WEBVTT - Katie Peuvrelle 0:00:00.080 --> 0:00:02.400 Holy Human with Leanne Rhymes is a production of I 0:00:02.520 --> 0:00:17.120 Heart Radio. Hello everyone, welcome to the final episode of 0:00:17.160 --> 0:00:20.160 this season of Holy Human. Thank you for being patient 0:00:20.360 --> 0:00:23.640 with me. We have gone a few weeks without an 0:00:23.680 --> 0:00:25.880 episode and it is because I have been on the 0:00:25.960 --> 0:00:29.600 road and every time I come home, UM, I have 0:00:29.720 --> 0:00:34.320 been in need of some rests. So I am doing 0:00:34.320 --> 0:00:37.040 everything to take care of myself while also connecting with you, 0:00:37.800 --> 0:00:40.519 and I, like I said, I appreciate you being very patient. 0:00:40.760 --> 0:00:44.000 So we are going to dive into the final episode 0:00:44.159 --> 0:00:48.159 right now. I am welcoming a woman who has had 0:00:48.200 --> 0:00:50.880 a huge impact on my life in a relatively short 0:00:50.960 --> 0:00:54.959 amount of time. Katie Prevail is a performance coach who 0:00:54.960 --> 0:00:58.440 guides high performers to find deeper joy and fulfillment on 0:00:58.640 --> 0:01:03.240 both professional and personal levels. She's also the author of 0:01:03.400 --> 0:01:07.840 Leap Own Your Excellence and Engage Your Best Self. I 0:01:08.040 --> 0:01:10.280 found this book to be a game changer for me 0:01:10.480 --> 0:01:13.080 and I cannot wait for you to meet Katie on 0:01:13.120 --> 0:01:39.280 today's episode. I'm Holy here. Yeah, Yeah, this is amazing. 0:01:39.319 --> 0:01:43.000 I'm so excited. Hi, Katie, mak you so much for 0:01:43.319 --> 0:01:45.920 coming on here. Just to give people a backstory, I 0:01:46.000 --> 0:01:50.440 met Katie through Mindy Pells, who is on our podcast 0:01:50.520 --> 0:01:55.279 not long ago, and um, yeah, Mindy and I started 0:01:55.280 --> 0:01:59.120 working on everything body, and she was like, I have 0:01:59.280 --> 0:02:02.560 this woman who's absolutely incredible. She wrote this book called 0:02:02.640 --> 0:02:05.520 Leap Um, which I've had many people tell me you 0:02:05.520 --> 0:02:07.120 should read the book Leap, you should read the book 0:02:07.200 --> 0:02:09.320 Leap And then all of a sudden, Mindy brought it up, 0:02:09.720 --> 0:02:11.680 and I'm like, Okay, I'm going to dive into this book, 0:02:12.000 --> 0:02:15.880 see what Katie is all about. And it was just yeah, 0:02:15.919 --> 0:02:18.240 it was. It was a very expansive book for me 0:02:18.480 --> 0:02:22.200 and as a performer, especially because you talk all about performance, 0:02:22.200 --> 0:02:25.040 which we'll get into, but I'm I'm so glad Mindy 0:02:25.160 --> 0:02:30.280 introduced us, and Katie has become a huge part of 0:02:30.320 --> 0:02:33.040 my life, and so I thought we'd we dive into 0:02:33.080 --> 0:02:35.079 your book a little bit. But I also want to 0:02:35.160 --> 0:02:37.600 explore some of the things that you and I've personally 0:02:37.600 --> 0:02:41.880 been working on, because you know, as this podcast is 0:02:41.919 --> 0:02:45.280 called Holy Human, I think, um, the things that we 0:02:45.360 --> 0:02:49.079 have been working on together really fit into this wholeness 0:02:49.120 --> 0:02:51.840 piece everything that I've been looking to do with my life, 0:02:52.440 --> 0:02:54.520 not only as a performer but as a human. And 0:02:54.560 --> 0:02:57.520 I think people who listen are looking to do the same. 0:02:57.680 --> 0:03:00.640 So that's kind of the backstory of I would love 0:03:00.680 --> 0:03:02.840 to hear, and I know our listeners would love to hear, 0:03:02.880 --> 0:03:05.480 Like if you could explain to anyone? And I ask 0:03:05.520 --> 0:03:07.239 people this a lot because I feel like people I 0:03:08.000 --> 0:03:10.680 bring on here, it's not clear cut, like what do 0:03:10.760 --> 0:03:15.320 you do? So what what if someone was to meet 0:03:15.320 --> 0:03:17.680 you for the first time, how would you explain what 0:03:17.720 --> 0:03:21.000 you do to someone? That is the million dollar question. 