WEBVTT - Draft Show: Need vs. Best Player Available 0:00:04.640 --> 0:00:09.120 This is the Dallas Cowboys dot Com Draft Show. Cowboys 0:00:09.280 --> 0:00:12.360 on the our war room for incenter news and draft 0:00:12.360 --> 0:00:16.480 analysis from deep within the confines of Cowboys Headquarters at 0:00:16.480 --> 0:00:21.520 the Star in Fresco, Dallas Cowboys Selectio Elliot and now 0:00:21.840 --> 0:00:27.280 your hosts Dane Brugler, David Hellman, and Brian brought us. Well, 0:00:27.320 --> 0:00:30.760 welcome back to the Draft show here from the SWBC 0:00:30.920 --> 0:00:34.600 Mortgage Studios. Brian brought us. Dane Brugler, CBS Sports dot 0:00:34.600 --> 0:00:39.000 Com contributed to Dallas Cowboys dot Com. David Hellman fine 0:00:39.040 --> 0:00:44.559 writer from Dallas Cowboys dot Com. Gentlemen, Welcome back to 0:00:44.640 --> 0:00:48.519 another week of draft talk. Kind of quiet out there 0:00:48.600 --> 0:00:52.680 right now, isn't it. It's the calm before the combine storm. Yeah, 0:00:52.960 --> 0:00:55.560 we'll get into that too. About that combine, We're gonna 0:00:55.560 --> 0:00:59.160 have five shows from the combine starting Tuesday, well so 0:00:59.480 --> 0:01:02.160 through sad Day. So excited about that. They have a 0:01:02.160 --> 0:01:04.400 new format for us there, which will be interesting, how 0:01:04.440 --> 0:01:07.520 they how they coordinate everything, just from the media perspective. 0:01:07.720 --> 0:01:09.880 Gonna move us over in the convention center right right 0:01:09.920 --> 0:01:13.600 and so, and the schedules a little different, so we'll 0:01:13.600 --> 0:01:15.240 see how it works out. I feel like it's gonna 0:01:15.240 --> 0:01:20.280 be more accessible, less accessible, less. It's never good. Hopefully 0:01:20.280 --> 0:01:22.800 it'll be less crowded. Never thought that I would ever 0:01:22.840 --> 0:01:24.840 see the Combine on TV. By the way, when I'm 0:01:24.880 --> 0:01:27.960 sitting there in nineteen ninety two, it's such a secretive thing. 0:01:28.280 --> 0:01:33.360 What's blown up bigger the NFL Combine or National Signing Day? Like, 0:01:33.400 --> 0:01:35.520 what's a bigger deal as opposed to think the signing 0:01:35.600 --> 0:01:38.440 day has? It's either way, it's unreal. Yeah, I think 0:01:38.480 --> 0:01:41.319 signing Day's gotten big, combines huge too. I remember I 0:01:41.360 --> 0:01:43.520 was talking with Rick Goslin recently about this from the 0:01:43.560 --> 0:01:46.399 fine writer from Dallas Morning News. He was one of 0:01:46.440 --> 0:01:49.200 eight guys that used to cover the combine. Now we 0:01:49.280 --> 0:01:52.400 have what a couple of thousands maybe, yeah, credential media. 0:01:52.440 --> 0:01:55.240 Credential media guys like nine hundred last year. I think, 0:01:55.280 --> 0:01:57.880 oh really, may maybe I double the number. It's over 0:01:57.920 --> 0:01:59.360 a thousand this year. But it felt like it was 0:01:59.400 --> 0:02:02.480 a lot like that. Yeah, excited though excited. We'll talk 0:02:02.480 --> 0:02:04.320 about we get close to the combine. We'll talk about 0:02:04.400 --> 0:02:07.680 that today. A couple of different ways you can get 0:02:07.720 --> 0:02:10.200 a hold of us. It's at the draft show. That's 0:02:10.200 --> 0:02:13.560 always the best way because we do. Kent Garrison, who's 0:02:13.560 --> 0:02:18.000 the executive producer of the show, puts it up on periscope, 0:02:18.080 --> 0:02:21.280 so if you're following at the Draft show, you can 0:02:21.840 --> 0:02:23.799 kind of catch what we're doing here right now. It's 0:02:23.800 --> 0:02:25.320 just a really easy way to do it. Plus you 0:02:25.360 --> 0:02:28.080 get questions to us, you know, we like to monitor 0:02:28.160 --> 0:02:30.520 that and when we do Twitter on the twenty that 0:02:30.600 --> 0:02:32.440 helps David a lot and helps Dan and I as 0:02:32.480 --> 0:02:35.480 well to kind of get your questions answered. Shows about 0:02:35.760 --> 0:02:38.600 you know, trying to help you guys become better educated 0:02:38.680 --> 0:02:42.520 fans of the Draft. Another way is to call us 0:02:43.320 --> 0:02:46.720 at eight eight, eight, five, two, two nine seven numbers 0:02:46.800 --> 0:02:49.600 right there on the screen. So we'll take some calls 0:02:49.600 --> 0:02:52.200 today again, like to always try and interact with the fans. 0:02:53.120 --> 0:02:54.760 Want to get into a couple of different things if 0:02:54.760 --> 0:02:57.560 I could, gentleman, I think first I want to start 0:02:57.600 --> 0:03:02.760 off with, is draft need our best available player? The 0:03:02.840 --> 0:03:05.400 myth of that? Is it something you know? I want 0:03:05.400 --> 0:03:08.200 to I want your thoughts on that because I've I've 0:03:08.240 --> 0:03:10.320 lived in a couple of different ways, but I want 0:03:10.320 --> 0:03:12.200 to I want to minister what you guys have to 0:03:12.240 --> 0:03:16.520 say about that. BPA. Yeah, it's something that at least 0:03:16.560 --> 0:03:20.240 For me, it depends on the team, depends on you know, 0:03:20.320 --> 0:03:23.200 where the that team is in terms of are they 0:03:23.240 --> 0:03:26.359 ready to win now or they are they rebuilding? Where 0:03:26.400 --> 0:03:30.639 are they in their roster structure? That plays a part, 0:03:30.720 --> 0:03:33.880 And so it's not a blanket answer for every single team, 0:03:33.919 --> 0:03:36.840 but for the most part, it's almost always best player available, 0:03:36.960 --> 0:03:40.440 especially in the first round, especially top ten, top fifteen, 0:03:40.480 --> 0:03:43.040 top twenty. Your main goal when you have a when 0:03:43.040 --> 0:03:45.080 you don't make the playoffs and you're picking top twenty, 0:03:45.360 --> 0:03:47.880 your main goal should not be too you know, plug 0:03:47.920 --> 0:03:50.280 that that top need. It should be to help your 0:03:50.320 --> 0:03:53.280 roster with talent. I definitely want to get I totally 0:03:53.280 --> 0:03:55.480 agree with what you're saying here. I do, and I'm 0:03:55.520 --> 0:03:58.360 going to get into that. Got Twitter on the twenty 0:03:58.920 --> 0:04:01.880 as well, Like we talked about, and then we got 0:04:02.320 --> 0:04:05.400 our last segment. It's gonna be Draft show, shopping list 0:04:06.560 --> 0:04:08.080 and Dave him and the way we're gonna play this 0:04:08.200 --> 0:04:10.680 is Dave Hellman is going to be the shopper and 0:04:11.040 --> 0:04:12.920 Dane Brugler and I are going to try and fill 0:04:13.200 --> 0:04:18.599 his basket full of players at certain positions and shopping spree. Yeah, 0:04:18.600 --> 0:04:21.280 it's a shopping spree. Shopping music queued up. Yeah, give 0:04:21.320 --> 0:04:23.599 me the shopping network music. Whatever we got there. You 0:04:23.640 --> 0:04:25.400 have a budget to work with. It's gonna go down 0:04:25.400 --> 0:04:27.960 the aisland. Yeah, Yeah, you're gonna go down. You're gonna 0:04:27.960 --> 0:04:30.760 go down the aisland. You're gonna You're gonna ask us 0:04:30.800 --> 0:04:35.479 some specific rounds questions players kind of Andre and Dane 0:04:35.480 --> 0:04:36.839 and I are going to try and to fill up 0:04:36.880 --> 0:04:39.880 your basket for you. So that's what we got going today. 0:04:40.040 --> 0:04:41.560 And I want to and then so I want to 0:04:41.600 --> 0:04:44.320 start it with what Dane was exactly talking about. I'm 0:04:44.320 --> 0:04:46.040 gonna read a statement to you here and see if 0:04:46.040 --> 0:04:50.279 you guys agree at this at all. The smartest NFL 0:04:50.400 --> 0:04:56.560 general managers opt for best available player overneed, at least 0:04:56.600 --> 0:05:01.359 in the draft's first three rounds. This leads to a 0:05:01.680 --> 0:05:04.080 leads to an overall higher level of talent of the 0:05:04.200 --> 0:05:09.640 for the roster. Teams like Seattle, you know often mentions 0:05:09.680 --> 0:05:14.640 having deep rosters employed this draft philosophy. I can live 0:05:14.680 --> 0:05:18.000 with that philosophy because the guy who's the general manager Seattle, 0:05:19.000 --> 0:05:22.039 John Snyder, was in Green Bay. Another guy you could 0:05:22.040 --> 0:05:23.760 talk about back in the day that used to do 0:05:23.800 --> 0:05:26.839 this and now does it at Washington. Scott mccluan, and 0:05:26.960 --> 0:05:28.960 he was when he was at San Francisco. We always 0:05:28.960 --> 0:05:32.880 thought about San Francisco having a very deep and talented roster. 