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Speaker 1: writer from Dallas Cowboys dot Com. Gentlemen, Welcome back to
Speaker 1: another week of draft talk. Kind of quiet out there
Speaker 1: right now, isn't it. It's the calm before the combine storm. Yeah,
Speaker 1: we'll get into that too. About that combine, We're gonna
Speaker 1: have five shows from the combine starting Tuesday, well so
Speaker 1: through sad Day. So excited about that. They have a
Speaker 1: new format for us there, which will be interesting, how
Speaker 1: they how they coordinate everything, just from the media perspective.
Speaker 1: Gonna move us over in the convention center right right
Speaker 1: and so, and the schedules a little different, so we'll
Speaker 1: see how it works out. I feel like it's gonna
Speaker 1: be more accessible, less accessible, less. It's never good. Hopefully
Speaker 1: it'll be less crowded. Never thought that I would ever
Speaker 1: see the Combine on TV. By the way, when I'm
Speaker 1: sitting there in nineteen ninety two, it's such a secretive thing.
Speaker 1: What's blown up bigger the NFL Combine or National Signing Day? Like,
Speaker 1: what's a bigger deal as opposed to think the signing
Speaker 1: day has? It's either way, it's unreal. Yeah, I think
Speaker 1: signing Day's gotten big, combines huge too. I remember I
Speaker 1: was talking with Rick Goslin recently about this from the
Speaker 1: fine writer from Dallas Morning News. He was one of
Speaker 1: eight guys that used to cover the combine. Now we
Speaker 1: have what a couple of thousands maybe, yeah, credential media.
Speaker 1: Credential media guys like nine hundred last year. I think,
Speaker 1: oh really, may maybe I double the number. It's over
Speaker 1: a thousand this year. But it felt like it was
Speaker 1: a lot like that. Yeah, excited though excited. We'll talk
Speaker 1: about we get close to the combine. We'll talk about
Speaker 1: that today. A couple of different ways you can get
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Speaker 1: so if you're following at the Draft show, you can
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Speaker 1: just a really easy way to do it. Plus you
Speaker 1: get questions to us, you know, we like to monitor
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Speaker 1: helps David a lot and helps Dan and I as
Speaker 1: well to kind of get your questions answered. Shows about
Speaker 1: you know, trying to help you guys become better educated
Speaker 1: fans of the Draft. Another way is to call us
Speaker 1: at eight eight, eight, five, two, two nine seven numbers
Speaker 1: right there on the screen. So we'll take some calls
Speaker 1: today again, like to always try and interact with the fans.
Speaker 1: Want to get into a couple of different things if
Speaker 1: I could, gentleman, I think first I want to start
Speaker 1: off with, is draft need our best available player? The
Speaker 1: myth of that? Is it something you know? I want
Speaker 1: to I want your thoughts on that because I've I've
Speaker 1: lived in a couple of different ways, but I want
Speaker 1: to I want to minister what you guys have to
Speaker 1: say about that. BPA. Yeah, it's something that at least
Speaker 1: For me, it depends on the team, depends on you know,
Speaker 1: where the that team is in terms of are they
Speaker 1: ready to win now or they are they rebuilding? Where
Speaker 1: are they in their roster structure? That plays a part,
Speaker 1: And so it's not a blanket answer for every single team,
Speaker 1: but for the most part, it's almost always best player available,
Speaker 1: especially in the first round, especially top ten, top fifteen,
Speaker 1: top twenty. Your main goal when you have a when
Speaker 1: you don't make the playoffs and you're picking top twenty,
Speaker 1: your main goal should not be too you know, plug
Speaker 1: that that top need. It should be to help your
Speaker 1: roster with talent. I definitely want to get I totally
Speaker 1: agree with what you're saying here. I do, and I'm
Speaker 1: going to get into that. Got Twitter on the twenty
Speaker 1: as well, Like we talked about, and then we got
Speaker 1: our last segment. It's gonna be Draft show, shopping list
Speaker 1: and Dave him and the way we're gonna play this
Speaker 1: is Dave Hellman is going to be the shopper and
Speaker 1: Dane Brugler and I are going to try and fill
Speaker 1: his basket full of players at certain positions and shopping spree. Yeah,
Speaker 1: it's a shopping spree. Shopping music queued up. Yeah, give
Speaker 1: me the shopping network music. Whatever we got there. You
Speaker 1: have a budget to work with. It's gonna go down
Speaker 1: the aisland. Yeah, Yeah, you're gonna go down. You're gonna
Speaker 1: go down the aisland. You're gonna You're gonna ask us
Speaker 1: some specific rounds questions players kind of Andre and Dane
Speaker 1: and I are going to try and to fill up
Speaker 1: your basket for you. So that's what we got going today.
Speaker 1: And I want to and then so I want to
Speaker 1: start it with what Dane was exactly talking about. I'm
Speaker 1: gonna read a statement to you here and see if
Speaker 1: you guys agree at this at all. The smartest NFL
Speaker 1: general managers opt for best available player overneed, at least
Speaker 1: in the draft's first three rounds. This leads to a
Speaker 1: leads to an overall higher level of talent of the
Speaker 1: for the roster. Teams like Seattle, you know often mentions
Speaker 1: having deep rosters employed this draft philosophy. I can live
Speaker 1: with that philosophy because the guy who's the general manager Seattle,
Speaker 1: John Snyder, was in Green Bay. Another guy you could
Speaker 1: talk about back in the day that used to do
Speaker 1: this and now does it at Washington. Scott mccluan, and
Speaker 1: he was when he was at San Francisco. We always
Speaker 1: thought about San Francisco having a very deep and talented roster.
Speaker 1: What are your thoughts on that first three rounds? I
Speaker 1: think that makes sense. And I think for something something
Speaker 1: people need to remember is that draft boards on for
Speaker 1: NFL teams they're not three hundred deep, you know, and
Speaker 1: they don't They're not going to all look the same.
Speaker 1: And so if a player or if a team takes
Speaker 1: a certain player in the second round that maybe we
Speaker 1: all thought would be a fourth round pick. I'm sorry,
Speaker 1: the diamonds on your ring, it just blinding me right now.
Speaker 1: Just world champion, Yeah, and brought us dievery. I just
Speaker 1: remind myself at one time in my life I was
Speaker 1: a winner. Yeah, flashing that around. No, I'm sorry, I
Speaker 1: just I just wore it today. My bad. But no,
Speaker 1: I think, uh, you know, so if a team has
Speaker 1: one hundred and fifty hundred and eighty names on a
Speaker 1: draft board, you know it's gonna look drastically different when
Speaker 1: they take player a who in the second round, who
Speaker 1: we thought maybe as a fourth round pick, but on
Speaker 1: their board, that was the best available player. And I
Speaker 1: think it's true that a lot of the most successful
Speaker 1: teams they don't reach for need um. You know, Quarterbacks
Speaker 1: a little different, you know, I don't think you can
Speaker 1: necessarily rank quarterbacks on your overall big board, just because
Speaker 1: it's a little bit of a different animal. But value
Speaker 1: is a factor too, And if you really like a player,
Speaker 1: you have to factor in what's his value. If you
Speaker 1: want him, you have to get him, you know here,
Speaker 1: And if you really like Christian McCaffrey, you might have
Speaker 1: to and you have an early second round pick, you
Speaker 1: might have to trade up into the back end of
Speaker 1: round one, So value you need, it's all part of
Speaker 1: the same equation. But I don't know how how do
Speaker 1: you feel about it? I kind of I like that though.
Speaker 1: I like what you're saying, and I think that and
Speaker 1: that's why I like where you talk about the first
Speaker 1: three rounds. But there's other there's other means. Go ahead, David,
Speaker 1: I'll let you have your say it is. I'll yeah,
Speaker 1: let me be real for a second, because I feel
Speaker 1: somewhat strongly about this, which it's a great philosophy and
Speaker 1: it should be the philosophy that all NFL teams abide by.
Speaker 1: But I think that's a lot of lip service in
Speaker 1: a lot of cases, because at the end of the day,
Speaker 1: you're a bad draft or a bad season away from
Speaker 1: everybody losing their job. And I don't think that's true.
Speaker 1: I don't think you can separate that fact a good point.
Speaker 1: And so you look, you go back and you mentioned
Speaker 1: John Schneider, you mentioned the Seattle Seahawks. There's there's maybe
Speaker 1: like five or six teams in the NFL that I
Speaker 1: think you can truly count on to follow that strategy
Speaker 1: year in and year out. And it's not a coincidence
Speaker 1: that they're all highly successful teams, playoff teams, playoff teams,
Speaker 1: championship teams. The Patriots do it, the Packers do it,
Speaker 1: the Seahawks do it. Who else I'll go, But I mean,
Speaker 1: I'll tell you something happened. Cowboys are starting to do it.
