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Speaker 4: Which are you more interesting? It in the Share memoir
Speaker 4: or the Madonna biopic that are both coming out at
Speaker 4: the same time.
Speaker 3: Ah wow, Let me bring out my microscope and I'll
Speaker 3: take a look. Try to find my give it. Damn God.
Speaker 4: If you like don't read a lot, but you read
Speaker 4: the Share Memoir, please read something else.
Speaker 3: Good Lord. If one Madonna Chaconi of Detroit Michigan were
Speaker 3: to write a serious book about her career and business
Speaker 3: development and entrepreneurialism, that sort of thing. I would think
Speaker 3: that'd be a pretty good read.
Speaker 4: Oh yeah, and her understanding of pr and how to
Speaker 4: get attention and stuff. Yeah, that would be interesting. Have
Speaker 4: Lady Gaga rte the forward or something?
Speaker 3: Fine? Okay, great? Wow? The Share Memoir?
Speaker 4: Yes?
Speaker 1: Uh?
Speaker 3: I mean do you are you immortal? Do you have
Speaker 3: unlimited time? That is the only circumstance I can picture
Speaker 3: where somebody would would read the Share Memoir. If I'm
Speaker 3: want if shares offspring, I wouldn't bother.
Speaker 4: If I walked into someone's apartment, then they have that
Speaker 4: on the coffee table. How quickly can I get out
Speaker 4: of their house's?
Speaker 3: Yeah? There you go? See? Uh wait, you just got here? Yeah?
Speaker 3: Bye ah. So I came across this all right, Oh yeah, pass.
Speaker 3: I just keep seeing Share in the back of my mind.
Speaker 3: So here's an editorial that actually ran in the New
Speaker 3: York Times. I'm sixteen on November sixth, that's the day
Speaker 3: after the election. The girls cried and the boys played Minecraft.
Speaker 3: And this is by a sixteen year old high school junior.
Speaker 4: Who obviously is connected to somebody in the New York Times.
Speaker 4: Your parents are some big deal. I mean, otherwise, how
Speaker 4: would you get a an op ed in the biggest
Speaker 4: new paper in the world.
Speaker 3: You know, it's I think it's labeled as a well,
Speaker 3: it's a guest essay. I don't know. Maybe it's in
Speaker 3: a letter to the editor. But in the morning after
Speaker 3: the election, I walked up the staircase of my school.
Speaker 3: A preteen was crying into the shoulders of her brace's
Speaker 3: clad peer. Her friend was rubbing circles on her back. Uh.
Speaker 3: First of all, point of order, mister editor, why am
Speaker 3: I reading a child's editorial? Did you say so?
Speaker 4: The sixteen year old wrote this? But the sixteen year
Speaker 4: old said a preteen. Yes, So a twelve year old's
Speaker 4: crying over a presidential election.
Speaker 3: You're a weird kid, right, go get a hobby kid. Anyway, Again,
Speaker 3: at the point that she says in the headline, I'm
Speaker 3: sixteen at we're done here, We're done. You're a child. No,
Speaker 3: if you want to tell me how things are going
Speaker 3: at your school or something like that, and she is
Speaker 3: in a way, okay, that's fine, because I don't know.
Speaker 3: But the idea that you're going to lay some insight
Speaker 3: on me about the election and the candidates and all. No,
Speaker 3: we've got to who said this?
Speaker 2: Was it?
Speaker 3: Bill Maher?
Speaker 4: Yeah?
Speaker 3: I think it was Bill Marshall. Jesus it was one
Speaker 3: of the three four. I can't Yeah, no, Oh, who's
Speaker 3: a anyway? Uh? Where was I?
Speaker 4: Oh?
Speaker 3: Said, we've got to stop laying the burden on these
Speaker 3: poor children, the idea that they need to solve this stuff,
Speaker 3: or they need to tell us what happened in the election.
Speaker 3: Why would you lay that on a sixteen year old girl?
Speaker 4: Well, how about the poor twelve year old crying in
Speaker 4: the hall. The only way she's crying in the hall
Speaker 4: is her parents and or her teachers correct sold.
Speaker 3: Her a load of crap. But wait, there's more. I
Speaker 3: continued up the stairs to the lounge where upperclassmen linger
Speaker 3: before classes. There I saw two tables. One was filled
Speaker 3: with my girlfriends, many of them with hollows under their eyes.
Speaker 3: There was a blanket of despair over the young women
Speaker 3: in the room. I looked over to the other table
Speaker 3: of teenage boys and saw minecraft on their computers. Well,
Speaker 3: we were gasping for breath. It seemed they were breathing freely.
