive Rookie of the Year award. I think Jared

534
00:24:40,480 --> 00:24:43,040
Speaker 4: Verse has a real shot whoa defensive Player of the Year.

535
00:24:43,080 --> 00:24:46,199
Speaker 4: When you watch his tape game over game and you

536
00:24:46,280 --> 00:24:49,200
Speaker 4: see the amount of pressure he got, but the number

537
00:24:49,200 --> 00:24:53,159
Speaker 4: of sacks that he left on the board, and knowing

538
00:24:53,240 --> 00:24:56,639
Speaker 4: you know his personality, knowing the group around him as well,

539
00:24:56,760 --> 00:24:59,800
Speaker 4: that is quite literally built to set him up for success.

540
00:25:01,000 --> 00:25:02,800
Speaker 4: I just think that this guy is going to have

541
00:25:02,880 --> 00:25:05,400
Speaker 4: another dominant season and he's going to be in the conversation.

542
00:25:05,560 --> 00:25:06,960
Speaker 4: I don't know what his odds are, but I know

543
00:25:07,000 --> 00:25:08,080
Speaker 4: that he's going to be in the conversation.

544
00:25:08,200 --> 00:25:11,240
Speaker 1: Shockingly, Hi, I would not have expected this because you

545
00:25:11,560 --> 00:25:13,679
Speaker 1: to me, I heard that. I think that's that's wild.

546
00:25:13,760 --> 00:25:16,440
Speaker 1: He's actually the sixth favorite. Now it's still pretty long shot.

547
00:25:16,720 --> 00:25:19,840
Speaker 1: Plus fifteen hundred. Micah is the favorite. So I didn't

548
00:25:19,880 --> 00:25:23,200
Speaker 1: know that either Aiden Hutchinson, T J. Watt, Miles Garrett.

549
00:25:23,200 --> 00:25:27,440
Speaker 1: A lot of times it is a pastor has.

550
00:25:26,280 --> 00:25:29,600
Speaker 2: A shot at this too, honestly, I think. But you know, we.

551
00:25:31,200 --> 00:25:35,840
Speaker 4: Rightfully so are not doing the dumb award comeback Player

552
00:25:35,880 --> 00:25:38,359
Speaker 4: of the Year that nobody can seem to agree on

553
00:25:38,840 --> 00:25:44,280
Speaker 4: because a guy literally returned from death and still did

554
00:25:44,280 --> 00:25:46,120
Speaker 4: not win the award a couple of years ago.

555
00:25:46,280 --> 00:25:48,119
Speaker 2: But Aiden Hutchinson is probably gonna win that award.

556
00:25:48,200 --> 00:25:50,480
Speaker 1: And now did they even define that it's just coming

557
00:25:50,520 --> 00:25:52,600
Speaker 1: back from injury? We're not gonna bother comeback player the Year.

558
00:25:52,600 --> 00:25:55,399
Speaker 1: I here because it's like a weird sliding scale, like

559
00:25:55,560 --> 00:25:57,320
Speaker 1: who is the best? But how hard was the injury?

560
00:25:57,359 --> 00:25:57,880
Speaker 3: It's stupid.

561
00:25:58,440 --> 00:26:01,879
Speaker 1: Jared Verse, that's interesting looking at some longer shots. I

562
00:26:01,920 --> 00:26:05,399
Speaker 1: don't know if you like anyone. Jalen Carter is ninth

563
00:26:05,440 --> 00:26:08,080
Speaker 1: on the list. If you are looking, it's pretty hard

564
00:26:08,080 --> 00:26:10,879
Speaker 1: for a defensive tackle to win the award. That's some

565
00:26:10,920 --> 00:26:14,119
Speaker 1: good respect, though, unless you're unless you're Aaron Donald.

566
00:26:14,160 --> 00:26:17,520
Speaker 4: We were riding the table for Dexter Lawrence for a

567
00:26:17,560 --> 00:26:20,919
Speaker 4: little bit last year because his production, despite being on

568
00:26:20,960 --> 00:26:24,919
Speaker 4: a terrible team, was absolutely in the conversation early on,

569
00:26:25,040 --> 00:26:26,760
Speaker 4: especially for Defensive Player of the Year.

570
00:26:26,800 --> 00:26:29,040
Speaker 1: You know, I think Max Crosby is a guy who

571
00:26:29,720 --> 00:26:32,080
Speaker 1: you know, he's eighth listed as eighth basically tied with

572
00:26:32,160 --> 00:26:36,040
Speaker 1: Verse plus sixteen hundred. Isn't that crazy? And then we'll

573
00:26:36,040 --> 00:26:37,919
Speaker 1: get to Abdulla Carter. But if you wanted to go

574
00:26:38,000 --> 00:26:42,320
Speaker 1: crazy if you were picking a position where a rookie

575
00:26:42,400 --> 00:26:44,800
Speaker 1: can come in and possibly win an award like this.

576
00:26:44,920 --> 00:26:47,840
Speaker 1: Michael Parsons almost did it. We have seen you Von

577
00:26:47,840 --> 00:26:50,040
Speaker 1: Miller was outstanding as a rookie. We have seen pass

578
00:26:50,119 --> 00:26:52,040
Speaker 1: rushers come in. He's all the way down at plus

579
00:26:52,080 --> 00:26:56,440
Speaker 1: five thousand, tied with Kirby Joseph. I mean that's crazy,

580
00:26:57,000 --> 00:26:58,720
Speaker 1: Like fifteen twenty players down the list.

581
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Speaker 3: He would be an interesting one. But we'll put a

582
00:27:00,600 --> 00:27:00,960
Speaker 3: pin in that.

583
00:27:01,200 --> 00:27:04,960
Speaker 1: Let's do Offensive Player of the Year, an award that

584
00:27:05,000 --> 00:27:09,200
Speaker 1: I used to refuse to answer on NFL dot Com

585
00:27:09,760 --> 00:27:12,240
Speaker 1: when we have to submit all of our picks, by

586
00:27:12,280 --> 00:27:14,200
Speaker 1: the way that you'll be checking them out at NFL

587
00:27:14,240 --> 00:27:17,440
Speaker 1: dot com soon. I did answer those questions this year,

588
00:27:17,480 --> 00:27:20,080
Speaker 1: but now I'm back in because it's basically the non

589
00:27:20,160 --> 00:27:22,160
Speaker 1: quarterback award. I just don't like it when they give

590
00:27:22,160 --> 00:27:24,560
Speaker 1: it to the second best quarterback, which is what happens

591
00:27:24,600 --> 00:27:25,360
Speaker 1: a lot of times too.

592
00:27:25,480 --> 00:27:27,960
Speaker 4: Yeah, but it's turned out to be really handy, especially

593
00:27:28,000 --> 00:27:30,400
Speaker 4: when you have a season like Saquon Barkley had last year.

594
00:27:30,640 --> 00:27:33,359
Speaker 4: I think it's unfortunate for my pick to win it

595
00:27:33,440 --> 00:27:36,919
Speaker 4: this year that he happened to win the Triple Crown

596
00:27:37,640 --> 00:27:41,040
Speaker 4: last season, the same year Saquon Barkley quite literally made

597
00:27:41,200 --> 00:27:44,760
Speaker 4: history as a running back. Jamar Chase, I think, is

598
00:27:44,880 --> 00:27:48,679
Speaker 4: my Offensive Player of the Year pick this year. I

599
00:27:48,720 --> 00:27:53,320
Speaker 4: think that sometimes we see voters sort of correct things

600
00:27:53,480 --> 00:27:55,560
Speaker 4: in advance. I'm not saying it was incorrect that Saquon

601
00:27:55,600 --> 00:27:57,320
Speaker 4: won it, but I know that Jamar was frustrated he

602
00:27:57,320 --> 00:27:58,240
Speaker 4: didn't get more votes.

603
00:27:58,600 --> 00:28:00,560
Speaker 2: That was sort of a headline months ago.