0:03:21.560 --> 0:03:23.840 You're like, I'm still figuring that out. How long have 0:03:23.880 --> 0:03:29.160 you got faceted? It's multifaceted, as are we humans? Right, 0:03:29.720 --> 0:03:32.680 that's a little little plug in there for that. Um. 0:03:32.800 --> 0:03:35.280 One of the things I've been saying recently is that 0:03:35.440 --> 0:03:38.760 I'm I'm on a mission to bring kindness and connection 0:03:39.280 --> 0:03:43.440 to the pursuit of excellence. And yeah, so that's one 0:03:43.480 --> 0:03:46.360 of the things that is meaningful to me as well 0:03:46.400 --> 0:03:50.560 as helping I help high performers in all different forms 0:03:50.640 --> 0:03:54.160 or any humans in their realm of human performance bring 0:03:54.240 --> 0:03:56.240 more of who they really are into what they do 0:03:56.320 --> 0:03:58.360 so they can live a life that's more fulfilling and 0:03:58.400 --> 0:04:04.240 more joyous. That's interesting because I think when I think 0:04:04.240 --> 0:04:08.520 of the pursuit of excellence. Kindness and connection are not 0:04:08.680 --> 0:04:11.360 the first two things that I think of, especially not 0:04:11.480 --> 0:04:16.000 only outwardly, because I think there's there's a lot of competition, 0:04:16.760 --> 0:04:19.080 you know, and we've we've been, we've grown up around 0:04:19.160 --> 0:04:23.920 I know I have personally around competition, especially with other women. Absolutely, 0:04:24.120 --> 0:04:27.120 but it's not only that outwardly, but it's internally is 0:04:27.160 --> 0:04:29.920 what I feel. And here when you say that, I'm 0:04:29.960 --> 0:04:32.320 so glad, that's what I think too. It's it's a 0:04:32.400 --> 0:04:35.159 kindness to self, and it's a kindness to others and 0:04:35.240 --> 0:04:38.479 almost a kindness to all of the circumstances that tend 0:04:38.600 --> 0:04:41.560 to come in to high performance. As you know, I 0:04:41.600 --> 0:04:44.600 grew up as a figure skater, which is an extremely competitive, 0:04:45.440 --> 0:04:48.880 kind of unforgiving world for young women. And I think 0:04:48.960 --> 0:04:51.839 part of my mission is to kind of heal a 0:04:51.839 --> 0:04:56.719 big part of myself as well as heal other humans 0:04:56.760 --> 0:05:01.400 that are in that space of really appreciating it's excellence. 0:05:01.520 --> 0:05:04.880 And it's also like bringing all of you to whatever 0:05:04.920 --> 0:05:08.479 you do because it matters to you, um, and learning 0:05:08.520 --> 0:05:11.640 to bring yourself to that with perhaps less judgment and 0:05:11.680 --> 0:05:16.200 more kindness. Yeah, I mean, I think whether or not 0:05:16.279 --> 0:05:19.960 you're an actual performer, I think we're all performing, right, Yes, 0:05:21.000 --> 0:05:23.640 life is a performance. Didn't Shakespeare say something like that 0:05:24.360 --> 0:05:27.520 life is a stage? And it's true though, And I 0:05:27.560 --> 0:05:31.599 think there's we can utilize that, I guess with kindness 0:05:31.640 --> 0:05:34.960 and connection, or it can go completely the opposite way, 0:05:34.960 --> 0:05:37.719 where we we feel like we're always having to be on. 0:05:37.880 --> 0:05:39.560 I know this is something you and I talked about 0:05:39.560 --> 0:05:41.840 a lot, Like I always feel like I have to 0:05:41.880 --> 0:05:45.280 be on, and it doesn't really shut off, even in 0:05:45.760 --> 0:05:51.200 my personal relationships or when I'm when I'm not playing 0:05:51.320 --> 0:05:55.919 Leanne rhymes, but I'm just being Leanne. It's like, Okay, 0:05:55.920 --> 0:05:58.080 I didn't know. I don't know where that off switches. 