1 00:00:03,960 --> 00:00:11,720 Speaker 1: It's that time, time, time, time, Luck and Load. Michael 2 00:00:11,800 --> 00:00:18,320 Speaker 1: Verie Show is on the air, even some of these 3 00:00:18,320 --> 00:00:18,680 Speaker 1: our guests. 4 00:00:18,680 --> 00:00:21,799 Speaker 2: As a former Capital City Police chief, position he held 5 00:00:21,840 --> 00:00:24,640 Speaker 2: on January sixth, twenty twenty one, I wanted to make 6 00:00:24,640 --> 00:00:25,680 Speaker 2: the point with his background. 7 00:00:25,680 --> 00:00:26,720 Speaker 1: This guy's not a lightweight. 8 00:00:26,800 --> 00:00:29,880 Speaker 2: He's got a BS, a MS from Johns Hopkins University, 9 00:00:29,440 --> 00:00:34,879 Speaker 2: a pretty high brow, rigorous academic background. He has an 10 00:00:34,960 --> 00:00:39,360 Speaker 2: MA and homeland security from the Naval Postgraduate School. This 11 00:00:39,400 --> 00:00:44,199 Speaker 2: guy is thoughtful about strategy and operations and logistics in 12 00:00:44,280 --> 00:00:48,280 Speaker 2: law enforcement. It's what he's devoted his life to. This 13 00:00:48,440 --> 00:00:51,160 Speaker 2: isn't somebody who rows through the ranks because they checked 14 00:00:51,200 --> 00:00:53,320 Speaker 2: the right box that they weren't a white male. He is, 15 00:00:53,360 --> 00:00:56,120 Speaker 2: in fact a white male. This is a guy who, 16 00:00:56,280 --> 00:00:59,440 Speaker 2: by all accounts, and I think he has demonstrated, cares 17 00:00:59,480 --> 00:01:04,880 Speaker 2: deeply about law and order and security and preserving the peace, 18 00:01:05,080 --> 00:01:07,080 Speaker 2: and that's to be respected. So now we get to 19 00:01:07,160 --> 00:01:10,679 Speaker 2: January sixth. I know you've told this story because I've 20 00:01:10,680 --> 00:01:12,280 Speaker 2: seen you tell this story. I wish i'd let you 21 00:01:12,319 --> 00:01:14,840 Speaker 2: tell your story in public, but let's walk through. 22 00:01:15,080 --> 00:01:15,840 Speaker 1: I won't interrupt you. 23 00:01:15,880 --> 00:01:18,360 Speaker 2: Why don't you tell the story as you know it 24 00:01:18,440 --> 00:01:19,800 Speaker 2: of January sixth. 25 00:01:21,280 --> 00:01:24,120 Speaker 1: I will I think your listeners will definitely be surprised 26 00:01:24,280 --> 00:01:26,240 Speaker 1: about what they're about to hear because a lot of 27 00:01:26,280 --> 00:01:28,920 Speaker 1: people will hear about, you know, Trump offering National Guard 28 00:01:28,959 --> 00:01:30,360 Speaker 1: and what happened to the Nationalard and stuff like this. 29 00:01:30,800 --> 00:01:32,360 Speaker 1: You're going to hear the truth. This truth has been 30 00:01:32,640 --> 00:01:35,520 Speaker 1: upheld by congressional hearings. I come with the facts. I'm 31 00:01:35,560 --> 00:01:37,480 Speaker 1: thirty years law enforcement. I'm not going to say something 32 00:01:37,480 --> 00:01:40,319 Speaker 1: that I can't back up. So let's take you back 33 00:01:40,360 --> 00:01:43,760 Speaker 1: to the Sunday before January sixth, January third, it was 34 00:01:43,800 --> 00:01:46,119 Speaker 1: the first day of the one hundred and seventeenth Congress, 35 00:01:46,319 --> 00:01:48,680 Speaker 1: regardless if it falls on a weekend, and January third 36 00:01:48,720 --> 00:01:50,360 Speaker 1: is always going to be the first day of a 37 00:01:50,400 --> 00:01:53,040 Speaker 1: new Congress. When it comes in a session, we do 38 00:01:53,080 --> 00:01:55,360 Speaker 1: all the swearing ends of the members of Congress. So 39 00:01:55,360 --> 00:01:57,920 Speaker 1: it's a big dam up on Capitol Hill. I had 40 00:01:57,920 --> 00:02:01,520 Speaker 1: been kind of watching the crowds size that were coming in. 41 00:02:01,520 --> 00:02:03,320 Speaker 1: In mind you the intelligence I was getting in the 42 00:02:03,360 --> 00:02:05,760 Speaker 1: intelligence and a whole other issue of what the intelligence 43 00:02:05,800 --> 00:02:08,160 Speaker 1: I was getting didn't say anything about any type of 44 00:02:08,160 --> 00:02:11,320 Speaker 1: coordinated attack of the capital, any threat to the federal 45 00:02:11,360 --> 00:02:13,880 Speaker 1: billings or to the Capitol, or to members of Congress, 46 00:02:14,480 --> 00:02:16,720 Speaker 1: nothing like that. I was just concerned about the size 47 00:02:16,720 --> 00:02:18,560 Speaker 1: of the crowd and the number of officers I had 48 00:02:18,560 --> 00:02:21,679 Speaker 1: to put on my perimeter. I had a four foot 49 00:02:21,760 --> 00:02:23,760 Speaker 1: high bike rack that was going to surround the Capitol, 50 00:02:24,200 --> 00:02:27,280 Speaker 1: which is a sizable area. I only had two hundred 51 00:02:27,280 --> 00:02:29,200 Speaker 1: and seventy three officers to put on that perimeter, and 52 00:02:29,200 --> 00:02:32,560 Speaker 1: that included response officers for civil disobedience. So it wasn't 53 00:02:32,600 --> 00:02:34,280 Speaker 1: a whole lot of officers. Because we had a joint 54 00:02:34,800 --> 00:02:38,079 Speaker 1: cessant of excuse me, a joint session of Congress. It 55 00:02:38,120 --> 00:02:39,880 Speaker 1: took a lot of my personnel inside of the building. 56 00:02:40,600 --> 00:02:43,560 Speaker 1: So i'd gone over to the Senate, the House Sergeant Arms. 57 00:02:43,560 --> 00:02:46,880 Speaker 1: I'm acquired by my federal law. This is another interesting thing. 58 00:02:47,200 --> 00:02:49,520 Speaker 1: If I want to bring in any assistance for my officers, 59 00:02:49,560 --> 00:02:53,960 Speaker 1: any federal assistance, whether it's being National Guard, any federal assistance, 60 00:02:54,400 --> 00:02:56,840 Speaker 1: I have to buy law. Its to us nineteen seventy 61 00:02:57,440 --> 00:03:00,880 Speaker 1: get permission from the Capitol Police Board. So Sunday morning, 62 00:03:00,919 --> 00:03:02,760 Speaker 1: at nine thirty five, I went over to see the 63 00:03:02,800 --> 00:03:04,920 Speaker 1: House Sergeant Arms. Guy by the name of Paul Irving, 64 00:03:05,720 --> 00:03:07,760 Speaker 1: who I knew he carried most of the weight. He was 65 00:03:08,240 --> 00:03:09,840 Speaker 1: the big heavy hitter. Everyone kind of listened to him 66 00:03:09,840 --> 00:03:11,639 Speaker 1: on the Capitol police board. I think this would be 67 00:03:11,680 --> 00:03:13,359 Speaker 1: a sensitive topic for him, But I went over and 68 00:03:13,400 --> 00:03:16,200 Speaker 1: ask for national Guard support specifically, just for the premier 69 00:03:16,560 --> 00:03:20,399 Speaker 1: unarmed national Guard support. I wasn't asking for Farm Nash 70 00:03:20,440 --> 00:03:22,919 Speaker 1: Guard support at that time. He didn't approve it. He 71 00:03:22,919 --> 00:03:25,160 Speaker 1: didn't approve it specifically because he said he didn't like 72 00:03:25,240 --> 00:03:27,760 Speaker 1: the optics of the National Guards standing a line with 73 00:03:27,800 --> 00:03:30,320 Speaker 1: the Capitol in the background. And I think that was 74 00:03:30,360 --> 00:03:33,120 Speaker 1: because he felt is his boss, his main boss, Speaker 75 00:03:33,120 --> 00:03:36,480 Speaker 1: Pelosi would have gotten upset about it. And he also 76 00:03:36,520 --> 00:03:39,200 Speaker 1: said the intelligence didn't support it. Well, yeah, I understand 77 00:03:39,240 --> 00:03:41,240 Speaker 1: the intelligence didn't support it, but I still worried about 78 00:03:41,240 --> 00:03:42,920 Speaker 1: the size of the crowds. And I told him, you 79 00:03:42,920 --> 00:03:44,400 Speaker 1: know that I'm worried about the size of the crowds 80 00:03:44,440 --> 00:03:46,720 Speaker 1: and I'd like to have some resources on the preiter 81 00:03:46,760 --> 00:03:47,440 Speaker 1: with my officers. 82 00:03:47,960 --> 00:03:51,080 Speaker 2: Again, he at that point, can you give us a 83 00:03:51,120 --> 00:03:53,120 Speaker 2: time from again? When was this conversation? 84 00:03:53,280 --> 00:03:57,720 Speaker 1: Roughly, the conversation was on Monday, January third, three days 85 00:03:57,720 --> 00:03:59,400 Speaker 1: before January sixth. 