Speaker 1: What the actual fuck with Blake and Justin.
Speaker 2: I can't believe I haven't discussed with you guys, Blake
Speaker 2: Lively and Justin Baldoni. I don't even really understand what's
Speaker 2: going on. Kennice Owens has retired from her career and
Speaker 2: is literally focused solely.
Speaker 1: On talking about them at this point.
Speaker 2: It's like people are fixated because people have never seen
Speaker 2: something like this, And I don't think people are actually
Speaker 2: fixated with the two of them. I don't think it's
Speaker 2: that they're fascinating creatures. I think it's the labyrinth and
Speaker 2: the cobweb and the spider actually the spider web, and
Speaker 2: like the tentacles and the people and the multiple lawsuits
Speaker 2: and if you don't know they were in the movie,
Speaker 2: it ends with us and it's about domestic violence. And
Speaker 2: Blake did the premiere and at the premiere was promoting
Speaker 2: her personal products and it hit wrong in the mob
Speaker 2: and the world of social media because she was promoting
Speaker 2: cocktails and spring florals and it was a domestic violence
Speaker 2: movie and she was trying to like jam all the
Speaker 2: promotion into one red carpet. And I did videos saying
Speaker 2: that it's like an archaic model where the representatives don't
Speaker 2: understand the modern day and how to do PR in
Speaker 2: twenty twenty four versus like when these A list actors
Speaker 2: used to be sort of owned by studios and just
Speaker 2: pushed out there to push the product. And the PR
Speaker 2: agents used to be able to control the media because
Speaker 2: what used to happen, and it happens in places like
Speaker 2: the Kardashians, like where Chris Jenner. If there's a bad
Speaker 2: picture that comes out of someone, she can be like,
Speaker 2: and I think they might have invested in one of
Speaker 2: the photo agencies. But she can be like, we'll give
Speaker 2: you another picture if you put take that one down,
Speaker 2: or we're not going to let you talk to anyone
Speaker 2: from the family if you say something bad about one
Speaker 2: member of the family. You know, and PR agents can say,
Speaker 2: I'm not letting you talk to this a list star
Speaker 2: or holding that a list star that everyone wants to
Speaker 2: hear from leverage, because then you have to talk to
Speaker 2: this other person and you have to make the article
Speaker 2: look like this.
Speaker 1: This stuff all happens.
Speaker 2: The PR used to be able to really and even
Speaker 2: agents manage the machine.
Speaker 1: I've literally seen PR.
Speaker 2: People and agents get together to manipulate a situation like
Speaker 2: a Chris humpreason it kame Kardashian like when they were
Speaker 2: breaking up. That was a full hands on deck, proactive
Speaker 2: preemptive strike how to like manipulate the media. And the
Speaker 2: Kardashians owned the media and the media cycle and the covers,
Speaker 2: and that worked. It doesn't work in twenty twenty four
Speaker 2: because the mob runs the media. The TikTok Instagram universe
Speaker 2: runs the main the media. Yes, they use the media
Speaker 2: for like a guideline, like an article comes out in
Speaker 2: people about Blake and Justin and then they go run wild,
Speaker 2: but they could run wild off of just a photo
Speaker 2: or a lawsuit that comes out, because they'll read the
Speaker 2: lawsuit themselves. So anyway, I did a whole thing about that,
Speaker 2: and that was the beginning because Blake was getting crushed
Speaker 2: and Blake was beloved, Like I didn't really know anything
Speaker 2: about her. I asked someone who worked closer to her,
Speaker 2: who said she was very nice that I asked someone
Speaker 2: who's very knowledgeable in the entertainment industry at large, and
Speaker 2: they said that there's like a cool girl's click with her,
Speaker 2: and I think Gigi or some of the models and
Speaker 2: tailor and it's like a very like the Pretty Girls Club,
Speaker 2: and it's what you would imagine in that type.
Speaker 1: Of a club.
Speaker 2: So I heard different things, But I've thought she was
Speaker 2: stop beautiful and she looks amazing at the met Gala,
Speaker 2: and people come into my comments and say she's not
Speaker 2: a lish is a minus list. I don't know, with
Speaker 2: the combination of her and Ryan Reynolds and her owning
Speaker 2: the Met Gala and nailing fashion and all this stuff
Speaker 2: and seeming perfect and everything they said was so charming
Speaker 2: and cute, like I thought they were a listen who
Speaker 2: gives a shit. But it's weird how the tides can turn.
Speaker 2: So she took a massive tumble after that red carpet,
Speaker 2: and it's like to see someone like her who's seemingly
Speaker 2: so perfect, And what's fucked up is that everybody celebrated
Speaker 2: her for all that perfection and all that blondness and
Speaker 2: all that high school you know, most popular girl stick whatever.