0:05:58.120 --> 0:06:01.480 And I think people can get locked into we can 0:06:01.480 --> 0:06:03.800 get so locked into our performances of who we think 0:06:03.839 --> 0:06:06.760 we need to be that exactly, it just kind of 0:06:06.800 --> 0:06:10.240 spills over into all different parts of our lives. It 0:06:10.360 --> 0:06:15.120 sure does. And I think sometimes recognizing that maybe if 0:06:15.120 --> 0:06:17.600 we can find an off switch switch that can work 0:06:17.760 --> 0:06:20.000 where you can turn it off and just be you 0:06:20.160 --> 0:06:22.520 or be more of all of who you are, and 0:06:22.640 --> 0:06:25.560 sometimes that part of ourselves doesn't want to be switched off. 0:06:25.680 --> 0:06:27.479 It's going to fight for its life. It's gonna say 0:06:27.480 --> 0:06:30.200 oh no, I got stuff to say, I got things 0:06:30.240 --> 0:06:32.880 to do. What I'm bored, It's going to say all 0:06:32.920 --> 0:06:35.200 the things it says, right, And so then the works 0:06:35.240 --> 0:06:38.359 a little different to recognize. Okay, maybe I can listen 0:06:38.360 --> 0:06:41.480 to that voice and make other choices, but sometimes the 0:06:41.560 --> 0:06:44.920 pushing it away will actually make it come back with 0:06:44.960 --> 0:06:47.560 more force in terms of it wanting to drive your 0:06:47.560 --> 0:06:50.280 decisions right, for sure, I definitely want to get into that. 0:06:50.360 --> 0:06:55.839 I would. It would the with performance psychology. How would 0:06:55.880 --> 0:06:59.720 you how would you describe performance psychology to someone who like, 0:06:59.760 --> 0:07:05.880 what is it different than normal psychology? Yeah, performance psychology 0:07:06.000 --> 0:07:11.600 is more I would say it's in general, it's the psychology, 0:07:11.640 --> 0:07:16.360 it's around mindset, and it's around UM. It's for people 0:07:16.400 --> 0:07:21.200 who are in high stakes circumstances. So it's traditionally for 0:07:21.280 --> 0:07:26.160 high performing athletes, for performing artists, for even for people 0:07:26.640 --> 0:07:30.120 in the high risk professions UM where there is a 0:07:30.120 --> 0:07:33.320 lot of emotional output where their lives at risk. And 0:07:33.400 --> 0:07:36.120 even though it might seem like a broad spectrum, anytime 0:07:36.720 --> 0:07:39.520 you're in a your your performer, you're having to do 0:07:39.600 --> 0:07:41.920 what you do in a situation where it feels to 0:07:42.000 --> 0:07:44.440 you like the stakes are high and there's a sense 0:07:44.480 --> 0:07:48.960 of vulnerability, in a sense of um, yeah, vulnerability. Then 0:07:49.120 --> 0:07:52.560 that's where I feel like performance psychology comes in. I 0:07:52.600 --> 0:07:57.760 feel like that's just life. Especially these days, everything seems 0:07:57.800 --> 0:08:00.960 like it high stakes. But I guess it's mindset, right. 0:08:01.000 --> 0:08:05.880 I mean, it's we have been so trained to think 0:08:05.960 --> 0:08:09.520 that everything is high stakes and that you know, there's 0:08:09.560 --> 0:08:14.240 such a uh mindset of lack that we have all 0:08:14.800 --> 0:08:17.200 it's kind of all been driven into most of us, 0:08:17.520 --> 0:08:20.280 um for a very long time, and it's it can 0:08:20.280 --> 0:08:23.720 be really challenging to step out of that situation or 0:08:23.800 --> 0:08:28.280 those mindsets. And yes, I think that well, first off, 0:08:28.320 --> 0:08:30.120 think that there's a new way of being in this 0:08:30.240 --> 0:08:33.880 world and that's where your kindness and connection come in. 0:08:34.520 --> 0:08:38.800 Is it's it really is completely doing a one A 0:08:38.920 --> 0:08:41.120 D from I think the way we've all been set up. 0:08:42.040 --> 0:08:44.720 I think so, And that's I feel like it's time 0:08:44.760 --> 0:08:47.880 for a paradigm shift, especially as we really go forward 0:08:47.880 --> 0:08:50.880 now given everything that's happened in recent years, that how 0:08:50.920 --> 0:08:53.079 can we connect more to each other? How can we 0:08:53.240 --> 0:08:56.360 lead with kindness instead of with judgment or with fear. 0:08:56.880 --> 0:08:59.680 But I think that's um, it's really the place that 0:08:59.760 --> 0:09:03.200 I want to be assuring in this new paradigm through 0:09:03.240 --> 0:09:05.640 the through the lens of the people that I work with. 0:09:06.960 --> 0:09:09.520 So you're asking that question of how, how what are 0:09:09.559 --> 0:09:12.480 some of the ways that you're finding for yourself and 0:09:12.679 --> 0:09:15.800 through the work that you're doing with others, of ways 0:09:15.840 --> 0:09:19.840 that we can start connecting more with ourselves and with others. 