Speaker 1: I mean you can sort of you can give them credit,
Speaker 1: especially at the top of the draft. You can give
Speaker 1: them credit. You think about obviously their first round picks,
Speaker 1: but even picks like a Chaz Green maybe not necessarily
Speaker 1: a guy that you needed, but you know, sitting there
Speaker 1: at ninety two. So I think they can get some
Speaker 1: credit for that. But I think at the end of
Speaker 1: the day, I mean, why do and Dane's right quarterbacks
Speaker 1: a little bit different? But why do Blaine Gabberts and
Speaker 1: Christian Ponders and EJ. Manuals go where they go. It's
Speaker 1: because at the end of the day, you can't separate
Speaker 1: the fact that you got to you gotta do something
Speaker 1: to get wins. And I think eventually that permeates everybody's
Speaker 1: draft strategy eventually, except for maybe Bill Belichick because he's
Speaker 1: about the only guy in the league that's got unassailable
Speaker 1: job security. Yeah, and they talk about Belichick. In twenty thirteen,
Speaker 1: everybody was yelling at New England had to fix their
Speaker 1: defensive line and running back problems. Rounds two three, they
Speaker 1: didn't have a first round pick. They saw him take
Speaker 1: defensive back and wide receiver. Why because Belichick wanted Jamie Collins,
Speaker 1: Aaron Dobson, and Logan Ryan the players, not the position
Speaker 1: they played. There's something to that. You still got the
Speaker 1: Cowboys twenty fourteen, everybody said Jerry Jones was nuts for
Speaker 1: cutting some of his more expensive defensive pieces and leaving
Speaker 1: a shell of a unit to take the field. The
Speaker 1: first round pick of that draft was guard Zach Martin,
Speaker 1: three time pro bowler. You know, yeah, you know, so
Speaker 1: what it looks like he was leaving completely his defense
Speaker 1: to be an apt you know, he picked the right guy.
Speaker 1: You could argue that in his defense is still somewhat
Speaker 1: unapped though, Yeah, maybe he needs to pick maybe he
Speaker 1: needs to But how about this one. How about on
Speaker 1: the opposite end, how about what Tom Demittroff did to
Speaker 1: go get Julio Jones. Yeah, which is is that considered
Speaker 1: best available players, that considered going and getting a need
Speaker 1: and see that's and that's that's a great you know
Speaker 1: kind of I mean, if you see me, I have
Speaker 1: a chance to get Julio Jones, right but and seeing
Speaker 1: that that helps I would argue now, right now, but
Speaker 1: what about the you know how many years it took
Speaker 1: them to get to this level with the draft picks
Speaker 1: that they lost to get Julio Jones, that they couldn't
Speaker 1: build help build the roster, you know. So it's it's
Speaker 1: a double edged sword, yes to this point. I mean,
Speaker 1: Julio Jones obviously is arguably the top receiver in the game,
Speaker 1: and he helps change your offense. But there's a reason
Speaker 1: the Falcons haven't won since, not until really until this
Speaker 1: year in terms of making it advancing as far as
Speaker 1: they did. And a big part of that is losing
Speaker 1: the draft picks that they had to lose to get
Speaker 1: Julio Jones, losing depth on that team. And so it's
Speaker 1: something that is a double edged sword. And we could
Speaker 1: debate whether or not that was the right move or
Speaker 1: whether or not you know, that's something that team should
Speaker 1: really should really do. That's a big gamble. And to you,
Speaker 1: I mean, I know he's your buddy, no disrespect. You
Speaker 1: can say whatever you want. While the Falcons were waiting
Speaker 1: to reach that level of success, Thomas Dimitrov lost some
Speaker 1: of his standing in the organization. Absolutely took a demotion. Absolutely,
Speaker 1: So I mean, you know, you can repaint and you
Speaker 1: can use your revisionist history all you want, but it's
Speaker 1: not like it was this steady building block toward a
Speaker 1: super You asked that trade you as Dan Quinn, he
Speaker 1: probably says, absolutely is the right move. You asked Mike Smith,
Speaker 1: who was the head coach, He probably says, I didn't
Speaker 1: like that so much. See if you agree with this,
Speaker 1: when you draft with when you draft thinking about need based,
Speaker 1: you will always pass up more talented players in the
Speaker 1: name of short term fixes. I mean yeah, in in
Speaker 1: in general when you're drafting for me, and I think
Speaker 1: that's true. And that's that goes back to my point
Speaker 1: is you know, you draft a quarterback that I think
Speaker 1: objectively everybody would agree has no business going where he goes.
Speaker 1: But that's such an important position that if it were
Speaker 1: out it's people will tell you it's worth their risk.
Speaker 1: But in most circumstances, you know, those guys that those
Speaker 1: first round quarterback picks that go outside, you know, they're
Speaker 1: not slam dunk guys like it very rarely works out
Speaker 1: the way that people want it to when you drafted
Speaker 1: an ej. Manuel sixteenth overall, But in some sense you
Speaker 1: almost have to do it because that's the best way
Speaker 1: to save your chop status going forward. As if you
Speaker 1: hit on a pick like that, and it's I'm gonna
Speaker 1: play Devil's advocate here, because if a team is let's
Speaker 1: say they feel they're a position away from really advancing
Speaker 1: to that next level, and they're looking at say they're
Speaker 1: picking number fifteen overall, and a guy that they have
Speaker 1: ranked as the twenty twenty fifth best player is at
Speaker 1: the position of need, but they'd also be passing on five, six,
Speaker 1: seven guys they have ranked ahead of him. Sure, but
Speaker 1: they ranked that guy at twenty five as a starter,
Speaker 1: a guy that it can be a reliable guy for
Speaker 1: your team. Do you do you pass on some of
Speaker 1: the better talent to go get that need at that
Speaker 1: one position you feel is going to take you to
Speaker 1: the top, Because listen, your car could have some engine
Speaker 1: trouble and you could buy a flashy new CD player.
Speaker 1: It's not gonna make a difference. Noah, this is I'm
Speaker 1: glad you said this thing because we can tie this
Speaker 1: end really well, because there is a sizeable subsect of
Speaker 1: the Cowboys fan base that feels the Cowboys are a
Speaker 1: good like a genuinely good pass rusher away from being
Speaker 1: a Super Bowl contender. Yeah, twenty eight. It's all the
Speaker 1: questions I ever get on Twitter. It's about It's about
Speaker 1: defensive end. Tell me that everybody's everybody's concerned if there's
Speaker 1: going to be a legitimate defensive end for them at
Speaker 1: twenty eight. Sure, and so it's not about the other
Speaker 1: It's not about the other positions. Nobody wants to hear
Speaker 1: about the tight end. Nobody really wants to hear about
Speaker 1: the wide receiver, even cornerback. Most people even yeah, even
Speaker 1: the cornerback. But sitting at twenty eight and this, like
Speaker 1: I said, this ties into what we're talking about. Is
Speaker 1: it worth it to I mean, maybe not do whatever
Speaker 1: you have to do, but make a bold move to
Speaker 1: get higher up in the draft and get one of
Speaker 1: these guys. Seems like people remember what happened with Mo Claiborne.
Speaker 1: That's very fresh in their mind of giving up. You know,
Speaker 1: they send they talk about the Seattle linebacker, the you know,
Speaker 1: the middle linebacker, Wagner. Yeah, that they could have had. Yeah,
Speaker 1: you know, everybody, everybody you know. And when it when
Speaker 1: it works, it's great. When it doesn't work, it's like,
Speaker 1: why did you do that? Why did you? You know?
Speaker 1: And this is this is the point Number two. Your
Speaker 1: missus are magnified as you focus on so narrow from
Speaker 1: positions one to three that you ignore other players with
Speaker 1: star potential. That's what Dane was talking about. And I think,
Speaker 1: and justin as a general statement, I think it's a
Speaker 1: mistake to ever think you're one player away from anything.
Speaker 1: It's not the way football works. I mean, you know,
Speaker 1: Dak Prescott could fumble the snap on the crucial play
Speaker 1: and you you had a great pass rush, but you
Speaker 1: still lost the game. I mean, that's not that's not
Speaker 1: the way football works. To think that that is going
Speaker 1: to cement your status as a super Bowl team or
Speaker 1: what happens if Doz goes down? Sure, I mean you
Speaker 1: know who's dack throwing too? Yeah, I would wag rather.