Speaker 1: That's what's crazy.
Speaker 2: People slam you down for the same shit that brought
Speaker 2: you up there, and it's scary, so blake lively to me,
Speaker 2: it was like, you know, and everything they said was adorable,
Speaker 2: and if charming is a red flag, I don't know.
Speaker 2: I just know that the two of them were so
Speaker 2: charming as a couple, and everything was diffused with humor,
Speaker 2: and everything was like an inside joke and how much
Speaker 2: they love each other and how they're always playing jokes
Speaker 2: on each other, and everybody was just devouring it. Okay,
Speaker 2: so we can pretend whatever we want to pretend. People
Speaker 2: were obsessed with them myself, like, they just seemed like
Speaker 2: adorable couple one oh one. So something went sideways on
Speaker 2: that movie. It ends with Us, and it seemed like
Speaker 2: she was getting fucking crushed. He seemed like he was
Speaker 2: getting crushed first, because they were separate at the premiere,
Speaker 2: and I was at that premiere and they were separate
Speaker 2: at the premiere and everything was separate at the premiere.
Speaker 2: And I didn't even stay to watch the movie at
Speaker 2: the premiere because the vibes were so cringy and creepy,
Speaker 2: but I couldn't place it. And one of her people
Speaker 2: was extremely cold to me, disproportionately sort of dismissive to me,
Speaker 2: and it was weird. The energy was weird, the vibes
Speaker 2: were off. I remember seeing Anna Wintry there and I
Speaker 2: was like, shit, I'm gonna get canceled for leaving this premiere.
Speaker 2: But we were like cordoned off to some bizarre separate
Speaker 2: movie theater, and the premiere was like divided in all
Speaker 2: these different theaters, which was so strange. And when I
Speaker 2: walked in, I usually you go to a main theater,
Speaker 2: like it's a big theater. You go to the main
Speaker 2: theater to see the premiere. It felt like I was
Speaker 2: like nobody puts baby in the corner. And when we
Speaker 2: walked in, I saw this guy and he goes, oh,
Speaker 2: you know Justin and I was like, oh, I didn't
Speaker 2: even know who was in them. I knew Blake was
Speaker 2: in the movie. I didn't know what the movie was about.
Speaker 2: I didn't know who was in the movie. I was
Speaker 2: excited to go to the premiere because Blake Lively was
Speaker 2: in the movie. I didn't even know they made movies anymore,
Speaker 2: and so I was excited to go to the premiere
Speaker 2: wear my pink dress and Blake Lively. And I walked
Speaker 2: in and someone was like, you know Justin And I
Speaker 2: didn't remember that he was on my podcast, but I
Speaker 2: once I did remember.
Speaker 1: I remembered him being.
Speaker 2: Nice on the podcast, and this guy and I said
Speaker 2: all out to justin. He was wearing purple. I went
Speaker 2: to walk into that theater, someone was like, oh, no,
Speaker 2: your tickets are over there, and then we ended up
Speaker 2: in some tiny theater and no one was in there.
Speaker 2: There were like three people in there. I'm like, so,
Speaker 2: why don't I watch the movie fucking in my living
Speaker 2: room in a couple of months. I don't get it,
Speaker 2: which I actually should, but you can't leave a premiere
Speaker 2: after the carpet without seeing the movie. The thing is
Speaker 2: that after the Red Carpet there was an hour break
Speaker 2: between the carpet and the movie, which I personally have
Speaker 2: never seen. And it's like, seemingly so the cast can
Speaker 2: get down the carpet, but it's not the cast of
Speaker 2: fucking fame the movie. It's not ten thousand people, So
Speaker 2: I don't know why it would take so long for
Speaker 2: an hour. Usually it's like everybody goes sits in their
Speaker 2: seats inside the premiere, and then the people that are
Speaker 2: the celebrities and the cast, they're out there for like
Speaker 2: fifteen twenty minutes, maybe thirty minutes, but it's never like
Speaker 2: an hour. And you're in one of those movie theaters
Speaker 2: that I has, like all the escalators and there's no
Speaker 2: real place to hang out. There's no living room or bar.
Speaker 2: You're in heels and you're in a lobby and you're like,
Speaker 2: what the fuck are we doing? So Danielle and I
Speaker 2: went to go get Margarita's as one does, and walked
Speaker 2: in the rain and my dress had a malfunction. Everything
Speaker 2: has to be a shit show with me, and we
Speaker 2: came back. We made the effort to come back, get
Speaker 2: the popcorn. Go towards into the movie, saw Anna Winter
Speaker 2: wanted to say hello to her, choked because what was
Speaker 2: I supposed to say? Then saw Justin then was put
Speaker 2: over to that like baby in the corner movie theater
Speaker 2: that had no one in it, and I was like,
Speaker 2: what are we doing? It's what the fuck out of here?