86 00:03:59,440 --> 00:04:03,440 Speaker 2: Okay, plenty of time to muster troops if you need them. 87 00:04:03,800 --> 00:04:06,920 Speaker 1: Plenty of times, the mustard mustard troops we've we've used, 88 00:04:07,000 --> 00:04:08,880 Speaker 1: you know, in my in my history with d C 89 00:04:08,960 --> 00:04:11,680 Speaker 1: Police and even with with Capitol Police, who even national Guard, 90 00:04:12,400 --> 00:04:14,160 Speaker 1: And there's plenty of time. But it gets it gets 91 00:04:14,160 --> 00:04:15,680 Speaker 1: even better because I'm going to tell you how we 92 00:04:15,760 --> 00:04:18,920 Speaker 1: knew the National Guard was prepared. So he refers me 93 00:04:18,960 --> 00:04:20,760 Speaker 1: over to Mike Stinger, who's now the chairman of the 94 00:04:20,760 --> 00:04:23,719 Speaker 1: Capitol Police Board and he became the chairman on that day. 95 00:04:24,240 --> 00:04:25,880 Speaker 1: I went over to his office, Mike Sneer was and 96 00:04:25,880 --> 00:04:27,720 Speaker 1: and I came back later on, right a little bit 97 00:04:27,720 --> 00:04:29,920 Speaker 1: after eleven. He's in the office and I can tell 98 00:04:29,960 --> 00:04:32,040 Speaker 1: he's already been given heads up. I'm coming over to 99 00:04:32,040 --> 00:04:34,400 Speaker 1: ask for National Guard. When I asked for National Board support, 100 00:04:34,480 --> 00:04:37,560 Speaker 1: he won't approve it. Again, he's concerned. Later on he 101 00:04:38,000 --> 00:04:40,280 Speaker 1: in April that after January sixth, I finally asked me 102 00:04:40,279 --> 00:04:41,280 Speaker 1: and said he do you know I was coming over, 103 00:04:41,520 --> 00:04:45,880 Speaker 1: said Irvi and told him, but anyway, he wouldn't He 104 00:04:45,880 --> 00:04:47,919 Speaker 1: wouldn't approve it. He said, you know, once you call, 105 00:04:48,120 --> 00:04:49,960 Speaker 1: do you know anybody at the DC National Guard if 106 00:04:49,960 --> 00:04:51,760 Speaker 1: we need their assistants? How quickly could they get here? 107 00:04:52,279 --> 00:04:54,719 Speaker 1: And I know the committitian General of the DC National Guard, 108 00:04:54,720 --> 00:04:57,880 Speaker 1: William Walker, General Walker. I don't MI can call General Walker, 109 00:04:57,960 --> 00:04:59,919 Speaker 1: but that's still not going to help us grab you know, 110 00:05:00,040 --> 00:05:02,640 Speaker 1: issues on the perimeter. But he said, I got to 111 00:05:02,680 --> 00:05:05,360 Speaker 1: run out. He's going to the swearing in of members 112 00:05:05,360 --> 00:05:07,280 Speaker 1: of Congress, and he said that's that's the best we're 113 00:05:07,279 --> 00:05:09,800 Speaker 1: going to do. We wouldn't approve it, so he leaves out. 114 00:05:10,120 --> 00:05:12,080 Speaker 1: I go back to my office later on that day. 115 00:05:12,520 --> 00:05:13,920 Speaker 1: Just a short time later, I get back. One of 116 00:05:13,960 --> 00:05:16,360 Speaker 1: my deputy chief's approaches me and says, we received a 117 00:05:16,360 --> 00:05:20,599 Speaker 1: call from Carol Corbyan. She's the program manager for the 118 00:05:20,760 --> 00:05:23,280 Speaker 1: Defense Support for Civil Authorities, which is the National Guard, 119 00:05:23,279 --> 00:05:25,920 Speaker 1: and coming to support you know, civil authorities law enforcement 120 00:05:25,960 --> 00:05:27,960 Speaker 1: it's needed. She was calling to ask if we were 121 00:05:28,000 --> 00:05:30,560 Speaker 1: going to be requesting the National Guard for January six 122 00:05:31,000 --> 00:05:34,200 Speaker 1: Now I had just been denied twice my request for 123 00:05:34,320 --> 00:05:36,880 Speaker 1: the use of the National Guard on January sixth, and 124 00:05:36,920 --> 00:05:38,960 Speaker 1: by the law, I had to tell him to tell 125 00:05:38,960 --> 00:05:42,039 Speaker 1: her no, we aren't. I've dealt with her before because 126 00:05:42,040 --> 00:05:46,360 Speaker 1: I'd been denied, So coming into January sixth, I don't 127 00:05:46,400 --> 00:05:49,279 Speaker 1: have that Pentagon had offered National Guard. I had to 128 00:05:49,279 --> 00:05:51,159 Speaker 1: turn it down. I've been denied twice by the House 129 00:05:51,200 --> 00:05:54,880 Speaker 1: and Senate Sargeant Arms. So coming into January sixth, twelve 130 00:05:54,960 --> 00:05:57,000 Speaker 1: fifty eight, in the command center, we're working with the 131 00:05:57,040 --> 00:06:00,760 Speaker 1: pipe bomb that we started dealing with at the Republican 132 00:06:00,800 --> 00:06:02,599 Speaker 1: National Committee, which is just a couple of blocks south 133 00:06:02,640 --> 00:06:06,359 Speaker 1: of the US Capitol. We had been alerted of a 134 00:06:06,360 --> 00:06:08,279 Speaker 1: pipe bomb. I want to say, right around twelve forty 135 00:06:08,640 --> 00:06:12,400 Speaker 1: one pm, we're dealing with that. I mean, my watchmana 136 00:06:12,400 --> 00:06:14,440 Speaker 1: are showing me some pictures of the pipe bomb. When 137 00:06:14,440 --> 00:06:16,960 Speaker 1: somebody says we have a large crowd approaching our west front. 138 00:06:18,160 --> 00:06:21,240 Speaker 1: I look up, but we have cameras. There's two roadways 139 00:06:21,240 --> 00:06:23,040 Speaker 1: coming up towards the west front, right next to the 140 00:06:23,080 --> 00:06:26,919 Speaker 1: reflecting Pool, Pennsylvania Avenue, Maryland Avenue, coming up to two circles. 141 00:06:26,920 --> 00:06:28,640 Speaker 1: I see a couple hundred people at each of the 142 00:06:28,640 --> 00:06:32,600 Speaker 1: circles approaching our fence line, and some of the people 143 00:06:32,600 --> 00:06:35,400 Speaker 1: in the group got very confrontational and physical with the 144 00:06:35,400 --> 00:06:38,880 Speaker 1: officers very quickly. I've handled lots of protests. I've seen 145 00:06:38,920 --> 00:06:40,760 Speaker 1: lots of you know, where the marchers come up to 146 00:06:40,800 --> 00:06:43,040 Speaker 1: the line, and the gate, and we'll usually have ten 147 00:06:43,120 --> 00:06:45,080 Speaker 1: fifteen minutes of back and forth where they're yelling. And 148 00:06:45,160 --> 00:06:47,039 Speaker 1: so I got before he gets to this point. This 149 00:06:47,200 --> 00:06:49,599 Speaker 1: was a matter of a matter of minutes before they 150 00:06:49,640 --> 00:06:52,159 Speaker 1: started pulling out the gate and swinging at my officers. 151 00:06:52,480 --> 00:06:54,840 Speaker 1: And again this was a core group of people that 152 00:06:54,880 --> 00:06:57,800 Speaker 1: were in the in the crowd. So I look down. 153 00:06:57,839 --> 00:07:01,800 Speaker 1: That's twelve fifty three. I see what's going on. I 154 00:07:01,920 --> 00:07:03,760 Speaker 1: you know, having come from DC Police, I reach over 155 00:07:03,839 --> 00:07:05,799 Speaker 1: dcent Police and say, hey, if you guys get some resources, 156 00:07:05,800 --> 00:07:08,040 Speaker 1: send them our way. And then at twelve fifty eight, 157 00:07:08,040 --> 00:07:09,880 Speaker 1: I called the Senate sor of the I'm sorry the 158 00:07:09,920 --> 00:07:12,800 Speaker 1: house star's arms, Paul Irving, to request permission. I'm still 159 00:07:12,800 --> 00:07:16,560 Speaker 1: required by law to request permission even in an emergency. 160 00:07:16,840 --> 00:07:19,280 Speaker 1: Now Congress has since changed that law December of twenty 161 00:07:19,320 --> 00:07:21,480 Speaker 1: twenty one, they changed it and allows the chiefs calling 162 00:07:21,600 --> 00:07:23,160 Speaker 1: resources that I having to go to this but anyway, 163 00:07:23,200 --> 00:07:25,960 Speaker 1: they say admitted the failure. So twelve fifty eight, I 164 00:07:26,000 --> 00:07:30,000 Speaker 1: call Paul Irving. It took eleven calls. Let me back up. 165 00:07:30,320 --> 00:07:32,680 Speaker 1: I start following myself. My adrenaline start pumping when I'm 166 00:07:32,680 --> 00:07:36,560 Speaker 1: talking about this. So when I first called him. I said, 167 00:07:37,280 --> 00:07:39,680 Speaker 1: it's bad on the West Front. My officers are getting overrun. 168 00:07:39,720 --> 00:07:42,040 Speaker 1: I need federal resources, and now I need permission to 169 00:07:42,040 --> 00:07:44,640 Speaker 1: call in the National art. He says to me, quote, 170 00:07:44,720 --> 00:07:46,320 Speaker 1: let me run this up to chain and I'll be 171 00:07:46,440 --> 00:07:50,080 Speaker 1: right back to you. So he and he has a 172 00:07:50,200 --> 00:07:52,520 Speaker 1: liaison officer seing right behind me watching the same thing 173 00:07:52,520 --> 00:07:55,440 Speaker 1: I'm seeing on my screens. I get off the phone. 