Speaker 4: Oh my God, I suppose you expect to overwrought from
Speaker 4: a sixteen year old girl, but uh wow, we were
Speaker 4: gasping for breath. They were breathing freely.
Speaker 3: Oh geez, Katie, any verbal slappings or show I plunge on.
Speaker 4: I have so many questions, but yeah, I go plunge on.
Speaker 3: Get a get a trash can ready, You're gonna be
Speaker 3: all right. We girls woke up to a country that
Speaker 3: would rather elect a man found liable for sexual abuse
Speaker 3: than a woman rights decision. Exactly.
Speaker 2: You know.
Speaker 3: In fact, I was going to vote for Commlin until
Speaker 3: I learned that Trump was held liable. Then I thought, wait,
Speaker 3: that's the man for me again. Thank you child for
Speaker 3: that incisive political analysis. Thank you child. Where the kind
Speaker 3: of man my mother instructs me to cross the street
Speaker 3: to avoid will be addressed as mister president, your mom
Speaker 3: tells you to cross the street to avoid fat eighty
Speaker 3: year olds. Watch for the body where the body I
Speaker 3: haven't fully grown into may no longer be under my control.
Speaker 3: The boys, it seemed to me just woke up on
Speaker 3: a Wednesday.
Speaker 4: What made my skin burn? Most normal kids? That makes
Speaker 4: them normal? You're the crazy one, right, What made my
Speaker 4: skin burn? Most, well, it's probably uv ras you sunscreen.
Speaker 4: Wasn't that over seventy five million people voted for Donald Trump.
Speaker 4: It was that this election didn't seem to measurably change
Speaker 4: anything for the boys around me, whether their parents supported
Speaker 4: mister Trump or not, many of them didn't seem.
Speaker 3: To share our rage, our fear, are despair. We don't
Speaker 3: even share the same future. I'm scared the Trump administration
Speaker 3: will take away or restrict birth control and Plan B
Speaker 3: the way they did abortion.
Speaker 4: Why are high schoolers crying about abortion and Plan B?
Speaker 4: Why is that the focus? Well, yeah, or presidential politics.
Speaker 4: As a child, that's really weird and sweetheart. Trump didn't
Speaker 4: take away abortion.
Speaker 3: He sends a terrible ruling back to the States for
Speaker 3: people to vote on. There are more abortions happening now.
Speaker 3: The one point I want to make is that this
Speaker 3: young girl, who is a very good writer, unusually good
Speaker 3: for a sixteen year old, and is a sixteen year
Speaker 3: old gets the indulgence of youth. She unleashes are strongly
Speaker 3: held opinions, and the grownups around her ought to say, Wow,
Speaker 3: that's great, I'm glad you're really into this sort of
Speaker 3: stuff and all, and perhaps a quick word about and
Speaker 3: the longer you live and the more you see and do,
Speaker 3: the more you'll understand some of the nuances of this stuff.
Speaker 3: I get that I spent tremendous amount of time around teenagers,
Speaker 3: teenage girls in particular, coaching and mentoring and all sorts
Speaker 3: of stuff. But and I don't mean to be little
Speaker 3: this young woman. The point is the people around her
Speaker 3: have nurtured in her two things. Number one, what Bill
Speaker 3: Maher is talking about, laying on her this mistaken belief
Speaker 3: that she needs to figure this all out and tell
Speaker 3: the rest of the world and then solve it. And
Speaker 3: two not giving her any Oh, I'm sorry, and number
Speaker 3: two feeding her full of the most hyperbolic of the
Speaker 3: wildly out of control political rhetoric of the last ten
Speaker 3: years without any perspective. Now, maybe her parents and teachers
Speaker 3: and mentors believe all this stuff because they've whipped themselves
Speaker 3: into the left wing you know, fury, But I don't
Speaker 3: know so anyway, she writes on.
Speaker 4: That's one of your logical fallacies too, that I guess
Speaker 4: have existed through history is the belief that the young
Speaker 4: or innocent or something like that, when they say something,
Speaker 4: it carries more weight, right.
Speaker 3: Because they're pure of heart, and out of the mouths
Speaker 3: of babes comes real wisdom. Yeah, that's once in a while,
Speaker 3: that's true. Mostly they're just kids in aught to just
Speaker 3: go do their homework anyway. So she says that she's
Speaker 3: afraid Trump will take away birth control the way they
Speaker 3: did abortion. Again, that's ridiculous. I've seen the ways in
Speaker 3: which many of the boys in my generation can be
Speaker 3: different from their fathers.
Speaker 2: That.