604
00:28:01,040 --> 00:28:03,159
Speaker 4: And I do think that he is someone who is

605
00:28:03,240 --> 00:28:06,720
Speaker 4: deserving and should be on pace to have another incredible season.

606
00:28:06,760 --> 00:28:07,840
Speaker 3: Yeah, it's it's tough.

607
00:28:07,960 --> 00:28:10,920
Speaker 1: I mean, like winning a triple Crown doesn't get any

608
00:28:10,960 --> 00:28:11,560
Speaker 1: better than that.

609
00:28:11,640 --> 00:28:14,679
Speaker 2: I know. It's like that, again, are very small, I know,

610
00:28:14,720 --> 00:28:17,080
Speaker 2: and it's one of the best. It's like in history.

611
00:28:17,240 --> 00:28:20,440
Speaker 4: So few people have actually done that, but Steve Smith

612
00:28:20,480 --> 00:28:22,119
Speaker 4: and then it was Cooper Cup in twenty twenty one,

613
00:28:22,160 --> 00:28:23,040
Speaker 4: and then Jamar Chase.

614
00:28:23,400 --> 00:28:28,399
Speaker 2: And it's just crazy to me that these receivers are

615
00:28:28,400 --> 00:28:30,080
Speaker 2: able to do this, first of all, And I don't

616
00:28:30,080 --> 00:28:32,080
Speaker 2: want to hear about the oh there's an extra game,

617
00:28:32,119 --> 00:28:33,800
Speaker 2: Oh my god, Like I don't want to hear about that,

618
00:28:34,080 --> 00:28:34,440
Speaker 2: and that.

619
00:28:34,359 --> 00:28:36,840
Speaker 3: Doesn't affect the triple Crown. Because you're just it's all.

620
00:28:36,760 --> 00:28:38,800
Speaker 2: A production and it's production.

621
00:28:38,960 --> 00:28:41,920
Speaker 4: It's production based, and so that's where I'm like, Okay,

622
00:28:42,360 --> 00:28:45,680
Speaker 4: I I think that Saquan was so deserving of that

623
00:28:45,760 --> 00:28:49,280
Speaker 4: award last year. I know that even some people were

624
00:28:49,360 --> 00:28:51,760
Speaker 4: arguing that he should be the MVP, especially because what

625
00:28:51,920 --> 00:28:55,560
Speaker 4: he did for the entire Eagles as an organization. It

626
00:28:55,640 --> 00:28:58,800
Speaker 4: certainly as an offense. But it's hard when you are

627
00:28:58,920 --> 00:29:02,480
Speaker 4: up your Jamar and you're you have literally an historic

628
00:29:02,600 --> 00:29:05,320
Speaker 4: like one of only a few people have ever achieved

629
00:29:05,320 --> 00:29:10,000
Speaker 4: what you achieved in history, and you finished second in offensive, you.

630
00:29:10,000 --> 00:29:13,479
Speaker 1: Finished third Lamar Jackson when ahead of thirds. That's why

631
00:29:13,560 --> 00:29:16,120
Speaker 1: I don't like this award. And that's why when I

632
00:29:16,200 --> 00:29:18,400
Speaker 1: was looking at the odds, if I was looking for

633
00:29:18,920 --> 00:29:22,600
Speaker 1: some of the longer shots to do it, like I

634
00:29:22,640 --> 00:29:25,680
Speaker 1: would love Jalen Hurts for Offensive Player of the Year

635
00:29:25,720 --> 00:29:28,959
Speaker 1: because he could end up being that like second quarterback

636
00:29:29,240 --> 00:29:32,000
Speaker 1: gets it. Josh Allen is like plus six thousand, you know,

637
00:29:32,520 --> 00:29:36,040
Speaker 1: Patrick Mahomes is way down there below, like lad mcconky

638
00:29:36,080 --> 00:29:38,240
Speaker 1: or Jackson Smith, Thenjigba and Jonathan Taylor, and like I

639
00:29:38,280 --> 00:29:40,560
Speaker 1: could easily see them coming in second at the top

640
00:29:40,600 --> 00:29:42,640
Speaker 1: it's the guys from last year, Saquon and Jamar Chase.

641
00:29:42,680 --> 00:29:44,920
Speaker 1: I'm going to take the third favorite to win it

642
00:29:44,920 --> 00:29:47,320
Speaker 1: as my pick, which is Jamiir Gibbs. I just feel

643
00:29:47,320 --> 00:29:51,080
Speaker 1: like he's gotten better at football every single season, and

644
00:29:51,200 --> 00:29:53,880
Speaker 1: the situation is not as good in front of him overall,

645
00:29:54,000 --> 00:29:56,160
Speaker 1: so that's a little bit of a concern. But I

646
00:29:56,240 --> 00:29:58,520
Speaker 1: just think in terms of his skill set, this is

647
00:29:59,000 --> 00:30:01,280
Speaker 1: to me the year in a running backs career that

648
00:30:01,320 --> 00:30:03,680
Speaker 1: I can just see it all coming together in him

649
00:30:03,720 --> 00:30:06,440
Speaker 1: having a twenty four to twenty five hundred yards from

650
00:30:06,440 --> 00:30:10,400
Speaker 1: scrimmage type of Banana's season. That's a that's lofty right

651
00:30:10,440 --> 00:30:12,640
Speaker 1: into the show, but maybe even twenty one year, you

652
00:30:12,680 --> 00:30:15,360
Speaker 1: know you're scrimmage, that would do it. So yeah, if

653
00:30:15,360 --> 00:30:19,400
Speaker 1: you were looking for a really deep sleeper, Travis Hunner

654
00:30:19,480 --> 00:30:23,280
Speaker 1: is way down there. Just saying people like voting for that.

655
00:30:23,360 --> 00:30:26,120
Speaker 1: All right, let's let's do Coach of the Year. This

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Speaker 1: is giving away maybe a team that you think is

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Speaker 1: going to be good, but it's time to do that.

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Speaker 3: It's it's the week before the season.

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Speaker 4: Yes, And this award, I want to be clear, usually

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Speaker 4: goes to coaches who outperform expectations. I think we can

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Speaker 4: agree that like the Andy Reids of the world, should

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Speaker 4: win this award every single season, but that's just not

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Speaker 4: how the voters think about this. And so I'm going

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Speaker 4: with Mike Vrabel here, not only because he does have

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Speaker 4: plenty of friends in the media.

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Speaker 3: But oh but also I like this angle.

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Speaker 4: But also because I believe that he, as the head

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Speaker 4: coach of the Patriots, will lead that team to vastly outperforming,

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Speaker 4: if not at least extremely outperforming the expectations entering the season,

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Speaker 4: especially relative to the disaster that it was last year,

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Speaker 4: the absolute destruction that the roster was in that he inherited,

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Speaker 4: and the fact that they have to rebuild basically three

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Speaker 4: draft classes, and so you're gonna have to out coach

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Speaker 4: and outperform the talent that you have and the depth,

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Speaker 4: especially the lack of depth that they have. And I

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Speaker 4: think if Mike Rabel can do that. I'm not saying

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Speaker 4: that this is a playoff team per se, but I

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Speaker 4: think that if he can do that.

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Speaker 3: If well, they got to be a playoff team for

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Speaker 3: him to make any chance to win this.

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Speaker 4: I'm just saying I think that if they look if

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Speaker 4: they look good, if they lose close games and they

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Speaker 4: and they win enough of them. I think he is

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Speaker 4: a front runner.

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Speaker 2: For Coach of the Year.

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Speaker 1: Their expectations, though, are sneaky high, like they're over unders

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Speaker 1: eight and a half. Everyone's perdicting them to make the playoffs.