0:09:19.880 --> 0:09:22.080 And this this kindness piece. How can we bring this 0:09:22.200 --> 0:09:26.760 kindness piece word? Yeah? I think you really you really 0:09:27.400 --> 0:09:29.600 nailed it when you when you said that your first 0:09:29.679 --> 0:09:34.040 hit was Okay, it's kindness to myself because I mean, really, 0:09:34.080 --> 0:09:37.000 the world is a is a projection. What we perceive 0:09:37.080 --> 0:09:38.920 the world to be is a projection of our own 0:09:38.920 --> 0:09:41.640 inner world. So the more we judge ourselves, the more 0:09:41.679 --> 0:09:43.880 we're going to perceive that we're being judged or the 0:09:43.880 --> 0:09:46.520 world is going to feel like less of a safe place. 0:09:47.520 --> 0:09:51.280 So I think it really does start at home. Um. 0:09:51.400 --> 0:09:53.560 I always I often say to people, Yeah, it really 0:09:53.720 --> 0:09:59.880 is all about you start here. Yeah, you said the 0:10:00.000 --> 0:10:03.960 word home, which you and I've been working with um 0:10:04.000 --> 0:10:07.080 this piece and I've mentioned in on the podcast with 0:10:07.080 --> 0:10:12.400 with another guest recently, which is this idea of home frequency, 0:10:12.440 --> 0:10:15.360 and you and I work a lot with bringing soul 0:10:15.600 --> 0:10:19.240 into the equation you know, what is? What does that 0:10:19.320 --> 0:10:23.920 look like? What is I'd love for you to describe 0:10:24.000 --> 0:10:30.080 what you feel. Home frequency is two people. Oh yeah, 0:10:29.240 --> 0:10:33.080 it's um. The concept and the experience of it is 0:10:33.120 --> 0:10:36.640 it's so close to my heart and um and I've 0:10:36.800 --> 0:10:39.840 I've witnessed it sort of allow you to expand too 0:10:40.280 --> 0:10:43.640 in the way where so home frequency, to me, first 0:10:43.640 --> 0:10:45.840 of all, is maybe another word or another way of 0:10:45.880 --> 0:10:49.000 talking about your the frequency of your soul, of your essence, 0:10:49.040 --> 0:10:52.559 of your true self. I mean this probably are all 0:10:52.559 --> 0:10:56.160 synonyms for the same experience. And then when you look 0:10:56.200 --> 0:10:58.040 at it from the level of or through the lens 0:10:58.080 --> 0:11:04.720 of frequency meaning ofvibration, meaning meaning vibration, then it's like 0:11:04.760 --> 0:11:06.800 your home frequency is when you when you can begin 0:11:06.880 --> 0:11:10.120 to identify that, when you can begin to feel what 0:11:10.240 --> 0:11:12.559 it feels like where you're really aligning with your true 0:11:12.600 --> 0:11:14.640 self or like you and I say, coming home to 0:11:14.679 --> 0:11:18.160 yourself where there can be a place of kindness because 0:11:18.200 --> 0:11:21.720 your home frequency, your soul's essence is rarely unkind to you. 0:11:22.640 --> 0:11:25.200 UM and yeah, so when you can come there, you 0:11:25.240 --> 0:11:28.079 can start to go, oh, this feels, this feels kinder, 0:11:29.080 --> 0:11:31.960 and and sometimes we dip into the home frequency, and 0:11:31.960 --> 0:11:33.560 then we kind of pop back out and we go 0:11:33.600 --> 0:11:36.319 into the false selves and the ego constructs and all 0:11:36.360 --> 0:11:39.240 of that which is just human. Right, It's like, oh okay, 0:11:39.280 --> 0:11:42.079 And then the first work is really to recognize, oh 0:11:42.160 --> 0:11:44.920 I popped out? How can I? How can I drop 0:11:45.000 --> 0:11:46.959 back in? Because I almost feel like it's a popping 0:11:46.960 --> 0:11:50.480 out into the into the constructs. And then the going 0:11:50.520 --> 0:11:54.160 into home frequency is more of a surrender and recognizing 0:11:54.200 --> 0:11:57.800 what is you by kind of releasing what's not you. 0:11:58.880 --> 0:12:03.800 How does how do we begin to find that home frequency? Yeah, 0:12:03.840 --> 0:12:07.240 it's so something that I believe is really important is 0:12:07.280 --> 0:12:09.360 first of all, I think we need to recognize that 0:12:09.480 --> 0:12:12.240 frequency is the thing, right. I mean it's a little 0:12:12.240 --> 0:12:14.760 woo woo, right, But at the same time, frequency is frequency. 