1 00:00:00,440 --> 00:00:04,680 Speaker 1: Hmm. Was America's first female serial killer just the victim 2 00:00:04,720 --> 00:00:09,680 Speaker 1: of fake news. I'm Patty Steele, executed thanks to public opinion. 3 00:00:10,119 --> 00:00:17,920 Speaker 1: Next on the backstory, We're back with the backstory. Well, 4 00:00:17,960 --> 00:00:21,040 Speaker 1: we're all experts on fake news these days, right, But 5 00:00:21,440 --> 00:00:24,480 Speaker 1: that's really been a thing from the time news was invented. 6 00:00:24,840 --> 00:00:28,160 Speaker 1: It's called marketing. Somebody has an agenda, and there's nothing 7 00:00:28,200 --> 00:00:31,320 Speaker 1: better than mass media to get your point across, even 8 00:00:31,320 --> 00:00:34,600 Speaker 1: if it's a crock of well, you know, victims of 9 00:00:34,640 --> 00:00:38,360 Speaker 1: fake news have included everybody from Julius Caesar to Marie 10 00:00:38,360 --> 00:00:42,120 Speaker 1: Antoinette to pretty much every US president on both sides 11 00:00:42,120 --> 00:00:44,760 Speaker 1: of the aisle. And then there are people who are 12 00:00:44,840 --> 00:00:48,640 Speaker 1: falsely accused of crimes who pay the price, only to 13 00:00:48,680 --> 00:00:52,400 Speaker 1: be found not guilty, sometimes years and years after the fact. 14 00:00:52,479 --> 00:00:56,040 Speaker 1: That's where the Innocence Project gets involved. Now here's a 15 00:00:56,120 --> 00:00:58,520 Speaker 1: story somewhere in the middle, has a lot of shades 16 00:00:58,520 --> 00:01:01,480 Speaker 1: of gray in it. Journey takes us to the early 17 00:01:01,600 --> 00:01:07,120 Speaker 1: nineteenth century to Charleston, South Carolina, Lavinia. Fisher and her 18 00:01:07,160 --> 00:01:11,399 Speaker 1: husband John are accused of highway robbery, a crime punishable 19 00:01:11,440 --> 00:01:14,880 Speaker 1: by death at that time, but she was also suspected 20 00:01:15,160 --> 00:01:18,840 Speaker 1: of being America's first female serial killer. She and her 21 00:01:18,920 --> 00:01:21,840 Speaker 1: husband were hung. But were they simply victims of an 22 00:01:21,920 --> 00:01:26,640 Speaker 1: anxious press, hearsay, or even a flawed justice system. The 23 00:01:26,760 --> 00:01:30,760 Speaker 1: year is eighteen twenty. Charleston was a powerful city, a 24 00:01:30,840 --> 00:01:33,640 Speaker 1: hub of commerce, second only to New York City at 25 00:01:33,640 --> 00:01:37,720 Speaker 1: that time. Lavinia Fisher was a gorgeous young woman twenty 26 00:01:37,760 --> 00:01:41,000 Speaker 1: six years old, who, along with her husband, John Fisher, 27 00:01:41,280 --> 00:01:45,080 Speaker 1: ran the six Mile Wayfarer House, an inn for travelers 28 00:01:45,280 --> 00:01:49,400 Speaker 1: located just outside Charleston. But there's a problem in this 29 00:01:49,600 --> 00:01:54,040 Speaker 1: comfortable inn. Some crazy stuff is happening. Legend has it 30 00:01:54,240 --> 00:01:58,080 Speaker 1: Lavinia was also a cold blooded killer. There was talk 31 00:01:58,160 --> 00:02:01,120 Speaker 1: that she would charm the guests, talk to them about 32 00:02:01,160 --> 00:02:06,320 Speaker 1: their travels and gather information about their possessions. Night would fall, 33 00:02:06,720 --> 00:02:09,799 Speaker 1: she'd continue to chat with them and then serve them 34 00:02:09,840 --> 00:02:14,400 Speaker 1: some warm tea before bed, But that tea was laced 35 00:02:14,400 --> 00:02:17,240 Speaker 1: with an herb that would send them into a very 36 00:02:17,320 --> 00:02:22,079 Speaker 1: deep sleep. Gossip had it that the traveler, now fast asleep, 37 00:02:22,400 --> 00:02:24,640 Speaker 1: would be laid on a bed that, with the pull 38 00:02:24,680 --> 00:02:27,639 Speaker 1: of a lever, would open a trap door and drop 39 00:02:27,680 --> 00:02:31,320 Speaker 1: the body into a pit, maybe one lined with spikes. 