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Speaker 1: I'm a little anxious when I see that. I've seen

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Speaker 1: some of the predictions coming out this week. I think,

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Speaker 1: on average, they are probably going to get picked to

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Speaker 1: make the playoffs, where they're like a consensus six or

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Speaker 1: seven seed someone if some team had to. Obviously a

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Speaker 1: lot of people disagree, but I'm seeing them get there,

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Speaker 1: and Vegas is there with them too, and they have

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Speaker 1: on paper one of, if not the easiest schedules in

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Speaker 1: the entire league. So to me, for him to win

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Speaker 1: this award, they'd have to win at least ten or

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Speaker 1: eleven games, maybe more, and that would be the only

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Speaker 1: way too vastly exceed expectations. The expectations locally and nationally

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Speaker 1: are like nine to eight at worst.

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Speaker 4: You know, I'm really not talking about the expectations that

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Speaker 4: like Vegas is placing on them, or the consensus.

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Speaker 2: Odd I'm really not talking about.

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Speaker 3: I mean the people though, like that, how people think

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Speaker 3: the voters you.

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Speaker 4: Know I'm talking about what this team will look like

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Speaker 4: relative to what it looked like last year. I don't

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Speaker 4: think he has to win ten or eleven games to

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Speaker 4: be a front runner for this job.

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Speaker 1: I do because I just think the expectations from the

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Speaker 1: voters are going to be so high that people think

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Speaker 1: that they're a playoff team, or at least a borderline

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Speaker 1: playoff team. I went for a more under the radar

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Speaker 1: guy in terms of the odds, but not much more.

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Speaker 1: Rabel's the second favorite. Aaron Glenn is the fourth favorite.

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Speaker 2: I could see it.

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Speaker 1: He's someone where if they just won nine games, would

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Speaker 1: have a chance at this award. Call it the Dick

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Speaker 1: Jeron like memorial of like, you know, just a guy who,

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Speaker 1: like what the Bears won that many games.

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Speaker 3: Actually he won a ton of games.

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Speaker 1: He might have won like thirteen when he won Coach

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Speaker 1: of the Year, but just totally exceeds expectations because the

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Speaker 1: Jets are expected to be one of the worst teams

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Speaker 1: in the league. And when I'm saying like the Vegas

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Speaker 1: odds and using that as a framework, I think it

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Speaker 1: is useful because it's ultimately just a reflection of the

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Speaker 1: average person and how they're seeing it as well, and

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Speaker 1: ultimately how the media is seeing it as well, and

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Speaker 1: everyone has the Jets buried, and so I think if

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Speaker 1: they come out and they're just competitive and you can

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Speaker 1: see the fighting spirit that they have and they just

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Speaker 1: look so different from an offensive perspective, and then just

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Speaker 1: play hard on defense and they win nine games, I

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Speaker 1: could see him winning.

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Speaker 4: It's funny because that's literally what I just said about

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Speaker 4: the Patriots, except the market is so different, and the I.

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Speaker 1: Agree, I think they should be the same. I am

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Speaker 1: with you that I I.

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Speaker 4: Just think it's I just think it's funny. That tells

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Speaker 4: you exactly how different the expectations in the markets are relatively.

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Speaker 1: Part of it was the Patriots spent a ton of

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Speaker 1: money in free agency and the Jets didn't, and people

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Speaker 1: just pay attention to that, but I think they don't

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Speaker 1: realize how much they had to overcome. Ben Johnson is

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Speaker 1: the favorite right now for Coach of the Year. Liam

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Speaker 1: Cohen is up there. It is often a guy in

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Speaker 1: the first year of his new spot. Pete Carroll is

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Speaker 1: up there as well, like Canalist Mike McDonald. We can

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Speaker 1: be the change, though, I want that freaking AP vote.

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Speaker 1: Give me the vote. I voted Andy Reid last year

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Speaker 1: to end the season, I thought he was my coach

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Speaker 1: of the Year because I did not think that was

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Speaker 1: like a great Chiefs team, and the way they got

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Speaker 1: through that regular season was like an absolutely incredible coaching job.

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Speaker 1: Let's do Offensive Rookie of the Year and Defensive Rookie

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Speaker 1: of the Year.

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Speaker 2: You might be surprised my mind. Actually, this is a

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Speaker 2: volume pick.

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Speaker 4: I think that this player is going to be needed

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Speaker 4: and utilized so immediately that his volume of catches, of

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Speaker 4: snaps of carries is going to be so significant that

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Speaker 4: he'll just stay in the collective conscious for the entire

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Speaker 4: season and become a true weapon for this team.

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Speaker 2: It's Trevion Henderson.

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Speaker 3: Wow.

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Speaker 4: I think that the Patriots rookie running back Travion Henderson

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Speaker 4: could be the offensive Rookie of the Year. And that's because,

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Speaker 4: in part, he will be so urgently needed that there

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Speaker 4: is no choice but for him to have to produce.

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Speaker 1: Reminder Stevenson's out there and like, hey, I'm one of

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Speaker 1: the highest paid running back for.

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Speaker 2: Lead in every phase.

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Speaker 4: I think this guy's going to be on the field

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Speaker 4: way more than maybe people expected when they got drafted.

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Speaker 1: I think that's right, and I think he's a great

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Speaker 1: value too. I'm surprised he's sixth on the list. He's

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Speaker 1: plus fourteen hundred if you're curious. Genty with the Raiders, Ashton,

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Speaker 1: Denty and cam Ward are way ahead of the pack

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Speaker 1: as potential favorites, which makes me way happier to pick

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Speaker 1: Travis Hunter, who's fourth on the list.

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Speaker 4: I wanted to pick him so bad because I believe

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Speaker 4: so much in him, and I wanted to pick him

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Speaker 4: so bad, but I thought about volume, and I thought about, yeah,

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Speaker 4: how many how much? You know, all of this is

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Speaker 4: gonna maybe be in Travon Henderson's favor in terms of

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Speaker 4: having to produce.

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Speaker 1: And that's why I need the season to start, because

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Speaker 1: I just keep making the same points where like I

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Speaker 1: don't buy that long term, but that is the logical assumption,

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Speaker 1: Like he's not getting that many snaps, they're going to

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Speaker 1: work them in slowly. That all makes sense to me.

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Speaker 1: I believe in his talent enough that like by week

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Speaker 1: three or four, which is basically the whole season, he

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Speaker 1: can be getting that volume that he's a better prospect

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Speaker 1: than Brian Thomas Junior was a year ago, Like he

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Speaker 1: can have a better season. He can be better than

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Speaker 1: Brian Thomas Junior is right now. So I am not

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Speaker 1: only taking him for Offensive Rookie of the Year. I'm

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Speaker 1: having him pull the Daily Double. Let's go Defensive Rookie

801
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Speaker 1: of the Year. He wins him both. He blows absolutely

802
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Speaker 1: everyone's mind. He's a much longer shot to win Defensive

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Speaker 1: Rookie of the Year.

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Speaker 2: Because because he won't be playing defense all the defensive

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Speaker 2: and he won't be rushing the passer.

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Speaker 1: Right, It's gonna be very tough, but it is a

807
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Speaker 1: narrative award sometime, and if he goes out there and

808
00:37:08,440 --> 00:37:11,120
Speaker 1: he gets four or five interceptions and he's a baller,

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Speaker 1: and people just get swept up in the Magic of

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Speaker 1: the Baseball Show.

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Speaker 3: Hey Otani.

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Speaker 1: He's actually only fifth in terms of the odds of

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Speaker 1: Defensive Rookie of the Year, way behind the favorite, Abdull Carter.

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Speaker 1: But he's plus thirteen hundred, so it's not that crazy.

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Speaker 1: I'm doing the Travis Hunner Daily Double.

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Speaker 2: I love it.

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Speaker 4: I want this to happen. I really want badly for

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Speaker 4: this to happen.

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Speaker 2: Colley, I still picked Abdul Carter to win Defensive Rookie

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Speaker 2: of the year. But the story that you're the picture

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Speaker 2: that you're painting, Greg want.

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Speaker 1: I partially didn't pick him just because I figured you

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Speaker 1: were picking him, and he is the most logical pick,

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Speaker 1: probably the right pick, but it.

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Speaker 2: Didn't but I like what you did.

