1 00:00:01,600 --> 00:00:04,280 Speaker 1: Everybody. It's Bill Courtney with an army of normal folks, 2 00:00:04,400 --> 00:00:07,680 Speaker 1: and we bring to you today shop Talk number twenty eight. 3 00:00:08,720 --> 00:00:14,440 Speaker 1: No bell, but listener. Vita Scott is apparently mailing us one. 4 00:00:14,560 --> 00:00:17,119 Speaker 1: So Vita, if you're listening to us, I'm waiting on 5 00:00:17,160 --> 00:00:19,279 Speaker 1: my bell. As soon as I get it, I'll start 6 00:00:19,360 --> 00:00:24,159 Speaker 1: ringing it after I number our Shop Talk. It's not 7 00:00:24,200 --> 00:00:30,040 Speaker 1: a lot more grateful, Vita, thanks so much. Actually, I'm 8 00:00:30,080 --> 00:00:34,440 Speaker 1: really appreciative because Alex refuses to go get me a bell, 9 00:00:34,600 --> 00:00:36,760 Speaker 1: so the thoughtfulness of you to send me one is 10 00:00:37,240 --> 00:00:41,360 Speaker 1: unparalleled and very appreciated. How's that great? Actually mean it? Vita, 11 00:00:41,400 --> 00:00:47,080 Speaker 1: thank you. Shot Talk number twenty eight. We're going to 12 00:00:47,200 --> 00:00:52,839 Speaker 1: talk about an interesting story that just occurred in my 13 00:00:52,880 --> 00:00:55,520 Speaker 1: life two days ago when I was speaking to some 14 00:00:55,760 --> 00:01:02,640 Speaker 1: senior students at the University of Memphis, and how semantics 15 00:01:03,800 --> 00:01:08,880 Speaker 1: got in the way of progress and the word tradition 16 00:01:10,080 --> 00:01:16,120 Speaker 1: was was misunderstood. And I want to end it with 17 00:01:16,200 --> 00:01:19,600 Speaker 1: a very traditional thing that I think we can all 18 00:01:19,800 --> 00:01:23,399 Speaker 1: subscribe to and do it with an open mind, the 19 00:01:23,440 --> 00:01:27,760 Speaker 1: Code of the West. So, right after these brief messages 20 00:01:27,800 --> 00:01:31,479 Speaker 1: from our generous sponsors, Shop Talk number twenty eight, Bell 21 00:01:31,640 --> 00:01:36,600 Speaker 1: to come from Beta Scott, understanding the importance of talking 22 00:01:36,640 --> 00:01:39,720 Speaker 1: to each other and not past each other, and the 23 00:01:39,720 --> 00:02:04,960 Speaker 1: code of the West. Hey, everybody spell Courtney, welcome back 24 00:02:05,000 --> 00:02:07,800 Speaker 1: shop Talking number twenty eight. I was doing a speech 25 00:02:07,920 --> 00:02:11,000 Speaker 1: for a managerial leadership class that I do annually at 26 00:02:11,040 --> 00:02:15,880 Speaker 1: the University of Memphis, actually this week, and one of 27 00:02:15,919 --> 00:02:19,640 Speaker 1: the things I love to do is I put a 28 00:02:19,760 --> 00:02:24,320 Speaker 1: metric on the dry race board. I just want you 29 00:02:24,360 --> 00:02:29,160 Speaker 1: to think of a of a slide graph, and in 30 00:02:29,200 --> 00:02:31,640 Speaker 1: the middle, the very middle of that thing, I just 31 00:02:31,840 --> 00:02:35,280 Speaker 1: call the middle, and then I tick mark to the 32 00:02:35,400 --> 00:02:41,440 Speaker 1: right things that are typically politically right. So just to 33 00:02:41,520 --> 00:02:46,800 Speaker 1: the very right of the center, I might write small 34 00:02:46,840 --> 00:02:50,799 Speaker 1: government but socially open, and then at the very far 35 00:02:50,919 --> 00:02:53,079 Speaker 1: end of the right, I write Nazi, and then all 36 00:02:53,200 --> 00:02:57,160 Speaker 1: kinds of things along in between GOP and then MAGA 37 00:02:57,160 --> 00:03:03,560 Speaker 1: and