Speaker 1: And that's I don't like trading away picks again as
Speaker 1: a general statement, because I like to have you know,
Speaker 1: it's like a shotgun, you just scatter shot. He has
Speaker 1: many chances the wide pattern give me as many chances
Speaker 1: to hit on something as I can, instead of focusing
Speaker 1: on one guy and putting all the pressure on him
Speaker 1: to be the guy. We've seen this team have a
Speaker 1: bunch of picks in draft poorly though, twelve picks one year,
Speaker 1: when the two thousand and nine yeah the way okay,
Speaker 1: But Philip's administration, and this is a different administration that
Speaker 1: I think deserves the benefit of the doubt. I mean
Speaker 1: just because some different people, Oh sure that. Oh no,
Speaker 1: we Hey I jacked up a draft or two here. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I mean I was part of a staff. It wasn't
Speaker 1: very good. Hey, we set this team back. I mean,
Speaker 1: Parcels came in and picked up the pieces, and you know,
Speaker 1: and when we got in the playoffs with the guys
Speaker 1: we had. But still, you can't mess up the draft,
Speaker 1: and if you do it two or three years in
Speaker 1: a row, you deserve to get fired. Listening to Belichick
Speaker 1: just after the Super Bowl win, he's talking about how
Speaker 1: they're already five weeks behind, weeks behind, and he talks
Speaker 1: about how you know, the All Star Games are over
Speaker 1: and you know they so they feel behind, and if
Speaker 1: you don't do a good enough job in January, February, March, April,
Speaker 1: then that's you're gonna be able to tell late in
Speaker 1: the year. And so that's something that will carry over
Speaker 1: and be able to translate. So just the fact that
Speaker 1: you know what Belichick, the way he views the offseason
Speaker 1: and how important it is the scouting, the evaluation, that
Speaker 1: tells you everything you need to know about why the
Speaker 1: Patriots are perennial winners. It's ironic because he just finished
Speaker 1: winning a Super Bowl without the benefit of a first
Speaker 1: round pick to bolster his roster. But I mean his
Speaker 1: point is well made. To quote right Garrett Well, and
Speaker 1: you know it's their ability to find the Malcolm Butlers
Speaker 1: and the Jackian Edelman's. Yeah, you know, it's I think
Speaker 1: a lot of Tom Brady luck into that. I mean
Speaker 1: so many people folk was on the first round, maybe
Speaker 1: the second round, but the full draft is what matters.
Speaker 1: To be able to evaluate and find these guys, to
Speaker 1: find the Anthony Browns, uh, you know, to find these
Speaker 1: guys that are gonna be Day three picks. You know
Speaker 1: that that certain quarterback named mister Prescott, You know guys
Speaker 1: that you know, whether you want to call it luck
Speaker 1: or not, the evaluation process is being done now. He
Speaker 1: was on a board. Yeah exactly. Somebody sat down and
Speaker 1: evaluated that player, right, and so if it's some leg
Speaker 1: work that went into that, a lot of leg world. Absolutely,
Speaker 1: And so if it ends up being the pick and
Speaker 1: it ends up panning out, well then you have to
Speaker 1: point to the work that was done right now as
Speaker 1: to why that worked. Yeah. I don't like to say,
Speaker 1: I think to me, you know the draft, I mean,
Speaker 1: you just don't know. Hey, you know they always say,
Speaker 1: you know, they always come on the these our programs
Speaker 1: when we're sitting here on draft day and they always
Speaker 1: say Day three is the day of the scouts. It's
Speaker 1: scouts day, Nerds day. Yeah, it's the day that you know,
Speaker 1: but you know, to be honest with you, the whole
Speaker 1: draft is the scouts day. The hardest the hardest thing
Speaker 1: is building the board. The easiest thing is drafting the players.
Speaker 1: If you've done the board right, that's the that's the
Speaker 1: that's the real that's the grind. For me, if I
Speaker 1: was if I was sitting in a war, right, to me,
Speaker 1: the board was more important where we had the guys.
Speaker 1: I would say about don't window dress and stuff like that,
Speaker 1: but that the grind of putting the board together. The
Speaker 1: drafting was easy if you did it right. That's I say. Again,
Speaker 1: I'm not gonna sit here, and I mean so much,
Speaker 1: so much luck went into the Dak Prescott situation and
Speaker 1: I would never know some preparation, but no, and then
Speaker 1: that's what I'm gonna say. I mean, one guy loved
Speaker 1: Tom Brady. Sure, and you have to you have to
Speaker 1: get lucky in a situation like that. We know the
Speaker 1: Cowboys made a run at two or three other quarterbacks.
Speaker 1: It's not like they were fixated on no, absolutely, but
Speaker 1: how much work did they spend on the quarterback position?
Speaker 1: All through the spring. How much time did we spend
Speaker 1: talking about all the different things? I mean, yeah, I
Speaker 1: mean they were ready. They were ready, and when you know,
Speaker 1: they tried a couple of things, it didn't work out,
Speaker 1: and then they felt fine pulling the trigger on Dack.
Speaker 1: Obviously it worked above and beyond all expectations. But that's
Speaker 1: that's why you do the work right. Absolutely. Last point
Speaker 1: here is by doing this is the once again we're
Speaker 1: talking about need based stuff or best available player. You
Speaker 1: limit your trade options and you limit your flexibility. When
Speaker 1: you start thinking about honing in on need, you limit
Speaker 1: Maybe somebody wants to offer you something, but you're so
Speaker 1: focused on we've got to get this guy, and it
Speaker 1: limits where you can move in the draft or what
Speaker 1: you can do. The only and I think that's true,
Speaker 1: and the only I mean it has it would have
Speaker 1: to be for a slam dunk quarterback. I think for
Speaker 1: anybody to feel justified and fixating like that, you know,
Speaker 1: I get, for instance, the Eagles with wins or the
Speaker 1: Rams with God for that matter. I mean, if you're
Speaker 1: really confident that you're making a franchise altering decision, then
Speaker 1: I can see it. But otherwise as a spect I
Speaker 1: mean for a pass rusher when you're situated at the
Speaker 1: back end of the first round. I just don't think
Speaker 1: it makes a lot of sense. Yeah, it's the whole
Speaker 1: trade discussions. It's tough because there's a lot that goes
Speaker 1: into it. You know, what are you being offered, how
Speaker 1: far back are you moving? And if you're going to
Speaker 1: trade up, you know, what are you giving up? What
Speaker 1: kind of assets are you going to put towards that?
Speaker 1: So the whole trade conversation is something that I don't know.
Speaker 1: It depends on the details of the trade and the
Speaker 1: positioning where you are, what you're looking to get, what's
Speaker 1: your goal? You know, what's your board? Are your who's
Speaker 1: available before you at twenty eight? Is it similar to
Speaker 1: who's going to be available before you at the same player? Yeah,
Speaker 1: you know, and so all that factors in. But I
Speaker 1: think the overall point is valid. Yeah, I do too.
Speaker 1: It's always a fascinating thing to listen to teams talk
Speaker 1: about need over best available player. Okay, we're gonna take
Speaker 1: our first break when we come back. We need you
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Speaker 1: you've got some questions, make sure you fire them here
Speaker 1: to us so David can get him. We'll do as
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Speaker 1: All right, it's time for one of my favorite things.
Speaker 1: Thank you ed Ka Hill for coming up with this
Speaker 1: such a long time ago. It is Twitter on the
Speaker 1: Twitter League. We're gonna get after it, get after it.
Speaker 1: Here we go. I'm gonna put you on the spot
Speaker 1: right away. And maybe this is better for the combine
Speaker 1: or afterward, but Jay wants to he wants a better
Speaker 1: idea because we've kind of hinted at it. A lot
Speaker 1: of people have Tim Williams and his baggage. What's going
Speaker 1: on here, He's got a lot of it, and you know,
Speaker 1: I think that's the combine will be important for him
Speaker 1: during the interview process. And he didn't go to the
Speaker 1: Senior Bowl. He decided not to, so he didn't get
Speaker 1: a chance to meet with teams there. So when he
Speaker 1: gets a chance to sit down during you know, the
Speaker 1: speed dating, that is the combine interviews. It's there's not
Speaker 1: gonna be a hey, how you doing kind of thing.
Speaker 1: It's gonna be hey, why are you in the doghouse
Speaker 1: so much? Yeah? Why? You know? Why did you know
Speaker 1: coach Saban take you off the field? Why? Uh? You know?
Speaker 1: It was this off field incident about you know what
Speaker 1: about these rumors? Is this something that we have to
Speaker 1: worry about? And there's gonna be a lot thrown at him,
Speaker 1: and he needs to be ready for it. He needs
Speaker 1: to be ready with the right answers, and he has
Speaker 1: to be convincing because he has, in my opinion, top ten,
Speaker 1: top fifteen talent, no doubt about that. Next to Miles Garrett,
Speaker 1: he's my next best draft, next best rusher. He's so
Speaker 1: fast and so fun to watch, is he? It sounds
Speaker 1: like we're talking about another Randy Gregory? I mean, is
Speaker 1: it on that level? I think it's actually I don't
Speaker 1: think we know yet. Yeah, but I was told the
Speaker 1: more you dig, the more you find, the more you
Speaker 1: get scared. Right, absolutely. But you know, if he interviews, well, yeah,
Speaker 1: maybe he can convince. All it takes is one team.