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Speaker 3: It didn't feel as.

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Speaker 1: Fun and on a real level, like if I was

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Speaker 1: just looking at value or whatever, like Abdull Carter is

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Speaker 1: favored to win Defensive Rookie of the Year more than

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Speaker 1: anyone is favored to win any award, which it does

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Speaker 1: make sense to me, but that's that's not as fun.

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Speaker 1: And if you're into these sort of things, and I

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Speaker 1: know you're not, you know, there's there's less of a

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Speaker 1: return there. Yeah, and I'm obviously not. But we are

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Speaker 1: allowed to pick games and pick guys like this. You know,

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Speaker 1: we have a whole show Game Debut where we pick

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Speaker 1: games and pick scores every week. That the list a

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Speaker 1: Defensive Rookie of the Year is crazy. Jalen Walker is

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Speaker 1: second at plus nine fifty. He's like fourth on their

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Speaker 1: edge group, So that's terrible.

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Speaker 3: Mikel.

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Speaker 1: Williams just doesn't seem like a guy that is going

843
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Speaker 1: to put up numbers.

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Speaker 3: Is third.

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Speaker 1: Mike Green of the Ravens. I guess he's a pass rusher,

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Speaker 1: is fourth, like Johad Campbell would maybe be the other one.

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Speaker 4: Other than that would be my sleeper because I am

848
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Speaker 4: there there's some magical potential of Johad Campbell in this Eagles.

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Speaker 1: He's plus fifteen hundred and he's sixth on the list,

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Speaker 1: and yet these awards usually go to pass rushers and linebackers. Ye,

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Speaker 1: so Johad Campbell could apps get that quickly on assistant

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Speaker 1: coach because we've got Nick Westley.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, I'm good, ready to go.

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Speaker 2: I'm going Jesse Minter on assistant Coach the Year because

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Speaker 2: I think he's going to take this Chargers defense and

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00:39:10,680 --> 00:39:12,800
Speaker 2: from out coaching maybe a little bit of a talent

857
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Speaker 2: dearth and getting them to produce to a second year

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00:39:16,920 --> 00:39:19,080
Speaker 2: of the system doing things a little bit differently than

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Speaker 2: others in that coaching tree do. And he's getting a.

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Speaker 4: Lot of buzz already in these sort of circles that

861
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Speaker 4: talk about who might be head coaching, you know, on

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Speaker 4: the head coaching radar in the twenty twenty six cycle.

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Speaker 4: So I do think that Jesse Minter would be a

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Speaker 4: top choice of mine for assistant coach of the year.

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Speaker 2: I think that any.

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Speaker 3: Of these, like.

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Speaker 4: Chip on their shoulder coming back to try to, you know,

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Speaker 4: show what they learned, defensive coordinators who are helping first

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Speaker 4: time offensive head coaches might be candidates for this. And

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Speaker 4: then I also think our sleeper is you know, King

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Speaker 4: Grizzard down in Tampa Bay.

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Speaker 1: Oh, what is his actual Josh Gazzard, Josh Gazzard. I

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Speaker 1: love that. You know what's shocking, I'm looking this up

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Speaker 1: while you're talking, like, jesse Minner did not even come

875
00:40:09,040 --> 00:40:11,719
Speaker 1: in the top five last year for Assistant Coach of

876
00:40:11,719 --> 00:40:12,080
Speaker 1: the Year.

877
00:40:12,000 --> 00:40:12,640
Speaker 2: Which is crazy.

878
00:40:12,719 --> 00:40:16,600
Speaker 1: What group exceeded expectations? Look, I love Ben Johnson and

879
00:40:16,680 --> 00:40:19,200
Speaker 1: I love Brian Flores, but if we're talking about exceeding

880
00:40:19,360 --> 00:40:21,399
Speaker 1: expectations and doing a lot with a little, those were

881
00:40:21,400 --> 00:40:23,719
Speaker 1: the top two. And then you had Aaron Glenn and

882
00:40:23,800 --> 00:40:26,040
Speaker 1: Vic Fangio and Joe Brady all great of course.

883
00:40:26,280 --> 00:40:28,359
Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean I love Vic fanju I think.

884
00:40:28,280 --> 00:40:29,880
Speaker 1: Jesse Minner would have been a better pick for all

885
00:40:29,880 --> 00:40:31,040
Speaker 1: of them last year even.

886
00:40:30,920 --> 00:40:34,480
Speaker 4: Yeah, And I think again, we talk about markets and

887
00:40:34,520 --> 00:40:37,640
Speaker 4: eyeballs on teams and coverage of teams and all that stuff,

888
00:40:37,680 --> 00:40:39,319
Speaker 4: and so I think that's part of it. And I

889
00:40:39,320 --> 00:40:43,040
Speaker 4: also think some of it is you know, even players

890
00:40:43,040 --> 00:40:46,000
Speaker 4: like Diane Henley, who he really maximized out into being

891
00:40:46,040 --> 00:40:48,200
Speaker 4: one of the better linebackers in the NFL right now,

892
00:40:48,640 --> 00:40:51,160
Speaker 4: Like the way he was moving. Derwin James had like

893
00:40:51,200 --> 00:40:54,520
Speaker 4: a renaissance last year. All of that kind of flew

894
00:40:54,600 --> 00:40:57,359
Speaker 4: under the radar. Just saying so, I do think it's

895
00:40:57,400 --> 00:40:59,239
Speaker 4: time to give those guys a little bit more love.

896
00:40:59,560 --> 00:41:03,040
Speaker 1: And in light of being the change we want to see,

897
00:41:03,600 --> 00:41:06,319
Speaker 1: my pick is going to be Titans offensive line coach

898
00:41:06,360 --> 00:41:09,960
Speaker 1: Bill Callahan because everyone is eligible for this award and

899
00:41:10,000 --> 00:41:13,279
Speaker 1: they only vote for coordinator. I know, so let's get

900
00:41:13,280 --> 00:41:15,680
Speaker 1: it going. That's a good offensive line. Maybe cam Ward

901
00:41:15,680 --> 00:41:19,319
Speaker 1: as a surprising season, but if Jeff Stoutlin didn't even

902
00:41:19,320 --> 00:41:21,360
Speaker 1: come in the top five for voting last year for

903
00:41:21,400 --> 00:41:24,680
Speaker 1: the Eagles, is probably never gonna happen. Finally, speaking of

904
00:41:24,680 --> 00:41:28,600
Speaker 1: offensive lineman, the Protector of the Year award tough to

905
00:41:28,680 --> 00:41:32,520
Speaker 1: really handicap this ahead, but we'll try. Anyways, I know

906
00:41:32,560 --> 00:41:35,919
Speaker 1: Tristan Wurfs is hurt to start the season, but I'm

907
00:41:35,960 --> 00:41:37,399
Speaker 1: going to say he's going to come back and he's

908
00:41:37,400 --> 00:41:39,279
Speaker 1: going to look so good by the end of the year.

909
00:41:39,320 --> 00:41:41,439
Speaker 1: And their offense is in Grizzard is going to cook

910
00:41:41,600 --> 00:41:43,600
Speaker 1: so much that he wins it because I think he

911
00:41:43,719 --> 00:41:46,240
Speaker 1: might just be the best offensive lineman in football.

