1 00:00:00,320 --> 00:00:00,840 Speaker 1: I'm Manny. 2 00:00:01,280 --> 00:00:03,840 Speaker 2: Noah, this is Devin, and this is no such thing. 3 00:00:03,960 --> 00:00:06,840 Speaker 2: The show where resettle our dumb arguments and yours by 4 00:00:06,960 --> 00:00:10,920 Speaker 2: actually doing the research. Today's question is it okay to 5 00:00:10,960 --> 00:00:13,680 Speaker 2: wear you're outside clothes on your bed. We go beyond 6 00:00:13,720 --> 00:00:16,520 Speaker 2: the vibes and actually sense up swabs to a lab. 7 00:00:17,600 --> 00:00:20,000 Speaker 2: We have the results back from the lab. 8 00:00:20,640 --> 00:00:21,200 Speaker 3: We can't wait. 9 00:00:23,560 --> 00:00:26,840 Speaker 1: No, no, there's no no such thing, no such thing, 10 00:00:28,240 --> 00:00:29,840 Speaker 1: no such thing. 11 00:00:37,479 --> 00:00:43,760 Speaker 2: Okay. So this one, actually, Manny, came up at your 12 00:00:43,920 --> 00:00:49,400 Speaker 2: birthday party. We were talking about the podcasts and we 13 00:00:49,400 --> 00:00:53,640 Speaker 2: were asking people do you have any ideas that we 14 00:00:53,680 --> 00:00:56,920 Speaker 2: should you know, debate or talk about. And Jordan and 15 00:00:57,000 --> 00:01:00,160 Speaker 2: our good friend, was like, is it actually bad to 16 00:01:00,200 --> 00:01:02,920 Speaker 2: wear outside clothes inside? Like if you're on the train 17 00:01:03,160 --> 00:01:05,360 Speaker 2: and you have like clothes and you sit down your bed, 18 00:01:05,640 --> 00:01:09,319 Speaker 2: are you actually tracking in a lot of germs? Well, 19 00:01:09,400 --> 00:01:11,800 Speaker 2: let's let me back up. Growing up, it was very 20 00:01:11,880 --> 00:01:15,640 Speaker 2: much a thing in my house where my parents would 21 00:01:15,680 --> 00:01:18,240 Speaker 2: be like they were like outside clothes and they were 22 00:01:18,280 --> 00:01:20,959 Speaker 2: like inside clothes. So if you went outside to play 23 00:01:21,240 --> 00:01:25,319 Speaker 2: in clothes when you if you came inside and you 24 00:01:25,360 --> 00:01:28,520 Speaker 2: were in for the day, yeah, you would change your 25 00:01:28,520 --> 00:01:32,440 Speaker 2: clothes because the clothes that you were previously wearing have 26 00:01:32,800 --> 00:01:36,319 Speaker 2: outside dirts in germs, and this. 27 00:01:36,319 --> 00:01:38,639 Speaker 4: Is like no matter what you were doing, not like okay, 28 00:01:38,640 --> 00:01:40,360 Speaker 4: you were you know, in. 29 00:01:40,280 --> 00:01:41,240 Speaker 3: The mud playing sports. 30 00:01:41,319 --> 00:01:43,720 Speaker 4: No, yeah, this is just like not extreme, but you know, 31 00:01:43,800 --> 00:01:45,480 Speaker 4: yeah exactly in the yard. 32 00:01:45,480 --> 00:01:47,800 Speaker 2: Like going to school, right, like the clothes that you 33 00:01:47,840 --> 00:01:50,360 Speaker 2: wore to school if you were like and this is 34 00:01:50,400 --> 00:01:52,120 Speaker 2: not like okay, middle to day, I'm in the house 35 00:01:52,160 --> 00:01:54,080 Speaker 2: for two hours. I got to change the clothes. This 36 00:01:54,200 --> 00:01:57,960 Speaker 2: is like, okay, I'm not going out again for the day. Yeah, yeah, yeah, 37 00:01:58,080 --> 00:02:02,200 Speaker 2: you would put on inside clothes let's call I don't 38 00:02:02,200 --> 00:02:03,120 Speaker 2: know that they had a name. 39 00:02:03,280 --> 00:02:04,080 Speaker 1: Just change your clothes. 40 00:02:05,560 --> 00:02:08,239 Speaker 2: Yes, you wouldn't wear the same clothes you went to 41 00:02:08,240 --> 00:02:11,760 Speaker 2: school with to like hang out at night at home. 42 00:02:12,200 --> 00:02:16,920 Speaker 2: And then there's also on top of that, like in 43 00:02:17,000 --> 00:02:21,280 Speaker 2: almost no situation would you ever wear your outside clothes 44 00:02:21,800 --> 00:02:24,760 Speaker 2: on your bed or sit in your bed wearing clothes 45 00:02:24,800 --> 00:02:28,040 Speaker 2: that you weren't outside. Those are rules I had grown up. 46 00:02:30,160 --> 00:02:34,359 Speaker 2: I will say I didn't always follow those rules, right, 47 00:02:34,440 --> 00:02:37,960 Speaker 2: Like I feel like college, in your dorm room, you 48 00:02:37,960 --> 00:02:39,960 Speaker 2: don't have like a couch, right, So it's like if 49 00:02:40,000 --> 00:02:42,320 Speaker 2: your friends come over, if you're hanging out, like people 50 00:02:42,360 --> 00:02:43,040 Speaker 2: just sit on your bed. 51 00:02:43,240 --> 00:02:45,800 Speaker 1: Yep, I'm sorry in that headspace, are you thinking this 52 00:02:46,000 --> 00:02:48,040 Speaker 1: is bad and gross? But I just kind of don't 53 00:02:48,080 --> 00:02:51,280 Speaker 1: care right now? Or it was always you were just 54 00:02:51,360 --> 00:02:53,000 Speaker 1: following a rule your parents had. 55 00:02:54,440 --> 00:02:58,680 Speaker 2: I would say, up until somewhat recently, I was just 56 00:02:58,760 --> 00:03:02,240 Speaker 2: following a rule that like we had growing up. But 57 00:03:02,520 --> 00:03:08,280 Speaker 2: now as a like a natural adult, now yeah, no, 58 00:03:08,639 --> 00:03:09,480 Speaker 2: now I think it's gross. 59 00:03:09,480 --> 00:03:10,360 Speaker 1: It's just gross. 60 00:03:11,240 --> 00:03:12,960 Speaker 2: Like if you guys came over and sat on my bed, 61 00:03:13,000 --> 00:03:17,679 Speaker 2: on your bed, I was like, Okay, what's going on here? No, 62 00:03:17,760 --> 00:03:19,400 Speaker 2: I'm just going to assume that this was not a 63 00:03:19,440 --> 00:03:20,040 Speaker 2: thing in your house. 64 00:03:20,080 --> 00:03:26,200 Speaker 4: No, No, I mean, speaking as a white man, Yeah, 65 00:03:26,200 --> 00:03:29,680 Speaker 4: it just wasn't obviously it would only be like, okay, yeah, 66 00:03:29,720 --> 00:03:31,480 Speaker 4: you're clearly dirty from something. 67 00:03:31,600 --> 00:03:34,880 Speaker 2: So your parents never explicitly were like definitely not outside. 68 00:03:34,960 --> 00:03:38,880 Speaker 4: Never a rule like that for like general yeah cleanliness 69 00:03:38,880 --> 00:03:39,360 Speaker 4: in that way. 70 00:03:40,560 --> 00:03:45,280 Speaker 1: No, in my experience, it's you know, my mom always 71 00:03:46,000 --> 00:03:49,840 Speaker 1: wanted us to be clean, like come home, like shower, 72 00:03:50,520 --> 00:03:53,680 Speaker 1: change clothes at times. But I don't think it had 73 00:03:53,720 --> 00:03:58,560 Speaker 1: to do with like germs that came from outside that 74 00:03:58,640 --> 00:04:02,560 Speaker 1: are now on the furniture or the bed. It was 75 00:04:02,560 --> 00:04:04,280 Speaker 1: more like you stink. 76 00:04:05,920 --> 00:04:09,080 Speaker 2: Like did you ever get the you smell like outside? 77 00:04:09,760 --> 00:04:10,000 Speaker 3: Yes? 78 00:04:10,200 --> 00:04:13,680 Speaker 1: And that was when I when we played you know, 79 00:04:14,840 --> 00:04:16,760 Speaker 1: all my siblings played for its growing up, and so 80 00:04:16,920 --> 00:04:19,720 Speaker 1: like that's a little different than just commuting somewhere. But 81 00:04:19,800 --> 00:04:22,920 Speaker 1: like that's to me, when you would smell like outside 82 00:04:23,000 --> 00:04:24,760 Speaker 1: is like sitting in the hot sun or whatever. 83 00:04:24,839 --> 00:04:26,440 Speaker 2: Yeah, you're doing an outside activity. 84 00:04:26,680 --> 00:04:30,800 Speaker 1: Yeah, So in those instances, definitely, my mom's like, don't 85 00:04:30,839 --> 00:04:33,120 Speaker 1: even don't even think about talking to me before you 86 00:04:33,360 --> 00:04:36,040 Speaker 1: take a shower first smell there. But if I were 87 00:04:36,080 --> 00:04:38,080 Speaker 1: just going to school and I came back home and 88 00:04:38,080 --> 00:04:39,480 Speaker 1: like sat on my bed, I don't think my mom 89 00:04:39,480 --> 00:04:44,240 Speaker 1: would think anything of it. And I'm interested in in 90 00:04:44,279 --> 00:04:48,839 Speaker 1: this kind of uh, this this feeling because to me, 91 00:04:50,240 --> 00:04:54,480 Speaker 1: I'll ask you a question. If I commuted to your apartment, 92 00:04:55,240 --> 00:04:57,280 Speaker 1: why is why would I be allowed to sit on 93 00:04:57,320 --> 00:05:00,080 Speaker 1: your couch but not your bed. I mean, you're a 94 00:05:00,120 --> 00:05:01,960 Speaker 1: lot of time on your couch. If you're worried about 95 00:05:02,000 --> 00:05:03,640 Speaker 1: your bed, I don't know why you. 96 00:05:03,400 --> 00:05:05,760 Speaker 2: Just shouldn't have people over that. Yeah, at that point, 97 00:05:05,880 --> 00:05:09,880 Speaker 2: you're gonna give me a beer, like hants like come. 98 00:05:09,760 --> 00:05:12,080 Speaker 1: Over, yeah, or like I guess some people have those 99 00:05:12,160 --> 00:05:12,880 Speaker 1: couch covers. 