Speaker 3: Wow, you have no idea how their fathers are now.
Speaker 4: Of course you don't.
Speaker 3: The hashtag me too movement went mainstream when they were
Speaker 3: still wearing Superman pajamas. That's pretty good writing. On Tuesdays
Speaker 3: in health class, they learn about the dangers of inebriated consent.
Speaker 3: They don't pretend to gag when a girl mentions her
Speaker 3: period or a tampon falls out of her backpack. They
Speaker 3: don't find sexist jokes all that funny and don't often
Speaker 3: make them in public. No, they find them really funny,
Speaker 3: but they find you to be a humorless prag and
Speaker 3: so they don't make them in your presence. You just
Speaker 3: wouldn't know it. I've heard they well, that was kind
Speaker 3: of distracting and weird. I'm grateful to my school for
Speaker 3: taking gender equality as seriously as it does trigonometry. But
Speaker 3: most of the guys that I saw that Wednesday appeared nonchalant.
Speaker 3: A smiling student shook his friend's hand and said, sarcastically,
Speaker 3: good election. In the same hallway where I saw a
Speaker 3: female teacher clutching a damp tissue. Why did it seem
Speaker 3: these boys were so unperturbed. I worried that my guy
Speaker 3: friends might only care about women until it conflicts with other,
Speaker 3: more pressing priorities. That morning, I spoke with the male classmate.
Speaker 3: He asked if I was okay, nearly melted with relief.
Speaker 3: See I knew not all guys were ignorant.
Speaker 4: Lady, your sixteen year old.
Speaker 3: Then, before I responded, he continued why, he wondered, are
Speaker 3: so many girls crying? I stared, I swallowed that familiar lump,
Speaker 3: and I had one thought. I prayed that my older
Speaker 3: brother never asks that question. Oh my god, how could
Speaker 3: my classmates not know why girls in his grade were
Speaker 3: biting their nails and doing breathing exercises in the bathroom.
Speaker 3: It seemed like our future was sliding down the side
Speaker 3: of our faces, and he asked me why we were crying. Crying.
Speaker 3: I never felt that disconnected from men. I never felt
Speaker 3: more like a girl.
Speaker 4: God, if my kid were doing breathing exercises in the
Speaker 4: bathroom because they were so emotionally upset from a presidential election,
Speaker 4: I'd pull them out of school and get a team
Speaker 4: of therapists going and we go on a camping trip
Speaker 4: or something to try to turn this around. Something's gone
Speaker 4: horribly wrong. Well here, here's the bottom line. Once again,
Speaker 4: that is on the adults around her. That's on our
Speaker 4: parents and the teachers. You have acbused that child.
Speaker 3: Absolutely, you have psychologically tortured that child. You have terrified
Speaker 3: her into a state of awful emotional upheaval. What is
Speaker 3: the matter with you? Abuse her?
Speaker 4: That's one hundred percent true. That's not even just talk radio,
Speaker 4: you know hyperbole. That's one hundred percent true. If your
Speaker 4: kid it needs breathing actually to deal with the presidential election,
Speaker 4: you have abused them by putting all this fear into them.
Speaker 3: That's just not Yeah. Yeah, the cult of we like
Speaker 3: to be afraid. We're always afraid because it brings us together. Oh, hugmy,
Speaker 3: because we're afraid we're both afraid, let's be together because
Speaker 3: we're afraid that that is an unhealthy attitude? What happened
Speaker 3: to courage? Women are some of the most courageous people
Speaker 3: I know? What happened to courage? Resilience, a sense of humor?
Speaker 3: All of that is dying And to just infuse a
Speaker 3: child with that is abusive. Damn you, you are evil,
Speaker 3: It really is. There's a name for that.
Speaker 4: I heard somebody bring up the other day, like if
Speaker 4: you have bad parents, you have to be parentified or
Speaker 4: something like that. It's a psychological thing that young people do, like, oh,
Speaker 4: if you figure out that your parents are taking care
Speaker 4: of you, you take over that role. It's a survival instinct.
Speaker 4: But it's bad for you.
Speaker 3: Right, your parents are drug addicts and you end up
Speaker 3: taking care of your younger, younger siblings and that sort
Speaker 3: of thing in.
Speaker 4: Yourself, and it makes you feel more responsible throughout your
Speaker 4: life for things. Anyway, it sounds like they've done that
Speaker 4: to this girl, like just put her in a position
Speaker 4: of being an adult that is not required as a
Speaker 4: sixteen year old.