912
00:41:46,320 --> 00:41:49,279
Speaker 4: Yeah, I really debated between him. The injury factor took

913
00:41:49,360 --> 00:41:51,920
Speaker 4: him out of consideration. For me, I was looking at

914
00:41:51,920 --> 00:41:55,560
Speaker 4: Piney Sewel. I really think that because of pine Sewel's

915
00:41:55,600 --> 00:41:58,000
Speaker 4: like body of work that he's built up to this point,

916
00:41:58,000 --> 00:42:00,279
Speaker 4: maybe the first one that they give is like Tobody,

917
00:42:00,280 --> 00:42:03,000
Speaker 4: who's deserved it for a little while. I also want

918
00:42:03,000 --> 00:42:04,920
Speaker 4: to know Joe Alt moving over to left tackle, if

919
00:42:04,960 --> 00:42:07,919
Speaker 4: he plays well out of position, that's somebody to look

920
00:42:07,920 --> 00:42:12,600
Speaker 4: at for here. And my like sleeper pick is if

921
00:42:12,719 --> 00:42:16,439
Speaker 4: Patrick Mahomes has a MVP season, we have to talk

922
00:42:16,480 --> 00:42:19,640
Speaker 4: about Josh Simmons at left tackle. Whoa or the potential

923
00:42:19,760 --> 00:42:22,799
Speaker 4: of like surprising everybody and getting this award, Because if

924
00:42:22,840 --> 00:42:25,640
Speaker 4: Patrick Mahomes is protected the way that he should be protected,

925
00:42:26,040 --> 00:42:28,359
Speaker 4: that would mean Josh Simmons as a rookie is doing

926
00:42:28,360 --> 00:42:31,560
Speaker 4: his job at the top level, and that would mean

927
00:42:31,560 --> 00:42:33,080
Speaker 4: that he should be in the conversation here.

928
00:42:33,320 --> 00:42:36,280
Speaker 1: That would be wild and I wonder what his odds

929
00:42:36,320 --> 00:42:39,319
Speaker 1: are for offensive rookie of the year because.

930
00:42:39,000 --> 00:42:42,880
Speaker 4: He's probably not even on there right now, Like nobody's

931
00:42:42,920 --> 00:42:43,839
Speaker 4: talking about this guy.

932
00:42:44,000 --> 00:42:47,279
Speaker 1: Nobody ever votes for offensive lineman for Rookies of the Year,

933
00:42:47,360 --> 00:42:50,040
Speaker 1: so it would be tough to pull off. But yeah,

934
00:42:50,160 --> 00:42:54,160
Speaker 1: I can't even find him there, like he's he's literally

935
00:42:54,200 --> 00:42:55,160
Speaker 1: not listed anywhere.

936
00:42:55,200 --> 00:42:57,000
Speaker 4: I love that they called it Protector of the Year.

937
00:42:57,000 --> 00:42:58,479
Speaker 4: That's just good branding right there.

938
00:42:58,560 --> 00:43:02,279
Speaker 1: Honestly, I would love him winning that award. I don't

939
00:43:02,280 --> 00:43:04,000
Speaker 1: think it's gonna happen. You know what else, I love

940
00:43:04,680 --> 00:43:09,640
Speaker 1: the entire Wesseling family. We've got Nick Wesseling ready to

941
00:43:09,800 --> 00:43:11,680
Speaker 1: join the show. I don't know if he's had to

942
00:43:11,719 --> 00:43:14,480
Speaker 1: listen to us honk about the awards. We're just gonna

943
00:43:14,560 --> 00:43:22,680
Speaker 1: roll right into it. Yes, he is a member of

944
00:43:23,040 --> 00:43:26,960
Speaker 1: the Cincinnati Zoo, which is all the Westling Brothers. So

945
00:43:27,080 --> 00:43:31,120
Speaker 1: if I sometimes forget about new listeners, Nick, but I

946
00:43:31,160 --> 00:43:33,960
Speaker 1: do want to just bring up who you are as

947
00:43:33,960 --> 00:43:34,320
Speaker 1: we get it.

948
00:43:34,520 --> 00:43:34,680
Speaker 2: Are you?

949
00:43:34,719 --> 00:43:35,560
Speaker 3: How are you doing? Nick?

950
00:43:35,600 --> 00:43:40,279
Speaker 6: By the way, doing wonderful? Outstanding. Spent a couple of

951
00:43:40,320 --> 00:43:42,839
Speaker 6: weeks out of town on the West Coast a few

952
00:43:42,840 --> 00:43:46,239
Speaker 6: weeks ago, feeling relaxed and ready to rock and roll

953
00:43:46,280 --> 00:43:47,560
Speaker 6: for this football season.

954
00:43:47,880 --> 00:43:50,640
Speaker 1: Ah you look relax. You got the Cincinnati FC. I

955
00:43:50,680 --> 00:43:53,480
Speaker 1: know you're a big soccer guy the shirt on. But yes,

956
00:43:53,520 --> 00:43:56,799
Speaker 1: we are in the Chris Wesseling podcast studio. That is

957
00:43:57,120 --> 00:44:01,360
Speaker 1: Nick's brother, And it hit me today coming in that

958
00:44:01,400 --> 00:44:05,080
Speaker 1: we're we're coming on five years uh this super Bowl

959
00:44:06,520 --> 00:44:10,640
Speaker 1: when Chris died, and we love having the connection with

960
00:44:10,880 --> 00:44:12,440
Speaker 1: all the Westling brothers.

961
00:44:12,840 --> 00:44:15,879
Speaker 3: But Nick is the loudest of.

962
00:44:15,840 --> 00:44:19,920
Speaker 1: All of them, the one who just kind of is

963
00:44:19,960 --> 00:44:24,000
Speaker 1: a self appointed spokesman, maybe to the annoyance of all

964
00:44:24,040 --> 00:44:24,760
Speaker 1: the other brothers.

965
00:44:24,880 --> 00:44:28,319
Speaker 3: But it's been extremely effective. Nick.

966
00:44:28,520 --> 00:44:30,600
Speaker 1: I think it even got you to the best man

967
00:44:30,760 --> 00:44:33,239
Speaker 1: status at Chris's wedding. I gotta I gotta give it

968
00:44:33,320 --> 00:44:35,960
Speaker 1: up to you for that, and so we love to

969
00:44:36,000 --> 00:44:38,440
Speaker 1: have you on to talk, talk a little football and

970
00:44:39,000 --> 00:44:40,720
Speaker 1: just have a little more whistling in our life.

971
00:44:41,840 --> 00:44:47,920
Speaker 6: Well, some people say loudest, some people say best. Either

972
00:44:48,080 --> 00:44:50,719
Speaker 6: either way, I'll take it. I was the middle child,

973
00:44:50,840 --> 00:44:52,960
Speaker 6: three old or three younger, so I didn't get paid

974
00:44:52,960 --> 00:44:55,759
Speaker 6: attention to unless they yelled and scream. But they taught

975
00:44:55,800 --> 00:44:58,080
Speaker 6: me at a at a young age to go ahead

976
00:44:58,080 --> 00:44:58,560
Speaker 6: and be heard.

977
00:44:58,920 --> 00:45:01,759
Speaker 3: No, you kept it all together. Although I to me

978
00:45:02,160 --> 00:45:02,720
Speaker 3: not best.

979
00:45:02,800 --> 00:45:05,279
Speaker 1: You know I love you all, and I think Phil

980
00:45:05,360 --> 00:45:07,200
Speaker 1: is probably the only one that's actually going to listen

981
00:45:07,200 --> 00:45:10,319
Speaker 1: to this. And it's also the week that we do

982
00:45:10,440 --> 00:45:13,000
Speaker 1: our fantasy league. My kids do a fantasy league, which

983
00:45:13,200 --> 00:45:17,240
Speaker 1: his son Mackie is in, and love Phil, love Mackie.

984
00:45:17,320 --> 00:45:19,400
Speaker 1: So no favorites here. But I know you have the

985
00:45:19,440 --> 00:45:23,400
Speaker 1: hottest of takes, Nick, So let's let's get into some football.

986
00:45:23,440 --> 00:45:25,279
Speaker 1: I gave you some prompts going into the year. I

987
00:45:25,320 --> 00:45:28,239
Speaker 1: wanted Nick some Nick Westling predictions. I have no idea

988
00:45:28,280 --> 00:45:30,920
Speaker 1: where you're going to go with this, but we just

989
00:45:30,960 --> 00:45:32,520
Speaker 1: did a bunch of awards. Do you have like an

990
00:45:32,680 --> 00:45:35,320
Speaker 1: awards prediction for this season?