174 00:07:55,480 --> 00:07:58,000 Speaker 1: I'm dumbfounded. I'm seeing again my officer are now backing 175 00:07:58,040 --> 00:07:59,960 Speaker 1: up as the crowd's getting starting to move on the 176 00:08:00,240 --> 00:08:03,560 Speaker 1: on the Capitol. So I called Mike Stinger, the Senate 177 00:08:03,600 --> 00:08:06,320 Speaker 1: Surgeon Arms call him immediately and say, hey, you know 178 00:08:06,560 --> 00:08:08,440 Speaker 1: we're getting over run again. He has the theas I'm 179 00:08:08,440 --> 00:08:10,680 Speaker 1: sitting right behind me. I need immedia permission to bring 180 00:08:10,680 --> 00:08:12,960 Speaker 1: in the National Guard. He said, what did Paul Irving 181 00:08:12,960 --> 00:08:14,440 Speaker 1: tell you that he's going to run it up the chain. 182 00:08:15,080 --> 00:08:16,800 Speaker 1: He's going to run up to speak a Pelosi and 183 00:08:16,800 --> 00:08:18,640 Speaker 1: can get right back to me. He said, let's wait 184 00:08:18,640 --> 00:08:21,360 Speaker 1: to hear from Paul Irving. I made eleven more phone 185 00:08:21,360 --> 00:08:24,480 Speaker 1: calls to the two of them, seventy one minutes before 186 00:08:24,480 --> 00:08:27,000 Speaker 1: I finally got approval at two nine pm. For Michael 187 00:08:27,040 --> 00:08:30,960 Speaker 1: Barry James is. 188 00:08:30,800 --> 00:08:37,320 Speaker 2: The goodchief of the Capitol Police on January sixth, twenty 189 00:08:37,400 --> 00:08:40,840 Speaker 2: twenty one, with Stephen Son. He's our guest telling his story. 190 00:08:41,640 --> 00:08:45,239 Speaker 2: And we were now in the middle of the afternoon. 191 00:08:45,760 --> 00:08:49,720 Speaker 2: You've waited over an hour, You've made a number of calls. 192 00:08:51,280 --> 00:08:56,520 Speaker 2: The situation is turning in your estimation. Are the people 193 00:08:56,559 --> 00:09:01,480 Speaker 2: who are beginning to approach the Capitol do you suspect 194 00:09:01,960 --> 00:09:05,040 Speaker 2: that any of those individuals are federal plans? Do you 195 00:09:05,040 --> 00:09:07,720 Speaker 2: suspect that they're paid activists? Do you think they're just 196 00:09:08,120 --> 00:09:10,760 Speaker 2: people who showed up or frustrated? Do you have a 197 00:09:10,760 --> 00:09:11,440 Speaker 2: sense of that? 198 00:09:13,840 --> 00:09:16,559 Speaker 1: So are you asking like at the time were you asking? 199 00:09:16,600 --> 00:09:19,080 Speaker 1: Now that I reflect back on it, I'm glad you asked. 200 00:09:19,120 --> 00:09:21,240 Speaker 2: I guess both would be important to know. 201 00:09:22,840 --> 00:09:25,200 Speaker 1: Yeah. So at the time, all I was thinking about 202 00:09:25,240 --> 00:09:27,719 Speaker 1: had how we get my officer some some assistants. Uh. 203 00:09:27,840 --> 00:09:30,280 Speaker 1: They were they were getting the rear ends handed to them. Uh, 204 00:09:30,360 --> 00:09:32,120 Speaker 1: And I need to get them some assistants real quick. 205 00:09:32,160 --> 00:09:36,240 Speaker 1: And I was just dumbfounded as repeatedly denials and delays 206 00:09:36,280 --> 00:09:39,480 Speaker 1: I was getting. You know, looking back on it, you know, 207 00:09:39,480 --> 00:09:41,440 Speaker 1: I keep hearing I try and you know, really stick 208 00:09:41,480 --> 00:09:43,600 Speaker 1: to it. Be a person of the facts. If I 209 00:09:43,600 --> 00:09:46,000 Speaker 1: know facts, I'm going to pass them on. You know, 210 00:09:46,160 --> 00:09:47,719 Speaker 1: I hear a lot about you know, there could have 211 00:09:47,800 --> 00:09:49,440 Speaker 1: been tief in the in the crowd. There could have 212 00:09:49,480 --> 00:09:51,920 Speaker 1: been you know, different people in the crowd very well 213 00:09:52,200 --> 00:09:53,959 Speaker 1: could be if I if I had facts that I'd 214 00:09:54,000 --> 00:09:56,800 Speaker 1: absolutely pass that, pass that on to you. Looking at 215 00:09:56,840 --> 00:09:58,200 Speaker 1: some of the videos, you see a lot of people 216 00:09:58,200 --> 00:10:00,360 Speaker 1: all wearing you know, looks like a brand new quit in, 217 00:10:00,600 --> 00:10:04,120 Speaker 1: brand new hats, flags, stuff like that. Who knows, who 218 00:10:04,160 --> 00:10:06,240 Speaker 1: knows what that that could tell you, But I will 219 00:10:06,280 --> 00:10:09,319 Speaker 1: tell you. You know, I've suspected you know, all along. It 220 00:10:09,360 --> 00:10:11,800 Speaker 1: wouldn't be unusual front event in Washington. See when you 221 00:10:11,840 --> 00:10:15,520 Speaker 1: talk about federal agents, whether it's a Fourth of July celebration, 222 00:10:15,880 --> 00:10:21,640 Speaker 1: a state funeral, a h Terry Boston parade, even something 223 00:10:21,679 --> 00:10:24,120 Speaker 1: like that. We we still have, you know, put together 224 00:10:24,160 --> 00:10:27,120 Speaker 1: some of these plain closed teams that oftentimes are made 225 00:10:27,160 --> 00:10:30,319 Speaker 1: up of you know, people from the Washington Field Office 226 00:10:30,360 --> 00:10:33,440 Speaker 1: for the FBI, Secret Service, some of the Joint Terrorist 227 00:10:33,440 --> 00:10:35,880 Speaker 1: Task Force members just to go out there and keep 228 00:10:35,880 --> 00:10:37,480 Speaker 1: an eye look for any issues or if we get 229 00:10:37,480 --> 00:10:39,559 Speaker 1: a suspicious package, you can you know, respond to the 230 00:10:39,559 --> 00:10:43,240 Speaker 1: suspecial package quickly to start making assessments. So it wouldn't 231 00:10:43,400 --> 00:10:45,360 Speaker 1: I wouldn't have been surprised to think, okay, we did 232 00:10:45,400 --> 00:10:47,680 Speaker 1: some some plain closed assets in the in the crowd. 233 00:10:48,200 --> 00:10:50,480 Speaker 1: But you know, as I began to do my research, 234 00:10:50,520 --> 00:10:53,120 Speaker 1: and you know, I got I literally got stripped out 235 00:10:53,120 --> 00:10:55,120 Speaker 1: of my office the very next day and I hopefully 236 00:10:55,120 --> 00:10:58,240 Speaker 1: we have time to get to that. And I literally 237 00:10:58,280 --> 00:10:59,719 Speaker 1: sat at home and I had people come out of 238 00:10:59,720 --> 00:11:01,640 Speaker 1: the wood work, whistle wor wers come out and start 239 00:11:01,640 --> 00:11:05,040 Speaker 1: pushing information to me. And found out that the FBI 240 00:11:05,240 --> 00:11:09,120 Speaker 1: had been receiving information just prior to January sixth that 241 00:11:09,240 --> 00:11:13,040 Speaker 1: indicated there's several what they considered domestic terrorists that were 242 00:11:13,280 --> 00:11:15,160 Speaker 1: most likely planning to come to Washingt d C. For 243 00:11:15,200 --> 00:11:18,640 Speaker 1: the event. Then as we got closer, the numbers seem 244 00:11:18,679 --> 00:11:20,560 Speaker 1: to seem to get higher, so you know, and I 245 00:11:20,559 --> 00:11:22,640 Speaker 1: found this in the aftermat that at one point they're 246 00:11:22,760 --> 00:11:26,200 Speaker 1: tracking nineteen people that were on their domestic terrorists list 247 00:11:26,240 --> 00:11:29,640 Speaker 1: as coming to planning on coming to Washington, d C. Now, 248 00:11:30,480 --> 00:11:32,360 Speaker 1: I can tell you this, they're not tracking them with 249 00:11:34,400 --> 00:11:36,720 Speaker 1: just nobody. They're going to be tracking them with agents 250 00:11:36,760 --> 00:11:38,440 Speaker 1: if they think somebody comes in, they know they have 251 00:11:38,440 --> 00:11:40,320 Speaker 1: a flight coming in or something like that, they're going 252 00:11:40,360 --> 00:11:42,240 Speaker 1: to be putting eyes on these people. So it wouldn't 253 00:11:42,280 --> 00:11:44,760 Speaker 1: you know, if we're we have that many people that 254 00:11:44,800 --> 00:11:48,160 Speaker 1: they suspect our domestic terrorists, I suspect you're going to 255 00:11:48,160 --> 00:11:52,040 Speaker 1: have significant resource in the crowd watching them. So that's 256 00:11:52,040 --> 00:11:54,640 Speaker 1: where I based my opinion on. Now, Christopher Ray has 257 00:11:54,679 --> 00:11:56,640 Speaker 1: come out and said that there was a number of 258 00:11:56,679 --> 00:12:00,000 Speaker 1: what they call confidential human sources chs is in the crowd. 