Speaker 1: Holy Human with Leanne Rhymes is a production of I
Speaker 1: Heart Radio. Hello everyone, welcome to the final episode of
Speaker 1: this season of Holy Human. Thank you for being patient
Speaker 1: with me. We have gone a few weeks without an
Speaker 1: episode and it is because I have been on the
Speaker 1: road and every time I come home, UM, I have
Speaker 1: been in need of some rests. So I am doing
Speaker 1: everything to take care of myself while also connecting with you,
Speaker 1: and I, like I said, I appreciate you being very patient.
Speaker 1: So we are going to dive into the final episode
Speaker 1: right now. I am welcoming a woman who has had
Speaker 1: a huge impact on my life in a relatively short
Speaker 1: amount of time. Katie Prevail is a performance coach who
Speaker 1: guides high performers to find deeper joy and fulfillment on
Speaker 1: both professional and personal levels. She's also the author of
Speaker 1: Leap Own Your Excellence and Engage Your Best Self. I
Speaker 1: found this book to be a game changer for me
Speaker 1: and I cannot wait for you to meet Katie on
Speaker 1: today's episode. I'm Holy here. Yeah, Yeah, this is amazing.
Speaker 1: I'm so excited. Hi, Katie, mak you so much for
Speaker 1: coming on here. Just to give people a backstory, I
Speaker 1: met Katie through Mindy Pells, who is on our podcast
Speaker 1: not long ago, and um, yeah, Mindy and I started
Speaker 1: working on everything body, and she was like, I have
Speaker 1: this woman who's absolutely incredible. She wrote this book called
Speaker 1: Leap Um, which I've had many people tell me you
Speaker 1: should read the book Leap, you should read the book
Speaker 1: Leap And then all of a sudden, Mindy brought it up,
Speaker 1: and I'm like, Okay, I'm going to dive into this book,
Speaker 1: see what Katie is all about. And it was just yeah,
Speaker 1: it was. It was a very expansive book for me
Speaker 1: and as a performer, especially because you talk all about performance,
Speaker 1: which we'll get into, but I'm I'm so glad Mindy
Speaker 1: introduced us, and Katie has become a huge part of
Speaker 1: my life, and so I thought we'd we dive into
Speaker 1: your book a little bit. But I also want to
Speaker 1: explore some of the things that you and I've personally
Speaker 1: been working on, because you know, as this podcast is
Speaker 1: called Holy Human, I think, um, the things that we
Speaker 1: have been working on together really fit into this wholeness
Speaker 1: piece everything that I've been looking to do with my life,
Speaker 1: not only as a performer but as a human. And
Speaker 1: I think people who listen are looking to do the same.
Speaker 1: So that's kind of the backstory of I would love
Speaker 1: to hear, and I know our listeners would love to hear,
Speaker 1: Like if you could explain to anyone? And I ask
Speaker 1: people this a lot because I feel like people I
Speaker 1: bring on here, it's not clear cut, like what do
Speaker 1: you do? So what what if someone was to meet
Speaker 1: you for the first time, how would you explain what
Speaker 1: you do to someone? That is the million dollar question.
Speaker 1: You're like, I'm still figuring that out. How long have
Speaker 1: you got faceted? It's multifaceted, as are we humans? Right,
Speaker 1: that's a little little plug in there for that. Um.
Speaker 1: One of the things I've been saying recently is that
Speaker 1: I'm I'm on a mission to bring kindness and connection
Speaker 1: to the pursuit of excellence. And yeah, so that's one
Speaker 1: of the things that is meaningful to me as well
Speaker 1: as helping I help high performers in all different forms
Speaker 1: or any humans in their realm of human performance bring
Speaker 1: more of who they really are into what they do
Speaker 1: so they can live a life that's more fulfilling and
Speaker 1: more joyous. That's interesting because I think when I think
Speaker 1: of the pursuit of excellence. Kindness and connection are not
Speaker 1: the first two things that I think of, especially not
Speaker 1: only outwardly, because I think there's there's a lot of competition,
Speaker 1: you know, and we've we've been, we've grown up around
Speaker 1: I know I have personally around competition, especially with other women. Absolutely,
Speaker 1: but it's not only that outwardly, but it's internally is
Speaker 1: what I feel. And here when you say that, I'm
Speaker 1: so glad, that's what I think too. It's it's a
Speaker 1: kindness to self, and it's a kindness to others and
Speaker 1: almost a kindness to all of the circumstances that tend
Speaker 1: to come in to high performance. As you know, I
Speaker 1: grew up as a figure skater, which is an extremely competitive,
Speaker 1: kind of unforgiving world for young women. And I think
Speaker 1: part of my mission is to kind of heal a
Speaker 1: big part of myself as well as heal other humans
Speaker 1: that are in that space of really appreciating it's excellence.
Speaker 1: And it's also like bringing all of you to whatever
Speaker 1: you do because it matters to you, um, and learning
Speaker 1: to bring yourself to that with perhaps less judgment and
Speaker 1: more kindness. Yeah, I mean, I think whether or not
Speaker 1: you're an actual performer, I think we're all performing, right, Yes,
Speaker 1: life is a performance. Didn't Shakespeare say something like that
Speaker 1: life is a stage? And it's true though, And I
Speaker 1: think there's we can utilize that, I guess with kindness
Speaker 1: and connection, or it can go completely the opposite way,
Speaker 1: where we we feel like we're always having to be on.
Speaker 1: I know this is something you and I talked about
Speaker 1: a lot, Like I always feel like I have to
Speaker 1: be on, and it doesn't really shut off, even in
Speaker 1: my personal relationships or when I'm when I'm not playing
Speaker 1: Leanne rhymes, but I'm just being Leanne. It's like, Okay,
Speaker 1: I didn't know. I don't know where that off switches.
Speaker 1: And I think people can get locked into we can
Speaker 1: get so locked into our performances of who we think
Speaker 1: we need to be that exactly, it just kind of
Speaker 1: spills over into all different parts of our lives. It
Speaker 1: sure does. And I think sometimes recognizing that maybe if
Speaker 1: we can find an off switch switch that can work
Speaker 1: where you can turn it off and just be you
Speaker 1: or be more of all of who you are, and
Speaker 1: sometimes that part of ourselves doesn't want to be switched off.
Speaker 1: It's going to fight for its life. It's gonna say
Speaker 1: oh no, I got stuff to say, I got things
Speaker 1: to do. What I'm bored, It's going to say all
Speaker 1: the things it says, right, And so then the works
Speaker 1: a little different to recognize. Okay, maybe I can listen
Speaker 1: to that voice and make other choices, but sometimes the
Speaker 1: pushing it away will actually make it come back with
Speaker 1: more force in terms of it wanting to drive your
Speaker 1: decisions right, for sure, I definitely want to get into that.
Speaker 1: I would. It would the with performance psychology. How would
Speaker 1: you how would you describe performance psychology to someone who like,
Speaker 1: what is it different than normal psychology? Yeah, performance psychology
Speaker 1: is more I would say it's in general, it's the psychology,
Speaker 1: it's around mindset, and it's around UM. It's for people
Speaker 1: who are in high stakes circumstances. So it's traditionally for
Speaker 1: high performing athletes, for performing artists, for even for people
Speaker 1: in the high risk professions UM where there is a
Speaker 1: lot of emotional output where their lives at risk. And
Speaker 1: even though it might seem like a broad spectrum, anytime
Speaker 1: you're in a your your performer, you're having to do
Speaker 1: what you do in a situation where it feels to
Speaker 1: you like the stakes are high and there's a sense
Speaker 1: of vulnerability, in a sense of um, yeah, vulnerability. Then
Speaker 1: that's where I feel like performance psychology comes in. I
Speaker 1: feel like that's just life. Especially these days, everything seems
Speaker 1: like it high stakes. But I guess it's mindset, right.
Speaker 1: I mean, it's we have been so trained to think
Speaker 1: that everything is high stakes and that you know, there's
Speaker 1: such a uh mindset of lack that we have all
Speaker 1: it's kind of all been driven into most of us,
Speaker 1: um for a very long time, and it's it can
Speaker 1: be really challenging to step out of that situation or
Speaker 1: those mindsets. And yes, I think that well, first off,
Speaker 1: think that there's a new way of being in this
Speaker 1: world and that's where your kindness and connection come in.