991
00:45:36,600 --> 00:45:38,319
Speaker 6: And this is going to sound like a Homer take,

992
00:45:38,440 --> 00:45:42,279
Speaker 6: but Joe Burrow will win the MVP this year. With

993
00:45:43,280 --> 00:45:46,640
Speaker 6: this awful defense that the Bengals look like they're trouting

994
00:45:46,640 --> 00:45:48,800
Speaker 6: out there, They're going to have to put up fifty

995
00:45:48,840 --> 00:45:51,200
Speaker 6: every game and I think they have the ability to

996
00:45:51,280 --> 00:45:54,640
Speaker 6: do that. So I think it's his best year yet.

997
00:45:55,160 --> 00:45:57,400
Speaker 6: I think the people will get a little tired of

998
00:45:57,480 --> 00:46:01,239
Speaker 6: voting for Lamar Jackson Patrick mahone, And even if they

999
00:46:01,239 --> 00:46:05,879
Speaker 6: have similar years, I think Joe Burrow's numbers out through

1000
00:46:05,920 --> 00:46:08,359
Speaker 6: all of them, and he's your MVP for this year.

1001
00:46:08,520 --> 00:46:12,160
Speaker 4: Nick, what is your take on, like the internal rage

1002
00:46:12,400 --> 00:46:15,800
Speaker 4: that Joe Burrow seems to be managing at all times when.

1003
00:46:15,680 --> 00:46:19,400
Speaker 5: He's on the sideline watching this defense. I know you

1004
00:46:19,440 --> 00:46:22,879
Speaker 5: are locked into this as a storyline. What is your

1005
00:46:22,920 --> 00:46:26,000
Speaker 5: take on just his I would say rage management would

1006
00:46:26,000 --> 00:46:27,680
Speaker 5: be how I would I would call that.

1007
00:46:28,640 --> 00:46:30,480
Speaker 6: I tell you what. I think that's the reason people

1008
00:46:30,520 --> 00:46:32,880
Speaker 6: like him so much, Yeah, is because he keeps it

1009
00:46:32,920 --> 00:46:36,000
Speaker 6: cool even though you can tell he's furious. I think

1010
00:46:36,040 --> 00:46:39,480
Speaker 6: it was about midway through last season when he was

1011
00:46:39,520 --> 00:46:43,000
Speaker 6: given post press conferences and people were asking him questions

1012
00:46:43,000 --> 00:46:47,520
Speaker 6: and he's just like, yeah, yeah, yeah, that's terrible. Yeah,

1013
00:46:47,520 --> 00:46:49,839
Speaker 6: we got to do better, and you're just thinking, like, man,

1014
00:46:49,880 --> 00:46:51,680
Speaker 6: he wants to punch the guy who asked that question.

1015
00:46:52,040 --> 00:46:55,200
Speaker 6: Obviously he's not going to do that. And he's always

1016
00:46:55,239 --> 00:46:59,439
Speaker 6: been a class fact. This bangles off season. I don't

1017
00:46:59,480 --> 00:47:02,960
Speaker 6: know what the right word is. Tumultuous might be a

1018
00:47:02,960 --> 00:47:06,359
Speaker 6: good word for it. They seem to at the last

1019
00:47:06,400 --> 00:47:10,640
Speaker 6: second get it together and realize that they needed Trey Hendrickson.

1020
00:47:12,239 --> 00:47:15,960
Speaker 6: You know, even the Shamar Stewart saga earlier, people have

1021
00:47:16,000 --> 00:47:18,600
Speaker 6: forgotten about that because the Trey Hendrickson went all the

1022
00:47:18,600 --> 00:47:21,879
Speaker 6: way through the preseason that you know, they just didn't

1023
00:47:21,920 --> 00:47:24,880
Speaker 6: seem to have their stuff together. What do you think?

1024
00:47:25,000 --> 00:47:27,640
Speaker 1: What do you think Wes would think about? Where where

1025
00:47:27,640 --> 00:47:32,400
Speaker 1: they're at? Because on one hand, this is the best era.

1026
00:47:32,560 --> 00:47:34,760
Speaker 1: They're back in a winning era for the first time

1027
00:47:35,000 --> 00:47:38,800
Speaker 1: since you guys were kids, and they have they found

1028
00:47:38,880 --> 00:47:42,080
Speaker 1: the quarterback. I mean, he's going to be, if not already,

1029
00:47:42,120 --> 00:47:44,360
Speaker 1: the best quarterback in the history of the franchise. And

1030
00:47:44,400 --> 00:47:47,719
Speaker 1: yet they seem very like Bengals e what what like?

1031
00:47:47,760 --> 00:47:49,200
Speaker 1: Where do you think he would be at? Where are

1032
00:47:49,239 --> 00:47:52,120
Speaker 1: you guys at? It's it's such a weird, complicated relationship

1033
00:47:52,320 --> 00:47:54,800
Speaker 1: the Wesseling family has with the Bengals.

1034
00:47:55,239 --> 00:47:59,560
Speaker 6: Yeah, it's it's I mean, so I'm more similar to Chris.

1035
00:48:00,160 --> 00:48:03,200
Speaker 6: He was more vested and hated them. I was more indifferent.

1036
00:48:03,920 --> 00:48:05,560
Speaker 6: I don't know, hate. Hate's probably the wrong word.

1037
00:48:05,640 --> 00:48:08,400
Speaker 1: No, I think I think Hay was accurate for a

1038
00:48:08,440 --> 00:48:10,120
Speaker 1: long time, but I always felt like that was the

1039
00:48:10,120 --> 00:48:12,600
Speaker 1: flip side of love, right, you know, he cared.

1040
00:48:12,440 --> 00:48:16,640
Speaker 6: Right, Yeah, yeah, if you want to go down that street, yeah,

1041
00:48:16,719 --> 00:48:20,239
Speaker 6: they the indifference would be more what I was for

1042
00:48:20,280 --> 00:48:24,080
Speaker 6: twenty years, obviously him working for the NFL, and then

1043
00:48:25,080 --> 00:48:27,680
Speaker 6: even though the Andy Dalton years were frustrating, at least

1044
00:48:27,680 --> 00:48:30,080
Speaker 6: they were competitive for most of that time, even the

1045
00:48:30,120 --> 00:48:34,040
Speaker 6: Carson Palmer years, so it was easy. It was very

1046
00:48:34,080 --> 00:48:37,000
Speaker 6: easy to get invested again with this team because they're

1047
00:48:37,040 --> 00:48:39,600
Speaker 6: a lovable team. They got, you know, the receivers they have,

1048
00:48:39,880 --> 00:48:43,799
Speaker 6: Joe Burrow, you know, even the coaching staff is a

1049
00:48:43,800 --> 00:48:46,480
Speaker 6: little vanilla, but they seem to put their best players

1050
00:48:46,480 --> 00:48:49,080
Speaker 6: in position to win. So they were an easy team

1051
00:48:49,120 --> 00:48:51,520
Speaker 6: to root for. But then the organization does things like

1052
00:48:51,560 --> 00:48:54,160
Speaker 6: they did this off season and even last off season,

1053
00:48:54,239 --> 00:48:57,319
Speaker 6: not signing Higgins and Chase when clearly they wanted to

1054
00:48:57,360 --> 00:48:59,400
Speaker 6: do it all along and they just had to pay

1055
00:48:59,440 --> 00:49:02,280
Speaker 6: an extra fifty million dollars assignment to him. It seems

1056
00:49:02,840 --> 00:49:06,160
Speaker 6: seems counterproductive to me, but obviously I'm not running the franchise,

1057
00:49:06,200 --> 00:49:07,799
Speaker 6: so I don't really get a say in that. By

1058
00:49:07,880 --> 00:49:10,120
Speaker 6: the way, Jordan, congratulations on the new gig. I love

1059
00:49:10,800 --> 00:49:11,759
Speaker 6: and love reading your work.

1060
00:49:11,840 --> 00:49:16,200
Speaker 2: So oh no, I'm gonna cry. I guess.