0:05:34.160 --> 0:05:38.680 What are your thoughts on that first three rounds? I 0:05:38.720 --> 0:05:41.159 think that makes sense. And I think for something something 0:05:41.160 --> 0:05:44.840 people need to remember is that draft boards on for 0:05:45.000 --> 0:05:47.520 NFL teams they're not three hundred deep, you know, and 0:05:47.560 --> 0:05:49.400 they don't They're not going to all look the same. 0:05:49.440 --> 0:05:51.960 And so if a player or if a team takes 0:05:52.080 --> 0:05:55.520 a certain player in the second round that maybe we 0:05:55.600 --> 0:05:58.159 all thought would be a fourth round pick. I'm sorry, 0:05:58.160 --> 0:06:00.400 the diamonds on your ring, it just blinding me right now. 0:06:00.520 --> 0:06:03.960 Just world champion, Yeah, and brought us dievery. I just 0:06:04.000 --> 0:06:05.800 remind myself at one time in my life I was 0:06:05.800 --> 0:06:10.080 a winner. Yeah, flashing that around. No, I'm sorry, I 0:06:10.120 --> 0:06:13.159 just I just wore it today. My bad. But no, 0:06:13.279 --> 0:06:16.400 I think, uh, you know, so if a team has 0:06:16.440 --> 0:06:18.160 one hundred and fifty hundred and eighty names on a 0:06:18.240 --> 0:06:21.680 draft board, you know it's gonna look drastically different when 0:06:21.680 --> 0:06:24.080 they take player a who in the second round, who 0:06:24.080 --> 0:06:25.520 we thought maybe as a fourth round pick, but on 0:06:25.560 --> 0:06:27.599 their board, that was the best available player. And I 0:06:27.640 --> 0:06:30.360 think it's true that a lot of the most successful 0:06:30.360 --> 0:06:35.279 teams they don't reach for need um. You know, Quarterbacks 0:06:35.279 --> 0:06:37.520 a little different, you know, I don't think you can 0:06:37.560 --> 0:06:40.440 necessarily rank quarterbacks on your overall big board, just because 0:06:40.480 --> 0:06:44.080 it's a little bit of a different animal. But value 0:06:44.320 --> 0:06:46.440 is a factor too, And if you really like a player, 0:06:46.760 --> 0:06:48.640 you have to factor in what's his value. If you 0:06:48.680 --> 0:06:51.159 want him, you have to get him, you know here, 0:06:51.240 --> 0:06:54.280 And if you really like Christian McCaffrey, you might have 0:06:54.360 --> 0:06:55.839 to and you have an early second round pick, you 0:06:55.880 --> 0:06:57.280 might have to trade up into the back end of 0:06:57.520 --> 0:07:01.800 round one, So value you need, it's all part of 0:07:01.839 --> 0:07:05.640 the same equation. But I don't know how how do 0:07:05.640 --> 0:07:09.960 you feel about it? I kind of I like that though. 0:07:10.240 --> 0:07:13.240 I like what you're saying, and I think that and 0:07:13.280 --> 0:07:17.119 that's why I like where you talk about the first 0:07:17.160 --> 0:07:21.520 three rounds. But there's other there's other means. Go ahead, David, 0:07:21.600 --> 0:07:23.920 I'll let you have your say it is. I'll yeah, 0:07:24.120 --> 0:07:26.040 let me be real for a second, because I feel 0:07:26.200 --> 0:07:29.920 somewhat strongly about this, which it's a great philosophy and 0:07:30.000 --> 0:07:33.560 it should be the philosophy that all NFL teams abide by. 0:07:33.720 --> 0:07:35.520 But I think that's a lot of lip service in 0:07:35.520 --> 0:07:38.880 a lot of cases, because at the end of the day, 0:07:39.360 --> 0:07:41.800 you're a bad draft or a bad season away from 0:07:41.800 --> 0:07:44.440 everybody losing their job. And I don't think that's true. 0:07:44.520 --> 0:07:47.760 I don't think you can separate that fact a good point. 