100 00:05:13,000 --> 00:05:15,920 Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, I guess when I'm on my couch, less 101 00:05:16,000 --> 00:05:22,080 Speaker 2: of my body is touching the catch, right, yeah, versus 102 00:05:22,160 --> 00:05:24,840 Speaker 2: when I'm in bed, it's like it's just my boxers. 103 00:05:25,320 --> 00:05:26,360 Speaker 3: Does your dog get on your bed? 104 00:05:26,520 --> 00:05:31,280 Speaker 2: He does? And this is a thing, so I that 105 00:05:31,520 --> 00:05:35,480 Speaker 2: my dog on. My dog goes everywhere. And yes, I 106 00:05:35,520 --> 00:05:37,960 Speaker 2: don't have like tables, like you can't sit on this thing, 107 00:05:39,440 --> 00:05:42,360 Speaker 2: but there are so like on my bed there's the 108 00:05:42,560 --> 00:05:46,320 Speaker 2: ali cover, so like I make my bed and then 109 00:05:46,360 --> 00:05:48,600 Speaker 2: there's a linen cover I have on top of that 110 00:05:49,320 --> 00:05:52,800 Speaker 2: that he stays on. Yeah, so you know, it's like 111 00:05:53,240 --> 00:05:55,520 Speaker 2: to me, it's probably like in bathrooms ready have like 112 00:05:55,600 --> 00:06:00,680 Speaker 2: the toilet bowl, you know, yeah, where you're like probably recover. Yeah, 113 00:06:00,760 --> 00:06:04,120 Speaker 2: like what is this actually doing? Like if the germs 114 00:06:04,120 --> 00:06:09,560 Speaker 2: are really about that life like yeah yeah, but in 115 00:06:09,680 --> 00:06:11,280 Speaker 2: my mind there's a separation. 116 00:06:11,640 --> 00:06:13,159 Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, that makes sense. 117 00:06:18,400 --> 00:06:20,120 Speaker 2: Where do we all stand on this current day? 118 00:06:20,200 --> 00:06:24,080 Speaker 1: Oh I don't care. Yeah, people unless you're like smelling bad, 119 00:06:24,320 --> 00:06:26,040 Speaker 1: Like I'm more about like hygiene. 120 00:06:26,160 --> 00:06:28,880 Speaker 4: Yeah, if I come home, I mean yeah again, not 121 00:06:29,000 --> 00:06:31,599 Speaker 4: that many people are over there. If I come home 122 00:06:32,680 --> 00:06:35,800 Speaker 4: after work or whatever, and then I haven't. I'm not 123 00:06:35,880 --> 00:06:37,800 Speaker 4: going to change before I sit down on my bed. 124 00:06:38,160 --> 00:06:41,680 Speaker 4: Like I would never get in my bed under the covers. Yeah, 125 00:06:41,680 --> 00:06:44,039 Speaker 4: I would never get under the covers in my work. 126 00:06:44,920 --> 00:06:45,920 Speaker 2: Yeah, that'd be kind of weird. 127 00:06:46,040 --> 00:06:49,839 Speaker 3: Yeah, anyway, that's a different problem. 128 00:06:50,040 --> 00:06:52,440 Speaker 4: Yeah, but like I would, I would definitely sit on 129 00:06:52,560 --> 00:06:55,840 Speaker 4: my bed my jeans or whatever that I wore out 130 00:06:56,040 --> 00:06:57,760 Speaker 4: onto the subway or what have you. 131 00:06:58,040 --> 00:07:00,160 Speaker 1: Yeah, I'm the same way, Like I'm not you know, 132 00:07:00,320 --> 00:07:04,200 Speaker 1: there's there are many times where I'll change before I 133 00:07:04,240 --> 00:07:05,920 Speaker 1: get into bed, but it's not because of the germs. 134 00:07:05,960 --> 00:07:07,760 Speaker 1: It's like just more of a comfort thing, like I'm 135 00:07:07,800 --> 00:07:09,960 Speaker 1: not going to be in my jeans in bed or whatever. Yeah, 136 00:07:10,840 --> 00:07:13,280 Speaker 1: And I've always been I've always wondered for people who 137 00:07:13,360 --> 00:07:19,360 Speaker 1: are like hardline against it. I'm wondering what's happening or 138 00:07:19,440 --> 00:07:21,760 Speaker 1: what they think is happening in their head where like 139 00:07:22,680 --> 00:07:24,280 Speaker 1: you get on the bed and then the germs that 140 00:07:24,360 --> 00:07:27,120 Speaker 1: are on your clothes are like jumping or transferring to 141 00:07:27,320 --> 00:07:30,360 Speaker 1: the bed and then what, yeah, die, Like what what 142 00:07:31,320 --> 00:07:34,560 Speaker 1: part of is? We live in New York City, one 143 00:07:34,560 --> 00:07:37,440 Speaker 1: of the dirtiest fucking cities in the world. I don't 144 00:07:37,840 --> 00:07:41,240 Speaker 1: my one question about this is like, I think it's 145 00:07:41,720 --> 00:07:44,480 Speaker 1: totally fair and fine if you don't want outside clothes 146 00:07:44,520 --> 00:07:46,640 Speaker 1: on your bed. I wonder if those people know you're 147 00:07:46,680 --> 00:07:48,480 Speaker 1: doing way grosser shit all day. 148 00:07:48,600 --> 00:07:49,680 Speaker 2: Oh yeah, yeah sure. 149 00:07:50,000 --> 00:07:54,560 Speaker 1: But I remember I years ago had like a fling 150 00:07:54,720 --> 00:07:59,720 Speaker 1: with someone who just was repulsed, like if I sat 151 00:07:59,800 --> 00:08:04,560 Speaker 1: on the bed, repulsed, like immediately changing the sheets. 152 00:08:04,960 --> 00:08:07,960 Speaker 2: Oh like changing the sheets, like immediately after I left. 153 00:08:08,080 --> 00:08:11,520 Speaker 1: Like cleaning, Like doesn't want anyone to sit on the 154 00:08:11,560 --> 00:08:14,120 Speaker 1: bed if they had just come from outside. And I 155 00:08:14,240 --> 00:08:15,480 Speaker 1: think that's like a problem. 156 00:08:15,880 --> 00:08:19,680 Speaker 4: That's again like like you were saying, it's like what 157 00:08:20,600 --> 00:08:23,360 Speaker 4: what exactly is going to happen to you in your mind? 158 00:08:23,600 --> 00:08:24,760 Speaker 4: Like you're gonna get sick from this? 159 00:08:24,960 --> 00:08:27,600 Speaker 1: You think, Yeah, you know, I've seen people do drugs 160 00:08:27,640 --> 00:08:31,280 Speaker 1: off of like disgusting things and bathrooms and then turn 161 00:08:31,360 --> 00:08:33,880 Speaker 1: around and be like no outside clothes on my head? 162 00:08:34,080 --> 00:08:35,800 Speaker 1: Like what are we talking about here? 163 00:08:35,880 --> 00:08:36,360 Speaker 4: Like what is it? 164 00:08:36,559 --> 00:08:36,920 Speaker 3: Actually? 165 00:08:37,720 --> 00:08:39,679 Speaker 1: What is the germ part of this? How big of 166 00:08:39,720 --> 00:08:42,559 Speaker 1: a role does that play? Or you know, maybe it 167 00:08:42,640 --> 00:08:44,960 Speaker 1: was just a rule that was instilled when they were 168 00:08:44,960 --> 00:08:47,120 Speaker 1: a kidding that's what you do. There's not a lot 169 00:08:47,200 --> 00:08:49,120 Speaker 1: of logic to it like I I'm sure I have 170 00:08:49,360 --> 00:08:52,199 Speaker 1: I do tons of things that are not rational. 171 00:08:52,320 --> 00:08:56,040 Speaker 5: Like other house things that like you were shoes in 172 00:08:56,080 --> 00:08:58,760 Speaker 5: your house, you wear shoes out, typically have the shoes off, 173 00:08:58,840 --> 00:09:01,079 Speaker 5: but like if someone came in and it's not a 174 00:09:01,120 --> 00:09:02,400 Speaker 5: big deal the same way. 175 00:09:02,360 --> 00:09:06,719 Speaker 3: I think it's just more comfortable to be. Yeah, it's 176 00:09:06,760 --> 00:09:09,240 Speaker 3: also yeah, it's a little clean. 177 00:09:10,000 --> 00:09:11,640 Speaker 2: In terms of just like okay, I have to, like, 178 00:09:12,679 --> 00:09:13,760 Speaker 2: you know, mop last night. 179 00:09:13,840 --> 00:09:16,240 Speaker 3: Yeah I would. I wouldn't demand people to like. 180 00:09:16,320 --> 00:09:19,680 Speaker 2: My dog walkers definitely off And I'm like it's fine. 181 00:09:19,720 --> 00:09:23,160 Speaker 4: I'm also curious if say, you lay your dirty clothes 182 00:09:23,200 --> 00:09:27,400 Speaker 4: on your bed on the top of the covers, are 183 00:09:27,480 --> 00:09:33,440 Speaker 4: those germs ever gonna find their way under? And let's 184 00:09:33,440 --> 00:09:35,160 Speaker 4: say you don't have a top sheet for these. 185 00:09:35,080 --> 00:09:39,600 Speaker 2: Purposes, you know top she I mean like we got 186 00:09:39,760 --> 00:09:40,560 Speaker 2: we have top sheets. 187 00:09:40,880 --> 00:09:43,280 Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah, I love it because you need it, especially 188 00:09:44,480 --> 00:09:47,720 Speaker 4: temperatures changed the night. I love I can just take 189 00:09:47,760 --> 00:09:50,520 Speaker 4: off this and now it's I'm just in this thing. 190 00:09:50,720 --> 00:09:52,000 Speaker 3: I'm not trying to be uncovered. 191 00:09:52,200 --> 00:09:56,280 Speaker 2: Yes, that's yeah, something on top of me. Yeah. 192 00:09:56,360 --> 00:09:58,480 Speaker 4: So I mean, I'm just curious how how much transfer 193 00:09:58,600 --> 00:10:02,079 Speaker 4: is actually happening. I wonder if there's like a like 194 00:10:02,160 --> 00:10:05,079 Speaker 4: a black light test. Yes, ultimately black light would be 195 00:10:05,160 --> 00:10:07,360 Speaker 4: funny because it would be like, yeah, this is great 196 00:10:07,400 --> 00:10:13,640 Speaker 4: for a podcast. Yeah yeah, exactly, yeah yeah. 197 00:10:14,200 --> 00:10:17,280 Speaker 2: After the break, we'll talk to a microbiologists and track 198 00:10:17,360 --> 00:10:19,480 Speaker 2: down a lab that's actually willing to take on our 199 00:10:19,640 --> 00:10:21,320 Speaker 2: silly outside clothes experiment. 