259 00:12:00,920 --> 00:12:02,880 Speaker 1: Some people have said the chs is were the ones 260 00:12:02,960 --> 00:12:06,400 Speaker 1: watching the uh uh their domestic terrorist targets. I don't 261 00:12:06,440 --> 00:12:08,800 Speaker 1: buy that. That's not what I considered the police work, 262 00:12:09,320 --> 00:12:12,400 Speaker 1: because you can only trust a CHS so much. But 263 00:12:12,440 --> 00:12:14,240 Speaker 1: that's where I always base my opinion on that. You 264 00:12:14,280 --> 00:12:16,360 Speaker 1: know what, I would have been surprised there's playing closed 265 00:12:16,360 --> 00:12:19,320 Speaker 1: ass in the ground. But when you start hearing about 266 00:12:19,360 --> 00:12:20,520 Speaker 1: you know, there's some of these people that are out 267 00:12:20,520 --> 00:12:22,080 Speaker 1: there that are pushing them to get into the capital 268 00:12:22,080 --> 00:12:25,520 Speaker 1: and move on the capital. I find that very very 269 00:12:25,559 --> 00:12:28,320 Speaker 1: concerning and if and if proven be true, that's you know, 270 00:12:28,360 --> 00:12:30,960 Speaker 1: that's definitely not what they're supposed to be doing. And 271 00:12:31,000 --> 00:12:33,600 Speaker 1: that is, you know, contrary to the oath of oath 272 00:12:33,640 --> 00:12:34,000 Speaker 1: they take. 273 00:12:38,000 --> 00:12:41,079 Speaker 2: I know, you choose your words carefully, not out of cowardice, 274 00:12:41,120 --> 00:12:45,160 Speaker 2: but out of caution. Is it outside the realm that 275 00:12:45,160 --> 00:12:49,320 Speaker 2: that could be the case, outside the realm that. 276 00:12:49,360 --> 00:12:52,400 Speaker 1: Some people could be pushing pushing the group. Well, when 277 00:12:52,400 --> 00:12:57,040 Speaker 1: you act and you think about why why am I 278 00:12:57,080 --> 00:13:01,040 Speaker 1: denying repeatedly in advance? Why am I denying while you know, 279 00:13:01,200 --> 00:13:03,840 Speaker 1: just the blatant that while my officers are under attack, 280 00:13:04,559 --> 00:13:07,920 Speaker 1: and then I run into problems with the with the Pentagon. Finally, 281 00:13:07,960 --> 00:13:11,000 Speaker 1: once I do get approval approving my request, and now 282 00:13:11,000 --> 00:13:13,000 Speaker 1: we find out that there's probably some influence coming from 283 00:13:13,080 --> 00:13:17,040 Speaker 1: General Millie on on that the influence on from General 284 00:13:17,040 --> 00:13:20,600 Speaker 1: Milly onto Acting Secretary of Defense Christopher Miller that caused 285 00:13:20,640 --> 00:13:22,840 Speaker 1: him to place additional restrictions on the National Bar that 286 00:13:22,880 --> 00:13:25,200 Speaker 1: no one knew about. When you start looking at that, 287 00:13:25,280 --> 00:13:27,120 Speaker 1: you're like, yeah, this really, you know, it could make 288 00:13:27,160 --> 00:13:30,720 Speaker 1: a really interesting conspiracy theory novel when you look at 289 00:13:30,720 --> 00:13:33,800 Speaker 1: what was going on in that aspect, and you know, really, 290 00:13:33,840 --> 00:13:37,440 Speaker 1: who who is you? You know, getting the most traction 291 00:13:37,520 --> 00:13:40,839 Speaker 1: out of the whole January sixth initiative? You know, we 292 00:13:41,160 --> 00:13:43,360 Speaker 1: haven't been able to identify the pipe bomber yet, which 293 00:13:43,400 --> 00:13:48,080 Speaker 1: is I find that very interesting, But I mean, you know, 294 00:13:48,160 --> 00:13:50,679 Speaker 1: your listeners probably would be surprised. And when I activated 295 00:13:50,760 --> 00:13:54,360 Speaker 1: mutual aid, the New Jersey State Police made it before 296 00:13:54,400 --> 00:13:58,280 Speaker 1: the DC National Guard coming down to the DC. Nash 297 00:13:58,280 --> 00:14:00,280 Speaker 1: Guard had one hundred and fifty five troops within eye 298 00:14:00,320 --> 00:14:02,720 Speaker 1: side of capital and they didn't get the until five 299 00:14:02,880 --> 00:14:05,079 Speaker 1: forty pm at night, well on once all the fighting 300 00:14:05,160 --> 00:14:07,880 Speaker 1: was over. And remember I told you well when I 301 00:14:07,880 --> 00:14:09,640 Speaker 1: called when I finally got in touch with the Pentagon, 302 00:14:10,040 --> 00:14:12,400 Speaker 1: the Pentagon wanted me on a conference call. This was 303 00:14:12,400 --> 00:14:16,280 Speaker 1: brought on two thirty four pm. They wanted me on 304 00:14:16,320 --> 00:14:18,760 Speaker 1: a conference call to then find out why I'm requesting 305 00:14:18,840 --> 00:14:21,680 Speaker 1: National Guard. I think that would have been fairly self 306 00:14:21,960 --> 00:14:24,760 Speaker 1: evident with anybody watching this on TV. But I'm on 307 00:14:24,760 --> 00:14:26,160 Speaker 1: the phone with the guy mat by the name of 308 00:14:26,200 --> 00:14:29,800 Speaker 1: Lieutenant General Walter Pyat, also on the phone with me 309 00:14:29,800 --> 00:14:32,880 Speaker 1: as mayor bounser, chief of Police for the DC, Plice 310 00:14:32,880 --> 00:14:36,720 Speaker 1: Forrobert Conti, the Director of Emergency Mangineer for DC, A 311 00:14:36,760 --> 00:14:39,480 Speaker 1: number of other people, including a guy that at one 312 00:14:39,480 --> 00:14:45,000 Speaker 1: point was the Army's acting General Council Colonel Earl Matthews. 313 00:14:45,200 --> 00:14:46,680 Speaker 1: He has since come out as a whistle boar on 314 00:14:46,680 --> 00:14:49,120 Speaker 1: my behalf. And I told him, I said, I need 315 00:14:49,120 --> 00:14:52,240 Speaker 1: a National Guard support immediately. This is life and death situation. 316 00:14:52,280 --> 00:14:54,920 Speaker 1: They've now gotten into the Capitol. We're battling to keep 317 00:14:54,960 --> 00:14:56,840 Speaker 1: Hi out of the capital. And he tells me the 318 00:14:56,880 --> 00:14:59,560 Speaker 1: exact same thing. Paul Irving told me I don't like 319 00:14:59,600 --> 00:15:01,760 Speaker 1: the op of the National Guard standing a line with 320 00:15:01,840 --> 00:15:04,640 Speaker 1: capital in the background. I was dumb found I'm hearing 321 00:15:04,640 --> 00:15:07,160 Speaker 1: the exact same thing. So you know, I'm wondering, is 322 00:15:07,160 --> 00:15:10,240 Speaker 1: there some talking points behind this? I repeatedly, I'm bagging. 323 00:15:10,320 --> 00:15:12,720 Speaker 1: I'm almost at tears, and the marriage Fountain said this. 324 00:15:13,480 --> 00:15:16,200 Speaker 1: I was almost at tears begging him to send me resources, 325 00:15:17,000 --> 00:15:19,200 Speaker 1: and kept tearing this over and over, and he said 326 00:15:19,240 --> 00:15:22,960 Speaker 1: his recommendations to that that I my request. That was 327 00:15:22,960 --> 00:15:25,640 Speaker 1: his first response. Uh, And then I kept pleading with him. 328 00:15:25,640 --> 00:15:26,960 Speaker 1: He said, well, I'm gonna run this up to chain 329 00:15:27,400 --> 00:15:29,200 Speaker 1: and that's when we had the shooting of action. Babbitt 330 00:15:29,360 --> 00:15:30,560 Speaker 1: and I had to get on the phone. 331 00:15:32,800 --> 00:15:37,760 Speaker 2: It's uh, it's so frustrating, man. I think in many ways, 332 00:15:37,880 --> 00:15:41,360 Speaker 2: I look at what's happened in your career. I think 333 00:15:41,400 --> 00:15:45,680 Speaker 2: of how many officers that day never recovered, and we 334 00:15:45,760 --> 00:15:47,880 Speaker 2: know that some took their own lives. 335 00:15:47,960 --> 00:15:49,040 Speaker 1: I think how many. 336 00:15:49,040 --> 00:15:53,080 Speaker 2: People who went to the Capitol, in my suspicion, who 337 00:15:53,160 --> 00:15:57,160 Speaker 2: did little or nothing and relatively speaking, and ended up 338 00:15:57,200 --> 00:15:59,960 Speaker 2: in prison. I just think of this as horrible, as 339 00:16:00,040 --> 00:16:04,000 Speaker 2: as Richard Nixon or as Gerald Ford referred to the 340 00:16:04,080 --> 00:16:06,880 Speaker 2: next administration. It feels like a long national nightmare, and 341 00:16:07,040 --> 00:16:11,080 Speaker 2: it's it's extremely, extremely disturbing. And I believe you don't 342 00:16:11,120 --> 00:16:13,200 Speaker 2: have to and I'm not saying you do or don't. 343 00:16:13,840 --> 00:16:16,360 Speaker 2: I believe that the various forces were at work here 344 00:16:16,400 --> 00:16:18,440 Speaker 2: and a lot of good people doing their jobs, and 345 00:16:18,440 --> 00:16:20,960 Speaker 2: a lot of people, patriots got caught up in it 346 00:16:21,040 --> 00:16:25,640 Speaker 2: and were terribly terribly affected by you mentioned earlier you 347 00:16:25,680 --> 00:16:27,960 Speaker 2: made reference to, and I hope we'll have time. 348 00:16:27,760 --> 00:16:28,360 Speaker 1: To get to that. 349 00:16:28,600 --> 00:16:31,480 Speaker 2: Who will make time in the next second Stephen Sunday's 350 00:16:31,480 --> 00:16:36,120 Speaker 2: our guess. He was a Capital City police chief on 351 00:16:36,280 --> 00:16:40,960 Speaker 2: January the Capitol police chief on January sixth, twenty twenty one, 352 00:16:41,200 --> 00:16:41,880 Speaker 2: Jackie you here? 353 00:16:42,200 --> 00:16:42,880 Speaker 1: Where's Jackie? 