the whatever. And then on the left I put, 38 00:03:03,639 --> 00:03:08,840 Speaker 1: you know, just the left traditional blue dog democrat, and 39 00:03:08,880 --> 00:03:12,240 Speaker 1: then a little left of that is maybe belief in 40 00:03:13,080 --> 00:03:18,799 Speaker 1: big government programs, and then all the way down to socialism, 41 00:03:18,880 --> 00:03:21,480 Speaker 1: and then at the very end communism. So what I'm 42 00:03:21,520 --> 00:03:26,200 Speaker 1: doing is creating a range from the center of right 43 00:03:26,480 --> 00:03:29,639 Speaker 1: and left, and then ask everybody in the class to 44 00:03:29,760 --> 00:03:32,799 Speaker 1: raise their hands, and it doesn't matter if they are 45 00:03:32,880 --> 00:03:36,600 Speaker 1: a millimeter right, just barely right, all the way to 46 00:03:36,640 --> 00:03:40,760 Speaker 1: the far right, but if their political thinking is on 47 00:03:40,840 --> 00:03:42,800 Speaker 1: the right of the middle, to raise their hands. And 48 00:03:42,840 --> 00:03:46,560 Speaker 1: then I do the same for the left, and I 49 00:03:46,560 --> 00:03:51,760 Speaker 1: mean invariably it is almost fifty to fifty. I've done 50 00:03:51,760 --> 00:03:56,040 Speaker 1: this with numbers of college level courses across the country, 51 00:03:56,240 --> 00:03:59,320 Speaker 1: in all kinds of different places do the same thing. 52 00:03:59,400 --> 00:04:03,000 Speaker 1: And it is so interesting that even among college students 53 00:04:03,040 --> 00:04:05,640 Speaker 1: says they consider where they fall on that little slide 54 00:04:05,720 --> 00:04:09,400 Speaker 1: rule graph, it's almost always fifty to fifty, and most 55 00:04:09,520 --> 00:04:11,960 Speaker 1: are typically saying, well, I'm just a little right, so 56 00:04:12,000 --> 00:04:13,800 Speaker 1: I had to say right or I'm just a little left, 57 00:04:13,800 --> 00:04:17,680 Speaker 1: as very few that it's extremes, which is really a 58 00:04:17,760 --> 00:04:22,159 Speaker 1: microcosm of our society, isn't it. So anyway, what I 59 00:04:22,279 --> 00:04:24,320 Speaker 1: do then as I say, okay, everybody on the left, 60 00:04:24,400 --> 00:04:27,360 Speaker 1: raise your hand, and I make each of them give 61 00:04:27,400 --> 00:04:32,320 Speaker 1: me a word, one word that defines what makes them 62 00:04:32,400 --> 00:04:37,760 Speaker 1: say they're left. And on this particular day, someone said choice, 63 00:04:38,480 --> 00:04:44,880 Speaker 1: another said freedom, another said fairness, another said equity. And 64 00:04:44,920 --> 00:04:49,440 Speaker 1: then ask the people on the right name something you know, 65 00:04:49,760 --> 00:05:00,360 Speaker 1: and one said responsibility, one said safety, another said traditional value. 66 00:05:00,839 --> 00:05:02,960 Speaker 1: Then it went on down like that. And then what 67 00:05:03,040 --> 00:05:05,680 Speaker 1: I do is I say to the people who are 68 00:05:05,680 --> 00:05:08,960 Speaker 1: on the left, do any of these things that the 69 00:05:09,080 --> 00:05:17,719 Speaker 1: right people identified themselves as bother you? And typically everybody's like, no, 70 00:05:17,960 --> 00:05:23,000 Speaker 1: I mean, I'm okay with believing in your country, I'm 71 00:05:23,040 --> 00:05:25,040 Speaker 1: okay with this, that and the other thing. And then 72 00:05:25,080 --> 00:05:26,680 Speaker 1: the people on the left, I say, does any of 73 00:05:26,760 --> 00:05:29,320 Speaker 1: us bother you, any of the people