Speaker 2: And we got the fuck out of there. And now
Speaker 2: months later there's a massive lawsuit, one massive lawsuit. They
Speaker 2: wished ten lawsuits about this movie. And I hear that,
Speaker 2: like Justin saying that he was allegedly in the basement
Speaker 2: with his friends to watch the premiere, like he was
Speaker 2: put in one place. And then it all came together
Speaker 2: and I was like, that does seem it did seem
Speaker 2: fucking weird. That night everything seems separate and weird. So
Speaker 2: everyone is fixated and fascinated with this lawsuit, which has
Speaker 2: entanglements and tentacles. I don't know what happened. I'm not
Speaker 2: pretending I have no side. I'm just talking about the thing.
Speaker 2: Both parties are suffering immeasurably, so like, I don't think
Speaker 2: that either party thought that they would go this deep
Speaker 2: into the abyss. But I think that she brought the
Speaker 2: New York Times article into it. This whole thing wasn't
Speaker 2: clear from the beginning. I did a video saying I
Speaker 2: don't understand what she's actually suing for Blake Lively's suing,
Speaker 2: and then I'm like, what is she suing for? I'm
Speaker 2: not saying she did anything right or wrong. I didn't
Speaker 2: know one thing. I never pretend to know something. I
Speaker 2: don't know what exactly. It wasn't clear from the jump.
Speaker 2: It wouldn't have really mattered. I guess if it said so,
Speaker 2: because I think that this team just thought that, like
Speaker 2: it was the archaic model of pr where you just
Speaker 2: get to say something, the media goes along with you
Speaker 2: and like that's.
Speaker 1: It, it's over.
Speaker 2: So they said they what they said, it got out
Speaker 2: and then there was a New York Times article and
Speaker 2: it's the seaside, It's the pendulum. The New York Times
Speaker 2: article comes out, everybody's team Blake. Everybody hates Justin. Just
Speaker 2: like the Red Carpet, everybody hated Justin. They were separate,
Speaker 2: then everybody was team Justin.
Speaker 1: You know.
Speaker 2: And it tracks that there have been discussions of smear
Speaker 2: campaigns because it seems like smear campaigns. But I know
Speaker 2: TikTok and pretty well, and TikTok and Instagram can do
Speaker 2: a great job of that on their own. They just
Speaker 2: need to sticks to rub together. So now this whole
Speaker 2: New York Times article came out. I didn't vibe with
Speaker 2: the New York Times article. And so this writer who
Speaker 2: wrote it was a big me too. Writer was sitting
Speaker 2: down in front of the camera talking to us like
Speaker 2: kind of giving us an education on what happened and
Speaker 2: what was in this New York Times article. But it
Speaker 2: did seem kind of by it. It just seemed like a
Speaker 2: story that was told to them, and they were telling
Speaker 2: us a story that was told to them. I don't
Speaker 2: know that they thought through that the pendulum would swing.
Speaker 2: I mean, you do have Blake and Ryan are a
Speaker 2: list people friends of Taylor Swift her and got dragged
Speaker 2: into this. I did a video on that saying, there's
Speaker 2: no fucking way, no matter how bff they are, the
Speaker 2: Taylor Swift's multi billion dollar enterprise team wants her name
Speaker 2: anywhere near this pile of shit. There's no way that
Speaker 2: Blake Lively's team thought they would get in so deep.
Speaker 2: So anyway, you got the New York Times, you got
Speaker 2: the woman explained to us what the article's about.
Speaker 1: And then.
Speaker 2: Literally I message this lawyer that I know from something
Speaker 2: else to say, what do you think about this case?
Speaker 1: I have my own opinions about this case.
Speaker 2: This is what I think, this is how I would
Speaker 2: do it, just as a lawyer friend. He's like, I'm
Speaker 2: representing Justin Baldoni, and so I know many people from
Speaker 2: Blake's team, and I know people from Justin's team. So
Speaker 2: I'm like, WHOA, what the fuck? So the pendulum swings
Speaker 2: and now Justin's team comes out and they have their
Speaker 2: own receipts because she had receipts, and she had texts,
Speaker 2: and they claimed that they were partial texts, and they
Speaker 2: have their own receipts, and they came in like a
Speaker 2: fucking group of people in Penantplona running for the bull then,
Speaker 2: and I think he has a billionaire that invested in
Speaker 2: the movie who also his name, and the product is
Speaker 2: at risk, so he's part of I guess maybe paying
Speaker 2: the legal fees. I don't know, But I don't think
Speaker 2: Blake's team thought that he was going to go this
Speaker 2: hard in the paint. I don't think he wanted to
Speaker 2: go this hard in the paint. I don't think he
Speaker 2: thought it would go this far. But I think this
Speaker 2: is the fuck around and find out trial and now
Speaker 2: each side's PR their names have been dragged into it,
Speaker 2: and PR people are never in the headlines. They don't
Speaker 2: want to be that's their nightmare. If they're good PR people, okay,
Speaker 2: if they're good PR people, if they're ship PR people,
Speaker 2: they want to be famous and then they suck anyway.
