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Speaker 4: Which are you more interesting? It in the Share memoir

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Speaker 4: or the Madonna biopic that are both coming out at

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Speaker 4: the same time.

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Speaker 3: Ah wow, Let me bring out my microscope and I'll

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Speaker 3: take a look. Try to find my give it. Damn God.

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Speaker 4: If you like don't read a lot, but you read

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Speaker 4: the Share Memoir, please read something else.

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Speaker 3: Good Lord. If one Madonna Chaconi of Detroit Michigan were

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Speaker 3: to write a serious book about her career and business

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Speaker 3: development and entrepreneurialism, that sort of thing. I would think

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Speaker 3: that'd be a pretty good read.

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Speaker 4: Oh yeah, and her understanding of pr and how to

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Speaker 4: get attention and stuff. Yeah, that would be interesting. Have

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Speaker 4: Lady Gaga rte the forward or something?

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Speaker 3: Fine? Okay, great? Wow? The Share Memoir?

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Speaker 4: Yes?

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Speaker 1: Uh?

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Speaker 3: I mean do you are you immortal? Do you have

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Speaker 3: unlimited time? That is the only circumstance I can picture

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Speaker 3: where somebody would would read the Share Memoir. If I'm

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Speaker 3: want if shares offspring, I wouldn't bother.

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Speaker 4: If I walked into someone's apartment, then they have that

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Speaker 4: on the coffee table. How quickly can I get out

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Speaker 4: of their house's?

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Speaker 3: Yeah? There you go? See? Uh wait, you just got here? Yeah?

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Speaker 3: Bye ah. So I came across this all right, Oh yeah, pass.

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Speaker 3: I just keep seeing Share in the back of my mind.

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Speaker 3: So here's an editorial that actually ran in the New

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Speaker 3: York Times. I'm sixteen on November sixth, that's the day

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Speaker 3: after the election. The girls cried and the boys played Minecraft.

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Speaker 3: And this is by a sixteen year old high school junior.

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Speaker 4: Who obviously is connected to somebody in the New York Times.

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Speaker 4: Your parents are some big deal. I mean, otherwise, how

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Speaker 4: would you get a an op ed in the biggest

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Speaker 3: You know, it's I think it's labeled as a well,

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Speaker 3: it's a guest essay. I don't know. Maybe it's in

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Speaker 3: a letter to the editor. But in the morning after

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Speaker 3: the election, I walked up the staircase of my school.

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Speaker 3: A preteen was crying into the shoulders of her brace's

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Speaker 3: clad peer. Her friend was rubbing circles on her back. Uh.

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Speaker 3: First of all, point of order, mister editor, why am

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Speaker 3: I reading a child's editorial? Did you say so?

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Speaker 4: The sixteen year old wrote this? But the sixteen year

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Speaker 4: old said a preteen. Yes, So a twelve year old's

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Speaker 4: crying over a presidential election.

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Speaker 3: You're a weird kid, right, go get a hobby kid. Anyway, Again,

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Speaker 3: at the point that she says in the headline, I'm

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Speaker 3: sixteen at we're done here, We're done. You're a child. No,

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Speaker 3: if you want to tell me how things are going

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Speaker 3: in a way, okay, that's fine, because I don't know.

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Speaker 3: But the idea that you're going to lay some insight

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Speaker 3: we've got to who said this?

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Speaker 2: Was it?

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Speaker 3: Bill Maher?

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Speaker 4: Yeah?

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Speaker 3: I think it was Bill Marshall. Jesus it was one

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Speaker 3: a anyway? Uh? Where was I?

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Speaker 4: Oh?

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Speaker 3: Said, we've got to stop laying the burden on these

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Speaker 3: poor children, the idea that they need to solve this stuff,

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Speaker 3: Why would you lay that on a sixteen year old girl?

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Speaker 4: Well, how about the poor twelve year old crying in

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Speaker 4: the hall. The only way she's crying in the hall

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Speaker 3: Her a load of crap. But wait, there's more. I

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Speaker 3: continued up the stairs to the lounge where upperclassmen linger

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Speaker 3: There was a blanket of despair over the young women

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Speaker 3: we were gasping for breath. It seemed they were breathing freely.

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Speaker 4: Oh my God, I suppose you expect to overwrought from

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Speaker 3: Oh geez, Katie, any verbal slappings or show I plunge on.

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Speaker 4: I have so many questions, but yeah, I go plunge on.