on the right 74 00:05:29,480 --> 00:05:31,839 Speaker 1: bothered by any of the characteristics that people on the 75 00:05:31,880 --> 00:05:37,640 Speaker 1: left self defied define themselves out, And typically there's always no. 76 00:05:38,480 --> 00:05:42,120 Speaker 1: And the point is that we define ourselves by the 77 00:05:42,200 --> 00:05:45,320 Speaker 1: right and the left. And while the media and the 78 00:05:45,320 --> 00:05:48,039 Speaker 1: political cric class want to tell us that if you're 79 00:05:48,040 --> 00:05:50,200 Speaker 1: on the right, the people on the left your enemy, 80 00:05:50,279 --> 00:05:52,520 Speaker 1: and you don't think anything like them, and if you're 81 00:05:52,560 --> 00:05:54,200 Speaker 1: on the left, the people on the right of your enemy, 82 00:05:54,200 --> 00:05:56,360 Speaker 1: you don't think anything like them. That if we actually 83 00:05:56,440 --> 00:06:01,520 Speaker 1: sit down and discuss these things and actually talk about 84 00:06:01,560 --> 00:06:05,120 Speaker 1: what in our mind actually identifies what we call ourselves 85 00:06:05,160 --> 00:06:08,400 Speaker 1: this right or left, we're not at all put off 86 00:06:09,400 --> 00:06:11,919 Speaker 1: by what makes us right or left. And in fact, 87 00:06:11,960 --> 00:06:16,560 Speaker 1: many of those values are shared, and I make that 88 00:06:17,320 --> 00:06:21,080 Speaker 1: comparison with these students to try to convince them to 89 00:06:21,160 --> 00:06:23,760 Speaker 1: quit listening to the narrative that if you don't think 90 00:06:23,880 --> 00:06:26,560 Speaker 1: like me, look like me, believe like me, vote like me, 91 00:06:26,680 --> 00:06:30,600 Speaker 1: or love like me your manemy. You may have different values, 92 00:06:30,600 --> 00:06:33,400 Speaker 1: and you may have different thoughts about how to go 93 00:06:33,520 --> 00:06:37,240 Speaker 1: about achieving your goals in life, but at the end 94 00:06:37,279 --> 00:06:41,280 Speaker 1: of the day, we're really not that different, And at 95 00:06:41,279 --> 00:06:43,000 Speaker 1: the end of the day, we're really not that put 96 00:06:43,040 --> 00:06:48,520 Speaker 1: off by what we say defines us. And honestly, many 97 00:06:48,640 --> 00:06:52,360 Speaker 1: of those things have crossover sets of beliefs, and if 98 00:06:52,360 --> 00:06:55,800 Speaker 1: we go quit listening to the noise and start communicating 99 00:06:55,839 --> 00:06:59,240 Speaker 1: with each other, it's really not that hard to find 100 00:06:59,240 --> 00:07:03,240 Speaker 1: common ground. And I illustrated through this little exercise two 101 00:07:03,279 --> 00:07:07,800 Speaker 1: days ago when I asked the left if they were 102 00:07:07,880 --> 00:07:11,840 Speaker 1: offset by any of the characteristics self defined by the right. 103 00:07:13,600 --> 00:07:18,120 Speaker 1: A young man raised his hand. And this guy was smart. 104 00:07:18,320 --> 00:07:21,360 Speaker 1: Earlier in the conversation, asked him questions. He knew all 105 00:07:21,400 --> 00:07:26,960 Speaker 1: the answers. Historically he was. He was a smart kid. 106 00:07:29,280 --> 00:07:32,400 Speaker 1: Sat in the front of the class, sat up, listened, 107 00:07:32,640 --> 00:07:34,920 Speaker 1: was taking notes. You could tell he was there to 108 00:07:35,000 --> 00:07:37,480 Speaker 1: learn and you could also tell he had a bit 109 00:07:37,520 --> 00:07:41,400 Speaker 1: of confidence about himself when I really appreciated it. And 