Speaker 1: So oh yeah, I don't think we really have a
Speaker 1: good idea yet of how serious? I mean, we know
Speaker 1: it's serious, but just how serious? Could it drop him
Speaker 1: out of the first round? Could it drop him out
Speaker 1: of you know, the top fifty? How far will this
Speaker 1: knock him down? Right now? In my mock draft, I
Speaker 1: have him going to number thirty two and the Patriots
Speaker 1: picking up a pretty good player. So you go, rich
Speaker 1: get richer there, you go get a rusher. Shameless plug
Speaker 1: for Day, by the way, what his mock draft saying
Speaker 1: that that way the relationship between Saban and Belichick, don't
Speaker 1: discount that right at all, don't. I mean, that is
Speaker 1: one of those he will have the folder on this kid. Yeah,
Speaker 1: the coach Garrett here, you know, I'll have the folder too. Yeah,
Speaker 1: they will too. But I think that that was one
Speaker 1: of the things I wrote about in my reasoning for
Speaker 1: that pick is Belichick will have all the information needed
Speaker 1: for that pick. Strong GM strong coach. When you look
Speaker 1: for bridge over troubled water guys, that's where these guys
Speaker 1: end up, and they usually they work out for these teams.
Speaker 1: Shameless plug for Dane's CBS Sports mock draft, which we
Speaker 1: just mentioned, Drever says, I saw that Dane mocked Carl Lawson,
Speaker 1: the Auburn pass rusher to Dallas. What's his fit? Is
Speaker 1: he left end? I think he's a right end. I
Speaker 1: think he's you know, Brandon Graham with the Eagles, that
Speaker 1: type of rusher. A guy who might not be the
Speaker 1: most physically explosive player, but the way he uses his
Speaker 1: lower body, he uses his upper body, his relentless nature,
Speaker 1: the way he can break down the rhythm of blockers,
Speaker 1: I think you have a very good player here. Yeah.
Speaker 1: I don't disagree at all. I'm a matter of fact
Speaker 1: that it seems to be that everybody has kind of
Speaker 1: got tack. And then they've got Harris mentioned in there
Speaker 1: from Missouri, and then by the way, hearing some whispers
Speaker 1: that Harris is a Rod Marinelli kind of guy. Oh yeah,
Speaker 1: explain that a little bit well at the quick twitch
Speaker 1: stuff and all that, you know, at that first first, Yeah,
Speaker 1: the great thing about being here at the Stars you
Speaker 1: get to kind of be at lunch with people and
Speaker 1: stuff like that. So that they said keep an eye
Speaker 1: on that at Harris guy. He is an early mock
Speaker 1: draft darling to the Cowboys. And that's where and it
Speaker 1: might be too these Missouri guys have found a way
Speaker 1: to come in the league and play. Yeah, you know,
Speaker 1: and so, but just keep an eye on that one.
Speaker 1: I'm just again, that's that's having lunch with some guys
Speaker 1: and stuff like that and really seeing. But yeah, I
Speaker 1: think I agree with Dane. And I'm just looking through
Speaker 1: my notes right now because this guy plays at two
Speaker 1: point stance, he puts his hand on the ground. I
Speaker 1: saw a guy that can hold the point of attack,
Speaker 1: strong with his hands, quick to get out so you
Speaker 1: can finish. You know, those are the things breakdown blockers
Speaker 1: with his movement. You know, I didn't. I didn't see
Speaker 1: a guy got knocked back hard to stop on the
Speaker 1: inside charge. He's I mean, there's physically physically an impressive player.
Speaker 1: His dad is like a physical trainer. So as a
Speaker 1: senior in high school, yeah, he looked like an NFL
Speaker 1: player physically developed. That's why you bring Dane on the show.
Speaker 1: He knows stuff like oh no, he knows a lot
Speaker 1: of stuff, and I think the combine will be big
Speaker 1: for loss. And just with the medicals. He missed almost
Speaker 1: all of two fourteen, or all of two and fourteen
Speaker 1: with an ACL right then almost all of twenty fifteen
Speaker 1: with a cracked hip, So what the medicals come back
Speaker 1: at the combine would be important? And see yeah, and
Speaker 1: also they can I saw where they kicked him down
Speaker 1: inside and played some some nickel tackle three techniques, soaps
Speaker 1: what I like to hear. Yeah, that's that's one of
Speaker 1: those things when again you're talking about Marinelli and those guys,
Speaker 1: they look for the guy that could play in the rotation.
Speaker 1: How many different spots can you play? Can you play
Speaker 1: left right, which we're trying to determine, and can you
Speaker 1: play some nickel tackle? Those are all positive things, preferably
Speaker 1: All yeah, all right, this one's fun. I want to
Speaker 1: kind of put y'all on the spot. Johnny wants to know.
Speaker 1: He said, are there any Travis Frederick like prospects? And
Speaker 1: I take that to mean, you know, a guy that's
Speaker 1: really not getting a lot of love as the top
Speaker 1: of the draft guy, but not only might he go
Speaker 1: there but actually be really good? Anybody that kind of
Speaker 1: fits that description? Well brought us What about that UCLA
Speaker 1: corner baby and Moreau? Yeah you like him quite a bit. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I do like Fabing Moreau. And I'll tell you why.
Speaker 1: To me, he's in that mix and I and I
Speaker 1: even I even kind of compared him to another Pack
Speaker 1: twelve corner with Sidney Jones. I was trying to think
Speaker 1: of where I was gonna put Fabian Moreau. He's he's
Speaker 1: a guy UCLA corner that he's a yep. Receivers have
Speaker 1: a hard time getting away from him, they really do.
Speaker 1: And and when you play, when he plays off coverage,
Speaker 1: he's a he's a football intelligence. You could tell he
Speaker 1: knows how to play zone. He could drive, he can
Speaker 1: he defends the ball, he can high point ball. I
Speaker 1: was very, very surprised because I've got to him kind
Speaker 1: of late in this process, because of Lattimore, Tabor, White, Jones, Tankers,
Speaker 1: Lee Jackson, Humphrey. You know, there's a lot of corner
Speaker 1: I just named a ton of corners. A lot of
Speaker 1: them can play. This kid right here though. He's borderline
Speaker 1: first round ability, and I would not be surprised. Four
Speaker 1: four three speed h a tick under six feet in
Speaker 1: two h five. But you watch him play, he's pretty
Speaker 1: damn good. So yeah, that would be a maybe nobody's
Speaker 1: really talking about. But all of a sudden, you know,
Speaker 1: you look up at the end of it, we get
Speaker 1: close to this draft, they're talking about him as a
Speaker 1: first round guy. I think I think you mentioned about
Speaker 1: what we've talked about Riddick, you know that. Yeah, you're
Speaker 1: the first one to mention a WHOA wait a minute?
Speaker 1: Is it a couple of draft shows ago, maybe even
Speaker 1: at the Senior Bowl teams are going to talk about
Speaker 1: him as a first round guy. Oh, he is a
Speaker 1: first round and that and that's where Yeah, that's what
Speaker 1: I'm thinking right now. It started off as who's this guy?
Speaker 1: So now it's like, WHOA wait a minute, Okay, where
Speaker 1: in the first round is he gonna go? He's this
Speaker 1: year's high fast riser, you know, I mean, yeah, just
Speaker 1: coming out of nowhere to and to some degree, I
Speaker 1: feel like Carson Wentz did that. I mean, we were
Speaker 1: talking about him as an end of first round guy
Speaker 1: when the process first started, and then obviously he goes
Speaker 1: too overall by the time it's all said, I'll give
Speaker 1: you another guy real quick about can Cunning him from Vanderbilt.
Speaker 1: I said last week he was one of my top five.
Speaker 1: You said he was top five from everyone you've watched
Speaker 1: for me, absolutely praise. I mean I this call me crazy,
Speaker 1: which everybody will out there feel free. Brian brought us.
Speaker 1: You can do that. But I'll tell you what. Watch
Speaker 1: the Cunningham kid play at Vanderbilt outside lineback, but he
Speaker 1: plays inside linebacker. You can play mouth. He never comes
Speaker 1: off the field. And if you want to watch, if
Speaker 1: you only have time to watch one game, watch Georgia, Georgia.
Speaker 1: You watched the Georgia game, you'll say, Brian brought us.