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Speaker 3: Get a get a trash can ready, You're gonna be

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Speaker 3: all right. We girls woke up to a country that

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Speaker 3: would rather elect a man found liable for sexual abuse

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Speaker 3: than a woman rights decision. Exactly.

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Speaker 2: You know.

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Speaker 3: In fact, I was going to vote for Commlin until

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Speaker 3: I learned that Trump was held liable. Then I thought, wait,

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Speaker 3: that's the man for me again. Thank you child for

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Speaker 3: that incisive political analysis. Thank you child. Where the kind

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Speaker 3: of man my mother instructs me to cross the street

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Speaker 3: to avoid will be addressed as mister president, your mom

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Speaker 3: tells you to cross the street to avoid fat eighty

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Speaker 3: year olds. Watch for the body where the body I

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Speaker 3: haven't fully grown into may no longer be under my control.

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Speaker 3: The boys, it seemed to me just woke up on

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Speaker 4: What made my skin burn? Most normal kids? That makes

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Speaker 4: them normal? You're the crazy one, right, What made my

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Speaker 4: skin burn? Most, well, it's probably uv ras you sunscreen.

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Speaker 4: Wasn't that over seventy five million people voted for Donald Trump.

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Speaker 4: It was that this election didn't seem to measurably change

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Speaker 4: anything for the boys around me, whether their parents supported

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Speaker 4: mister Trump or not, many of them didn't seem.

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Speaker 3: To share our rage, our fear, are despair. We don't

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Speaker 3: even share the same future. I'm scared the Trump administration

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Speaker 3: will take away or restrict birth control and Plan B

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Speaker 3: the way they did abortion.

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Speaker 4: Why are high schoolers crying about abortion and Plan B?

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Speaker 4: Why is that the focus? Well, yeah, or presidential politics.

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Speaker 4: As a child, that's really weird and sweetheart. Trump didn't

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Speaker 4: take away abortion.

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Speaker 3: He sends a terrible ruling back to the States for

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Speaker 3: people to vote on. There are more abortions happening now.

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Speaker 3: The one point I want to make is that this

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Speaker 3: for a sixteen year old, and is a sixteen year

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Speaker 3: old gets the indulgence of youth. She unleashes are strongly

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Speaker 3: held opinions, and the grownups around her ought to say, Wow,

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Speaker 3: that's great, I'm glad you're really into this sort of

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Speaker 3: stuff and all, and perhaps a quick word about and

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Speaker 3: the longer you live and the more you see and do,

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Speaker 3: the more you'll understand some of the nuances of this stuff.

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Speaker 3: I get that I spent tremendous amount of time around teenagers,

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Speaker 3: teenage girls in particular, coaching and mentoring and all sorts

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Speaker 3: of stuff. But and I don't mean to be little

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Speaker 3: this young woman. The point is the people around her

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Speaker 3: have nurtured in her two things. Number one, what Bill

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Speaker 3: Maher is talking about, laying on her this mistaken belief

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Speaker 3: years without any perspective. Now, maybe her parents and teachers

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Speaker 3: and mentors believe all this stuff because they've whipped themselves

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Speaker 4: That's one of your logical fallacies too, that I guess

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Speaker 4: have existed through history is the belief that the young

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Speaker 4: it carries more weight, right.

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Speaker 3: Because they're pure of heart, and out of the mouths

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Speaker 3: of babes comes real wisdom. Yeah, that's once in a while,

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Speaker 3: that's true. Mostly they're just kids in aught to just

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Speaker 3: go do their homework anyway. So she says that she's

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Speaker 3: afraid Trump will take away birth control the way they

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Speaker 3: which many of the boys in my generation can be

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Speaker 3: different from their fathers.

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Speaker 2: That.

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Speaker 3: Wow, you have no idea how their fathers are now.

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Speaker 4: Of course you don't.

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Speaker 3: The hashtag me too movement went mainstream when they were

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Speaker 3: still wearing Superman pajamas. That's pretty good writing. On Tuesdays

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Speaker 3: in health class, they learn about the dangers of inebriated consent.

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Speaker 3: don't find sexist jokes all that funny and don't often

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Speaker 3: but they find you to be a humorless prag and

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Speaker 3: of distracting and weird. I'm grateful to my school for

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Speaker 3: most of the guys that I saw that Wednesday appeared nonchalant.

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Speaker 3: A smiling student shook his friend's hand and said, sarcastically,

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Speaker 3: friends might only care about women until it conflicts with other,

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Speaker 3: more pressing priorities. That morning, I spoke with the male classmate.