0:12:14.760 --> 0:12:19.200 Everything is frequency. Everything is energy. Yeah, Einstein taught us that, 0:12:19.280 --> 0:12:21.440 you know. And it's funny even though I know that, 0:12:21.559 --> 0:12:25.520 like sometimes it's sometimes the the piece of me that 0:12:25.559 --> 0:12:28.680 pops out of home frequency. It wants to judge the 0:12:28.720 --> 0:12:30.680 fact that I'm like, oh, this is energy. I can't 0:12:30.720 --> 0:12:34.000 see it, but if you think about it, like you're 0:12:34.040 --> 0:12:36.920 constantly feeling it. If we go into that place of feeling. 0:12:37.559 --> 0:12:40.960 You know, you're we're constantly feeling the energies around us, 0:12:41.520 --> 0:12:44.240 you know, just as simple as if there's someone in 0:12:44.360 --> 0:12:47.080 the room that changes the vibe of the room or 0:12:47.120 --> 0:12:49.880 how you feel like. I think, first off, we have 0:12:49.960 --> 0:12:53.720 to get into paying attention to that, to those feelings. 0:12:54.080 --> 0:12:56.160 But I know it's it's really you say, it's woo woo. 0:12:56.360 --> 0:13:00.800 And it does seem sometimes like what am I doing? Whatever? 0:13:01.000 --> 0:13:02.480 What am I doing? What am I doing though this 0:13:02.559 --> 0:13:05.079 thing that I can't see, But it's it is if 0:13:05.120 --> 0:13:08.439 it's it really, if you really boil it down like it, um, 0:13:08.520 --> 0:13:14.360 everything is energy, and I think discovering I know for me, 0:13:14.600 --> 0:13:20.440 you know, through meditation through to feeling into my heart, UM, 0:13:20.600 --> 0:13:22.800 I feel I don't know how you feel energy, but 0:13:22.840 --> 0:13:26.240 I feel energy like in waves, like when I really 0:13:26.440 --> 0:13:30.120 tune into myself, um and drop into my heart and 0:13:30.160 --> 0:13:33.600 like and somewhat quiet the mind. The mind is never 0:13:33.679 --> 0:13:38.560 fully quiet at o't. Yeah. I can start to feel 0:13:39.600 --> 0:13:43.199 this kind of flow of what feels a little more 0:13:43.280 --> 0:13:48.840 open um and more like the true self. M It 0:13:48.880 --> 0:13:51.440 feels more flow, it feels more open. A lot of 0:13:51.440 --> 0:13:54.040 people will describe it as that I think you asked 0:13:54.080 --> 0:13:56.480 sort of my experience of it two, which is I 0:13:56.520 --> 0:13:59.959 feel very peaceful, and I can feel when my mind 0:14:00.080 --> 0:14:02.600 is a little bit quieter. When I'm in home frequency 0:14:02.880 --> 0:14:06.240 and I have more I feel much more expansive, and 0:14:06.280 --> 0:14:10.559 I feel more connected to to kind of mysticism into 0:14:10.720 --> 0:14:14.640 you know, even more connected to what isn't visible, like 0:14:14.679 --> 0:14:18.120 the non physical realm, the realm of what's not visible. 0:14:19.160 --> 0:14:22.080 So you know, we just I just mentioned meditation and 0:14:22.400 --> 0:14:25.120 kind of connecting to the heart. Are there any are 0:14:25.120 --> 0:14:28.120 there any ways for people to that you would recommend 0:14:28.160 --> 0:14:33.440 to start dropping into their own home frequency. M hmm. Yeah, definitely. 0:14:33.520 --> 0:14:36.800 Meditation is or what I even call sometimes as simply 0:14:36.840 --> 0:14:41.360 as a daily practice. Is something to consider it in 0:14:41.400 --> 0:14:44.520 the daily practice, meaning it's something you can do every 0:14:44.560 --> 0:14:46.960 day where you say, okay, even for five minutes, I'm 0:14:46.960 --> 0:14:49.960 going to stop and I'm going to even just notice 0:14:50.280 --> 0:14:53.640 what our thoughts as it put with because thoughts or energy. 