200 00:10:32,160 --> 00:10:35,559 Speaker 6: Hey, you've reached money, Noah and devon at no such thing. 201 00:10:36,080 --> 00:10:40,400 Speaker 6: Please leave your message after the beep. I think it's disgusting. 202 00:10:40,840 --> 00:10:46,120 Speaker 7: I won't even stand near the top of my comforter 203 00:10:46,840 --> 00:10:50,120 Speaker 7: with outside clothes on for fear of them touching. 204 00:10:51,320 --> 00:10:53,920 Speaker 8: I think it's acceptable to be on the bed, Like 205 00:10:54,000 --> 00:10:56,240 Speaker 8: if you're grown up and you've got a nice two 206 00:10:56,320 --> 00:11:01,000 Speaker 8: fae and hospital corners and whatever, and you have outside 207 00:11:01,040 --> 00:11:04,199 Speaker 8: clothes on top of all that, I think that's acceptable 208 00:11:04,480 --> 00:11:07,840 Speaker 8: to where outside clothes into bed is not great. 209 00:11:09,040 --> 00:11:13,679 Speaker 9: The only garment that I am keeping on is my 210 00:11:13,800 --> 00:11:16,840 Speaker 9: T shirt from the day. Providing that I haven't been 211 00:11:16,920 --> 00:11:22,240 Speaker 9: sweating profusely, I am absolutely fine to wear that overnight 212 00:11:22,360 --> 00:11:25,400 Speaker 9: and then chuck it in the laundry basket. For me, 213 00:11:25,679 --> 00:11:28,600 Speaker 9: it's like during the winter, your T shirt is never 214 00:11:28,679 --> 00:11:32,280 Speaker 9: really exposed. It's always under a jumper, under a coat. 215 00:11:33,679 --> 00:11:39,000 Speaker 7: Every time a subway drives by, it dusts up all 216 00:11:39,120 --> 00:11:44,800 Speaker 7: the ratshit and human feces and piss from like, you know, 217 00:11:45,120 --> 00:11:49,000 Speaker 7: ten million people or whatever just wafting in the air. 218 00:11:49,520 --> 00:11:53,679 Speaker 7: At the very least, put on different clothes, best case, 219 00:11:53,840 --> 00:11:54,600 Speaker 7: take a shower. 220 00:11:56,120 --> 00:12:00,439 Speaker 6: If I'm having someone over from a date and we're 221 00:12:00,480 --> 00:12:02,920 Speaker 6: not in a relationship so I don't know them met, well, 222 00:12:03,520 --> 00:12:07,040 Speaker 6: it feels really silly to ask them to take off 223 00:12:07,080 --> 00:12:11,400 Speaker 6: their parts. It feels presumptuous. It like interrupts the flow 224 00:12:11,840 --> 00:12:17,120 Speaker 6: of things. But I do scream internally when their outside 225 00:12:17,200 --> 00:12:21,320 Speaker 6: shirt touches my pillow, But ultimately, you know, you gotta 226 00:12:21,360 --> 00:12:22,000 Speaker 6: do what you gotta do. 227 00:12:25,280 --> 00:12:26,080 Speaker 2: All right, we're back. 228 00:12:26,440 --> 00:12:28,520 Speaker 1: I'm Anny, I'm Noah Devin. 229 00:12:29,400 --> 00:12:33,520 Speaker 2: So last time we talked, we were discussing whether or 230 00:12:33,520 --> 00:12:35,920 Speaker 2: not you should wear your outside clothes on your bed, 231 00:12:37,280 --> 00:12:39,280 Speaker 2: and so I want to talk to an expert about this, 232 00:12:39,640 --> 00:12:43,160 Speaker 2: so I reached out to a microbiologist. 233 00:12:43,440 --> 00:12:44,400 Speaker 1: So my name is. 234 00:12:44,679 --> 00:12:48,360 Speaker 10: Doctor Lisa Kuchara. I'm a professor at Quinnipiac University, and 235 00:12:48,720 --> 00:12:51,840 Speaker 10: one of my research specialties is kind of looking at 236 00:12:52,000 --> 00:12:54,840 Speaker 10: full mites, which are is the fancy word for inanimate 237 00:12:54,960 --> 00:12:58,240 Speaker 10: objects which could contaminate us with bacteria. 238 00:12:58,520 --> 00:13:01,720 Speaker 2: So think of like th Knob's uh your phone okay, 239 00:13:02,080 --> 00:13:08,040 Speaker 2: subway poll subway pole game specifically a gaming because you 240 00:13:08,440 --> 00:13:13,480 Speaker 2: get at we've seen you know, So she's she's kind 241 00:13:13,520 --> 00:13:16,079 Speaker 2: of helpful here because we are trying to see if 242 00:13:16,120 --> 00:13:24,200 Speaker 2: our beds are film mights. So maybe unsurprisingly, Lisa describes 243 00:13:24,240 --> 00:13:27,559 Speaker 2: herself as a germaphobe. As a microbiologist, I would probably 244 00:13:27,760 --> 00:13:32,760 Speaker 2: be a germophobe, but she has a unique reasoning for 245 00:13:32,880 --> 00:13:33,760 Speaker 2: being a germaphobe. 246 00:13:33,920 --> 00:13:37,520 Speaker 10: So my germophobia kind of comes from my like my 247 00:13:37,640 --> 00:13:40,400 Speaker 10: fear of missing out, my ability that I don't want 248 00:13:40,520 --> 00:13:42,120 Speaker 10: to be sick, even with things that aren't going to 249 00:13:42,240 --> 00:13:44,880 Speaker 10: kill me. So if I'm going to be say taking 250 00:13:44,960 --> 00:13:47,959 Speaker 10: a plane ride and going through all the things that 251 00:13:48,040 --> 00:13:49,800 Speaker 10: I might be touching, I don't want to get to 252 00:13:49,960 --> 00:13:52,440 Speaker 10: my destination and then spending the time in the bathroom. 253 00:13:53,120 --> 00:13:55,439 Speaker 10: That's not something that I enjoy, and so I try 254 00:13:55,520 --> 00:13:56,520 Speaker 10: to avoid things like that. 255 00:13:56,960 --> 00:13:59,880 Speaker 2: So with that mindset, I was curious, what are something 256 00:13:59,920 --> 00:14:02,080 Speaker 2: to gross things that we encounter and just our day 257 00:14:02,120 --> 00:14:02,720 Speaker 2: to day lives. 258 00:14:02,960 --> 00:14:06,439 Speaker 10: Definitely things that we don't tend to think about, like doorknobs, 259 00:14:06,480 --> 00:14:10,400 Speaker 10: things like menus. So a lot of restaurants have very plasticly, 260 00:14:10,800 --> 00:14:13,719 Speaker 10: very germ ridden menus, and so what do you do 261 00:14:13,920 --> 00:14:17,600 Speaker 10: you eat right after touching this menu? The person before 262 00:14:17,640 --> 00:14:19,760 Speaker 10: you went to the bathroom didn't wash their hands, and 263 00:14:19,840 --> 00:14:21,800 Speaker 10: now you're eating your French fries with your hands. 264 00:14:22,080 --> 00:14:26,040 Speaker 2: So she says she brings hand sanitizer to restaurants for 265 00:14:26,160 --> 00:14:29,880 Speaker 2: that reason, and then she also talked about phones. Phones 266 00:14:29,880 --> 00:14:30,400 Speaker 2: are really gross. 267 00:14:30,480 --> 00:14:33,320 Speaker 10: Yeah, of course, it's interesting that we also take our 268 00:14:33,360 --> 00:14:35,920 Speaker 10: phones everywhere, right, So our phones go to the bathroom 269 00:14:35,960 --> 00:14:38,120 Speaker 10: with us, our phones go to the restaurant with us, 270 00:14:38,640 --> 00:14:41,240 Speaker 10: so we also have to be careful of that. One 271 00:14:41,280 --> 00:14:43,240 Speaker 10: of the things I do with my students is we 272 00:14:43,520 --> 00:14:46,040 Speaker 10: swabbed a lot of phones, and almost all of them 273 00:14:46,080 --> 00:14:48,160 Speaker 10: have fecal matter on them, which means that people are 274 00:14:48,560 --> 00:14:50,520 Speaker 10: washing their hands after they go to the bathroom. They're 275 00:14:50,560 --> 00:14:52,600 Speaker 10: touching lots of things, and yet our phones are with 276 00:14:52,800 --> 00:14:53,920 Speaker 10: us at most meals. 277 00:14:54,120 --> 00:14:56,840 Speaker 1: Oh no, a lot of who that's I don't want 278 00:14:56,840 --> 00:14:57,160 Speaker 1: to hear that. 279 00:14:57,520 --> 00:14:58,640 Speaker 2: Do you wipe down your phones? 280 00:14:59,520 --> 00:14:59,800 Speaker 3: Nope? 281 00:15:00,200 --> 00:15:02,600 Speaker 2: No, no, I mean, what's the last time you left 282 00:15:02,640 --> 00:15:03,080 Speaker 2: down your phone? 283 00:15:03,280 --> 00:15:05,640 Speaker 1: Like if sometimes if I drop food on it, I'll 284 00:15:05,680 --> 00:15:06,400 Speaker 1: wipe yeah. 285 00:15:06,440 --> 00:15:08,800 Speaker 4: Even even then, it's like more wiping it with my 286 00:15:08,920 --> 00:15:11,600 Speaker 4: thumb and not Yeah, it's not to clean the phone. 287 00:15:11,680 --> 00:15:14,920 Speaker 4: It's just so I can see drop ketch up all 288 00:15:15,000 --> 00:15:18,680 Speaker 4: my screen. I might wipe it with I might, but 289 00:15:18,720 --> 00:15:20,720 Speaker 4: I might even just do a little like my thumb 290 00:15:20,800 --> 00:15:22,120 Speaker 4: and just y'all do the. 291 00:15:22,640 --> 00:15:24,800 Speaker 2: You don't do the little lights all wiped the phone 292 00:15:24,800 --> 00:15:25,520 Speaker 2: every once in a while. 293 00:15:25,960 --> 00:15:28,000 Speaker 1: I've never, I really never thought about it. 294 00:15:28,120 --> 00:15:29,160 Speaker 2: Did you do it during COVID? 295 00:15:30,320 --> 00:15:30,360 Speaker 1: No? 296 00:15:30,840 --> 00:15:33,320 Speaker 2: Damn? Okay, y'all are this is trying to make a 297 00:15:33,360 --> 00:15:40,040 Speaker 2: lot more sense. So in the home, what what do 298 00:15:40,120 --> 00:15:41,880 Speaker 2: you think is like the grossest thing? Wan in the 299 00:15:41,920 --> 00:15:42,360 Speaker 2: grossest thing? 