354 00:16:43,040 --> 00:16:46,240 Speaker 2: A crash that killed Congresswoman Jackie or. 355 00:16:49,120 --> 00:16:49,240 Speaker 1: Here? 356 00:16:50,880 --> 00:16:53,520 Speaker 2: Stephen Sundays I guess he was the police chief of 357 00:16:53,640 --> 00:16:57,360 Speaker 2: the Capitol Police on January sixth of twenty twenty one, 358 00:16:57,480 --> 00:17:02,440 Speaker 2: that fateful day, and you made reference chief to getting 359 00:17:02,440 --> 00:17:04,400 Speaker 2: pulled into an office. I wasn't sure exactly, but you said, 360 00:17:04,400 --> 00:17:06,359 Speaker 2: I hope we'll have time to talk about that. And 361 00:17:06,400 --> 00:17:08,639 Speaker 2: I made a little scribble note to go back to 362 00:17:08,680 --> 00:17:10,280 Speaker 2: that so that I do make time for you. So 363 00:17:10,320 --> 00:17:11,080 Speaker 2: go ahead to the floor. 364 00:17:11,200 --> 00:17:15,959 Speaker 1: Is yours? I appreciate it. So you know, here we 365 00:17:16,000 --> 00:17:20,200 Speaker 1: are January January sixth. We get everybody back back in 366 00:17:20,240 --> 00:17:22,360 Speaker 1: the session. The National Guard finally shows up at five 367 00:17:22,480 --> 00:17:25,160 Speaker 1: forty pm. We have to swear them in a special 368 00:17:25,200 --> 00:17:29,840 Speaker 1: police officers. They once they get off their bus, the 369 00:17:29,880 --> 00:17:32,800 Speaker 1: fighting is over. You know, We've got everything done. Everything 370 00:17:32,840 --> 00:17:35,439 Speaker 1: is secured. I brought in seventeen law enforcement agencies, seventeen 371 00:17:35,480 --> 00:17:38,240 Speaker 1: hundred police officers. That's all taken care of. What do 372 00:17:38,320 --> 00:17:40,760 Speaker 1: they do. They line up with all their riote gear, 373 00:17:40,760 --> 00:17:42,280 Speaker 1: take a picture with the Capitol in the background and 374 00:17:42,280 --> 00:17:44,520 Speaker 1: put it on Military Time magazine. I thought you'd just 375 00:17:44,560 --> 00:17:46,080 Speaker 1: get a kick out of that. When the Pentagon had 376 00:17:46,119 --> 00:17:48,239 Speaker 1: said they were so concerned about the optics and to 377 00:17:48,280 --> 00:17:50,119 Speaker 1: have that bed the optics that they took away from it. 378 00:17:50,560 --> 00:17:54,960 Speaker 1: That was interesting. So the next day we're briefing January seventh. 379 00:17:55,240 --> 00:17:57,600 Speaker 1: In the morning of January seventh, we're briefing members of Congress. 380 00:17:57,600 --> 00:18:01,119 Speaker 1: Now now mind you, that evening I talked to Speaker 381 00:18:01,160 --> 00:18:05,680 Speaker 1: Pelosi three times. First time brought around five thirty five. 382 00:18:06,119 --> 00:18:09,040 Speaker 1: I'd gone over to brief Vice President Pence. We had 383 00:18:09,119 --> 00:18:11,959 Speaker 1: him at a secure location on Capitol Hill. He had 384 00:18:12,000 --> 00:18:13,720 Speaker 1: been calling me a couple of times asking me to 385 00:18:13,720 --> 00:18:15,639 Speaker 1: come over and brief him. I couldn't lead, because you know, 386 00:18:15,680 --> 00:18:17,040 Speaker 1: I had to be up in the pan Center getting 387 00:18:17,040 --> 00:18:19,400 Speaker 1: things under control. But once we could, I went over 388 00:18:19,400 --> 00:18:21,720 Speaker 1: to brief him. When I briefed him of when we 389 00:18:21,760 --> 00:18:23,800 Speaker 1: can get them back into session, he got Speaker Pelosi 390 00:18:23,840 --> 00:18:26,879 Speaker 1: on a call. We breef sure. And this has now 391 00:18:26,920 --> 00:18:29,080 Speaker 1: all come out. You see the film footge that comes 392 00:18:29,080 --> 00:18:31,240 Speaker 1: out from her daughter that was with her Speaker Pelosi, 393 00:18:31,800 --> 00:18:34,959 Speaker 1: which he's saying, I take responsibility, and you'll see some 394 00:18:35,000 --> 00:18:36,920 Speaker 1: of this that I talked about. And there's a video 395 00:18:36,960 --> 00:18:41,040 Speaker 1: of me with Pence and her getting a call from Pence, 396 00:18:41,160 --> 00:18:43,399 Speaker 1: and that's one of the calls. So I talked to him. 397 00:18:43,480 --> 00:18:47,000 Speaker 1: I talked her three times, So the next day, we're 398 00:18:47,040 --> 00:18:49,560 Speaker 1: briefing my oversight. We're briefing members of Congress about, you know, 399 00:18:49,560 --> 00:18:51,480 Speaker 1: what the plan is, moving forward with the plans with 400 00:18:51,560 --> 00:18:54,159 Speaker 1: national Board support. When I get a call that Speaker 401 00:18:54,200 --> 00:18:56,639 Speaker 1: Pelosi is right around one o'clock in the afternoon, is 402 00:18:56,680 --> 00:18:58,800 Speaker 1: getting ready to go on national TV and call from 403 00:18:58,800 --> 00:19:05,159 Speaker 1: my resignation. I said, okay, my general counsel and my 404 00:19:05,280 --> 00:19:07,560 Speaker 1: chief administrative officers, you know, said hey, let's go in 405 00:19:07,600 --> 00:19:10,399 Speaker 1: your office. We'll watch it there. Gave my wife a 406 00:19:10,400 --> 00:19:12,200 Speaker 1: little heads up, went in, watched it and knows about 407 00:19:12,200 --> 00:19:14,440 Speaker 1: a twenty minute press conference and it's on YouTube. You 408 00:19:14,480 --> 00:19:16,160 Speaker 1: can watch. It's the very end of the press conference. 409 00:19:16,480 --> 00:19:18,199 Speaker 1: It's a planning question. Somebody asked, you know, what are 410 00:19:18,200 --> 00:19:20,480 Speaker 1: you gonna do about the security figures up on Capitol Hill. 411 00:19:21,080 --> 00:19:22,639 Speaker 1: She says, that's a great question. We're going to do 412 00:19:22,640 --> 00:19:25,399 Speaker 1: an after action study, which would have been smarter if 413 00:19:25,400 --> 00:19:28,920 Speaker 1: she just stopped there. But then she calls me out 414 00:19:28,920 --> 00:19:31,760 Speaker 1: by name and says, I'm calling for the resignation of 415 00:19:31,840 --> 00:19:33,920 Speaker 1: Chief's son. There was a failure of leadership at the top, 416 00:19:34,680 --> 00:19:39,120 Speaker 1: and you know he has to go. He failed. I'm 417 00:19:39,119 --> 00:19:41,440 Speaker 1: trying to think exactly what she said, but you could 418 00:19:41,440 --> 00:19:43,960 Speaker 1: tell she studies over her voice for a little bit. Now, 419 00:19:43,960 --> 00:19:45,879 Speaker 1: mind you, I had caught tried to get National Guard 420 00:19:46,600 --> 00:19:49,880 Speaker 1: in advance on January third and repeatedly on January sixth, 421 00:19:49,880 --> 00:19:53,000 Speaker 1: have been denied by her sergeant at arms specifically. And 422 00:19:53,000 --> 00:19:55,200 Speaker 1: then she goes on national TV says there's a failure 423 00:19:55,240 --> 00:19:57,000 Speaker 1: of leadership at the top of the Capitol police calls 424 00:19:57,040 --> 00:20:00,080 Speaker 1: me out by name, then tells the American public I 425 00:20:00,160 --> 00:20:03,240 Speaker 1: haven't even called her since this curve, which is a lie. Uh, 426 00:20:03,280 --> 00:20:06,880 Speaker 1: and then calls from my resignation. You know, I sat 427 00:20:06,880 --> 00:20:08,919 Speaker 1: and talked to my wife. I was having slept for 428 00:20:08,960 --> 00:20:10,879 Speaker 1: thirty six hours. I was shell shocked. I said, you 429 00:20:10,880 --> 00:20:14,399 Speaker 1: know fine, I submitted my my letter of resignation with 430 00:20:14,480 --> 00:20:19,439 Speaker 1: a three week transition period in the very that The 431 00:20:19,520 --> 00:20:22,240 Speaker 1: very next morning, I got a call saying you're immediately. 432 00:20:22,800 --> 00:20:25,760 Speaker 1: I was cut off from all my computer access uh 433 00:20:25,800 --> 00:20:28,199 Speaker 1: and was to move out of my office immediately. So 434 00:20:28,359 --> 00:20:30,560 Speaker 1: over that weekend I actually was moving everything at my 435 00:20:30,600 --> 00:20:33,040 Speaker 1: office and has never stepped back and foot in that 436 00:20:33,119 --> 00:20:37,880 Speaker 1: office again. Nobody has talked to me. Uh, well, very little. 