110 00:07:41,440 --> 00:07:47,040 Speaker 1: when I got to fundamentals or traditions actually was the 111 00:07:47,080 --> 00:07:51,680 Speaker 1: word which was a right defining tenant, he said I 112 00:07:51,720 --> 00:07:53,840 Speaker 1: have a problem with that one. And I said, you 113 00:07:53,840 --> 00:07:59,200 Speaker 1: have a problem with traditional values and he said yeah. 114 00:07:59,520 --> 00:08:02,280 Speaker 1: And I into the young lady who put it up there, 115 00:08:02,840 --> 00:08:05,080 Speaker 1: and I said, he has a problem traditional value. Does 116 00:08:05,120 --> 00:08:07,880 Speaker 1: that make him your enemy? And she looked at me like, 117 00:08:09,480 --> 00:08:11,680 Speaker 1: oh my gosh, I can't believe you just started an 118 00:08:11,760 --> 00:08:13,480 Speaker 1: argument with this guy in my class. And I looked 119 00:08:13,520 --> 00:08:17,920 Speaker 1: back at him. I said, what about traditional bother values? 120 00:08:18,280 --> 00:08:21,280 Speaker 1: Bothers you? And I said, write it down, don't say it, 121 00:08:21,480 --> 00:08:24,520 Speaker 1: just write it down. And he wrote it down, and 122 00:08:24,600 --> 00:08:27,120 Speaker 1: I asked the girl, I said, write down the traditional 123 00:08:27,240 --> 00:08:31,400 Speaker 1: value you're thinking about. So then I took him and 124 00:08:31,480 --> 00:08:33,959 Speaker 1: I read his and his said, when I played high 125 00:08:34,000 --> 00:08:36,960 Speaker 1: school football, my football coach wouldn't let me have drugs. 126 00:08:38,520 --> 00:08:42,199 Speaker 1: And that makes me angry because I think I should 127 00:08:42,200 --> 00:08:44,079 Speaker 1: be able to have druds. And just because it may 128 00:08:44,120 --> 00:08:47,840 Speaker 1: not be traditional and what older people think is neat 129 00:08:47,920 --> 00:08:53,600 Speaker 1: and tidy, it's cool and frankly, you know, for me, 130 00:08:53,760 --> 00:08:59,880 Speaker 1: it's ethnically appropriate. And I said, oh, so I read 131 00:08:59,880 --> 00:09:03,240 Speaker 1: the girls and I said traditional values. And her said 132 00:09:03,920 --> 00:09:06,640 Speaker 1: the golden rule. Do unto others as you would have 133 00:09:07,120 --> 00:09:10,360 Speaker 1: others do under you. And so I looked at him 134 00:09:10,400 --> 00:09:12,400 Speaker 1: and I said, do you have a problem with the 135 00:09:12,400 --> 00:09:14,640 Speaker 1: golden rule? And he said absolutely not. He said that's 136 00:09:14,679 --> 00:09:16,599 Speaker 1: a great fundamental And I looked at the girl and 137 00:09:16,640 --> 00:09:18,160 Speaker 1: I said, do you have a problem with his dreads? 138 00:09:18,160 --> 00:09:24,480 Speaker 1: And she says no, I actually think he's kind of cute. See, 139 00:09:25,000 --> 00:09:29,240 Speaker 1: we get caught up in semantics. We get caught up 140 00:09:28,440 --> 00:09:35,600 Speaker 1: in what people say, or what the press or the 141 00:09:35,640 --> 00:09:39,200 Speaker 1: political class say. We are supposed to think about a 142 00:09:39,200 --> 00:09:46,000 Speaker 1: specific word or a specific topic, and instead of actually 143 00:09:46,040 --> 00:09:51,560 Speaker 1: having the temerity to define the way we really feel, 144 00:09:51,840 --> 00:09:56,080 Speaker 1: and instead of talking with each other, we often talk 145 00:09:56,240 --> 00:10:00,240 Speaker 1: past each other. And him talking past each other miss 146 00:10:00,280 --> 00:10:06,760 Speaker 1: an opportunity every single day to grow. And at the 147 00:10:06,840 --> 00:10:10,240 Speaker 1: end of the class, that girl and that kid who'd 148 00:10:10,280 --> 00:10:12,400 Speaker 1: never spoken to each other all the way through the semester, 149 00:10:13,400 --> 00:10:16,240 Speaker 1: who at the beginning of the exercise actually thought they 150 00:10:16,280 --> 00:10:23,760 Speaker 1: were completely at odds. We're buddies. What an amazing lesson. 