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Speaker 3: He asked if I was okay, nearly melted with relief.

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Speaker 3: See I knew not all guys were ignorant.

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Speaker 4: Lady, your sixteen year old.

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Speaker 3: Then, before I responded, he continued why, he wondered, are

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Speaker 3: so many girls crying? I stared, I swallowed that familiar lump,

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Speaker 3: I never felt that disconnected from men. I never felt

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Speaker 4: God, if my kid were doing breathing exercises in the

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Speaker 4: bathroom because they were so emotionally upset from a presidential election,

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Speaker 4: I'd pull them out of school and get a team

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Speaker 4: of therapists going and we go on a camping trip

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Speaker 4: or something to try to turn this around. Something's gone

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Speaker 4: horribly wrong. Well here, here's the bottom line. Once again,

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Speaker 4: that is on the adults around her. That's on our

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Speaker 4: parents and the teachers. You have acbused that child.

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Speaker 3: Absolutely, you have psychologically tortured that child. You have terrified

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Speaker 3: her into a state of awful emotional upheaval. What is

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Speaker 4: That's one hundred percent true. That's not even just talk radio,

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Speaker 4: you know hyperbole. That's one hundred percent true. If your

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Speaker 4: kid it needs breathing actually to deal with the presidential election,

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Speaker 4: you have abused them by putting all this fear into them.

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Speaker 3: That's just not Yeah. Yeah, the cult of we like

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Speaker 3: Some economists have finally woken up to the fact that

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Speaker 4: Wow, I'm not sure I understand that.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, I'm one thing, and it's funny. Tim Sandifer and I.

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Speaker 3: One of the few, like significant different disagreements we've ever

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Speaker 3: had is when we are doing a book club thing.

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Speaker 3: Ether Some of you may remember when we were talking

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Speaker 3: about Sebastian Junger's book Tribe, and I really liked it

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Speaker 3: and thought it was really interesting, thought provoking, and Tim

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Speaker 3: didn't like it at all. He thought it was collectivist claptrap.

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Speaker 3: I am paraphrasing bluntly and skilllessly. I'm sure Tim expressed

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Speaker 3: his opinion much more eloquently. But the thing, and I

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Speaker 3: think I may have said it to Tim, is that

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Speaker 3: what Tim has to remember and what we have to remember,

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Speaker 3: is that Tim is like at the outer one percent

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Speaker 3: of iconoclastic individualists the way he sees the world, and

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Speaker 3: you and I are way out on that scale too,

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Speaker 3: I think. And there are some very lovely people, very

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Speaker 3: nice people who are like way past the midway point,

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Speaker 3: and they're like good twenty five percent toward They find

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Speaker 3: it really rewarding to be part of what other people

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Speaker 3: are doing and go along with the crowd and to conform.

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Speaker 3: They get a feeling of belonging from that that I

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Speaker 3: think most real individualists don't experience in the same way, right,

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Speaker 3: And so you've got to remember, when you're thinking about

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Speaker 3: society on a whole, not everybody sees the world like

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Speaker 3: I do.

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Speaker 4: Humhmm, yeah, especially if we're talking economics like you said earlier. Yeah,

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Speaker 4: you just do need to observe or take in what is,

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Speaker 4: whether it makes sense to you or not. And one

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Speaker 4: of the great revolutions of revelations, not revolutions, well there's

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Speaker 4: a revolution, it was a revelation revolution is that the

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Speaker 4: Founding Fathers designed the Constitution to be ironclad against any

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Speaker 4: takeover by monarchs or dictators or even populists, not because

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Speaker 4: most humans crave liberty, but because most humans don't. That

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Speaker 4: was the danger and when I realized that, I thought, oh, oh, yes,

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Speaker 4: it works both ways. Though that whole want to be

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Speaker 4: part of the crowd. It depends on your crowd. And

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Speaker 4: that gets to the we were talking about the whole

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Speaker 4: keeping it real thing earlier. If your crowd is it's

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Speaker 4: not cool to really achieve, it's not a good way

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Speaker 4: to keep it real. If if your crowd is, you know,

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Speaker 4: achieving is the thing to be cool, then.

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Speaker 3: Keep it the reals.

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Speaker 4: Fine.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, there's absolutely something to be said for looking at

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Speaker 3: the crowd around you and assessing whether they are helping

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Speaker 3: your life or hurting it.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, the desire for acceptance. So, I mean, it's right

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Speaker 4: there in Maslow's hierarchy of needs. It's a big one

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Speaker 4: belonging maslowot to shut up.