300 00:15:42,440 --> 00:15:47,520 Speaker 1: Then I would imagine the toilet toilet? 301 00:15:47,920 --> 00:15:50,479 Speaker 3: What about like sink sink knobs. 302 00:15:50,320 --> 00:15:52,560 Speaker 2: Sink knobs, okay, a mirror? 303 00:15:54,720 --> 00:15:59,600 Speaker 1: Why I'm just throwing out things that are closer the sink, 304 00:16:00,600 --> 00:16:02,400 Speaker 1: dishes both? 305 00:16:03,560 --> 00:16:03,720 Speaker 6: Uh? 306 00:16:04,560 --> 00:16:06,920 Speaker 1: The sponge, yes, the sponge. 307 00:16:06,640 --> 00:16:12,480 Speaker 10: Yes, so our sponge is pretty disgusting. Most people's sponge 308 00:16:12,600 --> 00:16:17,880 Speaker 10: has more bacteria than our toilet stew. So we do 309 00:16:18,200 --> 00:16:21,280 Speaker 10: microwave our sponge after you know, washing our dishes. 310 00:16:21,400 --> 00:16:25,760 Speaker 2: All right, so micro gavey sponges. Yeah, we didn started 311 00:16:25,760 --> 00:16:28,200 Speaker 2: talking about stuff that we can be bringing into our homes. 312 00:16:28,360 --> 00:16:31,480 Speaker 2: I told her that I use puro wipes to wipe 313 00:16:31,520 --> 00:16:33,080 Speaker 2: Ally's feet before he comes in a house. 314 00:16:33,440 --> 00:16:35,760 Speaker 1: That's amazing. I mean, you're a very person. 315 00:16:36,720 --> 00:16:39,440 Speaker 2: She said that actually helps, and then that led to 316 00:16:39,520 --> 00:16:41,960 Speaker 2: a conversation about whether or not we should be wearing 317 00:16:41,960 --> 00:16:42,720 Speaker 2: our shoes in a home. 318 00:16:43,080 --> 00:16:45,720 Speaker 10: You're in an environment that perhaps you're leaving your shoes 319 00:16:45,720 --> 00:16:47,880 Speaker 10: at the at the front door then having it inside 320 00:16:47,920 --> 00:16:52,600 Speaker 10: and outside pair of shoes. We do that to some extent, 321 00:16:52,800 --> 00:16:55,800 Speaker 10: but like if we're unloading and loading groceries, we don't 322 00:16:55,840 --> 00:17:01,400 Speaker 10: go to that extreme. So we're not completely religious about it. 323 00:17:01,560 --> 00:17:05,520 Speaker 10: But we have on nice, you know, very comfy slipper 324 00:17:05,640 --> 00:17:07,800 Speaker 10: shoes that are inside outside shoes if we needed to 325 00:17:07,920 --> 00:17:10,199 Speaker 10: just you know, step out to pick up something at 326 00:17:10,240 --> 00:17:12,919 Speaker 10: the stoop type of thing, and then we have our 327 00:17:13,000 --> 00:17:15,800 Speaker 10: outside shoes. But like I said, we're not so particular 328 00:17:15,840 --> 00:17:17,280 Speaker 10: about it that if we had to go in and 329 00:17:17,320 --> 00:17:19,320 Speaker 10: out a hundred times that we're going to be taking. 330 00:17:19,080 --> 00:17:21,520 Speaker 2: Out office Yeah, every single time you're going out. Yeah 331 00:17:21,560 --> 00:17:23,600 Speaker 2: that's how now I am too, right, Like I try 332 00:17:23,640 --> 00:17:26,359 Speaker 2: to avoid wearing my shoes inside. But if it's like okay, 333 00:17:26,400 --> 00:17:27,920 Speaker 2: I just got to run and grab something. I'm not 334 00:17:27,960 --> 00:17:29,879 Speaker 2: going to take them off and put them all the 335 00:17:29,920 --> 00:17:33,440 Speaker 2: way back on and retime. Is it more so for you? 336 00:17:33,760 --> 00:17:35,960 Speaker 2: Is it a germs thing or is it more so 337 00:17:36,240 --> 00:17:39,159 Speaker 2: just like you know, if your shoes are dirty, you 338 00:17:39,240 --> 00:17:42,639 Speaker 2: can kind of see the footprints inside, right like it 339 00:17:42,720 --> 00:17:44,200 Speaker 2: shows up on a floor in a way that some 340 00:17:44,280 --> 00:17:46,720 Speaker 2: of these other germs do not. Is that sort of 341 00:17:47,040 --> 00:17:48,960 Speaker 2: you know, your consideration. 342 00:17:49,000 --> 00:17:51,360 Speaker 10: It's threefold. So it is the fact that I don't 343 00:17:51,359 --> 00:17:53,280 Speaker 10: want to be again, I don't want to be spending 344 00:17:53,320 --> 00:17:55,159 Speaker 10: time cleaning my house when I could be, you know, 345 00:17:55,359 --> 00:17:59,080 Speaker 10: enjoying life. So I want to minimize that. Definitely, germs 346 00:17:59,119 --> 00:18:02,160 Speaker 10: that we might be bringing in. And then also any 347 00:18:02,280 --> 00:18:04,639 Speaker 10: pollens or anything like this spring we had a really 348 00:18:04,680 --> 00:18:07,120 Speaker 10: big year with pollens. I know a lot of people 349 00:18:07,160 --> 00:18:09,159 Speaker 10: then bring the pollen in. It's all over there, you know, 350 00:18:09,240 --> 00:18:11,680 Speaker 10: their rugs, it's everything, and then they're wondering why they're 351 00:18:11,680 --> 00:18:13,679 Speaker 10: having such a hard time with pollen season. 352 00:18:14,520 --> 00:18:17,680 Speaker 1: We are currently recording this inside of my apartment, and 353 00:18:18,200 --> 00:18:20,600 Speaker 1: I resonate with what she just said because I'm someone 354 00:18:20,640 --> 00:18:23,000 Speaker 1: who loves to keep the floor as clean as possible. Now, 355 00:18:23,840 --> 00:18:25,280 Speaker 1: you know, as you look at it right now. I 356 00:18:25,320 --> 00:18:27,760 Speaker 1: haven't cleaned in a few days. But I try to 357 00:18:27,800 --> 00:18:29,639 Speaker 1: make it so that you can like walk around here 358 00:18:29,680 --> 00:18:31,520 Speaker 1: in your socks and you look at the bottom of 359 00:18:31,560 --> 00:18:35,800 Speaker 1: your socks and then yeah, so like I really value that. 360 00:18:35,920 --> 00:18:38,440 Speaker 1: And I actually just bought this insane electric mop. 361 00:18:38,560 --> 00:18:40,320 Speaker 3: This is how you know Manny needs a full time job. 362 00:18:44,119 --> 00:18:48,600 Speaker 2: All right, So now we're getting to the question, all right, 363 00:18:49,359 --> 00:18:56,760 Speaker 2: does the microbiologists where outside clothes on her bed? 364 00:18:57,240 --> 00:19:01,560 Speaker 10: I don't so, and it depends on what I'm wearing. 365 00:19:01,880 --> 00:19:05,240 Speaker 10: If I'm outside hiking, then I might actually have bird 366 00:19:05,280 --> 00:19:08,400 Speaker 10: poop on me and we were just photographing and turns 367 00:19:08,440 --> 00:19:10,720 Speaker 10: pooped on me. Definitely want to put those right into 368 00:19:10,760 --> 00:19:12,560 Speaker 10: the washer. Don't want to bring them into the bed. 369 00:19:13,080 --> 00:19:17,080 Speaker 10: So we tend to have clothes that we wear around 370 00:19:17,119 --> 00:19:21,280 Speaker 10: the house, just nice little comfy like sweatpants and T 371 00:19:21,440 --> 00:19:25,080 Speaker 10: shirts that tend to be my inside clothes. What I 372 00:19:25,160 --> 00:19:27,000 Speaker 10: wear to bed would be different than what I were 373 00:19:27,200 --> 00:19:30,080 Speaker 10: outside all day. And again from a point of view 374 00:19:30,119 --> 00:19:32,320 Speaker 10: too of depending on the season in fall and spring, 375 00:19:32,600 --> 00:19:34,800 Speaker 10: the amount of pollen that we could be bringing into 376 00:19:35,119 --> 00:19:38,560 Speaker 10: our beds. I want to have a nice, relaxing sleep. 377 00:19:38,800 --> 00:19:40,560 Speaker 10: I don't want to have to be bringing there's enough 378 00:19:40,600 --> 00:19:42,800 Speaker 10: problems with dust, smites and other things that could be 379 00:19:42,840 --> 00:19:45,520 Speaker 10: interfering with sleep. We don't need to be bringing pollen 380 00:19:46,119 --> 00:19:49,400 Speaker 10: into that equation as well. So to me, the outside 381 00:19:49,480 --> 00:19:52,800 Speaker 10: clothes don't belong, you know, in my bed by what 382 00:19:52,960 --> 00:19:56,520 Speaker 10: I keep the bed as you know, relaxing as possible 383 00:19:56,560 --> 00:19:58,720 Speaker 10: and not introduce things into that environment. 384 00:19:58,960 --> 00:20:01,320 Speaker 1: I'll say this, I'm being convinced by. 385 00:20:02,960 --> 00:20:03,480 Speaker 9: The like. 386 00:20:05,520 --> 00:20:09,399 Speaker 1: The sanctity of your sleep more so than like making 387 00:20:09,480 --> 00:20:11,600 Speaker 1: the bed dirty y because I will say it's like 388 00:20:11,840 --> 00:20:15,800 Speaker 1: she's talking about briefly mentioned like having bird people on 389 00:20:15,920 --> 00:20:19,720 Speaker 1: her or whatever. You know, even people who like to 390 00:20:20,600 --> 00:20:23,399 Speaker 1: have their outdoor clothes on their bed are they're not 391 00:20:23,440 --> 00:20:25,679 Speaker 1: gonna do it if there's literal shit on their clothes. 392 00:20:26,720 --> 00:20:29,560 Speaker 1: But when she's talking about like the pollen and stuff, 393 00:20:29,640 --> 00:20:31,880 Speaker 1: like I do sometimes have trouble sleeping. 