Speaker 1: You're a damn good scout. Make sure you watch it
Speaker 1: into the final play. Yeah, exactly. I mean this is
Speaker 1: a guy that makes stops, big stops, and he's always
Speaker 1: on the field. It's a great segue to a question
Speaker 1: from Thomas. I feel like we've kind of ignored it. Um,
Speaker 1: linebacker twenty eight? Where where's this guy fitting? Where's Cunningham fitting? Where?
Speaker 1: What about? I think he goes a lot earlier than
Speaker 1: twenty eight myself, I've got him, got him at one two,
Speaker 1: You got me two, I've got him my one eighteenth.
Speaker 1: Overall around there, I think he fits somewhere in the
Speaker 1: back half a round one. I think he could be there.
Speaker 1: I think it's it's possible. Um. But talking about Reddick, Yeah,
Speaker 1: you like Reddick better than Cunningham. Um, they're so close
Speaker 1: for me. They're very close, I see, because Reddick can rush.
Speaker 1: You could put Reddick's fan in the dirt and go.
Speaker 1: I have seen the thing with Reddick is I had.
Speaker 1: I was high on him, by the way, real quick.
Speaker 1: Reddick Temple is who we're talking about here, people. Yeah, yeah, exactly.
Speaker 1: I was high on him before the Senior Bowl. Um,
Speaker 1: but not as high as I needed to be, just
Speaker 1: because he was a projection. Right go to the Senior Bowl.
Speaker 1: We see him play off the ball, play in space,
Speaker 1: had a little bit of a few hiccups, but his
Speaker 1: athleticism he can just he can make up for so much. Yeah,
Speaker 1: and so I think that Reddick is going to be
Speaker 1: a chaisier type of prospect. Good name that was at fourteen,
Speaker 1: I believe or fourteen Yeah exactly. So I think Reddick
Speaker 1: is going to be somewhere in that top twenty five.
Speaker 1: And if he would fall to twenty eight, that'd be
Speaker 1: a tough guy to pass on. There you go. Friend
Speaker 1: of the show from blogging the Boys landing, he wants
Speaker 1: to land. He wants to know which position group talking
Speaker 1: about depth here, which position group could you wait the
Speaker 1: longest to draft and still get a quality player? Corner receiver. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I love this cornerback class for whatever. It's great, it's awesome.
Speaker 1: I just you know you're talking about guys you can
Speaker 1: I mean, I could go down into sing to the
Speaker 1: third round, fourth round you can get if you can
Speaker 1: get in the Witherspoon kid from Colorado, you can get
Speaker 1: him in the fourth round. Yeah all day. Yeah. Um,
Speaker 1: but wide receiver, I think that's I need to watch him.
Speaker 1: You you you tweeted that out about Witherspoon, the kid
Speaker 1: from Colorado. I need to I need to see that one.
Speaker 1: That might be another Pac twelve corner. I have to
Speaker 1: look at he's he's pretty good. Um, but corner or receipt?
Speaker 1: What do you think do you think that those two
Speaker 1: positions or is it the defensive ends? You can make it.
Speaker 1: You could make an argument for pass rusher U wide
Speaker 1: receiver makes sense. I think a lot of these wide
Speaker 1: receivers getting get pushed into the third, fourth round that
Speaker 1: might go a little bit higher. Guys like right Carlos Henderson,
Speaker 1: law tech player. Though you know he's a guy that
Speaker 1: on tape might be a second or third rounder who
Speaker 1: might be able to get in a third or fourth Yeah.
Speaker 1: So you know, I think the wide receiver position. It
Speaker 1: makes a lot of sense tight end. It's a deep group,
Speaker 1: but I think those guys might come off the board
Speaker 1: quickly in the second or third round. I'm not sure
Speaker 1: you could wait till the fourth and still get your guy.
Speaker 1: It depends on who you like. You know, like a
Speaker 1: Jordan Leggett. I think he could be available. God, I
Speaker 1: wish he played better as how big he is. I
Speaker 1: said this before he gets down the but you know
Speaker 1: he doesn't always play big as a blocker. Oh No,
Speaker 1: I don't think he's I think he's a blow average blocker,
Speaker 1: and I don't I really don't see him getting much better.
Speaker 1: I just I don't know. I'm not a believer in
Speaker 1: Jordan Legott as much as other people are. I'm with
Speaker 1: you on this. By the way, how much more time
Speaker 1: we got? How about one more question? Okay, then I'm
Speaker 1: gonna I'm gonna do the professional thing. DC Nation. Yeah.
Speaker 1: I don't like it when they don't have their name.
Speaker 1: It feels cheap, but it's okay. Um, we didn't see D. D.
Speaker 1: Westbrook at the Senior Bowls, right. Disappointing obviously, but just
Speaker 1: kind of your thoughts on him. Range he's got some
Speaker 1: baggage too. Um, a couple of rest I think we
Speaker 1: need to go to Oklahoma's pro day, by the way, Yeah,
Speaker 1: and we might, especially with Joe Mixon not being at.
Speaker 1: Let's let's go, let's go to Let's go, let's make it.
Speaker 1: Norman Trick, get on up to Norman, Dana watch, We're
Speaker 1: gonna watch a little pro day up there, because there's
Speaker 1: there's gonna be about. I think everybody will be there.
Speaker 1: I think all thirty two will probably be there for
Speaker 1: this group. I think, good bet. Yeah. But with Westbrook,
Speaker 1: he's got he's got his own baggage and stuff that
Speaker 1: A lot of questions about eager to see his official
Speaker 1: weigh ins one seventy five right now? Right does he
Speaker 1: break one eighty? Yeah, he's the question, right. Um, I
Speaker 1: think probably nine will probably be one seventy five to
Speaker 1: one eighty range. Uh, expecting the run off forty three.
Speaker 1: I mean he can fly. He's that type of athlete,
Speaker 1: so you know, expecting to run really well on tape.
Speaker 1: He can take the top of the defense you look
Speaker 1: at it, and of course on the big twelve and
Speaker 1: that offense and uh, you know that factors in. But
Speaker 1: he had twelve touchdowns this year of at least forty yards. Yeah,
Speaker 1: that's an unbelievable number. So Shepherd from the Giants is
Speaker 1: a better player, right, better overall player, better route runner.
Speaker 1: But Westbrook is a better home run hitter, right. And
Speaker 1: we saw what will Fuller how high he went in
Speaker 1: the draft last He's not a singles and doubles hitter.
Speaker 1: He's a home run hitter. And that's the same thing
Speaker 1: with Westbrook. He's a home run guy who even if
Speaker 1: you're not going to go deep to him, he at
Speaker 1: least stretches out that secondary and opens up underneath holes
Speaker 1: for other guys. So Westbrook there's a lot of value there.
Speaker 1: But again he has his baggage. How much is he
Speaker 1: gonna weigh? I mean can It's a guy you can
Speaker 1: even trust going over the middle because if he gets
Speaker 1: popped you have to worry about he's gonna be a
Speaker 1: hold up physically. So the combined to be pretty important
Speaker 1: for d D. Westbrook, not just what are you gonna
Speaker 1: run in the fort yard dash, but the interviews and
Speaker 1: then you know the h what he measures in at
Speaker 1: and then the medicals. So second round player, I mean, yeah,
Speaker 1: I know I had him right in the mix. So there,
Speaker 1: you know, because I saw the Penn State kid Godwin, Yeah,
Speaker 1: and I kind of liked him, and I like Cooper
Speaker 1: Cup from Eastern Washington. I mean, these are like second
Speaker 1: round kind of guys. To me. What should think about
Speaker 1: Ford from Virginia Tech. I was just about to mention
Speaker 1: him because I think that second round is kind of
Speaker 1: crowded right now. It's it's those names right Ard to
Speaker 1: stack them like, you know, Forard, Virginia Tech, Cooper Cup,
Speaker 1: Eastern Washington, Godwin, Penn State, Westbrook, potentially Oklahoma. I've got
Speaker 1: another one in there, Chad Hanson from cal Okay. That's
Speaker 1: what I need to watch. Yeah, I think those guys
Speaker 1: in that second cow keeps pumping out these quality receivers, man,
Speaker 1: yeah do and this guy he can run. Um. So
Speaker 1: I the second round how you stacked them, I'm not
Speaker 1: sure yet how, but right now I leaned towards Westbrook
Speaker 1: and then Ford at the top. I think westbrookie have
Speaker 1: your home run hitter. Ford you have, you know, the
Speaker 1: very reliable target. But and then Cooper Cup after that.
Speaker 1: But I mean we're talking about very good receivers here.