0:14:54.240 --> 0:14:59.840 And then okay, what is not thought? So these are thoughts, pictures, words, whatever. 0:15:00.040 --> 0:15:03.480 And then what is not thought is sensations in my body. 0:15:03.800 --> 0:15:06.240 What is not thought is the temperature of the era 0:15:06.360 --> 0:15:09.400 around me. So you start to even begin to recognize 0:15:09.600 --> 0:15:15.800 the aspects of your experience UM and then moving out 0:15:15.800 --> 0:15:17.480 of your left brain and out of your head is 0:15:17.520 --> 0:15:20.160 a way to begin to dip into that home frequency. 0:15:20.280 --> 0:15:22.960 So that's just a start, right, Yeah, for sure. I've 0:15:22.960 --> 0:15:29.520 been reading Michael Singer's book recently, and you know, we 0:15:29.560 --> 0:15:31.440 talk a lot about witness. He talks a lot about 0:15:31.440 --> 0:15:35.040 witness consciousness. And one of the things that's really been 0:15:35.080 --> 0:15:38.120 interesting for me is, and I feel like this is 0:15:38.160 --> 0:15:42.000 similar of what we're talking about now, is to recognize 0:15:42.040 --> 0:15:45.560 that we are consciousness. We are the one who's who's 0:15:45.840 --> 0:15:48.920 who's noticing what's coming up. We're the one noticing the thoughts. 0:15:48.960 --> 0:15:51.240 We are the one noticing the pain. Like I was 0:15:51.480 --> 0:15:53.080 in my back hurt the other day, I was like 0:15:53.440 --> 0:15:56.120 just reminding myself, I am the I am. I am 0:15:56.160 --> 0:16:00.440 the one noticing. UM allows you kind of step out 0:16:00.440 --> 0:16:04.200 of that constant rumination or pain that you're in or 0:16:04.200 --> 0:16:06.920 whatever it may be, and even if it's for a moment, 0:16:07.560 --> 0:16:09.560 because I went right back into the pain, but I 0:16:09.600 --> 0:16:11.560 was like, oh, I'm the one noticing. And I kept 0:16:11.640 --> 0:16:15.680 kind of playing with that. UM to me that the 0:16:15.720 --> 0:16:20.200 one noticing UM, the witness is the home frequency. And 0:16:20.320 --> 0:16:24.080 I don't know, I don't know if we can hang 0:16:24.120 --> 0:16:26.880 out there all the time, you know, I mean, or 0:16:26.920 --> 0:16:29.240 even if we're supposed to write that's the thing. I know. 0:16:29.320 --> 0:16:30.720 You said it to me a lot. You're like, are 0:16:30.720 --> 0:16:33.400 you really supposed to hang out there? Um? But I 0:16:33.440 --> 0:16:36.440 guess it's you know, as we talk about, you know, 0:16:36.520 --> 0:16:40.760 bringing soul to performance and bringing soul into our lives, 0:16:41.360 --> 0:16:44.840 how you know, how do we bring how do we 0:16:45.360 --> 0:16:50.000 bring more of that home frequency into our daily our 0:16:50.080 --> 0:16:54.880 daily life. Yes, exactly. The question I almost feel like 0:16:54.920 --> 0:16:59.200 that is that is probably a life purpose, right What 0:16:59.360 --> 0:17:01.680 is your soul to experience? What is it here to learn? 0:17:01.720 --> 0:17:04.920 And there's so many different ideas about why we're here. 0:17:05.359 --> 0:17:08.720 Some some spiritual teachers will just say, Okay, we're just 0:17:08.760 --> 0:17:12.639 here to be entertained, you know, to as much as oh, 0:17:12.680 --> 0:17:15.360 there's a deep purpose to have have a huge impact 0:17:15.480 --> 0:17:19.560 and whatever you believe it is, it is and you know, um, 0:17:19.680 --> 0:17:22.520 but I think yeah, to to to talk about like 0:17:22.680 --> 0:17:26.399 how you bring soul into performance is is really I 0:17:26.480 --> 0:17:29.560 think it starts with being able to recognize your home 0:17:29.640 --> 0:17:33.800 frequency and to gain some facility in being able to 0:17:34.320 --> 0:17:36.919 kind of okay, let me drop into that space of 0:17:36.960 --> 0:17:38.840 my heart dropping into my heart, let me let me 0:17:38.880 --> 0:17:41.240 feel my body. Even just feeling in your body gets 0:17:41.240 --> 0:17:45.040 you out of that the logical thinking, and then whatever 0:17:45.119 --> 0:17:47.639 practice you have or you create