394 00:20:31,760 --> 00:20:35,440 Speaker 2: So that's what she does. But I did ask her, like, 395 00:20:35,720 --> 00:20:39,120 Speaker 2: how bad is it in terms of like like you're saying, 396 00:20:39,280 --> 00:20:40,720 Speaker 2: is this just like a vibe thing? 397 00:20:41,040 --> 00:20:41,240 Speaker 4: Yeah? 398 00:20:41,480 --> 00:20:43,680 Speaker 2: Is there a concern that like there's germs that I'm 399 00:20:43,680 --> 00:20:46,080 Speaker 2: picking out throughout the day, could actually, you know, if 400 00:20:46,119 --> 00:20:47,919 Speaker 2: they get into my bed somehow make me. 401 00:20:48,000 --> 00:20:52,560 Speaker 10: Sick, not so much onto your bed per se, but 402 00:20:52,840 --> 00:20:54,479 Speaker 10: the fact that you could be touching them with your 403 00:20:54,520 --> 00:20:57,240 Speaker 10: hands and then touching your face. So you know, you're 404 00:20:57,440 --> 00:21:00,000 Speaker 10: you're you're thinking again of that fancy word I use 405 00:21:00,119 --> 00:21:03,520 Speaker 10: the beginning full mites inanimate objects that could be transferring 406 00:21:03,600 --> 00:21:06,399 Speaker 10: germs to us. Certainly, if we you know, sit in something, 407 00:21:06,560 --> 00:21:10,000 Speaker 10: touch something, you know, gerre exposed, and our pants legs 408 00:21:10,080 --> 00:21:12,720 Speaker 10: to something, we could then be bringing that into our home. 409 00:21:13,000 --> 00:21:15,119 Speaker 10: The more the concern is that we'd be touching that 410 00:21:15,240 --> 00:21:18,000 Speaker 10: with our hands and then touching our face. If you 411 00:21:18,080 --> 00:21:21,960 Speaker 10: think about something like influenza, it really I could dip 412 00:21:22,080 --> 00:21:24,560 Speaker 10: my hand in a five gallon bucket of influenza. I'm 413 00:21:24,600 --> 00:21:26,400 Speaker 10: not going to get the flu. I'm going to get 414 00:21:26,400 --> 00:21:28,840 Speaker 10: it by then touching my nose or my eyes or 415 00:21:28,960 --> 00:21:32,720 Speaker 10: you know, something along those lines. So the main modes 416 00:21:32,800 --> 00:21:34,760 Speaker 10: that we'd be getting something in is either breathing them 417 00:21:34,800 --> 00:21:37,639 Speaker 10: in or touching our faces or some kind of you know, 418 00:21:37,720 --> 00:21:40,280 Speaker 10: you're eating in bed and you know, bringing something into 419 00:21:40,359 --> 00:21:43,720 Speaker 10: your gastrointestinal system. Our skinned of a pretty good barrier 420 00:21:43,960 --> 00:21:48,560 Speaker 10: against most things. We're really thinking about more the portals 421 00:21:48,600 --> 00:21:51,280 Speaker 10: of entry being up in our head type, you know, 422 00:21:51,440 --> 00:21:53,160 Speaker 10: areas as the main problems. 423 00:21:53,440 --> 00:21:56,280 Speaker 2: One thing she talked about that she does, which I 424 00:21:56,400 --> 00:21:59,000 Speaker 2: started doing since I did this interview, is she puts 425 00:21:59,040 --> 00:22:04,359 Speaker 2: her pillows underneath her comforter so that there is a 426 00:22:04,600 --> 00:22:08,240 Speaker 2: barrier between the pillow. She talks about she has dogs, 427 00:22:08,560 --> 00:22:10,480 Speaker 2: and her dogs get on her bed and they're rubbing 428 00:22:10,520 --> 00:22:14,560 Speaker 2: against stuff because you know, you're laying your head on 429 00:22:14,680 --> 00:22:17,399 Speaker 2: your pillow, so that's your directly. You don't have to 430 00:22:17,480 --> 00:22:19,840 Speaker 2: touch your hand to your face, it's just you're laying 431 00:22:19,880 --> 00:22:22,480 Speaker 2: on it, so that that is a you know, maybe 432 00:22:22,520 --> 00:22:25,680 Speaker 2: if you both won't stop sitting on the bed with 433 00:22:25,760 --> 00:22:28,720 Speaker 2: your outside clothes, maybe you want to put your pillow, yeah, 434 00:22:28,880 --> 00:22:31,200 Speaker 2: underneath your comforter so that there's a little bit of 435 00:22:31,400 --> 00:22:32,000 Speaker 2: a barrier. 436 00:22:33,240 --> 00:22:36,280 Speaker 1: It's good to know that that's a lot cleaner and 437 00:22:36,320 --> 00:22:38,800 Speaker 1: a lot healthier. There's one huge problem with it, though, 438 00:22:38,880 --> 00:22:41,720 Speaker 1: why you don't get the cold side of your pillow, which. 439 00:22:41,560 --> 00:22:45,080 Speaker 2: Is so nice A good Yeah, So, Manny, you brought 440 00:22:45,160 --> 00:22:48,280 Speaker 2: up the fact that people like you know, me and Noah, 441 00:22:48,680 --> 00:22:51,080 Speaker 2: we have dogs, and you talked about other people in 442 00:22:51,200 --> 00:22:54,280 Speaker 2: your life who have dogs, and you accuse them of 443 00:22:54,359 --> 00:22:57,199 Speaker 2: being hypocrites because you're like, how are you coming at 444 00:22:57,240 --> 00:22:59,639 Speaker 2: me about this? And you have a dog. So we 445 00:22:59,720 --> 00:23:01,800 Speaker 2: talked about something that I do, which is I have 446 00:23:01,880 --> 00:23:05,080 Speaker 2: a linen cover on my bed which is the ali cover, 447 00:23:05,160 --> 00:23:07,159 Speaker 2: and he needs to stay on that cover because in 448 00:23:07,240 --> 00:23:09,920 Speaker 2: my mind that's like the toilet sea cover. Yeah, oh yeah, 449 00:23:10,000 --> 00:23:12,560 Speaker 2: and that's the separation that makes sense. Does that cover 450 00:23:12,840 --> 00:23:15,879 Speaker 2: actually do anything in terms of germs? 451 00:23:16,480 --> 00:23:18,960 Speaker 10: It kind of depends on how you're using it. At 452 00:23:19,040 --> 00:23:22,360 Speaker 10: least isn't going to be them on my pillow, them 453 00:23:22,400 --> 00:23:27,280 Speaker 10: on my sheets. I can wash that particular one as 454 00:23:27,400 --> 00:23:30,360 Speaker 10: often as I need to wash it. So the fact 455 00:23:30,359 --> 00:23:31,680 Speaker 10: that I can clean it more often. I have a 456 00:23:31,720 --> 00:23:34,000 Speaker 10: couple of them, so I can easily rotate them in 457 00:23:34,080 --> 00:23:35,040 Speaker 10: and out for washing them. 458 00:23:35,160 --> 00:23:35,360 Speaker 1: Yeah. 459 00:23:35,640 --> 00:23:38,119 Speaker 2: And so you're saying there's not much are you Are 460 00:23:38,160 --> 00:23:41,120 Speaker 2: we gonna see much of a transfer of those germs 461 00:23:41,440 --> 00:23:44,400 Speaker 2: to the germs sort of like because in my mind, 462 00:23:44,400 --> 00:23:46,280 Speaker 2: I'm like, oh, it's a separation. Those germs aren't going 463 00:23:46,359 --> 00:23:48,040 Speaker 2: to make it on you, Like you're saying, like onto 464 00:23:48,119 --> 00:23:51,560 Speaker 2: my pillow into the lower layers of the bed. Is 465 00:23:51,640 --> 00:23:52,480 Speaker 2: that true? 466 00:23:52,520 --> 00:23:56,040 Speaker 10: They're not really crawling around there, They're not There are 467 00:23:56,119 --> 00:24:02,280 Speaker 10: germs that would be Morgan contact germs would It's not impossible, 468 00:24:02,359 --> 00:24:05,480 Speaker 10: but it's not likely that that's going to be something. 469 00:24:05,560 --> 00:24:07,879 Speaker 10: So I guess from an outside clothed point of view, 470 00:24:07,920 --> 00:24:09,800 Speaker 10: if you put them on, if you didn't have a dog, 471 00:24:09,880 --> 00:24:13,200 Speaker 10: and you had a comforter on top of your regular comforter, 472 00:24:14,160 --> 00:24:16,080 Speaker 10: that would be able to catch the germs and the 473 00:24:16,200 --> 00:24:19,440 Speaker 10: pollen and things like that as well. But if I 474 00:24:19,480 --> 00:24:20,800 Speaker 10: didn't have a dog, that would be a lot of 475 00:24:20,880 --> 00:24:24,399 Speaker 10: extra work. It would just be easier the out cyclones. 476 00:24:25,280 --> 00:24:28,399 Speaker 1: Wait, that's really insightful. Actually, I did think germs just 477 00:24:28,520 --> 00:24:30,440 Speaker 1: kind of were going on running arounds and stuff. 478 00:24:30,520 --> 00:24:34,040 Speaker 2: Another thing that Manny brought up was, man you thought 479 00:24:34,040 --> 00:24:38,560 Speaker 2: it was ridiculous. You talked about a former flame being set. 480 00:24:39,240 --> 00:24:42,840 Speaker 2: You sat on the bed for five seconds. Is there 481 00:24:43,000 --> 00:24:45,600 Speaker 2: like a five second rule when it comes to you 482 00:24:45,680 --> 00:24:47,359 Speaker 2: know how long someone is to be sitting on your 483 00:24:47,400 --> 00:24:50,680 Speaker 2: bed before that? Those germs transfers are pretty immediate. 