1061
00:49:16,280 --> 00:49:18,319
Speaker 4: I guess when I heard your voice and I was

1062
00:49:18,320 --> 00:49:19,200
Speaker 4: trying not to cry.

1063
00:49:19,280 --> 00:49:21,080
Speaker 2: You sound so much like Chris.

1064
00:49:21,200 --> 00:49:24,160
Speaker 3: You sound a lot like Chris. Yeah, and let.

1065
00:49:24,160 --> 00:49:26,120
Speaker 6: Me go ahead and say, Chris would be really proud too.

1066
00:49:26,200 --> 00:49:26,600
Speaker 6: He liked you.

1067
00:49:27,440 --> 00:49:30,200
Speaker 1: He he really wouldn't. He was, and he was a

1068
00:49:30,200 --> 00:49:34,400
Speaker 1: fan of Jordan's writing big time. And it is one

1069
00:49:34,440 --> 00:49:38,160
Speaker 1: of those things you think about, like, you know, the

1070
00:49:38,239 --> 00:49:40,720
Speaker 1: takes that we're missing from him. And it is interesting

1071
00:49:40,719 --> 00:49:42,680
Speaker 1: because Burrow got hurt in that rookie year, and that

1072
00:49:42,760 --> 00:49:45,160
Speaker 1: rookie year was was the last year that that Chris

1073
00:49:45,200 --> 00:49:47,120
Speaker 1: was with us. And then of course that first year

1074
00:49:48,040 --> 00:49:51,359
Speaker 1: where Burrows starting. We finish it, Nick, you and all

1075
00:49:51,400 --> 00:49:56,200
Speaker 1: the brothers at Sofi Stadium and you know you're watching

1076
00:49:56,239 --> 00:49:59,359
Speaker 1: it with Keisha. Keisha's got the jersey that she made

1077
00:49:59,360 --> 00:50:02,320
Speaker 1: special for the day that was half Rams half Bengals,

1078
00:50:02,360 --> 00:50:07,320
Speaker 1: and unfortunately it felt fitting that the Bengals came up short.

1079
00:50:07,360 --> 00:50:10,840
Speaker 1: But it was a crazy day. I am I'm curious

1080
00:50:10,840 --> 00:50:12,839
Speaker 1: about your reflections of that day. I'm also curious how

1081
00:50:12,840 --> 00:50:14,040
Speaker 1: you think this team is going to be this year.

1082
00:50:14,040 --> 00:50:15,600
Speaker 1: But let's think about that day for now.

1083
00:50:16,440 --> 00:50:19,880
Speaker 6: Well, well, we'll do the super Bowl. It still seems

1084
00:50:19,920 --> 00:50:25,480
Speaker 6: a little surreal that that year was a wild ride. Obviously,

1085
00:50:25,560 --> 00:50:28,840
Speaker 6: they seemed just like an average team until the last

1086
00:50:28,840 --> 00:50:31,000
Speaker 6: few weeks of the regular season and they turned it on

1087
00:50:31,120 --> 00:50:36,160
Speaker 6: and that defense kept making play after play after play. Unfortunately,

1088
00:50:36,239 --> 00:50:41,720
Speaker 6: Joe Burrow was had me, you, Jordan and the produce

1089
00:50:41,840 --> 00:50:45,279
Speaker 6: production team blocking in front of him that year, so

1090
00:50:45,360 --> 00:50:48,759
Speaker 6: there wasn't much chance of him putting up some of

1091
00:50:48,760 --> 00:50:52,479
Speaker 6: the numbers he's been putting up the last couple of years. Yeah,

1092
00:50:52,640 --> 00:50:54,800
Speaker 6: that was a rough If you ever want to be entertained,

1093
00:50:54,840 --> 00:50:57,600
Speaker 6: go back and look at that the starting five offensive

1094
00:50:57,600 --> 00:51:00,880
Speaker 6: linemen in that Super Bowl and see three guys that

1095
00:51:00,960 --> 00:51:04,480
Speaker 6: never played again, and uh another guy that that barely

1096
00:51:04,520 --> 00:51:06,760
Speaker 6: played again, and then one who had a deep career.

1097
00:51:06,840 --> 00:51:08,880
Speaker 1: The second half of that game is the second half

1098
00:51:08,920 --> 00:51:12,120
Speaker 1: of that game is brutal to rewatch because the Bengals

1099
00:51:12,200 --> 00:51:16,840
Speaker 1: defense dominated Matthew Stafford and the Rams for so long

1100
00:51:17,000 --> 00:51:18,120
Speaker 1: and they just and.

1101
00:51:18,200 --> 00:51:20,680
Speaker 4: Oh yeah, you're finding those guys up against von Miller

1102
00:51:20,719 --> 00:51:24,960
Speaker 4: and Aaron Donald, you know, like yeah, they.

1103
00:51:24,840 --> 00:51:26,640
Speaker 6: Decided on the most important player of the game to

1104
00:51:26,760 --> 00:51:29,240
Speaker 6: just go ahead and let Aaron Donald go and destroy

1105
00:51:29,760 --> 00:51:32,879
Speaker 6: Joe Burrow. You know, half a second before Jamar Chase

1106
00:51:32,920 --> 00:51:33,479
Speaker 6: is wide open.

1107
00:51:34,480 --> 00:51:35,080
Speaker 3: I gotta say that.

1108
00:51:35,160 --> 00:51:39,319
Speaker 1: We got drinks like one at your at your Airbnb

1109
00:51:39,480 --> 00:51:42,680
Speaker 1: that you had nearby, and the Westling brothers were in

1110
00:51:42,840 --> 00:51:43,200
Speaker 1: plenty of.

1111
00:51:43,160 --> 00:51:44,400
Speaker 3: Good spirits afterwards.

1112
00:51:44,560 --> 00:51:48,719
Speaker 1: It was we were feeling a lot obviously that entire year,

1113
00:51:48,760 --> 00:51:51,720
Speaker 1: and we still do in that night especially, but you guys,

1114
00:51:51,760 --> 00:51:54,200
Speaker 1: you guys were like enjoying, you were you were living

1115
00:51:54,320 --> 00:51:56,160
Speaker 1: in the moment. I'm curious, what, okay, if you have

1116
00:51:56,239 --> 00:51:57,719
Speaker 1: Joe Burrow winning m v P, what do you think

1117
00:51:57,760 --> 00:51:58,839
Speaker 1: this team is going to do this year?

1118
00:51:59,480 --> 00:52:02,040
Speaker 6: So we'll know after week two. I think if they're

1119
00:52:02,040 --> 00:52:05,879
Speaker 6: not two and oh, they're at the Browns and then

1120
00:52:06,120 --> 00:52:09,640
Speaker 6: Jaguars at home before they go, I'm gonna have to

1121
00:52:09,680 --> 00:52:11,640
Speaker 6: look at my cheat sheet here, my notes here, but

1122
00:52:12,120 --> 00:52:14,440
Speaker 6: they have the next five games are absolutely brutal. I

1123
00:52:14,480 --> 00:52:20,960
Speaker 6: think they have at who was it at at Vikings,

1124
00:52:21,719 --> 00:52:26,200
Speaker 6: then then Broncos at home, Lions and I'm sorry, Broncos

1125
00:52:26,200 --> 00:52:28,799
Speaker 6: on the road, Lions at home, Packers on the road,

1126
00:52:28,880 --> 00:52:31,160
Speaker 6: Steelers at home. Before they on October.

1127
00:52:30,719 --> 00:52:36,239
Speaker 1: Twenty, they're all looking at your schedule and saying, oh, no,

1128
00:52:36,320 --> 00:52:37,640
Speaker 1: we got the Bengals that week.

1129
00:52:38,160 --> 00:52:40,520
Speaker 2: Well, oh no, we've got the Bengals offense.