437 00:20:37,960 --> 00:20:39,960 Speaker 1: I had to go down for a couple of conferences 438 00:20:39,960 --> 00:20:43,520 Speaker 1: but yeah, there wasn't get didn't get access to the investigation, 439 00:20:44,480 --> 00:20:46,840 Speaker 1: nothing like that. So so I agree there was there 440 00:20:46,880 --> 00:20:49,040 Speaker 1: was a number of key people in that crowd that 441 00:20:49,080 --> 00:20:51,720 Speaker 1: I think were problematic, But I think a lot of 442 00:20:51,720 --> 00:20:54,080 Speaker 1: those people in that crowd were what I call strap hangers, 443 00:20:54,119 --> 00:20:56,520 Speaker 1: people that just kind of followed along, looked at the crowd, 444 00:20:56,560 --> 00:20:59,000 Speaker 1: went in, didn't do anything, didn't assault the officers at all. 445 00:21:00,200 --> 00:21:03,120 Speaker 1: You know that, I think, you know, it's a shame 446 00:21:03,160 --> 00:21:05,359 Speaker 1: how some of these people got treated. I've been in 447 00:21:05,359 --> 00:21:09,200 Speaker 1: policing for a long time. I've never seen that type 448 00:21:09,240 --> 00:21:15,040 Speaker 1: of levels of sentencing handed down, even for APO assaultan 449 00:21:15,119 --> 00:21:17,639 Speaker 1: police officer. So I was kind of surprised by that. 450 00:21:17,720 --> 00:21:19,520 Speaker 1: But you know, to be to be stripp away from 451 00:21:19,520 --> 00:21:21,520 Speaker 1: an agency, I loved when I tried to prevent that. 452 00:21:21,600 --> 00:21:23,840 Speaker 1: Now Congress has come out if you look at some 453 00:21:23,880 --> 00:21:27,479 Speaker 1: of the recent hearings and reports, Congress has said if 454 00:21:27,520 --> 00:21:30,520 Speaker 1: the Sergeant at Arms had approved Sun's request for dashboard 455 00:21:30,560 --> 00:21:33,520 Speaker 1: support on January third, chances are the capital have never 456 00:21:33,560 --> 00:21:38,240 Speaker 1: been breached. And then in December seventeenth, twenty twenty four, 457 00:21:38,680 --> 00:21:41,679 Speaker 1: under Chairman Very Louder Route their last report that they 458 00:21:41,720 --> 00:21:43,920 Speaker 1: did now that I think the committee's coming back again. 459 00:21:44,480 --> 00:21:48,280 Speaker 1: Their last report exonerates me by name. But I'm still 460 00:21:48,320 --> 00:21:52,160 Speaker 1: fighting to get the retirement. My retirement was stripped all 461 00:21:52,280 --> 00:21:56,560 Speaker 1: you know, all benefits, everything like that. It was immediately stripped. Yeah, 462 00:21:56,600 --> 00:22:00,720 Speaker 1: oh yeah, yep, yeah I was. I was only a 463 00:22:00,760 --> 00:22:04,280 Speaker 1: few months away from me totally totally vested. And I 464 00:22:04,320 --> 00:22:07,640 Speaker 1: do believe if the facts have been known, I may 465 00:22:07,760 --> 00:22:09,600 Speaker 1: even still be there today. Who knows, but yeah, they 466 00:22:09,600 --> 00:22:13,800 Speaker 1: so they exonerated me December seventeenth, twenty twenty four. I'm 467 00:22:13,800 --> 00:22:16,479 Speaker 1: one of maybe a handful of people in history that 468 00:22:16,520 --> 00:22:19,679 Speaker 1: Congress has exonerated by name, which is which is interesting. 469 00:22:19,720 --> 00:22:22,040 Speaker 1: But I'm still working with the committee, still working with 470 00:22:22,240 --> 00:22:25,640 Speaker 1: Chairman Laudermilk, you know, working to get some executive branch 471 00:22:25,640 --> 00:22:28,680 Speaker 1: support to have them look at my case. Didn't see 472 00:22:28,680 --> 00:22:32,560 Speaker 1: about you know, returning whatever benefits may be stript from me. 473 00:22:33,960 --> 00:22:35,680 Speaker 2: How many years in law enforcement. 474 00:22:37,440 --> 00:22:39,679 Speaker 1: I did, total of thirty years in law enforcement. I 475 00:22:39,720 --> 00:22:42,639 Speaker 1: did retire from DC Police. I did get my retirement 476 00:22:42,680 --> 00:22:45,119 Speaker 1: from DC Police. But for me, it's it's now just 477 00:22:45,240 --> 00:22:48,800 Speaker 1: a it's not the federal retirement's not anything big. But 478 00:22:48,840 --> 00:22:51,000 Speaker 1: for me, it's the principle. It is the fact that 479 00:22:51,080 --> 00:22:53,879 Speaker 1: you know, I tried to stop this. I tried to 480 00:22:53,880 --> 00:22:57,120 Speaker 1: stop it repeatedly. It was repeatedly denied. And this all 481 00:22:57,240 --> 00:22:59,200 Speaker 1: you know I've got. I've turned over all my phone records, 482 00:22:59,240 --> 00:23:03,720 Speaker 1: my transcripts, my email that they have everything. And I 483 00:23:03,800 --> 00:23:05,439 Speaker 1: just find that that interesting that you know I'm the 484 00:23:05,440 --> 00:23:10,480 Speaker 1: one targeted. But you know, well we'll fight. I know. 485 00:23:10,520 --> 00:23:12,240 Speaker 1: The truth is, the truth is coming out. And as 486 00:23:12,280 --> 00:23:14,000 Speaker 1: more the truth comes out, and the better it looks 487 00:23:14,000 --> 00:23:14,199 Speaker 1: for me. 488 00:23:14,720 --> 00:23:18,840 Speaker 2: Lives are destroyed in this manner. You're not going to 489 00:23:18,880 --> 00:23:21,520 Speaker 2: allow your life to be destroyed because you are a 490 00:23:21,560 --> 00:23:25,240 Speaker 2: survivor and a prevailer, but lesser men would be. And 491 00:23:25,640 --> 00:23:28,360 Speaker 2: I think it's very important to see, you know, Chief Son, 492 00:23:28,520 --> 00:23:32,919 Speaker 2: I always counsel doing what I do. I am approached 493 00:23:32,920 --> 00:23:36,680 Speaker 2: with a lot of what will be called conspiracy theories, 494 00:23:36,720 --> 00:23:41,399 Speaker 2: and that is, you know, sometimes slapping a pejorative tag 495 00:23:41,640 --> 00:23:44,800 Speaker 2: on a on a theory that might very well have 496 00:23:44,960 --> 00:23:49,479 Speaker 2: otherwise been legitimate. So I have come to learn and 497 00:23:49,520 --> 00:23:52,840 Speaker 2: I counsel this often. You have to be careful that 498 00:23:52,880 --> 00:23:57,320 Speaker 2: you don't believe every conspiracy theory that is offered, just 499 00:23:57,400 --> 00:24:00,920 Speaker 2: because you're prone to believing and in lined and biased 500 00:24:00,960 --> 00:24:07,000 Speaker 2: and prejudice toward conspiracy theories. However, the parallel to that 501 00:24:07,119 --> 00:24:09,840 Speaker 2: is you have to be careful if you refuse to 502 00:24:09,880 --> 00:24:12,879 Speaker 2: believe anything called a conspiracy theory, or you'll end up 503 00:24:12,920 --> 00:24:16,840 Speaker 2: eighteen shots into Joe Biden's protocol and Fauci's laughing at 504 00:24:16,920 --> 00:24:19,240 Speaker 2: your funeral. So I think there is somewhere in between 505 00:24:19,240 --> 00:24:24,479 Speaker 2: where you have a more temperate, measured approach to news 506 00:24:24,520 --> 00:24:27,359 Speaker 2: of the day. But several of the things that you 507 00:24:27,520 --> 00:24:33,080 Speaker 2: describe strike me as so outside the chain of command, 508 00:24:33,240 --> 00:24:38,159 Speaker 2: so outside traditional policing principles, particularly as it relates to 509 00:24:38,240 --> 00:24:42,560 Speaker 2: a highly political environment. And I realize that you know 510 00:24:42,720 --> 00:24:47,119 Speaker 2: much more and could say much more damning things, and 511 00:24:47,160 --> 00:24:50,359 Speaker 2: I respect the fact that you're holding that tight that 512 00:24:50,480 --> 00:24:54,320 Speaker 2: would be in your defense. But these are things that 513 00:24:54,440 --> 00:24:56,479 Speaker 2: I think every American needs to know, and that the 514 00:24:56,520 --> 00:24:58,760 Speaker 2: Liz Cheney Show trial and all of that which they 515 00:24:58,760 --> 00:25:01,960 Speaker 2: didn't allow you to speak to you know, I consider 516 00:25:02,080 --> 00:25:07,560 Speaker 2: this to be a major calamity, a major disaster in 517 00:25:07,640 --> 00:25:14,600 Speaker 2: American life that needs to be explored to extremely great extent. Chief, 518 00:25:14,600 --> 00:25:16,760 Speaker 2: if you can hold with me for one more segment, 519 00:25:16,800 --> 00:25:20,160 Speaker 2: having they remain scared the death of you, and they 520 00:25:20,200 --> 00:25:21,320 Speaker 2: remain scared. 