484 00:24:50,440 --> 00:24:52,720 Speaker 10: Pretty immediate. First of all, the five second rule was 485 00:24:52,800 --> 00:24:56,200 Speaker 10: debunked MythBusters something long ago. If your lollipop foles in 486 00:24:56,240 --> 00:24:59,359 Speaker 10: the kitchen floor, don't eat it. Certainly, the longer and 487 00:24:59,480 --> 00:25:02,440 Speaker 10: the more jostling you're doing on your bed. The more 488 00:25:02,560 --> 00:25:04,560 Speaker 10: you're going to get transfer going on if you sat 489 00:25:04,600 --> 00:25:07,680 Speaker 10: down for fifteen seconds versus if you laid and rolled over, 490 00:25:07,920 --> 00:25:10,920 Speaker 10: you're going to be transferring more pollen and germs over. 491 00:25:12,080 --> 00:25:14,720 Speaker 10: I guess I would probably think of it as the 492 00:25:14,800 --> 00:25:18,520 Speaker 10: same way of my shoes, Like, we're not ridiculous about it. 493 00:25:18,640 --> 00:25:21,400 Speaker 10: So if I had to, you know, I was outside 494 00:25:21,440 --> 00:25:22,920 Speaker 10: and doing a bunch of things that I had to 495 00:25:22,960 --> 00:25:25,960 Speaker 10: come in and sit on my bed and change something 496 00:25:26,119 --> 00:25:29,160 Speaker 10: or do something, I probably wouldn't, like immediately think about 497 00:25:29,520 --> 00:25:33,520 Speaker 10: cleaning my bedding because it would be a short period 498 00:25:33,600 --> 00:25:36,280 Speaker 10: of time. But I don't think there's a finite line 499 00:25:36,320 --> 00:25:38,480 Speaker 10: that you could say, Okay, if it's less than fifteen seconds, 500 00:25:38,520 --> 00:25:41,840 Speaker 10: you're good, or a period of time, it would be 501 00:25:41,960 --> 00:25:45,760 Speaker 10: accumulative over time. For pollen, any kind of molds or 502 00:25:46,960 --> 00:25:50,600 Speaker 10: any kind of fungus could be immediate. Bacteria kind of 503 00:25:50,680 --> 00:25:53,720 Speaker 10: depends on you know, how much and is it wet 504 00:25:53,800 --> 00:25:58,080 Speaker 10: or is it dry, So their time could play a factor. 505 00:25:58,280 --> 00:26:00,680 Speaker 10: So I would say, if this person is saying that, 506 00:26:00,800 --> 00:26:02,520 Speaker 10: you know, they sat on their bed for fifteen seconds 507 00:26:02,520 --> 00:26:04,879 Speaker 10: and now they felt compelled to wash, they're betting I 508 00:26:04,920 --> 00:26:09,159 Speaker 10: wouldn't go to that extreme, certainly, But at the same time, 509 00:26:09,200 --> 00:26:11,639 Speaker 10: I wouldn't want to be jostling on the bed and 510 00:26:11,880 --> 00:26:15,640 Speaker 10: clothes that I wore outside for a night eat. 511 00:26:16,119 --> 00:26:23,760 Speaker 1: I would like to apologize. Well, I agree with with 512 00:26:24,119 --> 00:26:27,600 Speaker 1: the microbiologists here that like she wouldn't go nuts if 513 00:26:27,720 --> 00:26:29,840 Speaker 1: someone just sat there for five seconds. But yeah, I 514 00:26:29,880 --> 00:26:32,240 Speaker 1: did kind of think, like, oh, I'm just gonna be 515 00:26:32,280 --> 00:26:35,399 Speaker 1: here for a little bit. The germs are gonna be fine. 516 00:26:35,720 --> 00:26:36,960 Speaker 3: They're they'll come back with me. 517 00:26:37,119 --> 00:26:38,720 Speaker 1: Yeah, they're gonna be on me for the most part 518 00:26:38,840 --> 00:26:39,439 Speaker 1: of my clothes. 519 00:26:39,560 --> 00:26:40,560 Speaker 2: They're still shilling with you. 520 00:26:40,920 --> 00:26:41,160 Speaker 6: Yeah. 521 00:26:41,920 --> 00:26:45,200 Speaker 1: I didn't realize how quickly they could go pretty immediate. 522 00:26:45,400 --> 00:26:47,240 Speaker 2: Yeah, And like she says, you know, I'm saying alonger 523 00:26:47,280 --> 00:26:50,919 Speaker 2: that you're sitting on the bed the board drooms are 524 00:26:51,000 --> 00:26:55,160 Speaker 2: being transferred. But it's it's there's no fifteen second rule. 525 00:26:55,320 --> 00:26:57,400 Speaker 2: There's no five second rule. And if you sit down, 526 00:26:57,520 --> 00:27:01,840 Speaker 2: the germs can start out immediately and going on to bed. 527 00:27:02,080 --> 00:27:04,640 Speaker 1: That is a funny rule. Like I wonder where it came. 528 00:27:04,760 --> 00:27:07,960 Speaker 1: It must be just like pure human copo. Oh yeah, 529 00:27:08,400 --> 00:27:09,600 Speaker 1: I really want to eat this thing. 530 00:27:10,000 --> 00:27:14,560 Speaker 4: I will say saying lollipop is is more extreme than 531 00:27:14,800 --> 00:27:15,520 Speaker 4: many other foods. 532 00:27:15,560 --> 00:27:16,359 Speaker 3: That are less sticky. 533 00:27:17,200 --> 00:27:19,960 Speaker 2: You know what I'm saying, Like, I just trying to 534 00:27:19,960 --> 00:27:21,120 Speaker 2: tell you eat stuff off the floor. 535 00:27:21,960 --> 00:27:23,560 Speaker 4: I'm not even saying that, but I'm just saying a 536 00:27:23,760 --> 00:27:27,119 Speaker 4: chip versus a you know, hard candy that's already been 537 00:27:27,480 --> 00:27:30,439 Speaker 4: You're eating a chip off the floor, bro, If I mean, 538 00:27:30,840 --> 00:27:31,960 Speaker 4: I would rather do that than a. 539 00:27:32,640 --> 00:27:35,119 Speaker 2: I'm not saying rather, if you drop a chip on 540 00:27:35,200 --> 00:27:35,960 Speaker 2: the floor, you eat. 541 00:27:36,080 --> 00:27:36,520 Speaker 3: On the floor. 542 00:27:37,160 --> 00:27:42,240 Speaker 2: If Manny's mom, I'm not eating a chip off any floor, 543 00:27:42,480 --> 00:27:43,280 Speaker 2: not a chip. 544 00:27:44,680 --> 00:27:48,480 Speaker 4: A freshly mopped floor. And I drop a single potato chip, 545 00:27:49,520 --> 00:27:51,920 Speaker 4: It's in clear space. How hungry are you just throw 546 00:27:51,960 --> 00:27:53,040 Speaker 4: it out? It's just one chip. 547 00:27:53,280 --> 00:27:58,240 Speaker 3: It's not about it's not about that. I'm gonna have 548 00:27:58,240 --> 00:28:00,479 Speaker 3: to pick it up either. What No, It's like if 549 00:28:00,520 --> 00:28:02,560 Speaker 3: I dropped like so what would you what are you 550 00:28:02,600 --> 00:28:03,640 Speaker 3: gonna get off? Like a fruit? 551 00:28:03,800 --> 00:28:06,760 Speaker 2: Like a fruit? Because it's like if I drop like 552 00:28:06,840 --> 00:28:09,680 Speaker 2: an apple on the floor, right, it's like, Okay, I 553 00:28:09,680 --> 00:28:14,240 Speaker 2: don't want to throw out the whole apple. That's it off? 554 00:28:15,080 --> 00:28:17,639 Speaker 3: You comment it off or have you already bitten the apple? 555 00:28:18,880 --> 00:28:19,800 Speaker 2: Yes? And its situation? 556 00:28:19,960 --> 00:28:21,280 Speaker 3: Yes, that's interesting. 557 00:28:22,520 --> 00:28:24,880 Speaker 2: So Yeah, the point of that was if you sit 558 00:28:25,000 --> 00:28:28,639 Speaker 2: on the bed for five seconds or four seconds, it's 559 00:28:28,680 --> 00:28:33,440 Speaker 2: still germs, pretty immediate, but it is still cumulative. And 560 00:28:33,560 --> 00:28:37,960 Speaker 2: then another piece of pushback that y'all had was about couches. 561 00:28:38,640 --> 00:28:38,960 Speaker 6: M M. 562 00:28:39,240 --> 00:28:42,240 Speaker 2: Yeah. So we're recording this podcast and Many's apartment right now. 563 00:28:43,480 --> 00:28:46,840 Speaker 2: Noah is an outside guess he is sitting on your couch, 564 00:28:47,160 --> 00:28:50,080 Speaker 2: and Noah is wearing his outside clothes on your couch, 565 00:28:51,080 --> 00:28:52,120 Speaker 2: and so are. 566 00:28:52,600 --> 00:28:54,320 Speaker 1: Make you feel this is where you're supposed to sit. 567 00:28:54,840 --> 00:28:58,280 Speaker 2: So your pushback was, if people are so freaked out 568 00:28:58,440 --> 00:29:01,160 Speaker 2: about outside clothes and their why don't they have that 569 00:29:01,360 --> 00:29:03,240 Speaker 2: same energy when it comes to their couches. 570 00:29:03,600 --> 00:29:06,200 Speaker 10: If I was coming home in dress clothes, I probably 571 00:29:06,280 --> 00:29:08,960 Speaker 10: would change into my inside clothes before sitting on the couch. 572 00:29:09,040 --> 00:29:12,080 Speaker 10: So I probably would for me personally do the same thing. 573 00:29:12,320 --> 00:29:14,640 Speaker 10: But obviously we can't require our guests to come in 574 00:29:14,760 --> 00:29:19,600 Speaker 10: and you know, here's here's your inside clothes, so for get. 575 00:29:19,720 --> 00:29:22,080 Speaker 10: But I guess the biggest difference is, you know, we're 576 00:29:22,160 --> 00:29:25,640 Speaker 10: spending you know, hopefully six hours a night on your 577 00:29:25,720 --> 00:29:28,280 Speaker 10: bed in a sleep that you want to be a 578 00:29:28,400 --> 00:29:31,960 Speaker 10: restorative sleep, versus when you're sitting in your couch, you're 579 00:29:32,000 --> 00:29:35,120 Speaker 10: not kind of I don't know, it's not the same 580 00:29:35,320 --> 00:29:38,040 Speaker 10: mechanism by which you're lying on the couch, and the 581 00:29:38,160 --> 00:29:41,640 Speaker 10: intimacy with your couch isn't quite the same for most people. 