Speaker 1: Is it's it really is completely doing a one A
Speaker 1: D from I think the way we've all been set up.
Speaker 1: I think so, And that's I feel like it's time
Speaker 1: for a paradigm shift, especially as we really go forward
Speaker 1: now given everything that's happened in recent years, that how
Speaker 1: can we connect more to each other? How can we
Speaker 1: lead with kindness instead of with judgment or with fear.
Speaker 1: But I think that's um, it's really the place that
Speaker 1: I want to be assuring in this new paradigm through
Speaker 1: the through the lens of the people that I work with.
Speaker 1: So you're asking that question of how, how what are
Speaker 1: some of the ways that you're finding for yourself and
Speaker 1: through the work that you're doing with others, of ways
Speaker 1: that we can start connecting more with ourselves and with others.
Speaker 1: And this this kindness piece. How can we bring this
Speaker 1: kindness piece word? Yeah? I think you really you really
Speaker 1: nailed it when you when you said that your first
Speaker 1: hit was Okay, it's kindness to myself because I mean, really,
Speaker 1: the world is a is a projection. What we perceive
Speaker 1: the world to be is a projection of our own
Speaker 1: inner world. So the more we judge ourselves, the more
Speaker 1: we're going to perceive that we're being judged or the
Speaker 1: world is going to feel like less of a safe place.
Speaker 1: So I think it really does start at home. Um.
Speaker 1: I always I often say to people, Yeah, it really
Speaker 1: is all about you start here. Yeah, you said the
Speaker 1: word home, which you and I've been working with um
Speaker 1: this piece and I've mentioned in on the podcast with
Speaker 1: with another guest recently, which is this idea of home frequency,
Speaker 1: and you and I work a lot with bringing soul
Speaker 1: into the equation you know, what is? What does that
Speaker 1: look like? What is I'd love for you to describe
Speaker 1: what you feel. Home frequency is two people. Oh yeah,
Speaker 1: it's um. The concept and the experience of it is
Speaker 1: it's so close to my heart and um and I've
Speaker 1: I've witnessed it sort of allow you to expand too
Speaker 1: in the way where so home frequency, to me, first
Speaker 1: of all, is maybe another word or another way of
Speaker 1: talking about your the frequency of your soul, of your essence,
Speaker 1: of your true self. I mean this probably are all
Speaker 1: synonyms for the same experience. And then when you look
Speaker 1: at it from the level of or through the lens
Speaker 1: of frequency meaning ofvibration, meaning meaning vibration, then it's like
Speaker 1: your home frequency is when you when you can begin
Speaker 1: to identify that, when you can begin to feel what
Speaker 1: it feels like where you're really aligning with your true
Speaker 1: self or like you and I say, coming home to
Speaker 1: yourself where there can be a place of kindness because
Speaker 1: your home frequency, your soul's essence is rarely unkind to you.
Speaker 1: UM and yeah, so when you can come there, you
Speaker 1: can start to go, oh, this feels, this feels kinder,
Speaker 1: and and sometimes we dip into the home frequency, and
Speaker 1: then we kind of pop back out and we go
Speaker 1: into the false selves and the ego constructs and all
Speaker 1: of that which is just human. Right, It's like, oh okay,
Speaker 1: And then the first work is really to recognize, oh
Speaker 1: I popped out? How can I? How can I drop
Speaker 1: back in? Because I almost feel like it's a popping
Speaker 1: out into the into the constructs. And then the going
Speaker 1: into home frequency is more of a surrender and recognizing
Speaker 1: what is you by kind of releasing what's not you.
Speaker 1: How does how do we begin to find that home frequency? Yeah,
Speaker 1: it's so something that I believe is really important is
Speaker 1: first of all, I think we need to recognize that
Speaker 1: frequency is the thing, right. I mean it's a little
Speaker 1: woo woo, right, But at the same time, frequency is frequency.
Speaker 1: Everything is frequency. Everything is energy. Yeah, Einstein taught us that,
Speaker 1: you know. And it's funny even though I know that,
Speaker 1: like sometimes it's sometimes the the piece of me that
Speaker 1: pops out of home frequency. It wants to judge the
Speaker 1: fact that I'm like, oh, this is energy. I can't
Speaker 1: see it, but if you think about it, like you're
Speaker 1: constantly feeling it. If we go into that place of feeling.
Speaker 1: You know, you're we're constantly feeling the energies around us,
Speaker 1: you know, just as simple as if there's someone in
Speaker 1: the room that changes the vibe of the room or
Speaker 1: how you feel like. I think, first off, we have
Speaker 1: to get into paying attention to that, to those feelings.
Speaker 1: But I know it's it's really you say, it's woo woo.
Speaker 1: And it does seem sometimes like what am I doing? Whatever?
Speaker 1: What am I doing? What am I doing though this
Speaker 1: thing that I can't see, But it's it is if
Speaker 1: it's it really, if you really boil it down like it, um,
Speaker 1: everything is energy, and I think discovering I know for me,
Speaker 1: you know, through meditation through to feeling into my heart, UM,
Speaker 1: I feel I don't know how you feel energy, but
Speaker 1: I feel energy like in waves, like when I really
Speaker 1: tune into myself, um and drop into my heart and
Speaker 1: like and somewhat quiet the mind. The mind is never
Speaker 1: fully quiet at o't. Yeah. I can start to feel
Speaker 1: this kind of flow of what feels a little more
Speaker 1: open um and more like the true self. M It
Speaker 1: feels more flow, it feels more open. A lot of
Speaker 1: people will describe it as that I think you asked
Speaker 1: sort of my experience of it two, which is I
Speaker 1: feel very peaceful, and I can feel when my mind
Speaker 1: is a little bit quieter. When I'm in home frequency
Speaker 1: and I have more I feel much more expansive, and
Speaker 1: I feel more connected to to kind of mysticism into
Speaker 1: you know, even more connected to what isn't visible, like
Speaker 1: the non physical realm, the realm of what's not visible.
Speaker 1: So you know, we just I just mentioned meditation and
Speaker 1: kind of connecting to the heart. Are there any are
Speaker 1: there any ways for people to that you would recommend
Speaker 1: to start dropping into their own home frequency. M hmm. Yeah, definitely.
Speaker 1: Meditation is or what I even call sometimes as simply
Speaker 1: as a daily practice. Is something to consider it in
Speaker 1: the daily practice, meaning it's something you can do every
Speaker 1: day where you say, okay, even for five minutes, I'm
Speaker 1: going to stop and I'm going to even just notice
Speaker 1: what our thoughts as it put with because thoughts or energy.
Speaker 1: And then okay, what is not thought? So these are thoughts, pictures, words, whatever.
Speaker 1: And then what is not thought is sensations in my body.
Speaker 1: What is not thought is the temperature of the era
Speaker 1: around me. So you start to even begin to recognize
Speaker 1: the aspects of your experience UM and then moving out
Speaker 1: of your left brain and out of your head is
Speaker 1: a way to begin to dip into that home frequency.
Speaker 1: So that's just a start, right, Yeah, for sure. I've
Speaker 1: been reading Michael Singer's book recently, and you know, we
Speaker 1: talk a lot about witness. He talks a lot about
Speaker 1: witness consciousness. And one of the things that's really been
Speaker 1: interesting for me is, and I feel like this is
Speaker 1: similar of what we're talking about now, is to recognize
Speaker 1: that we are consciousness. We are the one who's who's
Speaker 1: who's noticing what's coming up. We're the one noticing the thoughts.
Speaker 1: We are the one noticing the pain. Like I was
Speaker 1: in my back hurt the other day, I was like
Speaker 1: just reminding myself, I am the I am. I am
Speaker 1: the one noticing. UM allows you kind of step out
Speaker 1: of that constant rumination or pain that you're in or
Speaker 1: whatever it may be, and even if it's for a moment,
Speaker 1: because I went right back into the pain, but I
Speaker 1: was like, oh, I'm the one noticing. And I kept
Speaker 1: kind of playing with that. UM to me that the
Speaker 1: one noticing UM, the witness is the home frequency. And
Speaker 1: I don't know, I don't know if we can hang
Speaker 1: out there all the time, you know, I mean, or
Speaker 1: even if we're supposed to write that's the thing. I know.