0:07:48.240 --> 0:07:50.360 And so you look, you go back and you mentioned 0:07:50.440 --> 0:07:53.320 John Schneider, you mentioned the Seattle Seahawks. There's there's maybe 0:07:53.360 --> 0:07:55.560 like five or six teams in the NFL that I 0:07:55.560 --> 0:07:57.920 think you can truly count on to follow that strategy 0:07:58.040 --> 0:08:00.000 year in and year out. And it's not a coincidence 0:08:00.120 --> 0:08:03.360 that they're all highly successful teams, playoff teams, playoff teams, 0:08:03.440 --> 0:08:06.720 championship teams. The Patriots do it, the Packers do it, 0:08:07.080 --> 0:08:10.400 the Seahawks do it. Who else I'll go, But I mean, 0:08:10.440 --> 0:08:13.040 I'll tell you something happened. Cowboys are starting to do it. 0:08:13.200 --> 0:08:15.040 I mean you can sort of you can give them credit, 0:08:15.160 --> 0:08:16.880 especially at the top of the draft. You can give 0:08:16.920 --> 0:08:19.800 them credit. You think about obviously their first round picks, 0:08:19.800 --> 0:08:23.160 but even picks like a Chaz Green maybe not necessarily 0:08:23.680 --> 0:08:26.560 a guy that you needed, but you know, sitting there 0:08:26.560 --> 0:08:28.320 at ninety two. So I think they can get some 0:08:28.360 --> 0:08:30.120 credit for that. But I think at the end of 0:08:30.160 --> 0:08:33.160 the day, I mean, why do and Dane's right quarterbacks 0:08:33.160 --> 0:08:35.800 a little bit different? But why do Blaine Gabberts and 0:08:35.880 --> 0:08:38.920 Christian Ponders and EJ. Manuals go where they go. It's 0:08:38.960 --> 0:08:41.360 because at the end of the day, you can't separate 0:08:41.400 --> 0:08:43.440 the fact that you got to you gotta do something 0:08:43.480 --> 0:08:46.480 to get wins. And I think eventually that permeates everybody's 0:08:46.559 --> 0:08:51.280 draft strategy eventually, except for maybe Bill Belichick because he's 0:08:51.320 --> 0:08:53.680 about the only guy in the league that's got unassailable 0:08:53.880 --> 0:08:57.480 job security. Yeah, and they talk about Belichick. In twenty thirteen, 0:08:58.400 --> 0:09:00.559 everybody was yelling at New England had to fix their 0:09:00.600 --> 0:09:04.720 defensive line and running back problems. Rounds two three, they 0:09:04.720 --> 0:09:06.720 didn't have a first round pick. They saw him take 0:09:06.880 --> 0:09:12.720 defensive back and wide receiver. Why because Belichick wanted Jamie Collins, 0:09:13.320 --> 0:09:17.040 Aaron Dobson, and Logan Ryan the players, not the position 0:09:17.080 --> 0:09:22.319 they played. There's something to that. You still got the 0:09:22.360 --> 0:09:26.760 Cowboys twenty fourteen, everybody said Jerry Jones was nuts for 0:09:26.800 --> 0:09:30.520 cutting some of his more expensive defensive pieces and leaving 0:09:30.520 --> 0:09:32.559 a shell of a unit to take the field. The 0:09:32.679 --> 0:09:36.760 first round pick of that draft was guard Zach Martin, 0:09:37.600 --> 0:09:40.480 three time pro bowler. You know, yeah, you know, so 0:09:40.559 --> 0:09:43.080 what it looks like he was leaving completely his defense 0:09:43.160 --> 0:09:46.800 to be an apt you know, he picked the right guy. 0:09:47.080 --> 0:09:49.760 You could argue that in his defense is still somewhat 0:09:49.800 --> 0:09:52.080 unapped though, Yeah, maybe he needs to pick maybe he 0:09:52.120 --> 0:09:54.360 needs to But how about this one. How about on 0:09:54.400 --> 0:09:56.680 the opposite end, how about what Tom Demittroff did to 0:09:56.720 --> 0:10:01.400 go get Julio Jones. Yeah, which is is that considered 0:10:01.440 --> 0:10:04.480 best available players, that considered going and getting a need 0:10:05.440 --> 0:10:07.840 and see that's and that's that's a great you know 0:10:08.360 --> 0:10:10.280 kind of I mean, if you see me, I have 0:10:10.280 --> 0:10:13.200 a chance to get Julio Jones, right but and seeing 0:10:13.280 --> 0:10:16.600 that that helps I would argue now, right now, but 0:10:16.679 --> 0:10:19.280 what about the you know how many years it took 0:10:19.280 --> 0:10:21.120 them to get to this level with the draft picks 0:10:21.200 --> 0:10:24.520 that they lost to get