151 00:10:25,360 --> 00:10:33,040 Speaker 1: So as I think about traditional values. I'm reminded of 152 00:10:33,240 --> 00:10:38,400 Speaker 1: a text we got from a listener, Andrew maul m Aue. 153 00:10:41,360 --> 00:10:43,400 Speaker 1: I think I'm pronouncing it right, but I'm Andrew. If 154 00:10:43,400 --> 00:10:47,440 Speaker 1: I just butchered your name, I'm sorry. And he sent 155 00:10:51,520 --> 00:10:55,200 Speaker 1: He sent a list that's called the Code of the 156 00:10:55,240 --> 00:11:02,520 Speaker 1: West and its Traditional Values that apparently is a code 157 00:11:02,520 --> 00:11:07,120 Speaker 1: to the West, a cowboy code. It's a code, as 158 00:11:07,160 --> 00:11:10,720 Speaker 1: he explained it, it's a standard by which ranchers and 159 00:11:10,760 --> 00:11:14,880 Speaker 1: farmers tend to live, and a culture that still respects 160 00:11:14,880 --> 00:11:18,160 Speaker 1: and honors each other. I think we would be a 161 00:11:18,160 --> 00:11:24,760 Speaker 1: lot better if people understood and employed these concepts. One 162 00:11:25,120 --> 00:11:28,920 Speaker 1: live each day with courage. Two take pride in your work. 163 00:11:29,360 --> 00:11:33,760 Speaker 1: Three always finish what you start. Four do what has 164 00:11:33,840 --> 00:11:38,520 Speaker 1: to be done. Five be tough but fair. Six When 165 00:11:38,559 --> 00:11:43,439 Speaker 1: you make a promise, keep it. Seven Ride for the brand. 166 00:11:44,920 --> 00:11:48,520 Speaker 1: I love that. Ride for the brand, the history of 167 00:11:48,520 --> 00:11:53,440 Speaker 1: the where branding comes from, like branding with companies, from 168 00:11:53,480 --> 00:11:59,920 Speaker 1: branding the cows or the bulls company. Branding well, which 169 00:12:00,080 --> 00:12:03,040 Speaker 1: means if you work for a company, ride for that brand, 170 00:12:03,160 --> 00:12:06,640 Speaker 1: work for it, work hard, ride for the brand, talk 171 00:12:06,760 --> 00:12:12,080 Speaker 1: less and say more good Lord. That one probably spoke 172 00:12:12,160 --> 00:12:14,960 Speaker 1: to me like opened up the clouds through the heavens. 173 00:12:15,880 --> 00:12:20,200 Speaker 1: Remember some things aren't for sale. I love that know 174 00:12:20,240 --> 00:12:24,520 Speaker 1: where to draw the line the Code of the West. Now, 175 00:12:25,679 --> 00:12:32,160 Speaker 1: I will say, if you go into certain I would 176 00:12:32,160 --> 00:12:38,880 Speaker 1: bet if you went into certain parts of our country 177 00:12:38,960 --> 00:12:42,360 Speaker 1: in urban areas and said, how do you feel about 178 00:12:42,360 --> 00:12:44,800 Speaker 1: the Code of the West, the old traditional code of 179 00:12:44,800 --> 00:12:48,360 Speaker 1: the West, they would either not know what you're talking 180 00:12:48,400 --> 00:12:51,360 Speaker 1: about or tell you they don't bind all that stuff. 