Speaker 1: I listed it as Ford Cup Godwin in Westbrook, and
Speaker 1: I did. The reason I put Westbrook for is because
Speaker 1: of all the questions. Yeah, maybe we take that trip
Speaker 1: up to Norman and take a look at these guys,
Speaker 1: will figure this investigating educate absolutely. Okay, one last quick
Speaker 1: one just uh okay from well from friend of the
Speaker 1: show and Dallas Morning News writer John Mashoda, who hello
Speaker 1: John State. Also the most avid Florida States he is.
Speaker 1: And by the way, good luck Duke basketball tonight against
Speaker 1: North Carolina. He just wanted to know why is Dalvin
Speaker 1: Cook so much better than Leonard Fournette. So oh he's
Speaker 1: he's hammering. He's the Florida State guy hammering to LSU. Guys,
Speaker 1: have enough time. We'll see about that. See about that.
Speaker 1: I take complete back. Well one que One thing that
Speaker 1: Nita mention is fumbles. I release my the fumble rates.
Speaker 1: I do this every year where I tracked down every
Speaker 1: single fumble every single top thirty running backs in his class.
Speaker 1: I tracked down every single fumble their entire career and
Speaker 1: you know, figure out their fumble rate based on offensive touches.
Speaker 1: And Dalvin Cook had one of the worst fumble rates
Speaker 1: this year. Fumbling one set. I love the player too.
Speaker 1: Let me find it um or complete guy. Though I
Speaker 1: like as a runner, I like Cook. I like Cook.
Speaker 1: I think you have to I think I think that
Speaker 1: Fournette has to have a little bit of some space
Speaker 1: to get going. I don't see a creator that Cook's
Speaker 1: the creator's mixing. Look Oklahoma with Cook. There are three
Speaker 1: main issues. The fumbling, which he fumbled once every sixty
Speaker 1: three offensive touches. So if he is touching the ball
Speaker 1: you know, twenty times a game. That's a fumble every
Speaker 1: three games. Not what you want to see. Oh that's
Speaker 1: not from a guy that you're going to be relying
Speaker 1: on to be a big play threat. So first it's
Speaker 1: the ball security. Number two is pass protection. He's willing,
Speaker 1: but he'll go. I think he's better than you're giving
Speaker 1: you credit for. I have seen. I will show you.
Speaker 1: I can show you five clips right now where he
Speaker 1: just gets bowled over. Now, I could show you five
Speaker 1: clips where you stoning guys. Okay, but all it takes
Speaker 1: is five times, and that that you know Freeman missed
Speaker 1: a big pick up in that game. The other day
Speaker 1: they got the guys high tower. So yeah, he's willing.
Speaker 1: I just I think he's limited in that area because's
Speaker 1: two hundred and fifteen pounds as another bas strength that
Speaker 1: you want. Are you talking about You're about for Nett?
Speaker 1: Are you talk about No, No, I'm sorry, I'm talking
Speaker 1: about Cook. Cook. Okay, carry on. It's like, all right, yeah,
Speaker 1: but I got Fournette. I'm much more comfortable with and
Speaker 1: pass bro What Yeah, dude, Fournette. I'm much more comfortable
Speaker 1: with him and past Row than I am. Cook. You
Speaker 1: disagree with that, I do. I think people people just
Speaker 1: look for for stuff about Fournette like I mean, I'm
Speaker 1: not and I'm not even arguing that Cook is a
Speaker 1: better all around back looking for I'm looking for things
Speaker 1: to people act like Fournette. Literally all he can do
Speaker 1: is run the ball like he's not a He doesn't.
Speaker 1: He didn't catch a lot of passes in college, but
Speaker 1: he can and he's not a bad blocker. He might
Speaker 1: not be the best, he wasn't given a lot of opportunities,
Speaker 1: but there's times where he sits in there and doesn't
Speaker 1: hit anybody. I mean, he's looking looking, not hitting anybody.
Speaker 1: I'm serious. I've seen him and I'm not busting him
Speaker 1: because he's an ol shoe guy. His build and what
Speaker 1: I've seen him do it, I feel a lot more
Speaker 1: comfortable that he'll get better in that area than I
Speaker 1: do Dalvin Cook, who's two hundred and ten, two hundred
Speaker 1: and fifteen pounds, and even though he's willing, he's just
Speaker 1: gonna get bowled over by a lot of these NFL rushers.
Speaker 1: It's just it's it's physics. I know we're off the
Speaker 1: rail a little bit here, but I just I keep
Speaker 1: noticing this trend where one of these guys buying you
Speaker 1: Lynch today, you jerk. One of these guys is going
Speaker 1: super high in a mock and then the other guy falls. Yeah,
Speaker 1: and some people like for not better than Cook? What end?
Speaker 1: But like it seems like a trend where one guy
Speaker 1: goes top ten and the other guy waits till like
Speaker 1: twenty five. Is that realistic? Well? My final thing on Cook,
Speaker 1: and this kind of goes to what you're saying is
Speaker 1: the shoulder issues. And this is something that I could
Speaker 1: bad I agree with. I would not be shocked if
Speaker 1: Dalvin Cook we fast forward to April and he's a
Speaker 1: second round pick. Wouldn't be shocked at all because of
Speaker 1: the shoulder issues. All Right, a guy he's not a hammer,
Speaker 1: you know, that's just not his his build, that's not
Speaker 1: what he's meant to do. And with set surgeries in
Speaker 1: his background, I can't get you to take mixing. I'm
Speaker 1: not gonna ground you, maniac. No, No, not that early.
Speaker 1: But there is a point where I would I would
Speaker 1: take him. Yeah, we don't have to get in that discussion. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I would take you pretty much. I appreciate you. I
Speaker 1: got you, Florida State guy. I don't know what the
Speaker 1: hell Danes talking about here. Look, he's my top back. Okay,
Speaker 1: it sounds like me and this Joe boast a thing. Yeah.
Speaker 1: You guys are just looking for warts at this point.
Speaker 1: That's doing Yeah, just yeah, you're trying to get these
Speaker 1: guys right. Okay, Hey, thanks to everybody out there. Okay,
Speaker 1: we'll take our final break. We come back. We're gonna
Speaker 1: do a little draft show shopping. We'll be right back
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Speaker 1: Showboys back here from the SWBC Morgan Studios. Brian brought us,
Speaker 1: Dane Brugler, David Hellman, Can't Garrison, Executive producer. Let's we've
Speaker 1: got the last part of the show here. I want
Speaker 1: to get into this. I want to give this as
Speaker 1: much time as possible. David Hellman is going to have
Speaker 1: a shopping cart and he's gonna push it through the aisles,
Speaker 1: and we're gonna figure out to try and fill that
Speaker 1: basket of players we're trying to I'm trying to find
Speaker 1: us some championship players here, so I need you all
Speaker 1: to be succinct. We kind of went off the rails
Speaker 1: a little bit. I need this to be rapid fire.
Speaker 1: I need the answers. I need players. Let's see ip
Speaker 1: in grun on these guys or not, we'll go for it.
Speaker 1: I want a physical cornerback, and I didn't get one
Speaker 1: in the first round. I want him in the second round.
Speaker 1: Find me somebody. Tankersley. Yeah, that's the first one that
Speaker 1: came in my mind too. A press man guy who
Speaker 1: if you're gonna run a lot of zone, good luck.
Speaker 1: But if you're gonna ask a guy to get up
Speaker 1: in the wide receiver's face and connect himself and just
Speaker 1: stay attached to that receiver, get the route off balanced
Speaker 1: Tankersleezer guy. Tankers that's from Clemson. By cornerback. Yeah all right,
Speaker 1: and now I'm going the opposite way. I actually got
Speaker 1: my corner in the first I need the best pass
Speaker 1: rusher that's still there in the sixties into the second round.
Speaker 1: Best guy you like m second round guys. I don't
Speaker 1: know if Harris stretches. I don't know Williams. I mean,
Speaker 1: Williams would be a Williams would be the best one.
Speaker 1: But man, are we gonna go through that again what
Speaker 1: we did with Randy Gregory. Nope, We're not. I don't
Speaker 1: think so. I mean, let's just say, for the argument's sake,
Speaker 1: Williams goes top fifty. Yeah. Um for me, Rivers, maybe
Speaker 1: he's in the conversation. Rivers would be a Youngstown We
Speaker 1: gotta say these places. He's folks Youngstown stage. Yeah yeah.
Speaker 1: Terrell Bash yeah, Terrell, bash him from all bash him
Speaker 1: from Ohio would be a guy too. I like I
Speaker 1: like that fit that. I do too, and I have
Speaker 1: him over Rivers, by the way, I've got a solid
Speaker 1: two on bash him. Yeah. I think he could be
Speaker 1: available in the late second I think he would fit
Speaker 1: as a right end in this scheme. I like that.