Julio Jones, that they couldn't 0:10:24.600 --> 0:10:27.280 build help build the roster, you know. So it's it's 0:10:27.280 --> 0:10:29.640 a double edged sword, yes to this point. I mean, 0:10:29.720 --> 0:10:32.440 Julio Jones obviously is arguably the top receiver in the game, 0:10:33.240 --> 0:10:36.800 and he helps change your offense. But there's a reason 0:10:36.840 --> 0:10:40.640 the Falcons haven't won since, not until really until this 0:10:40.720 --> 0:10:42.760 year in terms of making it advancing as far as 0:10:42.840 --> 0:10:44.760 they did. And a big part of that is losing 0:10:44.760 --> 0:10:46.200 the draft picks that they had to lose to get 0:10:46.280 --> 0:10:50.000 Julio Jones, losing depth on that team. And so it's 0:10:50.000 --> 0:10:52.400 something that is a double edged sword. And we could 0:10:52.400 --> 0:10:54.520 debate whether or not that was the right move or 0:10:55.320 --> 0:10:57.240 whether or not you know, that's something that team should 0:10:57.240 --> 0:10:59.640 really should really do. That's a big gamble. And to you, 0:10:59.760 --> 0:11:01.920 I mean, I know he's your buddy, no disrespect. You 0:11:01.920 --> 0:11:05.800 can say whatever you want. While the Falcons were waiting 0:11:05.880 --> 0:11:08.520 to reach that level of success, Thomas Dimitrov lost some 0:11:08.600 --> 0:11:12.280 of his standing in the organization. Absolutely took a demotion. Absolutely, 0:11:12.480 --> 0:11:14.679 So I mean, you know, you can repaint and you 0:11:14.760 --> 0:11:17.040 can use your revisionist history all you want, but it's 0:11:17.120 --> 0:11:19.920 not like it was this steady building block toward a 0:11:20.000 --> 0:11:23.000 super You asked that trade you as Dan Quinn, he 0:11:23.240 --> 0:11:25.800 probably says, absolutely is the right move. You asked Mike Smith, 0:11:26.360 --> 0:11:29.920 who was the head coach, He probably says, I didn't 0:11:29.960 --> 0:11:32.520 like that so much. See if you agree with this, 0:11:33.080 --> 0:11:36.600 when you draft with when you draft thinking about need based, 0:11:37.400 --> 0:11:39.839 you will always pass up more talented players in the 0:11:39.960 --> 0:11:45.599 name of short term fixes. I mean yeah, in in 0:11:46.240 --> 0:11:47.840 in general when you're drafting for me, and I think 0:11:47.840 --> 0:11:49.520 that's true. And that's that goes back to my point 0:11:49.640 --> 0:11:52.400 is you know, you draft a quarterback that I think 0:11:52.440 --> 0:11:56.720 objectively everybody would agree has no business going where he goes. 0:11:56.880 --> 0:11:59.920 But that's such an important position that if it were 0:12:00.200 --> 0:12:02.559 out it's people will tell you it's worth their risk. 0:12:02.679 --> 0:12:07.480 But in most circumstances, you know, those guys that those 0:12:07.520 --> 0:12:10.079 first round quarterback picks that go outside, you know, they're 0:12:10.120 --> 0:12:13.120 not slam dunk guys like it very rarely works out 0:12:13.559 --> 0:12:15.320 the way that people want it to when you drafted 0:12:15.360 --> 0:12:18.640 an ej. Manuel sixteenth overall, But in some sense you 0:12:18.720 --> 0:12:21.079 almost have to do it because that's the best way 0:12:21.120 --> 0:12:23.520 to save your chop status going forward. As if you 0:12:23.600 --> 0:12:26.560 hit on a pick like that, and it's I'm gonna 0:12:26.600 --> 0:12:31.640 play Devil's advocate here, because if a team is let's 0:12:31.679 --> 0:12:36.160 say they feel they're a position away from really advancing 0:12:36.240 --> 0:12:40.520 to that next level, and they're looking at say they're 0:12:40.520 --> 0:12:44.040 picking number fifteen overall, and a guy that they have 0:12:44.280 --> 0:12:49.439 ranked as the twenty twenty fifth best player is at 0:12:49.480 --> 0:12:53.199 the position of need, but they'd also be passing on five, six, 0:12:53.320 --> 0:12:55.640 seven guys they have ranked ahead of him. Sure, but 0:12:55.760 --> 0:12:58.920 they ranked that guy at twenty five as a starter, 0:12:59.120 --> 0:13:01.280 a guy that it can be a reliable guy for 0:13:01.360 --> 0:13:04.439 your team. Do you do you pass on some of 0:13:04.480 --> 0:13:06.920 the better talent to go get that need at that 0:13:07.000 --> 0:13:08.400 one position you feel is going to take you to 0:13:08.480 --> 0:13:11.920 the top, Because listen, your car could have some engine 0:13:11.960 --> 0:13:14.880 trouble and you could buy a flashy new CD player. 