40 00:02:31,360 --> 00:02:34,800 Speaker 1: To finish the job. One person at the Fisher's trial 41 00:02:34,960 --> 00:02:38,080 Speaker 1: testified that she had offered him some tea, but he 42 00:02:38,160 --> 00:02:40,919 Speaker 1: wasn't a fan of tea. Not wanting to seem rude, 43 00:02:40,960 --> 00:02:43,080 Speaker 1: he took it, but he dumped it out when she 44 00:02:43,200 --> 00:02:45,960 Speaker 1: wasn't looking. He said he was nervous about her and 45 00:02:46,000 --> 00:02:48,920 Speaker 1: her husband and decided to sit all night in a 46 00:02:49,040 --> 00:02:52,080 Speaker 1: chair propped against the door of his room rather than 47 00:02:52,120 --> 00:02:55,239 Speaker 1: get into bed. Then in the middle of the night, 48 00:02:55,639 --> 00:02:58,600 Speaker 1: he said he heard a loud crash and he watched 49 00:02:58,639 --> 00:03:02,400 Speaker 1: his bed fall through the floor. But here's the question, 50 00:03:02,760 --> 00:03:05,960 Speaker 1: how much of this is true. Historical records show that 51 00:03:06,040 --> 00:03:10,400 Speaker 1: Lavinia and John Fisher were arrested, but actually not for murder. 52 00:03:10,480 --> 00:03:14,079 Speaker 1: They were snagged on charges of highway robbery, which in fairness, 53 00:03:14,120 --> 00:03:17,480 Speaker 1: again was a serious crime in those days, often ending 54 00:03:17,520 --> 00:03:22,440 Speaker 1: in execution, and nobodies were ever found, nor were any 55 00:03:22,480 --> 00:03:26,440 Speaker 1: tunnels underneath the bedrooms found while they were locked up. 56 00:03:26,800 --> 00:03:30,919 Speaker 1: Gossip about the Fisher's crimes grew morphing into a crazy 57 00:03:30,960 --> 00:03:34,720 Speaker 1: story of robbery and serial killings. Now, the problem is 58 00:03:34,960 --> 00:03:38,760 Speaker 1: the trial that followed was less about factual evidence and 59 00:03:38,880 --> 00:03:42,000 Speaker 1: more about the kind of theater of public outrage and 60 00:03:42,080 --> 00:03:45,040 Speaker 1: fear kind of reminds you of the Salem witch trials. Right, 61 00:03:45,600 --> 00:03:49,080 Speaker 1: once the gossip grew loud enough, everybody wanted their pound 62 00:03:49,120 --> 00:03:53,040 Speaker 1: of flesh. Anyway, that's likely what happened to Lavinia and 63 00:03:53,080 --> 00:03:56,640 Speaker 1: her husband bad press. But were they bad folks, Oh 64 00:03:56,680 --> 00:04:00,880 Speaker 1: you bet they were? Were they killers? Probably not. Records 65 00:04:00,880 --> 00:04:04,240 Speaker 1: from the trial are pretty nonexistent, and again no bodies 66 00:04:04,280 --> 00:04:09,040 Speaker 1: were found at the six mile wayfarer house or many tunnels. Ultimately, 67 00:04:09,240 --> 00:04:12,160 Speaker 1: they were found guilty of highway robbery. After a very 68 00:04:12,280 --> 00:04:17,200 Speaker 1: fast and tumultuous trial. There was an appeal, but no surprise, 69 00:04:17,480 --> 00:04:23,640 Speaker 1: Lavinia and John Fisher were finally sentenced to hang. So 70 00:04:23,880 --> 00:04:27,839 Speaker 1: why was Lavinia Fisher remembered as a serial killer. Most 71 00:04:27,880 --> 00:04:31,240 Speaker 1: historians think she was absolutely a criminal, but likely not 72 00:04:31,320 --> 00:04:34,760 Speaker 1: a killer. You see, forensic information in the early nineteenth 73 00:04:34,800 --> 00:04:38,440 Speaker 1: century was very different from what we have today. And 74 00:04:38,520 --> 00:04:41,800 Speaker 1: as far as the news goes, we have instant access now. 75 00:04:42,080 --> 00:04:45,039 Speaker 1: Back then you really only had two options for taking 76 00:04:45,080 --> 00:04:49,040 Speaker 1: in the news print like newspapers and pamphlets. And after that, 