Speaker 3: Right. And there there's a tendency among certain sick people
Speaker 3: that they really want their children, They want to put
Speaker 3: their fears into their children. They want they're crazy, to
Speaker 3: be fully invested in their kid, because then they've got
Speaker 3: somebody else who's crazy like them. I don't know the
Speaker 3: name of it, probably has a name, but anyway, you're
Speaker 3: just this poor kid. This poor kid has been abused.
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Speaker 3: The big change in the election that we'll be talked
Speaker 3: about for years and years is not just the winners
Speaker 3: and losers, but the fact that Black American Hispanic America
Speaker 3: moved significantly rightward. I mean, the Democrats still get the
Speaker 3: majority of the Black vote, for instance, but it's changing,
Speaker 3: and it's changing pretty quickly. And you know, it's easy
Speaker 3: for us and people like us to forget that most
Speaker 3: people don't think about politics that much. I've been yelling
Speaker 3: for Black America to reconsider this unholy alliance with the
Speaker 3: Democratic Party, which is just exploited the black vote, assumed
Speaker 3: the Black vote, and giving you nothing but empty promises
Speaker 3: and government dependents for decades and decades. Now it appears
Speaker 3: that I don't know, perhaps people are starting to connect
Speaker 3: elections with policies with outcomes in a way that you
Speaker 3: know is too slow for me, But I get it
Speaker 3: and the journal with the Wall Street Journal with some
Speaker 3: pretty interesting analysis of the fact that it's now about
Speaker 3: class and not race. If you're working class, you are
Speaker 3: swinging way towards the Republicans and it doesn't matter what,
Speaker 3: Hugh your skin is. Thank god, I'm so happy about that.
Speaker 3: And not just because it's Republican. I mean it could
Speaker 3: be Democrats too. Let's just not have like hugely important
Speaker 3: racial politics.
Speaker 4: In this country, please, for a number of reasons, including
Speaker 4: I think you're much more likely to get policy discussions
Speaker 4: if you're talking about people of different income situations than
Speaker 4: their skin color.
Speaker 3: Well, ry make the claim of racism is so easily right.
Speaker 3: And they quote Aaron Waters, who's the first gent they
Speaker 3: quote in this article, who's a black construction worker union
Speaker 3: member in Chicago who voted for Trump after voting for
Speaker 3: Biden and Obama in past elections. And he says race
Speaker 3: is not an issue for me. It's about what you
Speaker 3: can do for each and every one of us as
Speaker 3: a whole, as a US citizen. Now, the reason that's important,
Speaker 3: getting back to my berating you know, quote unquote black America,
Speaker 3: is that guys like Aaron are saying, no, you can't
Speaker 3: say I'm down with the black folks, so vote for me.
Speaker 3: What are you gonna do? What are your policies? That's phony.
Speaker 3: He's realized it's well, it's phony. It's it's putting you
Speaker 3: in a pen. And I've always hated that. But came
Speaker 3: across a couple of interesting statistics about this, this question.
Speaker 3: And here's an associate professor of political science at the
Speaker 3: University of South Carolina. He says, quote, this is the
Speaker 3: shock of the early twenty first century, this this big move.
Speaker 3: Thirty years ago, Americans with a college degree was twenty
Speaker 3: percent of the population. Twenty percent this thirty years ago now,
Speaker 3: and held the same percentage of household wealth as those
Speaker 3: without a degree, so outsized. But it was like fifty
Speaker 3: to fifty the wealth. So twenty percent had college degree,
Speaker 3: they had half the wealth. Now it's thirty eight percent
Speaker 3: of the population has college degrees. It's almost doubled in
Speaker 3: thirty years. Many of them useless, but anyway, and seventy
Speaker 3: three percent of the household wealth. So the you know,
Speaker 3: other sixty two percent of the population that has twenty
Speaker 3: seven percent of the household wealth is starting to think, Hey,
Speaker 3: this system isn't really set up for me, regardless of color.
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Speaker 3: Some economists have finally woken up to the fact that
Speaker 3: human beings are not like computerized decision makers. There are
Speaker 3: all sorts of things that enter into economics. In particular,
Speaker 3: as Nobel Prize winning economist George Akerloff and his collaborator
Speaker 3: Rachel Cranton said, I wrote years and years ago, identity
Speaker 3: may be the most important economic decision people make, and
Speaker 3: it has to do with how you see yourself, how
Speaker 3: you want to project an identity, what group of people
Speaker 3: do you consider yourself part of? And you make all
Speaker 3: sorts of economic decisions based on not rational analysis, but identity.