521 00:25:20,960 --> 00:25:23,560 Speaker 1: To death of Trump. Michael Barry shows You're not going 522 00:25:23,600 --> 00:25:26,480 Speaker 1: anywhere even if Trump does. You're not. 523 00:25:28,280 --> 00:25:31,160 Speaker 2: Even sunned. Is our guest s u ind If you'd 524 00:25:31,200 --> 00:25:33,320 Speaker 2: like to look him up. He's he's written a book 525 00:25:33,440 --> 00:25:35,160 Speaker 2: about all this. We'll talk about that in just a moment. 526 00:25:35,760 --> 00:25:39,520 Speaker 2: He has giving an interview now. He's the former police 527 00:25:39,600 --> 00:25:43,360 Speaker 2: chief of the Capitol Police. On January sixth, twenty twenty one, 528 00:25:43,440 --> 00:25:46,919 Speaker 2: Nancy Pelosi went after him and basically destroyed his career. 529 00:25:47,200 --> 00:25:52,439 Speaker 2: As it were, Chief, sound you you had a lot 530 00:25:52,440 --> 00:25:54,920 Speaker 2: of guys. How big is the Capitol Police Force? 531 00:25:57,119 --> 00:26:00,200 Speaker 1: Capitol Police Force? When I was there, a lot of 532 00:26:00,200 --> 00:26:02,840 Speaker 1: people are kind of surprised by it. It's nine hundred 533 00:26:02,840 --> 00:26:06,359 Speaker 1: and sixty three officers with a budget of about four 534 00:26:06,440 --> 00:26:08,919 Speaker 1: hundred and sixty three million dollars. It comes out to 535 00:26:08,920 --> 00:26:11,120 Speaker 1: me about the twenty fifth department in the country. 536 00:26:11,640 --> 00:26:14,040 Speaker 2: My sons both I have a son who's a senior 537 00:26:14,080 --> 00:26:16,280 Speaker 2: in high school and a son who's now a sophomore 538 00:26:16,320 --> 00:26:21,520 Speaker 2: in college, and they interned for Congressman this summer. And 539 00:26:21,800 --> 00:26:24,000 Speaker 2: I had worked for law firm in d C thirty 540 00:26:24,080 --> 00:26:25,480 Speaker 2: years ago, so it was fun for me and my 541 00:26:25,520 --> 00:26:27,560 Speaker 2: wife to get to go back and spend some time 542 00:26:27,560 --> 00:26:29,359 Speaker 2: there and meet them for lunch and walk around the 543 00:26:29,359 --> 00:26:31,400 Speaker 2: capitol and do the tours and all that. We hadn't 544 00:26:31,400 --> 00:26:34,200 Speaker 2: done that in a long time. And I mean it's significant. 545 00:26:34,200 --> 00:26:36,120 Speaker 2: People don't realize it is. As you said, it would 546 00:26:36,119 --> 00:26:38,720 Speaker 2: be about the twenty fifth largest police force in the country, 547 00:26:39,160 --> 00:26:43,040 Speaker 2: and there are real security concerns, and you know, somebody 548 00:26:43,040 --> 00:26:45,360 Speaker 2: could argue that's too many or whatever else there are. 549 00:26:46,160 --> 00:26:50,080 Speaker 2: It's a spread out area. You have kind of the boulevards, 550 00:26:50,160 --> 00:26:54,679 Speaker 2: the way that the boulevards, the esplanade style, big grand 551 00:26:54,720 --> 00:26:57,720 Speaker 2: European boulevard that's hard to police. There's a lot that 552 00:26:57,760 --> 00:26:59,920 Speaker 2: goes into this. But I want to go back to 553 00:27:00,320 --> 00:27:05,439 Speaker 2: January sixth and the officers there. There were officers who died, 554 00:27:06,359 --> 00:27:09,560 Speaker 2: and one the claim was he was hit by blunt 555 00:27:09,560 --> 00:27:13,240 Speaker 2: force object. And my understanding is whether he was or 556 00:27:13,280 --> 00:27:15,200 Speaker 2: he wasn't. His family said he did not die from 557 00:27:15,200 --> 00:27:18,560 Speaker 2: blunt force trauma. But that you had a number of 558 00:27:18,560 --> 00:27:21,480 Speaker 2: officers who committed suicide. They took their own life. Their 559 00:27:21,520 --> 00:27:23,800 Speaker 2: lives were not taken by the protesters. Can you speak 560 00:27:23,800 --> 00:27:24,080 Speaker 2: to that. 561 00:27:26,720 --> 00:27:29,760 Speaker 1: Absolutely. You've got again, a lot of different questions there, 562 00:27:29,800 --> 00:27:34,959 Speaker 1: So technically there was one officer whose death was a 563 00:27:35,400 --> 00:27:37,880 Speaker 1: they went back and said, it's what they call immediately 564 00:27:37,880 --> 00:27:40,640 Speaker 1: a line of duty death. That was officer Brian sick Nick. 565 00:27:41,280 --> 00:27:42,960 Speaker 1: He was one of the officers that was in Waltston 566 00:27:43,000 --> 00:27:44,520 Speaker 1: of the fighting on the West Front. He had been 567 00:27:44,840 --> 00:27:48,040 Speaker 1: sprayed with turper spray. At one point, the media had 568 00:27:48,119 --> 00:27:49,880 Speaker 1: said he had been hit with the fire extinguisher, which 569 00:27:49,880 --> 00:27:52,080 Speaker 1: didn't turn out to be true. I actually know the 570 00:27:52,119 --> 00:27:54,560 Speaker 1: DC Police office that they got hit by that but 571 00:27:55,640 --> 00:27:59,360 Speaker 1: ended up later on that night at about probably close 572 00:27:59,400 --> 00:28:03,800 Speaker 1: to ten o'clock, maybe between nine and ten, was walking 573 00:28:03,840 --> 00:28:05,960 Speaker 1: with a group of officers. We now have the capital 574 00:28:06,040 --> 00:28:08,800 Speaker 1: under control. We've got a bunch officers on the perimeter, 575 00:28:08,880 --> 00:28:11,840 Speaker 1: insides under control. He's now walking with a couple of 576 00:28:11,840 --> 00:28:14,919 Speaker 1: Capitol Police officers and a Virginia State trooper who happens 577 00:28:14,920 --> 00:28:16,760 Speaker 1: to be a medic to go get a bike t 578 00:28:17,480 --> 00:28:21,240 Speaker 1: He's walking along and he just drops and the medic 579 00:28:21,240 --> 00:28:23,119 Speaker 1: immediately went to work on him, and I had a 580 00:28:23,160 --> 00:28:24,959 Speaker 1: chance stark from the medic. He said, you know, as 581 00:28:24,960 --> 00:28:27,399 Speaker 1: soon as he hit the ground, you there's like, you know, 582 00:28:27,600 --> 00:28:30,200 Speaker 1: he was completely unconscious. He went over to a gw 583 00:28:30,320 --> 00:28:34,560 Speaker 1: Hospital where they identified that he had what appeared to 584 00:28:34,560 --> 00:28:37,400 Speaker 1: be some type of a neurological issue at the base 585 00:28:37,440 --> 00:28:41,320 Speaker 1: of his brain stem with no brain activity and then 586 00:28:41,440 --> 00:28:45,040 Speaker 1: ultimately passed away the very next day. That's the case 587 00:28:45,080 --> 00:28:47,440 Speaker 1: I think you're talking about. The autopsy by the DC 588 00:28:47,560 --> 00:28:51,480 Speaker 1: medical examiner was concluded, and they concluded in the autopsy 589 00:28:51,560 --> 00:28:53,680 Speaker 1: that he passed away with what they said were natural 590 00:28:53,720 --> 00:28:56,200 Speaker 1: causes and he had a double stroke at the base 591 00:28:56,240 --> 00:29:00,400 Speaker 1: of his brain stem. Later on the same medical examiner 592 00:29:00,440 --> 00:29:05,400 Speaker 1: in a press conference had stated that the actually the 593 00:29:05,440 --> 00:29:09,720 Speaker 1: activities of the day contributed to his medical condition. So 594 00:29:09,800 --> 00:29:12,360 Speaker 1: it wasn't in the in the writing, but you know 595 00:29:12,400 --> 00:29:14,280 Speaker 1: that that was enough if you have somebody that's on 596 00:29:14,360 --> 00:29:16,280 Speaker 1: duty and then I'm just saying this from a law 597 00:29:16,320 --> 00:29:19,360 Speaker 1: enforcement management or leadership point of view. If you have 598 00:29:19,400 --> 00:29:23,000 Speaker 1: somebody that's on duty uh in conducting their their line 599 00:29:23,040 --> 00:29:25,840 Speaker 1: of duty and dies, that's going to be a line 600 00:29:25,840 --> 00:29:28,320 Speaker 1: of duty death. And this was a line of duty death. 601 00:29:28,320 --> 00:29:31,360 Speaker 1: So that was a situation with Brian sick Nick. Then 602 00:29:31,400 --> 00:29:34,960 Speaker 1: what you had is on that Saturday, which would have 603 00:29:35,000 --> 00:29:39,320 Speaker 1: been the ninth, January ninth, you had the first of 604 00:29:39,840 --> 00:29:43,240 Speaker 1: a series of suicides first by the name of Howard 605 00:29:43,320 --> 00:29:46,560 Speaker 1: Leaving Goood. He was a US Capitol police officer, lived 606 00:29:46,560 --> 00:29:49,720 Speaker 1: out in Paterfac County. Committed suicide. I was in moving 607 00:29:50,160 --> 00:29:53,120 Speaker 1: all the stuff out of my office when my watchmanager 608 00:29:53,120 --> 00:29:55,479 Speaker 1: came in and passed on that that news to me. Uh, 609 00:29:56,000 --> 00:29:58,160 Speaker 1: the person who was acting you they made acting chief. 