Speaker 1: You said it to me a lot. You're like, are
Speaker 1: you really supposed to hang out there? Um? But I
Speaker 1: guess it's you know, as we talk about, you know,
Speaker 1: bringing soul to performance and bringing soul into our lives,
Speaker 1: how you know, how do we bring how do we
Speaker 1: bring more of that home frequency into our daily our
Speaker 1: daily life. Yes, exactly. The question I almost feel like
Speaker 1: that is that is probably a life purpose, right What
Speaker 1: is your soul to experience? What is it here to learn?
Speaker 1: And there's so many different ideas about why we're here.
Speaker 1: Some some spiritual teachers will just say, Okay, we're just
Speaker 1: here to be entertained, you know, to as much as oh,
Speaker 1: there's a deep purpose to have have a huge impact
Speaker 1: and whatever you believe it is, it is and you know, um,
Speaker 1: but I think yeah, to to to talk about like
Speaker 1: how you bring soul into performance is is really I
Speaker 1: think it starts with being able to recognize your home
Speaker 1: frequency and to gain some facility in being able to
Speaker 1: kind of okay, let me drop into that space of
Speaker 1: my heart dropping into my heart, let me let me
Speaker 1: feel my body. Even just feeling in your body gets
Speaker 1: you out of that the logical thinking, and then whatever
Speaker 1: practice you have or you create for yourself to be
Speaker 1: able to be the witness to recognize okay, I'm having thoughts,
Speaker 1: for example, who who is it having the thoughts? Who
Speaker 1: is it recognizing the thoughts? Okay? Can I remember that
Speaker 1: I am recognizing the thoughts? And that is the place
Speaker 1: to be. So when you develop that practice, then when
Speaker 1: you're performing, there are tools and techniques, and sometimes I'll
Speaker 1: use hypnosis, use different anchors or ways of moving energy
Speaker 1: in the moment that that will be more conducive to
Speaker 1: to you being able to drop into that home frequency
Speaker 1: and express more of your soul into what you're doing.
Speaker 1: It's interesting that it's just talking. I was just thinking
Speaker 1: about what that feels like for me and I when
Speaker 1: I really drop into my home frequency, sometimes I feel
Speaker 1: like it wants nothing, and that this is kind of
Speaker 1: the conundrum as a performer, as someone who achieves, I
Speaker 1: kind of feel like I get I'm I have not yet.
Speaker 1: I have not yet figured out how to fully or
Speaker 1: how to yeah, how to fully bring that piece of
Speaker 1: myself into the doing because it feels very separate sometimes,
Speaker 1: Like when I drop into that place of soul, it's
Speaker 1: like there, it wants nothing mm hmm. It doesn't want
Speaker 1: to achieve, It's like it does it just wants to be,
Speaker 1: And it's like, well, how do how do I bring
Speaker 1: the being into the doing? Exactly? That exactly, And I
Speaker 1: think that's that's part of the journey of what we're learning.
Speaker 1: I mean, truly, it really is. I almost think of like, okay,
Speaker 1: there there is um, Like soul is sort of a circle,
Speaker 1: if you will, and then it has these little offshoots
Speaker 1: or maybe this is a this is a better analogy,
Speaker 1: like we're a jewel, but if we as a being
Speaker 1: or a jewel with many facets, but our essence is
Speaker 1: the jewel itself. Right, So it's like it's almost gonna
Speaker 1: be both. So like even in that I'm identifying it
Speaker 1: as we're talking here and kind of feeling into it,
Speaker 1: you know, So if you remain in this remembering that, Okay,
Speaker 1: I am the jewel, I'm a jewel that has facets.
Speaker 1: I'm observing these facets. One of these facets is Land Rhymes,
Speaker 1: who is performing now, right, But even those aspects of you.
Speaker 1: They're not not you. There are aspects of you. So
Speaker 1: is there a way that you can almost consciously from
Speaker 1: that awareness points say Okay, I'm going to give Leanne
Speaker 1: Rhymes a voice now, or I'm going to give Katie
Speaker 1: Pivrel a voice now, or I'm so it's as long
Speaker 1: as it's coming from choice number one. Then then that
Speaker 1: part or the persona isn't driving things right, and that's
Speaker 1: when you begin to have a different experience. And the
Speaker 1: other thing I was thinking is, yes, the soul doesn't
Speaker 1: want to achieve. Soul wants to be, So how can
Speaker 1: you be in the moment explore like the performing in
Speaker 1: the moment without it being um a motivation for achievement,
Speaker 1: but more for experience, because the soul is kind of
Speaker 1: here to experience. That's a great. Yeah, well my imagine
Speaker 1: My mind just went to But I don't want to
Speaker 1: do that because I guess the question for myself that
Speaker 1: I ask and for everybody I think, in their own profession,
Speaker 1: without the achievement, would you still choose to experience what
Speaker 1: you're doing exactly? And right, Yeah, we're going and we're
Speaker 1: going to dive even more deeply into that question when
Speaker 1: we return from a quick break, Welcome back, my loves.
Speaker 1: Katie and I were just exploring the role of achievement
Speaker 1: versus experience as motivation for performance. I've been asking myself
Speaker 1: that question, and the truth is like, I really don't know.
Speaker 1: And I guess, then, is it that I don't want
Speaker 1: to experience what I'm doing? Is it don't that I
Speaker 1: don't want to experience the way that in which I'm
Speaker 1: doing it is the is the essence of the thing
Speaker 1: that I love to do? Still am I still passionate
Speaker 1: about that? But maybe I'm not passionate about the way
Speaker 1: in which it's I'm I'm experiencing it. And and maybe
Speaker 1: the passion is in the creating and the passion is
Speaker 1: and and you're shifting towards something of that the how
Speaker 1: you're expressing it is changing. It's it's adapting to your
Speaker 1: growth and you're learning and your expansion because you're you're
Speaker 1: expanding by the moment. Yeah, I mean that's so yeah,
Speaker 1: that's really I was like, that's a that's a deep
Speaker 1: question right now. It's interesting because so for so many
Speaker 1: of us that um that I want to achieve, you know,
Speaker 1: and we want the end goal to be like we
Speaker 1: always have to reset goals and we want to cheap
Speaker 1: the thing, and it's not about the experience. I mean,
Speaker 1: I feel like for me, within that lies a lot
Speaker 1: of perfectionism. To how do you how do you see
Speaker 1: how do you see perfectionism get in the way of performance?
Speaker 1: And how is there is there a way to utilize
Speaker 1: perfectionism as something that doesn't get in the way. Oh
Speaker 1: my gosh, you're you're just asking me a great question.
Speaker 1: I having been a figure skater and working with so
Speaker 1: many skaters and performance arts, sports is kind of the
Speaker 1: thing that I focused on as well as performing arts.
Speaker 1: There's when you combine creativity and a love of beauty
Speaker 1: and a love of excellence and a drive to achieve.
Speaker 1: And sometimes when you're an environment where there feels like
Speaker 1: there's a lot of external a lot of people around
Speaker 1: you that are attached to you doing well, right, I
Speaker 1: think that that can be a real breeding ground for perfectionism. Right.
Speaker 1: And I sort of have this thing where growing up
Speaker 1: people would say, don't be such a perfectionist, and I
Speaker 1: always felt like, well, don't don't rag on the perfectionist,
Speaker 1: because actually, there there is a part of us that
Speaker 1: loves it might be achievement. I don't tell me what
Speaker 1: it feels like for you, but sometimes it just feels
Speaker 1: like the love of beauty and experiencing something really done well,
Speaker 1: or where you've given your all and you feel you
Speaker 1: go to this place of peace. Okay, yeah, I gave
Speaker 1: my all. This moment that I was creating felt complete
Speaker 1: or it had it brought it lit. Something up in
Speaker 1: me was like, Yes, this is what I envisioned months ago,
Speaker 1: or what I envisioned earlier that I really wanted to
Speaker 1: create and birth into the world. That's why I liked
Speaker 1: the idea of my mission statement of saying pursuit of
Speaker 1: excellence because excellence isn't inherently bad desiring excellence, I think
Speaker 1: we can see it as really something that meets a
Speaker 1: deep soul need of doing things at a level that
Speaker 1: brings us joy. Because if that's why we're doing it,
Speaker 1: because it brings us joy, it's less about the achievement
Speaker 1: or the box checking that it is really about that
Speaker 1: feeling of it getting to a point of completion and accomplishment,
Speaker 1: if you will. But beauty, I mean, there's beauty in
Speaker 1: a thing done really in a really lovely way that
Speaker 1: feels whole and complete and fully expressed. Right. Yeah. Absolutely.