Speaker 4: If I had known this was part of economics when
Speaker 4: I was in college, I could have easily made it
Speaker 4: my life. I only took microeconomics, which I hated. I mean,
Speaker 4: it's obviously got its value supply to my own, etc.
Speaker 4: But if I'd have known all this other stuff that
Speaker 4: I find so fascinating about economics was part of it,
Speaker 4: I would have man, I would have eaten that up.
Speaker 3: Yeah, what would you call it? Psycho go economics or
Speaker 3: socioeconomics or something like that. But they gave the example
Speaker 3: of an academic economist, not coincidentally, that's who we're talking about.
Speaker 3: That would be a social category, and that's the way
Speaker 3: they would see themselves or part of that group whatever.
Speaker 3: So they probably own a practical car and wear comfortable shoes,
Speaker 3: and if they showed up in a portion nine to
Speaker 3: eleven or a pair of five hundred dollars loafers, they
Speaker 3: would all not only feel like they were putting on airs,
Speaker 3: but they'd probably be mocked and scorned to buy colleagues.
Speaker 3: In traditional economics models, it's hard to rationalize why anyone
Speaker 3: would care so much about what shoes I walk in
Speaker 3: wearing right, or what car I drive, But that really
Speaker 3: affects decisions they go into. Like individual when you go.
Speaker 4: To buy a pair of shoes or a car, practically anything,
Speaker 4: certainly anything, anybody's going to observe. The options are not
Speaker 4: wide open for most people. They're limited two your identity.
Speaker 4: It has to shit into that world of your identity,
Speaker 4: which is interesting. We don't see ourselves that way. I
Speaker 4: think we most people like to see themselves as no
Speaker 4: I could wear any kind of footwear. It's completely up
Speaker 4: to me. I'm my own person.
Speaker 3: But no, it fits into a.
Speaker 4: View you heavy of yourself, where you want other people
Speaker 4: to have of you, or you think you whatever.
Speaker 3: And then they talk about individual gains from both material
Speaker 3: outcomes and actions that conform to their identities blah blah blah,
Speaker 3: and labor markets. Workers are motivated by wages, of course,
Speaker 3: but also by how well their job aligns with their identities.
Speaker 3: They give the example of a corporate job might offer
Speaker 3: financial stability, but if it conflicts with an individual's identity.
Speaker 3: Is an environmentalist, for instance, that's going to lead to
Speaker 3: satisfaction and underperformance in this vein, trying to train coal
Speaker 3: miners to be nurses may be feudal. And Jack, I
Speaker 3: love the idea you gave when we were talking about this.
Speaker 3: If you remember, I don't you said, trying to train
Speaker 3: farmers because the family farmers disappearing to be coders, have
Speaker 3: them sit in a cubicle ten hours a day to code,
Speaker 3: they would hang themselves.
Speaker 4: Yeah, and you hear politicians throw that around all the time,
Speaker 4: like you can just retrain people that have been a
Speaker 4: certain sort of person to be a completely different sort
Speaker 4: of person. And as the point of what you're saying
Speaker 4: is it's not just about the money.
Speaker 3: So there's other research by a couple of guys you've
Speaker 3: never heard of, to provide a granular look into the
Speaker 3: mechanics of this phenomenon. There's studies based on lab experiments
Speaker 3: that prime subjects to see different parts of their identities
Speaker 3: as especially salient. Demonstrate that people may opt for lower
Speaker 3: paying jobs if it means greater congruence or you know,
Speaker 3: fitting in with their social group, or might choose consumer
Speaker 3: goods that signal affiliation to a particular identity despite higher
Speaker 3: costs and no higher quality. We see that all the
Speaker 3: time in fashion police. So they go into that at
Speaker 3: some length, and it's a very very interesting We'll post
Speaker 3: link at Armstrong and Getty under hot links. But then
Speaker 3: let's see they go more deeply into that. It diverges
Speaker 3: from traditional notions of comparative advantage typically applied to countries
Speaker 3: or firms. I met with several well known psychologists, writs
Speaker 3: this journalist across the country. Many assume that heredity largely
Speaker 3: dictated the identities to which people gravitated. We investigated the
Speaker 3: academic paths chosen by students in racially and socioeconomically diverse schools.
Speaker 3: We found that students often align their academic efforts with
Speaker 3: what they perceived to be their comparative advantages. Interesting, and
Speaker 3: this is something that we and others have observed through
Speaker 3: the years, and people are extremely uncomfortable talking about. But
Speaker 3: we all ought to grow up and just say what's
Speaker 3: true and whether it makes us feel comfortable or not.