77 00:04:49,200 --> 00:04:53,040 Speaker 1: word of mouth gossip was huge. And let's not be 78 00:04:53,160 --> 00:04:56,200 Speaker 1: too judgy. Today we may have a million different sources 79 00:04:56,240 --> 00:04:58,960 Speaker 1: of information, but did you ever stop to think how 80 00:04:59,000 --> 00:05:02,560 Speaker 1: many of those stories feed off the same source. The 81 00:05:02,560 --> 00:05:06,039 Speaker 1: problem is, just like today, stories could get blown way 82 00:05:06,080 --> 00:05:09,880 Speaker 1: out of proportion, and again, just like today, public opinion 83 00:05:09,960 --> 00:05:13,760 Speaker 1: could sometimes sway the justice system and the outcome of trials. 84 00:05:14,400 --> 00:05:17,920 Speaker 1: So what's Lavinia's real story? Well, we do know she 85 00:05:18,000 --> 00:05:20,919 Speaker 1: was a member of a big gang of highwaymen outlaws 86 00:05:21,200 --> 00:05:25,720 Speaker 1: who terrorized the area with targeted robberies. Apparently, the six 87 00:05:25,800 --> 00:05:28,640 Speaker 1: Mile House that's the inn owned by Lavinia and her 88 00:05:28,680 --> 00:05:32,719 Speaker 1: husband was a notorious hangout for outlaws in the Charleston area, 89 00:05:33,240 --> 00:05:37,840 Speaker 1: and the couple definitely targeted travelers for robbery. Funny enough, 90 00:05:37,920 --> 00:05:40,400 Speaker 1: Lavinia and John Fisher thought they were going to get 91 00:05:40,440 --> 00:05:43,440 Speaker 1: out of this mess right up until the end. Housed 92 00:05:43,440 --> 00:05:47,560 Speaker 1: in the same tiny cell they plotted and escape late 93 00:05:47,600 --> 00:05:51,280 Speaker 1: one night using bed sheets tied together, John slipped out 94 00:05:51,279 --> 00:05:53,880 Speaker 1: of the window in their cell and made it most 95 00:05:53,920 --> 00:05:56,719 Speaker 1: of the way down to ground level until the sheets 96 00:05:56,760 --> 00:06:01,240 Speaker 1: tour trapping Lavinia above us to leave without her and 97 00:06:01,400 --> 00:06:05,800 Speaker 1: was caught. After that, they were held more securely. Eventually, 98 00:06:06,000 --> 00:06:10,000 Speaker 1: John found god, Lavinia not so much. She still thought 99 00:06:10,040 --> 00:06:12,479 Speaker 1: she'd find a way out as they headed to the 100 00:06:12,520 --> 00:06:16,520 Speaker 1: gallows with a crowd of two thousand watching the festivities, 101 00:06:17,000 --> 00:06:20,400 Speaker 1: John begged for mercy. He told people he was not guilty, 102 00:06:20,440 --> 00:06:23,120 Speaker 1: that they were making a mistake. He had a reverend 103 00:06:23,200 --> 00:06:25,400 Speaker 1: read a letter to the crowd in which he said 104 00:06:25,400 --> 00:06:27,640 Speaker 1: he was a Christian and simply the victim of a 105 00:06:27,680 --> 00:06:31,960 Speaker 1: flawed justice system, although he then sort of contradicted himself 106 00:06:32,000 --> 00:06:35,919 Speaker 1: by asking for forgiveness for what he'd done. As for Lavinia, 107 00:06:36,040 --> 00:06:40,080 Speaker 1: she stayed coldly composed, but in her final moments, as 108 00:06:40,120 --> 00:06:43,560 Speaker 1: the noose was slipped around her neck, her last words 109 00:06:43,760 --> 00:06:46,800 Speaker 1: were kind of scary. She said, if you have a 110 00:06:46,880 --> 00:06:50,040 Speaker 1: message for the devil, tell me now, for I shall 111 00:06:50,080 --> 00:07:01,280 Speaker 1: be seeing him shortly. I'm Patty's Tear. The Backstories a 112 00:07:01,360 --> 00:07:05,560 Speaker 1: production of iHeartMedia, Premiere Networks, the Elvis Duran Group, and 113 00:07:05,600 --> 00:07:09,520 Speaker 1: Steel Trap Productions. Our producer is Doug Fraser. Our writer 114 00:07:09,800 --> 00:07:13,360 Speaker 1: Jake Kushner. 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