Speaker 1: I mean I know for myself, if there's like if
Speaker 1: there's a great performance or a great recording, it's like
Speaker 1: I feel like I've done the best that I can
Speaker 1: do in that moment, Like I've brought through into this
Speaker 1: world the highest possible outcome. Now, Yeah, and that feels good.
Speaker 1: Like that feels I think sometimes we we can get
Speaker 1: caught up though, in the expectation of that every time,
Speaker 1: not realizing that there's a whole spectrum of expression and
Speaker 1: just focused on I think for me, that's the perfectionism
Speaker 1: comes in. When I get focused on it has to
Speaker 1: look like and sound like and be like that thing.
Speaker 1: If you get caught up in the last experience, with
Speaker 1: all the experiences before instead of the present moment. Yeah, yeah,
Speaker 1: as you were saying that, I just thought, what if
Speaker 1: we were here to create elastic experiences, because you said
Speaker 1: the last experience, you know that we allow for that
Speaker 1: elasticity in the moment and even being present with how
Speaker 1: things want to show up or be revealed or reveal
Speaker 1: themselves to us in the moment. If if that also
Speaker 1: can be a source of joy and wonder and um more.
Speaker 1: Source of expansiveness into more of who we are. Yeah,
Speaker 1: do you feel like do you feel like the soul
Speaker 1: can only do that? Mm hmmm, only the soul can
Speaker 1: do that. Yeah, I'm just wondering because I feel like
Speaker 1: my my my ego, like the piece of me that's like,
Speaker 1: I want this experience to be exactly the same every time.
Speaker 1: I wanted to be amazing every time. I don't know, Um, well,
Speaker 1: from this point of view, from right now, I don't
Speaker 1: know if that piece of me can do that. Mm hmmmm.
Speaker 1: And there's where we should get into pieces. They were
Speaker 1: get into pieces and parts and aspects and facets right, No, totally, Well,
Speaker 1: so this so interestingly enough, um Katie and I I
Speaker 1: asked her to come on the podcast because we just
Speaker 1: did some work the other day and this might take
Speaker 1: on a completely different vibe than most podcasts, but um,
Speaker 1: I was like, use me as a guinea pig. Um
Speaker 1: I about I guess the middle of last year, and
Speaker 1: I've I've talked about parts on my podcast before. I've
Speaker 1: talked about Tubby, who's my judge in my head? Um,
Speaker 1: but the parts of kind of I've given them names.
Speaker 1: They've kind of lived outside of me last year I
Speaker 1: started discovering, UM, my first name is Margaret for people
Speaker 1: who don't know um I and I've never been called
Speaker 1: Margaret and I've never related to Margaret at all. I
Speaker 1: was like, that's not even I don't even relate to
Speaker 1: It's not even a part of me. And I started
Speaker 1: to really stand up for myself in situations there was
Speaker 1: there was a lot of anger that came through with it. UM.
Speaker 1: I was very stern about it. Yeah, she felt she
Speaker 1: felt very protective, and it was a new part of
Speaker 1: me that I had yet to really that had yet
Speaker 1: to come online. And had she really had a voice before?
Speaker 1: Had she don't really know, not at all. I don't
Speaker 1: think so, right, Yeah, so I gave her. I was like, oh,
Speaker 1: that's Margaret, that's Margaret. And I loved my band and career.
Speaker 1: Like they know when Margaret's around and they love her,
Speaker 1: they're like, oh, she's awesome until it turns aroug and
Speaker 1: back at them, but they're like whoa, Um, But then I, yeah,
Speaker 1: badass Margaret is it? And then I discovered recently as
Speaker 1: I went out on tour UM because I've been doing
Speaker 1: shows here and there, but I haven't done long stretches
Speaker 1: of time like we've been doing. UM. Yeah, I discovered
Speaker 1: that it was really challenging for me to step back
Speaker 1: into Leanne rhymes or and and remain in that that
Speaker 1: identity for long periods of time, because during COVID, I
Speaker 1: feel like I stepped into Leanne and to not be
Speaker 1: able to oscillate back and forth between lean rhymes and
Speaker 1: leanne it started to feel really uncomfortable and painful. UM.
Speaker 1: And so we did some work the other day on
Speaker 1: these different parts of self, and then's the first time
Speaker 1: my parts have been really personal. So I started to
Speaker 1: see the Leanne rhymes that I created very very clearly,
Speaker 1: and I started to see Margaret, and I feel like
Speaker 1: Margaret is almost a protective part of Leanne UM and
Speaker 1: Leanne rhymes actually UM and Leanne still feels very young,
Speaker 1: and she feels very scared sometimes, and all of these
Speaker 1: different hearts, and you know, it was just interesting. We
Speaker 1: you and I started talking about, well, sometimes it's sometimes
Speaker 1: it's great to get these parts to converse and um
Speaker 1: to find some kind of middle ground, because sometimes these
Speaker 1: parts of me seem very conflicted, right, And so I
Speaker 1: thought it would be interesting to talk about these parts
Speaker 1: of us because it really very much. Correct me if
Speaker 1: I'm wrong, But it's it's really about, like I said,
Speaker 1: finding middle ground within these parts and allowing them, loving
Speaker 1: them for who they are, and allowing them space to
Speaker 1: express and to connect and to return home. Yes, return
Speaker 1: home and join back in that home frequency, right, Yeah,
Speaker 1: and feel safe enough to then step back out and
Speaker 1: express again, knowing that they can always return back to
Speaker 1: that home frequency. Yeah. I feel like Margaret has a
Speaker 1: lot of home frequency and her she just she just
Speaker 1: like she just does to be kind of stern about it.
Speaker 1: I think one of the you know, one of the
Speaker 1: big things that I'm wanting to learn and learning is
Speaker 1: to be able to express without without anger, like to
Speaker 1: really be able to set boundaries and stand up for
Speaker 1: myself without it being so charged. Do you feel like
Speaker 1: there's a mission in there for you about what discovering
Speaker 1: like how to communicate without Yeah? Yeah, through love? Yeah? Absolutely? Um.
Speaker 1: And it's complicated. It's complicated when you know I feel like, um,
Speaker 1: you know, Leanne's afraid and Margaret's angry. Lean rhymes is like,
Speaker 1: you know, um still needing to keep up a facade.
Speaker 1: And I think I think it's just really interesting. We
Speaker 1: like I said, we all perform, right, So we do
Speaker 1: we all? Yeah, we all think of them like think
Speaker 1: of your name, like think of who you the construct
Speaker 1: you've built up around your name, who you think you
Speaker 1: have to be. And then there's this I feel like,
Speaker 1: there's this piece of us that's still very young and tender.
Speaker 1: And for me, what I recognized in talking through these
Speaker 1: parts where that Leanne Rhymes and Leanne both really want
Speaker 1: love ultimately. And what do mart Ah, Yeah, that's a
Speaker 1: good question, probably the same thing. Yeah, I think she
Speaker 1: wants to be heard. Yeah, she really wants to have
Speaker 1: her voice be expressed, right, Yeah, for sure. And I
Speaker 1: so the process that you took me through to find
Speaker 1: these parts, I would love for you to kind of explain,
Speaker 1: if you can, um how people may be able to
Speaker 1: walk through this process themselves and discover these parts for themselves. Yeah. Well,
Speaker 1: I think it's important to to recognize that your experience
Speaker 1: of Leanne Rhymes, she she was created starting from a
Speaker 1: very young age, and and that persona, if you will,
Speaker 1: has been of a bit of a comfort zone, a
Speaker 1: comfort space for you. Right. And I think that all
Speaker 1: of us we have we identify, whether whether it's just
Speaker 1: the ego construct the personality, the name who we are,
Speaker 1: that's not the soul per se um that you can
Speaker 1: sort of begin to think about. Well, even just ask
Speaker 1: yourself the question who am I? And there's actually a
Speaker 1: really cool exercise that Deepak Chopra supports, which is you
Speaker 1: just keep answering the question who am I? Who am I?