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Speaker 3: I don't care what he says.

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Speaker 4: Shut up, Maslow, get down off your pyramid.

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Speaker 1: The Armstrong and Geeddy Show. Yeah more John your Joe

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Speaker 1: podcasts and our hot links The arm Strong and Getty Show.

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Speaker 3: Let's be clear, what's happening in this country. It's Nazism.

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Speaker 3: Republicans are Nazis.

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Speaker 2: You cannot separate yourselves from the bad white people.

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Speaker 3: Growing up in the nineties, I never thought much about race.

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Speaker 3: Sure you noticed, but never really seemed to matter that much,

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Speaker 3: at least not to me.

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Speaker 4: Being a white, straight cisgender.

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Speaker 3: Man, it's the top of the pile. I'm on the

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Speaker 3: top of the bile. That's me, am I. I would

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Speaker 3: really appreciate it if you left. I'm trying to learn longestree.

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Speaker 3: Can you please leave?

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Speaker 4: That's am I racist? Which I'm going to on Saturday,

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Speaker 4: and I look forward to it.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, before we talk about that, just real quickly, because

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Speaker 3: I'll forget again. I watched the brand new Netflix Apollo

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Speaker 3: thirteen documentary last night. It was outstanding, absolutely great, compelling,

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Speaker 3: a lot of NASA footage from the archives that hadn't

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Speaker 3: been seen. I read that it was even.

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Speaker 4: More dramatic than the movie, which, of course, you know,

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Speaker 4: is scripted in such a way to make it more dramatic,

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Speaker 4: to make it dramatic, which sounds amazing.

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Speaker 3: I was on the edge of my seat. Judy had

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Speaker 3: a commitment. She got home like with ten minutes left,

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Speaker 3: and I said, all right, I gotta finish this. I

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Speaker 3: gotta finish this. Got it and during without giving too

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Speaker 3: much away, of course, it's a historical event. People know

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Speaker 3: what happened. But just the structure of the thing. But

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Speaker 3: during the moments at the very end when it wasn't

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Speaker 3: clear the astronauts were alive, I said to Judy sitting

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Speaker 3: next to me on the couch, I said, I know

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Speaker 3: how this ends, and this is killing me. It's just

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Speaker 3: unbelievably beautifully done. My only it's not a criticism. It's

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Speaker 3: the only way it pales in comparison to the brilliant

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Speaker 3: movie with Tom Hanks, The Delicious Kevin Bacon and Gary

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Speaker 3: Sineiz is that the documentary under dramatized the incredible creativity

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Speaker 3: it took to redesign systems to do something completely different

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Speaker 3: that the movie did brilliantly. As the folks back on

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Speaker 3: Earth were trying to figure out, how do we have

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Speaker 3: them build a filter to get all the carbon dioxide

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Speaker 3: out of the capsule, and they literally took a tube

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Speaker 3: from this, a box from that, some cloth from that,

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Speaker 3: and said all right, plug this in. And they conducted

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Speaker 3: these experiments, created this technology out of nothing in the

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Speaker 3: space of like thirty six hours, working frantically around the clock.

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Speaker 3: So I would suggest, you know, watch the movie and

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Speaker 3: the document and then a nonspiring story.

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Speaker 4: And then Tom Hanks dies of AIDS or is that

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Speaker 4: a different movie?

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Speaker 3: Different movie, another fine film, though he and Jenny get together.

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Speaker 3: I will also make this point if you're done with

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Speaker 3: your inanities, and this is kind of a lead in.

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Speaker 3: It was interesting that Mission control, the virtually everyone involved

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Speaker 3: was a white man.

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Speaker 4: Which is why against the I won't recognize the moon

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Speaker 4: landing and we've.

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Speaker 3: And we as a society of you know, I think

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Speaker 3: you come a long way in involving the best and brightest,

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Speaker 3: no matter what they look like. On the other hand,

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Speaker 3: it was also undeniable that all of those white fellas

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Speaker 3: were brilliant, hardworking, creative, responsible, compassionate, and virtually everything you

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Speaker 3: could want from a human being. So hey, here's an idea.

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Speaker 3: Let's not demonize people because of the color of their skin.