for yourself to be 0:17:47.760 --> 0:17:52.560 able to be the witness to recognize okay, I'm having thoughts, 0:17:52.800 --> 0:17:56.200 for example, who who is it having the thoughts? Who 0:17:56.280 --> 0:17:59.120 is it recognizing the thoughts? Okay? Can I remember that 0:17:59.560 --> 0:18:01.960 I am recognizing the thoughts? And that is the place 0:18:02.000 --> 0:18:05.639 to be. So when you develop that practice, then when 0:18:05.680 --> 0:18:08.959 you're performing, there are tools and techniques, and sometimes I'll 0:18:09.040 --> 0:18:12.879 use hypnosis, use different anchors or ways of moving energy 0:18:12.920 --> 0:18:17.320 in the moment that that will be more conducive to 0:18:17.320 --> 0:18:19.760 to you being able to drop into that home frequency 0:18:19.760 --> 0:18:22.000 and express more of your soul into what you're doing. 0:18:22.720 --> 0:18:25.320 It's interesting that it's just talking. I was just thinking 0:18:25.320 --> 0:18:29.200 about what that feels like for me and I when 0:18:29.240 --> 0:18:31.920 I really drop into my home frequency, sometimes I feel 0:18:31.920 --> 0:18:34.600 like it wants nothing, and that this is kind of 0:18:34.600 --> 0:18:39.960 the conundrum as a performer, as someone who achieves, I 0:18:40.040 --> 0:18:42.720 kind of feel like I get I'm I have not yet. 0:18:43.840 --> 0:18:47.800 I have not yet figured out how to fully or 0:18:47.800 --> 0:18:51.120 how to yeah, how to fully bring that piece of 0:18:51.160 --> 0:18:56.959 myself into the doing because it feels very separate sometimes, 0:18:57.040 --> 0:19:00.200 Like when I drop into that place of soul, it's 0:19:00.200 --> 0:19:03.800 like there, it wants nothing mm hmm. It doesn't want 0:19:03.840 --> 0:19:06.520 to achieve, It's like it does it just wants to be, 0:19:06.800 --> 0:19:09.000 And it's like, well, how do how do I bring 0:19:09.040 --> 0:19:13.840 the being into the doing? Exactly? That exactly, And I 0:19:13.880 --> 0:19:16.320 think that's that's part of the journey of what we're learning. 0:19:16.320 --> 0:19:20.040 I mean, truly, it really is. I almost think of like, okay, 0:19:20.080 --> 0:19:23.280 there there is um, Like soul is sort of a circle, 0:19:23.320 --> 0:19:25.400 if you will, and then it has these little offshoots 0:19:25.480 --> 0:19:27.440 or maybe this is a this is a better analogy, 0:19:27.840 --> 0:19:30.840 like we're a jewel, but if we as a being 0:19:30.960 --> 0:19:34.240 or a jewel with many facets, but our essence is 0:19:34.280 --> 0:19:39.640 the jewel itself. Right, So it's like it's almost gonna 0:19:39.680 --> 0:19:43.679 be both. So like even in that I'm identifying it 0:19:43.720 --> 0:19:45.560 as we're talking here and kind of feeling into it, 0:19:45.640 --> 0:19:48.680 you know, So if you remain in this remembering that, Okay, 0:19:48.680 --> 0:19:51.160 I am the jewel, I'm a jewel that has facets. 0:19:51.160 --> 0:19:54.760 I'm observing these facets. One of these facets is Land Rhymes, 0:19:54.760 --> 0:19:59.600 who is performing now, right, But even those aspects of you. 0:20:00.600 --> 0:20:03.480 They're not not you. There are aspects of you. So 0:20:03.760 --> 0:20:06.320 is there a way that you can almost consciously from 0:20:06.320 --> 0:20:10.240 that awareness points say Okay, I'm going to give Leanne 0:20:10.280 --> 0:20:13.000 Rhymes a voice now, or I'm going to give Katie 0:20:13.000 --> 0:20:16.040 Pivrel a voice now, or I'm so it's as long 0:20:16.080 --> 0:20:19.640 as it's coming from choice number one. Then then that 0:20:19.960 --> 0:20:23.760 part or the persona isn't driving things right, and that's 0:20:23.760 --> 0:20:26.480 when you begin to have a different experience. And the 0:20:26.520 --> 0:20:29.000 other thing I was thinking is, yes, the soul doesn't 0:20:29.040 --> 0:20:33.240 want to achieve. Soul wants to be, So how can 0:20:33.400 --> 0:20:38.240 you be in the moment explore like the performing in 0:20:38.320 --> 0:20:43.720 the moment without it being um a motivation for