Speaker 1: Who am I? And you know, you start you start
Speaker 1: by saying, I'm a I'm a daughter, I'm a wife,
Speaker 1: I'm a performer, I'm a woman, I'm a you know,
Speaker 1: whatever it is you and you just keep going and
Speaker 1: then who am I? Oh, I'm I'm a gentle person
Speaker 1: or um, I'm a person that has an anger anger
Speaker 1: piece that comes out sometimes. And you keep asking yourself
Speaker 1: who am I? Who am I? Who am I? And
Speaker 1: then you kind of get to a point where, oh,
Speaker 1: I am kind of one with everything. It's it's an
Speaker 1: interesting way. But as you as you answer those questions initially,
Speaker 1: as you're kind of bumping down into the layers of
Speaker 1: who and what you identify as um, you can start
Speaker 1: to maybe identify some oh, there may be a part
Speaker 1: of me here. It may be a part of me
Speaker 1: that strongly strongly work identified. Okay, I am I am
Speaker 1: an entrepreneur or I am and whatever it is the
Speaker 1: title you put on it. So that might be a
Speaker 1: part of you that's coming through, UM that could be
Speaker 1: helpful to recognize. Um. Another thing I was thinking about was, UM,
Speaker 1: I think we had done this exercise as well. Like
Speaker 1: whenever you're you're faced with a decision, or you're in
Speaker 1: a bit of an inflection point, not necessarily in your
Speaker 1: entire life, it could be, but something where you're feeling
Speaker 1: some conflict inside or uncertainty about how to move forward. UM.
Speaker 1: There's a great exercise where you can take even draw
Speaker 1: on a piece of paper, you draw a big oval
Speaker 1: table and then when you say, okay, so if the
Speaker 1: question is should I should I move to this new
Speaker 1: house that I want, let's just take a really random question. Okay,
Speaker 1: who what parts of you are showing up with an
Speaker 1: opinion about that choice? Okay, there's the part of me
Speaker 1: that's concerned about finances. This is an aspect of me
Speaker 1: that is worried about that, And there's another part of
Speaker 1: me that it's like, I believe in possibility. I want
Speaker 1: this experience for my life, and I know that everything
Speaker 1: is good to go and this will happen, and I
Speaker 1: believe and I trust, so you know, then you can say, well,
Speaker 1: who else is showing up around this? And and then
Speaker 1: as you begin to see, okay, there are little subsets
Speaker 1: of aspects of yourself that are kind of coming around
Speaker 1: this kitchen table conversation to express what they have to say,
Speaker 1: um other parts of you, there can be subconflicts that
Speaker 1: you can then identify. And so so that kitchen table
Speaker 1: thing is kind of helpful. And then about that exercise
Speaker 1: is then after you've identified who's showing up with an opinion,
Speaker 1: you want to put yourself into that sort of witness space,
Speaker 1: that observer mode, uh, and just say okay, and you listen,
Speaker 1: you write down, or you take note of what each
Speaker 1: aspect of around the kitchen table wants to communicate. And
Speaker 1: then just like we do for those of us that
Speaker 1: our parents, is if the parts of ourselves were our
Speaker 1: children were, where we listen to what they feel and
Speaker 1: what they desire, and then they trust us to make
Speaker 1: the choice that is best for them, that we hold
Speaker 1: the highest frequency for their highest good. And so training
Speaker 1: that part of you uh to to observe, to hear,
Speaker 1: to listen, and then look through the lens of your
Speaker 1: home frequency, your soul frequency, through the lens of kindness,
Speaker 1: through the through the lens of how am I connecting
Speaker 1: to myself and I believing in myself? You know? And
Speaker 1: then when you look through that lens, you begin to
Speaker 1: have less internal conflict because the voices of those other
Speaker 1: parts have been heard. Like and if there are parts
Speaker 1: of you that want to have an opinion and we
Speaker 1: don't listen to it, then they, like I said, they
Speaker 1: really do fight for their life, and they will, they
Speaker 1: will act out, yes, they will until they heard yeah,
Speaker 1: and they start to drive all of your decisions. You know.
Speaker 1: I think I think that can be scary for a
Speaker 1: lot of people too, is you know, when you start
Speaker 1: to when you start to listen to all these parts
Speaker 1: of yourself, it can seem like for me, I know,
Speaker 1: it seemed like there's been there's such a huge internal conflict. Um.
Speaker 1: But I think what I'm hearing you say is the
Speaker 1: conflict only keeps going when we're not listening exactly. Actually, yes,
Speaker 1: it actually intensifies when you're not listening. All right, On
Speaker 1: that note, we're going to step away for a quick breather,
Speaker 1: but we'll be right back. Welcome back everyone. Katie and
Speaker 1: I were just discussing how important listening to your intuition
Speaker 1: is when it comes to achieving your full potential. This
Speaker 1: is something I think about a lot um. Let me
Speaker 1: know if if I didn't quite answer your questions or something.
Speaker 1: I think one of the aspects of hyper per formance,
Speaker 1: if you will, that I think is important to recognize
Speaker 1: that there is kind of a dark underbelly, and as
Speaker 1: there is to any human condition, but there's what we
Speaker 1: would we perceive as a dark underbelly or a dark
Speaker 1: side or a paradox where there's the thrill of achievement,
Speaker 1: there's a joy of the moment, there's that kind of
Speaker 1: touching the divine moment of full soul and self expression.
Speaker 1: But then there's the other part of whether it's perfectionist,
Speaker 1: and there's the other part of it that's painful, the
Speaker 1: self doubt. There is the the internal conflict, the times
Speaker 1: when we step out there to to do our thing,
Speaker 1: to bring to the world that we love the most,
Speaker 1: and we might get paralyzed in fear or it doesn't
Speaker 1: come out the way we want it to come out.
Speaker 1: So I feel like doing this part's work can be
Speaker 1: so helpful and healing because rather than sort of keep
Speaker 1: these aspects under the hood, we bring it all forth
Speaker 1: and we say, yeah, this is part of being a
Speaker 1: high performer. This is part of being someone who who
Speaker 1: has something very rich and deep and important to bring
Speaker 1: to the world, as every human does. But to recognize
Speaker 1: that if that's where you are in your life and
Speaker 1: how you roll, and there's a big mission behind that
Speaker 1: for you, that there are going to be times when
Speaker 1: it feels painful. There's this the paradox of it. To
Speaker 1: embrace all of it um and and recognizing the parts
Speaker 1: of ether show up around performance will help you kind
Speaker 1: of not be in that binary I'm bad or I'm good,
Speaker 1: or it's dark or it's light, but just sort of
Speaker 1: see all of it is that brings you into the
Speaker 1: wholeness of who you are as a human. Yeah. Absolutely.
Speaker 1: I mean I know for myself, if I think about that,
Speaker 1: like I I used to cut off myself really if
Speaker 1: I you know, it's what it really boiled down to,
Speaker 1: Like I, I didn't get nervous about anything, and I
Speaker 1: you know, I had no fear of of performing at all.
Speaker 1: And the more the more I bring my humanness to
Speaker 1: the table, like there's I see all of the facets.
Speaker 1: The more i'm I have more awareness around Yeah, that
Speaker 1: all of those all of that fear was probably there.