181 00:12:52,360 --> 00:12:55,120 Speaker 1: But I bet if you said, do you believe we 182 00:12:55,120 --> 00:12:57,360 Speaker 1: should live each day with courage, take pride in our work. 183 00:12:57,400 --> 00:12:59,520 Speaker 1: Always finish what you start. Do it has to be done. 184 00:12:59,640 --> 00:13:01,880 Speaker 1: Be tough, but fair. When you make a promise, keep 185 00:13:01,920 --> 00:13:04,120 Speaker 1: it ride for the brand, talk less and say more. 186 00:13:04,160 --> 00:13:06,160 Speaker 1: Remember some things aren't for sale. Nowhere to draw the 187 00:13:06,200 --> 00:13:12,840 Speaker 1: line it would all be agreed to. Conversely, I imagine there's 188 00:13:12,880 --> 00:13:15,560 Speaker 1: some things from urban areas that a lot of the 189 00:13:15,640 --> 00:13:19,680 Speaker 1: people that don't live in urban areas don't understand. And 190 00:13:19,720 --> 00:13:22,920 Speaker 1: when they hear it, they bristle, but they haven't taken 191 00:13:22,960 --> 00:13:26,120 Speaker 1: the time to actually understand it, where it comes from, 192 00:13:26,200 --> 00:13:31,080 Speaker 1: the basis of it and why. And so oftentimes we're 193 00:13:31,120 --> 00:13:34,200 Speaker 1: talking past each other, at each other, and not with 194 00:13:34,240 --> 00:13:39,959 Speaker 1: each other. So traditional values go both ways. I love 195 00:13:40,000 --> 00:13:43,040 Speaker 1: the Code of the West, but my time at Manassas 196 00:13:43,040 --> 00:13:45,880 Speaker 1: tells me there's a lot about the Code of the 197 00:13:45,920 --> 00:13:50,079 Speaker 1: Hood I appreciate too. And the only reason I appreciate 198 00:13:50,160 --> 00:13:51,520 Speaker 1: both the Code of the Hood and the Code of 199 00:13:51,559 --> 00:13:56,679 Speaker 1: the West is because I've been in both places. We 200 00:13:57,679 --> 00:13:59,600 Speaker 1: got to quit talking past each other and talk with 201 00:13:59,640 --> 00:14:04,840 Speaker 1: each other. We've got to explore and understand. There are 202 00:14:04,880 --> 00:14:08,520 Speaker 1: traditional values that exist all around us that can benefit 203 00:14:08,600 --> 00:14:12,840 Speaker 1: us all. But until we truly understand them and explore 204 00:14:12,880 --> 00:14:16,440 Speaker 1: them and have conversations about them, we are oftentimes just 205 00:14:16,480 --> 00:14:20,360 Speaker 1: going to continue to misunderstand each other. So it here 206 00:14:20,400 --> 00:14:22,480 Speaker 1: to the Code of the West. It here to the 207 00:14:22,480 --> 00:14:25,640 Speaker 1: Code of the Hood. Listen to one another, talk to 208 00:14:25,760 --> 00:14:28,560 Speaker 1: one another, and maybe the next time there's a guy 209 00:14:28,600 --> 00:14:32,080 Speaker 1: with dreads sit next to a traditional valued girl who 210 00:14:32,160 --> 00:14:35,040 Speaker 1: don't understand one another and think they're enemies, and the 211 00:14:35,160 --> 00:14:37,960 Speaker 1: odds maybe if they have a chat, they can end 212 00:14:38,040 --> 00:14:41,720 Speaker 1: up friends. Wouldn't it be beautiful if we had an 213 00:14:41,880 --> 00:14:46,000 Speaker 1: army of normal folks that did that across our country. 214 00:14:46,600 --> 00:14:49,000 Speaker 1: I'm Bill Courtney that shop talk number twenty eight. Before 215 00:14:49,000 --> 00:14:53,760 Speaker 1: we sign off, guys, send me ideas. I mean, the 216 00:14:53,840 --> 00:14:56,560 Speaker 1: last couple of shop talks have been about stuff you've 217 00:14:56,600 --> 00:15:01,160 Speaker 1: sent me, and uh, heck bell coming from one of you. 218 00:15:01,400 --> 00:15:06,040 Speaker 1: So send me ideas email only any time at Bill 219 00:15:06,240 --> 00:15:08,600 Speaker 1: at normal folks dot us. If you have some ideas 220 00:15:08,640 --> 00:15:11,320 Speaker 1: to talk about, I will discuss them if I think 221 00:15:11,360 --> 00:15:18,640 Speaker 1: there's any value to add. Lastly, we're hosting our second 222 00:15:18,760 --> 00:15:21,920 Speaker 1: live interview in Memphis and I I've told you about 223 00:15:21,920 --> 00:15:23,800 Speaker 1: this a few times, but I'm gonna say it again. 