0:13:15.240 --> 0:13:17.480 It's not gonna make a difference. Noah, this is I'm 0:13:17.520 --> 0:13:19.319 glad you said this thing because we can tie this 0:13:19.520 --> 0:13:23.280 end really well, because there is a sizeable subsect of 0:13:23.320 --> 0:13:26.400 the Cowboys fan base that feels the Cowboys are a 0:13:26.559 --> 0:13:29.679 good like a genuinely good pass rusher away from being 0:13:29.720 --> 0:13:32.719 a Super Bowl contender. Yeah, twenty eight. It's all the 0:13:32.800 --> 0:13:35.360 questions I ever get on Twitter. It's about It's about 0:13:35.480 --> 0:13:39.440 defensive end. Tell me that everybody's everybody's concerned if there's 0:13:39.480 --> 0:13:42.800 going to be a legitimate defensive end for them at 0:13:42.840 --> 0:13:45.079 twenty eight. Sure, and so it's not about the other 0:13:45.320 --> 0:13:48.160 It's not about the other positions. Nobody wants to hear 0:13:48.200 --> 0:13:51.720 about the tight end. Nobody really wants to hear about 0:13:51.760 --> 0:13:55.520 the wide receiver, even cornerback. Most people even yeah, even 0:13:55.559 --> 0:13:59.559 the cornerback. But sitting at twenty eight and this, like 0:13:59.640 --> 0:14:01.439 I said, this ties into what we're talking about. Is 0:14:01.440 --> 0:14:04.440 it worth it to I mean, maybe not do whatever 0:14:04.520 --> 0:14:07.079 you have to do, but make a bold move to 0:14:07.160 --> 0:14:09.079 get higher up in the draft and get one of 0:14:09.120 --> 0:14:12.680 these guys. Seems like people remember what happened with Mo Claiborne. 0:14:12.920 --> 0:14:15.480 That's very fresh in their mind of giving up. You know, 0:14:15.559 --> 0:14:18.640 they send they talk about the Seattle linebacker, the you know, 0:14:18.720 --> 0:14:22.320 the middle linebacker, Wagner. Yeah, that they could have had. Yeah, 0:14:22.480 --> 0:14:24.600 you know, everybody, everybody you know. And when it when 0:14:24.640 --> 0:14:27.560 it works, it's great. When it doesn't work, it's like, 0:14:27.760 --> 0:14:30.400 why did you do that? Why did you? You know? 0:14:30.680 --> 0:14:33.040 And this is this is the point Number two. Your 0:14:33.120 --> 0:14:38.120 missus are magnified as you focus on so narrow from 0:14:38.200 --> 0:14:41.680 positions one to three that you ignore other players with 0:14:41.800 --> 0:14:44.480 star potential. That's what Dane was talking about. And I think, 0:14:44.640 --> 0:14:47.560 and justin as a general statement, I think it's a 0:14:47.640 --> 0:14:50.200 mistake to ever think you're one player away from anything. 0:14:50.440 --> 0:14:53.520 It's not the way football works. I mean, you know, 0:14:53.720 --> 0:14:57.680 Dak Prescott could fumble the snap on the crucial play 0:14:57.720 --> 0:14:59.680 and you you had a great pass rush, but you 0:14:59.720 --> 0:15:02.080 still lost the game. I mean, that's not that's not 0:15:02.160 --> 0:15:04.080 the way football works. To think that that is going 0:15:04.120 --> 0:15:06.400 to cement your status as a super Bowl team or 0:15:06.440 --> 0:15:08.800 what happens if Doz goes down? Sure, I mean you 0:15:08.840 --> 0:15:11.920 know who's dack throwing too? Yeah, I would wag rather. 