Speaker 1: I just was really good at shutting it off, right,
Speaker 1: And I love you know, hearing you talk about it
Speaker 1: right then it's like, oh, yeah, this is this is
Speaker 1: all a piece of performance, and it's I just used
Speaker 1: to think that I was exempt. I was like, I mean,
Speaker 1: you know, there's Lean Rhymes like thinking I have this
Speaker 1: specialness that I'm completely exempt from any of that. And
Speaker 1: I was for a while, but it was at the
Speaker 1: expense of the rest of meatly. And don't you think
Speaker 1: that you get to a point in your life, and
Speaker 1: I feel like you've been experiencing this over the recent years,
Speaker 1: you get into a point in your life where the
Speaker 1: shutting it down, the shutting it down, it's just not
Speaker 1: sustainable as an as an approach to performance. It's a
Speaker 1: short term solution. Because you brought that in, that strong
Speaker 1: false self. The identity is LeAnn Rhymes. You brought that
Speaker 1: in at a very young age as a coping mechanism
Speaker 1: and it worked. It worked until it didn't write. Yeah,
Speaker 1: well then I can never get in touch with leanne
Speaker 1: at all. Because you know, because that coping mechanism was
Speaker 1: keeping me from her. Yeah. So there's so much of
Speaker 1: me that I couldn't bring to the table because I
Speaker 1: didn't have access because of this massive wall I built
Speaker 1: up in order to keep me from from her. And honestly,
Speaker 1: talking about it right now is the first time I've
Speaker 1: actually had appreciation for it, because I've absolutely hated the
Speaker 1: fact that I can't go back. Yeah, you know, I like,
Speaker 1: I can't. I can't go back to not having these
Speaker 1: very vulnerable pieces of me involved. And now it's like
Speaker 1: the journey is, now, how do we support those vulnerable
Speaker 1: pieces of me so that they can stay alive and
Speaker 1: well and grow and thrive and expand and express themselves. Yeah,
Speaker 1: and and come in you know, in those moments and
Speaker 1: your performance and the performance of your life. You know
Speaker 1: who's going to come in here, who's going to come
Speaker 1: in there. So it's this beautiful sort of mosaic of
Speaker 1: all these facets of you, right, the facets of the jewel.
Speaker 1: You're the jewel. It just has these facets that light
Speaker 1: is shining on a particular facet or a couple of
Speaker 1: them minute time. Yeah. Well, yeah, I mean there's I
Speaker 1: feel like there's all there's a lot of pieces that
Speaker 1: like to talk it once for sure. Yeah. And then
Speaker 1: something else I wanted to bring up for you that, Um,
Speaker 1: I know we've touched on it, but is so Leanne
Speaker 1: is not necessarily your soul's identity, right, And so you're
Speaker 1: beginning as you come into home frequency the observer, I
Speaker 1: think there's a recognition which is is that Leanne is
Speaker 1: not your soul frequency. And even I believe that as
Speaker 1: you're in that soul frequency, your home frequency, and you recognize, um,
Speaker 1: your soul desire, your spiritual self, if you will, then
Speaker 1: that really heals literal Leanne. It heals Margaret who might
Speaker 1: need a stronger voice. It helps Leanne Rhymes recognize if
Speaker 1: there's a place where she's she has value, in a
Speaker 1: place where she can um where she can be a
Speaker 1: conduit for the message that you want to bring to
Speaker 1: the world, because she's very well cultivated, she's very developed, right, yeah,
Speaker 1: very But it was that was interesting. I remember when
Speaker 1: we were working together on this piece, you were saying, well,
Speaker 1: isn't isn't the soul in all of those pieces? Yeah?
Speaker 1: And I was like, oh, I guess, so I think
Speaker 1: about that because yeah, no, it does. Now, I mean
Speaker 1: it's I guess the way I see it is, it's
Speaker 1: all emanating from the soul. It's just expressions of that.
Speaker 1: And then yeah, they're they're all different expressions of the soul.
Speaker 1: It's just I think we've I returned back to that
Speaker 1: idea of like, Okay, well, then how do I how
Speaker 1: do I remain in the soul more or bring more
Speaker 1: of that soul forward into these other pieces of myself? Right?
Speaker 1: And that's you're you're on that journey. You're doing it.
Speaker 1: So the more that you're aware of it, the more
Speaker 1: that you can go to what you talked about is
Speaker 1: that witness perspective, you know, And then I think there's
Speaker 1: there's such a deep wisdom when you really are in
Speaker 1: the essence of your soul that you can feel that
Speaker 1: you can feel that wisdom, that expansiveness, that oh everything,
Speaker 1: everything's all right, and that from there you can be supportive,
Speaker 1: you can love on the other parts of you that
Speaker 1: are still expressions of you there. You know, maybe it's
Speaker 1: the soul putting on a different costume for the day
Speaker 1: or whatever and kind of playing a character. I think
Speaker 1: the more that you train yourself to recognize the home frequency,
Speaker 1: the easier it is to begin to bring that forth.
Speaker 1: And and something else that I wanted to point out
Speaker 1: was that those of us that are creative performers, creatives
Speaker 1: and high performers, right, is that, um, you know, there
Speaker 1: there's the there's a perfectionism, there's all so the self
Speaker 1: doubt that comes in that we need to make sure
Speaker 1: that we pay attention to as well. Yeah, yeah, absolutely,
Speaker 1: I mean self doubt confidence like how do those how
Speaker 1: can those live beside one another? Because they do? I
Speaker 1: mean I'm very confident in what I do, but there's
Speaker 1: self doubt that creeps in all the time. How do
Speaker 1: those live? I mean they do. I'm like, I know
Speaker 1: they live beside each other. How can they live beside
Speaker 1: each other more comfortably? Is there a way exactly or
Speaker 1: else we can step back from the discomfort or see
Speaker 1: the discomfort differently. And it's it's not always comforting, But
Speaker 1: I do remind myself that you know, friction makes the pearl,
Speaker 1: and heat and pressure make the diamond. That you know
Speaker 1: that when things feel pressurized or when things feel challenging,
Speaker 1: that there's going to be something on the other end.
Speaker 1: There's going to be something that I'm bringing to the
Speaker 1: light something that can can move me there, that I
Speaker 1: can trust that there's going to be a gift in
Speaker 1: an opportunity and what may seem challenging in that moment
Speaker 1: that's going to allow some growth or some expansiveness. Mm
Speaker 1: hmmm um. In your book, you talk about three things
Speaker 1: that you suggest everyone incorporate in their daily mindset to
Speaker 1: make like a profound difference in their and their performance. Like,
Speaker 1: what what are some of the things that on a
Speaker 1: daily basis, are are some minds? Are some mental shifts
Speaker 1: that we can bring into help to help support performance?
Speaker 1: Oh gosh, there's a whole there's a whole book about
Speaker 1: about that. But outside of that, from what at the
Speaker 1: top of your head, like, what do you think? What
Speaker 1: do you think are some of those, you know, daily
Speaker 1: mindsets that we can start to implement that would support
Speaker 1: us in the best way when it comes to our performance. Yeah. Um.
Speaker 1: One of the ones that I feel is really important
Speaker 1: is to remember that there's that that feeling of focusing
Speaker 1: on the effort, not on the outcome, of you know,
Speaker 1: really surrendering to what is you know, we always say
Speaker 1: it's the journey, not the destination. It's true. It's true.
Speaker 1: That's true, it is right. And I almost think for
Speaker 1: for high performers, we have to hold both. We have
Speaker 1: to hold our desire for the destination as well as
Speaker 1: a desire to to have a certain experience along the
Speaker 1: way to the destination, because I think we've sometimes vilified
Speaker 1: competition as it's not good to be competitive, But some
Speaker 1: of us are wired to be competitive. I mean, you know,
Speaker 1: not every you know. I mean I come from a
Speaker 1: competitive sports background, and I've had to just say, yeah,
Speaker 1: you know, I'm competitive. That's and and if I turn that,
Speaker 1: it's like, okay, well how can I compete with myself?
Speaker 1: And if I recognize that there are times when I
Speaker 1: might want to compete with others, but we're all there
Speaker 1: really to bring our best selves forward and to have
Speaker 1: a certain experience along the way of growth. So bringing
Speaker 1: it back to that, how can you focus on focus
Speaker 1: on the process that you're going through by being present
Speaker 1: which is important that you've developed through meditation when you can,
Speaker 1: and not not throwing the baby out with the bathwater
Speaker 1: by saying well, I don't want to care what, I
Speaker 1: don't want to care about the result, but letting yourself
Speaker 1: care about the result as well as the process. Yeah,
Speaker 1: that's interesting because the desire piece. Sometimes I want to
Speaker 1: deny my desire to achieve UM or my the biggest
Speaker 1: dream that I have. Sometimes I want to deny it UM.