582 00:29:41,880 --> 00:29:46,320 Speaker 10: I try to like vacuum my couch. I do once 583 00:29:46,360 --> 00:29:50,480 Speaker 10: a year, try to kind of like a steam type 584 00:29:50,520 --> 00:29:52,959 Speaker 10: of a clean. But that's not really for germs. It's 585 00:29:53,000 --> 00:29:55,560 Speaker 10: again probably because I have dogs. I do have a 586 00:29:55,720 --> 00:29:58,280 Speaker 10: throw on the couch that the dogs are allowed on, 587 00:29:58,520 --> 00:30:02,200 Speaker 10: so that gets you know, washed ver regularly. But I think, 588 00:30:02,320 --> 00:30:04,600 Speaker 10: you know, if you have I guess guests that are 589 00:30:04,680 --> 00:30:08,040 Speaker 10: coming in from hiking and they're gonna be spending eight 590 00:30:08,120 --> 00:30:11,920 Speaker 10: hours on your couch, I probably would, you know, feel 591 00:30:11,960 --> 00:30:14,240 Speaker 10: a little weird that they might be transferring this. But 592 00:30:14,400 --> 00:30:16,160 Speaker 10: how often are they doing that? I do doing that 593 00:30:16,280 --> 00:30:18,560 Speaker 10: once versus on our bed. We could be doing this 594 00:30:18,760 --> 00:30:20,200 Speaker 10: every day, day in and day out. 595 00:30:20,720 --> 00:30:24,880 Speaker 1: Okay, So basically she's saying that it is just as dirty. 596 00:30:25,040 --> 00:30:28,120 Speaker 1: But there's two differences. One, you're not really putting your 597 00:30:28,160 --> 00:30:30,800 Speaker 1: face on the couch. Not they're sleeping too. It's like 598 00:30:31,000 --> 00:30:34,120 Speaker 1: not as intimate a space. It's a different it has 599 00:30:34,160 --> 00:30:37,880 Speaker 1: a different purpose exactly. So if you're someone who needs 600 00:30:37,920 --> 00:30:39,600 Speaker 1: to change their clothes before they go on their bed. 601 00:30:39,680 --> 00:30:41,760 Speaker 1: I can see why that's different than your couch. 602 00:30:41,920 --> 00:30:44,760 Speaker 2: I'll concede many or no one of you brought up 603 00:30:45,280 --> 00:30:48,560 Speaker 2: people are so freaked out about outside clothes. So what 604 00:30:48,680 --> 00:30:52,720 Speaker 2: if I take off the clothes, I'm still dirty outside 605 00:30:52,800 --> 00:30:54,000 Speaker 2: body getting into bed. Yeah. 606 00:30:54,160 --> 00:30:56,959 Speaker 10: I guess it depends on what you've been doing. If 607 00:30:57,000 --> 00:31:02,320 Speaker 10: you've been outside doing any kind of work or athletic activities, 608 00:31:02,480 --> 00:31:06,560 Speaker 10: or inside working out your sweat. Bacteria love sweat. They 609 00:31:06,720 --> 00:31:09,680 Speaker 10: just kind of like that's like, uh, you know, red 610 00:31:09,720 --> 00:31:11,640 Speaker 10: Bull for them. They just like, hey, you know, we're 611 00:31:11,720 --> 00:31:14,000 Speaker 10: just gonna go to town. So if you were really 612 00:31:14,280 --> 00:31:17,400 Speaker 10: sweaty there, it would be a benefit of showering before 613 00:31:17,480 --> 00:31:20,680 Speaker 10: you got into the sheets because over time, all of 614 00:31:20,760 --> 00:31:23,160 Speaker 10: that sweat that is going to allow this breeding ground 615 00:31:23,360 --> 00:31:26,880 Speaker 10: for for a bacteria to happen. But for an average 616 00:31:26,920 --> 00:31:29,760 Speaker 10: person that's kind of going into an air conditioned, you know, 617 00:31:29,840 --> 00:31:32,600 Speaker 10: workplace and then coming home. I wouldn't say there'd be 618 00:31:32,640 --> 00:31:33,720 Speaker 10: any need to do that. 619 00:31:34,080 --> 00:31:35,360 Speaker 3: That attracks with me. That makes sense. 620 00:31:35,520 --> 00:31:42,120 Speaker 4: Yeah, I accept that answer, this one, trust the Yeah, yeah, yeah, 621 00:31:42,160 --> 00:31:44,480 Speaker 4: but that makes total sense that the clothes are a 622 00:31:44,520 --> 00:31:45,920 Speaker 4: pretty good safeguard. 623 00:31:45,840 --> 00:31:49,120 Speaker 2: All right, We've talked a lot about making our beds dirty. 624 00:31:50,320 --> 00:31:52,240 Speaker 2: But how often are we cleaning our sheets? 625 00:31:52,520 --> 00:31:54,240 Speaker 1: Now, that's a question I think is going to be 626 00:31:54,440 --> 00:31:55,640 Speaker 1: there's gonna be a lot of range. 627 00:31:55,840 --> 00:31:59,760 Speaker 2: Yes, how often are we washing our sheets? Fellas? 628 00:32:01,240 --> 00:32:08,000 Speaker 1: Be honest, No one wants to want to start. Yeah, yeah, 629 00:32:08,000 --> 00:32:09,400 Speaker 1: you're starting on basically. 630 00:32:09,560 --> 00:32:12,840 Speaker 2: Laundry once a week. So I washed my sheets once 631 00:32:12,840 --> 00:32:15,840 Speaker 2: a week. I also have like four pairs of sheets, 632 00:32:15,880 --> 00:32:18,080 Speaker 2: so I wrote, even if I'm not washing that sheet, 633 00:32:18,160 --> 00:32:20,240 Speaker 2: I just switch them out once a week. 634 00:32:20,920 --> 00:32:24,280 Speaker 1: I would say many times more than this, but I'm 635 00:32:24,280 --> 00:32:25,200 Speaker 1: talking about the minimum. 636 00:32:25,520 --> 00:32:28,600 Speaker 2: Yes, is once a month? Once a month, yeah, minimum. 637 00:32:29,080 --> 00:32:33,040 Speaker 1: Sometimes we'll go more, sometimes we go left. Why do 638 00:32:33,080 --> 00:32:33,960 Speaker 1: you ask why? 639 00:32:34,600 --> 00:32:35,920 Speaker 2: I asked because I asked. 640 00:32:36,360 --> 00:32:37,080 Speaker 3: This is a good question. 641 00:32:37,880 --> 00:32:40,520 Speaker 2: How often we should be watching that, especially if you're 642 00:32:40,520 --> 00:32:42,560 Speaker 2: gonna be sitting on your damn Yeah. 643 00:32:42,520 --> 00:32:44,800 Speaker 1: That to me is way more important than someone's sitting 644 00:32:44,840 --> 00:32:47,440 Speaker 1: on top on top with your clothes. 645 00:32:47,360 --> 00:32:50,760 Speaker 2: Especially the sheets. Are getting real intimate with your sheets. Yeah, yeah, 646 00:32:51,520 --> 00:32:52,720 Speaker 2: she said, once a week is good. 647 00:32:52,960 --> 00:32:55,680 Speaker 10: You know, to do it more often than that sometimes, 648 00:32:55,720 --> 00:32:57,880 Speaker 10: then if we give ourselfs too stringent a thing, then 649 00:32:57,920 --> 00:32:59,440 Speaker 10: we don't do it at all. That it kind of 650 00:32:59,480 --> 00:33:00,600 Speaker 10: backfire on us. 651 00:33:00,960 --> 00:33:03,760 Speaker 2: Another question for you, are we washing on hot. 652 00:33:05,600 --> 00:33:07,320 Speaker 1: Now because I'm afraid that they shrink? 653 00:33:07,520 --> 00:33:09,320 Speaker 2: I asked doctor Lisa. 654 00:33:09,200 --> 00:33:11,440 Speaker 10: And she said, with betting, I still still with hot. 655 00:33:11,480 --> 00:33:14,320 Speaker 10: So all the clothes you're washing them more often, you're 656 00:33:14,360 --> 00:33:16,520 Speaker 10: not allowing that to be able to accumulate. If I 657 00:33:16,560 --> 00:33:18,880 Speaker 10: guess if you were watching your betting every day, which 658 00:33:18,880 --> 00:33:21,680 Speaker 10: I wouldn't recommend, I would feel more comfortable on gold, 659 00:33:22,480 --> 00:33:25,600 Speaker 10: but washing it once a week, I would prefer hot. 660 00:33:25,760 --> 00:33:28,600 Speaker 10: And then also we're thinking now of also dust mites. 661 00:33:28,800 --> 00:33:30,840 Speaker 10: And if you think your pillow gets heavier and heavier 662 00:33:30,920 --> 00:33:33,800 Speaker 10: and heavier over time, why it's because of all the 663 00:33:33,880 --> 00:33:36,080 Speaker 10: dust might poop that is making your mattress and your 664 00:33:36,120 --> 00:33:39,640 Speaker 10: pillow heavier over time. So by washing once a week 665 00:33:39,720 --> 00:33:42,160 Speaker 10: and using hot, especially in the in the driver, you're 666 00:33:42,160 --> 00:33:44,840 Speaker 10: also killing off any dust mites. That's going to help 667 00:33:44,880 --> 00:33:47,840 Speaker 10: you with allergies, and that's going to help you with 668 00:33:48,360 --> 00:33:51,240 Speaker 10: just over all your level of sleep and keeping that 669 00:33:51,400 --> 00:33:54,000 Speaker 10: pillow not from gaining so much weight over time. 670 00:33:54,600 --> 00:33:58,120 Speaker 1: But don't we run into a convenience problem where like 671 00:33:58,680 --> 00:34:01,920 Speaker 1: I wash my shirt with hot water by accident, I 672 00:34:01,960 --> 00:34:04,640 Speaker 1: can't run that shirt. Again, it's too small. What if 673 00:34:04,680 --> 00:34:09,400 Speaker 1: you know these beds are already so the the the undersheet, 674 00:34:09,440 --> 00:34:10,400 Speaker 1: it's shrinks. 675 00:34:10,440 --> 00:34:15,879 Speaker 2: It's over. Okay, Doctor Lisa is not here to talk 676 00:34:15,920 --> 00:34:21,359 Speaker 2: about care instructions on your on your bedding, all right, 677 00:34:21,440 --> 00:34:23,080 Speaker 2: So if you want to look at the care instructions 678 00:34:23,160 --> 00:34:24,480 Speaker 2: on your bedding, if you want to follow that, you 679 00:34:24,520 --> 00:34:26,919 Speaker 2: want to follow that. We're talking about the science, she says. 680 00:34:26,960 --> 00:34:29,040 Speaker 2: The science says you need to wash it on hot. 681 00:34:32,840 --> 00:34:36,480 Speaker 2: And now it's time for our experiment. We sent swabs 682 00:34:36,480 --> 00:34:38,880 Speaker 2: to a lab to see just how dirty our outside 683 00:34:38,920 --> 00:34:41,400 Speaker 2: clothes are and to see if those germs are actually 684 00:34:41,480 --> 00:34:46,000 Speaker 2: being transferred to our beds. Swab one dirty jeans. These 685 00:34:46,040 --> 00:34:47,719 Speaker 2: are a pair of jeans that I've worn for the 686 00:34:47,800 --> 00:34:51,960 Speaker 2: last couple of weeks and haven't washed. Swab two queen jeans. 