Speaker 3: If you want to actually solve problems, you better reckon
Speaker 3: with reality. Anyway. A student who sees his strengthen social
Speaker 3: leadership rather than academic achievement might choose to invest more
Speaker 3: in social endeavors. This decision is based both on where
Speaker 3: he or she excels and where he perceives the greatest
Speaker 3: return for his efforts in both self fulfillment and importantly
Speaker 3: social recognition. Booty or booty Yeah? In other research, who
Speaker 3: is I? I haven't mentioned the name of the person
Speaker 3: writing this, Roland Fryar, who's an economist and a researcher anyway,
Speaker 3: or were we? In other research, I found that black
Speaker 3: and Hispanic students with high grade point averages tended to
Speaker 3: be less popular, which was not true for white students.
Speaker 3: This was in line with previous works suggesting that high
Speaker 3: achieving black students were sometimes mocked for quote acting white.
Speaker 3: By incorporating this kind of peer pressure, the framework we've
Speaker 3: been talking about also illuminates how gender norms can influence
Speaker 3: field of study choices. Women might avoid STEM fields not
Speaker 3: because a lack of ability or interest, but due to
Speaker 3: societal norms dictating what is considered appropriate for their sex.
Speaker 3: They found this single business school.
Speaker 4: Yes, that is really interesting. That may have changed since
Speaker 4: I was in school, or maybe it depends on the
Speaker 4: neighborhood you're living, like I live in a college town,
Speaker 4: So it would make sense that popularity and high school
Speaker 4: achievement might go together, But it didn't my school. The
Speaker 4: most popular people were absolutely not the people with the
Speaker 4: highest grade point averages, and would have been kind of
Speaker 4: unimaginable that it would.
Speaker 3: Be interesting, interesting, And here as white as they come.
Speaker 4: Yeah, and we're all white.
Speaker 3: One moment, I'm sorry. One more example, and then I
Speaker 3: want to make a point kind of disputing a little
Speaker 3: of this, but let's see this guy and his co
Speaker 3: authors have found that single female business school students quote
Speaker 3: reported lower desired salaries and willingness to travel and work
Speaker 3: long hours on a real stakes placement questionnaire when they
Speaker 3: expected their classmates to see their preference, a phenomenon known
Speaker 3: as acting wife as opposed to acting white. That is interesting, so,
Speaker 3: and I misunderstood when I read it the first time.
Speaker 3: So if you ask single female business school students, what's
Speaker 3: your desired salary? What's your willingness to travel and work
Speaker 3: long hours? They will answer differently if they expect their
Speaker 3: peers to see their answers.
Speaker 4: Wow, I'm not sure I understand that.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I'm one thing, and it's funny. Tim Sandifer and I.
Speaker 3: One of the few, like significant different disagreements we've ever
Speaker 3: had is when we are doing a book club thing.
Speaker 3: Ether Some of you may remember when we were talking
Speaker 3: about Sebastian Junger's book Tribe, and I really liked it
Speaker 3: and thought it was really interesting, thought provoking, and Tim
Speaker 3: didn't like it at all. He thought it was collectivist claptrap.
Speaker 3: I am paraphrasing bluntly and skilllessly. I'm sure Tim expressed
Speaker 3: his opinion much more eloquently. But the thing, and I
Speaker 3: think I may have said it to Tim, is that
Speaker 3: what Tim has to remember and what we have to remember,
Speaker 3: is that Tim is like at the outer one percent
Speaker 3: of iconoclastic individualists the way he sees the world, and
Speaker 3: you and I are way out on that scale too,
Speaker 3: I think. And there are some very lovely people, very
Speaker 3: nice people who are like way past the midway point,
Speaker 3: and they're like good twenty five percent toward They find
Speaker 3: it really rewarding to be part of what other people
Speaker 3: are doing and go along with the crowd and to conform.
Speaker 3: They get a feeling of belonging from that that I
Speaker 3: think most real individualists don't experience in the same way, right,
Speaker 3: And so you've got to remember, when you're thinking about
Speaker 3: society on a whole, not everybody sees the world like
Speaker 3: I do.
Speaker 4: Humhmm, yeah, especially if we're talking economics like you said earlier. Yeah,
Speaker 4: you just do need to observe or take in what is,
Speaker 4: whether it makes sense to you or not. And one
Speaker 4: of the great revolutions of revelations, not revolutions, well there's
Speaker 4: a revolution, it was a revelation revolution is that the
Speaker 4: Founding Fathers designed the Constitution to be ironclad against any
Speaker 4: takeover by monarchs or dictators or even populists, not because
Speaker 4: most humans crave liberty, but because most humans don't. That
Speaker 4: was the danger and when I realized that, I thought, oh, oh, yes,
Speaker 4: it works both ways. Though that whole want to be
Speaker 4: part of the crowd. It depends on your crowd. And
Speaker 4: that gets to the we were talking about the whole
Speaker 4: keeping it real thing earlier. If your crowd is it's
Speaker 4: not cool to really achieve, it's not a good way
Speaker 4: to keep it real. If if your crowd is, you know,
Speaker 4: achieving is the thing to be cool, then.