Speaker 1: I like that fit in the bottom of the second round. Bash,
Speaker 1: what about where do you see Charlton? Is he gonna
Speaker 1: be a early Is he gonna be at early? He's
Speaker 1: the first round first round guy. I didn't know if
Speaker 1: I didn't know if people saw him war as a
Speaker 1: left end. I think he's a left end. I think
Speaker 1: he's Justin Tuck. I think he's that type of player.
Speaker 1: I think he can grow into that type of player.
Speaker 1: It reminds me a lot of Justin Tuck when I
Speaker 1: saw him out a notre name. So I think Tuck
Speaker 1: will get better. He's only a one year starter, so
Speaker 1: I think he has a lot of room to grow.
Speaker 1: He played injured a lot this year, so I just
Speaker 1: don't see he might not be available at twenty eight. Yeah,
Speaker 1: follow me on this. I feel way better about finding
Speaker 1: a really good quality cornerback in the second round than
Speaker 1: I do a pass rusher. True or false, I'd say
Speaker 1: true true. I think because he's I think teams will
Speaker 1: prioritize pass rush, so we'll see a lot more of
Speaker 1: the edge rushers come off the board in the top fifty,
Speaker 1: where not that corner is any less valued. But there's
Speaker 1: so many of these dudes. Yeah, I mean this corner class,
Speaker 1: you can go a dozen deep and still feel comfortable
Speaker 1: with the guy you're gonna get in the second round.
Speaker 1: Would we have to would you have to think about
Speaker 1: maybe taking the Villanova kid in the second round there,
Speaker 1: because you might have to hit it around early. You
Speaker 1: keep saying that if you want a guy, you probably
Speaker 1: have to go early. Do we have to think about
Speaker 1: I mean, I know we're gonna have to probably think
Speaker 1: about that. That's way too rich for me. Okay, there's
Speaker 1: no chance I can't talk you into that when at all. Okay,
Speaker 1: carry on. I'm tired of hearing about Howard and Joku
Speaker 1: and Butt. I waited until day three to find a
Speaker 1: tight end, but the Cowboys still need one. Go she in?
Speaker 1: Who she in? Oh? Ashley, So you're thinking about thirt
Speaker 1: mean you're thinking about I have him. I have him,
Speaker 1: like it is really a fourth round guy. But I'm
Speaker 1: thinking that you have to go a little bit. There's
Speaker 1: your blocker, big guy catcher. Yeah, Division two. I mean
Speaker 1: it's it's a What do you think? What about Gerald
Speaker 1: Everett from South Alabama? I think he could fall that far. Yeah,
Speaker 1: but he's a little bit smaller guy, right. What was
Speaker 1: his miserables too? He came in an under size by
Speaker 1: two twenty seven yea saying that during the year he
Speaker 1: was playing up towards two forty. So I mean, I
Speaker 1: think I liked it. I like the athlete though, oh yeah,
Speaker 1: he's gonna test really well at to combine another guy
Speaker 1: I really like who is probably gonna be there at
Speaker 1: the end of the third John U. Smith, Florida International
Speaker 1: tight End. I would take between the two. You take this,
Speaker 1: you take Smith, I'd lean Everett, lean Everett, and then
Speaker 1: Smith I have him. I have a solid three on
Speaker 1: Everett and the three to four on Smith. Okay, then
Speaker 1: a four on our Ashland tight end. I kind of
Speaker 1: like the Ashland guy. So this tape is good, but
Speaker 1: he's face and dentists, so hey, you know what that's okay?
Speaker 1: It is? Hey, well, hey, we gotta figure this out.
Speaker 1: He's is the two hundred and seventy five pounds and
Speaker 1: he's gonna run well, and he's gonna run really and
Speaker 1: he catches the ball and he's and he will block.
Speaker 1: I was honestly thinking, like, this kid from Ohio is
Speaker 1: probably not a big enough school for Will McClay to
Speaker 1: one him. Let alone something no no, no, no no,
Speaker 1: let me let me remind you what Will McClay and
Speaker 1: I asked him this question because people on Twitter were
Speaker 1: critical of Will McClay small school guys play. Will McClay
Speaker 1: looked at me and says, hey, I took a player
Speaker 1: and put a player on this roster from London that
Speaker 1: had no college experience. So I'll due respect to Will,
Speaker 1: but he didn't spend a draft pick on that guy. No, no,
Speaker 1: but he said, hey this he goes, it's about players,
Speaker 1: it's about players, But he goes, I will remind you
Speaker 1: that I did put a kid on this froster that
Speaker 1: had no college experience and was from London and no offense.
Speaker 1: Because I love London. We all love London. But he
Speaker 1: did remind me of that. Can he play? That's the
Speaker 1: question now always that's um, let's play the Laramie Tunsil
Speaker 1: game m offensive tackle, first round twenty eight? Is that
Speaker 1: even feasible? If let's say that's is it possible that
Speaker 1: that could be the BPA When you get to twenty eight?
Speaker 1: Is there a guy you like in that range, kind
Speaker 1: of like the kid that went to Seattle last year?
Speaker 1: If they yeah, fitty see, I think these tackles because
Speaker 1: it is. I don't think it's any question the weak
Speaker 1: is class or position this year in this class, So
Speaker 1: I think these tackles are gonna get pushed up. So
Speaker 1: I find it hard to believe that the best flowers, Yeah,
Speaker 1: like the flowers went to the Times. We're talking about
Speaker 1: Cam Robins, Yeah, Garrett Bowls from Utah. Yeah, Ryan Ramsick,
Speaker 1: that was ms me. He's the top guy. He's got
Speaker 1: some medical stuff needs to work out. But I think
Speaker 1: because it is such a weak position and all three
Speaker 1: two teams need tackle depth, so I think these guys
Speaker 1: you can get pushed up. I find it hard to
Speaker 1: believe that the best player available would be a tackle.
Speaker 1: And even if there was that situation where you know,
Speaker 1: say Ramsick, some teams maybe aren't comfortable with the medicals,
Speaker 1: Cowboys are he's available at twenty eight, I still not.
Speaker 1: I'm not pulling the trigger on do you think there's
Speaker 1: a better corner or a better defensive end potentially? Right?
Speaker 1: And see this this goes back to our original conversation
Speaker 1: about best player available. Need. We've invested so much on
Speaker 1: the offensive line, and to me, I'm I'm putting those
Speaker 1: assets into another another position. That's just me. That's my
Speaker 1: that's the way I look at the situation. That to me,
Speaker 1: the Wisconsin cute chick, he's he he's to me a
Speaker 1: bottom of the first round guy. I mean, and he
Speaker 1: left to those Wisconsin for some reason. He's Wisconsin offensive lineman. Well,
Speaker 1: and this guy's fascinating because he was a Division three
Speaker 1: player and he transferred to Wisconsin red shirt last year.
Speaker 1: He's been a bunch of places and so he just
Speaker 1: one year starter. Yeah, he was impressive. He was very impressive. Tape. Yeah,
Speaker 1: his tape is very good. I think Dane's point is
Speaker 1: well made. But at some point, I'm just like, man,
Speaker 1: this line is such a well oiled machine. And if
Speaker 1: and obviously you need pass rush and need cornerback, I
Speaker 1: get all that, but if you're in a situation where
Speaker 1: that's the best route, just let me keep my line. Badass,
Speaker 1: would you take? Would you? I mean, I mean no, no, no, no,
Speaker 1: no no. At some point, thinking about center guard that
Speaker 1: swing guy if you're if you're and they will need
Speaker 1: guard deaf and he gets from Larry Leaves, which we
Speaker 1: assume he will am I correct, and he's an LSU kid.
Speaker 1: Does he play? Do he play tackle? He played every
Speaker 1: position on six six you eight tall centers. I do.
Speaker 1: I'm keeping my guard. You don't need him to play
Speaker 1: center on this team, though, But though he could. Yeah,
Speaker 1: he could be your swing guy. They played three spots.
Speaker 1: The versatility is the key with him because he does
Speaker 1: have experience kicking out the tackle. He played guard fairly
Speaker 1: well to Senior Bowl, so you feel comfortable with his
Speaker 1: versatility to fill in at different spots. All right, listeners
Speaker 1: probably don't want to hear this, but I don't care.
Speaker 1: We're gonna follow the Ron Wolf Daane Brugler strategy. Let's
Speaker 1: go quarterback. I want a lottery ticket quarterback, and I like,
Speaker 1: we're not. I'm talking fifth rounder later. I'm not talking
Speaker 1: about a premium pick. I want a quarterback that you
Speaker 1: can get me on day three that might turn into something,
Speaker 1: even if that's just trade mate. You haven't done these
Speaker 1: quarterbacks yet. No, that's my last group. That's the last one.