0:15:12.120 --> 0:15:14.360 And that's I don't like trading away picks again as 0:15:14.400 --> 0:15:17.360 a general statement, because I like to have you know, 0:15:17.440 --> 0:15:20.360 it's like a shotgun, you just scatter shot. He has 0:15:20.400 --> 0:15:22.760 many chances the wide pattern give me as many chances 0:15:22.800 --> 0:15:25.200 to hit on something as I can, instead of focusing 0:15:25.280 --> 0:15:27.480 on one guy and putting all the pressure on him 0:15:27.480 --> 0:15:28.960 to be the guy. We've seen this team have a 0:15:29.000 --> 0:15:32.880 bunch of picks in draft poorly though, twelve picks one year, 0:15:32.920 --> 0:15:35.000 when the two thousand and nine yeah the way okay, 0:15:35.160 --> 0:15:38.280 But Philip's administration, and this is a different administration that 0:15:38.360 --> 0:15:40.160 I think deserves the benefit of the doubt. I mean 0:15:40.240 --> 0:15:43.000 just because some different people, Oh sure that. Oh no, 0:15:43.080 --> 0:15:45.560 we Hey I jacked up a draft or two here. Yeah, 0:15:45.560 --> 0:15:47.200 I mean I was part of a staff. It wasn't 0:15:47.280 --> 0:15:50.360 very good. Hey, we set this team back. I mean, 0:15:50.440 --> 0:15:53.160 Parcels came in and picked up the pieces, and you know, 0:15:53.240 --> 0:15:54.840 and when we got in the playoffs with the guys 0:15:54.880 --> 0:15:57.600 we had. But still, you can't mess up the draft, 0:15:58.000 --> 0:15:59.520 and if you do it two or three years in 0:15:59.600 --> 0:16:03.600 a row, you deserve to get fired. Listening to Belichick 0:16:04.800 --> 0:16:07.080 just after the Super Bowl win, he's talking about how 0:16:07.160 --> 0:16:10.480 they're already five weeks behind, weeks behind, and he talks 0:16:10.520 --> 0:16:12.760 about how you know, the All Star Games are over 0:16:13.000 --> 0:16:15.840 and you know they so they feel behind, and if 0:16:15.920 --> 0:16:20.880 you don't do a good enough job in January, February, March, April, 0:16:21.480 --> 0:16:23.680 then that's you're gonna be able to tell late in 0:16:23.760 --> 0:16:26.000 the year. And so that's something that will carry over 0:16:26.080 --> 0:16:29.360 and be able to translate. So just the fact that 0:16:29.600 --> 0:16:32.200 you know what Belichick, the way he views the offseason 0:16:32.240 --> 0:16:35.320 and how important it is the scouting, the evaluation, that 0:16:35.480 --> 0:16:37.600 tells you everything you need to know about why the 0:16:37.680 --> 0:16:41.280 Patriots are perennial winners. It's ironic because he just finished 0:16:41.320 --> 0:16:43.560 winning a Super Bowl without the benefit of a first 0:16:43.640 --> 0:16:47.120 round pick to bolster his roster. But I mean his 0:16:47.240 --> 0:16:49.280 point is well made. To quote right Garrett Well, and 0:16:49.640 --> 0:16:52.320 you know it's their ability to find the Malcolm Butlers 0:16:52.480 --> 0:16:55.720 and the Jackian Edelman's. Yeah, you know, it's I think 0:16:55.760 --> 0:16:59.080 a lot of Tom Brady luck into that. I mean 0:16:59.120 --> 0:17:01.040 so many people folk was on the first round, maybe 0:17:01.080 --> 0:17:04.320 the second round, but the full draft is what matters. 0:17:04.320 --> 0:17:06.520 To be able to evaluate and find these guys, to 0:17:06.600 --> 0:17:09.119 find the Anthony Browns, uh, you know, to find these 0:17:09.160 --> 0:17:12.119 guys that are gonna be Day three picks. You know 0:17:12.359 --> 0:17:15.160 that that certain quarterback named mister Prescott, You know guys 0:17:15.200 --> 0:17:16.600 that you know, whether you want to call it luck 0:17:16.720 --> 0:17:19.440 or not, the evaluation process is being done now. He 0:17:19.600 --> 0:17:21.720 was on a board. Yeah exactly. Somebody sat down and 0:17:21.840 --> 0:17:24.720 evaluated that player, right, and so if it's some leg 0:17:24.800 --> 0:17:27.280 work that went into that, a lot of leg world. Absolutely, 0:17:27.320 --> 0:17:28.920 And so if it ends up being the pick and 0:17:29.000 --> 0:17:31.080 it ends up panning out, well then you have to 0:17:31.080 --> 0:17:32.920 point to the work that was done right now as 0:17:32.960 --> 0:17:36.480 to why that worked. Yeah. I don't like to say, 0:17:36.520 --> 0:17:39.439 I think to me, you know the draft, I mean, 0:17:39.520 --> 0:17:42.440 you just don't know. Hey, you know they always say, 0:17:42.480 --> 0:17:44.840 you know, they always come on the these our programs 0:17:44.880 --> 0:17:46.480 when we're sitting here on draft day and they always 0:17:46.520 --> 0:17:49.600 say Day three is the day of the scouts. It's 0:17:49.680 --> 0:17:52.960 scouts day, Nerds day. Yeah, it's the day that you know, 0:17:53.119 --> 0:17:55.600 but you know, to be honest with you, the whole 0:17:55.720 --> 0:17:58.600 draft is the scouts day. The hardest the hardest thing 0:17:58.760 --> 0:18:02.160 is building the board. The easiest thing is drafting the players. 