Speaker 3: Keep it the reals.
Speaker 4: Fine.
Speaker 3: Yeah, there's absolutely something to be said for looking at
Speaker 3: the crowd around you and assessing whether they are helping
Speaker 3: your life or hurting it.
Speaker 4: Yeah, the desire for acceptance. So, I mean, it's right
Speaker 4: there in Maslow's hierarchy of needs. It's a big one
Speaker 4: belonging maslowot to shut up.
Speaker 3: I don't care what he says.
Speaker 4: Shut up, Maslow, get down off your pyramid.
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Speaker 3: Let's be clear, what's happening in this country. It's Nazism.
Speaker 3: Republicans are Nazis.
Speaker 2: You cannot separate yourselves from the bad white people.
Speaker 3: Growing up in the nineties, I never thought much about race.
Speaker 3: Sure you noticed, but never really seemed to matter that much,
Speaker 3: at least not to me.
Speaker 4: Being a white, straight cisgender.
Speaker 3: Man, it's the top of the pile. I'm on the
Speaker 3: top of the bile. That's me, am I. I would
Speaker 3: really appreciate it if you left. I'm trying to learn longestree.
Speaker 3: Can you please leave?
Speaker 4: That's am I racist? Which I'm going to on Saturday,
Speaker 4: and I look forward to it.
Speaker 3: Yeah, before we talk about that, just real quickly, because
Speaker 3: I'll forget again. I watched the brand new Netflix Apollo
Speaker 3: thirteen documentary last night. It was outstanding, absolutely great, compelling,
Speaker 3: a lot of NASA footage from the archives that hadn't
Speaker 3: been seen. I read that it was even.
Speaker 4: More dramatic than the movie, which, of course, you know,
Speaker 4: is scripted in such a way to make it more dramatic,
Speaker 4: to make it dramatic, which sounds amazing.
Speaker 3: I was on the edge of my seat. Judy had
Speaker 3: a commitment. She got home like with ten minutes left,
Speaker 3: and I said, all right, I gotta finish this. I
Speaker 3: gotta finish this. Got it and during without giving too
Speaker 3: much away, of course, it's a historical event. People know
Speaker 3: what happened. But just the structure of the thing. But
Speaker 3: during the moments at the very end when it wasn't
Speaker 3: clear the astronauts were alive, I said to Judy sitting
Speaker 3: next to me on the couch, I said, I know
Speaker 3: how this ends, and this is killing me. It's just
Speaker 3: unbelievably beautifully done. My only it's not a criticism. It's
Speaker 3: the only way it pales in comparison to the brilliant
Speaker 3: movie with Tom Hanks, The Delicious Kevin Bacon and Gary
Speaker 3: Sineiz is that the documentary under dramatized the incredible creativity
Speaker 3: it took to redesign systems to do something completely different
Speaker 3: that the movie did brilliantly. As the folks back on
Speaker 3: Earth were trying to figure out, how do we have
Speaker 3: them build a filter to get all the carbon dioxide
Speaker 3: out of the capsule, and they literally took a tube
Speaker 3: from this, a box from that, some cloth from that,
Speaker 3: and said all right, plug this in. And they conducted
Speaker 3: these experiments, created this technology out of nothing in the
Speaker 3: space of like thirty six hours, working frantically around the clock.
Speaker 3: So I would suggest, you know, watch the movie and
Speaker 3: the document and then a nonspiring story.
Speaker 4: And then Tom Hanks dies of AIDS or is that
Speaker 4: a different movie?
Speaker 3: Different movie, another fine film, though he and Jenny get together.
Speaker 3: I will also make this point if you're done with
Speaker 3: your inanities, and this is kind of a lead in.
Speaker 3: It was interesting that Mission control, the virtually everyone involved
Speaker 3: was a white man.
Speaker 4: Which is why against the I won't recognize the moon
Speaker 4: landing and we've.
Speaker 3: And we as a society of you know, I think
Speaker 3: you come a long way in involving the best and brightest,
Speaker 3: no matter what they look like. On the other hand,
Speaker 3: it was also undeniable that all of those white fellas
Speaker 3: were brilliant, hardworking, creative, responsible, compassionate, and virtually everything you
Speaker 3: could want from a human being. So hey, here's an idea.