224 00:15:24,560 --> 00:15:28,400 Speaker 1: It's on November seventh with Todd Carbaniki, who is the 225 00:15:28,440 --> 00:15:32,600 Speaker 1: director of Elf, which is my favorite Christmas movie. He's 226 00:15:32,640 --> 00:15:35,560 Speaker 1: the writer of Sully, which is awesome that Tom Hanks 227 00:15:35,640 --> 00:15:40,680 Speaker 1: land the plane in the Hudson movie, and now, most recently, 228 00:15:41,200 --> 00:15:48,520 Speaker 1: the director of Angels Studios upcoming film. Bonhoffer Pastor Spy Assassin, y'all, 229 00:15:48,880 --> 00:15:52,520 Speaker 1: Dietrich Bonhaffer was a German pastor who tried to rally 230 00:15:52,560 --> 00:15:55,600 Speaker 1: the church to stop Hitler. He was involved in Operation 231 00:15:55,760 --> 00:16:00,800 Speaker 1: seven to smuggle Jews into neutral Switzerland and ultimately joined 232 00:16:00,800 --> 00:16:05,160 Speaker 1: the famous Valkri to assassinate Hitler, and he was executed 233 00:16:05,200 --> 00:16:09,400 Speaker 1: in concentration camp. I recently watched the movie they sent 234 00:16:09,440 --> 00:16:13,200 Speaker 1: me an invest screener of it, and it's incredible, and 235 00:16:13,280 --> 00:16:19,320 Speaker 1: the research done to make this movie correctly had to 236 00:16:19,360 --> 00:16:23,720 Speaker 1: have been extensive. And the guy who directed It's gonna 237 00:16:23,760 --> 00:16:28,720 Speaker 1: be with us live on November seventh in Memphis. We're 238 00:16:28,760 --> 00:16:31,400 Speaker 1: gonna record it. It's gonna be one of our next 239 00:16:31,560 --> 00:16:35,120 Speaker 1: Army of Normal Folks episodes. It will be about a 240 00:16:35,160 --> 00:16:41,400 Speaker 1: forty five minute interview and then the audience will open 241 00:16:41,440 --> 00:16:45,080 Speaker 1: for questions, which will also be part of the podcast. 242 00:16:45,160 --> 00:16:48,080 Speaker 1: The audience questions will be just as much part of 243 00:16:48,080 --> 00:16:55,280 Speaker 1: the podcast as my questions. We've already got two hundred 244 00:16:55,280 --> 00:16:58,240 Speaker 1: and sixty six RSVPs, but we can seat six hundred, 245 00:16:58,520 --> 00:17:01,640 Speaker 1: so y'all please come. It'll be a great night, be 246 00:17:01,680 --> 00:17:03,760 Speaker 1: an opportunity to meet a dude who's worked with some 247 00:17:03,800 --> 00:17:07,600 Speaker 1: cool people and been involved some cool projects. And it 248 00:17:07,640 --> 00:17:10,600 Speaker 1: should be informative. It should be a celebration of a 249 00:17:10,600 --> 00:17:14,000 Speaker 1: guy named Dietrich Bonhoffer, who is the epitome of what 250 00:17:14,119 --> 00:17:16,800 Speaker 1: it is to be a member of the Army of 251 00:17:16,880 --> 00:17:20,679 Speaker 1: Normal Folks, somebody we can learn a lot from. So 252 00:17:20,800 --> 00:17:24,919 Speaker 1: that's it. Thanks for joining sh Op Talk. Thanks to 253 00:17:24,960 --> 00:17:27,640 Speaker 1: our producer, Iron Light Labs. I'm Bill Courtney. We'll see 254 00:17:27,640 --> 00:17:28,160 Speaker 1: you next week.