687 00:34:52,120 --> 00:34:54,479 Speaker 2: These are the same pair of jeans after being washed 688 00:34:54,520 --> 00:34:58,600 Speaker 2: and dried on hot. Swap three dirty bedding for one week. 689 00:34:58,800 --> 00:35:00,880 Speaker 2: I spent five to ten minutes today sitting on the 690 00:35:00,960 --> 00:35:04,239 Speaker 2: bed with my outside clothes about four clean better to 691 00:35:04,280 --> 00:35:07,600 Speaker 2: that same betting after being washed and dried on hot. 692 00:35:10,080 --> 00:35:12,359 Speaker 2: Now here are the results from the lab. 693 00:35:12,920 --> 00:35:13,440 Speaker 3: I can't wait. 694 00:35:15,480 --> 00:35:22,400 Speaker 2: The dirty jeans and dirty bedding had elevated bacteria levels okay, 695 00:35:22,920 --> 00:35:26,040 Speaker 2: and yeast in mold, east. 696 00:35:25,840 --> 00:35:30,319 Speaker 1: In mold, Yes, that's tough to hear. 697 00:35:31,280 --> 00:35:36,479 Speaker 2: Mold washing those really reduced the numbers, if not zero, 698 00:35:37,360 --> 00:35:40,960 Speaker 2: close to it. So the lab said it's likely that 699 00:35:41,200 --> 00:35:43,920 Speaker 2: the genes worn outside were exposed to bacteria and then 700 00:35:44,000 --> 00:35:47,800 Speaker 2: sitting on the bed with those genes transferred that bacteria 701 00:35:47,880 --> 00:35:51,600 Speaker 2: to the bed and then obviously washing them greatly reduce 702 00:35:51,760 --> 00:35:54,680 Speaker 2: the amount of bacteria you're exposed to hear. I will 703 00:35:54,760 --> 00:36:01,160 Speaker 2: say good news perhaps is that some of the more 704 00:36:01,200 --> 00:36:05,400 Speaker 2: extreme stuff like staff Ecola and Semonela were not detected 705 00:36:05,880 --> 00:36:09,520 Speaker 2: on the clean or dirty samples. Doctor Lisa was surprised 706 00:36:09,600 --> 00:36:12,239 Speaker 2: by that. You know, we didn't go through her life 707 00:36:12,280 --> 00:36:14,480 Speaker 2: for this experiment. She's like, that was a bit surprising. 708 00:36:14,560 --> 00:36:17,080 Speaker 2: She said that could have been the way that the 709 00:36:17,239 --> 00:36:22,080 Speaker 2: lab cultured the swabs. But that being said, I asked 710 00:36:22,120 --> 00:36:24,560 Speaker 2: her what her takeaways were, because I know, I break 711 00:36:24,640 --> 00:36:26,719 Speaker 2: thing was like, is any of this stuff gonna make 712 00:36:26,760 --> 00:36:29,279 Speaker 2: you sick? But this stuff, it's kind of hard to tell. 713 00:36:29,440 --> 00:36:32,160 Speaker 2: We don't have we didn't have anything that was like 714 00:36:32,400 --> 00:36:36,800 Speaker 2: this will definitely make you sick, so it's gonna be 715 00:36:36,960 --> 00:36:38,840 Speaker 2: how long are you exposed to that? What are you 716 00:36:39,120 --> 00:36:41,680 Speaker 2: you know, what is touching that? What is your immune levels? 717 00:36:41,920 --> 00:36:44,560 Speaker 2: That sort of thing. But her big takeaways was like 718 00:36:44,719 --> 00:36:49,640 Speaker 2: who wants alergies, moldonisee, allergae inducing dust mite poop or 719 00:36:49,719 --> 00:36:52,959 Speaker 2: the chance of getting sick or MRSA. Yeah, she said, 720 00:36:52,960 --> 00:36:56,120 Speaker 2: don't wear your outside, closing your bed and then wash 721 00:36:56,160 --> 00:37:05,839 Speaker 2: your bedding weekly. That that was her takeaway. Well, either 722 00:37:05,920 --> 00:37:07,600 Speaker 2: or one of you changed the way you live your 723 00:37:07,640 --> 00:37:10,839 Speaker 2: lives now now that there are numbers associated with it. Right, 724 00:37:10,920 --> 00:37:13,480 Speaker 2: it's not just like, oh, this feels like it's dirtier, 725 00:37:13,600 --> 00:37:15,240 Speaker 2: like we have now numbered proof. 726 00:37:16,000 --> 00:37:16,239 Speaker 7: Yeah. 727 00:37:16,360 --> 00:37:21,759 Speaker 3: Like to be honest, no, I will say I might 728 00:37:21,800 --> 00:37:22,960 Speaker 3: gave my sponge the other day. 729 00:37:23,080 --> 00:37:26,040 Speaker 4: Okay, oh nice, Okay, it'll probably cross my mind now, 730 00:37:26,080 --> 00:37:29,040 Speaker 4: and maybe I will pause and change before I sit 731 00:37:29,120 --> 00:37:30,920 Speaker 4: for a minute on the bed before going about my 732 00:37:31,040 --> 00:37:33,440 Speaker 4: day if I come home. But it's not going to 733 00:37:33,480 --> 00:37:36,600 Speaker 4: be I'm not going to freak out if if I 734 00:37:36,680 --> 00:37:40,279 Speaker 4: do sit there, or if someone else does. Like, again, 735 00:37:40,320 --> 00:37:43,719 Speaker 4: I've made it this far. I'll probably be able to 736 00:37:43,800 --> 00:37:47,799 Speaker 4: make it another couple of years, you know. 737 00:37:47,960 --> 00:37:50,839 Speaker 2: A couple of years, all right? Okay? Man, Yeah, many. 738 00:37:50,880 --> 00:37:51,600 Speaker 2: Are you gonna change. 739 00:37:51,680 --> 00:37:54,480 Speaker 1: Yeah, I can see myself doing it a little less frequently, 740 00:37:55,160 --> 00:37:59,360 Speaker 1: but never in a situation where I'm like quitting cold 741 00:37:59,440 --> 00:38:01,160 Speaker 1: Turkey was really about convenience. 742 00:38:01,440 --> 00:38:04,080 Speaker 4: I'll probably try to wash my betting more like stuff 743 00:38:04,160 --> 00:38:05,960 Speaker 4: like that. Like stuff like that, it's going to be 744 00:38:06,040 --> 00:38:08,480 Speaker 4: more top of mind than like the sitting on the 745 00:38:08,520 --> 00:38:11,399 Speaker 4: bed thing is just seeing and even from what we've learned, 746 00:38:12,040 --> 00:38:15,319 Speaker 4: doesn't really even see. Even given your bringing mold or whatever, 747 00:38:15,360 --> 00:38:16,920 Speaker 4: it doesn't seem to be that big of an issue. 748 00:38:17,080 --> 00:38:21,000 Speaker 2: Like imagine if I had done that for you know, 749 00:38:21,760 --> 00:38:23,080 Speaker 2: a couple of weeks. 750 00:38:23,120 --> 00:38:27,800 Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah, and your bedding, yes, So that that seems 751 00:38:27,800 --> 00:38:29,600 Speaker 4: a lot more critical. And it seems like the experts 752 00:38:29,640 --> 00:38:32,000 Speaker 4: would probably agree with that as far as best. 753 00:38:32,480 --> 00:38:34,000 Speaker 3: If you're only going to do one thing or a 754 00:38:34,080 --> 00:38:36,160 Speaker 3: few things, that it should be up. 755 00:38:36,239 --> 00:38:38,520 Speaker 2: Yeah. If you're going to continue to center your post, 756 00:38:38,600 --> 00:38:41,160 Speaker 2: you should maybe wash your sheets more often. 757 00:38:41,280 --> 00:38:42,680 Speaker 3: Yeah, I can allow. I can allow for that. 758 00:38:43,080 --> 00:38:46,040 Speaker 1: There's no no such thing, such thing. 759 00:38:48,200 --> 00:38:49,040 Speaker 6: Such thing. 760 00:38:50,160 --> 00:38:52,960 Speaker 2: No such thing was produced by Manny Finel, Noah Friedman 761 00:38:53,120 --> 00:38:58,760 Speaker 2: and Me, Devin Joseph. Theme song by Many. Special thanks 762 00:38:58,840 --> 00:39:02,759 Speaker 2: to our guest this week, doctor Lisa Kuchara and the 763 00:39:02,880 --> 00:39:07,960 Speaker 2: Contract Testing Laboratories of America for actually helping us conduct 764 00:39:08,000 --> 00:39:10,840 Speaker 2: this experiment. We're gonna put the full results to our 765 00:39:10,920 --> 00:39:14,319 Speaker 2: experiment on our website, so that's no such thing not show. 766 00:39:14,560 --> 00:39:16,919 Speaker 2: Also just link to it in our show notes. Shout 767 00:39:16,960 --> 00:39:19,960 Speaker 2: out to Jordan Billman. That was our first episode from 768 00:39:20,000 --> 00:39:23,080 Speaker 2: our listener submitted question. So if you have something you 769 00:39:23,160 --> 00:39:25,719 Speaker 2: want us to get to the bottom of, email us 770 00:39:25,800 --> 00:39:30,160 Speaker 2: at Manny noahdevinat gmail dot com. We'll also put that 771 00:39:30,280 --> 00:39:32,840 Speaker 2: in the show notes. All right, next week on No 772 00:39:33,040 --> 00:39:35,560 Speaker 2: such thing is letterbox ruining movies? 773 00:39:36,080 --> 00:39:37,480 Speaker 1: Right now, I've got to give it, I think a 774 00:39:37,560 --> 00:39:38,239 Speaker 1: one point five. 775 00:39:38,719 --> 00:39:41,320 Speaker 2: Damn Yeah, you said a lot of it is pretty 776 00:39:41,400 --> 00:39:43,480 Speaker 2: hideous to me. That's crazy.