Speaker 3: Let's not demonize people because of the color of their skin.
Speaker 3: We used to agree on that, which brings us to
Speaker 3: Matt Walsh's hilarious and uncomfortable new m I Racist, which
Speaker 3: is very enjoyable. It's I think the number four movie
Speaker 3: around the country, or sometimes is it really a top
Speaker 3: five top five box office d no kidding yet got
Speaker 3: no reviews zero And that was actually the topic of
Speaker 3: Matt's recent Twitter thread. Many of you have asked, how
Speaker 3: it's possible that our new film, Am I Racist hasn't
Speaker 3: been reviewed by a single mainstream critic, even with a
Speaker 3: ninety nine percent audience score on Rotten Tomatoes.
Speaker 4: Do you do something similar the other direction like Bowling
Speaker 4: from Columbine that's from the Left, and the Michael Moore
Speaker 4: any of the Michael movies. Not only does it get
Speaker 4: endless reviews, it wins oscars.
Speaker 3: Yeah, yep, top five box office debut. Beginning in August,
Speaker 3: we reached out to dozens of mainstream out let's offering
Speaker 3: an early screener of the film. These outlets included Time, AP, Indie, Wier, Variety, THHR,
Speaker 3: Times New Yorker, and A bunch more all the usual suspect.
Speaker 3: You know what, I'm gonna name some of the usual suspects.
Speaker 3: Oh that's that's the list. Okay, blah blah blah. We
Speaker 3: did not a single one responded and said they would
Speaker 3: review the movie. We did, however, that yeah, follow it
Speaker 3: up to virtual silence. So they bugged him again and said, hey,
Speaker 3: did you get our package and everything? And virtual silence.
Speaker 3: We did, however, receive a flurry of unprofessional emails from
Speaker 3: independent critics who were enraged we'd even ask them to
Speaker 3: review the film. One of them the wrote that he
Speaker 3: wouldn't waste any professional time on a movie opening in
Speaker 3: over fifteen hundred theaters because I was involved. R it's
Speaker 3: Matt Walsh. Let's see, here's the note. Wahaha, absolutely not
Speaker 3: hardest decline. I will not waste a second of my
Speaker 3: life on Matt Walsh. Let's see. Another critic said you'd
Speaker 3: have to strap me to a chair like Malcolm McDowell.
Speaker 3: Let's say clockwork orange reference to get me to watch
Speaker 3: this thing. Another wrote, you take me off this list
Speaker 3: after it was clear that am I Racist was a hit.
Speaker 3: Variety attempted to cover for this oversight with a claim
Speaker 3: that Daily Wire did not screen the movie for critics.
Speaker 3: We've asked them to correct this, but they have not.
Speaker 3: They still haven't posted a review, but I hope they will,
Speaker 3: a few other mainstream outlets have since requested screeners, but
Speaker 3: have yet to publish a review. One major mainstream outlet
Speaker 3: even acknowledged we had attempted to get them an advanced screener,
Speaker 3: but said the film had slipped through the cracks. This
Speaker 3: isn't a mistake. You'd be hard pressed to find another
Speaker 3: film that opened at fifteen more than fifteen hundred theaters
Speaker 3: that was completely snubbed by mainstream critics. If Am I
Speaker 3: Racist were terrible, these outlets could have reviewed it and
Speaker 3: trashed it. But the reality is they're afraid of it.
Speaker 3: Am I Racist been so successful because we specifically because
Speaker 3: we didn't churn out another safe, predictable Hollywood style film.
Speaker 3: Blah blah, blah blah, one last thing. Rolling Stone was
Speaker 3: one of the first outlets to request the screener for
Speaker 3: the review after the movie was announced back in July.
Speaker 3: They've yet to post a review, which is a bummer
Speaker 3: because I was looking forward to theirs. Most of all,
Speaker 3: I've said many times, there's a huge growing awareness of
Speaker 3: how the woke thing and critical race theory and radical
Speaker 3: gender theory and queer theory, the transgender thing, it's all
Speaker 3: neo Marxism with different guys as different faces, but it's
Speaker 3: all intent on tearing down Western civilization and putting those
Speaker 3: people in charge. We are at the end of the beginning,
Speaker 3: not the beginning of the end. Here is a really
Speaker 3: well done, controversial, but extremely relevant movie that they're so
Speaker 3: afraid of they won't even review it. To trash it.
Speaker 3: They pretend it doesn't exist. We've barely begun the fight.
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