Speaker 1: I want to look at him back to back to
Speaker 1: back to back. Got a guy, Give me a guy.
Speaker 1: What about Chad Kelly from Ole Miss Oh, Machine Gun Kelly,
Speaker 1: the guy who off field. He's a train wreck like that.
Speaker 1: Why do we want to have a train wreck at quarterback?
Speaker 1: He can play and at some point if it clicks,
Speaker 1: beat twice. He beat exactly and so a player, you know,
Speaker 1: Jim Kelly's nephew. He's got the bloodline. If he's Jim Kelly,
Speaker 1: I'm all in. You know how NFL teams love bloodline?
Speaker 1: Oh sure they quarterback kicked out of Clemson, kick out
Speaker 1: for a variety of reasons. And then then that's when
Speaker 1: the real trouble picked up. Yeah, and he got arrested
Speaker 1: a few times. It also has an ACL coming off
Speaker 1: an a CL and so that factors in the medicals
Speaker 1: as well. But you know, with all that said, he's
Speaker 1: got an effortless arms arm and velocity's outstanding physically and mentally.
Speaker 1: The toughness is off the charts. You know, you feel
Speaker 1: good about the way he can move his athleticism. Um.
Speaker 1: So if I'm sitting there in a six or seventh
Speaker 1: round and you're taking a flyer there at six or seven, yeah, exactly.
Speaker 1: You know we're not talking about Yeah again, we're not
Speaker 1: talking about premium picks here. No, I'm talking six or
Speaker 1: seventh round. You know, you feel good about your draft class. Uh,
Speaker 1: he's out there and say, you know the interviews went
Speaker 1: okay with him. Um, you know, my team feels comfortable
Speaker 1: to a certain extent with who he is as an individual.
Speaker 1: I'll roll the dice on him and see what we got.
Speaker 1: I'm interested in that. Do you have somebody at one
Speaker 1: thirty five you would take at quarterback? Yeah, we don't
Speaker 1: pick one thirty five. No, I'm just saying, but that's
Speaker 1: the end of the round. That that's kind of the
Speaker 1: compensatory round. Yeah, and of the fourth. Yeah, you got
Speaker 1: somebody there. I see, like I have Nathan Peterman and
Speaker 1: in the fourth round, but I think the pit kid right, yeah,
Speaker 1: but I think he's gonna go probably second or third,
Speaker 1: just because the quarterbacks didn't get pushed up. Um. Jared Evans,
Speaker 1: the Virginia Tech quarterback junior, came out earlier. Duco kids.
Speaker 1: Watch him throw to Ford a bunch. Yeah, he's he's
Speaker 1: so raw, incredibly raw. But I think he could be
Speaker 1: available and there's something there. There's upside that you can
Speaker 1: possibly develop. And he's not too different than Dak in
Speaker 1: terms of just a type of quarterback. They are movement, Yeah,
Speaker 1: need movement, you know, strong arm, can snap off throws.
Speaker 1: So I think that would make some sense, you know, fourth,
Speaker 1: fifth round, if he's available. I can feel our listeners
Speaker 1: screaming this into their listening devices right now. So I'm
Speaker 1: gonna go get after it started. Cowboys started off Day
Speaker 1: three by taking Tapper last year, which we can get
Speaker 1: into that another time. But the Day three pass rushers
Speaker 1: sleepers guys that I mean, we're really focusing on the
Speaker 1: first two rounds right now. What about maybe some Day
Speaker 1: three gems that you like so far? Caraway do anything
Speaker 1: for you? No, how about Muhammad? I was about to
Speaker 1: bring him up Caraways, TCU, karawayts TCU. I'm sorry out there,
Speaker 1: TCU and Muhammad is the gentleman that didn't play last
Speaker 1: year at Miami al Quadeine Muhammad, Yes, I've heard this thing.
Speaker 1: There we go kicked out in August right before the
Speaker 1: season started. Yeah, for an offee incident. But this sucker
Speaker 1: can move. Yeah, he can really move. A pretty good athlete.
Speaker 1: Did you study him? I have? Would you think? I'll
Speaker 1: tell you what I like him. I like the fact
Speaker 1: that you can he can hand down, he can stand up.
Speaker 1: He's got a little bit of what we talked about
Speaker 1: with with Riddick, that that ability to do a couple
Speaker 1: of different things. I thought he was much better as
Speaker 1: a rusher than he was as really as a drop linebacker.
Speaker 1: But he's like two hundred and fifty pounds, eager to
Speaker 1: see what he waged, very eager to see what he wighs.
Speaker 1: What's he been doing the last year? Yeah, that's it
Speaker 1: always worries me. The guy has had a year off,
Speaker 1: But hey does Bryant he was off basically a year,
Speaker 1: you know that kind of thing. But I think that
Speaker 1: if he comes in, the weight's good, the athletic ability
Speaker 1: to tape all that stuff is really good. So we'll see.
Speaker 1: But yeah, that would be a top of the third
Speaker 1: day guy for me. And I think not that he's
Speaker 1: a sleeper or anything, but I think day Shawan Hall
Speaker 1: will be in that mixed Yeah, I don't disagree with
Speaker 1: you there. The more I watch him, the more I'm
Speaker 1: kind of struggling with that. And I've seen him and
Speaker 1: I'm thinking, well, where does he really fit? That's why
Speaker 1: I had like Mohammed Hall caraway, you know, even with
Speaker 1: the you know the Wormly people talk about Wormly though
Speaker 1: as a guy, but he's a he's a three four
Speaker 1: defensive end. To me, I think he's a base is
Speaker 1: a base end in its four or four three? Yeah,
Speaker 1: I just don't I don't see that pass rusher now
Speaker 1: Hobbit's the pass rusher, right, if you want a pass rusher,
Speaker 1: Wormley's not your guy. Okay, let me real quick here, KNT.
Speaker 1: Do we have time? Thanks? You do we have time?
Speaker 1: Do you get a caller? You have any calling? Anybody
Speaker 1: holding one? Lined up? We just hit twelve o'clock. Okay,
Speaker 1: so we have to move on from there. But yeah,
Speaker 1: like one more one way, good time? Yeah? Um. Safeties,
Speaker 1: I mean we know that we know the top guys.
Speaker 1: We know Hooker and Adams. I'm thinking Baker, second round,
Speaker 1: third round, Baker, do anything for you? Or do we
Speaker 1: truly have one of those corners that could play safety?
Speaker 1: Desmond King, King, Quincy Wilson one of those guys. Yeah.
Speaker 1: I think King goes earlier than than where Dallas is picking.
Speaker 1: And the second yeah probably. Um. I think a guy
Speaker 1: to keep an eye on. Josh Jones from NC State. Okay,
Speaker 1: I think he's going to test really well at the combine.
Speaker 1: If you squint really hard, I think you can see
Speaker 1: kind of a Jalen Amsy type of player. You know,
Speaker 1: he kind of did a little bit of everything, corner, safety, linebacker,
Speaker 1: excellent ball production. So I think with Josh Jones from
Speaker 1: NC state. Nobody knows or you know, no one's talking
Speaker 1: about this name right now. But I think I to
Speaker 1: the combine more people will Justin Evans from A and
Speaker 1: M and I mean that's people have been tweeting at
Speaker 1: me about Justin Evans. I need to watch him. I
Speaker 1: haven't seen him. I do like the Connecticut safety though
Speaker 1: by that Where do you like him? Oh? I get
Speaker 1: him the third round. I struggle with him. He's so
Speaker 1: conservative sometimes so he does I mean, people would tell
Speaker 1: me he's kind of a side tackler. I don't. I
Speaker 1: see a physical guy. But there's a history of corners.
Speaker 1: I mean, see the safeties that are tall that have
Speaker 1: made it, and then there's the Patrick Bateses of the
Speaker 1: world that haven't made it. We'll need to talk about
Speaker 1: Justin Evans because he's a supreme athlete. He can move,
Speaker 1: he flies all over the field. He'll hit you just
Speaker 1: the mistackles are maddening, and it's something that for me
Speaker 1: as a safety or when I evaluate safeties, that's something
Speaker 1: that I really have a hard time getting over. All right, well,
Speaker 1: that's all the time we have. Thank jam Packs. Thank
Speaker 1: you very much Dave for putting that together. Really gain
Speaker 1: I want to also thank Dane Burglar, David Hellman, Kick
Speaker 1: Garrison Executive produce. I also want to thank Ed K.
Speaker 1: Hill for coming up with this idea many years ago.
Speaker 1: I want to thank Derek Eagleton as well for letting
Speaker 1: us do this, and then Taylor Stern for always pushing
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