0:18:02.320 --> 0:18:05.320 If you've done the board right, that's the that's the 0:18:05.480 --> 0:18:08.800 that's the real that's the grind. For me, if I 0:18:08.960 --> 0:18:11.159 was if I was sitting in a war, right, to me, 0:18:11.359 --> 0:18:13.960 the board was more important where we had the guys. 0:18:13.960 --> 0:18:16.399 I would say about don't window dress and stuff like that, 0:18:17.240 --> 0:18:20.159 but that the grind of putting the board together. The 0:18:20.320 --> 0:18:23.080 drafting was easy if you did it right. That's I say. Again, 0:18:23.320 --> 0:18:25.560 I'm not gonna sit here, and I mean so much, 0:18:25.760 --> 0:18:28.320 so much luck went into the Dak Prescott situation and 0:18:28.400 --> 0:18:30.520 I would never know some preparation, but no, and then 0:18:30.520 --> 0:18:32.520 that's what I'm gonna say. I mean, one guy loved 0:18:32.560 --> 0:18:34.840 Tom Brady. Sure, and you have to you have to 0:18:34.880 --> 0:18:36.600 get lucky in a situation like that. We know the 0:18:36.680 --> 0:18:39.240 Cowboys made a run at two or three other quarterbacks. 0:18:39.280 --> 0:18:41.879 It's not like they were fixated on no, absolutely, but 0:18:42.800 --> 0:18:45.159 how much work did they spend on the quarterback position? 0:18:45.240 --> 0:18:47.280 All through the spring. How much time did we spend 0:18:47.359 --> 0:18:49.359 talking about all the different things? I mean, yeah, I 0:18:49.400 --> 0:18:51.920 mean they were ready. They were ready, and when you know, 0:18:52.040 --> 0:18:53.600 they tried a couple of things, it didn't work out, 0:18:53.640 --> 0:18:55.720 and then they felt fine pulling the trigger on Dack. 0:18:55.840 --> 0:18:59.680 Obviously it worked above and beyond all expectations. But that's 0:19:00.000 --> 0:19:03.560 that's why you do the work right. Absolutely. Last point 0:19:03.640 --> 0:19:06.320 here is by doing this is the once again we're 0:19:06.320 --> 0:19:10.000 talking about need based stuff or best available player. You 0:19:10.200 --> 0:19:15.480 limit your trade options and you limit your flexibility. When 0:19:15.560 --> 0:19:19.080 you start thinking about honing in on need, you limit 0:19:19.240 --> 0:19:21.720 Maybe somebody wants to offer you something, but you're so 0:19:21.960 --> 0:19:25.000 focused on we've got to get this guy, and it 0:19:25.200 --> 0:19:27.480 limits where you can move in the draft or what 0:19:27.600 --> 0:19:30.680 you can do. The only and I think that's true, 0:19:30.720 --> 0:19:33.280 and the only I mean it has it would have 0:19:33.359 --> 0:19:35.200 to be for a slam dunk quarterback. I think for 0:19:35.280 --> 0:19:38.920 anybody to feel justified and fixating like that, you know, 0:19:39.119 --> 0:19:43.000 I get, for instance, the Eagles with wins or the 0:19:43.160 --> 0:19:45.120 Rams with God for that matter. I mean, if you're 0:19:45.440 --> 0:19:49.000 really confident that you're making a franchise altering decision, then 0:19:49.080 --> 0:19:51.000 I can see it. But otherwise as a spect I 0:19:51.040 --> 0:19:53.639 mean for a pass rusher when you're situated at the 0:19:53.680 --> 0:19:55.240 back end of the first round. I just don't think 0:19:55.240 --> 0:19:58.920 it makes a lot of sense. Yeah, it's the whole 0:19:58.960 --> 0:20:02.359 trade discussions. It's tough because there's a lot that goes 0:20:02.400 --> 0:20:04.800 into it. You know, what are you being offered, how 0:20:04.960 --> 0:20:08.600 far back are you moving? And if you're going to 0:20:08.680 --> 0:20:10.320 trade up, you know, what are you giving up? What 0:20:10.400 --> 0:20:12.520