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Speaker 3: We used to agree on that, which brings us to

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Speaker 3: Matt Walsh's hilarious and uncomfortable new m I Racist, which

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Speaker 3: is very enjoyable. It's I think the number four movie

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Speaker 3: around the country, or sometimes is it really a top

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Speaker 3: five top five box office d no kidding yet got

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Speaker 3: no reviews zero And that was actually the topic of

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Speaker 3: Matt's recent Twitter thread. Many of you have asked, how

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Speaker 3: it's possible that our new film, Am I Racist hasn't

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Speaker 3: been reviewed by a single mainstream critic, even with a

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Speaker 3: ninety nine percent audience score on Rotten Tomatoes.

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Speaker 4: Do you do something similar the other direction like Bowling

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Speaker 4: from Columbine that's from the Left, and the Michael Moore

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Speaker 4: any of the Michael movies. Not only does it get

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Speaker 4: endless reviews, it wins oscars.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, yep, top five box office debut. Beginning in August,

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Speaker 3: we reached out to dozens of mainstream out let's offering

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Speaker 3: an early screener of the film. These outlets included Time, AP, Indie, Wier, Variety, THHR,

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Speaker 3: Times New Yorker, and A bunch more all the usual suspect.

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Speaker 3: You know what, I'm gonna name some of the usual suspects.

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Speaker 3: Oh that's that's the list. Okay, blah blah blah. We

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Speaker 3: did not a single one responded and said they would

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Speaker 3: review the movie. We did, however, that yeah, follow it

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Speaker 3: up to virtual silence. So they bugged him again and said, hey,

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Speaker 3: did you get our package and everything? And virtual silence.

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Speaker 3: We did, however, receive a flurry of unprofessional emails from

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Speaker 3: independent critics who were enraged we'd even ask them to

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Speaker 3: review the film. One of them the wrote that he

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Speaker 3: wouldn't waste any professional time on a movie opening in

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Speaker 3: over fifteen hundred theaters because I was involved. R it's

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Speaker 3: Matt Walsh. Let's see, here's the note. Wahaha, absolutely not

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Speaker 3: hardest decline. I will not waste a second of my

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Speaker 3: life on Matt Walsh. Let's see. Another critic said you'd

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Speaker 3: have to strap me to a chair like Malcolm McDowell.

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Speaker 3: Let's say clockwork orange reference to get me to watch

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Speaker 3: this thing. Another wrote, you take me off this list

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Speaker 3: after it was clear that am I Racist was a hit.

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Speaker 3: Variety attempted to cover for this oversight with a claim

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Speaker 3: that Daily Wire did not screen the movie for critics.

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Speaker 3: We've asked them to correct this, but they have not.

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Speaker 3: They still haven't posted a review, but I hope they will,

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Speaker 3: a few other mainstream outlets have since requested screeners, but

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Speaker 3: have yet to publish a review. One major mainstream outlet

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Speaker 3: even acknowledged we had attempted to get them an advanced screener,

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Speaker 3: but said the film had slipped through the cracks. This

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Speaker 3: isn't a mistake. You'd be hard pressed to find another

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Speaker 3: film that opened at fifteen more than fifteen hundred theaters

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Speaker 3: that was completely snubbed by mainstream critics. If Am I

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Speaker 3: Racist were terrible, these outlets could have reviewed it and

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Speaker 3: trashed it. But the reality is they're afraid of it.

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Speaker 3: Am I Racist been so successful because we specifically because

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Speaker 3: we didn't churn out another safe, predictable Hollywood style film.

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Speaker 3: Blah blah, blah blah, one last thing. Rolling Stone was

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Speaker 3: one of the first outlets to request the screener for

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Speaker 3: the review after the movie was announced back in July.

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Speaker 3: They've yet to post a review, which is a bummer

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Speaker 3: because I was looking forward to theirs. Most of all,

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Speaker 3: I've said many times, there's a huge growing awareness of

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Speaker 3: how the woke thing and critical race theory and radical

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Speaker 3: gender theory and queer theory, the transgender thing, it's all

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Speaker 3: neo Marxism with different guys as different faces, but it's

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Speaker 3: all intent on tearing down Western civilization and putting those

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Speaker 3: people in charge. We are at the end of the beginning,

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Speaker 3: not the beginning of the end. Here is a really

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Speaker 3: well done, controversial, but extremely relevant movie that they're so

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Speaker 3: afraid of they won't even review it. To trash it.

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Speaker 3: They pretend it doesn't exist. We've barely begun the fight.

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Speaker 2: Friends, Jack Armstrong and Joe, Gatty Armstrong and Getty