1130
00:52:43,800 --> 00:52:45,319
Speaker 6: But if they're not too and oh, I can't take

1131
00:52:45,320 --> 00:52:48,000
Speaker 6: them serious this year. I think if they're, you know,

1132
00:52:48,120 --> 00:52:50,840
Speaker 6: somewhere five and four going into the end of October

1133
00:52:52,000 --> 00:52:56,080
Speaker 6: early November, I think they're legitimate contender for the Super Bowl.

1134
00:52:57,440 --> 00:52:59,520
Speaker 6: I just think that Joe Burrow is that good and

1135
00:52:59,560 --> 00:53:01,560
Speaker 6: it's off is that good that they can carry him.

1136
00:53:01,760 --> 00:53:03,080
Speaker 6: He saw it at the end of last year. They

1137
00:53:03,120 --> 00:53:05,719
Speaker 6: almost snuck in somehow. I think when they win five

1138
00:53:05,760 --> 00:53:10,600
Speaker 6: straight games at the end, they make it interesting. It

1139
00:53:10,640 --> 00:53:13,840
Speaker 6: gets frustrating watching this team and watching the organization, but

1140
00:53:14,400 --> 00:53:16,040
Speaker 6: I can't take my eyes off of him.

1141
00:53:16,400 --> 00:53:19,120
Speaker 1: It's a crime if they are five and four even

1142
00:53:19,320 --> 00:53:20,759
Speaker 1: or if they don't make the playoffs, like the heat

1143
00:53:20,840 --> 00:53:24,760
Speaker 1: needs to be on Zach Taylor. It's it's an organizational failure.

1144
00:53:24,800 --> 00:53:27,400
Speaker 1: The way Joe Burrow is playing to not be winning

1145
00:53:27,680 --> 00:53:30,200
Speaker 1: like twelve games a year, I don't know how I

1146
00:53:30,239 --> 00:53:32,480
Speaker 1: feel about it. Like on paper that the defense is

1147
00:53:32,480 --> 00:53:35,839
Speaker 1: not going to be good, but but defenses are more unpredictable.

1148
00:53:35,960 --> 00:53:41,160
Speaker 1: Nick Westling, are you gonna like text your brothers and

1149
00:53:41,239 --> 00:53:43,520
Speaker 1: brag about this appearance or how how are you going

1150
00:53:43,600 --> 00:53:44,120
Speaker 1: to handle it?

1151
00:53:44,200 --> 00:53:45,960
Speaker 6: No, we're going to find out which ones are still

1152
00:53:45,960 --> 00:53:50,600
Speaker 6: listening to you. I know, I know filled regularly.

1153
00:53:51,239 --> 00:53:52,879
Speaker 3: I mean he was the only one. You guys were

1154
00:53:52,920 --> 00:53:54,640
Speaker 3: the only two that ever did in the first place.

1155
00:53:54,680 --> 00:53:56,640
Speaker 3: Who else? I don't think Tim.

1156
00:53:56,680 --> 00:53:59,600
Speaker 6: Tim was an avid listener and loved listening to the

1157
00:53:59,640 --> 00:54:04,400
Speaker 6: old and I know he occasionally listens now and so

1158
00:54:04,520 --> 00:54:08,160
Speaker 6: does Mike. Eddie was Eddie was listening. By the way, Eddie,

1159
00:54:08,160 --> 00:54:11,359
Speaker 6: I don't know this is public, it's it's all out there.

1160
00:54:11,360 --> 00:54:14,520
Speaker 6: But Eddie, my oldest brother, Ed had a battle with

1161
00:54:14,640 --> 00:54:17,600
Speaker 6: cancer and he's doing very very well. He's in remission.

1162
00:54:17,640 --> 00:54:19,759
Speaker 6: Everything's going well. He's being in his way back, so

1163
00:54:19,800 --> 00:54:23,520
Speaker 6: he looks good, looking strong. So if he's listening, we

1164
00:54:23,640 --> 00:54:26,560
Speaker 6: love you and uh and good to see you healthy again.

1165
00:54:26,920 --> 00:54:28,360
Speaker 3: Yeah, love Eddie.

1166
00:54:28,640 --> 00:54:33,160
Speaker 1: Was always remember meeting Eddie at uh at Chris's wedding

1167
00:54:33,400 --> 00:54:35,759
Speaker 1: down down in Tybee and being like, wait, this is

1168
00:54:35,800 --> 00:54:39,480
Speaker 1: a Westling brother, because he just it's just different than

1169
00:54:39,520 --> 00:54:41,640
Speaker 1: the rest of them, you know, just just a little different.

1170
00:54:42,360 --> 00:54:47,040
Speaker 1: Love you, Nick, love love having you on and uh, yeah,

1171
00:54:47,080 --> 00:54:49,080
Speaker 1: the season wouldn't have felt right to start with a

1172
00:54:49,120 --> 00:54:50,719
Speaker 1: little a little Westling on the show.

1173
00:54:50,840 --> 00:54:53,239
Speaker 3: And hope to get you back for for one of

1174
00:54:53,239 --> 00:54:58,359
Speaker 3: those Bengals primetime game recaps. Maybe down the line any time, Greg, all.

1175
00:54:58,320 --> 00:55:01,280
Speaker 1: Right, that's it. We're done for today. We're not done,

1176
00:55:01,480 --> 00:55:04,160
Speaker 1: uh for this week. But Nick, by the way, you

1177
00:55:04,160 --> 00:55:05,879
Speaker 1: you made Jordan's day.

1178
00:55:06,360 --> 00:55:10,480
Speaker 4: Yeah, I'm trying to I'm like, I'm blotchy because I was.

1179
00:55:11,480 --> 00:55:12,520
Speaker 2: I was trying not to cry.

1180
00:55:12,640 --> 00:55:12,799
Speaker 3: Nick.

1181
00:55:12,840 --> 00:55:15,520
Speaker 4: It is such an honor. Thank you so much for

1182
00:55:16,000 --> 00:55:19,400
Speaker 4: joining the show. When I am on the show, I listen,

1183
00:55:19,600 --> 00:55:22,680
Speaker 4: I've heard your voice and and all of that, and man,

1184
00:55:22,800 --> 00:55:26,520
Speaker 4: you sound so much like Chris and I just it's

1185
00:55:26,520 --> 00:55:26,960
Speaker 4: an honor.

1186
00:55:27,040 --> 00:55:27,879
Speaker 2: Thank you so much.

1187
00:55:28,160 --> 00:55:30,160
Speaker 3: Nick. It was a pleasure. It was definitely not an

1188
00:55:30,200 --> 00:55:31,200
Speaker 3: honor to have.

1189
00:55:31,080 --> 00:55:35,520
Speaker 2: You don't listen to Greg, I mean, that's.

1190
00:55:35,360 --> 00:55:38,000
Speaker 3: A little that's a little boutch, but it was. It

1191
00:55:38,040 --> 00:55:39,080
Speaker 3: was a pleasure, a.

1192
00:55:39,520 --> 00:55:42,840
Speaker 6: Pleasure to be on with. Jordan's such a fantastic writer

1193
00:55:42,960 --> 00:55:46,040
Speaker 6: and analyst. And well, it's always good to see you too, Greg.

1194
00:55:47,120 --> 00:55:50,879
Speaker 1: I guess that was get the music. Let's get out

1195
00:55:50,880 --> 00:55:55,359
Speaker 1: of here. We will be back on Thursday. One of

1196
00:55:55,400 --> 00:55:58,160
Speaker 1: my favorite annual shows of the year. I mean, imagine

1197
00:55:58,160 --> 00:56:02,320
Speaker 1: if Nick Westling picked the right over unders in a

1198
00:56:02,440 --> 00:56:07,600
Speaker 1: draft for four straight years undefeated, he would never freaking

1199
00:56:07,760 --> 00:56:09,719
Speaker 1: stop talking about it. That's what I've done for the

1200
00:56:09,800 --> 00:56:12,400
Speaker 1: last four years. Can I make it five? Nick Wright?

1201
00:56:12,520 --> 00:56:13,960
Speaker 1: On Thursday. We'll see you