610 00:29:58,400 --> 00:30:00,640 Speaker 1: And that's the whole story in itself. I was at 611 00:30:00,640 --> 00:30:02,200 Speaker 1: home and I had to call her and tell her, 612 00:30:02,400 --> 00:30:04,120 Speaker 1: you know, the the news and tell her to come 613 00:30:04,120 --> 00:30:06,320 Speaker 1: on in because, uh, you know, we got a lot 614 00:30:06,360 --> 00:30:10,960 Speaker 1: to do. But yeah, So so his suicide ultimately, after 615 00:30:11,000 --> 00:30:14,160 Speaker 1: a lot of back and forth, was made a line 616 00:30:14,160 --> 00:30:17,640 Speaker 1: of duty death. My my, my thought is, you know, 617 00:30:18,160 --> 00:30:21,920 Speaker 1: with with many lines different lines of work, especially law enforcement, 618 00:30:22,000 --> 00:30:24,920 Speaker 1: you're exposed to a lot of different trauma you go through, 619 00:30:25,080 --> 00:30:27,560 Speaker 1: you know, a lot of different issues. There's a lot 620 00:30:27,600 --> 00:30:31,240 Speaker 1: of PTSD uh in law enforcement. But we've really fought hard, 621 00:30:31,840 --> 00:30:35,000 Speaker 1: uh to make sure that officers know that there's there's options. 622 00:30:35,120 --> 00:30:36,840 Speaker 1: You know, these officers walk around, they've got a gun 623 00:30:36,880 --> 00:30:39,400 Speaker 1: on their hip, uh, you know, whenever they're on duty 624 00:30:39,400 --> 00:30:41,480 Speaker 1: to carry it home with them. Uh. They have other 625 00:30:41,520 --> 00:30:46,080 Speaker 1: options than to than to turn and consider suicide. Now, 626 00:30:46,160 --> 00:30:49,240 Speaker 1: you know, it's it's okay to get counseling, and you 627 00:30:49,280 --> 00:30:52,440 Speaker 1: know a lot of agencies white counseling available to the officers. 628 00:30:53,320 --> 00:30:56,440 Speaker 1: I get concerned that, you know, it's it's always it's 629 00:30:56,840 --> 00:30:59,640 Speaker 1: rare that they'll ever make a suicide line of duty death. 630 00:31:00,080 --> 00:31:01,920 Speaker 1: And I just hate to think that, you know, there's 631 00:31:01,920 --> 00:31:05,400 Speaker 1: other people that thinking, Okay, now we've had his suicide 632 00:31:05,400 --> 00:31:09,280 Speaker 1: declared line of duty. Jeff Smith, who is with DC Police, 633 00:31:09,880 --> 00:31:11,880 Speaker 1: committed suicide. I want to say, apprised me ten days 634 00:31:11,960 --> 00:31:14,760 Speaker 1: later on like January nineteenth. If I have my dates right, 635 00:31:14,760 --> 00:31:16,120 Speaker 1: I think I'm pretty close. But it's been a couple 636 00:31:16,120 --> 00:31:19,120 Speaker 1: of years committed suicide. His was also determined to be 637 00:31:19,160 --> 00:31:22,040 Speaker 1: a line of duty depth. I get concerned that, you know, 638 00:31:22,080 --> 00:31:23,520 Speaker 1: when when you do that, I don't want to give 639 00:31:23,560 --> 00:31:25,520 Speaker 1: officers the impression that, you know, hey, if I've had 640 00:31:25,640 --> 00:31:29,000 Speaker 1: really a couple of traumatic experiences and you know, things 641 00:31:29,000 --> 00:31:31,160 Speaker 1: aren't going well for me, this is an option for 642 00:31:31,200 --> 00:31:34,560 Speaker 1: my family get you know, full full benefits in a 643 00:31:34,560 --> 00:31:38,000 Speaker 1: lot of duty death funeral. It just raised for me. 644 00:31:38,040 --> 00:31:43,000 Speaker 1: It raises concerns when they go through that that you know, 645 00:31:43,320 --> 00:31:44,960 Speaker 1: this may be an option for him, So you know, 646 00:31:45,040 --> 00:31:47,560 Speaker 1: I want any any officers listening that you know, this 647 00:31:47,640 --> 00:31:50,240 Speaker 1: isn't isn't a course of action that you really want 648 00:31:50,280 --> 00:31:53,560 Speaker 1: to take. You know, consider the counseling, consider what other 649 00:31:53,800 --> 00:31:56,840 Speaker 1: options are to you, and you know, don't don't turn 650 00:31:56,880 --> 00:31:59,480 Speaker 1: toward your service weapon or anything like that to solve problems. 651 00:32:01,520 --> 00:32:06,240 Speaker 2: It's unfortunate that an individual is in a position where 652 00:32:06,280 --> 00:32:08,680 Speaker 2: that does make sense to them, and it's a good 653 00:32:08,720 --> 00:32:11,440 Speaker 2: reminder of how difficult this job is and why it 654 00:32:11,520 --> 00:32:15,680 Speaker 2: is deserving of respect. Steven Son, is there anything we 655 00:32:15,720 --> 00:32:17,680 Speaker 2: did not get to? I got about a minute that 656 00:32:17,720 --> 00:32:19,840 Speaker 2: you wanted to offer up before we close. 657 00:32:21,600 --> 00:32:24,640 Speaker 1: Yeah, I appreciate you mentioning the book. My intention was 658 00:32:24,680 --> 00:32:26,240 Speaker 1: to never write a book. Ye always hear about these 659 00:32:26,240 --> 00:32:29,040 Speaker 1: people writing books. I'm sitting at the desk where when 660 00:32:29,040 --> 00:32:30,760 Speaker 1: I was forced to leave. I sat down and I 661 00:32:30,760 --> 00:32:33,160 Speaker 1: started just writing every note I've done after action reports, 662 00:32:33,200 --> 00:32:36,360 Speaker 1: over and over and over again, and started putting this together. 663 00:32:36,400 --> 00:32:38,400 Speaker 1: And at first of my wife was like, be sure 664 00:32:38,440 --> 00:32:39,640 Speaker 1: this is what you want to do, because I was 665 00:32:39,680 --> 00:32:42,480 Speaker 1: relating this for fourteen hours a day every day, and 666 00:32:42,520 --> 00:32:45,560 Speaker 1: then when it all started coming together, you wouldn't believe 667 00:32:45,720 --> 00:32:48,680 Speaker 1: what was going on with the intelligence, with the with 668 00:32:48,760 --> 00:32:51,160 Speaker 1: the FBI, with you know, I was putting together a 669 00:32:51,240 --> 00:32:55,360 Speaker 1: briefing beforehand, and what was being told me that it's 670 00:32:55,400 --> 00:32:57,360 Speaker 1: just when you look at it, it just got so 671 00:32:57,520 --> 00:32:59,440 Speaker 1: chaotic and it didn't have to be like that. I 672 00:32:59,480 --> 00:33:02,360 Speaker 1: still believe January sixth could have been prevented if they 673 00:33:02,400 --> 00:33:04,680 Speaker 1: wanted they had listened to me. But if so many 674 00:33:04,680 --> 00:33:06,800 Speaker 1: people had just done their job the way they're supposed to, 675 00:33:07,360 --> 00:33:09,960 Speaker 1: we wouldn't be here talking right now. So I ended 676 00:33:10,000 --> 00:33:11,760 Speaker 1: up putting it together. It's now been referred to on 677 00:33:12,120 --> 00:33:15,160 Speaker 1: Capitol Hill as the tentative after Action of January sixth. 678 00:33:15,600 --> 00:33:18,280 Speaker 1: If your readers are interested, it's on Amazon. Get the paperback. 679 00:33:18,480 --> 00:33:21,360 Speaker 1: The paperback has the most up to date information, but 680 00:33:21,720 --> 00:33:25,280 Speaker 1: I think they'll find it shocking. It's the exoneration I got. 681 00:33:25,360 --> 00:33:27,520 Speaker 1: Some Congress isn't even in there because it happens since 682 00:33:27,520 --> 00:33:30,360 Speaker 1: the last edition. So I'm sure that'll be updated. But 683 00:33:30,680 --> 00:33:33,240 Speaker 1: you know, January sixth committee under very louder Muck's coming back. 684 00:33:33,360 --> 00:33:35,080 Speaker 1: You know, they may invite me down to testify. I'm 685 00:33:35,080 --> 00:33:39,000 Speaker 1: more than happy to testify. That'll be probably the third 686 00:33:39,000 --> 00:33:42,000 Speaker 1: time I've been down to testify. One time the Sele 687 00:33:42,040 --> 00:33:45,120 Speaker 1: Comitte wouldn't let me testify in public. But you're gonna 688 00:33:45,120 --> 00:33:46,480 Speaker 1: hear a little ye know. You'll read a little bit 689 00:33:46,480 --> 00:33:48,680 Speaker 1: about the Slight Committee and some of the issues they had. 690 00:33:49,600 --> 00:33:51,360 Speaker 1: But no, I appreciate you mentioned it, and I appreciate 691 00:33:51,400 --> 00:33:53,720 Speaker 1: your interest in the In the story, there's there's still 692 00:33:53,720 --> 00:33:54,400 Speaker 1: a lot more there. 693 00:33:55,000 --> 00:33:55,920 Speaker 2: Thank you for your service. 694 00:33:55,920 --> 00:33:56,400 Speaker 1: Good surface. 695 00:33:56,400 --> 00:33:59,640 Speaker 2: Steven Son, Capitol Police Chief in Juniors. 696 00:34:00,000 --> 00:34:04,600 Speaker 1: Ex Alas has left for dull In. Thank you, and goodnight.