achievement, 0:20:43.760 --> 0:20:47.080 but more for experience, because the soul is kind of 0:20:47.119 --> 0:20:52.680 here to experience. That's a great. Yeah, well my imagine 0:20:52.840 --> 0:20:54.440 My mind just went to But I don't want to 0:20:54.480 --> 0:20:59.679 do that because I guess the question for myself that 0:20:59.720 --> 0:21:03.200 I ask and for everybody I think, in their own profession, 0:21:03.600 --> 0:21:08.920 without the achievement, would you still choose to experience what 0:21:08.960 --> 0:21:22.040 you're doing exactly? And right, Yeah, we're going and we're 0:21:22.040 --> 0:21:24.680 going to dive even more deeply into that question when 0:21:24.720 --> 0:21:33.399 we return from a quick break, Welcome back, my loves. 0:21:33.800 --> 0:21:36.800 Katie and I were just exploring the role of achievement 0:21:37.080 --> 0:21:42.320 versus experience as motivation for performance. I've been asking myself 0:21:42.359 --> 0:21:45.520 that question, and the truth is like, I really don't know. 0:21:45.800 --> 0:21:50.119 And I guess, then, is it that I don't want 0:21:50.160 --> 0:21:52.960 to experience what I'm doing? Is it don't that I 0:21:52.960 --> 0:21:56.240 don't want to experience the way that in which I'm 0:21:56.280 --> 0:21:58.440 doing it is the is the essence of the thing 0:21:58.480 --> 0:22:03.280 that I love to do? Still am I still passionate 0:22:03.320 --> 0:22:06.400 about that? But maybe I'm not passionate about the way 0:22:06.400 --> 0:22:11.800 in which it's I'm I'm experiencing it. And and maybe 0:22:11.920 --> 0:22:16.000 the passion is in the creating and the passion is 0:22:16.640 --> 0:22:20.440 and and you're shifting towards something of that the how 0:22:20.520 --> 0:22:25.760 you're expressing it is changing. It's it's adapting to your 0:22:25.800 --> 0:22:28.800 growth and you're learning and your expansion because you're you're 0:22:28.800 --> 0:22:34.440 expanding by the moment. Yeah, I mean that's so yeah, 0:22:34.480 --> 0:22:37.000 that's really I was like, that's a that's a deep 0:22:37.119 --> 0:22:42.760 question right now. It's interesting because so for so many 0:22:42.800 --> 0:22:46.879 of us that um that I want to achieve, you know, 0:22:47.040 --> 0:22:49.879 and we want the end goal to be like we 0:22:49.960 --> 0:22:52.440 always have to reset goals and we want to cheap 0:22:52.480 --> 0:22:54.960 the thing, and it's not about the experience. I mean, 0:22:54.960 --> 0:22:57.919 I feel like for me, within that lies a lot 0:22:57.920 --> 0:23:02.440 of perfectionism. To how do you how do you see 0:23:02.880 --> 0:23:05.560 how do you see perfectionism get in the way of performance? 0:23:05.640 --> 0:23:09.480 And how is there is there a way to utilize 0:23:09.480 --> 0:23:13.480 perfectionism as something that doesn't get in the way. Oh 0:23:13.520 --> 0:23:16.639 my gosh, you're you're just asking me a great question. 0:23:17.920 --> 0:23:20.879 I having been a figure skater and working with so 0:23:20.920 --> 0:23:24.600 many skaters and performance arts, sports is kind of the 0:23:24.640 --> 0:23:26.880 thing that I focused on as well as performing arts. 0:23:27.280 --> 0:23:30.600 There's when you combine creativity and a love of beauty 0:23:30.760 --> 0:23:33.800 and a love of excellence and a drive to achieve. 0:23:34.000 --> 0:23:37.399 And sometimes when you're an environment where there feels like 0:23:37.440 --> 0:23:40.800 there's a lot of external a lot of people around 0:23:40.800 --> 0:23:44.679 you that are attached to you doing well, right, I 0:23:44.720 --> 0:23:49.000 think that that can be a real breeding ground for perfectionism. Right. 0:23:49.680 --> 0:23:53.560 And I sort of have this thing where growing up 0:23:53.680 --> 0:23:56.359 people would say, don't be such a perfectionist, and I 0:23:56.400 --> 0:23:59.680 always felt like, well, don't don't rag on the perfectionist, 0:23:59.720 --> 0:24:02.040 because actually, there there is a part of us that 0:24:02.320 --> 0:24:05.199