Speaker 2: But now these people can barely represent their clients because
Speaker 2: they have to also protect themselves. They don't have the
Speaker 2: money of their clients, and they too are in lawsuits,
Speaker 2: being sued for texts and different things.
Speaker 1: It's a shit show.
Speaker 2: And Candice Owens has their own opinion thinking that Blake
Speaker 2: Ryan was has been controlling in past relationships has come
Speaker 2: into this situation, took over because he sensed something between
Speaker 2: Justin and Blake, and it's all over the place.
Speaker 1: I just know it's a loose horse. I know it is.
Speaker 2: I know as sure as I'm sitting at this desk
Speaker 2: that it was botched. But I don't know that these
Speaker 2: teams that represent these a minus. Let's just say list
Speaker 2: celebrities know how to navigate this type of thing that
Speaker 2: the mob is going to ultimately litigate on. And now
Speaker 2: the problem is it's a court of law, and these
Speaker 2: are lawyers that play in the court of law, but
Speaker 2: they also play in the court of public opinion. They're
Speaker 2: like famous celebrity entertainment representative lawyers, so like it's really
Speaker 2: a line to ride. My divorce lawyers never really gave
Speaker 2: a shit about what was going on in the press.
Speaker 2: I had to navigate them that someone was asking a
Speaker 2: question and that I was personally getting hammered. So sometimes
Speaker 2: they'd have to answer a question, but they were only
Speaker 2: focused on the trial. And ultimately the lawyers here are
Speaker 2: primarily focused on the trial. But you can also sweat
Speaker 2: someone by being focused on the court of public opinion
Speaker 2: because as their famous people If it's Jane and Joe,
Speaker 2: it doesn't matter the court of public opinion, it's not
Speaker 2: really affecting their livelihood. But if you're talking about Justin
Speaker 2: Baldoni and Blake Lively and Ryan Reynolds, it's affecting their livelihood.
Speaker 1: This is their their their.
Speaker 2: Personal brand has actual intellectual property value. Their personal brand,
Speaker 2: they have a cue score, you know. I remember my
Speaker 2: divorce was trashing my personal brand while launching a talk show.
Speaker 2: Because even if it's good bed, you're right, you're wrong.
Speaker 1: That's weeds.
Speaker 2: If you're in the middle of a pile of shit,
Speaker 2: you have shit on you, and no one really wants
Speaker 2: to deal with someone who has a pile of shit
Speaker 2: on you. It's gossip and it might not be true.
Speaker 2: But someone said Blake wanted to go to one of
Speaker 2: the games and Taylor would rather not have that spectacle,
Speaker 2: even if they're best friends.
Speaker 1: That makes sense.
Speaker 2: I wouldn't want my best friend if she was in
Speaker 2: the middle of a spectacle about something that was seemingly
Speaker 2: scandalous and had shit all over it at a game
Speaker 2: like I don't want that to be the headline. I
Speaker 2: would want try my boyfriend and his team to be
Speaker 2: the headline, did they win just to have fun with
Speaker 2: his mother? I don't want the shit in my backyard,
Speaker 2: so I don't. There's no fucking way that they thought
Speaker 2: this would be what it is. It's amazing that Ryan
Speaker 2: is going and you know, performing on stage with Hugh
Speaker 2: Jackman and business as usual, and Megan and Harry have
Speaker 2: been in ship pits and gone out and don appearances.
Speaker 2: This is entangled. This is a web and it's insane.
Speaker 2: So I've been talking about it a lot. It's just
Speaker 2: it's crazy. We've never ever in entertainment history seen a
Speaker 2: movie have this type of legal ramifications entanglements and fuck
Speaker 2: around and find out in it. I just don't think
Speaker 2: either person wants to be this deep. And I don't
Speaker 2: know what they could settle for, but they really should settle,
Speaker 2: and that means both of them. There's no way. This
Speaker 2: is like a terrible, terrible divorce. Only people are going
Speaker 2: to not only lose money and lawyers are going to win.
Speaker 2: People's toxicity is going through the roof no matter what.
Speaker 1: Just it's not good. It's not good.