Speaker 1: And it's it's it's a new thing that I'm kind
Speaker 1: of playing around with, like how can I And what
Speaker 1: I hear you saying, like, how can I desire? How
Speaker 1: can I how can I set goals for myself? But
Speaker 1: at the same time, UM, let go of it. It's
Speaker 1: you know, it's like exactly and let go and enjoy
Speaker 1: what is in front of me. Um. And that's so hard.
Speaker 1: It's so especially if you've achieved high success very much
Speaker 1: so it's been it's always about trying to get back
Speaker 1: to it or find you know, or to keep it.
Speaker 1: And I think that's one of the most challenging things
Speaker 1: for me, is to allow the process to be the
Speaker 1: process that it is currently right exactly and to be
Speaker 1: in that. What comes up for me is you're saying
Speaker 1: that is yeah, and I hear that for a lot
Speaker 1: from a lot of my high performing clients. Is while
Speaker 1: I'm at the top, how do I stay at the
Speaker 1: top or how do I make sure all my performances
Speaker 1: are amazing, or how do I you know that mindset
Speaker 1: of it needing to stay in a particular way. And
Speaker 1: one of the things that I like that I like
Speaker 1: to remind people of is what if you had different
Speaker 1: kinds of goals. Um, you have a quantitative goal, perhaps
Speaker 1: a miserable goal, but then you also set an emotional
Speaker 1: goal or a feeling goal for yourself so that you're
Speaker 1: you know, what is the feeling you want to have
Speaker 1: when you get off stage? What is what is the
Speaker 1: feeling you want to have when your company goes public?
Speaker 1: You know, whatever it might be, so that that keeps
Speaker 1: us that kind of gives us a left brain and
Speaker 1: a brain kind of goal, or what is the wisdom goal?
Speaker 1: What is the learning you want to have from it?
Speaker 1: So that you allow your goals to be some to
Speaker 1: be measurable and some to be experiential, and and that
Speaker 1: can help mitigate some of that I'm here and I
Speaker 1: have to stay here, because when you're in that place,
Speaker 1: I'm here and I have to stay here. Then you
Speaker 1: get a death grip on it and it can't breathe.
Speaker 1: You squeeze a life out of it. All right, we
Speaker 1: are going to more fully explore the multifaceted concept of goals.
Speaker 1: After a quick break, Hello again, Loves, we were just
Speaker 1: talking with Katie Perell about why identifying what's driving your
Speaker 1: goals is ultimately more fulfilling than just setting them. And
Speaker 1: then it always becomes about more. I mean, I think,
Speaker 1: you know, it's like how can I get more? How
Speaker 1: can I achieve more? Instead of you know, how can
Speaker 1: I Going back to what you said, I guess it's
Speaker 1: how can I experience what more? I guess there's a
Speaker 1: more in this equation too, but like what more can
Speaker 1: I experience? UM? Which does shift things a lot? Does it?
Speaker 1: For you? It does? If I think about that, like
Speaker 1: what what else is? It's interesting. The other day I
Speaker 1: was talking about my forty birthday and I was, UM.
Speaker 1: I was talking to Eddie and we were looking at
Speaker 1: all these different places where we could go, and I
Speaker 1: was like, you know, if I was if we go
Speaker 1: to some resort, like this is a very fortunate thing
Speaker 1: that I've had in my life, and I think about
Speaker 1: how much I've traveled. We go to some resort or
Speaker 1: a beach or whatever, like I've I've experienced all of that,
Speaker 1: Like I haven't experienced as a safari, but I'm not.
Speaker 1: I don't want to go through all of that right now.
Speaker 1: I've traveled enough. Um, so there's very few things that
Speaker 1: I haven't experienced. And so it's really, you know, like
Speaker 1: when I think about but I'm there's so many things
Speaker 1: in the human experience that I have an experience, But
Speaker 1: if you think about it from that perspective, it's like,
Speaker 1: well what else? What else can I experience? And just
Speaker 1: the the travel piece for me was really interesting. It's like, Okay,
Speaker 1: well what and then it became what I really what
Speaker 1: is my soul craving to experience? And I'm ending up
Speaker 1: We're going to the trees and like there's you know,
Speaker 1: I really wanted this specific feeling and um yeah, and
Speaker 1: I think if I look at that in every other
Speaker 1: aspect of my life, I think, you know, we talked
Speaker 1: about boredom a lot. It's like, I think the soul,
Speaker 1: like we're saying, really wants to it wants to experience
Speaker 1: more in that way, not achieve more, but like experience more.
Speaker 1: And sometimes experiencing more can be really scary because we
Speaker 1: only we get stuck in this pattern of only wanting
Speaker 1: to experience what we know is familiar exactly how do you?
Speaker 1: I love that you call the book Leap because I
Speaker 1: just thought, I'm like, how do you how do you leap?
Speaker 1: How do you literally how do you leap off into
Speaker 1: into those new experiences? Um? Because I you know, I'd
Speaker 1: leap a lot, but I also find myself in certain
Speaker 1: areas like holding myself back. Yeum, So how do we
Speaker 1: how do we what's the first step in I guess
Speaker 1: I was like, what's the first step in leaping? But
Speaker 1: I don't even know if there's a step. You just
Speaker 1: take a leap. It's isn't it funny? I've thought about
Speaker 1: that so much. I've sort of had this weird fascination
Speaker 1: with what happens in the mind that gets someone to
Speaker 1: make that very first Nana's Nana's second movement of wanting
Speaker 1: to get off the couch or wanting to step out
Speaker 1: into the new thing? What what initiates that change? What
Speaker 1: initiates that? Is it too much? Pain? Can be? Totally
Speaker 1: can be? And can we get there without the pain?
Speaker 1: It's a really good question. I mean, when you think
Speaker 1: about motivation, Um, humans really we're kind of wired to
Speaker 1: go away from pain and and then once we're away
Speaker 1: from the pain. We're kind of like, okay, I could
Speaker 1: maybe go towards pleasure. But that's when when we get
Speaker 1: far enough away from the pain, that's when it's really
Speaker 1: important to say, Okay, when I recognize what was painful,
Speaker 1: But if I forget what was painful, then I'm just
Speaker 1: going to keep snapping back to continually re experience the
Speaker 1: pain so that I keep getting motivated from the pain.
Speaker 1: And this is where like the self discipline or the
Speaker 1: self awareness of the practice comes in. It's like, Okay,
Speaker 1: I was motivated by that pain. Now I'm in this
Speaker 1: kind of a bit of a liminal space where I
Speaker 1: need to go, Okay, what is it I really want?
Speaker 1: What is my soul asking for? What's gonna what is
Speaker 1: going to give me sort of this expansive path forward,
Speaker 1: whereas the away from pain is very linear. It's just
Speaker 1: shoot away from the pain. And then when you look
Speaker 1: at possibilities and Okay, when I'm going towards is more possibility,
Speaker 1: there are more things that can happen. There's going to
Speaker 1: be more n No, And that's for sure. Yeah, I mean,
Speaker 1: isn't the pain. It's interesting because if we're not shooting
Speaker 1: away from pain, we seem to be shooting towards pleasures.
Speaker 1: So there's that duality piece, and it's like our life
Speaker 1: kind of dances between the two, and they both can
Speaker 1: be very addictive, very much. Absolutely, How do how do
Speaker 1: we how do we hang out? How does the how
Speaker 1: does the liminal space become addictive? That's what I want
Speaker 1: to know. Wow, I think that is an amazing question.
Speaker 1: That means not that we want an addiction, but like,
Speaker 1: how does that I guess, I guess how does how
Speaker 1: does that become our drive? Our driver? Yeah, you know,
Speaker 1: it's really interesting. I'm wondering if so. I'm just getting
Speaker 1: a picture in my mind of like if we're used
Speaker 1: to it something driving us in kind of a linear
Speaker 1: direction or forward in some way, or even you know,
Speaker 1: like on a past, present and future kind of timeline thing.
Speaker 1: And if you think about how you know, the unconscious
Speaker 1: mind or even the soul has really has access to
Speaker 1: a sense of timelessness and other dimensions, you know, then
Speaker 1: maybe liminal space being a draw fiver is to expansion,
Speaker 1: not going forward in the same way. But it's that
Speaker 1: is the new more is is growth, this sort of
Speaker 1: expansiveness and access to other dimensions and the mysticism that
Speaker 1: can come in in that sense, and there's so much
Speaker 1: to discover in that realm of mysticism and um spirituality.
Speaker 1: That was like a big aha moment for me because
Speaker 1: I know, because it's it's cool too if I think
Speaker 1: about going back to the soul and then wanting to
Speaker 1: be it also it wants to experience, and so I
Speaker 1: think the driver. Then once the driver becomes the soul,
Speaker 1: then that liminal space becomes comfortable, more comfortable, I won't
Speaker 1: say comfortable, but more comfortable. Yeah, I think so. And
Speaker 1: it's it's great for us to talk about it. I
Speaker 1: almost see this spaceship. But you know, like it's it's
Speaker 1: it can go many directions as fast as we want,
Speaker 1: and it's you know, and it can go a little
Speaker 1: distance or it can go a huge distance, just like
Speaker 1: a leap can be a little a little toe dip,
Speaker 1: or it can be a straight up, you know, big
Speaker 1: old dive in off a cliff. You know, it can
Speaker 1: be all kinds of different things. But if you know,
Speaker 1: as we as we expand and we're less like attached
Speaker 1: to going away from pain or going towards measured accomplishment,
Speaker 1: then then we can kind of be in this almost
Speaker 1: like a hovercraft that is still moving forward, but it's
Speaker 1: a it's a hovercraft, and that if our soul says, hey,
Speaker 1: I want to go to this dimension, I want that experience,
Speaker 1: the hovercraft goes. You know, it's sort of there's just
Speaker 1: so much, so much more capacity for movements, so much
Speaker 1: more capacity for growth, for exploration into what has yet
Speaker 1: to be defined. Yeah, that's fun. It's so fun. Thanks
Speaker 1: for coming on here and talking to Thank you. Oh.
Speaker 1: I feel like we just like a toe in the water.
Speaker 1: It's always fun. Yes, there's so much. I always ask questions. Oh, yeah,
Speaker 1: thank you. I am. I always ask my guests about
Speaker 1: their favorite songs and their music. So I, um, I
Speaker 1: would love to hear your Holy five, My Holy five?
Speaker 1: I love that. Yeah. Is it something that's been Are
Speaker 1: these things that have been lighting you up your whole life?
Speaker 1: Are the things that have been lighting you up recently?
Speaker 1: A mix of the two? Probably a mix of the two.
Speaker 1: Now I I had them all captured. I guess, I
Speaker 1: guess they're in my phone, but I'll remember that funny. Okay, Yes,
Speaker 1: Now you know I'm a bit of a child of
Speaker 1: the seventies and I love me it's a lot of
Speaker 1: base on R and B, so I try not to
Speaker 1: have them all the r Andy. I love it. That's
Speaker 1: actually I didn't know that about you. I know, I
Speaker 1: thought she's interesting to see. This is why I asked
Speaker 1: people about music. So interesting, I don't. So let's stay
Speaker 1: together al Green on my favorite songs, let's you web Um,
Speaker 1: dance to the music Sly in the family Stone. Oh yeah,
Speaker 1: you really? I love it. That's awesome. Um. And then
Speaker 1: there's this this artist that I discovered when I was
Speaker 1: choreographing and skating, and I actually skated to this piece
Speaker 1: a couple of times because I just love the way
Speaker 1: that she interprets the song. It's Some in China Evening
Speaker 1: by Jane Oliver Lovely. Don't know if you've ever heard
Speaker 1: her voice and the way that she interprets it's it's
Speaker 1: pretty magical. Anyway, it was a time in my life
Speaker 1: when it was very impactful. The way that she sings.
Speaker 1: I think she had like one album check her out. Yeah.
Speaker 1: And then Moloswavasito by Molo, which is because she sounds sexy,
Speaker 1: it's very I used to do a lot of Latin dance.
Speaker 1: I used to do so and Flamenco. I studied Flamenco
Speaker 1: for a while, which is super fun. Oh that's awesome.
Speaker 1: And then probably the most current one is perm Bruno Mars. Oh,
Speaker 1: I love him. He's great, right, show you what you
Speaker 1: get to do? Matter of fact, yeah he is. He's
Speaker 1: so talented and so joyful. Exactly, you have some joyful music.
Speaker 1: I do. I like it. Do you share what your
Speaker 1: top five are? I've shared, so I've broken mine down.
Speaker 1: I've yet to I need to do that soon. I've
Speaker 1: I've broken mine down into feelings because I know there's
Speaker 1: so many of them that I um that I we
Speaker 1: started with the sad music originally because um and I
Speaker 1: shared those five and those because sad music seems to
Speaker 1: be my place to go to feel Um, I just
Speaker 1: love sad songs. There's so many great stories and sad songs.
Speaker 1: So I um, I'm you know what's really been interesting,
Speaker 1: I've been I have a joyous list now, like I've
Speaker 1: like a joyful and I haven't had that before. Um,
Speaker 1: and that's been something that's only been really cultivated over
Speaker 1: the last few months. So who cultivated the joy list?
Speaker 1: Which which parts of you or was Well, that's a
Speaker 1: good question. I don't know, maybe it is, maybe I
Speaker 1: think it. Maybe I think maybe Leanne. Yeah, I think
Speaker 1: maybe Leanne. I think there's definitely a piece of me
Speaker 1: that is wanting to step more into that joy and
Speaker 1: so and of course it's coming through first, I think
Speaker 1: through music. Yeah, so there's a lot of freedom on
Speaker 1: that list of there's a lot of songs about freedom,
Speaker 1: and I I think that that's what that Maybe that's
Speaker 1: my soul. Maybe that's maybe she's looking to cultivate a
Speaker 1: lot more joy. Wonder, yes, she she appreciates freedom and
Speaker 1: vastness and possibility and openness. And yeah, when one thing
Speaker 1: I just want to touch on because we just said
Speaker 1: that was the we talked about Leanne and Leeann rhymes
Speaker 1: like wanting to have a lot of safety and security.
Speaker 1: And you asked me, that's exactly what you asked me.
Speaker 1: You asked me, what is my soul want? And it
Speaker 1: wants it wants change, it wants freedom. And so I
Speaker 1: think ultimately there in lies all of our biggest internal battle.
Speaker 1: If I could boil it down to anything, I think
Speaker 1: that's something we all completely share, agreed. And I think
Speaker 1: that that is a really great question to kind of
Speaker 1: tie in quickly to what you know your listeners can
Speaker 1: take away, which is just when you think about it,
Speaker 1: what does my soul want to tell me right now?
Speaker 1: What does my soul want in general? What does my
Speaker 1: soul want for today? You just keep asking the question.
Speaker 1: Eventually it will continue to come online. I like it.
Speaker 1: I like it. Thank you to You're so welcomely and
Speaker 1: thank you, honey. I love this. Great to connect, great
Speaker 1: to chat about these things that that expands our minds
Speaker 1: and our hearts together. Yeah, I appreciate it. Yay, and that,
Speaker 1: my friends, brings this very special episode and season of
Speaker 1: Holy Human to an end. Thank you for joining me
Speaker 1: on this journey for a third season. We have had
Speaker 1: such a beautiful season and I am so grateful for
Speaker 1: all of you for joining me and learning alongside of me.
Speaker 1: I want to thank Katie for joining me today and
Speaker 1: I hope you enjoyed our time together as much as
Speaker 1: I have. Please let me know your thoughts by leaving
Speaker 1: them in the comments wherever you're listening, and please share
Speaker 1: this episode with anyone who could use a little more
Speaker 1: self love, acceptance, and awareness in their lives too. I'll
Speaker 1: be back very soon with our next season of holy Human,
Speaker 1: and I look forward to continuing to grow together and
Speaker 1: to exploring all the pieces of what makes us more
Speaker 1: holy human. Until then, my loves, be kind to yourselves,
Speaker 1: be kind to one another, take care of each other,
Speaker 1: and I love you guys. Holy Human with Me Leanne
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